O'Donnell, Who Lost By 17 Points, Still Sending Out Press Releases Attacking People

O'Donnell didn't cost us one seat; she cost us three. Chalk Rossi's and Buck's loss up to her as well.

But here's O'Donnell saying it wasn't her "standing up for principle" that cost her the election, but shady machinations against her.

I also agree it wasn't "principle" that cost her the election. I think it had more to do with the fact that 1, she wasn't bright (at all), 2, she had no accomplishments whatsoever (and yes, people do want to know someone's actually done something to earn the right to be one of 100 in the Senate), 3, she had a series of bizarre statements from her past ("mice with fully functioning human brains"), and 4, she couldn't articulate a conservative message in a way that sounded appealing or intelligent.

And 5 -- I want a strict accounting of how her campaign donations were spent. Know what I mean? I'd like to know if any money was squirreled away for "future campaigns."

Although, yeah, 6, her bright-red right positions of course were a drag in blue Delaware. I think a Joe Miller type or Sean Bielat would have had a chance to sell such a message even in blue state -- as either easily passes the hurdles of credibility and seriousness -- but even for a strong candidate, you can still lose when you're advocating positions the constituents just don't agree with. As Bielat lost, and as Miller will almost certainly lose.

Those were good candidates I endorse rolling the dice with.

But, on the other hand, a candidate who begins in a hole due to serious questions about credibility and qualifications and whose positions are in disagreement with the majority of people she would presume to represent? That right there is the difference between a race that could have been won and a blow-out.


Christine ODonnell Fires Back at GOP on Today Show
Refusing to back down and calling out the political establishment


NEW YORK, NY Former recent Delaware senatorial candidate and Tea
Party favorite Christine ODonnell took a bold stance in a pointed
interview on NBCs Today Show.

Host Meredith Veiera challenged Ms. ODonnell with a litany of tough
questions, asking if Sarah Palin failed her and if Ms. ODonnells
principled campaign cost the GOP seats in her election and others down
ballot. Undaunted, ODonnell fired back at the Delaware and national
GOP establishment with the truth behind the campaign.

ODonnell explained how GOP insiders maneuvered to undermine her
campaign from day one. According to ODonnell, the beltway political
class joined forces with the Delaware GOP to silence the voice of the
people. In ODonnells view, it was not her insistence on principle
which caused her loss, but the refusal of the political ruling class
to fully support her, who could not forgive ODonnell for soundly
defeating their hand-picked, establishment candidate - Mike Castle -
in the primary, ODonnell continued. Castle never did endorse
ODonnell upon her win, which is an unusual public rebuke, even after
a rancorous primary.

Without party backing, ODonnells campaign claims they had to build
the get out the vote effort from scratch in just six short weeks,
ultimately costing her the election. ODonnell told Veiera, however,
the backroom machinations went much farther. Washington D.C.
political insiders undermined her campaign, including Karl Rove, Vice
President and former Delaware Senator Joe Biden, and according to some
even the White House.

Faced with such powerful foes, ODonnell remained committed to what
she described as giving a voice to the voiceless. Standing up for
the political interests of everyday Delawareans, like the farmers and
workers who make the state great. She concluded the interview,
assuring Delaware that she will continue her fight to represent small
government, lower taxes, and the traditional values that make America
strong.

Posted by: Ace at 12:52 PM



Comments

1 Walk ten paces, turn, and fire!

Posted by: WalrusRex at November 05, 2010 12:53 PM (cf4iO)

2 Bye.

Posted by: Herr Morgenholz at November 05, 2010 12:53 PM (5aa4z)

3 But, but..!
Tea Party!

Posted by: Bat Chain Puller at November 05, 2010 12:53 PM (SCcgT)

4 Hopefully, we can put all this shit behind us for 2012 when the Mayans say we're all fucked.

Posted by: EC at November 05, 2010 12:54 PM (mAhn3)

5 Ace, I hope you're ready for the blowback on this one.

Let the "true conservative" zealotry flow forth like so much water throwugh a sluicegate!

Posted by: Lou at November 05, 2010 12:55 PM (ouqyQ)

6 <<<she had no accomplishments whatsoever (and yes, people do want to know someone's actually done something to earn the right to be one of 100 in the Senate), >>>

In contradistinction to the long resume of our President.
But anyway, enough is enough. Just like she wanted Castle to pipe down after he lost, it's now her turn.

Posted by: Jaihawkk at November 05, 2010 12:55 PM (A9nQ1)

7 o-hell

Posted by: willow at November 05, 2010 12:55 PM (iAu/o)

8 Dead horse. Stick. Some assembly required.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at November 05, 2010 12:55 PM (9Cooa)

9 My God. Friendly fire.

Posted by: the chicken at November 05, 2010 12:55 PM (S5YRY)

10 The Airing of Grievances and Feats of Strength Part II?
A Festivus Miracle indeed!

Posted by: laceyunderalls at November 05, 2010 12:55 PM (iPmsg)

11 I hate this sore loser crap. Supposing she WAS considering a possible political career...doesn't this garbage burn all her bridges?

Posted by: Nigel at November 05, 2010 12:55 PM (l30lK)

12 It's about time.

Once again, let me shout it from the rooftops: Fuck Christine O'Donnell.

The ones who keep supporting her, even now? Yeah, they can go jump off a pier too.

Posted by: Jeff B. at November 05, 2010 12:56 PM (NjYDy)

13 O'Donnell didn't cost us one seat; she cost us three. Chalk Rossi's and Buck's loss up to her as well.

So O'Donnell's loss is her fault, but Rossi's and Buck's losses aren't Rossi's fault and Buck's fault, respectively? Or, their not the fault of Rossi's State electorate or Buck's State electorate, respectively?

And to think if the Delaware GOP had just given the GOP-electorate in Delaware a better candidate than DIABLO Mike Castle, this could have all been avoided.

But, yeah, let's put all the blame on O'Donnell. Oy...

Posted by: Clyde Shelton at November 05, 2010 12:56 PM (NITzp)

14 Hey, thanks again, Ace! You really went the extra mile for me.

Posted by: mike castle at November 05, 2010 12:56 PM (K/USr)

15 Someone is going to vote for me on I'm going to cut your throat!

Posted by: Christine O'Donnell at November 05, 2010 12:56 PM (IhQuA)

16 The Airing of Grievances and Feats of Strength Part II?
A Festivus Miracle indeed!

Posted by: laceyunderalls at November 05, 2010 12:55 PM (iPmsg)
LMAO!

Posted by: Tami at November 05, 2010 12:56 PM (VuLos)

17 In before the nuclear exchange starts.

And... out again!

Posted by: Y-not at November 05, 2010 12:56 PM (UcOiF)

18 Posted by: laceyunderalls at November 05, 2010 12:55 PM (iPmsg)
Unfortunate hash! Damn.

Posted by: laceyunderalls at November 05, 2010 12:56 PM (iPmsg)

19 Posted by: Jaihawkk at November 05, 2010 12:55 PM (A9nQ1)


Have to say, despite my full-throated support of COD, I think it is time for her to just fade away. This does us no good and is just ammo for the enemy.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at November 05, 2010 12:57 PM (9Cooa)

20 You know that moratorium on COD/Coons posts you were considering before the election. Well, I think its time.

Posted by: JP at November 05, 2010 12:57 PM (8s9tr)

21 Fire up the hate machine.

Posted by: ErikW at November 05, 2010 12:57 PM (pfVEX)

22 check's in the mail, bro

Posted by: Karl the Undertaker Rove at November 05, 2010 12:57 PM (K/USr)

23 "O'Donnell didn't cost us one seat; she cost us three. Chalk Rossi's and Buck's loss up to her as well."

Thank you.

Posted by: KillTruck at November 05, 2010 12:57 PM (/LSt4)

24 I don't think she had anything to do with Rossi or Buck losing, but she needs to go away now.

Posted by: Dr. Spank at November 05, 2010 12:57 PM (Y81Xa)

25 cue the army of dunces...

Posted by: Palinisto! at November 05, 2010 12:57 PM (LrfiV)

26 But, yeah, let's put all the blame on O'Donnell. Oy...

O'Donnell allowed the media to easily paint all tea party candidates as loons. I think 3 is a conservative number. She probably cost us a few house seats as well.

Posted by: lorien1973 at November 05, 2010 12:57 PM (IhQuA)

27 According to ODonnell, the beltway political class joined forces with the Delaware GOP to silence the voice of the people.

17 points? Seems 'the people' spoke pretty loud and clear.

How is this excuse making any different from Obama's 'you're too stupid to know what's good for' shtick?

Posted by: DrewM. at November 05, 2010 12:57 PM (HicGG)

28 15 Someone is going to vote for me on I'm going to cut your throat!
Posted by: Christine O'Donnell at November 05, 2010 12:56 PM (IhQuA)


Alright, let's not GO DOWN that road in this thread!

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at November 05, 2010 12:57 PM (9Cooa)

29 Please tell me your blog is available in 2012.

Posted by: Olympia Snowe at November 05, 2010 12:58 PM (K/USr)

30 As I was raining blows upon her, I realized there had to be a better way.

Posted by: Frank Costanza at November 05, 2010 12:58 PM (RWtqz)

31 Unfortunate hash! Damn.

BWAHAHAHHAAHAHA

Posted by: Moron who refuses to take part in another COD thread but thinks thats funny at November 05, 2010 12:58 PM (5aa4z)

32 Bitch just shut up!

Posted by: Sarah at November 05, 2010 12:58 PM (pUO5u)

33 By the way, you know what I'm REALLY not in the mood for? People saying "oh noes, this is so divisive, you have to stop this!"

I'm glad to see that Christine O'Donnell's supporters care so much about divisiveness now. Now that it doesn't actually matter. No...they just want to be shielded from facing the consequences of their immense fuckup.

"I'm on a RINO-hunt with Mark Levin!"

Posted by: Jeff B. at November 05, 2010 12:58 PM (NjYDy)

34 Let loose the hounds.

Posted by: SlaveDog at November 05, 2010 12:59 PM (foEpt)

35 Now, now, I don't think she lost CO.and WA.. She lost DE. The place where a Ton of money was spent foolishly was CA The money spent there would have been better spent in WA. and CO. She should shut up now . Polls were really skewed though, especially Rasmussen.

Posted by: Donna at November 05, 2010 12:59 PM (DhK9/)

36 and yes, people do want to know someone's actually done something
to earn the right to be one of 100 in the Senate),

Although evidently not having actually done anything is regarded by people as being sufficient to be President of the United States.
I understand now.

Posted by: LeBron Steinman at November 05, 2010 12:59 PM (AVgRt)

37 Ace, you might want to read election law if you think there is any way to keep eligible candidates off the primary ballot by force. Or to keep Delaware voters from voting for her.

Posted by: Oldcat at November 05, 2010 12:59 PM (z1N6a)

38 I don't mind COD giving this interview and bringing up salient points (and you can all blame the Vichy Right and GOP for problems down-ballot). I'd much rather have Rove stop showing up on TV, t hough. He hurts conservativism with every word that spill,s out of his mouth. You would think, with the record of absolute destruction that Rove has, that he would be too embarrassed to offer anyone political advice.

Posted by: A Pissed-Off American at November 05, 2010 01:00 PM (n98P0)

39 OT :
Ace -
Please check this out.

Posted by: garrett at November 05, 2010 01:00 PM (LrfiV)

40 Oh here we fucking go. She cost us three seats now?
You co-cloggers went all-in on Bielat, Angle, and Miller (obviously one of those is house) and you're gonna blame her for messing up The Grand Strategy?
Tell me I'm missing the sarcasm.

Posted by: Burn the Witch at November 05, 2010 01:00 PM (fLHQe)

41 I don't think she had anything to do with Rossi or Buck losing, but she needs to go away now.


Posted by: Dr. Spank at November 05, 2010 12:57 PM (Y81Xa)
Maybe COD really is a witch, since she apparently made Rossi lose two or three times so far.

Posted by: Oldcat at November 05, 2010 01:01 PM (z1N6a)

42 Can we start the fight over how the Marxist winning this seat is better than the RINO? Anyone?

Posted by: tinkerbella at November 05, 2010 01:01 PM (X5ND9)

43 8
Dead horse. Stick. Some assembly required.
ITA.

Posted by: Miss'80sBaby at November 05, 2010 01:01 PM (Yq+qN)

44 Once again, let me shout it from the rooftops: Fuck Christine O'Donnell.

I like how liberating that sounds. It's quite comforting. She almost cost us Pennsylvania, and she almost certainly cost us Connecticut's governorship, which we will ultimately lose, and Minnesota, which we will ultimately lose.

Christine, it's time to leave. Just like McCain, you get our support until you lose.

Angle, too. "Second Amendment remedies?" Are we a bunch of morons? (Don't answer that one.)

Posted by: Lou at November 05, 2010 01:01 PM (ouqyQ)

45 Oh.......my.......gawd.

Posted by: pajama momma at November 05, 2010 01:01 PM (/Czjb)

46 Call me when this is over. I'll be in the reeky snatch thread.

Posted by: The Mega Indepedent at November 05, 2010 01:01 PM (CVNye)

47 Y'know... I think she's responsible for Reid's win, too.
And probably for Obama winning, as well.
You've got something here.

Posted by: 12thMonkey at November 05, 2010 01:01 PM (fZzaW)

48 I contributed to her and supported her but she just needs to go away now. She's an embarrassment.

We need to select better candidates. Clearly, holding conservative views can't be enough anymore. We need people who can articulate and teach consveratism like Chris Christie and Marco Rubio.

Posted by: Kronos at November 05, 2010 01:01 PM (speVh)

49 I think it had more to do with the fact that 1, she wasn't bright (at all), 2, she had no accomplishments whatsoever
Yeah - I mean I voted present dozens of time in the state Senate before I became Federal Senator and then President.

Posted by: Barack Obama at November 05, 2010 01:02 PM (bgcml)

50 .... so?

She'd not good for nothing ...I'd still do her

Posted by: mark x at November 05, 2010 01:02 PM (ExizH)

51 Your 5 criteria would empty Washington. Oh. That's a good thing.

Posted by: Stosh2 at November 05, 2010 01:02 PM (6FGVd)

52 She was a terrible candidate who has accomplished nothing of merit in her life but winning a primary.
she wasn't the hill to die upon.
And before I get the "You're a squish" shit. I am as conservative as any of you, and I want whats best for America and the party as much as you do.
I love conservatism as much as any of you. I hate McCain Graham and the rest, but I can say that COD was a terrible candidate.
Had a reasonable conservative run against castle I would have supported them. Castle was simply the best of two really shitty options.

Posted by: Ben at November 05, 2010 01:03 PM (wuv1c)

53 O'Donnell didn't cost us one seat; she cost us three. Chalk Rossi's and Buck's loss up to her as well.
Or maybe all those fence sitters coming to AoSHQ and finding pictures of an Ewok declaring his sex-love for sombody's spoo garbage.
So long as where making shit up.

Posted by: Dr. Heinz Doofenshmirtz at November 05, 2010 01:03 PM (Bs34i)

54 Apparently Mike Castle's cock tastes great. I mean you got a bunch of folks here who keep sucking away at that thing and just won't stop.

Posted by: GMan at November 05, 2010 01:03 PM (sxq57)

55 We would probably get all of this out now rather than later. I'm going to sit this chapter out. Laters.

Posted by: SurferDoc at November 05, 2010 01:03 PM (RKpGM)

56 You know what I'm also fucking done with. People accusing Ace -- or DrewM, or anyone with a brain who expresses objections to C'OD and the moronic indifference to political realities she represents -- of being RINOs, or fake conservatives, or somehow 'unworthy' of the base. You can see it at least 10 times already on this thread. That is the argument of someone who is intellectually bankrupt and cannot offer a rebuttal based on the facts. It is the debate equivalent of 'pounding the table' and calling someone names after you realize you've lost on the substance.

Posted by: Jeff B. at November 05, 2010 01:03 PM (NjYDy)

57 O/T As much as I love the space progarm, anyone else think we should retire the remaining orbiters for good?
Or for that matter, NASA?

Posted by: ErikW at November 05, 2010 01:03 PM (pfVEX)

58 Why are Ace and Drew hell bent on reminding everyone that they got suckered into supporting Mike "Arlen Specter Jr" Castle before they knew anything about him?

Posted by: Things that don't make much sense at November 05, 2010 01:04 PM (K/USr)

59 I think she cost the Rangers the World Series.

Posted by: Dr. Spank at November 05, 2010 01:04 PM (Y81Xa)

60 Christine O'Donnell is responsible for cancer.

Posted by: Burn the Witch at November 05, 2010 01:04 PM (fLHQe)

61 If we are going to play the what if game, what if Rush had promoted Buck and/or Miller after they won their primaries the way he promoted COD? Was he just stirring the pot to gain attention or what? And yes with 20/20 hindsight Norton would have been a better choice in CO. The Markey/Gardner house race showed that a dem who voted for health care pretending any GOP candidate was a big spender, etc would have fallen flat. OTOH the GOP establishment in CO was proven to be pretty stupid with their handling of the governors race.

Posted by: Palerider at November 05, 2010 01:04 PM (yH15j)

62 Ace, O' Donnell's loss is O' Donnell's fault. Blaming Rossi's loss on her is a fucking joke. I live here in Kingcountyistan and Rossi's loss is Rossi's fucking fault. I am never voting for or contributing to a squish again.
Rossi spent 2/3 of his campaign in eastern washington where the majority always votes republican so he won 60% instead of 58% in a county with 8,000 people. Nice plan.
Meanwhile he only won 34% of the vote in King County. He didn't campaign here and ran uninspiring ads that were the same as the ones he ran in 2004 and 2008. In 2008 he won 40% of the vote in King County in spite of the Obama wave because he campaigned here.
I voted for a squish again because I thought he could win. Guess what, he couldn't.
Never again.

Posted by: robtr at November 05, 2010 01:04 PM (hVDig)

63 1500 comments or bust.

Posted by: Cicero at November 05, 2010 01:04 PM (QKKT0)

64 At first I was disappointed in Christine, but she is just a ditsty, media whore. Now, I'm more disappointed in some of these new-fangled, The-Republican-Party-Sucks talking heads, especially the ones who have been parroting GOP talking points for the last decade and excoriated anyone from questioning GOP orthodoxy and promoting disunity, and yeah I'm looking at you Rush and Sean. You guys do know you look like idiots right now.

Posted by: swamp_yankee at November 05, 2010 01:04 PM (3DIBw)

65
In contradistinction to the long resume of our President.
And you voted for Obama I assume?

Posted by: Ben at November 05, 2010 01:04 PM (wuv1c)

66 O'Donnell didn't cost us one seat; she cost us three. Chalk Rossi's and Buck's loss up to her as well.
Interesting assertion, dubious at best it seems to me. I won't speak for WA but Buck had plenty of issues of his own. He was outspent, made some unforced errors, and was the victim of a poorly managed Gov race. I think an incompetent Senate candidate 2000 miles away influencing many voters in COis a stretch.
Agree with everything else as far are Crazy Train goes.
All in all, I'd rather be in WV with a knife to my throat than discuss this issue further. Heh.

Posted by: Delta Smelt at November 05, 2010 01:04 PM (AZWim)

67 Christine O'Donnell is responsible for 9.6% unemployment, the creepy weirdo. Blame the witch!
Hey, I like this.

Posted by: Preznit Barkolounger at November 05, 2010 01:04 PM (n98P0)

68 pajama mamma, yer still a dirty baby breeder.

Posted by: willow at November 05, 2010 01:04 PM (iAu/o)

69
You are right, she needs to go away now. She had her shot, and she blew it pretty bad. And whatever her excuses, it is her job to overcome them.

That said, one big thing she was facing that neither Miller nor Beliat faced was, frankly, sexism. Conservative women are derided in an illogical and reactionary way by people left of center (and sometimes even right of center, oddly enough). From Thatcher to Palin, I am beginning to be surprised (and disgusted) by this trend.

Posted by: dan-O at November 05, 2010 01:05 PM (bRLuD)

70 Why are Ace and Drew hell bent on reminding everyone
that they got suckered into supporting Mike "Arlen Specter Jr" Castle
before they knew anything about him?

Posted by: Things that don't make much sense at November 05, 2010 01:04 PM (K/USr)
The witch put a hex on them to make them do it.

Posted by: Oldcat at November 05, 2010 01:05 PM (z1N6a)

71 Can this witch please just go away?

Yes, you lost. By a fuckton. You were only the nominee because the Great Republican Primary Voter (TM) decided that a dead RINO was worth Sen. Bearded Marxist. That's TGRPV's choice, I don't think it was the right one but whatever. Just go away so we can quit the friendly fire for a week at least.

Posted by: Whatever at November 05, 2010 01:05 PM (IDBTs)

72 Most of us here had no say in her candidacy.The Republicans in DE. choose her. However, once she was the candidate, I backed her.Same with Miller, Angle and Mc Mahan.Were they the best choice? Obviously not, but that's the way elections go. You win some you lose some. This time around we won a lot. I'm happy with that until 2012.

Posted by: Donna at November 05, 2010 01:05 PM (DhK9/)

73 I also agree it wasn't "principle" that cost her the election. I think it had more to do with the fact that 1, she wasn't bright (at all), 2, she had no accomplishments whatsoever (and yes, people do want to know someone's actually done something to earn the right to be one of 100 in the Senate), 3, she had a series of bizarre statements from her past ("mice with fully functioning human brains"), and 4, she couldn't articulate a conservative message in a way that sounded appealing or intelligent.

Right then!

O'Donnell 2012!

Posted by: CoolCzech at November 05, 2010 01:05 PM (tJjm/)

74 O'Donnell allowed the media to easily paint all tea party candidates as loons. I think 3 is a conservative number. She probably cost us a few house seats as well.

Posted by: lorien1973 at November 05, 2010 12:57 PM

Granting your premise, why was O'Donnell even in the campaign? Because of the Delaware-GOP supporting DIABLO Mike Castle, which the GOP-electorate in Delaware rejected. All the Delware-GOP had to do was put up a better candidate than Castle and all this is avoided.

O'Donnell was a bad candidate. But I think people are missing the root cause of the loss: Mike Castle. The Delaware GOP-electorate obviously wanted someone better than Castle. They were so desperate, they got behind a newbie, and a bad newbie at that. Castle was that bad in the eyes of the GOP-electorate there.

Lesson: Delaware-GOP needs to give their electorate a better candidate to prevent the necessity for people stepping up to primary the bad GOP candidates.

Also, if people voting for other candidates (Rossi & Buck) are making their decisions based on their opinions of completely different candidates, then I'd say that falls on the fault of (1) the different candidates who were not strong enough and (2) the people voting who are easily swayed by things irrelevant to their voting choice.

Posted by: Clyde Shelton at November 05, 2010 01:06 PM (NITzp)

75 Oh fuck me gently with a chainsaw, C O'D is now responsible for Harry Reid's victory?



Posted by: Lincolntf at November 05, 2010 01:06 PM (V/C0X)

76 I also agree it wasn't "principle" that cost her the election. I think
it had more to do with the fact that 1, she wasn't bright (at all), 2,
she had no accomplishments whatsoever (and yes, people do want to know
someone's actually done something to earn the right to be one of
100 in the Senate), 3, she had a series of bizarre statements from her
past ("mice with fully functioning human brains"), and 4, she couldn't
articulate a conservative message in a way that sounded appealing or
intelligent.

Remember, this is the state that sent Joe Biden to Washington. Aside, from 3, what in your comments cannot be applied to Sheriff Joe?

Posted by: BeckoningChasm at November 05, 2010 01:06 PM (bvfVF)

77 Most of us here had no say in her candidacy.The
Republicans in DE. choose her. However, once she was the candidate, I
backed her.Same with Miller, Angle and Mc Mahan.Were they the best
choice? Obviously not, but that's the way elections go. You win some you
lose some. This time around we won a lot. I'm happy with that until
2012.

Posted by: Donna at November 05, 2010 01:05 PM (DhK9/)
hey, she's making sense in a COD thread. Is that allowed?

Posted by: Oldcat at November 05, 2010 01:07 PM (z1N6a)

78

Oh here we fucking go. She cost us three seats now?

Yeah - COD ran a bad campaign and lost. I don't see how you can chalk up every other close loss we had to her.

And yeah, the media focused on COD. But if they hadn't they would have just found someone else who has ever said or done something silly and focus on it.

With the way the State Media works we will never have perfect candidates. Even if there candidate has no screwups, the State Media will just make them up out of whole cloth, meanwhile ignoring the antics of their Democrats.
A better use of our time is questioning why the State Media spend so much time finding a target - COD, Craig, Foley, etc - meanwhile ignoring Alvin Green, Eric Massa, the Sestak scandal, etc...

Posted by: 18-1 at November 05, 2010 01:07 PM (bgcml)

79 Yeah, because the GOP establishment is full of geniuses.

Posted by: andycanuck at November 05, 2010 01:07 PM (eQPq+)

80 Look people. Understand this. O'Donnell became the face of the Tea Party in many swing states.
This hurt us, not helped us.
I don't get why anyone is still defending her at this point. She lost. She was a bad candidate as evidenced by the election.
Spare us the lines about karl rove, the media, etc. That didn't cause her to lose by 16 points. She was weak sauce.
If you want to say having Coons in is better than a squish like Castle, fine that is a legitimate argument, but don't go and claim she was some good candidate

Posted by: Ben at November 05, 2010 01:07 PM (wuv1c)

81 My sales have been a little off the last three months damnit,and nowI know why.
Will she stop at nothing to destroy us all?

Posted by: Roadking at November 05, 2010 01:07 PM (It/63)

82 Might as well repost what I wrote in the other thread, since it turned out to be prescient:

What's Ace going to do, write up a post explaining how the base needs
to be more careful and intelligent when it comes to selecting their
candidates? I know how he feels. A
mega-super-once-in-a-generation Democratic destruction was possible for
us, giving us Senate seats we would have no right to take otherwise (WA,
DE, the Senate Majority leader's seat)....and we blew it. Hard to see
what Dino Rossi could've done differently (he was a great candidate who
ran a tough, good campaign), but DE and NV and CO and even maybe the
IL-GOV sting like a motherfucker right now. The massive Congressional
and statehouse pickups are far more important for the future (2010
Redistricting = Doom For Dems), but those Senate seats HURT.I
mean, Michael fucking BENNET was reelected. Michael Bennet. A complete
nobody. Because we had to go and nominate Ken Buck, who blew it over
and over in that race. Jane Norton held all the exact same positions as
Ken Buck, but she was a little more safe and boring...and electable.
Gee, I guess I wish we'd nominated her instead.
To be fair to
Buck, however, I don't think he ran a campaign nearly as awful as Angle
or as dishonest as O'Donnell. He was just the weaker candidate. But
it still stings. Why does CO keep slipping away from us?

Posted by: Jeff B. at November 05, 2010 01:07 PM (NjYDy)

83 Kronos, yes.

O'Donnell wasn't merely weak; she was an embarrassment. She hurt the cause.

I never really got agitated about Angle because she was merely weak. (I would not have nominated her, but I can't get upset if people want to nominate a merely weak candidate to send some kind of message (and by the way what "message" has been sent with these losses?))

O'Donnell was a walking disaster and I tried to tell people but they wouldn't listen. It was all just "True Conservatism." No one would listen to the point that it isn't just about ideology.

I don't think most people knew who O'Donnell was, but *I* did. I had seen her on TV. I knew she was a dolt. I told people "she will not wear well."

She didn't.

I understand the need to sort of discount the advice of "The Establishment." Discount, yes, but ignore?

People like me were hitting the RED ALERT alarm on O'Donnell. I did not go into RED ALERT mode over nothing at all.

If someone -- even in the maligned Establishment -- is BEGGING you to consider things, please, at least CONSIDER things.

There is a reason we "elitists" all went berserk on this one, and did not go berserk on Angle or Buck (and supported Toomey, Rubio, etc.)

There was a big difference here.

Being skeptical of "The Establishment" and "elitsts" should not, I think, translate into simply ignoring them altogether and calling them liars and etc.

If that's the case, then there is no point communicating.

Posted by: ace at November 05, 2010 01:07 PM (nj1bB)

84 "mice with fully functioning human brains"

Well, wouldn't those be Reid and Pelosi?

Posted by: CoolCzech at November 05, 2010 01:07 PM (tJjm/)

85 OT: KTRH just allowed a strong opinion about Nidal Hasan on the air, which was pleasantly surprising. (Allowing the opinion = pleasantly surprising.)

Posted by: Miss'80sBaby at November 05, 2010 01:07 PM (Yq+qN)

86 The core problem was lack of conservative depth on the bench. Those 680+ new state legislators elected under this fiscal conservative landslide are our farm team. What Delaware needed was someone other then Castle; a little life experience, no silly baggage -- but they (if he or she exists) didn't post. We need to make sure the guys in Washington now, know that it won't crazy witches coming after them in 2012, but real hellhounds.

Posted by: Jean at November 05, 2010 01:08 PM (HKVGZ)

87 So:

Is no seat better than a RINO?




Try to replace Michael Steele?





Primary Snowe, Collins, and Brown?




Please discuss.

Posted by: Guy who likes to fan the flames at November 05, 2010 01:08 PM (8s9tr)

88 Preach it, bra

Posted by: Bill Maher at November 05, 2010 01:08 PM (K/USr)

89 Fuck this goddamn nonsense.

Posted by: Kerry's iPhone at November 05, 2010 01:08 PM (+secL)

90 Odonell sure has some power, to have us still biting eachothers ankles days later
must be cuz she's a witch.

Posted by: willow at November 05, 2010 01:08 PM (iAu/o)

91 O'Donnell 2012!

Posted by: CoolCzech at November 05, 2010 01:05 PM (tJjm/)
well, if she decides to run, and DE republicans vote for her in the primary again, that's what you'll have.
Its that annoying Democracy thing.

Posted by: Oldcat at November 05, 2010 01:08 PM (z1N6a)

92 O'Donnell/Greene 2012. I foresee a whole line of Wizard of Oz action figures.

Posted by: Cicero at November 05, 2010 01:08 PM (QKKT0)

93 O'Donnell didn't cost us one seat; she cost us three. Chalk Rossi's and Buck's loss up to her as well.

Delaware has three Senate seats?

I must have missed that constitutional amendment somewhere.

That aside..

Drew, this is how a 'recriminations' post should look like.

55
We would probably get all of this out now rather than later. I'm going to sit this chapter out. Laters.



Posted by: SurferDoc

I'm going with you.

Posted by: Dave C at November 05, 2010 01:08 PM (poJjg)

94 She is apparently not the only one who can't let it go.

Posted by: MissTammy at November 05, 2010 01:08 PM (m8uUu)

95 Can we start the fight over how the Marxist winning this seat is better than the RINO? Anyone?
Better the devil you know, I always say.

Posted by: Beelzebub Smith at November 05, 2010 01:08 PM (a3Z62)

96 For the record, I'd rather have a practicing witch married to her pet mouse w/fully functioning brain in the Senate than a bearded Marxist that worships Che Gueverra and Mao.

Posted by: CoolCzech at November 05, 2010 01:09 PM (tJjm/)

97 "I think a Joe Miller type or Sean Bielat would have had a chance to sell such a message even in blue state -- as either easily passes the hurdles of credibility and seriousness -- but even for a strong candidate, you can still lose when you're advocating positions the constituents just don't agree with. As Bielat lost, and as Miller will almost certainly lose'
Jesus, Mary, Joseph and the donkey.
I wanted to be surprised that we're back to this, but I'm not.
Your assertion is that Joe Miller would be viable in a blue state (more so than O'Donnell) even as you acknowledge the fact that he's losing in a red state.

Walk back five paces, and look at that. When you're finished, please note that Mike Castle decided to re-enter the fray at the event designed to facilitate reconciliation (Return Day) and defended Tom Ross, the State GOP leader here, and attacked her. Again. As he was doing this, she at least managed to ride in a carriage alongside Coons without causing a riot, which is more than most of the cobloggers can claim.
I cannot wait to hear how we are to approach (if at all) the next open seat in a blue state or better still, how we (if at all) deal with Lindsay Graham or the Maine sisters. We will be telling SC and ME Republicans to learn their place? If not, why not?

Posted by: Blue Hen at November 05, 2010 01:09 PM (R2fpr)

98 I talked my lawyer and we decided (again) that conservatism promotes sexism and that my conservative critics are sexist. This blog is sexist and is causing me severe emotional distress. Therefore, I am distributing a press release that I am suing Ace for 7 million dollars.

Posted by: Christine O'Donnell at November 05, 2010 01:09 PM (3DIBw)

99 26
But, yeah, let's put all the blame on O'Donnell. Oy...O'Donnell
allowed the media to easily paint all tea party candidates as loons. I
think 3 is a conservative number. She probably cost us a few house seats
as well.

Seems to me you're saying the problem is the media. If the problem is the media, let's fix the problem.

Posted by: BeckoningChasm at November 05, 2010 01:09 PM (bvfVF)

100 Not to mention the fact that she caused some to question Dr. Krauthammer's conservative bona fides. Anybody want to defend that?

Posted by: Pepper at November 05, 2010 01:09 PM (gs3Z8)

101 mice with fully functioning human brains" Well, wouldn't those be Reid and Pelosi?
Posted by: CoolCzech at November 05, 2010 01:07 PM (tJjm/)
Um, "fully" functioning.

Posted by: Cicero at November 05, 2010 01:09 PM (QKKT0)

102 I'm pretty sure what did Rossi in was, um, being Rossi. He lost the same way he did...what, twice before?

As for Buck, I can't speak as to that situation, so I'll leave that issue for those more knowledgeable to snipe about.

Posted by: DarkLordOfTheIntarWebs at November 05, 2010 01:09 PM (GBXon)

103 I talked my lawyer and we decided (again) that conservatism promotes sexism and that my conservative critics are sexist. This blog is sexist and is causing me severe emotional distress. Therefore, I am suing Ace for 7 million dollars.

Posted by: Christine O'Donnell at November 05, 2010 01:09 PM (3DIBw)

104 79
Yeah, because the GOP establishment
is full of geniuses.

Pete Sessions hasn't given a good reason for this one. I'd like to hear him justify this.

Posted by: Miss'80sBaby at November 05, 2010 01:10 PM (Yq+qN)

105 "33 By the way, you know what I'm REALLY not in the mood for? People saying "oh noes, this is so divisive, you have to stop this!"I'm glad to see that Christine O'Donnell's supporters care so much about divisiveness now. Now that it doesn't actually matter. No...they just want to be shielded from facing the consequences of their immense fuckup."I'm on a RINO-hunt with Mark Levin!"
I'm not in the mood for people saying stupid shit like this ^^.

See how easy that was?

Yeah, give a little essay on Mike Castle's awesome displays of unity before you whine about O'D. Show your work.

Posted by: Burn the Witch at November 05, 2010 01:10 PM (fLHQe)

106 By the way, can I say something about the sainted Mark Levin? Who proclaims himself the Grand Inquisitor of All that is Conservative?

How did his picks do? Angle? O'Donnell? That's right, they flamed out! And when he boosted them and people called them on it, he wrote pusillanimous Facebook posts about "kicking their ass in court." Let's ask Patterico how productive that was.

Screw Mark Levin. If he wants to win a Republican primary, let him register and pay the admission like everyone else.

Posted by: Lou at November 05, 2010 01:10 PM (ouqyQ)

107 O'Donnell didn't cost us one seat; she cost us three.
yeah, that's the ticket. It was Christine ODonnell. beautiful

Posted by: Chairman Maobama at November 05, 2010 01:10 PM (K/USr)

108 Christine O'Donnell = our Alvin Greene.

Posted by: Ben at November 05, 2010 01:10 PM (wuv1c)

109
What a bunch of bullshit.

Hey fucking political genius, if you're so fucking smart why don't you tell us how we can stop Etheridge from stealing Ellmer's victory?


Posted by: Soothsayer at November 05, 2010 01:10 PM (uFokq)

110 Let it go for fucks sake!

Lets focus on what we can win, like Elmers recount.

Posted by: Dan at November 05, 2010 01:10 PM (1jzSs)

111 I doubt she hurt Rossi and Buck enough to cost them their races, but she definitely didn't help. The guy she did almost drag down was Twomey, because Philly stations were covering her 24/7. If Twomey had lost, by less than 20thousand votes, I would defintely blame that on O'Donnell.
I love the Tea Party, writ large. The Tea Party Express, not so much. Was Sue Lowden really such a "RINO" that it was worth giving Dingy Harry an opening?

Posted by: buzz at November 05, 2010 01:11 PM (i27M5)

112 I'm not seeing how she forced Busk to come out and alienate Colorado voters; or his previous ethical issues.

I don't see how you can tie O'Donnell to Buck in any meaningful fashion to link their failures.

Do we blame all the down-ticket Colorado votes on her as well? Did Tancredo lose because Buck voters weren't there because O'Donnell... whatever you're saying? Did we lose the State Senate because of this as well?

Heck maybe we can pin hundreds of election losses on her all at once... I'm not sure why, but if we're going to go full-on blame her for all the ills of the nation; why not?

Posted by: Gekkobear at November 05, 2010 01:11 PM (7TZuc)

113 Just like she wanted Castle to pipe down after he lost, it's now her turn.
Just like some people ought to let a dead horse rest in peace instead of raising it up on its zombie hindquarters over and over and trying to prove how it's race- horse material.

Posted by: Midwestern Nobody at November 05, 2010 01:11 PM (gbCNS)

114 I don't want to put Angle in the same boat as COD. Angle is smart, she was just a lousy politician. She needed to stick on message.
COD was just weak all around.

Posted by: Ben at November 05, 2010 01:11 PM (wuv1c)

115 Why are Ace and Drew hell bent on reminding everyone that they got
suckered into supporting Mike "Arlen Specter Jr" Castle before they knew
anything about him?

Why do you seem to think that this looks like a bad position, in retrospect? Of COURSE they supported Castle over O'Donnell. Castle would've won. O'Donnell LOST BY SIXTEEN FUCKING POINTS. It was a smart position then, it looks like an even smarter one now (because it's been proven irrefutably true: O'Donnell was the loseriest loser that ever lost a loss).

Only a madman, or an ideologue so poisoned with hatred that they can no longer analyze political situations rationally, would put up Ace's support for Castle as something to MAKE FUN OF. You sound like a Cardinal in the Vatican, making fun of Galileo for insisting on the 'idiotic notion' that the earth revolves around the Sun.

Jesus fucking wept.

Posted by: Jeff B. at November 05, 2010 01:11 PM (NjYDy)

116 But, yeah, let's put all the blame on O'Donnell. Oy...O'Donnell
allowed the media to easily paint all tea party candidates as loons. I
think 3 is a conservative number. She probably cost us a few house seats
as well.

Seems to me you're saying the problem is the media. If the problem is the media, let's fix the problem.


Posted by: BeckoningChasm at November 05, 2010 01:09 PM (bvfVF)
The media was calling the Tea Partiers loons months before any candidates were even thought of.

Posted by: Oldcat at November 05, 2010 01:11 PM (z1N6a)

117 ace-hear hear.

There's a big difference between Florida (attractive, experienced (Speaker of the FL House), articulate candidate with a solid family background/personal story) where the RNSC clearly fucked up and Delaware where TGRPV clearly fucked up (if the goal was/is "win a seat").

Posted by: Whatever at November 05, 2010 01:11 PM (sx9hl)

118 We need a good Marbury Vs. Madison thread, too. 'Cause it's never to late to bitch about shit.

Posted by: nickless at November 05, 2010 01:12 PM (MMC8r)

119 (blinks rapidly, holsters gun, waaaaaaalks away)

Posted by: Filly at November 05, 2010 01:12 PM (ZKgLC)

120 Oh.......my.......gawd.

Posted by: pajama momma at November 05, 2010 01:01 PM (/Czjb)
pajama momma all up in mee heed.

Posted by: Editor at November 05, 2010 01:12 PM (pUfK9)

121 2, she he had no accomplishments whatsoever (and yes, people do want to know someone's actually done something to earn the right to be one of 100 in the Senate president)

I guess there are exceptions.

Posted by: profligatewaste at November 05, 2010 01:12 PM (b3rrc)

122 Expect to see yourself excoriated by Mark Levin, Ace...you traitor!

Posted by: Quilly Mammoth at November 05, 2010 01:12 PM (p/o52)

123 It's absurd to blame the Rossi/Buck losses on O'Donnell.

I don't know about Colorado but as a Washington State resident, I blame Rossi's loss on a lackluster candidate who's been relentlessy smeared in two previous statewide races with the charges never effectively countered; a weak state organization; and voters who are so confused as to vote down a state income tax yet vote for Patty "Never Met A Tax She Didn't Like" Murray.

Sure, it would be comforting to blame Rossi's loss O'Donnell but it wouldn't be fair - it would actually be rather Obama-like - and it wouldn't really lead to the kind of changes needed to improve our chances in the future.

Honestly, this is probably the stupidest post I've ever read here.

Posted by: itsonlywords at November 05, 2010 01:12 PM (McpP+)

124 Because yesterday's bajillion comment clusterfuck of a thread wasn't enough.

I've got no dog in this hunt, but come on. Circle 'em up ladies and gents! Ready...aim...

Posted by: SaraSmile at November 05, 2010 01:13 PM (tWctt)

125 Can't believe some of you are still defending this dumb cunt.
Yeah, I DID say that. Thats right, you heard me.

Posted by: mAX pOWER at November 05, 2010 01:13 PM (q177U)

126 Dear God! Can't I get a day off around here?

Posted by: The Chicken at November 05, 2010 01:13 PM (+bodw)

127 If Eve hadn't eaten that fuckin apple, we wouldn't be in this mess in the first place!!1!

Posted by: Adam at November 05, 2010 01:13 PM (8s9tr)

128 To everyone still backing COD.
Has Castle endorsed her, has the NRSC given her every dime they had., had Karl Rove sang her praises, and everything else, do you honestly, in your heart and mind, believe she could have won?

Posted by: Ben at November 05, 2010 01:13 PM (wuv1c)

129
You keep up this bullshit and you'll be sorry.

You think you're going to pick an 'electable' candidate in 2012 for the GOP? No fucking way.

Keep it up and there'll be a Third party candidate.

Posted by: Soothsayer at November 05, 2010 01:13 PM (uFokq)

130 117 ace-hear hear.

Isn't that, ace-here, here?

You mean I've spent nearly half century getting that wrong??

*slumping back in my chair*

Posted by: CoolCzech at November 05, 2010 01:13 PM (tJjm/)

131 S T __ C__ O N S T __ P I D
Do you need to buy a vowel, or can you solve the puzzle?

Posted by: Pat Sajack at November 05, 2010 01:14 PM (K/USr)

132 Clyde Shelton at November 05, 2010 01:06 PM (NITzp)

I totally agree that Castle losing was his fault. If he couldn't make a case that he was better than O'Donnell. Yeah, that's his problem, of course. But beyond that, she was a terrible candidate. That Castle lost to her doesn't say a whole lot for him, either.

Posted by: lorien1973 at November 05, 2010 01:14 PM (IhQuA)

133 Ace - I gotta agree that blaming COD for Rossi is stretching a bit.

Yes, she turned out to be a bad candidate. She probably would have seemed worse in the Primary if it hadn't been for the fact that all of the crazy sounding stuff she said turned out to be legit (if not quite to the extent she insinuated) -people following her home, etc., etc.

Also, had Mike Castle been a better candidate, he would have won the primary. The GOP in Delaware didn't like him enough to give him the nomination. Or are you saying enough GOP voters in DE read this blog that it swayed them when local media and campaign adds couldn't?

In the General, she ran a lousy campaign. Incredibly bad. Rove couldn't have done that badly if he'd tried, bad. From her point of view, a lot of the problem was the NRSC- which, since she was the candidate, makes it true in fact as well. She saw them as opposing her, so she spent much more of her time responding to them than she should have.

I agree, now, she needs to shut up, say "The People of Delaware have spoken." and go away. But her bad behavior now does not in any way reflect on whether the Republican voters (as opposed to the Republican Establishment) in Delaware preferred her over Mike Castle.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) at November 05, 2010 01:14 PM (8y9MW)

134 as far as i know, the media paints all republicans as extreme and nutty. at least that's what i'been hearing for 2 years.
hell, to even infer that we think the gvt. is a huge inefficient mammoth is now extreme. to balk at more taxing is extreme.
and that we want to have salt on our food is absurd.
down with freedom, down with happy meals and donuts in old folks homes.

Posted by: willow at November 05, 2010 01:14 PM (iAu/o)

135 Lowden had already super-gaffed (the healthcare "barter" remark) in the primary. No way she wins NV-SEN either. That said, Angle needed to be better drilled, and a more confident and accomplished candidate who was equally conservative should have won.

Posted by: Whatever at November 05, 2010 01:14 PM (sx9hl)

136 Look people. Understand this. O'Donnell became the face of the Tea Party in many swing states.
Yes. And who designated her as such?
...
No.
...
OK, them and who else?
...
Right.

Posted by: oblig. at November 05, 2010 01:14 PM (x7Ao8)

137 To everyone still backing COD.
Has Castle endorsed her, has the NRSC given her every dime they had.,
had Karl Rove sang her praises, and everything else, do you honestly,
in your heart and mind, believe she could have won?

Posted by: Ben at November 05, 2010 01:13 PM (wuv1c)
Perhaps not. But at least Castle and Rove would have been acting like good Republicans.

Posted by: Oldcat at November 05, 2010 01:14 PM (z1N6a)

138 Okay, now you're just trolling for hits. Ace, I've lurked on this site for freaking years, but Jesus man, let this go already. O'Donnell cost O'Donnell the election. Rossi is getting screwed, but that's not her fault; same with Buck.

I said it on the other thread, Delaware picked their candidate fucking warts and all. Not much you or anybody else can do about it. Move the fuck on already. We had no realistic shot at the Senate, so why continually beat the freaking hide of the horse.


Posted by: mastour at November 05, 2010 01:15 PM (fIg94)

139 If Christie can win in NJ, a conservative can win in ME or DE.
Maybe not a hard core one, but at least one better than Castle. O'Donnell was a crappy candidate and now she needs to go away.
However, if this election made any converts or led people to consider the Conservative message in DE, than it was a start.
Yeah, I'm grasping at straws with that last point....

Posted by: Gerry Owen at November 05, 2010 01:15 PM (4ABat)

140 Ace,

She cost us Delaware but saying she cost us Colorado and Washington is questionable at best.

Rossi lost Washington in part because the state's mail-in ballot system is notorious for Dem fraud, especially in at least one of the Rossi-Gregoire races for Governor.

IMHO, having elections which can't be decided until several days after election night due to mail-in ballots is a recipe for major fraud because there is a lot more opportunity for someone to "find" a bag of ballots somewhere, a la Minnesota 2008 or Connecticut 2010. I don't think that Republicans will be able to win a lot of seats in Washington or Oregon until mass voting via mail-in ballot is tossed and replaced by traditional precinct-based voting via paper ballot or machines.

As far as Colorado goes, there were reports on election night of precincts running out of ballots and election judges handing out copied ballots as a result. That sounds suspiciously like what happened in Bridgeport, CT, in the thread from earlier today.


I just find it a little too coincidental that every one of these close races ends up breaking in the Dems' favor.

Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at November 05, 2010 01:15 PM (onSgJ)

141 Have a real problem with people who cannot leave the stage. She lost and I hope we never hear from her again. I am sympathetic to the Tea Party, but she hurt the Tea Party image and will continue to harm it as long as she keeps talking. Why does anyone care what a 17% loser has to say?

Posted by: Jay at November 05, 2010 01:15 PM (KaJBC)

142 Prison riots aremore civil than these COD threads.

Posted by: Ernie McCracken at November 05, 2010 01:15 PM (jmf9+)

143 Seems to me you're saying the problem is the media. If the problem is the media, let's fix the problem.
Posted by: BeckoningChasm at November 05, 2010 01:09 PM
I would love to have a situation were the media treats Republicans fairly. Fox and others are helping to remedy that, but I'd say we're at least a few thousand years off.
In the meantime, we can control who our nominees are, and can try to give the biased media a little less ammo to work with

Posted by: buzz at November 05, 2010 01:16 PM (i27M5)

144 O'Donnell was a bad candidate. But I think people are missing the root cause of the loss: Mike Castle. The Delaware GOP-electorate obviously wanted someone better than Castle. They were so desperate, they got behind a newbie, and a bad newbie at that. Castle was that bad in the eyes of the GOP-electorate there. Lesson: Delaware-GOP needs to give their electorate a better candidate to prevent the necessity for people stepping up to primary the bad GOP candidates.
Posted by: Clyde Shelton
I respectfully disagree. Castle didn't even try to campaign for the primary until after TPE became involved. Anddid itbadly. Combine that fact with the unusal year that this was, and the sight of seeing no fewer than three favorites lose Senate primary bids, two of whom were incumbents, and you had the perfect storm of stupidity here in Delaware.

But it is easier to repeat the obvious single fact that O'Donnell is a badly flawed candidate. That way, the state GOP leader keeps his spot, Castle is seen as the answer to our troubles, and the rank and file are told that such dreams are not for them. In this reality, Castle arguing in favor of cap and trade the DAY BEFORE THE FUCKING PRIMARY IN THE NATIONAL PRESS SOMEHOW BECOMES A SMART IDEA.
Which again, is an inconvenient fact that is easier ignored than dealt with.

Posted by: Blue Hen at November 05, 2010 01:16 PM (R2fpr)

145 Never had you agree with me more, Ace.

Posted by: SarahW at November 05, 2010 01:16 PM (Z4T49)

146 Damn you, Christine O'Donnell!!!!

Posted by: Sun Spots at November 05, 2010 01:16 PM (CVNye)

147 Have a real problem with people who cannot leave the
stage. She lost and I hope we never hear from her again. I am
sympathetic to the Tea Party, but she hurt the Tea Party image and will
continue to harm it as long as she keeps talking. Why does anyone care
what a 17% loser has to say?


Posted by: Jay at November 05, 2010 01:15 PM (KaJBC)
Apparently Ace and Drew do, more than the supposed COD fans.

Posted by: Oldcat at November 05, 2010 01:16 PM (z1N6a)

148 @129: it would be God awful if we nominate someone in 2012 who proceeds to lose to the weakest incumbent President in recorded history. I like Palin in many ways, but looking at the outcomes in CA, NA, DW, and even CT (though McMahon was a different kettle of fish, I must say - she just couldn't get past the WWF thing), my old doubts about her electability have come back screaming at me like furies.

Posted by: CoolCzech at November 05, 2010 01:17 PM (tJjm/)

149 So how many seats did Alvin Greene cost the Democrats?

Posted by: Dr. Heinz Doofenshmirtz at November 05, 2010 01:17 PM (Bs34i)

150 Only a madman, or an ideologue so poisoned with hatred that they can no
longer analyze political situations rationally, would put up Ace's
support for Castle as something to MAKE FUN OF.

So you've been to Obama's School of Winning Friends and Influencing People.

Posted by: Midwestern Nobody at November 05, 2010 01:17 PM (gbCNS)

151 "In George Orwell's novel Nineteen Eighty-Four, the Two Minutes' Hate is a daily period in which Party members must watch a film depicting The Party's enemies and express their hatred for them ...."

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at November 05, 2010 01:17 PM (BTyMb)

152 Castle lost his own primary to a weak candidate. Thats all on him. He had every advantage and blew it, no fucking tears for him. The problem was he lost to COD, not to a regular Joe or Jane.

Posted by: Jean at November 05, 2010 01:18 PM (7Jipo)

153 Oh great, even Ace thinks he's smarter than DE conservatives now. Yeah, I'll give you the point that COD cost us CO and WA if you'll concede that RINO assholes like Castle were why we got swept out in 06 and 08, m'kay.

Posted by: flyondawall at November 05, 2010 01:18 PM (vouNK)

154 it would be God awful if we nominate someone in
2012 who proceeds to lose to the weakest incumbent President in recorded
history. I like Palin in many ways, but looking at the outcomes in CA,
NA, DW, and even CT (though McMahon was a different kettle of fish, I
must say - she just couldn't get past the WWF thing), my old doubts
about her electability have come back screaming at me like furies.

Posted by: CoolCzech at November 05, 2010 01:17 PM (tJjm/)
Well, its what we did in 1996. So its kind of traditional.

Posted by: Oldcat at November 05, 2010 01:18 PM (z1N6a)

155 The WV knife lady smells better than this thread.

Posted by: laceyunderalls at November 05, 2010 01:18 PM (iPmsg)

156 I'm on the record as saying that COD should have been helped and not picked at BEFORE THE ELECTION

Now that it's over, the Painful Truths can be told: COD was a terrible candidate who ran a crap campaign. Delaware is a mostly Demo state where RINOs have had a lot of success. Republicans in Delaware were so pissed that they nominated COD, but that was......impolitic

In some places ( like Brown in Mass ) your only choice is between RINOs and Marxist Demos like Coakley or Coons. So, choke it down: Elect the RINO rather than the Marxist

Even if COD had run a better campaign she would have lost; because she was a terrible candidate who ran a crap campaign, she likely dragged down neighboring Republicans. as the alleged Ace person noted






Posted by: SantaRosaStan at November 05, 2010 01:18 PM (UqKQV)

157 O'Donnell didn't cost us one seat; she cost us three. Chalk Rossi's and Buck's loss up to her as well.

That's piling on -- I'm not buying.

She can only be what she is -- a bad candidate in a dark blue state. The voters nominated her, not Castle, and she ran to win. If her candidacy significantly damaged the Tea Party brand nationally (and we don't know it did), was it more or less than Greene in SC, Etheridge in NC, damaged the Donk brand? You can play that game forever.

If you want to blame someone for brand damage, start with Big Democrat Media, which buried Democrat loonies like Greene and Etheridge, and buried good Tea Party candidates, but put O'Donnell on the news more than any other candidate in the election, in an effort to make her the "face of the Tea Party."

Posted by: Bender Bending Rodriguez at November 05, 2010 01:18 PM (XdO3P)

158 O'Donnell got so much press out of so little talent and accomplishment because:
1) She is cute
2) She knows how to blow the dog whistle on conservative issues
and
3) She will talk for money.
Expect to see her trotted out by the left for the next 2 years to embarrass conservatives. Hell, we have Bristol f'n Palin on DWTS, and her accomplishments are even somewhat less impressive (born to mom on political enemies list, had a kid, and oh yeah, is cute - so there's that).
Trust me, you are only just beginning to get sick of COD.

Posted by: Zanzibar Buck-Buck McFate at November 05, 2010 01:18 PM (Hj9yW)

159
149
So how many seats did Alvin Greene cost the Democrats?

Posted by: Dr. Heinz Doofenshmirtz at November 05, 2010 01:17 PM (Bs34i)

What's more, show me the prominent Democrat that pulled a Rove on Alvin.
Rove should have shut his fucking fat mouth and done what he could to get the nominee elected, not given repeated interviews to a media eager for GOP division.

Posted by: nickless at November 05, 2010 01:18 PM (MMC8r)

160 Rossi lost the way Rossi always loses - rampant fraud in the state of Washington. Is he or anyone else going to do anything about it? No? Then shut the fuck up.

Foley is going to lose the governorship of CT to fraud. He's up by 8,000 votes, and they're still calling Malloy the winner? WTF? All ballots from Bridgeport need to be invalidated. Maybe if enough people get 'disenfranchised' they'll start to watch what these corrupt MFs are doing.

I fail to see how O'Donnell being a loon had any impact on races where fraud was the deciding factor. There was no way that these elections would have been outside the MOF regardless, and there's no way to convince me that O'Donnell caused a 10 point swing in a race on the other side of the country against an entrenched liberal incumbent.

Posted by: brian at November 05, 2010 01:19 PM (y05cf)

161 Totally O/T (cause this thread needs it): via Twitter:

SpeakerPelosi Driven by the urgency of creating jobs protecting #hcr, #wsr, Social Security Medicare, I am running for Dem Leader.

Posted by: Bomber at November 05, 2010 01:19 PM (qzoN5)

162 I hope no one is actually standing up for the proposition that intelligence, education. and accomplishments are affirmatively BAD things in a candidate. (Esp for Senator.)

I hope no one is saying that.

Because there is a strain of this "anti-elitism" jazz that often sounds very close to exactly that.


Dr. Heinz,

None, because the media did not make him the face of the party, for obvious reasons. And the GOP didn't run ads against him, linking him to candidates (which many Democrats did with O'Donnell).

People seem to understand this (as BeckoningChasm does) but then say "Okay then well change the media."

???

What? Are we pretending we found a genie lamp and have three wishes?

Candidates are supposed to, if possible, make some changes in the world; we are not expected to change the world in order to make a candidate viable.

Posted by: ace at November 05, 2010 01:19 PM (nj1bB)

163 1, she wasn't bright (at all), 2, she had no accomplishments whatsoever (and yes, people do want to know someone's actually done something to earn the right to be one of 100 in the Senate

Patty Murray just called to disagree.

Posted by: AndrewsDad at November 05, 2010 01:19 PM (C2//T)

164 You keep up this bullshit and you'll be sorry.You think you're going to pick an 'electable' candidate in 2012 for the GOP? No fucking way.Keep it up and there'll be a Third party candidate.
I just want to make something clear here: you are the problem. You are the problem in our conservative movement, in the Republican Party, in America.

Posted by: Jeff B. at November 05, 2010 01:19 PM (NjYDy)

165 Slam Book

I'm sixteen and hate my life. I also hate a lot of people. This is where I write about them anonymously so I don't go off on them in their stupid faces.

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at November 05, 2010 01:19 PM (BTyMb)

166 On the bright side, I've got this sinking feeling that a lot of morons are going to end up hating Ms. O'Donnell before all is said and done. The election is over and we'll all accept that fact soon (maybe)... but the last fucking thing we need from her is a media whirlwind tour.

Posted by: The Mega Independent at November 05, 2010 01:20 PM (CVNye)

167
Her ad that started with her explaining "I am not a witch" was the dumbest thing ever.



Posted by: Lemon Kitten at November 05, 2010 01:20 PM (0fzsA)

168 Good grief... this is getting stupid.

Enough with the COD shit.

Posted by: Timbo at November 05, 2010 01:20 PM (ph9vn)

169 >>>I fail to see how O'Donnell being a loon had any impact on races

The media featured her as the face (and brain) of the Tea Party, and Democrats all over the country ran ads linking her to their opponents.

If those ads had no effect, WHY DID THEY RUN THEM?

Just for funsies?

Posted by: ace at November 05, 2010 01:20 PM (nj1bB)

170 139

If Christie can win in NJ, a conservative can win in ME or DE.

Maybe not a hard core one, but at least one better than Castle. O'Donnell was a crappy candidate and now she needs to go away.

However, if this election made any converts or led people to consider the Conservative message in DE, than it was a start.

Yeah, I'm grasping at straws with that last point....



Posted by: Gerry Owen at November 05, 2010 01:15 PM (4ABat)
Christie won't run for President because the Tea Party will call him a RINO. He's A Tom Kean type of Republican. And that's why he won in NJ.

Posted by: Quilly Mammoth at November 05, 2010 01:20 PM (p/o52)

171 33 By the way, you know what I'm REALLY not in the mood for? People saying "oh noes, this is so divisive, you have to stop this!"I'm glad to see that Christine O'Donnell's supporters care so much about divisiveness now. Now that it doesn't actually matter. No...they just want to be shielded from facing the consequences of their immense fuckup."I'm on a RINO-hunt with Mark Levin!"
Posted by: Jeff B. at November 05, 2010 12:58 PM (NjYDy)
Its not the O'Donnell supporters that are sick of this divisiveness. Its everyone else that is sick of them and YOU for making it dvisive. Fucking Delaware is not a hill to die on either way. Fuck you and fuck them.

Posted by: buzzion at November 05, 2010 01:20 PM (oVQFe)

172
Only a madman, or an ideologue so poisoned with hatred that they can no
longer analyze political situations rationally, would put up Ace's
support for Castle as something to MAKE FUN OF.

So you've been to Obama's School of Winning Friends and Influencing People.


Posted by: Midwestern Nobody at November 05, 2010 01:17 PM (gbCNS)
I think you can have your candidate lose in a primary without starting a several month set of angst filled crises. It seems to have worked out in the other 49 states pretty well.

Posted by: Oldcat at November 05, 2010 01:20 PM (z1N6a)

173 I love how CO'D supporters are suddenly shifting the blame to "Delaware primary voters."

You know, and it's craven lying to suggest otherwise, that O'Donnell would have run a token campaign and gotten slaughtered in the primary were it not for the influence of the TP Express, Palin, DeMint, Rush, and Mark Levin. They all went to bat for her, bashing Castle with real truth mixed with false statements.

