Federal Court Blocks Oklahoma Ban on Sharia Law

CAIR took the State of Oklahoma to court late last week after the voters passed a constitutional amendment that would ban state courts from using Sharia law. Today, a federal judge ordered the the state board of elections temporarily not to certify the result of the election.

Oklahoma voters approved the amendment in last week's elections by a 7-3 ratio. But the Council on American-Islamic Relations challenged the measure as a violation of the First Amendment to the U.S. Constitution, and U.S. District Judge Vicki Miles-LaGrange issued a temporary restraining order Monday morning that will keep state election officials from certifying that vote.

"What this amendment is going to do is officially disfavor and condemn the Muslim community as being a threat to Oklahoma," said Muneer Awad, executive director of CAIR's Oklahoma chapter and the lead plaintiff in the suit. In addition, he said, it would invalidate private documents, such as wills, that are written in compliance with Muslim law.

In fact the text of the amendment does no such thing. Here it is:

The Courts ... when exercising their judicial authority, shall uphold and adhere to the law as provided in the United States Constitution, the Oklahoma Constitution, the United States Code, federal regulations promulgated pursuant thereto, established common law, the Oklahoma Statutes and rules promulgated pursuant thereto, and if necessary the law of another state of the United States provided the law of the other state does not include Sharia Law, in making judicial decisions. The courts shall not look to the legal precepts of other nations or cultures. Specifically, the courts shall not consider international or Sharia Law. The provisions of this subsection shall apply to all cases before the respective courts including, but not limited to, cases of first impression.

Didn't see anything about invalidating wills in there. Did you?

Anyway, the amendment is on hold because of the court order until a hearing on Nov. 22, at which time the judge will decide whether or not to block it while the case is pending.

If this whole thing sounds familiar, see California, circa 2008 in regards to Prop 8.

Posted by: Gabriel Malor at 06:27 PM



Comments

1 Seperation of church and state... mumble mumble...

Posted by: The Mumbler at November 08, 2010 06:28 PM (G60Nl)

2 Hick Okies! Separation of church and state doesn't mean Sharia.

Posted by: t-bird at November 08, 2010 06:30 PM (FcR7P)

3 Forget Prop. 8: what about Prop. 187?

Posted by: stuiec at November 08, 2010 06:30 PM (7AOgy)

4 I deny your reality and substitute my own.

Posted by: U.S. District Judge Vicki Miles-LaGrange at November 08, 2010 06:31 PM (UcOiF)

5 The next step: will we be forbidden to abide by the US Constitution?

Posted by: t-bird at November 08, 2010 06:31 PM (FcR7P)

6 If the liberals have their way, we will end up as screwed as Great Britain, where muslims are concerned. Even Bill Maher is apparently concerned about Muslims taking over our culture. And to his credit, he refuses to apologize for it.

Posted by: nerdygirl at November 08, 2010 06:32 PM (1IOMd)

7 Well, a GOP gubernatorially ordered constitutional convention could clear this stuff up. Let's amend the First to specifically exclude Islam.

Posted by: joeindc44 at November 08, 2010 06:32 PM (QxSug)

8 As I said. The only people who'll be happy about this are muslims and all the little adolescent, public educated, libtard fuckwits.

Posted by: Soona at November 08, 2010 06:32 PM (VG51O)

9 Vicki Miles-LaGrange was a federal judge to. Miles-LaGrange was nominated by President William J. Clinton on September 22, 1994

big fuckin surprise there huh?

Posted by: Unclefacts, Summoner of Meteors, Pudding Dipper Extraodinaire at November 08, 2010 06:33 PM (eCAn3)

10 The problem is that they specifically mention Sharia Law in the amendment. I bet if they'd just left that part out, but left in the language about "other nations or cultures" they'd have been fine.

That said, I think they should still be fine regarding 1st Amendment compliance, but if they'd taken that step, CAIR probably wouldn't even have gotten a hearing.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) at November 08, 2010 06:33 PM (8y9MW)

11 The next step: will we be forbidden to abide by the US Constitution?

That sure seems to be the trend in modern jurisprudence.

This is one of the major issues I have with looking to foreign sources for legal reasoning. If, to pick randomly, French law is good, why isn't Sharia? I would hope the reason is obvious but I've seen a dearth of any true discussion as to what principles are used to determine which laws should be imported.


Posted by: alexthechick at November 08, 2010 06:34 PM (bQ5xy)

12 6
If the liberals have their way, we will end up as screwed as Great
Britain, where muslims are concerned. Even Bill Maher is apparently
concerned about Muslims taking over our culture. And to his credit, he
refuses to apologize for it.

Posted by: nerdygirl at November 08, 2010 06:32 PM (1IOMd)

NPR lawyers looking into ways of firing him as we speak.

Posted by: Unclefacts, Summoner of Meteors, Pudding Dipper Extraodinaire at November 08, 2010 06:34 PM (eCAn3)

13 Even Bill Maher is apparently concerned about Muslims taking over our
culture. And to his credit, he refuses to apologize for it.

I'm going with the blind squirrel/stopped clock theory on Maher being right about that.

Posted by: alexthechick at November 08, 2010 06:35 PM (bQ5xy)

14 " ... see California, circa 2008 in regards to Prop 8."

I'm reminded of Iowa, circa 02 Nov 2010, and their votes concerning 3 ISC judges.

I think it's about time we persuaded a particular House committee to start inviting Federal judges to make a trip to DC and explain their decisions, and the logic used.




Posted by: Arbalest at November 08, 2010 06:35 PM (XS/gR)

15 So now it may be forbidden to follow the Constitution and ignore Islamic law. The law of the land may be subverted in exchange for brutal Islamic rules.

But remember: Our loss of freedom will come from Christians who oppose abortion.

Posted by: Benson at November 08, 2010 06:35 PM (qzcNU)

16 I can haz 4 wives please

Posted by: archie bunker at November 08, 2010 06:35 PM (0YS61)

17 It doesn't disfavor Muslims. It disfavors Sharia Law. Muslims are welcome to abide by our laws while in our country.

CAIR = the enemy of America.

Posted by: chuckR at November 08, 2010 06:35 PM (khYRZ)

18 Only in Utah

Posted by: Mittens at November 08, 2010 06:36 PM (0YS61)

19 Holstersuckers.

Posted by: sifty at November 08, 2010 06:36 PM (Pt+4i)

20 Honestly, I have no friggin' idea what the heck they think they're playing at. Catholics can deny themselves all sorts of things that are allowable under U.S. law. What we can't do is use the law to enforce those prohibitions. I can teach my child that using birth control is a sin, but I can't expect the courts to stop her from buying it. Why are Muslims different?


I find myself unable to post much else without drifting into some possibly offensive material.

Posted by: Y-not at November 08, 2010 06:36 PM (UcOiF)

21 CAIR: Muslims aren't trying to bring Sharia to America, but DON'T YOU DARE try to keep it from happening!

Posted by: the peanut gallery at November 08, 2010 06:37 PM (NurK6)

22 The next step: will we be forbidden to abide by the US Constitution?

Well, if you think about it, that particular document really does disenfranchise those who come from cultures with different value systems and norms than our own.
So, yes.

Posted by: Warden at November 08, 2010 06:37 PM (QoR4a)

23 This is liberal judges punishing the people for being conservative.

Posted by: sifty at November 08, 2010 06:38 PM (Pt+4i)

24 @16, 18
It's pretty pathetic that you have to reply to yourself.
Even more pathetic that you reveal your complete ignorance when you do so.

Posted by: Y-not at November 08, 2010 06:39 PM (UcOiF)

25 Vicki Miles-LaGrange was a federal judge to. Miles-LaGrange was nominated by President William J. Clinton on September 22, 1994big fuckin surprise there huh?
Posted by: Unclefacts, Summoner of Meteors, Pudding Dipper Extraodinaire at November 08, 2010 06:33 PM (eCAn3)

According to cooler-than-thou libertarian DMXRoid, voting is pointless cause you're, you know, sanctioning the corrupt system 'n shit.
Better to not vote and ensure that Marxists get to appoint judges who shamelessly subvert the will of the electorate.

Posted by: Warden at November 08, 2010 06:40 PM (QoR4a)

26 We have an all-republican goverment in OK now. So if anything goes awry, they'll fix it, and it will mean the same thing. We won't submit.

Posted by: Soona at November 08, 2010 06:40 PM (VG51O)

27 time to fire the first shots in the war against progressives. Shoot the judge.



[Hmmmm... a death threat from someone who's never posted here? Guess I'll go ahead and post your IP address, champ. 76.188.16.85 Enjoy! -TB]


[By the way, asshole, I'm emailing ace in case he chooses to forward your threat to the FBI. Have a nice day. Hope your effort provided you with some catharsis.]

Posted by: Stephana at November 08, 2010 06:40 PM (530OM)

28 I call shenanigans on 27.

Posted by: sifty at November 08, 2010 06:42 PM (Pt+4i)

29
I find myself unable to post much else without drifting into some possibly offensive material. Posted by: Y-not
Please do! I had gotten the impression that was what this website was created for. I think you can pretty much say anything as long as your rant with "Jai Hind!".

Posted by: sartana at November 08, 2010 06:42 PM (abtaM)

30 Oh I completely agree with Stephana. Let's do that and worse!

Posted by: totally not a moby at November 08, 2010 06:42 PM (t+tqr)

31
I agree with U.S. District Judge Vicki Miles-LaGrange, and to demonstrate my belief in Sharia Laws acceptability in America, Judge LaGrange should be stoned according to the law for dissing the Oklahoma voters.

What's the deal with hyphenated name people? She can't decide whether she's a Miles or a LaGrange?














Posted by: Fish the Impaler at November 08, 2010 06:43 PM (v1gw3)

32 And this is another reason why presidential elections matter. Winners get to pick federal judges, and the decisions made by those judges decades later can have terrible consequences.

Posted by: Boots at November 08, 2010 06:43 PM (neKzn)

33 I think threatening a federal judge or inciting violence against a federal judge is crime.

Posted by: Dr Spank at November 08, 2010 06:43 PM (LLZiU)

34
Number 27 forgot to add "Jai Hind!"

Posted by: sartana at November 08, 2010 06:43 PM (abtaM)

35 Cleanup @27.

Posted by: Al at November 08, 2010 06:43 PM (MzQOZ)

36 Make the judge watch "My Beautiful Laundrette" 10 times.

Posted by: TexasJew at November 08, 2010 06:44 PM (hgrfT)

37 Clean-up on 27

Posted by: Fallen Sparrow at November 08, 2010 06:44 PM (KGBoc)

38 THOSE people often enter into contracts such as pre-nupts that call for private binding arbitration pursuant to sharia law. The courts tend to uphold those private agreements.

I would not allow this practice as a void agreement entered against public policy, and this OK statute is a clear statement of public policy. Further, I would question whether any woman agreeing to such terms had entered into such a blatantly one sided agreement without duress.

Posted by: tommylotto at November 08, 2010 06:44 PM (oHIHU)

39 I'm thinking my idea ofselling woodchippers with hoppers that can accommodate hogs up to 500 lbs might finally be a feasible venture.
Any investers interested in protesting Muslims?

Posted by: ErikW at November 08, 2010 06:44 PM (DU0DR)

40 I can haz 4 wives please?

R U crazy?

Posted by: chuckR at November 08, 2010 06:45 PM (khYRZ)

41 OK... how does the Judge tell a State Official to not certify the election?
Was the Election flawed??? If not, then how does the Judge say to STOP the Constitutional Electoral Process?
Now, if they want to overturn and call the whole thing Unconsittuional? OK... but this is interfering in the Election process, without due process.
And how does this "jive" with the Fed Judges ruling a few years ago, that the 10 Comandments, or JEWISH law, could not even be within Judges Chambers (they made them take them down)... or Sharia OK, 10 Commandments not OK????
Makes ya go... hmmmmm....

