RIP Pontiac

GM's agreements with Pontiac dealers officially expire Oct 31.

Courtesy of the GarageBlog, one of the primary reasons this patient died on the table was producing a long series of mediocre vehicles so damn butt ugly, they looked like well...a Pontiac Aztek.

ugly car pic
Seriously, I'd rather be seen driving a clapped out smoke belching Trabant than be seen in an Aztek. At least the clapped out Trabant has a certain panache. That fugly car just looks wrong, almost like it was styled by some prop design reject who escaped from a $10,000 low budget Elbonian knockoff of RoboCop.

Posted by: Purp at 02:11 PM



Comments

1
It was 'Aztek', and yes it was ass-ugly.

Posted by: Dang Straights at October 30, 2010 02:13 PM (tLPCU)

2 We gonna have any liveblogging of the "Rally To Burn Down Detroit (again, like you could tell the difference)" doings this weekend?

Posted by: cali grump at October 30, 2010 02:15 PM (hL0k8)

3 I was forced to drive one once when the rental car I reserved wasn't available. I felt like a guy in a trench coat going into an adult theater in the middle of a schoolyard.

Posted by: pep at October 30, 2010 02:16 PM (8zlLq)

4 The chicken decal on Trans Ams was fugly also, but Jim Rockford drove a Firebird so that made up for it.

Posted by: Big Honkin' V8 at October 30, 2010 02:18 PM (3W1+C)

5 I remember the old 60's vintage Gran Prix. My grandfather had one of those. It was a nice riding car but a huge gas hog. But the ultimate 60s vintage Pontiac, the 1965 Goat with 3 deuces.

Posted by: Vic at October 30, 2010 02:18 PM (/jbAw)

6
I'll see your AZTEC and raise you a....

VW THING.

Remember them?

Posted by: Soothsayerwing Plover at October 30, 2010 02:19 PM (uFokq)

7 Looks kinda like a squared off AMC Pacer so I guess it was inevitable.

Posted by: Buzzsaw at October 30, 2010 02:19 PM (tf9Ne)

8 Always looked like a sneaker to me.

Posted by: tcn at October 30, 2010 02:23 PM (+dwY/)

9 Isn't that the car from Breaking Bad

Posted by: Iblis at October 30, 2010 02:23 PM (RU5oN)

10 VW THING.

The thing had panache and history though, being an updated and consumerized version of the WWII Kubelwagon (the German's version of a Jeep).

If VW has sold it as a Jeep type vehicle, it would never have generated the kind of laughes it did.

Posted by: Purple Avenger at October 30, 2010 02:24 PM (8A5/g)

11 Two of the best cars I ever owned were Pontiac's. My 87 Trans AM GTA and my 2000 Grand Prix. Never had a GTO (the original ones from the 60's) but I see one occasionally around town and they are still one of the smokin hottest sports cars from the day. I think with the Aztec though, they officially jumped the shark. We got stuck with one on a rental in FL one year. Everyone called it the ugly Aztec and we still joke about it 12 years later.

Posted by: Jon in TX at October 30, 2010 02:24 PM (lRqIF)

12 Ugly? How about this one?

http://tinyurl.com/349x9cx

Posted by: Vic at October 30, 2010 02:25 PM (/jbAw)

13 looked like various design teams were given tasks: you design the hood, you design the nose, you design the back....

then they stuck it all together. A car by committee

Posted by: Frank G at October 30, 2010 02:25 PM (4X0aT)

14 Hey guys! Take that Porno-pumpkin link down. It is full of viruses.

Posted by: Kreiger at October 30, 2010 02:26 PM (YjJ53)

15 I kind of liked the VW Things.

the Aztec was so ugly that just sleeping in one with his mom lost Colby "Survivor: Africa."

it's true! google it!

Posted by: BlackOrchid at October 30, 2010 02:27 PM (SB0V2)

16 They will be missed, but not for the Aztek. Shit, they couldn't even spell that correctly. They were trying to be too cute by half.
What I'll remember:
Any 1960's GTO's, especially the ones with three dueces (Vic!)and 455 Trans Am Firebirds (a big block in aCamaro, essentially) and GTO Judges.
*sigh* I miss musclecars...

Posted by: BackwardsBoy at October 30, 2010 02:27 PM (3jxR/)

17 If you have any questions I'll be back at the reservation, grievin' with a bottle of Old Grandad. Grievin' real hard...

Posted by: Chief Pontiac at October 30, 2010 02:28 PM (+1bKz)

18 Ah, my 1965 2+2! basically a Bonneville w/ bucket seats , a console, 421 c.i. V 8 w/ 3 deuces and a four speed. That was a car!

Posted by: connielu at October 30, 2010 02:28 PM (vVy67)

19 The clapped out Trabant will probably make all the new Pelosi Motors cars look like muscle cars.

Posted by: Purple Avenger at October 30, 2010 02:29 PM (8A5/g)

20 My family owned a Pontiac - can't remember the model - in the 70s and it served us well. My sister "inherited" it in the 80s and it went to its reward shortly thereafter.
Once I saw the butt-ugly Azztek (it really warranted the second "z"), I knew the brand was doomed.

Posted by: ya2daup at October 30, 2010 02:29 PM (yRrAd)

21 Mercury, Saturn and Hummer are all going away, too.

Posted by: mpurinTexas (kicking Mexico's ass since 1836) at October 30, 2010 02:30 PM (xMKKV)

22
the movie INCEPTION...aye or nay?

Posted by: Soothsayer at October 30, 2010 02:33 PM (uFokq)

23 Heh. The aging pony tailed hippie says Stewart's rally had hundreds of thousands of people. His proof is some people on twitter said so. SCIENCE !!!!!!

Posted by: Sam at October 30, 2010 02:34 PM (Cxsey)

24 that Porno-pumpkin link

Which one of you is on the Shag?