So don't even try to disavow responsibility, rightroots.

Posted by: Lou at November 05, 2010 01:21 PM (ouqyQ)

174 Can people stop conflating COD with Obama, with our 2012 candidate, or anything else.
People who hate COD don't wan't mccain to win the 2012 primary
This is only about COD

Posted by: Ben at November 05, 2010 01:21 PM (wuv1c)

175 >>>Keep it up and there'll be a Third party candidate.

Fine, I can play this game too:

If Sarah Palin is the candidate I'm going third party.

How you like them apples? You guys aren't the only ones who get to threaten to bolt the party at every turn.

Posted by: ace at November 05, 2010 01:21 PM (nj1bB)

176 Is the flame-war thread?

Posted by: carin at November 05, 2010 01:21 PM (vBKqN)

177 To those comparing COD to PrezBO:

Sorry, R's and D's play by different rules. Part of that is the media (fuck 'em), but independents still get their news (when they get news) from local AP fishwraps and local TV. So an unqualified BO could get his shit covered where COD couldnt. Those are the rules-until the AP fishwraps all go bust we'll just have to deal with it.
Second, the D message is so much easier to sell. "FREE HEALTHCARE," "FREE GREEN JOBS," "FREE UNION BENNIES:" easy sells all. Its free shit ffs. Rs need better salesmen to show that all that "free shit" isn't free; healthcare comes with rationing, green jobs with higher energy bills, and union bennies with unemployment. Did COD articulate that? No. She was too busy with friendly fire against the NRSC, and dodging the witchcraft/second home charges.

Posted by: Whatever at November 05, 2010 01:21 PM (IDBTs)

178 COD supporters, can you just admit you got this one wrong?

There was no good reason to believe she could win in Delaware. Even if you wanted a fully conservative candidate, there was no good reason to back Christine O'Donnell as being the standard bearer--she just wasn't up to it.

Yes, I know it's unfair that a lot of Democrats get a pass at things she didn't. Guess what? We don't support those Democrats either. We've knocked the Dems for years for being willing any liberal, no matter what their character or history. After knocking them, do you want to join them?

In 2008, Palin got a raw deal. She was lambasted as a dumb, crazy, inexperienced hick. Palin got a raw deal, though, because these charges were bull, not because she didn't get the same sort of passes for intelligence, inexperience, and crazy statements, like Democrats did. I liked Palin. I still liked Palin. I understand being defensive about these attacks. I am, however, still against electing dumb/foolish/inexperienced people to Congress. The lesson should be that we hit back at Democrats when they throw out bull---t like this (with the caveat that it's actually bull---t), not that we start overlooking a candidate's intelligence, judgment, and experience when picking nominees.

Posted by: AD at November 05, 2010 01:21 PM (UnMRd)

179 Heck maybe we can pin hundreds of election losses on her all at once... I'm not sure why, but if we're going to go full-on blame her for all the ills of the nation; why not?

Posted by: Gekkobear at November 05, 2010 01:11 PM

Yeah, this is getting into parody territory now. Just like we can parody the Left, which blames everything on 'Booosh!', from now on, I think we can parody this site, which seems to blame everything on Christine O'Donnell.

San Francisco banned the Happy Meal... O'Donnell's fault!

Posted by: Clyde Shelton at November 05, 2010 01:22 PM (NITzp)

180 The irony of this is that by what she is doing, she is confirming the worst her critics had to say about her, but when Loreen Microtchstinkski did the same thing, she won.

Posted by: Hussein the Plumber at November 05, 2010 01:22 PM (r1h5M)

181 http://___.villagephotos.com/p/2003-9/402139/duty_calls.jpg

Posted by: Hotspur at November 05, 2010 01:22 PM (c158/)

182 lol "slam book"! those were the best!

Posted by: phoenixgirl at November 05, 2010 01:22 PM (Cm66w)

183

My soda was flat at lunch.

Damn you Christine O'Donnell!

Posted by: toby928 at November 05, 2010 01:22 PM (S5YRY)

184 I agree with Ace. When you give a target, the dimocrats run with it.
2 years ago I would have fallen for using O'Donneld to paint the entire tea party as a bunch of lunatics.
The media will never use Alvin Green to paing the entire demonrat party as a bunch of lunatics, but they will pounce when it is on the right.
O'Donneld did the best she could, now needs to shut the hell up and carry on with her life. If she wants to be a voice for people who voted for her, fine, but stop with the bitiching and moaning.

Posted by: johnc_recent_EX-dem at November 05, 2010 01:22 PM (ACkhT)

185 155 The WV knife lady smells better than this thread.
Posted by: laceyunderalls at November 05, 2010 01:18 PM (iPmsg)

Speaking from experience?

Posted by: CoolCzech at November 05, 2010 01:22 PM (tJjm/)

186 I blame Creepy Wicket for Sean Bielat's loss.

Posted by: Chairman LMAO at November 05, 2010 01:23 PM (9eDbm)

187 So how many seats did Alvin Greene cost the Democrats?
Posted by: Dr. Heinz Doofenshmirtz at November 05, 2010 01:17 PM (Bs34i)

You may have noticed that Greene wasn't embraced by the liberal base. O'Donnell however became a conservative cult hero who was backed by heavy hitters like Limbaugh, Hannity, Palin and Levin. Liberals didn't raise $2 million for him the week after he won.

There's nothing wrong with nominating the occasional fool for office, mistakes happen. Embracing and promoting them? That's where the unforgivable mistake was.

Posted by: DrewM. at November 05, 2010 01:23 PM (HicGG)

188 We've knocked the Dems for years for being willing any liberal, no
matter what their character or history. After knocking them, do you
want to join them?

Posted by: AD at November 05, 2010 01:21 PM (UnMRd)


for years for being willing any liberal = for being willing *to support* any liberal

Posted by: AD at November 05, 2010 01:23 PM (UnMRd)

189
RT @kerpen: Wow. http://MoveOn.org just did a national email supporting Pelosi for Democratic Leader. Seriously. #fb | Hahaha!

Posted by: dagny at November 05, 2010 01:23 PM (wiRir)

190 Woo Hoo, it lives again, (with apologies to ShowBoat this time):OLD Man MOUSTACHEHe DON'T say muchHE JUST KEEPS ON HUMMINGMMMMMM MMMMMMM MMMMMMMM

Posted by: Old Man Moustache at November 05, 2010 01:23 PM (qL20/)

191 WTF !? She cost us three seats ?
If Rossi can't beat a target-rich opponent like Patti " Osama has done so much for folks" Murray, it's O'Donnells' fault ? Yep. Rossi was dy-no-mite !
Couldn't possibly be that outside of CA, Sea-Tac is the heart and soul of an irretrievably LibProg Conclave of Assholes, otherwise known as Washington State.. Can you say Hawash Six ?
Buck ? Colorado is the second beachhead of the Reconquista Crowd, after CA.
Couldn't have been the same RINOP brain-trust that gave us Jeffords, Chafee, Dede Scuzz, but can't possibly back something besides another RINO-POS, could it ? Hmm, oh Analyst Supremo ? Identical story with Etheridge and his opponent .... he shoulda been the poster-boy for ads against the Dims, but the NRCC leaves Ellmers high and dry, and offers late-hour help. RINOP = morte
Can't spell analysis with out A - N - A - L. Get a clue, boyo

Posted by: OhioDude at November 05, 2010 01:23 PM (UDB7H)

192 I blame COD for Mt. Merapi. I think there is agood point about COD being a bad candidate with a poor resume, but thenyou go and give her coattails. She was the MFM's favorite Tea Party candidatefor thepurpose of ridicule, which is something.But I don't think you can tie her to races in other states.

Posted by: Beagle at November 05, 2010 01:23 PM (sOtz/)

193 Oh for fuck's sake: Another COD thread.

1. Palin needs to get with her and back here out of the limelight.

2. Ace and Drew need to stop with the colorectal inversion. Buck lost and Angle lost due to latino vote concentration. Buck also said dumb shit and didn't practice politics well. You can't blame CoD for the attention the biased media put on her.

3. Ace and Drew: just hiw fucking more liberal than Castlr does a RINO have to be before you say "no mas" and worry about dilution of the R brand???
Nature abhors a vacuum. The shitbags in DE tried to annoint Castle in a conseRvative wave year. Instead of being petulant children about the fact that a weak candidate filled that seat, why not devote some space to fixing the process that led to the vacuum in the first place????



Posted by: gonzogaga at November 05, 2010 01:23 PM (3qmtL)

194 O'Donnell was held up as prime example of why not to take any message of the Tea-Party seriously. She cemented the idea of danger in selecting anyone else associated with a movement which would nominate THAT for senator.

People really underestimate the damage a candidate like that can do.

Posted by: SarahW at November 05, 2010 01:23 PM (Z4T49)

195 Oh come on! Not even 2 days to gloat? FUCK YOU MAN! Seriously.
We've got 2 years for this shit. You want to do a pre-empt on the Tea Party die hards, do it next week. A 1500 post thread wasn't enough?

ENJOY THE WIN
God knows when we'll have another.

Posted by: Iblis at November 05, 2010 01:24 PM (aJiOp)

196 OK, Jeff B., it's on.
A
mega-super-once-in-a-generation Democratic destruction was possible for
us, giving us Senate seats we would have no right to take otherwise (WA,
DE, the Senate Majority leader's seat)....and we blew it.

Bullshit.

If you truly believe those scenarios were possible, then let me explain to you, very concisely and clearly, why they never were:

The Republican Party.

To get that kind of destruction in play, you not only have to have a party that's really, really despised (got that one), you have to have a viable alternative that's really, really trustworthy. And if you think we had that in the GOP, you must be insane. We voted for them, and we barely trust them when they're in full view! Do you seriously think the Great American Center is going to go all in with folks they don't entirely trust, after having been burned two years previously by doing exactly that? Because if you do, there's this bridge you may be interested in.

We were never going to annihilate the Dems this year. We can in 2012, if we can get the GOP to behave itself, but it wasn't happening this year. It was a mirage, and too many of you out there gave into wishful thinking.

Did I say support O'Donnell? Of course I did, she was the frakkin' candidate, like it or not. And I did not like it, and never saw any evidence that she was other than a very flawed candidate, which made me wonder how good Castle really was, if he lost to her! But we'll never know, and we can't undo what's been done, so arguing woulda-coulda-shoulda is doing nothing more than creating rifts and arguments that we. Don't. Need.

If you want to keep trying to purge the frakkin' base just because they're not 'reasonable' enough, then enjoy the next two years, 'cause after that we're all down the toilet. If you want a real shot at putting paid to the proggies, though, swallow your pride, control your tongue, and start finding ways for this little alliance of ours to work instead of starting the same fight over and over. Y'know, that whole leadership and diplomacy thing you were talking about?

Posted by: DarkLordOfTheIntarWebs at November 05, 2010 01:24 PM (GBXon)

197 Son of a Bitch, wrong article

Posted by: Old Man Moustache at November 05, 2010 01:24 PM (qL20/)

198 S T __ C__ O N S T __ P I D
Do you need to buy a vowel, or can you solve the puzzle?
Stuart is Constipated?

Posted by: Meggy Mac at November 05, 2010 01:24 PM (CVNye)

199 Posted by: Blue Hen at November 05, 2010 01:16 PM (R2fpr)

Yes, Castle was the Maine Sisters, but he was better than Coons. Your state has a heavy Demo registration but a history of electing RINOs. Conservatives don't get elected in DelaWare

When in Rome / When in Wilmington or Newark.......

Posted by: SantaRosaStan at November 05, 2010 01:24 PM (UqKQV)

200 80 Look people. Understand this. O'Donnell became the face of the Tea Party in many swing states. This hurt us, not helped us. Ben
You could not be further off base. I am next door to DE in SE PA, in the Coons-ODonnell media market, where the GOP ran the best slate of candidates in my lifetime and absolutely cleaned up. Lots of fresh faces and conservatives, perish the thought. All winners. If your guys didn't do as well in your part of the state, have a look at your candidates.

Posted by: louis tully at November 05, 2010 01:25 PM (K/USr)

201 @56 any of you and your fellow political geniuses running for office in Delaware , Jeffy? or anywhere?

what were the options?

or are you just too busy criticizing and kissing the cobloggers asses?

You can see it at least 10 times already on this thread. That is the argument of someone who is intellectually bankrupt and cannot offer a rebuttal based on the facts.
cuz bold makes it 10 % more righter

As a hard core chest beating McCainiac I would think you would sympathize with the COD crowd.

Ace and company have repeatedly insisted that COD should have presented herself as more liberal ...so she could win win win .
You know. Faked it.
Kinda like a recent presidential candidate.

Some folks disagree.

Posted by: whatevah at November 05, 2010 01:25 PM (Y8vi9)

202 "O'Donnell didn't cost us one seat; she cost us three. Chalk Rossi's and Buck's loss up to her as well"

Ace, since you put this statement out there, back it up. Explain it. Show us some proof.Cause I ain't buying it. To put it in words you understand: that's bullshit and you know it.

Rossi has lost THREE consecutive elections here in Washington State and quite frankly I'm sick of the GOP running this guy. Our choices in this election were "shady" vs "nuclear stupid" I voted for him only because he's not Patty Murray. That kind of "credential" just doesn't cut it and it's not enough to win an election with.

So prove to me exactly how O'Donnell is at fault for Rossi's loss. Put up or shut up dude.

Posted by: NunyaBizness at November 05, 2010 01:25 PM (8QHaa)

203 OD needs to sit down and shut up. Giving intvs like this allows the MFM to hang her and the "crazy" meme around the neck of the TP and conservatives in general.

Having said that, given the crap that was flung at her she at least partly came by her persecution complex in an honest fashion..

Posted by: Muggedbyreality at November 05, 2010 01:25 PM (EiGM1)

204 Christine needed to appeal to the average dem in order to be elected in CT. Had she more show-us-your-beads skin in the game she would have tightened up the race.

Posted by: sTevo at November 05, 2010 01:25 PM (4b8Gq)

205 i get she was nutty....but she wasn't nutty enough to not vote for over a commie or a rino......and how the hell can anyone blame her for an out of deleware candidate's loss?

Posted by: phoenixgirl at November 05, 2010 01:25 PM (Cm66w)

206 In the General, she ran a lousy campaign. Incredibly bad. Rove couldn't have done that badly if he'd tried, bad.
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) at November 05, 2010 01:14 PM (8y9MW)
Don't sell Rove short. He was the worst thing to happen to the GOP in over a hundred years, taking us from full control of Washington to NOTHING and the party reviled in the public arena.
To compare the damage that COD's candidacy might have done to conservativism (and that damage is really around ZERO) and the total obliteration of the GOP under Rove's guidance ... I don't get it. I really don't. Ace is so hot about "qualifications" and "intelligence" and "accomplishments", then he should think that Rove is the worst thing on Earth for conservativism, as was proven with the savaging in 2008 - which the GOP (and America) was only saved from with the Tea Partiers, of which O'Donnell was an important one.

Posted by: Preznit Barkolounger at November 05, 2010 01:25 PM (n98P0)

207 Even if O'Donnell wasn't the perfect candidate - you're still not 'splaining to me why anyone - sane or not - would vote for Coons ... ? ? He even looks icky. State should have just passed on having a Senator this term.

Posted by: Roger at November 05, 2010 01:25 PM (tAwhy)

208 Nice ponytail, sweet bike....

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at November 05, 2010 01:26 PM (BTyMb)

209 I think it's great that she's being so brave in Standing Up to the Man.

Does she have tattoos or gay friends? Hang out with bikers?

She could have a real future as a "pundit."

Posted by: Empire of Jeff at November 05, 2010 01:26 PM (5pIHA)

210 Oh goody! the pee-lo-si will be running for minority leader!
hee haw! great!! Let her continue to be the face of that lunatic radical party!!

Posted by: johnc_recent_EX-dem at November 05, 2010 01:26 PM (ACkhT)

211 Ok, if we all admit that every single republican who lost only failed because O'Donnell exists, can we move on? I'll even throw in global warming. That's her fault too.

Posted by: dagny at November 05, 2010 01:26 PM (wiRir)

212 a candidate who begins in a hole due to serious questions about credibility and qualifications
Yeah, they never win.

Posted by: B. Odumbass at November 05, 2010 01:26 PM (JcRgg)

213 Holy fuck, not again.

Posted by: Cuffy Meigs at November 05, 2010 01:26 PM (k5CvA)

214 "Because there is a strain of this "anti-elitism" jazz that often sounds
very close to exactly that."

That's only because you choose to see it, it supports your theory that conservatives who support a conservative candidate you dislike are just reactionary stump toothed hicks, you know, like shit the left does.

Posted by: flyondawall at November 05, 2010 01:26 PM (vouNK)

215 I don't know. I'm one of those that is okay w/ Castle losing in the primary, and O'Donnell the general. Clear distinctions need to be drawn going forward. RINO's don't help us there. Conservatives are a growing group. Moderates are declining. Liberals are unchanged. The only way this election could have been better is if we'd had solid, serious candidates in these races - instead of the Christine O'Donnells. All of this is spilt milk regardless.
On the +, we drug EVERYONE except the hardcore left - to the right. (See Manchin for example.) And better still, we have the personel in place to keep them there for now. Going forward, we need to keep them (all of them)afraid - that they're going to be the next one primaried out, or the next one holding the bag on an upset loss. Keep pushing. Keep looking for candidates. We've got precious little time between now and the beginning of the campaign season, and soooo much work to do. These high visibility races are important - but we need to turn our collective attention to SOS and AG races at the state level. They're simply out-organizing and out-frauding us at this point. Momentum won't even keep us where we're at. Let us sing kumbaya andput our collective thinking caps on, eh? Bygones brothers and sisters.

Posted by: Abiss at November 05, 2010 01:26 PM (1ilyW)

216 Booting Castle is one thing. Trumpeting O'Donnell is quite another.

The best most sensible thing conservatives could have done when deciding to toss that seat away to prevent the likes off Castle from getting it, is to provide minimal polite support and back off her as some great transormative grizzly Palin-lite.

I was told over and over during the primary that it "isn't about O'Donnell." In the end, you see, it very much was.

Posted by: SarahW at November 05, 2010 01:26 PM (Z4T49)

217 191
WTF !? She cost us three seats ?
If Rossi can't beat a target-rich opponent like Patti " Osama has done so much for folks" Murray, it's O'Donnells' fault ? Yep. Rossi was dy-no-mite !
The idea is that the Tea Party lost some support in more blueish areas because of O'Donnell. Those few points amongst independents is the margin of victory. Reading exit polling in those areas shows a diminished support for the TP. Whether it was because of COD is a subject for debate but it's not hogwash because there are data points to support it.

Posted by: Quilly Mammoth at November 05, 2010 01:27 PM (p/o52)

218 Do you think that these idiots will elect her as minority leader? What is she going to run on? I know a secret?

Posted by: dagny at November 05, 2010 01:27 PM (wiRir)

219 >>>If you want to keep trying to purge the frakkin' base just because they're not 'reasonable' enough, then enjoy the next two years, 'cause after that we're all down the toilet. If you want a real shot at putting paid to the proggies, though, swallow your pride, control your tongue, and start finding ways for this little alliance of ours to work instead of starting the same fight over and over.

There is truth in this, but I hear a lot of purge-talk from the other side, dude.

It's third-party this and purge that.

I kept quiet on O'Donnell and pretended she could win (By the way, I was lying; I knew she couldn't. She's borderline retarded and ethically challenged to boot. Nevermind the fact she's a creationist and anti-abortion in a blue liberal-socially state.)

I did my bit. How about the angry shouters who like shouting about how angry they are stop with the purge crap?

Posted by: ace at November 05, 2010 01:27 PM (nj1bB)

220 161
Totally O/T (cause this thread needs it): via Twitter:

SpeakerPelosi Driven by the urgency of
creating jobs protecting #hcr, #wsr, Social Security Medicare, I am
running for Dem Leader.

I read that. Yes! Let her try and see where it gets here. Meanwhile, the Dems will form their own circular firing squad as they fight for the future of their party.

Posted by: Miss'80sBaby at November 05, 2010 01:27 PM (Yq+qN)

221 Apparently, this isn't the thread where we start sucking each others popsicles...

Posted by: Winston Wolfe at November 05, 2010 01:27 PM (dOatv)

222 HAHAHA! The tribe will NOT give this up.

OK, you are all smarter, better looking and more morally upright than the commenters that don't agree with you.

Rather than engage further in trying to get you all to even see the hubris in your absolute conviction, I'll just go bang my head against a wall until I'm rendered unconscious.

Posted by: MCPO Airdale at November 05, 2010 01:27 PM (G5qLy)

223 i do agree it's time for her to shut up though.....we lived through the drama of the election.....the witch, the masterbation position, the drunk lady bug....i think she should shut up and get a job

Posted by: phoenixgirl at November 05, 2010 01:27 PM (Cm66w)

224 For the record, I hope posters realize thatthe last twoCOD blogs here followed statements by COD blaming the Republican Party. One side insists that every singleself-described conservative or Republican support every singleconservative moonbat candidate that can't win or forever bederided as an establishmentRINO traitor. The other side is just supposed to sit and take it... Fuck you.

Posted by: swamp_yankee at November 05, 2010 01:28 PM (3DIBw)

225 82 Why does CO keep slipping away from us? Posted by: Jeff B. at November 05, 2010 01:07 PM (NjYDy)
Uh, because your state is filling up with socialist refugees from CA and you're having trouble persuading them to abandon their old habits? Beyond ridiculous to blame a candidate on the EC for your own failure.

Posted by: louis tully at November 05, 2010 01:28 PM (K/USr)

226 C'mon Ace. I'm not enamored with O'Donnell or her candidacy.

But are you seriously going to look around the "talent" in the United States Senate and say with a straight face that Somehow Christine O'Donnell's intellect doesn't pass muster?

You couldn't find a thicker morass of mediocre intellect gathered in one place outside the Special Olympics.

Posted by: IronDioPriest at November 05, 2010 01:28 PM (R5UWl)

227 Hell, I'll kick it up a notch and blame Palin for this too. Her 11th hour endorsement of O'Donnell (along with DeMint) is what helped put CO'D over the top in the primary. It also gave O'Donnell the 'Palin Narrative': poor conservative woman being attacked by the establishment and the good ol' boys, which is the dead horse she rode in her campaign rather than anything substantive or policy oriented. Her pity party of a campaign wasn't gonna cover up her obvious weaknesses.

You can pout and cry all you want, but in the end O'Donnell was a disaster on a local and national level.

Posted by: El Kabong at November 05, 2010 01:28 PM (8vVKQ)

228 The media featured her as the face (and brain) of the Tea Party, and Democrats all over the country ran ads linking her to their opponents. If those ads had no effect, WHY DID THEY RUN THEM? Just for funsies?
Posted by: ace at November 05, 2010 01:20 PM (nj1bB)
Oh bullshit, I never saw one ad in Washington linking Rossi to O' Donnell. I got some news for you ace. People in Washington know who Rossi is, he ran for governor twice and was a state senator.
Rossi was not even connected to the tea party here, in fact the tea party candidate refused to endorse him because he's a squish and Didier is a prick.
O' Donnell had nothing to do with Rossi's loss.

Posted by: robtr at November 05, 2010 01:28 PM (hVDig)

229 Uh, Ms. ODonnell? A word if I might?

As one of the people here who has from time to time taken to these pages in support of what turned out to be your utterly futile and embarrassing effort to win a US Senate seat, please take the following advice to heart...

We can't miss you if you won't leave.

Posted by: DocJ at November 05, 2010 01:28 PM (dt6br)

230 I don't think her supporters are hicks. I think they were not seeing what they needed to see, and they did not, therefore, deal with it sensibly.

Posted by: SarahW at November 05, 2010 01:28 PM (Z4T49)

231
Just to show you how politically savvy Ace, Drew, and Jerf B are, these are the people who want the GOP to either cede or embargo all the social issues and run strictly on a fiscal conservative platform.

Yes, they want to alienate the base of the GOP in order to win.

Sound strategy, that.

Posted by: Soothsayer at November 05, 2010 01:29 PM (uFokq)

232 Just don't blame the democrats getting shellacked on me. And Jim DeMint started the recession. You can look it up.

Posted by: Alvin Greene at November 05, 2010 01:29 PM (JcRgg)

233 I don't think it's beating dead horses here, but preparing for 2012. We've got to vet our candidates. Make sure they've never talked about "dabbling into witchcraft" on Maher or anything else that boneheaded. If Christine O'Donnell had looked like Lisa Murkowski instead of some kind of Wilmington Barbie, she wouldn't have even taken her third of the vote.

Were there no Nikki Haleys in Delaware? Christ.

Posted by: Auspex at November 05, 2010 01:29 PM (HaIud)

234 No, nobody lost because of O'Donnell. If anything, she sucked away the negative publicity that would have been aimed at other successful Tea Party candidates.

If O'Donnell had not won, the MSM would have just run an endless loop of the Couric/Palin interview and said "See who's running the Tea Party?" Or they would have dug harder on the Rand Paul story and induced the Louisiana Attorney General to waive the statue of limitation on rape and kidnapping. Or they would pursued the Marco Rubio birth certificate angle.

I have one acronym for you, Drew and Ace: KTVA.

And boy, how you two would have been licking CO'D's pussy if she had won, even if it was featured on Smoking Gun.

Posted by: North Elizabeth at November 05, 2010 01:29 PM (bN5ZU)

235 Can Yusuf Islam bring his 'peace train' to restore sanity to this thread, please?

Posted by: laceyunderalls at November 05, 2010 01:30 PM (iPmsg)

236 Ok Ace since we are playing this game. Blaming Odonnel for those losses,can we treat her like a quarterback then? She gets blame when candidates lose and credit when they win? She gets credit for Rubio? Dozens of other Tea Party candidates that won? No as a matter of fact EVERY candidate we fielded was labeled a Tea Party Extremist, so she gets credit for winning the house!

Fair Enough? Or does it not work that way...?

Posted by: ScottinMiami at November 05, 2010 01:30 PM (rG+32)

237 If Sarah Palin is the candidate I'm going third party.
This I love. Ace.
It is about time we had this out, too. Palin as a candidateis the death knell for all of us.
(Palin aschair of the RNC is a possibility I could handle.)
However, replacing Barky with Bizarro Barky is not the answer.

Posted by: garrett at November 05, 2010 01:30 PM (LrfiV)

238 Ace,

Big mistake to pile on O'Donnell in this post-election non-party. You are helping to create the absolute wrong narrative after this historic election.

It was historic: 61-65 house seats fliipped, 6 senate. Seven governors ... or more.

And for you to ridiculously say that O'Donnell cost us Rossi and Buck, well, where's the evidence, big guy?

Posted by: MaxMBJ at November 05, 2010 01:30 PM (90bLF)

239 omg.....it just dawned on me......there was no wave because of christine.......it was only a ripple.......gregg was right!///////////

Posted by: phoenixgirl at November 05, 2010 01:30 PM (Cm66w)

240 COOL STORY, BRO!

Posted by: Thumbs Up Duuuuude at November 05, 2010 01:30 PM (IK0xQ)

241 Posted by: DarkLordOfTheIntarWebs at November 05, 2010 01:24 PM (GBXon)

Unfortunately you're right. My argument is that even a better conservative candidate who ran a better campaign would have been defeated Tues because there was not enough of a Repub Party and not a clear enough message based on reliable past performance

My complaint was that COD was unqualified and incompetent--blatantly so--and this dragged down PA and maybe even Conn Repub candidates.

My interim solution is to hold your nose and vote for Castle. When the Repub Party gets its Shit together, states like DE can be contested with GOOD conservative candidates running GOOD campaings

Posted by: SantaRosaStan at November 05, 2010 01:30 PM (UqKQV)

242 For the record, I hope posters realize thatthe last
twoCOD blogs here followed statements by COD blaming the Republican
Party. One side insists that every singleself-described conservative or
Republican support every singleconservative moonbat candidate that
can't win or forever bederided as an establishmentRINO traitor. The
other side is just supposed to sit and take it... Fuck you.

Posted by: swamp_yankee at November 05, 2010 01:28 PM (3DIBw)
You keep telling us that COD is a flake with no influence. Fine, then treat here whinings as such and stop making a federal case out of them.

Posted by: Oldcat at November 05, 2010 01:30 PM (z1N6a)

243 O'Donnells intellect doesn't pass muster because of what she has to sell, and the preconceived notions people have about what she is selling.

FWIW, it matters to this conservative that she made a hash of ideas that really matter to me. It's not just that she is dim, she is built on a bad foundation to defend what needs defending.

Posted by: SarahW at November 05, 2010 01:30 PM (Z4T49)

244 Who cares? The people of Massachusetts reelected Barney. I mean: My God. And then there's California.

Posted by: Mazzuchelli at November 05, 2010 01:30 PM (zAZNI)

245 Somehow the actual ARTICLE doesn't make it sounds as bad as you do, Ace.

So we're going to let it go, except when Drew and Ace decide they need to resurrect the horse some more. Notice that those of us who liked Christine O'Donnell don't keep bringing her up? It's over and we're willing to let it go, except you and Drew seem to like to relitigate and call us 'stupid'.

Christine O'Donnell is the physical manifestation of WHY the (R)s had a sweeping victory this year. With no Christine O'Donnell to beat a RINO like Castle, there is no enthusiasm or voter gap. It's 2008 all over again.

But please, keep calling us stupid. In 2012, when us STUPID conservatives don't turn out for you another estaliblishment candidate like McCain, then you and Drew can cry about how we fucked it up again.

Posted by: blindside at November 05, 2010 01:30 PM (x7g7t)

246 Posted by: Blue Hen at November 05, 2010 01:16 PM (R2fpr)Yes, Castle was the Maine Sisters, but he was better than Coons. Your state has a heavy Demo registration but a history of electing RINOs. Conservatives don't get elected in DelaWareWhen in Rome / When in Wilmington or Newark.......
Posted by: SantaRosaStan
1. I agree. I have BEEN agreeing with this. For months.
2. I was arguing in favor of Castle, and voted for him in the primary.
3. I get it. Many of us did. But for the reasons that I keep mentioning, Castle fucked up the primary, she won, and some of us tried to rally behind what we were stuck with. And some here refused to ever do that. yesterday's thread shows some regulars happy that Coons won it rather than O'Donnell. Go review it.

Posted by: Blue Hen at November 05, 2010 01:31 PM (R2fpr)

247 Notice how Pelosi said she would stand for "Dem Leader"-it hasnt sunk in yet, she's in denial! She cant bring herself to say "Minority!"

Watching her sink through anger and depression will be schadenfreude-licious!

Posted by: Whatever at November 05, 2010 01:31 PM (IDBTs)

248 Clearly, holding conservative views can't be enough anymore.

Ay-men, and a corollary:

Too many Republicans (present company excepted) get into this trust thing for candidates who share their belief system. I have an inkling that that's how COD and Angle got pushed and nominated. That way lies Huckabee.

Posted by: Miss Teen South Carolina at November 05, 2010 01:31 PM (5VI11)

249 Primary Snowe, Collins, and Brown?


Please discuss.

Posted by: Guy who likes to fan the flames at November 05, 2010 01:08 PM (8s9tr)
Too early to worry about Brown; but Snowe, Collins? Yeah, I think so.
Who would I look for? Someone like Snowe and Collins were say 10 years ago at a minimum.When your lifetime ACU rating is 48 (for both) and your past 5 year average ACU rating is 31.2(Snowe) or 36.8(Collins)... you're on the other side and trending left. Agreed?
Do I think that replacing someone on our side who opposes conservatism about twice as often as they support it for the past 5 year range is worth looking at? Yes.Feel free to disagree, but if O'Donnell being batshit crazy and Republican hurt; why doesn't have the Liberal antics sisters being liberal-crazy hurt anything?
Is that the new motto, we're such a big fucking tent we'll take big government big tax, big spending liberals as-is with no problem?It's too early to look at Brown, but once he's got a term under his belt we'll see how he did. He pulls a 50-60 ACU, that's probably all we can ask for given his position. He pulls Olympia Snowe's average for the past 5 years of 31.2? What good is that?I assume if someone were running an ACU rating of 0-15% (aka Harry Reid) you'd be willing to primary them regardless; so where is your cutoff? And is the 5 year range better than lifetime for seeing trends for you, or if they were conservative years ago can they go full-bore liberal for years without complaint?Tell me it's a blue state and we can't elect an 80%+ conservative candidate there? Disappointing but probably true. Tell me it's so blue a state we can't hope for more than maybe a 30% conservative? Then let them go all the fucking way down.I don't see a need to run a 10% candidate, hand him the Republican label and a microphone and dilute the brand to the point where it doesn't mean anything. Or did we think 2006 was really fun?

Posted by: Gekkobear at November 05, 2010 01:31 PM (7TZuc)

250 Two households, both alike in dignity, in fair Verona, where we lay our
scene. From ancient grudge break to new mutiny, where civil blood makes
civil hands unclean. From forth the fatal loins of these two foes, a
pair of star-crossed lovers take their life.

Posted by: father laurence at November 05, 2010 01:31 PM (eQPq+)

251 broken records | records that repeat | replica stuck tapes | bargain frozen mp3's | repetitive things | repetitive things | things that keep happening over and over

Posted by: replica threads at November 05, 2010 01:31 PM (CVNye)

252 omg it just dawned on me.....there was no wave because of sarah...it was only a ripple....gregg was right!/////

Posted by: phoenixgirl at November 05, 2010 01:31 PM (Cm66w)

253 jesus fucking christ, seriously?

Posted by: Unclefacts, Summoner of Meteors, Pudding Dipper Extraodinaire at November 05, 2010 01:31 PM (eCAn3)

254 I did my bit. How about the angry shouters who like shouting about how angry they are stop with the purge crap?.

That's as much as I'm asking. Just bear in mind, the last two days it ain't been the 'purists' starting the fights.

Posted by: DarkLordOfTheIntarWebs at November 05, 2010 01:31 PM (GBXon)

255 Ace, you're showing a little too much "See, I was right all along" syndrome. Not pretty to look at.

Posted by: MaxMBJ at November 05, 2010 01:31 PM (90bLF)

256 Whoa, that was last night's sock. Little things just fell out of it and ran across the floor.

Posted by: arhooley, future ex-Californian at November 05, 2010 01:32 PM (5VI11)

257 She was a flawed candidate. It happens. It happened in NY, in CO, and NV this year as well. She was not the most flawed - that was Maes in CO.
Don't blame her for any influence she may have had on independents in other states. Blame the media. The media made her a national story, but ignores the idiocy of far left candidates like Grayson, Waters, etc.

Posted by: Monkeytoe at November 05, 2010 01:32 PM (sOx93)

258 Christine O'Donnell cost us 680 state legislature seats!

Wait, what?

Posted by: Waterhouse at November 05, 2010 01:32 PM (8P1HU)

259 Those goddamn hick lowlife sisterscrewin teapartiers with their pocket constitutions. How dare they turn the house dark red and not flip the senate. The republicans were doing just fine on their own. They have Lindsey Graham and John McCain.

Posted by: dagny at November 05, 2010 01:32 PM (wiRir)

260 The Pubs should have listened to Rudy - say nothing bad about a fellow Pub; do the minimum, walk away slowly. Do not do what the Dims did to Alvin Greene, did they depress the black vote and cost Spratt his job?

Posted by: Jean at November 05, 2010 01:32 PM (7Jipo)

261 Best description of O'Donnell that I've read: "a grifter dingbat."

Don't remember where I read it, but it fits.

I hope she goes away soon.

Posted by: sauropod at November 05, 2010 01:32 PM (GPm6P)

262 Stop playing defense. Start playing offense. You won't win every time, but if you haven't noticed, small government conservatives playing it safe have been getting our asses kicked for the last hundred years. I think its time to test a new strategy.

Posted by: The Pricker! at November 05, 2010 01:32 PM (pKpfd)

263 I call bullshit on you going third party if Palin gets the nod Ace. You'll back her because the alternative is so much fucking worse.

Posted by: mastour at November 05, 2010 01:32 PM (fIg94)

264 Chalk Rossi's and Buck's loss up to her as well.

Yeah I will when you can explain why so many more Republicans voted for the Democrat than Democrats who voted for the Republicans.

Maybe it's because so many righty bloggers and columnists, present company excluded, spent so much time even after the primary saying how she was awful and unfit and made it the idea of voting against "The Tea Party" candidate quite acceptable for your run of the mill RINO voter?

Posted by: Rocks at November 05, 2010 01:32 PM (Q1lie)

265 Has Castle endorsed her, has the NRSC given her every dime they had., had Karl Rove sang her praises, and everything else, do you honestly, in your heart and mind, believe she could have won?

Posted by: Ben at November 05, 2010 01:13 PM

Perhaps not. But at least Castle and Rove would have been acting like good Republicans.

Posted by: Oldcat at November 05, 2010 01:14 PM

Exactly. Had Castle won, every Castle-supporter would have been telling every COD-supporter to suck it up and support Castle 100%, because that is what good Republicans do. The fact that these same people did not follow their own rules with regards to O'Donnell's Primary victory speaks volumes about them.

The point was never whether or not she could win. The point has always been that the accepted rule is for all Republicans to get behind the Primary winner. Period. That would have been the expectation had Castle won. But that rule was thrown to the wayside once O'Donnell won.

Neither candidate was any good. Castle was an embarrassment to the GOP, because he made the GOP seem no different than the Democrats. O'Donnell was an embarrassment to the GOP, because she fit into the Left's stereotype of Republicans as stupid and extreme. It was a lose-lose scenario from the get-go.

But what did not help at all was not just the lack of support for her, but the deliberate attacks on her by her own side. After the debate, I went to many right-of-center blogs who highlighted the fact that Coons didn't know any of the rights in the 1st Amendment. I came here and there was a long post not about Coons' ignorance, but about the media attacks on O'Donnell and how they were right and how O'Donnell was an idiot.

That says it all right there. If people didn't like her as a candidate, fine, don't support her. But at the very least, go after her extremely weak opponent and highlight his ignorance and Marxism like most on the right were doing, instead of echoing O'Donnell's weaknesses like everyone on the Left was doing.

Posted by: Clyde Shelton at November 05, 2010 01:33 PM (NITzp)

266 New data in: Christine O'Donnell cost Sparky Anderson his life. Also, she's the reason Satan's approval ratings are now up into the high teens. Also, that volcano that just happened ... Christine O'Donnell's behind it.

Posted by: MaxMBJ at November 05, 2010 01:33 PM (90bLF)

267 She turned good candidates into a newt!

Posted by: nickless at November 05, 2010 01:33 PM (MMC8r)

268 Hey, you know the difference between Democrat nutjobs and Republican nutjobs?

Democrat nutjobs actually get elected.

So what. COD lost... Apparently, the people of Connecticut preferred the other retread (a hold-your-nose-and-vote choice if there ever was one). But CT is deep blue and she lost by 16 friggin' points. That ain't the Establishment's fault.

I'll take our six pickups and be happy. Even happier if Miller somehow gets number seven. Two years of gridlock is infinitely better than the past two years we've had...


Posted by: Original Mikey at November 05, 2010 01:33 PM (dOatv)

269 broken records | records that repeat | replica stuck tapes | bargain
frozen mp3's | repetitive things | repetitive things | things that keep
happening over and over

Nobody buy anything from this guy.

Posted by: Weatherman Phil at November 05, 2010 01:33 PM (8P1HU)

270 Were there no Nikki Haleys in Delaware? Christ.
Posted by: Auspex

A fair question. Short answer: no.But then,Haley struggled last Tuesday, beset by things real and imagined, and in a red state.

Posted by: Blue Hen at November 05, 2010 01:33 PM (R2fpr)

271 Joe Miller is fighting Murky in Alaska, and Renee Ellmers is fighting a recount in NC, and Ace and Drew can only think about O'Donnell?
I can't figure out why the bloggers on this site are bobbingalong on Rovian nether regions.

Posted by: Scoob at November 05, 2010 01:33 PM (T7+JL)

272 Yesterday Mark Levin claimed that the GOP sabotaged Miller's campaign to get "their friend" Morlokski elected. One example was that they ran an ad attacking the Dem rather than pumping Miller, which would if anything drive Dems to Murky.

Posted by: whatever at November 05, 2010 01:33 PM (XIXhw)

273 @268: CO'D was from Delaware, NOT Connecticut.

Not that Connecticut doesn't suck.

Posted by: CoolCzech at November 05, 2010 01:34 PM (tJjm/)

274
Look, the GOP has 99 problems and a bitch ain't one of 'em.

1) We need to stop voter fraud.
2) We need to up our own game of vilifaication, e.g., make Bill Ayers/Bernadine Dorhn the face of the Democrat party and George Soros the man behind the Democrat party.

Christine O'Donnell is the LAST thing we need to be worrying about now.

Posted by: Soothsayer at November 05, 2010 01:34 PM (uFokq)

275 Ace and Karl sitting in a tree
K-i-s-s-i-n-g
First comes love
Then comes marriage
Then comes Ace with a bloody axe and a Paladino baseball bat to beat the shit out of Christine O'Donnell. Rove cheers on in the background.

Posted by: MaxMBJ at November 05, 2010 01:34 PM (90bLF)

276 We woulda won if it t'werent fer that blasted Yankee Christine O'Donnell!

Posted by: The South - 1865 at November 05, 2010 01:34 PM (JH/Ld)

277 Worst major party candidates: Greene, Meas, COD, the two dead Dims that still won, Crist, ...

Posted by: Jean at November 05, 2010 01:34 PM (aemFw)

278 I come not to praise Christine O'Donnell, but to bury her. Although I supported her, I am willing to admit that she turned out to be almost as poor a candidate as Mike Castle would have been.

Posted by: Otis Criblecoblis at November 05, 2010 01:34 PM (fjoLg)

279 So how many seats did Alvin Greene cost the Democrats?
Posted by: Dr. Heinz Doofenshmirtz at November 05, 2010 01:17 PM (Bs34i)
!!!!!!!Eleventy!!!!!

Posted by: Christine O'Donnell at November 05, 2010 01:34 PM (a3Z62)

280 Oldcat - I think the point isn't really to dog O'Donnell, who will likely never be taken seriously as a candidate again.

The point is part I told you so and part don't be so farging blind next time; if you cut off your hand to save yourself from creeping gangrene, fine, but don't start saying you rubber glove replacement is GREAT. Nobody will believe you.

Posted by: SarahW at November 05, 2010 01:34 PM (Z4T49)

281 You know who was flawed? Raese. He really does live in Florida. He really did just ask for an easement to erect a conservatory and a large lit playhouse on his mansion's grounds. He really wasn't a good candidate for WV.

Posted by: dagny at November 05, 2010 01:34 PM (wiRir)

282 >>>i get she was nutty....but she wasn't nutty enough to not vote for over a commie or a rino......and how the hell can anyone blame her for an out of deleware candidate's loss?

With all due respect, I think this is the problem: You cannot put yourself in the shoes of a NON-ideological swing voter. Even when you try, you still can't understand how someone could make this choice.

I can. I knew it would happen.

By the way, Coons sold himself as a moderate and I knew it was over during the debates, because he did in fact SOUND moderate. He presented himself well.

Evidence? Jim Geraghty is one of those 'game faces" guys (guys who kind of shade the truth before an election, like me) and the best he could say about the debates for O'D is that she might get a "sympathy factor" due to Coons' "obvious disdain."

That is what you call weaksauce, trying to put a nice spin on things. If a Geraghty says that, let me translate: O'Donnell had her ass handed to her.

He came across as reasonable and she didn't. (She also came across as dumb, weird, and kind of crazy, which, by the way, is the 411 from anyone who's dealt with her personally.)

And so the public convinced itself he was moderate/liberal and that's cool with them, because Delaware is a moderate/liberal state.

Here's the thing: Let's say that I am a RINO. Okay? Let's say that. I don't think I am, but I do think I have some RINO tendencies, at least.

Who do you think better understands an indpendent, who isn't EVEN a RINO?

Me, the RINO, or a True Conservative who has trouble imagining that anyone could vote for Coons?

Me, of course. I can not only imagine it I would have bet $50,000 on it.

The benefit of being a RINO (or a conservative with RINO tendencies) is that I am actually closer to an independent, so if I say "Independents tend to think like this" I am not just making it up. I can get into the mind of an indpendent because I used to be one.

Posted by: ace at November 05, 2010 01:35 PM (nj1bB)

283 forgot AlexG - put him ahead of Crist

Posted by: Jean at November 05, 2010 01:35 PM (judfL)

284 >I kept quiet on O'Donnell and pretended she could win (By the way, I was lying; I knew she couldn't......


Dude.

Posted by: Dr. Spank at November 05, 2010 01:35 PM (Y81Xa)

285 Hey! We here in Illinois require almost zero experience in order to be a U.S. Senator (or a president, for that matter.) Why should Delaware-ians be any different?

Posted by: not that Greg at November 05, 2010 01:35 PM (QkqDN)

286 y'know.....
you could put up an open thread for those of us that love this website but hate these threads.
or not. but ya could!

Posted by: laceyunderalls at November 05, 2010 01:35 PM (iPmsg)

287 it's really delaware's fault

Posted by: phoenixgirl at November 05, 2010 01:35 PM (Cm66w)

288
I did my bit. How about the angry shouters who like shouting about how angry they are stop with the purge crap?






Posted by: ace at November 05, 2010 01:27 PM (nj1bB)
WHO THE F#CK ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT?!!!!1!11!!!

Posted by: Ed Anger at November 05, 2010 01:35 PM (7+pP9)

289 Christine O'Donnell
Playing out the victim card
Can't stop the whining

Posted by: Fritz at November 05, 2010 01:35 PM (GwPRU)

290 BREAKING:


PELOSI TO RUN FOR MINORITY LEADER.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at November 05, 2010 01:36 PM (9Cooa)

291 Just to show you how politically savvy Ace, Drew, and Jerf B are, these
are the people who want the GOP to either cede or embargo all the social
issues and run strictly on a fiscal conservative platform.
Posted by: Soothsayer at November 05, 2010 01:29 PM (uFokq)


You know what I like about you? You never get tired of not knowing what you are talking or making shit up.

Read this and you'll see what I want to do about embargoing social issues.

But don't let the facts get in the way.

Posted by: DrewM. at November 05, 2010 01:36 PM (HicGG)

292 When the Repub Party gets its Shit together, states like DE can be
contested with GOOD conservative candidates running GOOD campaings

To change the subject slightly, the reason CO'D was the candidate that won against Castle is because the GOOD conservative candidates are dissuaded by the establishment GOP from running against establishment liberal GOP candidates.

Posted by: Guy Fawkes at November 05, 2010 01:36 PM (JcRgg)

293 205 Well, I think she might have managed it, nutty and all, if she'd gone out there and freaking campaigned.
People like to bring up IL; let's do: Kirk was not a strong canidate, but he was blessed because 1)Gino is a mobster -- that was the #1 thing I heard from people here: Kirk was bad, but that Gino is a mobster, no way I'm voting for him (and Coons could have easily been nailed himself -- as a commie and a thug for the way he punished employees for "bad thoughts"); 2)the political climate in IL: IL has about had it with Democrats (even Kirk was considered too much of a squish to win by many; it's what made him a weak canidate), and anything that smells like Chicago; it's worth pointing out that while Brady lost to Quinn; he just conceded today I think (or is going to) and it was a super, super close race -- Brady did not get blown out of the water by any stretch, and a lot of Illinoisians are damn unhappy that he lost (IL is about as "blue" I'm guessing as Delaware -- people are not happy with the Dems right now, a good campaign with a good canidate would have gotten a win in Delaware).; 3)the GOP here ran a strong campaign -- it was about the party more than the canidates on their side, and they made it about the canidates not the party against the Dems (which helped a lot).
No, O'Donnell lost because she didn't switch the campaign conversation to it being about the party (for her side) and then about Coons -- I think she liked it being "all Christine, all the time"...and a lot of that attention did not cast her (or the Republicans or the Tea Party) in a positive light.
The Tea Party and the Republicans got played by this cow -- sorry, but looks like the worst suspicions are being found true -- now you have to get out in front of her and disengage yourselves from her, which will be a tricky thing to do. oy

Posted by: unknown jane at November 05, 2010 01:36 PM (5/yRG)

294 where have the mike castles of yesteryear gone?

Posted by: phoenixgirl at November 05, 2010 01:36 PM (Cm66w)

295 I'm going to pass on this one.

Posted by: Ronster at November 05, 2010 01:36 PM (9q4PA)

296 I guess the thousand post flog fest wasn't enough. Unfuckinbelieveable.

Posted by: Unclefacts, Summoner of Meteors, Pudding Dipper Extraodinaire at November 05, 2010 01:37 PM (eCAn3)

297 The election is over; CO'D is yesterday's news.

Isn't the REAL question for morons now, "Is CO'D multi-orgasmic?"

Posted by: CoolCzech at November 05, 2010 01:37 PM (tJjm/)

298 Meh, if you moderates had picked a better candidate than Mike Castle, that candidate could have beat O'Donnell. You didn't pick better, Castle lost. So, just as O'Donnell should quit her whining... you numbnuts should quit yours.

This shit is getting old.

Posted by: The Chicken at November 05, 2010 01:37 PM (00/a9)

299 Sure, O'Donnell was a flawed candidate, at best. But she would have voted against the Democrats. Castle would have voted with them. Not much of a choice, seems to me.

Posted by: BeckoningChasm at November 05, 2010 01:37 PM (bvfVF)

300 Posted by: ace at November 05, 2010 01:27 PM (nj1bB)

She didn't affect WA or Colorado, ace. Drained some votes from Toomey, probably, and maybe Conn, Maybe. As others have noted, the MFM would have found another Whipping Girl ( probably Bachmann ) if COD weren't around

She was a Mess, but probably this year any conservative Republican in DE was climbing up a steep hill.


Posted by: SantaRosaStan at November 05, 2010 01:38 PM (UqKQV)

301 Damn. The shit that people will talk themselves into buying into.

Posted by: Hussein the Plumber at November 05, 2010 01:38 PM (r1h5M)

302 dagny - I think Rease would have beaten anyone other then Manchin and if Manchin knew how tough it was going to be - he might have stayed out. He took a good shot, being Rockerfeller rich doesn't have to hurt in WV.

Posted by: Jean at November 05, 2010 01:38 PM (G5WHn)

303 I detect some punching downward.
And nice quote andy.

Posted by: dagny at November 05, 2010 01:38 PM (wiRir)

304 Welcome back, Ace! I guess all the cocktail parties are over now?

Posted by: Mob at November 05, 2010 01:38 PM (mefTt)

305 If Sarah Palin is the candidate I'm going third party.
This I love. Ace.
It is about time we had this out, too. Palin as a candidateis the death knell for all of us.
(Palin aschair of the RNC is a possibility I could handle.)
However, replacing Barky with Bizarro Barky is not the answer.

Totally fucked up. I'm not her biggest fan for president but if she gets the nomination we have got to support her. Geez we have been over that a million fucking times and "I can play that game too" does not fucking cut it Ace. First of all I know you don't believe it so why go there? Just to make a point down in the mud with the other guy?
I know you get frustrated but don't start that third party shit please - not you. Like or not your the pro athelete who is now a roll model. Watch yourself - don't get lured into stupid shit and stay the fucking course.

Posted by: Roadking at November 05, 2010 01:38 PM (It/63)

306 Go ahead, Ace, tellus that you were aware of Mike Castle's record befor3e you and drew decided to join a few other GOP bloggers with your "Mike Castle ain't such a bad feller" posts a couple of weeks before the primary. You didn't know, did you, that he
Voted YES on TARPVoted YES on Cap and TradeVoted YES on Cash for ClunkersVoted YES on the auto bailoutVoted YES on bailing out Fannie and FreddieVoted YES on SCHIP (w/ tax increase)Voted YES to increase taxes on oil and gas companiesVoted YES to increase the minimum wageVoted NO to open up ANWRVoted YES on the pork-infested 2005 Highway billVoted NO to restrict eminent domain abuseVoted YES to increase funding for PBSVoted YES on the Medicare drug benefitVoted YES on No Child Left BehindVoted YES on McCain-FeingoldVoted NO to end milk subsidiesVoted NO on waiving Davis-Bacon labor rule

You were being a team player, you thought, so you put up a post about a guy you knew little about. rather than admit that you blew it, you're still defending that uninformed first post. And doing so in a very weak way.

Posted by: louis tully at November 05, 2010 01:38 PM (K/USr)

307 Oh I get it, if we say Christine O'Donnell - the retard, the grifter, the attention whore, the weakest candidate of all time (all of which I agree with by the way) - is the one that cost us the Senate and therefore the hopes and dreams of America for all time, then we can flex our little e-peens and say I TOLD YOU SO.
Makes perfect sense now.
And boo fucking hoo if some people are throwing the RINO title at the bloggers with reckless abandon. I'm pretty sure they're a small minority. When did people become so thin skinned here? I'm not seeing a bunch of threadjackers here whining about her getting the shaft. But there have now been a couple of posts by you bloggers picking at the scab.
She's an attention whore.IGNORE HER and she'll go away. The media made her a bigger deal than she was and you conservative establishment and new media types giving her attention as well is only playing her game.Candidates who lose cry foul all the time, but you guys are picking up on her. Why? Because you were right about her.
Here's a clue: almost everyone hereknows you were right and agrees with you more or less. Guess what, we're not looking at a 50/50 tie because of her,so you were wrong about how big of a deal she was in The Grand Strategy. Get over it, it's not a big deal.
Whoever said this was the stupidest post they've ever read here, I'm with them.

Posted by: Burn the Witch at November 05, 2010 01:38 PM (fLHQe)

308 Right Ace, Christine ODonell started the recession.

Posted by: Alvin Greene at November 05, 2010 01:39 PM (K/USr)

309 This is all about control of the narrative. And the narrative being pushed by both sides is that she's a know-nothing, done-nothing crackpot that has been a disaster.

The intended consequence of this narrative is for all us righties to stay on the reservation and take our marching orders from the Roves and Castles out there. People who want to maintain the behemoth government on the backs of the people, but want to be the ones running the show. This naturally appeals to the lefties who want to maintain the behemoth government on the backs of the people but want to run the show themselves -- they won't have to reconstruct the bureaucracy every time there's a change in party.

COD may really have been a know-nothing, done-nothing crackpot, for all I know -- or she may have been the reincarnation of Ronaldus Maximus. I've never met her, and I don't trust the people who have tried to tell me about her any farther than I can throw them. She may be finished, she may return in two years. I'm not all that interested either way -- the good fight isn't about her, it's about the people behind the scenes who are growing the government, intruding it further into our lives, and robbing us of our freedoms.....whether or not they have a D, R, I, L, G, or X after their names.

Posted by: cthulhu at November 05, 2010 01:39 PM (/0IOT)

310 I'll be back when this is over.

Posted by: dagny at November 05, 2010 01:39 PM (wiRir)

311 O' Donnell must be a witch. It's strange how she can cause GOP losses 3,000miles away Washington and yet right next door in the same media market as O'Donnel in Pennsylvania the GOP won big.
Now that is some witchcraft

Posted by: robtr at November 05, 2010 01:40 PM (hVDig)

312 fuck Delaware (and California).

The easiest way to get to a liberal heart?

Through the chest wall.

Conservatism works( imperfectly) . Liberalism doesn't work at all.

No more apologies.

Also COD should show her fellow conservatives the same courtesy she was demanding previously and STFU.

Posted by: whatevah at November 05, 2010 01:40 PM (Y8vi9)

313 Dr. Heinz, None, because the media did not make him the face of the party, for obvious reasons. And the GOP didn't run ads against him, linking him to candidates (which many Democrats did with O'Donnell).
The who's the hell fault is that then? Sounds like the RNC or somebody dropped the ball on linking Greene with Democrat candidates.
People seem to understand this (as BeckoningChasm does) but then say "Okay then well change the media." ??? What? Are we pretending we found a genie lamp and have three wishes? Candidates are supposed to, if possible, make some changes in the world; we are not expected to change the world in order to make a candidate viable.
Your entire premise is just stupid. Dino Rossi wasn't even the Tea Party candidate in the primaries. In fact, he still had that primary Tea Party guy who wouldn't support him in the general. I don't know about Buck in Colorado. But, he has his own problems ifhe couldn'twin against an incumbentwith 9.6% unemployment and $1.3 trillion dollar deficit. Saying O'Donnell was the problem is just plain stupid.

Posted by: Dr. Heinz Doofenshmirtz at November 05, 2010 01:40 PM (4JpPD)

314 I guess the thousand post flog fest wasn't enough. Unfuckinbelieveable.
Posted by: Unclefacts, Summoner of Meteors, Pudding Dipper Extraodinaire at November 05, 2010 01:37 PM (eCAn3)
What sucks is that it's a legitimate argument and one that won't be resolved until every last Commie fuck in this country is dead or in exile.
In other words, it ain't going away.

Posted by: ErikW at November 05, 2010 01:40 PM (pfVEX)

315 The benefit of being a RINO (or a conservative with
RINO tendencies) is that I am actually closer to an independent, so if I
say "Independents tend to think like this" I am not just making it up.
I can get into the mind of an indpendent because I used to be one.



Posted by: ace at November 05, 2010 01:35 PM (nj1bB)
Well as soon as I am put in charge of selecting nominees for the state of Delaware, I will be sure to give you a ring. Since currently that is in the hands of the Republican party members of that state, I don't see the purpose of any of this.

Posted by: Oldcat at November 05, 2010 01:41 PM (z1N6a)

316 "Washington D.C. political insiders undermined her campaign, including Karl Rove, Vice President and former Delaware Senator Joe Biden, and according to some even the White House."

Then there was the strawberries, that's when they all turned against me! They said it was the mess boys, but no no I knew that there was a spare key. I proved it using geometric logic....

Posted by: Phillip Francis O'Donnell at November 05, 2010 01:41 PM (02uN6)

317 thanks for all your hard work for us. we really appreciate it folks! I imagine soon you'll be linking to LGF. I love it when you guys help us!

Posted by: Preznit Odumbass & the Libs at November 05, 2010 01:41 PM (jttPx)

318 Two households, both alike in dignity, in fair Verona, where we lay our scene. From ancient grudge break to new mutiny, where civil blood makes civil hands unclean. From forth the fatal loins of these two foes, a pair of star-crossed lovers take their life.
Posted by: father laurence

Yea verily.

Posted by: Blue Hen at November 05, 2010 01:41 PM (R2fpr)

319 Keep it up and there'll be a Third party candidate.
This threat is banter about consistently around here. Sorry, I remain skeptical. And for good reasons. Mounting a serious and credible third party effort is not as easy as the Little Rascals sitting around and saying Hey, Spanky, lets put on a play.

First, there is the organization. It is one thing to get 300,000 people to show up in Washington for a Rally. That is no small feat and its a feather in the cap of those who organize it. But, do you have any idea how many precincts there are in America? In Illinois, you have about 1600. Kansas actually has about that many, they are just smaller sized precincts. And these arent people who are just motivated to go to a one day rally, they have to motivated to work months well before an election.

Second, there is ballot access. The Tea Party would not be granted ballot access as of right. For every candidate you field, plan on getting the signatures of anywhere from 3 to 10% of the voters of that particular office in the 2010 election. Then better scrap up some cash for the legal challenges. And who is going to do that well, you are. Well, you and few other tens of thousands of volunteers.

Third, there is money. Yes, money. Message is great. Organization is great. Message plus organization plus money is even better. And what happens to organizations once money gets interjected. Well, you have to start deciding what principles you can compromise. Because very few people and entities donate to a political campaign out of the goodness of their heart. They want something. It may be they just want your opponent defeat because he/she is a major road block to their goal. But not always. Yes, donors do donate to candidates they believe more closely represent their views. That tends to be the 100 to 500 dollar donor. And these donors are invaluable to a candidate. But, a fundraiser who can bring in 100 max. donors is just as valuable as 1000 100 dollar donors.

Fourth, there is the actual number of volunteers you need for a ground game. Its more than just a precinct committee person. Its poll watchers, vote drivers, election judges, etc. Your way past the 300,000 people you go to show up to your rally. And that is not just in one area. 10 volunteers in Joplin, Missouri just cant be put in, oh, Florida. Well, they can bebut you can see the cost there (please see not three).

And Fifth, there is the leadership. Yea, yea, I know, I dont know anything about the Tea Party, its a grass root organization, it doesnt need leaders. O.K., yealets assume that I dont know anything about the Tea Party. I know a little something about organizations in general and political organizations in particular. You need leaders. Yes, there have been hippie communes that have survived months without a leader. Until everyone quit because being a leaderless organization resulted in everything sucking. Or everyone quit because they wanted to be leader. And what happens when the leadership starts arguing over something, or starts, dare I sayyea I will, compromising to get something done. Dont think that will happen already has. Ask Sarah Palin who she endorsed in the New Hampshire Senate Republican primary. Then ask Jim DeMint. Please dont ask shocked when you find out their answers are different. Then ask, what happens if this starts happening again, and again, and again.

