Uh-Oh: George Will's Toupee Glue is Seeping Into His Brain Again [Dan Cleary]
Hate when that happens!Apologies in advance for posting seven minutes of mind-numbing Sunday talk show cacophony. There's really no excuse for this. The relevant nonsense kicks in around the 3:30 mark if you'd rather skip ahead. You see, Sarah Palin has been very naughty. She didn't complete the homework assignment George Will gave her two years ago. All she had to do was go back to Alaska to "study" (study what? Shaved-ice menus? Her golf swing? Brackets?), finish out her term as Governor, and avoid "distinctly non-presidential venues" like the Dancing With the Stars studio. Can she at least throw her hat in the ring first, George? I'm sure at that point she'll have plenty of appearances scheduled for more serious Presidential venues like The View, The Daily Show, or the radio show Ryan Seacrest is rumored to have. 27CDB6E-AE6D-11cf-96B8-444553540000" codebase="http://download.macromedia.com/pub/shockwave/cabs/flash/swflash.cab#version=9,0,124,0" width="344" height="278" id="ABCESNWID"> Via Breitbart. Cross-posted.
1 The problem started when he decided to turn pro. The Professional Pomous Ass League said there was no way they could field competition for a PPA of his caliber.
Posted by: Hussein the Plumber at November 22, 2010 10:49 PM (r1h5M)
2 Piffle, George.
Posted by: eman at November 22, 2010 10:50 PM (CbwqF)
Posted by: elspeth at November 22, 2010 10:50 PM (rLQ+e)
4 You can't hit her fastball, George.
Posted by: eman at November 22, 2010 10:51 PM (CbwqF)
5 But American Idol is presidential?
Posted by: Tattoo De Plane at November 22, 2010 10:53 PM (mHQ7T)
6 Another post about that .... woman? ..!!
Help us, O Huckabee! You are our only hope!
Posted by: Please Pass The Grey Poupon - Pearl Necklace Division at November 22, 2010 10:53 PM (HjPtV)
7 Blabbity blah, blah blabbity bloo.
I gave up on Sunday morning leftist-and-elitist shows years ago.
Posted by: LibertarianJim at November 22, 2010 10:53 PM (86FvD)
8 We've got pompous, self-loving, intellectual-fetishists on our side, too.
Posted by: nickless© at November 22, 2010 10:56 PM (MMC8r)
9 My favorite elitist giveaway word is crass.
Posted by: eman at November 22, 2010 10:56 PM (CbwqF)
10 Elitism trumps ideology.
Posted by: eman at November 22, 2010 10:57 PM (CbwqF)
11 I've heard this shit about Palin before. She has all theright conservative ideas, 10 years of municipal experience, a record of fighting corruption, lowering or eliminating taxes, standing up to big oil, supporting the military. But we shouldn't vote for her because she shot skeet on cable and has a personal, informal speaking style.
The right can't band behind Palin, Jindal says he won't run, Christie and Romney are RINOS, Ron Paul and Huckebee are off their rockers. Should I just congratulate the left now on Obama's re-election?
Posted by: CrustyB at November 22, 2010 10:57 PM (qzgbP)
12 I remember the way the GOP elite treated Reagan in 1976 and 1980.
The same shit is happening now with Palin.
It is not hard to see through the bullshit.
Posted by: eman at November 22, 2010 11:06 PM (CbwqF)
13 While I would 100% be behind Palin for obvious reasons, she didn't withstand the media spotlight well enough the first time around. She is a lot more polished right now and she obviously now realizes how badly the leftist media (along with the GOP elitists) are out to get her, but expecting her to win the presidency would be a tall order.
Someone new to the national scene or a name that isn't being talked about much yet would be a winning formula. Mike Pence and Rick Perry are the only people I can think of that I think can win over the country. Huckabee and Romney would be complete disasters, even if they were to defeat Hopenchange.
Posted by: nohammernosickl at November 22, 2010 11:06 PM (Z/zYN)
14 Summon the trolls!
Posted by: logprof at November 22, 2010 11:09 PM (BP6Z1)
15 Whaddya expect from a Cub's fan?
Posted by: John P. Squibob at November 22, 2010 11:13 PM (/U/Mr)
16 Someone new to the national scene or a name that isn't being talked about much yet would be a winning formula.
Like Palin was? There is no formula at this point. In 2008, Barry was just about unbeatable. Who in that field could have taken him?
In 2012, barring Amnesty or even more zany Democrat voting shenanigans, he'll be eminently beatable. As long as we don't run lib lite (or plain old lib) against him, ffs.
Posted by: The Mega Indepedent at November 22, 2010 11:16 PM (5I0Yr)
17 here we go.......
Posted by: phoenixgirl at November 22, 2010 11:16 PM (eOXTH)
18 Christie and Romney are RINOS,
Wait......2 years ago the bastions of conservative talk were telling us that Mitt Romney was the true conservative. Remember, Rush endorsed him, as did Sean "Great American" Hannity, Laura Ingraham and Mark Levin (who, I understand, knows the next Reagan when he sees that person).
Are you telling me they were wrong?
Posted by: Mallamutt at November 22, 2010 11:19 PM (OWjjx)
19 I also suggested to stop wearing those low-class blue jeans.
I just do not understand how this trollop believes she will ever get anywhere in this town, ignoring my advice...
Posted by: George "Prissypants" Will at November 22, 2010 11:19 PM (EW49d)
20 "Sunday talk show cacophony."
They are paid to be Journalist, but I don't think those peoplehave a clue.
Posted by: TotalBS at November 22, 2010 11:23 PM (CyPWX)
21 George Won't.
Posted by: gus at November 22, 2010 11:24 PM (C02p4)
I like Daniels. He's fiscally conservative, direct, while being boring. I could use boring for a few years. We haven't had anyone from the Midwest as president since Eisenhower and Truman.
Posted by: fapo at November 22, 2010 11:26 PM (TcaE8)
23 That darned George Will! Always talking hot air.
It's about time somebody told his bloviating ass off for elitism.
Go Fred go! Err, Sarah! I meant Sarah!
Posted by: Lolcano at November 22, 2010 11:28 PM (qE9Su)
24 I think Mike Pence says a lot of the right things, but I'm not exactly sure. Every time I've heard him speak, he has been so damned dour that, after about a minute, I have this nearly unbearable urge to stick a fork in my eye.