Posted by: Dang Straights at October 30, 2010 02:34 PM (tLPCU)

25 Mercury's not a bad loss. Just rebranded Fords, obviously. Ford is kickin' ass. Mulally knows what he's doing.

Posted by: Editor at October 30, 2010 02:35 PM (YX6i/)

26 The origin of the name, "Pontiac", BTW:

Pontiac or Obwandiyag (c. 1720 April 20, 1769), was an Ottawa leader who became famous for his role in Pontiac's Rebellion (17631766), an American Indian struggle against the British military occupation of the Great Lakes region following the British victory in the French and Indian War.

Posted by: ya2daup at October 30, 2010 02:36 PM (yRrAd)

27 GTO, RIP

I have heard the Beach Boys singing, each to each.........

Posted by: SantaRosaStan, poetic at October 30, 2010 02:36 PM (dS2wQ)

28 I always wanted to turn a Pacer into an aquarium.

Posted by: Ed Anger at October 30, 2010 02:36 PM (7+pP9)

29 ...I knew the brand was doomed.
During the '60's, they competed well in the musclecar market, but after the insurance companies killed that niche, it seems they couldn't figure out how to position the brand.
What was with that minivan that looked like the hand-held vacuum a few years back?
However, once the adults are returned to power in Washington and GM becomes a private company again, the resurrection of the brand as a full-fledged, no apologies, testosterone-dripping Euro-killer with a robust racing program might be possible.
I nominate myself for CEO of that effort.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy at October 30, 2010 02:36 PM (3jxR/)

30 Pontiac sucked. The pre 68 GTO was the only thing they ever did well.
You want a Muscle Car? Go with the Blue Oval.

Posted by: garrett at October 30, 2010 02:38 PM (OJjnk)

31 Mercury's not a bad loss. Just rebranded Fords, obviously. Ford is kickin' ass. Mulally knows what he's doing.


Used to have a Grand Marquis. The key had Ford stamped on it. I was looking at a Mercury Villager at one time and was told the only difference between it and the Windstar was the day of the week it was manufactured. If it was a certain day, they stuck the Mercury logos on it, a different day it would be Ford.

Saturn never turned a profit and Hummer was a fad that has run it's course.

Posted by: mpurinTexas (kicking Mexico's ass since 1836) at October 30, 2010 02:39 PM (xMKKV)

32 BackwardsBoy at #29
See Mustang 5.0 Ford has you covered.

Posted by: Bad Ass V8 at October 30, 2010 02:40 PM (3W1+C)

33 Mercury's not a bad loss. Just rebranded Fords
Comet Caliente!

Posted by: garrett at October 30, 2010 02:41 PM (OJjnk)

34 Mercury's not a bad loss.

The problem is loss of the best car in Ford's line, the Crown Vic. Ford quit making the model except for police use. They wanted you to buy the higher priced Grand Marquis Mercury. Now they quit the whole Mercury line.

I simply do not understand it. The Crown Vic was Ford's best selling car.

Posted by: Vic at October 30, 2010 02:44 PM (/jbAw)

35
a) I don't understand how American auto makers thought making the same model under different names was a good business model.

b) I can't believe they got away with it for decades.

I mean, the Regal, the Cutlass, the Grand Prix, Monte Carlo, and the Riviera Toronado, and even the El Dorado were all the same the car from 1978-1986?

*Virtually no difference in the bolded models.


Posted by: Soothsayer at October 30, 2010 02:46 PM (uFokq)

36 The Aztek always looked like it should be sporting an anti-vampire gun turret, while roaming the wasteland in a post apocalyptic future.

Posted by: toby928 at October 30, 2010 02:47 PM (S5YRY)

37 Comet Caliente!

Posted by: garrett at October 30, 2010 02:41 PM (OJjnk)
My next door neighbor had one of those back in the day with the old 289 HP. He thought it was tough stuff until my brother got his 1969 Dart with the 340.

Posted by: Vic at October 30, 2010 02:47 PM (/jbAw)

38 The Pontiac Aztec was made for one purpose: Breaking Bad. With any luck, Heisenberg will be driving a black '66 GTO in season 4.

Posted by: Walter White at October 30, 2010 02:48 PM (Epj2t)

39 See Mustang 5.0 Ford has you covered.
Right you are. One of my friends over in Bradenton whom I used to ride to work with (back when I had a job) nonchalantly pulled into the driveway one morning in a black 5.0. Very nice.
However, I spent my formative years under the hood of a Chevy and if I ever hit the lottery, the first place I'll go is to the Cadillac dealer and get a CTS V, black, with every bell and whistle known to man. I've heard that they're considering a limited edition station wagon with that engine in it. Now that will get the drums to a gig in style.
Although there is a guy in my neighborhood who has a new Shelby GT 500. Lust after it, I do.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy at October 30, 2010 02:48 PM (3jxR/)

40 In lieu of sending flowers, former GTO and Firebird owners can just slit their wrists because there is just no more reason to go on with this charade called life.

Posted by: JC at October 30, 2010 02:50 PM (Mnxnf)

41 True Story. I use to go to the big car accessory show in Vegas, SIMA.

They had an Aztec there the first year all tricked out with a propane stove in the fold down back.

It looks really neat. I asked the guy just what he thought would happen when the car was rear ended and it had a propane tank in it's back?

The stupid MFers had never thought about that.

Honest, I was in shocked at the stupidity. You never saw that stove, I saved or created millions of dollars that GM did not have to pay in lawsuits.

All ugly list? Don't forget the AMC Gremlin!

http://tinyurl.com/37slsa4


Posted by: Kemp at October 30, 2010 02:50 PM (JpFM9)

42 It looks really neat. I asked the guy just what he
thought would happen when the car was rear ended and it had a propane
tank in it's back?The stupid MFers had never thought about that.

