One Suggestion for the Delaware GOP

After last night's primary, I don't want to discuss whether or not O'Donnell is a good idea or if Castle would be better overall, even with his faults. What I'd like to do here is look ahead and try to make a suggestion of how the Delaware Republican Party could possibly take a step towards healing the rift between the pragmatists and the purists.

My idea? Pull your heads out of your asses and reschedule your convention/primary system.

As a resident of Iowa, I had no idea of how things are done in The First State, other than a vague thought that their political system should be somewhat similar to what our Republican Party uses here in Corn Country. In Iowa, we had our Primary in early June, with the State Convention occuring about three weeks later. Was it perfect? No. Supporters of Bob VanderPlaats (self-described Tea Party candidate who has DEEP ties to the Huckabee camp) went after former Governor Branstad (alleged moderate) HARD in the primary, and then after Branstad won 51-40 (another candidate got 9%), staged somewhat of a minor coup by trying to force Branstad to replace his Lt. Governor nominee with BVP at the convention. This move failed, and as far as I know, members of the BVP camp are grudgingly coming back to the Branstad campaign, mainly because Iowans have one of the dumbest Governors in the Nation, Chet Culver (D). It's easy to come together behind a man who makes Governor LaPetomaine from Blazing Saddles look competent by comparison...but I digress. What I wanted to get across here is that the Iowa Republican Party had a fight in the primary, and then proceeded to start healing the rift at their convention.

The Delaware Republican Party? Not so much. This absolutely floored me. The Delaware Republicans had their convention in May.....and held the primary in September. September of '09? No. September, 2010, about FOUR months after their convention produced Castle as the presumptive nominee. Gee, I wonder why some of the O'Donnell supporters might have seen Castle as the nominee of entrenched insiders?

This shouldn't be rocket science. Have a primary where all the prospective nominees can hash out their differences, ask the voters to pick their poison, and then hold a convention so that the winners can say nice things about the losers and everyone can soap up everyone else's backs and get focused on knocking off the Dem in the general election. That way, no matter who wins the primary, there shouldn't be as many charges of "RiNO nepotism" as there were in this primary. There's plenty of time for the State Party to get their ducks in a row for the 2012 election, especially since this is an issue that Purists & Pragmatists both should be able to agree on.

Get your shit together, Delaware. Don't make us send Chris Christie in to knock some heads together.

Now that I know what happened in Delaware, I think I'm leaning more towards this being a NY-23 sort of situation rather than a suicidal Purity Purge.

Do I think O'Donnell is the best candidate for the Delaware electorate? It doesn't matter: Christine O'Donnell is now the GOP nominee for the Biden Hereditary Senate Seat. Good luck & Godspeed.

Posted by: Russ from Winterset at 10:11 PM



Comments

1 Commonsense. It's what's for dinner.

Posted by: Boots at September 15, 2010 10:15 PM (06JTY)

2 Seriously, can we send this to every party chair. Any state that isn't doing this already should have their entire leadership fired.

Posted by: inyouheadZombie at September 15, 2010 10:17 PM (RC7LR)

3 Always trying to stir up trouble Russ!!!!!Seriously,you are right and I don't get why people can't let this thing go.

Posted by: steevy at September 15, 2010 10:18 PM (Xh8fQ)

4 Love you Ace, but Rove played u on this one I'm right. He played u. That thing last nite was alll drama. Holy sh*t

Posted by: Annaleesea at September 15, 2010 10:19 PM (fjrTQ)

5 Yeah, I think you're right: it's entirely Delaware's fault that y'all "pragmatists" are a bunch of whiney bitches who can't stand the fact that your RINO lost. Now pragmatically grab all your toys and stomp off.

Posted by: The Dread Pirate Neck Beard at September 15, 2010 10:21 PM (wOtDN)

6 What is the rationale for having party conventions so far divorced from actual primaries? Connecticut did the same thing, as I recall.

Posted by: Chris in Va at September 15, 2010 10:24 PM (uCjoj)

7 Jesus, goatee-man. Did you read a single fucking word of my post?

Posted by: Russ from Winterset, who is ashamed that he still remembers the old GI Joe cartoons at September 15, 2010 10:25 PM (/MEFr)

8 Chris Christie for Supreme Overlord! (With a Christine O'Donnell chaser.)

Posted by: Wyatt Earp at September 15, 2010 10:25 PM (FCv1D)

9 @5

Enjoy your fucking 20 pt loss you asshole. Then have another party to boost Beck's sales and Palin's new reality tv contract when they pass the next 5 9th circuit appellate judges who pass more liberal laws from the bench.

Posted by: inyouheadZombie at September 15, 2010 10:25 PM (RC7LR)

10 When the sound of rice bowls breaking is heard throughout the land, you also hear a lot of wailing and gnashing of teeth. The old boy network or ruling class (either R or D) really think you in the country class (the Homer Simpsons) are too stupid to be trusted with a vote and they get upset when you begin to think. If they have any desire to stay relevant, they better start acting like citizens, not overlords.

Posted by: Hrothgar at September 15, 2010 10:25 PM (8nf3A)

11 Man, I can't believe I forgot about THAT sockpuppet. Awk-waaaaaard!

Posted by: Russ from Winterset at September 15, 2010 10:26 PM (/MEFr)

12 This is going to get ugly.Told you,Russ.

Posted by: steevy at September 15, 2010 10:26 PM (Xh8fQ)

13 @Russ

I'll apologize to you for the response to the asshole at #5. Despite his bitch headedness your post is a worthwhile one. It's something that you think most state parties would already be doing and yeah even I'll grudgingly get behind O'Donnell now.

Posted by: inyouheadZombie at September 15, 2010 10:27 PM (RC7LR)

14 5 You think we're mad now? If the Senate ends up 51/49 in favor of the Democrats, the Tea Party will pay.

I hate unforced errors.

Posted by: Chris R at September 15, 2010 10:27 PM (AO4qz)

15 This presumptive nominee bullshit is rally in vogue now. That's why Tea Party candidates are winning. People are pissed about politics as usual, and let's be honest; can anyone here do any worse than almost anyone in D.C.?

Get there, find out where the main rooms of the Capitol are, and do the people's work. Unless O'Donnell is a quasi-retard, she'll do fine.

I am so tired of people thinking that you have to be an Ivy League-educated genius to be successful at politics. Buck up, support the GOP candidate, and end it already!

Posted by: Wyatt Earp at September 15, 2010 10:30 PM (FCv1D)

16 Why is Ace posting like he knows jack about the process in Iowa?

Posted by: A Balrog of Morgoth at September 15, 2010 10:30 PM (Snu7z)

17 Ow

Posted by: that chicken at September 15, 2010 10:30 PM (1HKg5)

18 The Delaware GOP can suck it. I mean really suck it.

And don't masturbate!!

Posted by: Christine O'Donnell at September 15, 2010 10:31 PM (Y81Xa)

19 You think we're mad now? If the Senate ends up 51/49 in favor of the Democrats, the Tea Party will pay.

I hate unforced errors.


Posted by: Chris R at September 15, 2010 10:27 PMGo suck a cock. It will help get the taste of the sour grapes out of your mouth.

Posted by: Creepy Lying Douche at September 15, 2010 10:31 PM (Snu7z)

20 Enjoy your fucking 20 pt loss you asshole.

Posted by: inyouheadZombie at September 15, 2010 10:25 PM (RC7LR)

Go back to your cheetos, lefty.

Posted by: The Dread Pirate Neck Beard at September 15, 2010 10:31 PM (wOtDN)

21 "Do I think O'Donnell is the best candidate for the Delaware electorate?"

Yes, she is. Well, at least about half of it in the inevitable bipolar spectrum of two-party politics. She ran the gauntlet, legitimately, and won. 'Nuff said. The people spoke and, as it turns out, a much larger section of it than is normal. She didn't sneak in without anyone noticing.

And now she'll have a million bucks right off the bat to persuade the persuadables.

Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at September 15, 2010 10:31 PM (swuwV)

22 This groveling to get back into the fold of the heart and soul of conservatism is as humorous as it is duplicitous. The Pragmatist Purity theme isa nice touch. I guess this is what you could call a soft-landing after flying the big bird of O'Donnell bashing through all of the self-generated turbulence on this site.
After the mortar on O'Donnell, I am sure she can identify with Churchill's famous quote: Nothing in life is so exhilarating as to be shot at without result.

Posted by: journolist at September 15, 2010 10:32 PM (O/NP5)

23 I hate unforced errors.





Yo momma had an unforced error, and now we all gotta pay!

Posted by: 13times at September 15, 2010 10:33 PM (h6XiD)

24 AD, I think you're right, but if anyone thinks that a fat bankroll equals success in politics, I've got two words for you.
Mitt. Romney. All the cash in the world couldn't save him from getting outworked by a charismatic retard in the '08 Iowa Caucus. Money is fine, but it doesn't cure ALL ills.

Posted by: Russ from Winterset at September 15, 2010 10:33 PM (/MEFr)

25 Ace, nice post.

Posted by: Dr. Spank at September 15, 2010 10:34 PM (Y81Xa)

26 Yeah, who knew an ewok from Manhattan was so up-to-date on the nomination process in Iowa. Ol' furboy sure does get around.

Posted by: Creepy Lying Douche at September 15, 2010 10:35 PM (Snu7z)

27 This is fascinating. Not only are the majority of O'Donnell fans fucking morons. But they can't even bring themselves to concentrate and avoid their spastic conniptions of rambling nonsense to actually read the post - which barely has to do with O'Donnell and which actually proposes something they'd probably support if their entirely life wasn't one continuous Dean scream.

Posted by: inyouheadZombie at September 15, 2010 10:35 PM (RC7LR)

28 24 Nope,everyone knows that.Yesterday after she won she had only 20 grand though.Coons had a million.

Posted by: steevy at September 15, 2010 10:35 PM (Xh8fQ)

29 C O'D now up to $810,000 since last night

Posted by: beedubya at September 15, 2010 10:36 PM (wGJ3h)

30 You think we're mad now? If the Senate ends up 51/49 in favor of the Democrats, the Tea Party will pay.

I hate unforced errors.

Posted by: Chris R at September 15, 2010 10:27 PM (AO4qz)

Gosh, wouldn't it be a shame if somebody who always pulls the lever for "electability" suddenly switched parties out of spite?

Posted by: The Dread Pirate Neck Beard at September 15, 2010 10:36 PM (wOtDN)

31 We can do without the ad hominem shit.

Posted by: steevy at September 15, 2010 10:36 PM (Xh8fQ)

32 This groveling to get back into the fold of the heart and soul of conservatism is as humorous as it is duplicitous
Humor me here, and cite one lie in any of my previous posts or comments. Unless of course, the word DUPLICITOUS does not mean what you think it does, asshole.

Posted by: Russ from Winterset at September 15, 2010 10:36 PM (/MEFr)

33 It makes no difference to me when they hold conventions and then the vote, it's the way they shove really asshat candidates down our throats. They give us Castle or Scosaffava, and we are supposed to bend over and grab the ankles. This ain't going to work anymore no matter who yells or how loud. Demoncrap lite is what they try to serve up and the rest are vilafied or destroyed. Look at John Mccain, who spent 22 million to destroy J.D. Hayworth, is NOW going to vote for the dream act offered by Reid. Sure didn't take him long to rub or noses in it.

Posted by: jainphx at September 15, 2010 10:37 PM (ew5pX)

34 Me, on the other hand? Along with my East German communist-like lack of a sense of humor, I post gibberish.

Posted by: inyouheadZombie at September 15, 2010 10:37 PM (Snu7z)

35 23 I hate unforced errors.Yo momma had an unforced error, and now we all gotta pay!
Posted by: 13times at September 15, 2010 10:33 PM (h6XiD)
< Chalk it up to Pope Paul VI'sHumane Vitae encyclical.

Posted by: journolist at September 15, 2010 10:37 PM (O/NP5)

36 @26

That's what happens when you wipe the pork rinds and nacho cheese off your double chin and flip over to something besides Glenn Beck. You actually learn about fascinating things going on in other places.

Oh. Wait. My bad. Let me translate that for you into language you'll understand:


YYYYYYYYYYEEEEEEEEAAAAAAAAAARRRRRGGGGGHHHHHHHH!

Posted by: inyouheadZombie at September 15, 2010 10:38 PM (RC7LR)

37 You think we're mad now? If the Senate ends up 51/49 in favor of the Democrats, the Tea Party will pay. I hate unforced errors.
Posted by: Chris R at September 15, 2010 10:27 PM (AO4qz)
Ok, so you are gonna pitch a hissy fit...tell me, Chris, what is the difference between a 51-49 democrat majority and a 51-49 republican majority wherein Senator Castle (R, DE) votes with the democrats on every piece of important legislation the republicans oppose? Who would pitch the fit then? You think by now- after Specter, after Graham, after McCain, after Chaffee, after Snowe, after Olympia etc etcconservative republicans would understand that just because they have an (R) after their name, and just because they have the right credentials (see Wyatt's post) does not mean theyhave conservative principles, or even any principles at all beyond getting re-elected.

Posted by: DaveK at September 15, 2010 10:39 PM (YjrNx)

38 Not only are the majority of O'Donnell fans fucking
morons. But they can't even bring themselves to concentrate and avoid
their spastic conniptions of rambling nonsense to actually read the
post - which barely has to do with O'Donnell and which actually
proposes something they'd probably support if their entirely life
wasn't one continuous Dean scream.


Posted by: inyouheadZombie at September 15, 2010 10:35 PM (RC7LR)
Then vote for the Marxist and shut the fuck up.

Posted by: Timbo at September 15, 2010 10:40 PM (ph9vn)

39 @36 Yet, you are one doing the rage-boy screaming about rage-boys screaming. And you didn't get the joke @26, but you rage-boy types never do.

Posted by: Creepy Lying Douche at September 15, 2010 10:40 PM (Snu7z)

40 or even any principles at all beyond getting re-elected

Damned fine argument for term limits, if you ask me. Get term limits, and they won't have to spend their entire career trying to keep a hold on their power. Then, people like McCain won't change their philosophies every election cycle.

Posted by: Wyatt Earp at September 15, 2010 10:41 PM (FCv1D)

41 they can't even bring themselves to concentrate and avoid their spastic conniptions of rambling nonsense to actually read the post - which barely has to do with O'Donnell and which actually proposes something they'd probably support if their entirely life wasn't one continuous Dean scream.

Posted by: inyouheadZombie at September 15, 2010 10:35 PM (RC7LR)

Well, aren't you the generous and helpful soul explaining that your hubris and stupidity got us here and more of the same will get us out. You cockmonkeys gave us GHWB, you switched parties in droves and voted for Clinton in '92 (or Perot), you gave us GWB (another outstanding "conservative"), you switched parties in droves and voted for the kenyan cocksucker and now you want to whine that the bloody fucking process is broken because a state you don't even live in voted for somebody slightly to the right of Saul Alinksy.

Hint: it's not the process, lefty. It's your bothersome sense of entitlement and your braindead ideas.

Posted by: The Dread Pirate Neck Beard at September 15, 2010 10:42 PM (wOtDN)

42 The profanity-laced tirades from those deriding O'Donnell supporters are a clear indicator of their dedication to sanity, civility and uniting the party.

Posted by: Creepy Lying Douche at September 15, 2010 10:42 PM (Snu7z)

43 @34

Cute work, creepy lying douche.

I almost feel sorry this fine australopithecus specimen over how clever he/she/it thinks he/she/it is while not realizing there's a tracking code.

Posted by: inyouheadZombie at September 15, 2010 10:42 PM (RC7LR)

44 In zombie's defense, it WAS a very inside-inside-inside joke. Well done, but if you don't know the backstory, it looks like an insult.

Posted by: Russ from Winterset at September 15, 2010 10:42 PM (/MEFr)

45 Since when is Fucking DELAWARE the hill on which we have to die on to determine whether we're conservative enough?

Posted by: Steven Tyler at September 15, 2010 10:42 PM (oVQFe)

46 Russ from Winterset@24,

Sure, it's not all about money. It's especially not all about money this cycle. We live in curious times.

The point is that despite all the classical handicapping and textbook process of campaigning, there's more than that in play. Call it fickle, angry, or ignorant, the electorate is incorporating concerns and projecting metrics that are hard, if not impossible, to measure. The immediate and quite considerable moneybomb is indicative of an agitated and serious crowd. These are waters that haven't been tested in ages.

Besides, what does anyone know about Coons? Hell, a chunk of brie may be enough of a candidate to defeat the challenging Liberal/Marxist. The economy, Pelosi/Reid, and Obama's czars aren't just impacting Republicans.

Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at September 15, 2010 10:43 PM (swuwV)

47 ONT socks are horrible with static cling.

Posted by: buzzion at September 15, 2010 10:44 PM (oVQFe)

48 Why is Ace posting like he knows jack about the process in Iowa? Posted by: A Balrog

Perhaps it's because Russ wrote the post and not Ace? Could that be the reason?

Posted by: Garbonzo the Garrulous at September 15, 2010 10:44 PM (23kaI)

49 @38

I can't bring myself to vote for the marxist, no matter how braindead our candidate and her supporters are.

Posted by: inyouheadZombie at September 15, 2010 10:45 PM (RC7LR)

50 “This is a classic example of where defeating the most electable
conservative candidate would be a bad move — in my view,” said the
senior GOP senator from South Carolina, Lindsey Graham, discussing the
Delaware race in which he backed Castle. “It’s one thing to purify the
party. It’s another thing to build coalitions. Ideological purity has to
have some boundaries because the country is fairly center-right, that’s
my view.”…


I may move to SC just to vote and campaign against this d-bag in the 2014 primaries. Politically, he's dead-"man" walking....see what I did there?

Posted by: The Hammer at September 15, 2010 10:45 PM (PAl5s)

51 Damned fine argument for term limits, if you ask me.
Preaching to the choir, here, Wyatt. I have been advocating term limits for years now. I have always been baffled by how someone could get a $100,000 a year job, then retire 10 years later as a multi- millionaire. Must be something in the water in DC.

Posted by: DaveK at September 15, 2010 10:45 PM (YjrNx)

52 @44


If it's an inside joke my bad - at this point though there are enough morons on here chucking ad homs at ACE that its hard to blame me for not getting it.

Posted by: inyouheadZombie at September 15, 2010 10:46 PM (RC7LR)

53 You think we're mad now? If the Senate ends up 51/49 in favor of the Democrats, the Tea Party will pay. I hate unforced errors.
Posted by: Chris R at September 15, 2010 10:27 PM
What sort of error would you call constantly running down the conservative GOP candidate??

Posted by: beedubya at September 15, 2010 10:46 PM (wGJ3h)

54 Must be something in the water in DC pockets of the PACs.

FTFY

Posted by: Wyatt Earp at September 15, 2010 10:46 PM (FCv1D)

55 LOL @43. Looks like we got us a noob on the hook.

Posted by: Creepy Lying Douche at September 15, 2010 10:47 PM (Snu7z)

56 There's a bigger problem with Delaware's primary system that I have alluded to in other threads. Timing. The major national support groups begin to place thier ad buys in the beginning of August. The way Delaware does things has not been a problem in the past for Republican PACs. Honestly, it hasn't mattered in two generations, since Pete DuPont was convinced not to run against Cale Boggs. Boggs, a RINO since 1953, was the Republican who introduced the Clean Water act and the Clean Air act and was intrumental in seeing the EPA established under Nixon.

YES! That's how long Delaware has been Moderate-Liberal.

Many of the smaller States (except New York) have late primaries in the hope that they can affect the nation. It hasn't mattered for over 100 years. States like Delaware, New Hampshire and others were...predictable....

The last minute, in today's ad buying frenzy, changes in the formerly predictable winner structure has disrupted the machine. To the machine this is as great a disturbance in the force as the destruction of Alderaan.

And here's the sad fact...you have to have a machine that works to the end game as the people decide who the players are.

Posted by: Quilly Mammoth at September 15, 2010 10:47 PM (7rfUg)

57 Posted by: Garbonzo the Garrulous at September 15, 2010 10:44 PM

Yeah, that could be it.


Posted by: Creepy Lying Douche at September 15, 2010 10:48 PM (Snu7z)

58 @50

Graham has done/said stupid things. But what exactly about what he said is wrong to you. Do you really think this is more conservative than a center right country? Need I remind you that we have a president who at best euphemistically can be described as a european style social democrat, a senate with almost a filibuster proof majority of democrats and a substantial majority of democrats in the house. Now admittedly much of that is built on the back of 'moderate' and 'centrist' dems but this country at best is a center right country. This isn't the country of your delusions where everybody would go out and vote in Tancredo, Bachmann and others.

Posted by: inyouheadZombie at September 15, 2010 10:49 PM (RC7LR)

59 "You think we're mad now? If the Senate ends up 51/49 in favor of the Democrats, the Tea Party will pay. "Chris R at September 15, 2010 10:27 PM
______________________________

O'Donnell wasn't taking on a GOP incumbent in this race, was she? I understand Castle spent $3 million+ to O'Donnell's $308,000. That's a pretty wide margin is it not?

A couple of remaining question for douchebags such as Chris R. who refuse to accept reality: Was Castle was 'entitled' to ascend to the throne simply because the "good ole boys" ordained it so? Why was nobody allowed to challenge the good ole boys' pick? Would you care to explain the purpose of a primary election ?

And here's the big question: If Castle was so fucking great, then why did he get creamed by a nobody? How is it none of you are discussing that factor?

Posted by: alwyr at September 15, 2010 10:50 PM (w2++y)

60 Anyone else here bored as shit with Delaware?

Posted by: Drinky Crow at September 15, 2010 10:50 PM (5+Fvb)

61 The Tea Party will pay? Is this a joke? What kind of stupidity would criticize the will of the people? Delaware has spoken. They aren't super smart strategery people like you and Rove. If the Dems take the Senate, then they taking f-ing Senate, the same Senate nobody here was even dreaming about taking a year ago.
The purge is taking place naturally. Nobody is getting forced out for being soft on abortion, immigration, gun rights, etc., -- the people keep choosing conservatives over RINOs. And if it means we wait till 2012 or 2014 until we have a true conservative majority, not just a Republican majority (because we've seen what that means),then so be it.

Posted by: braininahat at September 15, 2010 10:52 PM (q1suJ)

62 At this point though there are enough morons on here chucking ad homs at ACE that its hard to blame me for not getting it.

Posted by: herve leger skirt at September 15, 2010 10:54 PM (y2tie)

63 "You think we're mad now? If the Senate ends up 51/49 in favor of the Democrats, the Tea Party will pay. "Chris R at September 15, 2010 10:27 PM

Gee if we could only throw in a Rino to vote with the Dems.. that will make everything GREAT!

Posted by: Timbo at September 15, 2010 10:55 PM (ph9vn)

64 Posted by: inyouheadZombie at September 15, 2010 10:49 PM (RC7LR)

FFS, get over this purity purge bullshit. Mike Castle wasn't just center left or a kind of a squish. He was Jeffords or Chaffee in the larval stage. Oh no, we lost that ninth seat nobody thought we'd get within a mile of two weeks ago, but now we HAVE LOST THE SENATE. Please. Unless you are claiming that over half of the Delaware GOP's voters (who apparently backed Castle the last twelve fricken times he ran for office) suddenly morphed into purity purists, it would seem to me that Mike Castle who ran a coronation when he should have run a campaign.

You wanna vent, call Mike Castle at home and vent to him.

Posted by: Creepy Lying Douche at September 15, 2010 10:56 PM (Snu7z)

65 On a lighter note: Christine O'Donnell has raised $820,00 so far (8 PM Pacific). Not sure she's gonna make the $1M goal, but given she started at $50,000 -- not bad.

Posted by: braininahat at September 15, 2010 10:57 PM (q1suJ)

66 @59

Simple. She ran in a race where the main voter base was a small subset of the actual state's voter base. As a result, Castle had spent too much time running to the full voter's base ideology versus the conservatism of the primary group. Even though he knew the attack from teh right was coming and tried to compensate, he had spent too long running for the general election to salvage the primary. O'Donnell's victory has proven nothing except that she can convince 53% of a small subset of Delaware voters who don't at all resemble the general election voters that they'd rather have them representing her.
She has done absolutely nothing to prove she can win a purple, much less a blue state and frankly there are actually past results which say she cant.

Posted by: inyouheadZombie at September 15, 2010 10:58 PM (RC7LR)

67 That $820,000 is filthy dirty purity purge money, or something.

Posted by: Creepy Lying Douche at September 15, 2010 10:58 PM (Snu7z)

68 @67 She won the Senate primary in a blue state. So far the score is O'Donnell 1 Castle 0.

Posted by: Creepy Lying Douche at September 15, 2010 11:00 PM (Snu7z)

69 You think we're mad now? If the Senate ends up 51/49 in favor of the Democrats, the Tea Party will pay.

I hate unforced errors.


Posted by: Chris R at September 15, 2010 10:27 PM (AO4qz)
When you stop to remember that out of those 49 GOP seats in your scenario, the TEA Parties will have been responsible for 5 or 6 or 7 of them, your single-minded focus on the Delaware race seems pretty petty and myopic.

Posted by: stuiec at September 15, 2010 11:01 PM (fgCQL)

70 And here's the big question: If Castle was so fucking great, then why did he get creamed by a nobody? How is it none of you are discussing that factor?
Posted by: alwyr at September 15, 2010 10:50 PM (w2++y)
Who said he was great here? Can you find anyone saying that he's the greatest Republican ever and all candidates should strive to be just like him? Or were they saying "yeah he sucks, but it will be an easy pickup in Delaware and we can focus on more conservative candidates in closer elections"
Seriously really awesome that all the O'Donnell supporters actually believe that the preferring to have Castle as the candidate is because this place is full of liberal RINOs.