Posted by: Romeo13 at November 08, 2010 06:45 PM (AdK6a)

42 Sha-a-a-a-a-ria ba-a-by!

Posted by: Faroukie Valli and the Four Jihadis at November 08, 2010 06:45 PM (7AOgy)

43 21 -- "CAIR: Muslims aren't trying to bring Sharia to America, but DON'T YOU DARE try to keep it from happening!"

full of win!


/what circuit is OK in? does that appellate bench have folks with a lick of sense?

//dreading the answer

Posted by: Buckaroo at November 08, 2010 06:46 PM (cb81S)

44 When people become citizens of the USA, aren't they required to forsake the laws of their former country? When a person is a citizen of the USA, aren't they required to abide by the rules of our country?
Last time I checked, Sharia law wasn't in the Constitution.....

Posted by: Teresa in Fort Worth, TX at November 08, 2010 06:46 PM (5Bfym)

45 Is this judge open for a recall or impeachment at this level?


Posted by: Unclefacts, Summoner of Meteors, Pudding Dipper Extraodinaire at November 08, 2010 06:46 PM (eCAn3)

46
Yes, this is another reason to purge Rinos, as dicks like Mike Castle vote to affirm cunts like Miles-La Grange.

Jai Hind!

Posted by: sartana at November 08, 2010 06:46 PM (abtaM)

47 These federal judges are totally out of control. They are worse than either the Legislative or Executive branches in assuming power that isn't theirs, or delegating power to the other arms of the federal government that isn't theirs. Enough, already. Impeachments of some of these federal judges must be a big priority. ... especially before the Retard-In-Chief nominates another one for the SCOTUS and the Senate GOP cheers him on - "EMPATHY!!"

Posted by: iknowtheleft at November 08, 2010 06:47 PM (G/MYk)

48 "What's the deal with hyphenated name people? She can't decide
whether she's a Miles or a LaGrange?"

They're almost always radical feminists or the spawn of radical feminists.

Posted by: the peanut gallery at November 08, 2010 06:47 PM (NurK6)

49 I think threatening a federal judge or inciting violence against a federal judge is crime.
Posted by: Dr Spank at November 08, 2010 06:43 PM (LLZiU)
Only the kind that the FBI investigates, so hey, it's all good.

Posted by: Faroukie Valli and the Four Jihadis at November 08, 2010 06:47 PM (7AOgy)

50 Posted by: sartana at November 08, 2010 06:42 PM (abtaM)
Go whine some more about gay people, asshole

Posted by: buzzion at November 08, 2010 06:47 PM (oVQFe)

51 OT: Obama greets Klingon Ambassador while touring India
http://tinyurl.com/237cxfe

Posted by: Chairman LMAO at November 08, 2010 06:48 PM (9eDbm)

52 Is this judge open for a recall or impeachment at this level?

Posted by: Unclefacts, Summoner of Meteors, Pudding Dipper Extraodinaire at November 08, 2010 06:46 PM (eCAn3)
All federal judges can be impeached.

Posted by: iknowtheleft at November 08, 2010 06:48 PM (G/MYk)

53 Oh, and a further point... who has been "harmed" by this? Who has standing to sue???
I mean we could not get Obamas Birth Cert and such into Court because no one had standing, as they were not harmed... even though it was a Constitutional question... how can these folks have ALREADY been harmed enough, to get an injuction?

Posted by: Romeo13 at November 08, 2010 06:49 PM (AdK6a)

54 I, for one, welcome our new Muslim overlords. I'm thinking of the money I'll save on fashionable, cute clothes and shoes.

Posted by: Jane D'oh is pissed off at November 08, 2010 06:49 PM (UOM48)

55 But..but COEXIST!

Posted by: some fat-ass wiccan broad on welfare at November 08, 2010 06:50 PM (Pt+4i)

56 OT: Obama greets Klingon Ambassador while touring Indiahttp://tinyurl.com/237cxfe
Posted by: Chairman LMAO at November 08, 2010 06:48 PM (9eDbm)
First, you can't use the K-word here.
Second, that hair looks more like Dr. Lazarus. "By the Sons of Morvan... by Grapthar's Hammer...."

Posted by: Faroukie Valli and the Four Jihadis at November 08, 2010 06:51 PM (7AOgy)

57 It's called the Islamic Republic of Iran for a reason. It is not the Islamic Republic of the United States. For those who wish to practice Islam as a religion, please go to a country designed for your laws.
We have laws, and we don't need foreign laws to rule us. Isn't having a foreigner as our pResident enough?

Posted by: elspeth at November 08, 2010 06:51 PM (Qxm7Y)

58
Buzz Iron- a gushing fountain of butch tolerance.

Dhanyawad!

Posted by: sartana at November 08, 2010 06:51 PM (abtaM)

59 This ruling is a clear example of what has gone wrong with our judicial system. Will of the people is usurped by activist judges. Frickin hate that with a growing passion.

What we need to do is bring up that 3/4 convention thingie and make it so.

Posted by: Two sheets, too much. at November 08, 2010 06:51 PM (Ceb/w)

60
All federal judges can be impeached.


Posted by: iknowtheleft at November 08, 2010 06:48 PM (G/MYk)
With republicans in both House and Senate, we would still have squishes, tweeds, dorks, nerds, butt-kissers, and closet liberals to contend with and they wouldn't want to hurt the judges feelings. You know the touchy-feely thing!

Posted by: Fish the Impaler at November 08, 2010 06:51 PM (v1gw3)

61 Trust me folks. OK will git 'er done.

Posted by: Soona at November 08, 2010 06:51 PM (VG51O)

62 Last time I checked, Sharia law wasn't in the Constitution.....
Posted by: Teresa in Fort Worth, TX at November 08, 2010 06:46 PM (5Bfym)
Oh, it's in there. You just haven't smoked enough dope to see it.

Posted by: ErikW at November 08, 2010 06:51 PM (DU0DR)

63 I guess we should let judges run the country. The people are no longer allowed to vote on proposals and have them upheld.

Posted by: Ken Royall at November 08, 2010 06:51 PM (9zzk+)

64 The koran allows four free wives, you can have as many slave wives as you can afford.

Posted by: John Galt at November 08, 2010 06:52 PM (NLWij)

65 Being the United States is hard!

Let the super-smart judges run everything...

Posted by: TexasJew at November 08, 2010 06:53 PM (hgrfT)

66 Mort Kondrake on Fox is making my temples throb and my ears ring. Am I having a stroke?

Posted by: Jane D'oh is pissed off at November 08, 2010 06:53 PM (UOM48)

67
The koran allows four free wives, you can have as many slave wives as you can afford.


Posted by: John Galt at November 08, 2010 06:52 PM (NLWij)
Well thanks, and in that case I'll borrow Martha MacCallum for a few weeks and return her when she's worn out and stinky!

Posted by: Fish the Impaler at November 08, 2010 06:54 PM (v1gw3)

68 The next AG needs to go full-RICO Act on CAIR.


Posted by: sifty at November 08, 2010 06:54 PM (Pt+4i)

69 66
Mort Kondrake on Fox is making my temples throb and my ears ring. Am I having a stroke?


Posted by: Jane D'oh is pissed off at November 08, 2010 06:53 PM (UOM4
He is the Hawt!

Posted by: TexasJew at November 08, 2010 06:54 PM (hgrfT)

70 Late to the party, but: Are you fucking kidding me? This is an act of sedition, pure and simple. Impeach.

Posted by: Ombudsman at November 08, 2010 06:55 PM (c1oyg)

71 Love the look the Dr. was throwing that idiot Kondrake.

Posted by: Jane D'oh is pissed off at November 08, 2010 06:55 PM (UOM48)

72 This calls for my lame federal judge joke.

What's the difference between God and a federal judge? God doesn't think He's a federal judge.

Thank you, thank you! I'll be here all week, be sure to tip your waitress.

Posted by: alexthechick at November 08, 2010 06:55 PM (bQ5xy)

73 Second, that hair looks more like Dr. Lazarus. "By the Sons of Morvan... by Grapthar's Hammer...."

Please don't make me think of her when i watch one of my favorite movies, let us never speak of this again

Posted by: booger at November 08, 2010 06:55 PM (awinc)

74
All federal judges can be impeached.


Posted by: iknowtheleft at November 08, 2010 06:48 PM (G/MYk)

Just ask me. We don't have rules here, we just make them up as we go.

Posted by: Alcee Hastings at November 08, 2010 06:56 PM (KGBoc)

75 Please don't make me think of her when i watch one of my favorite movies, let us never speak of this again
Posted by: booger at November 08, 2010 06:55 PM (awinc)
Yeah, just look at Sigourney's cleavage and everything will be peachy-keen again.

Posted by: stuiec at November 08, 2010 06:57 PM (7AOgy)

76 Love the look the Dr. was throwing that idiot Kondrake.

Posted by: Jane D'oh is pissed off at November 08, 2010 06:55 PM (UOM4
Dr. K has game of late, doesn't he? Way to bring it, Chas!

Posted by: Ombudsman at November 08, 2010 06:57 PM (c1oyg)

77
The Kraut had the last word, and Mortimer was shut out!

Posted by: Fish the Impaler at November 08, 2010 06:57 PM (v1gw3)

78 Why don't we just buy the judges some more penis pumps to keep them occupied.?

Posted by: TexasJew at November 08, 2010 06:57 PM (hgrfT)

79 To #1, and anyone declaring "separation of church and state".
That amendment has been misconstrued and manipulated to fit a liberal agenda. Want proof?
Search youtube for a "U.S. Capitol Tour with David Barton". Watch the video and you will learn that the first bible printed in English in the U.S. was commissioned by the U.S. Congress for use in our schools.

Posted by: elspeth at November 08, 2010 06:57 PM (Qxm7Y)

80 What the shit is with them bringing up Oklahoma City at the end of the article? What the fuck does that have to do with preventing creeping Sharia?

Posted by: BoB at November 08, 2010 06:58 PM (+c0cJ)

81 Second, that hair looks more like Dr. Lazarus. "By the Sons of Morvan... by Grapthar's Hammer...."

I won't say that stupid line again!

Posted by: Sir Alexander Dane at November 08, 2010 06:58 PM (SwkdU)

82 Yeah, just look at Sigourney's cleavage and everything will be peachy-keen again.

Posted by: stuiec at November 08, 2010 06:57 PM (7AOgy)
Never got the Sigourney thing....

Posted by: Ombudsman at November 08, 2010 06:59 PM (c1oyg)

83 Why does my heart always sink whenever a sentence begins with, "A federal judged ruled that..."?

Posted by: CoolCzech at November 08, 2010 06:59 PM (tJjm/)

84 This is the last paragraph of the CNN article:
Oklahoma City was the site of the worst terrorist attack on U.S. soil before 2001. The 1995 bombing of the state capital's federal building left 168 dead. Timothy McVeigh, a white supremacist anti-government activist and former U.S. soldier, was executed for the attack in 2001.
Got that? It's not Islam we need to fear, it's crazy white guys.

Posted by: rockhead at November 08, 2010 06:59 PM (RykTt)

85 Got that? It's not Islam we need to fear, it's crazy white guys.

Posted by: rockhead at November 08, 2010 06:59 PM (RykTt)
Crazy white MILITARY guys.

Posted by: Tami at November 08, 2010 07:00 PM (VuLos)

86 I won't say that stupid line again!
Posted by: Sir Alexander Dane at November 08, 2010 06:58 PM (SwkdU)
It's a ROCK MONSTER! It doesn't have "motivation"!