Posted by: Kemp at October 30, 2010 02:50 PM (JpFM9)
I don't get it.

Posted by: Pinto at October 30, 2010 02:54 PM (YX6i/)

43 Once a decent company, now a dismal failure brought to you by the blood sucking unions.

Posted by: Barbarian at October 30, 2010 02:55 PM (EL+OC)

44 My next door neighbor had one of those back in the day with the old 289 HP. He thought it was tough stuff until my brother got his 1969 Dart with the 340.
If it was a K-Code 289, it would have had no problem handling that Dart. But 61 Cu. In. is tough to overcome with a small carb and cheap heads. Also, the Dart would have run a min of 3:50 rear while the Caliente was stocked w/ 3:25's.

Posted by: garrett at October 30, 2010 02:55 PM (OJjnk)

45 I think the butt-ugliest thing on the road is a yellow Aztek.

Posted by: Sekhmet at October 30, 2010 02:56 PM (Rp/RA)

46 Had a 98 Grand Prix GTP Coupe that I loved... big enough back seat for the kids... and once I rebuilt the Supercharger, and exhaust, and upgraded the chip... it ran REALLY well...
And it had a Heads up Display.. actualy showed your speed in digiatl numbers on the windshield...

Posted by: Romeo13 at October 30, 2010 02:56 PM (AdK6a)

47 Another classic ugly

http://tinyurl.com/35ls75w

Posted by: Vic at October 30, 2010 02:58 PM (/jbAw)

48 Dang.... no more sequels for me....

Posted by: The Bandit at October 30, 2010 02:58 PM (AdK6a)

49 I think the butt-ugliest thing on the road is a yellow Aztek.

Posted by: Sekhmet at October 30, 2010 02:56 PM (Rp/RA)
Hey, give us a break. We're trying harder.

Posted by: Pea Green Honda Element at October 30, 2010 02:59 PM (YX6i/)

50 Also, the Dart would have run a min of 3:50 rear while the Caliente was stocked w/ 3:25's.

Posted by: garrett at October 30, 2010 02:55 PM (OJjnk)
My brother's had a 3:91 rear end. I don't know which version of the hi-po the neighbor had but the Dart blew him away bad.

Posted by: Vic at October 30, 2010 02:59 PM (/jbAw)

51 47 Another classic uglyhttp://tinyurl.com/35ls75w
Posted by: Vic at October 30, 2010 02:58 PM (/jbAw)
Sure thats not the new GM model?

Posted by: Romeo13 at October 30, 2010 03:00 PM (AdK6a)

52 My most recent auto purchase was a Dodge Challenger. It may be the last decent muscle car that Chrysler ever produces, before they start cranking out rebadged Fiats.

I had a Saturn Vue for awhile. Decent enough car reliability-wise, but look up "bland" in the dictionary and it had a picture of the Vue next to it. It wasn't exactly spry on the highway, either.

Posted by: Monty at October 30, 2010 03:00 PM (o2hlb)

53 My brother's had a 3:91 rear end. I don't know which version of the hi-po the neighbor had but the Dart blew him away bad.
That Rear made a big difference. Did your brother's 340 have a six-pac on it?
That was the other edge.

Posted by: garrett at October 30, 2010 03:01 PM (OJjnk)

54 #41
I am thinking AMC had two design teams with the same requirements.
One came up with the Pacer, the other the Gremlin. Only explanation I can think of.

Posted by: Two door hatchback at October 30, 2010 03:01 PM (3W1+C)

55 The Crown Vic was a full sized sedan, so is the new Taurus. Ford doesn't make a lot of money selling two cars in every segment so it makes sense to kill off the old model that needed a massive update (which would have left it looking like a Taurus anyway)
Cops are using the new Taurus now. I'm surprised a few morons haven't been in the back of one yet to comment on space and ride comfort issues.

Posted by: Allen at October 30, 2010 03:02 PM (NqhL+)

56
How about Volvo making a block-shaped car for a couple of decades?

Posted by: Soothsayer at October 30, 2010 03:02 PM (uFokq)

57 Studebaker Lark.

My grandmother and my uncle both had one of these.

Posted by: huerfano at October 30, 2010 03:02 PM (No0N3)

58 I don't get it.
Neither do we.

Posted by: NBC at October 30, 2010 03:03 PM (3jxR/)

59
I remember when DATSUN was just getting popular.
My brother got a brand new 280Z 2+2 for graduation.

Cool car. Kinda a knock-off of the Jaguar S-type.

Posted by: Soothsayer at October 30, 2010 03:04 PM (uFokq)

60 I'm really interested in driving a Taurus after driving the Fusion, but damn, prices are crazy. Guess it's been awhile since I bought a car.

Posted by: Pea Green Honda Element at October 30, 2010 03:04 PM (YX6i/)

61 Off, stoopid auto sock.

Posted by: Editor at October 30, 2010 03:05 PM (YX6i/)

62
>>20
My family owned a Pontiac - can't remember the model - in the 70s and it served us well.

Same here. 63' Pontiac Star Chief. I remember it too. Dad went to Buick 3 years later then Cadillac's as income improved.

Posted by: sickinmass at October 30, 2010 03:05 PM (1rflU)

63 The Crown Vic was Ford's best selling car.
Not even close.

Posted by: Waterhouse at October 30, 2010 03:07 PM (j+ygy)

64
The 240Z was probably one of the first Jap 'sports' cars.
It was a pretty quick rwd with a 2.4L in-line 6cyl with a 4bbl carb (I think).

Then Datsun came out with the 260Z with fuel injection, which was a big deal in the '70's.

Posted by: Soothsayer at October 30, 2010 03:07 PM (uFokq)

65 Did your brother's 340 have a six-pac on it?

No, it had the old Carter 4 barrel that the cops could hear cutting in from miles away.

