Burning Korans...A Stupid Idea That Reveals A Lot Of People Are Stupid

Let me just say up front that the guy who wants to do this is an attention whore who is about the worst advertisement of Christianity one could imagine short of Fred Phelps. Burning Korans gives needless offensive to decent Muslims (you know, the ones who won't riot and kill over it) and accomplishes nothing. I mean, book burning? Really? If that's what you resort to as part of your "argument", you've already lost.

But enough about some band of kooks, the much more interesting story is in the reaction to this "pastor" from the MFM and the rest of the left.

I find it amusing that people like Keith Olbermann are jumping on the bandwagon to oppose this stunt on the grounds that Gen. Petraeus says it will endanger the troops. Now I have no doubt of the General's sincerity (more about that in a moment) but I find it rather interesting that suddenly the left is concerned with the impact of a protest on the safety of the troops.

Imagine the reaction if a few years back Petraeus had said anti-war protests and the constant promotion in the media of photos from Abu Gharib put American lives in danger and hurt the war effort. Do you really think Olby, Andrew Sullivan or any of their friends on the left would have suddenly cleaned up their language and taken on Code Pink, International Answers and then Senator Barack Obama?

In fact, I recall several news outlets breaking news and winning major awards for revealing national security secrets. Where was the outrage then about the danger to American lives?

Funny that, huh?

Another interesting byproduct of this situation is once again the disconnect between the "Islam equals peace" rhetoric and the reality people see on a daily basis. If Islam is so peaceful and only a "tiny minority' of Muslims are "violent extremists", why do we constantly have to be so damn sensitive to pissing them off?

When the whole Piss Christ thing happened Christians were told to suck it up and shut up. I don't remember anyone worrying about marauding bands of Presbyterians going on a murder spree over it. But when it comes to cartoons or a bunch of loons (a true 'tiny minority) burning some books, the world has to go on red alert if it involves Islam. Why is that exactly?

Naturally, some are making the story about those evil anti-Islamic conservatives. How come they never see the story is actually about the violence in the Islamic world? Now personally, I don't think terrorists need any more inducement to violence, they being terrorists and all but it would be nice if for once a liberal could find a bad guy in the world other than American conservatives.

It's also interesting that this group of idiots in Florida is seen as representing America in the Muslim world but we are forever being told by Muslim leaders not to equate Islam with the thousands of acts of terrorism conducted in the name of Islam. How do those two circles get squared?

Aren't we always told after a terror plot is connected to a Muslim that we can not and will not tolerate a backlash against innocent Muslims? Fair enough but it's a wasted warning since there never has been a backlash in America despite repeated attacks. Shouldn't those always crying about these phantom backlashes be lecturing Muslims around the world not to create a backlash against American soldiers because of the actions of a few idiots in Florida?

A final and somewhat related thought...Chris Matthews was in full lather a few weeks ago that people weren't sufficiently accepting of Obama's profession to be a Christian. It wasn't enough to simply 'take him at his word', apparently one had to go out and affirmatively vouch for what was in Obama's heart. Matthews was very clear that we are to accept what people say about their religious affiliations....

Weve got to get to Rush Limbaugh, just to complete the hat trick here. Heres Mitch McConnell, Reverend Franklin Graham, and now Rush Limbaugh today on this topic. Is Barack Obama of theeverybody watching right now, by the way, gets credit for being of the religion you say you are. You go to the church, you go to the synagogue, the mosque, whatever. Thats the one youre a member of. Thats the one you are. We accept that in America. Its called freedom of religion and respect for religion.

Apparently, the new rule is, Oh, I take him at his word, which means, I really dont really have any reason believe hes telling the truth.

...If somebody says, Im Jewish, and says, No, youre not, thats a character assault. You are who you say you are in this country. And if somebody says youre not who you say you are, youre calling you a liar!

I'd like to know if Matthews and others on the left think that applies to Muslim terrorists. Aren't we constantly told that bin Laden isn't really a Muslim, that Nidal Hasan wasn't actually practicing Islam but perverting it? Shouldn't I take these and other Muslim terrorists profession of faith as seriously as I take Obama's or anyone elses? Didn't Chris Matthews just tell me that was the rule?

Again, when it comes to Islam the rules are always different.


Added: Just to be clear about something...we are in a war that has many facets. One of them is strategic communications and double standard or not, we have to live within that reality. This post isn't about that or how to strike the right balance between exposing the truth and accepting some convenient fictions for the sake of a larger victory. I do recognize that at some levels that reality exists and has to be accommodated but this is a blog post, not a book or strategy document. My target here is the political left in America, not the greater issues involved.

Added II: Aren't liberals engaging in Islamaphobia when the assume Muslims will react to this with violence? Soft bigotry of low expectations!

Posted by: DrewM. at 11:52 AM



Comments

1 Something something. .

Posted by: Dave C at September 08, 2010 11:54 AM (4uhuW)

2 How about instead of burning the Koran, they hire an artist to create a Piss Mohammed

Posted by: phreshone at September 08, 2010 11:55 AM (1AnxB)

3 Book burning in general is a Bad Thing, and burning a holy book is simply a provocation. It would be nice if the mohammadans played by the same rules, though.

Posted by: joncelli at September 08, 2010 11:56 AM (RD7QR)

4 Muslims love us to pieces.

Posted by: Crashpanic at September 08, 2010 11:56 AM (t6BV4)

5 When the whole Piss Christ thing happened Christians were told to suck it up and shut up. I don't remember anyone worrying about marauding bands of Presbyterians going on a murder spree over it

I am taking notes and observing actions on how it's done for next time.

Posted by: Dave C at September 08, 2010 11:56 AM (4uhuW)

6 How do those two circles get squared?
1. You shut up, we'll explain.
2. We keep our heads.
3. Profit!

Posted by: MFM at September 08, 2010 11:57 AM (XdlcF)

7 burn a koran day is worthless.

burn a koran a day, on the other hand...

Posted by: daddy 8 my eyes at September 08, 2010 11:58 AM (mrv0s)

8
Sadly, when we piss of the Muslim world, they take lives.


Posted by: Lemon Kitten at September 08, 2010 11:58 AM (0fzsA)

9 "Again, when it comes to Islam the rules are always different."


revealing that (yet again) almost justifies the whole stunt.

Posted by: nine coconuts at September 08, 2010 11:58 AM (DHNp4)

10 Actually, I don't care in the least whether they burn that Koran or not. I'm not going to waste my money or my matches on it, but in theory, what's the big deal?

I am to the point of supporting it now, though, because all the right people's heads are exploding, and I'm in a bad mood.

Posted by: Ella at September 08, 2010 11:58 AM (DmnMk)

11 Koran kebabs are haram without proper condiments and spices.

Posted by: Crashpanic at September 08, 2010 11:58 AM (t6BV4)

12
It would be nice if the mohammadans played by the same rules, though
Yeah, good luck with that.

Posted by: Dang Straights at September 08, 2010 11:59 AM (fx8sm)

13 Wow, Drew, great post. Not to kiss your ass or anything, but I agree with everything you said.

Now, would you make me a sammich?

Posted by: Jane D'oh at September 08, 2010 11:59 AM (UOM48)

14 Well stated, Drew

Posted by: Captain Hate at September 08, 2010 12:00 PM (aIWP/)

15 Obama to defend right to burn the koran in 5...4...3...2...

Posted by: Crashpanic at September 08, 2010 12:00 PM (t6BV4)

16 How do those two circles get squared?

Context. It's always about context. Now mind you, the context they have in mind is "consistency be damned, we're always right," but it's context none the less, sorta.

Posted by: taylork at September 08, 2010 12:01 PM (0Hn5w)

17 Hypocrisy in liberals knows no bounds.

Posted by: ICBMMan at September 08, 2010 12:02 PM (HMGTw)

18 How about we throw this guy and the Phelps idiots and, idk, some ligers on an island and see what happens?

I agree wholeheartedly with the point that if the freaks in the Christian world are to be considered the mainstream, then this rule applies for everything. That means Bin Laden speaks for Isalm, James Lee and ELF speak for the environmental movement, etc. etc. etc. Either it applies to all or it applies to none.


Posted by: alexthechick at September 08, 2010 12:02 PM (IhJ5K)

19 Good post.

Posted by: Dr. Spank at September 08, 2010 12:03 PM (Y81Xa)

20 Oh, and where were the condemnations about Newsweek's phony Koran in the toilet incident?

Posted by: taylork at September 08, 2010 12:03 PM (0Hn5w)

21 I happen to be looking at The Prince by Machiavelli for a class I'm in at the moment. one of the first pieces of advice he gives is to not postpone conflict. That is, if someone is pissing you off, or is in the process of amassing power to the end of being able to someday seriously pissing you off, go kill them now.
Seems like a good plan to me. Give them a reason to show us why we should go kill them, and then go do it. To use Machiavelli's own words, extinguish their line.
I know I'm going to catch a shitload of flak about this, but they have shown no capacity for compromise or peace, and no capacity from learning the lessons that our diplomatic Western leadership thinks they should learn from our deference to them.
Since what we're doing ain't working, it's time to try something else. And no half-measures this time.

Posted by: Truman North at September 08, 2010 12:03 PM (HLGCA)

22 Susie, remember every time a Koran burns an angel gets his wings!

Posted by: Mary Bailey at September 08, 2010 12:05 PM (8GYOu)

23 Thanks Drew, I think this is the best analysis I have seen. You manage to make a lot of points that is seems everyone else is afraid to make.

Personally, I think the guy is a shithead, but since this is America, he is free to burn it if he chooses. That's the point.

And why shouldn't he stand against an heretical perversion of his religion? Doesn't he, and every preacher, stand up every week and tell people that all the other books are blasphemous? Isn't that the point? He is only doing in action what he (and every other preacher) does in words every time he preaches.

Posted by: nine coconuts at September 08, 2010 12:05 PM (DHNp4)

24 So, basically, what the media et al are telling the Christians is that to get respect, start beheading.

Posted by: nickless at September 08, 2010 12:05 PM (MMC8r)

25 constanc...
constintsi....
constanall...
constitenci..
ok what the hell is this consistent thang you speak of?

Posted by: MFMer at September 08, 2010 12:05 PM (1K+8T)

26 I'm not going to waste my money or my matches on it, but in theory, what's the big deal?

Yeah, what's the big deal? No different than burning a flag, or a picture of the President, or whatever.

Posted by: HeatherRadish at September 08, 2010 12:06 PM (Vz9lf)

27 If South Park had been allowed to air their Mohammed jokes along with their Jesus jokes, their Jew jokes, their African jokes, their gay jokes, etc. I wonder if these few dozen dopes in Florida would be getting such worldwide, even Papal, attention?


Posted by: Lincolntf at September 08, 2010 12:06 PM (hV/FZ)

28 It's not surprising that the only religion that the Left defends is the only one that hates America as much as they do.

Posted by: runningrn at September 08, 2010 12:06 PM (8GYOu)

29 Yeah, what's the big deal? No different than burning a flag, or a picture of the President, or whatever.

There you go without context again.

Posted by: taylork at September 08, 2010 12:06 PM (0Hn5w)

30 Muslims love us to in pieces.

Posted by: Crashpanic at September 08, 2010 11:56 AM

Fixed.

It's difficult for me to get my head around this "controversy." There was a time when it would be enough for everyone to protest the burning of any books, much less those of an established so-called "religion." And everyone would protest this, just as everyone would protest the burning of an American flag or just about anything that met the definition of desecration.

Now, it's all politics. And it sucks, frankly.

Loons like Olbermann and Pissy Chrissy are just as bad as small-minded redneck "preachers' who set up Koran-burnings. And just as bad as hate-filled losers like Fred Phelps, who wrap their own fears and idiocy in the Bible.

The only way we can be decent human beings now is to risk committing suicide by surrendering to the Muzzies.

I say: respect their right to their "holy" book, let them worship under the same freedoms and restrictions of law and decency that apply to everyone else.

And when they attack us, kill them. But do it in a nice, non-hostile way.

Posted by: Michael Steele at September 08, 2010 12:07 PM (Ulu3i)

31 So, if I create a "piece of art" entitled Piss Barky, everything should be okay, right?

Posted by: Jane D'oh at September 08, 2010 12:07 PM (UOM48)

32 Having just found out my husband is headed back "over thar" next year, I just wish the earth would swallow up these idiots.

Posted by: Mama AJ at September 08, 2010 12:07 PM (XdlcF)

33 Instead of just burning a Koran, this guy should also burn a Bible. That would make his point stronger, and it would be harder to say he's just against Islam.

Posted by: sydney jane at September 08, 2010 12:07 PM (T8h7U)

34 These guys have a right to burn the Koran, and therefore liberals everywhere must defend their right to do it, even if a lot of people are offended!

Isn't that what we're told about the Ground Zero Victory Mosque?

Posted by: Trimegistus at September 08, 2010 12:07 PM (Xd1FX)

35 It's not surprising that the only religion that the Left defends is the only one that hates America as much as they do.

Remember that Bin Laden tape that was filled with left-wing talking points like global warming?

Posted by: taylork at September 08, 2010 12:08 PM (0Hn5w)

36 Bwhahaha! O/T but Rush just said "Obama's name spelled backwards is Dog [God]--heh!

Posted by: runningrn at September 08, 2010 12:08 PM (8GYOu)

37
Made by the media. Thanks media. This clown has less than 50 people in his hick "church".

Posted by: Dang at September 08, 2010 12:08 PM (Chg7a)

38 ok OT, but why is it that EVEN ON FOX NEWS they keep making the claim that cutting marginal rates lowers revenue and therefore "costs" money to the government?
There are so manyred herringsin that train of thought it gives me food poisoning.

Posted by: Truman North at September 08, 2010 12:08 PM (HLGCA)

39 Great points and very well put.
Personally I could give two shits if a pastor wants to burn Korans or if an Imam wants to burn Bibles (I'm a Christiany type). They're just books to me.
As far as inflaming the Muslim world, I'm pretty sure they're born that way anywho, so fuck 'em.

Posted by: ErikW at September 08, 2010 12:08 PM (flzGQ)

40 Just another attention whore looking for his 15m of fame.
Why don't we go for the gusto and add a few more relgious books to the bonefire. Throw in some Book of Mormons, some Torah's, some copies of anything by Ron L. Hubbard... maybe a copy of the "hertical" translations of the Bible... as well as any uncannonized book of the bibles. A copy of the translations of the Dead Sea Scrolls... I'm sure we can get a huge bonfire going in no time. Lets just offend everyone...

Posted by: E L Frederick at September 08, 2010 12:09 PM (6sVH5)

41 Big hugs to Mama AJ.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at September 08, 2010 12:09 PM (UOM48)

42 So, basically, what the media et al are telling the Christians is that to get respect, start beheading.

This is something that Insty's been pounding away at for years. It goes hand in hand with Ace's point about not tolerating any talk about assassination. Some less than completely stable person is going to learn the lesson that's being taught and will act accordingly.

Posted by: alexthechick at September 08, 2010 12:09 PM (IhJ5K)

43 28 It's not surprising that the only religion that the Left defends is the only one that hates America as much as they do.
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Posted by: Truman North at September 08, 2010 12:09 PM (HLGCA)

44 You know, the left was all about flag burning, irrespective of the offense it needlessly caused to a great many Americans. I don't have a dog in this Koran burning fight at all (preference-wise, anyway), but if the kooks want to burn Korans, fucking let 'em. The left shits on my Christianity every day, so the contortions they have to go through to justify their "Koran burning needlessly offends Islam" stance is worth the price of admission.

And, right now, I say "fuck the 'decent' Muslims." Where have the multitudes of so-called decent Muslims been in repudiating the terrorism committed in the name of their faith? Where have they organized to show solidarity against their murderous brethren? Other than the bleats of a few solitary Muslims, the silence of "decent Muslims" has been deafening, which rather unceremoniously gives lie to any pretensions to decency. In that light, the risk of offending "decent Muslims" is a non-issue to me.

Posted by: Jazz at September 08, 2010 12:09 PM (hnq5i)

45 As far as inflaming the Muslim world, I'm pretty sure they're born that way anywho, so fuck 'em.

If they got inflamed any further I'm pretty sure they'd be out of the closet.

Posted by: taylork at September 08, 2010 12:10 PM (0Hn5w)

46 Again, when it comes to Islam the rules are always different.
True. Which is why I really can't get worked up about burn a Koran Day. I know its stupid, I know its dumb, but frankly, due to the double standard.....I no longer care.
When Bill Mahr starts ripping Islam like he does Christianity, maybe I will care. When Keith Olbermann gets worked up over a cross in urine and how that is offensive, I might start to care again. Until then, I'm so tired of being told to shut up, sit down and be tolerant that, well, I just don't care.

Posted by: Mallamutt at September 08, 2010 12:10 PM (OWjjx)

47 irst pieces of advice he gives is to not postpone conflict.

right after 9/11 most people did not understand islam. The knee jerk reaction was to call it a religion of peace.

slowly, very slowly, people are waking up (I highly recommend a documentary on the web called "what the west needs to know about islam")

until a majority people in the west come to understand that we are in a 14 century battle with islam and that this is not a 14 century aberration but a feature of the religion.

until that time, we had best keep our powder dry.

sadly, there is a lot that our government (which should know better) can do to confront the problem instead of giving speeches and visiting mosques.

Posted by: nine coconuts at September 08, 2010 12:10 PM (DHNp4)

48 There you go without context again.

Not really. Someone set a picture of Barry on fire at bar here in Wisconsin, and it was national headlines, the bar's owner was harassed at home, her liquor license was examined...

Same shit, different object.

Posted by: HeatherRadish at September 08, 2010 12:10 PM (Vz9lf)

49 36
Bwhahaha! O/T but Rush just said "Obama's name spelled backwards is Dog [God]--heh!

Heh, reminds me of that old joke about the dyslexic agnostic suffering from insomnia.

That's the guy that stays up at night wondering if a "Dog" exists.

Posted by: Kratos (Ghost of Sparta) at September 08, 2010 12:10 PM (9hSKh)

50 You forgot one. Suddenly it's o.k. to criticize people who, while acting within their legal rights, are nonetheless engaged in an activity that is offensive and designed purely as a provocation.

Criticize the ground zero victory mosque, even while acknowledging its developers' legal right to build it, and you're an evil, bigoted Islamophobe. No criticism can be legitimate, and the critic must be demonized.

Oddly the same rules aren't in play with this band of kooks in Florida.