Posted by: Jason Nesmith at November 08, 2010 07:00 PM (7AOgy)

87
"What this amendment is going to do is officially disfavor and condemn the Muslim community as being a threat to Oklahoma," said Muneer Awad, executive director of CAIR's Oklahoma chapter and the lead plaintiff in the suit.
Awad stressed that islam is a peaceful religion, and heurgedOklahoma muslims to go out and kill any infidel who said otherwise.

Posted by: Cicero at November 08, 2010 07:01 PM (QKKT0)

88
Hump a married woman, we stone you.
Deal dope, we stone you.
Suck a cock, we stone you.
Watch Megyn Kelly, we stone you.


Posted by: Muslim Stoning Society at November 08, 2010 07:01 PM (v1gw3)

89 85
Got that? It's not Islam we need to fear, it's crazy white guys.

Posted by: rockhead at November 08, 2010 06:59 PM (RykTt)Scariest name: Timothy Mohammed.

Posted by: TexasJew at November 08, 2010 07:02 PM (hgrfT)

90 Does this mean gays get walls pushed on top of them?
Wait til they hear the good news!

Posted by: Warden at November 08, 2010 07:02 PM (QoR4a)

91 Never got the Sigourney thing....
Posted by: Ombudsman at November 08, 2010 06:59 PM (c1oyg)
Say what? Blonde wig, push-up bra, jumpsuit unzipped to reveal push-up bra's contents to maximum effect... what's not to get?

Posted by: Jason Nesmith at November 08, 2010 07:02 PM (7AOgy)

92 Why does my heart always sink whenever a sentence begins with, "A federal judged ruled that..."?

Posted by: CoolCzech at November 08, 2010 06:59 PM (tJjm/)
As a judge friend said to me, "in my courtroom, I AM the law. The law means what I say it means. That's why we have an appellate process."

Posted by: Ombudsman at November 08, 2010 07:02 PM (c1oyg)

93 It's a ROCK MONSTER! It doesn't have "motivation"!

I see you got your shirt off.

Posted by: Sir Alexander Dane was an actor once at November 08, 2010 07:02 PM (SwkdU)

94 88

Hump a married woman, we stone you.
Deal dope, we stone you.
Suck a cock, we stone you.
Watch Megyn Kelly, we stone you.

Posted by: Muslim Stoning Society at November 08, 2010 07:01 PM (v1gw3)

As Bob Dylan said, "Everybody must get stoned..."

Posted by: TexasJew at November 08, 2010 07:03 PM (hgrfT)

95

Go figure. Oklahomans ignoring creeping Sharia in their midst....



Signed,



1994

Posted by: Steven Emerson at November 08, 2010 07:04 PM (5lxPw)

96 Vicki Miles-LaGrange was a federal judge to. Miles-LaGrange was nominated by President William J. Clinton on September 22, 1994


We're starting to see the real damage Clinton did, huh?


Posted by: mpurinTexas (kicking Mexico's ass since 1836) at November 08, 2010 07:04 PM (xMKKV)

97 Miles-LaGrange, received a certificate from the University of Ghana in Accra, Ghana, West Africa in 1973,


According to CIA statistics, the population of Muslims in [Ghana]
stands at 30 per cent of the population, while Christians comprise 34
per cent, and followers of traditional African religion, 38 per cent.


Well, color me surprised...

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at November 08, 2010 07:04 PM (N1lEO)

98

Oklahomistan.

Posted by: Jane D'oh is pissed off at November 08, 2010 07:04 PM (UOM48)

99 Hump a married woman, we stone you.Deal dope, we stone you.Suck a cock, we stone you.Watch Megyn Kelly, we stone you.
Posted by: Muslim Stoning Society at November 08, 2010 07:01 PM (v1gw3)
They'll stone you when you try to hump a chick,They'll stone you if you try to suck a dick,They'll stone you if you show your bare midriff,They'll stone you when you're tokin' on some kif,But I would not feel so all alone --Every kuffar must get stoned!

Posted by: stuiec at November 08, 2010 07:05 PM (7AOgy)

100 Islam is intrinsically incompatible with America. Islam is by nature theocratic.

Islam and Western democracy. There can be only one. The other will be destroyed. I'll choose Freedom over Submission.

Posted by: huh at November 08, 2010 07:05 PM (QcFbt)

101

Snarkn



Sock: off

Posted by: Vincent Vega at November 08, 2010 07:05 PM (5lxPw)

102 92 Why does my heart always sink whenever a sentence begins with, "A federal judged ruled that..."?
Posted by: CoolCzech at November 08, 2010 06:59 PM (tJjm/)
As a judge friend said to me, "in my courtroom, I AM the law. The law means what I say it means. That's why we have an appellate process."
Posted by: Ombudsman at November 08, 2010 07:02 PM (c1oyg)
Did you tell him we don't live in a Judge Dredd comic book?

Posted by: buzzion at November 08, 2010 07:06 PM (oVQFe)

103 Andrew Jackson had a good attitude towards the courts

something along the lines of they had made their ruling, now let them enforce it

( for you Democrats / trolls , he was employing irony )

Posted by: SantaRosaStan at November 08, 2010 07:06 PM (UqKQV)

104
Beck is 100% right.

I am convinced that the Left's mission now is to try to provoke another OK City bombing -- even if they have to do it themselves.

I believe they think it's the only way to save Obama (and stop the Tea Party' mo) in 2012.

Posted by: Soothsayer at November 08, 2010 07:06 PM (UQjUb)

105 Hump a married woman, we stone you.Deal dope, we stone you.Suck a cock, we stone you.Watch Megyn Kelly, we stone you.
Learning to be a muslim imam has a lot in common withlearning to be a veterinarian. http://tinyurl.com/qz7hko

Posted by: Cicero at November 08, 2010 07:06 PM (QKKT0)

106

....so THAT'S how you get "smileys" to show up. Figures.

I blame Bush.

Posted by: Vincent Vega at November 08, 2010 07:06 PM (5lxPw)

107 As a judge friend said to me,
"in my courtroom, I AM the law. The law means what I say it means.
That's why we have an appellate process."

Posted by: Ombudsman at November 08, 2010 07:02 PM (c1oyg)
Did you tell him we don't live in a Judge Dredd comic book?

Posted by: buzzion at November 08, 2010 07:06 PM (oVQFe)
But she's right. It's the truth.

Posted by: Ombudsman at November 08, 2010 07:07 PM (c1oyg)

108 I see you got your shirt off.
Posted by: Sir Alexander Dane was an actor once at November 08, 2010 07:02 PM (SwkdU)
I'm not even supposed to be here. I'm just "Crewman Number Six."

Posted by: Guy Fleegman at November 08, 2010 07:07 PM (7AOgy)

109
The next frontier will be inclusion of parts of Sharia into the Uniform Code of Military Justice.

We've already lost hanging and firing squad to lethal injection, which is the pussy way out, so maybe we can return to the guillotine or a tour of duty in Afghanistan as a IED magnet.

Posted by: Fish the Impaler at November 08, 2010 07:07 PM (v1gw3)

110 Don't stone me, bro!
Me thinks the Jehadi's are loving every minute watching The slow bendoveracation of America.

Posted by: Two sheets, too much. at November 08, 2010 07:07 PM (Ceb/w)

111 Didn't you guys ever hear of Timothy-Al-Abu Mahk Veigh?

Posted by: USS Diversity at November 08, 2010 07:08 PM (RWtqz)

112 As a judge friend said to me, "in my courtroom, I AM the law. The law means what I say it means. That's why we have an appellate process."
Posted by: Ombudsman at November 08, 2010 07:02 PM (c1oyg)
The next time he invites you to a party, sneak upstairs to his master bathroom andtreat him toan upper decker.
Look it up if you need to.

Posted by: Warden at November 08, 2010 07:08 PM (QoR4a)

113 Gotta go finish dinner and calm down. Worked over the weekend for a client of my husband's. Entire house was a shrine to Barry and Moochelle. My suppressed rage/mocking meter went to eleventy.

Had a tea party meeting this evening in a coffee house (because Repub. headquarters was occupied). A libtard douchebag and his obese, short-shorts wearing gal pal (shudder!) mocked us and took cellphone photos. I kept thinking of my kid serving his country, watching this greasy little hipster and the disgusting fat girl sporting a major camel toe.

Time for alcohol.

Posted by: Jane D'oh is pissed off at November 08, 2010 07:09 PM (UOM48)

114 Anybody else watching Fox, the story about the fucking animals that tortured and murdered this doctor's family? Every time I start to waver on the death penalty... take this fucking animal out behind the courthouse and put two bullets behind his ear, Chinese style

Posted by: Ombudsman at November 08, 2010 07:10 PM (c1oyg)

115 I am convinced that the Left's mission now is to try to provoke another OK City bombing -- even if they have to do it themselves.I believe they think it's the only way to save Obama (and stop the Tea Party' mo) in 2012.
Posted by: Soothsayer at November 08, 2010 07:06 PM (UQjUb)
Sadly, that's true. From the WSJ Best of the Web blog:
How desperate is the president's predicament? Consider this exchange, noted by blogger Ed Morrissey, between MSNBC host Chris Matthews and Democratic pollster Mark Penn:
Penn: The president himself has to reconnect with the people. Remember, President Clinton reconnected through Oklahoma, right?
Matthews: Yeah, because of the bombing down there.
Penn: And the president right now seems removed. And it wasn't until that speech that he reclicked with the American public. Obama needs a similar--a similar kind of event.
The mind reels. What can one say to Mark Penn other than: Be careful what you wish for, because innocent Americans might get it.

Posted by: stuiec at November 08, 2010 07:10 PM (7AOgy)

116 So, uh, just how big a stick can we beat women with, Vicki? Better check on the fine points of sharia.

Posted by: Jay Guevara at November 08, 2010 07:10 PM (wb89X)

117 Andrew Jackson had a good attitude towards the courtssomething along the lines of they had made their ruling, now let them enforce it( for you Democrats / trolls , he was employing irony )

He said that in response to the SCOTUS ruling that Georgia had no right to force the Cherokee off of their land and claim it for themselves.

Jackson sided with Georgia and uttered that famous line.

Then the trail of tears commenced.

And, coincidentally enough, the Cherokee ended up in eastern Oklahoma.

Posted by: mpurinTexas (kicking Mexico's ass since 1836) at November 08, 2010 07:10 PM (xMKKV)

118

Shouldn't you kafirs be doing something productive, like going back to sleep?

This wouldn't happen if you didn't dislike "brown people" so much.


/

Posted by: John D'oh #8 at November 08, 2010 07:11 PM (5lxPw)

119 I'm not sure federal judges do themselves any favors by sticking their fingers directly in the eye of American voters this way. Especially when the voters are right.

Posted by: someone out there at November 08, 2010 07:11 PM (oxgrc)

120 Worth repeating, it is stated so very well:
99 Islam is intrinsically incompatible with America. Islam is by nature theocratic. Islam and Western democracy. There can be only one. The other will be destroyed. I'll choose Freedom over Submission.
Posted by: huh at November 08, 2010 07:05 PM (QcFbt)

Posted by: elspeth at November 08, 2010 07:12 PM (Qxm7Y)

121 Anybody else watching Fox, the story about the fucking animals that tortured and murdered this doctor's family? Every time I start to waver on the death penalty... take this fucking animal out behind the courthouse and put two bullets behind his ear, Chinese style
Posted by: Ombudsman at November 08, 2010 07:10 PM (c1oyg)
IF the judge goes along with the jury's recommendation and sentences him to death, it may be a couple of decades before he faces real execution date. That tells me we need to work harder to speed things along for these individuals and work through the Death Row backlog.

Posted by: stuiec at November 08, 2010 07:12 PM (7AOgy)

122 Lefties will blow some shit up or shoot someone before 2012.

Posted by: sifty at November 08, 2010 07:12 PM (Pt+4i)

123 this greasy little hipster and the disgusting fat girl sporting a major camel toe.