Posted by: texette at November 22, 2010 11:32 PM (OWL33)
25 She's so...working class...
Posted by: AmishDude at November 22, 2010 11:34 PM (BvBKY)
26 Christie and Romney are RINOS,
Wait......2 years ago the bastions of conservative talk were telling us that Mitt Romney was the true conservative. Remember, Rush endorsed him, as did Sean "Great American" Hannity, Laura Ingraham and Mark Levin (who, I understand, knows the next Reagan when he sees that person).
Are you telling me they were wrong?
Posted by: Mallamutt
Romney = RomneyCare = ObamaCare. Christie is good at yelling at teachers and he's a fiscal conservative wizkid but he's anti-gun and weak on illegal immigration. I too had high hopes for bothbut they disappointed the shit out of me.
Posted by: CrustyB at November 22, 2010 11:34 PM (qzgbP)
27 RE: 2012. First, I am inclined to dismiss anyone from the 2008 campaign. No Romney, Huckabee, Tancredo, Hunter, Guilliani, Thompson, McCain or Alan Keyes (well, technically, Alan ran as a Republican.....he was there at the PBS Iowa debate....which was probably when America first realized that Alan Keyes was running for President....or, more accurately, that anyone took it seriously that Alan Keyes was running for President).
So, that would leave you who: the aforementioned Danies, Pence, Pawlenty, Barbour, Palin (well, technically, she was part of the 2008 campaign, but I always think VP candidates should get a bit of a pass - its not really your campaign....its the other guys campaign).
And yea, sorry Newt, but your expiration date went stale along time ago.
Did I forgot anybody and, who do ya like?
Posted by: Mallamutt at November 22, 2010 11:35 PM (OWjjx)
"Wait......2 years ago the bastions of conservative talk were telling us that Mitt Romney was the true conservative. Remember, Rush endorsed him, as did Sean "Great American" Hannity, Laura Ingraham and Mark Levin (who, I understand, knows the next Reagan when he sees that person).Are you telling me they were wrong?"
I don't think that's true. If I remember correctly, Rush didn't endorse anyone, and Levin was solidly behind Fred Thompson. The only guy I remember being deep up Romney's ass was Hugh Hewitt.
Posted by: Kensington at November 22, 2010 11:38 PM (mEyVv)
29 Here's a point: Romney and Huckabee couldn't beat the guy who couldn't beat Obama in 2008. Newt didn't even try.
Posted by: richard mcenroe at November 22, 2010 11:38 PM (Gj9v8)
30 And Hewitt, for the longest time and fooling no one, pretended that he wasn't necessarily backing Romney!
Posted by: Kensington at November 22, 2010 11:39 PM (mEyVv)
31 Did I forgot anybody and, who do ya like?
Anybody who advocates a Republican because they can defeat a Democrat is not your friend.
Partisanship is the one thing upon which Ace of Spades and DailyKos can agree--the other side is a bunch of dangerous assholes.
This is how they make hay while the sun shines.
Who has actual ideas, rather than political enemies to defeat?
Running against a man is easy. Running for an idea is hard. And therefore more worthy of your attention.
Posted by: Lolcano at November 22, 2010 11:44 PM (qE9Su)
32 I don't think that's true. If I remember correctly, Rush didn't endorse anyone, and Levin was solidly behind Fred Thompson. The only guy I remember being deep up Romney's ass was Hugh Hewitt.
Nope - right before Super Tuesday Limbaugh hit the airwaves endorsing Romney and proclaiming that he "rarely" endorsed anyone but that it was necessary. Ingraham introduced Romney at CPAC as the "true conservative candidate for President". Levin turned after Thompson flamed out. Sean Hannity jumped into the Romney tank about 6 seconds after Rush told him it was o.k. to do so.
Of course, Limbaugh has probably flushed that little bit of history down the old memory hole - don't look for it in the archives.
Posted by: Mallamutt at November 22, 2010 11:48 PM (OWjjx)
33 Laura Ingraham backed Mitt. But, you could hear the sadness and resignation in her voice.
Sort of like a mercy fuck.
Posted by: Hudson at November 22, 2010 11:51 PM (CbwqF)
34 Bloody sock.
Posted by: eman at November 22, 2010 11:53 PM (CbwqF)
35 Romney may be one of those guys who is a solid conservative in every wayexcept one. Like your drinking buddy who's a regular guy except he wears black socks with shorts. But inRomney's case that one way he's notOKtakesup 1/6 of the US economy.
I really liked Fred Thompson early on. Had the full checklist of Reagan conservative positions, spoke impressively. But then he made that "real people don't care about debates" comment on Leno,which effectively alienated better than half the voting population. He followed that up by takinga nap during the debates and showed that he was another Obama, a schlub who was no good once he went off the script.
I really wish Jindal would consider running. We'll be lucky to survivefour years of President Pee Wee, we'll never recover from eight.
Posted by: CrustyB at November 22, 2010 11:57 PM (qzgbP)
36 I can't help it. Mother made me practice the cello in a sailor's suit.
Posted by: George Will at November 23, 2010 12:00 AM (vbh31)
37 Malamutt @27:
Yes, you sure did miss somebody!
Posted by: WestForWestWing2012 at November 23, 2010 12:01 AM (yJlU8)
38 Palin/West 2012
Posted by: eman at November 23, 2010 12:01 AM (CbwqF)
39 The members of the roundtable - other than Will - typically babble on and on without making much of a compelling case. George Will can generally cut through their nonsense with a single sentence.
Posted by: crankyoldman at November 23, 2010 12:07 AM (tBrQI)
40 George Won't.
Posted by: gus at November 22, 2010 11:24 PM
Posted by: arhooley, conflicted Californian at November 23, 2010 12:08 AM (mdxTy)
41 Wait 'til George finds out Palin is a Moronette.
Posted by: eman at November 23, 2010 12:13 AM (CbwqF)
42 eman @38:
2016 is too damn late. We need Allen West ASAP. He's got 22 years of executive experience, for crying out loud, got it the same way Dwight Eisenhower did: in the U.S. Army. He's ready to walk into the Oval Office TOMORROW, no further experience necessary.