Most third parties arise mainly because of a singular issue and a singular leader. See the Reform Party.

You can keep threatening to go third party. And it may work, for awhile. But eventually, someone will get tired of it and call your bluff. Then what are you going to do?

Posted by: Mallamutt at November 05, 2010 01:41 PM (OWjjx)

320 No stories on the 195K ballots suddenly appearing in Fresno and Kern Counties? nothing? not close enough to NYC to merit attention from this blog? nothing? nada? just kookafornia, no?

134K in Fresno 65k in Kern. hel-fuckin-O?

Nothing to see here, please continue with the O'Donnell schadenfreude stroke-fest.

Jesuseffinchrist, talk about myopic.

Posted by: 13times at November 05, 2010 01:41 PM (h6XiD)

321 Yes, Castle was the Maine Sisters, but he was better than Coons.
Your state has a heavy Demo registration but a history of electing
RINOs. Conservatives don't get elected in DelaWare

When in Rome / When in Wilmington or Newark.......

Posted by: SantaRosaStan
Average ACU rating for the past 5 years in the 30's and trending downward for the past decade? AWESOME, lets elect him!
What do Republicans stand for? Not a god damned thing, we CAN'T stand for anything anywhere ever. We MUST support those who will work to oppose us 2/3rd to 3/4rd of the time.
When in Rome, hire mercenaries to shoot you and all your friends in the face... why not, it's the Republican strategic plan.You've got that magic (R) behind your name Mr. Liberal? Well then I must support you entirely, please stab me in the back whenever you care to.Seriously? This is good political thinking? I think I get why the size and scope of government will never decrease.

Posted by: Gekkobear at November 05, 2010 01:41 PM (7TZuc)

322 the reason CO'D was the candidate that won against
Castle is because the GOOD conservative candidates are dissuaded by the
establishment GOP from running against establishment liberal GOP
candidates.

Posted by: Guy Fawkes at November 05, 2010 01:36 PM (JcRgg)
I agree: Republicans as a party need an intervention. Not doing so will only bring on more CODs and leave us with Castle, etc. Delaware is a tough sell, though, and not exactly a typical state3 frakkin counties.........

Posted by: SantaRosaStan at November 05, 2010 01:41 PM (UqKQV)

323 Shit. Got DE and CT mixed up.

/hillbilly from flyover country
//you can't expect me to know the difference

Posted by: Original Mikey at November 05, 2010 01:41 PM (dOatv)

324 I'll be back when this is over.

This ain't gonna be over any time soon, because it's also about Palin. Buy asbestos.

Posted by: arhooley, future ex-Californian at November 05, 2010 01:41 PM (5VI11)

325 Again - please explain why the DE Gubanotorial republican candidate lost by the the same margin (well within MOE). Let me guess, COD cost that race, too.

Now explain to me why Fiorina and Whitman aren't to blame for the basically straight-ticket losses suffered in California? They were EXACTLY the type of candidates Californians should LOVE, yet they were crushed.

Sometimes, it isn't about the candidate, but the (R) or (D) after their names.

Posted by: blindside at November 05, 2010 01:42 PM (x7g7t)

326 Maybe she should have run with the witch thing; little skin, some candles, the left would have gotten all confused.

Posted by: Jean at November 05, 2010 01:42 PM (Ja6pC)

327 I'll be back when this is over.
Posted by: dagny at November 05, 2010 01:39 PM (wiRir)
same here. maybe.

Posted by: Vergeltung at November 05, 2010 01:42 PM (jttPx)

328 Can't wait until she runs for the nomination again in 2014!

DAMN YOU, ROVE!

Posted by: Good Lt. at November 05, 2010 01:42 PM (jH17H)

329 Speaking of Patty Murray again, of the al Qaeda daycare centers argument.That's weapons-grade stupid. Daycare presumes a functioning modern economy. And further presumeswomen can leave the home to go to a job.
She was talking about fucking Seventh Centurysharia-hell uber-misogynist Afghanistan. In the news. Every. Day. For Decades.
There should be a basic skills test for Senate.Given that level of toleratedignorance, COD seemsqualified. TorepresentWashington for sure.Not to mention how awful Coons will turn out to be: Harry Reid's "pet."
Anyway, the friendly fire sure makes pretty lights. Pretty.

Posted by: Beagle at November 05, 2010 01:42 PM (sOtz/)

330

Reason 8,794 why the GOP establishment sucks:

North Carolina Republican Renee Elmers thought she had beat Democrat incumbent Bob the Hug Etheridge, but with the threat of a recount looming, Elmers turned to the National Republican Campaign Committee for help with legal fees. The NRCC, strangely, refused, providing a stark contrast to the NRCCs claim over Tuesday nights victory. It also undermines the narrative parroted by the press from Sen. Lindsey Grahams, R-S.C., claim that the Tea Party movement somehow bungled the 2010 Republican victory.

Instead, we have a much different narrative: The GOP establishment, Graham included, has been more of a liability because of its refusal to help candidates.

Posted by: Ed Anger at November 05, 2010 01:42 PM (7+pP9)

331 The benefit of being a RINO (or a conservative with
RINO tendencies) is that I am actually closer to an independent, so if I
say "Independents tend to think like this" I am not just making it up.
I can get into the mind of an indpendent because I used to be one.





Posted by: ace at November 05, 2010 01:35 PM (nj1bB)
The problem is that people like Levin think that if the right conservative argument is placed before independents that they will do a face-palm and say "Damn, you're right. Sign me up as a dyed in the wool conservative"
And contrary to what Levin and shouters like him say, that isn't how Reagan won. There's pretty good polling that the TP lost support in some states before the election because the Dems used COD to attack the TP.
Again, those few percentage points were the margin of victory.

Posted by: Quilly Mammoth at November 05, 2010 01:42 PM (p/o52)

332 Because--like Sarah Palin--she's perceived as an embarrassment to conservatives, CO'D stories will be in the press for years. Until 2012, of course. Then, as the Mayans say, we're all boned.

Posted by: jwpaine at November 05, 2010 01:43 PM (FUozQ)

333 maybe if she had been a vampire...

Posted by: phoenixgirl at November 05, 2010 01:43 PM (Cm66w)

334 I would support Palin as candidate (she's no Angle or O'Donnell) but I hope my GOP brethren would not make the huge mistake of nominating her. She polls horribly with independents. We can debate as to why, and if it's fair, but it's still a fact. I don't want to see any of the current clowns be nominated in 2012 (Huckabee, Romney, Gingrich, etc). We need new blood.

Obamacare goes all in in 2014. We need a GOP president in 2013 to stop it.

Posted by: Chris R at November 05, 2010 01:43 PM (AO4qz)

335 Funny. The ushered her onto the national stage against the advice of every sentient being on the planet, praised her debate performances and excoriated anyone who dared look askance, insisted that conservatism wins everywhere it's tried, declared the old guard useless as she ushered in a new dawn of conservatism is a deep blue pocket on the Atlantic coast ... and now they don't want to talk about her anymore.

Posted by: Walt Gilbert at November 05, 2010 01:43 PM (PmZ9N)

336 You won't see this Ace mother fucker or his parrot DrewM actually make a logical defense for voting for Castle. To blame other losts on O'Donnel is stupid as hell.

Posted by: Matt X at November 05, 2010 01:43 PM (kcNAu)

337 Why not just go ahead and blame her for the Holocaust? I mean, that would be just as stupid as blaming her for seats the Establishment Republicans are attempting to keep out of the hands of conservatives in order to hold on to power. For Fuck's sake, Ace, I don't like the fact that she's whining about losing, but she IS right. The RINOs in power did not approve of her, just as they don't approve of Miller or Angle, and they did all they could to help defeat all three of them (see "Republicans for Reid" for example).

Oh...and all this is why I am not a Republican, and probably never will be again. The RINOs refused to close ranks (Elmers is being hung out to dry even now), and I will never vote for another "Moderate" Republican again. Ever.

Posted by: g at November 05, 2010 01:43 PM (2I0rN)

338
btw, Ace, you have as much basis for claiming O'Donnell lost us CO WA as I do saying Mike Castle would switch parties after he was sworn in.

We can all pull things out of our asses.

Posted by: Soothsayer at November 05, 2010 01:43 PM (uFokq)

339 According to ODonnell, the beltway political
class joined forces with the Delaware GOP to silence the voice of the
people.

Yes. The GOP cost a GOP candidate to lose by 17 points because, um, they didn't want another Senate pickup.


Posted by: Good Lt. at November 05, 2010 01:44 PM (jH17H)

340 BREAKING: PELOSI TO RUN FOR MINORITY LEADER.
Good. Now lets see how she likes being teated like George W. was.

Posted by: Mallamutt at November 05, 2010 01:44 PM (OWjjx)

341 For those having trouble bridging the social con vs. the fiscal con - how bout we side step it and agree on the 'constitutional con' platform. If we were all serious about THAT, the social and fiscal take care of themselves. It will limit spending by definition, and return social issues to the states - in theory making every conservative happy, and giving every conservative a choice. Is this not something we can universally come together on? Can we not back ANY originalist constitution supporting conservative, and should we not say hell no to any other kind?

Posted by: Abiss at November 05, 2010 01:44 PM (1ilyW)

342 Wow, y'all are starting to sound like Barry now. The voters are so darn stupid that we need to scream at them until they vote for any excrement sandwich we put forward. And that O'Donnell, she is so stupid, and yet so powerful, that she lost not just one but 3 elections. Good luck with that message. It worked so well for the GOP in 2006 and 2008.

Posted by: BlackRedneck at November 05, 2010 01:44 PM (Mh30H)

343 In before the Hot Air Palinbot retards show up...
...damn. Too late.

Posted by: Hollowpoint at November 05, 2010 01:44 PM (plsiE)

344 Related.

Posted by: cthulhu at November 05, 2010 01:44 PM (/0IOT)

345
Liberals never change. Enjoy fucking the chicken, fuzzy.

Posted by: Dang Straights at November 05, 2010 01:44 PM (fx8sm)

346 Bejeezers,all thisself flagellation and finger pointing is getting tedious, I'm taking my toys and going back to the Sarah hot w/guns thread. I refuse to beat myself up because Isupporteda losing canfidate, hey... I sent money to Miller as well. Oh well thats politics.
Build a million bridges, they'll never callyou a bridge builder. Suck one dick and your a cocksucker. Thats life. Get a Helmet.

Posted by: dananjcon at November 05, 2010 01:45 PM (pr+up)

347 PELOSI TO RUN FOR MINORITY LEADER.

Which minority?

Wiccans?

Posted by: CoolCzech at November 05, 2010 01:45 PM (tJjm/)

348

You
can keep threatening to go third party. And it may work, for awhile.
But eventually, someone will get tired of it and call your bluff. Then
what are you going to do?


Posted by: Mallamutt at November 05, 2010 01:41 PM (OWjjx)
The third party for either side is a dream. The way our election works makes getting co-opted into a major party a requirement. The Republicans were never a third party, they developed after the death of the Whigs as a national party.

Posted by: Oldcat at November 05, 2010 01:45 PM (z1N6a)

349 I keep wondering this: There are a lot of people who keep sounding the alarm bells of how we're "going to lose our country in 2 years" if the dems keep up what they're doing.

Yet, they support a candidate that will ensure that a dem gets elected. If the country is rapidly approaching the shitter like people like Mark Levin say, then you would think capturing the Senate would be a good thing, even if it means having a squish in a blue state.

I fail to see how we can save the country before it fails any day now, while simultaneously teaching the "GOP establishment" a lesson by allowing a dem to when a seat.

Seriously, which is it?

Posted by: taylork at November 05, 2010 01:45 PM (0Hn5w)

350 Posted by: Gekkobear at November 05, 2010 01:41 PM (7TZuc)

Seriously, read my post above. DE is its own world: Huge Demo registration advantage but a willingness to elect and re-elect RINOs. No conservative Republicans get elected there--period

The choice IN DELAWARE is not liberal vs conservative. It's RINO or Marxist. In the other states, that's another story.

Seriously..........

Posted by: SantaRosaStan at November 05, 2010 01:45 PM (UqKQV)

351 Posted by: Jeff B. at November 05, 2010 01:19 PM (NjYDy)

Jeff B., like it or not, it's the truth. (You, too, Ace). Conservatives are tired of holding our nose and voting for RINOs- especially for President. We did that (or stayed home) with McCain. My parents did that ('cause I wasn't 18 at the time) for Dole. We're tired of it. We're done.

The point isn't that we're "threatening" to go third party- it's that we're no longer willing to subjugate our principles just because the most liberal states in America say we have to (since, in effect, that's how the Presidential Primary system works). We are BEGGING the Establishment to move to the Right. Give us good candidates who are actually Conservative. Don't ask us to support a squish or an out-right Liberal just because they can "win."

I remember Reagan, some (again, too young to remember too much- or Carter at all). And I remember George HW Bush pretty well. I certainly remember the Clinton / Dole race (and, yes, a lot of that loss was due to Perot- but not all of it). I remember that George W Bush only barely beat Gore (he was fairly squishy (remember that, in 2000?)) and only beat Kerry because a) Kerry was a lousy candidate and b) Americans are disinclined to change national leadership in a time of war.

We didn't want McCain. We didn't really want Romney (though he would have been better than McCain IMO). We had a dearth of good candidates in '08, so we held our nose for McCain. I don't see that happening again with the Socialist In Chief in office.

Posted by: Preznit Barkolounger at November 05, 2010 01:25 PM (n98P0)


I was mostly being slightly hyperbolic regarding how bad her campaign was run.

O/T: You know, Dr. Doofenshmirtz, I really think you ought to end every post with something about an -inator, or "curse you, Perry the Platypus." Just sayin'.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) at November 05, 2010 01:45 PM (8y9MW)

352 "You won't see this Ace mother fucker or his parrot DrewM actually make a
logical defense for voting for Castle. To blame other losts on
O'Donnel is stupid as hell."

Damn fucking straight.

Posted by: g at November 05, 2010 01:45 PM (2I0rN)

353 The Delaware GOP primary voters took a look at Castle

The Delaware GOP primary voters took a look at O'Donnell

O'Donnell won.

I support the GOP primary winner. Mike Castle didn't.

2012 will be the Ruling Class vs. Country Class on steroids.

Posted by: mrp at November 05, 2010 01:45 PM (HjPtV)

354 Biden's Delaware
A modern day Tabitha
Destroys G.O.P.



wrong thread?

Posted by: Lincolntf at November 05, 2010 01:45 PM (V/C0X)

355 There's nothing wrong with nominating the occasional fool for office, mistakes happen. Embracing and promoting them? That's where the unforgivable mistake was. Posted by: DrewM. at November 05, 2010 01:23 PM (HicGG)
The lack of self awareness in that comment is staggering, even for the author, the guy who got suckered into blogging for Arlen Specter Jr.

Posted by: Louis Tully at November 05, 2010 01:46 PM (K/USr)

356 I lost my job because of O'Donnell.

Posted by: Speaker Pelousy at November 05, 2010 01:46 PM (gbCNS)

357 What sucks is that it's a
legitimate argument and one that won't be resolved until every last
Commie fuck in this country is dead or in exile.
In other words, it ain't going away.

Posted by: ErikW at November 05, 2010 01:40 PM (pfVEX)

I'm seriously at a loss for words for these two posts. And anyone that knows me, knows how rare that is. We win a massive massive conservative wave across this country, and the celebration here seems to turn into shitting on the commenters here about a flakey candidate? Is the blog really trying to alienate a sizeable chunk of the Morons/Moronettes? That's what the outcome is going to be if this COD nonsense keeps up.

Posted by: Unclefacts, Summoner of Meteors, Pudding Dipper Extraodinaire at November 05, 2010 01:46 PM (eCAn3)

358 BREAKING: PELOSI TO RUN FOR MINORITY LEADER.
Good. Now lets see how she likes being teated like George W. was.

Posted by: Mallamutt at November 05, 2010 01:44 PM (OWjjx)

Ack. I figured it was a given but even so, this just gives her a platform to be even more shrill than she was before.

Posted by: ErikW at November 05, 2010 01:46 PM (pfVEX)

359 Ace, I think, to really get your point across, you need to say "I knew...." or "I told you so..." more.

That'll help.

Posted by: Tami at November 05, 2010 01:46 PM (VuLos)

360 COD is the reason we lost one hundred seats in teh SENATE!!!

Posted by: ace at November 05, 2010 01:47 PM (ENRGu)

361 I sure hope the establishment picks a better candidate next time. Then we won't have to do this again.

Let's look at it pragmatically.
Tea Party is a bunch of disorganized grassrooters. Candidates originating from this source have a much higher than normal chance of being toxic.

The Tea Party's strength, credibility, and relevance come from the fact that they are disorganized grassrooters.They do not have nor will they reasonably have the capability to "vet" candidates.

Should the GOP elect to run candidates not minimally suitable to the conservative agenda, not challenging them would be toxic to any sort of philosophical unity within the caucus, and detrimental to reversing the damage done by progressivism. The best we can hope for is what the GOP has delivered for 20 years, a slower march to Socialism. Not a march to freedom.

I was so torn during the primary. But now that it is over the correct answer is clear to me between Castle and O'Donnell. And Castle was not it.

So I ask you how many Dede's and Mike's do we have to go through before the establishment gets the message? The tea party is not an establishment tool to drum up support for the same buddy buddy pols. The tea party does not exist to meet establishment expectations, the establishment needs to meet tea party expectations, or, alternatively face schisms, occasional poor candidates, and some lost elections as a result.

Let me put this more plainly. This whole post smacks of the establishment trying to bring a section of its base in line. That is not how it F*ing works! The establishment DOES NOT bring the base in line. The base brings the establishment in line. And the sooner the establishment accepts that, the sooner we will have good candidates, the sooner we will have unity, the sooner we will all be happy.

Alternatively the establishment can elect to keep resisting. And the schisms will continue. Because the Tea Party is not giving. I can't speak for all in the Tea Party movement, I don't think anyone can, but I would rather have this whole thing go down now if it must, if we can't fix it, rather than limp along with the same socialist lite pols who doom us to the same fate as electing Obama, just that it happens later.

I've resolved, I will do what I can to see that this hundred year crisis is ended in my lifetime, I do not want to see responsibility for fixing it passed to the next generation as my great-grandparents did to me.


Every time I post something like this. Some idiot comes up with. "If you demand 100% pure, you will be a perpetual minority" Which is true but a false choice. I, at least am not demanding 100% pure. But I do look at where a candidate stands on the BIG issues, and if it is the wrong way. F* em.
Things like
Amnesty/Open Borders.
Cap And Trade.
Government Takeover of Healthcare.

If you are for any of those you are for major Socialist agenda items. Therefore I cannot support you for a national office.

I can see from the attitude that "It's the Tea Party's fault" that we will be doing this again, and having this discussion again. Until the GOP accepts the Tea Party faction is part of their base, and fields candidates that satisfy our expectations, and takes responsibility for when they fail to do so, instead of being elitist and blaming voters for being ignorant....like...Obama, then we are doomed to do this over and over and over......

Posted by: MikeTheMoose at November 05, 2010 01:47 PM (0q2P7)

362 Heh, Olbermann just got suspended form MSNBC

Posted by: booger at November 05, 2010 01:47 PM (awinc)

363 I didn't know that Delaware neighbored Washington State. Silly me.
Castle was just Jim Jefford II. If the RNC can't find real electable conservatives, whose fault is that... COD's?
2012 will be Armageddon for the Senate Dims. There was no fucking way that the Senate would have gone Red this cycle..
These were the same arguments that they used against Palin in 2008.
Same fucking ones...

Posted by: TexasJew at November 05, 2010 01:48 PM (hgrfT)

364 Re: 344......Dammit, 330 got to it while I was fiddling with the link.

Posted by: cthulhu at November 05, 2010 01:48 PM (/0IOT)

365 I agree with you totally, Ace.

Posted by: Jeremy at November 05, 2010 01:48 PM (IF0c5)

366 it's really castles fault for being a poor sport and not throwing his support behind her......remind you of someone? murkowski maybe? someone like christ?

Posted by: phoenixgirl at November 05, 2010 01:48 PM (Cm66w)

367 She turned me into a NEWT!!!

Posted by: ace at November 05, 2010 01:48 PM (ENRGu)

368 344Related.Posted by: cthulhu at November 05, 2010 01:44 PM (/0IOT) If a third party starts, imo, it will be started to supplant the Repub establishment, but one will cause the other to cease to exist. And that could very well happen, again imo, due to the way some of the most senior corruptocrat repubs acted in the buildup to this election.

Posted by: Hussein the Plumber at November 05, 2010 01:48 PM (r1h5M)

369 oh goody, hollowpoint's here! now you and Jeff B can screw and give each other reach arounds! joy joy!

Posted by: Vergeltung at November 05, 2010 01:48 PM (jttPx)

370 OK, you know what? I don't even know why I bothered.

With posting, or voting, or talking to people.

You idiots just want to tear each other up? Fine. I'll start looking for places to decamp to when we lose what we just gained in two years and the O-tards manage final victory all because you fools want to fight each other with barbarians at the gates!

I wash my hands of this. All of you. RINOs, puritsts, the lot of 'em.

May God have mercy on us all.

Posted by: DarkLordOfTheIntarWebs at November 05, 2010 01:49 PM (GBXon)

371 13times - any links to that story, goggle fails

Posted by: Jean at November 05, 2010 01:49 PM (judfL)

372 . I'm not her biggest fan for president but if she gets the nomination we have got to support her.
No. We don't.
I'd rather see Barky Redux with a Republican House and Senate than to replace him with yet another naif.
Palin has reached her zenith, and you will see her continue to hurt herself and the Republican Party if she sets her sights on the White House.
She is more polarizing than the Race-Baiter in Chief.
She can't win the votes we need to win. She is not Presidential material. She proves this time and time again.

Posted by: garrett at November 05, 2010 01:49 PM (LrfiV)

373 She's borderline retarded and ethically challenged to boot. ( Nevermind
the fact she's a creationist and anti-abortion in a blue
liberal-socially state.)

Really Ace? You sound like fucking Kos man, get a fucking grip already. Did we or did we not just have a great Tuesday? I look at the results and see some amazing things. You see the results and wonder why COD fucked up Delaware. Jesus.

And as I said before, you'll pull the lever for Palin if she's the candidate. The alternative is much worse. Obama with no election in front of him and a pen full of ink. Yeah, you're going third party.

Posted by: mastour at November 05, 2010 01:49 PM (fIg94)

374 367 ace


oh GOd tell me you won't run for president//////

Posted by: phoenixgirl at November 05, 2010 01:49 PM (Cm66w)

375
what's this about Olbermann?

Posted by: Soothsayer at November 05, 2010 01:50 PM (uFokq)

376 it doesn't matter how you serve it, the RINO hunters aren't about to swallow any crow over COD. it's practically a badge of honor to have gone all-in on the woman, especially for the talk radio set.hannity and levin, in particular, are still prancing about in tricorners and tootling their fifes over dear christine. where their fifes now rest is a matter best left to speculation...

Posted by: purple frown at November 05, 2010 01:50 PM (JcvuW)

377 Heh, Olbermann just got suspended form MSNBC
Link and thread please anything but this!

Posted by: Mallamutt at November 05, 2010 01:50 PM (OWjjx)

378 PELOSI TO RUN FOR MINORITY LEADER.

Good. I can see about 5 dems switching parties if she gets leader.

Posted by: Guy Fawkes at November 05, 2010 01:50 PM (JcRgg)

379 oops, linky

Posted by: booger at November 05, 2010 01:50 PM (awinc)

380 One of the supposed saving graces of O'Donnell was that she took all the fire from the media so that other people could win...?

Really? She was such an awesome candidate that her claim to conservative canonization is running around in the open and taking all the bullets?

I just love this explaination, since it implies that 1) All the other candidates were as terrible as her, so they needed her for cover and 2) It only seems to come up after a crushing loss, like it was the game plan all along for her to be the target dummy. And you wonder why the 'establishment' didn't send her more money and support?

Posted by: El Kabong at November 05, 2010 01:50 PM (8vVKQ)

381 The Boehner, Bachmann, and Hensarling thing is going to get ugly, too. Oy.

Posted by: Miss'80sBaby at November 05, 2010 01:51 PM (Yq+qN)

382 It's all a KONSPIRACY!!!
The Democrat VP campaigned against a Republican candidate! That's unprecedented!
Why didn't they pump $10 million into my campaign??? If they had, I might've lost by only 10 points! My rent isn't going to pay itself, cheapskates.

Posted by: Christine O'Donnell, cloned from Alvin Greene's DNA at November 05, 2010 01:51 PM (plsiE)

383 Sarah Palin = African Grey
COD = Quaker Parakeet

Posted by: garrett at November 05, 2010 01:51 PM (LrfiV)

384 190K ballots appear in Fresno and Kern counties.
podcast here:
johnbatchelorshow.com
November 3, 2010: Hour 1

Posted by: 13times at November 05, 2010 01:51 PM (h6XiD)

385 I've avoided posting in these COD train-wreck posts, mainly because if you add them all up, there's probably 8,000 comments. But I'm not seeingthe "COD cost us seats" meme, and i'm wondering why I'm only seeing that here. As far as I kow, nobody else is making that assertion. I can tell you that COD did NOT almost cost Toomey the seat. People here ignore Delaware unless it;s time to save on sales tax when buying a big-ticket item, or slightly cheaper smokes. You know why Sestak lost? He had virtually NO ground game in Philly. Yeah, Sestak won the city by 300,000 votes, but Obama won it by 500,000. He didn't grease the right palms and so there wasn't the enthusiasm to GOTV thathe needed to win the city, and thus the state.I've seen twice as much coverage on COD on this site than I ever did in any Philly paper or newscast.
Look, I agree that O'Donnell was a disaster. For Delaware. I can't believe that some voter in Nevada, CA, or WA was thinking about her when they cast their ballot, especially when the GOP did so well in the East.

And for the record, yeah, go away Christine. And Ace, I'd rather see 50 more posts about smelly West Virginians than one more COD post.
Thank you.

Posted by: Luca Brasi at November 05, 2010 01:51 PM (YmPwQ)

386 I say split the national debt up per capita between the states and let each state become its own nation.

Posted by: Monkeytoe at November 05, 2010 01:51 PM (sOx93)

387 The intended consequence of this narrative is for all us righties to stay on the reservation and take our marching orders from the Roves and Castles out there. People who want to maintain the behemoth government on the backs of the people, but want to be the ones running the show.
^This.
The goal is to put conservatives back in their place before 2012 rolls around. Can't have them thinking that they run this party since they might get the idea thatone of our officially approved "electable" presidential candidates is unsuitable.

Posted by: Ghost of Lee Atwater at November 05, 2010 01:51 PM (JxMoP)

388 O'Donnell is acting just like Castle did when he refused to endorse her.

I think the Tea Party movement is the best thing to come along in American politics in ages, but they've got to get better at filtering who they pick to get behind or they're going to do almost as much damage as good in the long run. None of those great ideas will ever get implemented if you can't pick a candidate who can win a damn general election, and yes, that changes from state to state and district to district.

Posted by: davidingeorgia at November 05, 2010 01:51 PM (hFVHo)

389 Not only did she not destroy the GOP, she appears to have provided the state GOP with the ammunition to return to business as usual. In a way, this will be good, in that we can do away with the apparantly useless late primary and simply use the convention top down pick.

Posted by: Blue Hen at November 05, 2010 01:52 PM (R2fpr)

390 I was told over and over during the primary that it "isn't about O'Donnell." In the end, you see, it very much was.

Posted by: SarahW at November 05, 2010 01:26 PM

Well, put things in perspective for the O'Donnell supporters post-Primary. Imagine if Mike Castle had won and the minute that the election results were known, Sarah Palin went on Fox News Channel and ripped into Mike Castle. Think the Castle-supporters would take that kindly and not fiercely circle the wagons around DIABLO Mike Castle? In addition to calling Sarah Palin every name in the book for not being a team-player for the GOP and causing divisiveness, etc?

Had the GOP establishment not went all-in with attacking Christine O'Donnell from the moment she won the Primary, there may not have been such fierce support of O'Donnell, other than the usual support a Primary winner receives.

This was less about O'Donnell than about the conservative base having had enough of the GOP establishment . This was never about O'Donnell so much as her campaign was a symbol of the conservative base's anger at the continued crap coming from the GOP establishment.

Posted by: Clyde Shelton at November 05, 2010 01:52 PM (NITzp)

391 I can't lose Pelosi AND Olbermann in one week!

DAMN YOU, CHRISTINE O'DONNELL!

Posted by: nickless at November 05, 2010 01:52 PM (MMC8r)

392 336 You won't see this Ace mother fucker or his parrot DrewM actually make a logical defense for voting for Castle. To blame other losts on O'Donnel is stupid as hell.
Posted by: Matt X at November 05, 2010 01:43 PM (kcNAu)
Except they did. It just would require logic to actually realize that. And logic is something an idiot like you doesn't have at all.

Posted by: buzzion at November 05, 2010 01:52 PM (oVQFe)

393 OT, but we need a thread and a flaming skull. Queef's been indefinitely suspended without pay.

Posted by: HeatherRadish loves Wisconsin at November 05, 2010 01:52 PM (Vz9lf)

394 O/T: Right now, what is important isn't the election. link to video of Bill Fleckenstein with betty liu on opening bell.

Posted by: curious at November 05, 2010 01:52 PM (p302b)

395 I'd rather see Barky Redux with a Republican House and Senate than to replace him with yet another naif.
Garrett - does that mean you would rather have another term of obama than Palin in office?

Posted by: Roadking at November 05, 2010 01:52 PM (It/63)

396 you want a winner? here ya go!

Michael Steele , baby!





what?



Posted by: RNC at November 05, 2010 01:53 PM (Y8vi9)

397 48
I contributed to her and supported her but she just needs to go away now. She's an embarrassment.
____
Same.

Posted by: Tony at November 05, 2010 01:53 PM (12dr4)

398 Leave Christine alone!

Posted by: Randall Hoven at November 05, 2010 01:53 PM (NytZx)

399 330 I'd like Chairman Pete Sessions to explain why the NRCC won't help with/pay for a recount.

Posted by: Miss'80sBaby at November 05, 2010 01:53 PM (Yq+qN)

400 My interim solution is to hold your nose and vote for Castle. When the Repub Party gets its Shit together, states like DE can be contested with GOOD conservative candidates running GOOD campaings
That's the problem, a vote for Castle, means the GOP won't get it act together. The two can't be taken in isolation. It's SOP.

Posted by: Dr. Heinz Doofenshmirtz at November 05, 2010 01:54 PM (4JpPD)

401 376-They were/are right about one thing. A rino is gone and that in itself because of the advantage incumbents have, is a victory. What the hell difference is it anyway whether a dem or a rino is in the seat if the rino is going to vote with the dems on 'conservative' legislation?

Posted by: Hussein the Plumber at November 05, 2010 01:54 PM (r1h5M)

402 What were Castle's accomplishments prior to political office? He was a career politician. What was Obama's accomplishments? Joe Biden? Ted Kennedy? Robert Byrd? This Ace mofo couldn't get 5 votes in any state and he wants to lecture us about who is good enough to run as a Republican? Who made this mother fucker kingmaker?

Posted by: Matt X at November 05, 2010 01:54 PM (kcNAu)

403
Except they did. It just would require logic to
actually realize that. And logic is something an idiot like you doesn't
have at all.

Posted by: buzzion at November 05, 2010 01:52 PM (oVQFe)
Its not logical to blame Non Delawarians for not voting for Castle in either the primary or the general elections.

Posted by: Oldcat at November 05, 2010 01:54 PM (z1N6a)

404
And yet somehow, Mike Castle managed to lose to this person?

That's like Texas losing at home to Iowa State.

Posted by: I R A Darth Aggie at November 05, 2010 01:54 PM (1hM1d)

405 MSNBCers are the worstest people in the world!

Posted by: Queefums at November 05, 2010 01:54 PM (9hSKh)

406 The whole COD issue here has jumped the proverbial shark. I'm going back to lurking.

Posted by: mastour at November 05, 2010 01:55 PM (fIg94)

407 Posted by: MikeTheMoose at November 05, 2010 01:47 PM (0q2P7)

Spoken in a fine, fine way.

Posted by: Midwestern Nobody at November 05, 2010 01:55 PM (gbCNS)

408 Posted by: Unclefacts, Summoner of Meteors, Pudding Dipper Extraodinaire at November 05, 2010 01:46 PM (eCAn3)
As much as it annoys me, I think it's a healthy debate. Sweeping this under the rug won't make it go away.

Posted by: ErikW at November 05, 2010 01:55 PM (pfVEX)

409 It's an O'Donnell thread, where's Tattoo?

Posted by: Dr. Spank at November 05, 2010 01:55 PM (Y81Xa)

410 it's really castles fault for being a poor sport and not throwing his support behind her......remind you of someone? murkowski maybe? someone like christ?
This argument is nonsense at best. Primary opponent endorsements rarely have any impact.

First, they generally are not believable. Yes, I endorse the person that defeated me in the primary because I think they are the best person for the job which is why I was running against them. Yes, give it a moment for the logic to sink in.

Second, often we find that candidates can not transfer their voters to another candidate automatically. Think Florida. The theory was that if Meeks quit, Crist would get all of his voters. But, the reality was that Meeks supporters would not be inclinded to vote period thus Meeks was allowed to limp along because the Democrats wanted the Meeks voters to show up and vote in the governor race.

Third, each individual voter will make up their own mind. Castle could have endorsed COD all day, all night and the truth is that an undecided voter would have used that only as a mere factor, and not the deciding factor, in how to vote.

Endorsements are generally not considered that great any more. When was the last time you were influenced by a newspaper endorsement?

Posted by: Mallamutt at November 05, 2010 01:55 PM (OWjjx)

411 Heh, Olbermann just got suspended form MSNBC

This isn't about politcal donations, its about RATINGS.

Posted by: Guy Fawkes at November 05, 2010 01:56 PM (JcRgg)

412 I kept quiet on O'Donnell and pretended she could win (By the way, I was lying; I knew she couldn't...

Posted by: ace at November 05, 2010 01:27 PM

That may be true for you personally, but I know there was someone here at AoSHQ whose post-debate (O'Donnell vs Coons) post was all about focusing on O'Donnell's faults, instead of focusing on Coons' screw-ups and ignorance in the debate, as most other right-of-center blogs were choosing to do. So there was a deliberate decision made on this blog to focus on O'Donnell's faults, instead of on Coon's faults. That's not something a blog does if they are promoting to "be the wave".

Posted by: Clyde Shelton at November 05, 2010 01:56 PM (NITzp)

413 Thanks booger. Nice that something good could be got from this thread. Welcome to the headlines.

Posted by: krakatoa at November 05, 2010 01:56 PM (a0Jhx)

414 393 - Great catch - Heather.

Posted by: Hussein the Plumber at November 05, 2010 01:56 PM (r1h5M)

415
Oh, wait...Texas did lose to Iowa Fucking State at home.

Posted by: I R A Darth Aggie at November 05, 2010 01:56 PM (1hM1d)

416
Olbermann suspended from MSNBC

Posted by: IreneFingIrene at November 05, 2010 01:56 PM (JNqU9)

417
Tancredo/Dornan 2012

Posted by: Soothsayer at November 05, 2010 01:56 PM (uFokq)

418 It's an O'Donnell thread, where's Tattoo?
and Pam..and her BIG BOLD FONTS!

Posted by: Mallamutt at November 05, 2010 01:56 PM (OWjjx)

419 Look this is just a proxy fight. I think guys like Drew, Jeff, Ace, and Allah was more strongly identified with the moral or social conservatives than with economic conservatives. I've noticed on many occasions Ace and Allah have been very uncomfortable with those candidates who had a strong moral or religious appeal to them. It seems that they are ucomfortable with those who see the conservative movement as have a moral component as well as a logical, economic and political components.
O'Donnell as a candidate with avowed moral positions becomes a symbol for them to say "hey keep the bible thumpers out, they're weak, they cost us, etc."

I think it might be more constructive to understand why people view conservatism through a moral prism than to keep bashing COD.
I personally think ts a reaction to the liberal philosophy that everything is political.

Posted by: Iblis at November 05, 2010 01:56 PM (aJiOp)

420 Make it four... She probably cost Angle, who had done a good job making herself not seem crazy.

God.. someone needs to hit the gong and get crazy O'Donnell off the stage. And I agree with Ace; we should all demand a full accounting of her campaign funds so that the funds don't end up being used to pay for a new house or something. She has the history of doing that.

Posted by: Illinidiva at November 05, 2010 01:57 PM (4lxAy)

421 As much as it annoys me, I think it's a healthy debate. Sweeping this under the rug won't make it go away.

Posted by: ErikW at November 05, 2010 01:55 PM (pfVEX)

Having a debate is one thing, actively shitting on the Moron horde, another.

Posted by: Unclefacts, Summoner of Meteors, Pudding Dipper Extraodinaire at November 05, 2010 01:57 PM (eCAn3)

422 I'd still hit it.

Posted by: PR at November 05, 2010 01:57 PM (3WXlh)

423 Deadaware - Joe Biden - 1978-2008...speaks for itself

Posted by: Waldo in Hiding at November 05, 2010 01:57 PM (FIDMq)

424 O'Donnell was a flake and it's too bad we couldn't find a better conservative candidate in DE. She needs to go away now.

Castle was a useless gun-grabbing RINO and is no loss.

Sh*t happens.

Let's move on. We have more important things to do like hold Boehner et al.'s feet to the fire now, and keep our eye on '12.

Posted by: P.M. at November 05, 2010 01:57 PM (2AfKV)

425 388
O'Donnell is acting just like Castle did when he refused to endorse her.

I
think the Tea Party movement is the best thing to come along in
American politics in ages, but they've got to get better at filtering
who they pick to get behind or they're going to do almost as much damage
as good in the long run. None of those great ideas will ever get
implemented if you can't pick a candidate who can win a damn general
election, and yes, that changes from state to state and district to
district.


Posted by: davidingeorgia at November 05, 2010 01:51 PM (hFVHo)
Agreed. The Tea Party is limited tactical force in elections. Case in point: I work with two guys who are Tea Party Activists in a big way. Yesterday they were grumbling about Rove costing the Republicans the Senate.I said that we still did great because of all the State Houses we took::blank stare::Because of the Census::blank stare::Because of Congressional Redistricting?::blank stare::We get to eliminate Democrat safe havens?::light finally dawning::There is zero long term planning in the Tea Party. There never will be because it's not _really a political party_. And I like the whining about not getting enough money from Republican Operatives...how the hell do people think that the RNC and the other organs get the money?? Because of Republican Operatives.

Posted by: Quilly Mammoth at November 05, 2010 01:57 PM (p/o52)

426
Ace,
You Mother Fucker! You clearly said you were in Room 211. You owe me $3000.

Posted by: Nancy Pelosi at November 05, 2010 01:58 PM (LlX9m)

427 BOB DOLE !

Posted by: Bob Dole at November 05, 2010 01:58 PM (Y8vi9)

428 Ace: CO'D cost us 3 senate seats or something.

Posted by: Future Hot Air Headline at November 05, 2010 01:58 PM (JcRgg)

429 Posted by: garrett at November 05, 2010 01:49 PM (LrfiV)

I do think Palin really hurt herself endorsing O'Donnell. She should have steered clear of her.

I'm still waiting for Palin to give the major policy speeches and position papers. I'm getting tired of waiting. Going Rogue and Bristol's increasingly plump ass on Dancing with the Stars just don't cut it.

I'm hearing more and more about Rick Perry, Governor of Texas, as someone the Tea Party likes because of his positions, and the general public likes because of his competence. I hope he runs in 2012.

Posted by: CoolCzech at November 05, 2010 01:58 PM (tJjm/)

430 Ace and his buttkissers on here never made a conservative case for Castle. It was all based on demographics and delusion that Castle would not be a rubber stamp for Obama. He didn't want to discuss Castle's leftwing record on the issues. Any conservative that thinks he was the better choice is a fool. If his argument was both choices sucked, that would be one thing. But he thinks Castle was super awesome and it's become an ego thing for him. I'd like to know how Castle wins in DE without the conservative base....O'Donnel spanked him in the primary. It's not even believable that he could have beat Coons.

Posted by: Matt X at November 05, 2010 01:58 PM (kcNAu)

431 yeah, COD hurt us. She should have just lost in Delaware. But her loss isn't hers alone. When SNL goes after you, you are embarrassed and embarrassing. We only won 6 senate seats (right? they didn't take those back yet?) when we should have taken 11. Then again, this time Rassmussen polled GOP too high, so maybe we were deluded there.

I guess it comes down to better pre-campaign vetting. Or better post Alinsky personal attack, hitting back.

That's right. No more, "I'm like you, Delaware," shit. Just go out and say, Obama sucks, your senate candidate sucks and has Obama tattoed on his ass and his girlfriends trampstamp area, and Obama is going to cost you your job by letting gay illegal aliens take your job and marry your daughter in a gay wedding. Hit back, make fun, no apologies.

Posted by: joeindc44 at November 05, 2010 01:59 PM (QxSug)

432 Having a debate is one thing, actively shitting on the Moron horde, another.
Posted by: Unclefacts, Summoner of Meteors, Pudding Dipper Extraodinaire at November 05, 2010 01:57 PM (eCAn3)
Yeah, true dat. That's why I'm not participating.

Posted by: ErikW at November 05, 2010 01:59 PM (pfVEX)

433 @ 390
-- This was less about O'Donnell than about the conservative base having
had enough of the GOP establishment . This was never about O'Donnell so
much as her campaign was a symbol of the conservative base's anger at
the continued crap coming from the GOP establishment.

Down here in the hills and hollers of Kentucky -- you know, where we actually know how to get conservatives elected to office -- this phenomenon is colloquially referred to as "Histrionic Personality Disorder".

Posted by: Walt Gilbert at November 05, 2010 01:59 PM (PmZ9N)

434 ODonnell sucked, she needs to quietly go away. I wish the GOP establishment would have shut up too, she would have lost anyway but she wouldn't have a way to play this blame game shit. Fucking psycho.

Posted by: Ken Royall at November 05, 2010 01:59 PM (9zzk+)

435 This district in Maryland is the other half of the peninsula: " A Republican challenger ousted a first-term House Democrat from the Eastern Shore in a closely watched congressional race Tuesday," writes The Post's Ben Pershing and Joe Stephens. "In a rematch of their contest two years ago, state Sen. Andrew P. Harris (R) soundly beat Rep. Frank M. Kratovil Jr. (D) in the 1st Congressional District. The Democrat had defeated the Republican in 2008 by fewer than 3,000 votes, or less than 1 percentage point, after Harris ousted longtime Rep. Wayne T. Gilchrest in the Republican primary. Gilchrest, a self-described moderate, subsequently endorsed Kratovil in that election and again this year. Because the 2008 squeaker made Kratovil an obvious target, outside groups poured millions of dollars into the district this fall for television advertising. Kratovil, 42, a former local prosecutor, depicted himself as a Democrat unafraid to break ranks with his party in Washington. He supported President Obama's economic stimulus package but voted against his health-reform legislation." http://tinyurl.com/36l2vvn

Posted by: Jean at November 05, 2010 01:59 PM (HKVGZ)

436 AWWW crap it should've been A,A,D J Id'ed more with economic than soc-cons. Well I'm here. So I'm a moron. Where's my tranny ewok.

Posted by: Iblis at November 05, 2010 02:00 PM (aJiOp)

437 Endorsements are generally not considered that great any more. When was the last time you were influenced by a newspaper endorsement?
Posted by: Mallamutt
(with respect)
1.We've just been told that O'Donnell managed to have a supernaturally negative national effect.
2. We were told that Castle was the be all and end all here in Delaware, even after he botched the primary.
3. And now I'm supposed to believe that his influence is down to zero?
4. if that was true, why is he getting air time right now?
5. If that was true, why did Castle supporters I know decide to stay home or support Coons?

Posted by: Blue Hen at November 05, 2010 02:00 PM (R2fpr)

438 >>1, she wasn't bright (at all),

Not even worth dignifying with a response, really, but here goes. "Wasn't bright?" First: how in the hell do you know? (2) Compared to who? Need I remind you their previous Senator was Sheriff Joe Biden. (3) Being in the senate requires common sense, solid moral bearings, and knowledge of your state -- she seemed more than capable of that.


>>>2), she had no accomplishments whatsoever (and yes, people do want to know someone's actually done something to earn the right to be one of 100 in the Senate),

She was a social conservative movement activist. That's fine enough for me. I don't consider a talent for getting elected to stuff repeatedly an "accomplishment" which is all Coons or Castle had.

>>>>3, she had a series of bizarre statements from her past ("mice with fully functioning human brains"),

This is true. I'm not going to argue with it. This is what killed her in the end.

>>> 4, she couldn't articulate a conservative message in a way that sounded appealing or intelligent.

Not from what I saw. Her one real talent was as a communicator. She didn't intellectualize it but it was intellectually solid and she has a talent for connecting.


>>>>And 5 -- I want a strict accounting of how her campaign donations were spent. Know what I mean? I'd like to know if any money was squirreled away for "future campaigns."

Um, ok.

>>>>>Although, yeah, 6, her bright-red right positions of course were a drag in blue Delaware. I think a Joe Miller type or Sean Bielat would have had a chance to sell such a message even in blue state

I agree with this, and I also agree that a military veteran like Miller or Bielat would have been a better alternative to her or Castle. Unfortunately, none stepped up to run.

Posted by: Robert_Paulson at November 05, 2010 02:01 PM (KarsI)

439 All of O'Donnell's whining about "the establishment not supporting her" is pretty pathetic-
Frankly, the only real shot shereally hadat the seat isif Castle HAD come out and ran as an independent against her.

What was the old Motley Crue song?
"Girl, don't go away mad, Girl, just go away"

Posted by: Gerry Owen at November 05, 2010 02:01 PM (4ABat)

440 Aces made his case and I respected that. I read the press release. What she stated were the facts! The GOP seemed to sabotage her more than to help. People kept talking about CO dragging down PA. I heard Tammy Bruce mentioning that Sestak ran a powerful ad about Toomey 's support for free trade and his "strong" tie with China. That seemed to resonate with the working class in PA. That 's something important to look at as well for 2012! I agreed that CO should go away now. But the first thing after the election, Karl Rove attacked her again! Just ignored her now since she lost, right?

Posted by: LAI at November 05, 2010 02:01 PM (R4ub4)

441 I wish Ace would focus on doing something about New York, our candidates there sucked horribly.

Posted by: Dr. Spank at November 05, 2010 02:01 PM (Y81Xa)

442 How did we manage to win the other Senate seats with O'Donnel out there? Rubio nearly got 50% of the vote in a 3 man race. A Republican won Obama's old seat in Illinois.
This was a historic landslide election and you have losers on the internet trying to suggest that O'Donnel screwed things up.

Posted by: Matt X at November 05, 2010 02:01 PM (kcNAu)

443 A modest proposal....
Perhaps anybody who doesn't like the COD or the outcome from her candidacy should plan on moving to DE and making sure she or others like her don't wind up back on the ballot for the next go around.
Might make for a more productive outcome than crap-storming each other.
Seems like a great way to lose the losers if'n you know what I mean.

Posted by: Shwing N. Richard the T'rd at November 05, 2010 02:02 PM (77cMq)

444 Murcowski from Alaska got Christine to run in Delaware so that Joe Miller would lose and Ace would lose his mind.

Posted by: DougS at November 05, 2010 02:02 PM (CGjp2)

445 The choice IN DELAWARE is not liberal vs conservative. It's RINO or Marxist. In the other states, that's another story.Seriously..........

Posted by: SantaRosaStan at November 05, 2010 01:45 PM (UqKQV)

Castle wasn't a fucking RINO. ACU rating under several Democrats, lowest ACU rating for any Republcians in Congress for several of the past 5 years. He's a liberal Democrat. But he has that magic (R) so who cares if he's actually a liberal, right?

Now maybe your position is that ONLY a liberal democrat can win in DE, but why the hell do we need to give him the Republican label and then have to explain his shit for every liberal big government huge spending, tax everyone, hate the rich, regulate business proposal he's behind?

What exactly do we win there?

Seriously, read my post above. I'm not demanding total conservative purity here; but you're saying being considerably more liberal than a coin-toss on every issue is too much to ask for? What good does it do to run a candidate who will spend most of his time and effort attacking you and everything you stand for?

Posted by: Gekkobear at November 05, 2010 02:02 PM (7TZuc)

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Someone once said on a blog (I have little hope of tracking
down the original comment) that a huge part of the fault in the Delaware situation is
the failure of the GOPs establishment to recognize that the republicans wanted
a more conservative nominee than Castle and to find a better alternative than
ODonnell. And lets remember that many
of ODonnells problems had nothing to do with her political beliefs, and had
everything to do with her personal shortcomings. The fact is years ago ODonnell decided she
wanted to be a celebrity conservative. So
she went on MTV and on Bill Maher, and behaved in ways that drew attention to
herself. And a lot of what she did came
back to bite her in the hindquarters. Not
to mention her resume problems, consisting of 1) not very much political or
practical experience, and 2) she lied at least once (that we know of) about her
resume. Eventually her reputation for
flakiness got so bad that when she correctly stated something about the
constitution, half the world laughed at her before the truth got its boots on. But even then Coons had to promise to extend
the Bush tax cuts and Gawker felt the need to make the most disgusting attack
on a political candidate I have ever seen.
Imagine, then instead that the GOP establishment picked a conservative
as likeable and serious as, say, Marc, to run in Deleware? I think it is fair to say that a Marco Rubio
would have been every bit as competitive as Castle would have beenmaybe more, because
excited donors would be willing to give more to a true conservative. But on the other hand, while the GOP establishment made a
mistake in failing to find a polished conservative, the fact is that on
election day the base picked the worse candidate.



The answer is that both sides have to work together if we
are going to take back the Senate and the Presidency in 2012. The establishment has to be more open to the
input of the Tea Party. They cannot get
their energy without taking their guidance.
But at the same time, the Tea Party needs to be more realistic on the
concept of electability and choose less flawed candidates. Still all around I would give the Tea Party
an A- for its conduct in the election and the republican establishment a C+, largely
for not screwing it up too much.



At least that is what I think. Reasonable people can disagree, and surely
will.




Posted by: LAI at November 05, 2010 02:03 PM (R4ub4)

447 I kept quiet on O'Donnell and pretended she could win (By the way, I was lying; I knew she couldn't. She's borderline retarded and ethically challenged to boot. Nevermind the fact she's a creationist and anti-abortion in a blue liberal-socially state.)

By the way: we knew you were lying. You kind of suck at it; next time you might want to control your urge to repost all the dem talking points if you're trying to convince people you support the rep candidate.

Posted by: Kerry's iPhone at November 05, 2010 02:03 PM (+secL)

448 This argument is nonsense at best. Primary opponent endorsements rarely have any impact.

But the opposite -- the primary loser stomping their feet, and crying that it was unfair, and flirting with the other party -- is, shall say? unseemly. And potentially harmful?

I'm left wondering how people would have felt if Romney or Huckabee threw a similar tantrum after McCain won the nomination?

Posted by: I R A Darth Aggie at November 05, 2010 02:03 PM (1hM1d)

449 I
think the Tea Party movement is the best thing to come along in
American politics in ages, but they've got to get better at filtering
who they pick to get behind or they're going to do almost as much damage
as good in the long run. None of those great ideas will ever get
implemented if you can't pick a candidate who can win a damn general
election, and yes, that changes from state to state and district to
district.

Posted by: davidingeorgia at November 05, 2010 01:51 PM (hFVHo)

The Tea Party did what the Purgers and Ace talk about. They formed an independent movement and started pushing their own candidates, regardless of the wishes of the establishment. It was smarter than the full third party because if they won the nomination, they theoretically could gain the backing of the major party.


Posted by: Oldcat at November 05, 2010 02:04 PM (z1N6a)

450 The "Vengeance" scrawled across the banner sure is taking on a different meaning in these parts lately...

Posted by: Cuffy Meigs at November 05, 2010 02:04 PM (k5CvA)

451 If they hadn't gone after Miller with a medical implement, or scrutinize Buck with a microscope, then I'd agree with you. there was that stunt against Paul that failed,

Posted by: justin cord at November 05, 2010 02:04 PM (O20xS)

452 Its not logical to blame Non Delawarians for not voting for Castle in either the primary or the general elections.
Yet she won the primary for one reason: outside influence from "Non Delawarians".
Before the Tea Party Express and Palin jumped in head first without testing the waters (i.e. vetting the unelectable fraud that is O'Donnell), Castle was polling 60% in the primary race.Then comes Palin and the TPE with very high profile state and nationalsupport along with bundles of cash from out of state, suddenly she pulls ahead.
That was not a coincidence.

Posted by: Hollowpoint at November 05, 2010 02:04 PM (plsiE)

453 >>>Ace and his buttkissers on here never made a conservative case for Castle. It was all based on demographics and delusion that Castle would not be a rubber stamp for Obama. He didn't want to discuss Castle's leftwing record on the issues. Any conservative that thinks he was the better choice is a fool. If his argument was both choices sucked, that would be one thing. But he thinks Castle was super awesome and it's become an ego thing for him.

It's become an ego thing for ME? When I have this MCPO jackass claiming *I* caused O'Donnell her 17 point loss?

I never said Castle was awesome. I said he was preferable to Coons, and that the actual choice was Castle or Coons.

You didn't listen; you voted for Coons. That's your right. I'm not a RINO for appreciating the situation we were in and understanding that an O'Donnell primary victory equals a Coons general election victory.

You guys talk "principles," but your "principles" elected the bearded marxist.

Perhaps you should mix in some actual analysis, realistic prognostication, and strategy in with your principles unless you want to keep electing liberal Democrats.

Posted by: ace at November 05, 2010 02:04 PM (nj1bB)

454 Castle doesn't endorse O'Donnell.
The RNC and RNSC failed to support ground efforts for Buck, Rossi, and Angle (but did help Charlie Crist before he bailed and Fiorina).
The RCCC is not helping Elmers in her recount with Etheridge in NC.
The RNSC is not helping Miller as of yesterday in AK.
But O'Donnell is a WITCH!!! ALL OUR PROBLEMSARE DUE TO THAT WITCH!!
You are a bunch of morons, or Rove's butt boys.

Posted by: Scoob at November 05, 2010 02:04 PM (T7+JL)

455 For NY, we didn't ask for DeMint. Giulianni shoud suffice!

Posted by: LAI at November 05, 2010 02:04 PM (R4ub4)

456 O/T: You know, Dr. Doofenshmirtz, I really think you ought to end every post with something about an -inator, or "curse you, Perry the Platypus." Just sayin'.
Behold! The O'Donnell-limitator. It will eliminate the effect of O'Donnell's campaign on other campaigns.
What? The election is already over?
Curse you! Perry the Platypus.

Posted by: Dr. Heinz Doofenshmirtz at November 05, 2010 02:04 PM (4JpPD)

457 442
I wish Ace would focus on doing something about New York, our candidates there sucked horribly.


Posted by: Dr. Spank at November 05, 2010 02:01 PM (Y81Xa)

Gonna have to disagree with you there bro, Anne Marie Buerkel was a damned fine candidate, and is soon going to be a seriously conservative voice in the House from upstate NY. Which candidate(s) where you talking about?

Posted by: Unclefacts, Summoner of Meteors, Pudding Dipper Extraodinaire at November 05, 2010 02:05 PM (eCAn3)

458 Is it not a true statement that O'Donnel would have done better if Karl Rove and other conservative "let's vote for Castle because of demographics,who cares if he's a rubberstamp for Obama" had not attacked her when she won? It's hard to win a general election when your own side is sneering at you, adn this website was horrible in that regard. I think it's absurd to call it "whining" for her to point out the obvious...there were a lot of sore losers on our side (or so they say) when she won the primary.

Posted by: Matt X at November 05, 2010 02:05 PM (kcNAu)

459 My next project is the O'Donnell-shut-up-inator.

Posted by: Dr. Heinz Doofenshmirtz at November 05, 2010 02:05 PM (4JpPD)

460 Deadaware - Joe Biden - 1978-2008...speaks for itself
Posted by: Waldo in Hiding

Actually, that waste of space went to the US Senate in 1972 election. There are idiots here who have voted for him eight times. (he ran for both Senate and VP in 2008, so some super idiots voted for him twice simultaneously)

Posted by: Blue Hen at November 05, 2010 02:05 PM (R2fpr)

461 I kept quiet on O'Donnell and pretended she could
win (By the way, I was lying; I knew she couldn't. She's borderline
retarded and ethically challenged to boot. Nevermind the fact she's a
creationist and anti-abortion in a blue liberal-socially state.) <


By the way: we knew you were lying. You kind of suck at it; next time
you might want to control your urge to repost all the dem talking points
if you're trying to convince people you support the rep candidate.

Posted by: Kerry's iPhone at November 05, 2010 02:03 PM (+secL)
Which is fine. I only wish you had continued in that policy. I don't care a fig about COD or frankly any single race. Its the bigger picture that counts.

Posted by: Oldcat at November 05, 2010 02:05 PM (z1N6a)

462 You
can keep threatening to go third party. And it may work, for awhile.
But eventually, someone will get tired of it and call your bluff. Then
what are you going to do?


Posted by: Mallamutt at November 05, 2010 01:41 PM (OWjjx)

Umm, stay home? If the Republicans who voted for Bennet had done that Buck would be a Senator elect right now.
See this is the problem with the "Thinking like a RINO" is a good thing meme.RINOS don't just not support. They actually vote FOR the Dem when they are pissed off and when the RINO does win what does he do? Vote with the Dems not surprisingly. Thinking like that is no way to build a majority, that's how you build a permanent minority. Ask the people in the Deep Blue states.
Sorry but if the there is something wrong with the people in the party saying that if you spend your career in the House back stabbing us 50% of the time we aren't going to promote you to the House of Lords then there is little point in being in that party. Sooner or later you have to pull the handle and flush.



Posted by: Rocks at November 05, 2010 02:06 PM (Q1lie)

463 Garrett - does that mean you would rather have another term of obama than Palin in run for office?
With our chances at taking over the majority in the Senate in 2012, yes.
I'd rather Barky be 'nutted' (to quote Jessie)by both Chambers for 4 years than see Sarah destroy our chances at ending the Progressive Movement.
If she is on the ballot, the Senate sweep will be much tougher to achieve. The Progressives will rally their base and the resulting turnout will drown our chances.
I wouldn't vote Third party, myself...but many on our side would. We'd also lose all chance at swinging any independent votes to our side.

Posted by: garrett at November 05, 2010 02:06 PM (LrfiV)

464
Is it not a true statement that O'Donnel would have done better if Karl
Rove and other conservative "let's vote for Castle because of
demographics,who cares if he's a rubberstamp for Obama" had not
attacked her when she won? It's hard to win a general election when
your own side is sneering at you, adn this website was horrible in that
regard. I think it's absurd to call it "whining" for her to point out
the obvious...there were a lot of sore losers on our side (or so they
say) when she won the primary.

Posted by: Matt X at November 05, 2010 02:05 PM (kcNAu)
Possibly not. But the fact that it may not have been effective in demolishing her does not make it any better manners to make the attempt.

Posted by: Oldcat at November 05, 2010 02:07 PM (z1N6a)

465 Again,
Ace ignores the fact that Castle was no different from Coons. He has a fucking record, look at it. What is so hard about this, guy?

Posted by: Matt X at November 05, 2010 02:07 PM (kcNAu)

466 I guess the dickheads at Comcast suddenly woke up to the fact that most of their shares are owned by pissed-offRepublicans.

Posted by: TexasJew at November 05, 2010 02:07 PM (hgrfT)

467 This again? Don't mind me I'm on my way to the next thread!

Posted by: Alex #11 at November 05, 2010 02:07 PM (G3NNO)

468 I wash my hands of this. All of you. RINOs, puritsts, the lot of 'em.

May God have mercy on us all.