Posted by: buzzion at September 15, 2010 11:01 PM (oVQFe)

71 32
This groveling to get back into the fold of the heart and soul of conservatism is as humorous as it is duplicitous
Humor me here, and cite one lie in any of my previous posts or comments. Unless of course, the word DUPLICITOUS does not mean what you think it does, asshole.
Posted by: Russ from Winterset at September 15, 2010 10:36 PM (/MEFr)
< Don't youthink you've been embarassed enough? . . . Do you really want to get into the etymology of the word Duplicitous and how it applies in Ace of Spades to you . . . oh inhabitant of the not quite quad city?

Posted by: journolist at September 15, 2010 11:02 PM (O/NP5)

72 He was Jeffords or Chaffee in the larval stage.

You're seriously just exemplifying the purity shit you just claimed wasn't happening. The guy had an ACU rating of 52. I guarantee you that's 52 pts better than Coons. Jim Jeffords ACU rating at the time of his switch was 27. Chafee's was 32.

You're either a liar or a dumbass.

Posted by: inyouheadZombie at September 15, 2010 11:02 PM (RC7LR)

73
Anyone else here bored as shit with Delaware?


Posted by: Drinky Crow at September 15, 2010 10:50 PM (5+Fvb)
Nice hat!Hey, stand still while I'm talking to you!

Posted by: stuiec at September 15, 2010 11:03 PM (fgCQL)

74 I've got another suggestion for the Delaware GOP......your leaders should wholeheartedly support the nominee or resign. WTF else is a party supposed to be? If it's a Castle fan club, why call it GOP? If nominees aren't supposed to get support, why call them nominees or have elections at all.

Posted by: cthulhu at September 15, 2010 11:04 PM (/0IOT)

75 @69

She won the REPUBLICAN senate primary in Delaware. Why do O'Donnell supporters keep leaving that out when talking about her potential to win in the state. Oh, right, because she won 30,000 votes in a state where there are 293,000 registered democrats.

Posted by: inyouheadZombie at September 15, 2010 11:06 PM (RC7LR)

76 He was Jeffords or Chaffee in the larval stage.

You're
seriously just exemplifying the purity shit you just claimed wasn't
happening. The guy had an ACU rating of 52. I guarantee you that's 52
pts better than Coons. Jim Jeffords ACU rating at the time of his
switch was 27. Chafee's was 32.

You're either a liar or a dumbass.


Posted by: inyouheadZombie at September 15, 2010 11:02 PM (RC7LR)
You're not getting the "larval stage" idea. ACU rating of 52 in the House now -- but in the Senate, insulated from biennial elections, that can easily erode to 40 or 30.

Posted by: stuiec at September 15, 2010 11:07 PM (fgCQL)

77 Just to get the math right, the GOP needs 51 seats, not 50. Biden breaks the tie. That's a very high threshold for the GOP to hit in one shot. Aim for conservatism first before majority. If the GOP falls just short, it's not a catastrophe. The House can serve as the conservative backstop until 2012.

Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at September 15, 2010 11:07 PM (swuwV)

78 @75

At this point your right. At least on a superficial level the Delaware GOP and NRSC need to be pro-O'Donnell.

They can fix their messed up primary-convention system behind closed doors because it benefits no one. Even from an O'Donnell perspective, she now only has 9 weeks to try to win over half of the repubs and a chunk of dems and independents.

Posted by: inyouheadZombie at September 15, 2010 11:08 PM (RC7LR)

79 < Don't youthink you've been embarassed enough? . . . Do you really want to get into the etymology of the word Duplicitous and how it applies in Ace of Spades to you . . . oh inhabitant of the not quite quad city?
Posted by: journolist at September 15, 2010 11:02 PM (O/NP5)
No, go ahead knock yourself out, asshole. You got all butthurt because I thought that O'Donnell's very real baggage might catch up to her in the general, and now you're calling me a liar?

Posted by: Russ from Winterset at September 15, 2010 11:08 PM (/MEFr)

80 She won the REPUBLICAN senate primary in Delaware.
Why do O'Donnell supporters keep leaving that out when talking about her
potential to win in the state. Oh, right, because she won 30,000 votes
in a state where there are 293,000 registered democrats.

Posted by: inyouheadZombie at September 15, 2010 11:06 PM (RC7LR)
And yet it's a state where Obama's job approval is now underwater, 46/48. Guess what? Registered Democrats this year aren't necessarily fired up and ready to go for Democrat politicians.

Posted by: stuiec at September 15, 2010 11:08 PM (fgCQL)

81 O'Donnell has been fighting the good fight.
She's been working hard to beat down Big Fap since the 1990s.
Good night everyone.

Posted by: Ben at September 15, 2010 11:08 PM (DKV43)

82 @78

Except that theory doesn't explain teh fluctuations in Castle's ratings. He had very liberal Chafee esque year and fairly conservative years. Any such 'larval theory' suggests that the philosophy was caution based upon the strategy of not angering his party too much or his state's liberal voters. He clearly hasn't been afraid to do either.

Posted by: inyouheadZombie at September 15, 2010 11:09 PM (RC7LR)

83 O'Donnell wasn't taking on a GOP incumbent in this race, was she? I
understand Castle spent $3 million+ to O'Donnell's $308,000. That's a
pretty wide margin is it not?

No, not really. He spent about $1M

Was Castle was 'entitled' to ascend to the throne simply because the "good ole boys" ordained it so? Why was nobody allowed to challenge the good ole boys' pick? Would you care to explain the purpose of a primary election ?

That's Russ's point...did you actually read what he wrote?...Castle was selected at the Delaware GOP convention. They held the primary afterward. He was the standard bearer of the Delaware GOP. Even if they wanted to they couldn't support O'Donnell because she didn't win the convention!

Which is one of my major gripes with O'Donnell. She said that the State GOP was campaigning against her...a major problem in most states...but in Delaware it's different. And she played on the ignorance of people to make her look like a poor, abused soul.

In reality, she is comparable to Murchowski...she's still campaigning after she lost. And O'Donnell ran against Biden in '08 because she was selected by the Convention. She won 60% of the convention vote in '08 and Tim Smith, her opponent in the convention, did not run in the primary because O'Donnell had won the convention!

Which made her the Establishment Pick of 2008.

I guess the Party kinda thought that she should observe the same respect she got in '08. (Forgetting that in '04 when she lost the convention she mounted a write in campaign.)

Which in the end is why I am so angry at the way people are heralding her. She became a part of the establishment when is suited her ('0 and was a maverick when it didn't ('04 and '10).

I'm just praying that she doesn't turn into a Maes. However, I expect her to beclown herself within the next two weeks by saying something stupid about the questions that still linger.

Posted by: Quilly Mammoth at September 15, 2010 11:10 PM (7rfUg)

84 @82

So Barack Obama has a 46-48 rating in Delaware. How many of those democrats who disapprove of him do you think will actually hate his policies enough to go to a much more conservative person than they would usually choose over a liberal who as of yet hasn't made a complete ass out of himself in their eyes? And remember that your margin is 1 pt and that we're potentially looking at a low water mark for obama.

Posted by: inyouheadZombie at September 15, 2010 11:11 PM (RC7LR)

85 And as far as Winterset being the "not quite quad city" goes, obviously you've never heard of the "Winterset-St.Charles-Earlham-Macksburg Metroplex", you cretin.

Posted by: Russ from Winterset at September 15, 2010 11:12 PM (/MEFr)

86 And here's the big question: If Castle was so fucking great, then why did he get creamed by a nobody? How is it none of you are discussing that factor?

this.

Posted by: Dave C at September 15, 2010 11:13 PM (4uhuW)

87 With more RINO's.. cap and trade PASSES.

Even if we dont have a majority.. OBAMA owns it.

or we could elect Rinos... he announces in his campaign stops "We passed Cap and trade with BI PARTISAN SUPPORT'

or he can go on the road with his stupid party OWNING it.

Posted by: Timbo at September 15, 2010 11:13 PM (ph9vn)

88 God I cant wait for this old school thought that only a liberal can get elected as a rebublican
TO DIE

Posted by: SukitTREBEK at September 15, 2010 11:13 PM (jBC6p)

89 No, go ahead knock yourself out, asshole. You got all butthurt because I thought that O'Donnell's very real baggage might catch up to her in the general, and now you're calling me a liar?
Posted by: Russ from Winterset at September 15, 2010 11:08 PM (/MEFr)
< Um, No . . . I'm calling you duplicitous and embarassed.Yes. . . let's examine the real baggage . . . should we start the volley low . . . I'll open your bid for you . . . and start off with the trusty 'why did it take her 2 decades to pay off her student loans?'
Your bid . . .

Posted by: journolist at September 15, 2010 11:13 PM (O/NP5)

90 He spent about $1M


FEC says that he spent $1,489,035 by August 25th.

Posted by: toby928 at September 15, 2010 11:14 PM (S5YRY)

91 "it would seem to me that Mike Castle who ran a coronation when he should have run a campaign"

Wordy McWorderson. Even with his positions he would likely not have lost if he hadn't done his best imitation of an entitled, arrogant lord turning his nose up at the peasants.

I can't believe there are Castle dead-enders still trying to browbeat people. He lost, and is ancient history. No one cares any more, and you're as sad as the Dems still ripping Bush. You know who matters now? My Pet Marxist.

Posted by: someone at September 15, 2010 11:14 PM (DfAwB)

92 Mike Castle is the co-founder of the Republican Main Street Partnership, an organization funded in part by George Soros.

I'll take a novice like O'Donnell over a Soros puppet any day of the week.

Posted by: Gran at September 15, 2010 11:14 PM (kmmbv)

93 I don't think this place is full of liberal RINOs. In fact, I take it that we're all, more or less, conservatives. What (I guess 'we') O'Donnell supports are questioning is why are we still listening to the establishment GOPers about who is and who isn't electable. I keep hearing that Castle would have been a lock. Uhm...I dunno, maybe. But I think O'Donnell has a good chance of taking the seat, and hell if I wouldn't rather support an underdog (not an impossibility by any means) like O'Donnell than a favorite like Castle. Tea Party-backed candidates -- you know, these "nobodies" -- keep SURPRISING everybody when they win. Well, we're no longer surprised.
We're nowignoring the so-called experts, if not foolishly acting out of principle, and we're putting our money and votes behind the conservative.
We don't think you're RINOs, we just think you haven't caught on yet just how powerful this movement is. Purity and Pragmaticism aren't mutually exclusive anymore.

Posted by: braininahat at September 15, 2010 11:14 PM (q1suJ)

94 58...because when he says "building coalitions" he's really saying, moving left.
Name a serious piece of legislation he crosses the aisle on that actually moves the country to the right? If the country is center-right, he needs to be pulling the left our direction. Especially him, as he is was untouchable. Instead, he's moved left, given cover to the demos and squishes on two of the most atrocious pieces of legislation ever attempted, and then lectures his constituency on the fine are of political stratagerie.

Leadership is moving people who disagree closer to your position through the power of ideas, communication, and conviction.



Posted by: The Hammer at September 15, 2010 11:15 PM (PAl5s)

95 @88

I've addressed this in 67. Don't blame others for your inability to read.

Posted by: inyouheadZombie at September 15, 2010 11:16 PM (RC7LR)

96 inyouheadzombie gives us his 'unique insights' into what went wrong (or right, if you're so inclined to look at things like an adult): O'Donnell's victory has proven nothing except that she can convince 53%
of a small subset of Delaware voters who don't at all resemble the
general election voters that they'd rather have them representing her.

Question for you zombiehead: Would this be the same "53%
of a small subset of Delaware voters" that Castle was unable to win? You unwittingly put your finger on the answer: he (Castle) had spent too long running for the general election to salvage the primary. In other words, he got de-railed on the way to what was supposed to be his coronation. Was that the problem, Zombie?

Posted by: alwyr at September 15, 2010 11:16 PM (w2++y)

97 See, what we really wanna do, Hinterland, is destroy the ever loving mother fucking shit out of Communists, who by the way have since made here their abode in the good old comfy USA. And I think that's a funny funny concept, don't you? Doesn't that make you chuckle?

Posted by: Corona at September 15, 2010 11:16 PM (woZIc)

98 < Um, No . . . I'm calling you duplicitous and embarassed.Yes. . . let's examine the real baggage . . . should we start the volley low . . . I'll open your bid for you . . . and start off with the trusty 'why did it take her 2 decades to pay off her student loans?'
Your bid . . .
Posted by: journolist at September 15, 2010 11:13 PM (O/NP5)
Quote please.

Posted by: Russ from Winterset at September 15, 2010 11:17 PM (/MEFr)

99 So why not put Rs after the name of a whole army of Nancy Pelosi's
just to make these RINO pussys happy.
Whats the point of having a party then?

Posted by: SukitTREBEK at September 15, 2010 11:17 PM (jBC6p)

100 @78

Except
that theory doesn't explain teh fluctuations in Castle's ratings. He
had very liberal Chafee esque year and fairly conservative years. Any
such 'larval theory' suggests that the philosophy was caution based upon
the strategy of not angering his party too much or his state's liberal
voters. He clearly hasn't been afraid to do either.


Posted by: inyouheadZombie at September 15, 2010 11:09 PM (RC7LR)
You're saying that Castle shifted like a weathervane to match the political mood as it changed from year to year and re-election to re-election. Take away two-thirds of his re-election campaigns (go from every 2 years to every 6) and he's free to vote his conscience. You can see the extreme version of that effect on the Supreme Court, where conservative justices end up drifting further and further Left when they get that for-life gig.

Posted by: stuiec at September 15, 2010 11:18 PM (fgCQL)

101 Posted by: alwyr at September 15, 2010 11:16 PM (w2++y)
< Isn't the entirety of DEa, "small subset"of voters? Kinda likeRuss' Winterset?

Posted by: journolist at September 15, 2010 11:18 PM (O/NP5)

102 @98

Sometimes these dumbfucks just out themselves in their own posts. How could I have unwittingly made a point if I EXPLICITLY WROTE THE FUCKING SENTENCE IN MY POST. Of course Castle was running for the general before. He beat O'Donnell at the convention and was up by double digits against the dem. He, like, any other rational individual realized he could win the state while O'Donnell stands no chance. Only a bunch of angry morons who refuse to looks at the polls or any evidence chose to vote him out to sathe their conniptions. I love how tea partiers are bragging about their victories. What have you won? What blue state have you put a red in? What purple state race have you made a sleeper by nominating a person the people had wanted all along?

Posted by: inyouheadZombie at September 15, 2010 11:20 PM (RC7LR)

103 You gonna get me a quote for that student loan line you attributed to me, journolist? While you're up, you might want to grab me a juicebox. Watching you flounder around embarrass yourself is thirsty work.

Posted by: Russ from Winterset at September 15, 2010 11:21 PM (/MEFr)

104 And remember that your margin is 1 pt and that we're potentially looking at a low water mark for obama.

Obama's approval goes pretty much down over time because his policies are designed to fail. I don't understand why any of you keep obsessively worrying that he's going to suddenly become popular again.

Posted by: Methos at September 15, 2010 11:21 PM (/z+uy)

105 #95
Zombie isn't talking about the rational O'Donnell supporters.
He is talking about the rabid maniacs in here just 2 nights ago calling ace a Rino-loving faggot and any poster who questioned CoD a total liberal Diablo.
Not exactly how you win friends and influence people.
now, onto the matter of the shift in "conventional wisdom"
I expect everyone post primay to back O'Donnell-
AS MUCH as I expected the same for Angle, Rossi, Fiorina, and Kirk.
They are our nominees- and in the case of O'Donnell and Kirk- they get seated immediately and are vital to protecting us against the Lame Duck.
The liberal Republican, MarkKirk, is in an interesting situation in that he NEEDS the conservative vote to survive in his state- conventional wisdom turned on its head where we had just recenty been told we need to be more liberal to win in blue states. Probably why he contacted Sarah Palin before and after his primary win, months before the recent purge. Before Murkowski and Castle got thrown, he started appealing directly to conservatives with his mid-summr southern Illinois campaign. He knows he has to stay in line or hes doomed (and because of his constant attack of the Chicago political machine- he HAS no future as an Indy or Democrat, so he has to be loyal).

My how conventional wisdom has turned when a liberal Republican in a blue state has to be MORE CONSERVATIVE to win.

Posted by: CAC at September 15, 2010 11:22 PM (lV4Fs)

106 I've addressed this in 67. Don't blame others for your inability to read.


Posted by: inyouheadZombie at September 15, 2010 11:16 PM (RC7LR)
Well, in your post at 67, you described a politician so convinced of his own entitlement to the office and so unused to actual competition that he had NO CLUE how to run a real race. Don't you suppose that ineptitude and complacency might have bitten him square on the ass in the general election? Or are you assuming that the Democrat Coons is such a weak and useless candidate that he wouldn't have even mounted a challenge to Castle?

Posted by: stuiec at September 15, 2010 11:23 PM (fgCQL)

107 We're inundated in chickens and all, but do you bastards have to fuck every last one of them?

Posted by: The Blue Hen State at September 15, 2010 11:24 PM (yRrAd)

108 "Pragmatist" that's what you guys think you are?

I'll just stick with RINO candy ass.

Posted by: ingenus at September 15, 2010 11:25 PM (+sBB4)

109 @73 That's nice. His average is a 52. In 2008 he got a 28. In 2007 he did even better with a 20. Yeah, total mainstream moderate you've got yourself there. And he ran one heck of a primary campaign against the crazy cat lady, so we know he is a competent campaigner as well. It is such a shame the primary voters did not select him.

Posted by: Creepy Lying Douche at September 15, 2010 11:26 PM (Snu7z)

110 105 You gonna get me a quote for that student loan line you attributed to me, journolist? While you're up, you might want to grab me a juicebox. Watching you flounder around embarrass yourself is thirsty work.
Posted by: Russ from Winterset at September 15, 2010 11:21 PM (/MEFr)
Wow . . . you are very artful inprojection and word regurgitation. And as far as a juicebox . . . you in a dry county?

Posted by: journolist at September 15, 2010 11:26 PM (O/NP5)

111 Can o'really please have a democratic strategist on the program who is not a total moron.

Posted by: curious at September 15, 2010 11:26 PM (p302b)

112 88 And here's the big question: If Castle was so fucking great, then why did he get creamed by a nobody? How is it none of you are discussing that factor?this.
Posted by: Dave C at September 15, 2010 11:13 PM (4uhuW)
Who called Castle the greatest fucking thing ever? Seriously are so many obsessed with thinking everyone here would get on their knees for Castle, just because they weren't in a frothing mess for O'Donnell?

Posted by: buzzion at September 15, 2010 11:27 PM (oVQFe)

113 My Pet Marxist.


Posted by: someone at September 15, 2010 11:14 PM (DfAwB)
This needs to be plastered on every surface in Delaware.I suggest a quick children's book orderable through the Amazon self-publishing facility as a fundraising tool for O'Donnell.

Posted by: stuiec at September 15, 2010 11:28 PM (fgCQL)

114 @102

I don't buy that theory for two reasons: 1 -when you consider Castle's most recent high conservative rating despite the fact that he was coming up for an election in a liberal state a lot of those narrative you're trying to concoct here get's flushed. You can look at his ratings year by year and they don't rise or decline monotonically with somethign like say the republican senate/house number. 2 - His 52 number is averaged over 18 years - a long enough sample size to account for such manuevering.

Additionally, the SCOTUS analogy is an awful one. A guy like Souter 'migrated' because they didn't vet him and knew nothing about him. Stevens was just a bad compromise pick. Additionally, there are too many pressures in teh senate in terms of committee assignments, etc and the fact you still do have to get re-elected, supported by your party to deviate that wildy versus the lifetime security of SCOTUS.

Posted by: inyouheadZombie at September 15, 2010 11:29 PM (RC7LR)

115 The Blue Hen State: "We're inundated in chickens and all, but do you bastards have to fuck every last one of them?"

You can never have enough bastards for the fight, so... yes?

Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at September 15, 2010 11:29 PM (swuwV)

116 The most surprising piece of the day:

Newsweek's Howard Fineman (seriously) goes to Delaware and is scared shitless by what he sees

...though not, I suppose, as scared as Karl Rove. Guy's a master of his brand of politicking, but if all you have is a hammer, amnesty starts to look like a good electoral move.

Posted by: someone at September 15, 2010 11:29 PM (DfAwB)

117 btw- look at Carly Fiorina.
Conventional Californian wisdom is you pick a conservative, force them to the middle during the general (don't talk about abortion! don't talk about environmental policy in a bad light! dont talk abou...), and they might win.
That has failed in every election after Pete Wilson won in 1988.
Carly isn't 100% conservative, but far more so than any candidate since probably Wilson- and she hasn't Whitman'd her way to the middle.She attacked Babs and the Green Police on the water issue and environmental overregulation. She has stayed firm on her abortion stance despite Boxers ridiculous accusastions Fiorina would have half the women in Cali locked up.
Dino Rossi is hardly a RINO (despite the Didiertards) and besides a pathetic CNN poll and an even more pathetic Elway poll, he had held Murray's feet to the fire (scoring leads in Survey USA, Rasmussen, and a narrow 3pt deficit in a registered PPP poll).
Johnson is running on a pro-small business TEA party platform- and hes leading.
People in blue states don't want to hear about uterii and teh gays- but they will listen to a conservative message on businesses and taxes after suffeing the wrath of liberal deficits.

Posted by: CAC at September 15, 2010 11:29 PM (lV4Fs)

118 113 Can o'really please have a democratic strategist on the program who is not a total moron.
Posted by: curious at September 15, 2010 11:26 PM (p302b)
That's like finding a lawyer in heaven.

Posted by: buzzion at September 15, 2010 11:30 PM (oVQFe)

119 good stuff russ!

Posted by: Indian Outlaw at September 15, 2010 11:30 PM (8zsWd)

120 "Zombie isn't talking about the rational O'Donnell supporters."
If you're going to divide O'D supporters into "rational" and "irrational", you should also note that everyone still bitching about Castle today is showing himself to be unhinged.

Though some random "inyourheadZombie" guy in a comments section doesn't have a reputation to trash the way Rove does.

Posted by: someone at September 15, 2010 11:31 PM (DfAwB)

121 A caller to talk radio today called him "tokyo rove"....and said that he met with the tea party people a year ago to push his candidate. Basically, when they weren't responding he offered to help them work within government and they basically shut him down. Guess who his candidate was? Of course you know. Guess he's not used to being trounced or picking the wrong candidate. But, then again Levin did say that the Reaganites are way classier than "the bush guys".

Having seen o'really, guess he's in the rovian camp. And, having seen rove did in on Greta, and claim it is because he is a fox news analyst, makes you want to ask all kinds of conflict of interest questions, doesn't it?

Posted by: curious at September 15, 2010 11:32 PM (p302b)

122 Who called Castle the greatest fucking thing
ever? Seriously are so many obsessed with thinking everyone here would
get on their knees for Castle, just because they weren't in a frothing
mess for O'Donnell?

Posted by: buzzion at September 15, 2010 11:27 PM (oVQFe)
That's not the point. The big thing that Castle was supposed to have going for him was electability. It speaks poorly of a candidate's electability if he's not even able to get elected (that is, nominated) by the voters of his own party.Further, if -- a big if -- O'Donnell moves up in the polls in the next few weeks and looks like she's electable, doesn't that make her as good a candidate as Castle would have been -- from the electability standpoint?

Posted by: stuiec at September 15, 2010 11:32 PM (fgCQL)

123 Wow, the long never ending streams of complaintreguarding Everything must be a sign. Who Knows what this election cycle will prove?
No One. I for one hope that the Moron Nation can keep its collective ass and mind together long enough to survive what comes, And not go down the LGF Highway of Doom.
Some are Fighting the Wrong Folks. (not Will)

Posted by: Long Hair'd Country Boy at September 15, 2010 11:32 PM (UX1mX)

124 Wow . . . you are very artful inprojection and word regurgitation. And as far as a juicebox . . . you in a dry county?

Posted by: journolist at September 15, 2010 11:26 PM (O/NP5)
And apparently, you're very artful in calling someone a liar without having the slightest shred of proof to back it up, douchebag. Now present the quote, or STFU.

Posted by: Russ from Winterset at September 15, 2010 11:33 PM (/MEFr)

125 "People in blue states don't want to hear about uterii and teh gays"

So how did California vote on that proposition thingy again?

I agree it's a distraction in this year's races, but let's not forget.

Posted by: someone at September 15, 2010 11:33 PM (DfAwB)

126 @108

No, he got bitten in the ass by his rationality. Most candidates, parties, rational human being apply some type of game theory when running in states whose ideology tends to differ from their parties. It's a pretty sound policy. It's why we see a Snowe, Collins, Tester, Webb, etc. They offer a marginal benefit for their party from an unexpected source. The problem is that if you get entrenched in that rational mindset a retarded wildcard can once in a while screw you over. A good analogy is having a bunch of guys who are all experienced at poker sitting down for a game of Texas Hold'em and still losing to a beginner who has so little idea of what they're doing that their irrationality is insurmountable. Unfortunately for O'Donnell, I suspect her pot at the end of the game is a 15 pt loss.

Posted by: inyouheadZombie at September 15, 2010 11:34 PM (RC7LR)

127 People in blue states don't want to hear about
uterii and teh gays- but they will listen to a conservative message on
businesses and taxes after suffeing the wrath of liberal deficits.

Posted by: CAC at September 15, 2010 11:29 PM (lV4Fs)
With respect to Carly in Cali, I would have voted for Chuck De Vore if (a) he'd had any shot of winning the nomination and/or (b) I was sure Tom Campbell was safely assured of losing the nomination. Since neither (a) nor (b) obtained, I voted for Carly and am happy with my vote.

Posted by: stuiec at September 15, 2010 11:36 PM (fgCQL)

128 The Yellow Rove of Texas?

Posted by: ingenus at September 15, 2010 11:37 PM (+sBB4)

129 Why won't you dumbfucks listen to me when I try to tell you what a horrible, world-ending mistake you made when you noticed Castle was pretty much a worthless p.o.s. and were sort of happy even though you know O'Donell has less of a chance to win a Senate seat in year when have to get a damned clean sweep to even have a whisper of a chance of getting 51 Senators. Just imagine where we'd be with Mike Castle as that 51st vote and Lindsey Graham as chair of the Judiciary Committee. But no, you applauded that ditzy cat lady, and now, all is lost. Stop punching down, imbeciles!