I like Sarah a lot-- but we are AT WAR with radical Islamists, we've got a Neville Chamberlain in the White House right now, and God has blessed us, in Allen West, with a once-in-a-lifetime leader, a Winston Churchill. For goodness' sake, get him into the White House in 2012--The nation may not survive until 2016 otherwise!
Andrew Breitbart knows:
Posted by: WestForWestWing2012 at November 23, 2010 12:18 AM (yJlU8)
43 I love Sarah. I think she saved McCain from complete embarrassment. I think her convention speech was the best speech of the whole campaign. I have even come to believe her reason for resigning as governor (to save the state from fake-ethics-probe paralysis).
But I agree with George Will. She would have made herself a much more viable candidate for the presidency if she had finished her term of office and had done some other thing to bolster her credibility--taught a course at the U of Alaska (and used the time to bone up on some issues), or done a world tour for the Chamber of Commerce, or become chairman of the board of something like the Red Cross.
And enough with the Reagan comparisons. As much as I hate to say it, Peggy Noonan was right about that: Reagan was the president of an AFL-CIO union, the two-term governor of the most populous state in the Union, a masterful communicator, and a battle-seasoned veteran of Republican politics.
If, however, Sarah is simply forging a new path as a Facebooking, reality-show celebritican and is simply keeping the presidential bid alive to keep her visibility high, I say more power to her. And, of course, I will pull the lever for her if she's the only chance of beating BO, but I would not support her in the primaries.
Posted by: Second-String Commenter at November 23, 2010 12:23 AM (s3dMx)
I can live with switching them, but Palin won't go for that.
If Palin/West 2012 can't save the Republic, it can't be saved at all.
Posted by: eman at November 23, 2010 12:24 AM (CbwqF)
45 I really liked Fred Thompson early on. Had the full checklist of Reagan conservative positions, spoke impressively.
And that is why you failed /Yoda.
Fred thought an Authentic Hollywood Actor was enough to claim the Reagan Mantle; Romney thought good hair would warrant his claim to the Reagan Throne.
None of them got it. Reagan was a hopeless maverick (in the good sense), with few bona fides to warrant his accession as a conservative scion. He succeeded when most failed, because he believed; he believed when it didn't earn him anything, when it worked against his interests.
This is why the Ace of Spades Formula is ridiculous; it is not the battle, it is the War. Whilst any thinking conservative can argue the value of the Reagan years, they cannot argue the larger picture. Reagan stood, astride the given wisdom of the elites, against the horrors of collectivism. He said, against the prevailing wisdom, "your assumptions are wrong," and made his case.
1980 is not 2012. Reagan fought the KGB; do we face such in 2012? Al Qaeda is many things, but the Soviet KGB of the '60s and '70s it is not. Grow, expand; your childish fears are irrelevant.
Stop living in the murky past. We didn't fight WWII on a WWI basis; nor a Vietnam on a WWII basis. War is a poor indicator of political realities; the realities, today, come fast and furious on timescales inconceivable a dozen years ago.
Good stuff. I give the over/under ratio at 90% calling me a faggot, and 10% calling me a shill.
Luckily, I'll be right; and the dipshits wrong. Ace will shill for whoever bears the Republican tag; DKos will shill for the other guy.
And the commenters here? Totally whatever, am I cool? I think I'll fit in. So I support Whatever Fit In.
Posted by: Lolcano at November 23, 2010 12:26 AM (qE9Su)
Don't agree with your second paragraph, but at least it was reasonable and sounded sincere. A far better thing than most Palin criticisms.
If Palin enters the race, I say may the best sweater puppies win.
Posted by: eman at November 23, 2010 12:27 AM (CbwqF)
47 West for West wing. Neville Chamberlain love his country, but he was a complete fuck up. A naive fool.
Barack Obama is a Marxist. And he is emotionally stunted. He doesn't love his country and he has no skills at all. NONE.
So a Re-tread. The flawed but EFFFFFFFFFING GREAT MAN Winston Churchill came on board and saved Chamberlain from the gallows. My Grandad was Crippled fighting for Montgomery in Egypt.
We need an AMERICA LOVING AMERICAN now. Obama is garbage.The more I hear, the more I realize JINDAL is our man.
Posted by: gus at November 23, 2010 12:27 AM (C02p4)
48 btw. I'd vote for Palin in an instant. She has great judgement.
Posted by: gus at November 23, 2010 12:28 AM (C02p4)
49 Don't agree with your second paragraph, but at least it was reasonable
and sounded sincere. A far better thing than most Palin criticisms.
It's not even a criticism, really. Believe me, I hate the Palin-haters with a passion you cannot imagine. I'm just trying to be objective and give an honest assessment of what would have been her best course of action if she really wants to be president.
Posted by: Second-String Commenter at November 23, 2010 12:34 AM (s3dMx)
50 46 eman. I agree with you completely. If we fall into the trap of Palin hasn't paid her dues in one facet or another, we are back peddling. Obama never paid dues to anything in his life. He's a fraud with ZERO record. Obama not only quit his U.S.Senate job, but NEVER SERVED his term at all.
I understand the bullshit and flack that Palin will endure. And I understand it will be more vicious that ANYTHING we've ever seen before. I will not argue her viability on LIBTARD terms. And there are a couple reasons why.One. LIBTARDS don't play by ANY RULES. So I don't recognize ANY ARGUMENT a LIBTARD makes at all. I don't debate with people who are not honest.
Two. Sarah Palin is correct almost ALL of the time. Let's deal with the ISSUES and the IDEA'S. From our own Conservative perspective.
And by "our own Conservative perspectives", I mean that I am not now, nor have I ever been... a Republican. I will NEVER vote for a LIBTARD DEMOTARD ever ever ever again, but I do not respect the Republican party, until it stops being LIBTARD LIGHT.
Posted by: gus at November 23, 2010 12:35 AM (C02p4)
51 If we fall into the trap of Palin hasn't paid her dues in one facet or
another, we are back peddling. Obama never paid dues to anything in
his life. He's a fraud with ZERO record. Obama not only quit his U.S.Senate job, but NEVER SERVED his term at all.
I'm not sure I follow you. Do we want someone like Obama who has not paid his or her dues--or not?