Posted by: Vic at October 30, 2010 03:09 PM (/jbAw)

66
It took a long time for the US auto makers to get the fuel injection right, which is really pathetic.

On the other, the Jap cars with carbs were terrible.


Posted by: Soothsayer at October 30, 2010 03:11 PM (uFokq)

67 My grandmother drove her Pontiac T2000 so fast, she could go back in time.

Posted by: toby928 at October 30, 2010 03:13 PM (S5YRY)

68
In the Boston suburb I grew up in, we had a, get this, a CITROEN dealer.

It was in the same dealership as the Datsun. Citroen's were gone by the late '70's.

A Citroen, if you don't remember, looked like a SAAB on steroids.

Posted by: Soothsayer at October 30, 2010 03:14 PM (uFokq)

69
Funny thing about the Datsun/Citroen dealer...

it was located on Main Street right next door to RADIO SHACK/TANDY LEATHER.

Posted by: Soothsayer is getting lost down Memory Ln at October 30, 2010 03:15 PM (uFokq)

70 Little GTO, you're really lookin' fine
Three deuces and a four-speed and a 389
Listen to her tachin' up now, listen to her why-ee-eye-ine
C'mon and turn it on, wind it up, blow it out GTO

Posted by: SantaRosaStan at October 30, 2010 03:16 PM (dS2wQ)

71
Those were the days.

That was long before NYNEX, longer before Verizon. Our telephone company was called New England Telephone.

Posted by: Soothsayer is getting lost down Memory Ln at October 30, 2010 03:17 PM (uFokq)

72 57
Studebaker Lark.My grandmother and my uncle both had one of these.

That reminds me of another little car much like the Lark!

http://tinyurl.com/l7ht8w

Posted by: Kemp at October 30, 2010 03:17 PM (JpFM9)

73 I was the owner of a 1978 Trans Am at one time. I had a lot of fun in that car, but the Oldsmobile 403 sucked.

Posted by: Blacque Jacques Shellacque at October 30, 2010 03:17 PM (fxACH)

74 240Z had twin SU carbs.
Also had a 7 grand redline and a 4 speed.
I'll be in my bunk.

Posted by: Some car guy at October 30, 2010 03:17 PM (3W1+C)

75 Wa-wa, (Yeah, yeah, little GTO)
Wa, wa, wa, wa, wa, wa (Yeah, yeah, little GTO)
Wa-wa, (Yeah, yeah, little GTO)
Wa, wa, wa, wa, wa, wa (Yeah, yeah, little GTO)
Wa-wa (Ahhh, little GTO)
Wa, wa, wa, wa, wa, wa

Posted by: SantaRosaStan at October 30, 2010 03:18 PM (dS2wQ)

76 I saved the best for last, for all you peckerheads too young to remember the Good Old Days

You oughta see her on a road course or a quarter mile
This little modified Pon-Pon has got plenty of style
She beats the gassers and the rail jobs,
really drives 'em why-ee-eye-ild
C'mon and turn it on, wind it up, blow it out GTO

Posted by: SantaRosaStan at October 30, 2010 03:20 PM (dS2wQ)

77
ahh, that's right.

so the 240Z had a six-pack

Posted by: Soothsayer is getting lost down Memory Ln at October 30, 2010 03:20 PM (uFokq)

78
I had a Chevy with a Rochester Quadrajet.

The best thing about the Quadrajet? The name.

Posted by: Soothsayer is getting lost down Memory Ln at October 30, 2010 03:21 PM (uFokq)

79 wo wo, GTO!

Stop with the prick teasing!

http://tinyurl.com/d6su4m

Posted by: Kemp at October 30, 2010 03:22 PM (JpFM9)

80 No more TransAm, ever again.

Sucks.

Posted by: CoolCzech at October 30, 2010 03:24 PM (tJjm/)

81
How can you guys talk about the GTO and not mention the best one...

"JUDGE."

Posted by: Soothsayer is getting lost down Memory Ln at October 30, 2010 03:24 PM (uFokq)

82
very rare; worth a lot of $$

Posted by: Soothsayer is getting lost down Memory Ln at October 30, 2010 03:24 PM (uFokq)

83 Well, Pontiac went out with the G8 GXP which is a great car. Designed by the Aussies, of course.

Posted by: Radioactive Satellite Of LOVE at October 30, 2010 03:25 PM (PWj+8)

84
I might be wrong but I think it's just "Judge" not "The Judge."

Posted by: Soothsayer is getting lost down Memory Ln at October 30, 2010 03:25 PM (uFokq)

85 I had a VW Thing in high school and a 240z in college.

I fucking despise Pontiacs, though. I think they were supposed to be the "sporty" cars, but i would always refuse them as rentals because they were slow (therefore cheaper) and loud (so they sounded "sporty").

Posted by: David Berkowitz at October 30, 2010 03:26 PM (nV8P6)

86 Ugly as they are, Azteks are pretty damn good cars. Very roomy inside for a guy my size (6'3", 240) which is rare for a smallish car.
I had one when I lived in Mass and I had no problem on the snowy and icy roads.
Yeah, they are butt ugly.

Posted by: Log Cabin at October 30, 2010 03:26 PM (OF0tv)

87 http://tinyurl.com/njgzc5

2010 Pontiac G8 GXP, don't like the cladding but nice motor.

Posted by: Radioactive Satellite Of LOVE at October 30, 2010 03:27 PM (PWj+8)

88 /sock off.

Shit.

Posted by: Wodeshed at October 30, 2010 03:27 PM (nV8P6)

89 For professional reasons, I spent a week in an Aztek right after they hit the showrooms. One day I was in a gas station and a young couple came over to check it out. The girl couldn't figure out what it was -- she thought Japanese -- but the guy said to her, "No, honey, that's the new Pontiac Anthrax."