Posted by: Zombie rageboy at September 15, 2010 11:37 PM (Snu7z)

130 @111

Ok, so you're a disingenuous lying sack of shit. Why didn't you mention his most recent number was 56? Right, becuase when it fits your playbook, it's all right to use MSNBC tactics. And you do realize he's been a rep for 18 year right. An 18 year avg of 52 is a much better track record than youre cherry picking. Pathetic.

@124

Again. Are you a fucking moron? Do you understand that he ran in a primary where 60k people voted? In a state where there are 5 time that number of democrats alone registered to vote? Do you think that O'Donnell has proven she can win? When she took home 30 fucking percent the last time she ran. Are you too stupid to distinguish between a partisan primary election and what will surely be a less favorable for a conservative general one?



And for a supposedly knowledgeable set of people, I'm surprised none of the morons here get the reference of my name.

Posted by: inyouheadZombie at September 15, 2010 11:38 PM (RC7LR)

131 Posted by: Russ from Winterset at September 15, 2010 11:33 PM (/MEFr)

No, he called you duplicitous, remember?

duplicity - acting in bad faith; deception by pretending to entertain one set of intentions while acting under the influence of another

This is caused by statements like:
Do I think O'Donnell is the best candidate for the Delaware electorate? It doesn't matter

Just asking innocent questions, you know. Not intending any harm.

A weasel. And not in the good way.

Posted by: The Dread Pirate Neck Beard at September 15, 2010 11:38 PM (wOtDN)

132 At this point Karl Rove is so out of touch
he wouldnt know political strategy if it sat in his lap and licked his nipples.

Posted by: Countaxula at September 15, 2010 11:38 PM (jBC6p)

133 That's not the point. The big thing that Castle was supposed to have going for him was electability. It speaks poorly of a candidate's electability if he's not even able to get elected (that is, nominated) by the voters of his own party
That may be your question. But it is not the question of the people I am responding to. They are asking about if Castle was so great. No one here was calling him great like they are attempting to claim.
If you want to discuss electability and what happened well that's something of a reasonable discussion that can be carried out. Because that doesn't rely on the strawman that people here were calling Castle great.

Posted by: buzzion at September 15, 2010 11:39 PM (oVQFe)

134 Unfortunately for O'Donnell, I suspect her pot at the end of the game is a 15 pt loss.
Posted by: inyouheadZombie at September 15, 2010 11:34 PM (RC7LR)
Jeebus, there is only one thing more irritating than a loser and that's a sore loser.
You need to get over it.

Posted by: robtr at September 15, 2010 11:39 PM (fwSHf)

135 @131

Listen Snu7z. We already know you're a liar, a disingenuous hack, have no sense of humor and can't make a rational argument. Why embarrass yourself now by claiming Graham would be made head of the judiciary committee when there's no chance he would outrank a guy like Sessions or Hatch already outrank him?

We know you're a dumbfuck. Don't go out of your way to prove it.

Posted by: inyouheadZombie at September 15, 2010 11:41 PM (RC7LR)

136 Unfortunately for O'Donnell, I suspect her pot at the end of the game is a 15 pt loss.


Posted by: inyouheadZombie at September 15, 2010 11:34 PM (RC7LR)
Whether by bad luck frustrating his masterful strategy or by his own abject failure to read the primary electorate, Castle failed. Now O'Donnell has the challenge of formulating her own grand strategy for the general election... and whether by luck or by design, she made her primary strategy work.

Posted by: stuiec at September 15, 2010 11:41 PM (fgCQL)

137 @136

I'm sorry that not delusionally buying into the Beckian fantasy that all of a sudden tomorrow teachers unions and welfare lackeys and the other interest groups that constitute the majority of voters in Delaware will somehow be enlightened into voting for a conservative candidate (especially one who has done nothing to suggest she'll be a good candidate) is being a sore loser to you. Then again, reality doesn't seem to be a big deal for you when you have your precious anger.

Posted by: inyouheadZombie at September 15, 2010 11:43 PM (RC7LR)

138 "Have a primary where all the prospective nominees can hash out their differences, ask the voters to pick their poison."
You win some, you lose some. Bob Bennett was defeated in Utah because he lost at the state convention, where ca. 3,500 delegatesnarrow the field of candidates down to 2, at most (anyone who gets 60% is automatically the nominee, with no primary at all). The advantage of this system is that it downplays the role of money in the caqmpaign, and forincumbents most of that money is from special interests. Rather than getting to spend millions of dollars on airtime, the candidates have to meet with delegates in small groups and try to win their support.
And fwiw, participation at the precinct meetings where delegates were selected was very, very high.

Posted by: Wilkey at September 15, 2010 11:44 PM (tBrQI)

139 My guess is we'll be seeing outbreaks of sandinvagitis for another week or so.



Some people just can't figure out that about the least productive thing
you can do (for yourself, too) is to rant about how much smarter you are
than the folks you're talking to and how stupid they are for not following you.

Posted by: someone at September 15, 2010 11:44 PM (DfAwB)

140 133 Posted by: Russ from Winterset at September 15, 2010 11:33 PM (/MEFr) No, he called you duplicitous, remember? duplicity - acting in bad faith; deception by pretending to entertain one set of intentions while acting under the influence of another This is caused by statements like: Do I think O'Donnell is the best candidate for the Delaware electorate? It doesn't matter Just asking innocent questions, you know. Not intending any harm. A weasel. And not in the good way.
Posted by: The Dread Pirate Neck Beard at September 15, 2010 11:38 PM (wOtDN)

If I had come out with rah-rah bullshit about how O'Donnell is the greatest thing since the invention of the blowjob after being skeptical about her in the primary, THEN you might have a case for "duplicitous". Funny, I don't remember saying any of that. I stated that any opinions I had about her electability were rendered moot by the primary results. That's a fact. Sorry if you don't like it. Now go back read my original post again, and maybe you'll get my point.....if you think about it.

Posted by: Russ from Winterset at September 15, 2010 11:44 PM (/MEFr)

141 And for a supposedly knowledgeable set of people, I'm surprised none of the morons here get the reference of my name.


Posted by: inyouheadZombie at September 15, 2010 11:38 PM (RC7LR)
Last time I checked, "lying sack of shit" and "fucking moron" were sure signs that the person who typed them had his head invaded by his interlocutors and was losing his ability to make a rational argument.

Posted by: stuiec at September 15, 2010 11:45 PM (fgCQL)

142 @138

You're right. And I hope to god she can get something together to put together a nice campaign for the remaining 9 weeks. I have no interest in seeing another guy elected who'll fit in ideologically with Bernie Sanders.

Posted by: inyouheadZombie at September 15, 2010 11:45 PM (RC7LR)

143 Thank goodness we won't have a GOP Senate that will negotiate amnesty, and cap and tax, with Obama in the spirit of bipartisanship and comrade-ery.

Posted by: ingenus at September 15, 2010 11:46 PM (+sBB4)

144 FEC says that he spent $1,489,035 by August 25th.

Still far short of the $3M being bandied about the various Tea Party sites. And a lot of that was brand building against Coons because, you know, Castle won the State Convention?

All O'Donnell had to do was run against Castle. If she did win, which she did, then she'd deal with it later. As she has done thanks to Karl Rove.

Rove's diatribe is what made 100,000 people go to her site and donate at the behest of Limbaugh, Hannity and Levin.

Rove is till The Architect, no other event from last night could have driven the people to O'Donnell's site the way Rove's speech did as played ad nauseum over Conservative Airwaves.

Posted by: Quilly Mammoth at September 15, 2010 11:46 PM (7rfUg)

145 I'm sorry that not delusionally buying into the Beckian fantasy that all of a sudden tomorrow teachers unions and welfare lackeys and the other interest groups that constitute the majority of voters in Delaware will somehow be enlightened into voting for a conservative candidate . . .

Posted by: inyouheadZombie at September 15, 2010 11:43 PM (RC7LR)

You're not making any sense now. Since when do any of the groups you seem so happy to hang your future on vote for your worthless RINOs? I mean, except in open primaries.

Posted by: The Dread Pirate Neck Beard at September 15, 2010 11:46 PM (wOtDN)

146 @141 @143

Read through my posts. Read through my earlier posts on earlier Del threads. You'll notice I've made plenty of arguments in all of these threads.

They been ignored. You have ignored them. Instead we've heard, FUCK YOU LIBERAL COMMIE RINOS! And then after the election, 'why the fuck won't you enthusiastically toss our salads you LIBERAL COMMIE RINOS'. Excuse me if I've decided that the majority of you dumbfucks don't deserve civility along with the arguments I make that you can't contest.

Posted by: inyouheadZombie at September 15, 2010 11:48 PM (RC7LR)

147 I want to know what it is about Christine O'Donnell that makes supporting her the test of a True Conservative. Because supporting Miller and Rubio aren't enough for us to avoid labels like RINO and lefty around here.
I'm serious, why her? Her decades-old loans, her anti-masturbation campaign, her 5k/year income, suing ISI...what is it? What is it about her thatpeople can go from solid conservative to class traitor for not supporting her?

Posted by: Paul at September 15, 2010 11:48 PM (DsHk0)

148 inyouheadZombie
yeah right
like the democrats are sooooo fucking motivated right now
the democrats are riding such a BIG ASS WAVE
of success that they are running away from obama
that should win the democrats shit loads of elections
right dumb ass

Posted by: Countaxula at September 15, 2010 11:48 PM (jBC6p)

149 And also fwiw, if the last comment didn't make it clear, delegates to the state GOP convention aren't "party insiders" - they're selected by the rank and file at meetings held in every precinct across the state.

Posted by: Wilkey at September 15, 2010 11:49 PM (tBrQI)

150 #127
I know. Let me rephrase- when peoples concerns are the economy and jobs, they don't want to hear that Carly will jail you for turning a fetus into scrambled eggs or that two dudes fucking makes Johnson uncomfortable- the candidates may have social conservative positions (like McDonnell in VA) but those are secondary to the big ones. The big fear has always been the blue states wont listen to someone with some socially conservative views- its not that its a turnoff, but a distraction from the bigger problem that the liberals TRY to manipulate it- and people like Angle, Fiorina, Christie, and even Brown took those "heesss a right wing nutcase spyin in your room and up your 'gina!" and threw it back into the Democrats face like a rancid meatpie and went on to attack the Democrat on their socialist destruction of the United States.

Posted by: CAC at September 15, 2010 11:49 PM (lV4Fs)

151 Sorry to say.....Rove was on Greta doubling and redoubling his dissection of OD.....his passionto skewer her apparently will go on and on dailyon Fox(and be replayed ad nauseum on CNN andMsnbc). He may be a paid "architect" for the Dem cause at this point. But he certainly is a handsomehunk who deserves our fealty.

Posted by: grizzlybare at September 15, 2010 11:49 PM (5Zqvh)

152 Uhm, is that pro- or anti- O'Donnell?

Posted by: braininahat at September 15, 2010 11:50 PM (q1suJ)

153 @147

I'm not claiming that any of those specific groups would vote for Castle. But clearly Castle was able to pull some of the traditional delaware interest groups or at least splinter them enough to have persistent leads. The post primary poll shows a 30 pt shift from Castle to O'Donnell. There's no way that's happened without losing some dem/left leaning indy voters.

Posted by: inyouheadZombie at September 15, 2010 11:50 PM (RC7LR)

154 Then again, reality doesn't seem to be a big deal for you when you have your precious anger.
Posted by: inyouheadZombie at September 15, 2010 11:43 PM (RC7LR)
Heh, sorry champ, I'm fresh out of anger. Anger on the interwebs is like yelling at the television. Neither does much for me.
Watching yours is entertaining though.
The election is over, you can choose to live with the results or not. I really don't care either way.

Posted by: robtr at September 15, 2010 11:50 PM (fwSHf)

155 If we are going to let LIBERALS decide who our canidates are
then why in the fuck do we call ouselves REPUBLICANS????

Posted by: Countaxula at September 15, 2010 11:51 PM (jBC6p)

156 Posted by: Quilly Mammoth at September 15, 2010 11:46 PM (7rfUg)

nope, sorry, there's too much evidence out there that his candidate of choice was castle. What made her website crash was Linbaugh saying that if his entire audience just gave a buck, she'd do ok. Hannity's audience and Levin's audience were subsequently told where they could give also.

I agree, rove is still the architect, but the architect for who? During the presidential election at times you could feel his fine behind the scenes hand but not for the republican.

Posted by: curious at September 15, 2010 11:51 PM (p302b)

157 *sanitized for your protection* RfW

Posted by: Phil Jones at September 15, 2010 11:52 PM (HI1n3)

158 @150

Yeah, because nominating really conservative candidates in purple-blue states has been such a winner for us. As of right now polls suggest Harry FUCKING Reid - the same guy who wantonly put american soldiers' lives at risk - stands a good chance at reelection.

Posted by: inyouheadZombie at September 15, 2010 11:52 PM (RC7LR)

159 So the Republican leadership, and Bush cronies like Rove are attacking Republican candidates.
These candidates are more outsiders than Republicans.

The American public, so we are told by the MFM, hate Bush and the Republicans... so...

these candidates that are being bashed by the leadership and folks like Rove and O'Reilly...aren't Bush Republicans.
Therefore...the media narrative has been turned around to...

aaaaaaaaah. By the way morons...put on these sunglasses...

Posted by: Roddy Pipper sporting cool shades at September 15, 2010 11:53 PM (lV4Fs)

160 nope, sorry, there's too much evidence out there that his candidate of
choice was castle. What made her website crash was Linbaugh saying
that if his entire audience just gave a buck, she'd do ok. Hannity's
audience and Levin's audience were subsequently told where they could
give also.

You mean right after he played Rove talking?
And Hannity said the same thing right after playing Rove Talking.
And Right after Levin interviewed her and played Rove Talking?

I guess you're right...just a coincidence.

Posted by: Quilly Mammoth at September 15, 2010 11:55 PM (7rfUg)

161 Reid will lose. I guarantee it.

Posted by: The guy who guarantees everything. at September 15, 2010 11:55 PM (q1suJ)

162 Yeah, because nominating really conservative candidates in purple-blue states has been such a winner for us. As of right now polls suggest Harry FUCKING Reid - the same guy who wantonly put american soldiers' lives at risk - stands a good chance at reelection.
Posted by: inyouheadZombie at September 15, 2010 11:52 PM (RC7LR)
In case you're new to this planet Harry fucking Reid has been getting re elected since before most people here were born.

Posted by: robtr at September 15, 2010 11:56 PM (fwSHf)

163 #160
I was WITH you 2 nights ago against the hoard of mindlessness.
But seriously, use facts.
Angle was the weakest of the 3- but all 3 had skeletons and damage that Reid with $25million was going to exploit.
Angle crashed- and has recovered.
Reid is BARELY ahead in polling, upside down in approval, with his son getting his nuts steam-flattened by Sandoval. 50/50 isnt a GOOD CHANCE, its a tossup.

Posted by: CAC at September 15, 2010 11:56 PM (lV4Fs)

164 149
I want to know what it is about Christine O'Donnell that makes supporting her the test of a True Conservative. Because supporting Miller and Rubio aren't enough for us to avoid labels like RINO and lefty around here.
I just can't figure out why so many people have been treating this like its Lindsey Graham that was being supported. I mean if they were writing posts about him and saying "He's probably the most conservative candidate we're likely to get elected to the Senate in South Carolina" then yeah I'd understand slamming people as being RINO cocksuckers. But this is Delaware, in they were looking at strategy for taking the senate and picking up an easy seat with little effort to focus on more difficult races.

Posted by: buzzion at September 15, 2010 11:56 PM (oVQFe)

165 Fuck you, Piper. I ain't playing your game, psycho-boy.

Posted by: Keith David, rocking a bitching flannel shirt at September 15, 2010 11:56 PM (/MEFr)

166 so if we are not going to nominate
conservatives
then I guess we are just a bunch of democrats
right RINOs
fuck you
fuck your stupid ass last century strategy
fuck your stupid old looking canidates
and FUCK JOHN MCCAIN

Posted by: Countaxula at September 15, 2010 11:56 PM (jBC6p)

167 Whatever good luck to O'Donnell and to her clearly slightly mentally incapacitated supporters. I hope she wins and that her voters get the medical help they so clearly need. And that first part is good faith, if she's the 51 republican senator seated in this congress I'll break out the assless chaps and courvoisier.

Posted by: inyouheadZombie at September 15, 2010 11:56 PM (RC7LR)

168 I haven't read the entire thread. Geez, it's too long.
I wonder how much this shenanigans has helped with fundraising? Maybe the architect was willing to distance himself and help the broad out. . . The Independents probably like the idea that this isn't a Republican-controlled candidate. I know I would if I were one of those types.
I just can't believe Rove would be a RINO. I don't want to believe it.

Posted by: Sad Truth at September 15, 2010 11:57 PM (SQvIY)

169 142 133 Posted by: Russ from Winterset at September 15, 2010 11:33 PM (/MEFr) No, he called you duplicitous, remember? duplicity - acting in bad faith; deception by pretending to entertain one set of intentions while acting under the influence of another This is caused by statements like: Do I think O'Donnell is the best candidate for the Delaware electorate? It doesn't matter Just asking innocent questions, you know. Not intending any harm. A weasel. And not in the good way.
Posted by: The Dread Pirate Neck Beard at September 15, 2010 11:38 PM (wOtDN)
< Arrrgh . . . Dread Pirate Neck Beard . . . I can fight my own battles and now dang it . . . I feel sorry for Russ . . . but not that sorry.

Posted by: journolist at September 15, 2010 11:57 PM (O/NP5)

170 Inez Sainz just walked into the ace bar. You guys pull your pants up and let's see those hands.

Posted by: ingenus at September 15, 2010 11:57 PM (+sBB4)

171 The GOP would have more money to spend on candidates if they pledged to support all GOP nominees in the general elections.

This "boo hoo there is only so much money to go around" stuff is pure crap.

If the GOP is short of money it is so because they are short of guts and principles.

This idea that if the GOP spends one penny on CO'D they lose five close racesis just pure sore loser, pseudo-sophisticated bs.

Somehow a huge pile of money appeared for CO'D overnight. The money and drive is out there. The GOP doesn't know how to get it and doesn't want what it will bring.

Change.

Posted by: eman at September 15, 2010 11:57 PM (zCAXm)

172 I'll break out the assless chaps and courvoisier.

But first you will blow me.

Posted by: 13times at September 15, 2010 11:57 PM (h6XiD)

173 Didn't Castle vote against the surge? Fuck him.

Posted by: Dr. Spank at September 15, 2010 11:59 PM (Y81Xa)

174 OT: Homeland security has you on it's terror watch list...
I know it's old news, but someone's advancing the ball on this issue.

Posted by: Truman North at September 15, 2010 11:59 PM (HLGCA)

175 Posted by: Russ from Winterset at September 15, 2010 11:44 PM (/MEFr)

Your duplicity stems from your pretty little philosophical argument that amounts to "the system is broken". In reality all you wannabe stratergerists (whom, I might remind you, are the same bent ones who gave us such electable luminaries as George H. W. Bush, Robert Dole, John McCain) are just upset because nobody listens to you. All your ideas are so good. All your straergeries and mechanations even have Alinsky's stamp of approval. And all us stupid conservatives just sit around trying to purify the party by not voting for the people you guarantee us will win and give us a really pretty leftist-Republican voting bloc. No thank you. I'd rather lose than sell out. And I'm afraid there are more of us than you'd planned.

But you're right, you're not duplicitous. You're really giving all this free advice about how stupid we are for not picking your candidate using your magical election winning methods because you're conservative too, and not just some bent whiner crying into his bag of cheese puffs.

Posted by: The Dread Pirate Neck Beard at September 15, 2010 11:59 PM (wOtDN)

176 @174

Charlie Crist?

Posted by: inyouheadZombie at September 15, 2010 11:59 PM (RC7LR)

177 AMEN
EMAN

Posted by: Countaxula at September 16, 2010 12:00 AM (jBC6p)

178 "I wonder how much this shenanigans has helped with fundraising? Maybe
the architect was willing to distance himself and help the broad out."

That might explain tantrum #1 on Tuesday but to *do it again* the next day on Greta!?

I can't believe people still buy the super-genius stuff after he signed off on pushing amnesty. *Twice*.

Posted by: someone at September 16, 2010 12:00 AM (DfAwB)

179 journolist, how about we leave it at this: You're seeing some bandwagon jumping from some of the CO'D opponents now that she's won, but you have no reason to doubt my sincerity based on my track record or the content of this post. Is that a goodcompromise? It works for me if it works for you.

Posted by: Russ from Winterset at September 16, 2010 12:01 AM (/MEFr)

180
I'm serious, why her? Her decades-old loans, her anti-masturbation campaign, her 5k/year income, suing ISI...what is it? What is it about her that people can go from solid conservative to class traitor for not supporting her?Posted by: Paul at September 15, 2010 11:48 PM (DsHk0)
At this five minutes, not supporting her is leaving the door open for Coons.Forty-eight hours ago, your point was valid. But forty-eight hours ago is soooooo day-before-yesterday.

Posted by: stuiec at September 16, 2010 12:01 AM (fgCQL)

181 Midnight on the East Coast: $840,000 for O'Donnell today.
$20 of that was all me.

Posted by: The guy who guarantees everything. at September 16, 2010 12:01 AM (q1suJ)

182 I just can't believe Rove would be a RINO. I don't want to believe it.
Posted by: Sad Truth at September 15, 2010 11:57 PM (SQvIY)

See my comment 149. He's only a RINO if Christine O'Donnell is the be-all-end-all of conservatism. I want to know why.

Posted by: Paul at September 16, 2010 12:01 AM (DsHk0)

183 I just can't believe Rove would be a RINO. I don't want to believe it.
Posted by: Sad Truth at September 15, 2010 11:57 PM (SQvIY)
He had W. running as a Compassionate Conservative. Him being RINOish really isn't shocking.

Posted by: buzzion at September 16, 2010 12:02 AM (oVQFe)

184 It looks like Karl didn't think it important to let everyone know he was working for Castle.

BTW, Y81Xa [Paul?], are you a substitute teacher by any chance?

Posted by: andycanuck at September 16, 2010 12:02 AM (3phFo)

185 167 Fuck you, Piper. I ain't playing your game, psycho-boy.
Posted by: Keith David, rocking a bitching flannel shirt at September 15, 2010 11:56 PM (/MEFr)
Don't make me beat these onto you.
Oh and also I need a sample of your blood after some confusion in Antartica...

Posted by: Roddy Piper who really wants you to put on the fucking sunglasses at September 16, 2010 12:02 AM (lV4Fs)

186 Hi,
We are the republican Rinos and we would like to intorduce our choice for canidates for 2010
Yes they are all clones of the current democrat leadership
but what the hell its all about winning and not about principle right
...ooops I meant left hehehe

Posted by: Countaxula at September 16, 2010 12:03 AM (jBC6p)

187 Dread Pirate, well played.

Posted by: ingenus at September 16, 2010 12:03 AM (+sBB4)

188 Posted by: Quilly Mammoth at September 15, 2010 11:55 PM (7rfUg)

that was tonight. Linbaugh was today.

Posted by: curious at September 16, 2010 12:04 AM (p302b)

189 I can't believe people still buy the super-genius stuff after he signed off on pushing amnesty. *Twice*.
Posted by: someone at September 16, 2010 12:00 AM (DfAwB)
Rove has been a sorry fucker for years. He not only pushed amnesty he also was the one behind the medicare drug bill because he thought he could buy some votes with it. Maybe he did but he fucked eveyone else that has to pay for it.
He sat on his fat assed laurels for the next 4 years and did nothing while Bush was trashed on a daily basis. Rove played a very significant part in ruining the republican party and costing us the house and senate in 2006.

Posted by: robtr at September 16, 2010 12:05 AM (fwSHf)

190 "He's only a RINO if Christine O'Donnell is the be-all-end-all of conservatism."

Making personal attacks two days running about your party's primary-winning candidate for Senate makes him, well, RINO isn't the worst word.

If he wanted to be all smart insider he could say, oh, she has a steep hill to climb to win the seat, maybe not good strategy for GOP voters, etc. But doing the Marxist Pet's character assassination for him? No excuse. Even Michael Steele isn't that stupid.

Posted by: someone at September 16, 2010 12:06 AM (DfAwB)

191 Your duplicity stems from your pretty little philosophical argument that amounts to "the system is broken". In reality all you wannabe stratergerists (whom, I might remind you, are the same bent ones who gave us such electable luminaries as George H. W. Bush, Robert Dole, John McCain) are just upset because nobody listens to you. All your ideas are so good. All your straergeries and mechanations even have Alinsky's stamp of approval. And all us stupid conservatives just sit around trying to purify the party by not voting for the people you guarantee us will win and give us a really pretty leftist-Republican voting bloc. No thank you. I'd rather lose than sell out. And I'm afraid there are more of us than you'd planned. But you're right, you're not duplicitous. You're really giving all this free advice about how stupid we are for not picking your candidate using your magical election winning methods because you're conservative too, and not just some bent whiner crying into his bag of cheese puffs.
Posted by: The Dread Pirate Neck Beard at September 15, 2010 11:59 PM (wOtDN)
whiskey
tango
foxtrot?
Actually, I think this idea IS pretty good. It's never a bad idea to let the voters have more of a say than delegates do when you're picking out your candidate (as we've seen in the Primary results from Delaware).
Now it's my fault that Bush the Elder, Dole AND McCain got the nominations? And yet, you wonder why some people still consider you borderline retarded.