Posted by: Second-String Commenter at November 23, 2010 12:39 AM (s3dMx)
52 Second String. I like your comments and attitude. I do have a minor point of disagreement. It seems to me, that your assessment of Sarah Palin is based on an assumption that Palin needs to appeal to group or groups that are not on our side.
WE! Need to frame the debate. WE!! Need to take this country back by TRULY BELIEVING in the type of things that Palin does.
Palin does not bullshit or beat around the bush. A la Chris Christie.
Personally, I think Sarah Palin has a very very high dose of self-esteem. But she is RIGHT nearly all of the time.But I will acknowledge that she seems to like herself.
Posted by: gus at November 23, 2010 12:39 AM (C02p4)
53 There is no STANDARD of DUES. Competence, values, character and judgement my friend.
My comment vis a vis Obama not paying dues was to point out that OBAMA HAS NO TRACK RECORD AT ALL-AND WAS ELECTED.
Why should a TRACK RECORD and a STANDARD created by someone who wants Palin to lose be considered.
The question is. Is SARAH PALIN of the caliber person that is capable to lead. And YES is the answer.
The bullshit will fly.Palin is qualified, capable and honest. She is honorable, bright and intelligent.
Look at who OBAMA picked for his CZARS and CABINET. MARXIST and LIBTARD ideologues.
Second string. Are party hacks, re-treads, ideologues and syccophants the people you would hire to make this country run well??
Obama has ZERO JUDGEMENT. Palinhas clearly better intent and judgement.
Posted by: gus at November 23, 2010 12:44 AM (C02p4)
54 Gus, I don't think I would disagree with Sarah on any issue. But in this center-right country, she's got to appeal not just to the right but to the center as well. I think one effective way to do that would have been to continue to build an admirable record of public service. I think she had a great base to work from--her executive experience made Obama look laughable--but I think her public career since last summer has not helped her in that regard.
Posted by: Second-String Commenter at November 23, 2010 12:46 AM (s3dMx)
55 Never understood why people give such credence to the Sunday morning talk shows. Who, outside of political junkies in Washington and New York, ever watches those things?
Posted by: Book Geek at November 23, 2010 12:50 AM (1+OO5)
56 53 you forgot to add she has awesome legs
imagine a palin/obama debate, she would destroy him
Posted by: navycopjoe kicking blackops ass at November 23, 2010 12:51 AM (S9k9+)
57 Second string. Do you honestly believe that Sarah Palin could have served the last 2 years of her term in Alaska and in doing so, it would have garnered her ANYTHING more???
The resigning bit is a canard. The HIT MACHINE is out there. It's not a reason that would change a YES toa NO with a reasonable person.
As I said, the HIT MACHINE is out there, as NEVER BEFORE.
We know more about Sarah Palin than we know about the MARXIST drug abusing, Marxist freak, who........................ACTUALLY IS PRESIDENT.
I think where you and I disagree is in my philosophy of saying FUCK THEM, I'm on offense.
But I appreciate your intelligent conversation.
Posted by: gus at November 23, 2010 12:51 AM (C02p4)
58 I will say that George Will has gotten squishy on the social issues since his very messy divorce.
If a conservative is a liberal who got mugged by reality, then perhaps a liberal is a conservative who got caught cheating and whose stuff ended up on the front lawn.
Posted by: Second-String Commenter at November 23, 2010 12:53 AM (s3dMx)
59 Hi Navycop. Yes she does and nice breastesses too. And she if pretty. That drives the L'tards crazy. I knew of her long long before McCain picked her. I am not a Palin-ite. But I think she is very very good. I think Romney is the most qualified BY FAR. But I don't completely trust his policy judgement. I try not to let THEM decide whom I should pick.
I think Bobby Jindal is a FANTASTIC man. I live Chris Christie a good deal, and I like Marco Rubio. But I think PAUL RYAN is FANTASTIC.
And I know him!!
Posted by: gus at November 23, 2010 12:54 AM (C02p4)
60 Had she staid as governor, she would have been broke and her state would have ground to a halt, she wouldn't have been able to strike the blows against Obamacare, the GZ Mosque, quantitative easing, or many of the candidates she
did support and win.
Posted by: justin cord at November 23, 2010 12:56 AM (O20xS)
61 I think she had a great base to work from--her executive experience made Obama look laughable--but I think her public career since last summer has not helped her in that regard.
Posted by: Second-String Commenter
Disagree. "Death Panels" awakened a sleeping public. You don't have to hold office to serve the Public and the Nation. Since July 2009, as a private citizen, she has lead the charge against Ebola, the MFM, GOP Farts, and the Dems.
Your formula for her is not very compelling. Sorry.
Posted by: eman at November 23, 2010 12:56 AM (CbwqF)
62 RON JOHNSON U.S SENATOR WISCONSIN (R)
Posted by: gus at November 23, 2010 01:01 AM (C02p4)
63 Do you honestly believe that Sarah Palin could have
served the last 2 years of her term in Alaska and in doing so, it would
have garnered her ANYTHING more???
Maybe I'm wrong, but I do think that. I think there are a lot of middle-of-the-road, common-sense folks who could have been persuaded thus: despite all the liberal attacks, she's obviously not a lunatic because she properly worked her way up the political ladder: city council, mayor, energy commissioner, governor. She served honorably in all those roles and completed her terms without major scandal. That counts for a lot. (Also important are the facts that she has been a small business owner and that her son serves in the military.) Those are all facts that are not true about the current president. I think they go a long way to making her agreeable to those nonpolitical folks in the center--certainly in comparison with the alien in the White House now.
Obviously, a lot of that remains true, but the last two years have seen her squander some of that political capital and potential good will.
But what do I know? She could be president in two years. In that case, I would be happy to have been wrong.
Posted by: Second-String Commenter at November 23, 2010 01:04 AM (s3dMx)
64 Second string. Thank you. I love your spirit and your intellect and your willingness to trade HONEST IDEA'S.
You're pretty cool.
Posted by: gus at November 23, 2010 01:05 AM (C02p4)
Disagree. "Death Panels" awakened a sleeping public. You don't have to
hold office to serve the Public and the Nation. Since July 2009, as a
private citizen, she has lead the charge against Ebola, the MFM, GOP
Farts, and the Dems.