Posted by: DarkLordOfTheIntarWebs at November 05, 2010 01:49 PM (GBXon)I agreed with you , man. My point was that each state is unique, and DE is uniquely unique. In DELAWARE you hold your nose and accept Castle; in the other 49 ( or 56 ) it's a different world.The closest case study is Mass, with a similar huge advantage in Demo registration and a somewhat similar willingness to elected RINOs to statewide office--in both cases, to counteract Demo corruption, which reeksA GOOD candidate running a GOOD campaign--like Brown--can win. A dingbat like COD is hopeless.Why DE Republican primary voters chose COD over Castle is a good question--for which I don't have the answer



Posted by: SantaRosaStan at November 05, 2010 02:08 PM (UqKQV)

469 What's the deal with this obsessive stalking of O'Donnell you POS?

Posted by: Bender at November 05, 2010 02:08 PM (pLTLS)

470 >>>Fair Enough? Or does it not work that way...?

Um, no, it doesn't, given that no one in the world, not even the more deluded of her supporters, can possibly imagine she was a net-plus anywhere.

Posted by: ace at November 05, 2010 02:08 PM (nj1bB)

471 You need to replace the flaming skull with a flaming asshole.

Everything ODonnell said in that interview was the truth. She was on her own, no support.

And for some reason, you feel the need to pile on. Unfuckinbelievable.

Posted by: jwest at November 05, 2010 02:08 PM (vlXm5)

472 The "Vengeance" scrawled across the banner sure is taking on a different meaning in these parts lately...
Posted by: Cuffy Meigs at November 05, 2010 02:04 PM (k5CvA)
Perhaps "Nyah Nyah Nyah, I told you so!" would be more accurate, and more representative of their childish provokations of late.

Posted by: Windmill of Death at November 05, 2010 02:09 PM (VmtE9)

473 I said he was preferable to Coons, and that the actual choice was Castle or Coons.

That 's reasonable, but I am not sure of that either. Alen Specter voted for the right things in the past too. But he doesn't mind to screw us either. In general Castle will probably vote with us more than Coons for sure. But the risk of his bipartisanship on cap and trade for example can be damaging. You can argue that we hold the house, so we can stop cap trade even Castle will vote for it. But again, we will have to explain his vote again!

Posted by: LAI at November 05, 2010 02:10 PM (R4ub4)

474 Asked for a comment, Keef replied:

What do you mean why did I do it?

The Tea Party tasks me. It tasks me and I shall have It! I'll chase it 'round the
moons of Nibia and 'round the Antares Maelstrom and 'round Perdition's
flames before I give it up!

Posted by: krakatoa at November 05, 2010 02:10 PM (a0Jhx)

475 d'oh. wrong thread.

Posted by: krakatoa at November 05, 2010 02:10 PM (a0Jhx)

476 Posted by: CoolCzech at November 05, 2010 01:58 PM (tJjm/)
Astonian ass you say?
How did they keep this under the radar for so long?

Posted by: garrett at November 05, 2010 02:11 PM (LrfiV)

477 "You guys talk "principles," but your "principles" elected the bearded marxist."
Sorry Ace. The people of DE elected a bearded marxist. And if they'd rather have that than a COD nutjob who would at least know enough to keep her witchy fingers out of their pockets, it's their dog bowl - let 'em eat.

Posted by: Abiss at November 05, 2010 02:11 PM (1ilyW)

478 Haven't been on here much in last couple of days but can any of you explain to me how some of the alleged good polls were so far off? How does Sharon Angle go from being 4 points ahead to 6 points down?

And btw, Miller, and the thugs and the reporter, didn't resonate so well with a lot of people, it just didn't look right and was never explained.

The fact it that people who should be being subpoenaed by house committees secured offices in this election. That is a disgrace. People are still asking why eliot left? People are still asking why BO put his nose where it didn't belong and forced David Patterson not to run. People are still wondering why the republicans couldn't come up with any candidate better than Palladino (who tattoo was totally right about btw, all he was there to do was get rid of Rick Lazio and he did it quite successfully)

How many elections does Dino have to lose before he realizes that he has been frankened?

Sarah Pallin's biggest problem is Karl Rove. He must be working for someone with aspirations for the presidency (someone said this here) and he is instituting phase I of the "get rid of Palin campaign" by his attacks on Fox news. I had no respect for Rove when I figured out he was helping BO, (probably cause he despised hill) and I have even less respect for the guy now. You can be a genius but you can also be an evil genius and the line between them is very narrow.

Posted by: curious at November 05, 2010 02:11 PM (p302b)

479 Considering that blogs are all about disintermediation, why the fuck would anyone take the word of the dirty bastards who spiked her last-minute infomercial? Why should we care about Rove's observations? Why let the Castle-supporting Republican establishment tell us what we need to know?

Hey, Ace -- swing by and have a chat. Let us know whether she's (a) a dangerous kook who embodies every bit of mud that's been slung on her, or (b) a thoughtful conservative who's been slandered from Day 1. I sure as hell don't know -- and I wouldn't trust the MSM to tell me.

And if it's (b), how is that consistent with blaming her for any other race but her own?

Posted by: cthulhu at November 05, 2010 02:11 PM (/0IOT)

480 Before the Tea Party Express and Palin jumped in head first without testing the waters (i.e. vetting the unelectable fraud that is O'Donnell), Castle was polling 60% in the primary race.Then comes Palin and the TPE with very high profile state and nationalsupport along with bundles of cash from out of state, suddenly she pulls ahead.
That was not a coincidence.
Posted by: Hollowpoint

Another fact conveniently ignored. The state GOP had a chance to vet her in 2008 when they had her as the offical candidate against Biden. Theyapparantly didn't do it very well, or ignored the findings. And she did better than prior opponents, and gained more exposure, courtesy of the party. But again, it's easier to blame her and everyone who dares speak up. That way, the state GOP can go back to their winning ways.

Posted by: Blue Hen at November 05, 2010 02:12 PM (R2fpr)

481 You are a bunch of morons, or Rove's butt boys.Posted by: Scoob at November 05, 2010 02:04 PM (T7+JL)
A is definitely true; and probably also B.

Posted by: Louis Tully at November 05, 2010 02:13 PM (K/USr)

482 The benefit of being a RINO (or a conservative with
RINO tendencies) is that I am actually closer to an independent, so if I
say "Independents tend to think like this" I am not just making it up.
I can get into the mind of an indpendent because I used to be one.





Posted by: ace at November 05, 2010 01:35 PM (nj1bB)
Ok, lets get that Independent mind working.

Republicans run candidates ranging the field from 92%+ Conservative Kyl in Arizona to the 30% Conservative 70% liberal trifecta of Castle, Snowe, and Collins who we apparently really need as well.

Then Republicans come and tell you they're really serious about fiscal conservatism and small government, etc, etc.

Do you buy this shit? What do I know, maybe you do. maybe you believe that these hyper-liberal anti-conservative candidates are really behind the conservative goals of the Republicans as well.

I think it makes the "both parties are pretty much the same" argument; but I'll admit I'm a pretty serious partisan on the conservative side of things.

And if they claim to oppose Obama because they don't like his spending and big government policies and shit; why? I mean they've got their own proponents of exactly the same shit at that point, don't they?

Clearly they're only opposing for partisan reasons and won't actually change a fucking thing if elected... at least that's my read. Did I get that wrong? Can you tell an independent that your side is opposed to X, Y, and Z while having people on your side calling for X, Y, and Z and come across as rational and serious?

So tell me independents will believe that a party that accepts everyone also has really strong standards. That having liberals pushing liberal policies will show how you really want conservative goals, and how having people on our side proposing the same shit we're opposing won't in any way water down the message.

But you're going to have to sell the absolute shit out of this one; because I'm not seeing it.

Posted by: Gekkobear at November 05, 2010 02:13 PM (7TZuc)

483 Why DE Republican primary voters chose COD over Castle is a good question--for which I don't have the answer
Posted by: SantaRosaStan at November 05, 2010 02:08 PM (UqKQV)
I guess because it was a REPUBLICAN primary.

Posted by: TexasJew at November 05, 2010 02:13 PM (hgrfT)

484 I kept quiet on O'Donnell
Riiiight.

Posted by: andycanuck at November 05, 2010 02:13 PM (eQPq+)

485 I blame Rubio's loss in Florida on O'Donnel.

Posted by: Ace at November 05, 2010 02:13 PM (kcNAu)

486 Hey Soothsayer, did you read the link in my #291?

Are you going to man up and admit you were wrong and have no fucking clue what you are talking about?


Posted by: DrewM. at November 05, 2010 02:13 PM (HicGG)

487 It's a bit of a stretch to blame Rossi's loss on COD. I'd say King County was the major culprit along with the GOP candidate that threw a tantrum. Lesson to be taken from this election is to prepare better candidates well ahead of the election and not throw them out there with little screening and with only a few months of campaigning.

Posted by: CDR M at November 05, 2010 02:13 PM (BuYeH)

488 If we can blame CO for all the loss this cycle, then we can blame people like Castle for the debacle of big gov reps and the election of Obama?

Posted by: LAI at November 05, 2010 02:13 PM (R4ub4)

489 It's become an ego thing for ME? When I have this MCPO jackass claiming *I* caused O'Donnell her 17 point loss?

Wrong answer. I said AOSQ was among a cacophony of Republicans that made her job more difficult.

And don't call me a jackass again.

Posted by: MCPO Airdale at November 05, 2010 02:14 PM (G5qLy)

490 Oh for the love of God, when can we drop this?

Posted by: The inexplicable Dr. Julius Strangepork at November 05, 2010 02:14 PM (zxn7N)

491 Good Lord, I'm going back to the stinky snatch thread. We are where we are, an historic pick up in the house and at least 6 in the Senate. If the donkeys don't change, 2012 will be a bloodbath. 8-10 Senate pickups.

CO'D needs to shut up and go away and try to find some way to occupy herself. I hope she has someone close to her to tell her to avoid the MFM at all costs. They love having her come on and bash the "Republican establishment." These appearances aren't helping the R's or the Tea Party. Take your own advice and lose gracefully while trying to figure out how to help future R/TP candidates.

Posted by: Hedgehog at November 05, 2010 02:14 PM (oQIfB)

492 Foxnews has a segment on Christine blaming Republicans right now. Yipppeeee. She wont shut the fuck up, but the people she attacks are supposed to be quiet. You know how I know COD sucks? Al Gore lost with more class.

Posted by: swamp_yankee at November 05, 2010 02:15 PM (3DIBw)

493 Hey Ace, the 2012 Primary season ought to be starting soon. I hope you've got every nasty Palin rumor saved up. Make sure you post at least one or two a week. That way you and DrewM can post thread after thread after thread of "We told you so!" when she loses.

Posted by: Mob at November 05, 2010 02:15 PM (mefTt)

494 She turned me into a newt!
I got better.

Posted by: The inexplicable Dr. Julius Strangepork at November 05, 2010 02:15 PM (zxn7N)

495 Posted by: LAI at November 05, 2010 02:03 PM (R4ub4)

Reasonable people? On this blog? Did I miss something?

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) at November 05, 2010 02:15 PM (8y9MW)

496 I think the reason why Ace HATES O'donnel is she questions the evolution theory and she thinks it she be up to local school boards to decide if it's taught. She's "anti-science" in his view. He's got a bug up his butt about this lady and got more to do with an issue than anything else.

Posted by: Matt X at November 05, 2010 02:16 PM (kcNAu)

497 And don't call me a jackass again.
Lighten up, Jackass.

Posted by: Seargent Hulka at November 05, 2010 02:16 PM (LrfiV)

498 My ducks only laid two eggs this morning. I'm sure it's C O'Ds fault.

Posted by: The inexplicable Dr. Julius Strangepork at November 05, 2010 02:16 PM (zxn7N)

499 Posted by: Dr. Heinz Doofenshmirtz at November 05, 2010 02:04 PM (4JpPD)

Thank you.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) at November 05, 2010 02:16 PM (8y9MW)

500 O'Donnell got so much press out of so little talent and accomplishment because:

1) She is cute

2) She knows how to blow the dog whistle on conservative issues

and

3) She will talk for money.

Expect to see her trotted out by the left for the next 2 years to embarrass conservatives. Hell, we have Bristol f'n Palin on DWTS, and her accomplishments are even somewhat less impressive (born to mom on political enemies list, had a kid, and oh yeah, is cute - so there's that).

Trust me, you are only just beginning to get sick of COD.

THIS. I'm serious. Someone needs to pay her to shut up for the next 2 years at least.

Posted by: DocJ at November 05, 2010 02:17 PM (ACoO/)

501 Let's pretend that Ace is right, that O'Donnell somehow cost Buck and Rossi a couple points. Now, since we're accepting unproveable hypotheticals, let's be fair and add this one: how many points did she give them? Any review is a good review ... that's one of the oldest sayings in Broadway. Alvin Greene's 28% is proof that any publicity -- even outright mocking -- is good for votes.

Posted by: MaxMBJ at November 05, 2010 02:17 PM (90bLF)

502 Rush just said, DNC candidates don't get vetted. Maybe the RNC can do this instead.

Look, Delaware Primary voters fucked up with COD. We can't be scared into voting for RINO's but we can be smart in choosing between RINOs and ticking time bombs. COD grew toxic very quick

Posted by: joeindc44 at November 05, 2010 02:17 PM (QxSug)

503 What exactly do we win there?Seriously, read
my post above. I'm not demanding total conservative purity here; but
you're saying being considerably more liberal than a coin-toss on every
issue is too much to ask for? What good does it do to run a candidate
who will spend most of his time and effort attacking you and everything
you stand for?

Posted by: Gekkobear at November 05, 2010 02:02 PM (7TZuc

We win a vote against Reid for Majority Leader, etc

Castle was a RINO--bad, but not Coons. Preferable to Coons. In DE, where the choice is between Castle or Coons, you take Castle and hope for the best

There are 50 states; most of them are winnable for conservatives; DE is not

Concentrate on the 40-42 states where we have a chance. In DE, take the Lesser Evil. It's 3 counties and one district in Congress.

Posted by: SantaRosaStan at November 05, 2010 02:17 PM (UqKQV)

504 People in Colorado and Washington state went to the polls to stick it to O'Donnel in fuckin' Delaware. That is Ace's premise here, it's absurd. The hate has taken over and the reason has left the house.

Posted by: Matt X at November 05, 2010 02:18 PM (kcNAu)

505 466
Again,

Ace ignores the fact that Castle was no different from Coons. He has a fucking record, look at it. What is so hard about this, guy?

Posted by: Matt X at November 05, 2010 02:07 PM (kcNAu)

Castle voted against Obamacare and against the stimulus. Which probably would be conservative enough for DE Republicans, especially given that cap and trade appeared quite dead at the time of primary. It's a shame that Mark Levin, Rush, Hannity, and the Tea Party express not lied about this gave the DE voters misinformation about these votes.

Posted by: RINO lurker at November 05, 2010 02:18 PM (RLMa/)

506 I'm having a hard time getting going today. I think it's because COD cost us control of the Senate.

Posted by: The inexplicable Dr. Julius Strangepork at November 05, 2010 02:19 PM (zxn7N)

507 I would have voted for Coons before Castle.

Posted by: Melinda James at November 05, 2010 02:19 PM (3RuDB)

508 Really, Ace, you want to f this chicken some more?

Posted by: mockmook at November 05, 2010 02:19 PM (WZMt3)

509 499 My ducks only laid two eggs this morning. I'm sure it's CO'Ds fault.
Wrong. It was Karl Rove's fault.

Posted by: swamp_yankee at November 05, 2010 02:19 PM (3DIBw)

510 Why DE Republican primary voters chose COD over Castle is a good question--for which I don't have the answer
Posted by: SantaRosaStan at November 05, 2010 02:08 PM (UqKQV)
I've tried to explain this several times, including warnings before the primary happened.
1.Castle failed to move at all until after TPE and Palin endorsed O'Donnell.
2. When he did move, he went negative (yes, I know, she did negative too). His attacks backfired.
3. He did little positive campaigning, and it was late in the game
4.The state GOP went negative against her, which reinforced the image of a loner against the establishment (an image that has some validity)
5. her stated positions were more appealing to the base (the people voting in the primary).
6. he had a voting record to explain; she did not.

Posted by: Blue Hen at November 05, 2010 02:19 PM (R2fpr)

511 Castle voted against Obamacare and against the
stimulus. Which probably would be conservative enough for DE
Republicans, especially given that cap and trade appeared quite dead at
the time of primary.

Posted by: RINO lurker at November 05, 2010 02:18 PM (RLMa/)
Except for the fact THAT THEY VOTED HIM OUT IN THE PRIMARY.LOL.

Posted by: Oldcat at November 05, 2010 02:20 PM (z1N6a)

512 Blue Hen Castles influence is not down to zero and I never suggested that. I said it was a factor, not they only factor that a voter will consider. I did point out, however, that candidates x voters are not always transferrable to candidate y merely because of an endorsement. Particularly (and perhaps I should have explained this better) when candidate x and candidate y do not have matching or similar political philosophy.

For example: Hillarys endorsement of Obama could result in a large percentage of her primary voters going to Obama because they have similar political beliefs. On the other hand, a Tom Tancredo endorsement of John McCain is not going to have the similar effect because of the differences (particularly of illegal immigration) that the candidates have.

I think the Castle did not endorse her, that is why she lost argument is, at best, a strawman. If the race was 1 or 2 points, maybe. 17 no. I posted yesterday 4 reasons I thought she lost 2 were beyond her control, 2 were of her control. I am not going to repost them here, because, bluntly, every post I have today seems to go on and on and on. Suffice it to say, no one factor killed her, no on factor was going to save her.

Posted by: Mallamutt at November 05, 2010 02:20 PM (OWjjx)

513 Is the blog really trying to alienate a sizeable chunk of the Morons/Moronettes? That's what the outcome is going to be if this COD nonsense keeps up.
Posted by: Unclefacts, Summoner of Meteors, Pudding Dipper Extraodinaire at November 05, 2010 01:46 PM (eCAn3)
DING DING DING

Posted by: Burn the Witch at November 05, 2010 02:20 PM (fLHQe)

514 This @158, but I think it could become worse.
St. Christine of the Flying Broomstick is going to keep talking as long as there is money, and she will say whatever gets her in front of a camera or reporter...and the left/media will make damn sure she does. If the Tea Party or the conservative purists start to disavow her...well, you will have "unfortunately been taken over by the Republican machine" and poor, sweet, cute Christine will wipe a silver tear from her cheek during the interview and say "it's just so sad, they weren't what I thought they were".
Because that's what she is: a younger Tammy Faye with better makeup, and you got played, and be prepared to get played some more by "your girl". Hey, happens to the best of people, but please realize that defending her or making excuses for her in reality probably hurts you and your movement.
So please, don't get mad a people who post threads that attempt to do some damage control before the O'Donnell blame train gets really rolling

Posted by: unknown jane at November 05, 2010 02:21 PM (5/yRG)

515 Deleware primary voters voted for her. Now both of you are fighting yesterdays war. Someone move to Delaware and become the perfect candidate if it fucking bothers you that much.

Posted by: goosey at November 05, 2010 02:21 PM (kgs/Q)

516 Posted by: Oldcat at November 05, 2010 02:20 PM (z1N6a)

Based upon misinformation. Why didn't Levin and company at least give people accurate info and then let the voters decide. Why the lies?

Posted by: RINO lurker at November 05, 2010 02:21 PM (RLMa/)

517 given that cap and trade appeared quite dead at the time of primary

He was talking with Reid to pick it up after the election. He received money from Soros too! The assumption that DE is so blue that only Castle can win, ie he is not much different from a liberal democrat.

Posted by: LAI at November 05, 2010 02:21 PM (R4ub4)

518 505
People in Colorado and Washington state went to the polls to stick it to
O'Donnel in fuckin' Delaware. That is Ace's premise here, it's
absurd. The hate has taken over and the reason has left the house.

Posted by: Matt X at November 05, 2010 02:18 PM (kcNAu)
+1

Posted by: The inexplicable Dr. Julius Strangepork at November 05, 2010 02:21 PM (zxn7N)

519 Castle voted against Obamacare and against the stimulus. Which probably would be conservative enough for DE Republicans, especially given that cap and trade appeared quite dead at the time of primary. It's a shame that Mark Levin, Rush, Hannity, and the Tea Party express not lied about this gave the DE voters misinformation about these votes.
Posted by: RINO lurker

Castle voted FOR cap and trade and defended that vote in the Weekly Standard the day before the fucking primary. How's that for wowing the locals??? If he had kept his goddamned mouth shut or promised to rethink it he may have saved his bony ass.

Posted by: Blue Hen at November 05, 2010 02:22 PM (R2fpr)

520 It's now seriously past time for her to STFU and move on.

Posted by: jmflynny at November 05, 2010 02:22 PM (JItMh)

521 498 Yeah, anonymous tough guy. Sure thing.

Posted by: MCPO Airdale at November 05, 2010 02:22 PM (G5qLy)

522 Rush is on a roll on this topic. You guys need to lock it up!

Posted by: joeindc44 at November 05, 2010 02:23 PM (QxSug)

523 Ah, I missed Ace weighing in with:
1. "She's borderline retarded"
2. "ethically challenged"
3. "she's a creationist"

.....and we know this because it was in all the news stories, natch.

Posted by: cthulhu at November 05, 2010 02:23 PM (/0IOT)

524 Is the blog really trying to alienate a sizeable chunk of the
Morons/Moronettes? That's what the outcome is going to be if this COD
nonsense keeps up.

Posted by: Unclefacts, Summoner of Meteors, Pudding Dipper Extraodinaire at November 05, 2010 01:46 PM (eCAn3)
Really? You think people can't handle honest disagreement?
Remember when we used to make fun of liberals for cocooning themselves from bad news? Good times, good times!

Posted by: DrewM. at November 05, 2010 02:23 PM (HicGG)

525 And I feel some similar reservations about Kirk (so this isn't about being proRino or whatever -- I don't belong to any party anyway)-- I don't trust him not to go all floppy. I hope somebody keeps him walking the straight and narrow -- it would have been better if Brady had won, oh well. Hopefully he doesn't become a liability.

Posted by: unknown jane at November 05, 2010 02:23 PM (5/yRG)

526 Based upon misinformation. Why didn't Levin and
company at least give people accurate info and then let the voters
decide. Why the lies?

Posted by: RINO lurker at November 05, 2010 02:21 PM (RLMa/)
Good thing Democrats never use disinformation in their campaigning. Now I can understand why he was unprepared for it.Now next time we can run a Blood Red guy in DE, and just use the 100 percent successful disinformation tactic. Score!

Posted by: Oldcat at November 05, 2010 02:24 PM (z1N6a)

527 Let's do some math:

O'Donnell got 40% of the vote in Delaware. Since 1970 the Republican senatorial candidate in Delaware average ... 40%. I just did the math.

So ... O'Donnell's strange behavior, her past, the bad press, whatever, didn't cost her a vote.

More math to follow.

Posted by: MaxMBJ at November 05, 2010 02:24 PM (90bLF)

528 Ace: The Lesson Of The Midterms Is I Need To Speak To You (COD supporters) Slower And Use Smaller Words - there you go Ace and DrewM, fixed that other headline for you.

Posted by: Former Tenant at November 05, 2010 02:24 PM (tpzGL)

529 Rush is saying that Ellmers is going to lose the race cause the RNC is no where near there to help her with the "found ballots"

The very first thing the republican house has to try to get through is a national law of voting on one day only, in person and the votes must be turned in by midnight of election day or they won't count. period end of sentence.

Posted by: curious at November 05, 2010 02:24 PM (p302b)

530 Using the same logic, we can blame the debacle of 2006 and 2008 on the people like Mike Castle. That explained why the base didn't want to repeat the mistake the 3rd time. I kept saying that it was a rational decision either way. Once the primary was over, tried to help her (just like we did for McCain, Specter, etc...). She was sabotaged by the Del and National Reps, and that was a fact.

Posted by: LAI at November 05, 2010 02:24 PM (R4ub4)

531 515[snip]So please, don't get mad a people who post threads that attempt to do
some damage control before the O'Donnell blame train gets really
rolling
Posted by: unknown jane at November 05, 2010 02:21 PM (5/yRG)
So That's why we're still stuck on this. Damage control. Sure. Not pique, not petulance, not whining, but damage control.

Posted by: The inexplicable Dr. Julius Strangepork at November 05, 2010 02:25 PM (zxn7N)

532 Curious,
The Reps spent a lot of money for Crist. They helped Murkowski. And dumped a lot of money into CA.

Posted by: LAI at November 05, 2010 02:25 PM (R4ub4)

533 I think the Castle did not endorse her, that is why she lost argument is, at best, a strawman. If the race was 1 or 2 points, maybe. 17 no. I posted yesterday 4 reasons I thought she lost 2 were beyond her control, 2 were of her control. I am not going to repost them here, because, bluntly, every post I have today seems to go on and on and on. Suffice it to say, no one factor killed her, no on factor was going to save her.
Posted by: Mallamutt

Agreed, in part. his hositlity isn't a strawman, but neither was it the critical factor.I figured that her only path to victory was a heavy Republican/independent turnout AND a depressed Dem turnout. We actually saw this during the primary. It definitely did NOT happen during the general. I think that we all talked ourselves into believing the enthusiasm factor to be more potent than it was.

Posted by: Blue Hen at November 05, 2010 02:25 PM (R2fpr)

534 People can handle disagreement, it's the insults they could do without.

Posted by: Dr. Spank at November 05, 2010 02:26 PM (Y81Xa)

535 Ace wrote:---You guys talk "principles," but your "principles" elected the bearded marxist.


Yeah, and you seem completely fucking incapable of acknowledging that there's a strong argument that a bearded marxist whose actions the Democrats have to "own" is better than a RINO fucking traitor who gives the Dems "bipartisan" cover and stabs us in the back on all big issues.

Castle's tendency, on the ISSUES THAT COUNT, to vote against conservative ideals 2 time out of 3; his support for cap and tax; his comment about "repair not repeal" on the health care thing, and all that shit are really bad mojo.

Its not just moderate. Its the antithesis of what we're trying to accomplish.

Posted by: GonjaGonzOhWhyCantIEverRememberMyScreenName at November 05, 2010 02:26 PM (nTd0a)

536 Really? You think people can't handle honest disagreement?
Remember when we used to make fun of liberals for cocooning themselves from bad news? Good times, good times!


Posted by: DrewM. at November 05, 2010 02:23 PM (HicGG)
'I told you ratfuckers so' is not honest disagreement, on either side. I'm still waiting for why as a non Delawarian who gave no money to Tea Party or COD, I am somehow to blame for this.

Posted by: Oldcat at November 05, 2010 02:27 PM (z1N6a)

537 THIS. I'm serious. Someone needs to pay her to shut up for the next 2 years at least.

Posted by: DocJ at November 05, 2010 02:17 PM (ACoO/)

You know if the Republican party leadership in DE had gone to her with a deal and a job we probably wouldn't even be having this conversation right now. The woman won more votes against Joe Biden than any other Republican that ever ran against him 2 years ago. Did they really think she was just going to fade away? There is only one group to blame here and that is the R DE leadership. Instead they tied to ignore her and when that didn't work they said she couldn't be elected dog catcher and filed and FEC complaint against her. They did this to a member of their OWN DAMN PARTY in a primary. If they had any balls at all maybe they would have been able to put a little pressure on castle so he wouldn't vote with the Demcrats HALF the time at least.
You want to blame anyone for COD? Blame then and Castle and stop wondering why the DE Rs gave them the big fat finger in the primary for their choices for Senate AND the House.

Posted by: Rocks at November 05, 2010 02:27 PM (Q1lie)

538 I said yesterday, O'Donnell was Castle's fault. Anyone can enter a senate race. COD ran in 2008 and got 35% against Biden. Take the witch seriously. They allowed her an opening without a vigorous response and she won almost by default. Castle should have spent more money and run harder in south DE as well as Dover. Castle has only himself and the GOP establishment to blame for losing the primary campaign. Lesson from 2010, you must destroy the problems before they hurt the party. Call Rush and talk radio to refute your opponent and make your case as a moderate/conservative. Move to the right and try to blunt your opponent's attacks. You know just like any other campaign, run to win. In the primary Castle didn't run he looked like he expected a coronation. (Just like MurCokeSki). Except in blue DE you can't run two Rs. In RED AK, u can.

Posted by: lorenU at November 05, 2010 02:27 PM (ZMeaC)

539 Really? You think people can't handle honest disagreement?
Remember when we used to make fun of liberals for cocooning themselves from bad news? Good times, good times!


Posted by: DrewM. at November 05, 2010 02:23 PM (HicGG)

Drew, do you think the tenor of your post, and now Ace's and the subsequent comments from you both are "honest disagreement"?

Posted by: Unclefacts, Summoner of Meteors, Pudding Dipper Extraodinaire at November 05, 2010 02:27 PM (eCAn3)

540 I am surprised that Patterico has the most reasonable take on the election. I can't stand the smug of the "establishment" reps about losing the Senate! Without the Tea Party, I am not sure that we would even take the house.

Posted by: LAI at November 05, 2010 02:27 PM (R4ub4)

541 523
Rush is on a roll on this topic. You guys need to lock it up!

I've been listening to that, but he's ignoring what the newer and younger Rs have been saying. It's also interesting how the people he's quoting don't hold office anymore and therefore don't matter (to my mind, anyhow). The RNC and thr group refusing to help Renee Elmers also aren't the same organization. Now, I want Pete Sessions to explain why he isn't giving her money, but I don't like Rush painting with a broad brush here.

Posted by: Miss'80sBaby at November 05, 2010 02:28 PM (Yq+qN)

542 This much I know: I told y'all she'd get her ass kicked. There's not much to say after that, is there?

Posted by: Walt Gilbert at November 05, 2010 02:28 PM (PmZ9N)

543 528
Let's do some math:





O'Donnell got 40% of the vote in Delaware. Since 1970 the Republican
senatorial candidate in Delaware average ... 40%. I just did the math.





So ... O'Donnell's strange behavior, her past, the bad press, whatever, didn't cost her a vote.





More math to follow.

Posted by: MaxMBJ at November 05, 2010 02:24 PM (90bLF)

529
Ace: The Lesson Of The Midterms Is I Need To Speak To You (COD
supporters) Slower And Use Smaller Words - there you go Ace and DrewM,
fixed that other headline for you.


Posted by: Former Tenant at November 05, 2010 02:24 PM (tpzGL)
You gettin' a clue yet, guys gals? That it's maybe time to move on (to coin a phrase)?

Posted by: The inexplicable Dr. Julius Strangepork at November 05, 2010 02:28 PM (zxn7N)

544 Thank YOU Ace (and JeffB and SarahW). I completely agree with both of you, too. And I tried very hard not to crap on her before her loss; I really wanted to believe she wasn't what she clearly was.

But - this is important - Christine O'Donnell ABSOLUTELY was a drag on Pat Toomey - we dodged a bullet there. It would not have been close without her. Why did Corbett win by what, seven percent? and Toomey only 1? Who goes in, votes R for Gov, then D for senator? and why do they do that? I'll tell you who - independent/moderate women and demo women voters in PA who are scared of Obama/Pelosi but ALSO scared of a Tea Party that would push candidates like that. I've spoken to a LOT of them, and Christine is absolutely why they split that vote here in SE PA. So, Louis Tully, respectfully, you are incorrect. I'm sure men didn't care and ignored it all, but women here DID NOT.

It's she who won't let this die because it's she who WON'T go away - and trust me, she won't.

Posted by: BlackOrchid at November 05, 2010 02:28 PM (SB0V2)

545 I supported COD to stop Castle because he'd be a rubber stamp for Harry Reid. He'd vote for all of their shit and the Dims would be able to call it "bipartisan".


But Ace is right. It's time for her to leave the stage.


If you want to rage against the establishment, here are two better reasons than COD:


-In NC, the NRCC backed a bunch of candidates who lost. They refused to help Renee Elmers, who won and is now facing a recount, and they're refusing to help her with the recount. The RNC and SarahPAC have ponied up some dough, but zilch from the NRCC.


-The NRSC ran ads in Alaska attacking the Dem but nothing against the corrupt RINO cokewhore. They drove the Dem's supporters into Skeezah McCokewhore's camp. They did more harm than good. Whether they did this intentionally or there was malice aforethought I don't know, but heads should roll over this, starting with Cornyn's.

Posted by: ol_dirty_/b/tard at November 05, 2010 02:29 PM (xymE0)

546 Posted by: Blue Hen at November 05, 2010 02:22 PM (R2fpr)

Yeah, cap and trade is awful but it didn't pass with 60 DEMS in the senate and clearly wasn't going to pass with 58 DEMS including Manchin in the lame duck session. Meanwhile Obamacare is the law of the land unless we get enough votes to repeal it. And we are going to need every vote we can get in the Senate in 2013 to achieve that repeal. The DE loss makes repeal of Obamacare harder.

Posted by: RINO lurker at November 05, 2010 02:29 PM (RLMa/)

547 Come on, COD was not a great canditate but if you wan to see somebody who made the tea party look bad, it wasPalandino in NY. Talk about missing a conservative waveespecially with a Cumo on the ticket. Funny I haven't seen Ace right about that.

Posted by: SCBison at November 05, 2010 02:30 PM (hJBwl)

548 The Republican comeback was because of the Tea Party. Plain and simple. If the Pubs don't like the Tea Party they should say so and the Tea Party will go elsewhere. O'Donnell should have joined the KKK or killed somebody like Ted Kennedy did. Then ACE would have liked her.

Posted by: alans at November 05, 2010 02:30 PM (frMli)

549 Another fact conveniently ignored. The state GOP had a chance to vet her in 2008 when they had her as the offical candidate against Biden. They apparantly didn't do it very well, or ignored the findings. And she did better than prior opponents, and gained more exposure, courtesy of the party. But again, it's easier to blame her and everyone who dares speak up. That way, the state GOP can go back to their winning ways.

They had no reason to vet her because she had even less of a chance beating Bidenthan she did Coons- she lost that race by 30 points (with such a stellar record, it's no wonder she ran again!). She was just a placeholder on the ballot who won the primary unopposed.
But hey- she improved from losing by 30 points to losing by 17. Maybe if she keeps up her perpetual candidate routine she'll onlycome 6 points behindby 2022 or so. Sure beats getting an actual job.

Posted by: Hollowpoint at November 05, 2010 02:30 PM (plsiE)

550 Yeah, anonymous tough guy. Sure thing.
Hey asshole, check the Hash.
I don't post anonymously. It was a sock. Rather famous one as well.
Garrettis my name and I don't hide it like most here. Unfortunately for you, you are too fucking dimwitted to use a site search.
But I value your opinions. Really. I do. Mr. Airdale, sir.
Now go get yer fuckin' shinebox.

Posted by: garrett at November 05, 2010 02:30 PM (LrfiV)

551 Meanwhile Obamacare is the law of the land unless we
get enough votes to repeal it. And we are going to need every vote we
can get in the Senate in 2013 to achieve that repeal. The DE loss makes
repeal of Obamacare harder.



Posted by: RINO lurker at November 05, 2010 02:29 PM (RLMa/)
But I believe Castle said that he would NOT vote for a repeal of Obamacare in the Primary season.

Posted by: Oldcat at November 05, 2010 02:31 PM (z1N6a)

552 Castle did not support repeal of Obamacare. All the RINOs voted against it, but he did not support repeal.
Club for Growth gave him a 28% score for a reason. Here is his record:
Voted YES on TARPVoted YES on Cap and TradeVoted YES on Cash for ClunkersVoted YES on the auto bailoutVoted YES on bailing out Fannie and FreddieVoted YES on SCHIP (w/ tax increase)Voted YES to increase taxes on oil and gas companiesVoted YES to increase the minimum wageVoted NO to open up ANWRVoted YES on the pork-infested 2005 Highway billVoted NO to restrict eminent domain abuseVoted YES to increase funding for PBSVoted YES on the Medicare drug benefitVoted YES on No Child Left BehindVoted YES on McCain-FeingoldVoted NO to end milk subsidiesVoted NO on waiving Davis-Bacon labor rules

Posted by: Matt X at November 05, 2010 02:31 PM (kcNAu)

553 542 Let me correct that: NRCC

Peter Sessions is in-charge of the group, though their website does not specify who made the decision as to not helping Elmers.

Posted by: Miss'80sBaby at November 05, 2010 02:31 PM (Yq+qN)

554 Why did Corbett win by what, seven percent? and Toomey only 1?
Again, Tammy Bruce mentioned that sestak ran a powerful ad against Toomey before the election. It tied Toomey to China for his support of free trade. We need an answer for that for 2012.

OK, using your logic, people like Castle was responsible for our debacles in 2006 and 2008 when the Rep was a party of big gov?

Posted by: LAI at November 05, 2010 02:32 PM (R4ub4)

555 But I believe Castle said that he would NOT vote for a repeal of Obamacare in the Primary season.
No.he said he would. And he sponsored the bill in the House to repeal it.

Mike Castle was a flawed candidate. And a flawed elected official. And there is fair criticism of him. This is just not one of them.

Posted by: Mallamutt at November 05, 2010 02:33 PM (OWjjx)

556 So, there are still people pretending that Christine O'Donnell has ever been or will ever be a solid, viable candidate for office? Fun times.

Be as angry as you want about how she was supposedly betrayed, backdoored, whatever. Fine. At the end of the day, that won't change the fact that a pretty good chunk of the commenters here have a more impressive resume than Christine O'Donnell.

Posted by: radar at November 05, 2010 02:33 PM (sWEaY)

557 Posted by: Unclefacts, Summoner of Meteors, Pudding Dipper Extraodinaire at November 05, 2010 02:27 PM (eCAn3)

I'll only speak for my post but I didn't say anything negative about her supporters. I laid out the case, referring to exit polls and everything to back up my position.

This is all I said about her supporters:

Here's what really bothers me about this race and people's positions
on it...every party and movement is going to nominate a stinker every
now and then. It happens. Usually though you just politely turn away and
ignore them. In this case a lot of folks not only didn't want to ignore
O'Donnell (that was RINOism!) but embraced and promoted her.

That was a mistake, not because of what it meant in Delaware (a lost
cause without Castle on the ballot) but what it means nationally.
O'Donnell was a lousy candidate. She had a sketchy personal story, no
record of achievement before coming to the race and no real ability to
further the conservative message. We spent a lot of money and time on a
candidate that had no shot. If you were a Democrat and wanted to hurt
conservatives or the tea party by making someone the face of those
groups, you'd pick Christine O'Donnell. The fact that a lot of
conservatives willingly did that is simply an unforced error we should
not repeat. So, yeah, I think that's an honest disagreement summing up my feelings about what happened and what we should do moving forward. There's nothing insulting there, just simply facts, opinions and analysis.

Tell me specifically what in my post was so horrible outside the lines of honest disagreement.

Posted by: DrewM. at November 05, 2010 02:33 PM (HicGG)

558 That's actually kind of impressive, that they managed to coordinate her destruction from within the bushes of her own house.

Actually they did from the bushes of their Castle.

Posted by: LAI at November 05, 2010 02:33 PM (R4ub4)

559 I think Paladino cost us Colorado.

Posted by: Dr. Spank at November 05, 2010 02:34 PM (Y81Xa)

560 And the Club for Growth will give Christine O'Donnell a score of 0%, because that woman will never be elected to anything.

Posted by: radar at November 05, 2010 02:34 PM (sWEaY)

561 and democrats who deride the election results, nyah nyah nyah, are basically admitting they suck so bad, we should have grabbed all low lying fruit, including senate seats in super blue states. which we almost did.

Posted by: joeindc44 at November 05, 2010 02:34 PM (QxSug)

562 Ace wants to tell you that a politician in Castle who opposed repeal of Obamacare and had the folllowing voting record was better than voting for O'Donnel, whatever her flaws:
Voted YES on TARPVoted YES on Cap and TradeVoted YES on Cash for ClunkersVoted YES on the auto bailoutVoted YES on bailing out Fannie and FreddieVoted YES on SCHIP (w/ tax increase)Voted YES to increase taxes on oil and gas companiesVoted YES to increase the minimum wageVoted NO to open up ANWRVoted YES on the pork-infested 2005 Highway billVoted NO to restrict eminent domain abuseVoted YES to increase funding for PBSVoted YES on the Medicare drug benefitVoted YES on No Child Left BehindVoted YES on McCain-FeingoldVoted NO to end milk subsidiesVoted NO on waiving Davis-Bacon labor rules

Posted by: Matt X at November 05, 2010 02:34 PM (kcNAu)

563 Posted by: Dr. Spank at November 05, 2010 02:34 PM (Y81Xa)

No but he may have cost us one House seat and a bunch of state senate races.

Posted by: DrewM. at November 05, 2010 02:35 PM (HicGG)

564 We spent a lot of money and time on a
candidate that had no shot.

Balme Karl Rove then. If he kept his mouth shut, then it wouldn't be a big issue then! The national GOP spent a lot of money for their Castle, Crist, Murkowski, Bennet.

Posted by: LAI at November 05, 2010 02:35 PM (R4ub4)

565 Posted by: Blue Hen at November 05, 2010 02:22 PM (R2fpr) Yeah, cap and trade is awful but it didn't pass with 60 DEMS in the senate and clearly wasn't going to pass with 58 DEMS including Manchin in the lame duck session. Meanwhile Obamacare is the law of the land unless we get enough votes to repeal it. And we are going to need every vote we can get in the Senate in 2013 to achieve that repeal. The DE loss makes repeal of Obamacare harder.
Posted by: RINO lurker

Who the fuck said anything about the Senate or Obamacare!?! I said for the umpteenth time that Castle shot his mouth off about Cap and trade the DAY BEFORE THE FUCKING PRIMARY. That is what primary voters heard.
Ace and co: When O'Donnell say something stupid, chisel it in stone.
Ace and co:When Castle says something stupid, ignore it or rationalize it.
HE HAD NO FUCKING REASON TO DO THAT IF HE WANTED TO WIN THAT FUCKING PRIMARY. Do I sound enraged? maybe it's because I voted for that tax fattened hyena and he managed to lose to badly flawed candidate. And then i get to listen to one pack of lies after another.

Jesus wept.

Posted by: Blue Hen at November 05, 2010 02:35 PM (R2fpr)

566 Drew, you can't argue with zealots. You can lay out in a calm, logical fashion how poor a choice O'Donnell was, and they'll basically snort and rant about how you and Mike Castle are communists.

Posted by: radar at November 05, 2010 02:36 PM (sWEaY)

567 530
The very
first thing the republican house has to try to get through is a
national law of voting on one day only, in person and the votes must be
turned in by midnight of election day or they won't count. period end
of sentence.

I wish they would. The fact that the Dems are always conveniently 'finding' ballots in back corners when it suits them is something that needs to be addressed.

Posted by: Miss'80sBaby at November 05, 2010 02:36 PM (Yq+qN)

568 cthulhu @ 309: all I can say is, THIS.

Posted by: Otis Criblecoblis at November 05, 2010 02:36 PM (fjoLg)

569 No but he may have cost us one House seat and a bunch of state senate races.

Thanks to the attack against her by the Del GOP! sorry, they are utterly blameless in this case.


Posted by: LAI at November 05, 2010 02:36 PM (R4ub4)

570 Ace and his parrot brownoser DrewM think conservatives should vote for politicians with this voting record.....this guy would have been a true win for DE and a real thorn in Obama's side:
Voted YES on TARPVoted YES on Cap and TradeVoted YES on Cash for ClunkersVoted YES on the auto bailoutVoted YES on bailing out Fannie and FreddieVoted YES on SCHIP (w/ tax increase)Voted YES to increase taxes on oil and gas companiesVoted YES to increase the minimum wageVoted NO to open up ANWRVoted YES on the pork-infested 2005 Highway billVoted NO to restrict eminent domain abuseVoted YES to increase funding for PBSVoted YES on the Medicare drug benefitVoted YES on No Child Left BehindVoted YES on McCain-FeingoldVoted NO to end milk subsidiesVoted NO on waiving Davis-Bacon labor rules

Posted by: Matt X at November 05, 2010 02:36 PM (kcNAu)

571 I actually thought Paladino was a worse candidate than O'Donnell, and that's saying something.

Posted by: Dr. Spank at November 05, 2010 02:37 PM (Y81Xa)

572 So, yeah, I think that's an honest disagreement
summing up my feelings about what happened and what we should do moving
forward. There's nothing insulting there, just simply facts, opinions
and analysis. Tell me specifically what in my post was so horrible outside the lines of honest disagreement.

Posted by: DrewM. at November 05, 2010 02:33 PM (HicGG)
We can't do ANYTHING about it, not unless we move to Delaware. Or do I get to blame you for not getting Carly in?

Posted by: Oldcat at November 05, 2010 02:38 PM (z1N6a)

573 I'm still waiting for Soothsayer to admit he was wrong.

Oh I forgot....being a true conservative means never having to say you made a mistake.

Posted by: DrewM. at November 05, 2010 02:38 PM (HicGG)

574 In NY, they couldn't even convince Giulianni to run! But that was the fault of the Tea Party.

Posted by: LAI at November 05, 2010 02:38 PM (R4ub4)

575 Lots of people still seem to be publishing attacks/self justifications regarding that race.

Posted by: Ken at November 05, 2010 02:38 PM (3ar4L)

576 Posted by: Matt X at November 05, 2010 02:36 PM (kcNAu)
Dude it became uninteresting the 2nd time you posted it, annoying the third time.

Next time, add some big bold fontso.k. Pam?

Posted by: Mallamutt at November 05, 2010 02:39 PM (OWjjx)

577 Drew, you can't argue with zealots. You can lay out
in a calm, logical fashion how poor a choice O'Donnell was, and they'll
basically snort and rant about how you and Mike Castle are communists.

Posted by: radar at November 05, 2010 02:36 PM (sWEaY)
And you talk past the non-Zealots and call them Zealots. Like Blue Hen.

Posted by: Oldcat at November 05, 2010 02:39 PM (z1N6a)

578 Posted by: Oldcat at November 05, 2010 02:38 PM (z1N6a)

So in other words, national political blogs can't write about anything unless they are in that state?

That's how you think this works?

BTW-if that's the rule, call the Tea Party Express people out in Sacramento and tell them they fucked things up by getting involved in Delaware.

Posted by: DrewM. at November 05, 2010 02:39 PM (HicGG)

579 I think War cost me 3 brain cells just reading him.

Posted by: Dr. Spank at November 05, 2010 02:40 PM (Y81Xa)

580 But I believe Castle said that he would NOT vote for a repeal of Obamacare in the Primary season.

Posted by: Oldcat at November 05, 2010 02:31 PM (z1N6a)

According to the Weekly Standard, Castle supported repeal and actually co-sponsored a bill to do just that in the House.

Posted by: RINO lurker at November 05, 2010 02:40 PM (RLMa/)

581 But, on the other hand, a candidate who begins in a hole due to serious questions about credibility and qualifications and
whose positions are in disagreement with the majority of people she
would presume to represent? That right there is the difference between a
race that could have been won and a blow-out.

ODonnell explained how GOP insiders maneuvered to undermine her
campaign from day one.
The above are not exclusive positions. Even if I granted every word of Ace's post -though I don't go quite as far as he does- I'd still buy this part of O'Donnell's claim.

It's still not clear to me that Mike Castle was a better choice. Better than O'Donnell in some specific areas, yes, but in a tea party wave year he'd have been just as poisonous to even the Delaware base (who, by the way, voted for O'Donnell in the primary before the bulk of her national attention and funding) as O'Donnell was to the Delaware independents. The Rovian calculation that Castle was the best candidate for Delaware might have been correct in a business as usual year, but in a fiscal crisis wave year I don't see how he turns out either the republican base or the new-to-politics slice of the Tea Party.

The GOP establishment needs to meet the traditional base and the Tea Party halfway on this. It's a little precious for Rove and others to back an NRA-opposed, cap-and-trade supporting candidate and then be surprised and outraged by a challenge in the Republican primary. If they wanted a pro candidate then they should have cut Castle loose and done their own recruitment. Instead they bet on the career politician they knew personally, apparently without ever understanding the mood of the year.

I'm also not as ashamed as perhaps I should be to have backed someone without the full resume I'd like in a Senator. After Bobby the Klan Kleagle Byrd, Ted the Killer Kennedy, "Guam capsizing if we put a military base there" (forget the name), Obama the community organizer who couldn't even get the asbestos out of a housing complex, but who always got promoted upward, I'm beyond caring. Our most embarrassing losers are more qualified than their most respected elder statesman. I'm done granting the premise that ivy-league legacy admission --> government service --> yet more government service --> congress --> "fact-finding" junkets at taxpayer expense --> obviously qualified for high office. Screw that. I'll remember the double standard in the future only for practical calculations of electability. But I'm not going to join the firing squad for a regular woman who dared to challenge her betters in a year and as part of a movement in which millions of other people were doing just that.

Again, if the GOP wants stronger candidates, they'd better get their heads out of their asses, meet us half or even a quarter of the way, and do their own recruitment based on more than just the favor bank and familiar faces.

Posted by: Dave R. at November 05, 2010 02:40 PM (bFdGg)

582 Mike Castle was a flawed candidate. And a flawed elected official. And there is fair criticism of him. This is just not one of them.


Posted by: Mallamutt at November 05, 2010 02:33 PM (OWjjx)

Mike was a place holder for that biden kid. And a way to pretend that the republicans actually got a senate seat. In the world of Rovian politics a win/win. the voters of DE instead, with "the ground game" a code word for unions put in the bearded marxist.

Posted by: curious at November 05, 2010 02:40 PM (p302b)

583 You are the rational logical Republican if you supported Castle over O'Donnel. You are smarter than the rest of us because you know a Republican with this badass voting record is going to be a whole lot different than Coons.....there's a BIG difference b/t Coons and Castle, Ace and his parrottold us so. O'Donnel was no better thanCastle who:
Voted YES on TARPVoted YES on Cap and TradeVoted YES on Cash for ClunkersVoted YES on the auto bailoutVoted YES on bailing out Fannie and FreddieVoted YES on SCHIP (w/ tax increase)Voted YES to increase taxes on oil and gas companiesVoted YES to increase the minimum wageVoted NO to open up ANWRVoted YES on the pork-infested 2005 Highway billVoted NO to restrict eminent domain abuseVoted YES to increase funding for PBSVoted YES on the Medicare drug benefitVoted YES on No Child Left BehindVoted YES on McCain-FeingoldVoted NO to end milk subsidiesVoted NO on waiving Davis-Bacon labor rules

Posted by: Matt X at November 05, 2010 02:41 PM (kcNAu)

584
Why the fuck isn't it therefore fair enough to
turn it around and suppose that her public asshattery slimed the entire
party going into Election Day? 'Cause that's a lot more plausible than
"the mean people in the bushes are picking on me".


Posted by: The War Between the Undead States at November 05, 2010 02:38 PM (XrCW4)
Well if you do that, you can't continue to trash the Odonnelistas, since you embrace the same tactic.

Posted by: Oldcat at November 05, 2010 02:41 PM (z1N6a)

585 Ace, I still love you baby. I know you are pissed over the DE thing and understand your frustration.
But the sovereignty of DE spoke in the primary and the candidate they chose was C'OD.
The natural path of logic would be thus one in favor of sovereignty andfavorable treatment of Delaware's sovereign voice and candiate C'OD.
The marker has been set for republicans in all of the states, that my friend is the insoluble message no matter how much it ispissed onby the hackneyed political analysis by those who disagree with DE and C'OD.

Posted by: journolist at November 05, 2010 02:41 PM (O/NP5)

586 Oh I forgot....being a true conservative means never having to say you made a mistake.
Posted by: DrewM. at November 05, 2010 02:38 PM (HicGG)
And being a _____________means contantly telling people who supported the winner of the Republican primary that they are idiots.

Posted by: Windmill of Death at November 05, 2010 02:41 PM (VmtE9)

587 the 11th commandment, don't speak ill of other republicans. The smart guys broke that rule way too much with COD.

Posted by: joeindc44 at November 05, 2010 02:41 PM (QxSug)

588 According to the Weekly Standard, Castle supported repeal and actually co-sponsored a bill to do just that in the House.

Posted by: RINO lurker at November 05, 2010 02:40 PM (RLMa/)
Thanks for the information, that I must have heard incorrectly. Since I'm 3200 miles from Delaware, it probably only cost Castle 20 percent in the Primary. I won't make that statement in future.

Posted by: Oldcat at November 05, 2010 02:43 PM (z1N6a)

589 #578 talking like a liberal: I can dish it out, but you can't dish it back! Thanks for giving another confirmation.

Posted by: LAI at November 05, 2010 02:43 PM (R4ub4)

590 They had no reason to vet her because she had even less of a chance beating Bidenthan she did Coons- she lost that race by 30 points (with such a stellar record, it's no wonder she ran again!). She was just a placeholder on the ballot who won the primary unopposed.
But hey- she improved from losing by 30 points to losing by 17. Maybe if she keeps up her perpetual candidate routine she'll onlycome 6 points behindby 2022 or so. Sure beats getting an actual job.

Posted by: Hollowpoint
More bullshit. So the state GOP shouldn't do any vetting or give someone exposure as long as they are sacrifical lambs? So your standard (rationalization more like) is that the state parties should provide less prep work than the Christians got before they met the lions?

Posted by: Blue Hen at November 05, 2010 02:43 PM (R2fpr)

591 590 the 11th commandment, don't speak ill of other republicans. The smart guys broke that rule way too much with COD.
Posted by: joeindc44 at November 05, 2010 02:41 PM (QxSug)

Does that also apply to Mark Levin attacking Chris Christie for not being a "true conservative"?

Posted by: RINO lurker at November 05, 2010 02:43 PM (RLMa/)

592 Posted by: Matt X at November 05, 2010 02:41 PM (kcNAu)
Uh, yea.the fourth production was just as boring as the third production and the second production. Are you going to cut and paste all day?

Add some color or something.

Posted by: Mallamutt at November 05, 2010 02:44 PM (OWjjx)

593 The reason that I'm posting Castle's voting record is that Ace and his parrot are doing this "I'm more logical than thee" thing when they sneer at people who supported O'Donnel at Castle. It's fun to watch them do that with Castle's liberal voting record posted for all to see. Yeah, I'd vote for the "bimbo" with "no impressive accomplishements" who is a "witch" over this guy:
Here it is again:
Voted YES on TARPVoted YES on Cap and TradeVoted YES on Cash for ClunkersVoted YES on the auto bailoutVoted YES on bailing out Fannie and FreddieVoted YES on SCHIP (w/ tax increase)Voted YES to increase taxes on oil and gas companiesVoted YES to increase the minimum wageVoted NO to open up ANWRVoted YES on the pork-infested 2005 Highway billVoted NO to restrict eminent domain abuseVoted YES to increase funding for PBSVoted YES on the Medicare drug benefitVoted YES on No Child Left BehindVoted YES on McCain-FeingoldVoted NO to end milk subsidiesVoted NO on waiving Davis-Bacon labor rules

Posted by: Matt X at November 05, 2010 02:44 PM (kcNAu)

594 Ace wants to tell you that a politician in Castle who opposed repeal of Obamacare and had the folllowing voting record was better than voting for O'Donnel, whatever her flaws:
So he was a RINO traitor for supporting the policies of the then-Republican President?
A vote for O'Donnell in the primary was a vote for Coons. It's that simple.

Posted by: Hollowpoint at November 05, 2010 02:44 PM (plsiE)

595 Democrats Reg. voters in Delaware: 46.5%
Republican Reg. voters in Delaware: 30.2%
Others Reg. voters in Delaware: 23.3%

Coons vote percentage: 56.6%
O'Donnell's vote percentage: 40%

Both Coons and O'Donnell beat their Registered voters' percentage by 10 percent.

Conclusion: O'Donnell did as well as any Republican could be expected. Rove's urination at her coronation did not help.

Posted by: MaxMBJ at November 05, 2010 02:45 PM (90bLF)

596 Drew, taken cumulatively, your comments, and those of Ace towards the commenters here are personally nasty. The tone is seriously accusatory, as if the Moron Nation here had personally somehow figured out a way to vote for COD, then came back here and said suck it hard AoS, we've thwarted your preferred pick.

I don't get it, this place is fairly right leaning without being an echo chamber, and in the primaries given the choice of a hard left republican, and to the community here, a relatively unknown, out of state republican that at least was mouthing most of the values I think we all wanted to hear. When Castle lost to her in the primary, what exactly is it we should have done? Cheered for Coons?

And then to get another post, after the one you put up, that's basically a fuck you, you ignorant assholes, after that 1500 plus non-stop bloodbath? You can't really sit there and say this is honest debate. Snark's one thing, the crap being slung here is another.


Posted by: Unclefacts, Summoner of Meteors, Pudding Dipper Extraodinaire at November 05, 2010 02:45 PM (eCAn3)

597 Christine, Sharaon and Linda all lost. What do they have in common. They are all women and they are all, as far as the rovian types are concerned, unpredictable. They could not be controlled by the party. You could not predict how they might "behave" in office....so they were the enemies of their own party. And now the same thing is happening to Renee. The man assaulted a kid on camera and the clam thoughtful renee won, but no, they suddenly found votes, again. What did she tell the party she would not be controlled and so she has to go down now too?

Posted by: curious at November 05, 2010 02:45 PM (p302b)

598 Does that also apply to Mark Levin attacking Chris Christie for not being a "true conservative"?

I thought Levin was dead to Ace. BTW, why can't you be as reasonable as folks at Patterico, who was directly attacked by Levin? Why the bitterness?

Posted by: LAI at November 05, 2010 02:45 PM (R4ub4)

599 Hi Matt X! Care to guess how Christine O'Donnell will vote on those issues? Oh, right, she won't be voted because she can't get fucking elected. I forgot. Damn that Karl Rove and his intense mindhold over a majority of Delaware voters!

Posted by: radar at November 05, 2010 02:45 PM (sWEaY)

600 Fall 2008 Pundit: You must support the RINO in the general election. You don't want a democrat elected do you? The time for choosing your candidate is in the primary so let's put all that behind us and move forward with what we have.

Fall 2010 Pundit: You must support the RINO in the primary. You don't want a democrat elected do you?

Posted by: pitythefool at November 05, 2010 02:46 PM (BjQSh)

601 Posted by: curious at November 05, 2010 02:40 PM (p302b)
I have no idea if it is true or not. And it is now largely irrelevant. I just object, from both sides, false arguments. The Castle would not have voted to repeal Obamacare is just as a false an argument as the Rove criticism had no impact argument.

Your entitled to your own opinion, just not your own facts

Posted by: Mallamutt at November 05, 2010 02:46 PM (OWjjx)

602 Hey, Scatt-X.
Enough already. You are out of ammo. We get it.

Posted by: garrett at November 05, 2010 02:46 PM (LrfiV)

603 Oh I just noticed this...this website made a HUGE deal out of defunding PBS after the liberal Juan Williams was fired. Castle supported more funding for PBS! Maybe that will give them some doubts about Castle now? Teh heh.

Posted by: Matt X at November 05, 2010 02:47 PM (kcNAu)

604 Posted by: MaxMBJ at November 05, 2010 02:45 PM (90bLF)

And now Karl Rove has set his sights on Sarah Palin.

Posted by: curious at November 05, 2010 02:47 PM (p302b)

605 Posted by: Matt X at November 05, 2010 02:44 PM (kcNAu)
Hi Pam!

Posted by: Mallamutt at November 05, 2010 02:47 PM (OWjjx)

606 So in other words, national political blogs can't write about anything unless they are in that state?

That's how you think this works?

BTW-if
that's the rule, call the Tea Party Express people out in Sacramento
and tell them they fucked things up by getting involved in Delaware.


Posted by: DrewM. at November 05, 2010 02:39 PM (HicGG)
I didn't say any such thing, but you shouldn't be shocked that your readers don't agree with being blamed for things they had no involvement with.

Posted by: Oldcat at November 05, 2010 02:47 PM (z1N6a)

607 MattX:

Thanks for compiling Castle's voting record. Fortunately, for Ace, Drew, Karl, et al, we still have this man in office. His name, however, has changed to Coons.

Posted by: MaxMBJ at November 05, 2010 02:48 PM (90bLF)

608 You know who I guarantee you won't vote to repeal Obamacare? Chris Coons.

But yeah, Christine O'Donnell was a fucking awesome candidate who really impressed a lot of people that don't spend all their time commenting on blogs.

Posted by: radar at November 05, 2010 02:49 PM (sWEaY)

609 @ 564 -- Seems O'Donnell won't be voting on anything at all, now, will she? Do you suppose Coons will be calling her up for guidance?

See ... funny thing about having a RINO at the other end of the line when you call a Senate office. You may not get him on TARP or Cap n' Trade or Cash for Clunkers, but you might. And, then when it comes time to vote for a Supreme Court justice, or any other nominee, you may not get his vote, but you might.

But, when you get Chris Coons on the other end of the line, he laughs in your face, tells you to go to hell, hangs up on you, and then has a big laugh with his staff about the dumbass who just called him.