Posted by: Russ from Winterset at September 16, 2010 12:06 AM (/MEFr)

192 Blame Bush is now Blame Rove. Sounds good.

Posted by: ingenus at September 16, 2010 12:07 AM (+sBB4)

193 and whats with the faggy "K" in Roves first name
just like a commy would spell Karl

Posted by: Countaxula at September 16, 2010 12:07 AM (jBC6p)

194 Hey Russ, just face it, man. You're just not pure enough. The scales didn't fall off your eyes because St. Levin and his myrmidons took the day in Delaware. You didn't see the light and abase yourself.

And for that you will be punished.

Posted by: Quilly Mammoth at September 16, 2010 12:08 AM (7rfUg)

195 What I'd like to do here is look ahead and try to make a suggestion of
how the Delaware Republican Party could possibly take a step towards
healing the rift between the pragmatists RINO's and the purists CONSERVATIVES.

See what I did there? Like the NYT, such a bias can be conveyed by just a few words.

Posted by: Jehu at September 16, 2010 12:09 AM (WT0jb)

196 Great analysis of the strength of the TEA movement from an unlikely source.
Perplexed journalists keep looking for the movement's leaders, which is like asking to meet the boss of the Internet. Baffled politicians and lobbyists can't find anyone to negotiate with. "We can be hard to work with, because we're confusing," Meckler acknowledges. "We're constantly fighting against the traditional societal pressure to become a top-down organization." So why would anyone want to form this kind of group, or network, or hive, or starfish, or lava flow, or whatever it is?

Posted by: Truman North at September 16, 2010 12:09 AM (HLGCA)

197 You ain't getting my blood, but I WILL give you a urine sample. Garry Nauls can wipe it off your burned corpse after I get done pissing all over you, you bearded freak.

Posted by: Keith David, in a parka, carrying a flamethrower at September 16, 2010 12:09 AM (/MEFr)

198 Afterthe big stock market crash comesthis October the GOP could run a turnip for senatorin Delaware and win.

Posted by: inyourassCranberry at September 16, 2010 12:10 AM (qaOKJ)

199 that was tonight. Linbaugh was today.

curious...on radio you do know that the line up is Limbaugh, then Hannity and then Levin? Which is why he calls himself the clean-up hitter?

I guess you don't. Well now you know and knowing is half the battle!

Posted by: Quilly Mammoth at September 16, 2010 12:11 AM (7rfUg)

200 @160 Mike Castle voted against the surge in 2007. Go ahead, work "hack" and "imbecile" into your response.

Posted by: Creepy Lying Douche at September 16, 2010 12:13 AM (Snu7z)

201 Obama and Biden called Castle last night.....prob told him what a great loss this was for the Democrat Party.

Maybe he will get a job in the Administration.


Posted by: pam at September 16, 2010 12:14 AM (h8R9p)

202 I guess you don't. Well now you know and knowing is half the battle!
Posted by: Quilly Mammoth at September 16, 2010 12:11 AM (7rfUg)
Well Russ can now break out his original name from his first comment on this thread

Posted by: buzzion at September 16, 2010 12:14 AM (oVQFe)

203 The war is over? We lost? What?

Posted by: Lieutenant Zombie-san, circa 1972. at September 16, 2010 12:15 AM (Snu7z)

204 I see squishy people.

Posted by: ingenus at September 16, 2010 12:15 AM (+sBB4)

205 Well now that Castle is free I guess Karl Rove will be preping him for a run at the white house in 2012
you go Karl

Posted by: Countaxula at September 16, 2010 12:16 AM (jBC6p)

206 BTW, Y81Xa [Paul?], are you a substitute teacher by any chance?
Posted by: andycanuck at September 16, 2010 12:02 AM (3phFo)
That aint me.

Posted by: Paul at September 16, 2010 12:16 AM (DsHk0)

207 199 You ain't getting my blood, but I WILL give you a urine sample. Garry Nauls can wipe it off your burned corpse after I get done pissing all over you, you bearded freak.
Posted by: Keith David, in a parka, carrying a flamethrower at September 16, 2010 12:09 AM (/MEFr)
You are forgetting that I have the bigger flamethrower.

Posted by: Kurt Russell who was disguised as Roddy Piper the whole time at September 16, 2010 12:17 AM (lV4Fs)

208 I am with zombie.

Posted by: Saint Jude, the Patron Saint of Lost Causes at September 16, 2010 12:17 AM (Snu7z)

209 "He not only pushed amnesty he also was the one behind the medicare drug bill because he thought he could buy some votes with it."

Well, yeah, that's what he does. He was a master of tactical micropolitics, which wasn't a bad way to go in the post-Clinton, post-Soviet, pre-9/11 world where nothing seemed to matter and the electorate was homo economicus rationally satisfying certain preferences. But he has never understood the necessity of principles in the long run -- at the very least from a party branding perspective.

He had his philosophy had its run in the Bush years, and it wasn't all bad -- we won the war, perhaps due to that drug bill. But it crumbled under its own weight, as it had to. It's sad that Rove doesn't have enough self-understanding to know that we need a long thorough run of tea clean-out of the crappy people a vacuum of principles empowers before his approach can be useful to the party again.

Posted by: someone at September 16, 2010 12:17 AM (DfAwB)

210 @202

I'm done for today. I don't need to say anything to prove what type of character you are. It's all available in these comments.

The biggest problem with people like you is your inability to listen. If you did you'd hear that just about none of Castle's supporters thought he was an ideal candidate from an ideological standpoint. It's hard to listen though with your fingers in your ears and shouting LIBERAL COMMIE SCUM RINOS.

Either way, I hope that O'Donnell wins. She's obviously such a remarkable and proven person that I'm sure the 20 pts she down by 9 weeks from the election will be a minor roadbump.

Posted by: inyouheadZombie at September 16, 2010 12:20 AM (RC7LR)

211 Karl Rove is not perfect. He is human and, as such, he can make mistakes. I was willing to forgive him for his transgression yesterday on Hannity. He truly sideswiped hannity who did not see it coming. However, when he was willing to go on Greta tonight and dig in and behave like the crybaby I now see him as, well then, forget it, yeah, it was by design, it was by design cause he didn't see the American people coming. Rove thought, that since he successfully manipulated them before that he could keep them in their pens again. Like a lot of people here the tsunami is coming in a big way and tsunamis can't be stopped. Irony is, he could have apologized tonight, admitted he was a castle guy and mended the fences. He chose not to. Instead he gave some lame excuse about him being a fox news analyst and having to lay it all out for people. Really? If it feels like conflict of interest, and it looks like conflict of interest then viola, maybe it is conflict of interest. Once you found out on the radio today that he was castle's boy then you expected the apology. When it didn't come tonight and he dug in, people have now written him off. He's not effective working for a candidate and he's not effective as an analyst. He had one successful incident of sitting in for Rush. There won't be another. Why someone would choose for a second night in a row to so damage their own career is beyond my comprehension.

Posted by: curious at September 16, 2010 12:21 AM (p302b)

212 @192. Sort of, though if he actually wanted to give her good advice, he would do somewhat more privately than on a nationally-viewed TV show. You know, pick up a phone and call the ditz.

No, I think we are seeing a bit of scalded dog yelping loudly here. Rove backed the wrong steer in this horse race, and he is a bit butthurt over it. Which is sad. I like Rove, and did not think he would ever be this unprofessional.

Posted by: Saint Jude, the Patron Saint of Lost Causes at September 16, 2010 12:21 AM (Snu7z)

213 I bet these Rinos never heard of Capernicas
thats why thier world is so flat

Posted by: Countaxula at September 16, 2010 12:22 AM (jBC6p)

214 Rove is pissed because Palin is making him look retarded

Posted by: Countaxula at September 16, 2010 12:25 AM (jBC6p)

215 Flamethrower, shmamethrower. You just stay away from my girl Mary, douchebag. And stop handing out free samples of hair gel!

Posted by: Keith David, living in suburbia, wearing a polo shirt, and married to Markie Post at September 16, 2010 12:25 AM (/MEFr)

216 Fuck Rove. He 2 moves behind where the country currently is at. He never was some genius, he was fucking lucky, unfortunately we weren't.

Posted by: Dr. Spank at September 16, 2010 12:27 AM (Y81Xa)

217 BTW O'Donnell has reached $1 million. I guess I shouldn't expect any celebratory posts about that on this sight since the DE Senate seat is of no importance.

Posted by: Repeal at September 16, 2010 12:29 AM (8xwyL)

218 O/T: for his first hour John Batchelor had an amazing interview with Carly Fiorina. It's amazing how on top of the issues this woman is. With every question, and there were no softballs, the panel asked her you realized that this woman knows California and Californians. I just hope Californians are smart enough to realize what a great gift they will have in Carly as their senator.

batchelor puts podcast up on his website and you can listen. Carly was on in the first hour straightaway.

Posted by: curious at September 16, 2010 12:29 AM (p302b)

219 curious, did you tip Ace?

Like I've said before, those who don't like O'Donnell should find their own person to talk up. We have hundreds of races going on to defeat *Democrats*.

Posted by: someone at September 16, 2010 12:31 AM (DfAwB)

220 219 Fuck Rove. He 2 moves behind where the country currently is at. He never was some genius, he was fucking lucky, unfortunately we weren't.
Posted by: Dr. Spank at September 16, 2010 12:27 AM (Y81Xa)
I don't think I'd call him lucky. I think he was a genius at the time. He got a bunch of people motivated to vote for Bush in 2000. But afterwards all those people decided "fuck it we don't need to wait for this guy to tell us who we should vote for, we'll decide on our own." He's the owner of the town stable 2 years after everyone has bought a car. Necessary once, but now no longer needed.

Posted by: buzzion at September 16, 2010 12:32 AM (oVQFe)

221 @213 Oddly enough, I am not one of those who were hurling profanity-laced invective at those who disagreed with my choice of candidates.

I think Mike Castle is a P.O.S. I thought Mike Castle was a P.O.S. before I ever heard of O'Donnell-which is saying a lot, because I only heard of her a week ago. No, I thought Mike Castle was a P.O.S. for his 2007 vote on the surge. Everyone has their personal Rubicons, and that was one of mine.

Well, you know how it is with us imbecilic hacks what can't stomach worthless squishy finger-in-the-wind politicians who give up in the middle of these war things some us just happen to have gone on deployment to fight and shit.

With his glorious 52 lifetime ACU rating and 1.5 million dollars, in a squish-state primary of GOP voters who apparently voted for him twelve previous times, brave Mike Castle got trounced by the crazy cat lady. Why? Because he was being all "rational" and focusing on the general election. Yeah, because it is totally "rational" to just ignore your primary opponent after she just got endorsed by DeMint and Palin.

The guy got waxed. In the primary. Let that sink in a minute. I'll wait......


Is Mike Castle the hill you want to die on? Really?

Posted by: A Balrog of Morgoth at September 16, 2010 12:36 AM (Snu7z)

222 Btw, she's at $850K, not one million dollars.

But, yes, it's impressive. She's basically erased the Coons money advantage *in a single day*.

Posted by: someone at September 16, 2010 12:37 AM (DfAwB)

223 Didn't Rove star in a movie once?

Posted by: ryukyu at September 16, 2010 12:37 AM (MOHSR)

224 Posted by: someone at September 16, 2010 12:31 AM (DfAwB)

I learned a long time ago that ace ignores my emails so I just post the stuff and eventually one of the heavy hitters reads what I posted or listens or watches, put it back in another thread and talks to ace about it.

Doesn't matter to me how it gets noticed, but usually, it's great stuff. I'm a researcher type so I find stuff some others might overlook.

Posted by: curious at September 16, 2010 12:38 AM (p302b)

225 fuckitty fucker fucking fuckheads!!! you're all inbred stupid fucking didldos! why dont you listen to me? i dont just know EVERYTHING, I know FUCK ALL!
I know political strategy! i read the paper!!! listen to me! i'm right!

Posted by: inyourfacezomby at September 16, 2010 12:39 AM (IV/cX)

226 Posted by: curious at September 16, 2010 12:38 AM (p302b)

I think ace gets lots and lots of emails. Maybe try Gabriel, since he is more tuned into the California races? I mean, on one of his threads.

Posted by: A Balrog of Morgoth at September 16, 2010 12:40 AM (Snu7z)

227 With every question...you realized that this woman knows California and Californians.

Then why doesn't she flee? I question her judgment based on this.


Posted by: Purple Avenger at September 16, 2010 12:40 AM (5C0iP)

228 Posted by: Purple Avenger at September 16, 2010 12:40 AM (5C0iP)

I think we women have a fascination with train wrecks.

Posted by: curious at September 16, 2010 12:41 AM (p302b)

229 someone,

Are you the same guy who was running that "stop punching down" thing awhile ago?

Posted by: A Balrog of Morgoth at September 16, 2010 12:41 AM (Snu7z)

230 Is Mike Castle the hill you want to die on? Really?

Yes

Posted by: Pragmatists Anonymous at September 16, 2010 12:42 AM (554T5)

231 233 someone,Are you the same guy who was running that "stop punching down" thing awhile ago?
Posted by: A Balrog of Morgoth at September 16, 2010 12:41 AM (Snu7z)
That's "someguy" Balrog

Posted by: buzzion at September 16, 2010 12:42 AM (oVQFe)

232 @229

Looks like the evening shift at wal-mart just got out.

Posted by: inyouheadZombie at September 16, 2010 12:42 AM (RC7LR)

233 That lying sack of shit Castle was shown on Hannity tonight claiming that Rush had "lied" about him "voting to impeach Bush".
Well, it's a matter of record that he voted for a House resolution to do just that, supporting a resolution offered by uber-leftist Dennis Kucinich.
So he didn't "vote to impeach Bush", he just voted to urge the House to do exactly that, Yet Rove thinks Castle the better candidate, because he holds himself out as a Republican.
A fluffy pillow held over Castle's head for a few minutes might ...sharpen his memory.
As for Rove, he's tipped his hand: he's a memer of the Ruling ClassCountry Club Republican.
I'll never look at him the same way.
Dark Lord, indeed.

Posted by: effinayright at September 16, 2010 12:43 AM (jSs4d)

234 In a few days, everything will blow over and we'll be back to attacking liberals again. OK, maybe a week.

Posted by: Dr. Spank at September 16, 2010 12:43 AM (Y81Xa)

235 PA, After listening to the interview I truly felt that she love her California. It was so nice to hear that, truly. California gets a lot of knocks in this country but it has contributed greatly and she made me realize that you just can't say "screw California, they got themselves into this mess, let them get themselves out".....in one interview, the first I've heard her discuss her state, she made that light bulb go off in my head, that's pretty good I think.

Posted by: curious at September 16, 2010 12:44 AM (p302b)

236 You've got to see this. You may want to be wearing a parachute while you watch, though.

Radio Tower Worker - You Think Your Job Is Tough?

Posted by: rickl at September 16, 2010 12:44 AM (hZFhS)

237 With every question...you realized that this woman knows California and Californians.Then why doesn't she flee? I question her judgment based on this.

LOL

Posted by: someone at September 16, 2010 12:45 AM (DfAwB)

238 Oh, sorry about that, "someone." Because if that other guy had become as calm and rational as you post, I was going to suggest he be the one to talk zombie rageboy off the ledge-since he could speak from personal experience.

Posted by: A Balrog of Morgoth at September 16, 2010 12:45 AM (Snu7z)

239 @snu7z

you sure as hell came into this thread acting like an asshole, and then you doubled down w/lies and maddow/olbermann tactics

but yeah, i was totally wrong in my perception of you


at this point if you're so convinced o'donnell should win you should be advocating for coons to debate her, or digging up dirt on the marxist (and no I don't mean castle supporters) or trying to figure out how to put your money where your mouth is


Posted by: inyouheadZombie at September 16, 2010 12:45 AM (RC7LR)

240 Paste eaters of the world unite!

Posted by: inyourfacezomby at September 16, 2010 12:46 AM (IV/cX)

241 The O'DONNELL money issue.
It's fucking Delaware. Population 700,000.
The population of the entire state is less than that of the AVERAGE CONGRESSIONAL DISTRICT.
How many commercials and flyers are enough????
The money issue is moot, since O'Donnell raised a cool million.
2 million doesn't change minds that are already made up.

Posted by: gus at September 16, 2010 12:47 AM (C02p4)

242 201 that was tonight. Linbaugh was today.curious...on radio you do know that the line up is Limbaugh, then Hannity and then Levin? Which is why he calls himself the clean-up hitter?I guess you don't. Well now you know and knowing is half the battle!+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Is that true across the US? I freakin' doubt it.

Posted by: effinayright at September 16, 2010 12:47 AM (jSs4d)

243 @237

This is the type of miserable unfortunately developed sperm that should be the evidence to convince anti masturbation activists like O'Donnell to reverse her position.

I realize this might be hard to get through with the 2nd grade reading level you have, but give it a shot: http://tiny.cc/k5n37

Posted by: inyouheadZombie at September 16, 2010 12:48 AM (RC7LR)

244 I am an ambulatory dildo.

Posted by: inyourfacezomby at September 16, 2010 12:48 AM (IV/cX)

245 @237, actually that's the one thing on which I will defend Castle. His explanation that he voted to send it to committee so it would go die a quiet death seems to make sense to me, especially given some of the other GOPers who cast the same vote.

However, I did sort of find his rationale for the vote, that "President Bush had not committed any crimes worthy of impeachment" (quoted as I recall it, the actually wording may vary) sort of amusing. It may be just my longstanding opinion that he was a toolbag speaking here, but I swear there was an unspoken "yet, dammit" appended to the end of that sentence.

Posted by: A Balrog of Morgoth at September 16, 2010 12:50 AM (Snu7z)

246 Posted by: inyouheadZombie at September 16, 2010 12:48 AM (RC7LR)

actually I haven't really been paying that close of attention to this except that I've hear O'donnell speak and I liked what she said. And I trust Palin's and Levin's judgment.

Honestly though, I was very greatful that Rachel madcow played those tapes. Christine O'Donnell looked very young so I'm thinking these were tapes from college. What I found useful in those tapes is her thinking process. She had an opinion. she developed the opinion. she supported the opinion and she drew her conclusion. Pretty good for a college kid with guys in the room.

Posted by: curious at September 16, 2010 12:51 AM (p302b)

247 @250

So everybody who can come up with an opinion and support it and conclude somehow impresses you. You must delighted with Christina Romer and Austin Goolsbee then.

And if you trust Levin's judgement after his actions over the past week, I have no respect whatsoever for your judgment.

Posted by: inyouheadZombie at September 16, 2010 12:54 AM (RC7LR)

248 Posted by: inyouheadZombie at September 16, 2010 12:54 AM (RC7LR)
ok

Posted by: curious at September 16, 2010 12:55 AM (p302b)

249 #226
No she didn't.
She raised $840k on the site.
PLUS the $42k from the NRSC
PLUS the $5k from Mitt Romney
She raised $887k in just over 24 hours.
Still, the point is she now matches Coons and even if most think the race is his to lose it will become a draw for the Dems especially since Indiana, Ohio, Kentucky, and Pennsylvania appear unwinnable for them in the Senate races- in fact that belt can go further west with Kirk's millions to Illinois, Missouri, Arkansas, Lousiana- damn thats a lot of states that were all tossup-to lean Dem over 18 months ago...

Posted by: CAC at September 16, 2010 12:55 AM (lV4Fs)

250 The ESTABLISHMENT REPUBLICANS gave us. BOB DOLE and JOHN McCain. How did that work out for us?
The same entrenched power brokers LOVE the POWER they have heretofore had, in controling who got rewarded for SERVICE to the PARTY as Loyal subjects.
Things changed quite dramatically.
Obama got elected, we lost Congress and the Senate,......THEN...WE...OUR CHILDREN and our GRANDCHILDREN got RAPED.
We stopped listening to the PARTY.
(I never did. I have NEVER called myself a Republican)
We are coming. The PARTY can join us or get "put out to pasture'.

Posted by: gus at September 16, 2010 12:56 AM (C02p4)

251 @243 Right. Not agreeing with your rants was using Maddow/Olbermann tactics. Got it.

Who could fail to be persuaded by a dead-ender who calls those who don't agree with him a lying liar and has a persecution complex? Bravo. Just keep fucking that chicken.

Oddly enough, I never claimed be an O'Donnell fanboi, either. Since you are so big on pushing "read what I wrote," you apparently assumed that terms like "ditz" and "crazy cat lady" are expressions on unreserved admiration.

The Chicken. You. Some assembly required.

Posted by: A Balrog of Morgoth at September 16, 2010 12:56 AM (Snu7z)

252 Russ, no offense but YOU BROKE THE BLOG! Ace put non-DE posts up top for a reason...

Posted by: someone at September 16, 2010 12:59 AM (DfAwB)

253 @snu7z

your childish ad homs and not so clever names here have already made clear what type of person you are

your infantile jeffords/chaffee - castle comparison adn then the attempts to try to cherrypick single years to bullshit a point justify me calling you out - unfortunately for you its all easily readable on this thread

@CAC

You're forgetting that population isn't the only thing that determines how far money goes. A good chunk of delaware is in the philly tv market and its expensive to buy chunks of time in it. O'Donnell needs to push hard for a series of debates. She needs to expose Coons for the marxist he is and tie him to the economy/healthcare/obama.

Posted by: inyouheadZombie at September 16, 2010 01:00 AM (RC7LR)

254 @251 If you had ever shown your face around here before this week, you would know that "curious" is just that, curious. In other words, not a longtime conservative activist or even a longtime conservative. Sort of groping her way into this whole "conservative" thing. And, one of the most inoffensive posters here. In other words, just the sort of voter you pragmatists should be reaching out to-if you weren't being such an arrogant toolbag. Well-played, Mr. Rational Pragmatist. Chalk up another win for Team Castle.

P.S. curious, I am sorry if I mischaracterized your views-that is just my general impression of you from your posts and I sort of vaguely recall you mentioning something along those lines awhile back.

Posted by: A Balrog of Morgoth at September 16, 2010 01:03 AM (Snu7z)

255 Just one more thought before I hit the hay for the morning:

“You go through the gate. If the gate’s closed, you go over the fence. If the fence is too high, we’ll pole vault in. If that doesn’t work, we’ll parachute in. But we’re going to get Democrats and RINOS out of power healthcare reform passed for all the American people.”

Posted by: Truman North at September 16, 2010 01:04 AM (HLGCA)

256 @257 Single years in which he got a freakin 20 and a 28. You're defending that, really?

Childish ad-homs, huh. Good to see you've got such a firm grasp on the whole self-awareness thing, noob.

Posted by: A Balrog of Morgoth at September 16, 2010 01:06 AM (Snu7z)

257 Zombie post 257. Was your post referring to ME, when you mentioned population and Philly???
Maybe not. But I posted about how small Delaware is. Yes, Philly and it's TV costs makes political ads expensive.
MONEY is not the biggest issue here Vis a vis O'Donnell.
The PUBLIC is paying attention. Money is secondary now. Things have changed big time.

Posted by: gus at September 16, 2010 01:06 AM (C02p4)

258 Batchelor just did a brilliant summation. He pointed out that it's important to stop worrying about the Senate and to concentrate on winning the house He is right, this is taking all the energy out of the room.

Also, oddly enough, Babs released an attack ad across CA while Carly was being interviewed by Batchelor. He mentioned it and asked Carly about it and she basically said that the way the race is going it was just a matter of time before it got nasty.

In his summation Batchelor points out the oddity of Babs attacking Carly as a "greedy capitalist". It's too funny, it shows very poor judgment and understanding on babs' part. With the brouhaha over the HP ceo mark hurd, a lot of folks, particularly in CA, are paying close attention to hp now and it is coming out how incredibly effective Carly was as HP Ceo, even though, when she originally left, this was not thought to be the case. Apparently, she put a lot of wheels in motion that are paying off today and it seems that Mr. Hurd had quite the time trying to run HP when Carly made it look easy.

I'm sure a lot of Californians pay attention to tech. Wonder if this attack ad will go over like a lead balloon?

Posted by: curious at September 16, 2010 01:07 AM (p302b)

259 Castle has taken calls from Obama and Biden but hasn't yet called to congratulate O'Donnell. Odd.

Posted by: Dr. Spank at September 16, 2010 01:07 AM (Y81Xa)

260 If she trusts Mark Levin after this fiasco then she deserves whatever she gets.

This is a guy who emailed this in response to a question from John McCormack:
"Lol. I think you're an ass. You can quote me."He called ad hom'd Patterico and hurled expletives at him and then dismissed him as a loser with a keyboard

He put up a diatribe so factually shabby aimed towards the powerline guys that
the resulting takedown was embarassing.

But please tell us again how 28=52 and how one year supercedes a sample size of 18 years.

Posted by: inyouheadZombie at September 16, 2010 01:09 AM (RC7LR)

261 @263 Why would he call that hack imbecile? The Philly TV market. 52 lifetime ACU rating. Masturbation. Balrog called me names. Waaaaaaagghhhh

Posted by: zombie Rageboy at September 16, 2010 01:10 AM (Snu7z)

262 247 @237This is the type of miserable unfortunately developed sperm that should be the evidence to convince anti masturbation activists like O'Donnell to reverse her position. I realize this might be hard to get through with the 2nd grade reading level you have, but give it a shot: http://tiny.cc/k5n37
Posted by: inyouheadZombie
================================
You drooling fuckwit: I SAID it was not a vote to impeach Bush. I said...what I said. See if you can get through that post without tiring out your lips, which I am sure spend their most of time enjoying nice Warm Slurpys.
Now, if someone with an IQ above the sublimation point of CO2 ( not inyouheadZombie, of course) would like to explain to me WHY Castle was one of only 24 GOP house members who voted "yes" on Kucinich's resolution, and how a NO vote on his part would have changed anything) I'd love to hear it.

Posted by: effinayright at September 16, 2010 01:10 AM (jSs4d)

263 Posted by: A Balrog of Morgoth at September 16, 2010 01:03 AM (Snu7z)

You are very gracious, thank you for your kind words. Yep, I'm an unabashed independent. And you are right, I'm trying to figure things out. I am surrounded by lib/dems my friends cause I live in the bluest of blue states so I come here to hear the other side cause I hear their side every day in every way.