Ladies and Gentlemen, the Democrat Party!!!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: SantaRosaStan at November 08, 2010 07:12 PM (UqKQV)

124 yo
too lazy to read up but did anyone mention beating your women with a stick yet?
yes, BEAT THEM WITH A STICK!!
and they can't do shit about it
sweeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeet!!!

Posted by: navycopjoe at November 08, 2010 07:13 PM (S9k9+)

125
yeah, i saw that and Beck mentioned it, too.

But just remember how happy the Left was when they were able to say that Tea Partiers "stomped" a woman. Of course they lied, but they loved the fact they had a victim.

That's how sick the Left is; they are hoping for more victims to help their candidates.

Posted by: Soothsayer at November 08, 2010 07:13 PM (g73jP)

126 This has probably been mentioned, but what if some judge used sharia law to outlaw same-sex marriage? Mass liberal head explosions...

Posted by: ChuckOH at November 08, 2010 07:14 PM (QrPaF)

127 Don't be so hasty. Under Sharia, you could make Nancy Pelosi, Rachel Maddow and Joy Behar wear bhurkas. Something to think about.

Posted by: teh Wind at November 08, 2010 07:14 PM (1kwr2)

128 Posted by: mpurinTexas (kicking Mexico's ass since 1836) at November 08, 2010 07:10 PM (xMKKV)

you are the spike; I am the setter.......

Posted by: SantaRosaStan at November 08, 2010 07:14 PM (UqKQV)

129 ...watching this
greasy little hipster and the disgusting fat girl sporting a major camel
toe.

When they're fat, it's called a moose knuckle.

Posted by: mpurinTexas (kicking Mexico's ass since 1836) at November 08, 2010 07:14 PM (xMKKV)

130 I volunteer to put these animals out of the world's misery. And give me the list of the rest. I'll do double shifts on the killing floor.

You liberals won't even have to feel guilty. I'll do it all.

Posted by: sifty at November 08, 2010 07:14 PM (Pt+4i)

131
watching this greasy little hipster and the disgusting fat girl sporting a major camel toe.


Posted by: Jane D'oh is pissed off at November 08, 2010 07:09 PM (UOM4
You can see the hipster on the beach in his Speedo, and the fat chick in her French thong. Lovely!

Posted by: Fish the Impaler at November 08, 2010 07:14 PM (v1gw3)

132 Also, why does Vicki's husband allow her to work? She should be walking three steps behind him, along with his other wives. And why did her father allow her to be educated, to whatever small extent she was? Infidel!

Posted by: Jay Guevara at November 08, 2010 07:15 PM (wb89X)

133 Meaning the death row guys, not the CAIR puppets.

Posted by: sifty at November 08, 2010 07:15 PM (Pt+4i)

134 IF the judge goes along with the
jury's recommendation and sentences him to death, it may be a couple of
decades before he faces real execution date. That tells me we need to
work harder to speed things along for these individuals and work through
the Death Row backlog.

Posted by: stuiec at November 08, 2010 07:12 PM (7AOgy)
Agreed. Use it or repeal it. Stop torturing victim's families. Wesley Cook (aka Mumia Abu Jamal) has been on death row 31 years. 31!

Posted by: Ombudsman at November 08, 2010 07:15 PM (c1oyg)

135 I'm not even supposed to be here. I'm just "Crewman Number Six."

Let's get out of here before one of those things kills Guy!

Posted by: Gwen DiMarco at November 08, 2010 07:15 PM (SwkdU)

136 So a court can block a duly passed constitutional amendment?

And there's no apparent problem with this from the literati?

Posted by: Anyone at November 08, 2010 07:16 PM (rKrf0)

137 We've already lost hanging and firing squad to lethal injection, which is the pussy way out, so maybe we can return to the guillotine or a tour of duty in Afghanistan as a IED magnet.
Posted by: Fish the Impaler at November 08, 2010 07:07 PM (v1gw3)
I don't object to lethal injection on the basis of its humaneness. I object because it's opened up the death penalty to a slew of bogus challenges based on the overwrought technical intricacies of the lethal injection procedure. The latest of these is a challenge to the sourcing of sodium thiopental, which is absolutely idiotic: any drug that induces unconsciousness would work in place of thiopental, but that's not how the laws are written.

Posted by: stuiec at November 08, 2010 07:16 PM (7AOgy)

138
You're exactly right: Islam is the antithesis of the American idea.

Read Alex De Tocqueville's thoughts on Islam, Christianity, and the great American experiment.

That frog had an uncanny knack of seeing through shit.

Posted by: Soothsayer at November 08, 2010 07:16 PM (g73jP)

139 vicky?
must read the commens

Posted by: navycopjoe at November 08, 2010 07:16 PM (S9k9+)

140 I will have no empathy when judges such as these are having their haircut just a little too short by a member of the "religion" of peace.

Posted by: dogfish at November 08, 2010 07:17 PM (Ncv/n)

141 Last time I checked, Sharia law wasn't in the Constitution.....

It's hiding under the emanations of penumbras.

Posted by: chemjeff at November 08, 2010 07:19 PM (PaSAU)

142 And not certifyhing this election was the relief asked for in CAIR's pleading? This election question of a state constitutional amendment? This question that passed 7- 3?
BS! Certify the election, let the state constitutional amendment go into effect. If ever a case develops where OK's constitution is in conflict with the US constitution re application of Sharia law, then bring a challenge to the OK constitution.
Eff this pre-emptive declaratory crap.
And why did this bitch judge issue an order so quickly? Seems any conservative challenges linger and linger until after the point is moot before a federal judge rules on it.

Posted by: Count de Hatfield-McCoy at November 08, 2010 07:19 PM (2g2ex)

143 Agreed. Use it or repeal it. Stop torturing victim's families. Wesley Cook (aka Mumia Abu Jamal) has been on death row 31 years. 31!
Posted by: Ombudsman at November 08, 2010 07:15 PM (c1oyg)
I don't want it repealed. I just want it streamlined. If Mumia dies from execution by incarceration, that'll be unfortunate. If he manages to live long enough to con somebody into letting him out, that'll be outrageous beyond belief.

Posted by: stuiec at November 08, 2010 07:19 PM (7AOgy)

144 To answer a question up-thread,OK is in the jurisdiction of the Tenth Circuit. I looked them up, and it looks likeone Clinton appointee and the rest except one are from the Bush's or Reagan. A couple are still there from Nixon and Carter.

Posted by: Soona at November 08, 2010 07:19 PM (VG51O)

145 Beck has been going down a creepy path for a long time. He's an Alex Jones Lite that sees conspiracy everywhere.
He may be right on some points but to hear him talk about our future, there's no reason to wake up tomorrow.
Someone needs to put a leash on his ass.

Posted by: ErikW at November 08, 2010 07:20 PM (DU0DR)

146 126
This has probably been mentioned, but what if some judge used sharia law to outlaw same-sex marriage? Mass liberal head explosions...
Posted by: ChuckOH at November 08, 2010 07:14 PM (QrPaF)
Well pull out your copy of liberal protected classes and heirarchy of offended parties and see if gays currently rank above muslims in the most recent addition. That should give you your answer.

Posted by: buzzion at November 08, 2010 07:20 PM (oVQFe)

147 You're exactly right: Islam is the antithesis of the American idea.

the problem isn't Islam, it's Sharia

Posted by: chemjeff at November 08, 2010 07:20 PM (PaSAU)

148 The latest of these is a challenge
to the sourcing of sodium thiopental, which is absolutely idiotic: any
drug that induces unconsciousness would work in place of thiopental, but
that's not how the laws are written.

Posted by: stuiec at November 08, 2010 07:16 PM (7AOgy)
I bet they swab the condemned man's arm with alcohol before inserting the needle. We are truly insane

Posted by: Ombudsman at November 08, 2010 07:20 PM (c1oyg)

149
I don't object to lethal injection on the basis of its humaneness.

Posted by: stuiec at November 08, 2010 07:16 PM (7AOgy)


I object to the UCMJ altering the time-honored tradition of firing squad to be more politically correct. An Officer convicted of a Capital Crime would prefer a military rifle squad vice the injectable public feel-good option.

Posted by: Fish the Impaler at November 08, 2010 07:21 PM (v1gw3)

150 hmmmmm
t: honey, i'm home!!
me: woman, did you bring me dinner
t: not yet i just got here
me: get the stick
nice!

Posted by: navycopjoe at November 08, 2010 07:21 PM (S9k9+)

151 Let's get out of here before one of those things kills Guy!
Posted by: Gwen DiMarco at November 08, 2010 07:15 PM (SwkdU)
It's the simple things in life you treasure.

Posted by: Fred Kwan at November 08, 2010 07:22 PM (7AOgy)

152 Apparently this federal judge has never heard of the 10th amendment. Not surprising, very few judges (all the way up to the Supremes) seem to have a functional knowledge of the Constitution. The proper response from a fed judge was, of course, "Sorry, not a matter of federal jurisdiction. Go away."

Posted by: Fyzycyst at November 08, 2010 07:22 PM (ng3i7)

153 CAIR supports Islamic globalization, in any form. Putting a kibosh on anything to prevent domination of the infidel is important to CAIR.

Posted by: elspeth at November 08, 2010 07:22 PM (Qxm7Y)

154 How about an Amendment to the Oklahoma State Constitution thatprevents Federal District Court rulings from being taken seriously anymore.
My God, if an amendment to a state Constitution to ban foreign law can be overturned on no grounds whatsoever ... we simply don't have a rule of law anymore

Posted by: Call me Lennie at November 08, 2010 07:22 PM (GOsSG)

155 141 Last time I checked, Sharia law wasn't in the Constitution.....It's hiding under the emanations of penumbras.
Posted by: chemjeff at November 08, 2010 07:19 PM (PaSAU)
Oh please, its obviously in the Commerce Clause. Everything else is.

Posted by: buzzion at November 08, 2010 07:23 PM (oVQFe)

156
"I studied the
Koran a great deal. I came away from that study with the conviction
there have been few religions in the world as deadly to men as that of
Muhammad."

- Alexis de Tocqueville

Posted by: Soothsayer at November 08, 2010 07:23 PM (g73jP)

157 A single federal judge... is there anything they can't do?

Posted by: real joe at November 08, 2010 07:23 PM (w7Lv+)

158
here's the money quote:

"Mohammed brought down from heaven and put into the Koran not religious doctrines only, but political maxims, criminal and civil
laws, and scientific theories. The Gospels, on the other hand, deal only
with the general relations between man and God and between man and man.
Beyond that, they teach nothing and do not oblige people to believe
anything.

That alone, among a thousand reasons, is enough to show that
Islam will not be able to hold its power long in ages of enlightenment
and democracy, while Christianity is destined to reign in such ages, as
in all others."

Posted by: Soothsayer at November 08, 2010 07:25 PM (g73jP)

159 Dr. K said Jim DeMint had to get out of the way and let the serious people have their way with the Republican party. Mort Kondracke agreed with him. It's nice that we're all getting along now.

Posted by: jcp370 at November 08, 2010 07:26 PM (nvlAW)

160 It's the simple things in life you treasure.

Maybe your the plucky, comic relief type.

Posted by: Fred Kwan's doppleganger at November 08, 2010 07:26 PM (SwkdU)

161 pot
boiling water
frog

some assembly required

Posted by: The Hammer at November 08, 2010 07:26 PM (32ubA)

162 Oh please, its obviously in the Commerce Clause. Everything else is.

Posted by: buzzion at November 08, 2010 07:23 PM (oVQFe)
Of course! Sex with animals? check! Sodomy? We got YOU covered! There's nothing the commerce clause can't do!