Posted by: Walt Gilbert at November 05, 2010 02:49 PM (PmZ9N)

610 UnknownJane:
So please, don't get mad a people who post threads that attempt to do
some damage control before the O'Donnell blame train gets really rolling<<<

Damage control? That's what you think this is? Funny, I see it more as, "You're fuckin' stupid and let me tell you why. No, I'm not going to tell you why, 'cause you're too fuckin' stupid."

Posted by: Kerry at November 05, 2010 02:49 PM (a/VXa)

611 Posted by: Mallamutt at November 05, 2010 02:46 PM (OWjjx)

I'm a Sarah Palin fan. I've never been a Karl Rove fan. When Karl attacks Sarah, a she mentioned it herself on air, I choose Sarah's side and want Karl to go down. A lot of us quiet women will choose Sarah, not Karl.

Posted by: curious at November 05, 2010 02:50 PM (p302b)

612 Radar, so we should vote for the liberal Mike Caste in the primary because, who knows, maybe O'Donnel may be just as leftwing if she is elected? That kind of logic by voters definitely would help liberals stay in power.

Posted by: Matt X at November 05, 2010 02:50 PM (kcNAu)

613 Hey Levin is Levin. He's not an actual power holder within the RNC or RNSC, right?

I think too many people on the right wanted to be cool by kneejerk jumping on COD for dum dum statements. Hey, she is what she is, why not accentuate the postitive? attack the fuck out of the smug left?

Posted by: joeindc44 at November 05, 2010 02:50 PM (QxSug)

614 When I hear NY residents ace and DrewM continually hash out how bad a
candidate ODonnell was all I can think of is the NY racefor governor.
Kudos gentlemen.

How does this not COMPLETELY PROVE THEIR POINT? In a world where Carl Paladino isn't fucking self-destructing at the top of the ticket, Randy Altschuler beats Tim Bishop out on Long Island (instead he lost by 1%), Bill Owens goes down in NY-23, Dan Donovan wins the AG's office and Wilson pulls out State Comptroller. Paladino's implosion royally fucked over the NY GOP, and it's actually a miracle -- a motherfucking miracle -- that we managed to take 5 seats this year.

Posted by: Jeff B. at November 05, 2010 02:50 PM (NjYDy)

615 A vote for O'Donnell in the primary was a vote for Coons. It's that simple.

Posted by: Hollowpoint at November 05, 2010 02:44 PM (plsiE)

Even simpler vote for COD was a vote against Castle.

Posted by: Rocks at November 05, 2010 02:51 PM (Q1lie)

616 Oh I just noticed this THAT I KEEP REPOSTING THE SAME THING NO MATTER HOW FUCKING ANNOYING IT IS CAUSE I ASSUME EVERYONE IS AS GOD DAMN DUMB AS I AM AND I NEED TO BE TOLD 5 OR 6 TIMES A DAY THAT IF I EAT CHEETOS AND MASTURBATE MY GOD DAMN DICK IS GOING TO TURN ORANGE.
Fify Matt X.

Posted by: Mallamutt at November 05, 2010 02:51 PM (OWjjx)

617 572: Castle has to run on his record and his future voting intentions. Run hard and make people believe you want to be Senator. I don't blame COD for anything, she has a right to sign up (Alvin Greene) and run. She did and she won the primary. Not her fault.
If the GOP would run half as hard as the Tea Party they would have 290 house seats and 67 senators.

Posted by: lorenU at November 05, 2010 02:52 PM (ZMeaC)

618 call the Tea Party Express people out in Sacramento and tell them they fucked things up by getting involved in Delaware.


Posted by: DrewM. at November 05, 2010 02:39 PM (HicGG)

Keep on slagging everyone outside the establishment. You're bound to get that invite to David Frum's party someday.
Try wearing this. It might just be the edge you need.

Posted by: Mob at November 05, 2010 02:52 PM (mefTt)

619 Coons is for extending Bush tax cut now. We will have to wait and see whether he actually meant it. BTW, war can be comforted that Coons is not that far away from Castle.

Posted by: LAI at November 05, 2010 02:52 PM (R4ub4)

620 So Rossi loses by MORE then 2.5%, is half way across the country, isn't even a conservative or a tea party canidate, and who probably dissed Odonnell if the topic ever came up lost because of Odonnell? But the republican establishment, money, Rove, and a lack of Castle endorsment had little effect in the state of Delaware? Hmmmmmm.
You realise this is redicule worthy.

Posted by: Keven at November 05, 2010 02:53 PM (yO+uQ)

621 Posted by: Jeff B. at November 05, 2010 02:50 PM (NjYDy)

are there any republicans in New York, any?

Posted by: curious at November 05, 2010 02:53 PM (p302b)

622 More bullshit. So the state GOP shouldn't do any vetting or give someone exposure as long as they are sacrifical lambs? So your standard (rationalization more like) is that the state parties should provide less prep work than the Christians got before they met the lions?
She was doing them a favor just by agreeing to be on the ballot in 2008. She was on the ballot because nobody else even bothered to run in the primary-everyone knew it was a lost cause that year no matter who ran. Had Alvin Greene learned to mouth conservative talking points and moved to Delaware, he just as easily might have been on the ballot instead.
That's far, far different than Palin and the TPE coming in from out of state with very high profile support and money to get the unelectable O'Donnell nominated over a very electable Castle without bothering to first vet O'Donnell.
In 2008the choice of candidate was almost completely irrelevant. This election? Not so much.

Posted by: Hollowpoint at November 05, 2010 02:53 PM (plsiE)

623 Many people here seem to be getting upset due to the party/ideology issue, when this is a personal thing. This isn't about can a true conservative win or a Tea Party canidate -- this is about a screwy scrunt who likes to scam people not winning and then turning around and saying anything to keep her damn cult of personality going. It is a shame no better canidate couldn't have been found -- DE has time to look for that canidate; hopefully they find him/her and put that damn commie out of office.
But as for O'Donnell: in short, you fell for exactly what the media baited you wint: Christine as a sort of Palin mini-me, a figurehead for purity conservatism and the Tea Party, and Christine, being a penultimate grifter, played it up. You supported a corrupt broad who could care less about you, but says pretty things and presents a pleasing visage of the cameras -- and now she's going to keep burning you, and you are still defending her (for some of you men, this should sound familiar -- you should have figured it out).
Stop. She never was, and she needs to stop being, a figurehead for those movements. Stop taking criticisms of her as personal attacks on your ideology -- you are doing exactly what the left wants you to do, and exactly what that loopy con artist wants you to do.

Posted by: unknown jane at November 05, 2010 02:53 PM (5/yRG)

624 As I see it the liberal Republican establishment has to come down one way or another.

COD was a nightmare, but raises valid points.

Don't think the establishment is not plotting to purge the party of conservatives.

Why can't we address the issues she is raising rather than continuously tear her down?

Karl Rove's behavior was reprehensible.

Posted by: Valiant at November 05, 2010 02:53 PM (UKSRV)

625 I can't believe anyone is supporting this self-absorbed, accomplishment-free COD. She is all about Christine, always has been. This issue is NOT about the Tea Party, not about "true" conservatives vs. "RINOs" or ideology. It is about vetting candidates properly and putting up your best one who will not only champion conservative principles in legislature, but one who will advance the cause of conservatism in other places as well, and put a competent, trustworthy face to conservatism. COD was a horrible candidate with all kinds of personal issues, not the least of which is a huge case of narcissism, and worst of ALL - NO ACCOMPLISHMENTS. Why are we even discussing this person? Let me repeat - she has NO ACCOMPLISHMENTS. None. Nada. Zero. Why should anyone vote for her? Marco Rubio has a track record of accomplishments, Pat Toomey has a record of accomplishments. Even Sharron Angle, as goofy as she seemed to many people, had a solid track record of accomplishments that proved she could and would work hard and effectively to further the conservative agenda, regardless of whether you thought she could win or not. COD has none - she has personal baggage and a lot of conservative-sounding talk - that's it. I blame Sarah Palin and Mark Levin (to name just two) who should have known better than to give their endorsement to a such an poor candidate like COD that is just going to do more and more damage to the conservative, and "Tea Party" brand as time goes on, unless she's shut up.

Posted by: DocJ at November 05, 2010 02:53 PM (ACoO/)

626 If the GOP would run half as hard as the Tea Party they would have 290 house seats and 67 senators.
Good point. We won despite their half-hearted effort.

Posted by: LAI at November 05, 2010 02:54 PM (R4ub4)

627 O'Donnel has freedom of speech. I don't see why people act like she "has to go away" after she lost. She doesn't have to a damn thing you say. If she wants to criticize the political pundits on "our side" for trying to hurt her campaign, I think that's a legit complaint and to call it "whining" is just to let us know were a Castle supporter.
This website wanted her to lose....let's face reality. It was about them being "right", as they see it, not winning the seat with the person that won the primary.

Posted by: Matt X at November 05, 2010 02:54 PM (kcNAu)

628 Ace, you can argue that CO'D was a bad apple of a candidate, and that Mike Castle would have been better. I'm not arguing with you here. And I realize that you are bringing it up now with the intention of avoiding similar mistakes in 2012.

The thing is, the choice was the Denver GOP voters' choice to make, not yours nor mine. My position has always been that I support the GOP primary winner if I can find anything at all to support, and otherwise I keep my mouth shut.

I guess you are feeling remorse at having thrown so much support behind what was never a viable candidacy, and don't want to repeat such an error. Anyone betting on a losing horse or football team can empathize.

Ultimately, however, the fault lies with the GOP's not encouraging candidates who reliably support its platform.

Regardless of whether one feels that having Mike Castle in the Senate would be better than Chris Coons' being there, there is no doubt that Castle was a thoroughly distasteful candidate for anyone supporting the GOP platform. Or at least Delaware's GOP voters felt that way, essentially choosing the ABC (Anyone But Castle) candidate whose positions comported with the platform.

Honestly, if I had been voting in that primary, I would have made the same choice, because while I am perfectly willing to be pragmatic, I would never want to have any part of installing another Lowell Weicker or Jim Jeffords to be another GOP turd in the punchbowl. At the end of the day, the GOP has to stand for something.

Posted by: Otis Criblecoblis at November 05, 2010 02:54 PM (fjoLg)

629 Hey, War, last I checked, you want to run us down for COD BUT you don't like it if we talk about how YOUR alternative had a democrat voting record.

IF you dislike COD so much... y'know, maybe you should have given us an alternative that voted more conservatively than Castle?

Posted by: Abdominal Snowman at November 05, 2010 02:54 PM (1Bu4F)

630 Blue Hen,
You south of the canal?

Posted by: kidney at November 05, 2010 02:54 PM (ENRGu)

631 #604Well said.

Posted by: blindside at November 05, 2010 02:55 PM (x7g7t)

632 are there any republicans in New York, any?


Posted by: curious at November 05, 2010 02:53 PM (p302b)

Yeah, there's enough that the candidate I volunteered for Buerkel looks to be winning NY-25 over an obama loving Maffei.

Posted by: Unclefacts, Summoner of Meteors, Pudding Dipper Extraodinaire at November 05, 2010 02:55 PM (eCAn3)

633 No, Matt, I'm saying that a good conservative probably isn't getting elected in Delaware because it's a Dem state. And a dimwitted conservative with a resume that *I* would be embarrassed to own stands no chance in fucking hell of getting elected.

Posted by: radar at November 05, 2010 02:55 PM (sWEaY)

634 Oh I just noticed this THAT I KEEP REPOSTING THE SAME THING NO MATTER HOW FUCKING ANNOYING IT IS CAUSE I ASSUME EVERYONE IS AS GOD DAMN DUMB AS I AM AND I NEED TO BE TOLD 5 OR 6 TIMES A DAY THAT IF I EAT CHEETOS AND MASTURBATE MY GOD DAMN DICK IS GOING TO TURN ORANGE.
SeeMatt, the second time you do it in bold fonts, it really looks better

Posted by: Mallamutt at November 05, 2010 02:55 PM (OWjjx)

635 I'm also not as ashamed as perhaps I should be to
have backed someone without the full resume I'd like in a Senator.
After Bobby the Klan Kleagle Byrd, Ted the Killer Kennedy, "Guam
capsizing if we put a military base there" (forget the name), Obama the
community organizer who couldn't even get the asbestos out of a housing
complex, but who always got promoted upward, I'm beyond caring. Our
most embarrassing losers are more qualified than their most respected
elder statesman.


Posted by: Dave R. at November 05, 2010 02:40 PM (bFdGg)
^^^This

Posted by: cthulhu at November 05, 2010 02:55 PM (/0IOT)

636 call the Tea Party Express people out in Sacramento and tell them they fucked things up by getting involved in Delaware.

Posted by: DrewM. at November 05, 2010 02:39 PM (HicGG)

And would I also have fucked things up by supporting Bielat?

Posted by: Oldcat at November 05, 2010 02:55 PM (z1N6a)

637
I think the people like Castle should shut up because the gave us the debacles of 2006 and 2008. Without Palin, the Reps were still trying to work with Obama on reforming health care! Without the Tea Party, again I am not sure we would take the house.

Posted by: LAI at November 05, 2010 02:56 PM (R4ub4)

638 @unknown jane -

You are taking the thoughts right out of my head. You say it better than I do - thanks! I only hope enough people with the means wake up to this and usher this skank to stage right as soon as humanly possible.

Posted by: DocJ at November 05, 2010 02:56 PM (ACoO/)

639 See ... funny thing about having a RINO at the other end of the line when you call a Senate office. You may not get him on TARP or Cap n' Trade or Cash for Clunkers, but you might. And, then when it comes time to vote for a Supreme Court justice, or any other nominee, you may not get his vote, but you might.
Posted by: Walt Gilbert
Funny thing about having a Republican cheering on cap and trade the day before a Republican primary. They tend to not be the winner of the primary.

Posted by: Blue Hen at November 05, 2010 02:56 PM (R2fpr)

640 Honestly, if I had been voting in that primary, I
would have made the same choice, because while I am perfectly willing
to be pragmatic, I would never want to have any part of installing
another Lowell Weicker or Jim Jeffords to be another GOP turd in the
punchbowl. At the end of the day, the GOP has to stand for something.

Posted by: Otis Criblecoblis at November 05, 2010 02:54 PM (fjoLg)
It does stand for something: Being in power. The GOP itself doesn't give a shit about anything else.

Posted by: blindside at November 05, 2010 02:56 PM (x7g7t)

641 Ace, you really need to let this go.

The GOP ran a woman who exported embargo'd tech to Iran and a wrestling promoter for the US Senate.

They're supporting a corrupt dynastic holdover i Alaska, who can't even make up her mind whether she'll caucus with them if she gets back in.

They ran a man who VOTE FOR CAT for the Senate in Illinois.

Christine O'Donnell

Posted by: airline passengers at November 05, 2010 02:57 PM (R2TIC)

642 Posted by: Oldcat at November 05, 2010 02:47 PM (z1N6a)

I don't think anyone is blaming people here for O'Donnell's defeat specifically. It's the broader issues that are in play we are talking about.The debate is that some people subscribe to a theory and strategy that O'Donnell and candidates like her are good for conservatives. Others disagree.

Since conservatism is a national movement and people can contribute in various ways across state lines, it's very appropriate to have a debate like this.

If you don't have a dog in this fight, don't think any of it is directed at you...it's not.

Posted by: DrewM. at November 05, 2010 02:57 PM (HicGG)

643 Blue Hen, You south of the canal?
Posted by: kidney

North of it; Brandywine hundred. I've been a lucky recipent of Coons' tax policies.

Posted by: Blue Hen at November 05, 2010 02:58 PM (R2fpr)

644 And don't call me a jackass again.

For the record, MCPO Airdale you are an incredible jackass. You're also pretty goddamn stupid, but that's only mildly related.

You're also not a real conservative, I might point out. Fucking phony.

Posted by: Jeff B. at November 05, 2010 02:58 PM (NjYDy)

645 616 That's why this needs to stop.
You're allowing a stupid CANIDATE (not you, not conservatism, or the tea party -- stupid canidate) to tear shit up (and smear you by association on the outside).
Quit defending her or excusing her -- figure out ways to disengage from her and take her down; she will shortly become more of an enemy to the cause than people like Coons...because she will try to worm her way more into the middle of things.
Don't be suprised if she doesn't take money from some Democratic group -- it would be worth checking into.

Posted by: unknown jane at November 05, 2010 02:59 PM (5/yRG)

646 Oldcat, don't put away your sword so quickly. While Castle indeed voted against Obamacare, he receives an F from the NRA, he's pro-choice and from the independent gold standard of conservative rating, the American Conservative Rating, gave him a 52% life time average after being in congress nearly 20 years. And the club for growth, 43% in 2009, and 35% 26% respectively for 07 and 08.
Also the venerable Mr. Castle, in every year, had the most liberal voting record of the 175 + Republican caucus. And guess what? In 2008 when Castle received his 26% rating from the Club For Growth, he was beaten by Arlen Specterwho received a 44% rating. Wow, even beaten by Arlen Specter. Ace and Drew probably wouldn't take the time to underscore this though would they? Maybe they did and I missed it between all of the pudding stuff.
Bottom line, the house was phase I and the RNC was provided a simple message, a message underwritten by the Tea Party and 63 new Conservate Republicans in the house and over 600 now in state houses and local government across the land.
Time to think big picture - Ace, et al - put away the bifocals. Becasue, it's game on as we've run out of innings.

Posted by: journolist at November 05, 2010 02:59 PM (O/NP5)

647 Every assholian argument here against O'Donnell rams up against one giant rock in the seashore: O'Donnell was the winner of the primary. From that moment forward that choice was between her and Coons. You don't like the options, fine, but anyone with half a brain knows you vote for the one closest to your views and I seriously question whether anyone here thinks Coons represents their views better than O'Donnell.

So quit bitching. O'Donnell lost. Stop throwing a tantrum on her grave.

Posted by: MaxMBJ at November 05, 2010 02:59 PM (90bLF)

648 Stop. She never was, and she needs to stop
being, a figurehead for those movements. Stop taking criticisms of her
as personal attacks on your ideology -- you are doing exactly what the
left wants you to do, and exactly what that loopy con artist wants you
to do.

Posted by: unknown jane at November 05, 2010 02:53 PM (5/yRG)
No need to blow COD out of proportion. She was one of two options and was supported by some people. She unexpectedly won the primary, and deserved better than she got from her side and the other side.

Posted by: Oldcat at November 05, 2010 02:59 PM (z1N6a)

649 WALTER GILBERT WROTE:::::::See ... funny thing about having a RINO at the other end of the line when you call a Senate office. You may not get him on TARP or Cap n' Trade or Cash for Clunkers, but you might. And, then when it comes time to vote for a Supreme Court justice, or any other nominee, you may not get his vote, but you might.


Yeah, and on that never-ending thread of defection, you wind up having to fucking kow-tow to the traitorous bastard all the time. You have to throw liberal sops into legislation, you have to give these assholes pork and committee chairmanships, all to keep them on the reservation
The principled Republicans aren't a risk of defecting, because their believes prevent them from voting for cap and tax or for an unreconstructed socialist for the Supreme Court. But guys like Castle "might" vote for your position. They probably won't, but they might. Oh, but the cost... the awful cost.

Fuck you guys. I'm done here. Congratulations: I'm now absolutely convinced that the Republicans will self destruct spectacularly, because there is an enormous political consultant class that values the process of filling a seat with an "R" more than they value actually getting "R" policies moved.
Its very similar to the mortgage mess. Once the "product" in mortgage lending became bundles of "whatever" to slice and dice into bonds, the quality of the mortgages no longer mattered. Now, it seems that the product that our esteemed bloggers care about is merely the numerical majority without a care as to how we get there, and the politicians, like the mortgages, get overlooked in terms of quality.

Posted by: GonjaGonzOhWhyCantIEverRememberMyScreenName at November 05, 2010 02:59 PM (nTd0a)

650 @635 okay, I have no idea how "Delaware" became "Denver." I picked a great week to start sniffing glue.

Posted by: Otis Criblecoblis at November 05, 2010 03:00 PM (fjoLg)

651
I hate to keep saying it but I have to: Everyone loves democracy, until their candidate doesn't win. Then the voters are stupid, outside influences evil, and the system corrupt.

Everybody needs take their wins and their lumps and move on.

Posted by: toby928 at November 05, 2010 03:00 PM (S5YRY)

652
Yes, the electorate seems to really demand intelligence in their Senators:
Yet in an interview with the Detroit News Monday, Senator Debbie Stabenow (D., Mich.) - recently appointed to the Senate Energy Committee - made clear that fighting the climate crisis is her top priority.
"Climate change is very real," she confessed as she embraced cap and trade's massive tax increase on Michigan industry - at the same time claiming, against all the evidence, that it would not lead to an increase in manufacturing costs or energy prices. "Global warming creates volatility. I feel it when I'm flying. The storms are more volatile. We are paying the price in more hurricanes and tornadoes."

Posted by: OCBill at November 05, 2010 03:00 PM (YJvVE)

653 Radar,
It will always be a DE state if you never run a conservative. Running a Castle doesn't helpeven if he wins, and I don't think he does. O'Donnel obviously was not perfect, but she did advocate conservative positions, and I don't think she's quite as stupid as Ace and his clone want us to believe. We've all said and done stupid shit in the past, except me.

Posted by: Matt X at November 05, 2010 03:00 PM (kcNAu)

654 Hate to say it, but in this thread O'Donnell supporters have destroyed her detractors.

Utter destruction.

Next time, Ace, try logic instead of projectionism. It's a handy tool for debate.

Posted by: MaxMBJ at November 05, 2010 03:01 PM (90bLF)

655 North of it; Brandywine hundred. I've been a lucky recipent of Coons'
tax policies.

Yeah sorry bout that.Guess if we ever meet, I'll have to buy the beer.

Posted by: kidney at November 05, 2010 03:01 PM (ENRGu)

656 Can we please put this vetting BS to rest please? Urqhart was a very good candidate. He beat the party pick for the House seat and got the very same stats in the general election as COD did. The DE Rs wanted to kick the leadership in the nuts and COD was the only available candidate. Plenty of TEP candidates went down in their primary. It wasn't just cash and exposure that won her the primary.
COD was a protest vote who people supported because she won the primary. I doubt 10% of the people who voted for her in the primary gave her a serious chance of winning the general.

Vetting had nothing to do with it.

You want smarmy asshole RINOs who vote against the party to win the primaries? Make sure they at least put the smarmy, asshole RINOness in check for at least the damn primary. Maybe voting with their party more than 50% of the time would help to.

Posted by: Rocks at November 05, 2010 03:02 PM (Q1lie)

657 Ace, Drew, are your balls clean now, or should I keep licking?

Posted by: Jeff B. at November 05, 2010 03:02 PM (VmtE9)

658 Ace says our "principles elected a bearded Marxist."

What the? Our principles got O'Donnell 40% of the vote. Your principles suppressed it. The onus is on you and Karl Rove and Drew (but nobody listens to him so not so much).

Posted by: MaxMBJ at November 05, 2010 03:02 PM (90bLF)

659 With the base rebelling against the establishment O'Donnell was inevitable.

Posted by: Dr. Spank at November 05, 2010 03:02 PM (Y81Xa)

660 >>Enough already. You are out of ammo. We get it.

Everybody is out of ammo. Nothing is being gained here, no opinions are being changed and nobody is going to offer any proof of how this would or could have turned out differently because there's no way of knowing.

There were 2 shit candidates for the Senate race in DE. People chose early on which shit they could swallow and made their own rationalizations and dug in hard. The only thing playing out in these threads is blood letting and venting and it's getting ugly and boring and people have already said a lot of shit they are going to regret. Taking this forward in the same "I told you so", "No I told you so you fucking idiot" is just going to make it worse.

Let it go. I've been told we won huge the other night.

Posted by: JackStraw at November 05, 2010 03:02 PM (VW9/y)

661 Ace, you really need to let this go.

The GOP ran a woman who exported embargo'd tech to Iran and a wrestling promoter for the US Senate.

They're supporting a corrupt dynastic holdover i Alaska, who can't even make up her mind whether she'll caucus with them if she gets back in.

They ran a man who VOTED FOR C&T for the Senate in Illinois.

THE NRCC is refusing to support a candidate who DID win.

Christine O'Donnell, who was selected by the GOP voters of her state in a legitimate primary election, IS NOT THE GOP'S BIGGEST PROBLEM RIGHT NOW. Yet somehow you've got a bug up your ass the size of a Goliath beetle about this woman.

Is this some kind of weird precedence fight among conservative bloggers? If so, that's about as relevant as precedent among whores or second lieutenanants.

If nothing else, it really suggest you shouldn't tweet at three in the morning.

Let. It. Go.

Posted by: airline passengers at November 05, 2010 03:02 PM (R2TIC)

662 I hope Christine doesn't stop talking. I hope she talks and talks and talks. I hope she makes y'all good and uncomfortable and I hope she's joined by Sharon and renee and meg and any other woman who was not really supported by the republicans...I hope this creates such a problem for you republicans that you almost can't stand it. I'm an independent. I want the two parties shaken to their core. and if not I want a new party or two, cause guess what, we aren't either party. You republicans won cause you were the lesser evil, not because you were the best MAN for the job. You are going to be shocked at how you guys are treated the very first time you do something that those who voted you in don't expect. But y'all go along thinking you are the chosen ones.....

Posted by: curious at November 05, 2010 03:02 PM (p302b)

663 yeah, airline passenger makes good points.

We can't make COD into a global rule. She got SNL'd. If it wasn't for her, Angle would have gotten the treatment, think Abbey Eliot playing her.

We need to do better jobs at all levels, getting new candidates, supporting them, and helping them from getting their races stolen.

Just to recap. Tuesday was historic. We won. The MSM did their best to stop it. They SNL'd O'donnel, just like in 2008, they lifted Slurpee to the heavens, turned on McCain and Palined Palin. In 2006, they made the GOP the party of closeted gay men and George Macacca Allen.

Bottom Line, we've always had the media foist a Christine O'donnel on us.

We need to get over it. We will not win by compromising...in as much as the GOP voters in Delaware did what they thought was best in picking COD over Castle...for whatever reason that was.

So, if the MSM was honest in 2010, and didn't slay COD, we'd be at 100/11 pickups.

If in 2008 they were fair and honest, we'd have president McCain (or actually George Allen).

If, in 2006, the MSM was fair and honest, we'd have never heard of nancy pelosi.

Despite COD, we got 65/6. We won.

Posted by: joeindc44 at November 05, 2010 03:03 PM (QxSug)

664 Oh wait, that's right -- you guys have to keep dredging Mike Castle up because you're too embarrassed to even mention O'Donnell at this point. Christine Who?

OK, you tell me, WHO was your damn dream candidate in the Delaware primary besides O'Donnell and Castle? You've _got_ to have one, when you keep saying that Castle's record isn't important. That race _needed_ a third candidate, but I've never heard one mentioned.

Posted by: Abdominal Snowman at November 05, 2010 03:03 PM (1Bu4F)

665 "some people subscribe to a theory and strategy that O'Donnell and candidates like her are good for conservatives"

Maybe if you weren't lying on your belly licking Castle's boots, the point wouldn't have flown so far over your head.

Posted by: Mob at November 05, 2010 03:03 PM (mefTt)

666 Finally, some other people are starting to notice that Ace blames O'Donnel for the Senate losts in Colorado and Washington State. If political pundits could get fired, that's the kind of analysis that should warrant it. It's almost David Brooks "Obama going to be a great president b/c of the sharp crease in his pants" stupid, but, at least, not as as gay.

Posted by: Matt X at November 05, 2010 03:04 PM (kcNAu)

667 O'Donnel has freedom of speech. I don't see why people act like she "has to go away" after she lost.
Because she's dumb, crazy, and an overall embarrassment. She has the right to speak, but the responsibility to shut the fuck up and go away.
Given how much you two have in common, it's no surprise you have such fondness for her.

Posted by: Hollowpoint at November 05, 2010 03:04 PM (plsiE)

668 Posted by: Oldcat at November 05, 2010 02:47 PM (z1N6a)

I
don't think anyone is blaming people here for O'Donnell's defeat
specifically. It's the broader issues that are in play we are talking
about.The debate is that some people subscribe to a theory and strategy
that O'Donnell and candidates like her are good for conservatives.
Others disagree.

Since conservatism is a national movement and
people can contribute in various ways across state lines, it's very
appropriate to have a debate like this.If you don't have a dog in this fight, don't think any of it is directed at you...it's not.

Posted by: DrewM. at November 05, 2010 02:57 PM (HicGG)
Well than phrases like "SEE WHAT YOU DO WHEN YOU DON'T VET CANDIDATES" might tend to subvert your general argument.And if you are talking broader issues, you might be able to come up with one other race in the entire frickin' nation to beat me up on rather than this pathetic one.

Posted by: Oldcat at November 05, 2010 03:04 PM (z1N6a)

669 Vanity Fair editor and Ace et al. agree on something.

Posted by: andycanuck at November 05, 2010 03:04 PM (eQPq+)

670 blindside wrote:
647 "At the end of the day, the GOP has to stand for something."
It does stand for something: Being in power. The GOP itself doesn't give a shit about anything else.

Yes, I considered adding "more than simply having the majority," but it seemed self-evident that this was my meaning.

Posted by: Otis Criblecoblis at November 05, 2010 03:04 PM (fjoLg)

671 They are probably just trying to jack up traffic on their website and make another Hotair headline. Teh heh.
I thought Republicans won the election in a landslide until i took a gander at this fine website. Apparently Delaware was all that mattered.

Posted by: Matt X at November 05, 2010 03:07 PM (kcNAu)

672 Ace, we've been hard on you but we still love you. But we're worried, very worried. You won't pull a Charles Johnson on us, will you?

I'm kidding! I'm kidding!

Posted by: MaxMBJ at November 05, 2010 03:07 PM (90bLF)

673
616 That's why this needs to stop.

You're allowing a stupid CANIDATE (not you, not conservatism, or the
tea party -- stupid canidate) to tear shit up (and smear you by
association on the outside).

Quit defending her or excusing her -- figure out ways to disengage
from her and take her down; she will shortly become more of an enemy to
the cause than people like Coons...because she will try to worm her way
more into the middle of things.

Don't be suprised if she doesn't take money from some Democratic group -- it would be worth checking into.

Posted by: unknown jane at November 05, 2010 02:59 PM (5/yRG)

jesus THIS. This country, and I think most of us had a major victory last tuesday in this fight against liberalism/progressives in the country and we're spending far more time slinging shit and recriminations over ONE lousy candidate in a deeply blue state. Let me ask you all this, what if Scott Brown had lost, and dead ted's seat had gone democrat? Would we have two days of vicious rancor as well? We oughta be keeping our eyes on the next fight people, it's only two years away, THAT'S when we're going to do some serious damage to the senate. Anyone that thinks/thought that this election the senate was a lock, or should have been 10 instead of 6 seats isn't being honest with themselves. Please for the love of christ stop the infighting here, and spend that energy defeating the lefttards.

Posted by: Unclefacts, Summoner of Meteors, Pudding Dipper Extraodinaire at November 05, 2010 03:07 PM (eCAn3)

674 @665
O'Donnell won largely with the support of the likes of Sarah Palin and Mark Levin. You can't tell me she would have won if they hadn't come out big in support of her. This wasn't a throw-away protest vote in the primary. A lot of people voted for her not knowing much about her personally or her accomplishments (or lack thereof) because they trusted Levin and Palin's endorsement. COD wasn't even considered a viable primary candidate until Palin swept through and touched her with her magic conservative "Kingmaker" wand.

Posted by: DocJ at November 05, 2010 03:07 PM (ACoO/)

675 If you don't have a dog in this fight, don't think any of it is directed at you...it's not.

Posted by: DrewM. at November 05, 2010 02:57 PM (HicGG)

And my one dog in this fight has always been the breaking of the first rule - don't trash the People's Nominee. As a Red Californian, I have had to do this for virtually my entire life, including this year. I've played the game that you say I should play.

Now you should play it too, and should have during the election.

Posted by: Oldcat at November 05, 2010 03:09 PM (z1N6a)

676 I wonder who the crybabies in this really are, I think she has the right to be as vindictive and whiny as the idiots who cried when Castle lost, the establishment republicans and similar morons. You guys don't get it, Castle would have lost and if it was close, a bag of votes would have appeared for the Democrats. I mean what she said was true, from day one the little limpwristed fuckwads were on!

Ace and Drew, still love you guys, we will get through this addiction you seem to have with Christine!

Posted by: Africanus at November 05, 2010 03:09 PM (EXBj+)

677 Ace, Drew, are your balls clean now, or should I keep licking?
While I agree with the sentiment, it's not cool to sock someone with their exact handle. And congratulations on getting 666.

Posted by: andycanuck at November 05, 2010 03:09 PM (eQPq+)

678 You're also not a real conservative, I might point out. Fucking phony.


Posted by: Jeff B. at November 05, 2010 02:58 PM (NjYDy)

Damn right. A TRUE conservative dumps their principles in a heartbeat to get a win. Winning a seat is so much more important than moving the country to the right.And who knows, if you sniff enough RINO jock, Jeff B., someday maybe they'll say something other than, "Hey, can a bum a cig?" to you.

Posted by: Mob at November 05, 2010 03:10 PM (mefTt)

679 If people in Washington State had a problem with stupid people, why did they re-elected what's her face, Patty Murry. You don't get less intelligent than that. I think the "O'Donnel cost the Republican in Washington state" thesis advanced by our hero Ace breaks down quick if you look at who they voted for.

Posted by: Matt X at November 05, 2010 03:10 PM (kcNAu)

680 So Delaware's a Dem state only because they aren't familiar enough with conservatism and because they're used to rinos? Did you start drinking a bit early today?

Posted by: radar at November 05, 2010 03:11 PM (sWEaY)

681 Fuck you, Ace.

Posted by: Dick at November 05, 2010 03:11 PM (ZpV3b)

682 "We've had to listen to the O'Donnellistas bitching and crying about how everybody from Karl Rove to Krauthammer to Ace and Drew themselves are personally responsible for torpedoing her. Chrissy was the perfect grassroots conservative; none of her general idiocy and ineptitude was actually her fault.
Why the fuck isn't it therefore fair enough to turn it around and suppose that her public asshattery slimed the entire party going into Election Day? 'Cause that's a lot more plausible than "the mean people in the bushes are picking on me".
Posted by: The War Between the Undead States at November 05, 2010 02:38 PM (XrCW4)"
Really?Because it's not valid to make a complaint that having establishment conservatives trash you. Nope, that's whining and crying. Got it.
And yeah, you're right. At least 3/4ths of the blog said she was "perfect" and "nothing" was her fault. You guys keep beating the shit out of that strawman.
If you think it's plausible to blame the loss of three Senate seats on her, then you're just as fucking wacky as she is. She was the face of the Tea party right? The same tea party that picked up something like 38 seats in the house? You gonna credit her for that too? I mean, you guys better because that's about as strong as your silly assed logic is.
I'm still in the pragmatist camp. I think we should have gone with Castle. Here's the difference with me and the overzealous pragmatists (because there are plenty of them here who are acting just as irrationally as the biggest "O'Donnelistas") - I understand where people are coming from who hold a different opinion on this. They make a lot of very valid points in a very rational manner.
I'm also not one of the bloggers who has a tendency to pick the worst of the arguments and sling shit at everyone from that point.
Ace and Co are starting shit about this and hiding behind the really thin veneer of "honest disagreement". Yeah, Drew began his post: "Come on, you knew this post was coming. It's been a decent interval but let us get it over with and move on." Right there you knew it was gonna go downhill. This is about whippin out the e-peen baby. The analysis of this race isn't hard.
Look in this very thread - post after post after post of great arguments going completely unaddressed, but Drew is sticking with that one from a couple hundred back, bravely calling one dude out man! Fuck yeah! Ace does it too when it comes to this subject. It's irritating and like Kratos (I think) said - it's alienating.
Meh, I'm taking a break from this blog for awhile because of this bullshit.

Posted by: Burn the Witch at November 05, 2010 03:11 PM (fLHQe)

683 No major victory. You left a governorship and two senate seats on the table in NY. You didn't take over BO's precious senate. No one went into Nevada to help a 4 points up sharon angle. (rasmussen is still flummoxed by this poll, it's going to dog him forever)

You think you won, you didn't win. The people are fed up, fed up. They felt the only way towards sanity was not electing a democrat and making their thoughts about obama care clear.

When you guys put up mitt, and you seem to be headed in that direction with your twisted logic, hope you enjoy 4 more years of BO, cause I will vote for him and not mitt and I'm not alone. Cause when you put up Mitt it will be a signal to all of us that you learned nothing and need a harder lesson.

Posted by: curious at November 05, 2010 03:12 PM (p302b)

684 I think he is a litttle Charles Johnson. I think he has a bug up his ass about O'Donnel questioning evolution theory (Creationist!) and her belief that it should be left to local school boards if it's taught in high schools. He would vote for Castle over a "creationist". I posted Castle's record and he didn't want to talk about that.

Posted by: Matt X at November 05, 2010 03:12 PM (kcNAu)

685 @ 646 -- Funny thing about having a Republican cheering on cap and trade the day
before a Republican primary. They tend to not be the winner of the
primary.

Funny thing about nominating a bat-shit crazy flake with no experience beyond losing elections and making stupid statements on TV. They tend to keep on doing what they've always done.

Posted by: Walt Gilbert at November 05, 2010 03:13 PM (PmZ9N)

686 yeah, we won this year despite the bi-annual Palinizing, Maccac-izing, Regan is dumbizing, Quaylizing, gay senator bathstallizing of the media.

COD was this year's lead weight, as chosen by the media. We still won.

The point that if she hadn't had been a lead weight, we'd have won more is irrelevant because it ignores THAT THE LEFTISTS WOULD STILL HAVE DONE THE SAME THING. and we'd never have lost congress either.

sorry for the all caps.

COD, when given the full media probe had issues. We, as a party need to support our side, the left doesn't need us to do their job for them. Lord knows, they won't do ours for us.

Posted by: joeindc44 at November 05, 2010 03:14 PM (QxSug)

687 The real shame about all of this is that the "Good Ol' Boys" network and the institutionalized political parties are doing such a horrible job -- whether or not they're getting the people they want elected. There's nothing about actually addressing the myriad problems we face as a nation, or even effectively putting forth a progressive or conservative political philosophy. Obama's getting criticism from the Lefties for not closing Guantanamo, not going single-payer, not ending DADT.....because he's acting like a standard Chicago politician, focusing on looting his "enemies" and handing out the spoils to his supporters. The fact that he constantly spouts lefty talking points is not because he's passionately committed to anything besides stroking his own ego -- it's that he's an undereducated, overcredentialed, infantilized member of The Ruling Class and can't conceive of anything else.

In the meantime, the GOP is full of Ruling Class'ers of their own who mouth the words "small government" or "personal responsibility" and go right back to picking pockets and paying off their buddies.

Would it have been so hard to poll the 435 House districts, filter out the lifetime voters of either party who'll pull the lever because their parents did, assess how much of a conservative the district might support, identify and vet a candidate at that level of conservatism, and support them with a ground game? Apparently this is impossible to do while on the cocktail party circuit. And, yet, this is what we need. We don't need, "he's a good guy in DE", we need "DE can support a 45, and you're a 30, so we've got a new candidate." Just like we don't need "he's a good guy in UT", we need "UT can support an 85 and you're a 60, so we've got a new candidate."

Posted by: cthulhu at November 05, 2010 03:14 PM (/0IOT)

688 >>> In contradistinction to the long resume of our President.

But anyway, enough is enough. Just like she wanted Castle to pipe down after he lost, it's now her turn.


Posted by: Jaihawkk at November 05, 2010 12:55 PM (A9nQ1) <<<
This sums it up perfectly. She was a crappy candidate. Although preferable to Castle, she needs to STFU now that she lost.

Posted by: holygoat at November 05, 2010 03:15 PM (a8XKd)

689 O'Donnell didn't cost us one seat; she cost us three
Who is this "we" you speak of? O'Donnell won the primary, at that point you either run with the candidate the majority of Republicans selected or you SHUTUP.
Establishment GOPers (the get-along Dem-lites that need to go, already) started actively working against her.
This election the TEA Party and their supporters in and out of the GOP finally got into the public square that this election was about Big v small government. Republicans won because they didn't run AS Republicans but as small-government conservatives.
It was the principles, stupid.
Bending over for the Democrats - who haven't been "liberal" in years - to "pragmatically" win elections has just moved this country Left. Maybe a bit slower, but consistently in the Statist direction.
It.stops.now. O'D wasn't a perfect candidate. But at least Castle won't be there giving Obama and the Democrats a figleaf of "bipartisan compromise" as they continue to shred the Constitution and transform America in just another Euro Socialist Democracy.

Posted by: Darleen Click at November 05, 2010 03:15 PM (jWqwx)

690 Don't you hate that? I find it makes things much simpler to just not have any in the first place.


Posted by: Christine O'Donnell at November 05, 2010 03:12 PM (XrCW4)

Isn't it cathartic to express your true feelings, War? Even when you do it behind a sock?

Posted by: Mob at November 05, 2010 03:15 PM (mefTt)

691 "That was a mistake, not because of what it meant in Delaware (a lost cause without Castle on the ballot) but what it means nationally. O'Donnell was a lousy candidate. She had a sketchy personal story, no record of achievement before coming to the race and no real ability to further the conservative message. We spent a lot of money and time on a candidate that had no shot. If you were a Democrat and wanted to hurt conservatives or the tea party by making someone the face of those groups, you'd pick Christine O'Donnell. The fact that a lot of conservatives willingly did that is simply an unforced error we should not repeat. So, yeah, I think that's an honest disagreement summing up my feelings about what happened and what we should do moving forward. There's nothing insulting there, just simply facts, opinions and analysis. Tell me specifically what in my post was so horrible outside the lines of honest disagreement.
Posted by: DrewM. at November 05, 2010 02:33 PM (HicGG) "
Drew,
How Prescious.
Sure Christine should let things go, YET there is nothing she said that was not true.
My advice to Christine, "Don't worry about your enemies, it's your supposed Friends who will put the knife in your back!"
Christine O'Donnell, lost the election, NOT by what Coon's and friends did, she was savaged by Castle, Bloggers, NSRCC and Establishment Republicans in the Primary, who NOW want to re-write history to wash away their complicity.
This crowd thought they would win a Senate seat, and trashed O'Donnell visciously, while simultaneously ignoring 20+ years of Castle record and telling us/me that Mike Castle was so Conservative that Ronald Reagan was a "pinko" in comparison. Heck, IF Nancy Pelosi were from Delaware AND the NSRCC could have talked her into running for Senate as a Republican, the chattering class would have run out the same script. (Is that unfair? Maybe, but unlikely.)
You can have your Mike Castle, Charlie Crist Arlen Specter.
Christine should let it go, but Drew, don't try to re-write what happened. It's not much different from Pelosi, Reid and Obama not listening and telling us what to do. The Establishment Republicans doing exactly the same.
Regards,



Posted by: the Dragon at November 05, 2010 03:16 PM (gRSqy)

692 Funny thing about having a Republican cheering on cap and trade the day before a Republican primary. They tend to not be the winner of the primary.Funny thing about nominating a bat-shit crazy flake with no experience beyond losing elections and making stupid statements on TV. They tend to keep on doing what they've always done.
Posted by: Walt Gilbert

Then laugh snackpack. I will not. I voted for Castle despite his stupidity. You and Drew and Ace continue to ignore the inconvenient fact that Castle botched the primary. The fact that O'Donnell was a terrible candidate will never be forsaken.

Posted by: Blue Hen at November 05, 2010 03:16 PM (R2fpr)

693 Look in this very thread - post after post after post of great arguments going completely unaddressed, but Drew is sticking with that one from a couple hundred back, bravely calling one dude out man! Fuck yeah! Ace does it too when it comes to this subject. It's irritating and like Kratos (I think) said - it's alienating.
Meh, I'm taking a break from this blog for awhile because of this bullshit.
Posted by: Burn the Witch

Me too. This is wearying.

bye folks.

Posted by: Blue Hen at November 05, 2010 03:18 PM (R2fpr)

694 Posted by: Oldcat at November 05, 2010 03:09 PM (z1N6a)

As I've said countless times, I'd have been happy to ignore O'Donnell but when guys like Limbaugh, Hannity, Palin and Levin start talking her up as being good for conservatism, people who disagree with them have a right to say why.

If she got the Alvin Greene treatment from the movement after the primary, I would have been happy to have ignored her.

Posted by: DrewM. at November 05, 2010 03:18 PM (HicGG)

695 O'Donnel never ran off a bridge while DUI and killed a woman and fleed the scene. She never rode with the KKK. She never lied about soldiers in Vietnam and lied to get medals he did not deserve and a early trip home. She never raped or sexually harrassed anybody. She never had a hatemonger preacher like J. Wright, and terrorist buddies like Bill Ayers.
I'm not quite sure how she got to be Satan in the eyes of some "conservatives". Democrats have won with a lot more real baggage.

Posted by: Matt X at November 05, 2010 03:18 PM (kcNAu)

696 In the Senate, I would much rather have a guy like Coons representing Delaware than Castle.

The
problem with liberal Republicans like Castle is that they have, in the
past, obtained exaggerated influence, money, lobbyist attention, etc. as
the coveted "swing vote" that everyone sucks up to. They're poison for
their own party. In my opinion, better for us to be a minority in the
Senate and suck up to somebody like Manchin.

At the moment, it
does not bother me if this costs us committee chairmanships. That looks
pretty fixable in two years anyway. Right now, it is more important
for the Republicans to convince their base, including very active Tea
Partiers (like my wife), that they realize the times are changing and
they can't coast along as the Democrat Lite party.

Posted by: Michael at November 05, 2010 03:19 PM (l7H1O)

697 Once we can get to 51 senators securely ensconced in the senate from red states, I think we should run as conservative as there is with our candidates in the deep blue states. If they won't elect a conservative no matter what, at least they can have a platform for talking conservative ideals. Some of it may rub off over the decades.

The real argument here is does Coons = Castle. I say yes.

Posted by: Guy Fawkes at November 05, 2010 03:19 PM (JcRgg)

698 Hey Ace, remember when you said on May 26, 2010, about Nikki Haley, after some shmoe said he slept with her, "...you know what? I would start looking for another candidate, if I'm being honest."

Maybe other readers of this blog remember that too. I don't read all the comments on this blog, so it's possible someone else may have already called you on this since Nikki Haley got elected, um, GOVERNOR.

Posted by: kathleen at November 05, 2010 03:19 PM (w1e3d)

699 They ran a man who VOTE FOR CAT for the Senate in Illinois.

And guess what? That guy won. Won a tight race. A race that he won because he got moderate voters in the Collar counties to split their tickets and vote for him while also voting for Pat Quinn. And he'll never, ever, support anything like Cap Trade again. Because it will never come up again, ever.

Tell me now: would you have preferred Senator Alexi Giannoulias in the Obama seat? Really? To SEND A MESSAGE??!?!?!?

Posted by: Jeff B. at November 05, 2010 03:21 PM (NjYDy)

700 I don't think Rush ever claimed she was an ideal candidate, only that everybody has some baggage, and she was a hell of a lot better than Castle on the issues. I vote on the issues. I'm not going to go vote for some tax nazi like Castle simply because he calls himself a Republican and there's no video of him making some gaffe.

Posted by: Matt X at November 05, 2010 03:21 PM (kcNAu)

701 As I've said countless times, I'd have been happy to
ignore O'Donnell but when guys like Limbaugh, Hannity, Palin and Levin
start talking her up as being good for conservatism, people who disagree
with them have a right to say why.If she got the Alvin Greene treatment from the movement after the primary, I would have been happy to have ignored her.

Posted by: DrewM. at November 05, 2010 03:18 PM (HicGG)
Well if that is your standard, you cannot blame the Purity folks for trashing your candidates. Because you have abandoned the justification at your convenience.

Posted by: Oldcat at November 05, 2010 03:23 PM (z1N6a)

702 BS, Ace! Plain, pure, unadulterated BS!

Posted by: apodoca at November 05, 2010 03:25 PM (JCHdz)

703 Ah so you are going to try to get her to "shut up" by making an issue out of her campaign war chest?


Posted by: curious at November 05, 2010 03:25 PM (p302b)

704 Wasn't there an embarrasing picture of Scott Brown in his underwear? I don't remember this website making a big deal out of that. I personally thought the whole "I drive a truck" thing was goofy, and hell, I'm from SC. I think conservatives are more willing to let male candidates slide on their embarrasing moments in the past. But we got to flog O'Donnel and Angle.

Posted by: Matt X at November 05, 2010 03:25 PM (kcNAu)

705 This is something else I've wondered about. This
admitted grifter took in a cool five million bucks for her general
election campaign. Does anyone think she put out a five-million-dollar
effort?


Posted by: The War Between the Undead States at November 05, 2010 03:22 PM (XrCW4)
Too bad that ire couldn't be directed at Democrats, just for a little while.

Posted by: Oldcat at November 05, 2010 03:25 PM (z1N6a)

706 As I've said countless times, I'd have been happy to ignore O'Donnell
but when guys like Limbaugh, Hannity, Palin and Levin start talking her
up as being good for conservatism, people who disagree with them have a
right to say why.
This is another strawman. You conveniently ignored the attack by the Del GOP against her (suing her before the primary) and Karl Rove right after the primary. If we got someone like Giulianni or Christi instead of Castle, then she should have been a non-issue. The fact is that our side spent a lot more time attacking CO than Coons. The Del and national GOP seemed to work for her defeat! Just look Miller and Murkowski as a case in point. Naturally people are suspicious of Est candidate in this cycle. Using the same logic, we can blame Karl Rove and est reps like Castle for the debacles of 2006 and 2008. They are not automatically wrong, but I wouldn't trust them at first pass.



Posted by: LAI at November 05, 2010 03:25 PM (R4ub4)

707 Posted by: Oldcat at November 05, 2010 03:23 PM (z1N6a)

If Castle had won the nomination, do you know how many posts there would have been about him before and after the election?

Zero.

Go back and look at how many posts we did about Hoeven in ND or Coats in IN. Zero. Same for Castle.

Also look how many posts we did for the guy running against Lehy, Schumer and Innoye. Zero.

We talked about close races we could win and breaking news. That's it. There was no pimping or excitement for establishment walkovers. We just took them for granted and moved onto to more important things.

Posted by: DrewM. at November 05, 2010 03:26 PM (HicGG)

708 2012: it is imperative that for the next two years the Republicans appear as a responsible party with the best interests of the people (all of them) at heart, who are willing to fight for said people, and who are able to implement feasible plans for the same. They must not let the Democrats pull them from the task of rescuing the country; they must not let their own party or the Tea Party or whoever do the same. Our country is in trouble -- political point scoring means little right now.
A tough job -- even without the media/academia ankle biters.
Keep the RINOs in line; shut out the assorted nuts and camp followers who want their personal 15 minutes at the expense of the country...and find the one person who can win the presidential election -- and even more importantly, lead this country in a time of desperate need. The country will need a hero, not a good Republican/conservative/Tea Party politician, btw.
If that means telling Karl Rove to go to hell; so be it. If it means telling Sarah Palin to shut the hell up; so be it. RINO, conservative, Tea Partier, liberal, blue dog -- none of it matters any more. The country matters.
You are either for America, or against it. Lead, or get out of the way.

Posted by: unknown jane at November 05, 2010 03:26 PM (5/yRG)

709 Personally I chalk Rossi and Buck up to sacks of "found uncounted" ballots that mysteriously appear at the last second to swing tight races to Democrats and other creepy bullshit that no-one in the Republican party yet seems even REMOTELY serious about mounting real legal opposition too.

Posted by: cackfinger at November 05, 2010 03:26 PM (TUBcJ)

710 I wished the McCain people would shut up after the 2008 election. But the Est Reps were busy blaming Palin and the base .

Posted by: LAI at November 05, 2010 03:27 PM (R4ub4)

711 Cackfinger,
I agree with you and I think we have to deal with this voter fraud issue for the 2012 election. Can't allow it to continue like that.

Posted by: LAI at November 05, 2010 03:28 PM (R4ub4)

712 I think she also is the reason Joe Miller lost.

Posted by: Velvet Ambition at November 05, 2010 03:28 PM (AbbQK)

713 S T U C K O N S T U __ ___ D
10 seconds to solve the puzzle, or spin again Ace.

Posted by: Pat Sajack at November 05, 2010 03:28 PM (K/USr)

714 If Castle had won the nomination, do you know how many posts there would have been about him before and after the election?
There would have been plenty when he switched parties.

Posted by: Guy Fawkes at November 05, 2010 03:29 PM (JcRgg)

715 Ace, you had to know what this post would do, after the 1000+ comments on Drew's post yesterday.

You HAD TO KNOW. And you did it anyway. Passive-aggressive much?

This is what I mean when I say the aggression and vitriol come mostly from the anti-COD side.

COD has served a valuable purpose: We now know where many people allegedly on our side really stand. With the Republican apparatchiks.

Now unleash another hateful, spittle-flecked attack against me, simply for stating what's increasingly obvious.

Posted by: tsj017 at November 05, 2010 03:29 PM (4YUWF)

716 No wonder you do such a great impersonation of Peggy Noonan.

Posted by: goosey at November 05, 2010 03:29 PM (kgs/Q)

717 Posted by: Velvet Ambition at November 05, 2010 03:28 PM (AbbQK)

Joe miller's loss had absolutely nothing to do with the "thugs" who roughed up the reporter right, it was all Christine's fault.

Posted by: curious at November 05, 2010 03:29 PM (p302b)

718 If that means telling Karl Rove to go to hell; so be it. If it means
telling Sarah Palin to shut the hell up; so be it. RINO, conservative,
Tea Partier, liberal, blue dog -- none of it matters any more. The
country matters.

Good point. In the last 2 years, at the national level Limbaugh and Palin have been the two leading the charge against Obama and his destruction of the country. Chris Christie is the stellar example at the state level. Bobby Jindal is another one. I looked at results and actions here.

Posted by: LAI at November 05, 2010 03:30 PM (R4ub4)

719 Cackfinger, LAI,
What do you suggest?

Posted by: Velvet Ambition at November 05, 2010 03:31 PM (AbbQK)

720 How did we win a historic landslide if O'Donnel was costing Republicans all these seats? I swear political pundits wouldn't last long if they got fired for obviously stupid assertions.

Posted by: Matt X at November 05, 2010 03:31 PM (kcNAu)

721 Joe miller's loss had absolutely nothing to do with the "thugs" who roughed up the reporter right, it was all Christine's fault.

True, CO made the national GOP mad. So they had to help Murkowski.

Posted by: LAI at November 05, 2010 03:31 PM (R4ub4)

722 What you guys are missing and what is becoming eminently clear is that if you are a democrat you are given plenty of support but if you are a republican you are only given support if you match up to a strange set of criteria.

The Republicans need to grow a set and fast. Maybe look into Washington state and connecticut and nevada and california and even New York.

Posted by: curious at November 05, 2010 03:32 PM (p302b)

723 My ire is directed at any figure who damages the conservative cause.
Agreed. The people like Castle gave us the debacles of 2006 and 2008. We should direct our ire at them in the next 2 years.

Posted by: LAI at November 05, 2010 03:32 PM (R4ub4)

724 lorien1973 and others, as long as there is an R after your name, the media is going to portray you as a loon! Get used to it. Was what Christine O'Donnell did as a young person worse than what Ted Kennedy did? Did the media paint all Democrats as drunken killers? What the hell is wrong with you frickin' elitists? Y'all expecting perfection? From whom? Why didn't any of you perfect ones put your ass on the line like COD did? The TP brought victory to the frickin' hapless GOP and y'all bitchin' about COD cuz she's calling out the morons at the GOP who refused to assist her in DE. She's danged right. Rush is right when he said that even though O'Donnell didn't win she sure helped to move the country rightward. Ellmers is doing exactly what O'Donnell is. Joe Miller should be doing it, too. TP Conservatives brought the GOP into power up and down the length of this country and the moronic GOP is trying to block them out of power positions (some TX fart over Bachmann). You think the GOP would be where it is without the TP this year? With the limp-dicked RINOs who believed they had to go along to get along? Were it not for Palin and for TPiers, Obama would've run unchecked. So, what if O'DOnnell wasn't as articulate as Teh Telepromptered Won? Who cares? She knows what she believes. Some of you just believe she brought down the GOP. BS! The GOP without the TP would've been nowhere in 2010. If the GOP continues with it's asinine braying, they'll discover what is third party status in 2012.

Posted by: apodoca at November 05, 2010 03:32 PM (JCHdz)

725 Sorry curious, I forgot the sarc tag
Pretty soon we will be blaming her for high unemployment

Posted by: Velvet Ambition at November 05, 2010 03:32 PM (AbbQK)

726 @unknown jane

Sorry if I seem like I'm stalking your posts, jane, but I agree 100% with what you said last. The country is what is at stake. I know everyone here cares about that. We just can't afford to have anyone, in the movement or out, derailing our focus on getting this country back from the brink of insolvency and statism.

Posted by: DocJ at November 05, 2010 03:33 PM (ACoO/)

727 Were it not for Palin and for TPiers, Obama would've run unchecked.

I would take the Palin 's debacle of 2010 over the success of 2006 and 2008.

Posted by: LAI at November 05, 2010 03:34 PM (R4ub4)

728 @ 703
-- I ain't laughin'. But I sure am enjoying sticking to the Levin Candidate after his idiotic thuggery against good, solid, respectable conservatives who didn't deserve the treatment they got from him over someone he would love to be able to forget all about ASAP.


Posted by: Walt Gilbert at November 05, 2010 03:34 PM (PmZ9N)

729 Why no focus on the moderate Republicans that lost in California, Oregon, and other blue states? Because if your premise is that Mike Castle could have won DE, that doesn't help make your case.

Posted by: Matt X at November 05, 2010 03:34 PM (kcNAu)

730 Nearly 800 comments. Either we are bored or O'Donnell fanboys are as flameretardent and the Palin fanboys.

I say everyone should take a breather till the new year.

Posted by: The Arbitor at November 05, 2010 03:34 PM (dejrp)

731 Really? To SEND A MESSAGE??!?!?!?

The signal accomplishment of the Tea Party is not that they helped get some new people elected. It is that they taught current Republicans to fear their primaries.

Posted by: Michael at November 05, 2010 03:35 PM (l7H1O)

732 I don't think keeping COD in the news is doing us any good, but if the GOP establishment is doing this stuff to candidates, we NEED to know about it.

If the surface is roses, but the roots are buried in shit, that's important to everyone.

Frankly, I tend to think she isn't making this stuff up out of thin air. The GOP establishment has had this complaint aired against them a LOT from different sources over the last 6 months (think Princess Lisa, their refusal to support a number of candidates, etc).

This is dirty laundry and it NEEDS to be aired out and then fixed. The Democrats don't do this to their side.

You guys don't like the message, so you are attacking the messenger.


Posted by: blindside at November 05, 2010 03:36 PM (x7g7t)

733 You sound pretty elitist to me. I thought the founders felt that regular folks could serve their country. So, in a time when people are terrified about the economy, losing their homes, losing their jobs, good folks step up to the plate and you have the audacity to say they aren't smart enough? So you subscribe to the theory that only the ivy league can run this country? You subscribe to the theory that BO with little experience in anything but community organizing and campaigning is ok cause he's "all ivy"?

So the truth comes out, you are a bunch of elites...

Posted by: curious at November 05, 2010 03:36 PM (p302b)

734 706
O'Donnel never ran off a bridge while DUI and killed a woman and fleed the scene. She never rode with the KKK. She never lied about soldiers in Vietnam and lied to get medals he did not deserve and a early trip home. She never raped or sexually harrassed anybody. She never had a hatemonger preacher like J. Wright, and terrorist buddies like Bill Ayers.

Why do you think I'm an independent who will no longer look at a Democrat canidate, among other things?
Don't think for one second that sort of behavior won't sour me on Republicans.

Posted by: unknown jane at November 05, 2010 03:36 PM (5/yRG)

735 737 Posted by: apodoca at November 05, 2010 03:32 PM

word.

Posted by: goosey at November 05, 2010 03:37 PM (kgs/Q)

736 #743 Heh, We are trying to have a conservation with the Castle boys.

Posted by: LAI at November 05, 2010 03:37 PM (R4ub4)

737 Arbitor,
It's funny how your Castlebots think nobody is allowed to respond to anti-O'Donnel posts. IT's time for the Castle supporters to get over it. This blaming everything on O'Donnel is stupid as hell.