The Pontiac PR people were not amused to hear about that for some reason....

Oh, and mpur? The Mercury Villager was actually a Nissan Quest with different badges.

Posted by: MrScribbler, former Citroen owner at October 30, 2010 03:28 PM (Ulu3i)

90 I had a '69 Firebird and loved it. Maybe my favorite car ever.

'69 was probably the best year for US cars ever. All the big 3 had cool shit that year.

Posted by: GrumpyUnk at October 30, 2010 03:30 PM (TkQ9R)

91 MrScribbler- auto writer?

Posted by: Wodeshed at October 30, 2010 03:30 PM (nV8P6)

92 http://tinyurl.com/2fd7bwl

New Camaro + Old Firebird

Posted by: Radioactive Satellite Of LOVE at October 30, 2010 03:30 PM (PWj+8)

93 My first wife's dad owned a Datsun and Olds dealership. I wanted a 240z, he suggested I get a Delta 88 cop car with a 455!

The four barrel would suck some gas, but when I put that fucker to the floor it got some attention!

It was a bad ass car from 0-100, and that was all she had. Rear end set up for quick pursuit. Only state that I know had them was NJ. I blew by a trooper in my 88 and he waved! Really.

Put 120,000 miles on that baby. You could sleep a family of four in the back seat.

Posted by: Kemp at October 30, 2010 03:31 PM (JpFM9)

94 Where the frick is Elbonia? Wherever it is, I think we should bomb the shit out of it.

Posted by: Joanie (Oven Gloves) at October 30, 2010 03:33 PM (wd0Iq)

95 One problem with Pontiac is that
poor
old
neocons
thought
it's
a
Cadillac
(a modified joke that I learned from a person of diversity)

Posted by: joeindc44 at October 30, 2010 03:34 PM (Du09Y)

96
oh those GM interiors were plush in those big 98's, 88's, Bonneville's, Cadillacs, etc!

The crushed velour upholstery, very pillowy. Nice stuff.

Posted by: Soothsayer is getting lost down Memory Ln at October 30, 2010 03:34 PM (uFokq)

97 Saw Nash Rambler w/ 4 kids in it get hit by a train and rolled through a small bridge once. Damn thing musta rolled over 25-30 times before it got spit off to the side. All 4 of those kids came squirming out like a friggin clown car w/ just scratches. Amazing.

Posted by: GrumpyUnk at October 30, 2010 03:35 PM (TkQ9R)

98
oh, and remember the...

CUTLASS 442!

Posted by: Soothsayer is getting lost down Memory Ln at October 30, 2010 03:36 PM (uFokq)

99 My favorite "glory days" Boston Celtic, Kevin McHale, used to drive a Delta 88.

Of course, that was before Hummers with 20s and spinners. (No, not that kind of spinner).

Posted by: Wodeshed at October 30, 2010 03:37 PM (nV8P6)

100 Posted by: Wodeshed at October 30, 2010 03:30 PM

Yes. A currently unemployed one, alas.

The "former Citroen owner" nic must have given me away....

Posted by: MrScribbler at October 30, 2010 03:37 PM (Ulu3i)

101 Had a 76 Pontiac Sunbird, basically a Chevy Monza. It was equipped with the GM 3.8 liter V6 and a 5 speed. It was ok for a 70's American coupe. Not sure why I bought it other than it was a coupe with manual transmission and cheaper than a Firebird.

Posted by: Greg not Greg Troll at October 30, 2010 03:38 PM (3W1+C)

102 442= 4 speed 4 barrel carb Duel exaust

Posted by: GrumpyUnk at October 30, 2010 03:38 PM (TkQ9R)

103 1964 Catalina that Dad bought for Mom's birthday: we remember you fondly. Mom even rushed out to buy a baby-blueoutfit that would match the interior.
R.I.P. mom, dad and showboat.

Posted by: Marla at October 30, 2010 03:39 PM (kD8Fh)

104
Remember the Chevy VEGA?

Rust buckets. Junk.

Posted by: Soothsayer is getting lost down Memory Ln at October 30, 2010 03:40 PM (uFokq)

105 100

I've never gone THAT french, though i did have a Renault R-17 Gordini. Sort of a cross between Satan and a 2CV.

Posted by: Wodeshed at October 30, 2010 03:42 PM (nV8P6)

106
Do they still sell PEUGOT's in the US?

Posted by: Soothsayer is getting lost down Memory Ln at October 30, 2010 03:43 PM (uFokq)

107 106

Do they still sell PEUGOT's in the US?


Posted by: Soothsayer is getting lost down Memory Ln at October 30, 2010 03:43 PM (uFokq)
Nope, but there is a dealer near me that still has a sign up.

Posted by: Radioactive Satellite Of LOVE at October 30, 2010 03:44 PM (PWj+8)

108 Posted by: Wodeshed at October 30, 2010 03:42 PM

Aside from my Citroen DS-21, I also owned: two Renault R5s, one R16 and one 4CV.

I'm better now. Really.

Posted by: MrScribbler at October 30, 2010 03:46 PM (Ulu3i)

109 My cousin put a 327 in a Vega. Scary. Didn't even go in a straight line real well when you put your foot in it. And you damn near had to phone ahead for reservations to stop in a hurry, but nobody had good brakes back then,

Posted by: GrumpyUnk at October 30, 2010 03:46 PM (TkQ9R)

110 68 In the Boston suburb I grew up in, we had a, get this, a CITROEN dealer.It was in the same dealership as the Datsun. Citroen's were gone by the late '70's.A Citroen, if you don't remember, looked like a SAAB on steroids.
Posted by: Soothsayer at October 30, 2010 03:14 PM (uFokq)
Citroen is French for "Lemon"
Renault is French for "Piece of Shit"

Posted by: Minuteman at October 30, 2010 03:48 PM (264X9)

111
Did it even have front disk brakes?

Posted by: Soothsayer is getting lost down Memory Ln at October 30, 2010 03:49 PM (uFokq)

112 '69 was probably the best year for US cars ever. All the big 3 had cool shit that year.