Posted by: curious at September 16, 2010 01:12 AM (p302b)

264 You all might want to check out Big Government right now. Nice lobbyist scandal on audio for the dems!

Posted by: Dan at September 16, 2010 01:13 AM (1jzSs)

265 @260

Wow, still bringing out the disingenuous ACU attack. What was his most recent ACU rating? Why won't you mention it? His ACU lifetime rating is averaged right. What does that mean for the rest of the years on avearge in terms of his ACU rating? I know these might be difficult questions for you but think hard. And remember that you're still doubling down on a argument with you've already lost vis a vis Jeffords/Chaffee

@261

If you're saying money isn't hte most crucial thing then I'd probably agree with you. It's important to help define her image, but the best way to do that is hit hte local papers and news stations and start talking to the people of Delaware about the miserable job the dems have done and how extreme Coons is an how he's seeking to promulgate the same failed policies of this administration.

Posted by: inyouheadZombie at September 16, 2010 01:13 AM (RC7LR)

266 Curious. Ma'am Boxer has no arrows left in her quiver. Not that she ever did.
"Greedy Capitalist" on flies in very selected Markets OR MARXets.
I'm not a Carly Fiorina fan, but Carly EARNED HER WEALTH and has paid and paid and paid and paid taxes for years.
My REJOINDED to Boxer, would be that those who have PAID MILLIONS in taxes have funded the FAILED PROGRAMS that BOXER et al have created.
Who will support those programs under SOCIALISM???
h/t MARGARET THATCHER

Posted by: gus at September 16, 2010 01:13 AM (C02p4)

267 Most Castle-backers aren't elitists trying to steal anybody's precious bodily fluids. They simply saw no value in what they saw as pissing away a winnable seat.

Nobody's breaking away to form third parties or any crap like that. Many hope she can pull it off, but want to retain the distance should the commie mutant pollsters like Rasmussen be right about her actual chances in the general. I suck my husband's cock. I refuse to suck yours. Doesn't make me a RINO.

Posted by: Sekhmet at September 16, 2010 01:13 AM (5gZ0w)

268 181 journolist, how about we leave it at this: You're seeing some bandwagon jumping from some of the CO'D opponents now that she's won, but you have no reason to doubt my sincerity based on my track record or the content of this post. Is that a goodcompromise? It works for me if it works for you.
Posted by: Russ from Winterset at September 16, 2010 12:01 AM (/MEFr)
Russ - you and the Ace gang are good peeps. And we're cool. Just trying to decompress . . . being surrounded byall these libs on the West Coast. I'll give you an example . . . I was at aparty on Sunday in the heart of Hollywierd in the perimeter of Melrose, La Cienega and Sunset Strip . . . andwasseated next to a former Alan Cranston aide and current Barbara Boxer strategist and wanted to scream . . . then while the ladies were jaber jawing the only sane person left to talk sports . .. was a character named, Steve . . . well Steve couldn't partakein any drink because he and his smokin hot girlfriend were in the midst of a "cleanse." And then I got enlisted to move a fricking fire pit and 2 pool cabanas because Steve the interior decorator just didn't like the ambiance. And the coup de gracie of it all . . . we were eating off recyclable bamboo plates.
I miss the old days when I could stroll in bum some smokes, pour a Jack and Coke and have fun without being lectured by the left on everything from diet, to yoga, to kaballah to smoking, to recycling.
Ahh, now I feel better.




Posted by: journolist at September 16, 2010 01:14 AM (O/NP5)

269 The more I read Zombie's bullshit, the happier I am that Castle lost. He was against the surge, that's a deal breaker for me.

Posted by: Dr. Spank at September 16, 2010 01:15 AM (Y81Xa)

270 @267 Well, I trust you will not let the latest fly-by-night toolbag turn you off from continuing to listen to the other side.


Posted by: A Balrog of Morgoth at September 16, 2010 01:15 AM (Snu7z)

271 "I suck my husband's cock. I refuse to suck yours.
Doesn't make me a RINO."


Posted by: Sekhmet at September 16, 2010 01:13 AM (5gZ0w)Be that as it may, there is obviously something more important to that whiny little sissyboy Rove than advancing freedom, tradition, and the conservative agenda. Those are things that some of us actually are more worried about than party politics.

Posted by: Gryph at September 16, 2010 01:15 AM (J8eZP)

272 @266

Amazing. The fucker got the link, didn't read it, and then asks the specific question that was answered in it right after.

Right after the holier than though snu7z again posts another petulant bitch post which he apparently uses to supplement his posts of pathetic logic.

Posted by: inyouheadZombie at September 16, 2010 01:16 AM (RC7LR)

273 @271 The only third party here is Zombie Rageboy.

Posted by: A Balrog of Morgoth at September 16, 2010 01:17 AM (Snu7z)

274 @273

Yep, logic hurts when all you want is to give yourself into that comforting anger huh?

Posted by: inyouheadZombie at September 16, 2010 01:18 AM (RC7LR)

275 @272
Posted by: journolist at September 16, 2010 01:14 AM (O/NP5)

You know, there are still some of us concerned about things like freedom. A few of us even care about freedom more than we care about which party takes over the senate in 2011.

Posted by: Gryph at September 16, 2010 01:18 AM (J8eZP)

276 Zombie, I am not saying that MONEY is NOT important. I am saying that EVERYONE in Delaware has been reached. At some point spending more on ADS is not only useless, but it's a negative.
My point is/was. Money and O'Donnell having PLENTY or ENOUGH, has become less of a factor.
I live in Wisconsin. Feingold is a useless fuck. He has TONS of CASH because of his INCUMBANCY.
In a state of 5.6 million anda "diverse" population. Cities, towns, farms etc.
Money becomes a far bigger deal.

Posted by: gus at September 16, 2010 01:18 AM (C02p4)

277 Posted by: inyouheadZombie at September 16, 2010 01:09 AM (RC7LR)

I try not to become personal. As I read your posts I'm thinking this is a guy who probably claims he doesn't understand women. I say that cause you have missed what is going on in this country. With each passing day things are changing. The dems want to inflict change despite poll after poll with the American people saying "well yeah, we wanted change, the change you promised, not the change you decided we should get cause you know better" and the republicans are stuck in "go along to get along, kumbya mode. They are thinking "well, if people aren't happy with the dems, then it's our turn next so we can just sit here and watch the people elect us". This was the crucial tactical error made by both coakley and castle. somewhere along the line the "r and the d" became unimportant but the r's and d's are somehow missing this, not all of them, heard demint speak tonight and was highly impressed. Love paul ryan and thaddeus mccotter and that woman with a mess of kids from minn. but a lot of them are in mccainiac mode. I heard Steele today. I think he's got it but when you guys realize he is traveling around the country in a bus, man, that will be another argument about why he should go and yet, when i heard he was on a bus I thought that was absolutely perfect.


Posted by: curious at September 16, 2010 01:20 AM (p302b)

278 Spank. Have you ever seen Castle speak or take questions??
He is an arrogant RINO prick. He is IN NO WAY a CONSERVATIVE.
I am as Conservative as it gets. I have NEVER called myself a REPUBLICAN.
Why? Because of HACKS like CASTLE who believe that they are ROYALTY.

Posted by: gus at September 16, 2010 01:20 AM (C02p4)

279 It’s continuing to sound off against O’Donnell, refusing to endorse her or even help her during the seven weeks that stand between the primary and the general election.
Yuh-huh. Hmm.
But... the DE GOP? TOTAL SHOCKER, Scozzafavas. Just like NY.
And I expected it. Saw that a mile away.
And for the STATE Republican party to behave this way is preposterous, disgraceful, unacceptable, and... precedented andtotally not suprising.
They really show their true colors after the fact. And it totally validates tossing Castle's ass in the trash bin even if Coons wins by triple digits, 103% to -4%.
Castle is lucky it didn't involve tar and feathers.
These people make Harry Reid look like a decent guy.

Posted by: Entropy at September 16, 2010 01:21 AM (eL+YD)

280 @gus

I can buy that.

The best thing O'Donnell can do right now is to go on a media offensive. The MSM is obviously going to be hostile and try to paint her as Angle part two. She needs to be forceful, intelligent and seek out outlets that won't be completely hostile.

The nice thing is that she does have tons of material to work with. Rightly or wrongly, she has the outsider narrative working (something which will only get better with Harry Reid calling Coons his 'pet'). She needs to connect Coons w/the marxist thing, with Reid and other unpopular dems. And she needs to hold her own in debates. Coons isn't an idiot, but he'll have a hard time pitching what is a very progressive agenda right now.

Posted by: inyouheadZombie at September 16, 2010 01:22 AM (RC7LR)

281 Delaware? Some people here are still bitching and moaning about their guy losing? I really don't understand that. Russ posts about the need to, in his words "clarify" the election process, and it turns into another fuckfest of bitchin..... (shakes head) people people

Posted by: crotch grabbin moron at September 16, 2010 01:24 AM (+zKao)

282 that woman with a mess of kids from minn
Michelle Bachmann?

Posted by: Entropy at September 16, 2010 01:24 AM (eL+YD)

283 I don't have time to hang out with a bunch of freakin' Morons, but I did want to stop by and engage in some painful elimination.

I want to take a moment to thank Ace, rdbrewer, DrewM, and even War on the fucking Undead Fucking Loser states for their commitment to making folks think about all of this business regarding strategy, how to win, and why.

Though many furballs were coughed up, and several steamers were floated into the valu-rite punchbowl, I'd say the exercise was worthy of the Moron hordes. It shows why nobody should ever mess with people who are unpredictably stupid, and who might be found arguing politics and poon online, during work hours. The Dems are right to fear us:
we're even a danger to ourselves.

And I mean that in the good way.

Brewer and I have an understanding: next time I'll do as I'm told. I just hope it doesn't involve a tutu and jello.

The rest of you should follow suit. If nothing else, it will confuse the leftists, and make them grow even lazier than they are now. At any rate, for them, soon it will all be over.

So thanks, again, guys. Until we clash mo 'gin.

Posted by: K~Bob at September 16, 2010 01:24 AM (9b6FB)

284 It's actually sad now. This guy seems to think he can avenge Castle's
"unjust" defeat by "winning" some retarded flamewars in a late-night
comments section.



A loss is the time for figuring out why you lost. Fred Barnes seems to have picked up on that.

Posted by: someone at September 16, 2010 01:25 AM (DfAwB)

285 281 Curious. Nice post. I know Paul Ryan and he is a good man. He is not a grandstander. He means what he says. Steele is a good man, but not a good RNC chief.
The people are awake. Patriotic, Old Fashioned every day Republican leaning Americans are aghast at what Obama TRULY IS. The same Americans have stood on the sideline most of their lives. They see AMERICA as we know it and love it, being taken away, by a bunch of LIBTARDS and in Obama's case, and ANGRY DYSFUNCTIONAL, IDEOLOGICAL, NON-PATRIOTIC................MARXIST.
The MAMA BEAR has awoken and viscerally is responding to THREATS to her CUBS futures.
I understand what is going on completely. I used to be a DEMOCRAT.

Posted by: gus at September 16, 2010 01:26 AM (C02p4)

286 >>A loss is the time for figuring out why you lost. Fred Barnes seems to have picked up on that.


Yeah, I read that piece.

Posted by: Dr. Spank at September 16, 2010 01:26 AM (Y81Xa)

287 I for one, am happy we have all this Castle/O'Donnell unpleasantness behind us.
Wait, wha...?

Posted by: Burn the Witch at September 16, 2010 01:26 AM (fLHQe)

288 @curious

Please spare me the 'understand women thing'. Unfortunately you're in the middle of a relatively heated debate over the merits of trade offs of political strategy vs ideology. I am completely aware of the situation this country is in, the disatisfaction with the Obama administration, the democratic congress and with courts that have increasingly began to decide legislative issues by decree. That doesn't mean that people who are purportedly trying to learn who are important voices shouldn't be told who aren't worth reading. Mark Levin is not worth listening too. You just need to look at his responses to other conservatives who get it who simply dared to disagree with him to see why. The lack of honesty in his responses is the first thing that should tip you off. There are plenty of worthwhile conservatives to read - citing Mark Levin suggests that you unfortunately haven't found them.

Posted by: inyouheadZombie at September 16, 2010 01:27 AM (RC7LR)

289 @276 I am going to try to be patient with you.

1. You neglect to mention that I was the one who chimed in to call the Castle-voted-for-impeachment thing bullshit. Surely an innocent oversight on your part.

2. I never denied he had a 52 ACU average. I referred to it myself in several posts. What I did not do was try to wish away those years when he got ratings in the 20s. I note that you also avoid responding to those who note that Mike Castle voted against the surge in 2007 which, and I am sorry if it hurts your tender feelings, makes him just another Jeffords/Chaffee-a soft cocksucker who cannot be counted on when there is a tough vote. I don't care if he had Jim DeMint's ACU rating. He voted against the surge, therefore he is a worthless toolbag.

3. Mike Castle lost. In a primary. To a ditz. If the failed primary campaign of a mendacious douche is the hill you want to die on here, be my guest.


Posted by: A Balrog of Morgoth at September 16, 2010 01:27 AM (Snu7z)

290 @ 285


"Delaware? Some people here are still bitching and moaning about their
guy losing? I really don't understand that. Russ posts about the need
to, in his words "clarify" the election process, and it turns into
another fuckfest of bitchin..... (shakes head) people people"

Posted by: crotch grabbin moron at September 16, 2010 01:24 AM (+zKao)

It's the moron (tm) way.

Posted by: Gryph at September 16, 2010 01:27 AM (J8eZP)

291 Zombies aren'y in your heads, that why they crve brains, this troll makes palin steele, seem literate by comparison. actually more of an Uruk Hai ORC

Posted by: dr. lizardo at September 16, 2010 01:27 AM (bz+co)

292 Posted by: Gryph at September 16, 2010 01:18 AM (J8eZP)
< Gryph . . . since you're shilling your wares . . . there's a nice articleover at the Daily Caller titled, 'the huffington post and the hollywood left'. I kinda like it.

Posted by: journolist at September 16, 2010 01:27 AM (O/NP5)

293 Well, at least this zombie guy ain't packing much. He sure does try to push it in hard.

Posted by: The Chicken at September 16, 2010 01:29 AM (Snu7z)

294 @296

I hope you don't think I'm just here to shill my wares. I've been a man of principle for a lot longer than I've been an AOSHQ moron. Besides, I didn't really get directly involved with politics until after the 2008 elections. The wares shilling is bonus.

Posted by: Gryph at September 16, 2010 01:30 AM (J8eZP)

295 someone: "I can't believe people still buy the super-genius stuff after he signed off on pushing amnesty. *Twice*."

'Zactly.

Kanye West: Genius
Wile E. Coyote: Super-genius
Karl Rove: Not a Genius (in fact, now reduced to Magnificent Mere Bastard)

Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at September 16, 2010 01:30 AM (swuwV)

296 BANZAI!

Posted by: Zombie RageBoy, Kamikaze Pragmatist at September 16, 2010 01:33 AM (Snu7z)

297 If you had ever shown your face around here before this week, you would know that "curious" is just that, curious
Er... hasn't she been here some time? Pretty sure she has... Dunno how she could still be curious...
At any rate I figgured you a 'moron'. I think I told you "fuck off RINOCOPTER" the other day but I thought it would be fairly obvious it was a joke.
But apparently I just terrified some poor housewife who's only been here 2 days and now you probably hate the internet.
Which kind of makes it even funnier, in a very mean way. Which is the funniest of ways when it's not you.

Posted by: Entropy at September 16, 2010 01:34 AM (eL+YD)

298 Thanks Zombie. We are in uncharted territory. Miss O'Donnell needs to upgrade. She is now in the big leagues. She got there by saying what the newly awakend normal populace wanted to hear. I'm trying not to use buzz words or terms that were forwarded by the MFM.
O'Donnell beat Castle. We can debate as Rove is doing, whether she is nice, awful or Satan. She won. Let's move forward.
I have advised campaigns. I would advise HER to get a couple of Conservative young guns to ORGANIZE. Not in the Obama-Acorn sense, but in the HOLLYWOOD image sense.
Look like this.(clotheshair) Say only those things that are your BEST issues. Do not deviate, Do NOT believe that you can charm the public. The MEDIA wants you dead. Smile and answer with BULLET POINTS.
At every oppurtunity compare what YOUR VALUES are to those that have RAPED this country and FORCED SOCIALISM upon us.
LIBERTY. Use that word. REGULATION chokes the JOB MARKET.
TAXES slow economy and benefit whom? For what purpose.

Posted by: gus at September 16, 2010 01:34 AM (C02p4)

299 298 @296I hope you don't think I'm just here to shill my wares. I've been a man of principle for a lot longer than I've been an AOSHQ moron. Besides, I didn't really get directly involved with politics until after the 2008 elections. The wares shilling is bonus.
Posted by: Gryph at September 16, 2010 01:30 AM (J8eZP)
Gryph . . . no malice intended. And no, I don't think you are here just shilling.

Posted by: journolist at September 16, 2010 01:34 AM (O/NP5)

300 @293

1. I did miss it. Good for you for your good faith honesty in that moment

2. I'll assume that it was an honest mistake on your part that I actually did directly respond to your 'surge' point. I specifically said that one of the central characteristics of Castle supporters was that they weren't necessarily fans of his ideology. A vote like the one on teh surge is case in point. It's a miserable vote - the vote of a liberal defeatist - something that even Obama tries to hide today. And with a moderate like Castle those types of votes will be inevitable. The entire question has been whether its better to have a highly likely chance of having somebody who despite his/her awful votes, will also provide a fair number of good votes from an unexpected source versus a much smaller shot at a more doctrinaire conservative. Before the shrieks of RINO in the first discussion I was in you'll see that there was some level of civility.

3. I'm done defending Castle. I'm tired of hearing I and other former supporters are RINOS or that there is no room for moderates in the republican party. Those people (pam, pirate, etc) are still here and making these ridiculous claims. I strongly support conservative ideals. But I want them to succeed legislatively, not just in some fantasy land of devotion.

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304 Posted by: A Balrog of Morgoth at September 16, 2010 01:27 AM (Snu7z)

Excuse me, ah excuse me.....If O'Donnell beat the crowned GOP nominee, despite him using every lib/dem trick in the book, then I think she has earned the right not to be called a "ditz" just as Palin should not be called "stupid".

And one thing that Rove did bring out tonight with Greta was that O'Donnell somehow managed to get three times as many Delawareans as in the past out to vote in a primary. That's an accomplishment. I know the blond bimbo on o'really says the dems are thrilled with O'Donnell's win cause now they have their seat back. But she was also the woman who wholly mis characterized what's going on with jobs and the economy. Unfortunately those democratic talking points don't go in depth so if you ahve no real intellect you don't get them across as well as you possibly could. But hey, with so many abandoning the dems, it's truly slim pickens.

Posted by: curious at September 16, 2010 01:36 AM (p302b)

305 @Snu7z

Your continuing insistince at bieng a petulant bitch only cements the idiocy that would convince a person to think their chaffee/jeffords vs castle comparison was legitimate.

Posted by: inyouheadZombie at September 16, 2010 01:36 AM (RC7LR)

306 303
298 @296

Posted by: journolist at September 16, 2010 01:34 AM (O/NP5)


No malice taken. Hence the sly knowing wink.

Posted by: Gryph at September 16, 2010 01:37 AM (J8eZP)

307 Rove? I have no problem calling him a Republican as opposed to a RINO. He's a party man. He'll back the incumbent. He'll especially back an incumbent he's counted on in the past. Safely Republican and a turf protector/strategist.

What he is not is a Conservative. This is not news. Or it's news just like it's news that McCain is ready to move Left after his brief pose as a non-statist.

Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at September 16, 2010 01:37 AM (swuwV)

308 Mike Castle's semen tastes surprisingly refreshing!

Posted by: intheasszombie at September 16, 2010 01:38 AM (IV/cX)

309 @curious

That's the funny thing. O'Donnell needs to stop talking about Rove and let him and the NRSC dominate her conversation. Nobody knows who Chris Coons is outside of New Castle.

Ask him about whether he supports raising taxes like the dems are planning.
Whether he'd repeal the reporting standards on small businesses for 600 transactions that treatens to further cripple the economy.
Whether he'd continue to bail out unions and failing companies and banks.

We already know the answers to these, but the people of Delaware probalby don't.

Posted by: inyouheadZombie at September 16, 2010 01:39 AM (RC7LR)

310 308

"I know the blond bimbo on o'really says the dems are thrilled with
O'Donnell's win cause now they have their seat back. But she was also
the woman who wholly mis characterized what's going on with jobs and the
economy."

Posted by: curious at September 16, 2010 01:36 AM (p302b)


Mischaracterizing the economy is standard operating procedures for dems. I have to look away from the TV screen every time I see a "Democratic strategist" on the screen so all the spinning doesn't make me nauseous. And besides, the dems don't have that seat back yet.

Posted by: Gryph at September 16, 2010 01:40 AM (J8eZP)

311 "I know the blond bimbo on o'really says"



You know who else talked about O'D on O'R? Yup.



Not much content but yes, Bill got the NH primary totally wrong.

Posted by: someone at September 16, 2010 01:41 AM (DfAwB)

312 40ccs of self-awareness, stat!

Posted by: someone at September 16, 2010 01:42 AM (DfAwB)

313 Curious. Here in Wisconsin, we had a spirited GOP Governor primary.Former Gop Rep NeumannVs. Milwaukee County Exec Walker.Both Conservative. Walker bucking the LIBTRASH URBAN MESS of Milwaukee and the suburbs and SUBMITTING no TAX INCREASE budgets 8 years in a row.Polls and scuttelbutt had the race closed on election day.
Walker CRUSHED Neumann like a bug. Basically 60=40.
The Republican Primary turnout was over 600,000.
The largest GOP primary turnout had previously been 430,000.
People are awake and they RECOGNIZE the CONSERVATIVE vs those RINO's who claim to be. In our case. Neumann was not a bad choice. Walker was better and PEOPLE RECOGNIZED it.
Curious. The tide has turned. November is going to SURPRISE a lot of people. O'Donnell can CERTAINLY win.

Posted by: gus at September 16, 2010 01:42 AM (C02p4)

314 Dr. Frank, not odd at all.....Castle is a typical lying lib, and as usual cares more about Democrats than Republicans.

Especially Obama, no doubt he will endorse him, thank god he will not be around to damage Republicans anymore.

Posted by: pam at September 16, 2010 01:45 AM (h8R9p)

315 My scrotum is wrinkled.

Posted by: intheasszombie at September 16, 2010 01:47 AM (IV/cX)

316 curious@221 RE Carly Fiorina,

Didn't catch it but Fiorina is a good campaigner. I heard her in the primaries and she was the most polished, effective communicator of the bunch. Really, no contest, and I was more ideologically aligned with her competition. I think that for CA, she'd be a great get. I had heard all sorts of bad about her performance-wise, but she seemed pretty on point with a superb grasp of the issues when I caught her.

Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at September 16, 2010 01:49 AM (swuwV)

317 Posted by: inyouheadZombie at September 16, 2010 01:39 AM (RC7LR)

you know one of the worst things i've ever seen is Chuckie S. getting 77% of the vote in his last run. 77%. It was shocking and sickening all at the same time. It created the person we've seen in the last couple of years. The reason why that happened rests with the fact that not only does he wield a lot of power but he knows when to suddenly slink out of the room. Notice he's been missing for over a month now. No one who is anyone wants to challenge chuckie. NYer's are busy, the see his name on the ballot, they pull the lever.

I give Christine O'Donnell a lot of kudos. She decided to challenge a Chuckie of her state. Knowing this I think the people of Delaware may not have the kind of reaction that you expect.

Posted by: curious at September 16, 2010 01:49 AM (p302b)

318 Pam.Castle is used to being a big shot. He was twice Governor and is the ONLY Congressman in Delaware. He is a silver haired/older than middle aged POLITICAL HACK and FOSSIL.
His campaign was vicious and no-holds-barred.
He was THOUGHT to be a RELIABLE vote should his PARTY gain power.
Why wasn't he a reliable VOTE NOW?
Because he has no PRINCIPLES. His lack of MAGNOMINITY in his LOSS to O'Donnell, exposes his REAL CHARACTER. Or lack thereof.

Posted by: gus at September 16, 2010 01:49 AM (C02p4)

319 @curious, Yeah, well I am sort of going off of ace and company re:problems with her background. I heard her on Hannity today, and I have to admit, she sounded fairly rational and mostly just kept trying to bring the discussion back to creating jobs in Delaware by relying on traditionally conservative methods instead of government intervention. Heck, even Hannity was pretty much on the ball today-a lot better than he was the last few times I listened, which were a while ago.

@crazedzombie, I never called you a RINO, Rageboy. I called you a dead-ender, a toolbag, and someone who does not play well with others. I am sorry I wounded your tender sensibilities. I am sorry that you are butthurt over Castle's loss and that some of the morons called you a RINO. I've been there. I got over it. You can too.

Posted by: A Balrog of Morgoth at September 16, 2010 01:50 AM (Snu7z)

320 There is a belt of states that are shifting into competitive-truly competitive mode now. Wisconsin up and down the ticket, Illinois up and down the ticket, Pennsylvania up and down the ticket, virtually ALL of the states immediately inbetween and due south of these.
No one thought that of these states in 2006 or 2008.
Likewise did anyone here REALLY think, esp after Rino Ahnold fucking things up, that California would be purple in its Senate, Gov, and 4 house races?
The potential destruction "ground zero" though cuts a path stretching from Arkansas straight north to Iowa,then over to Wisconsin, Illinois, and Kentucky- east through Michigan, Indiana, Ohio, West Virginia, Pennsylvania, New York and up into New England. There are 50 potential seats in the House here, numerous governors and senate races all up for reddening.