Posted by: Ombudsman at November 08, 2010 07:26 PM (c1oyg)

163 "That alone, among a thousand reasons, is enough to show that Islam will not be able to hold its power long in ages of enlightenment and democracy, while Christianity is destined to reign in such ages, as in all others."
Posted by: Soothsayer at November 08, 2010 07:25 PM (g73jP)

Clearly, de Tocqueville never envisioned the modern American liberal.

Posted by: CoolCzech at November 08, 2010 07:27 PM (tJjm/)

164 ... And a word of warning to liberal douches who twist the meaning of laws like pretzels.If there is norule of law, there will still be a rule of something. And I don't believe your run of the mill lib douche thrives in that alternative "rule of something"
Word to the douche

Posted by: Call me Lennie at November 08, 2010 07:28 PM (GOsSG)

165 IF the judge goes along with the jury's recommendation and sentences him to death, it may be a couple of decades before he faces real execution date. That tells me we need to work harder to speed things along for these individuals and work through the Death Row backlog.
A century ago the entire saga from commission of the murder through arrest, trial, appeal (in the UK then a one-day affair to plead your case), and hangingtook less than a year, and often was a matter of months. Crippen, for example, murdered his wife on 1/31 and was hanged on 11/23 - both of 1910.
This dicking around for decades doesn't make it. And I second the sentiment about about lethal injection. While I sympathize with the emotional wear and tear on the executioners, hanging and the firing squad are more appropriate. Lethal injection is too easy. Hell, I'd take the needle myself most Monday mornings.

Posted by: Jay Guevara at November 08, 2010 07:28 PM (wb89X)

166 De Tokeville? Sounds like one of those dirty foreigners trying to influence our elections!

Posted by: Barack Obama at November 08, 2010 07:28 PM (QrPaF)

167 Of course! Sex with animals? check!

Posted by: Ombudsman at November 08, 2010 07:26 PM (c1oyg)

Woah! That gives the term "animal husbandry" a whole new meaning...

Posted by: CoolCzech at November 08, 2010 07:28 PM (tJjm/)

168 I object to the UCMJ altering the time-honored tradition of firing squad to be more politically correct. An Officer convicted of a Capital Crime would prefer a military rifle squad vice the injectable public feel-good option.
Posted by: Fish the Impaler at November 08, 2010 07:21 PM (v1gw3)
I focus more on the deadness aspect. The lethal injection ends up with an acceptable level of deadness on the part of the condemned. However, a good firing squad is a lot easier and simpler -- and faster, for that matter.
The entire point of using an execution method other than a short-drop hanging or drawing quartering is that the powers that be decided to remove pain and suffering from the punishment and to put the emphasis solely on death. The long-drop hanging, the headsman's axe, the guillotine, the firing squad, the electric chair and the gas chamber were all the applications of the scientific thinking of their respective eras toward the problem of killing the condemned person quickly and as painlessly as possible. Unfortunately, none of them were quite as well thought out as they could have been -- but of all of them, the long-drop hanging and the firing squad are, if done properly, the most likely to cause instantaneous unconsciousness (from spinal shock).

Posted by: Fred Kwan at November 08, 2010 07:29 PM (7AOgy)

169 Beck has been going down a creepy path for a long time. He's an Alex Jones Lite that sees conspiracy everywhere.
He may be right on some points but to hear him talk about our future, there's no reason to wake up tomorrow.
Someone needs to put a leash on his ass.
Posted by: ErikW at November 08, 2010 07:20 PM (DU0DR)

We know how you feelabout Beck, so curb your shit. He's done all lot more to raise awareness about this regime than you could even dream about doing. He's backed up everything on his show with video, audio, documentation, etc.

Posted by: Soona at November 08, 2010 07:30 PM (VG51O)

170 the problem isn't Islam, it's Sharia
Posted by: chemjeff at November 08, 2010 07:20 PM (PaSAU)
Islam without Sharia is not Islam - it's apostasy. Islam is the problem - world wide. No place is improved by the presence of muslims - on the contrary, all places where muslims live, they make the place worse. Any steps taken to be rid of them are justified.

Posted by: Reactionary at November 08, 2010 07:30 PM (4nbyM)

171 Unfortunately, none of them were
quite as well thought out as they could have been -- but of all of them,
the long-drop hanging and the firing squad are, if done properly, the most likely to cause instantaneous unconsciousness (from spinal shock).

Posted by: Fred Kwan at November 08, 2010 07:29 PM (7AOgy)
Guillotine! Death is instantaneous, and it leaves the boys a nice mess to clean up

Posted by: Ombudsman at November 08, 2010 07:32 PM (c1oyg)

172 Liberal pussies are in for a tough time no matter who wins the upcoming war. The muz will cut their heads off here if they win, and we'll deport them to muz countries if we win.

Posted by: sifty at November 08, 2010 07:32 PM (Pt+4i)

173 Maybe your the plucky, comic relief type.
Posted by: Fred Kwan's doppleganger at November 08, 2010 07:26 PM (SwkdU)
Look! I have one job on this lousy ship, it's *stupid*, but I'm gonna do it! Okay?

Posted by: The other Gwen DiMarco at November 08, 2010 07:33 PM (7AOgy)

174 Please overlook my ignorance, but where does the judiciary derive its authority to overturn/delay, etc, anything to do with a CONSTITUTIONAL amendment? Doesn't the Constitution itself lay out how it may be amended, and did not the states' constitutions model themselves on the US Constitution? I did not know that Marbury v Madison applied to amendments to constituion.

Posted by: Agnes B. Bullock at November 08, 2010 07:33 PM (SgT91)

175 New York has a Division of Kosher Law Enforcement. Yes, that's what it's called, ask Google. It was ruled unconstitutional a few years back because the rabbis were enforcement Orthodox food rules against Conservative delis. Pataki declared a state of Kosher Emergency (I swear, Google it) and they revised the law so that anybody could sell anything as "Kosher" so long as they published their definition on a state registry. I think rabbis ars still doing inspections, but they're limited to ascertaining whether what's sold conforms to what's on the registry. So you coukd sell Kosher pork if you wanted to as long as you posted that info with the Division.

Probably still unconstitutional due to it's focus on the dietary laws of a religion. I doubt the state could force makers of wine and communion wafers participate in such a registry, or make everyone who advertises a "Christmas sale" do so.

The Oklahoma situation is probably analgous. It's forcing the state to define "Sharia" and somehow avoid its tenets when passing legislation. Liberals popularized their whole abortion agenda the same way -- pretended that pro-life legislation was the enforcement of Catholic doctrine and thus a church/state violation (although the courts never bought this line of reasoning).

In short, the Sharia law is probably unconstitutional in some way. Not that I care. Let the libtards fuck themselves over once more trying to defend the judge's (probably correct) decision.

Posted by: Northeast Elizabeth at November 08, 2010 07:35 PM (liBQN)

176 I think a lot of the problem some folks have with Beck is that they really, really, really want Beck to be wrong. But he seldom is.Easier to shoot the messenger.

Plus, crying.

Posted by: sifty at November 08, 2010 07:35 PM (Pt+4i)

177 Guillotine! Death is instantaneous, and it leaves the boys a nice mess to clean up
Posted by: Ombudsman at November 08, 2010 07:32 PM (c1oyg)
Well, death is pretty quick and probably fairly painless (aside from that burning sensation at the neckline). Plus, it makes for great street theater and lets the old ladies catch up on their knitting.
But the Nazis used the guillotine very frequently, so it has a bad PR rap.

Posted by: stuiec at November 08, 2010 07:35 PM (7AOgy)

178 guillotine = France.

So, no.

Posted by: sifty at November 08, 2010 07:37 PM (Pt+4i)

179

On CAIR's Muneer Awad:
Duncan and Sykes both said the state should have challenged whether Awad had the standing to bring the case. ... As far as we know, he flew into here from
Georgia just to make the case," Duncan said. "We dont think he is an
Oklahoma resident or plans to stay. We dont think he had standing.

Posted by: troy at November 08, 2010 07:37 PM (Pt3he)

180 Woah! That gives the term "animal husbandry" a whole new meaning...

Posted by: CoolCzech at November 08, 2010 07:28 PM (tJjm/)
Oh, c'mon, man! which of us hasn't fallen for that fetching Guernsey, with those soulful brown eyes?

Posted by: Ombudsman at November 08, 2010 07:37 PM (c1oyg)

181 We know how you feelabout Beck, so curb your shit. He's done all lot more to raise awareness about this regime than you could even dream about doing. He's backed up everything on his show with video, audio, documentation, etc.
Posted by: Soona at November 08, 2010 07:30 PM (VG51O)
Beck is unnecesarily freaking people out. We're not on the cusp of Martial Law and societal breakdown like he always cries about.
Freaky people say freaky shit, that doesn't mean it's inevitable.

Posted by: ErikW at November 08, 2010 07:38 PM (DU0DR)

182 But the Nazis used the guillotine very frequently, so it has a bad PR rap.

Posted by: stuiec at November 08, 2010 07:35 PM (7AOgy)
Really? I consider myself a student of WWII, and I didn't know that

Posted by: Ombudsman at November 08, 2010 07:39 PM (c1oyg)

183 The entire point of using an execution method other than a short-drop hanging or drawing & quartering is that the powers that be decided to remove pain and suffering from the punishment and to put the emphasis solely on death. The Unfortunately, none of them were quite as well thought out as they could have been -- but of all of them, the long-drop hanging and the firing squad are, if done properly, the most likely to cause instantaneous unconsciousness (from spinal shock).

Posted by: Fred Kwan at November 08, 2010 07:29 PM (7AOgy)

That's not in the script, Fred.

Posted by: Jason Nesmith at November 08, 2010 07:39 PM (SwkdU)

184 There's nothing the commerce clause can't do!

It's a floor wax!
No, it's a dessert topping!

It's....THE COMMERCE CLAUSE!

Posted by: chemjeff at November 08, 2010 07:40 PM (PaSAU)

185 Another situation great for breaking out the popcorn. The Oklahoma measure has all the trappings of a case for the law of unintended consequences. For one thing, Treaties are the Law of the United States (per the Constitution), but may reference (even incorporate) principles of international or foreign law. What will Oklahoma courts do then?

And - no - the measure does not expressly invalidate wills, but could very well have that effect if the language of a given Will incorporates a principle of foreign law.

But the Federal Court here has really created a side-show, because it is difficult to anticipate all the situations in which such a problem could arise. In short, you don't really have a plaintiff with standing - CAIR does not present a solid Constitutional "case or controversy". The Federal Court should have dismissed this case in favor of one that will surely - eventually - arise in a more concrete setting. This case will involve nothing but speculation.

Good entertainment, for sure, but only bad law will come of it.

Posted by: Roger at November 08, 2010 07:40 PM (tAwhy)

186 But the Nazis used the guillotine very frequently, so it has a bad PR rap.
Posted by: stuiec at November 08, 2010 07:35 PM (7AOgy)
I dunno - the Nazis other methods of killing people are somewhat more well known. I've never heard anybodyassociate theguillotine with the Nazis. The device'sassociation with the French Terror and the associated murdering probably did enough to make it seem like an instrument of state sanctioned murder.

Posted by: Reactionary at November 08, 2010 07:40 PM (4nbyM)

187 @180: Well, there are alternatives, you know. It's like the old Gershwin song, "It Had to be Ewe!"

Posted by: CoolCzech at November 08, 2010 07:40 PM (tJjm/)

188 What was it that "William Wallace" shrieked at the end of "Braveheart?
"DIVERSITY!!!"
or freedom..I forget.

Posted by: hutch1200 at November 08, 2010 07:41 PM (IZVP/)

189 What's really twisted is that under Sharia, admiring camel toe is a way of life.

Posted by: CoolCzech at November 08, 2010 07:41 PM (tJjm/)

190
Remember the GESTAPO with FISH LIPS in RAIDERS of the LOST ARK and he MELTED when he looked at the ARK?

Posted by: Soothsayerwing Plover at November 08, 2010 07:42 PM (6cqZX)

191 uh, You listen....we decide.