Posted by: GrumpyUnk at October 30, 2010 03:30 PM (TkQ9R)
'69 was the last good year for the muscle cars before the smog shit and "gov gas" shut them down. Soon they were all de-tuned to wimpy assed junk.Then the mid 70s came and there wasn't an American car on the market that was worth a shit. They were all butt ugly and unreliable as hell.

Posted by: Vic at October 30, 2010 03:49 PM (/jbAw)

113
It's all good unless you've owned a Yugo.


Posted by: Soothsayer is getting lost down Memory Ln at October 30, 2010 03:49 PM (uFokq)

114 1986. My first car was a beat-up '75 Firebird that I brought back to driving condition with fiberglass, Bondo, pop-rivets, sheet metal and a trailer tail-light.

Put a couple of wide mags on the back and terrorized the neighborhood, blasting Motley Crue while rockin' my acid-washed jeans.

Good times.

Posted by: schizuki at October 30, 2010 03:51 PM (M+lbD)

115 Remember the Chevy VEGA?
I remember the first time I saw one, looked under the hood and saw plenty of room for a small blockChevyengine.
About two months later, Grumpy Jenkins had one on a drag strip, standing the front end waaay up in the air, the new Grumpy's Toy, a Vega with about 500 hp worth of Chevy power.
Good times.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy at October 30, 2010 03:56 PM (3jxR/)

116 I fondly remember my '66 Buick Skylark Gran Sport. It had a 401 ci / 385 HP engine with a factor 3 on the floor. Damn, I could snap the speedometer cable in second gear.

Posted by: CMU VET at October 30, 2010 03:56 PM (6/2eP)

117 I still have dreams about my 68 dart convertable. When I met my wife, the car had no front fenders because they rusted off. And she still wonders "what am I getting into with this guy".

Posted by: sTevo at October 30, 2010 03:58 PM (Uvo0l)

118
Remember the Vista Cruiser?

I think that's what it was called. It was the station wagon with the glass panels in the roof. Very cool boat.

Posted by: Soothsayer is getting lost down Memory Ln at October 30, 2010 04:01 PM (uFokq)

119 First car = 1956 Chevy Bel Air. 265 Power Pack engine with 2-speed Power Glide transmission. Oil air cleaner. Would go almost all the way through a quarter mile until about 50 from the finish line before it would shift into second.
More good times.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy at October 30, 2010 04:02 PM (3jxR/)

120
Another popular station wagon was the Ford LTD...something something.

Anyway, that was a beautiful car.

Posted by: Soothsayer is getting lost down Memory Ln at October 30, 2010 04:05 PM (uFokq)

121 RIP Mercury too

Posted by: curious at October 30, 2010 04:05 PM (p302b)

122 118

My folks had a Vista Cruiser when i was a kid. It was kind of a cool car.

Posted by: Wodeshed at October 30, 2010 04:05 PM (0uuoS)

123 120

Country Squire!

Posted by: Wodeshed at October 30, 2010 04:06 PM (0uuoS)

124 50 ft, that is.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy at October 30, 2010 04:07 PM (3jxR/)

125 '69 was the last good year for the muscle cars before the smog shit and "gov gas" shut them down.

A cousin of mine is the owner of a '69 Corvette Stingray with a 427 Tri-Power under the hood.

An awesome vehicle.

Posted by: Blacque Jacques Shellacque at October 30, 2010 04:07 PM (fxACH)

126
Those cars were made for something we don't have anymore today...

families.

Families that would pack up and hit the road and travel together.

Now we have single mom-strippuhs driving Scions with DVD players in the seats.

Posted by: Soothsayer is getting lost down Memory Ln at October 30, 2010 04:07 PM (uFokq)

127

Country Squire!

Yes!
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Posted by: Soothsayer is getting lost down Memory Ln at October 30, 2010 04:08 PM (uFokq)

128 Aztec was truly a piece of work, used to get stuck with it when I rented from Avis. Another example of the legacy of Roger Smith.

Posted by: John at October 30, 2010 04:09 PM (KsX1m)

129 Soothsayer-

Come to think of it, that Vista Cruiser wagon was what my parents packed us five kids into, and with a trailer hooked up drove us from Connecticut to California and back.

Posted by: Wodeshed at October 30, 2010 04:10 PM (0uuoS)

130
to Wally World?

Posted by: Soothsayer is getting lost down Memory Ln at October 30, 2010 04:12 PM (uFokq)

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(paraphrased, but I have it saved)

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Two things:
1) Wednesday is after the election.
2) I live in North Carolina, and have never lived anywhere near AZ.

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132 A cousin of mine is the owner of a '69 Corvette Stingray with a 427 Tri-Power under the hood.
If memory serves, they didn't make many of those. Your cousin hasa very rare 'Vette indeed. Also, IIRC, the only way to get atthe front spark plugs was through the wheel well with a long extension.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy at October 30, 2010 04:12 PM (3jxR/)

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Posted by: Captain Ned at October 30, 2010 04:12 PM (P1/uX)

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Posted by: Blacque Jacques Shellacque at October 30, 2010 04:07 PM (fxACH)
If it is all original that car is worth some bucks. And yes awesome. I think the most awesome American sports car is still considered the old L88 'Vette.

Posted by: Vic at October 30, 2010 04:13 PM (/jbAw)

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240Z had twin SU carbs.
Also had a 7 grand redline and a 4 speed.
I'll be in my bunk.
Posted by: Some car guy
The famous Datsun 240Z was a direct copy of an Austin-Healy 3000, but with a different skin and better quality assembly (in Japan). The more evolved version, the 280Z, was really a great sports coupe. Fuel injected, really fast.
Yeah, I owned a Mercury Villager for 8 years, and it came out of the same factory as a Nissan Quest. The Windstar is substantially bigger than the Villager.