Posted by: Matt X at November 05, 2010 03:38 PM (kcNAu)

738 At the end of the day, I'm still on O'Donnell's side.
So what if she was (or wasn't) a terribly flawed candidate with personal problems that might reflect on her character poorly. I don't care if she's perfect, because you see, that's what I judged the lesser evil.
Whether you like it or not there's a new game in town. It's not crap sandwich vs. giant douche. It's crap sandwich vs. giant douche vs. nutcase. I choose nutcase.
You've got Republicans and you've got Tea Partiers. Maybe they can cooperate, maybe they cannot. If not, I know who's side I'm on.
All this 'us' and 'we' business is getting a bit lazy with the pronouns. It cost 'us' 3 seats.
No - it cost you 3 seats. If it costs you guys3 seats everytime we try to pick up 1, well... sucks to be you.
Welcome to 2010. You've got competition on the right now. Deal with it.

Posted by: Entropy at November 05, 2010 03:41 PM (IsLT6)

739 If the house dems want to keep their seats next time around, they would do well to vote out ol nan. But hannity is encouraging them to elect her....

Posted by: curious at November 05, 2010 03:41 PM (p302b)

740 This is what Ace and the GOP think we should have to setttle for in DE and other blue states:
Voted YES on TARPVoted YES on Cap and TradeVoted YES on Cash for ClunkersVoted YES on the auto bailoutVoted YES on bailing out Fannie and FreddieVoted YES on SCHIP (w/ tax increase)Voted YES to increase taxes on oil and gas companiesVoted YES to increase the minimum wageVoted NO to open up ANWRVoted YES on the pork-infested 2005 Highway billVoted NO to restrict eminent domain abuseVoted YES to increase funding for PBSVoted YES on the Medicare drug benefitVoted YES on No Child Left BehindVoted YES on McCain-FeingoldVoted NO to end milk subsidiesVoted NO on waiving Davis-Bacon labor rules

Posted by: Matt X at November 05, 2010 03:41 PM (kcNAu)

741 736
My ire is directed at any figure who damages the conservative cause.
Agreed. The people like Castle gave us the debacles of 2006 and 2008. We should direct our ire at them in the next 2 years.



Posted by: LAI at November 05, 2010 03:32 PM (R4ub4)

But they were, don't you see? They were giving Castle such a hate-suck that he'd think twice before he came in their mouths again, for sure!

Posted by: Mob at November 05, 2010 03:42 PM (mefTt)

742 No - it cost you 3 seats. If it costs you guys3 seats everytime we try to pick up 1, well... sucks to be you.
Welcome to 2010. You've got competition on the right now. Deal with it.

Posted by: Entropy at November 05, 2010 03:41 PM (IsLT6)
Well said. I can imagine circumstances under which I would stop being a Republican, but I can't imagine any circumstances at all under which I would stop being a conservative.

Posted by: Mary in LA at November 05, 2010 03:43 PM (JYxmy)

743 Ace I apologize. The 'Let It Go' post above was mine; I forgot to take off the sock.

I really meant to post that under my own name. My bad.

Posted by: richard mcenroe at November 05, 2010 03:43 PM (R2TIC)

744 I think it's absurd to even call O'Donnel the lesser evil. She would have voted the right way on taxes, healthcare, etc. I don't give a fuck about the candidates other than how they vote, unless they commited some crime. Being a witch isn't a crime.

Posted by: Matt X at November 05, 2010 03:43 PM (kcNAu)

745 @ 750 -- Y'all chose to make O'Donnell the hill to die on, and I for one intend to hold you bastards to it. If you think defending her is the best thing for the cause of conservatism, you're going to have plenty of opportunities for the foreseeable future.

Posted by: Walt Gilbert at November 05, 2010 03:43 PM (PmZ9N)

746 I for one intend to hold you bastards to it.

Posted by: Walt Gilbert at November 05, 2010 03:43 PM (PmZ9N)

Why?

Posted by: Mary in LA at November 05, 2010 03:45 PM (JYxmy)

747 More and more I"m beginning to think that the rovians and their little friends believe the tea party was nice to use for a one night stand but now they have to go back to their wealthy fiance and behave just as they always have.

Do you guys really think the tea party or whatever it is characterized at or called can be put down and put away by the republican party?

Christine O'Donnell is loudly showing all of you it can't and won't be put down and you are uncomfortable with it. The tea party's purpose was to elect the best people for their job according to their philosophy. Not to elect republicans.

Posted by: curious at November 05, 2010 03:46 PM (p302b)

748 What unemployment?

Posted by: the mainstream media at November 05, 2010 03:46 PM (eQPq+)

749 Walt Gibert wants to make Castle the hill to die on. Here's Castle's record again, and another reminder that Castle opposed repeal of Obamacare.
Voted YES on TARPVoted YES on Cap and TradeVoted YES on Cash for ClunkersVoted YES on the auto bailoutVoted YES on bailing out Fannie and FreddieVoted YES on SCHIP (w/ tax increase)Voted YES to increase taxes on oil and gas companiesVoted YES to increase the minimum wageVoted NO to open up ANWRVoted YES on the pork-infested 2005 Highway billVoted NO to restrict eminent domain abuseVoted YES to increase funding for PBSVoted YES on the Medicare drug benefitVoted YES on No Child Left BehindVoted YES on McCain-FeingoldVoted NO to end milk subsidiesVoted NO on waiving Davis-Bacon labor rules

Posted by: Matt X at November 05, 2010 03:46 PM (kcNAu)

750 You know who this helps, don't you?

Posted by: hugh hewitt at November 05, 2010 03:46 PM (eQPq+)

751 758
@ 750
-- Y'all chose to make O'Donnell the hill to die on, and I for one
intend to hold you bastards to it. If you think defending her is the
best thing for the cause of conservatism, you're going to have plenty
of opportunities for the foreseeable future.


Posted by: Walt Gilbert at November 05, 2010 03:43 PM (PmZ9N)

You still dont' get it. O'Donnell isn't the hill. O'Donnell is the MESSAGE, and it is the MESSAGE that forms the hill on which we have chosen 'to die'.
The other message about 'just put (R)s in power and things will be OK', well, that hill proved to be a false choice; one that helped put us into this situation.You guys act like the Republicans had no blame for 2001-2008, but they did, and a lot of those same people who FUCKED us during that period are still in Congress.

A tiger doesn't change his stripes.

Posted by: blindside at November 05, 2010 03:48 PM (x7g7t)

752 @ 759
-- Because no one should be shielded from the consequences of their arrogance and stupidity.

Posted by: Walt Gilbert at November 05, 2010 03:48 PM (PmZ9N)

753 BTW, anyone know who makes wheelbarrows. I'm going to invest in that company, they are going to sell a lot of wheelbarrows.

Hannity saying BO is taking credit for the jobs report today. Well that is dumb, it was really clear that the republicans were going gangbusters and the market and the economy (ie hiring) responded to this ahead of time. It has nothing to do with BO and everything to do with the republicans and the tea partiers.

Posted by: curious at November 05, 2010 03:49 PM (p302b)

754 I think the a big problem that conservatives have is there is so few conservative "firebrands" in the print media or the blogs, outside of Michelle Malkin and Ann Coulter. You got a bunch of "let's just vote for this guy because of demographics" pussies like Ace and Allahpundit and Jim Geraghty. That's not how you move the country to the right.

Posted by: Matt X at November 05, 2010 03:49 PM (kcNAu)

755 Y'all chose to make O'Donnell the hill to die on, and I for one intend
to hold you bastards to it. If you think defending her is the best
thing for the cause of conservatism, you're going to have plenty of
opportunities for the foreseeable future.

Nope, you seem to make Mike Castle the hill to die on. Compared to all the "flaws" of the dems, we spent an inordinate amount of time to attack her. The best I can tell from some not all is personal spite. I respected Patterico because he acted like a big boy. He stated his position, took the heat, and still worked for the team. Rush Limbaugh is the same. He defended and tried to drag McCain to the finish line. Palin came to the defense of Schlesinger. Chris Christie knows who his real adversary is. I also respected the rationale of people who supported Castle. But some simply too bitter to let it drop.

Posted by: LAI at November 05, 2010 03:50 PM (R4ub4)

756 Yet in an interview with the Detroit News Monday, Senator Debbie Stabenow (D., Mich.) - recently appointed to the Senate Energy Committee - made clear that fighting the climate crisis is her top priority.
Posted by: OCBill at November 05, 2010 03:00 PM (YJvVE)
Sigh..Deb,Deb Deb. Deb should be counting her lucky stars she wasn't up this year as she would have been toast, I think she still is in '12.

Posted by: Waldo in Hiding at November 05, 2010 03:51 PM (FIDMq)

757 Walt, I find your love of Coldplay disturbing and disqualifying.

Posted by: Dr. Spank at November 05, 2010 03:51 PM (Y81Xa)

758 Because no one should be shielded from the consequences of their arrogance and stupidity.

Posted by: Walt Gilbert at November 05, 2010 03:48 PM (PmZ9N)
You do realize, don't you, that aside from supporting a different candidate in the DE senate race, there's not much philosophical difference between you and the people you want to punish?

Posted by: Mary in LA at November 05, 2010 03:51 PM (JYxmy)

759 "Cackfinger, LAI,

What do you suggest?"

At the very least, hire lawyers, make a stink, send observers, INVESTIGATE the principles who seem to be involved and TRACK the issue election to election. Put people in place to monitor NEXT election cycle, Bring the issue up constantly and refer to it as "the appearance of election result manipulation". IF you find any evidence then bring charges and publicize them as widely as possible.

In short i want the Republican party leadership to expend effort to make election weirdness around tight races, or in political-machine run areas embarrassing, expensive, difficult, and risky for ALL of the people who try to get away with it.

I want them to LOUDLY criticize the people (usually from out of state) who show up to insist that we should count every vote, even the illegible ones and the rubber-ones that have the same ten people's finger prints all over them, and then try to get military absentee ballots thrown out because the people who printed them and sent them out made a boo-boo or mailed them out too late.

At least LOOK INVOLVED because right now, to me, the appearance is that elections are being corrupted to some degree and the Republicans just yawn and show no interest in doing much of anything about the issue unless it reaches the presidential level.

Posted by: cackfinger at November 05, 2010 03:51 PM (TUBcJ)

760 Walt,
You are kind of gay if you like Coldplay. Delaware would probably vote for you.

Posted by: Matt X at November 05, 2010 03:52 PM (kcNAu)

761 Posted by: cackfinger at November 05, 2010 03:51 PM (TUBcJ)

ditto

Posted by: curious at November 05, 2010 03:53 PM (p302b)

762 @ 750 -- Have a look at the stripes on the tiger you just got elected. That tiger is going to be there until he decides he wants to leave. The seat's gone for at least a generation and there's not a damned thing the Delaware GOP establishment or you or anyone else can do about it. It's gone.

Nice work.

Posted by: Walt Gilbert at November 05, 2010 03:54 PM (PmZ9N)

763 Exit question: OK, morons and moronettes... who has learned how to MAXIMIZE their page views better now - me or Ace? You've found your Palin, dude. Well played.

Posted by: Allahpundit at November 05, 2010 03:54 PM (paSkt)

764 We talked about close races we could win and
breaking news. That's it. There was no pimping or excitement for
establishment walkovers. We just took them for granted and moved onto to
more important things.

Posted by: DrewM. at November 05, 2010 03:26 PM (HicGG)
So why were there any about COD? Since she was hardly in a close race.

Posted by: Oldcat at November 05, 2010 03:55 PM (z1N6a)

765 Coldplay.

Posted by: Dr. Spank at November 05, 2010 03:55 PM (Y81Xa)

766 Anybody else noticing that Olympia Snowe is nervous? That John McCain had to abandon his "maverick" shtick and run hard to his right?

Of course., and it's because see the base regurgitate guys like Castle, regardless of his presumed "electability."

Posted by: Michael at November 05, 2010 03:55 PM (l7H1O)

767

Castle, at best, would have been our 48th Senator. The loss is trivial.

Posted by: toby928 at November 05, 2010 03:55 PM (S5YRY)

768 Posted by: Walt Gilbert at November 05, 2010 03:54 PM (PmZ9N)

That is total BS. I have a feeling that ol Christine will be after that seat his entire 6 years. Every move he makes Christine will be out there commenting about the move and how she would have done things differently. Christine is now a fixture in DE, she's going to have to fight not only Coons but Biden as well and if you guys think you have a headache now.....

well, let's just say, we women never let it drop....

Posted by: curious at November 05, 2010 03:57 PM (p302b)

769 Posted by: DocJ at November 05, 2010 03:07 PM (ACoO/)


Palin also gave us Kelly Ayotte, Nikki Haley, Mary Fallin, Joe Miller, Susanna Martinez, Rand Paul, John McCain (if COD is "flawed", Hayworth is a total jackwagon), and dozens and dozens of kick-ass House members, including Allen West, Sean Duffy, Vicky Hartzler, and Adam Kizinger.


She didn't support Angle, Buck, Paladino, or Maes in the primaries, so don't blame her for any of those losses. She was going to back Norton in CO, but she tested the waters by floating a rumor about it and everybody went nuts and started attacking her over it, so she didn't.

Posted by: ol_dirty_/b/tard at November 05, 2010 03:57 PM (Vl+Ts)

770 To say that ODonnell is responsible for Ken Buck losing in Colorado is just plain horse excrement. You dont know this state very well.
Ken Buck was a terrible candidate who ran a terrible race. He left to many accusations un-answered. He along with a terrible bunch of GOP candidates, with Tom Tancredo being at the top of list, lost the races here in Colorado all by themselves. He tried to live off of one add, They didnt listen. Yea, good add, but not good enough to carry the election.

Posted by: Ben Hammer at November 05, 2010 03:58 PM (WFHy8)

771 All the Delware-GOP had to do was put up a better candidate than Castle and all this is avoided.



O'Donnell was a bad candidate. But I think people are missing the root cause of the loss: Mike Castle.

This.

How bad of a candidate did Mike Castle have to be to lose to the obvious disaster-in-the-making Christine O'Donnell?

The job of a primary candidate is to appeal to the voters of his own party and do so in a way that doesn't make you toxic to the larger electorate of the general. Mike Castle was an absolutely horrible Republican primary candidate, but hey, let's just blame COD -- who, despite what a couple of political junkies on this blog seem to think, had nothing to do with losses in states two and three time zones away (and no evidence has been produced to the contrary) -- for the fact that Castle couldn't even excite hard-core party lickspittle Hugh Hewitt.

Delusional. Seriously delusional. You are grossly overestimating how many people even knew that COD was a "Tea Party" candidate, much less designated her as the brush to taint the movement. Hell, you're grossly overestimating how many people even know now who she is at all.

Posted by: VJay at November 05, 2010 03:59 PM (gQ+XA)

772 If I haad my way, DE would not be a state, it's aone city state and does not warrant even 1 senator, and they gettwo. I would merge it with Maryland. Democrats are picking up 4 easy senate seats when you look at how small DE and Vermont are.

Posted by: Matt X at November 05, 2010 03:59 PM (kcNAu)

773 Coons is up for re-election in 4 years not 6.

Posted by: Dr. Spank at November 05, 2010 03:59 PM (Y81Xa)

774 @ 771
-- Yes, I do realize that. There's not a whole lot of philosophical difference between myself and a whole lot of people. There's plenty of assholes who happen to be conservatives. It just so happens that the biggest ones supported O'Donnell.

Posted by: Walt Gilbert at November 05, 2010 03:59 PM (PmZ9N)

775 Y'know, I'm in Ohio. Didn't pay all that much attention to COD.

Until I noticed that much of the GOP establishment (and their courtiers) were going after O'Donnell in very much the same way the Dems, the media and that same GOP establishment went after Palin.

Very much the same.

You might want to go read Obi-Wan's post-mortem at NRO, specifically this passage:

"Obi-Wan Kenobi: The GOP lacks, as Patrick Caddell puts it, a national narrative. So, yes, much of the problem in so many races remains a plague of consultants who dont believe in the battle of ideas and the superiority of the conservative brand name. The Bush campaigns could only barely beat Al Gore and John Kerry and left us the 2006 and 2008 disasters precisely because they religiously refused to use those brand names and thought clever maneuvers by political geniuses won elections.

Politics is about ideas. And advertising is about knowing that you are not ultimately going to con your audience. So our experts in political advertising have a problem. They dont understand politics. And they dont understand advertising.

Jim: What about the Tea Party?

Obi-Wan Kenobi: What about it? Im laughing at Larry Sabato saying people are texting him that the Tea Partiers cost the GOP a 50-50 Senate. What an insiders who are these newcomers? reaction. Just as the Goldwater movement transformed the GOP from an Eastern and pretty liberal party into a conservative one and gave us Reagan, the Tea Party folk have brought great new energy as well as people to politics, including millions of Americans who were part of the old Perot coalition and now realize they are conservatives who should be identifying with Republicans. The consultants cant stand these people cause they arent politically housebroken and as candidates even question their production costs and agency fees."

Posted by: tsj017 at November 05, 2010 03:59 PM (4YUWF)

776 739 Oh, go ahead and stalk away -- it's kind of refreshing to get replies back that don't call me an idiot, a whore, a bitch, a cunt, a moby, or a liberal troll.
Or in the case of Amish Dude...a humanities major...which is the ultimate heresy and epithet (hey, and much love on that shout out to you AD...who loves ya baby!?).

Posted by: unknown jane at November 05, 2010 03:59 PM (5/yRG)

777 How do we move conservativism forward with somebody that isn't a conservative like Mike Castle. His record:
Voted YES on TARPVoted YES on Cap and TradeVoted YES on Cash for ClunkersVoted YES on the auto bailoutVoted YES on bailing out Fannie and FreddieVoted YES on SCHIP (w/ tax increase)Voted YES to increase taxes on oil and gas companiesVoted YES to increase the minimum wageVoted NO to open up ANWRVoted YES on the pork-infested 2005 Highway billVoted NO to restrict eminent domain abuseVoted YES to increase funding for PBSVoted YES on the Medicare drug benefitVoted YES on No Child Left BehindVoted YES on McCain-FeingoldVoted NO to end milk subsidiesVoted NO on waiving Davis-Bacon labor rules

Posted by: Matt X at November 05, 2010 04:02 PM (kcNAu)

778 There's plenty of assholes who happen to be conservatives. It just so happens that the biggest ones supported O'Donnell.


Posted by: Walt Gilbert at November 05, 2010 03:59 PM (PmZ9N)
Maybe so, but I would argue that the worst O'Donnell-supporting "a-hole" [I'm behind a firewall here] is better and more likely to be on your side, politically and philosophically, than the best liberal Democrat.

Posted by: Mary in LA at November 05, 2010 04:03 PM (JYxmy)

779 710 They ran a man who VOTE FOR CAT for the Senate in Illinois.
And
guess what? That guy won. Won a tight race. A race that he won
because he got moderate voters in the Collar counties to split their
tickets and vote for him while also voting for Pat Quinn. ...
Posted by: Jeff B. at November 05, 2010 03:21 PM (NjYDy)
Bull Shit. The collar counties and the Sen/Gov winners:
Dupage County - Kirk won/ Brady Won
Kane - Kirk/Brady
Lake - Kirk/Brady
McHenry - Kirk/Brady
Will - Kirk/Brady
http://tinyurl.com/2dy25o6
The link is spotty loading up. The page is a directory of the county election results sites.

Posted by: Former Tenant at November 05, 2010 04:03 PM (tpzGL)

780 @ 781 -- Christine is now a fixture in DE, she's going to have to fight not only
Coons but Biden as well and if you guys think you have a headache
now.....

There you have it. The new face of the Delaware GOP. If that doesn't make you a little sick to your stomach, God help you.

Posted by: Walt Gilbert at November 05, 2010 04:04 PM (PmZ9N)

781 she and people like her

Posted by: The War Between the Undead States at November 05, 2010 04:00 PM (XrCW4)
Who else is "like her"?

Posted by: Mary in LA at November 05, 2010 04:04 PM (JYxmy)

782 You're in danger of becoming like LGF if you continue to keep picking away at scabs.

Harping mixed with smugness is a toxic combination for webforums, and even worse for site owners who derive their livelihoods from such a place.

Eyeballs on sites are terrible thing to lose.

Posted by: Alec Baldwin at November 05, 2010 04:04 PM (81mjT)

783 Posted by: The War Between the Undead States at November 05, 2010 04:00 PM (XrCW4)

Pretty much beside the point. Nobody has the power to keep COD from running in the primary. You can only beat her by fielding a creditable candidate. This year, Castle was not that man for a variety of reasons that are being ignored in exchange for blaming shadowy contributors, Levin, Limbaugh, whatever.



Posted by: Oldcat at November 05, 2010 04:05 PM (z1N6a)

784 The new face of the Delaware GOP.

Posted by: Walt Gilbert at November 05, 2010 04:04 PM (PmZ9N)
Why do you say that?

Posted by: Mary in LA at November 05, 2010 04:05 PM (JYxmy)

785 Posted by: Oldcat at November 05, 2010 03:55 PM (z1N6a)

There weren't a lot of O'Donnell posts during the campaign.

The only one I can think of is the witch one, the 1st Amendment debate, some on polls and maybe when she released her ad. Those were all news posts.

There were zero 'we're fucked' posts during the campaign.

Posted by: DrewM. at November 05, 2010 04:05 PM (HicGG)

786 Heh, who idolizes O'Donnel? Conservatives supported her b/c she was a conservative and Castle is an Obama rubber stamp. I don't of any conservatives that have suggested she was Ronald Reagan. You Castle RINOs are so bitter. I don't think War is even a RINO, he voted for Obama if he's this bent out of shape over Castle not winning.

Posted by: Matt X at November 05, 2010 04:05 PM (kcNAu)

787 There you have it. The new face of the Delaware GOP. If that doesn't make you a little sick to your stomach, God help you.

Posted by: Walt Gilbert at November 05, 2010 04:04 PM (PmZ9N)
If you worry about the Delaware GOP's 'face' for more than a second, you need to get a hobby.

Posted by: Oldcat at November 05, 2010 04:06 PM (z1N6a)

788 you don't have an argument for Christine O'Donnell.

Posted by: The War Between the Undead States at November 05, 2010 04:05 PM (XrCW4)
I only have one argument for Christine O'Donnell, but that was sufficient: She won the primary.

Posted by: Mary in LA at November 05, 2010 04:07 PM (JYxmy)

789
"Castle, at best, would have been our 48th Senator. The loss is trivial."

That's exactly what I was thinking. But then I looked at the main post again and remembered that she became the face of the G.O.P., lost 3 U.S. Senate seats all on her own, lit a cigarette on the Hindenburg and got caught bugging the DNC offices.

Still, I'd take her over Castle.

Posted by: Lincolntf at November 05, 2010 04:08 PM (V/C0X)

790 @ 792 -- Maybe so, but I would argue that the worst O'Donnell-supporting "a-hole"
[I'm behind a firewall here] is better and more likely to be on your
side, politically and philosophically, than the best liberal Democrat.

If they can't behave like they're on my side, and treat people like me any better than they treat their enemies (see Mark Levin), there's no point in pretending that they're really on my side.

Posted by: Walt Gilbert at November 05, 2010 04:08 PM (PmZ9N)

791 Posted by: Alec Baldwin at November 05, 2010 04:04 PM (81mjT)

Oh boo-hoo. Two whole posts on something you don't like and suddenly the place is LGF? Has anyone been banned for anything they've written in support of O'Donnell or for being critical of Ace?

This was the most covered race of the cycle and there were two post-mortem posts. Yeah, it's fucking overkill!

And add on to it all the posts about Angle and Buck fucking things up...oh wait, there haven't been any of those.

Posted by: DrewM. at November 05, 2010 04:08 PM (HicGG)

792 I thought War and Tattoo worked for Coons.

Posted by: Dr. Spank at November 05, 2010 04:09 PM (Y81Xa)

793 No - it cost you 3 seats. If it costs you guys3 seats everytime we try to pick up 1, well... sucks to be you.
Welcome to 2010. You've got competition on the right now. Deal with it.
Are you saying that it is the intention of "your" side to elect more Democrats?
That's surely the only way to advance the conservative cause, right? There is no other possible alternative that that? For instance, staying out of a primary race if it's a no-win situation?
Making an effort to nominate electable candidates? Crazy talk. Let's endorse and fund shitty candidates with no chance of winninginstead. That'll show 'em. Maybe if we lose enough races, we'll have the votes to defund Obamacare- the side with the least number of votes wins, right?
Some of you are under the delusion that losing this seat taught the GOP establishment a lesson that only purely conservative candidates should be fielded. They learned a lesson, alright- but the opposite from what you apparently intended. From now on, expect the "GOP establishment" to provide much stronger backing tothe RINO if they think he has even a slightly better chance of being elected. What other lesson would they take from DE, CO and AK?
Think the GOP was unfair to Angle, Miller and O'Donnell? Just wait till next election. None of us will be happy about it, and we'll have Palin and the TPE to thank for it.

Posted by: Hollowpoint at November 05, 2010 04:09 PM (plsiE)

794 775
@ 750
-- Have a look at the stripes on the tiger you just got elected. That
tiger is going to be there until he decides he wants to leave. The
seat's gone for at least a generation and there's not a damned thing
the Delaware GOP establishment or you or anyone else can do about it.
It's gone.

Nice work.


Posted by: Walt Gilbert at November 05, 2010 03:54 PM (PmZ9N)
Prove that Castle would have won that seat. Exit polling says he didn't.

Posted by: blindside at November 05, 2010 04:09 PM (x7g7t)

795 Did this website focus much on any of the other races? As Ann Coulter pointed out, we probably could have won Connecticut with another Republican instead of that wrestling babe. I never saw Ace and the clones talk about Connecticut though. WV was a disappointing lost....how the hell does the REpublican lose to a Democrat there when Obama is polling under 40%? There's othere states we should have won in my view, DE was going to be a longshot even with the most perfect candidate as most of it's population is in one large urban center that is hard left.

Posted by: Matt X at November 05, 2010 04:10 PM (kcNAu)

796 There weren't a lot of O'Donnell posts during the campaign.The
only one I can think of is the witch one, the 1st Amendment debate,
some on polls and maybe when she released her ad. Those were all news
posts.There were zero 'we're fucked' posts during the campaign.

Posted by: DrewM. at November 05, 2010 04:05 PM (HicGG)
And there was no news on any of the other five hundred races worthy of one post? Since you stated up above that zero was the typical number.

Posted by: Oldcat at November 05, 2010 04:11 PM (z1N6a)

797 Posted by: Walt Gilbert at November 05, 2010 04:04 PM (PmZ9N)

So you believe that the GOP should be all ivy league educated white men?

I got news for you buddy, you think this country isn't diverse. On all the sites that witches frequent, those people were thrilled to have Christine running. Maybe it turned out she wasn't a witch but, the mere fact that she called attention to wicca, made those people happy, they were acknowledged. You forget that there are many little constituencies out there who believe in this country and want to see regular people in there representing them. I think it isn't going to be your father's republican party and if that's what you want then the tea party is fully prepared to help wipe the republican party off the map. Chew on that one for a while.

Posted by: curious at November 05, 2010 04:11 PM (p302b)

798 @ 798
-- Quick. Name three Delaware Republicans.

Buzz.

Posted by: Walt Gilbert at November 05, 2010 04:11 PM (PmZ9N)

799 If they can't behave like they're on my side, and
treat people like me any better than they treat their enemies (see Mark
Levin), there's no point in pretending that they're really on my side.

Posted by: Walt Gilbert at November 05, 2010 04:08 PM (PmZ9N)
Wait -- I thought you were objecting to their support of Christine O'Donnell. Is your objection that they were rude to you personally?

Posted by: Mary in LA at November 05, 2010 04:11 PM (JYxmy)

800 I only have one argument for Christine O'Donnell, but that was sufficient: She won the primary.


Posted by: Mary in LA at November 05, 2010 04:07 PM (JYxmy)
Darn that democratic system!

Posted by: Oldcat at November 05, 2010 04:12 PM (z1N6a)

801 If they can't behave like they're on my side, and treat people like me
any better than they treat their enemies (see Mark Levin), there's no
point in pretending that they're really on my side.

Have yo behaved any better than Mark Levin so far? Hide behind Levin if you want. But it is not constructive at best!

Posted by: LAI at November 05, 2010 04:12 PM (UEE89)

802 "Politics is about ideas. And advertising is about knowing that you are not ultimately going to con your audience. So our experts in political advertising have a problem. They dont understand politics. And they dont understand advertising."
Posted by: tsj017 at November 05, 2010 03:59 PM (4YUWF)
Funny, I was just thinking about this article and this exact same passage. I think our biggest problem is that we don't have enoughcandidates/elected officialswho (a) believe in conservatism, and (b) have the charisma and presence to communicate effectively what conservatism is. It's one reason why the Democrats fear Marco Rubio.
As far as the RINO/purist argument, I would be fine with 60% agreement as long as you're with me 100% on the really big issues (Obamacare, Cap and Tax, etc.) I can stomach someone undercutting me on tax cuts, tax rates, etc., but on the issues that will advance statism you've got to be on board. If not, then you've got to go.
I think JackStraw said it best above, both candidates were crap. There's no need to waste energy on Castle or O'Donnell anymore.

Posted by: Ghost of Lee Atwater at November 05, 2010 04:12 PM (JxMoP)

803 My arguement for Christine O'Donnel is she's not Mike Castle. You can't logically make the case he's a conservative or even a moderate. That's why I post his voting record up there so people know you are full of it.

Posted by: Matt X at November 05, 2010 04:12 PM (kcNAu)

804 *Some of you are under the delusion that losing this seat taught the GOP establishment a lesson that only purely conservative candidates should be fielded. They learned a lesson, alright- but the opposite from what you apparently intended. From now on, expect the "GOP establishment" to provide much stronger backing to the RINO if they think he has even a slightly better chance of being elected. What other lesson would they take from DE, CO and AK?*


Why can't you RINO douchebags get the message that you RINO douchebags need to help out those of us who are pointing out what douchebags you RINOs are? I mean what the fuck? Well not fuck. Brings up nasty imagry of sex and shit. Well not sex and shit. That reminds me of anal. Which is evil. Also oral. And masturbation. And...anyway...

We're gearing up for our 2012 Delaware campaign. I'm not even sure what's up but I'll run for something because I know how to fill out a form. Well some forms. Mortgage forms confuse me. Damn banks are out to screw me you know. This time we're driving for 41 percentage points! Onward and upward baby!

Posted by: Christine O'Donnell, Heroine at November 05, 2010 04:13 PM (oj52M)

805 And there was no news on any of the other five hundred races worthy of
one post? Since you stated up above that zero was the typical number.
Posted by: Oldcat at November 05, 2010 04:11 PM (z1N6a)

You sir are a genius! There were no other posts on this site about any races in the country. It was all pretty much music and sports all the time.

Do you even fucking read this site?

What I said was there was typically zero posts on races where the outcome was not in doubt.


Posted by: DrewM. at November 05, 2010 04:13 PM (HicGG)

806 "796 You're in danger of becoming like LGF if you continue to keep picking away at scabs. Harping mixed with smugness is a toxic combination for webforums, and even worse for site owners who derive their livelihoods from such a place. Eyeballs on sites are terrible thing to lose.

Posted by: Alec Baldwin at November 05, 2010 04:04 PM (81mjT)"

Yeah, "insulting a large portion of your readership" doesn't seem like a smart business model.

But then, "insulting a large portion of your voters" doesn't seem like smart politics, either. But the Rove/Frum/Noonan etc. wing of the GOP keeps doing it.

What do we know? We aren't political gurus!

Posted by: tsj017 at November 05, 2010 04:14 PM (4YUWF)

807 By the same token, can I consider Karl Rove "dead"? Should we learn from Castle supporters? Whoever Karl Rove supports now is suspicious until independently endorsed by other conservatives? If not, they made the bed, let them win the election. We will try to attack every move/statement that Rove candidate will make.

Posted by: LAI at November 05, 2010 04:15 PM (UEE89)

808 @ 809 -- Prove that Castle would have won that seat. Exit polling says he didn't.

Exit polling taken among an electorate that just handed a 17-point ass-whoopin' to the Republican candidate, taken after six weeks of seeing Coons look like the Second Coming compared to his opponent?

Yeah ... there's a reliable indicator.

Posted by: Walt Gilbert at November 05, 2010 04:15 PM (PmZ9N)

809 Making an effort to nominate electable
candidates? Crazy talk. Let's endorse and fund shitty candidates with
no chance of winninginstead. That'll show 'em. Maybe if we lose
enough races, we'll have the votes to defund Obamacare- the side with
the least number of votes wins, right?
Posted by: Hollowpoint at November 05, 2010 04:09 PM (plsiE)
I didn't know any of us were in the Delaware GOP high ranks. But apparently given a choice between Castle's wish to keep the seat warm for Biden Jr, and COD, they chose COD.Sorry if that bugs you.

Posted by: Oldcat at November 05, 2010 04:15 PM (z1N6a)

810 It was always Effen, it was never ValueRite, was it boys?

Posted by: goosey at November 05, 2010 04:15 PM (kgs/Q)

811 Posted by: DrewM. at November 05, 2010 04:13 PM (HicGG)

Drew, I'm just a lowly commenter, but I wish you would stop treating your commenters with such contempt. You have the power, we have none. It's punching down.

Posted by: Mary in LA at November 05, 2010 04:15 PM (JYxmy)

812 Dupage County - Kirk won/ Brady WonKane - Kirk/BradyLake - Kirk/BradyMcHenry - Kirk/BradyWill - Kirk/Brady

Jesus, are you bad at math? Dude, it doesn't matter that Brady "won" each of these counties. What matters is margin. Brady's margin of victory in each county trailed Kirk's significantly, which means -- HAS to mean, as in "there is no other mathematically possible interpretation of the data" -- that a significant number of Kirk voters split their ticket and also voted Quinn. Why? Because the Collar county voters (even the Republican ones!) hate 'those hicks from downstate.'

This dynamic -- the way the Illinois vote breaks down -- is one of the most notorious, well-studied intrastate regional rivalries in American politics. Seriously...it's, like, famous and all. I'm sort of surprised that you were unaware of it. Ask Mallamutt, he'll tell you the same thing.

Posted by: Jeff B. at November 05, 2010 04:15 PM (NjYDy)

813 Posted by: Former Tenant at November 05, 2010 04:03 PM (tpzGL)
Brady won the collar countiesas did Kirk. However, Brady did not get as many votes out the collar counties as Kirk did. And that was the point being made. Case in point, Will County:

Kirk got 98,558 votes in Will County.
Brady got 95, 764 votes in Will County

That is almost a 3,000 vote difference.

Another collar, Lake County

Kirk got 114,000 votes (yes, exactly 114,00 votes)
Brady got 101, 818

Those 2 collar counties alone, the difference between Kirks total and Bradys total was 15,000. Brady lost by 19,000.

One final collar county, Kane.

Kirk got 62,646 votes
Brady got 60,503 votes

There is another 2,000.

You want me to look up DuPage (the largest of the collar counties) or do you just want to admit you either 1) have no idea what you are talking about or 2) are too lazy to actually look things up.

Posted by: Mallamutt at November 05, 2010 04:16 PM (OWjjx)

814 791 You don't like Castle; we get it. I don't like him either, but that doesn't mean I care of O'Donnell any more than him.
I very much wanted Coons defeated -- in that instance while having reservations about O'Donnell I wanted to see her win. But that is no longer the situation, and now she will not shut up (and her talk is not about Coons or the Dems or Obama, but the GOP -- which is the opposition to those). My reservations are quickly turning into extreme distaste.

Posted by: unknown jane at November 05, 2010 04:17 PM (5/yRG)

815 * I don't think War is even a RINO, he voted for Obama if he's this bent out of shape over Castle not winning.*

War has officially been ex-communicated by the Republican Purity Brigade. Quick, war, you better say three Our Sean's and five Hail Palin's!

Posted by: Republican Purity Brigade,, Erick Erickson, Batallion Leader at November 05, 2010 04:17 PM (oj52M)

816 Tea Party's gonna goose the Elephant whenever it wants too from now on. Better get used to it dumbo.

It was the tea party that pulled the sad, half-stunned, wide-eyed, disoriented, elephant out of the ditch and dusted off his ennui.

While the tea party was growing stronger and pulling, Obama helpfully got behind the fallen elephant and pushed.... albeit unintentionally....with the amazing repelling power of his grotesquely hard left euro-style policies, his mega-bill enabling, and his growing narcissistic personality disorder that allows him to tells us how what he's doing right now is exactly what we'll all want once the media assisted reeducation process makes our minds right.

Sadly I'm not talking about the country's economy being out of the ditch. That's still in the ditch for the time being. That's probably going to take a lot of lifting and pushing for years to come. What's out of the ditch, again for the time being, is the republican party's chances of being relevant and useful if they can keep their stupid face pointed AWAY from the ditch while slap fighting with the Tea Party who saved them over some much needed goosing.

You can think it all that over while I drink this Slurpee(TM).

Posted by: cackfinger at November 05, 2010 04:17 PM (TUBcJ)

817 One lesson learned: we should avoid the behavior/attitude of some of Castle supporters if we want to win in 2012.

Posted by: LAI at November 05, 2010 04:17 PM (UEE89)

818 If you guys don't want 3rd parties cropping up, you'll have to stop supporting Mike Castles types. That's new reality. The GOP choose to prop up Mike Castle and they got O'Donnel instead. They could learn a lesson from this and start propping up conservative Republicans in the future. Or they can just continue to bash the base that voted against Mike Castle.

Posted by: Matt X at November 05, 2010 04:18 PM (kcNAu)

819 * If you guys don't want 3rd parties cropping up, you'll have to stop supporting Mike Castles types. That's new reality. The GOP choose to prop up Mike Castle and they got O'Donnel instead. They could learn a lesson from this and start propping up conservative Republicans in the future. Or they can just continue to bash the base that voted against Mike Castle.*

If you guys don't elect candidates who'll lose, I'll vote for another candidate who will lose. I'm THAT determined to lose.

Posted by: Purity! at November 05, 2010 04:18 PM (oj52M)

820 Posted by: Hollowpoint at November 05, 2010 04:09 PM (plsiE)


You keep bringing up the AK senate race. You ought to be happy that your preferred RINO squish Skeezah McCokewhore is currently in the lead.

Posted by: ol_dirty_/b/tard at November 05, 2010 04:19 PM (Vl+Ts)

821 You want me to look up DuPage (the largest of the collar counties) or do you just want to admit you either 1) have no idea what you are talking about or 2) are too lazy to actually look things up.


Oh shit, too late, I went ahead and looked up DuPage.

Ready for a surprise.

Kirk 163,391
Brady 154,537

the difference slightly under 9,000 votes. So, that is 13,000 from the other collar counties, add 9,000 from DuPage and instead of being down 19,000, Brady is up 3,000.

And there is still one more collar county to go..

Posted by: Mallamutt at November 05, 2010 04:19 PM (OWjjx)

822 Ace, DrewM, and War are crying because this guy didn't lose. He also opposed repealing ObamaCare, a big reason why O'Donnel trounced him.
His impressive record, per Ace and DrewM:
Voted YES on TARPVoted YES on Cap and TradeVoted YES on Cash for ClunkersVoted YES on the auto bailoutVoted YES on bailing out Fannie and FreddieVoted YES on SCHIP (w/ tax increase)Voted YES to increase taxes on oil and gas companiesVoted YES to increase the minimum wageVoted NO to open up ANWRVoted YES on the pork-infested 2005 Highway billVoted NO to restrict eminent domain abuseVoted YES to increase funding for PBSVoted YES on the Medicare drug benefitVoted YES on No Child Left BehindVoted YES on McCain-FeingoldVoted NO to end milk subsidiesVoted NO on waiving Davis-Bacon labor rules

Posted by: Matt X at November 05, 2010 04:20 PM (kcNAu)

823 Posted by: Mallamutt at November 05, 2010 04:16 PM (OWjjx)


Hilarious! I actually invoked you as a secondary authority in my post, and BAM there you are. Seriously though, thanks for backing up my point.

Posted by: Jeff B. at November 05, 2010 04:20 PM (NjYDy)

824 "I think it had more to do with the fact that 1, she wasn't bright (at all), 2, she had no accomplishments whatsoever (and yes, people do want to know someone's actually done something to earn the right to be one of 100 in the Senate), 3, she had a series of bizarre statements from her past ("mice with fully functioning human brains"), and 4, she couldn't articulate a conservative message in a way that sounded appealing or intelligent.

And 5 -- I want a strict accounting of how her campaign donations were spent. Know what I mean? I'd like to know if any money was squirreled away for "future campaigns.""

Right. Because God knows you can't get elected to Congress with any or all of those problems.

Bullshit. Absolute bullshit. Congress is filled, on both sides, with people who fit some or all of that description perfectly. None of it kept or keeps them from being elected.

So, we've established that none of that is disqualifying. Which leaves us with the question, why the GOP establishment fear and loathing of O'Donnell? Or Palin, for that matter?

Why?

It's a rhetorical question; we have a pretty good idea of the answer.

Posted by: tsj017 at November 05, 2010 04:21 PM (4YUWF)

825 Exit
polling taken among an electorate that just handed a 17-point
ass-whoopin' to the Republican candidate, taken after six weeks of
seeing Coons look like the Second Coming compared to his opponent?

Yeah ... there's a reliable indicator.


Posted by: Walt Gilbert at November 05, 2010 04:15 PM (PmZ9N)
In other words, you're just making things up. You got called.

Posted by: blindside at November 05, 2010 04:21 PM (x7g7t)

826 If you guys don't elect candidates who'll lose, I'll vote for another candidate who will lose. I'm THAT determined to lose.

We are determined to march to victory with warriors like Castle, Chaffee, Murkowski under the guidance/advice of our former warriors Jefford and Specter.

Posted by: LAI at November 05, 2010 04:21 PM (UEE89)

827 *He also opposed repealing ObamaCare, a big reason why O'Donnel trounced him.*

Oh bullshit. He said it couldn't be done under the circumstances that were likely to occur. If you get ObamaCare repealed in the next two years, I'll personally donate to Christine O'Donnell's house err campaign err slush fund.

Just another one of the shitty things the O'Donnellites spread. Like the lies about him wanting to impeach George Bush and the "He's an unfaithful QUEER dontchaknow!!"

Posted by: Chris in Va at November 05, 2010 04:21 PM (oj52M)

828 Yeah ... there's a reliable indicator.

As good as any other, and better than most. Remember, this guy couldn't get his own party to vote for him.

Posted by: toby928 at November 05, 2010 04:22 PM (S5YRY)

829 @ 816
-- Have yo behaved any better than Mark Levin so far? Hide behind Levin if you want. But it is not constructive at best!

Seems to me that Mark Levin is in a MUCH better position to stop the bloodletting than Walt Gilbert.

Posted by: Walt Gilbert at November 05, 2010 04:22 PM (PmZ9N)

830 You sir are a genius! There were no other posts on
this site about any races in the country. It was all pretty much music
and sports all the time.Do you even fucking read this site?What I said was there was typically zero posts on races where the outcome was not in doubt.

Posted by: DrewM. at November 05, 2010 04:13 PM (HicGG)
Thanks for the reasoned argument DrewM. There's no reason to think that you or anyone else have performed any kind of special treatment of the COD race. Even though you just up above said that you DID provide special treatment of the race because Rush and Levin were boosting COD inappropriately, in order to defend true conservatism.Let me know when I am supposed to forget your previous positions and replace them with new ones. A hand signal or something.

Posted by: Oldcat at November 05, 2010 04:22 PM (z1N6a)

831 Posted by: Matt X at November 05, 2010 04:20 PM (kcNAu)
BORING!!!!!!

Posted by: Homer Simpson, borrowing the big fonts at November 05, 2010 04:22 PM (OWjjx)

832 Posted by: Mary in LA at November 05, 2010 04:15 PM (JYxmy)

I sometimes forget this but since there's so many new people here I should try and remember it....I don't run, own or work for this blog. I commented here for awhile and through a combination of bribery, blackmail and Ace's inherent laziness, I got the chance to post on the front page. But at heart, I'm a commenter. Sometimes the comments get heated here. Or at least they used to. I admit I don't spend as much time in the comments as I once did because when I have blog time, I usually spend it looking for something to post, not hanging out. Maybe the vibe has changed and I missed it.

As for power...I can't ban anyone and no one gets banned anyway unless they really cross the line in terms of language.

When one of the co-bloggers and even Ace is in the comments, it's as a commenter, not a scold laying down the party line that people have to toe or get lost. We all like politics and we all like arguing about them, it's why we're here. Sometimes it gets personal but that's not new and it's not meant to be punitive.

Posted by: DrewM. at November 05, 2010 04:23 PM (HicGG)

833 *Voted YES on the pork-infested 2005 Highway bill*

I resent that.

Posted by: Zombie Ted Stevens at November 05, 2010 04:23 PM (oj52M)

834 Seems to me that Mark Levin is in a MUCH better position to stop the bloodletting than Walt Gilbert.

True, but it is still a lesson learned if we want to win in 2012.

Posted by: LAI at November 05, 2010 04:23 PM (UEE89)

835 And pinning Miller's loss on O'Donnell is rich.
Miller didn't lose to democrats, he lost to the Alaskan Mafia, who are a bunch of Republicans.

Posted by: Entropy at November 05, 2010 04:23 PM (IsLT6)

836
M M's instead of a long post mortem, grab a bottle of valu rite and let's think of candidates for the 21 Democrat held and 2 independent (ha) seats that are in play in 2012. It should be a fucking field day.

D1) Feinstein-California
D2) Carper-Delaware
D3**) Nelson-Florida

D4) Akaka-Hawaii.

D5*) Cardin-Maryland.

D6**) Stabenow-Michigan.

D7*) Klobuchar-Minnesota.


D8**) McCaskill-Missouri.

D9**) Tester-Montana.

D10**) Nelson-Nebraska.


D11*) Menendez-New Jersey.

D12) Bingaman-New Mexico.

D13) Gillibrand- New York.


D14*) Conrad-North Dakota.

D15**) Brown-Ohio.

D16**) Casey-Pennsylvania.

D17) Whitehouse-Rhode Island.


D18*) Webb-Virginia.

D19*) Cantwell-Washington.


D20*) Manchin-West Virginia.

D21*) Kohl-Wisconsin.

The 2 Independent seats in play in 2012 :
I1) Lieberman-Conn.

I2) Sanders-Vermont.

Posted by: Hedgehog at November 05, 2010 04:24 PM (oQIfB)

837 D2) Carper-Delaware
Castle should run again. He will be an automatic winner!

Posted by: LAI at November 05, 2010 04:25 PM (UEE89)

838 *D18*) Webb-Virginia.*

I kind of doubt Webb runs again actually. We'll see. Not sure who would replace him. Maybe Timmy! Kaine. Though he's not even popular with Dems these days...

Posted by: Chris in Va at November 05, 2010 04:25 PM (oj52M)

839 Posted by: Oldcat at November 05, 2010 04:22 PM (z1N6a)

Oh for fucks sake. I said there would have been zero posts if Castle ran. We stayed away from O'Donnell to avoid disunity. Now there's a legit discussion to be had without hurting the race and we're having it.

They are not contradictory since they are different things entirely.

Anyway, have a nice day, I've got people coming over and need to get ready.

Posted by: DrewM. at November 05, 2010 04:25 PM (HicGG)

840 Posted by: DrewM. at November 05, 2010 04:23 PM (HicGG)

Ah, now I understand. Thanks! :-)

Posted by: Mary in LA at November 05, 2010 04:26 PM (NGf/6)

841 @ 842
-- Except that any dumbass knows going into the primary, Castle had a substantial lead among the general electorate. Christine O'Donnell was trailing by, oh, 25 points. She continued campaigning after the primary and managed to pick up a grand total of 8 points.

So, one can easily extrapolate from that fact that, had Castle continued to campaign, he'd have at least held his lead among the general electorate, and hence won. The thing about not campaigning is that it tends to cause your level of support to drop. That's why people campaign instead of not campaigning when they run for office.

Posted by: Walt Gilbert at November 05, 2010 04:26 PM (PmZ9N)

842 These guys don't want to debate the issues. Which candidate is right on the issues? They run their mouth about everything but the issues. Show me the evidence that Castle would have have voted with most Republicans. The fact that he calls himself a Republican is a lie. Can anybody tell me where the guy differs from Coons? You'd have to split hairs on some minor issue to find a difference.

Posted by: Matt X at November 05, 2010 04:26 PM (kcNAu)

843 Posted by: Hedgehog at November 05, 2010 04:24 PM (oQIfB)
And stop the circular firing squad..seriously.

Oh, how about this for bringing Peace and Harmony to the Force:

ODONELL/CASTLE 2012

Now, everyone can be happy!

Posted by: Mallamutt at November 05, 2010 04:27 PM (OWjjx)

844 *Christine O'Donnell was trailing by, oh, 25 points. She continued campaigning after the primary and managed to pick up a grand total of 8 points.*

I was up 60 points before that meanie Karl Rove slimed me.

Posted by: Christine O'Donnell at November 05, 2010 04:27 PM (oj52M)

845 *ODONELL/CASTLE 2012*

I think O'DONNELL/PALIN sounds like the True Constitutional Conservative Ticket.

Posted by: Sean Hannity at November 05, 2010 04:28 PM (oj52M)

846 855
In other words, you're just making things up. You got called.

No, an "exit poll" of a race that isn't even on the ballot is "just making things up".


Posted by: The War Between the Undead States at November 05, 2010 04:25 PM (XrCW4)
The question was asked and answered during exit polling. It is documented.
Making a statement that Mike Castle would have won that seat is making things up. As pointed out, he couldn't even win 50% + 1 of his PARTY primary.

Posted by: blindside at November 05, 2010 04:29 PM (x7g7t)

847 The thing about not campaigning is that it tends to cause your level of
support to drop. That's why people campaign instead of not campaigning
when they run for office.

He didn't campaign that hard in the primary then. Using the same logic, he was responsible for losing the primary. How can he lost to a lousy candidate like CO?

Posted by: LAI at November 05, 2010 04:29 PM (UEE89)

848 *Posted by: Christine O'Donnell 2012 (and 2014, and 2018, and 2020, etc. etc. etc.) at November 05, 2010 04:28 PM (XrCW4)*

We need to get off-year elections like Virginia and New Jersey. Once every two years isn't enough. BMW's are expensive you know!

Posted by: Christine O'Donnell at November 05, 2010 04:29 PM (oj52M)

849 I never heard anybody say Castle is a homo until now. O'Donnel told the guy he needed to man up, but that's not calling him gay is it? I think we have some sensitive gay people on this webiste today.

Posted by: Matt X at November 05, 2010 04:30 PM (kcNAu)

850 I liked COD. She didn't sound stupid if you listened to her points and forgot that she's hot. Her Greta interviews were great. However, I just hope she goes away now.
Blaming her for other losses is stupid. Like someone said, Rossi lost twice before COD.The opposite argument could be made that the focus on her, kept the MFM from trashing others.

Posted by: Schwalbe at November 05, 2010 04:30 PM (UU0OF)

851 Posted by: Jeff B. at November 05, 2010 04:20 PM (NjYDy)
I have Zen like powers.

Your welcome.

Seriously, I have no dog in this fight. I think Castle wasnt a great candidate, I think ODonnell wasnt a great candidate.

And this argument is largely irrelevant since neither Castle or ODonnell will be in the Senate anytime real soon.

The only thing that this race is going to accomplish is that all the states with late primaries are going to move them up in order to choke out the insurgent campaigners

Posted by: Mallamutt at November 05, 2010 04:30 PM (OWjjx)

852 Nice to see Christine O'Donnell's never-ending mission to blame everyone but herself continues. Onward to the next campaign!

Posted by: robviously at November 05, 2010 04:30 PM (7UMow)

853 You keep bringing up the AK senate race. You ought to be happy that your preferred RINO squish Skeezah McCokewhore is currently in the lead.
Had you bothered reading any of the comment threads on the matter, you'd know that you're wrong. And borderline retarded.
The reason I bring up AK is because it was another case of Palin and the TPE propping up a weak candidate. That's a race that a "pure" Republican could've won, but didn't simply because of poor judgement in candidate selection.
It's not my intent to bash Palin or the Tea Party movement, but they fucked up and those of us who aren'tmindlessly blind followers recognize it for what it is- a mistake not to be repeated.

Posted by: Hollowpoint at November 05, 2010 04:30 PM (plsiE)

854 I'm kinda with DrewM on this one, Ace avoided Delaware like the plague except, in my opinion, to try to create harmony if possible. I think there were a few posts early that were critical of what was going on but after the primary Ace held his fire.

Posted by: Dr. Spank at November 05, 2010 04:30 PM (Y81Xa)

855 Matt X: you said earlier that you are from South Carolina. I am too, from Moncks Corner. Could you please tell me where in S.C.? And what kind of business you run? Because I'd love to do business with you--as I would with all COD supporters--because your "principles" apparently lead you to believe that in the real world, 0 (Coon's conservative votes) is greater than 30 (Worst-case scenario of Castle's) . And like I say, anyone who believes that is someone I want to have financial transactions with.

Posted by: MikeinAmman at November 05, 2010 04:31 PM (elcpe)

856 I think O'DONNELL/PALIN sounds like the True Constitutional Conservative Ticket.

No I think MURKOSKI/SNOWE would be better for conservatism and the country.

Posted by: LAI at November 05, 2010 04:31 PM (UEE89)

857 Castle did vote for a resolution that would allow for a vote on impeaching Bush. Castle supporters want to distort this, just as they want to lie about his not supporting repeal of Obamacare. If you look at his overall record, there's no logical reason to believe he would vote to repeal it.

Posted by: Matt X at November 05, 2010 04:31 PM (kcNAu)

858 Yup, that Mike Castle's a real RINO -- a RINO who would have coasted to victory without embarrassing his party over and over and over...

Posted by: Virginia Bob at November 05, 2010 04:32 PM (xh3gA)

859 All this talk about Mark Levin......POLITICO doesn't get enough action, their writers come here?

Posted by: goosey at November 05, 2010 04:33 PM (kgs/Q)

860 Drew, remember that this is Ace's site.AFAIK, it's his livelihood.Playing cock of the walk on someone else's dime is normally a firing offence.

Posted by: Alec Baldwin at November 05, 2010 04:33 PM (81mjT)

861 Matt X, the man who has copied and pasted the same post 10 times now, says people do not want to debate the real issue. Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha.

Oh, fuck, you were serious oh HA HA HA HA HA

Hey, dude, try not reposting the same shit time and after time and after time and maybe someone will engage you. Otherwise, it is like arguing with my 12 year old son after I told him no. Its then same argument, with Dad saying no.

Posted by: Mallamutt at November 05, 2010 04:33 PM (OWjjx)

862 How long until COD ends up replacing Parker on Spitzer /Parker as the "conservative" voice? To continually rub conservatives' faces in it?
Maybe a regular "conservative" fixture on Real Time w/ Bill Maher?
Our hell has only begun with COD. Meghan McCain raised to the 10th power.

Posted by: turtle at November 05, 2010 04:33 PM (lHn6+)

863 It's not my intent to bash Palin or the Tea Party movement, but they
fucked up and those of us who aren'tmindlessly blind followers
recognize it for what it is- a mistake not to be repeated.

Another lesson to be learned: not to nominate someone like Castle who was one of those who gave us the debacles of 2006/2008.

Posted by: LAI at November 05, 2010 04:33 PM (UEE89)

864 *Castle did vote for a resolution that would allow for a vote on impeaching Bush. Castle supporters want to distort this, just as they want to lie about his not supporting repeal of Obamacare. If you look at his overall record, there's no logical reason to believe he would vote to repeal it.*

Bullshit

Even The Saint of True Conservatism, that Oracle of Wisdom himself, Erick Fucking Erickson, admitted that Castle voted for that tactically because they wanted to make the Dems have to actually own their kookery by letting it get to the floor.

And no matter how many times you repeat Castle did not want to repeal HCR, the statement remains as full of holes as O'Donnell's resume.

Posted by: Chris in Va at November 05, 2010 04:34 PM (oj52M)

865 It's total bullshit that they avoided O'Donnel, especially during the primary. They were fucking quoting Castle's talking points verbatim. IS there diversity of thought on this website? It seems like the other bloggers just parrot whatever Ace says. You'd think at least one conservative on this blog would be anti-Castle:
Voted YES on TARPVoted YES on Cap and TradeVoted YES on Cash for ClunkersVoted YES on the auto bailoutVoted YES on bailing out Fannie and FreddieVoted YES on SCHIP (w/ tax increase)Voted YES to increase taxes on oil and gas companiesVoted YES to increase the minimum wageVoted NO to open up ANWRVoted YES on the pork-infested 2005 Highway billVoted NO to restrict eminent domain abuseVoted YES to increase funding for PBSVoted YES on the Medicare drug benefitVoted YES on No Child Left BehindVoted YES on McCain-FeingoldVoted NO to end milk subsidiesVoted NO on waiving Davis-Bacon labor rules

Posted by: Matt X at November 05, 2010 04:35 PM (kcNAu)

866 Posted by: Matt X at November 05, 2010 04:31 PM (kcNAu)
Dude, every Republican on that committee voted for that impeachment resolution to send it off to committee so it could die.

Your basic lack of understanding of the parliamentary procedures that Congress operates by is only shadowed by your lack of being able to generate a new argument.

As I have had said, there is fair criticism of Mike Castle. That is not one of them.

Posted by: Mallamutt at November 05, 2010 04:35 PM (OWjjx)

867 860
@ 842
-- Except that any dumbass knows going into the primary, Castle had a
substantial lead among the general electorate. Christine O'Donnell was
trailing by, oh, 25 points. She continued campaigning after the
primary and managed to pick up a grand total of 8 points.

So,
one can easily extrapolate from that fact that, had Castle continued to
campaign, he'd have at least held his lead among the general
electorate, and hence won. The thing about not campaigning is that it
tends to cause your level of support to drop. That's why people
campaign instead of not campaigning when they run for office.


Posted by: Walt Gilbert at November 05, 2010 04:26 PM (PmZ9N)
Fair enough, but that is speculation, not a fact. There is no given that Castle would have won the general. We have hard, documented numbers stating the opposite.
Consider, that as election day got closer, we saw a number of healthy leads simply evaporate. (Rase in WV, Toomey, Miller, etc). I'm not making this up, and it's possible that the same would have happened to Castle as well.Given that Urquhart lost by nearly identical margins and identical percentages, I don't think DE would have sent Castle to the Senate. It wasn't O'Donnell they didn't like - it was Republicans.

Posted by: blindside at November 05, 2010 04:35 PM (x7g7t)

868 FreeRepublic banned me, thought I was a liberal.

Posted by: Matt X at November 05, 2010 04:36 PM (kcNAu)

869 887 Posted by: Matt X

Dude. You're stealing my show.

Posted by: Gregggggggggggggggggory at November 05, 2010 04:36 PM (oj52M)

870 @ 852 -- True, but it is still a lesson learned if we want to win in 2012.

My point is that it would be a considerably more valuable lesson if it were learned by Mark Levin than it would be if learned by me. I'm only capable of alienating a few conservatives at a time. Levin on the other hand ...

@ 866 -- You're one of those people who asks a lot of questions at the movies, aren't you?

Posted by: Walt Gilbert at November 05, 2010 04:36 PM (PmZ9N)

871 885


And no matter how many times you repeat Castle did not want to repeal
HCR, the statement remains as full of holes as O'Donnell's resume.

Posted by: Chris in Va at November 05, 2010 04:34 PM (oj52M)
And thanks to her latest campaign, she actually has enough money to get that resume printed on nice paper!

Posted by: robviously at November 05, 2010 04:38 PM (7UMow)

872 Given that Urquhart lost by nearly identical margins and identical
percentages, I don't think DE would have sent Castle to the Senate. It
wasn't O'Donnell they didn't like - it was Republicans.

Given that the Del GOP was attacking their own nominee. That would help other candidates! Looks like they hated CO so much that they were willing to risk losing everything with her.

Posted by: LAI at November 05, 2010 04:38 PM (UEE89)

873
I'm still trying to understand why, If Castle was so obviously the right choice, he didn't win the primary. I'm also trying to understand how O'Donnell was able to raise so much money so fast if she is the complete idiot she's made out to be. Oh well, doesn't matter now anyway.

Wait! In a bulletin just handed me ..... it is now official, the democrat incumbent has won the race for Mecklenburg County dog catcher, defeating the Tea Party backed republican challenger. Experts are blaming O'Donnell.

Posted by: VADM (Red) Cuthbert Collingwood RN at November 05, 2010 04:39 PM (UL/HQ)

874 @ 866 -- You're one of those people who asks a lot of questions at the movies, aren't you?