Posted by: B+rry Ob+owmao at November 08, 2010 07:42 PM (FsuY0)

192 They can take our lives, but they cannae take our multiculturalism!

Posted by: Bizarro Braveheart at November 08, 2010 07:43 PM (PaSAU)

193
I said...

BUT FIRST YOU WILL BLOWWWWWWWWW MEEEEEEEEEEE!

Posted by: William Wallace at November 08, 2010 07:43 PM (6cqZX)

194 Really? I consider myself a student of WWII, and I didn't know that
Posted by: Ombudsman at November 08, 2010 07:39 PM (c1oyg)
You learn somthing new every day.
The Nazi GuillotineAlthough the Guillotine is known for its frequent use in France, it was also a common execution by the Nazis. According to the Nazis themselves, there was over 16,500 executions by Guillotine between 1933 and 1945. Around 1944 the Nazis used the Guillotine even more frequently. During this time, Hitler ordered an additional 20 machines and began recruiting more executioners. In a ten month period between 1944 and 1945, over 10,000 heads fell. At the execution camp in Plontzensee, 70 Jewish prisoners were executed in a single night! The most significant executioners was Johann Baptist Reichart. He served as a prime executioner before, during, and after the Nazi regime. It is said that he has guillotined 2,876 people, more than any other executioner. Even more amazing, Reichart guillotined 1,399 people in the year of 1944,. This is an average of four victims per day!

Posted by: stuiec at November 08, 2010 07:43 PM (7AOgy)

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Joseph Thai, a professor at the University
of Oklahoma's College of Law,
said the ballot measure is "an answer in search of a problem" and
that there is no danger of international law or Sharia law overtaking the
American legal system.


Thai received his law degree from Harvard
Law School
in 2003, when Elena Kagan was its Dean.


Well there it is!




Posted by: Fish the Impaler at November 08, 2010 07:43 PM (v1gw3)

196 "Give Me Diversity, Or Give Me Death!"

Posted by: CoolCzech at November 08, 2010 07:43 PM (tJjm/)

197 189
What's really twisted is that under Sharia, admiring camel toe is a way of life.

problem is, it's real camels

Posted by: chemjeff at November 08, 2010 07:44 PM (PaSAU)

198 What was it that "William Wallace" shrieked at the end of "Braveheart?
"DIVERSITY!!!"
or freedom..I forget.

Posted by: hutch1200 at November 08, 2010 07:41 PM (IZVP/)
Nah, it was "You may kill me, but ....First you will blow me!"

Posted by: Ombudsman at November 08, 2010 07:44 PM (c1oyg)

199 It gets lonely on the pasture. Really lonely. And no damn hyphenated-American judge is gonna keep me out of Betsy al Sheepa's corral if I decide it's a Cialis night.

Posted by: Goatse ibn Sheepbang at November 08, 2010 07:44 PM (Pt+4i)

200 BTW - the judge has been mentioned as a potential Obama nominee for the Supreme Court.

There, now don't you feel better?

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at November 08, 2010 07:44 PM (N1lEO)

201 No, William Wallace proclaimed; I got this!

Posted by: Two sheets, too much. at November 08, 2010 07:44 PM (Ceb/w)

202 guillotine = France.So, no.
Posted by: sifty at November 08, 2010 07:37 PM (Pt+4i)
gas chamber = California
Didn't stop Heinrich Himmler.

Posted by: stuiec at November 08, 2010 07:46 PM (7AOgy)

203 Remember wingnuts, its the separation of CHURCH and state, not MOSQUE and state.

Besides, if we don't give them what they want, they might blow something up.

Posted by: Lee Reynolds at November 08, 2010 07:46 PM (/gY4D)

204 There's a reason why OK did this, and this judge is an idiot. What happened in NJ is a prime example of Sharia Law already being considered in our courts.

A New Jersey family court judge's decision not to grant a restraining order to a woman who was sexually abused by her Moroccan husband and forced repeatedly to have sex with him is sounding the alarm for advocates of laws designed to ban Shariah in America.Judge Joseph Charles, in denying the restraining order to the woman after her divorce, ruled that her ex-husband felt he had behaved according to his Muslim beliefs -- and that he did not have "criminal desire to or intent to sexually assault" his wife.In considering the woman's plea for a restraining order after the couple divorced, Charles ruled in June 2009 that a preponderance of the evidence showed the defendant had harassed and assaulted her, but "The court believes that [defendant] was operating under his belief that it is, as the husband, his desire to have sex when and whether he wanted to, was something that was consistent with his practices and it was something that was not prohibited."The woman's lawyer, Jennifer Donnelly of New Jersey Legal Services, told FoxNews.com that Charles' ruling should add to the case for a proposed Oklahoma law, which will be on the ballot in November, which would ban judges from considering "international law or Shariah Law" in their rulings.

Posted by: Steph at November 08, 2010 07:46 PM (Wm647)

205 I thought William Wallace screamed, "Kobe, I'M OPEN!"...?

Posted by: sifty at November 08, 2010 07:46 PM (Pt+4i)

206 Spinal Shock...that's one of those rainy gloomy heroin using grunge bands in Portland...right?

Posted by: torabora at November 08, 2010 07:46 PM (FsuY0)

207 Oh, c'mon, man! which of us hasn't fallen for that fetching Guernsey, with those soulful brown eyes?
Posted by: Ombudsman at November 08, 2010 07:37 PM (c1oyg)
Wasn't she last year's Miss April in Hugh Heifer's PLAYBULL?

Posted by: stuiec at November 08, 2010 07:47 PM (7AOgy)

208 You learn somthing new every day.


Posted by: stuiec at November 08, 2010 07:43 PM (7AOgy)
Fascinating. (well, gruesome, but....) Thank you sir!

Posted by: Ombudsman at November 08, 2010 07:48 PM (c1oyg)

209 But the Nazis used the guillotine very frequently, so it has a bad PR rap.
I never heard of Nazis using guillotines. They preferred a bullet to the back of the neck or head, hanging (with piano wire for special occasions), gas or starvation.

Got a link?

Posted by: Cicero at November 08, 2010 07:48 PM (QKKT0)

210 I am trying to wrap my mind around how a constitutional amendment of a sovereign state can be unconstitutional?
Amendment one says "congress shall make no law..." not Oklahoma shall make no law, or California shall make no law...

The judge has overstepped her bounds.

Posted by: Nosmo at November 08, 2010 07:49 PM (dz5oW)

211 So, let's see if I can do this right. The Ten Commandments can't be within 1000 feet of any building that has anything to do with the government. Because of separation of church and state.

Yet it's totally OK to endorse sharia law. Is that because islam is a social system and not a political one? And if the answer to that is yes, does that mean that we can get rid of all the religious protections offered to islam?

I'm guessing no.

It would seem that islam has an advantage that can never be overcome- it is sometimes a social system, which means it can be used to change laws, yet at other times, it is a religious system, which means that the US government must protect it at all cost.

We are so screwed.

Posted by: shibumi at November 08, 2010 07:50 PM (OKZrE)

212 Got a link?
Posted by: Cicero at November 08, 2010 07:48 PM (QKKT0)
See 194 above.

Posted by: stuiec at November 08, 2010 07:50 PM (7AOgy)

213
Remember when those HIPPIES came aboard the ENTERPRISE and they called KIRK a HERBERT and Captain Kirk was like WTF? and SPOCK explained to him that 'Herbert' meant bad actor and shitty director?

Posted by: William Wallace at November 08, 2010 07:50 PM (6cqZX)

214 This judge is just following orders.

Posted by: sifty at November 08, 2010 07:50 PM (Pt+4i)

215 How come Elena Kagan doesn't have a hyphenated name like this judge? Does Mr. Kagan consider her chattel or something?

Posted by: Clueless at November 08, 2010 07:51 PM (liBQN)

216 Just saw 194. Interesting, but I'm still not convinced. BTW, Johann Baptist Reichart doesn't turn up in a Google search -- at least not the first few pages.

Posted by: Cicero at November 08, 2010 07:52 PM (QKKT0)

217 Joseph Thai, a professor at the University of Oklahoma's College of Law, said the ballot measure is "an answer in search of a problem" and that there is no danger of international law or Sharia law overtaking the American legal system.
Then there shouldn't be any problem with this law, right? If Thai is correct, the law is irrelevant, and therefore harmless.
OTOH, if it does impinge on jurisprudence, then it was necessary, wasn't it?

Posted by: Jay Guevara at November 08, 2010 07:52 PM (wb89X)

218 How come Elena Kagan doesn't have a hyphenated name like this judge? Does Mr. Kagan consider her chattel or something?
I believe Mr. Kagan is a vibrator.

Posted by: Jay Guevara at November 08, 2010 07:53 PM (wb89X)

219 I thought William Wallace screamed, "Kobe, I'M OPEN!"...?
Posted by: sifty at November 08, 2010 07:46 PM (Pt+4i)
I told Wallace not to call Edward I "Sugartits."

Posted by: Robert the Bruce at November 08, 2010 07:54 PM (7AOgy)

220 How come Elena Kagan doesn't have a hyphenated name like this judge? Does Mr. Kagan consider her chattel or something?

Posted by: Clueless at November 08, 2010 07:51 PM (liBQN)
Ain't No.

Posted by: Ombudsman at November 08, 2010 07:54 PM (c1oyg)

221 This is BS. Hmm Do we have Jewish Laws here??? Polish??
Catholic laws??
NOPE we have laws of the United States of America.
Take your Muslim laws and put them where the sun don't shine.

Posted by: rld SA at November 08, 2010 07:55 PM (R3ux2)

222 Just saw 194. Interesting, but I'm still not convinced. BTW, Johann Baptist Reichart doesn't turn up in a Google search -- at least not the first few pages.
Posted by: Cicero at November 08, 2010 07:52 PM (QKKT0)
Google "Nazi guillotine".

Posted by: Robert the Bruce at November 08, 2010 07:55 PM (7AOgy)

223 Beck is unnecesarily freaking people out. We're not on the cusp of Martial Law and societal breakdown like he always cries about.

He's never claimed a timeline on anything. He just encourages us to prepare for difficult times ahead. He was talking about what is happening now with the dollar clear back in 2008. You're projecting your personal dislike for him as an indicater of the information he's trying tobroadcast.

Posted by: Soona at November 08, 2010 07:55 PM (VG51O)

224
try this: google 'lemon party'

Posted by: William Wallace at November 08, 2010 07:56 PM (6cqZX)

225 But can you still do Fatwa's?

Posted by: CDR M at November 08, 2010 07:56 PM (5I8G0)

226 I believe Mr. Kagan is a vibrator.

Yeah, Hello Kitty-Kagan isn't very mellifluous.

Posted by: alexthechick at November 08, 2010 07:56 PM (bQ5xy)

227 Yo, Judge Vicki. You might want to read a brief on what happened to Iowa judges who invalidated citizens' wishes. That was just last week, so you shouldn't have any trouble tracking it down.

Posted by: RushBabe at November 08, 2010 07:57 PM (a3Z62)

228
Anyone watch DEXTER?

Did you watch the episode last week? That was the funniest shit I've seen in a long time.

Posted by: Soothsayer at November 08, 2010 07:58 PM (6cqZX)

229 But can you still do Fatwas?

Posted by: CDR M at November 08, 2010 07:56 PM (5I8G0)I want to start a religion where we conservatives can issue fatwas


Posted by: Ombudsman at November 08, 2010 07:59 PM (c1oyg)

230 This pisses me the f*ck off. Does CAIR really, really want to do this and did this judge really, really block the will of the people again? Pretty frickin' sick of these activist judges. Out of control.