Posted by: Reader C.J. Burch says... at October 30, 2010 04:14 PM (sJTmU)

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137 Posted by: Soothsayer

I just hope it was an expensive call for the D's.

Posted by: Lincolntf at October 30, 2010 04:16 PM (V/C0X)

138 This is a sad day indeed. How many of you remember the T1000 (a Pontiac Chevette)?

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Posted by: Bad Ass V8 at October 30, 2010 04:26 PM (3W1+C)

140 118 Remember the Vista Cruiser?
-------------
Yep. Had one when I was a kid.

We bought it when we were living in Dugway. It was the first car my mom drove that had power brakes (previous car had been a VW Squareback). First time she took it out, she 'bout stood it on its nose at the first stop sign.

We took the thing the Europe; Italy and Germany. The housing project we were supposed to move into in Italy hadn't been completed, so we had to live "out on the economy" in an Italian apartment. The part of town we were in was all one-way roads, but the Italians didn't care in their little FIAT 500s. Until we came barrelling down the street in our land yacht that was as wide as the road. Since we were going the right way, they had to give way.

Posted by: Anachronda at October 30, 2010 04:31 PM (6fER6)

141 126 Those cars were made for something we don't have anymore today...families.
-----------
Yeah. We had five kids. In Italy. When we were all lined up waiting for the bus, you could see the Italians counting us as they went buy. There was a "bambino tax" on anything past the second child, so Italian families didn't get that large.

Posted by: Anachronda at October 30, 2010 04:33 PM (6fER6)

142
that's funny because most of the Italian families (like mine) here in the US had lots of kids.

Posted by: Soothsayer is getting lost down Memory Ln at October 30, 2010 04:36 PM (uFokq)

143 The station wagon wasn't killed because of smaller families. It was killed by the stupid government gas mileage rules.

The station wagon morphed into the land yacht SUV which was exempt from CAFE rules because it was a truck.

Posted by: Vic at October 30, 2010 04:37 PM (/jbAw)

144 The station wagon morphed into the land yacht SUV which was exempt from CAFE rules because it was a truck.
Posted by: Vic at October 30, 2010 04:37 PM
True dat. Either the SUV or the mini-van, both classified as "small trucks". Go figger. Our brilliant masters in the Federal Government, praise be upon them. Now, the "crossover". Whatevah!

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145
If you've got enough money, you can drive one of the old muscle cars--case in point, I'm the proud owner of a '68 RoadRunner., a clone of the one I bought brand new in January of '68.

The original cost $2945.00, off the showroom floor, this one has just under 15k invested in it. Since it aint for resale, I don't care. What a sweetie it is.

Modern cars are just transportation modules, with all the appeal of a rotted tree stump And never mind that the engineering is superior, the charm just isn't there..

Posted by: irongrampa at October 30, 2010 05:17 PM (ud5dN)

146 Oh, and mpur? The Mercury Villager was actually a Nissan Quest with different badges.

You're right. As soon as I read "Nissan Quest" I remembered that was the case.

Gaa, what an afternoon. Locked my keys in the car and some helpful guys helped me get in, but screwed up the mechanism in the process and now I can't open more driver's side door from the outside.

Stupid cars.

Posted by: mpurinTexas (kicking Mexico's ass since 1836) at October 30, 2010 05:30 PM (xMKKV)

147 54I am thinking AMC had two design teams with the same requirements.
One came up with the Pacer, the other the Gremlin. Only explanation I can think of.
The Gremlin was a speedy, lame response to the Pinto and Vega. They just took a Hornet and hacked off the back, more or less. One of the most worthless cars ever made.
At least the Pacer was an attempt to do something new, a car designed in pursuit of the benefits a wide track can bring. It largely achieved that end, at the expense of being ugly.
My friend was cursed with a metallic purple Gremlin in college. Talk about adding insult to injury! One funny feature it had was an air conditioner with a temperature dial marked at its extreme clockwise position with "DESERT ONLY." They weren't kidding! Best danged a/c I've ever seen in a car.

Posted by: Otis Criblecoblis at October 30, 2010 05:35 PM (kJXs1)

148 The formatting went away on my last post. The first two paragraphs are quoted, and should be italicized.

Posted by: Otis Criblecoblis at October 30, 2010 05:37 PM (kJXs1)

149 lol, Otis. I was cursed (through no fault of my own) with a Gremlin for a brief period of time. Kind of a copper color, I guess that's better than metallic purple. Ended up selling it to the manager of my apt bldg for more than I paid for it. She promptly wrecked it. Probably the best outcome.

As for Pontiac, yeah, the Aztek will always be a wtf-were-they-thinking footnote, but I don't think any muscle car has ever, will ever, touch the early GTO. That was a screamin' machine.

Posted by: Peaches at October 30, 2010 05:42 PM (zxpIo)

150 My first car was an AMC Hornet. Had a three speed on the column. God, how I hated that car. It was a tough one though, because I thoroughly mistreated it and it was still running when I finally traded it off.

Posted by: mpurinTexas (kicking Mexico's ass since 1836) at October 30, 2010 05:46 PM (xMKKV)

151 Ok so GM is phasing out the Pontiac, they have to make room on the showroom floors for all of thoseVolts their planning to sellstore.

Posted by: Buffalobob at October 30, 2010 05:48 PM (EMalB)

152 whats the fastest muscle cars you folks have ever been in? I'll list a few here-


1970 formula 400 T/A munsey rock crusher, balanced and blueprinted, supercharger, perf cam, slammed down to as low as a pack of cigarettes on end.

1967 chevelle 396 SS balanced and blueprinted, 6 pack, perf cam, chrome up the arse, 4 wheel disc (this was in 1976).