Posted by: Andy at September 08, 2010 12:10 PM (5Rurq)

51 Instead of just burning a Koran, this guy should also burn a Bible. That would make his point stronger, and it would be harder to say he's just against Islam.

But burning a Bible won't have context as they are doing this to "commemorate" 9/11.

Posted by: runningrn at September 08, 2010 12:10 PM (8GYOu)

52 Obama to defend right to burn the koran in 5...4...3...2...

Yes! Obama's stated clarified position on the Ground Zero Mosque is that the First Amendment guarantees the right of anyone to build a house of worship anywhere that the zoning laws allow, but that he expresses no opinion on the wisdom of putting one there. He didn't have to take any position on the issue, but he took one. Think we can get Obama to make a statement defending every American's right to set fire to a Koran, without passing judgment on the wisdom of doing so?

Similarly, I expect the left to make passionate statements defending this exercise of the right of free speech... but I'm not holding my breath.

Posted by: Masturbatin' Pete at September 08, 2010 12:11 PM (u70z9)

53 Not really. Someone set a picture of Barry on fire at bar here in Wisconsin, and it was national headlines, the bar's owner was harassed at home, her liquor license was examined...

Obviously a criminal offense with deep, dark KKK racist overtones. A burning Bush, however, is perfectly ok.

Posted by: runningrn at September 08, 2010 12:12 PM (8GYOu)

54 Where have the multitudes of so-called decent Muslims been in
repudiating the terrorism committed in the name of their faith? Where
have they organized to show solidarity against their murderous brethren?

Islam is a religion of peace. Those people are not really Muslim.

That's about the totality for 90% of them.

Posted by: taylork at September 08, 2010 12:12 PM (0Hn5w)

55 I've gotta go do stuff. In the meantime, f**k the Koran and it's followers.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at September 08, 2010 12:12 PM (UOM48)

56 http://www.eyeblast.tv/public/video.aspx?v=hd8zIrVrVr

link for above mentioned documentary: Islam, what the West needs to know (98 min)

It is long, but very good. Highly recommended

Posted by: nine coconuts at September 08, 2010 12:12 PM (DHNp4)

57 "But burning a Bible won't have context as they are doing this to "commemorate" 9/11."
Maybe wait and just burn a Whole Earth Catalog on Earth Day.

Posted by: Joanie (Oven Gloves) at September 08, 2010 12:13 PM (HaYO4)

58 Since it is fire season where I live, I am prevented from burning a koran. I will be tearing out pages, throwing them in the toilet, and taking pictures.

Posted by: Moi at September 08, 2010 12:14 PM (Ez4Ql)

59 Not really. Someone set a picture of Barry on fire at bar here in
Wisconsin, and it was national headlines, the bar's owner was harassed
at home, her liquor license was examined.

I was being sarcastic. Sorry it didn't come across in the post.

I'm just using "context" as the media foil for otherwise being totally inconsistent.

Posted by: taylork at September 08, 2010 12:14 PM (0Hn5w)

60 Having just found out my husband is headed back "over thar" next year, I just wish the earth would swallow up these idiots.

Posted by: Mama AJ at September 08, 2010 12:07 PM (XdlcF)

Sorry to hear that. I'll keep your family in my thoughts and prayers.

Posted by: runningrn at September 08, 2010 12:14 PM (8GYOu)

61 Thanks, Jane!

Posted by: Mama AJ at September 08, 2010 12:14 PM (XdlcF)

62 When the whole Piss Christ thing happened Christians were told to
suck it up and shut up. I don't remember anyone worrying about marauding
bands of Presbyterians going on a murder spree over it
I suppose that if a Presbyterian went to the museum and yelled aloud "Allāhu Akbar" that the guard would have just let him/her smash the shit out of the jar of urine and run off with the crucifix from within.

Posted by: Neo at September 08, 2010 12:16 PM (tE8FB)

63 If we could just get a canonical list of things it's OK to burn (effigies of W, American flags, Bibles, draft cards) and things it's not OK to burn (pictures of Barry, Korans, firewood, coal)...

Posted by: HeatherRadish at September 08, 2010 12:16 PM (Vz9lf)

64 On top of it all, for weeks now we have been lectured by the Left that the Muslims have a right to build the GZM and that we are infringing on that right when we say the GZM is a bad idea and disrespectful to those who died on 9/11.

This Guy in Florida has a 1st Amendment Right to burn the Koran. While it is a bad idea and disrespectful of Islam, why isn't the Left applying the same standard of protecting his rights?

I think it would be a great stunt if this Pastor holds the Koran in one hand and a lighter in the other. Just before he lights the book, he stops and says "The 1st Amendment gives me the Right to burn this book. The 1st Amendment give them the Right to build the Ground Zero Mosque. Both acts disrespect the views of the other. I'm not going to burn this book out of respect for Islam. I ask the builders of the GZM to show the same respect to the people of New York."

Posted by: Eric at September 08, 2010 12:16 PM (Fr/Pc)

65 It's hard for me to get worked up about this. Burning Mein Kampf or Mao's Little Red Book wouldn't trouble me, either. Heck, you could even pull a Barry and burn some books by Churchill.

If drawing cartoons or saying you're going to burn a book elicits such violence, then maybe it's not really a religion.

Posted by: t-bird at September 08, 2010 12:16 PM (FcR7P)

66 Related: "Hartford City Council Meetings to Begin with Muslim Prayers"

An e-mail from the Common Council called it "an act of solidarity with our Muslim brothers and sisters."

The email even referenced the ongoing issue in New York. "One of the goals of the Council is to give a voice to the many diverse peoples of the City, which is especially important given the recent anti-Islam events throughout the country."
==========
And the Islamization of America continues...

Posted by: Clyde Shelton at September 08, 2010 12:17 PM (NITzp)

67 So let me get this straight...the media is condemning this Koran burning but no one would even know about it if the media hadn't put it on the air?

Posted by: Deanna at September 08, 2010 12:17 PM (e5xjv)

68 I need to get a bigger Toaster.
The Koran doesn't fit in mine.

Posted by: garrett at September 08, 2010 12:18 PM (h6YHB)

69 Can we burn blasphemous cartoons of Mohammed?

Posted by: HeatherRadish at September 08, 2010 12:18 PM (Vz9lf)

70 This clown has less than 50 people in his hick "church".

You city people got some strange ideas. A church with regular attendance like that is what we call big and crowded out here.

Posted by: John Galt at September 08, 2010 12:19 PM (F/4zf)

71 I'm going to have to agree with the great philospher Jim Treacher:
Unless you're cold, it's dark, or you need to cook something, burning stuff is stupid.

Posted by: Mama AJ at September 08, 2010 12:19 PM (XdlcF)

72 Is this koran burning going to be on pay for view?

Posted by: Dr. Spank at September 08, 2010 12:19 PM (Y81Xa)

Posted by: HeatherRadish at September 08, 2010 12:19 PM (Vz9lf)

74 As of mid 2010, we accept the Pew Forum's estimate 1.57 billion as the most reliable estimate.
With that number, they represent about 22% of the world's population. They are the second largest religion in the world. Only Christianity is larger, with 33% of the world's inhabitants -- a little over 2 billion.
Islam is growing about 2.9% per year. This is faster than the total world population which increases about 2.3% annually. It is thus attracting a progressively larger percentage of the world's population.

So even if only 5-10% of Muslims are "extremists", that's still a boatload of people. Pretty scary that Islam is growing faster than the world population.

Posted by: runningrn at September 08, 2010 12:19 PM (8GYOu)

75 If I had a better head start, I'd set up a porta-potty there using pages from 'The Audacity of Hope' as toilet paper.

Guarantee the Koran thing would disappear from the media focus.

Posted by: DarkLordOfTheIntarWebs at September 08, 2010 12:19 PM (IkEhE)

76 One question -- at the protests in the middle east over this it was reported that the crowds burned flags, effigies, etc. Did they burn any bibles or torahs?

I bet they did but the reporters filtered it.

Posted by: nine coconuts at September 08, 2010 12:19 PM (DHNp4)

77 I agree with the poster upthread-- we are in a war that will be fought, either now or later. We must keep the other side reacting to us...keep provoking them so they respond, and then we can retaliate to their response.

Doesn't "an eye for an eye leave the whole world blind?" Not if you poke out the eyes of the opposing team first.

Posted by: Craig at September 08, 2010 12:20 PM (xP8Aq)

78 Why do you wingnuts hate hate the First Amendment? They have a right to do this, and that's all that matters. That's what makes this country great. Why do you Rethugs hate America???


oh wait, sorry, thought we were talking about the Ground Zero Mosque Islamic Peace Center located somewhere in New York. Nevermind.

Posted by: Lefty McMoonbat at September 08, 2010 12:20 PM (2jQGY)

79 Posted by: HeatherRadish at September 08, 2010 12:19 PM (Vz9lf)

Radish, was that supposed to be the face of Mohammed?

Posted by: runningrn at September 08, 2010 12:20 PM (8GYOu)

80 What if it's on Kindle, does that make a difference?

Posted by: Joanie (Oven Gloves) at September 08, 2010 12:20 PM (HaYO4)

81 You know, even if the korans weren't burnt, they islamofacists would still be trying to kill us. Why should we pander to their beliefs and sensitivities when they do not respect ours. Wanna build a mosque less than 2 blocks from the WTC, we give you monkey on your back, which is people can burn books as an expression of free speech.

Do I think this is asinine, of course, burning books is always bad, but free speech is a cherished right in this country.

Posted by: Penfold at September 08, 2010 12:20 PM (1PeEC)

82 Is this koran burning going to be on pay for view?
Posted by: Dr. Spank at September 08, 2010 12:19 PM (Y81Xa)

Nah I bet it is on free tv and will get more spectators than they do at a Mets Game

Posted by: nevergiveup at September 08, 2010 12:20 PM (0GFWk)

83 I just had an idea. If the muzzies think Obama is one of them, then they
should blame Obama for letting the book burning take place. After all,
it is his country.

Posted by: Pawn at September 08, 2010 12:21 PM (emF0q)

84 Related: "Hartford City Council Meetings to Begin with Muslim Prayers"

Yesterday that article said they never opened with prayers before, today it says they do. Huh.

Posted by: HeatherRadish at September 08, 2010 12:21 PM (Vz9lf)

85 I think it would be a great stunt if this Pastor
holds the Koran in one hand and a lighter in the other. Just before he
lights the book, he stops and says "The 1st Amendment gives me the Right
to burn this book. The 1st Amendment give them the Right to build the
Ground Zero Mosque. Both acts disrespect the views of the other. I'm
not going to burn this book out of respect for Islam. I ask the
builders of the GZM to show the same respect to the people of New York."

Posted by: Eric at September 08, 2010 12:16 PM

Great thought, but I can't be hopeful about this.

Some "pastors" are as narrow-minded and intolerant as those they hate. For this guy to show some actual sense, it'd take more mental effort than Osama Obama, Bloomberg and the rest of the America-haters have displayed.

Posted by: MrScribbler at September 08, 2010 12:21 PM (Ulu3i)

86 It's going to be a real letdown for the media if these guys only have a box or two of korans to burn. Anything less than a truckload is just going to come off looking like some kind of sad weenie roast.

Posted by: Ted Kennedy's Gristle Encased Head at September 08, 2010 12:21 PM (+lsX1)

87 I find it amusing that people like Keith Olbermann are jumping on the bandwagon to oppose this stunt on the grounds that Gen. Petraeus says it will endanger the troops. Now I have no doubt of the General's sincerity (more about that in a moment) but I find it rather interesting that suddenly the left is concerned with the impact of a protest on the safety of the troops.

We saw something similar with the firing of Gen. Whassisface, the guy in the Rolling Stone article. The left was outraged, outraged, that an officer would show or tolerate disrespect to a (Democrat) president.

Posted by: Masturbatin' Pete at September 08, 2010 12:21 PM (u70z9)

88 Burning a koran or building a mosque at ground zero are both protected by the first amendment. As to the wisdom of either action......

Posted by: Bill R. at September 08, 2010 12:21 PM (EhlQq)

89 Imagine the reaction if a few years back Petraeus had said anti-war
protests and the constant promotion in the media of photos from Abu
Gharib put American lives in danger and hurt the war effort. Do you
really think Olby, or Andrew Sullivan any of their friends on the left would have suddenly cleaned up
their language and taken on Code Pink, International Answers and then
Senator Barack Obama?

Well, yeah, I guess after the 100th time the media ran Abu
Gharib pictures I did have them all in my spank bank, so there wasn't much reason to keep showing them.

Posted by: Andi Sulllivan at September 08, 2010 12:21 PM (7BU4a)

90 Radish, was that supposed to be the face of Mohammed?

That was a cat walking across my laptop.

Posted by: HeatherRadish at September 08, 2010 12:21 PM (Vz9lf)

91 Yes, they have the "right" to burn them. Yes, Islam does not afford the same tolerance to Christianity that Christianity generally affords Islam. But at its very fundamental interpretation, Christianity is predicated on a world view in which the world is reconciled to God by God's actions, not man's. That world view necessarily requires Christians to engage the world in love. Burning Korans or any other faith's sacred texts is not how we are called to engage the world.

Posted by: BigDaddy1964 at September 08, 2010 12:21 PM (pOcKt)

92 Do I think this is asinine, of course, burning books is always bad, but free speech is a cherished right in this country.
Posted by: Penfold at September 08, 2010 12:20 PM (1PeEC)And Gen Patraeus was NOT commenting on the free speech angle at all. Just on how it might effect his mission and the troops under him

Posted by: nevergiveup at September 08, 2010 12:22 PM (0GFWk)

93 What if it's on an iPad and you are just using an app that makes flames appear?

Posted by: Mama AJ at September 08, 2010 12:22 PM (XdlcF)

94 Off-Topic, but WOW:

Check out Dem-leaning PPP's latest poll of Maine. Where Barack Obama's approval rating is 44%-51%. And Republican Paul LePage leads Libby Mitchell (D) and Elliot Cutler (I) by a margin of 43-29-11.

I'll repeat. 43-29-11. Add up Cutler and Mitchell and you still don't get to the margin that LePage has. I would be seriously interested in seeing some polling on ME's two congressional seats, specifically ME-2. It could one of those "holy shit wtf?" seats that goes in November.

Posted by: Jeff B. at September 08, 2010 12:22 PM (NjYDy)

95 Imagine" that Petreaus said that the left was hurting the war effort ? Nope can't imagine that. BUT he did say that buring that book would endanger our troops. What if he speaks out on the Mosque construction ? And no Deanna the World could know through bloggers. And remember that the 2nd largest Fox News stockholder outside the Murdoch family is also financing that mosque

Posted by: beelzebub's burp at September 08, 2010 12:22 PM (I+7Zv)

96 DrewM, you wrote a good post. Real good. The title had me misled a bit, but your post cleared everything up.
Gabriel Malor wrote a post about this, and he andPurple Avenger spent a lot of time in the comments too.
All I'm gonna say about that is their arguements left me very unconvinced as to the wisdom of their position.
As for me, burning or desicrating holy books or icons or whatnot isn't something I think is cool. Same with burning the flag.
But... oposition to the above uncoolness has got to be limited to peaceful speech/debate.
But everyone is looking at this Koran burning thing as possibly causing violent responses.
Which is totally unacceptable.
Which is why I have to come down on the side of "I may disagree with what you are say, but I will defend/fight to the death for your right to say it."*
We can't let speech, obnoxious and offensive as it may be, be subject to being suppress by fear of violence.
*I don'tknow the exact quote I think it's by Voltaire, but I'm not sure.

Posted by: Ed at September 08, 2010 12:22 PM (Zsqn4)

97 Truman - go for the A, read Machiavelli's other works too. (Or, at least enough to quote for the essay part of the test.) If your teacher does not love you, make sure she fears you.

Posted by: Jean at September 08, 2010 12:22 PM (9e8Ti)

98 OT - Jim Geraghty at NRO links to a A. Grayson campaign ad LINK

headline: Thats It, Children . . . Chant the Name of Your Master!


As for a Koran burning, well, it's dumb and insulting. And it's constitutional. Anyone up for Triumph The Insult Dog?


Posted by: mrp at September 08, 2010 12:23 PM (HjPtV)

99 81, good point, Joanie.

I'm going to delete a soft copy of the Koran today!

Posted by: t-bird at September 08, 2010 12:23 PM (FcR7P)

100 #85 Yesterday that article said they never opened with prayers before, today it says they do. Huh.

Who'd thunk.

By the way, when are those stalwart defenders of liberty, the ACLU, going to arrive to protest this obvious violation of the separation of church and state?

Posted by: Kratos (Ghost of Sparta) at September 08, 2010 12:23 PM (9hSKh)

101 Maybe wait and just burn a Whole Earth Catalog on Earth Day.

Is it too cold out for a barbecue?

Posted by: someone else at September 08, 2010 12:24 PM (/hia0)

102 Adam Baldwin nailed it last night on his twitter.
"Which is worse for the troops:1) Sen. Reid saying "this war is lost"; 2) PrezBO setting withdrawal date; 3) private citizens burning a book? "

Posted by: buzzion at September 08, 2010 12:24 PM (oVQFe)

103
I'll note that a legal expert has opined that they have a right to build it there burn it there. I would be much happier if they simply had a pig roast were they read from the Koran. Could charge admission, make money for their mission, maybe have the Gator game on a big screen somewhere for those not interested in the Verse of the Sword.

Really, these leftards need to read the Koran. Then allow that a significant majority of Muslims believe its words to be the literal words of Allah. Then they can square the circles of the Religion of Peace with killing the infidel, the Jew and the apostate.

I expect to hear exploding heads.

Posted by: I R A Darth Aggie at September 08, 2010 12:24 PM (1hM1d)

104 I hope that whack job in FL gets all of the worlds attention focused on him - and burns Obama's and Krugman's books instead.

Posted by: Jean at September 08, 2010 12:24 PM (9usBU)

105 And I guess you now count Petreaus as a lefty since he believes that muslims will react to this violently

Posted by: beelzebub's burp at September 08, 2010 12:24 PM (I+7Zv)

106 Let me just say up front that the guy who wants to do this is an
attention whore who is about the worst advertisement of Christianity one
could imagine short of Fred Phelps.

Well, on the other hand, the pastor is performing a service actually. The State Media tell us that Islam = peace constantly, and yet the second someone provokes Islam like this, the State Media tells us Muslims are easily roused to anger and should be appeased. So, the pastor's actions basically disprove the media narrative as you note in passing.