Posted by: Walt Gilbert at November 05, 2010 04:36 PM (PmZ9N)
No, I'm one of the guys who gets annoyed by movies that break their own rules.

Posted by: blindside at November 05, 2010 04:40 PM (x7g7t)

875 VADM - are you in Charlotte?

Who is our dogcatcher now?

Posted by: blindside at November 05, 2010 04:41 PM (x7g7t)

876 As more and more voters wake up, regardless of alleged party affiliation, people will be held accountable for their record. Castle's record was terrible, coons would have won anyway. The dem machine went full throttle in DE and the republicans lead by that fatso, decided to leave christine swinging in the wind. So you republicans got exactly what you deserved.

Posted by: curious at November 05, 2010 04:41 PM (p302b)

877 Oh I just noticed this THAT I KEEP REPOSTING THE SAME THING NO MATTER HOW FUCKING ANNOYING IT IS CAUSE I ASSUME EVERYONE IS AS GOD DAMN DUMB AS I AM AND I NEED TO BE TOLD 5 OR 6 TIMES A DAY THAT IF I EAT CHEETOS AND MASTURBATE MY GOD DAMN DICK IS GOING TO TURN ORANGE

Posted by: Matt X, Mailing It In at November 05, 2010 04:41 PM (OWjjx)

878 " Making an effort to nominate electable candidates? Crazy talk. "

Electable candidates that vote like Castle's record shows he voted, might as well be democrats. A "majority" that crosses over most of the time is a FAKE majority.

Fuck 'em and fuck those who want 'em hanging around in the Republican ticket too.

I don't care if people like that are on my side or not because they help the other side more than they help mine.

No matter what party label they paste on their forehead to confuse the ideologically lost THEY STILL HELP TO MOVE SHIT LEFT WHEN THEY WIN JUST LIKE THE DEMOCRATS DO WHEN THEY WIN.

They are MORE PRONE TO CROSSOVER VOTE on core issues when they CAN MASSIVELY BENEFIT from BEING THE CROSSOVER VOTER or WHEN THE PRESS AND DEMOCRATS ARE PRESSURING THEM WITH lame accusations about hating babies or old people or the planet earth or being a tool of oil companies.

They are untrustworthy prima-donnas who do not deserve support from conservatives. It's not a matter of if they will shank you but when and how often.

Stop the madness. This pseudo-stockholm syndrome is probably curable. Identifying with your opposition is NOT going to help you win a damned thing except disappointment, disgrace, and disengagement from the conservative base.

Electing people who will cheerfully turn around and fuck you ad hold your values in contempt, just because they are electable and superficially affiliate with your party name is not necessary, helpful, reasonable, "serious", or smart. It's just delusional.

Posted by: cackfinger at November 05, 2010 04:42 PM (TUBcJ)

879 *I'm still trying to understand why, If Castle was so obviously the right choice, he didn't win the primary. I'm also trying to understand how O'Donnell was able to raise so much money so fast if she is the complete idiot she's made out to be. Oh well, doesn't matter now anyway. *

Because a ton of out-of-state resources and talking heads with no understanding of the race started pushing her. And also, frankly, in fairness, because he fucked up. Never in a million years did he think he'd have to deal with that kook so he figured the best way to handle it was to ignore her (which is usually true). By the time the NRSC convinced him to go on offense in mid-August it was too late. He was three points under his target totals in New Castle County and that translated to his margin statewide.

Posted by: Chris in Va at November 05, 2010 04:44 PM (oj52M)

880 Waiting for a thousand...

Posted by: mmnowakjr85 at November 05, 2010 04:44 PM (ls5BU)

881 @ 894 -- Looks like they hated CO so much that they were willing to risk losing everything with her.

The same could be said of CO's supporters' feelings toward Castle.

Posted by: Walt Gilbert at November 05, 2010 04:45 PM (PmZ9N)

882 Why is COD being singled out by Ace and Drew?

Possibly to distract us from remembering that they touted Miller and Bielat--who, ultimately, were both unelectable losers (by the Ace/Drew standard).

I seem to recall Ace popping multiple Ewok boners over Bielat. And he wasn't even close.

Let's do the math, shall we?

Unelectable losers promoted by the COD side: 1

Unelectable losers promoted by Ace/Drew: 2

Good work!

Posted by: tsj017 at November 05, 2010 04:46 PM (4YUWF)

883 Drew, remember that this is Ace's site.AFAIK, it's his
livelihood.Playing cock of the walk on someone else's dime is normally a
firing offence.

Yo buddy, check out who wrote this post. You think Ace doesn't agreee 115% with everything Drew wrote? You think Ace isn't fucking GRATEFUL to have Drew out there making these arguments for him, catching the flak that he otherwise would take?

Posted by: Jeff B. at November 05, 2010 04:47 PM (NjYDy)

884 What a crybaby this woman is. I guess we will have to see her whining her way across all the media outlets for weeks and maybe months. Poor little Christine, everyone is so mean to her.

She lost. She was never a serious contender. She is delusional if she thinks otherwise.

And what about the other Republicans who lost down ticket in DE? Some of them actually thought they had a chance to win before Hurricane Christine came along.

I am so tired of listening to people talk about Castle as if he were a communist. He did not vote to impeach Bush, {although I know some conservatives who seemed to think he should be impeached back before we all became believers in unity and all that} nor did he vote for Obamare or the stimulus. Coons however will vote for everything conservatives do not like, not some of it, but all of it..and he has that chance and that opportunity because Christine O'Donnell was his Republican opponent. So a vote for Christine, turned into a vote for Coons.

But that is not the worst of it, the worst is the incessant whining and pissing and moaning and complaining and demanding and acting all put out that there were actually people out there who did not get behind her. As if she is owed or entitled the support of the people...not as if she had to earn it and failed to do so.

Posted by: Terrye at November 05, 2010 04:49 PM (f8jKx)

885 "cost us three"
What did your chair(s) collapse again?
Hey genius, the reThugs cost themselves the friggin' seat. Note Leeza, Castle, Crist, Dede, Arlen, on and on.
Yeah, she's a freak. California is going to default. Which do you think actually matters?

Posted by: gary gulrud at November 05, 2010 04:49 PM (/g2vP)

886 that Mike Castle's a real RINO -- a RINO who would have coasted to victory

And yet, couldn't win his party's nomination.

Posted by: toby928 at November 05, 2010 04:49 PM (S5YRY)

887 Dagnabbit! Ah should'a lived a mite longah! That there could'a been the Sen. Robert C. Byrd Horrible Vaginal Odor!

Posted by: Robert C. Byrd at November 05, 2010 04:49 PM (xy9wk)

888 Hollowpoint, you're welcome to try to debate me about it, but what I offered was not an argument. It was my Rovian prognostication, just facts as I sees em, just telling you the truth.
I could sit here and tell you all the reasons why I think your strategy is short sighted and self-defeating, same as you think mine is.
By post 800, the 50th time over, everyone ought realize this difference is irreconcilable. We won't agree or convince each other, which is why I'm not really interested in any real debate. We'll have to agree to disagree.
But, just so's you know, what my intentions are.
I - and people like me - will not stop pissing in your punch bowl, no matter how much you bitch about it being counterproductive to what you want, because we're going for what we want. We remembered we don't actually work for you. We're our own agents with our own agenda.
And you're gonna have to deal with us, one way or another.

Posted by: Entropy at November 05, 2010 04:50 PM (IsLT6)

889 If its any consolation to the sane ones, Data finds this thread incredibly amusing.

Posted by: mmnowakjr85 at November 05, 2010 04:52 PM (ls5BU)

890 My point is that it would be a considerably more valuable lesson if it
were learned by Mark Levin than it would be if learned by me. I'm only
capable of alienating a few conservatives at a time. Levin on the other
hand ...

Definitely true, but it is still a lesson to be learned for 2012. Karl Rove also alienated a lot more conservatives now. He didn't seem to learn the lesson at all.

Posted by: LAI at November 05, 2010 04:52 PM (UEE89)

891 @ 907 -- The one thing we can take away from the exit polling is that the GOP was completely idiotic to pass on nominating Justin Beiber. Let's not allow that to happen again.

Posted by: Walt Gilbert at November 05, 2010 04:53 PM (PmZ9N)

892 How do you know when it's time to change your life? When country music begins to make sense to you.
How do you know when it's time to change your political analysis? When you sound like Mort Kondracke, Trent Lott, and Lindsay Graham all rolled into one.
Drek.

Posted by: Carmelita at November 05, 2010 04:53 PM (7CEIi)

893 904
Why is COD being singled out by Ace and Drew?





Possibly to distract us from remembering that they touted Miller and
Bielat--who, ultimately, were both unelectable losers (by the Ace/Drew
standard).




Posted by: tsj017 at November 05, 2010 04:46 PM (4YUWF)
Miller and Bielat aren't crying and blaming everyone but themselves for how their campaigns turned out. Both are successful, intelligent, and accomplished individuals.Princess Christine is a 40 year old woman who has never accomplished anything in her life yet seems to run for the U.S. Senate every chance she gets. And when she loses by 17 points? Well, that's everyone's fault but hers. (Of course!)

Posted by: robviously at November 05, 2010 04:56 PM (7UMow)

894 894
Given that Urquhart lost by nearly identical margins and identical
percentages, I don't think DE would have sent Castle to the Senate. It
wasn't O'Donnell they didn't like - it was Republicans.Given
that the Del GOP was attacking their own nominee. That would help other
candidates! Looks like they hated CO so much that they were willing to
risk losing everything with her
Castle would have won if O'Donnell had not entered the race and had it remained local. But once Sarah Palin and Jim DeMint and Rush and Levin and God only knows who else got involved the whole thing changed. There were Republicans down ticket of her who were supposed to win, but once she ran all sorts of Democrats came out and voted a straight ticket just to get rid of her. A lot of those people would not have bothered to vote if Castle had been the nominee because no one likes Coons and because Castle was a former Governor. People knew him...but since the little princess here just can't stay away from the limelight the whole race became a circus and things changed.

But there is little doubt that Castle would have won...and what is more Toomey would have had a bigger margin. I saw him on an interview not long before the campaign and he made it clear that he did not even know Christine O'Donnell because she was hurting him in neighboring Penn.

As for them attacking their own nominee, it seems to me that she did not exactly do them any good herself. I am tired of this woman constantly playing the victim.

Posted by: Terrye at November 05, 2010 04:56 PM (f8jKx)

895 *How do you know when it's time to change your political analysis?*

When idiotic paranoid scumbag grifter kooks are promoted as THE standard for helping turn the country around.

Posted by: How do you know... at November 05, 2010 04:57 PM (oj52M)

896 918
*How do you know when it's time to change your political analysis?*





When idiotic paranoid scumbag grifter kooks are promoted as THE standard for helping turn the country around.

Posted by: How do you know... at November 05, 2010 04:57 PM (oj52M)
If Christine O'Donnell isn't the Republican nominee for President of the United States in 2012, then the RINOs win.

Posted by: robviously at November 05, 2010 04:58 PM (7UMow)

897 Karl Rove is Geraldo now.

Posted by: goosey at November 05, 2010 04:59 PM (kgs/Q)

898 Castle would have won if O'Donnell had not entered the race and had it remained local.

Yup, we shouldn't have a primary!

But there is little doubt that Castle would have won...and what is more
Toomey would have had a bigger margin. I saw him on an interview not
long before the campaign and he made it clear that he did not even know
Christine O'Donnell because she was hurting him in neighboring Penn.

Yup, for the 3rd time. Sestak was running a 30s ad tying Toomey to China for his support for free trade. That resonated. We need to have answer for 2012

Posted by: LAI at November 05, 2010 05:00 PM (UEE89)

899 907

Posted by: Walt Gilbert at November 05, 2010 04:36 PM (PmZ9N)
The
really amusing thing about that "exit poll" of a theoretical race that
never existed is that it matched up Candidate #1, who'd been
campaigning for two solid months, against Candidate #2, who'd quietly
disappeared from sight back in September -- and still produced a one-point "race".If I were supporting Candidate #3, a lady who had been campaigning against Candidate #1 for those two months and ended up losing to him by 17, I don't think I'd be touting that "exit poll" about the theoretical Candidate #2 very loudly.


Posted by: The War Between the Undead States at November 05, 2010 04:49 PM (XrCW4)
I'm not sure what you point is. The statement was made that the seat was lost; I merely used available DATA to debunk the notion that Castle was a slam dunk and point out any other statement to the contrary is speculation.Nothing more, nothing less.We can argue about polling all day, but I really don't believe that seat was winnable. Again, we come back to Urquhart. If it was about O'Donnell being disliked, and not just Republicans in general, people would have split their ticket, yet Urquhart lost by the same margins and percentages as COD.

Posted by: blindside at November 05, 2010 05:00 PM (x7g7t)

900 When idiotic paranoid scumbag grifter kooks are promoted as THE standard for helping turn the country around.
Dude, I'm already on the ground. You can stop hitting me now.

Posted by: strawman at November 05, 2010 05:01 PM (S5YRY)

901 Damn RINOs running this site. Screw Castle. I don't care about COD, but Castle is the one who lost the primary. Blame him. And blame the establishment who didn't want to put up better alternatives. They're the ones that lost those seats.

Posted by: MrX at November 05, 2010 05:01 PM (LEXTW)

902 632
If the GOP would run half as hard as the Tea Party they would have 290 house seats and 67 senators.

Good point. We won despite their half-hearted effort.


Posted by: LAI at November 05, 2010 02:54 PM (R4ub4)

Christine O'Donnell is not the Tea Party. She has been around for years, lost elections for years and then latched onto the Tea Party. If most Tea Party candidates and GOP candidates had been like Christine O'Donnell there would not have been a big victory for the GOP that night. I voted that day, and I do not like this woman. I do not want my support for conservative candidates to be taken for granted by people who think they can run just anybody and claim they have the support of the Tea Party and I will vote for them.

Posted by: Terrye at November 05, 2010 05:02 PM (f8jKx)

903 rincess Christine is a 40 year old woman who has never accomplished
anything in her life yet seems to run for the U.S. Senate every chance
she gets. And when she loses by 17 points? Well, that's everyone's
fault but hers. (Of course!)
No I think all our loss this cycle is due to CO. Why in the world Castle would lose to such a lousy candidate? Using your perfect logic, Castle was one of the heroes for our success in 2006/2008, how can we let CO cause the debacle of 2010?

Posted by: LAI at November 05, 2010 05:02 PM (UEE89)

904 920
Karl Rove is Geraldo now.


Posted by: goosey at November 05, 2010 04:59 PM (kgs/Q)

Yeah right, the man gave his honest opinion. We can't have that now can we?

Posted by: Terrye at November 05, 2010 05:04 PM (f8jKx)

905 " When idiotic paranoid scumbag grifter kooks are promoted as THE standard for helping turn the country around."

More like 'when RINOSs who couldn't win the $#@#ing primary are described as valuable allies destined for victory if not for those meddling kids', and 'when conservatives as described as kooks by the SAME shit headed maggots who claim that they want to help conservatives win' in the after math of conservatives winning big.

Great job!

Posted by: cackfinger at November 05, 2010 05:04 PM (TUBcJ)

906 These guys don't want to debate the issues. Which candidate is right on the issues? They run their mouth about everything but the issues. Show me the evidence that Castle would have have voted with most Republicans. The fact that he calls himself a Republican is a lie. Can anybody tell me where the guy differs from Coons? You'd have to split hairs on some minor issue to find a difference.
If you're not getting the reponses you want , it's because:
A.) You mindlessly spam the same stupid shit over and over.
B.) You are an imbecile. There are smart peolpe here who disagree with my point of view. You are not one of them.
But let's look at your idiotic spam:
TARP: Signed by Republican President2005 Highway bill: Signed by Republican PresidentMedicare drug benefit: Signed by Republican President.McCain-Feingold: Signed by Republican PresidentNo Child Left Behind: Signed by Republican President
A Republican sided with the Republican President? RINO TRAITOR.
But that was during the Bush era. Since then?
Voted with conservatives on Lilly LedbetterVoted with conservatives to opose the StimulusVoted with conservatives to prevent $350 billion in TARP funds from being spent.Voted with conservatives to bar funding from ACORNVoted with conservatives against ObamacareVoted with conservatives to cut funding to Housing and Transportation departmentsVoted with conservatives to ban taxpayer funds from being used for abortion, despite being pro-choice.Voted with conservatives to oppose higher estate taxesVoted with conservatives to repeal TARP.Voted with conservatives against financial industry regulations.
No to the stimulus, no to Obamacare... that's being a rubber stamp for Obama?
Castle's record certainly isn't one of atrue conservative, but anyone (you) claiming that he'd have been a rubber stamp for Obama's policy and no worse than Coons (who you supported over Castle)is batshit crazy.

Posted by: Hollowpoint at November 05, 2010 05:04 PM (plsiE)

907 Mike Castle is the perfect Republican.

Posted by: Northeastern Republicans who don't like those icky unwashed masses at November 05, 2010 05:05 PM (4YUWF)

908 Christine O'Donnell is not the Tea Party. She has been around for years,
lost elections for years and then latched onto the Tea Party. If most
Tea Party candidates and GOP candidates had been like Christine
O'Donnell there would not have been a big victory for the GOP that
night. I voted that day, and I do not like this woman. I do not want my
support for conservative candidates to be taken for granted by people
who think they can run just anybody and claim they have the support of
the Tea Party and I will vote for them.

By the same logic, Castle has been around for years. And using the same logic, Castle is one of those people who gave us 2006/2008. So people don't like to make the same mistake the 3rd time. Maybe if we had someone like Giulianni or Christi, wouldn't have the CO!

Posted by: LAI at November 05, 2010 05:05 PM (UEE89)

909 @ 913 -- I suspect Rove considers himself part of the lesson. I.e., if the people who are ostensibly on your side think it's a good idea to whip up resentment against you, then by all means -- give them something to resent.

Posted by: Walt Gilbert at November 05, 2010 05:05 PM (PmZ9N)

910 Man, you guys are the greatest! I kicked you and our party's asses for eight years. I ran our image into the ground. Yet, you're willing to line up behind me and ride the Titanic once more. Like I said guys...you're the best.

Posted by: Ad rem at November 05, 2010 05:06 PM (By4jG)

911 Yeah right, the man gave his honest opinion. We can't have that now can we?

OK, I regretted that we didn't learn this great lesson from Karl Rove in 2008. We should have given our honest opinions about McCain after the primary!

Posted by: LAI at November 05, 2010 05:06 PM (UEE89)

912 927
920
Karl Rove is Geraldo now.


Posted by: goosey at November 05, 2010 04:59 PM (kgs/Q)
Yeah right, the man gave his honest opinion. We can't have that now can we?


Posted by: Terrye at November 05, 2010 05:04 PM (f8jKx)
Because True Conservatives (TM) always lie to protect Republicans they don't like*. (*unless they're Mike Castle)

Posted by: robviously at November 05, 2010 05:06 PM (7UMow)

913 Yeah right, the man gave his honest opinion. We can't have that now can we?Well, the primary voters of Delaware gave their honest opinion, and Rove and a lot of other people seem quite pissed about it.

Posted by: Entropy at November 05, 2010 05:08 PM (IsLT6)

914 I suspect Rove considers himself part of the lesson. I.e.,
if the people who are ostensibly on your side think it's a good idea to
whip up resentment against you, then by all means -- give them
something to resent.

Sure, we should do that to Karl Rove now. We should learn this lesson from the Castle supporters.

Posted by: LAI at November 05, 2010 05:08 PM (UEE89)

915 926
rincess Christine is a 40 year old woman who has never accomplished
anything in her life yet seems to run for the U.S. Senate every chance
she gets. And when she loses by 17 points? Well, that's everyone's
fault but hers. (Of course!)
No
I think all our loss this cycle is due to CO. Why in the world Castle
would lose to such a lousy candidate? Using your perfect logic, Castle
was one of the heroes for our success in 2006/2008, how can we let CO
cause the debacle of 2010?



Posted by: LAI at November 05, 2010 05:02 PM (UEE89)
So because Mike Castle was in Congress in 2006 and 2008, he needed to be removed? Does that apply to Paul Ryan as well?Say something nice about Christine if you supported her. I've never heard anyone make a pro-O'Donnell argument. So far all her "supporters" are just people exaggerating how terrible Mike Castle would have been in the Senate.

Posted by: robviously at November 05, 2010 05:09 PM (7UMow)

916 For the record, MCPO Airdale you are an incredible jackass. You're also pretty goddamn stupid, but that's only mildly related.You're also not a real conservative, I might point out. Fucking phony.
You can fuck yourself with the barbed cock of Satan. You know nothing about MCPO and aren't fit to shine his shoes you low lifepiece of filth.

Posted by: pajama momma at November 05, 2010 05:09 PM (/Czjb)

917 936

Yeah right, the man gave his honest opinion. We can't have that now can we?Well, the primary voters of Delaware gave their honest opinion, and Rove and a lot of other people seem quite pissed about it.

Posted by: Entropy at November 05, 2010 05:08 PM (IsLT6)
And they were proven right......with a 17 point blowout.

Posted by: robviously at November 05, 2010 05:09 PM (7UMow)

918 *unwashed masses*

Dude that's not cool. We aren't all kooky con artist pathological liars.

Posted by: Unwashed Masses at November 05, 2010 05:10 PM (oj52M)

919 Say something nice about Christine if you supported her. I've never
heard anyone make a pro-O'Donnell argument. So far all her "supporters"
are just people exaggerating how terrible Mike Castle would have been
in the Senate.

Simply she is less bad than Castle! It is more a vote against Castle than for CO. Just like a lot of voters in this cycle voting against Obama and the dems rather than for the Rep. The logic is pretty simple.

Posted by: LAI at November 05, 2010 05:10 PM (UEE89)

920 921
Castle would have won if O'Donnell had not entered the race and had it remained local.

Yup, we shouldn't have a primary!

But there is little doubt that Castle would have won...and what is more
Toomey would have had a bigger margin. I saw him on an interview not
long before the campaign and he made it clear that he did not even know
Christine O'Donnell because she was hurting him in neighboring Penn.

Yup,
for the 3rd time. Sestak was running a 30s ad tying Toomey to China for
his support for free trade. That resonated. We need to have answer for
2012

Toomey and Castle both polled ahead for some time. And then came along O'Donnell and yes, she created a drag on the campaigns of a lot of conservatives. Why do you think the media loves putting her on TV so much? Why do you think the Democrats actually used her in their campaign ads? She was toxic, that is why.
It was not all that long ago that O'Donnell lost a primary and then ran a write in...but then again she is a true conservative so that kind of thing is okay for her to do. And this is the basic problem, her supporters are not capable of seeing her the way everyone else does. I am sure that high profile conservatives pushing her has a lot to do with this, but the truth is she lost because the people of Delaware did not want or like her. It had nothing to do with the GOP or the NRSC or Castle.

And for someone who is always whining about media bias, she sure has hell does not have a problem putting herself in front of a camera.

Posted by: Terrye at November 05, 2010 05:11 PM (f8jKx)

921 @ 937 -- Sure, we should do that to Karl Rove now. We should learn this lesson from the Castle supporters.

I thought I'd made it clear by now, but sure. I'm game.

Posted by: Walt Gilbert at November 05, 2010 05:12 PM (PmZ9N)

922 942
Say something nice about Christine if you supported her. I've never
heard anyone make a pro-O'Donnell argument. So far all her "supporters"
are just people exaggerating how terrible Mike Castle would have been
in the Senate.

Simply she is less bad than Castle! It is
more a vote against Castle than for CO. Just like a lot of voters in
this cycle voting against Obama and the dems rather than for the Rep.
The logic is pretty simple.


Posted by: LAI at November 05, 2010 05:10 PM (UEE89)
Actually it was more a vote for Coons since that's who became the Senator-elect.

Posted by: robviously at November 05, 2010 05:12 PM (7UMow)

923 And they were proven right......with a 17 point blowout.
They WERE right.
They said she best represented their interests.
Guess what? She best represented their interests... whether she won or not. It's called "democracy". Google it. They have that perogative.
Turns out, they don't work for you either! Fancy that.

Posted by: Entropy at November 05, 2010 05:12 PM (IsLT6)

924 *I've never heard anyone make a pro-O'Donnell argument.*

I have...it goes something like this..

"She stepped up to run"

OK. A few others who "stepped up" to run -

-The bearded Marxist. Oops. Sen-elect Bearded Marxist. If only something could have been done about that.
-Alvin Greene.

Posted by: Chris in Va at November 05, 2010 05:13 PM (oj52M)

925 I've never heard anyone make a pro-O'Donnell argument.

She won the primary, and she is hot, but mostly, she won the primary.

That's why I sent her a Cnote from Alabama, where, on Tuesday night, we crushed our enemies, drove them before us, and heard the lamentation of the women.

Posted by: toby928 at November 05, 2010 05:13 PM (S5YRY)

926 Actually it was more a vote for Coons since that's who became the Senator-elect.

We applied this logic before and we got 2006 and 2008. Using your logic, DE is so blue that only Castle can win. So in fact he is not that far from Coons. He even received money from Soros. He is in his 70s. So this may be his last term and a seat warmer for Biden 's son anyway. He is very prone to damage us by his bipartisanship. We got Specter, Jeffords, and Lincohn Chaffee. You still have Murkowski now as replacement for Castle.

Posted by: LAI at November 05, 2010 05:15 PM (UEE89)

927 *Rep. Mike Castle said Thursday he'll always question his decision not to run a write-in campaign for the Senate seat that Democrat Chris Coons won Tuesday evening.*

Posted by: Chris in Va at November 05, 2010 05:16 PM (oj52M)

928 *We applied this logic before and we got 2006 and 2008.*

We applied the "It's just as well McCain lost so American can learn and we can get a new Reagan" logic in 2008 and got ObamaCare and two left-wing judges for life.

Posted by: Chris in Va at November 05, 2010 05:17 PM (oj52M)

929 @ 710 and 829

Not knowing what you are talking about really hasn't stopped you or your pal so thanks for making me feel at home. "A race that he won because he got moderate voters in the Collar counties to split their tickets and vote for him while also voting for Pat Quinn." Allows for the clear inference that your buddy was trying to say that Kirk won in areas that Brady did not. Fine, I'll grant the benefit of the doubt, since you provided your bff a lifeline and he's grabbing on to it for all he's worth. So, let's indeed look at DuPage in light of the theory that it is meaningful to consider the fact that Kirk may have managed to split away some number of Quinn voters who would, in your formulation, have voted for the mobster. Let's indeed look at DuPage:

Mark Steven Kirk R R 163391
Alexi Giannoulias D D 106053

Bill Brady R R 154537
Pat Quinn D D 109725

Let's do some subtraction. 163391 (Kirk actual) - 154537 (Brady) = 8854 (theoretical split votes).
Let's do some addition now. 106053 (Giannoulias actual ) + 8854 (theoretical split votes) = 118579 (hypothetical Giannoulias vote total if not split).
And, finally, some subtraction, 163391 (Kirk actual) - 8854 (theoretical split votes) = 154537 (Kirk fantasy vote). So, the hypothetical result is:

Mark Steven Kirk R R 154537
Alexi Giannoulias D D 118579

And this is meaningful how? Here, let me help the both of you: it's meaningful for people trying to cover up an error. Would have been better to let your bf admit to an error than throw him a leaded life-line that shows that he's just blowing smoke to cover his axe grinding. Feel free to look up the other county totals and do post your results. It's fun to watch how desperate some get to avoid admitting an error. Oh, and next time, before you go stroking each other's dicks, fuck off and remember that you twins aren't the only ones that live in Madiganistan.

Posted by: Former Tenant at November 05, 2010 05:17 PM (tpzGL)

930 Mike Castle had never lost an election in Delaware. Ever.

He's lost that distinction now.

Posted by: toby928 at November 05, 2010 05:18 PM (S5YRY)

931 @ 950 -- Now try applying that logic along with the points supplied by Hollowpoint, here: 929

Strikes me as plenty logical.

Posted by: Walt Gilbert at November 05, 2010 05:18 PM (PmZ9N)

932 I'm sorry, I meant Karl Rove is Meghan McCain now.

Posted by: goosey at November 05, 2010 05:20 PM (kgs/Q)

933 I - and people like me - will not stop pissing in your punch bowl, no matter how much you bitch about it being counterproductive to what you want, because we're going for what we want. We remembered we don't actually work for you. We're our own agents with our own agenda.
And you're gonna have to deal with us, one way or another.
Could you at least explain what this "we" versus "you" thing is? I don't get it.
Are we not on the same side in wanting to promote conservative principles? Is electing people who are more conservative than their Dem opponent not part of that somehow? I honestly don't know where you're coming from.
Castle wasn't very conservative. I get it, and I agree. I simply fail to see the benefit to actions and decisions that resulted in a less conservative Senate.

Posted by: Hollowpoint at November 05, 2010 05:21 PM (plsiE)

934 We applied the "It's just as well McCain lost so American can learn and
we can get a new Reagan" logic in 2008 and got ObamaCare and two
left-wing judges for life.

No, we worked furiously against McCain in 2008 in the primary. Once he was our nominee, even Rush Limbaugh was trying to drag him over the finish line. Sean Hannity didn't get on TV and speak the truth about McCain. We were stupid back then. We should have learned the lesson from Rove and Castle supporters. We should have let people who gave us the McCain problem win the election themselves!

Posted by: LAI at November 05, 2010 05:22 PM (UEE89)

935 Even more than that War:

1966 - Elected to Delaware State House
1968 - Elected to Delaware State Senate
1975-76 - Minority Leader, DE State Senate
1981-1985 - Lieutenant Governor of Delaware
1985-1992 - Governor of Delaware
1993-2011 - Delaware Representative, At-Large
2010 - Loses to Crazy Nutjob in Republican Primary


In all those races he never lost. He practice law from 76 to 81 - he wasn't defeated, he retired. But he got back into it and won...again.


Posted by: Chris in Va at November 05, 2010 05:22 PM (oj52M)

936 Here is something that many of us overlook.

We were all interested in the Castle/COD/Coons race. You could say 'well it only really matters to the DE voters', but that isn't true. The results of that race is a seat that has a NATIONAL effect; whose vote can (and sometimes will, depending on the final tally) affect us all.

Which reveals the fundamental problem:
The government has reach and power it SHOULD not have, and was never meant to have. That someone voting for a Marxist in deep-blue Delaware can have a tangible and profound effect on someone who lives in crimson red Texas, when those voters likely have little in common socially, ideologically, or economically, shows HOW screwed up it has gotten.

To many of us on this site, Mike Castle, despite having a (R) after his name, represents more of the status quo. He doesn't advance the ball to toward the goal of fixing the problem; indeed he pushes the ball further FROM our goal, although perhaps more slowly.

It's not that we loved Christine (although some may have). It's that we love the hope she represents: scoring the goal that will prevent a Senate race in tiny DE having an effect on the life of someone in Texas.

Posted by: blindside at November 05, 2010 05:23 PM (x7g7t)

937 You can fuck yourself with the barbed cock of Satan. You know nothing
about MCPO and aren't fit to shine his shoes you low lifepiece of
filth.

I know enough to know that he's not a true conservative! Probably an Obama-supporting troll sent here from DailyKos. And you're his backup wingman, here to provide 'credibility'. I'm not fooled "pajama momma."

If that is your real name.

(See how easy it is? See just how fucking easy it is to attack people as being "fake" conservatives or RINOs or trolls? See just how fucking TOXIC it is to the discourse? Have I made my point clearly enough? Do I need to spell it out in skywriting?)

Posted by: Jeff B. at November 05, 2010 05:24 PM (NjYDy)

938 In all those races he never lost. He practice law from 76 to 81 - he
wasn't defeated, he retired. But he got back into it and won...again.

And the state is as blue as ever. Wonder Chris Christie would have made a difference.

Posted by: LAI at November 05, 2010 05:24 PM (UEE89)

939 Why is COD being singled out by Ace and Drew?

Possibly to distract us from remembering that they touted Miller and
Bielat--who, ultimately, were both unelectable losers (by the Ace/Drew
standard).

Posted by: tsj017 at November 05, 2010 04:46 PM (4YUWF)


I didn't pimp Bielat, that was Ace's deal. I never really thought he had a shot. Maybe when the Gallup generic came out Sunday night but even then it was going to take a miracle.

As for why make him a long shot favorite? Well, I imagine it had something to do with the fact that he's a Marine and a robotics genius running against one of the most vile Democrats out there.

I also spent a good bit of time pushing Chris Gibson (retired Army Colonel, PhD from Cornell), Ron Johnson, accomplished small businessman and tea party favorite, Jesse Kelly, small businessman and Army vet, Matt Doheny in NY-23, another small business owner, Ruth McClung, rocket scientist and on and on and on.

See a pastern? Conservatives yes but also people who have accomplishments in life and whose resume consists of more than being a talking head brought on to be punchline and gadfly local candidate.

I think intellect, accomplishment and ideology matter. No one of those things is enough to get me excited about a candidate.

I don't know what to say to you if you think O'Donnell is equal or God help us, superior to any of them.

Posted by: DrewM. at November 05, 2010 05:25 PM (HicGG)

940 Have a good weekend everyone. You know my lesson learned! Have fun

Posted by: LAI at November 05, 2010 05:28 PM (UEE89)

941 I know enough to know that he's not a true conservative! Probably an Obama-supporting troll sent here from DailyKos. And you're his backup wingman, here to provide 'credibility'. I'm not fooled "pajama momma."If that is your real name.(See how easy it is? See just how fucking easy it is to attack people as being "fake" conservatives or RINOs or trolls? See just how fucking TOXIC it is to the discourse? Have I made my point clearly enough? Do I need to spell it out in skywriting?)
Yawn.We've been commenters at this blog since at least 2005. MCPO's comment "jackass" wasn't even directed towards you so I'm not even sure why you felt the need to butt in.

Posted by: pajama momma at November 05, 2010 05:28 PM (/Czjb)

942 965

I also spent a good bit
of time pushing Chris Gibson (retired Army Colonel, PhD from Cornell),
Ron Johnson, accomplished small businessman and tea party favorite,
Jesse Kelly, small businessman and Army vet, Matt Doheny in NY-23,
another small business owner, Ruth McClung, rocket scientist and on and
on and on.

See a pastern? Conservatives yes but also people who
have accomplishments in life and whose resume consists of more than
being a talking head brought on to be punchline and gadfly local
candidate.

I think intellect, accomplishment and ideology matter. No one of those things is enough to get me excited about a candidate.

I don't know what to say to you if you think O'Donnell is equal or God help us, superior to any of them.


Posted by: DrewM. at November 05, 2010 05:25 PM (HicGG)
Hallelujah.

Posted by: robviously at November 05, 2010 05:28 PM (7UMow)

943 @ 960
-- Once he was our nominee, even Rush Limbaugh was trying to drag him over the finish line.

This has already been put to bed. Rush damned him with faint praise from the day he secured the nomination all the way through Election Day. I've heard Rush talk about Chris Christie, and I remember hearing him talk about McCain in 2008. It's not even a subtle difference. The message was clear. "I don't like this guy, but he's who we've got. Hey! Biden's a doofus!"

Posted by: Walt Gilbert at November 05, 2010 05:28 PM (PmZ9N)

944 I very much wanted Coons defeated -- in that instance while having
reservations about O'Donnell I wanted to see her win. But that is no
longer the situation, and now she will not shut up (and her talk is not
about Coons or the Dems or Obama, but the GOP -- which is the opposition
to those). My reservations are quickly turning into extreme distaste.

This would be a more profound point if she were wrong about the GOP. She's not - she's entirely correct. Karl Rove and other beltway Republicans openly, deliberately ran her down after the primary election. Not just didn't kick in NRSC funds which is their right, but went on national television and talked her down, and did more behind the scenes. That's a big deal, and it's entirely legitimate to have a discussion now over whether that will be party policy again in the next election.

If O'Donnell isn't the perfect public face of that discussion, just as she wasn't the perfect Senate candidate the solution is to have that discussion with or without her, not to sweep it under the rug and line up to suck Karl Rove's cock, and then wonder why she's still the only one talking about it.

--

Also, when I read Ace's post, or I see "My reservations are quickly turning into extreme distaste." I'm baffled by the personal vehemence. Apparently the speck in our ally's eye warrants personal hatred, while the beam in our opponents eye is just to be expected. In practical terms I realize that is the playing field, and I'm willing to make that calculation when considering electability, but I'm done conceding the false premise that it's legitimate.

I'm also done pretending, as joeindc44 points out, that at least one of our guys won't be SNL-d each election. They will. As long as we're talking pragmatism versus idealism, we ought to pragmatically recognize that one or two of our guys will get the SNL treatment each cycle. Being surprised by it each and every cycle, and implying it wouldn't have happened to anyone if we just didn't have this one person's baggage is unbecoming for self-proclaimed realists.

Posted by: Dave R. at November 05, 2010 05:29 PM (bFdGg)

945 Oh and by the way....thanks to Christine O'Donnell's AWESOME err coattails...Republicans lost their chance to retake the Delaware State House...and the Democrats actually GAINED two seats in the chamber, making it 26-15.

This will be the first time since the 1960 census that Republicans haven't had the DE State House during redistricting. Think they will ever have it again?

Posted by: Chris in Va at November 05, 2010 05:30 PM (oj52M)

946 Drew, remember that this is Ace's site.AFAIK, it's his
livelihood.Playing cock of the walk on someone else's dime is normally a
firing offence.
Posted by: Alec Baldwin at November 05, 2010 04:33 PM (81mjT)

Don't worry, Ace knows how to get in touch with me or change my login.

Besides, I've offered to quit more than once when I thought I might have done more harm than good. After 3 years, I think I've got a handle on where the line is.

I'm sure Ace would appreciate your concern, especially after you accused him of flirting with becoming Charles Johnson. It's also pretty funny since his post on this matter is far more strident than mine was.

But hey you banned for being obnoxious and not toeing the party line.


(Oh wait, no your not. Like fascism and Europe, commenter purges are forever descending upon AoS but landing at LGF)

Posted by: DrewM. at November 05, 2010 05:31 PM (HicGG)

947 (See how easy it is? See just how fucking easy it is to attack people
as being "fake" conservatives or RINOs or trolls? See just how fucking
TOXIC it is to the discourse? Have I made my point clearly enough? Do I
need to spell it out in skywriting?)

Can we all just agree that Jeff B. is the most annoying cocksucking asshole on the entire board? That he single-handedly makes this place far less enjoyable than it otherwise would be? That he's got palin steele's sanctimonious sneering without his orbital SAT score?

Now go on Jeffy. Remind us how much ace agrees with you and how he enjoys your spongebaths the most.

Posted by: VJay at November 05, 2010 05:31 PM (gQ+XA)

948 Can we all just agree that Jeff B. is the most annoying cocksucking asshole on the entire board?
He's certainly a shit stirrer

Posted by: pajama momma at November 05, 2010 05:33 PM (/Czjb)

949 The reason I bring up AK is because it was another case of Palin and the TPE propping up a weak candidate. That's a race that a "pure" Republican could've won, but didn't simply because of poor judgement in candidate selection.Posted by: Hollowpoint at November 05, 2010 04:30 PM (plsiE)

Ah yes, Palin pushing Miller in the AK primary of Murkowski and Miller (and nobody else).

Ok, so your point is if Palin and the TPE hadn't backed Miller, Murkowski would have won; but because they did run Miller we're stuck with Murkowski having won the general election... and that is an awful result and all their fault.

If only Murkowski could have run unopposed by those TPE people and won, then we wouldn't have Senator Murkowski sitting there; instead we'd have Senator Murkowski.

Does this thought process hurt you as much as it hurt me? Because if life was fair this really ought to be painful for you.

Posted by: Gekkobear at November 05, 2010 05:36 PM (7TZuc)

950 The tea party's purpose was to elect the best people for their job according to their philosophy. Not to elect republicans.

Posted by: curious at November 05, 2010 03:46 PM

Bingo. Conservatives realize this and applaud it. The only ones -- other than Democrats -- who don't like it are "moderates" and Party-first Republican-voters. I think it's pretty obvious where the authors of this blog stand. All anyone has to do is go back to the Obamacare townhall meetings. Ace came out with a post ridiculing people at those townhalls expressing their disgust with their Representatives as simply being attention whores who wanted their "YouTube moment".

Meanwhile, was Ace or any other AoSHQ author going to townhalls or TEA Parties? Nope. Were they doing any kind of activism like Jim Hoft of Gateway Pundit? Nope. All they did was sit on the sidelines and sneer at TEA Partiers and those going to townhalls and confronting their Representatives over Obamacare.

And now they have the audacity to sneer "I told you so" to conservatives and TEA Partiers in general, while defending DIABLO candidates like Mike Castle.

You still dont' get it. O'Donnell isn't the hill. O'Donnell is the MESSAGE, and it is the MESSAGE that forms the hill on which we have chosen 'to die'.

The other message about 'just put (R)s in power and things will be OK', well, that hill proved to be a false choice; one that helped put us into this situation.

You guys act like the Republicans had no blame for 2001-2008, but they did, and a lot of those same people who FUCKED us during that period are still in Congress.

A tiger doesn't change his stripes.

Posted by: blindside at November 05, 2010 03:48 PM

BINGO again. Yet, Castle-supporters and O'Donnell-haters here are blaming O'Donnell voters for losing the Senate and saying we need to regain a majority in the Senate with the same shitty RINOs and DIABLOs that they railed against from 2002-2006.

Brilliant.

Maybe when Ace and DrewM and others start going to TEA Parties and townhalls and become more like Jim Hoft, then they can have room to sneer down their noses at others. Until then, not so much.

(That said, for as much activism as Jim Hoft does, you never see him denigrate his readership and conservatives and the TEA Party as the blog authors do here. Says a lot.)

Posted by: Clyde Shelton at November 05, 2010 05:36 PM (NITzp)

951 @ 976 -- Allow me to sneer, as I've been there since the TEA Party movement was a Twitter hashtag.

Posted by: Walt Gilbert at November 05, 2010 05:43 PM (PmZ9N)

952 Clyde,
with all due respect, I think Ace (the person and site) was pretty active. He did a GOTV event, he pumped a number of candidates.

I don't know if he went to town halls or tea parties, but he DID do a lot to push candidates and also giving those of us being physically active a place to commiserate and coordinate with others.

For that, I thank him. There were an awful lot of us down after 2008, and the HQ worked as a place to help us pick one another up.

Posted by: blindside at November 05, 2010 05:44 PM (x7g7t)

953 Oh, and you "Castle guys" -- and that's what I'm going to call you,
because you seem totally incapable of accepting that people that aren't
vag'ing out to the degree that you are about COD are somehow "COD
supporters" and not adults that know how to deal with a
less-than-perfect hand and move on with their lives -- don't seem to
understand that some of us aren't actually in her corner and never have been.



Some of us were nervous when she was creeping up in the polls. Some of
us were apprehensive of an unknown and even sketchy candidate taking the
primary in a deep blue soviet like Delaware. Some of us were hoping
that a Chafee-esque and obviously politically incompetent mediocrity
like Mike Castle would squeek by because of his supposed electability. We certainly want her to go the hell away now and never inflict herself on the political process again.



But you know, didn't work out that way. Shit happens. Guess Mike
Castle should have run a better campaign. Guess maybe the GOP should've
fielded a stronger set of primary candidates to choose from. Guess the
guy who was supposedly going to coast to victory should have waited to measure the drapes for his D.C. office until the primary
had at least started.



Nah, that's crazy talk. That's the kind of post-mortem analysis that's
only appropriate for every other politician who loses. COD is indeed a
witch, it turns out, because she cost us not only azure-blue DE, but
thousands-of-miles-away Colorado and Nevada, too. Why? Shut up, that's why.



Yep, all politics is local, except for this one extremely poignant case. Got it.

Posted by: VJay at November 05, 2010 05:45 PM (gQ+XA)

954 Nope, you seem to make Mike Castle the hill to die on. Compared to all the "flaws" of the dems, we spent an inordinate amount of time to attack her. The best I can tell from some not all is personal spite.

I respected Patterico because he acted like a big boy. He stated his position, took the heat, and still worked for the team. Rush Limbaugh is the same. He defended and tried to drag McCain to the finish line. Palin came to the defense of Schlesinger. Chris Christie knows who his real adversary is.

I also respected the rationale of people who supported Castle. But some simply too bitter to let it drop.

Posted by: LAI at November 05, 2010 03:50 PM

This.

I also took Rush's attitude in 2008. I hated McCain. If it had been a choice between McCain and Hillary, I would have not voted. But I became SO annoyed with Obama's lies and smears and the worship and propaganda of the MF-ing media, that I actively campaigned for McCain-Palin after the Conventions.

I even got most of the people in my office to not only change their vote from Obama to McCain, but also got them so turned off of Obama, that they actively worked to get as many of their friends and family to vote for McCain as well.

And it pained me, because I couldn't stand McCain. At.all. But, I looked at what was best for the country and went all-in to try to prevent someone much, much worse from getting into a position of power.

Which is why it is absolutely, positively aggravating to see people not do the same thing in the O'Donnell-Coons race. O'Donnell sucked, but Coons was/is much, much worse. But did people suck it up? Nope. On this blog they ripped O'Donnell after the debate, instead of ripped Coons as most other right-of-center blogs did. For this blog, it was more important for them to be able to say "I told you so, you stupid idiots" this week, rather than swallow their damn pride and do what was best for the nation... prevent a bearded Marxist from getting in the Senate.

Well, whatever. It just makes me appreciate the work and effort and attitude of guys like Jim Hoft at Gateway Pundit that much more.

Posted by: Clyde Shelton at November 05, 2010 05:49 PM (NITzp)

955 ODonnell had better not be the message, because that bearer bodes ill for the quality of the message.

Besides, the message sent was all along claimed to be a message to party establishment, and not about her.

I'm fine with sending a message to the party establishment.
Not so much making a foolish person the face of a grass-roots effort that needs to prosper.

Posted by: SarahW at November 05, 2010 05:53 PM (Z4T49)

956 (Oh wait, no your not. Like fascism and Europe, commenter purges are forever descending upon AoS but landing at LGF)
Nice.

Posted by: dick cheese at November 05, 2010 05:54 PM (S5YRY)

957 I haven't had time to work this out yet, but I suspect that a good part of the difference between the Kirk win and the Brady loss was the independent candidacy of Scott Lee Cohen in the governor's race. He ran a shitload of commercials on conservative talk radio and I always wondered where an oddball like that running a hopeless race came up with the money to advertise that much. And since he seemed to be targeting the Brady voters it makes me suspect there was some kind of arrangement with the Quinn campaign.

Posted by: SteveN at November 05, 2010 06:01 PM (7EV/g)

958 Look, what's done is done, and honestly, big picture,it turned out pretty damn well.
We're all friends here. All we're saying to O'Donnell backers is please, PLEASE don't do that again.

Posted by: Virginia Bob at November 05, 2010 06:03 PM (xh3gA)

959 Ah yes, Palin pushing Miller in the AK primary of Murkowski and Miller (and nobody else).Ok, so your point is if Palin and the TPE hadn't backed Miller, Murkowski would have won; but because they did run Miller we're stuck with Murkowski having won the general election... and that is an awful result and all their fault.
So they don't mind trying to pick winners and losers in a primary, but not who runs in the primary?
Either they want better candidates or they don't. If they do, they'll need to start taking an active role in seeing that happen.

Posted by: Hollowpoint at November 05, 2010 06:04 PM (plsiE)

960 I know enough to know that he's not a true conservative! Probably an
Obama-supporting troll sent here from DailyKos. And you're his backup
wingman, here to provide 'credibility'. I'm not fooled "pajama momma."

I also happen to know MCPO, have met him personally, and he is neither a troll nor anything other than a true conservative. Also a heck of a nice guy.

Posted by: Michael at November 05, 2010 06:07 PM (l7H1O)

961 No, no, Mr. Ace. You are wrong on all points. You are wrong that Christine O'Donnell was unqualified for the Senate, because, hell, you and I are qualified for the Senate, and I know that I am not as accomplished as she. And you are wrong to say she was victim to wanging, because she was. She might have lost anyway; who can say? But to lay into her like you did?? You are wrong.

Posted by: James B. Smith at November 05, 2010 06:11 PM (NqFve)

962 K. I'm going to post this again. Compare the Delaware Senate race with the Delaware House race (they only have 1 House seat).
With 100% reporting, here are the statistics:
Senate: Coons 173,900 (57%); ODonnell 123,025 (40%)
House: Carney 173,443 (57%); Urquhart 125,408 (41%)

Note that these are almost identical voting ratios and numbers. It basically just shows that Delaware voters voted Donk over Pub at a roughly 57/41 ratio. The key thing here is that the Carney/Urquhart race has essentially identical results

Why might this be? Well turns out that the State of Delaware is the largest employer in the state of Delaware. Almost 50% of all state tax dollars go to state employee wages and benefits.

So ODonnell and Urquhart scored almost exactly the same. This indicates to me it has not much to do with ODonnell, or the Tea Party, and much to do with the fact that the people of Delaware are Democrats. Remember, their last Senator was Joe Biden!

Posted by: SunSword at November 05, 2010 06:11 PM (6IUbo)

963 See a pastern?

Posted by: DrewM. at November 05, 2010 05:25 PM (HicGG)Nope, sorry, Drew, I don't see any horse parts anywhere. :-)

/tiptoes away, leaving the joke wiiiiiiiiiide open...

Posted by: Mary in LA at November 05, 2010 06:13 PM (JYxmy)

964 Some would rather have an (R) in the slot no matter how they vote - even if they vote with the (D)'s 100% of the time? Is that what I'm reading?
Others would rather - as long as the votes are going with the (D)'s anyway - have a (D) in the office to take the credit/blame?
These are arguable strategic points of view obviously. (And yes, in the former case you have to accept that they'll vote 100% against us, OR you have to define what the cutoff is where you'll vote against them.)
If this is war, and we're in a foxhole - I'll take the latter everytime. You never know where or when the former kinds of people are going to cut and run out of expediency or self-preservation. You know the latter will be next to you till the bitter end.
Take Walt. Please. Might as well be a liberal - by his own definition. Conservatives aren't 'nice' enough to him apparently? Geez... Thanks, but no thanks.

Posted by: Abiss at November 05, 2010 06:14 PM (1ilyW)

965 1000?

Posted by: toby928 at November 05, 2010 06:16 PM (S5YRY)

966 Nope.

Posted by: toby928 at November 05, 2010 06:16 PM (S5YRY)

967 988
No, no, Mr. Ace. You are wrong on all points. You are wrong that
Christine O'Donnell was unqualified for the Senate, because, hell, you
and I are qualified for the Senate, and I know that I am not as
accomplished as she. And you are wrong to say she was victim to
wanging, because she was. She might have lost anyway; who can say? But
to lay into her like you did?? You are wrong.


Posted by: James B. Smith at November 05, 2010 06:11 PM (NqFve)
You're not as accomplished as Christine O'Donnell? If you had managed to accomplish nothing over the entire course of your life, you'd still be tied with her. Do you have some sort of negative accomplishments under your belt?

Posted by: robviously at November 05, 2010 06:20 PM (7UMow)

968 984Posted by: SteveN at November 05, 2010 06:01 PM (7EV/g)
Please don't post the obvious. Ruins the thread :-)
Regards

Posted by: the Dragon at November 05, 2010 06:21 PM (gRSqy)

969 If this thread doesn't get to 1000, I blame Christie O'Donnell.

Posted by: toby928 at November 05, 2010 06:22 PM (S5YRY)

970 Posted by: Mary in LA at November 05, 2010 06:13 PM (JYxmy)

That's pretty funny, I had no idea that was even a word. Now that I know it is, I'm going to say it was absolutely intentional. I leave it to you to figure out what I meant by it.


(if you do figure it out, please let me know)

Posted by: DrewM. at November 05, 2010 06:22 PM (HicGG)

971 Yep, all politics is local, except for this one extremely poignant case. Got it.
Was it "local" before or after the Tea Party Express showed up with bags money and support from out of state?

Posted by: Hollowpoint at November 05, 2010 06:22 PM (plsiE)

972 For the record, MCPO Airdale you are an incredible jackass. You're also pretty goddamn stupid, but that's only mildly related.You're also not a real conservative, I might point out. Fucking phony.
No one has any business talking down to someone who has served his country for as long as the Chief, and in the capacity that he has. You don't achieve the rank and respect that he did by being stupid, goddamn or otherwise.
For all the defense of strategery I've seen here, it is painfully apparent that you would rather play checkers than chess. Voters in Deleware sidestepped the Dem-Lite in favor if the Conservative candidate. In the words of the state villiage idiot "That's a Big Fuckin' Deal" in the middle of a deep blue state. And that's the point: It is a deep blue state. If it is about conservatism, then whether or not you approve of the candidate that the voters chose, if you are one of the party elites and experts, you go in and help her to be the best candidate she can be. If you win a victory in that deep blue state, then GREAT! If you don't, but you present a clear alternative, rather than offering Tweedle Dee to the Dem's Tweedle Dumb, and you do so with a candidate coached and molded with all that expertise and talent that was pitted against her in this election, then you plant seeds so that maybe in the next election, or the one after it, you get good, solid candidates who will be real conservatives in office.
Instead of opting for the opportunity to harvest real conservative victories in the future, our betters in the Republican Party and the Punditry decided that they would much rather win a few slices of day-old bread in this campaign, rather than a whole frickin bakery in the future. This was about the Republican Party being able to put an "x" in the column this year, not about creating in lasting change, and they wanted that "x" so badly, that they didn't mind pissing all over the Deleware voters' choice post-primary, rather than keeping their pieholes shut and not helping, or keeping their pieholes shut and helping her to be a better candidate for conservatism in the state than she was without their much-vaunted expertise and guidance. It was a fucking mistake, and it also validated everything the Left wanted to tar her with. You can be pissed that now she isn't going away, and she is blaming some of the same people who didn't want her because they didn't think she was electable, but frankly, its beast of their own making.
I also find it very distasteful that within our own ranks, we seem to have people who think that it is perfectly ok to look down their noses at the candidates they don't approve of after the voters have chosen them. We hate that shit when our self-appointed betters on the Left do it; why is it appropriate when our self-appointed betters on the Right do it? That kind of not-so-thinly veiled condscension pissed voters off. That's why the Dems didn't dare run on their record this year.
Oh, and personal "Fuck You!" from me. I know the Chief. He is many things. "Phony" is NOT one of them. Conservative is.

Posted by: Blackiswhite, Imperial Consigliere at November 05, 2010 06:22 PM (EuzGg)

973 Now

Posted by: toby928 at November 05, 2010 06:23 PM (S5YRY)

974 998

Yep, all politics is local, except for this one extremely poignant case. Got it.

Was it "local" before or after the Tea Party Express showed up with bags money and support from out of state?

Posted by: Hollowpoint at November 05, 2010 06:22 PM (plsiE)
Kind of hilarious to call it a "local" race when COD didn't have a chance until people from outside of DE got involved.(1000 posts...two days in a row....)

Posted by: robviously at November 05, 2010 06:23 PM (7UMow)

975 Posted by: Hollowpoint at November 05, 2010 06:22 PM (plsiE)

I would love to know what portion of her donations came from out of state. And oh yeah, how much is left and where's that going?

Posted by: DrewM. at November 05, 2010 06:24 PM (HicGG)

976 985
"Look, what's done is done, and honestly, big picture,it turned out pretty damn well. We're all friends here. All we're saying to O'Donnell backers is please, PLEASE don't do that again
Posted by: Virginia Bob at November 05, 2010 06:03 PM (xh3gA) "
Fair enough, just one point to the Establishmnet Republicans...The Constitution...That bit of fluff starting with "We the People..." still grants us a vote, much as it seems to annoy many here.
Regards,

Posted by: the Dragon at November 05, 2010 06:27 PM (gRSqy)

977 Because?....that would prove?...what?

Posted by: Abiss at November 05, 2010 06:27 PM (1ilyW)

978 Look, what's done is done, and honestly, big picture,it turned out pretty damn well.
We're all friends here. All we're saying to O'Donnell backers is please, PLEASE don't do that again.


Posted by: Virginia Bob at November 05, 2010 06:03 PM (xh3gA)
Will I be allowed to say Olympia Snowe sucks, we ought to primary her, her average ACU rating for the past 5 years is 31.2 so she's really against us more than 2/3rd of the time and that she doesn't help conservative goals?

Or is that me being a bad conservative by not willingly supporting a candidate in a priamry who has shown a willingness to spend more time and effort trying to kick my teeth in than help me?

I mean since it's just O'Donnell supporters who are the bad ones, and Castle supporters who back a candidate who is pretty solid liberal and trending further to the left are the good ones... *I'm confused.

Am I supposed to like liberal policies now? I don't think that's going to happen.

Posted by: Gekkobear at November 05, 2010 06:27 PM (7TZuc)

979 oh yeah, how much is left and where's that going?
I'm kinda hoping she gives it to me, just because.

Posted by: pajama momma at November 05, 2010 06:28 PM (/Czjb)

980 It's interesting to speculate here - what would the effect have been on the elections had say 5 or 10 Rs broken and voted with the Democrats in the Senate; or say 30 or 40 voted with Dems in the house?

I suspect gains would have been much smaller because of the 'cover' of bipartisan support. Possibly not enough to take back even the house.

Now, you can argue that if you have control of the Senate and house, you never have these votes come up, BUT you have to remember that it was the GOP establishment that gave us the wrong candidate(s) in 2008.

The GOP establishment is largely responsible for Obamacare seeing the light of day - both in that McCain was a milksop, pasty and older version of BHO (without charisma), that the base couldn't be excited about, and that carried over into the Senate, where we lost a filibuster-proof majority, especially when they decided to not go to bat for Coleman and let Al Franken STEAL that election.

After all that,I hope there is some understanding why many of us are anti-establishment and simply do not trust the GOP? Especially when they have never issued a mea culpa.

For myself, I swore that I would never vote GOP again. That election left such a bad taste in my mouth. I'm sure many other felt the same way. I'm still not entirely over it. While I will never vote for a liberal who doesn't share my core values, I won't blindly pull the (R) lever again.

The GOP is fortunate they lucked upon Sarah Palin, and that the Tea Party arose, or this election would have turned out much different.

Posted by: blindside at November 05, 2010 06:30 PM (x7g7t)

981 Indeed blindside. Indeed.
I can't believe we're still debating and running elections against commie-crats. We should be hunting them down and hanging them on PPV. We could retire the debt.

Posted by: Abiss at November 05, 2010 06:34 PM (1ilyW)

982 The thing that pisses me off the most is that I assume Ace and DrewM are smart guys. There's no way they don't understand the point people have made over and over and over here in the comments as well as elsewhere. So for them to keep dragging out the same weak-ass straw men again and again and again and using it as an excuse to strut around and shit all over nominal allies makes me think they're really just petty assholes who can't get over the fact that someone dared disagree with them.

I'm done with this shit. At least until the run-up to 2012 when we get to do it all over again.

Posted by: Mob at November 05, 2010 06:34 PM (aWpio)

983 Posted by: Gekkobear Depends on the political environment and whether Maine Conservatives can produce someone better than an irresponsible lying grifter gadfly dumbass. I suspect the answer is that they can.

Posted by: Chris in Va at November 05, 2010 06:37 PM (uCjoj)

984 "1002 Posted by: Hollowpoint at November 05, 2010 06:22 PM (plsiE)I would love to know what portion of her donations came from out of state. And oh yeah, how much is left and where's that going?Posted by: DrewM. at November 05, 2010 06:24 PM (HicGG) "

There will be FEC Reports in due time.

Are you this VISCIOUS in real life?

I realize you wanted Castle,YET you seemevery bit the sore loser Christine seems to be. Funny, I suspect you would have been very upset IF O'Donnell had lost and those backing her had treated Castle as you and Establishment Republicans did to O'Donnell. Double Standard it seems.

Regards,

Posted by: the Dragon at November 05, 2010 06:38 PM (gRSqy)

985 Posted by: Gekkobear at November 05, 2010 06:27 PM (7TZuc)
I will support Snowe, NOT because I like her positions at all, rather in this almost perfect year, while the Republican won the Governor, he got like 38% (granted in a 4 way race), yet 2 seemingly decent Conservatives in the House races got similar total. Maine might be a bridge too far.
Regards,

Posted by: the Dragon at November 05, 2010 06:42 PM (gRSqy)

986 There's no zombies around here, but I could get a serious thrill up my leg clubbing a few of you useless rino fucksticks.

And talking shit to mcpo will only make you look stupid.

With that said; Fuck you, you fucking fucks.