1967/8 Cutlass 442-H/O - was mostly stock but had a few engine mods.

Mopar was the shyte, but most of the people I knew back then preferred Chevy styling.

Me? I had a 1966 ford falcon futura sports coup - not the cool rag-top sprint but the nerdy piece of crap straight six version. http://tinyurl.com/27hl7mp heh

Posted by: 13times at October 30, 2010 06:05 PM (h6XiD)

153 That's not a car it's a sneaker!

Posted by: FeFe at October 30, 2010 06:07 PM (TjlA2)

154 Gpot a Pontiac g6 last summer after totaling out my previous car in what should have been a minor fender bender. Let me just say that the Pontiac is by far the best ride I've had in 30 years of driving, bar none. While there may be a couple of cars from my past that hold a special place in my heart ahead of it for sentimental reasons, I just have to say that I love this car, and will miss the Pontiac brand.

Posted by: Rhymes With Right at October 30, 2010 06:10 PM (au40C)

155 One of my high school classmates had a lavender Grem. WTF was AMC thinking with the colors? I used to race her in my mom's old Highway-Department-yellow Suburban. It must have made peoples' eyes bleed to see us.

Posted by: stace at October 30, 2010 06:26 PM (8PLOi)

156 155 Actually, stace, lavender and warm yellow are pretty close to complimentary colors, so if anything you made that Gremlin look better!

Posted by: Otis Criblecoblis at October 30, 2010 06:32 PM (kJXs1)

157 whats the fastest muscle cars you folks have ever been in? I'll list a few here-

The fastest vehicle (top end) I have ever been in was a 350 c.i. 'Vette. The fastest I have actually been however was on a motorcycle at 145 mph.

Posted by: Vic at October 30, 2010 06:38 PM (/jbAw)

158 Mercury 429 Cyclone. Holycow does it get more awesome?

Posted by: ron dorque at October 30, 2010 07:12 PM (Xefmj)

159 And never mind that the engineering is superior, the charm just isn't there..
2006 Grey 6.0 GTO, blends into traffic whenever you want. Takes off like Crocodile Dundee's buddy "Donk" throwing a headbutt.

Posted by: Dave at October 30, 2010 07:16 PM (zfaH9)

160 Late again.
They could have received enough fed money from Bawny Fwank if they had just named it the "AssTech"...

Posted by: RightThinker at October 30, 2010 07:38 PM (KmHbv)

161 one of my favorite cars was a fugly Olds '88 Station Wagon. Thing was, it had the Rocket 455 high compression engine in it! We ran around in it in high school and called it "The Rocket Sled".

Best trick was to get 7 or 8 people in the Rocket Sled and then get all 4 wheels off the ground. Good Times!!!

Posted by: Tom Servo at October 30, 2010 07:49 PM (wk1nH)

162 I agree on the loss of the Ford Crown Vic/Mercury Grand Marquis. This is a well made, proven, solid car. The last of a legendary breed, actually. It's the last of the V-8 4-door family sedans, the design that made Detroit famous.
CAFE standards in the 1970's were the opening salvo in long march to regulate the breed out of existence. Instantly they became higher cost, with less horsepower, and smaller profit. Progressives are still bitter that Americans escaped through the light truck loophole and started buying minivans and SUV's instead. We just don't like the smaller cars they always wanted us to buy when we could find a bigger one.
So, they're taking them away from us. The Crown Vic is the first one to fall. They're coming for the SUV's next, and then anything that's not a credentialled work truck.
And you're going to be paying a lot more per pound for that smaller ride. Those new rides will feature more and more unproven designs. Reliability will become a problem again for all the manufacturers, just like it did for the Big Three after CAFE. Design costs for new models, already far too high, are soaring even higher. Models will be converging around a small set of very similar designs among manufactuers. It'll be boring. Nothing like the Aztec will be seen again, and this is a bad thing even though the Aztec was such an ugly vehicle. No one's going to roll the dice like with design so far outside the norm again. No way no how. Can't afford it. They'll be playing it safe.

Posted by: Cowboy at October 30, 2010 07:51 PM (g9AYc)

163 The Pontiac Aztek styling has "cocaine decisions" written all over it. I don't think the Chevy Avalanche truck is any better. With the Avalanche at least they got lucky and Honda copied it (sort of) so they are not the only idiots with a feeble looking truck. Now if the Avalanche only had a built in cooler in the rear bed...


Fun hot rods I have driven: Sunbeam Tiger w/ 289, 2002 Corvette Z06 plus a ride in a drag VW bug that could lift the front wheels.

Posted by: goat lover at October 30, 2010 08:04 PM (8+vFO)

164 whats the fastest muscle cars you folks have ever been in? I'll list a few here-
Posted by: 13times at October 30, 2010 06:05 PM
Too many to name, I'm from the 50s and 60s generation. But the ones I own/ed? My first new car was a1964 Plymouth Fury Wedge. And I still have a 1966 Stingray Convertible 427/425 big block, 58,000 original miles.

Posted by: Deanna at October 30, 2010 08:09 PM (oNO62)

165 My parents drive a Pontiac Aztek. I'm ashamed just thinking about it.

Posted by: CMS2004 at October 30, 2010 10:09 PM (Zxivg)

166 My first car was a 1951 Silver Streak Pontiac torpedo-back with straight eight and hydramatic.
http://tinyurl.com/36k7rnf
A neat ride for a 16 year old farm kid.

Posted by: 2SoonOld2LateSmart at October 30, 2010 11:29 PM (h/OxL)

167 Pontiac was officially "The Division That Was Vaguely Aware That There Was This Thing Called Handling," so now all GM vehicles will officially "wallow" in corners.

If they make a FWD Corvette, Chevy will have to be put down, too.

Dead, dead, dead, dead, dead...

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