Posted by: 18-1 at September 08, 2010 12:25 PM (7BU4a)

107 Also, a lot of our fellow morons are having problems with this being done by a Church, saying this is the wrong approach for a Christian Church and Love thy Neighbor and whatnot.
Which is cool, but I am totally not addressing the religeous aspects in my arguments. Just the free speach aspects.

Posted by: Ed at September 08, 2010 12:25 PM (Zsqn4)

108 Koran burning: They have the right but it isn't right.

Mosque building at Ground Zero: They have the right but it isn't right.

Posted by: MaxMBJ at September 08, 2010 12:25 PM (90bLF)

109 Where are they getting the Korans to burn? Think about that.

Posted by: Robin at September 08, 2010 12:25 PM (VY112)

110 I just had an idea. If the muzzies think Obama is one of them, then they
should blame Obama for letting the book burning take place. After all,
it is his country.

No, "his country" is either Kenya or Indonesia.

Of course I don't really mean that, but if any pollster asks me if I know what Obama's religion is, or where I think he was born, I'm
going to say he's a devout Muslim who was born in Kenya, and I'm going to say I learned
that from a joint statement made by
Beck/Palin/Rove/Limbaugh/Hannity/Bachmann/Cheney while they were
all sitting in Koch brothers' hot tub. (Did I miss anyone from the rogues
gallery of current leftist bogeymen? Maybe Fred Phelps, but given
that the dude is or was a registered Democrat, that doesn't really
work).

Why? Because I enjoy seeing how batshit crazy the left is
getting over the "Obama is a Muslim" and birther things. They just can't stop
talking about it. And by "talking about it" I mean "whining and
complaining, and insulting everyone who doesn't have a Mother Jones
subscription."

You hear that, lefties? Obama's a Muslim, he wasn't born in America, and he's not even a citizen. Now proceed with your
tantrum. Dance, monkey, dance!**

(Yes, I said "monkey" and "Obama" in the same paragraph.
Raaaaaaaacist!)

Posted by: Masturbatin' Pete at September 08, 2010 12:26 PM (u70z9)

111 The left has, and will continue to use anything to paint conservatives as barbarians.

Wouldn't matter what it was.

Posted by: Unclefacts, AoSHQ Pro Debate Team, Bacon Raconteur at September 08, 2010 12:26 PM (eCAn3)

112 A final and somewhat related thought...Chris Matthews was in full lather a few weeks ago that people weren't sufficiently accepting of Obama's profession to be a Christian. It wasn't enough to simply 'take him at his word', apparently one had to go out and affirmatively vouch for what was in Obama's heart.

Right now, "Barky's word" is all we have and knowabout Barky.
I'll consider taking Barky "at his word" the day afterhe unseals his past which he has taken such care and expenseto conceal from the whole world.

Posted by: Speller at September 08, 2010 12:26 PM (qaOKJ)

113 is that a bad thing?

Posted by: Jean at September 08, 2010 12:27 PM (9e8Ti)

114 114 had to paint conservatives as barbarians. in quotes?

Posted by: Jean at September 08, 2010 12:28 PM (Hu4Fg)

115 Very good post. I agree about the hypocrisy but I also believe in order to avoid our own hypocrisy, I believe other Christian churches should speak up loudly against this stupidity.

Posted by: polynikes

Thank you-I agree with this wholeheartedly. I do find it interesting that Pam Geller at Atlas Shrugs said that this group has ties to Westboro. I can't find any corroboration for that, but if it's the case, then A) they aren't Christian, and B) they are doing this in the hopes of someone stopping them, and thus allowing them to sue for infringement of 1st amendment rights. So it's possibly a "legal lottery" ploy.

And 68-thank you Deanna, no one would know about this if the fracking media hadn't given them a platform. It's almost as if the MFM WANTS Americans to die at the hands of irate Muslims.

For what it's worth, there are protests and riots in a number of Middle East countries at American Embassies there. State department weenies get on my nerves, but they don't deserve to die for serving overseas. My bigger fear is for Christians and Christian missionaries in those areas, who will be targeted by marauding groups. Please pray for them and their safety. And Mama AJ, prayers for your hubby too.

Posted by: moki at September 08, 2010 12:28 PM (dZmFh)

116 I think the whole book burning thing is stupid, BUT the folks over there are buring flags and people in effigy at just the mention of burning Korans - does anyone else think it is just another excuse to be violent?

Posted by: Robin at September 08, 2010 12:29 PM (VY112)

117 My target here is the political left in America, not the greater issues involved.

When it comes to the left/liberals/progressives, whatever you want to call them, there is little more to it than their simpleminded application of the old proverb, "The enemy of my enemy is my friend."

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of NAN's books, a copy of which was obtained by The Post

Posted by: Dustoff at September 08, 2010 12:30 PM (fKPuo)

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121 So, if I create a "piece of art" entitled Piss Barky, everything should be okay, right?

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Posted by: Herr Morgenholz at September 08, 2010 12:30 PM (5aa4z)

122 Not really. Someone set a picture of Barry on fire at bar here in
Wisconsin, and it was national headlines, the bar's owner was harassed
at home, her liquor license was examined.

One sign as to how differently the left and the right approach politics is the way leftwing bureaucrats ALWAYS go after people that cross them. We should not accept the Joe the Plumber treatment as a response to opposing liberal policies, though I confess I'm not sure what we can do about it.

Heck, they went after Bush with something very similar with the whole Plame affair.

Posted by: 18-1 at September 08, 2010 12:30 PM (7BU4a)

123 O/T -- Rush just gives his two cents on the Castle/O'Donnell race and all the party "purists" dumping on O'Donnell. Castle has voted 99% of the time with Obama. Guess who Rush is rooting for regardless of total Rs vs Ds.

Posted by: RushBabe at September 08, 2010 12:30 PM (a3Z62)

124 I would be seriously interested in seeing some polling on ME's two congressional seats, specifically ME-2. It could one of those "holy shit wtf?" seats that goes in November.
Posted by: Jeff B. at September 08, 2010 12:22 PM (NjYDy)
Actually I'd kind of like to know how the candidates fall on a conservative scale in relation to Collins and Snow. Because if they are more conservative then I'd like to see them as a template for primary opposition when those two are up for re-election.

Posted by: buzzion at September 08, 2010 12:31 PM (oVQFe)

125 If they wrapped the Koran in the American flag first, would liberals be OK with them burning it?
I think it would be a great stunt if this Pastor holds the Koran in one hand and a lighter in the other. Just before he lights the book, he stops and says "The 1st Amendment gives me the Right to burn this book. The 1st Amendment give them the Right to build the Ground Zero Mosque. Both acts disrespect the views of the other. I'm not going to burn this book out of respect for Islam. I ask the builders of the GZM to show the same respect to the people of New York."
Good idea. I was thinking that the pastor should let the hysteria build and then cancel the burning, saying that the violent reaction of Muslims to even the thought of the Koran being burned proves his point about Islam being a violent religion.

Posted by: Pervy Grin at September 08, 2010 12:31 PM (OxKj2)

126 71

The point is , he ain't Robert Schuller and the Crystal Cathedral.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at September 08, 2010 12:32 PM (9Cooa)

127 Radish, was that supposed to be the face of Mohammed?That was a cat walking across my laptop.

Heh! I thought you were doing a South Park kind of thing sans bear costume!

Posted by: runningrn at September 08, 2010 12:32 PM (8GYOu)

128 Posted by: beelzebub's burp at September 08, 2010 12:22 PM (I+7Zv)
And looks like the name Denny Crane got too well known for John Ryan.

Posted by: buzzion at September 08, 2010 12:32 PM (oVQFe)

129 Here's the thing, will it really make things worse for Petraeus' troops? How will we see a difference and long for the good old days of 2010?

Bombs is bombs. The condition of a book in Florida is not the issue.

Posted by: t-bird at September 08, 2010 12:32 PM (FcR7P)

130 I just had an idea. If the muzzies think Obama is one of them, then they
should blame Obama for letting the book burning take place. After all,
it is his country.

By the way, according to Islamic law, if your father was a Muslim, you are too.

Posted by: 18-1 at September 08, 2010 12:32 PM (7BU4a)

131 Well if they don't burn the korans how am I going to save the day by dumping these 55 gallon drums of pig urine on the fire to save the holy books.

If we had different ROE and we were fighting a war like we wanted to win I'd be all for this. Flush em out..mow em down.

But thanks to hearts and minds campaigns that's a no go.

Posted by: evil libertarian at September 08, 2010 12:33 PM (PZ3qH)

132 126:

Sort of like G-d testing Abraham when He told him to sacrifice Isaac, right?

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at September 08, 2010 12:33 PM (9Cooa)

133 Not really. Someone set a picture of Barry on fire at bar here in Wisconsin, and it was national headlines, the bar's owner was harassed at home, her liquor license was examined.Heck, they went after Bush with something very similar with the whole Plame affair.

This could have been funnier if Valerie's last name was "Flame"--heh!

Posted by: runningrn at September 08, 2010 12:33 PM (8GYOu)

134 56
I've gotta go do stuff. In the meantime, f**k the Koran and it's followers.


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Posted by: Unclefacts, AoSHQ Pro Debate Team, Bacon Raconteur at September 08, 2010 12:34 PM (eCAn3)

135 Well, this is that honest discussion that Imam Crash Roof wanted. All kinds of insult is heaped on heartland America, and they are told to shut up. But when idiots are burning the Koran, it is a national security threat, because we are at war with Islam after all. I didn't approve of Bill Ayers stomping on the flag on 911, but that is his Constitutional right. I didn't approve of the NYT running it on the front page on September 11, 2001, but that is their Constitutional right. I didn't approve of Rev. Wright saying, "God Damn AmeriKKKa," but that is his Constitutional right. Let them burn the Koran. It's a free fucking country.

Posted by: Tattoo De Plane at September 08, 2010 12:34 PM (mHQ7T)

136 Can I carry a scimitar for self-defense?

Posted by: Concerned Christian Conservative at September 08, 2010 12:34 PM (LEynS)

137
If it makes the lefties bleat and moan, I'm all for it; hell I might burn one too.

Posted by: Dang Straights at September 08, 2010 12:34 PM (fx8sm)

138 This is just the Muslim Outrage d' Jure... it will be some other manufactured outrage tomorrow. It really does not matter what we do, they will find somthing to get angry over...
Its instructive that the 500 person protest in Afganistan about this, chanted "Death to America", and threw rocks at passing American vehicles... and this is BEFORE anything has been burned.
I also cringe when I see an American General commenting on Internal American Politics. The long tradition is for the Politicians, such as Sec Def, or the Pres and VP to comment... but Generals should not comment IMO... Patton and McArthur both got canned for doing so... and then of course there is always Custer as an example...

Posted by: Romeo13 at September 08, 2010 12:34 PM (H+oXM)

139 Doesn't "an eye for an eye leave the whole world blind?" Not if you poke out the eyes of the opposing team first.~Craig

Two wrongs don't make a right. But THREE breaks a TIE!

Posted by: Speller at September 08, 2010 12:35 PM (qaOKJ)

140 Does Chrissy Tingles think calling Obama a muslim is an insult of some kind? Just wondering...

Posted by: The Mega Independent at September 08, 2010 12:35 PM (5I0Yr)

141 Thanks, runningrn and moki.
He's going to Kuwait and it's only 6 months this time and it's not til next year, so we're feeling very fortunate.
Yep, it's just peachy.

Posted by: Mama AJ, almost believing it herself at September 08, 2010 12:35 PM (XdlcF)

142 If they really wanted to jerk everyone's chain, they should do this:
build the bonfire and place a bulky sealed package, prominently labeled "Korans",on the bonfire such that only the pastor really knows what is inside the package.

Posted by: rtw at September 08, 2010 12:35 PM (7P+Di)

143 If they burn the book, it proves to the mussies twisted thinking that Obama is an apostate. Therefore this is a personal national security issue . Obama needs to stop it now or he's gonna blow his retirement in Indonesia.

Posted by: Pawn at September 08, 2010 12:35 PM (emF0q)

144 I don't do it, but it wouldn't really bother me to go out an burn a koran a day, but not involving anyone else. Not in anyone's name or involving anyone else'sbeliefs. Just me.
That's the difference here, imo. This brainless fuck pulls a lot of other people down with him without their consent and that's wrong. Along the same lines as Barry apologizing for the actions of my country that I was, and am, proud of. He had no business speaking for, or involving me in his distorted, perverted belief set.

Posted by: Hussein the Plumber at September 08, 2010 12:36 PM (RkRxq)

145 I also cringe when I see an American General commenting on Internal American Politics. The long tradition is for the Politicians, such as Sec Def, or the Pres and VP to comment... but Generals should not comment IMO... Patton and McArthur both got canned for doing so... and then of course there is always Custer as an example...

Posted by: Romeo13 at September 08, 2010 12:34 PM (H+oXM)

He did NOT comment on the politic or the legality of koran burning but ONLY on the effect it might have on his mission and his troops.

Posted by: nevergiveup at September 08, 2010 12:36 PM (0GFWk)

146 It seems to me that the Mooselimbs have proven everything the pastor says about them through their reaction to the proposed Koran burning. Hate, violence, the whole enchilada. And the libtards line up to suck their dicks. Check out Youtube for Koran burning. Then check for Bible burning. Look at the difference of how each is handled. Fuck them. Burn the Koran.

Posted by: maddogg at September 08, 2010 12:36 PM (OlN4e)

147 So, if I create a "piece of art" entitled Piss Barky, everything should be okay, right? http://tinyurl.com/2vj23qr
Posted by: Herr Morgenholz at September 08, 2010 12:30 PM (5aa4z)

Heh! Usually it the Dog doesn't get peed on. It's usually the one peeing.

Posted by: runningrn at September 08, 2010 12:37 PM (8GYOu)

148 If the Koran is so special to them, I say let them prove it. We should say that for every American soldier killed or injured, we burn the Koran. If they do not want the Koran hurt, don't hurt our soldiers.

Posted by: chillin the most at September 08, 2010 12:38 PM (6IV8T)

149 He's going to Kuwait and it's only 6 months this time and it's not til next year, so we're feeling very fortunate.
Yep, it's just peachy.

Well thank you all for his service. Would he like a Moron care package?

Posted by: runningrn at September 08, 2010 12:38 PM (8GYOu)

150 Sadly, when we piss of the Muslim world, they take lives.
Posted by: Lemon Kitten at September 08, 2010 11:58 AM (0fzsA)
As opposed to any other day that ends in "y"?

Posted by: RushBabe at September 08, 2010 12:38 PM (a3Z62)

151
Much of the Islamic world is a sensitive cowardly drama-queen freak show. A drama-queen freak show that happens to have teeth.

We don't need to have our own freak-show.
Already the Muslim world is burning Pastor Jones in effigy along with the American flag.


It is funny to watch as liberals jump to the defense of Islam. If Christianity or any Christian symbol is being trashed, liberals just turn up their noses.

Posted by: Lemon Kitten at September 08, 2010 12:38 PM (0fzsA)

152 If Christianity or any Christian symbol is being trashed, liberals just turn up their noses.

Posted by: Lemon Kitten at September 08, 2010 12:38 PM (0fzsA)


It's the liberals who are doing the trashing

Posted by: nevergiveup at September 08, 2010 12:39 PM (0GFWk)

153 The liberal response is different because it is a group of Christians doing this. If it were a secular group protesting the harmful ideology of Islam, the response would be different. If it were an atheist peeing, well then it could be celebrated.

Posted by: lauren at September 08, 2010 12:40 PM (YdO1C)

154 Don't burn that Koran! It's got all my schoolwork in it!

Posted by: B to the Zero at September 08, 2010 12:40 PM (FcR7P)

155 I agree with vanderleuen; an american city is going to have to be sacrificed before most americans wake up.

Posted by: The Audacity of the Bamboozlement!?!?! at September 08, 2010 12:41 PM (xRcKp)

156 I hope that whack job in FL gets all of the worlds attention focused on him - and burns Obama's and Krugman's books instead.
Posted by: Jean

I think it would be a great stunt if this Pastor holds the Koran in one hand and a lighter in the other. Just before he lights the book, he stops and says "The 1st Amendment gives me the Right to burn this book. The 1st Amendment give them the Right to build the Ground Zero Mosque. Both acts disrespect the views of the other. I'm not going to burn this book out of respect for Islam. I ask the builders of the GZM to show the same respect to the people of New York."

This would require forethought, and an actual desire to call attention to what Islam is all about. I think this fellow is an attention whore, and it's all about him and his fifteen minutes of fame. "When you pray, do not be like the hypocrites for they love to pray standing ...in the street corners, to be seen by men. I tell you the truth, they have received their reward in full." (Mt 6:5) I think this could apply to these yahoos.
Great idea!

Posted by: moki at September 08, 2010 12:42 PM (dZmFh)

157 actually, he said "murdered" not "sacrificed."

Posted by: The Audacity of the Bamboozlement!?!?! at September 08, 2010 12:42 PM (xRcKp)

158 Yeah, and we shouldn't ban Mein Kampf either. It's the Holy Book of Nazism. Although Hitler was like Mohammed in that he was an anti-Semitic warmongering sexist, he wasn't a paedophile.

Posted by: Eliminate the Koran at September 08, 2010 12:43 PM (H643i)

159 Having the *right* to do it means they *must* do it. The sensitivities of others are irrelevant.
I'll leave it to you to decide whether I'm referring to the Jihad Victory Mosque or the burning of the Koran. I'm obviously not referring to both because, hell, that would require some sort ofconsistency.
Although not necessarily. Some clown burns a Koran and no one has to watch and it's allover in a few minutes. Oh, and he's not doing it 600 yards from where some fanatical Christians murdered 2,752 human beings in the name of their God, with the tacit support of tens of millions of their fellow believers.
The mosque will be there for decades or even centuries, a physical edifice just yards from the monument to thousands murdered in the name of Islam, and people - visitors to the monument included - will have to walk by the damn thing and look at the damn thing, whether they want to or not, for years to come.

Posted by: Wilkey at September 08, 2010 12:43 PM (tBrQI)

160 Christians and Christian missionaries are routinely persecuted by Muslims. Bibles are forbidden in Saudi Arabia, along with rosaries, crosses, crucifixes, holy cards, etc., etc. Christian churches are demolished in Pakistan and parishoners are killed without a burp from from the international media. It is hard for me to work up a lather about the ramifications of a tiny church in the USA burning some Korans, when agents of the Magic Kingdom burn Christian bibles by the barrel-full every year.