Fair enough. She may be Obi-Wan Kenobi. The liberal media struck her down, but she became even more powerful that they could imagine.
But notice: Obi-Wan didn't destroy either Death Star or defeat Darth Vader in single combat.
Maybe she'll be around to whisper to Romney (or Daniels or Jindal or someone else): "Use the Force."
Posted by: Second-String Commenter at November 23, 2010 01:08 AM (s3dMx)
66 64 Second string. Thank you. I love your spirit and your intellect and your willingness to trade HONEST IDEA'S.
You're pretty cool.
Thanks--I like your passion. But let's not get all mushy here. Are moron allowed to hug?
Posted by: Second-String Commenter at November 23, 2010 01:10 AM (s3dMx)
67 BTW...Second string. I love baseball. Guitars and baseball are passions of mine lifelong. I've always said to peeps who were speculating or postulating on MANAGERS getting fired or not. "I don't root for the MANAGER".
My position on Palin, or Jindal or any other Conservative/Republican isn't based on FANDOM. It's about who is ABLE, who is INTELLIGENT, who has JUDGEMENT and who has CHARACTER.
I want the BEST person to lead this nation. LIBTARD/DEM policies are all designed to GIVE TO THE DEAD BEATS.
Their policies aren't to HELP PEOPLE. Their policies are to BUY VOTES via HAND OUTS.
I want a leader or leaders who REALLY WANT TO FIX the problems we have and who CAN and WILL make HONEST DECISIONS in the best interest of OUR COUNTRY.
Liberals need not apply.
Posted by: gus at November 23, 2010 01:11 AM (C02p4)
68 Second string. I work for TSA. YOU WILL HUG ME, or I will PAT YOU DOWN.
Cue the music. Journey. LOVING TOUCHING SQUEEZING.
Posted by: gus at November 23, 2010 01:12 AM (C02p4)
69 Maybe she'll be around to whisper to Romney (or Daniels or Jindal or someone else): "Use the Force."
Yeah, and when Obi Palin whispers it to Mittens, he immediately sticks his finger out to see which way the wind is blowing and gets sucked into the vacuum.
I'm so tired of this idea that Palin should be somebody else's kingmaker. None of them deserve her, least of all that huge phony Romney.
Posted by: Kensington at November 23, 2010 01:14 AM (mEyVv)
70 Kensington. Romney is UBER qualified. BIG TIME.
Unfortunately his PRINCIPLES are SITUATIONAL to a certain degree.
I am sincere. Romney is probably the best MAN..hehehehehe. or PERSON.
But Romney is too slick. And that being said. I like the guys abilities.
Posted by: gus at November 23, 2010 01:16 AM (C02p4)
71 Gus, since we're plucking each other's ticks here, I will agree and say that the Obama regime has brought into crystal-clear relief the corrupt nature of the American left, the rent-seeking, the vote-buying, the pay-offs to Big Labor, the third-worldism, the nanny-statism, etc., etc.
It gives me a bit of pause that the American people in 2008 could not see what was so clear to those with eyes to see.
Perhaps, though, Obama's audacity has set back his cause for another couple of decades.
Going to bed. Good night and good luck.
Posted by: Second-String Commenter at November 23, 2010 01:17 AM (s3dMx)
72 Second string. Obama's temerity. His AUDACITY is unparalleled.
Obama can shit onyour shoes, then tell you that your shoes stink. And the Kenyan dimwit believes what he says. This pathetic prick has NEVER been told to grow the fuck up and be self-sufficient.
Obama is a CON MAN. His Mommy the whore and his 2 Commie Muzztard Daddies all DUMPED HIM by the time OPIE was 10 years old.
"PAGING DOCTOR FREUD. DOCTOR FREUD TO THE DUNHAM HOUSE in HONOLULU.......STAT".
Problem is. Opie the Kenyan dimwit is PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES!!!
It's as if the President of the United States is FANTASIA from AMERICAN IDOL.
We (they) ELECTED A COMPLETE FUCK UP.
Posted by: gus at November 23, 2010 01:23 AM (C02p4)
73 Jindal, Rubio, Ryan---sure, they're all great---But none of them understand our enemy the way Allen West does. And when the nation is at war, we need someone who understands the enemy--and is not afraid to speak its name.
"The problem is not a perversion of Islam. The problem is Islam."
"They [the terrorists] are doing exactly what this book [Qur'an] says."
Have you ever heard any of the above people say anything like this?
Nope, those words were spoken by Allen West.
Like Winston Churchill when everyone else was pooh-poohing the Nazis, Allen West has the chutzpah to name the enemy.
And like Churchill, he knows we're in for a lot of blood, sweat and tears, and he's not going to sugar-coat it for us.
And finally, like Churchill, he is NEVER going to give up.
Posted by: WestForWestWing2012 at November 23, 2010 01:43 AM (yJlU8)
74 I know I'm being a nit picky bitch, but the headline of this post sounds like it came from a whining firedoglake minion.
Posted by: Topsecretk9 at November 23, 2010 02:00 AM (8x3SC)
75 I like George Will. I like his baseball writing. I like his political writing. I don't even mind his denunciation of blue jeans.
I like Sarah Palin. I voted for her when she was at the bottom of the ticket. I'd vote for her at the top of the ticket. I don't even mind that she resigned midway through her first term.
That said, I think Will is right. I don't think Sarah Palin is electable, and I certainly don't buy this "any Republican can win in '12" idea. We couldn't even beat Barney Goddamn Frank or Harry Motherfucking Reid in a wave election year. It's going to take a solid candidate to beat Barack Obama.
Just wait until you see the forces marshaled in the interest of keeping Obama in the Oval Office. The corruption and fraud will boggle the mind. Harry Reid's inexplicable come-from-behind victory was just a warm-up.
Also, all the racist, myopic blacks who made a special effort to vote in one of their own aren't going to meekly sit at home while Whitey shows the first black president the door. They may not have turned out to save Russ Feingold and Blanche Lincoln's jobs, but they won't be on the sidelines in 2012.
The bulk of the American electorate aren't informed partisans. Most of them either vote for a particular candidate or against another. Plenty of Republicans were voting against Obama rather than for McCain. We saw a lot of that in the recent midterms, too.