Posted by: CAC at September 16, 2010 01:50 AM (lV4Fs)

321 Mike Castle GOT RETIRED.
He thought he was bullet proof.
Sorry RINO's.
We are coming.Get used to it.

Posted by: gus at September 16, 2010 01:52 AM (C02p4)

322 @Snu7z

It's alright. Likewise, I'm sorry you're incapable of putting together a logical argument.

Posted by: inyouheadZombie at September 16, 2010 01:53 AM (RC7LR)

323 @CAC

All of the little money I have is going to house races. Somebody suggested this earlier but it would be a nice feature for ACE to put up - links to the opponents of endangered democrats, particularly those who aren't already in big time races (so not your shea porters, periellos, graysons, etc) and who did vote for things like HCR and the bailout (the gerry connolly, herseth sandlins and others of the world).

Posted by: inyouheadZombie at September 16, 2010 01:55 AM (RC7LR)

324 CAC, States like mine.....WISCONSIN..... have had a voting populace that tended to be LIBTARD, because of SELF INTEREST.
What has happened, is that States like Wisconsin have gone WAY TO FAR.
Just like Obama. The REGULAR FOLKS said ENOUGH!!!

Posted by: gus at September 16, 2010 01:55 AM (C02p4)

325 Gus, I have never encountered a reliable Rino.

Posted by: pam at September 16, 2010 02:00 AM (h8R9p)

326 Still fighting?

Must be them beerserker pills take a while to flush.

Posted by: K~Bob at September 16, 2010 02:00 AM (9b6FB)

327 330
Gus, I have never encountered a reliable Rino.


Posted by: pam at September 16, 2010 02:00 AM (h8R9p)
Not even reliable at being RINOs, are they?

Posted by: K~Bob at September 16, 2010 02:01 AM (9b6FB)

328 *Nobody knows who Chris Coons is outside of New Castle. *

Oh. my. god. I'm presuming that was sarcasm.

Posted by: Sarcasm Ombudsman & RINO Candyass at September 16, 2010 02:02 AM (oj52M)

329 It's so funny to watch. The regular media, hannity et al, plus the print media tried to make you blog people go away. when they couldn't make you go away, they tried to marginalize you. When they couldn't marginalize you well now they are on full attack mode.

Instead of fighting with guys like Levin, if I were the blogsphere I'd be cheering. By showing their fear of the blogsphere (i've heard that Levin said something about boxer shorts and a basement) they've wholly legitimized the blogsphere as a legitimate news source. What is most frightening to them is that they can't possibly, no matter what they do, be as "in real time" as the internet. With one tweet, they are irrelevant. so really congratulations and celebration are in order. Not animosity and fighting. If the blogsphere keeps doing what it is doing then those guys are going to have to really up their game to be relevant. They are in danger of being the time magazine of the media, and they know it. It was evidenced by the comment my friend said o'really made about not tweeting. Ok, o'really, you don't have to tweet but you better have someone monitoring twitter or you're going to be left behind.

Both sides of the O'Donnell/Castle debate make valid points. Those of us who are observing what is happening have faith in the people of Delaware. Maybe we don't think that the only way to win a political race is through "strategery" and manipulation. Maybe we think a person can look you in the eye and say what they mean and mean what they say and go to DC and do the right thing by you. Maybe what is in a person's heart, what forms their character and integrity, what they truly believe is somehow more important than their ability to horse trade and court lobbyists and subtly blackmail another legislator.

Posted by: curious at September 16, 2010 02:06 AM (p302b)

330 Pam, touche. If a candidate says he is X and votes Y.
Never trust him/her again.
I've said this here a lot of times. I have NEVER called myself a REPUBLICAN. Never.
Once upon a time, I did call myself a Democrat.
I am a CONSERATIVE. Pam, for ME and for MILLIONS OF OTHERS, the choice HAD BEEN. DEM or REP. And we chose REP. We have an option now.

Posted by: gus at September 16, 2010 02:06 AM (C02p4)

331 325
Yeah, thanks UGG.
Bitch.
Do you give happy ending?

Posted by: Meremortal at September 16, 2010 02:08 AM (7FgWm)

332 334 Curious.
They have LOST CONTROL. It is personal, visceral, financial, and emotional.
WE ARE IN CHARGE RIGHT NOW.
That scares the Status quo.

Posted by: gus at September 16, 2010 02:08 AM (C02p4)

333 Btw Curious. Think about this process.
You disagree with the CLEVELAND LIBTARD PLAIN DEALER'S EDITORIAL POLICY.
Also known as LIBTARD bias in NEWS and what isn't NEWS.
You write a LETTER to the EDITOR.
Does it get printed????
NEVER
Blogs allow exchanges, and UGG BOOTS!!

Posted by: gus at September 16, 2010 02:11 AM (C02p4)

334 Posted by: gus at September 16, 2010 02:11 AM (C02p4)

your are right, they allow exchange. My gramps used to bring me with him sometimes to the barber shop on Saturday. He used to say that the barber shop was "democracy in action". Oh there was a lot of discussion and shouting and bravado and fun. Yep the haircut always took longer than it should have and my gramps always got yelled at for keeping me there with him too long but that was an exchange of ideas missing from our busy lives these days. Mostly because it is no longer PC to exchange ideas, we self censor, and that is not good.

Posted by: curious at September 16, 2010 02:15 AM (p302b)

335 nite all

Posted by: curious at September 16, 2010 02:17 AM (p302b)

336 Yes, I hate this job, it's the worst job in the world, it's hell. (And I hate you too, little miss perfect French model.)

Posted by: Michellin Belle at September 16, 2010 02:19 AM (7FgWm)

337 All I know is this feud will not be officially put to bed until T. Coddington Van Voorhees VII weighs in. Everyone thinks they know what Buckley would have done but what about dear old Coddy?

Posted by: Rocks at September 16, 2010 02:19 AM (ivAmM)

338 Is it really less than 50 days until the mid-term elections? Good grief, I better get moving! There is much to be done.

Posted by: Mr. Magoo at September 16, 2010 02:26 AM (7FgWm)

339 #341....came back after saying nite to provide the link
that matt drudge is burning the midnight oil with this one.

Posted by: curious at September 16, 2010 02:27 AM (p302b)

340 Very good dispassionate analysis why Rove (among others) has so flipped out.

I'm pretty sure that the Castle dead-enders we've seen over the last day are mostly pros, likely not with Castle himself (though Rove likely was -- I read something about him being a big Murky consultant too, is that true?) but within the GOP system. They probably see themselves as doing good within that system, fighting the real bad guys, but it takes a rare large soul indeed to give the guys storming one's familiar apparatus and turf a fair shake and evaluation.

As this blogger says, "[h]ow do you fix corruption, when the people sent to fix it become part of
the problem? Law enforcement has had this problem with the drug trade.
But even they generally don't have agents working undercover for
decades. And trying to have politicians reform politics is like becoming
a drug dealer in order to stop the drug trade."

Of course, as conservatives we know the answer: "But while we can't divest drugs of their power, we can divest politics of much of its power." Shrink government, shrink its role, or we'll see endless Lindsey Grahams -- a '94 freshman turned RINO lord.

Posted by: someone at September 16, 2010 02:32 AM (DfAwB)

341 I like the selective use of the ACU's ratings to determine whether one is a RINO. Castle had a rating of 51 and is unacceptable. Graham has a lifetime rating of 89 and is King of the RINOs.

Posted by: Tom in Korea at September 16, 2010 02:40 AM (nS7nk)

342 As one who believed Castle was the best candidate to win the seat in November, let me say very clearly: IT IS OVER. O'Donnell is our nominee and we must get behind her - ALL of us, including Castle (but I'll give him a few days to lick his wounds after a tough loss).

That doesn't mean she should vault to the top of the priority list for donations from NRSC, though. Those are limited funds and must go to the most competitive races. But O'Donnell can qualify if she can keep her momentum going, and she very well might, with the bounce from the publicity from her upset win.

Individuals make their own decisions where their money is best spent and if any believe O'Donnell is the best candidate they can help win, more power to them.

But this is an election campaign, remember - not a GOP civil war. There are high stakes for the country.

Posted by: Adjoran at September 16, 2010 02:43 AM (VfmLu)

343 On a totally unrelated subject (damned insomnia), I saw somebody already 'shopped the new Dem logo as goatse...

Posted by: someone at September 16, 2010 02:48 AM (DfAwB)

344 Screw the RINOS!


Posted by: OneSTDV at September 16, 2010 02:50 AM (/YUvg)

345 On a totally unrelated subject (damned insomnia), I saw somebody already 'shopped the new Dem logo as goatse...


Posted by: someone at September 16, 2010 02:48 AM (DfAwB)
Where?

Posted by: stuiec at September 16, 2010 02:58 AM (fgCQL)

346 But this is an election campaign, remember - not a GOP civil war. There are high stakes for the country.


Posted by: Adjoran at September 16, 2010 02:43 AM (VfmLu)
Whichever candidate won, the process of unifying behind him or her was bound to be painful and difficult. Good that the NRSC gave the winner its max donation and even better that the RNC has declared its full support.O'Donnell now has to figure out a general election strategy. It won't be exactly the same as the primary strategy, but it may be strikingly similar in certain ways. It's a year in which the independents are exceptionally open to the idea of shaking up Washington -- it really doesn't help Coons when Harry Reid calls him his "pet." That's a huge opening for O'Donnell, who can truthfully say she's not the pet or property of anybody in Washington.
As for Castle, he has to get his mind wrapped around the experience of losing an election for the first time in 40 years. It may take a while for him to do so and to be able to throw his support to O'Donnell. I hope it doesn't take until Nov. 3.

Posted by: stuiec at September 16, 2010 03:04 AM (fgCQL)

347 Just One Minute comments. Image link here (not TOO realistic, which is good).

Posted by: someone at September 16, 2010 03:08 AM (DfAwB)

348 Just One Minute comments. Image link here (not TOO realistic, which is good).


Posted by: someone at September 16, 2010 03:08 AM (DfAwB)
A stylized rendering of the President's latest proctological exam. "Oh, you found my Party! I'd forgotten where it had gotten to!"

Posted by: stuiec at September 16, 2010 03:10 AM (fgCQL)

349 If you want some comedy relief, go read the comments on the dem site regarding their new logo. They are getting hammered!

"Dems are still running on "change"? Dude, you're the government now. Do the math." http://bit.ly/bV6UPZ

Posted by: conscious, but incoherent at September 16, 2010 03:10 AM (YVZlY)

350 On a totally unrelated subject (damned insomnia), I saw somebody already 'shopped the new Dem logo as goatse...

Sometimes I really hate the efficiency of google.

Posted by: Methos at September 16, 2010 03:11 AM (/z+uy)

351 You know, that logo might look mighty snazzy on an arm-band...

Posted by: too lazy to shop at September 16, 2010 03:27 AM (vQoSF)

352 Oh man. Sorry, I thought everyone already knew about goatse.

Posted by: someone at September 16, 2010 03:28 AM (DfAwB)

353 Goatse? What is that

Posted by: TUBGIRL at September 16, 2010 03:39 AM (oj52M)

354 I could get on board the celebration of Castle's defeat (as happy as I was to see Bennett and Murkowski and Specter go down - and as a Florida resident I've got a nice bottle of Irish whiskey waiting to toast the end of Tangerine Charlie) if it weren't for the fact that O'Donnell, laudable though her positions may be, has a pathetic resume. Shit, I'm thinking about running for Senator now - at least I can hold a fucking job. Then again, perhaps being perpetually idle is the best preparation possible for the Senate.

If you tell me that you wouldn't mock the shit out of the Dems if they ran a lefty with O'Donnell's credentials, then you're a liar. One of the real unintended drawbacks with the Tea Party, to me, has been the steady creeping of identity politics bullshit into the discussion. It's one of the things I've always hated most about the left, and now we're treated to a supposed conservative candidate who files horseshit sexual discrimination lawsuits and who has some supporters insinuating that her critics are just sexist meanies who fear the vag. What trite crap.

Rubio, Miller or Lee, she ain't.

Posted by: radar at September 16, 2010 04:34 AM (AN9jQ)

355 seems like alot of O'Donnell supporters are acting like the old Ron Paul supporters ... nasty ...


Posted by: Jeff at September 16, 2010 04:35 AM (+5uxG)

356 "Shit, I'm thinking about running for Senator now - at least I can hold a fucking job."

You've been ahead of the *President* on that since last year, so there ya go.

Fortunately, he won't be able to hold this one for long either.

Posted by: someone at September 16, 2010 04:37 AM (DfAwB)

357
Of for the love of God! Stop telling us you now support O'Donnell for party unity and then tell or imply for the millionith time that you think she sucks.

Posted by: Moi at September 16, 2010 04:53 AM (Ez4Ql)

358
The photoshopped DNC logo is great. They started the teabag shit now they can be the party of goatse.

Posted by: Moi at September 16, 2010 04:56 AM (Ez4Ql)

359 ... who files horses--t sexual discrimination lawsuits ...

One, how do you know the lawsuit was bogus? Two, how is her resume evidence that: a) she doesn't really believe in her stated positions; or b) that she would not vote that way?

Blow ye winds in the mornin'
Blow ye winds hi ho
one half the watch is sick on deck
the other half below

Never entrust power to anyone not willing to surrender it.

Posted by: VADM (Red) Cuthbert Collingwood RN at September 16, 2010 05:59 AM (UL/HQ)

360 Fortunately, he won't be able to hold this one for long either.
He's held it for too long as it is!

Posted by: someone else at September 16, 2010 06:15 AM (S/hBA)

361 Can't we all just get along?

Posted by: Rodney King at September 16, 2010 06:20 AM (98AOY)

362 Hmmm

Like I said before, don't be surprised if Castle endorses "bearded marxist" Coons. It's funny how we're told that it's us who will "divide" the GOP, yet every time a RINO loses he/she either becomes a democrat, switches to third party, or endorses the democratic opponent in the general.

Castle, Crist, Spectre, Scozzafava, Murkowski - they're all the same.

Posted by: JC at September 16, 2010 06:22 AM (pvRt/)

363 There is speculation that Obama offered Castle a Czar position if he will run as an independent or endorse Coons. The drama continues.

Posted by: SurferDoc at September 16, 2010 06:26 AM (RKpGM)

364 367 JC,

ah yes but Camp RiNO will explain to you that by golly you are forcing them to do so by not seeing how "electable" they are.....


all of this has happened before and will happen again....

see Roosevelt, Teddy

Posted by: sven10077 at September 16, 2010 06:44 AM (kq1lG)

365 I think they need to make some changes too. You are right here.

Posted by: Terrye at September 16, 2010 06:48 AM (/4D/H)

366 369:

sven..Camp RINO? Have you looked at Delaware? There were about 56,000 voters in that primary on both sides in a state of about 855,000 people..most of whom probably live in a place much like camp RINO. But hey, why worry about them? Being pure is far more important that actually winning elections and governing.

After all, if meanie establishment types like Karl Rove did not ask questions such as how does O'Donnell make a living it would never occur to the Democrats to even come up with such a notion now would it?

Posted by: Terrye at September 16, 2010 06:52 AM (/4D/H)

367 345 Someone,

Yup the enemy is the superstatist whether donk or elephant. You getdown in the fetid sqamp that is DC and eventually at some point you grasp "I get paid 'donations' by special interest groups to apply 'solutions' using this sledgehammer.....

every politician faces the temptation to start viewing themselves as John Henry instead of a servant sent to represent one area of the nation.

Lindsey is just the most flamer of them on our side of late.

Posted by: sven10077 at September 16, 2010 06:54 AM (kq1lG)

368 I think Castle had won so many elections in Delaware that he became complacent when it came to the base, he began to think of his base as the whole state rather than just some primary voters and so he under estimated the damage done to him by some bad votes, he thought the good votes such as the ones against Obamacare and the Stimulus would make it all okay. He did not run a good campaign or pay enough attention to the opposition until it was too late.

But then again, there are some real problems with O'Donnell in the general and conservatives like Limbaugh and Hannity who were not always honest about Castle and his record have just plain ignored those problems...Levin has gone nuclear on anyone who is not madly in love with the woman...and people have whined about Rove being a meanie..but really Rove is a realist, he is a strategist and a lot of the problems he talked about with O'Donnell are things she will have to deal with in the general. Getting pissy with him for saying it does not change the fact that this lady has some baggage and her people need to deal with it...just saying people are being nasty for noting the shady or strange things in her background will do her no good when she has to run against a Democrat in a blue state. None at all. It will just look like they are covering for her.

Posted by: Terrye at September 16, 2010 06:59 AM (/4D/H)

369 371 Terrye,

I was absent and quiet the last week because it is Delaware and I do not have a dog in the fight, but I sort of detest all red on red after the pick is made. Rove is a big part of why O'Juggsy got elected at the national level. Darth Karl who I often like was the clown who decided "the superstate is ok and by golly we can use the superstate to win perpetuity" well the problem with that is you cannot out fucktard a democrat so if you promise 10 of something the donk promises twenty.

Add in the fact that the mainbody of the GOP finds those things distasteful anyway and you have a true party schism.

When K street became nearer the establishment GOP's heart than main street the writing was on the wall.

Had the donks not ran retard moonbats in '04 the flip would have happened then, but finally leftbat fatigue and the brilliant move of juan Queeg "Maverick!" being the only one that can beat HILLARY! convinced a lot of casual conservative voters that 'hey that mocha kid talks a real moderate game maybe I can sit this one out."

Nice work Team Pragmatist when there is little difference between the choice a good portion will not choose. It is also a tad disingenuous saying "well O'donnel shouldn't have ran since the convention is really the primary in Delaware." Evidently the people didn't agree.

Posted by: sven10077 at September 16, 2010 07:00 AM (kq1lG)

370 The RINO excuse is always that so-and-so is electable, or half a loaf is better than none, or this is some sort of demographic special case. Most of us understand all that. We are rejecting it in some cases and still willing to live with it in others. You elitist geniuses can stop explaining it anytime you like. We get it. We don't care. We want The Reckoning.

Posted by: SurferDoc at September 16, 2010 07:03 AM (RKpGM)

371 sven:

Why would Christine O'Donnell be any different?

Posted by: Terrye at September 16, 2010 07:04 AM (/4D/H)

372

Somebody correct me if I'm wrong:

I don't think the GOP can unilaterally change the date of the primary because primary day is primary day for both parties.

And the donks will never agree to any change in elections that helps the GOP. It seems like the only time the date for primaries gets changed is when dems throw a temper tantrum after losing. And then the GOP invariably complies.

IIRC the last time any primary dates were changed was after the 2000 election. The dems wanted the campaign season to start earlier and had the primaries moved back. As for the crop of states that held their primaries last Tuesday -- I just don't get it. That date is way too close to the election. Do those states hold their primaries that late on years when there's a presidential election?

The dates of the primaries make no sense to me. Pennsylvania, for example, is an important state with lots of electoral college votes -- yet their primary is so late that by the time of their primary the presidential candidate is a done deal. I'm sure the primary dates make sense to some dem strategists, however, because they seem to be the ones who determine them. Meanwhile, the GOP sits idly by, letting the dems organize the parade.

I've come to recognize that the GOP is run by lazy, stupid (and too often corrupt) dumbfucks. If they can't even get involved with reforming primaries they're simply too incompetent to succeed.

Posted by: Ed Anger at September 16, 2010 07:05 AM (7+pP9)

373 376 Terrye,

who says she is it takes a very special politician to not be needed to be voted out after about 12 years period. I am getting really tired of the notion that there are "absolutely vital people" at any level of elected government or in theEUnuch er GS class of civil servants either.....

We aren't the donks we don't need want or desire 75 year politicians like Strom frickin' Thurmond anymore.

The hubris and self-delusion behind McCain type "*I* am vital see? is why a lot of us look at the long in the tooth GOP establishment and figure he got hammered with one of the Donk marxists and has decided he is their "friend"...well no John you are supposed to be his enemy.

The Republic survived the founders it can sure as hell survive Mike castle what it can't survive is our tacking left all the time letting the donks tack marxist in response.

Posted by: sven10077 at September 16, 2010 07:08 AM (kq1lG)

374 sven:

I have to go to work so I will make this brief.

You can talk about team pragmatist all you want, but that does not change the fact that Christine O'Donnell has some real problems to deal with in terms of her electability. Jumping on Rove for pointing out the obvious and going on about K Street might make you feel better, but the truth is a lot of people think the woman is shady to say the least and that is just a reality she has to deal with.

And you know what? I hear conservatives say they want to repeal Obamacare, I agree...it needs to be repealed. But then I hear DeMint say that they would rather have 30 pure conservatives than 60 Republicans who were not pure fine..but 30 Senators can not repeal Obamacare, that is just a fact. There is no real argument about that.

So when people ask the same sort of questions about O'Donnell that they would ask about any other candidate they deserve an answer other than RINOs suck.

Posted by: Terrye at September 16, 2010 07:09 AM (/4D/H)

375 377 Ed Anger,

exactly I am sick and fucking tired of the state apparatus of the GOP too often "making nice" with the mules when they have in fact been elected to the SecState position to run the State's political infrastructure.

see Ohio, Indiana, et al.....

we need people at every level who want to see the donks as bloodied as they want to see us.

Posted by: sven10077 at September 16, 2010 07:12 AM (kq1lG)

376 379 Terrye,

I am not particularly a fan of either De candidate, that said the people of De decided on her not him. My job as a Republican now is to aid her in trying to beat the fucking communist she is up against. Yes you read that correctly we are here navelgazing about "electability" when she is running against a genuine communist.

I never said she was an awesome candidate, I said she beat Castle. Castle evidently tacked so far left he could not even win a majority of his own base that could be bothered to vote. Speaks volumes about "electability" to me.

Posted by: sven10077 at September 16, 2010 07:15 AM (kq1lG)

377 Truth is, Castle lost to O'Donnell. She didn't steal it from him. It wasn't "rightfully his". She is the candidate now. We can either support her and try to win the general or stand around and jack off our egos.

Posted by: SurferDoc at September 16, 2010 07:25 AM (RKpGM)

378 382 SurferDoc,

Yup....somewhere along the way the idea became "I won the convention it is mine, mine my precious!"

erm "no"

Posted by: sven10077 at September 16, 2010 07:27 AM (kq1lG)

379 His face in the pics says, "It was mine!" Too bad. He counted a win he didn't have yet and screwed up.

Posted by: SurferDoc at September 16, 2010 07:34 AM (RKpGM)

380

Yup....somewhere along the way the idea became "I won the convention it is mine, mine my precious!"erm "no"


Posted by: sven10077 at September 16, 2010 07:27 AM (kq1lG)
Four years ago the PA GOP gave us Lynn Swan as candidate for governor. They basically told everybody else interested in running (I forget who else wanted to run) that if they wanted a future in politics they had to drop out of the race. Swan was a hapless candidate who ran a horrible campaign and never had a chance. It's about time the people start telling the party to fuck off, that we the people will determine our candidates and not the party.

Posted by: Ed Anger at September 16, 2010 07:38 AM (7+pP9)

381 I am not going to get in yet another pointless argument about Castle-O'Donnell. I would say 99% of the continued harping by "newbies" is the action of trolls to aggravate us and discourage turnout. Ignore them.

As for "suggestions for the DE Republican Party". If you can not field candidates that support the platform of the Republican Party then you should give up disband, and become asshole trolls on blogs like Daily Kos.

Posted by: Vic at September 16, 2010 07:39 AM (/jbAw)

382
As for "suggestions for the DE Republican Party". If
you can not field candidates that support the platform of the
Republican Party then you should give up disband, and become asshole
trolls on blogs like Daily Kos.


Posted by: Vic at September 16, 2010 07:39 AM (/jbAw)
That goes for more than just the DE GOP. How's that Graham guy working out for you, Vic?

Posted by: Ed Anger at September 16, 2010 07:43 AM (7+pP9)

383 They didn't recognize the fact
That I am a genius
They had all of those they could use.

I got the steadily depressing, low down, mind-messing
Working at the car wash blues.

Posted by: SurferDoc at September 16, 2010 07:46 AM (RKpGM)

384 'hey that mocha kid talks a real moderate game maybe I can sit this one out."

*lol*

Posted by: HeatherRadish at September 16, 2010 07:47 AM (Vz9lf)

385 That goes for more than just the DE GOP. How's that Graham guy working out for you, Vic?

Posted by: Ed Anger at September 16, 2010 07:43 AM (7+pP9)
He's not working out for shit. My last letter to him was that I would actively campaign against him, and I did.

Posted by: Vic at September 16, 2010 07:59 AM (/jbAw)

386 Oh, and I did that regardless of the idea of "retaking the fucking Senate".

Posted by: Vic at September 16, 2010 07:59 AM (/jbAw)

387 On to the daily news roundup:

From Link at Drudge It’s hell. I can’t stand it!’ Carla Bruni reveals what Michelle Obama REALLY thinks of being First LadyMichelle Obama thinks being America’s First Lady is ‘hell’, Carla Bruni reveals today in a wildly indiscreet book.Miss
Bruni divulges that Mrs Obama replied when asked about her position as
the U.S. president’s wife: ‘Don’t ask! It’s hell. I can’t stand it!’Perhaps we have been to harsh with Mooshell. She really doesn't want to control out lives with eating etc. She has been forced into this my the commies around her stupid husband......

Naaahh

Posted by: Vic at September 16, 2010 08:09 AM (/jbAw)

388 Please. can we not forget about the other races that Conservatives might actually win? These people need our support too. For example, I watchedKen Buck dissect Mike Bennet in a debate the other day. Buck is up 49-45. They are running for Murtha's old seat, and Bennet is the heir apparent for the Dems. How sweet that pick-up would be for Conservatives. But again, there are plenty of races we can win but the candidates need your support. So let's not throw all our efforts into one race and forget about these people just because they're not making headlines. Maybe there's a Conservative running for an office in your state who could use your help?