It seems every day Dinner Jacket and the ayatollahs promise a rain of destruction on Israel; call us the Great Satan; pay assassins top dollar to murder Americans in Afghanistan - and we're supposed to condemn some idiots because they want to burn Korans. Like Islamists are suddenly going to be APPEASED because we told fellow Christians to JUST SHUT UP because otherwise, Muslim mobs will kill Christians? Like they so often do in Nigeria? Give me a break.

Posted by: mrp at September 08, 2010 12:43 PM (HjPtV)

161
o/t: The face of pure evil on top at Drudge.


Posted by: Lemon Kitten at September 08, 2010 12:43 PM (0fzsA)

162 In fact, I recall several news outlets breaking news and winning major awards for revealing national security secrets. Where was the outrage then about the danger to American lives?
You know, it's as ifthe Demohollymediacademic sector places almost no intrinsic value on American lives,military or civilian,whatever - except of course asstalking horsesto weaken American security, resolve, and power.
And what the hell is that awful stench, anyway? Are we near the NYT building or CNN HQ?

Posted by: sherlock at September 08, 2010 12:44 PM (h6sl7)

163 Nice post, Drew. I think Petraeus was stupid to address the burning directly. He gave it a level of publicity it didn't deseserve and ensured that more muslims would know about it and respond.

Posted by: rdbrewer at September 08, 2010 12:44 PM (bMhBo)

164 The Libs are playing a dangerous game. They're thinking they can use Islam as a club to remove Christianity from American society, ie, at a word they can get retailers to stop saying "Merry Christmas!" because the Muslims would seethe and froth at hearing those words. The Libs think they can spread this more and more into society.

What they are too stupid and/or blind to see is that Islam is not about to release its claws from American society once they are sunk into the skin. The Libs will then find out what kind of a dangerous tiger Islam is, and are likely to be utterly astonished when the Muslims turn on them.

Posted by: BeckoningChasm at September 08, 2010 12:45 PM (eNxMU)

165 Yeah, Rehm Emanual is the epitomy of evil...

Posted by: The Audacity of the Bamboozlement!?!?! at September 08, 2010 12:45 PM (xRcKp)

166 He did NOT comment on the politic or the legality of koran burning but ONLY on the effect it might have on his mission and his troops.
Posted by: nevergiveup at September 08, 2010 12:36 PM (0GFWk)

He made the comment to attempt to stop an American citizen from a Legal act, by saying it will put troops at risk. This was then repeated by at least one other General from what I've read.
How is that NOT a political statement? I understand WHY he did it... but IMO it should have been done by the political leadership of the DOD, not a General in the field.

Posted by: Romeo13 at September 08, 2010 12:45 PM (H+oXM)

167 Ah, I see the conversation has moved to this thread, so I'll repeat myself,
I think burning a Koran is pointlessly provocative, but it is not what the Taliban or Islamic gov'ts do--they will confiscate Bibles, etc, and burn those (and do who knows what to those that owned them), not buy their own to make some symbolic gesture. In other words, the Florida burners are not out rounding up every Koran they can, ripping them from the hands of children, like the think of when we hear 'book burning.' They are making a statement to the effect of "Korans are very bad, and shouldn't exist", which is of course offensive to Muslims, though arguably true.
Anyway, the only Koran burning that I want is to see Muslims everywhere reject Islam and burn their own in defiance of the chains it places on them.

Posted by: Randy at September 08, 2010 12:45 PM (zQKSr)

168 162 o/t: The face of pure evil on top at Drudge.

That picture of Rahm reminds me of Heath Ledger as the Joker in Batman XIV (or whatever sequel that was).

Posted by: runningrn at September 08, 2010 12:45 PM (8GYOu)

169 I've thought of all the things brought up by Drew, no bullshit. And I noticed that the worst Sec. of State that we ever had, Hillary, was just on I guess making remarks about the koran burning. I thought we covered this the other day. How come we don't tell the moozlums that if you piss us off we're going to turn you and your lands into glass. But noooooo, shhhh, don't be disrespectful to the gentle moozlums. Don't hurt their feelings.

Posted by: Pocono Joe at September 08, 2010 12:46 PM (zRIHq)

170 i was going to post this on the other thread but i'll do it here
now that i have some coffee going in my hot and sexy body (bunk moronettes, you know you want to) i've been thinking about the good general's comments on this
you know what else the terrorists have used as propaganda? dadt, the building of the GZM,and miss america being from a muzzie country......why didn't he come out and go against those too?
he's a general..worry about the mission and not politics...imho, he was wrong to open his trap about an american citizen's right as stupid as the pastor is being

Posted by: navycopjoe at September 08, 2010 12:46 PM (gg4j2)

171 If the Koran is so special to them, I say let them prove it. We should say that for every American soldier killed or injured, we burn the Koran. If they do not want the Koran hurt, don't hurt our soldiers.~chillin
How about just using Korans as added armor on the HumVees?
They burn the hummer, they burn Korans too. Never work, you say? Yeah, that's because Muzzies take any opportunity to get outraged. Fuck them and their outrage.

Muslim perpetual outrage is just how they get infidels to comply with all Muslim demands. Surrender to any Muslim demand and eventually you will surrender to them all.

Posted by: Speller at September 08, 2010 12:46 PM (qaOKJ)

172 So you have a book that encites hatred and violence, and if you burn that book, it will incite hatred and violence. What's the problem.

You're a dhimmi if you don't and an infidel if you do.

If anything, it will create a target rich environment for the folks in the sandbox as the mask of moderation falls from true muslim feelings.

Posted by: TexBob at September 08, 2010 12:46 PM (7cXE7)

173 Hey Mama AJ

Kuwait was the hottest place I have ever been. And that includes the Kingdom. We had a 150 degree day there, and we fried an egg on the sidewalk-it took about three minutes.

If he's going in the summer, send him with lots and lots of gatorade packets-the powered kind, because they are like gold. The commissary/BX runs out quickly.

We will definitely keep him and you lifted up, my friend. Please give him our thanks for his service.

Posted by: moki at September 08, 2010 12:46 PM (dZmFh)

174 Obviously a criminal offense with deep, dark KKK racist overtones. A burning Bush, however, is perfectly ok.
Posted by: runningrn at September 08, 2010 12:12 PM (8GYOu)
Word!

Posted by: Moses at September 08, 2010 12:46 PM (YVZlY)

175 Would he like a Moron care package?
Okay, that puts such a mental picture in my head.
I sure do appreciate the thought! I know nothing about the place he's going and what will be hard to get there, so I'll have to wait and see what he needs...

Posted by: Mama AJ at September 08, 2010 12:47 PM (XdlcF)

176 Another non-issue.

Don't care.

Posted by: MlR at September 08, 2010 12:48 PM (bXmuq)

177 "...now that i have some coffee going in my hot and sexy body (bunk moronettes, you know you want to)"
That depends on the coffee's entry point, really.

Posted by: Joanie (Oven Gloves) at September 08, 2010 12:49 PM (HaYO4)

178 The Libs are playing a dangerous game. They're thinking they can use Islam as a club to remove Christianity from American society, ie, at a word they can get retailers to stop saying "Merry Christmas!" because the Muslims would seethe and froth at hearing those words. The Libs think they can spread this more and more into society.What they are too stupid and/or blind to see is that Islam is not about to release its claws from American society once they are sunk into the skin. The Libs will then find out what kind of a dangerous tiger Islam is, and are likely to be utterly astonished when the Muslims turn on them.

Mark Steyn had a great line in his America Alone book. He said something like: "If the muzzies take over, I can always grow a bigger beard and marry a couple of more wives and blend in. The LiberalLeft will be the first people that will be killed. They are cultural anathema to all the tenets of Islam."--or something along those lines.

Posted by: runningrn at September 08, 2010 12:49 PM (8GYOu)

179 He made the comment to attempt to stop an American citizen from a Legal act, by saying it will put troops at risk. This was then repeated by at least one other General from what I've read.

How is that NOT a political statement? I understand WHY he did it... but IMO it should have been done by the political leadership of the DOD, not a General in the field.

Posted by: Romeo13 at September 08, 2010 12:45 PM (H+oXM)

He expressed an opinion about how it would effect his mission and men. That is not political. By virtue of his Rank and responsibilities he has every right to do that. Would it have been better if to go up the chain of command and let Gates and Obama only speak? Maybe but that is not how things work now a days

Posted by: nevergiveup at September 08, 2010 12:49 PM (0GFWk)

180 Quite frankly, the Koran burning is a stupid idea, but I really don't give a damn. Gen. Petraeus should also shut the hell up; he himself endangers the troops by his own strict rules of engagement. In a war, err on the side that brings folks home alive and in victory. If the enemy takes out a knife, you pull a gun. If they pull out a gun, you roll out a tank, and when they roll out a take, you make desert glass. Remember 9/11.

Posted by: dogfish at September 08, 2010 12:50 PM (UEJ97)

181 I sure do appreciate the thought! I know nothing about the place he's going and what will be hard to get there, so I'll have to wait and see what he needs...

Yeah, just keep us posted. I would totally be interested in sending something. I so appreciate those who leave their families and serve overseas.

Posted by: runningrn at September 08, 2010 12:50 PM (8GYOu)

182 The fact that we don't riot, kill or go off the deep end when Bibles, Crucifixes or Flags are burned doesn't make us look 'civilized' in their eyes.
It simply shows them what they are better and stronger. That we are weakand self-debasing. That what they have is worth killing, dying and going off the deep end over. That theirGod is the one true God because he's the kick ass God--- the one who won't put up with insults.Ours is the God who forever complies who is merciful(OK we know it's a good thing, but not in theirs....it's viewed as 'good slave material')I don't condone burning the Koran. Sadly, not burning it (now) just makes us look weak and cowardly..... which they already believe. It's a no win situation. They're the bullies writing the rules of 'whose religion has the lightening bolts from heaven' and we repeatedly say "Yours!"

Posted by: EZB at September 08, 2010 12:50 PM (Ty06w)

183 Would he like a Moron care package?

AF Lt. Col., preparing for takeoff in his C-5, 1315 hrs, 14 Oct 2010: "What in the ever-loving fuck is that SMELL?!"

Posted by: Herr Morgenholz at September 08, 2010 12:51 PM (5aa4z)

184 If the Koran is so special to them, I say let them prove it. We should say that for every American soldier killed or injured, we burn the Koran. If they do not want the Koran hurt, don't hurt our soldiers.~chillin

Remember, these are the same people that suicide bomb their own mosques. Muslims kill more Muslims than anyone else. It's kind of like Black on Black violence here in the U.S. Both groups of people never condemn the violence perpetrated on themeselves by their own people, but bitch and moan about "tolerance", "hate crimes", "white police brutality", etc., etc.

Posted by: runningrn at September 08, 2010 12:53 PM (8GYOu)

185 "Patraeus was NOT commenting on the free speech angle at all. Just on how it might effect his mission and the troops under him"

Frankly, I tire of this quote being shoveled out on every MSM outlet.
Seriously - does anyone think that this "event" will change in any way OBL's followers' approach?
The good General should've kept his mouth shut ears open...

Posted by: Jess at September 08, 2010 12:54 PM (xvvVt)

186 When a minister burns a Koran, he's a bigoted, extremist.

When a lefty defiles a cross, he's an open-minded, brave truth seeker who seeks to challenge the assumptions of others.

And he gets government funding.

You know what? I'm glad these guys are burning the Koran, if for no other reason to draw attention to how differently the left values respecting the sensitivities of Christians vs. Muslims.

Posted by: Warden at September 08, 2010 12:54 PM (XsarH)

187 I think I'll print out some pages of the most hateful pages on 9/11, douse them with charcoal lighter and then it's flame on! Once tured to ash, I think I'll then urinate on the ashes for safety purposes.

Regardless of what anyone says, I WILL FEEL GOOD ABOUT IT and I will smile while doing it.


Posted by: TexBob at September 08, 2010 12:54 PM (7cXE7)

188
It's the liberals who are doing the trashing.

Posted by: nevergiveup

Yes. There are plenty of liberals who are walking -- talking "pisschrists".


Posted by: Lemon Kitten at September 08, 2010 12:55 PM (0fzsA)

189 Mama AJ - anywhere he is going: small bottles of gold bond, a couple pair of good socks, cash

Posted by: Jean at September 08, 2010 12:55 PM (THrql)

190 180 He expressed an opinion about how it would effect his mission and men. That is not political. By virtue of his Rank and responsibilities he has every right to do that.
i disagree, his opinion should not be expressed. the general he replaced expressed his opinion and got fired for it
his rank and responibilities does not give him any more rights than the lowest E-1 as per the UCMJ
his only focus should be the mission, thats it
if he wants to express political opinions, he should resign his commission and go on the talk shows

Posted by: navycopjoe at September 08, 2010 12:56 PM (gg4j2)

191 178 That depends on the coffee's entry point, really.
whoa, i think i love you

Posted by: navycopjoe at September 08, 2010 12:57 PM (gg4j2)

192 If I may add one...
Notice the Left's reaction to the mosque...
"They have a RIGHT to build!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"
Irrelevant of whether or not it's the right thing to do, the defense is purely "legalities"...
But when it comes to book burning, the defense of "illegalities" is nowhere to be found...They immediately RUN to the obvious...That it's not the right thing to do...
Selective standards...

cnredd
Political Wrinkles
http://politicalwrinkles.com

Posted by: cnredd at September 08, 2010 12:57 PM (XdXvF)

193 Adam Baldwin nailed it last night on his twitter.
"Which is
worse for the troops:1) Sen. Reid saying "this war is lost"; 2) PrezBO
setting withdrawal date; 3) private citizens burning a book? "
--
Like it or not, the first two examples are part of the regular ebb and flow of politics in this country. Reid and Obama may be wrong (who am I kidding? they are wrong) but part of their roles as our elected officials is to address these sorts of things. So in principle, what they are doing is to be expected. No one ever suggested that political parties cease all opposition to the prty in power during war time.

In contrast, the group seeking media attention by burning the Koran has moved outside its mission as a Christian church and is going out of its way to do something that would outrage any religious group and, more importantly, provoking the enemy we are currently fighting overseas in a way that the folks in command tell us will increase the risk to our soldiers.
They can do it, but they shouldn't do it. It's irresponsible.

Posted by: Y-not at September 08, 2010 12:57 PM (osFsP)

194 All this talk of Koran Burning has me itching for a good Flame War! (I missed the last one when I was on vacation).

Posted by: runningrn at September 08, 2010 12:57 PM (8GYOu)

195 Just saw that minister's pic on Drudge - he is a dead ringer for several of my up-the-mountain relatives in Kentucky.

Posted by: Jean at September 08, 2010 12:57 PM (nOq8U)

196 Jesus didn't tolerate evil, He fought it. The koran is the textbook for the pure unadulterated evil of islam.
Christians should be burning korans, in fact we should be burning islam down - not playing nicy-nice toleration games.

Posted by: Rebar at September 08, 2010 12:58 PM (H2in1)

197 Frankly, I tire of this quote being shoveled out on every MSM outlet.

Seriously - does anyone think that this "event" will change in any way OBL's followers' approach?

The good General should've kept his mouth shut & ears open...

Posted by: Jess at September 08, 2010 12:54 PM (xvvVt)

Yeah I do think it will rile up these animal moron muslim terrorists. And all I care about is how it will effect the troops on the ground, some of whom are my friends and unit members and many others I cleared for deployment. And if this asshole, if you saw him interviewed he really is a moron, gets any of them hurt or killed because of his anti-American actions ( yes book burning is legal but anti-American) yeah I 'd be real pissed.

Posted by: nevergiveup at September 08, 2010 12:59 PM (0GFWk)

198 Pastor arrested for sharing gospel with Muslimsin Kansas http://dlvr.it/4w233
Like in Dearborn, Michigan,proselytizing or merely talking to Muslims on public streets appears to be against the law in the U.S. just as it is under Islamic sharia rule.
A pastor is facing a court date after sharing the gospel with Muslims in Kansas.
About 14 people, including three senior pastors, went to the local mosque to distribute to Muslims packets containing the books of John and Romans in English and Arabic and a DVD with testimonies of former Muslims. Pastor Mark Holick of Spirit One Christian Center was one of those passing out the packets to people leaving the mosque.
Holick tells OneNewsNow that when local police officers arrived on the scene, he was handcuffed then detained in a patrol car, where he repeatedly asked what crime he had committed.
Handcuffs smallAnd then about 15 minutes later, 20 minutes later, something like that, they finally came over and told me that I was being charged with loitering and failure to disperse, the pastor shares.
Asked if this episode occurred in Saudi Arabia, he replies, with a chuckle: No, this was in Wichita, Kansas.

Posted by: conscious, but incoherent at September 08, 2010 12:59 PM (YVZlY)

199 24 So, basically, what the media et al are telling the Christians is that to get respect, start beheading.

Posted by: nickless at September 08, 2010 12:05 PM

Actually, they don't even have to do that. Christians can just pretend to be Muslims and they will get what they want.

For example...

Many Christian groups don't like a lot of the filth on TV. They express their concerns and criticisms and get told to just shut up and get over it and stop being prudes.

Well, change in strategy...

Instead of Christians expressing their concerns and criticisms by representing themselves as Christians, they should write, call and e-mail TV stations and sponsors representing themselves as Muslims. They don't even have to threaten anything. Just express "As a Muslim, I am offended by X and I think you should take it off the air".

The concerns coming from a massive group of Muslims would be taken much more seriously than coming from a massive group of Christians. Just look at the results Muslims got from FOX's '24' (constant ads before episodes assuring everyone that not all Muslims are terrorists even though there are some depicted as such in the show) and Comedy Central with regards to 'South Park' (censoring of any offense to Islam, yet not so with any offense to any other group).

Now, this strategy obviously would not work with regards to shows taking pot shots at Christianity. But with regards to too much filth on TV (sex, violence, vulgarity, etc) that many Christian groups do not like, it would work like a charm.

Posted by: Clyde Shelton at September 08, 2010 01:00 PM (NITzp)

200 Castle has voted 99% of the time with Obama.
Well, I hate to say Rush is wrong but ......he is wrong. Flat out wrong, honestly.
Castle voted against the Stimulus and Obamacare. There are 2.
He also voted against H. Res 1606 (the closing corpotate loophole atce favored by Obama), and in just July alone cast 27 votes on various matters opposite of Obama. Source : Washington Post and House web site.
I think this is what you would call hyperbole.