Posted by: dick at November 05, 2010 06:45 PM (ZpV3b)

987 COINTEL ops would explain a lot of what you see. The best way to neutralize an enemy is to co-opt their information streams. If Soro's and company are funding obvious fronts, why would they not put their financial tenticles into the RNC? Or 'conservative' blogs who's single weapon is the sole claim to be 'higher minded' amounting to nothing more than a sneer at 'ideological purity.' If one thing has been settled by these threads, its' that they back the RNC, not conservatives per se. So which are you?

Posted by: Abiss at November 05, 2010 06:45 PM (1ilyW)

988 I think I've realized one of the major disconnects between "moderates" and conservatives.

Conservatives believe in running on ideology and principle, no matter where in the country. They believe in winning or losing by selling the conservative message. If they win, great. If they lose, well, it teaches them that they have to do a better job selling the message. But they never give up on selling conservatism, because they know it's right and they would rather lose with integrity than win with bullshit.

The "moderates" on the other hand are more interested in simply "winning". Instead of selling an ideology, a principle, a core message or belief, they poll an area, find out what the people in that area believe, and then find a candidate who believes what the people believe and runs that candidate in that area. For them, ideology and principle is not important, simply winning the seat is important.

The disconnect is between wanting principled leaders who can truly lead people and wanting unprincipled politicians who will sway with the wind and whatever is popular at the moment.

If an area of people believe in Marxism, Cap-and-Tax, Obamacare, conservatives will say "just let that area have the Democrat they want, we do not want that kind of idiocy in the GOP". But "moderates" will just say "let's find a candidate who believes in all those things, no matter how wrong they are for the country and get him to run as a Republican so we can 'win' the seat".

It is the latter mindset which destroyed the GOP from 2002-2006 and led to people having the opinion that the GOP stands for nothing, but power and is no different than the Democrats.

Long term, it is better to run on principles and take the losses when they come. But to keep running on conservatism and keep articulating and explaining conservatism to the people. Reagan worked for decades in explaining conservatism to the people through his speeches and activism and campaigning for office. In the short run for him, it did not pay off as he lost his first campaign for President. But he learned from that, stayed true to his principles and kept at it and in the long run, it was a winning strategy for him, for conservatism and for the nation.

The Rovian/"moderate" way has been a proven to be a loser. The GOP went from having a majority in Congress to being completely wiped up and made irrelevant while giving super-majorities in Congress to the Democrats... within a matter of 6 years.

Now, in 2010, the GOP is still dead. The American people did not vote for Republicans in 2010, they voted for the TEA Party and conservatism and against the Democrats. Now, if the GOP interprets their "victory" to mean they should get majorities and the White House in 2012 by running Mike Castle/John McCain/Scozzofava/MurCOWski/Crist-type candidates in 2012, they will have learned nothing and will be demolished.

Republicanism is dead. TEA Partyism and conservatism were what won in 2010 and what America wants in 2012. The GOP did not stand up against Obama in 2009 when he tried to push through his radical agenda. And that was why the TEA Party arose. Because they saw the Democrats go radical and the GOP go incompetent and irrelevant and they say they no longer had representation in Washington.

This should be a wake-up call to the GOP. They better get on board with what the TEA Party conservatives want and run appropriate candidates or they will be treated to the same results they were in 2006, when fiscal conservatives stayed home.

Posted by: Clyde Shelton at November 05, 2010 06:48 PM (NITzp)

989 God, I hate this bitch. ALWAYS the victim, huh, Christine?

Posted by: Vyceroy at November 05, 2010 06:50 PM (vN3AU)

990 Ok, just want to point out that Palin did not come out great guns for both Christine and Miller. But you guys here were so pro miller you didn't notice. Sarah Palin's husband, Todd, endorsed miller not sarah palin. Maybe in the end she was forced into endorsing him but freely endorsing with a huge smile and being forced into endorsing someone are two vastly differnet things. She was also forced into endorsing Christine by Hannity on his program. I heard that interview. She was not prepared to endorse Christine and she was put in a position by sean that she had to endorse her.

I think everyone would love to make this a referendum on Sarah Palin. Just like idiots are speculating that Bristol didn't send in her absentee ballot. Well last I looked Bristol is an adult. the fact remains, the people that Sarah Palin was solidly behind won. The ones she was coerced into endorsing didn't. As far as Christine is concerned, Sean had blinder on, he knew her personally just like his friend gomes. He wasn't a good judge or maybe he was. Maybe he knows she's a solid human being and to him that's what is important.

Maybe this election will go down as the election where the American people woke up, where they, when you ignored their cards, letter, emails, demonstrations they voted you out and asked you to stand on your record and maybe it will be the election where people realized they want solid heartfelt, truly truly constitution loving Americans representing them. Not a bunch of white republican cigar smokers in back rooms thinking they are at all relevant anymore.

Posted by: curious at November 05, 2010 06:52 PM (p302b)

991 More Christianists making excuses for the Tea Partiers screwing the GOP out of the Senate majority.

Posted by: andycanuck at November 05, 2010 06:53 PM (eQPq+)

992 1010 Posted by: Gekkobear Depends on the political environment and whether Maine Conservatives can produce someone better than an irresponsible lying grifter gadfly dumbass. I suspect the answer is that they can. Posted by: Chris in Va at November 05 , 2010 06 :37 PM (uCjoj)

Utter crap.

The GOP didn't even look for the most conservative candidate who could win in DE. They annointed Castle because it was his turn. Late late in the game a vacuum was created and CoD filled it.

If you and the pezzanovante of the party annoint Snowe again, there will be another vacuum. Maybe they ought to figure things out and go find a candidate better than CoD.

Cause I've got news for you: Snowe will get primaried by someone.

Posted by: gonzogaga at November 05, 2010 06:54 PM (3qmtL)

993 Just like idiots are speculating that Bristol didn't send in her absentee ballot. Well last I looked Bristol is an adult.Who gives a shit what Bristol does? She's a dumbass. Sometimes politicians have dumbass children. (Hi MeggieMac). I'm no Palin fan but that's like the worst of a variety of very valid criticims of her.

Posted by: Chris in Va at November 05, 2010 06:55 PM (uCjoj)

994 1013
There's no zombies around here, but I could get a serious thrill up my leg clubbing a few of you useless rino fucksticks.

And talking shit to mcpo will only make you look stupid.

With that said; Fuck you, you fucking fucks.


Posted by: dick at November 05, 2010 06:45 PM (ZpV3b)
I'm going to have trouble sleeping tonight after reading this. Very upsetting.

Posted by: robviously at November 05, 2010 06:56 PM (7UMow)

995 The tea partiers didn't screw the republicans out of a senate majority....guys like Rove did. He should have kept his mouth shut until after the election.

Plus the republican party is so used to keeping their mouths shut to get along that they won't even delve into the possibility of fraud in voting. That's not sitting well with the electorate. Republicans, are not happy with the party, not the Michael Steele part, the other part, the old guard, the people who think they know better and having a RINO on the road is better than a dem. If you want to make an omelet you have to break a few eggs....Americans are sick of RINO's ....sorry if the message has escapted you.

Posted by: curious at November 05, 2010 06:57 PM (p302b)

996 Posted by: Chris in Va at November 05, 2010 06:55 PM (uCjoj)

The point I was making is that the 18 to 30 crowd turned out for BO and the 18 - 30 crowd does care about Bristol and meggy and does get their news from stewart and colbert. As long as the republican party doesn't see this they may actually lose a full generation of voters. Even if kids graduate college and have to be a barrista they still think it's Bush's fault, not BO's....this has to be dealt with by the republcians before 2012.

Posted by: curious at November 05, 2010 07:00 PM (p302b)

997 The GOP didn't even look for the most conservative candidate who could win in DE.No they looked for the most electable out of a tiny (ie nonexistant) bench. Guesswho that "bench" was? Mike Fucking Castle.

Posted by: Chris in Va at November 05, 2010 07:00 PM (uCjoj)

998 The RNC needs to be gutted, skinned and devoured. Beta-males step aside please. You think '10 was bad? '12 is going to get positively messy.

Posted by: Abiss at November 05, 2010 07:03 PM (1ilyW)

999 The point I was making is that the 18 to 30 crowd turned out for BO and the 18 - 30 crowd does care about Bristol and meggy and does get their news from stewart and colbert. As long as the republican party doesn't see this they may actually lose a full generation of voters. Even if kids graduate college and have to be a barrista they still think it's Bush's fault, not BO's....this has to be dealt with by the republcians before 2012.But they don't vote that heavily, in all honesty. Even in the vaunted Youth Election of '08, turnout among young people wasn't up that much. What it was was skewed more heavily to Obama. Now that's not saying we don't need to go after young people in the sense of turning them into Conseravtives and working to get the culture (which Conservatives have completely lost and frankly don't get) more conservative or at least simply less hostile to conservaativesm, but if the Republican strategy depends on winning the 18-30 crowd, we're fucked.

Posted by: Chris in Va at November 05, 2010 07:04 PM (uCjoj)

1000 "
1018 More Christianists making excuses for the Tea Partiers screwing the GOP out of the Senate majority.
Posted by: andycanuck at November 05, 2010 06:53 PM (eQPq+) "

Is open bigotry now part of the "conservative" character?

Posted by: Abiss at November 05, 2010 07:06 PM (1ilyW)

1001 Posted by: curious at November 05, 2010 06:57 PM (p302b)
Curious,
I think you are dead on.
I expect the "bulls eye" is back on the Republicans again. The now engaged, whether you call it "Tea Party" or not will be kicking butt and taking names.
Regards,

Posted by: the Dragon at November 05, 2010 07:10 PM (gRSqy)

1002 Posted by: Chris in Va at November 05, 2010 07:04 PM (uCjoj)

I feel as though the republicans look too much at numbers and not people. I think they need to leave no stone unturned. The dems do that. In the last two weeks of the campaign my friends were getting three emails a day from the Democratic campaign, the Obama campaign, mo, bo, david plouffe, nicle whatever ....constant emails, constant connection. At 4 o'clock on election day my friend got an email from BO and he wasn't planning to vote but he went out of his way and voted anyway. Today he told me he got a video from BO thanking him....there is a huge connection there, huge

I blame Rove for this. The GOP was totally connected on the internet for GWB and they somehow didn't take it to the next step. This is the problem with the GOP they are always late to the party. Just once maybe they should stop and think. What they have been doing hasn't been working. It's a sad day when Dick Morris and Pat Caudell know the voters better than Rove. The world has changed and people have to change with the world. The dems don't bother with "what if's", they don't wring their hands, they cut their losses and move along. The GOP on the other hand stays mired in the mud long after they should. And they allow the dems to choose their candidates....the very fact that BO called out Boehner makes me not want him as the leader. It's too too...something's not right about it....can't pin my finger on it but if he's the leader the guy who said he would play ball with the dems on the tax rates, we are going to get totally screwed.

Rather see some surprise person step into the spot, someone they didn't expect.....Just like BO did with the presidency and all the hillary haters went straight to him....

no one thinks, no one

Posted by: curious at November 05, 2010 07:12 PM (p302b)

1003 Curious - TPN didn't donate a dime to the RNC - they were broke. They had to borrow money to do what they did. The TPN did what they did in 19 months, with little to no organization. What do you think is going to happen in another 19 months? Gut 'em and string 'em brother. I wouldn't give a wooden nickel for the long term career of these establishment hacks.

Posted by: Abiss at November 05, 2010 07:16 PM (1ilyW)

1004 Posted by: Clyde Shelton at November 05, 2010 05:36 PM (NITzp)

Posted by: Clyde Shelton at November 05, 2010 06:48 PM (NITzp)

Well said, Clyde. Total agreement.

And Drew, thanks for replying in at least a civil tone. That's more than I got from Ace a while back. We can disagree--maybe even heatedly--without being dicks. (And the "always descending on LGF" line was great!)

Posted by: tsj017 at November 05, 2010 07:17 PM (vOH26)

1005 I love ace's new RINO kingdom. Fucking awesome. Can't wait for more squishiness in 2012.

Posted by: bedlam at November 05, 2010 07:21 PM (b2Qrt)

1006 I say BS on all of this O'Donnell crap. First, no one is to blame for her loss other than herself, her staff, and the voters. If the majority of the people of Delaware had really wanted her as their Senator she would have won. Does anyone here really believe that Rove and Krauthammer have that much sway over the voters of Delaware? Two, the Tea Party did not support her. There is no such thing as "The Tea Party." It was the Tea Party Express that endorsed her and gave her money. They don't represent anyone other than themselves. They certainly don't represent this Tea Partier. Third, can it be honestly said she made the best use of the money, and it wasn't small change, she did receive? Four, there were plenty of races with Conservative candidates almost totally neglected because of the focus on someone we don't even know for sure is/was a Conservative. What did we have that showed that other than her say-so? Five, I for one think this was all about a pretty face batting her eyelashes and the PTB at Tea Party Express's bad judgement. I think we were scammed. JMO

Posted by: Deanna at November 05, 2010 07:23 PM (twT6I)

1007 Posted by: Abiss at November 05, 2010 07:16 PM (1ilyW)

ABiss, what I find so funny is the fact that people are asking how the president and the democrats so misread the will of the people...well duh, except for the south and some select totally fed up state, the republicans misread the will of the people too....

They are going to have to start thinking out of that box, like Michael Steels who plodded along and now has some pretty diverse people in office, or they are going to be left in the dust and the tea party will be there in their stead.

Posted by: curious at November 05, 2010 07:27 PM (p302b)

1008 The tea partiers didn't screw the republicans out of a senate majority....guys like Rove did. He should have kept his mouth shut until after the election.
Posted by: curious at November 05, 2010 06:57 PM
Would you still say that if Rove had criticized Castle?

Posted by: Deanna at November 05, 2010 07:30 PM (twT6I)

1009 God bless her for trying..That race was there for anybody else to win too.

Posted by: torabora at November 05, 2010 07:33 PM (I/TmF)

1010 Posted by: Deanna at November 05, 2010 07:30 PM (twT6I)

I don't like castle's voting record. I think the republicans are so busy trying to show how powerful they are that they often shoot themselves in the foot. Notice, the dems do a lot of dumb things, however, they appear to the American people, to be a unified force. Watch, they will elect nan, there will be no civil war, that is Republican wishful thinking.

You need a republican as speaker of the house who will be totally intransigent with regards to healthcare, period...

cause that is what the American people want, they want it repealed, they spoke loud and clear and they don't want their tax rates higher for anyone and they don't want cap and tax or any of the other democratic crap.

Watch, there will be no patience with any republican who doesn't see this or realize it...

Posted by: curious at November 05, 2010 07:36 PM (p302b)

1011 Oh and while I'm at it, kudos to Michael Steele. I know you aren't Michael Steele fans but he couldn't get money the usual way so he so manipulated the likes of Rove and his ilk he got the money out of them for his republican candidates anyway. That's too funny ...and Rove doesn't even realize how manipulated he was....

Posted by: curious at November 05, 2010 07:40 PM (p302b)

1012 Posted by: curious at November 05, 2010 07:36 PM
This isn't about what kind of candidate Castle was, this is about criticizing Rove for speaking his mind. So you're sayingit would have been okay for Rove to criticize a candidate you don't like but not one you do? Seems a bit unfair to Rove. Isn't he allowed the same choice as you? And you really don't believe he had that much influence over the Delaware voters, do you? If that were the case, shouldn't he have beennegated by Palin's and Hannity's and, for sure, by Rush's support for O'Donnell?

Posted by: Deanna at November 05, 2010 07:43 PM (twT6I)

1013 1024 . No they looked for the most electable out of a tiny (ie nonexistant) bench. Guess  who that "bench" was? Mike Fucking Castle.

Nonsense.

Mike Castle was the most liberal R in the House. You mean to tell me Delaware is the most liberal state in the union? Its not? Then find us a better candidate.

If not, expect another amateur

Posted by: gonzogaga at November 05, 2010 07:43 PM (3qmtL)

1014 Posted by: curious at November 05, 2010 07:27 PM (p302b)

Absolutely.

Posted by: Abiss at November 05, 2010 07:44 PM (1ilyW)

1015 Why keep bringing this up though?It is over ace.Water under the fucking bridge.Jut let it go.Both sides.

Posted by: steevy at November 05, 2010 07:51 PM (/h5LL)

1016 970 -- and what happens if/when you find out O'Donnell is using her campagin contributions on personal items, and the TP gets turned on quite publicly by her if it dares to voice any criticism? What then?
If it comes to pass that she's found to be a sham, am I then allowed back my disdain?

Posted by: unknown jane at November 05, 2010 07:54 PM (5/yRG)

1017 @775 Delaware GOP........

?!

ahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

move to a real state and let DE turn into DE troit (with big sis CA)


Posted by: A merican C onservative E stablishment at November 05, 2010 07:58 PM (Y8vi9)

1018 I used to love reading this blog but now that Ace DrewM got consumed by the same hate for Christine O'Donnell that consumed all the Palin-haters on teh left, it reads just like an ugly, angry lefty blog. They like to think they're smart and pretend there's all these reasons for why they feel like they do but they're not smart at all because if they were they'd recognize that it's just the same old, every-day hate. Sad cause it just spreads unless you recognize it let it go. They can't even celebrate be happy about the election cause they're too busy watching what COD is doing and letting the bile eat away at them. Not that they'd admit that.

Posted by: jcp370 at November 05, 2010 07:59 PM (nvlAW)

1019 @1018
+100000000

"the Republicans lost six seats in 2006 and eight in 2008, when the Tea Party didnt yet exist."


QFMFT

Posted by: A merican C onservative E stablishment at November 05, 2010 08:00 PM (Y8vi9)

1020 Could you at least explain what this "we" versus "you" thing is? I don't get it.
Are we not on the same side in wanting to promote conservative principles?
Even if you assume we all wanted the same thing - and when it's fine and dandy when you're talking big principles and ideas but I'm really really not sure 'everyone' is on the same page when you get into the details of who, how and what - it's rather obvious we've in mind wildly divergent strategies on how to achieve it.

Posted by: Entropy at November 05, 2010 08:13 PM (eL+YD)

1021 I will support Snowe, NOT because I
like her positions at all, rather in this almost perfect year, while
the Republican won the Governor, he got like 38% (granted in a 4 way
race), yet 2 seemingly decent Conservatives in the House races got
similar total. Maine might be a bridge too far.
Regards,

Posted by: the Dragon at November 05, 2010 06:42 PM (gRSqy)
IMO, you should at a minimum clear 50 ACU rating (50% conservative) and keep that or better as an average for your support (5 year rolling average to avoid one bad year for the "moderates" is fine) or I'm for replacing you. (Yes, the whole "if I think I can do better than you in your state" still applies, but my low end is the 45-50 range and 31 ain't there).
If you try to kick me more than you try to kick our political opponents... you are on their side. If this were a paintball match and I had more "friendly fire" shots than hits on the other team... how long would you let me stay on your team?If it's "a bridge to far"; let it go. Otherwise people see liberal ideas from "Republicans" and you've got no hope of them trusting you as "conservative".Or maybe I'm wrong. If so, lets see if we can get Feingold to switch parties and run against Whitehouse for Senator of RI. Why not? Feingold has a lifetime ACU rating of 13 to Whitehouse's rating of 3; 10 points is enough to support a candidate; right?Then we can own both sides of McCain-Feingold... that'd be awesome.

Posted by: Gekkobear at November 05, 2010 08:39 PM (7TZuc)

1022 "This isn't about what kind of candidate Castle was, this is about criticizing Rove for speaking his mind. So you're sayingit would have been okay for Rove to criticize a candidate you don't like but not one you do? Seems a bit unfair to Rove. Isn't he allowed the same choice as you? And you really don't believe he had that much influence over the Delaware voters, do you? If that were the case, shouldn't he have beennegated by Palin's and Hannity's and, for sure, by Rush's support for O'Donnell?
Posted by: Deanna at November 05, 2010 07:43 PM (twT6I)"
Rove can say what he wants. He had a dog in this fight and LOST. Rather than act like a man, he decided to throw a temper tantrum, like any good Establishment Typewould. AFTER, got that? AFTER, he had lost. Not unlike Christine now that engendered so much criticism. In addition, his continuing outbursts gave currency/approval to the media to pile on.
Coordinated, you had Charles the Kraut go off on DeMint Palin, blaming them.
These "Pond Scum" were attacking personally...NOT Ideas (that's understandable, since they couldn't hold an idea within their attention on a dare). Rove said there were things that MUST be proven. The info was there and he tried to walk it back.
Christine O'Donnell got most of the sympathy because these "IDIOTS" were acting like the worst of the Left. That includes the NSRCC, Rove, the Kraut and numerious bloggers including Ace, Drew, PowerLine, National Review...
Too bad Castle didn't win, then it would have been interesting to see your upset if Rush Hannity had kept attacking his being a Democrat. Ace Drew would have screamed to high heaven. They would have been correct.
But this episode tells me ALL I need to know about Ace Drew as humans. It's not pretty. Is that personal? You betcha, I treat individuals as they treat others. Ace Drew have earned NO respect.
Regards,

Posted by: the Dragon at November 05, 2010 08:39 PM (gRSqy)

1023 I'm sure it's covered in the 90k comments above, but:

#1 With
"1, she wasn't bright (at all), 2, she had no accomplishments whatsoever (and yes, people do want to know someone's actually done
something to earn the right to be one of 100 in the Senate), 3, she had
a series of bizarre statements from her past ("mice with fully
functioning human brains"), and 4, she couldn't articulate a
conservative message in a way that sounded appealing or intelligent"

You just described President Obama, as a chick, but still.

#2 It's the Biden seat. THE BIDEN SEAT, we could've run a comatose candidate with a medieval hag interpreting the drool spilling onto the pillow to articulate a platform, and--all things being relative--still taken the candidate seriously.

I get it; we should run serious candidates for serious positions. But every time someone starts running O'Donnell down, I can't help thinking BUT IT'S THE BIDEN SEAT!! Goddamn.

Posted by: Boss Mongo at November 05, 2010 08:44 PM (fo4tK)

1024 She was such an awful candidate I can't think of a single Senate race she could have won. She would have lost to Blanche Lincoln.

Posted by: Suzy at November 05, 2010 08:45 PM (Zv/Dd)

1025 All this over a woman who has a complaint filed against her for misuse of campaign money, for possible tax evasion, for fraudulent statements...all of this importance over such a person.
And now she's getting book deal offers...why is it so hard for some to entertain the notion that perhaps she lied to her supporters? That she isn't worth defending?

Posted by: unknown jane at November 05, 2010 09:24 PM (5/yRG)

1026
COD did the Nation a huge favor.

She kept Mike Castle out of the Senate seat.


Posted by: eman at November 05, 2010 09:37 PM (5/qO3)

1027 Too bad Castle didn't win, then it would have been interesting to see your upset if Rush Hannity had kept attacking his being a Democrat. Ace Drew would have screamed to high heaven. They would have been correct.
But this episode tells me ALL I need to know about Ace Drew as humans. It's not pretty. Is that personal? You betcha, I treat individuals as they treat others. Ace Drew have earned NO respect.
Regards,
Posted by: the Dragon at November 05, 2010 08:39 PM
I'm not upset about anything. LOL Just because Ace and Drew aren't agreeing with your assessment of a candidate you are this upset?Geez you really got it bad for O'Donnell. I wonder if you would have been this upset if it had been a balding middle aged man instead of a perky young woman? I seriously doubt it. And Ace and Drew shouldn't criticize people you like, is that it? Well that ought to narrow the crowd a bit. Oh and if there is anyone who can show me any proof that O'Donnell is a Conservative other than her saying so....{{{{{crickets.}}}}} So let's put that to rest right now please. In actuality she was the "anyone but Castle" candidate...nothing more.

Posted by: Deanna at November 05, 2010 09:44 PM (twT6I)

1028 Good riddance, Mike Castle.

Posted by: MlR at November 05, 2010 09:48 PM (bXmuq)

1029 Long term, it is better to run on principles and take the losses when they come. But to keep running on conservatism and keep articulating and explaining conservatism to the people. Reagan worked for decades in explaining conservatism to the people through his speeches and activism and campaigning for office. In the short run for him, it did not pay off as he lost his first campaign for President. But he learned from that, stayed true to his principles and kept at it and in the long run, it was a winning strategy for him, for conservatism and for the nation. The Rovian/"moderate" way has been a proven to be a loser. The GOP went from having a majority in Congress to being completely wiped up and made irrelevant while giving super-majorities in Congress to the Democrats... within a matter of 6 years. Indeed. But, likesocialism and , communism, we'll keep trying to do the rovian way, which is just the nixonian way, which is the Rockefeller way, and on and on, no matter how many times it fails.
Why? Because beating the drum of conservatism is HARD. People make fun of you and call you names, like 'fraud', and 'no talent', 'stupid', 'unaccomplished', etc.
'moderates' simply don't have the guts to do it because they have no strength of character.

Posted by: Joy Behar at November 05, 2010 09:53 PM (X1Y8q)

1030 1043
970 -- and what happens if/when you find out O'Donnell is using her campagin contributions on personal items, and the TP gets turned on quite publicly by her if it dares to voice any criticism? What then?
If it comes to pass that she's found to be a sham, am I then allowed back my disdain?
Posted by: unknown jane at November 05, 2010 07:54 PM (5/yRG)
Like what kind of personal items? Toilet paper or cars? I don't think it really matters to you. You just want a reason to hate her so you don't appear petty. Too late for that.
The Tea Party isn't afraid of Christine O'Donnell. The Tea Party is the only reason that anyone knows who Christine O'Donnell is. She exists because of the Tea Party, not vice versa.
Being conservatives, we don't take kindly to anyone that is found to betaking advantage of us for purely personal gain. If Christine is one of those people, then she is in big trouble.

Posted by: Joy Behar at November 05, 2010 09:58 PM (X1Y8q)

1031 @1059
I wonder if you would have been this upset if it had been a balding middle aged man instead of a perky young woman?
Posted by: Deanna at November 05, 2010 09:44 PM (twT6I)


Are YOU this upset Deanna because it was a fairly attractive woman?

Posted by: goosey at November 05, 2010 10:09 PM (kgs/Q)

1032 If O'Donnell was not a viable candidate, then neither is Palin.

Posted by: Billy Jerk at November 05, 2010 10:16 PM (3RuDB)

1033 Are YOU this upset Deanna because it was a fairly attractive woman?
Posted by: goosey at November 05, 2010 10:09 PM
Nope...not upset at all. But the question is still a valid one. I haven't seen this many posters come to the defence of other candidates who have much more credible Conservative bonfides. And do you have that Conservative info on O'Donnell I was asking about? Try again.

Posted by: Deanna at November 05, 2010 10:24 PM (twT6I)

1034 Oh boy, THIS shzt again.

And in the next post Ace says he's afraid of being called RINO.

Okay then, we should burn her, and half the Tea Party for being "blind loyal" or something. Then hot pokers in your least favorite eyeball and a hair shirt, just for grins.

Just another reason you'll never catch me signing up for anything with a "republican party" brand on it.

Posted by: K~Bob at November 05, 2010 10:27 PM (K0qRu)

1035
Rules.

1) Fight like a crack whore for your candidate in the primary.

2) Fight like a starving crack whore for the nominee in the general.

3) If you can't do Rule 2, do no harm.

If ace, DrewM, et al had followed these rules, we could all look each other in the eye and say we did our best as a team.

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Posted by: fsafs at November 05, 2010 10:33 PM (VjW3C)

1037 @1059
I wonder if you would have been this upset if it had been a balding middle aged man instead of a perky young woman?
Posted by: Deanna at November 05, 2010 09:44 PM (twT6I)


Well, there must be reason you brought this up.. You people love to sexualize female candidates you don't like and then cast aspersions on people who are offended by it.

How about you take a gander at these comments and get a friggin clue as to why someone would support her over a complete sellout.

Posted by: goosey at November 05, 2010 10:39 PM (kgs/Q)

1038 Ace - don't be a JACKASS!!

I've listened to this woman - precisely because The MainStream Media, Conservative Elites, and people like YOU (...hmm - wonder which category you're in?) have only been interested in Firehosing Contempt and yelling "Just Shut UP!!" at her.

I watched her 24-minute video.

She's articulate and intelligent - and has a good understanding of what her positions are and why she holds them.

She hasn't been whining even ONCE - after her own party Royally screwed her and themselves at the same time.

She's been telling the truth - with class and graciousness and no baggage.

Everything she is saying - appears to be correct.

Live it - or Live WITH it!

Posted by: GrtflMark at November 05, 2010 10:55 PM (MKkM5)

1039 O'Donnel is not going anywhere. The media will keep giving her time, because it helps the Democrats.

She will be around in 2012, too, stirring the shit pot. The MSM will make sure of that, and O'Donnel has played the role of token crazy conservative before on Maher's show. She knows its her ticket for money after that lawsuit against the conservative think-tank failed. She may think she is Palin, but the media is gleeful, and brush to tar everyone with.

Posted by: sexypig at November 05, 2010 11:08 PM (EDeS6)

1040 Oh, and ACE basically supported her. He did blow a whistle a few times saying "hey, this person has some problems" but he ended up backing down. IMHO, he should not have backed down, but not endorsed Castle either.

Look, if we found a candidate that sounded perfect, that made awesome speeches, but had no experience and had some questionable background, its not unfair to worry about that. A loose cannon technically can be used against the enemy, but its more dangerous to our own ship.

Posted by: sexypig at November 05, 2010 11:13 PM (EDeS6)

1041 She's articulate and intelligent Yep. Just intelligent enough to fool people into funding her future rent bills, being the grifter she is. Intelligent on policy? Not so much.

Posted by: Chris in Va at November 05, 2010 11:15 PM (uCjoj)

1042 @ 991 -- My full name's right there. I'm linked on Facebook. Not hard to find at all. If you want to meet with me face-to-face, I'll be more than happy to oblige. Just send me a Facebook friend request and I'll accept it. Then, I'll send you an address where we can meet, sit down (or stand up, however you want to deal with things) and hash this out.


Posted by: Walt Gilbert at November 05, 2010 11:36 PM (PmZ9N)

1043 Oh, and ACE basically supported her. He did blow a whistle a few times saying "hey, this person has some problems" but he ended up backing down
Not good enough! He should've gone all in! Sure, COD is a hypocritical grifter bitch, but she HATES ELITES! And isn't HATING ELITES what conservatism is all about? Them and rich people, with their cocktail parties and more money than me. I hate them!

Posted by: Paul at November 06, 2010 12:25 AM (DsHk0)

1044 Some would rather have an (R) in the slot no matter how they vote - even if they vote with the (D)'s 100% of the time? Is that what I'm reading?
Others would rather - as long as the votes are going with the (D)'s anyway - have a (D) in the office to take the credit/blame?
Bingo. Because you see, getting to say "I told you so" after the country is fucking destroyed doesn't really fill me with joy.

Posted by: Paul at November 06, 2010 12:27 AM (DsHk0)

1045 What 1067 1070 said. Doubled. Apparently the only person on the planet more powerful than Christine O'Donnell is George W. Bush.
But for those folks who just couldn't stomach her, do you really think things will work any better with Coons? Really?? Good luck to you, then. She won the primary, she was the candidate. She SHOULD have had her party's support.

Posted by: NoMoRinos at November 06, 2010 12:31 AM (Bvxb9)

1046 And it's gotta be said, Rush has totally jumped the shark. "Never compromise"? Who actually fucking lives their life like that? Certainly not him. One minute he's whipping people into a populist frenzy, the next he's palling around with Elton John at million-dollar private gigs. But HE's not a "cocktail conservative", oh no.

Posted by: Paul at November 06, 2010 12:32 AM (DsHk0)

1047 Seriously? Hiring someone to perform a specific task is not compromising one's personal ethics. And it's not "pal-ing around" either. If, however, Boehner wants to meet 0bie in the middle and cave in on 0careor tax n crap, that is an entirely different matter, and Rush is absolutely corrent. No compromise. No surrender. No quarter.
You may return to your cabernet now.

Posted by: NoMoRinos at November 06, 2010 12:52 AM (Bvxb9)

1048 "O'Donnell didn't cost us one seat; she cost us three. Chalk Rossi's and Buck's loss up to her as well..."
Mike Castle should have been the candidate instead of O'Donnell, then when he won Buck and Rossi would have won as well, or did I miss something in your logic? Oh, and Castle would have certainly been a conservative champion in the Senate as well, apparently.

Posted by: GuyAverage at November 06, 2010 12:56 AM (3dXLP)

1049 Can we just get to the part where the Ewok refuses to munch O'Donnels icky, toothy vag because it frightens his love-teddy, or something like that?
Jesus, people. Even monkeys in captivity take breaks from jerking off and flinging poo around.

Posted by: Andrew the Noisy at November 06, 2010 01:18 AM (RDp3R)

1050 ROVE!!! Is that you????

;-)

Posted by: Hawkins1701 at November 06, 2010 01:25 AM (xfA17)

1051 O'Donnell didn't cost us one seat; she cost us three. Chalk Rossi's and Buck's loss up to her as well.

Now that I have thought about this more Ace I think THAT has to be the single stupidest thing you have written since I started reading you a few years ago. And to lead off with it yet. What the FUCK were you thinking?


Posted by: Rocks at November 06, 2010 01:40 AM (AoVGn)

1052 Unity. You have a murky way of showing to Ace.
You can see how she cost us seats but you can't see how Castle costs us Presidency's, Senate and House seats? You can't see how Castle costs us prescription drug entitlement? How about costs us McCain and therefore Obama care.
You are very good at politics. You are good at measuring arguments to gain the maximum amount of conservative dems, moderates and moderate independents.
You are horrible at understanding the conservative base. Sad for a 'conservative' site.
Clue. We are Republicans and we are independents we are conservatives. You never seem to take us into account in your long winded political calculations. Consider us and you will understand things much better. Or maybe you don't want our votes.
Be careful though because there are more of us than there are of you. We can win any primary we wish to get involved in. You know that if you were paying attention this election.

Posted by: Repeal at November 06, 2010 01:59 AM (8xwyL)

1053 @ 1084 -- Win all the primaries you want. You're more screwed without the RINOs than they are without you.

Posted by: Walt Gilbert at November 06, 2010 02:05 AM (PmZ9N)

1054 Actually no. Because you are the ones who desire power over principles.
You are the tax collector for the welfare state.

Posted by: Repeal at November 06, 2010 02:12 AM (8xwyL)

1055 @ 1086 -- Which leaves you with no power and no money.

Posted by: Walt Gilbert at November 06, 2010 02:14 AM (PmZ9N)

1056 Furthermore I have no idea where you Walt Gilbert fall on the political spectrum but I bet you aren't a RINO.
Insults fly quicky around here but you shouldn't try to read my mind.

Posted by: Repeal at November 06, 2010 02:16 AM (8xwyL)

1057 Power yes. Money no.

Posted by: Repeal at November 06, 2010 02:18 AM (8xwyL)

1058 Win all the primaries you want. You're more screwed without the RINOs than they are without you.

Posted by: Walt Gilbert at November 06, 2010 02:05 AM (PmZ9N)

Actually this election has proved that not to be true. You see without the kind of people who think favorably about COD, or at least what she stood for, the Republican party was toast in 2006 and 08. They lost everywhere. They came back this year and won the largest victory for the party in 60 years. Yes the loss of the RINOs almost certainly cost us 2 seats, NV and CO, but their support gained us nothing. The Republican party made almost no headway in federal offices in blue states. Despite RINO approved candidates, and heavy cash and support for, like Fiorina, McMahon and Rossi.

Posted by: Rocks at November 06, 2010 02:19 AM (AoVGn)

1059 Thanks Rocks!
Quite right.

Posted by: Repeal at November 06, 2010 02:21 AM (8xwyL)

1060 @ 1088 -- It doesn't matter what anyone calls me. It's just a dumbass acronym used cow dissident conservatives into toeing the line.

Posted by: Walt Gilbert at November 06, 2010 02:25 AM (PmZ9N)

1061 I need to retink the POWER YES thing. You guys are such characters you actually turn people off. Many people. Socynical and obvious. Perhaps without you and your power tripping ilk we could do better.

Posted by: Repeal at November 06, 2010 02:26 AM (8xwyL)

1062 @ 1090 -- You do realize that Fiorina and McMahon ran in states much like the one O'Donnell ran in and got her ass kicked, right? You know ... states without enough Republicans of any stripe to win without the votes of Democrats.

I'm not sure you even know what RINO stands for. I'll give you a hint ... the first word stands for "Republican".

Posted by: Walt Gilbert at November 06, 2010 02:40 AM (PmZ9N)

1063 It's just a dumbass acronym used cow dissident conservatives into toeing the line.

Posted by: Walt Gilbert at November 06, 2010 02:25 AM (PmZ9N)

Not really. Look at the exit polling for the senate races in DE, NV, CO and CT. Every one of those R candidates had 5-6% more of their own party voters vote for their Dem opponent. In a year which everyone knew was to be a very good one for Repubs yet. In the case of CO it cost him the elction. In NV had Angle recieved the same level of support from her own party as Reid did she would have lost by 12,00 votes. Why? What is the dynamic here? There's only one conclusion. RINOS. People who not only not support their own party nominee they actually vote for their opponent. If the the name RINO doesn't fit there I don't know what does. If these people were so put off by these candidates they could have at least out of party loyalty refrained from voting. But they didn't. Instead they voted FOR a Democrat.
And it's clear what is most important to these RINOs. Class. Education level. But mostly class. It even overrides ideology to the point they will vote for someone diametrically opposed to their professed ideology simply because they fit the RINOs preference for a certain class of candidate.
Sorry but no. What this election has proved pretty well is that RINOS are poison to the Republican party as a national entity. The do far more damage then good and are disproportionally powerful within the party considering their numbers.

Posted by: Rocks at November 06, 2010 02:44 AM (AoVGn)

1064 Ok Walt you are either Joe Scarborough or Kathleen Parker. Which is it?

Posted by: Repeal at November 06, 2010 02:46 AM (8xwyL)

1065 @ 1093 -- Well, hey ... if you're not really into the whole "POWER" thing, it's all pretty simple. Just nominate people like O'Donnell in ever election. That way, you get to feel good about giving a bunch of money to someone without having to worry about the whole nasty business of legislating or governing. Just put a name on the ballot and let the other guy win. You don't even have to campaign.

Easy-peasy.

Posted by: Walt Gilbert at November 06, 2010 02:46 AM (PmZ9N)

1066 No wait. Youare Frum.

Posted by: Repeal at November 06, 2010 02:48 AM (8xwyL)

1067 Ok I will.

Posted by: Repeal at November 06, 2010 02:49 AM (8xwyL)

1068 You do realize that Fiorina and McMahon ran in
states much like the one O'Donnell ran in and got her ass kicked,
right? You know ... states without enough Republicans of any stripe to
win without the votes of Democrats. Posted by: Walt Gilbert at November 06, 2010 02:40 AM (PmZ9N)
Yes I do know that, and they got pummeled almost as bad as COD. Yet these were the RINO establishment heroes for this election. Even if they lost they should have at least made it a close race if the RINOs are to be believed correct? Hell even with Dems running a straight out crook in Ill it took the Green party candidate getting over 100,000 votes to get Kirk over the line.

Posted by: Rocks at November 06, 2010 02:54 AM (AoVGn)

1069 @ 1095 -- When members of your own party defect to vote for candidates of the other party, it's because you put up the wrong candidate for the people in the state. It only takes half an idiot to understand that. Hence Rand Paul winning in Kentucky ... because Jack Conway was too liberal for Kentucky Democrats, who actually outnumber Republicans almost 2-1.

Kentucky has a lot of conservative Democrats, and Delaware has a lot of liberal Republicans. It was DINOs who gave Rand Paul the win. Again, it only takes half an idiot.

Posted by: Walt Gilbert at November 06, 2010 02:55 AM (PmZ9N)

1070 @ 1100 -- Who's more conservative, Mark Kirk or J.D. Hayworth? Which state is more conservative, Arizona or Illinois?

Now, who's ass is sitting at home right now?

Posted by: Walt Gilbert at November 06, 2010 03:00 AM (PmZ9N)

1071 When members of your own party defect to vote for
candidates of the other party, it's because you put up the wrong
candidate for the people in the state. It only takes half an idiot to
understand that. Hence Rand Paul winning in Kentucky ... because Jack
Conway was too liberal for Kentucky Democrats, who actually outnumber
Republicans almost 2-1.Kentucky has a lot of conservative
Democrats, and Delaware has a lot of liberal Republicans. It was DINOs
who gave Rand Paul the win. Again, it only takes half an idiot.

Posted by: Walt Gilbert at November 06, 2010 02:55 AM (PmZ9N)

Yes that is the RINO mantra. But tell me how much more liberal than Fiorina and McMahon do we have to get before we win in these states? At this point why not just endorse Boxer and Blumenthal and be done with it? Why is anyone suppose to care if liberal Republicans get elected over liberal Democrats?
If that's what it takes to get it right then no one should be surprised that people say I'd rather be wrong. They are going to end up with a liberal and liberal policies anyway.

Posted by: Rocks at November 06, 2010 03:09 AM (AoVGn)

1072 Who's more conservative, Mark Kirk or J.D. Hayworth? Which state is more conservative, Arizona or Illinois?Now, who's ass is sitting at home right now?

Posted by: Walt Gilbert at November 06, 2010 03:00 AM (PmZ9N)

Hayworth had a lot of baggage and 22 million dollars of advertising against him and Kirk will be back home on his ass again in 6 years. He didn't win because he was liberal enough for Ill. He won because the Dem candidate was so corrupt even all the liberals wouldn't support him and voted green. If it takes liberal votes on the biggest issues facing the country, like amnesty and cap trade, to get a Republican an occasional single term in a blue state then just let the Dems have it.

Posted by: Rocks at November 06, 2010 03:17 AM (AoVGn)

1073 @ 1104 -- Do you think the Democrats in Kentucky aren't kicking themselves in the ass right now for not picking Dan Mongiardo instead of Conway?

Another example from Kentucky: Ben Chandler (D) vs. Andy Barr (R). Chandler won by a very slim margin. He represents the most Democratic district in the state. But, he's a (relatively) conservative Democrat, as are most Democrats in Kentucky. Andy Barr is by no means a RINO ... he's plenty conservative. But, since Chandler was a close enough match for Kentucky Democrats, he carried the day.

And the liberal Democrats are damn happy to have the seat, even if it did mean voting for someone who votes with the other side more often than they'd like. And, they'd have happily voted for Dan Mongiardo if given the chance. That's because they're not stupid.

And what do you want to bet they won't make the mistake of nominating another Jack Conway next time around?

Posted by: Walt Gilbert at November 06, 2010 03:22 AM (PmZ9N)

1074 @ 1105 -- By your reasoning, it would have been best to go ahead and let Gianoulias and Glassman have those seats.

Posted by: Walt Gilbert at November 06, 2010 03:28 AM (PmZ9N)

1075 Oh and BTW. If Rand had only won 8% of Dems as his opponent did Rs instead of 16% he would still have won by over 50,000 votes.

No one is suggesting you don't need a moderate to win in Blue States but if you are going to lose with a moderate anyway, like Fiorina, Rossi and McMahon, then what the hell is the point of seriously contesting the race at all? Yes, occasionally a charismatic candidate will come along worthy of support. But these people rise of their own volition. Inspiring support. They don't win because the RINO establishment in those states decided it's their turn.

Posted by: Rocks at November 06, 2010 03:29 AM (AoVGn)

1076 @ 1108 -- Right. Because, like I said, there's a nearly 2-1 D-to-R registration advantage in KY.

And it seems to me that you've been suggesting all along that you don't need a moderate to win in blue states, and if you do, it's not worth trying. That's precisely what you've said throughout this thread.

Posted by: Walt Gilbert at November 06, 2010 03:38 AM (PmZ9N)

1077 By your reasoning, it would have been best to go ahead and let Gianoulias and Glassman have those seats.

Posted by: Walt Gilbert at November 06, 2010 03:28 AM (PmZ9N)

Best? No. But it I think the fact that Quinn won anyway shows Kirk's ideology did nothing for him. In this case a more conservative candidate would still have won as they were voting against Gianoulias, not for Kirk. Not a Rand Paul no, but someone who is not going to flip on Cap and Trade as Kirk is sure to do. He would will look at those numbers the Green candidate got and say to himself if I had held solid on my liberal votes in the House then I wouldn't have needed the Green candidate. He will flip on it and other things and lose in 6 years anyway because the Dems will not be in disarray and can pick their own candidate without worrying if it might piss off the President.

Posted by: Rocks at November 06, 2010 03:41 AM (AoVGn)

1078 Right. Because, like I said, there's a nearly 2-1 D-to-R registration advantage in KY.And
it seems to me that you've been suggesting all along that you don't
need a moderate to win in blue states, and if you do, it's not worth
trying. That's precisely what you've said throughout this thread.

Posted by: Walt Gilbert at November 06, 2010 03:38 AM (PmZ9N)

According to the exit polls the voters identified as 40% R and 38% D. Hell I know plenty of people who are registered Dem in CT and haven't voted for a Dem for any office in 15 years.

And that isn't what I said at all. What I said was if you are going to lose with a moderate anyway then there is little point in making those races a national issue. Go ahead and try but it's a little stupid to have the National party spending millions of dollars and campaigning like crap there. And if it takes a local rebellion and tossing a guy like Mike Castle out of Congress once in awhile by nominating a COD to light a fire under the ass of the Rs in that state then so be it. Maybe it will at least fire them up and get them to start rebuilding the party locally and get some decent candidates.

It's not a national friggin tragedy COD was a Republican and that Mike Castle isn't in the Senate as Ace and so many suggest.

Posted by: Rocks at November 06, 2010 03:52 AM (AoVGn)

1079 And BTW Walt by suggesting I am against people who support amnesty or cap trade is what you mean when you say I am against moderates. That isn't true. The majority of the American people are against those things. There is nothing moderate about advocating and voting for those things. If that's what it takes to get an R elected in a Blue State then the hell with those "moderates".

Posted by: Rocks at November 06, 2010 04:17 AM (AoVGn)

1080 And Ace, who's never lost by whatever, is still attack blogging.
Give it to her good.
Bitch broke up the Beatles.

Posted by: guinsPen at November 06, 2010 06:53 AM (nvbQd)

1081 People, people - you've ALL got it dead wrong. Delaware rejected O'Donnell because they like sexy nurse costumes on their female candidates - NOT ladybugs. A woman with gravitas would know this.

Posted by: What Did Della Wear? at November 06, 2010 08:25 AM (wTSvK)

1082 I don't know what O'Donnell's gripe is -in 2008 she was the GOP establishment candidate - and she lost by 30. This time she only lost by 17. Progress, my girl. Progress. Rome wasn't built in a day, and neither was Granogue.

Posted by: Delaware Scared at November 06, 2010 08:33 AM (UnMRd)

1083 O'Donnell didn't cost us one seat; she cost us three. Chalk Rossi's and Buck's loss up to her as well.
She did cost GOP seats on her down ticket. Colin Benini, state senator, likely would have won the Treasurer seat on a ballot headed by Castle. Rossi and Buck - not sure I follow that train of thought. However she did bleed votes away from Pat Toomey in neighboring Delaware County (PA). But she raised her national profile and now is working on "book deals", so hey - it's all good!

Posted by: OK serious now at November 06, 2010 08:46 AM (UnMRd)

1084 You know how the freepers did a meme on Looter Guy and Vacation Gal? They need to do one with O'Donnell and call it Conspiracy Chick.

Posted by: I Will Not Be Ignored at November 06, 2010 08:59 AM (wTSvK)

1085 from somewhere in the wilds of the upthread:
"If Christie can win in NJ, a conservative can win in ME or DE."
Christie was a US Attorney who successfully prosecuted every type of corruption. IOW, he was a candidate who was in touch with the real world.
ay caramba

Posted by: Well there's that... at November 06, 2010 09:08 AM (wTSvK)

1086 1070 @ 991 -- My full name's right there. I'm linked on Facebook. Not hard to find at all. If you want to meet with me face-to-face, I'll be more than happy to oblige. Just send me a Facebook friend request and I'll accept it. Then, I'll send you an address where we can meet, sit down (or stand up, however you want to deal with things) and hash this out.
Posted by: Walt Gilbert at November 05, 2010 11:36 PM (PmZ9N)
That's what I'M talkin about. Steel cage match between hairy-knuckled RINO hunter and Vichy Republican who spends all his time being elite on the cocktail party circuit. Let the carnage commence!
lol just trying to get this thread to 1500

Posted by: Moronette who loves blood and guts at November 06, 2010 09:19 AM (UnMRd)

1087 Ace - couldn't agree more. Christine O'Donnell was a terrible joke, and despite her "principles", she hurt the conservative cause.

What a worthless shit. Her ego cost us at least 1 senate race, and probably countless other votes because, as you said, that stupid inarticulate moron "THERE ARE MICE WITH HUMAN BRAINS RUNNING AROUND! EEEK!" became the face of the tea party.

Posted by: Brian at November 06, 2010 10:38 AM (bMWWI)

1088 @ 1107
-- (1) There's a difference between voter registration and voter turnout in any given election, and there's a difference between voter registration and voter self-identification in an exit poll.

(2) Who is it that's bitching about the lack of establishment support? Who bitched about the fact that Cornyn wasn't exactly anxious to throw a boatload of money into that DE race? And who was it that turned that race into a national cause celbre? And why the HELL were the speakers form the Tea Party Express talking about Christine O'Donnell during its stop in KENTUCKY? Who was it that decided it was a good idea to nationalize a race that they ended up losing by 17 points? It wasn't John Cornyn, Mike Castle, or Karl Rove.

(2) It's also not a national tragedy that a lot of conservatives had the good sense to be realistic and refuse to embrace the dead-end candidacy of a woman who would go on to get her ass trounced in a race that, had the establishment candidate won the primary, would be in Republican hands -- thus, providing one more seat to the group that, taken en masse, would have obviated the whole issue of cap n' trade and amnesty, since they would never even get out of committee with a GOP majority. But, no ... you want to bitch about the fact that O'Donnell didn't get the level of support you wanted her to get, and then turn around in the same breath and try to convince those who didn't support her that the election wasn't important anyway.

So which is it? Everyone's a bastard for not supporting your candidate? Or, everyone shut up, it's not important?

Posted by: Walt Gilbert at November 06, 2010 10:53 AM (PmZ9N)

1089 Yes, we get it, you hate O'Donnell but please, get a grip, Ace. She was fly paper for the left (her and Angell to a lesser degree). They paid her attention and ignored most of the other candidates. Dino Rossi didn't lose because Christine O'Donnell was running for the Senate, for crying out loud. You're slouching off into TARP-supporting territory again.

Look we understand you're living in deep blue territory surrounded by leftists, but don't let them infect your perspective so much, ok?

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at November 06, 2010 12:13 PM (61b7k)

1090 Aside, from 3

Posted by: BeckoningChasm at November 05, 2010 01:06 PM (bvfVF)

Stand up Chuck!

Posted by: Johnny at November 06, 2010 12:21 PM (kIk8J)

1091 did cost GOP seats on her down ticket. Colin Benini, state senator, likely would have won the Treasurer seat on a ballot headed by Castle. Rossi and Buck - not sure I follow that train of thought. However she did bleed votes away from Pat Toomey in neighboring Delaware County (PA). But she raised her national profile and now is working on "book deals", so hey - it's all good!
She also made it impossible for Republicans to take back the Delaware State House. Indeed, we lost two fucking seats. This will be the first redistrciting since 1960 that Republicans won't control the DE State House. And now they likely never will again.
Thanks Christine, you dumb shit.

Posted by: Chris in Va at November 06, 2010 12:49 PM (uCjoj)

1092 That's the problem with the right? We eat our own. Was O'Donnell a bad candidate? Sure, but during the election- She was OUR bad candidate! Shut up and support. Anyone from the Republican establishment could have stepped in and helped her get her campaign under control, as she asked for help from them enough. Maybe by offering her monetary help, she would have shut up!
Let's face it though- She gets a lot of crap because she is a woman. Joe Biden is an idiot and a little crazy and Delaware has been electing him for YEARS!
I don't think she lost us other seats though. The one election she would have influenced (Toomey) we won.

Posted by: melle1228 at November 06, 2010 02:15 PM (o3WEK)

1093 It's a good thing she lost. at least it costs us only three or so seats. if she went to the senate she would cost us a dozen seats in every election going forward.

thanks again to the tea bozos

Posted by: mikhail at November 06, 2010 02:22 PM (6c0Az)

1094 Mice with Fully Fnctioning Human Brains
Be gone you manifestation of evil!!! You probably have LUST in your heart too!@!

Posted by: The Christine O'Donnell Foundation, Christine O'Donnell, Sole Beneficiary at November 06, 2010 02:38 PM (uCjoj)

1095 She gets a lot of crap because she is a woman
No, she gets a lot of crap because she's an ignorant, crazy, flim-flamming bitch.Glad you want the Party to decline to Joe Biden standards, though (he was stoopid toooo!)

Posted by: Chris in Va at November 06, 2010 02:42 PM (uCjoj)

1096 $ 2M not enough Christie? Oh OK $ 3M, but you gotta wear a witches hat and hold a broom.

Posted by: Hugh Hefner at November 06, 2010 02:59 PM (Swnqg)

1097 It has to be the POST PENTACLE MAIL doing it. It takes awhile for the mail to make it's way through the main office located at the offices of 666 Dark Pits of hell, and then back. (Business is so good down there right now it's worse than XMAS at macys.)

Posted by: Phil at November 06, 2010 03:10 PM (QQiSz)

1098 I have to agree with some of the comments Biden is a moron. I remember back in the early days of DRM how he wanted all devices to have DRM in them.

For example If I wanted to make a digital audio delay, which takes analog audio converts it to digital on and off values, then convert it back, I would "need to have DRM encryption" in the path. - Utter nonsense!

Biden isn't an electronics tech. Yet has the power to destroy our creative electronic juices at low levels. Biden is a sellout for the **AA - it's that simple.

Posted by: Phil at November 06, 2010 03:15 PM (QQiSz)

1099 I don't think she lost us other seats though. The one election she would have influenced (Toomey) we won.
Toomey squeakedout a winin Pennsylvania, he won by 2 points. That night was a nailbiter as we watched the returns come in. Here is the effect that the exploits of Christine had on Delco:
Pat Meehan (R)won Sestak's old seat by 9 points -
Dan Onorato (D)won the county by 6 - his opponent Tom Corbett won the state.
Joe Sestak (D) won the county by 13. Pat Toomey won overall, of course. In Montco Sestak's margin was also considerably more than Onorato'sover Corbett. The convenience stores and libraries that border Delaware state all carry its newspapers, and are within the reach of WDEL's signal. And the Philly media naturally was not favorable to Ms. O'Donnell. Although we were all stunned that the Inquirer endorsed Meehan, but they really had no choice once Lentz admitted his campaign had indulged in dirty tricks.
A toxic candidate can andwill infect other good candidates' races.

Posted by: Marla at November 06, 2010 04:29 PM (kD8Fh)

1100 *Does anyone think she put out a five-million-dollar effort?*

Dude. Her campaign was AWESOME.

Posted by: Martha Coakley's Campaign Manager at November 06, 2010 05:15 PM (oj52M)

1101 Why is it that those who are most emotional (angry) about O'Donnell are missing the most basic and simple fact? The GOP elite managed to botch the primary with Castle, and REGISTERED REPUBLICANS voted in O'Donnell. Who is actually to blame? Is the GOP power structure admitting its ineptitude at winning elections against novice candidates energized by non-political novices? Take a deep breath crybabies.

Posted by: Observer in MA at November 06, 2010 08:06 PM (+pppF)

1102 @ 1131 -- Oh yeah. I'd forgotten all about that whole period where no one was trying to tell the novice candidates and non-political novices that they were making a huge mistake. Why, if I didn't know better, I'd swear there was a moneyed organization and a whole gang of talk radio people pushing O'Donnell in the primary, insisting that anyone who disagreed was part of the Ruling Class Elite who have lived well beyond any usefulness, and had questionable integrity and loyalty if they weren't outright traitors to the cause.

If only somebody had said something!

Posted by: Walt Gilbert at November 06, 2010 10:49 PM (PmZ9N)

1103 >Glad you want the Party to decline to Joe Biden standards, though (he was stoopid toooo!)
No what I am saying is the same standard is not held for women. Women are called on being stupid(especially if they are conservative women), whereas Joe Biden is the fricken VP because of the "experience" he brought to the Obama ticket.
Palin wiped the floor with Biden during their debate-- and which one was called stupid... Yep the conservative women.--- And BTW, there are ALOT of Republican men in the Congress that could give Joe Biden a run for his money.

Posted by: melle1228 at November 06, 2010 11:28 PM (o3WEK)

1104 >A toxic candidate can andwill infect other good candidates' races.
Well geez than don't you think it was the NRCC and the NRSC's job to help manuever her campaign so that she did the least amount ofdamage, instead of frickin ignoring her- or even worse doing more damage to her by speaking against her during the campaign?

Posted by: melle1228 at November 06, 2010 11:31 PM (o3WEK)

1105 @ 1133 -- Thing is, there are also advantages that come along with being a woman. No one would seriously have even considered trying to make Christopher O'Donnell a rising star of the Tea Party movement with the same credentials. The fact that she's a telegenic woman bought her a good deal of slack in the vetting process, as it were.

Posted by: Walt Gilbert at November 06, 2010 11:33 PM (PmZ9N)

1106 O'Donnell sucked... I get that.

Castle sucked too... I'm sorry that this still somehow isn't clear. Average his past 5 years of ACU ratings and you've 36.8. When you fall under a 30 (i.e.. push 70%+ liberal policies) for 3 of the past 5 years it's hard to get a decent ACU rating... you have to be... um... oh yeah Conservative.

I'm not going to support a liberal pushing liberal policies... I'm especially not going to push him as a Republican candidate to displace someone who might push policies that aren't so liberal.

And I'm really not going to get behind a Republican party that has decided that the "goal" is to have as many big government big spending liberals looking to crush our freedom in Congress as possible.

You can say that opposing big government liberals is bad tactics; but helping people who will oppose my ideals and initiatives at every turn still doesn't look clever.

Call me some more names; maybe then I'll be willing to give up more money and freedom and support a government that takes more choices away from me... although they'd better be really good names because that is one ass-stupid idea you're going to be pushing.

Maybe try getting me drunk first.

Posted by: Gekkobear at November 07, 2010 01:09 AM (7TZuc)

1107 <i>966 @ 960 -- Once he was our nominee, even Rush Limbaugh was trying to drag him over the finish line.

This has already been put to bed. Rush damned him with faint praise from the day he secured the nomination all the way through Election Day. I've heard Rush talk about Chris Christie, and I remember hearing him talk about McCain in 2008. It's not even a subtle difference. The message was clear. "I don't like this guy, but he's who we've got. Hey! Biden's a doofus!"

Posted by: Walt Gilbert at November 05, 2010 05:28 PM (PmZ9N) </i>

All of which is a hell of a lot more than Castle, Rove and other GOP establishment types offered COD after she won the DE primary. "I don't like this guy, but he's who we've got" is at least an honest, grudging endorsement, and it surely beats the hell out of "We have no chance to win with this whack job."

Other than that, VJay at976 summed my thoughts on this matter pretty much perfectly.

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1109 @ 1136
-- But for the fact that Castle actually stood an excellent chance of keeping the seat out of the hands of a full-fledged bearded Marxist, whereas O'Donnell stood exactly zero chance -- which was explained ad nauseum before the election -- the point would be well taken.

@ 1137 -- And, as I've pointed out before, there were plenty on the right who outright refused to support McCain -- Hawkins, RS McCain, Erickson, etc. -- until the very last minute. And they had MONTHS to finally come around, as opposed to the six weeks left to try and use bailing wire, chewing gum and duct tape to get O'Donnell across the finish line.

A large segment of the right did everything it possibly could to cripple McCain and depress turnout, right up until the very last instant -- and they only changed their tune so they could say, "Well, I tried. But, I told you so."

Enjoy the pudding. I'll be on vacation for the next week.

Posted by: Walt Gilbert at November 07, 2010 10:12 AM (PmZ9N)

1110 "But for the fact that Castle actually stood an excellent chance of keeping the seat out of the hands of a full-fledged bearded Marxist, whereas O'Donnell stood exactly zero chance"

So the Delaware electorate is so far left that bearded marxists are normal Democrats means.... O'Donnell couldn't have won if she were Jesus.

Rove and the other establishment attacks (or neglects) of Tea Party candidates lost the elections for Republicans.

Posted by: tehag at November 07, 2010 10:18 AM (MqWJF)

1111 thanx for all ...

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