Posted by: Deanna at September 16, 2010 08:14 AM (uXX71)

389 Chris Christie endorsed Castle, and the purity freaks would want his head if he voted on the issues he supports like gun-grabbing, immigration and cap and trade, but we all luuuuuuurve him. We can have moderates in MA and NJ but not DE... or IL now, I hear.

Posted by: Tattoo De Plane at September 16, 2010 08:14 AM (mHQ7T)

390

Speaking of reforming the party, I just ran across this:

Proposed changes inside GOP ruffling some feathers

The head of the Schuylkill County GOP has proposed a series of
sweeping changes to the party's bylaws, but some powerful members fear
the focus on internal reforms is diverting attention from important
elections just seven weeks away.
"Why now? We're in the middle of a
campaign," Pottsville city GOP Chairman Ron Downey said in an interview
Tuesday afternoon. "Worry about the races at hand right now. We have a
handful of local candidates ... that are in heated campaigns. We don't
need this type of interference right now."
Chairman Joseph Sterns
proposed the changes at a party meeting Saturday in Pottsville. They
include eliminating primary election endorsements and eliminating the
use of "proxy votes," meaning a committee member who does not attend a
meeting cannot have someone vote in their place.
[ . . . ]

"Our priorities are a bit misplaced," Daub said in an interview
Tuesday. "It's the heat of the political season ... We should not fail
to take advantage of that by having a divisive debate on which people
cannot agree."

Specifically, Daub and others question eliminating primary endorsements.
----------
Their priorities are wielding as much power as possible.

Posted by: Ed Anger at September 16, 2010 08:17 AM (7+pP9)

391 Maybe the state Repuke parties might take this as a fucking wake-up call that a lot of us are tired of the careerist pols and maybe I'd like the chance to vote for a conservative against a squish like Voinovich instead of having to hold my nose in the general election and vote against a commiecrat. For a party that took control of congress through the marketing of the Contract with America, the lazy fucks conveniently forget that an essential part of that was term limits.

Posted by: Captain Hate at September 16, 2010 08:21 AM (aIWP/)

392 For example, I watchedKen Buck dissect Mike Bennet in a debate the other day. Buck is up 49-45. They are running for Murtha's old seat, and Bennet is the heir apparent for the Dems.
Sorry I was going to add the race from PA in there too. Buck and Bennet are in Colorado. My bad.

Posted by: Deanna at September 16, 2010 08:21 AM (uXX71)

393 Jim DeMint accidentally
walked into a room full of lobbyists Wednesday morning and declared
that “Republicans are not prepared to take over the Senate,” according
to people in the room.

Some Republicans agree — and say he may be part of the reason why.

"Accidentally." Heh.
You know what's really funny is how O'Donnell and her supporters themselves don't believe she can win, and they need Castle to campaign for her. Pretend he was a Democrat she deposed and move on. That's how she ran her campaign. It was very gracious of the NRSC and RNC to throw all their support behind her. She is now the establishment pick and should act like it. Castle has not said one thing bad about her since the primary. Just start campaigning against Coons now.

Posted by: Tattoo De Plane at September 16, 2010 08:24 AM (mHQ7T)

394 Maybe the state Repuke parties

Why did these people not join the Libertarian Party? Seriously, you want to reform and take over a party instead of doing the hard work and starting from scratch? The LP didn't have a potential Senate majority you could destroy. They never win shit either, and they love your kind of lunacy.

Posted by: Tattoo De Plane at September 16, 2010 08:27 AM (mHQ7T)

395 Okay... the race for Murtha's seat is between the Conservative unknown Burns and Critz the hand-picked replacement for Murtha.Burns was ahead. So another candidate that can use our support.

Posted by: Deanna at September 16, 2010 08:28 AM (uXX71)

396 Tattoo, you are an idiot. The way it is supposed to work is that the candidate that does not win helps the party by endorsing the candidate that does win.
You get no brownie points for no longer being an asshole after the primary.



Posted by: kidney at September 16, 2010 08:29 AM (ENRGu)

397
Who called Castle the greatest fucking thing
ever? Seriously are so many obsessed with thinking everyone here would
get on their knees for Castle, just because they weren't in a frothing
mess for O'Donnell?

Posted by: buzzion at September 15, 2010 11:27 PM (oVQFe)

No. Everyone keeps going on like Castle winning was a foregone conclusion.Obviously, that wasn't the case.
I had no dog in the fight but I'm happy the more conservative candidate won and a fucking RINO is out of a job.
Plainly, Castle was a Fatally flawed candidate.

Posted by: Dave C at September 16, 2010 08:31 AM (4uhuW)

398 Why are you jumping on me because I'm bitching about having Voinovich shoved down my fucking throat for decades? Do you think this is something I just dreamed of from out of nowhere and haven't tried to work to get it changed? You used to live in Ohio, no? Were you pleased with how things were run? Are you against term limits?

Posted by: Captain Hate at September 16, 2010 08:33 AM (aIWP/)

399 Impressive bloodletting in here.

Posted by: Unclefacts, AoSHQ Pro Debate Team, Bacon Raconteur at September 16, 2010 08:34 AM (eCAn3)

400

Governor Christie to strike again?

DRPA workers get free rides - but will they last?

Free bridge trips and train rides could be coming back for Delaware
River Port Authority workers, both for daily commuting and for personal
use 100 times a year.

The DRPA board voted Wednesday to rescind a recent ban on the free rides.

But Gov. Christie may veto the board's action, which would prevent the return of the free rides."I think I can guarantee you that the governor is going to be very
unhappy about this. These actions are contrary to his vision for the
DRPA's future," said Christie spokesman Michael Drewniak.

Posted by: Ed Anger at September 16, 2010 08:38 AM (7+pP9)

401 If fucking chickens continuously overnight were a felony, you folks would be serving some serious time in the slammer.

Posted by: PETA Bread at September 16, 2010 08:39 AM (yRrAd)

402 Impressive bloodletting in here.

Some people won't let go.

Of course, nobody yet has said anything as demeaning or stupid as what Harry Reid said about Coons.

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at September 16, 2010 08:41 AM (FkKjr)

403 The TEA party candidates are either leading or tied in all races.

Alaska - Miller above 50%
Colorado - Buck ahead by several points
Nevada - Angle tied
Wisconsin - Johnson a point ahead (I think he will begin to pull away soon)
Florida - Rubio surging to a double digit lead
Kentucky - Rand Paul ahead by about 10 points

So much for unelectable.

BTW, that PPP poll (democratic polling firm) that showed O'Donnel down by 16 points was taken before the primary, at the peak of mudslinging. Her win certainly gave her momentum. Plus now that things are starting to cool off, most Castle voters will get behind O'Donnel. Also, Coons money advantage just disappeared over night.

If O'Donnel can play her cards right (make the race about the establishment instead of philosophical views), plus tie "He's my pet" Coons to Washington and Harry Reid, she can win.





Posted by: JC at September 16, 2010 08:41 AM (pvRt/)

404 How did Mike Castle earn $8 million while being on the public payroll forever? WHO CARES? He lost. He got creamed by a "nutty slut" as described by the establishment. Lost big. Lost, lost, lost. How could he win when he lost to her. Go out and support her over the "bearded marxist", as if anyone should have to tell you that. Reid's pet, for God's sake.

Posted by: dagny at September 16, 2010 08:42 AM (Wzfty)

405 403 Cpt Hate,

Voinovich was the beginning of the end for the GOP in Ohio we need to cauterize the wound and have SW Ohio GOPers take back the party.

I can't believe he converted Mike fricking DeWine into a Cleveland gang member.

Posted by: sven10077 at September 16, 2010 08:44 AM (kq1lG)

406 Sven, The sad thing is that Voinovich would've been no more than a Cuyahoga county mutt if some idiot with a van hadn't killed his young daughter when he was running for mayor against the diminutive cocksucker Kucinich, because I'm pretty sure that changed a lot of votes. Of course at the time the election results seemed like a great thing but shortly thereafter it became obvious it had been a lesser-of-2-evils situation.

There hasn't been a decent Repub governor in Ohio since Rhodes

Posted by: Captain Hate at September 16, 2010 08:51 AM (aIWP/)

407 You get no brownie points for no longer being an asshole after the primary.

Posted by: kidney at September 16, 2010 08:29 AM (ENRGu)

What does he get for remaining one after the primary? I ask about the commenter still strangling his purity knob-since we already know that Castle gets a nice pension, healthcare for life and all the seats on the board of Delaware-based companies he could ever want.

Posted by: A Balrog of Morgoth at September 16, 2010 08:54 AM (Snu7z)

408 Has anyone posted this yet? Seems former shoe-in candidate Castle may have been a bit more than a RINO.

Posted by: NM Hick at September 16, 2010 08:59 AM (IzuWw)

409 I can't believe how many people thought the GOP had a serious chance to win a majority in the Senate. They're the ones so pissed off about O'Donnell.

It's the other party that's supposed to smoke the hopium.

Posted by: Ed Anger at September 16, 2010 09:02 AM (7+pP9)

410 He's my baby, he's my pet. We fell in love on the night we met.

Posted by: XOXOXOXOXO Hawwy Weid at September 16, 2010 09:02 AM (yRrAd)

411 Castle is a Grade A piece of shit. Don't step in it.

Posted by: torabora at September 16, 2010 09:03 AM (8Z/FE)

412 If you'll all excuse me, I'm going to practice writing "Mrs. Harry Reid" in my journal.

Posted by: Chris Coons at September 16, 2010 09:04 AM (FkKjr)

413 I am not sure what your comment is supposed to mean, Balrog.

Posted by: kidney at September 16, 2010 09:06 AM (ENRGu)

414 You are still talking about Delaware?

Oh my!

Posted by: George Takei at September 16, 2010 09:11 AM (E97ku)

415 Coons got in the garbage last night. This morning he had a sandwich bag sticking out his rear end. I had to chase him around the house to try to get it out. He's a Very.Bad.Dog!

I swear if I didn't have a job, I would kick the shit out of him and my wife.

Posted by: Harry Reid at September 16, 2010 09:16 AM (FkKjr)

416 New poll from Ras: Coons 53% - O'Donnel 42%

Like I said before, If Castle would stop being a sore loser and endorse O'Donnel, this race will be in single digits.

Posted by: JC at September 16, 2010 09:20 AM (pvRt/)

417 kidney,

You were asking the guy to whom you responded what Mike Castle gets for still being an asshole after the primary. I was pointing out that the commenter in question was himself being one.

Posted by: A Balrog of Morgoth at September 16, 2010 09:21 AM (Snu7z)

418 From Ras - O'Donnel leads among unafilliated voters by 8 points. Coons gets 84% of dems while O'Donnel gets 71% GOP voters. Remember, these same Republicans who are not backing O'Donnel are the ones who told us we needed to get behind Castle in the interest of unity.

Posted by: JC at September 16, 2010 09:25 AM (pvRt/)

419 "Do I think O'Donnell is the best candidate for the Delaware electorate? It doesn't matter."

Well if THAT doesn't' matter what the heck does ? No wonder the Congress is chock full of panderers and poltroons. Having one letter or another after your name is not a get-out-of-jail-free card.
Golly, maybe country does get the Government it deserves.
Ain't that a scary thought.

Posted by: dougf at September 16, 2010 09:26 AM (PSoWG)

420 Hi again folks. Greetings from Delaware. As I reattach my salvagable feathers, I too wondered about the wacky process that we have here.
My understanding was the convention, which I chose not to attend, never having counted myself as a party higher up, was a place and time to align the party and compile a plan of action. It happens early, so that deadlines for both the new and existing officeholders can be met.

The primary is deliberately held later (when one is held, and this is a key point here) so as not to drag out the (active) campaign season. In retrospect, this model doesn't work well when there is an actual primary for a major office. Again, these are rare here.
Please also note that primaries and conventions are subject to outside influence, such as the big NH Presidential primary and Iowa caucuses.
That there were favored candidates is not a matter of perception; it it was quite real, and is not uncommon here.What occurred here was a confluence of several factors, which resulted in the perfect storm of tax free stupidity: a late primary, which magnified its significance, a true primary that had novelty value over and above the obvious contrast in candidates, outside intervention in the form of pundits AND a grassroots movement. That last one may be the biggest, as Fred Thompson noted; this year is different, because of the growing repudiation of the in crowd, Obama, and the current potentcy of the Tea Party movement.

Posted by: Blue Hen at September 16, 2010 09:29 AM (R2fpr)

421 In a shocking development, Mike Castle has been holding private meetings with Obama.

Backshooter. Cornyn must be one proud Texan.

Posted by: richard mcenroe at September 16, 2010 09:30 AM (LFAxM)

422 Remember, these same Republicans who are not backing O'Donnel are the
ones who told us we needed to get behind Castle in the interest of
unity.

At this point, O'Donnell needs to make inroads to Castle supporters. If she hammers on Castle for not endorsing her, it's just going to annoy his supporters.

She needs at this point to start showcasing the difference between her and Coons.

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at September 16, 2010 09:31 AM (FkKjr)

423 O/T

Uh-oh.. Looks like, the Wookie is disenchanted.

Posted by: franksalterego at September 16, 2010 09:32 AM (+6fgE)

424 In a shocking development, Mike Castle has been holding private meetings with Obama. Backshooter. Cornyn must be one proud Texan.
Posted by: richard mcenroe

I desperately hope that this is not the case. it would tear this state apart, givenew lifeto those unsupported rumors about palceholding or party switching and bedevil the process for years. The only options Castle has would be for O'Donnell to be stripped of the nomination (perhaps if that FEC suit still lives) run as a write-in candidate, or get the Dems to flush harry's Reid's pet (that is one long fucking leash) Coons and replace him.

To anyone who doubts the possibility of that last one, I say unto you: New Jersey. Torrecelli. Dem controlled state government and court.
All of those same pieces are in place here.

Posted by: Blue Hen at September 16, 2010 09:37 AM (R2fpr)

425 I wonder what turnout model Ras is using for DE this year.

Posted by: Jean at September 16, 2010 09:37 AM (rPmf2)

426 I wonder what turnout model Ras is using for DE this year.
That is an excellent question. The old adage is that higher turnout favors Democrats, lower turnout favors Republicans. I suspect this year that might be reversed. One thing tat that the Tea Party movement has done is to bring in the disenfranchised conservative voter. I suspect that if you have higher turnout is states like Delaware, Nevada, Kentucky that bodes will for GOP candidates.

However, I suspect Rasmussen is doing 2 polls, one to see who is voting, and then one to see how those people voting are going to vote.

Posted by: Mallamutt at September 16, 2010 09:41 AM (OWjjx)

427 Remember, these same Republicans who are not backing O'Donnel are the ones who told us we needed to get behind Castle in the interest of unity.

And the responsibility for pulling everyone together lies with the candidate, not the loser. O’Donnell is the candidate. As Bevel noted, it is time for her to make inroads to Castle supporters. If she can not give them a reason to go vote for her, that is her problem. She is the one trying to get elected. The burden is on the candidate. You have to go out and get elected. Had Castlewon it would be his burden to reach out to O'Donnell voters, not vica versa.

Posted by: Mallamutt at September 16, 2010 09:44 AM (OWjjx)

428 I wonder what turnout model Ras is using for DE this year.
That is an excellent question. The old adage is that higher turnout favors Democrats, lower turnout favors Republicans. I suspect this year that might be reversed. One thing tat that the Tea Party movement has done is to bring in the disenfranchised conservative voter. I suspect that if you have higher turnout is states like Delaware, Nevada, Kentucky that bodes will for GOP candidates.

However, I suspect Rasmussen is doing 2 polls, one to see who is voting, and then one to see how those people voting are going to vote.



Posted by: Mallamutt

If she can somehow make inroads with Independents (Castle would be a help here) and Dem turnout is depressed (as it was in the primary) she has a path to victory.
Bad sign (no pun intended): I'm seeing Beau Biden for AG signs out, even though he's running unopposed. The GOP here did something smart by declining to run against him, so as to avoid the turnout that might draw. Wanna bet that he's going to ramp up just to try and fire up the Dems and GOTV?

Posted by: Blue Hen at September 16, 2010 09:45 AM (R2fpr)

429 And the responsibility for pulling everyone together lies with the candidate, not the loser. O’Donnell is the candidate. As Bevel noted, it is time for her to make inroads to Castle supporters. If she can not give them a reason to go vote for her, that is her problem. She is the one trying to get elected. The burden is on the candidate. You have to go out and get elected. Had Castlewon it would be his burden to reach out to O'Donnell voters, not vica versa.

Posted by: Mallamutt

I would agree. However, if he is really courting the Dems the day after the primary, that complicates things, to say the least. If he starts doing what Murkowski is STILL doing, then O'Donnell's loss might conceivably be blamed upon him. She needs the Repubs. She needs to get a majority of independents. She won't get that unless Castle shifts into neutral, endorses here, or implodes.

Posted by: Blue Hen at September 16, 2010 09:48 AM (R2fpr)

430
My suggestion: Run a Harry Reid "he's my pet" ad. Immediately.

Posted by: Lemon Kitten at September 16, 2010 09:51 AM (0fzsA)

431 231
With every question...you realized that this woman knows California and Californians.

Then why doesn't she flee? I question her judgment based on this.


Posted by: Purple Avenger at September 16, 2010 12:40 AM (5C0iP)


This. :::yeah, I'm still here too:::

Posted by: baldilocks at September 16, 2010 10:03 AM (VJoyM)

432 Anyone else here bored as shit with Delaware?


Posted by: Drinky Crow at September 15, 2010 10:50 PM (5+Fvb)

Guess not.

Posted by: Drinky Crow at September 16, 2010 10:03 AM (5+Fvb)

433 Anyone else here bored as shit with Delaware?
Posted by: Drinky Crow at September 15, 2010 10:50 PM (5+Fvb)

Guess not.
Posted by: Drinky Crow

Bored? No. Being horrified and or nauseated for weeks on end will do that to you.

Posted by: Blue Hen at September 16, 2010 10:06 AM (R2fpr)

434 Some people won't let go.

Of course, nobody yet has said anything as demeaning or stupid as what Harry Reid said about Coons.


Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at September 16, 2010 08:41 AM (FkKjr)

What I don't get is why people are shooting our own guy or in this case gal, instead of unloading on the DEMOCRAT in the race? Makes no damned sense at all.

Posted by: Unclefacts, AoSHQ Pro Debate Team, Bacon Raconteur at September 16, 2010 10:13 AM (eCAn3)

435
Castle's arrogance makes me understand why the voters didn't push him over the top.

We may lose the seat - but saying goodbye to sore losers is it's own reward.


Posted by: Lemon Kitten at September 16, 2010 10:14 AM (0fzsA)

436 Posted by: franksalterego

That's too good to be true. Being First Lady is "hell"? Plus the bitchy-ass tone of her answer to Bruni the babe.
MO has probably fake-smiled more in the last 19 months than anyone on Earth, so I can imagine she is chomping at the bit to get back to being her natural bitter self.

Posted by: Lincolntf at September 16, 2010 10:18 AM (EHI/u)

437 The one thing I find striking about this - you guys do know it is possible to think both candidates suck, right? You want to slag Castle all you want, that's great - I'll happily join in. He's certainly not who I'd want in the Senate. Just stop pretending that O'Donnell is a good candidate. I hope she wins, but seriously, is this woman the best they could do? Compare her to Mike Lee, or Joe Miller, or Marco Rubio, or Pat Toomey, and the differences are striking. It's just disappointing that what should've been a golden opportunity to steal the seat is now a longshot.

Posted by: radar at September 16, 2010 10:20 AM (sWEaY)

438 SHE DOESN'T HAVE A PORKCHOPS CHANCE IN A PIRANHA TANK OF WINNING!

Yet, they drench themselves in denial hoping, just hoping that..............

The Bad News Bears could beat the Yankees

A Yak could win the Kentucky Derby against proven winning thoroughbreds

Turkey buzzards can outfly Perigrine Falcons
Send her millions. It worked for Ron Paul. DE voters know O'Donnell well, but the definition of insanity isn't really doing the same thing over and over.
Keep beating up on Castle, even though the primary is over and the polls told you how this would work out. That she would have endorsed him were the shoe on the other foot is hogwash. O'Donnell put herself on the ballot as a write-in after she lost her primary in 2006. It's how she rolls.

Posted by: Tattoo De Plane at September 16, 2010 10:25 AM (mHQ7T)

439 And the responsibility for pulling everyone together lies with the candidate, not the loser

True, but that would go a heck of a lot easier if Castle wasn't doing things like, you know, making calls to the whitehouse and attacking conservatives and O'Donnel supporters on the huffington post.

If O'Donnel lost and not only refused to endorse Castle, but spent her time attacking him as well, Castle supporters would be going nuts and (rightly) accusing her of sabotaging the election because she's a sore loser. Obviously though, party unity doesn't apply to RINOs, only conservatives.

Posted by: JC at September 16, 2010 10:26 AM (pvRt/)

440 Castle's arrogance makes me understand why the voters didn't push him over the top.

He won 12 elections. He was a 95% lock to win were he elected. There have been lies that he voted for Obamacare, voted against the surge, voted to have Bush impeached, he's a Democrat, he's a liar. So fucking drop it. Why do you need his endorsement to win when you think O'Donnell is hot shit?

Posted by: Tattoo De Plane at September 16, 2010 10:28 AM (mHQ7T)

441 What I don't get is why people are
shooting our own guy or in this case gal, instead of unloading on the
DEMOCRAT in the race? Makes no damned sense at all.


Posted by: Unclefacts, AoSHQ Pro Debate Team, Bacon Raconteur at September 16, 2010 10:13 AM (eCAn3)

Maybe because despite receiving the maximum donation from the NRSC and prominent endorsements, O'Donnell is still running against Castle and the old boys club instead of moving on and making statements about Coons.

Posted by: Tattoo De Plane at September 16, 2010 10:31 AM (mHQ7T)

442 Keep beating up on Castle, even though the primary is over and the polls told you how this would work out. That she would have endorsed him were the shoe on the other foot is hogwash. O'Donnell put herself on the ballot as a write-in after she lost her primary in 2006. It's how she rolls.
Posted by: Tattoo De Plane
What possible reason is there for going on like this? Many people, far more reasoned than you, have noted that she isn't a good candidate, and that Castle had several inherent advantages.
But a very stupid, poorly conducted primary is over. because of the result, the very reasonable concern that O'Donnell would play the sore loser did not come to pass. What we're seeing now is Castle doing something that I didn't expect, and I'm on the ground here. No poll told us that Castle would play the sore loser.
Try reading the comment above. he doesn't have to endorse her, though his help would be invaluable. But he's not in neutral gear either.

Posted by: Delaware GOP at September 16, 2010 10:34 AM (R2fpr)

443 Moot post. The RINO gambit is road kill. Palin endorsed too early in NH and knows better now. Fat Ass(the GOP fixer) has crapped his bed and soonwill be arranging DJs for bar mitzvahs.
The Senate is going to be known as 'the Cork' in government and fixers are out of a job for 2012. Paid assassins are hot properties.

Posted by: gary gulrud at September 16, 2010 10:34 AM (/g2vP)

444 Hey.. there nothing but guts in here.

Posted by: Mike Castle killing a goose laying a golden egg. at September 16, 2010 10:35 AM (4uhuW)

445 He won 12 elections.

And he lost the primary, so he wasn't viable. Seriously, move on.

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at September 16, 2010 10:36 AM (FkKjr)

446 if Castle wasn't doing things like, you know, making calls to the whitehouse

He has every right to call the White House after being driven out of the party he served for decades. I'm sure he's looking for lobbying work right now. His piece on HuffPo was outlining his actual voting record and rebutting the lies put out by O'Donnell surrogates, not attacking her.

Posted by: Tattoo De Plane at September 16, 2010 10:36 AM (mHQ7T)

447
And he lost the primary, so he wasn't viable.

That doesn't change who O'Donnell is, and when she loses again, it will be her fault again, not Mike Castle's.

Posted by: Tattoo De Plane at September 16, 2010 10:38 AM (mHQ7T)

448 Tattoo

The only people who are attacking others are sore loser Castle supporters attacking O'Donnel because get this - it took her years to pay off her college loans. (Obviously these people are either rich or never went to college). Here's a challenge for you. Please tell me WHY she is "insane" or "nuts" or "a slut"? Only retards repeat stupid baseless attacks. The attacks against Castle were based on his record. The attacks on O'Donnel were personal.

Castle lost. Get over it. BTW, what ever happened to party unity?

From Ras - O'Donnel leads among unafilliated voters by 8 points. Coons gets 84% of dems while O'Donnel gets 71% GOP voters. O'Donnel is winning among independents. The only reason this race isn't single digits is because liberal republicans are being sore losers and not backing O'Donnel. Oh, and if Castle were to endorse O'Donnel, that 11 point deficit would probably be cut in half.

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Posted by: luirgfe at September 16, 2010 10:40 AM (q2Y5n)

450 But he's not in neutral gear either.

They never are. Hillary had to be bought off before she endorsed Obama, and that is politics, not anything inherently corrupt. O'Donnell burned a bridge by running a scorched earth campaign, and her supporters are still pouring gas on the fire by whining that Castle won't endorse them, all part of her campaign to portray herself as the true con in a state where nobody cares.

Posted by: Tattoo De Plane at September 16, 2010 10:42 AM (mHQ7T)

451 And the
responsibility for pulling everyone together lies with the candidate,
not the loser. O’Donnell is the candidate. As Bevel noted, it is time
for her to make inroads to Castle supporters. If she can not give them
a reason to go vote for her, that is her problem. She is the one trying
to get elected. The burden is on the candidate. You have to go out and
get elected. Had Castlewon it would be his burden to reach out to
O'Donnell voters, not vica versa.

Bullshit. McCain never offered shit beyond asking Palin to be VP.

But we were supposed to automatically rally behind him and vote for him so the Greater Of Two Evils would get into office.
I'm fucking sick and tired of people telling me I need to rally around the fucking RINO so that the GOTE won't win.