Even if all those dope-smoking collegiate numbskulls and ignorant social parasites who voted for "change" the first time around aren't sufficiently aroused to re-elect Obama, you can bet your ass that they'll show up in droves to deny Sarah Palin the presidency. After all, she's, you know, stupid and stuff; Jon Stewart said so.
Just my take....
Posted by: Lurk Ness Monster at November 23, 2010 03:54 AM (XVrGT)
76 76. Pretty much agree except the baseball worship and the POTUS is still an electoral contest, at least for most Red states.
I think Blues burn Ogabe'sdemocratic vote advantage at an astonishing rate. Take the republic of the insane, aka Left coast, and that other coast. Effin mindless cesspools.
Posted by: gary gulrud at November 23, 2010 04:39 AM (/g2vP)
77 TV Show Idea: Sarah Palin's 'The Walking Dead.' Sarah wanders through Washington plugging Zombie Democrats with her crossbow.
Posted by: Gregory of Yardale at November 23, 2010 06:03 AM (YPivX)
78 "Apologies in advance for posting seven minutes of mind-numbing Sunday talk show cacophony."
I didn't know those relics still ran, so no apologies needed. I don't watch 'em like I don't take a hammer and pound my skull. You can't convince me to start now - even a snippet's worth.
Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at November 23, 2010 06:19 AM (swuwV)
79 I'm with second string. Was excited about the pick in '08 and fully bought in. But her relentless pursuit of publicity and the school girl tweeting and facebooking just rubs me the wrong way.
But maybe more pragmatically the quitting deal turns me off. I know the excuses for dropping the governorship, but I doubt she'd have had much trouble raising a defense fund with her loyal following. I want a fighter, not a quitter.
Posted by: Pepper at November 23, 2010 07:36 AM (gs3Z8)
80 All she had to do was go back to Alaska to "study" (study what? Shaved ice menus? Her golf swing? Brackets?)
How about Hayek? Friedman? Locke? Just a crash course, say, about a year's worth of National Review.
She's going to get the quiz-show treatment from every interviewer. Not fair, but that's the way it is. Next time she's asked what books and magazines she reads, I'd like to see her do more than freeze.
That said, she's a canny woman, and probably realizes better than we do that committed, knowledgeable political junkies like us make up about 15% of the voters. So the celebrity reality-show route might be the future of politics, God help us.
Posted by: schizuki at November 23, 2010 07:58 AM (M+lbD)
81 The Torysauruses will not go gently into the night.
Posted by: Ken at November 23, 2010 08:09 AM (fFh95)
82 What an asshole. Hope he watches the show and sees what a condescending prick he is.
Posted by: Moemo at November 23, 2010 08:25 AM (jYoCE)
83 Will not the primary season take her out if she is such a flawed candidate?
Iím just asking, folks, and I am deadly serious.
If she can make the case for her vision of America, and she can rack up the victories early on, what does that say about her would be voters? Are they just Palinistas who are idol-struck and non-thinking?
Everyone seems to forget that the primary process isnít just a couple of weeks of intense ad campaigns and then ZAP, off to the voting booth. There are going to be debates, dozens of them. Interviews with the various local medias will be held by all contenders. There will be local campaign headquarters and precincts all over the fruited plains filled with loyal volunteers doing all that they can to see that their candidate comes out on top in their respective states.
Palin will not be able to win by hiding out on Facebook, Twitter, Fox News, or any of the friendlier talk shows. She is going to have to move beyond her base and tackle those souls who donít pay attention to politics to the same degree as those of us on Free Republic, Hot Air, Ace of Spades, Red State, and all the rest of the blogs. And if she were to WIN those voters, what speaks louder, the fact that she can capture such votes or that the rest of the GOP voters in that state were not sufficiently motivated enough to vote for anyone else?
The candidate Palin becomes after emerging from the primary process (assuming she enters and wins) wonít be the same Palin that everyone is talking about in this thread. She will be a battle hardened, well versed, b@lls-to-the-wall competitor who wonít be a wallflower in the fall campaign season.
Lest we all forget, it was about this time in 2006 when we all thought that the 2008 Presidential run was going to be a New York affair between Rudy and Hillary. My, that seemed like an ice age ago.
Clinton was tough, but she never got the anal exam that Palin got.
So before we all start dismissing that ďCaribou BarbieĒ as being a) unintelligent, b) unqualified, and c) unelectable, remind yourselves as to what they were saying about Reagan back in 1978.
I should know. I was there to watch it all unfold, and they were far worse on him than even on Bush-43.
For my money, I will entertain no such talk about how Palin canít win, so she must be stopped before she even decides to run. That kind of thinking is for half-hearted Conservatives who donít dare recall the stakes involved, and how this country canít handle another four years of Obama. If we are going to correct the mistakes of the current administration, we donít need a wimp, but a warrior who has already been baptized by the fire of unrelenting assault by just about everything in the universe.
Chris Christie has already declared that he isnít running.
That only leaves Sarah Louise Palin. If she throws her hat in the ring and wins it all during the primary season, it will be through the sweat of her efforts, and the hard work of the people who will walk through fire on her behalf.
All (who calls themselves conservatives) that elects to sit at home or vote for Obama in November 2012 rather than pull the lever for Palin are, in my mind, misguided and short-sighted. The nation has already seen what happens when statists are given unchecked power at both ends of the Mall in D.C. To allow it to happen again is tantamount to abandoning the political battlefield so close to victory because you have issues with the person leading the charge.
It is not just a matter of Obama vs Palin, Left vs Right, Statist vs Conservative, but that of the US as fading light going the way of Europe, or the US as the bright beacon of light being the last, best chance of hope of Western Civilization in the new millennium.
If 2010 is considered to be the most crucial mid-term election in history, 2012 is going to be remembered as the most critical election in our lifetimes. For the sake of our progeny, I hope we all get it right, lest the future historians talk about this period of the world in Mandarin Chinese or some other tongue.
Palin is no goddess, nor perfect. But she is a patriot, deserving of the same chance to run for the highest office in the land if that is what she chooses. Letís see what happens, and let history attend to itself.