Posted by: Lady in Black at November 08, 2010 08:00 PM (M6enm)

231 It would seem that islam has an advantage that can never be overcome- it is sometimes a social system, which means it can be used to change laws, yet at other times, it is a religious system, which means that the US government must protect it at all cost.We are so screwed.

I can think of no better time, with so many repub state govs., the US house, and soon the US senate and presidency to have a constitutional convention.

Posted by: Soona at November 08, 2010 08:01 PM (VG51O)

232 I want to start a religion where we conservatives can issue fatwas

Are we still going to be Moron Amish? We can add that to the list of things we can do.

Posted by: alexthechick at November 08, 2010 08:02 PM (bQ5xy)

233 Never got the Sigourney thing....
Posted by: Ombudsman at November 08, 2010 06:59 PM (c1oyg)
Really??? Well, we're going to play twister later...

Posted by: Vinz Clotho, KeyMaster at November 08, 2010 08:02 PM (AdK6a)

234 You're projecting your personal dislike for him as an indicater of the information he's trying tobroadcast.
Posted by: Soona at November 08, 2010 07:55 PM (VG51O)
I don't dislike him at all. In fact, I think he provides valuable information but his manner of presenting it does more harm than good.
You don't yell and cry when there is no imminent danger and that's what he does. The elections a few days ago show that there's plenty of room for optimism.
Beck doesn't reflect that well.

Posted by: ErikW at November 08, 2010 08:02 PM (Hj/2X)

235 213 Remember when those HIPPIES came aboard the ENTERPRISE and they called KIRK a HERBERT and Captain Kirk was like WTF? and SPOCK explained to him that 'Herbert' meant bad actor and shitty director?_______________
Headin' out to EdenYeah, brother.
Nope. Don't remember it at all. You can't prove I remember it.

Posted by: Anachronda at November 08, 2010 08:03 PM (IrbU4)

236 "OK... how does the Judge tell a State Official to not certify the election?"

That was my first question, too. I've never heard of a federal injunction against certifying an election result based on the substance of what was being voted on rather than the process. Until the result is certified and this provision becomes law in OK, as Roger said, I fail to see how there's a live case or controversy sufficient to give anyone standing and invoke the jurisdiction of the federal courts.

Once that hurdle is passed, I do think there ARE 1st Amendment and Equal Protection problems with expressly singling out Sharia like this. Contracts use choice-of-law provisions all the time. OK can restrict that, but I don't think it can single out the law of just one religion like this.

"The Oklahoma measure has all the trappings of a case for the law of
unintended consequences. For one thing, Treaties are the Law of the
United States (per the Constitution), but may reference (even
incorporate) principles of international or foreign law. What will
Oklahoma courts do then?"

OK courts will have to follow the treaty and ignore their state constitution. State courts have an independent obligation to uphold federal law, and treaties ARE federal law, including whatever international or foreign legal principles they may contain, unless the treaty itself violates the federal constitution.

"...the measure does not expressly invalidate wills, but could very well
have that effect if the language of a given Will incorporates a
principle of foreign law."

Indeed, even to the extent of parties potentially getting held in contempt if an estate is being probated in multiple jurisdictions.

Posted by: Dave J. at November 08, 2010 08:05 PM (DCQ0q)

237 We have to start dying on some of these hills.

They are cooking the frog every day now.

Posted by: sifty at November 08, 2010 08:05 PM (Pt+4i)

238 You have to forgive the liberal 'judges', they're stuck in their 3rd grade mentallity. I no longer have respect for any judge and verylittle for law making andenforcement wonks. The politically correct game has destroyed their brains.

Posted by: Scrapiron at November 08, 2010 08:06 PM (1kwr2)

239 I down with issuing conservative Fatwa's. They'd have to have some form of enforcement mechanism though so liberal's will fall over themselves in fear when one is issued.

Posted by: CDR M at November 08, 2010 08:06 PM (5I8G0)

240 As others have said, there is no Islam without Sharia. The concept of mosque-state separation is unIslamic.

Islam invades and culturally replaces whatever system existed prior to it's invasion. And Islam's demands for violent jihad make it very successful, like a cockroach.

Don't underestimate Islam. The only thing that has saved the West in the past was war followed by ethnic cleansing (the Reconquista). We likely will have to do it again.


Posted by: huh at November 08, 2010 08:06 PM (QcFbt)

241 It is high time we acknowledged that Islam is not so much a religion as an imperialistic political and military movement. This movement is informed by a certain religious point of view, much like the Constitution and customs of the United States is informed by the Judeo/Christian religious point of view. But if Saudi Arabia had a rule similar to our First Amendment, one would not read that law to requirethem to recognize the US Constitution as a matter of religious liberty. Similarly we should not recognize or take a hands-off approach to Islam, because it is an alien social system, and a hostile one at that.
If the Soviets had been clever enough to claim that Socialism was a religion, we would all be speaking Russian by now. I have no desire to learn Arabic because we make the mistake of treating Islam as a religion.

Posted by: Haiku Guy at November 08, 2010 08:06 PM (jYjQj)

242 187
@180: Well, there are alternatives, you know. It's like the old Gershwin song, "It Had to be Ewe!"

No, it was written by Isham Jones and Gus Kahn, ironically enough for this discussion.

Posted by: Otis Criblecoblis at November 08, 2010 08:08 PM (fjoLg)

243 This pisses me the f*ck off. Does CAIR really, really want to do this and did this judge really, really block the will of the people again? Pretty frickin' sick of these activist judges. Out of control.
Posted by: Lady in Black at November 08, 2010 08:00 PM (M6enm)
You know, the funny thing is that CAIR is the Council on American-Islamic Relations. As in, America on one side, Islam on the other. As in, according to how they named their own damn group, CAIR views America and Islam as two different worlds.

Posted by: stuiec at November 08, 2010 08:08 PM (7AOgy)

244 I don't know all of the nuances of sharia law but from what I do know, I have to wonder, where is the feminist outcry?

Someone should post sharia law so people could know what it actually is. I would google it but if I type that word more than two times in my lifetime I may throw up. That would be a waste of the Valu-Rite.

My hunch is that there is no outcry from the feminists because their agenda is not about women.

Posted by: PugBoo at November 08, 2010 08:13 PM (h3ZPT)

245 Yeah, Hello Kitty-Kagan isn't very mellifluous.
Oh, I dunno. How about "Eveready-Kagan?" Kinda rolls off the tongue...
I know. Poor choice of words, right?

Posted by: Jay Guevara at November 08, 2010 08:14 PM (wb89X)

246 Just saw 194. Interesting, but I'm still not convinced. BTW, Johann Baptist Reichart doesn't turn up in a Google search -- at least not the first few pages.
Posted by: Cicero at November 08, 2010 07:52 PM (QKKT0)
Try "Rttger (or Roettger)."
And put yourself some f'n knowledge.

Posted by: stuiec at November 08, 2010 08:14 PM (7AOgy)

247 You know, the funny thing is that CAIR is the Council on American-Islamic Relations. As in, America on one side, Islam on the other. As in, according to how they named their own damn group, CAIR views America and Islam as two different worlds.
Kinda like "German-American Bund," yes?

Posted by: Jay Guevara at November 08, 2010 08:15 PM (wb89X)

248 Oh, I dunno. How about "Eveready-Kagan?" Kinda rolls off the tongue...
I know. Poor choice of words, right?
Posted by: Jay Guevara at November 08, 2010 08:14 PM (wb89X)
Energizer-Kagan or Kagan-Energizer.

Posted by: stuiec at November 08, 2010 08:15 PM (7AOgy)

249 I have to wonder, where is the feminist outcry?


Oh there was plenty of feminist outcry about how women were treated in Afghanistan and the like pre-October, 2001 or so. I wonder what could have changed to make that stop. *taps chin*


Posted by: alexthechick at November 08, 2010 08:16 PM (bQ5xy)

250 OK... how does the Judge tell a State Official to not certify the election?"It does make you wonder why we bother voting.

Posted by: Jay Guevara at November 08, 2010 08:17 PM (wb89X)

251 So a court can block a duly passed constitutional amendment?
And there's no apparent problem with this from the literati?

It is a state constitutional amendment. Pleeeeze, I am not endorsing the judges decision. The "Separation Clause" has been screwed up just like the "Commerce Clause" has been.

I would hope that the same judge would rule against a state amendment outlawing the possession of firearms, considering what the McDonald decision means. I am sure the this judge would find some twisted logic to support the ban.

Posted by: Holger at November 08, 2010 08:17 PM (V9Q+f)

252 Kinda like "German-American Bund," yes?
Posted by: Jay Guevara at November 08, 2010 08:15 PM (wb89X)
Kind of. But the formulation "<ethnicity>-American" has come to imply that the people in question are Americans of <ethnicity>. "American-Islamic" doesn't carry that connotation of unity, but rather a connotation of clear division. And "American-Islamic relations" clearly implies communication across a gap between two distinct communities.

Posted by: stuiec at November 08, 2010 08:18 PM (7AOgy)

253 PLEASE, Obama, nominate this man to the Court. (To steal from a famous National Reviewcover byline.)
If ever there was a case for a filibuster, this would be it.

Posted by: Zimriel at November 08, 2010 08:19 PM (94eYr)

254 As others have said, there is no Islam without Sharia. The concept of mosque-state separation is unIslamic.Islam invades and culturally replaces whatever system existed prior to it's invasion. And Islam's demands for violent jihad make it very successful, like a cockroach.Don't underestimate Islam. The only thing that has saved the West in the past was war followed by ethnic cleansing (the Reconquista). We likely will have to do it again.
Maybe not ethnic cleansing, but induce violence enough to invalidate their efforts to take over our country. I'm thinking deportation too.

Posted by: Soona at November 08, 2010 08:19 PM (VG51O)

255 Following the rules of this blog I have erased all thoughts of ever commenting about violence as anything but disgusting, counter productive, and needlessly giving weapons support to the adversaries.

I still might have an acquittal fantasy. Nothing violent about that, is there?

Posted by: snookered at November 08, 2010 08:20 PM (jchJh)

256 Yeah, America's kinda-sorta been here before, with theMormonism of John Taylor. It ended up in a staring match, IIRC, and Taylor'sMormonism blinked first. The Constitutionality of the US's actions didn't get tested as a result.
But John Taylor and his boys heldonly a patchof the Western United States, and a desolate one at that. Plus, the rest of the US was surrounding it and outbreeding it.
And also note that the US didn't stamp out Taylor's Mormonism. Itsurvived in northwestern Arizona until, what, three years ago?
Islam is a bigger problem...

Posted by: Zimriel at November 08, 2010 08:28 PM (94eYr)

257 Kind of. But the formulation "<ethnicity>-American" has come to imply that the people in question are Americans of <ethnicity>. "American-Islamic" doesn't carry that connotation of unity, but rather a connotation of clear division. And "American-Islamic relations" clearly implies communication across a gap between two distinct communities.
You're right, of course, but the point is that in both cases the name does double duty as referring either to a harmless social/advocacy organization (when the rubes are around) or to a quasi-subversive, quasi-underground fifth column organizatoin (when the rubes aren't around).
And right up to Pearl Harbor the Bund was a vehicle and coverfor Nazi subversion, just as CAIR is for the Islamic variety.

Posted by: Jay Guevara at November 08, 2010 08:30 PM (r9/9u)

258
Pee BillionsofGallons Upon Him...

Posted by: My Horse Can Shit at November 08, 2010 08:30 PM (CyPWX)

259 Maybe not ethnic cleansing, but induce violence enough to invalidate their efforts to take over our country. I'm thinking deportation too.
Social pressure is a better bet; it doesn't set a legal precedent, and avoids pain in the ass activist judges from countering it from the bench.
Just make fundamentalist Muslims uncomfortable enough to GTFO. No provisions for Islamic horseshit, no ramadan grab-assing, and no Muslim Presidents (oops, too late for that one).