And when the election breaks the other way, what happens?
Charlie Crist. Arlen Spector. Murky Lisa who may or may not run as a write in candidate. Mike Castle taking phone calls from the White House.

Where is the fucking calls for party unity for them?

Posted by: Dave C at September 16, 2010 10:43 AM (4uhuW)

452 True, but that would go a heck of a lot easier if Castle wasn't doing things like, you know, making calls to the whitehouse and attacking conservatives and O'Donnel supporters on the huffington post.
There were some phone calls from the White House to Castle. In politics, it is a custom that when you are a long time incumbent and you get beat, people from both parties call and wish you condolences. These so called phone calls are nothing more than courtesy – quit reading too much into it. Not every thing is a RINO conspiracy to enslave you.

Posted by: Mallamutt at September 16, 2010 10:44 AM (OWjjx)

453 That doesn't change who O'Donnell is, and when she loses again, it will be her fault again, not Mike Castle's.

What exactly does proclaiming that O'Donnell is going to lose accomplish?

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at September 16, 2010 10:45 AM (FkKjr)

454 He has every right to call the White House after being driven out of the party he served for decades

LOL. Would that include the entire Republican establishment supporting Castle over O'Donnel?

Man, how DARE those stupid "voters" reject the guy chosen by the Republican establishment? Didn't they know this was Castle's seat? sheesh.


Posted by: JC at September 16, 2010 10:45 AM (pvRt/)

455 The only people who are attacking others are sore loser Castle
supporters attacking O'Donnel because get this - it took her years to
pay off her college loans. (Obviously these people are either rich or never went to college)

But those people weren't sued for failure to pay in most cases. They got jobs and worked until the debt was paid. But you know what would have been a smart move on her part when she was asked by Gaffney. Answering sensibly instead of demanding to know whether Castle and the RNC paid him off.

Posted by: Tattoo De Plane at September 16, 2010 10:45 AM (mHQ7T)

456 If anyone else asserts how wronged and victimized poor wittle Mikey Castle has been I'm going to die of fucking laughter.

Posted by: Entropy at September 16, 2010 10:46 AM (IsLT6)

457 Man, how DARE those stupid "voters" reject the guy chosen by the Republican establishment?

Politics is a job. It's a job for professional also-rans like O'Donnell just the same as it is for career politicians like Castle. I have more respect for the latter, who have a real record of accomplishments they can be proud of.

Posted by: Tattoo De Plane at September 16, 2010 10:48 AM (mHQ7T)

458 if Castle wasn't doing things like, you know, making calls to the whitehouseHe has every right to call the White House after being driven out of the party he served for decades. I'm sure he's looking for lobbying work right now. His piece on HuffPo was outlining his actual voting record and rebutting the lies put out by O'Donnell surrogates, not attacking her.
Posted by: Tattoo De Plane
This is utter bullshit.
Yes he has the right to call the White House, the Waffle House, or any other damned house that he wants.
He was not driven out. You don't like that the peasants in Delaware actually got to have a real primary this year? Then go tellour masters that they've been too lenient with us. Better yet; come here and tell me that I don't have a right to a vote.
He may be looking for lobbying work. One thing that everyone can be sure of is that by definition you cannot be sure. You don't have a transcript of the call; neither do I. Therefore you are either making a wild ass guess or you are lying.
Have losing candidates sought to address charges made during primaries or election before? Yes. Do they have a right to do this? Of course; it is free speech.Can these attemptsbe detrimental to the winning candidates chances? Of course.
I have fucking had it with outsiders telling me and mine that I should buckle down and learn my place. my grandparents fought the British empire so that they could worship and vote in peace. Compared to that, you are less than nothing.

Posted by: Blue Hen at September 16, 2010 10:48 AM (R2fpr)

459 Not every thing is a RINO conspiracy to enslave you.
Not everything... no... no, not quite everything.
That is how theyattempt to lull you into complacency.
Eternal vigilance!

Posted by: Entropy at September 16, 2010 10:49 AM (IsLT6)

460 "Asked whether she would be campaigning for O'Donnell in
Democratic-friendly Delaware in the fall, Palin replied: 'I'll do
whatever I can. I want to help, though, and not hurt. And, you know,
sometimes it's a double edged sword there if my name is connected to
anybody.'" Sarah Palin

Posted by: Tattoo De Plane at September 16, 2010 10:51 AM (mHQ7T)

461 Not every thing is a RINO conspiracy to enslave you.
Not everything... no... no, not quite everything.
That is how theyattempt to lull you into complacency.
Eternal vigilance!
Posted by: Entropy

Heh. It's only paranoia if they aren't actually out to get you. I certainly hope that it was purely a formal call.

Posted by: Blue Hen at September 16, 2010 10:51 AM (R2fpr)

462 Politics is a job. It's a job for professional
also-rans like O'Donnell just the same as it is for career politicians
like Castle. I have more respect for the latter, who have a real record
of accomplishments they can be proud of.

Posted by: Tattoo De Plane

Castle voted with Dennis Kucinnich.

Doesn't matter what for. (Sending the Immpeach Bush bill to sub-committee or something)

No self respecting Republican should ever vote with Dennis Kucinnich.
(Note, not conservative but Republican)

Posted by: Dave C at September 16, 2010 10:52 AM (4uhuW)

463 I have fucking had it with
outsiders telling me and mine that I should buckle down and learn my
place. my grandparents fought the British empire so that they could
worship and vote in peace. Compared to that, you are less than nothing.

Posted by: Blue Hen at September 16, 2010 10:48 AM (R2fpr)

BTW.. Thanks for being the voice on the ground there in the First State.

Posted by: Dave C at September 16, 2010 10:54 AM (4uhuW)

464 Posted by: "Asked whether she would be campaigning for O'Donnell in Democratic-friendly Delaware in the fall, Palin replied: 'I'll do whatever I can. I want to help, though, and not hurt. And, you know, sometimes it's a double edged sword there if my name is connected to anybody.'" Sarah Palin
Posted by: Tattoo De Plane
"What's the difference between now and 1994? They have me!" President Barack Hussein Obama.
I am going to perpetuate the slap fight over the political corpse of Mike Castle."Tattoo De Plane

One of these three passed the IQ test. Which one was it?

Posted by: Blue Hen at September 16, 2010 10:54 AM (R2fpr)

465 From Ras - O'Donnel leads among unafilliated voters
by 8 points. Coons gets 84% of dems while O'Donnel gets 71% GOP voters.
O'Donnel is winning among independents. The only reason this race isn't
single digits is because liberal republicans are being sore losers and
not backing O'Donnel. Oh, and if Castle were to endorse O'Donnel, that
11 point deficit would probably be cut in half.


Posted by: JC at September 16, 2010 10:39 AM (pvRt/)


Delaware is not a conservative state. Not even close. Let’s count the ways:
-The last time it voted for a Republican presidential candidate was 1988.
-The last time it voted for a Republican senator was 1994.
-The last time the GOP held the state house was 1972.
-The last time the GOP held the state senate was 1972.
-The last time a Republican won the governor's mansion was 1988. That Republican’s name is Mike Castle.
-Between 1988 and 2000, the Democrats held on
average a party registration advantage that ranged between 5 and 9
points. In 2006, the Democratic advantage hit 11 points. In 2008 it
hit 12 points. This year, it reached 17 points.
-In 2008, one out of four self-identified Delaware conservatives voted for Barack Obama.

Posted by: Tattoo De Plane at September 16, 2010 10:56 AM (mHQ7T)

466
BTW.. Thanks for being the voice on the ground there in the First State.

Posted by: Dave C at September 16, 2010 10:54 AM

You are welcome. I should note that many here have been gracious in their treatment of this ugliness, and have been very kind in responses to my posts. My chief frustration is that if this had been approached differently, then O'Donnell's candidacy would have been defused, Castle nominated, and we could be driving on our goal.
"Of all the words of tongue or pen, the saddest are these; it might have been."

Posted by: Blue Hen at September 16, 2010 10:58 AM (R2fpr)

467 Posted by: Tattoo De Plane

Thanks for the Delaware voting primer, which the cob-loggers covered weeks ago. Now try finding any one person on this site who has said that this will be easy, a lock, or anything but an ugly, hard slog? Don't hide behind preference, because I didn't when I voted here.

Posted by: Blue Hen at September 16, 2010 11:01 AM (R2fpr)

468 It was, I think, on the Gretta show last night when Christine said "exasperated" when she must have meant "exacerbated" in the context she said it.

Apparently she got all the education she paid for.

Posted by: Robert at September 16, 2010 11:01 AM (cd6Ip)

469 -The last time a Republican won the governor's mansion was 1988. That Republican’s name is Mike Castle.

Remind me what happened to him last Tuesday?

He couldn't even win his own primary. Why was it such a forgone conclusion that he would win the general?

Let me say it again in case it wasn't clear enough.

Mike Castle lost.
Mike Castle lost.
Mike Castle lost.
-Between 1988 and 2000, the Democrats held on
average a party registration advantage that ranged between 5 and 9
points. In 2006, the Democratic advantage hit 11 points. In 2008 it
hit 12 points.

In 2008, Democrats where heavily favored everywhere and one of Delaware's favorite son, Sheriff Joe, was the head democrats' BFF. Of course it's going to be high.




Posted by: Dave C at September 16, 2010 11:03 AM (4uhuW)

470 40 years in public office, 40 years of support from DE republicans, and he cannot return the favor 5 minutes by paying even lip service tosupporting their choice.
Since he's clearly way too fucking old to survive long enough to run again, it doesn't much matter what bridges he burns.
DE republicans are apparently under the false and preposterousimpression that their representation is theirs. This seat was Mike Castle's by entitlement.
By unseating him, you have clearly wronged him.
I am suprised he does not SUE you for his job back.
Wrongful termination. The court would no doubt restore his candidacy, and correct the voter's deluded impression that politicians apparently serve at their leisure or something and can just be un-voted for whenever the hell they please.
That way lies chaos!
It's unviable. How could we even coordinate anything?! We have a convention 2 months before the election where we praise our nominee. How the hell could we expected to predict who you fuckin bumpkins will vote for? Most of you are drunk anyway.
What the hell do they think this is, a democracy?
We allow you to vote so you can demonstrably approve of our leadership andprofessyour patriotic fealty by rubberstamping our choices! You don't get to actually pick stuff!

Posted by: Entropy at September 16, 2010 11:06 AM (IsLT6)

471 One of these three passed the IQ test. Which one was it?

Posted by: Blue Hen at September 16, 2010 10:54 AM (R2fpr)
Maybe she doesn't read newspapers, but she reads polls. PPP September 15.Q1 Do you approve or disapprove of President
Barack Obama's job performance?
Approve .............46%
Disapprove............... 48%
Not sure .............6%Q5 Do you have a favorable or unfavorable opinion
of Mike Castle?
Favorable............... .44%
Unfavorable ........... .40%
Not sure ................. .15%
Q6 Do you have a favorable or unfavorable opinion
of Chris Coons?
Favorable............... .31%
Unfavorable ........... .33%
Not sure ................. .36%
Q7 Do you have a favorable or unfavorable opinion
of Christine O’Donnell?
Favorable............... .29%
Unfavorable ........... .50%
Not sure ................. .21%Q8 If the candidates for US Senate this fall were
Republican Mike Castle and Democrat Chris
Coons, who would you vote for?
Mike Castle............45%
Chris Coons ....... 35%
Undecided...........20%
Q9 If the candidates for US Senate this fall were
Republican Christine O’Donnell and Democrat
Chris Coons, who would you vote for?
Christine O'Donnell ........34%
Chris Coons ............ 50%
Undecided......... 16%
Q10 Do you think Mike Castle is too liberal, too
conservative, or about right?
Too liberal .........31%
Too conservative..........15%
About right ........ 45%
Not sure .......9%
Q11 Do you think Christine O’Donnell is too liberal,
too conservative, or about right?
Too liberal ........ 9%
Too conservative........ 40%
About right ......... 35%
Not sure ....... 15%
Q12 Do you think Mike Castle is fit to hold public
office?
Yes........59%
No ......... 26%
Not sure ...... 16%Q13 Do you think Christine O’Donnell is fit to hold
public office?
Yes........ 31%
No ......... 49%
Not sure ...... 20%
Q14 Would you be more or less likely to vote for a
candidate who was endorsed by Sarah Palin,
or would it not make a difference?
More likely....... 18%
Less likely ......... 52%
Doesn't make a difference ...... 29%
Q15 Do you consider yourself to be a member of
the Tea Party?
Yes....... 15%
No ....... 71%
Not sure ...... 14%
Q16 Do you think the Republican Party is too liberal,
too conservative, or about right?
Too liberal ..... 21%
Too conservative..... 41%
About right ...... 28%
Not sure ....... 10%
Q17 Who did you vote for President in 2008?
John McCain...... 41%
Barack Obama.......... 55%
Someone else/Don't remember ...................... 5%Q18 Would you describe yourself as a liberal,
moderate, or conservative?
Liberal ....... 19%
Moderate....... 44%
Conservative........ 37%
Q19 If you are a woman, press 1. If a man, press 2.
Woman ........ 52%
Man....... 48%
Q20 If you are a Democrat, press 1. If a
Republican, press 2. If an independent or
another party, press 3.
Democrat ....... 47%
Republican......... 38%
Independent/Other...... 15%
Q21 If you are white, press 1. If African-American,
press 2. If other, press 3.
White ...... 78%
African-American ....... 18%
Other....... 4%
Q22 If you are 18 to 29 years old, press 1. If 30 to
45, press 2. If 46 to 65, press 3. If you are
older than 65, press 4.
18 to 29.......... 11%
30 to 45...... 25%
46 to 65......... 39%
Older than 65......... 25%

Posted by: Tattoo De Plane at September 16, 2010 11:07 AM (mHQ7T)

472 http://t.co/iRiecwN

It's Piss Matthews but he's saying that she can win Delaware.

Posted by: Dave C at September 16, 2010 11:08 AM (4uhuW)

473 Seriously, I'm fucking sick of you people thinking your entitled to tell us how to do our jobs!
I don't go trolling round McDonald's bathrooms telling you how to unplug your toilets. It is clearly your area of expertise and I respect you enough to allow you to handle it on your own.
Why you can't swallow an ounce of humility and extend the same courtesy I cannot fathom. Clearly it has something to do with your deficient low-classupbringing.

Posted by: RINO Senator at September 16, 2010 11:10 AM (IsLT6)

474 I have fucking had it with
outsiders telling me and mine that I should buckle down and learn my
place. my grandparents fought the British empire so that they could
worship and vote in peace. Compared to that, you are less than nothing.

Posted by: Blue Hen at September 16, 2010 10:48 AM (R2fpr)
My ancestors fought in the Revolutionary War, too, and the Civil War in WV and both the world wars by the dozens. You know what they were not fighitng for? Obamacare, Wise Latinas and debt. But thank you petulant purist bitches for killing the Republican Senate majority so you could stamp your feet and send a fucking message.

Posted by: Tattoo De Plane at September 16, 2010 11:12 AM (mHQ7T)

475
Posted by: Tattoo De Plane at September 16, 2010 11:07 AM (mHQ7T)
Thank you so much for that.
That may have actually have somewhat relevant if Mike Castle has won last Tuesday.

Posted by: Dave C at September 16, 2010 11:13 AM (4uhuW)

476 My ancestors fought in the
Revolutionary War, too, and the Civil War in WV and both the world wars
by the dozens. You know what they were not fighitng for? Obamacare,
Wise Latinas and debt. But thank you petulant purist bitches for
killing the Republican Senate majority so you could stamp your feet and
send a fucking message.


Posted by: Tattoo De Plane at September 16, 2010 11:12 AM (mHQ7T)

Dude.. IIRC, Blue Hen voted for Castle..
WTF?

Posted by: Dave C at September 16, 2010 11:15 AM (4uhuW)

477 But thank you petulant purist bitches for killing the Republican Senate
majority so you could stamp your feet and send a fucking message.

Way to count the chickens before they hatch but that's beside the point right now.

Karl Rove tried to engineer a "Permanent Republican Majority". How did that turn out? What did it bring? Remind me, please.

She's the Republican nominee now. Deal with it or take your ball and go home.

All the stats and poll results you can cut and past won't change that.

The question is now what can be done today?

Posted by: Dave C at September 16, 2010 11:19 AM (4uhuW)

478 My ancestors fought in the Revolutionary War, too, and the Civil War in WV and both the world wars by the dozens. You know what they were not fighitng for? Obamacare, Wise Latinas and debt. But thank you petulant purist bitches for killing the Republican Senate majority so you could stamp your feet and send a fucking message.
Posted by: Tattoo De Plane at September 16, 2010 11:12 AM (mHQ7T)

Dude.. IIRC, Blue Hen voted for Castle..
WTF?
Posted by: Dave C
Never mind; he's rolling. Also note how when someone doesn't agree with his choice, it becomes a "petulent purity message thing" Also note how I've been screaming for weeks that CAstle did little or no positive campaigning here going into the primary. he had 2/4 million dollars and didn't even put up fucking signs until the week of the primary. O'Donnells had all been vandalized by then.

Posted by: Blue Hen at September 16, 2010 11:21 AM (R2fpr)

479 She's the Republican nominee now. Deal with it or take your ball and go home.All the stats and poll results you can cut and past won't change that. The question is now what can be done today?
Posted by: Dave C

I doubt that he can lay claim to even one ball.

Posted by: Blue Hen at September 16, 2010 11:22 AM (R2fpr)

480 But thank you petulant purist bitches for killing the Republican Senate majority so you could stamp your feet and send a fucking message.
You're welcome.

Posted by: Entropy at September 16, 2010 11:23 AM (IsLT6)

481 Dude.. IIRC, Blue Hen voted for Castle..

That's what she said, but I don't appreciate the First State card and the "sick and tired" shit. O'Donnell's primary win was the worst thing to happen to real conservatives who want actual representation in DC, in northeastern states and in a Republican party that thinks strategically rather than emotionally since Obamacare passed. O'Donnell stinks on ice however you cut it, but let's hear how bad Rove is for pointing out the obvious.

Posted by: Tattoo De Plane at September 16, 2010 11:25 AM (mHQ7T)

482
You're welcome.

Posted by: Entropy at September 16, 2010 11:23 AM (IsLT6)
Let's hear that again November 5.

Posted by: Tattoo De Plane at September 16, 2010 11:25 AM (mHQ7T)

483 Tattoo de Troll yearns for a party of finley creased pant legs. If only we had 75 smart fellows like David Brooks, we would rule uncontested for all eternity.

Posted by: Entropy at September 16, 2010 11:27 AM (IsLT6)

484 Also note how when someone doesn't agree with his choice, it becomes a "petulent purity message thing"

I will have you note that I spelled "petulant" correctly as a three time spelling bee champ and that this was the argument well before Castle lost. I agree he ran a shitty campaign, too, and she won the primary fair and square.

Posted by: Tattoo De Plane at September 16, 2010 11:29 AM (mHQ7T)

485 Let's hear that again November 5.
Better make it the 6th.
Write me on your day planner for 9 AM.
I'm never too busy for simple politesse, but the results may not come in that quickly.

Posted by: Entropy at September 16, 2010 11:30 AM (IsLT6)

486 Tattoo De Plane

Karl Rove?


Posted by: Dave C at September 16, 2010 11:32 AM (4uhuW)

487 Tattoo de Troll yearns for a party of finley creased
pant legs. If only we had 75 smart fellows like David Brooks, we would
rule uncontested for all eternity.

Posted by: Entropy at September 16, 2010 11:27 AM (IsLT6)
No, actually comparing Angle to O'Donnell is an insult to Angle. I've been supportive of her primary win, as well as Rubio, Toomey, Buck, Lee, Miller and Ayote. Rand Paul is bonkers, but he's a good candidate for KY. O'Donnell was suicide, and I wanted that seat, instead of conceding the northeast to the Dems, which is why real trolls are now out for Kirk and Brown.

Posted by: Tattoo De Plane at September 16, 2010 11:33 AM (mHQ7T)

488
I'm never too busy for simple politesse, but the results may not come in that quickly.

Posted by: Entropy at September 16, 2010 11:30 AM (IsLT6)
It's DE. O'Donnelll got how many in the primary... 25,000 votes? There were people in line for the port-a-potties at Glen Beck's Whitestock.

Posted by: Tattoo De Plane at September 16, 2010 11:34 AM (mHQ7T)

489 "more people"

Posted by: Tattoo De Plane at September 16, 2010 11:35 AM (mHQ7T)

490 That's what she said, but I don't appreciate the First State card and
the "sick and tired" shit. O'Donnell's primary win was the worst thing
to happen to real conservatives who want actual representation in DC, in
northeastern states and in a Republican party that thinks strategically
rather than emotionally since Obamacare passed. O'Donnell stinks on ice
however you cut it, but let's hear how bad Rove is for pointing out the
obvious.

So conservatives in blue states are supposed to vote the way you decree for the good of the party, and just accept having Castle because you want them to? They don't get to make a good faith decision on who they would rather have represent them?

Tell me, do you live in a red or purple state?

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at September 16, 2010 11:37 AM (FkKjr)

491 I agree he ran a shitty campaign, too, and she won the primary fair and square.
Posted by: Tattoo De Plane

Who really cares? especially now? She should not have won. There was an excellent opportunity to forestall it. But Castle did not run to win the damn primary. And now we're here, listening to you whine.
The standards of responsibility you have are ludicrous. Castle was expected to have a pulse, no more. The rank and file were expected to attain and maintain at all times the vision of a change in the Senate itself and the prospect of securing for a Republican a seat using a rare opportunity. The voters were and still are being held to a far higher standard than the political veteran who by all accounts was the expert.
This was the result of a poorly managed campaign and poorly calibrated expectations.

Posted by: Blue Hen at September 16, 2010 11:40 AM (R2fpr)

492 It's DE. O'Donnelll got how many in the primary... 25,000 votes? There were people in line for the port-a-potties at Glen Beck's Whitestock.
DE?
I thought you wanted me to welcome you for throwing the entire senate.
I figured it would go like this:
We'll lose the senate.
You'll say "Thank you".
I'll say "You're welcome".
Jim DeMint says we're not ready for the senate anyway.

Posted by: Entropy at September 16, 2010 11:40 AM (IsLT6)

493 Let me clue you in a bit of humor Tattoo.
I know you're being sarcastic.
I'm really not.

Posted by: Entropy at September 16, 2010 11:42 AM (IsLT6)

494 94 Mike Castle is the co-founder of the Republican Main Street Partnership, an organization funded in part by George Soros.I'll take a novice like O'Donnell over a Soros puppet any day of the week.
Posted by: Gran at September 15, 2010 11:14 PM (kmmbv)
what he/she said....

Posted by: the Butcher at September 16, 2010 11:56 AM (8g9qq)

495 Representative Democracy is overrated.

Posted by: Stuff De Plane's ancestors saud, Vol II at September 16, 2010 12:12 PM (S5YRY)

496 I know you're being sarcastic.
I'm really not.
Posted by: Entropy
You're not telling me anything I didn't already know. For people like Blue Hen who live in DE and are determined to support O'Donnell in the general, turn your guns on Coons and not Castle. You have less than two months to turn around the perception the majority of the state has that O'Donnell is as unacceptable as she was in 2006 and 2008.

Posted by: Tattoo De Plane at September 16, 2010 12:14 PM (mHQ7T)

497 "O'Donnell burned a bridge by running a scorched earth campaign"

Brazenly accuse the other side of doing what you did... You have a great future as a leftist.

Posted by: someone at September 16, 2010 12:27 PM (DfAwB)

498 I'll take it a step further. Christine O'Donnell is the new Tina Fey. Ponder that.

Posted by: Tattoo De Plane at September 16, 2010 12:36 PM (mHQ7T)

499 "This was the result of a poorly managed campaign and poorly calibrated expectations."
Because Blue Cluck knows his shit and cannot be wrong, dammit. Why won't you chuckleheads listen to MEEE!

Posted by: gary gulrud at September 16, 2010 12:51 PM (/g2vP)

500 You're not telling me anything I didn't already know. For people like Blue Hen who live in DE and are determined to support O'Donnell in the general, turn your guns on Coons and not Castle. You have less than two months to turn around the perception the majority of the state has that O'Donnell is as unacceptable as she was in 2006 and 2008.
Posted by: Tattoo De Plane at September 16, 2010 12:14 PM (mHQ7T)

And here we have weapons grade stupidity.
I was saying over two weeks ago that the Castle effort, such as it was, was backfiring. If I really wanted O'Donnell to win, why would I broadcast that? "Never interrupt your enemy while he is making a mistake." Now I have a choice between her and Coons. Castle isn't in the equation, except in your warped mind.

You like Castle, we got it. You hate O'Donnell, we got it. You want people in other places to vote as you would direct, we certtainly got that.

Posted by: Blue Hen at September 16, 2010 12:53 PM (R2fpr)

501 "This was the result of a poorly managed campaign and poorly calibrated expectations."
Because Blue Cluck knows his shit and cannot be wrong, dammit. Why won't you chuckleheads listen to MEEE!
Posted by: gary gulrud

Then what was the reason? Because she was such a great candidate? If so, then you've contradicted yourself. Because both ran great campaigns, but hers was best? If so, then you contradicted yourself again. Because of Sarah Palin? Tatoo has already made her out to be Satan herself, and he's already voiced displeasure at those who dare disagree with him.

But we'll disregard that, and listen to your first person synopsis of the conditions on the ground here.

Posted by: Blue Hen at September 16, 2010 12:57 PM (R2fpr)

502 But Castle aint a republican at all. He is a RINO. And a very liberal and unprincipled one at that. He is an ecofreak and a host of other lunatic causes. Having him running is the same as having another demcong running.

Posted by: USMC Steve at September 16, 2010 02:04 PM (mqp9H)

503 You want people in other places to vote as you would direct, we certtainly got that.

Did I tell you to vote for Coons? You're the stupid one.

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504 Tell me, do you live in a red or purple state?


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