Posted by: Mallamutt at September 08, 2010 01:01 PM (OWjjx)

201 I'm reminded of the Jack Benny movie To Be or Not To Be.

A group of Polish actors in 1938 are rehearsing a satirical play which lampoons Hitler and the Nazis. The Polish government closes down the play, fearful that lampooning Hitler could lead to him retaliating. The actors are uniform in condemning the Polish government, saying that it's important to laugh and mock Hitler.

Hitler invades Poland anyway.

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at September 08, 2010 01:02 PM (FkKjr)

202 I'd say, hold up the lighter in one hand, Barky's inauguration Koran in the other and declare, "Show us the Religion of Peace".

He can always apologize later if the unexpected happens.

Now, burning down the Victory Mosque in order to burn a Koran...that would be going too far.

Posted by: t-bird at September 08, 2010 01:02 PM (FcR7P)

203 Just express "As a Muslim, I am offended by X and I think you should take it off the air".

Oooh. Such potential.

Dear Mrs. Obama:
As a Muslim, I ask you with all due respect to cover your arms, as they remind me of the loins of my goat Al-Ja-Olson and give me warm feelings in my robe.

Posted by: Herr Morgenholz at September 08, 2010 01:04 PM (5aa4z)

204 As a muslim, I am offended by Barack Obama, Nancy Pelosi, Harry Reid, Bwarny's Frank, Chris Dodd, Alan Grayson, Babs Boxer, DiFi, the NYT, WaPo, MSLSD, CNN, Rick "dirty" Sanchez, and Megan McCain.

Please remove them.

Posted by: Mohamad Albeenfarhteen at September 08, 2010 01:04 PM (7cXE7)

205 runningrn, I'd need your word that Herr M's pants would NOT be involved in any "care" package.
moki, he did a summer (and fall and some of spring) in Iraq, so we're relieved that he's doing winter and spring this time. I hear it's just lovely, so again, we're thrilled.
Yep.

Posted by: Mama AJ at September 08, 2010 01:05 PM (XdlcF)

206 Now, burning down the Victory Mosque in order to burn a Koran...that would be going too far.

It would be a shame if someone went too far. Dreadful. Hateful, in fact.

Posted by: Herr Morgenholz at September 08, 2010 01:05 PM (5aa4z)

207 People who oppose Koran burning without being asked are chickenshits. This means you

Posted by: Ashen at September 08, 2010 01:06 PM (/UI/p)

208 I agree with vanderleuen; an american city is going to have to be sacrificed before most americans wake up. - Posted by: The Audacity of the Bamboozlement!?!?! at September 08, 2010 12:41 PM (xRcKp)
Can we nominate Washington, D.C.? Please, please, please, please,PLEASE?

Posted by: Teresa in Fort Worth, TX at September 08, 2010 01:07 PM (1O/uc)

209 runningrn, I'd need your word that Herr M's pants would NOT be involved in any "care" package.

As I have no idea where they are, I carry no responsibility for their eventual fate.

Posted by: Herr Morgenholz at September 08, 2010 01:07 PM (5aa4z)

210 Can we nominate Washington, D.C. Dearborn?

Posted by: Herr Morgenholz at September 08, 2010 01:08 PM (5aa4z)

211 208 people who post on the internet and call people names are chickenshits
this means you

Posted by: navycopjoe at September 08, 2010 01:08 PM (gg4j2)

212 Pastor arrested for sharing gospel with Muslimsin Kansas http://dlvr.it/4w233
Yeah, that's the kind of nonsense that makes me want to attend the bonfire.

Posted by: Randy at September 08, 2010 01:09 PM (zQKSr)

213 People who oppose Koran burning without being asked are chickenshits. This means you Drew M. You might as well say that taking war to Islam will only beget more terrorists so we shouldn't do it. I say burn em. They want to destroy us anyway so what's wrong with a good old fashioned Koran burning. Let's watch them gnash their teeth over this one. They mean to kill us all, and I mean to stop them.

Posted by: Ashen at September 08, 2010 01:09 PM (/UI/p)

214 and I mean to stop them.
By posting on the internet. Doesn't seem like an effective strategy.

Posted by: Mallamutt at September 08, 2010 01:11 PM (OWjjx)

215 I am just a moron, but I think everyone, everywhere, every day should be burning korans.

Posted by: bowel movement at September 08, 2010 01:11 PM (05Stc)

216 O/T - Bammy's just got two years left to accomplish his agenda.Must hurry! Dems schedule senate hearings to regulate gun sales next week.

Posted by: RushBabe at September 08, 2010 01:11 PM (a3Z62)

217 In contrast, the group seeking media attention by burning the Koran has moved outside its mission as a Christian church

You don't get to define the mission of a private organization of which you aren't a member.

provoking the enemy we are currently fighting overseas in a way that the
folks in command tell us will increase the risk to our soldiers.

Where do you draw the line when it comes to unreasonable demands? Should we ban the sale of the Satanic Verses? Should we prevent the Muhammed cartoon of South Park to be shown? Both of those things inflame Muslims and could lead to our troops being killed.

Our troops exist to protect our liberty even at its most vulgar. This is our liberty at its most vulgar. Our system can't work if it's the other way around, and our liberty must be sacrificed to protect our troops.

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at September 08, 2010 01:11 PM (FkKjr)

218 They mean to kill us all, and I mean to stop them.

A man of action? Whoa!
I'm sparkin' a bowl to watch this!

Posted by: Dave in Alaska at September 08, 2010 01:11 PM (5aa4z)

219 Remember, these are the same people that suicide bomb their own mosques. Muslims kill more Muslims than anyone else. It's kind of like Black on Black violence here in the U.S. Both groups of people never condemn the violence perpetrated on themeselves by their own people, but bitch and moan about "tolerance", "hate crimes", "white police brutality", etc., etc.
Posted by: runningrn

This, right here. Remember the faux outrage about US forces damaging mosques? Or taking them under fire? And then it was proven that they were being used as defensive positions? Or Al Qaeda slaughtering fellow Muslims? Or blowing up a wedding reception in Ammam? These actually resulted in lower poll scores in the Middle East for our 'militant Muslim minutemen' (opposite of the CCC anyone?). Muslims do far worse to each other daily. Between that and the systemic hassament of Christians in the Middle East, this should be a non-issue.

Posted by: Blue Hen at September 08, 2010 01:11 PM (R2fpr)

220 "I think it would be a great stunt if this Pastor holds the Koran in one hand and a lighter in the other. Just before he lights the book, he stops and says "The 1st Amendment gives me the Right to burn this book. The 1st Amendment give them the Right to build the Ground Zero Mosque. Both acts disrespect the views of the other. I'm not going to burn this book out of respect for Islam. I ask the builders of the GZM to show the same respect to the people of New York."
Sure, and then the mohammedans can look at each other and laugh their asses off at the stupid dhimmi that thinks they give two shits about his tolerance. Try to get it through your head - they do NOT want to live peacefully with those of differing faiths. They will give lip service to the idea in situations where they are too weak to dominate the others by force, but they don't mean it.

Posted by: gebrauchshund at September 08, 2010 01:15 PM (ADeN1)

221 Burning Koreans is just wrong.


(swiped from ExJon)

Posted by: Dave in Texas at September 08, 2010 01:15 PM (Wh0W+)

222 Way O/T - I understand its probably a secondaryad buy, but jee, I wish Ace would have warned me of that ad containing the picture of Hillary in the yellow jump suit before I saw it. That's gonna require some serious brain blech.

Posted by: Mallamutt at September 08, 2010 01:15 PM (OWjjx)

223 Navycopjoe is a chickenshit. As are most cops. Take away the badge and you have a mewling overgrown infant with a severe look-at-me-daddy complex.

Posted by: Ashen at September 08, 2010 01:15 PM (/UI/p)

224 Hmmm.... so... are far as our OWN government is concerned...
Is it better to be respected? or Feared?
1000 US Citizens protested against the Victory... er Cordoba mosque?... crickets...
300K PLUS at the Beck rally... chirp chirp...
Tea party protests??? 100s of thousands all over the country... silence...
500 Afgans protest somthing which has not even happened??? suddenly its a National Security issue...
Jefferson was right... when the Government does not fear the people.. we have tyranny...

Posted by: Romeo13 at September 08, 2010 01:16 PM (H+oXM)

225 Eric Holder says burning the koran is idiotic. I am sure what ever Holder says, I am on the opposite side.

Posted by: bowel movement at September 08, 2010 01:16 PM (05Stc)

226 No mutt, by serving in the armed forces.

Posted by: Ashen at September 08, 2010 01:17 PM (/UI/p)

227 Uhm, Drew???

That's like four solid posts full of WIN, all hodged together into one.

I dunno.

I gotta think about like three godamned important arguments right now and I guess that I'll just have to do that privately because I am overwhelmed.

First and only time this blog will hear this particular bitch from the peanut gallery.

Too much.

Slow down.


Posted by: Deety at September 08, 2010 01:17 PM (aVzyR)

228 I can't say I care whether or not Korans get burned, but the question has got to be asked:


Is there anything we* do that doesn't piss these idiots off?


(*we as in, Western Civilization)

Posted by: Liberace at September 08, 2010 01:17 PM (UMwMT)

229 This is a fantastic idea and I am growing tired of conservatives acting like douchebags on this issue.

Posted by: Chris R at September 08, 2010 01:18 PM (AO4qz)

230 218
In contrast, the group seeking media attention by burning the Koran has moved outside its mission as a Christian churchYou don't get to define the mission of a private organization of which you aren't a member.

If they are enjoying tax status as a Church, then they need to watch their political activities. It's not an anything goes situation.

And, if they claim to be a Christian church, then they can expect to be criticized by other Christians (as they already are being criticized, including by the Vatican) for using the mantle of Christianity to do something that clearly is not something that Christ preached.

Jesus as a Jew protested the corruption of other Jews in the Temple, he didn't go around attacking other religions' holy sites and symbols.

Posted by: Y-not at September 08, 2010 01:19 PM (osFsP)

231 Crap, still had the sock puppet on from the Friday Flame War...

Posted by: Naqamel at September 08, 2010 01:19 PM (UMwMT)

232 No mutt, by serving in the armed forces.

Posted by: Ashen at September 08, 2010 01:17 PM (/UI/p)
Come back when you've completed Basic. Thanks for your time, recruit.

Posted by: Herr Morgenholz at September 08, 2010 01:19 PM (5aa4z)

233 Here is a thought, burn Korans and then shoot any Muslim freak who comes out of the closet as a jihadi.
Next, burn a New Testement and shoot any Christian who starts rioting. Oh wait, (some)-Muslims-Secular Jews-Athiests already burn Bibles and flags, and Christians DON'T riot.
So much for the moral equivilency crap. I saw smoke the jihadis and Sharia-lovin' barbarians out and stomp on them like bugs.

Posted by: smarty at September 08, 2010 01:20 PM (APx+9)

234 222 Burning Koreans is just wrong.
Well, in the proper context...

Posted by: half the emperors of Japan and China at September 08, 2010 01:20 PM (9Sbz+)

235 224 wow, did i strike a nerve?
call me when your action figure is for sale there killer

Posted by: navycopjoe at September 08, 2010 01:21 PM (gg4j2)

236 You're doing it wrong. If you deep-fry your Korans in lard they won't burn.

Posted by: The Iowa State Fair at September 08, 2010 01:22 PM (FcR7P)

237 wow, did i strike a nerve?

Amoebae don't have nerves.

Posted by: Y-not at September 08, 2010 01:22 PM (osFsP)

238 Yep... burn a Bible... and we'll PROTEST by having a BAKE SALE!

Posted by: Methodist Church at September 08, 2010 01:22 PM (H+oXM)

239 Basic was three years ago Herr Moron. Reporting as ordered...

Posted by: Ashen at September 08, 2010 01:22 PM (/UI/p)

240 call me when your action figure is for sale there killer

Posted by: navycopjoe at September 08, 2010 01:21 PM (gg4j2)
Production delays. The articulated back so it can curl into a fetal position is a bitch of design parameter.

Posted by: Herr Morgenholz at September 08, 2010 01:23 PM (5aa4z)

241
Basic was three years ago Herr Moron. Reporting as ordered...

Posted by: Ashen at September 08, 2010 01:22 PM (/UI/p)
Well, if you don't get that promotion from fry station to Assistant Night Manager, maybe the Army will give you another chance.

Posted by: Herr Morgenholz at September 08, 2010 01:24 PM (5aa4z)

242 Drew:

I read your words in your thread starter post, and agree with them.

But you leave a question unanswered: How do we respond in kind to Muslims insults?

Muslims choose to burn or stand on the American Flag, as a directed insult at America. I see the publication of photos and video of such events as more useful than reciprocating the insult, as the publicity does more damage to them.

But it is Islam that is their weak point. Everything of ours is fair game, but Islam is off-limits; period.

This needs to change. The playing field here needs to be open, level, fair and equal, and in all ways. The idea that Islam is off-limits to criticism is unacceptable, and needs to change immediately.

I don't like book-burnings, as we've seen its eventual results. But we need something that is equally insulting to Moslems; insult us, persecute Christians, vandalize churches, and we can respond.

I like the idea of tiling a public men's room, in a bus station, or maybe a highway convenience stop, with tiles containing Koranic inscriptions.

How about a Koranicly-inscribed toilet bowl and seat?

Perhaps paper a fire hydrant with pages from the Koran, and let the neighborhood doggies have at it?

My point is that in this case, we need to be able to respond, and at their level. They need to learn that we, too, can play hardball.

Posted by: Arbalest at September 08, 2010 01:24 PM (Fpx+H)

243 If they are enjoying tax status as a Church, then they need to watch their political activities. It's not an anything goes situation.
Unfortunatly, Islam is considered a religion as well as a political group, so I don't see how this is not a religious action even moreso than political.

Posted by: Randy at September 08, 2010 01:24 PM (zQKSr)

244 This pastor may be a kook, but pissing the 'rats off like this is far from kooky.

Posted by: StrangernFiction at September 08, 2010 01:24 PM (pOgEW)

245 Bullseye!!

Posted by: Ashen at September 08, 2010 01:24 PM (/UI/p)

246 Greetings:

Too bad our general and flag officers didn't think to ask the lefties and draft dodgers to stop flying those Commie rag-flags during the Viet Nam war lest they encourage our enemies and those of our allies. I'm quite sure that they would have, patriotic-in-a different-way Americans that they were, responded with total acquiescence.

General Patreus has, regardless of his other accomplishments, has spoken a Bridge too Far. That speech would have been appropriate to his subordinates to alert and prepare his troops, but he has no business "warning" civilian citizens how to exercise their rights. It seems to me to be more of that "force protection" mythology that is an outgrowth of Colin Powell's "Great Theory of War". If you want to force protect, leave them in their barracks in America.

Back during my thankfully limited days in the Federal bureaucracy, a personnelist spent a delightful evening with me explaining the, then popular, idea of "progressive discipline" and how each subsequent behavioral failure by an employee should result in a greater degree of punishment. I think it's time to share that concept with our muslim brothers and sisters. On a practical level.

Posted by: 11B40 at September 08, 2010 01:25 PM (DkJTG)

247 This is just the Muslim Outrage d' Jure... it will be some other manufactured outrage tomorrow. It really does not matter what we do, they will find somthing to get angry over...

Posted by: Romeo13 at September 08, 2010 12:34 PM

Yep.

New sign to carry at protests: "It doesn't matter what this sign says, you'll call me a racist an 'Islamophobe' anyway."

Posted by: Clyde Shelton at September 08, 2010 01:25 PM (NITzp)

248 241 Production delays. The articulated back so it can curl into a fetal position is a bitch of design parameter.
this my kiddies is an example of an awesome wit
'raises mug of coffee in herr's direction'

Posted by: navycopjoe at September 08, 2010 01:25 PM (gg4j2)

249 'raises mug of coffee in herr's direction'

*puts on pants to stand and salute NCJ*

Posted by: Herr Morgenholz at September 08, 2010 01:27 PM (5aa4z)

250 Jesus as a Jew protested the corruption of other Jews in the Temple, he didn't go around attacking other religions' holy sites and symbols. ~Y-not

He beat them with a whip forsinning withthe very method that G-d had given them for the atonement of sin.(they were cheating the people who were buying sacrificial animals)
As to attacking other religion's holy sites, the Old Testament is repleat with records of attacking other religion's holy sites and erradicating them. The Bible is consistantly against idolatry and false gods.

Posted by: Speller at September 08, 2010 01:27 PM (qaOKJ)

251 I served in the Marines--3rd Battalion, 25th Marines--and worked with MSGs in Ankara, and now I live and work in Jordan. And this does add just one more thing for the troops overseas and, as someone pointed out above, State Dept. people, and U.S. aid workers, to worry about. We might not like it, and we can puff our chests out all we want, but if we truly care about the troops, we wouldn't add even the slightest burden to them. Ever. Especially for cheap publicity for a third-rate "church." This is a time where reality must trump some abstract "principal." And without rehashing some long posts I made on another thread, there are moderate Moslems--people facing bullets in Iran, how much more moderate do you want them to be--including a Jordanian professor who was up for the Nobel that Obama won, who works for equal rights in Jordan for Jews. I had a taxi driver last week offer to drive me to the River Jordan so I could baptize him (not that I am any kind of religious figure). American culture and values are winning, slowly but surely, especially with the younger generation, and, to put it mildly, this Koran burning is not helpful.

Posted by: MikeinAmman at September 08, 2010 01:28 PM (elcpe)

252 If they are enjoying tax status as a Church, then they need to watch
their political activities. It's not an anything goes situation.

What a church believes and practices cannot be subject to government censorship, provided it breaks no law. This is well established protected free speech.

Threatening tax status is a common tactic of Democrats to get the Church to shut up about abortion. Maybe churches should just pay taxes.

And, if they claim to be a Christian church, then they can expect to
be criticized by other Christians (as they already are being
criticized, including by the Vatican) for using the mantle of
Christianity to do something that clearly is not something that Christ
preached.

Yes, but none of those groups can compel them to not do it, or tell them what their mission is.

Jesus as a Jew protested the corruption of other Jews in the Temple, he
didn't go around attacking other religions' holy sites and symbols.