Posted by: Anamnesis at November 23, 2010 08:38 AM (Zc4A4)
84 Yeah, that is a bad toupee. Howard Kurtz 's sucks just as bad.
What's with these guys? They are rich, on television, and they can's spring for a better rug?
Posted by: Moi at November 23, 2010 08:44 AM (Ez4Ql)
85 Back on the stupid electability issue I see. "Electability" = MFM face time at this stage of the process. It is pure name recognition. So I'll repeat the post from yesterday for you "electability" mavins:
How about this for all you "electability" people: The current "choice candidates" according to the latest Gallop polls are:
1. Tired old flip flop retread RINO Mitt at 19%
2. Palin the hated unelectable scrunt at 16%
3. Huck the liberal religious *uck at 16%
4. None at 14%
5. Eye of couch sitting Newt at 13%
There is your current top 5 in "electability". By pushing the "electability" issue you are actually promoting Palin's run in 2012. Following these polls at different times this year Palin and Romney top every poll and switch places back and forth.
Posted by: Vic at November 23, 2010 08:48 AM (e4sSD)
86 Yeah, she embodies the Reagan's Morning In America.
Posted by: Moi at November 23, 2010 08:48 AM (Ez4Ql)
87 Just a crash course, say, about a year's worth of National Review.Why yes of course-Sarah Palin's problem is she did not join The VIPParty of Stupid filled with the '30% highly educated whites'Cult of Buckley raising their hands to MANDATING Mitt Romney's Mass-Healthcare-disaster much less idol-worshippingMitt Romney's protection ofAlgorical Climate Change Fraud.
The rise of Obama's Progressive Democrat Party is prove positive that the Cult of Buckley-since the 1950's-has successfully stood athwart history yelling stop.
Posted by: Susan at November 23, 2010 08:54 AM (T04K9)
88 I'm sure at that point she'll have plenty of appearances scheduled for more serious Presidential venues like The View, The Daily Show, or the radio show Ryan Seacrest is rumored to have.
Exactly. We make fun of Obama for being a celebrity president (and in 2008, a celebrity candidate). But now we excuse Palin for the same stuff? Seriously?
She just announced she won't even talk to left leaning journalists. "But she'll stand up to the Chinese as president!!!!!1!!"
Posted by: doug at November 23, 2010 08:56 AM (iq/yq)
89 Just look who's at the table with George. With that much stupid in the air how could you not catch some? George needs to be hauled out to fly-over country and have an intervention. Poor George.
Posted by: Hoper for Change at November 23, 2010 09:11 AM (EhYdw)
90 We make fun of Obama for being a celebrity president
Obama is made fun of because he is a Harvard-Inbred-Useful-Idiot; Harvard,that Ivy Tower sustained by Wahabbist funding.
She just announced she won't even talk to left leaning journalists.
Sweetie; just because Katie Couric makes as much as Keith Olbermann, do not think for one moment that either can be considered journalists.
(dude, eats some Viagra tohelp stiffenyour upper lip-you are too easy)
Posted by: Susan at November 23, 2010 09:12 AM (T04K9)
91 Katie Couric being told talk to the hand is exactly what Palin and everybody else should do.
How the flying fuck do you equate do that with not being able to deal with China?
Posted by: eman at November 23, 2010 09:23 AM (CbwqF)
92 Will not the primary season take her out if she is such a flawed candidate?
Two words - Christine O'Donnell.
Two more words - John McCain.
Posted by: schizuki at November 23, 2010 09:27 AM (M+lbD)
93 I suspect there is more to the "avoid MFM" story than what we are hearing. I suspect that Palin finally took our "advice" and told them that their interviews would either be broadcast live unedited or that she would have final approval over any edits. And of course the MFM refused that because it would be open admission that they edited the interviews to make her look bad.
Note that this is also the strategy that Rand Paul and Sharon Angle adopted. All conservatives need to adopt that policy. Either make them show these interviews honestly or don't do them at all.
Posted by: Vic at November 23, 2010 09:28 AM (e4sSD)
94 The rise of Obama's Progressive Democrat Party is prove positive that
the Cult of Buckley-since the 1950's-has successfully stood athwart
history yelling stop.
Yes, Susan, you're quite right. Without the dead weight of Buckley and NR, the conservative movement would have flowered and spread like some kind of wildly spreading flowers.
Jesus effin' Christ.
Posted by: schizuki at November 23, 2010 09:30 AM (M+lbD)
95 What's with these guys? They are rich, on television, and they can's spring for a better rug?
Posted by: Moi at November 23, 2010 08:44 AM (Ez4Ql)
Yeah, they should invest in some great hair transplant surgery.
Posted by: Chuckie Schumer at November 23, 2010 09:53 AM (BP6Z1)
96 How the flying fuck do you equate do that with not being able to deal with China?
I don't. I would consider sitting down with China a bit more difficult than fielding gotcha's from Katie Couric.
Look, I voted for McCain for one reason. And one reason alone: Sarah Palin. It has been two years now and I'm not alone in having become slowly disenchanted with her as a presidential candidate.
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Posted by: skechers shape ups at November 23, 2010 10:15 AM (y29SW)
98 I'm with George.
Our Sara is ready to be a media figure, a celebrity politician, and an conservative identity-politics maven (the GOP equivalent of Obama, in fact), but she wasn't ready to be a serious, sober President and nothing she's done lately has altered that.
Good for Will.
Posted by: Emperor of Icecream at November 23, 2010 10:26 AM (epBek)
99 I remember the way the GOP elite treated Reagan in 1976 and 1980. The same shit is happening now with Palin. It is not hard to see through the bullshit.
Palin is no Reagan.His record of accomplishment in 76 and in 80 is night and day to what she's got. Also--and I'm not saying Palin is dumb, she's a smart cookie--but listening to Reagan's speeches and commentary and comparing it to Palin's output, its clear that he has a level of engagement with conservative ideas that she has yet to match.
Conservatives need to get over the mob mentality that if the media dislike them, and the GOP elites dislike them, then they must be the candidate for us. We shouldn't let those folks negatively choose our candidate for us.