Posted by: Jay Guevara at November 08, 2010 08:33 PM (r9/9u)

260 "Oh there was plenty of feminist outcry about how women were treated in Afghanistan and the like pre-October, 2001 or so. I wonder what could have changed to make that stop. *taps chin*"
Ah yes, it's all coming back now. Poloroid Corporation filed for federal bankruptcy protection on 10/11/01. No more self developing film.
Or was it something else perhaps? Hmmmm

Posted by: PugBoo at November 08, 2010 08:33 PM (h3ZPT)

261 Also remember that Islam is massively out-breeding America. And these Islamic countries can only support such high birth rates because of the technology and cash that America and other rich, Western nations give them.

How's it feel to be funding your replacements?

Posted by: huh at November 08, 2010 08:34 PM (QcFbt)

262 And right up to Pearl Harbor the Bund was a vehicle and coverfor Nazi subversion, just as CAIR is for the Islamic variety.
Posted by: Jay Guevara at November 08, 2010 08:30 PM (r9/9u)
Correct on all points. I just think it's amazing that CAIR didn't even stop to formulate a more innocuous-sounding name for itself.

Posted by: stuiec at November 08, 2010 08:38 PM (7AOgy)

263 The amendment says "Sharia Law" not "Islamic Law." If the judge cites the first amendment, the judge will be admitting that Sharia is law based on religion.

Posted by: Holger at November 08, 2010 08:41 PM (V9Q+f)

264 When I start my religion, I'm going to issue Phat-was.
Oklahoma! Where the imam calls out prayers down the plain
Where we stone the whores in pink chadors
Where the minaret glistens in the rain
BOOOOOOOOOMER SOONER!

Posted by: Big Fat Meanie at November 08, 2010 08:42 PM (DPM1U)

265 Correct on all points. I just think it's amazing that CAIR didn't even stop to formulate a more innocuous-sounding name for itself.
We don't know what the alternatives were. Councilfor Grinding the Infidels Underfoot with Their Own Laws by Conning Dumbshit Liberals into Supporting Us was probably in there.

Posted by: Jay Guevara at November 08, 2010 08:43 PM (r9/9u)

266 Dammit, I got the meter wrong.

Posted by: Big Fat Meanie at November 08, 2010 08:44 PM (DPM1U)

267 I'm going to be fucking SICK
seriously.
Thisenemy judgeneeds her career unexpectedly shortened (lawfully, in case anyone's in a reporting-to-the-FBI mood).

Posted by: Truman North at November 08, 2010 08:44 PM (HLGCA)

268 And that excess Islamic population is what feeds the growing Islamic population in American and Europe.

So Muslims breed like rabbits and run out of food, so we give them free food. But they keep breeding like rabbits and fighting wars, so we give them refugee status and let them move here. And they keep breeding like rabbits and start organizations like CAIR and commit terrorism against the disgusting infidels who welcomed them -- and we apologize for using the word jihad incorrectly. And we censor our cartoons shows and magazines to avoid offending them.

They keep breeding and pushing, and we keep backing up and apologizing. Which is exactly what Muhammad would have wanted.

Posted by: huh at November 08, 2010 08:45 PM (QcFbt)

269 251 263 by Pelayo I certainly don't want to be confused with my really conservative son.

Posted by: Pelayo at November 08, 2010 08:45 PM (V9Q+f)

270 OK, so if judicial review is so damned important, how come any pissant little tinpot judge can just invalidate a law? Isn't that a little too much power? Hell, even SCOTUS needs 5 idiots to make their decisions stick.
If we're going to have judicial review, then it should only be applied upon appeal to a higher court.
And how the hell do judges get to be the above-it-all rulers with no accountability? They're lawyers. How do you give no accountability to lawyers? Of all the professions to be given a job for life with no oversight, you're going to pick the legal profession? Really?

Posted by: AmishDude at November 08, 2010 08:52 PM (TGYDu)

271 Organizations' names have to tread a fine line, because they serve two purposes: 1) to "pass" among those who don't belong (and thereby to provide cover by letting the argue that the organization is innocuous), and 2) to inform the cognoscenti on QT what their real agenda is.
Look at Communist front organizations' names. National Lawyers' Guild. Up to the last word sounds OK, but "guild" is a tipoff to fellow Reds.
Or, say,"Working Families for Peace and Justice," this last being a formulaic recital among communists. Other Red buzzwords: "Democratic," "Equality," and the one that really pisses me off, because of its brazeness, "American."
So "American Working Families for Peace, Justice, and Equality" is absolutely guaranteed to be a Red front.

Posted by: Jay Guevara at November 08, 2010 08:52 PM (r9/9u)

272 Of course the State could always just say, FU! Keep you highway funds and we will keep the USA. I can't wait for one of the States to call the Feds on their overstepping.

Posted by: Rob in Katy at November 08, 2010 09:03 PM (PiTBB)

273 "Hmm Do we have Jewish Laws here??? Polish??


Catholic laws??


NOPE we have laws of the United States of America."

So, let's see: what law applies to a provision of a will made in OK bequeathing separable and partial interests in a promissory note signed in Texas and made expressly pursuant to the laws of the Republic of Ireland excluding certain specific European Union directives, secured by oil drilled on the high seas and presently in a Chinese-flagged tanker financed by a publicly-traded bank headquartered in Charlotte but incorporated in Delaware whose shares are listed in New York, said oil and said tanker underwritten by insurers in New Orleans, Hartford and Amsterdam, with those insurance policies themselves reinsured partially by Lloyds of London and partially by Swiss Re?

Does an OK court even have jurisdiction, given that most of the testator's assets are in the Cayman Islands and he died mysteriously in a hotel in Hong Kong? And if the OK court HAS jurisdiction, should it still decline to exercise that jurisdiction in favor of a court somewhere else under the doctrine of forum non conveniens?

Not really so simple, eh? Welcome to the world of conflict of laws. That's without even bringing up the interaction of the state-court probate with any related federal bankruptcy proceedings.

Posted by: Dave J. at November 08, 2010 09:10 PM (DCQ0q)

274 Read this over at TAH earlier and I agreed with this comment left over there:

---
"...said that the measure is unnecessary because there is no threat of an Islamic takeover of state courts. Muslims make up only 30,000 of the states nearly 4 million residents less than 1 percent."

Notice that the rationalization was not that even if Muslims made up 100% of the residents, they would never push an Islamic takeover of State courts, it was were too small a minority right now to even push anything.

Thus, this was most definitely needed now as prevention for if/when the Muslim population increases and they start to push their Sharia crap, as they have in every other Western nation when their population is large enough to have such influence.
---

That's exactly right. These Islamic leaders and groups like CAIR have every intention of pushing Shari'a Law here in America. They just know they don't have the numbers to do it yet, as they have in other nations like Canada, London, UK, etc.

Also, we already have Islamic Shari'a by default here in America where CAIR and other groups are consulted for national security matters and how to "reach out to" Muslims, in addition to CAIR and other groups being consulted by Hollywood to make sure they are not being offensive to Muslims in movies or TV, etc.

So this measure was sure as hell necessary to prevent these fother muckers from doing in America what they are doing in London, UK, France, Canada, etc.

Posted by: Clyde Shelton at November 08, 2010 09:26 PM (NITzp)

275 "If this whole thing sounds familiar, see California, circa 2008 in regards to Prop 8."

I just came here to post that - the will of the people be damned, PC judges will overrule us. We can't let this stand.

The inmates are truly running the asylum. And where is our "president"? *crickets*

Posted by: Melinda at November 08, 2010 09:27 PM (oBLJm)

276 Soothsayer's quote in 158 is why Chemjeff is off when he says "the problem isn't islam, it's sharia." Sharia can't be severed from islam, islam commands the rule of sharia.

Posted by: The inexplicable Dr. Julius Strangepork at November 08, 2010 09:28 PM (zxn7N)

277 Are we still going to be Moron Amish? We can add that to the list of things we can do.
Posted by: alexthechick at November 08, 2010 08:02 PM (bQ5xy)
I must've been absent the day this was discussed. I'm down with it.

Posted by: RushBabe at November 08, 2010 10:00 PM (a3Z62)

278 You know, the funny thing is that CAIR is the Council on American-Islamic Relations. As in, America on one side, Islam on the other. As in, according to how they named their own damn group, CAIR views America and Islam as two different worlds.

This. I was going to say something like this, but stuic did and better than I could. By their own words, CAIR does not see themselves as Americans.

Posted by: J. Random Dude at November 08, 2010 10:10 PM (Jnxue)

279 All this goes to show is that you can always find a lawyer in a black robe to say anything, no matter how stupid, if you try hard enough.

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282 I kind of bought it when they said that the Oklahoma resolution was a response to a fabricated/non-existent threat; but, aren't they kind of proving that Sharia Law does threaten state/common law by so fanatically aiming to block the amendment?

Posted by: John S at November 09, 2010 02:08 AM (HIy9D)

283 from post 270:
Notice that the rationalization was not that even if Muslims made up 100% of the residents, they would never push an Islamic takeover of State courts, it was were too small a minority right now to even push anything. ----
Last time I checked, "challenging a measure" would fall under the PUSH category. The second paragraph of the post quotes CNN: "the Council on American-Islamic Relations challenged the measure".
CAIR challenged the measure. Americans voted with a 7-3 result and less than 1% of the population are represented by CAIR. What am I missing?
Oh, yeah, the liberal judge.

Posted by: elspeth at November 09, 2010 06:21 AM (Qxm7Y)

284 A will has to comply with the rules of Oklahoma law. If it does not is should not be held valid regardless of whether it complies with Sharia law. If a will complied with Mosaic law (Jewish law) but did not comply with Oklahoma law, I would likewise say no court should enforce it in Oklahoma either. How about divorces or wife beatings? Should Oklahoma allow divorces that don't comply with its laws but are ok under Sharia law? Like saying three times to the wife 'I divorce you?' Again, the Court should give no credence to Sharia law to the extent that it violates Oklahoma law. Same with muslims' acceptance of the husband's right to beat his wife (or wives). If not permitted by Oklahoma law, judges should not permit it.

Posted by: eaglewingz08 at November 09, 2010 07:02 AM (tpGp1)

285 BTW, I know you all are going to be surprised that the Judge is African American and a Clinton appointee. Who'd have ever thunk that? Activist judge + african american + liberal democrat appointed activist african american judge.

Posted by: eaglewingz08 at November 09, 2010 07:05 AM (tpGp1)

286 Gosh, humans sure can be annoying.

First they bitch and moan about church and state - then they throw a fit when you try to enforce the exclusion of religion based laws.

Whatever.

Posted by: oh, Hi Mark at November 09, 2010 08:56 AM (dp9VJ)

287 All the Oklahoma law says is that that state will adhere to our federal and state laws and no other laws will be considered. What is so hard for this judge to understand? Does she get her orders from the DOJ and Obama? If these muslims don't like our laws then let them go back to the countries they came from whereShariah Lawis the law of that land. Our laws are the laws of this land and we will not change them for these people who purportedly cameto this countryto have a better life. They cannot have a better life under Shariah law. This is a nation of laws not of men and that cannot be changed. They are doing this in the European countries and getting away with it. All this makes me think they did not come here for a better life but to colonize. I'll bet we have areas of this country that are no go areas...what with the muslims in their ghettos, the blacks in theirs and the drug runners on the borders. This president and his lap dogs in the DOJ are trying to destroy this country and are making a lot of headway. I wonder if CAIR knows or cares how much resentment they are fostering? Then again, maybe that is their object.

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