Jesus said, "I've come to set the world on fire, and how I wish to see it blazing."

Obviously not a literal statement, but clearly not one advocating laying back and accepting evil. Jesus was all about putting your life on the line for what is right.

These Christians have interpreted this to mean challenging the Koran by burning it.

I would agree with you that this is wrong if this were happening to Hindus, Jews, or any other religion, but the Muslim method of dealing with these things isn't civilized. They behead people and throw hateful tantrums. So I don't particularly care when their religion is insulted.

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at September 08, 2010 01:29 PM (FkKjr)

253 Three targets in one shot! Damn I'm good.

Posted by: Ashen at September 08, 2010 01:29 PM (/UI/p)

254 Recent studies indicate that the inbred Muslim IQ is below average. That accounts for a lot, don't you think?

And why in the world would a Pakistani government minister call our Christian President to be a Muslim Caliph?

Posted by: elspeth at September 08, 2010 01:30 PM (0AkWH)

255 Excellent points. On the "extinguish their line" argument ... it would actually be more efficient if we did that to the terrorists. If they attack us, then we eliminate their male line. Let it be known that they will have no descendants or kin to celebrate their terrorism. But we don't do that sort of thing anymore, so it'll never happen unless things get much, much worse. Realistically that would be much cheaper and efficient and effective than the two wars we've fought and spent so much treasure to wage.

I mean, have we put a stop to Islamic terrorists? No. I'm glad we took out Saddam, but the terrorism problem in the future will be as much about Egypt and Yemen and Saudi Arabia and Pakistan as Iraq or Afghanistan. The problem is the Muslim Brotherhood types which are in every Muslim nation on the planet. Obviously we can't invade them all and probably won't invade anybody for another generation. How do we deter them? The extinguish their line tactic is one of the only tactics that would probably work ... and it would encourage families to police their own young radicals instead of praising them for being Islamic nutjobs.

Instead of using admittedly brutal tactics like that we appear to be choosing a defensive crouch/surveillance state. We could live free here if we used a bit more brutality abroad, but we as a people don't have the stomach for that. So instead we'll have cameras and sensors everywhere in a massive surveillance state in an attempt to catch a few rogue individuals in a nation of 310+ million people.

Technology is making this possible, and most western nations have chosen to go the Big Brother route rather than inflict brutal, deterring violence against external threats.

In the future we'll track the movements of every car and truck. Already we track most planes. Soon it will be all. Already we track all ships over a certain size. In the future it will be every water craft. Eventually this tech will be extended to all trucks, and ultimately every personal car. Some states (like say Singapore, China) will be leaders in this. The tech of 2030-40 will make it fairly easy to track and model the movements of every individual.

The upside is crime will go down dramatically. The downside is if an activity you engage in gets labeled a "crime". (Think spitting in Singapore for a mild example. Think a draconian implementation of hate speech laws for a scary one. Think what most Islamic societies will do with their surveillance state for a terrifying one.)

Posted by: huh at September 08, 2010 01:30 PM (BXqkH)

256 I don't remember anyone worrying about marauding bands of Presbyterians going on a murder spree over it.
Psssh, like they'd have the guts.

Posted by: The Serbian Orthodox at September 08, 2010 01:31 PM (PReJ3)

257 Let's just split the difference and burn The Audacity of Hope and Dreams From My Father instead.

Posted by: tsj017 at September 08, 2010 01:31 PM (4YUWF)

258 Yep... burn a Bible... and we'll PROTEST by having a BAKE SALE!
Posted by: Methodist Church

Word.

Posted by: Rampaging Lutheran Synod at September 08, 2010 01:31 PM (R2fpr)

259 Since 1989, a from-memory list of things which have caused Muslims to threaten (and actually carry out) violence would include: novels, cartoons, films,BK ice cream, tennis shoe design, soccer ball design, girls schools, uncovered women, secular law, democracy, human rights,freedom of speech, and of course doing anything to the holey Quran.
It'simpossible to live in a post-Enlightenmentworld withoutoffendingsharia-pushingglobal-caliphate-seeking Muslims.
So obviously we shouldscrapthe freedom to offend for some illusory security (until the next trivial blasphemy).

Posted by: Beagle at September 08, 2010 01:32 PM (sOtz/)

260 runningrn, I'd need your word that Herr M's pants would NOT be involved in any "care" package.As I have no idea where they are, I carry no responsibility for their eventual fate.

No worries, mama!Herr's pants would never pass the hazardous materials/toxic chemicals ban imposedby the Post Office.

Posted by: runningrn at September 08, 2010 01:32 PM (8GYOu)

261 People who say that Muslims want to co-exist are wrong. Dearborn is proof. No church -in or around Dearborn- is allowed to ring their church bells, but the call to prayer is played,not only in Dearborn, but in the surrounding towns. Or maybe I should say that their idea of coexistence, is not what your idea of coexistence is.

Posted by: chillin the most at September 08, 2010 01:32 PM (6IV8T)

262 'raises mug of coffee in herr's direction'*puts on pants to stand and salute NCJ*

Thank God Herr saluted you after he put his pants back on! It was kind of a little low.

Posted by: runningrn at September 08, 2010 01:34 PM (8GYOu)

263 Posted by: Beagle at September 08, 2010 01:32 PM (sOtz/)
Don't forget a Muslim child naming a teddy bear Mohammed.

Posted by: Randy at September 08, 2010 01:34 PM (zQKSr)

264 People who say that Muslims want to co-exist are wrong. Dearborn is proof

Whenever I see one of those stupid "COEXIST" bumper stickers, my BP shoots up about 80 pts. Yeah, we could all just exixt if we got rid of the "C"!

Posted by: runningrn at September 08, 2010 01:35 PM (8GYOu)

265 I was in favor of the whole "creating democracy in Iraq" experiment. But, I am now firmly in the camp of "you can't build a nation". It is a 10 year experiment that has failed and failed badly.
We need to give up on nation-building or believing that anything we do will appease muslim extremists and thier "moderate" enablers. We are not going to change the muslim world.
So instead, we need to make the muslim world fear us. If we are going to use military force, we should seek to devastate the enemy. That is all. This is not like Germany or Japan where there were rational and civilized societies in place prior to WWII. In those cases we had a foundation to rebuild upon.
There is no such foundation here. We are kidding ourselves into thinking that the muslim world is going to begin to like us b/c of anything we do or any appeasement we engage in - such as everyone prostrating themselves to condemn those who would burn the koran. I don't care if they burn the koran. And I am offended that a U.S. General would engage in conduct to censor free speech. Why not engage in that conduct to stop the NYT from printing classified information? Or to stop the left from telling soldiers to go AWOL or kill their officers?
Enough with trying to make them like us. they will never like us. And I don't care. I want them to fear us so that they don't attack us. That is all I want. And taht can be accomplished. We are wasting lives and money playing nation building or using our soldiers as diplomats. Enough.
Islam is not prepared to be reformed. It is not prepared to join civilization. I'm sick of pretending otherwise. I'm sick of the millions of disclaimers about all of teh "good" and "moderate" muslims. Sure, there are some. But not enough. They are not the majority of their religion and they have no influencein their religion. Islam spews world conquest, deciet and violence. It is in the text of the koran. Every moment that we pretend otherwise is a moment mainstream islam is winning the greater war (let's not pretend it is "radical" - the majority of islam is preached and practiced this way, meaning it is mainstream. Moderates in islam are the radicals).
We have come to the point where we are constantly appeasing and offering homage to islam. Enough.
The very fact that we have to worry about violence because 30 idiots in florida want to burn the koran - and it becomes a national issue, proves that islam is winning by becoming the institutionalized religion of the west.

Posted by: Monkeytoe at September 08, 2010 01:35 PM (sOx93)

266 Generally we don't burn them, but I've seen a few used as plinking targets.

Not interested in the bruised sensibilities of Muzzies...only bruising them.

Posted by: trainer at September 08, 2010 01:36 PM (K5X44)

267 Production delays. The articulated back so it can curl into a fetal position is a bitch of design parameter.

Nah. That's not the problem.

It's a pretty easy trick if you think about it.

You should see all the prototypes we got here in the shop.

It's kind of funny, we've got them geared so that when they hear the word "Boo!" they all snap into fetal position, instantly.

The hold up is in marketing.

They are really focused on what the figure looks like when upright. They are worried about how it's clothed!

Can you believe that?

Posted by: Deety at September 08, 2010 01:36 PM (aVzyR)

268 If this current crop of leadership was in place during WW2, I think we would have lost that war.

Posted by: bowel movement at September 08, 2010 01:36 PM (05Stc)

269 I love it!! A bunch of flabby, balding middle-aged chickenhawks crapping on a trooper.

Posted by: Not In The Navy Not A Cop Jose - just a lowly cabbie at September 08, 2010 01:37 PM (NRr+T)

270
He should promise a burning but start reading the vile passages of the Koran. The burning will start any second, but let me read one more passage from it. Make sure the cameras are running and broadcasting live.

Posted by: IreneFingIrene at September 08, 2010 01:37 PM (JNqU9)

271 MikeinAmman,
If a 'moderate Muslim' will commit murder to protect a mass-produced copy of abook from a trivial church in the Panhandle, he wasnever really moderate.

Posted by: Beagle at September 08, 2010 01:37 PM (sOtz/)

272 You sir are the stupid one. The response from the Islamic world would be the same if this guy was an atheist or agnostic. It does not matter that he claims to be of Christian faith. Sooner or later we must face up to this fact, and the fact is that Islam preaches death to those who disbeleive. The response to this will most likely be suicide bombings and or beheadings, etc. This guy in Florida is a brave soul providing the world with a teachable moment. You may choose to cower in fear of a suicide bombing, but many of us will not cede any ground to this cult of death and totalitarianism.
Burn away, burn early and burn often.

Posted by: exceller at September 08, 2010 01:37 PM (jx2Td)

273 Since 1989, a from-memory list of things which have caused Muslims to threaten (and actually carry out) violence would include: novels, cartoons, films,BK ice cream, tennis shoe design, soccer ball design, girls schools, uncovered women, secular law, democracy, human rights,freedom of speech, and of course doing anything to the holey Quran.
It'simpossible to live in a post-Enlightenmentworld withoutoffendingsharia-pushingglobal-caliphate-seeking Muslims.
So obviously we shouldscrapthe freedom to offend for some illusory security (until the next trivial blasphemy).

Posted by: Beagle

You missed Israeli oranges, Bananas, beauty contests (lethal riots in Nigeria), taxi cab passengers carrying alchohol, taxi cab passengers with guide dogs,co-ed swimming pools and teaching the Holocaust.

We should set up this list and make it a permanent item.

Posted by: Blue Hen at September 08, 2010 01:38 PM (R2fpr)

274 Er, not the Panhandle. Geez. I lived there.

Posted by: Beagle at September 08, 2010 01:38 PM (sOtz/)

275 If a tree falls in an empty forest, does it make any sound??

If the Media refuse to broadcast the event, anyone can buy and burn anything they want.

Posted by: Lord Whorfin at September 08, 2010 01:38 PM (Xsrf9)

276 hey herrr: feel like a little jew baitin' this afternoon?

Posted by: Kemp at September 08, 2010 01:38 PM (xRcKp)

277 Who said that murderers were moderate? I said that moderates exist, and this is not helpful in trying to convince them to stay moderate. I don't believe that they will transform overnight into terrorists, and I never said that. What I said is that there is a relationship forming between Western/Christian values and a lot of young Moslems who are frankly sick of Islam and its restrictions, and that relationship is jeopardized by this. It's the old, "I can criticize my family, but you better not," syndrome. The Koran is still their holy book, and they don't like to see it burned.

Posted by: MikeinAmman at September 08, 2010 01:40 PM (elcpe)

278 Posted by: Monkeytoe at September 08, 2010 01:35 PM (sOx93)

Well said...
I'm a proponent of brining back the Medeval punishment Raid...
Basicly go in and level their infrastructure with Air power... bridges, factories, power lines, power plants... then leave. Knock their economy back to subsistance levels...
If they don't modify their behaviour? Do it again...
If we, as our founding documents say, believe that Governments govern at the Will of the poeple... then why do we not hold those same people accountable for their governments actions?

Posted by: Romeo13 at September 08, 2010 01:40 PM (H+oXM)

279 We wouldn't have had any of these interesting and informative reactions if Jones wasn't brave enough to carry it out. Like I said, this will be a very teachable moment.

Posted by: exceller at September 08, 2010 01:40 PM (jx2Td)

280 As you can see, my strategy of not wearing pants pays off. It's troll bait so they can blow me.

Posted by: Herr Morgenholz at September 08, 2010 01:40 PM (5aa4z)

281 Blue Hen,
I knew there were dozens more I've forgotten.
Instead of "Islam: the religion of peace" I think we could more accurately term it "Islam: the religion of heightened security."
Almost the same thing, right?

Posted by: Beagle at September 08, 2010 01:41 PM (sOtz/)

282 hey herrr: feel like a little jew baitin' this afternoon?

I can never keep matzah on a hook.

Posted by: Herr Morgenholz at September 08, 2010 01:41 PM (5aa4z)

283

Petraues blames Israel for putting the lives of American troops
at greater risk one day and a very small Christian Church another day, even
though he is the one putting the lives of American Troops at
greater risk with his almost Code Pink ROE in his "Bridge on the
River Kwai" in Afghanistan. He seems to have forgotten that he took
an oath to protect and defend the U.S. Constitution, NOT THE KORAN.
I think he has gone quite mad and should be given a medical
discharge.The Founding Fathers and George Patton would slap him
silly.



Petraeus said that burning Korans, is precisely the kind of
action the Taliban uses. This is a lie about and an obscene smear
against his fellow Americans. Its basically a blood libel. It is
also idiotic. Petraues sounds far far worse than even Obama did
when he attacked Arizonians and "Teabaggers".

Posted by: FeralCat at September 08, 2010 01:44 PM (RwvAY)

284 270 actually, i have all my hair, and am 6'0" and kind of skinny and make around 300+ a day playing cabbie when i feel like getting off my lazy ass (not today, i have a noon tee time)
you see son, when you do your 20, you can do what you want when you want
now hurry up and get the fries out of the oil and remember the salt, i'll be at the drive-through in a couple minutes

Posted by: navycopjoe at September 08, 2010 01:44 PM (gg4j2)

285 O/T (even more so): I clicked on a link at Yahoo thinking "how bad could a simple article be?"
Sigh. Don't buy books from Wal-mart, they say, in an article about how to save money by buying some things and not others at certain stores, because:
The Walmart/Amazon rivalry translates into incredibly low prices for consumers on some of the most popular book titles. But Walmart's prices come at a cost, say local business advocates. In the long-run, such deep discounts can drive independent booksellers out of business. And without these stores, consumers will have difficulty finding all but the most well-known authors, says Stacy Mitchell, senior researcher with the Institute for Local Self-Reliance, a non-profit that advocates for local businesses.
The stupidity, it burns.

Posted by: Mama AJ at September 08, 2010 01:44 PM (XdlcF)

286 hey herrr: feel like a little jew baitin' this afternoon?
Germanic Depression`s touching my soul,I know what I want,but I just don`t know how to go about getting it.

Posted by: Dr. Varno at September 08, 2010 01:45 PM (QMtmy)

287 The whole idea that burning the Koran is a provacation is FUCKING stupid and dhimmi behavior.

Who was burning korans when the:

Berlin discoteque
Achille Loren
93 WTC
Khobar towers
Kenya embassy
Tanzania embassy
USS Cole
9/11

attacks happened.

Piss on those who follow a pedophile that talked to a moon rock. Between this and selling out your principles for Mike Castle, I don't know what is going on here. Its almost as if you are getting a case of Poppin' Fresh.

Posted by: Old grizzled gym coach at September 08, 2010 01:45 PM (QBQcg)

288 now hurry up and get the fries out of the oil and remember the salt, i'll be at the drive-through in a couple minutes

Salt's not good for you at your age, joe.

Posted by: Herr Morgenholz at September 08, 2010 01:45 PM (5aa4z)

289 279 whoa
do you have my address to send your newsletter?

Posted by: navycopjoe at September 08, 2010 01:46 PM (gg4j2)

290 En Fuego!

Posted by: that guy that shouts enfuego! at September 08, 2010 01:47 PM (S5YRY)

291 Muslems protest the possible burning of their koran - by burning the American flag:
http://tinyurl.com/2u6kh7s
To this I say:
http://tinyurl.com/trm3j

Posted by: Rebar at September 08, 2010 01:47 PM (H2in1)

292 290 neither is a soon to be teenage daughter or a wife who buys fucking jimmy choo's but at least i get to choose the method of my heart attack

Posted by: navycopjoe at September 08, 2010 01:48 PM (gg4j2)

293 You know this is a screwed up event when I agree with CAIR:

The Council on Islamic-American Relations, or CAIR, described the event as an attempt at publicity by a bankrupt church.

Posted by: Quilly Mammoth at September 08, 2010 01:48 PM (KuK4g)

294 MikeinAmman,
I think you're missing the larger point. It's absolutely crazy, from a modern perspective, to murder because someone does something to a copy of a book they own on private property.
You can't reason with people like that. Your hopes for them are sadly misplaced.
I think history is still getting us back for Fukuyama's idiotic "End of History." More like End of Historians, or History II: it's back and it's angry.

Posted by: Beagle at September 08, 2010 01:49 PM (sOtz/)

295 neither is a soon to be teenage daughter or a wife who buys fucking
jimmy choo's but at least i get to choose the method of my heart attack

Well, at least Frau doesn't buy fancy-assed stuff.
(Two soon to be teenage daughters, here).

Posted by: Herr Morgenholz at September 08, 2010 01:50 PM (5aa4z)

296 293 sweet, got that on my iphone, excellent driving tune
they had it for free on their website a couple years ago
i remember CAIR went after them for the video

Posted by: navycopjoe at September 08, 2010 01:50 PM (gg4j2)

297 The Mohammed cartoons were not the product of mindless boobs but an editorand political cartoonists exercising their God given right to free speech to criticize an eminently deserving target. The boobs are usually on the other
end, Muslims rioting and killing people over Teddy bears named Mohammed and other perceived slights that pale in comparison to what they do to non-Muslims
when they have the power.