Posted by: Emperor of Icecream at November 23, 2010 10:32 AM (epBek)
100 Look, if Sarah is the candidate, I will happily vote for her and encourage others to do the same. But her g-droppin' Mama-grizzly-protectin'-her-cubs folksiness, and her dimwitted fame-whore daughter, annoy the shit out of me. So how does it play with non-ideologically-committed independents?
Would just a dash of intellectual gravitas kill her? She's a smart woman. She could educate herself very easily.
Posted by: schizuki at November 23, 2010 10:36 AM (M+lbD)
101 I fully await that accusations of the Palin-bots that I must be secretly manlusting after Romney (ugh), Huckabee (double ugh), or Giuliani (ugh), or even Gingrich (don't make me laugh).
Yes, I agree, despite their many fine qualities, they make lousy candidates for President. So?
Posted by: Emperor of Icecream at November 23, 2010 10:36 AM (epBek)
I don't care about her folksy affect--the best politicians have style and substance, and genuine folksiness usually wins more votes than it loses--though I admit that her daughters drive me up the wall. What I do care about is that the substance underneath the style isn't all there, or at least isn't proven.
The left has this cult of the credentialed expert that Obama rode to the White House. Its the false idea that credentials andtalking like an intellectualmake up for lack of experience, real intellectual ability,deep learning, and competence and leadership qualities. The right has the cult of the common man, the idea that talking folksy and unpretentious and being from flyover country makes up for a lack of experience, real intellectual ability,deep learning, etc.
Both are crap.
Posted by: Emperor of Icecream at November 23, 2010 10:42 AM (epBek)
winning the primary does little to prove that Will is wrong about Palin or that she would make a good President.
Remember when the Obamabots argued that Obama's successful campaign proved what a good President he'd be? Yeah, not so much.
Posted by: Emperor of Icecream at November 23, 2010 10:44 AM (epBek)
104 Mike Pence and Rick Perry are the only people I can think of that I think can win over the country.
Don't know about Pence. He might be the right guy, but his downside is that he would be running from the obscurity of the House, plus he will have made lots and lots of tough votes during his time there that his opponents will demagogue. But if he were the only alternative to Palin, Romney, Huck, and Giuliani, he'd get my primary support.
Rick Perry would be a total disaster. He's George Bush-lite, he's not very bright or principled, he's into cronyism, and he is in one of the weakest governorships in America, with a conservative-friendly legislature and no real initiatives during his tenure. This guy is bad news, stay away, America.
I think its really too early at this point to pick a candidate, but I could go for a Daniels, maybe. I'm not excited by him, and I'm not thrilled with his social conservative sell-out, but boring is good, a proven record of budget-cutting accomplishment is good, and Jay Cost says that the Midwest may be the swing region in the upcoming election. Who else, dunno--Barbour?
Posted by: Emperor of Icecream at November 23, 2010 10:53 AM (epBek)
105 My take on this is that acquiring G. Will's disapproval to run for president is a positive sign that she may the correct candidate for conservatives, as opposed to "conservatives", i.e., Frum, Kraut, Parker, Noonan, National Rove/Romney (formerly Review), Brookes, Ace, etc.
By the by - consider that Will is suggesting that she should not even run for the presidency. So much for George's long time past admirations for the ugly process of democracy. Now apparently us conservative barbarians should just poll the smart people. Maybe the primary should consist of candidates approved by the "conservative" faction (elitist, you know, the really, really smart people) and just leave those (embarrassing) conservatives out of it.
Great post Anamnesis (08:38 AM) - Ace is an idiot and jerklike but many of the posters here are pretty interesting.
Posted by: phaedrus at November 23, 2010 10:57 AM (dj4F+)
106 Nope - right before Super Tuesday Limbaugh hit the airwaves endorsing Romney and proclaiming that he "rarely" endorsed anyone but that it was necessary. . . . Levin turned after Thompson flamed out. Sean Hannity jumped into the Romney tank about 6 seconds after Rush told him it was o.k. to do so.
Of course, Limbaugh has probably flushed that little bit of history down the old memory hole - don't look for it in the archives.
Yeah, because at that point Romney was the only alternative to McCain. Compared to McCain, Romney was the true conservative and was the right guy for conservatives to get behind.
You can blame Rush for not endorsing Palin whoasn't even a candidate if you want; stupidity is your right.
Posted by: Emperor of Icecream at November 23, 2010 10:58 AM (epBek)
107 43, Second String,
love Sarah. I think she saved McCain from complete embarrassment. I think her convention speech was the best speech of the whole campaign.
I agree with this and the rest of your points.
Posted by: Emperor of Icecream at November 23, 2010 11:00 AM (epBek)
I agree that as far as sheer executive ability, experience, and qualifications go, Romney is the shit. I also agree that his principles are, erm, just a little too elastic.
But he's got another knock on him--he's a bad campaigner. Campaigning and governing are two different skills, but if you can't campaign, you may not get the chance to govern.
Posted by: Emperor of Icecream at November 23, 2010 11:05 AM (epBek)
109 My take on this is that acquiring G. Will's disapproval to run for president is a positive sign that she may the correct candidate for conservatives
God help us.
Posted by: Emperor of Icecream at November 23, 2010 11:11 AM (epBek)
110 Palin didn't get the memo that real conservatives don't read NR
Posted by: Emperor of Icecream at November 23, 2010 11:15 AM (epBek)
111 Stuff you didn't know about George Will:
1. His hair is real.
2. He's about 6'4" tall.
Posted by: J. Moses Browning at November 23, 2010 11:52 AM (i5153)
112 1. You see, Sarah Palin has been very naughty. She didn't complete the homework assignment George Will gave her two years ago. All she had to do was go back to Alaska to "study" ... finish out her term as Governor
Had she remained in Alaska the last 2 years they would be slamming her for NOT getting her ass out of the most northern state still in a state of "frontier" and seeing the rest of the nation and its people
2. and avoid "distinctly non-presidential venues" like the Dancing With the Stars studio.
Yeah, go "there". Really, George, step away from the crack pipe.
Posted by: Drillanwr at November 23, 2010 11:58 AM (NcSGp)
113 Had she remained in Alaska the last 2 years they would be slamming her for NOT getting her ass out of the most northern state still in a state of "frontier" and seeing the rest of the nation and its people
Wrong. Your assumption of George Will's bad faith is not proof of his bad faith.
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