Even if one considers the koran burner needlessly provocative, he doesntprevent Muslims from carrying their own korans, chase them out of state or saw through their necks. Until Petraeus balances his criticism of the koran burner with observations about Bible confiscators in Saudi Arabia (what happens to those Bibles?), hes a useful dhimmi. At the very least, he should murmur that
Muslims blow up each others mosques all the time, presumably atomizing several korans within but this is apparently allowed for Muslims because there are
never any protests afterwards.
Anti-American boobs are allowed to burn the American flag, copy of the constitution, undoubtedly Bible etc. as displays of their displeasure. Does this not endanger American troops by fanning the worlds contempt for America?
See, even Americans are ashamed of their flag. Why the elevation of a
sickening book bringing only evil to the world, the koran to a status that American icons themselves do not enjoy?

Posted by: Drew at September 08, 2010 01:50 PM (RwvAY)

298 Blue Hen,
I knew there were dozens more I've forgotten.
Instead of "Islam: the religion of peace" I think we could more accurately term it "Islam: the religion of heightened security."
Almost the same thing, right?
Posted by: Beagle

True. And someone else mentioned the dreadul blasphemous teddy bear.

To respond to Mike in Amman. The entire problem here is not one of moderate or radical. I am expected to deal with systemic harrassment of Christianity every day in the Middle East. I am expected to deal with at best ambivilance or institutionalized contempt by the chattering classes here.
Why exactly do these so-called moderates who are "sick of Islam and its rules" think that such antics are fodder for riot? Until that question is answered, there will NOT be a 'growing the relationship'.

It's telling that Mark Steyn and Anthony Bourdain made the same observations when travelling in the Middle East. They both recounted multiple pleasant encounters with people who were friendly, giving and genial. And then someone mentioned Israel or US foreign policy, and it was if everyone reverted to a banal, poorly written script.

Posted by: Blue Hen at September 08, 2010 01:51 PM (R2fpr)

299 Yep... burn a Bible... and we'll PROTEST by having a BAKE SALE!

Posted by: Methodist Church



Word.

Don't forget potlucks with casseroles.

Posted by: Baptist Women at September 08, 2010 01:51 PM (dZmFh)

300
Hell, I have a Saudi flag in my closet that i've been waiting for an excuse to burn.
Not that there aren't already plenty of reasons.

Posted by: Dr. Varno at September 08, 2010 01:52 PM (QMtmy)

301 291
279 whoa
do you have my address to send your newsletter?
Posted by: navycopjoe at September 08, 2010 01:46 PM (gg4j2)

LOL.... just a history buff... and one grew up outside of Castle Air Force Base in California... and thus knew many many folks who flew around in B-52s in Nam.
Linebacker II, no matter what the left says, DID bring North Vietnam to the peace table... their infrastructure was toast...
Daylight bombing in Europe in WWII DID really hamper Germanys ability to wage war... especialy the genius of going after Ball bearing plants... no ball bearings? no engines... no modern transportation... no Logistics...

Posted by: Romeo13 at September 08, 2010 01:53 PM (H+oXM)

302 Coach said it best:

Who was burning korans when the:





Berlin discoteque


Achille Loren


93 WTC


Khobar towers


Kenya embassy


Tanzania embassy


USS Cole


9/11





attacks happened.

John J. Pershing's legend is enough for me to believe. Got pigs?

Posted by: elspeth at September 08, 2010 01:53 PM (0AkWH)

303 Let's see. If we threaten to burn copies of the koran they yell death
to America. If we don't threaten to burn copies of the koran they yell
death to America. Seems to me that all burning these books will do is
add some CO2 to the atmosphere and that just gives the plants something
to breathe. This action may cause a reaction among some anti-social
Muslims (is that redundant?) but it also will bring their true feelings
into the open.


I say light 'em up! Watch carefully who reacts and how. Then we will know who needs to be dealt with.


At this point I want to incite these goons until their heads explode.


Hey, there's an idea! Maybe we could hack into their call to prayer
speaker systems and replace their, prettiest sounds on Earth with Slim
Whitman! It worked on the Martians!!

Posted by: Jethro at September 08, 2010 01:53 PM (RwvAY)

304 For crying out loud, I'm not missing any larger point. I never attempted to justify the murdering of innocents over a book being burnt in Florida, nor to say that this book burning was going to bring out every Moslem's true colors and turn them into murderers. I said, once again, that it will harm the relationships forming between truly moderate Moslems and Western/Christian values, which many of them, at least in my experience, are ready to embrace. But the concepts of freedom and individual choice are the most difficult parts of Western values for most Moslems to truly understand, so for many of them, this is just an unnecessary insult to their religion. You know what, maybe you all are right--kill 'em all, and let God sort 'em out. I've lived full-time in Moslem countries for 11 of the past 15 years, but what do I know about Moslems?

Posted by: MikeinAmman at September 08, 2010 01:54 PM (elcpe)

305 Muslems protest the possible burning of their koran - by burning the American flag:
Behead those who insult the flag!

Posted by: raging quakers at September 08, 2010 01:55 PM (S5YRY)

306 304 the good old days when we fought to win
now the lefties would cry that the bad guys have no electricity
amazing

Posted by: navycopjoe at September 08, 2010 01:55 PM (gg4j2)

307 Grow up, DrewM. General Petreaus is a pandering fool and should have been Sell-Out
McCains running mate instead of Sarah Palin. Go for it Pastor Jones
and throw a few hijabs, burqas, ghutras, and egals on the fire while you
are at it! The world of Islam has three things in abundance;
ignorance, arrogance, and religious intolerance, and their cancerous
intrusions into the body of our civil society are becoming increasingly
untenable. Years ago the founder of CAIR, Omar Ahmad, said quite
frankly that Islam isnt in America to be equal to any other faith, but
to become dominant. The Koran should be the highest authority in
America, and Islam the only accepted religion on earth.





As that great American Patrick Henry so appropriately said, Is life so
dear, or peace so sweet, as to be purchased at the price of chains and
slavery? Forbid it, Almighty God! I know not what course others may
take; but as for me, give me liberty, or give me death! May God
continue to bestow his blessings on America and the free world!


Posted by: lakewood Bob at September 08, 2010 01:58 PM (RwvAY)

308 Islam is not the religion of peace, it is the religion of taqiyya. If they threaten violence, they could be lying. If they commit violence, I say find the perps and prosecute them to the full extent of the law. If they ramp up violence abroad, I say bomb them back to the Chalcolithic to smithereens.

Posted by: Thorvald at September 08, 2010 01:58 PM (jvl3N)

309 Drew, if we are at war, when did you serve? We aren't at war, the military is at war. Burning korans doesn't put them in danger, the CODE Pink ROE instituted by imam Obama does.

Posted by: Old grizzled gym coach at September 08, 2010 01:59 PM (QBQcg)

310 What are we supposed to do, Drew? Overturn the first amendment, but only for
Christians? Leftists and muslims desecrate symbols valued by others
all the time, and I don't see any generals condemning that.
Apparently, the freedom of expression is only sacred if you're a
violent, obnoxious piece of crap. Everyone else is expected to hold
their tongues and walk on eggshells. What kind of dhimmi BS is this?

Posted by: lAvg Dude at September 08, 2010 02:00 PM (RwvAY)

311 MikeinAmman,
If you don't see the double standard, I can't hit you over the head with it.

Posted by: Beagle at September 08, 2010 02:00 PM (sOtz/)

312 Muslims kill innocent people all over the world every day, and we are supposed to be concerned about hurting their feelings? I knew a woman on one of the planes that struck one of the twin towers, her 2 young girls attended the same school as my children. I don't care if their feelings are hurt, we should be defending ourselves, and make them give up their conquest. All you koran defenders have Hillary Clinton, Eric Holder and Charles Johnson saying the same as you are.

Posted by: bowel movement at September 08, 2010 02:02 PM (05Stc)

313
"the folks over there are buring flags and people in effigy at just the
mention of burning Korans - does anyone else think it is just another
excuse to be violent?"

They need an excuse for violence like I need one to drink.

Posted by: right at September 08, 2010 02:05 PM (EquV1)

314 It's only a double standard if you believe that every single Moslem is demanding things that they themselves won't give in return. I'm not talking about walking up to someone burning an Israeli flag and lecturing them on hypocrisy when they are protesting the burning of Korans. Fuck them. I am talking about what I've been having to do much of the past three days--explaining to people who have never done anyone any harm why this is one of those Western values things that they should get behind personally, because after all, other Moslems have done worse. Would that logic work on you?

Posted by: MikeinAmman at September 08, 2010 02:05 PM (elcpe)

315 Posted by: lAvg Dude at September 08, 2010 02:00 PM (RwvAY)

Um, where did I say they shouldn't be allowed to do it?

I'll wait for you to provide a quote of mine to support your accusation.

Actually, since I never did say any such thing, I won't.

You do realize it's possible to think something is stupid and still legal, right?

Posted by: DrewM. at September 08, 2010 02:07 PM (ycZcD)

316 I am urging all Zionist and Christian forces who are working with this blaspheming Christian Church against the Islamic Holy Forces of Allah to submit immediately.

Otherwise,
we will hold them responsible for their actions. Any attempt to fight
the Islamic Holy forces of Allah is pointless. We are committed to
putting all of the world under our jurisdiction.

You cannot
overcome the Islamic Holy Forces of Allah now that we have our brother,
Imam Obama, in control of your country and it's military. Any individual
or group that tries to fight the Islamic Holy Forces of Allah will now
be humiliated at the White House or be humiliated by our new brother, DrewM. With the help of our brother, Imam Obama, the Islamic Holy Forces of Allah will easily overcome this Christian Church and it's Zionist, Christian, Infidel and
AceofSpades stooges. Allah
willing.

The great
dream of Islam will
come true. Muslims dream to see flags that read: There is no God but Allah fluttering in the wind over the White House, New York City Ground Zero, the Temple Mount and Haram al-Sharif, South Park and over Ace of Spades, Allah willing.

Posted by: Aleph at September 08, 2010 02:08 PM (RwvAY)

317 Posted by: MikeinAmman at September 08, 2010 02:05 PM (elcpe)
How about just saying that Radical statments... beget radical statements... and that after YEARS of chants of Death to America, some folks in the US are finally loosing their temper...

Posted by: Romeo13 at September 08, 2010 02:08 PM (H+oXM)

318 Call me naive, I don't think logic is working in the muslim world.

Posted by: bowel movement at September 08, 2010 02:10 PM (05Stc)

319 "RwvAY"

That's the worstest misspelling of "douchebag" evah.

Posted by: Herr Morgenholz at September 08, 2010 02:10 PM (5aa4z)

320 MikeinAmman,
Do you see how irrational it is for Muslims to get angry at unbelievers for the actions of one trivial church which speaks for about four dozen people (who have subsequently been attacked by every powerful person on Earth)?
If so, how can you defend people as 'moderate' who would let that action color what they think about freedom or the US as a whole?
I get it, you live there. Losing the freedom to criticize Islam is no problem for you because you have given it up voluntarily.

Posted by: Beagle at September 08, 2010 02:11 PM (sOtz/)

321 Romeo 13, I HAVE said that. For some reason, these people that, once again, have never done anyone any harm, have themselves never demanded anything of the West, or discriminated personally against anyone of another religion, are less than welcoming of the view that they should just suck it up because other Moslems, not them, and Moslems they don't know and don't agree with, have done much worse in the course of human history. Petty little fuckers, aren't they?

Posted by: MikeinAmman at September 08, 2010 02:11 PM (elcpe)

322 Does anyone remember the backlash against Mormons after the Prop 8 vote in California? They put Prop 8 supporters' names and addresses online and encouraged people to harass them, they disrupted Mormon services and smeared Mormons as intolerant and bigots, etc.

Rush just played statements by Hillary Clinton and Michael Bloomberg against the church burning Korans. Did anyone high up in our government make any similar statements about those who were harassing Mormons post-Prop 8?

Posted by: Clyde Shelton at September 08, 2010 02:12 PM (NITzp)

323 Beagle, go fuck yourself. I haven't given up any freedom, except the freedom to see my home and family as often as I would like, because the work I do is important here. And I have spent plenty of time here in Jordan and in Turkey, standing tall in front of the man because I have criticized Islam. I have received death threats for criticizing Islam, you worthless piece of shit. But I have also been supported by Moslems who want a different world than that. Those are the people I am speaking for. fuck-nuts.

Posted by: MikeinAmman at September 08, 2010 02:14 PM (elcpe)

324 "You do realize it's possible to think something is stupid and still legal, right?


Posted by: DrewM. at September 08, 2010 02:07 PM"

I certainly think so.

You, afterall, are a prime example. of stupid, but legal.

And remember now, before you blow a gasket, "What's sauce for the goose, is sauce for the gander".

Posted by: Holmes at September 08, 2010 02:14 PM (X0oa3)

325 If we are going to use military force, we should seek to devastate the enemy.

I've been reading some Victor Davis Hanson and I am convinced that this is the only way to win a war and bring peace.

I am also drawn to the conclusion that the politics and psychology of Americans is a stop to the successful prosecution of any war.

We won't fight.

Not for reals.

(I'm not calling anybody a pussy BTW. It's just a sobering realization.)

Visiting certain devastation upon a land or a people who transgress against us is an impossibility.

There will never again be such a thing as a "Peace Treaty" because there will never again be anything like a proper war.

There is something deeply wrong when a General Casey publicly worries more about "diversity" than he does about actual casualties.

I'm just a civilian, so what do I know.








Posted by: Deety at September 08, 2010 02:14 PM (aVzyR)

326 Posted by: Aleph at September 08, 2010 02:08 PM (RwvAY)
But all ya Ragheads need to be downright fearfull of the amazing Power of the American Asshole..
Yep, we are the biggest Assholes on the face of the Earth... and yer pissin us off.
As this Lefty chick who I was bone'n once tole me... I need to "embrace my inner self"... well.. that inner self... is an Asshole...
Hell... the Constitution is chock full of Amendments givin me the Right to be an Asshole..
Its about time ta clean out the outhouse ya all call countries...

Posted by: Billy Jim Bob at September 08, 2010 02:15 PM (H+oXM)

327 The only time I've ever seen this inbred moron preacher was on Hardball. Chris Matthews was the first TV host to give this slobbering loon air time. Matthews' angle: Set a trap for Republicans. Since the degenerate padre voiced respect for George W. Bush, it's now Bush's problem, and Bush's fault if the Korans burn. Bush could have stopped this, by exerting every last ounce of his life, his fortune and his sacred honor, but he didn't.

Matthews is all about setting traps these days. Sadly, there's always some imbecile like Rick Lazio who thinks he'll get a fair hearing on MSNBC.

Posted by: Little Miss Spellcheck at September 08, 2010 02:16 PM (xqhoO)

328 A "moderate muslim" is one who doesn't like the odds yet. He's waiting for his not-so-moderate friends to kill a few more of us before he joins in the fun. Read the fucking book, guys. It's all right there in left-handed squigglies. These guys are the worst threat our nation has ever faced. They make the nazis and the Soviets look like girl scouts. The sooner we come to terms with that fact, the sooner we can start figuring out how the Hell we are going to save the First Amendment from itself.
I hope you will all join me in purchasing an "Islam is of the Devil" coffeemug from Terry Jones http://tinyurl.com/299tyaz. He's going to need all the help he can get.

Posted by: JinEugene at September 08, 2010 02:17 PM (DQ7pa)

329 Just left the little old bitty at Sears with her mouth open in disbelief. She started some rant about 'that church in Florida' and 'can you believe what they're going to do? to me. She expected me to fall into the leftist belief of 'religion of peace' horseshit and their hatred of all things Christian.

I picked up my bag and said, "I'm not about to surrender my First Amendment rights to a supremacist ideology waging war against all things western. Nor do I think anyone should be forced or coerced through public opinion. This is still America. If they bought the book they should be able to burn it. That's free speech."

Her mouth opened in disbelief. A fly could have landed in it.

Posted by: Public Service Message at September 08, 2010 02:17 PM (IhHdM)

330 Hey Mike,
I believe everything you say because you bravely type "fuck" sitting behinda computer. Nothing convinces like constantly puffing up your own personal gone-native bona fides.

Posted by: Beagle at September 08, 2010 02:18 PM (sOtz/)

331 "gives needless offensive to decent Muslims ..."
Really??!! Would that be the same decent Muslims who are ever so silent about their "religion" being hijacked by 'extremists'? The same decent Muslims whose book is full of rage and murder? The same book condoning the marriage and rape of nine year old girls?
THESE PEOPLE NEED TO BE SLAPPED IN THE FACE THE SAME WAY CHRISTIANITY AND JUDAISM HAVE BEEN.
I don't see the Christians and Jews offering to cut off heads or explode bombs every time some asshat disrespects their religion.
All you Muslims need to get over yourselves.

Posted by: chuck in st paul at September 08, 2010 02:18 PM (adr25)

332 "Charles Johnson saying the same as you are.


Posted by: bowel movement at September 08, 2010 02:02 PM "



Charles Johnson is an emotional six-year-old with extraordinary powers to control the blog where he rules by simply wishing away people and things that anger or confound him. Charles has the mind and imagination of a typical lunatic. The people at LGF have to look like lizards all the time, think lizard thoughts, and say lizard things, because thats what Charles commands and, if they disobey, he can wish them into a cornfield from whence they are never to be seen or heard from again What few adults remain try nervously to think like lizards and tell Charles that hes a good boy, hoping that Charless terrible power wont be turned upon themselves.

Posted by: FeralCat at September 08, 2010 02:20 PM (sd7Wv)

333 Beagle, go fuck yourself. I haven't given up any freedom, except the freedom to see my home and family as often as I would like, because the work I do is important here. And I have spent plenty of time here in Jordan and in Turkey, standing tall in front of the man because I have criticized Islam. I have received death threats for criticizing Islam, you worthless piece of shit. But I have also been supported by Moslems who want a different world than that. Those are the people I am speaking for. fuck-nuts.
Posted by: MikeinAmman
I'm unsure as to what Beagle meant. I do know that I have to surrender certain freedoms if I wish to travel in certain Middle Eastern countries (carrying a bible for example). I realize that this is not uniform. That some Muslims want a change is heartening. And I realize that peole often live a double standard (Muslims here have a greater freedom to exercise their religion here than I do mine, there). My earlier point is that this double standard is a huge impediement, and possibly a fatal one. They are demanding a standard that doesn't exist here for ANY religion, and is less onerous then they ones that THEY impose on Christianity. Perhaps that is where the problem lies. When such actions are committed, it is familar to what they intentionally do to Christians. If we knewwhy they take such actions, it would go a long way toward understanding their resentment from stunts occurring here.

Posted by: Blue Hen at September 08, 2010 02:21 PM (R2fpr)

334 Beagle, your initial accusation of dishonor and voluntarily giving up my freedom came from behind a computer screen. What do you want me to say? That's what a blog is, something behind a computer screen. Why did you resort to personal insult, is all I want to know. Why didn't you fly to Amman and say it to my face? Because that's a ridiculous question, that's why? So don't insult me, and then when I fire back, use the old, "You're awful brave from behind that computer, aren't you?" How else can I respond? But if you're truly serious, let's talk privately and set up a meeting.

Posted by: MikeinAmman at September 08, 2010 02:22 PM (elcpe)

335 Soon to be added to the ethics test at UC Berkley:
If a preacher burns a koran wrapped in the US flag, is that OK?
Extra points if you can prove that the preacher is gay

Posted by: HoundOfDoom at September 08, 2010 02:28 PM (tQ7IJ)

336 You've never been to Quebec, have you?
Posted by: The Highland Pipes at September 08, 2010 02:22 PM (dil1d)
Nah... I've been up dere with the Canuks... hell... even been to France and seen French assholes...
But they still don't hold a candle to the good Ole Ugly American!
I mean... crap, we're still the only country who've actualy USED Nukes... an we did it TWICED!
Now, gotta admit my Government, and their citizen of the world crap has me a might confused... we need somone like Ole Tricky Dick back in office... yep... we need an Asshole as President... but one that understands he's supposed to be an Asshole to OTHER Coutnries... not our own... this Precedent has it all turned around...

Posted by: Billy Jim Bob at September 08, 2010 02:31 PM (H+oXM)

337 And by the way, I hate Fred Phelps. I hate gay-haters.

Which is part of why Islam sucks so much. When you look at pictures of an Iranian (citizen of the Islamic Republic of Iran that is) youth hung from a crane because of his sexuality, you might understand.

Posted by: Public Service Message at September 08, 2010 02:33 PM (IhHdM)

338 Extra points if you can prove that the preacher is gay
Posted by: HoundOfDoom at September 08, 2010 02:28 PM (tQ7IJ)
Interesting point that the left claims to be cool with homosexuality, but is happy to use it as a weapon against someone they disagree with.

Posted by: Randy at September 08, 2010 02:33 PM (zQKSr)

339 The only thing I have learned from this thread is my burning desire to curl up with runningrn on a patchwork quilt made of baby pandas, with a can of non dairy whip cream and a bowl of strawberries in front of a koran fueled fire after a long tempo run.

Posted by: evil libertarian at September 08, 2010 02:34 PM (PZ3qH)

340 BTW, nice post DrewM. You hit most of the high points on hypocrisy and double standards.
Mike,
I think I'll pass on flying to Jordan to be ambushed at the airport by a disgruntled ex-pat.
But FTR, in Jordan you can be put in prison for up to three years for blaphemy. So forgive me for thinking they actually enforce that part of the penal code against foreign workers.Which they have, recently.

Posted by: Beagle at September 08, 2010 02:36 PM (sOtz/)

341 Why the elevation of a sickening book bringing only evil to the world, the koran to a status that American icons themselves do not enjoy?

That's a question for the left.

So busy persecuting the last bastions of strength against tyranny, namely faith and family, I don't think that they know who they are in bed with.

The enemy of my enemy is my friend.

That's how these simpletons think!

I'll fight as much as possible but if we are defeated, Dear Lord please let me see a gay activist get beheaded right before I swing on a soccer-field!

Remember when Jay Lenno's wife was all about women's rights and the Taliban in Afghanistan?

Of course you don't.

That's my job.

To notice shit and remember.

Posted by: Deety at September 08, 2010 02:38 PM (aVzyR)

342 338 Yep, we are the biggest Assholes on the face of the Earth...You've never been to Quebec, have you?- - - -
I Declare a thread winner!

Posted by: chuck in st paul at September 08, 2010 02:39 PM (adr25)

343
Rev. Terry Jones has reportedly received over 100 death threats already. Will you defend his right to live, DrewM? Or do you think Muslims "sensitivities are more important?

Posted by: FeralCat at September 08, 2010 02:41 PM (sd7Wv)

344 While it is a stupid stunt, it is instructive how there's this much attention and outrage that goes with one freakin kook in the middle of nowhere burning one fucking book while Christians are insulted pissed on and made fun of worldwide all the time and oddly they aren't rioting or burning flags.

Fuck Islam I guess is my point.

Posted by: TehSchlip at September 08, 2010 02:45 PM (xm1A1)

345 Let me just say up front that the guy who wants to do this is an attention whore who is about the worst advertisement of Christianity one could imagine short of Fred Phelps. Burning Korans gives needless offensive to decent Muslims (you know, the ones who won't riot and kill over it) and accomplishes nothing. I mean, book burning? Really? If that's what you resort to as part of your "argument", you've already lost.
And all this time I thought Ayman al Zawahri was the attention whore. Muslims don't have the right not to be offended. If the so-called "decent" muslims don't do anything about the ones who do riot and kill over it, it's because they don't want to.
If burning a book that advocates killing and subjugating "infidels" for Islam gets your panties in a bunch,instead ofsupporting the eradication ofthe hadjis who practice what the book preaches, then you have no fucking argument.
If I had a koran, I'd burn the fucker. Who the hell cares?

Posted by: SFC MAC at September 08, 2010 02:46 PM (ZGdhe)

346 Mike In Amman
I am talking about what I've been having to do much of the past three days--explaining to people who have never done anyone any harm why this is one of those Western values things that they should get behind personally, because after all, other Moslems have done worse.
Why do you have to explain anything? This is america, we have freedom of speech, we do not need to change ourselves or our values to make islam "moderates" happy. If you feel that is what is needed, you are missing the point.
Muslims very much understand burning and desecrating other religions' trappings. They do it all the time in every muslim country. To pretend otherwise is dishonest. So, they don't need an explanation, and if this is what turns them from supporting freedom and peace - then they lied about ever being interested in freedom and peace in the first insance.
Everyone who is arguing that we should prostrate ourselves and treat islam different than we do any other religion, is a usefull idiot at best, or a dhimmi at worst. Stop telling us how we need to kiss islam's ass.

Posted by: Monkeytoe at September 08, 2010 02:46 PM (sOx93)

347 Call me when the books actually burn.
Also, If one allows the double standard it will flourish. Further, when a class sees double standards surrounding it, affected class will want some DS treatment itself.

Posted by: Not a Hyperventilating Pussy at September 08, 2010 02:47 PM (Bs8Te)

348 We might not like it, and we can puff our chests out all we want, but if we truly care about the troops, we wouldn't add even the slightest burden to them.
Like pusillanimous ROE?
BTW: I served in Iraq twice--1st Armored Divison and 101st Airborne.
I'm still looking for "moderate" muslims to come out of the woodwork, enmasse.

Posted by: SFC MAC at September 08, 2010 02:50 PM (ZGdhe)

349 Maybe "they" hate us because they know we can nuke Mecca. Not that we will, or plan to. But that we can.

Posted by: Not Quite at September 08, 2010 02:51 PM (Bs8Te)

350 And, to my last point - yeah, it would be great if nobody ever offered offense or insult to anyone else or anyone else's religion.
But that is not the way it works in a free society and Islam does not deserve, and should not receive, special dispensation simply b/c they are more likely than anyone else to engage in violence in response to insult. Indeed, it seems to me that we should spend more time insulting islam so that they get over it and join the 21st century.

Posted by: Monkeytoe at September 08, 2010 02:52 PM (sOx93)

351 Yep, we are the biggest Assholes on the face of the Earth...

You've never been to Quebec, have you?
- - - -

I Declare a thread winner


Seconded.
In fact, I think that this requires a quorum.
Tell me that that random and completely unwarranted insult to Canadians and most especially the Quebecois wasn't funny!
All I need now, is seven votes.
I'm pretty sure of 2 of the 9...


Posted by: Deety at September 08, 2010 02:53 PM (aVzyR)

352 I care about someone burning the Koran as much as I do about someone burning toast.

How is this news?

Posted by: Doctor Love at September 08, 2010 02:58 PM (qxcKC)

353 Yep, we are the biggest Assholes on the face of the Earth...You've never been to Quebec, have you?- - - -
I Declare a thread winner

Seconded.
In fact, I think that this requires a quorum.
Tell me that that random and completely unwarranted insult to Canadians and most especially the Quebecois wasn't funny!
All I need now, is seven votes.
I'm pretty sure of 2 of the 9...

Posted by: Deety at September 08, 2010 02:53 PM (aVzyR)
This has my vote.

Posted by: Blue Hen at September 08, 2010 03:03 PM (R2fpr)

354 Okay, Blue Hen.

Thanks for your support!

All we need now, is like 6 socks to speak up and make it unanimous.

I know that I should be content with a majority "Heh!" but I want to DOMINATE the committee!

If we get 6 more votes for "thread winner" I think that we will have delivered an important message to the powers that be.






Posted by: Deety at September 08, 2010 03:18 PM (aVzyR)

355 A victory Mosque at ground zero, to commemorate the murderous religion of Islam.
Highy provocative and insensitive.
However, and exercise of First amendment rights.

Burning a Koran, also to commemorate the murderous religion of Islam.
Highy provocative and insensitive.
However, also and exercise of First amendment rights.

Posted by: steve at September 08, 2010 03:21 PM (fnJX1)

356 Posted by: Deety at September 08, 2010 03:18 PM (aVzyR)

Sorry... but them there Quebocers are only Assholes if ya go there... but us Americans are Assholes worldwide.
I mean heck... when was the last time Quebec invaded anything? War of 1812?

Posted by: Billy Jim Bob at September 08, 2010 03:27 PM (H+oXM)

357 Spin it any way you want, the bottom line is that being nutty is working real well for Muslims. We are allowing them to set up a double standard, another step closer to Sharia. If burning Korans is going to get our guys killed, then we should bring them all home. Afghanistan and Iraq aren't worth our efforts.

Posted by: Ken Royall at September 08, 2010 03:28 PM (9zzk+)

358 The koran should not be burned. It is extra soft and absorbent. I have better uses for it. General Betray us has stepped over the line. He has no right to set or comment on Domestic policy. He is a disgrace and is out of line. The pagan barbarians who worship the child molester mohamed have no right to regulate free speech.

Posted by: FlaviusJulius at September 08, 2010 03:31 PM (9cflz)

359 Practicing islam in America is sedition and treason.

Posted by: FlaviusJulius at September 08, 2010 03:32 PM (9cflz)

360 So when these guys get their throats sliced open live on the internet...

will the libs excuse it because the Islamists were victims?

Posted by: joeindc44 at September 08, 2010 03:46 PM (QxSug)

361 Posted by: Billy Jim Bob at September 08, 2010 03:27 PM (H+oXM)

Haven't you seen Team America? We're not assholes, we're dicks.

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at September 08, 2010 03:48 PM (FkKjr)

362 I haven't read all the comments but, that Quebec line is gold.

Posted by: that guy that doesn't read all the comments at September 08, 2010 03:56 PM (S5YRY)

363 "Yeah I do think it will rile up these animal moron muslim terrorists. And all I care about is how it will effect the troops on the ground, some of whom are my friends and unit members and many others I cleared for deployment. And if this asshole, if you saw him interviewed he really is a moron, gets any of them hurt or killed because of his anti-American actions ( yes book burning is legal but anti-American) yeah I 'd be real pissed."

So you're saying that they haven't been "riled up" until now?
Riiiight. Where's your sign?

Posted by: Jess at September 08, 2010 04:06 PM (xvvVt)

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340: I mean... crap, we're still the only country who've actualy [sic] USED Nukes... an [sic] we did it TWICED [sic; how many more times?] !


Posted by: Billy Jim Bob at September 08, 2010 02:31 PM (H+oXM)

Yes, and the number of dead people was less because we used them.

Posted by: Arbalest at September 08, 2010 04:17 PM (Fpx+H)

365 Just to be clear about something...we are in a war that has many facets.
You've hit the nail on the head, DrewM. We have an enemy that observes no rules of combat.
We, on the other hand, do. That's what makes us civilized.
The paradox is that we, for some strange reason, are refusing to abide by our own rules, specifically those set up in the Geneva Conventions that allow us to deal with terrorists. We have the right to execute them. It's right there in black and white.
Were we to do that, I think we'd see the terrorists back down. The only reason they are so bold is that they see our weakness.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy at September 08, 2010 04:24 PM (kFODZ)

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Posted by: Tonto the mule wrangler at September 08, 2010 04:38 PM (/jbAw)

367 As a citizen, and as president, I believe that Muslims Americans have the same right to practice their Religion Freedom of Speech as everyone else in this country,
That includes the right to build a place of worship and a community center burn a Koran on private property in lower Manhattan America, in accordance with local laws and ordinances.
This is America, and our commitment to religious freedom of speech must be unshakable.

Posted by: steve at September 08, 2010 04:44 PM (fnJX1)

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Posted by: sonnyspats at September 08, 2010 05:08 PM (2DxKT)

370 Burning books is only considered bad because the government has done it in the past to keep those books out of the hands of the people. When a person burns their own book as a form of protest then that is perfectly fine.

Moderate or extreme, Islam is a vile creed. Its text, the Koran, is filled with disgusting acts committed by the "prophet" Mohamed. Too much of the world lives in a blighted and benighted state because of Islam and its malevolent superstitions. All religions are a form of insanity but only Islam is of the criminal sort.

A book is a book. The Islamic world needs to be reminded of that fact in as many ways as possible. They will not get special treatment as a reward for their barbaric and violent behavior. They will get our well earned ire and contempt.

We can't sit here and pretend that it is OK for a billion people or more to emulate the acts of a man who practiced slavery, murder and rape and used all of those methods to spread his creed. Such a course of action will end up worse than confronting such absurdity directly.

Instead of cursing the darkness strike a light... and burn a Koran. You know you want to.

Posted by: Koran Printers Association at September 08, 2010 05:30 PM (sfNbl)

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Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at September 08, 2010 05:41 PM (h60Tu)

372 Why does the fact that a minor-leage dumbshit has enemies who are major-leage dumbshits mean I have to jump on ANY dumbshit's bandwagon? *OF COURSE* he has a right not to be murdered and the jihadi fucknuts are in the wrong, but it would be nice if Jones wasn't working so damned hard to obscure that fact by making his message *look* like it's associated with every other dumbshit ignorant jerkoff who held a book-burning party, *including* the damned jihadis!
Maybe if Jones had, you know, done something useful like get information out on Islamic abuses, violence and mass terror movements instead of just being a dickwad, something useful MIGHT be accomplished here.Alas, nothing but friendly fire will, because people would rather rage out (however pathetically) than actually accomplish anything. Nobody is going to listen because the messenger is an asshole, and it doesn't matter for a SECOND how much *more* of an asshole the jihadis are.And here's a hint as to the difference between "draw Mo day" and "burn a Koran day" - in the West, drawing a cartoon doesn't have inherent negativity associated with it, so people in the West could see a disconnect between themselves and Islam. It *TAUGHT* some otherwise ignorant people something.
Book burning has negative connotations in the West, so the ignorant dupes over here don't see that disconnect when the Islamists go ape-shit - in fact, you're creating an opportunity for sympathy for the dumbshits who don't already get it.
GOOD JOB.

Posted by: Merovign, Strong on His Mountain at September 08, 2010 05:57 PM (bxiXv)

373 you know what, fuck these fuckers and their fucking Bible-light plagarism.

We've dealt with piss christ and all the other lib shit here. Islam has eradicated jews and christians from every country they've taken over.

They're at war with us not because we're not sensitive but because they sense we're weak.

BTW, the Quebec line is quite funny.

Posted by: socky mcsocksalot at September 08, 2010 06:16 PM (QxSug)

374 If libs are so upset about the impact of this act on Muslim sensibilities why did they give it worldwide coverage in the first damn place? Why is it people halfway around the world already know about this? Has this congregation ever done anything else that warranted being reported even on the last page of Section G of the local paper?

Posted by: Call me Lennie at September 08, 2010 06:35 PM (GOsSG)

375 Burning Korans is certainly stupid but it's no less a senseless provocation that building a mosque right next to ground zero would be. Why bitch real loudly about one and then kind of grumble but accept the other?

Posted by: cackfinger at September 08, 2010 07:10 PM (TUBcJ)

376 If we shouldn't inflame Muslim insensibilities by setting fire to some paper, should we instead do what they do and stone a girl to death for offending them in some way? (we could, for example, stone women who wear short skirts maybe?)


Posted by: Russtovich at September 08, 2010 07:13 PM (acXih)

377 You know, I'll level with you. I was going to become a Muslim, but they're a little thinned skinned for me.

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378 Mike in Amman,
I see your problem. What to tell all the good little peace-loving Koran-readers you play funnsies within Amman. How about this? Tell them that their fucked-up little pamphletmakes ussick. Their belief that some baby-raping, bloodthirstyscumbucket gangster was the greatest manwho ever lived, and a perfect role model,causes us to think there must be something really, really wrong with them.That wethink it really sucks to be them.Yeah, tell them that. Tell them the truth. Promote some intercultural understanding there, dude.


Posted by: JinEugene at September 08, 2010 09:19 PM (DQ7pa)

379 Does a moderate Muslim really care that much that someone burns a Koran or two? I know I don't. Lots of other people are freaking out over it, but they really shouldn't. Sure, I can understand how it might bother 'em. But the world is full of a**holes that will do stupid things.

Just, for instance; a Christian might care when someone pisses on the Virgin Mary. But how many artists get stabbed? Or, say; maybe a Buddhist, when a couple of their most ancient statues got 'sploded. See any riots; anywhere? Who knows how to piss off a Hindu? We could go on, and on, unfortunately.

But hey... If we have to go on, it seems to me we need a more "nuanced" definition of what "moderate" is for our Muslim friends. Surely they're out there. They go to work, go home, maybe get a beer, or not. (okay, could that make a moderate, er.... moderate? maybe breaking some rules?) But they fly kites. They dance. They like ice cream. There's joy. Despite what the ayatollha says.

Maybe they go to Mosque on Friday.... have a good weekend..... work hard and make a living for the family during the week..... have fun with friends and family and neighbors..... and do it again..... Live life and be happy. Maybe even play baseball or basketbal, heck; roller derby. Maybe even Thanksgiving! And, let's not forget, many participate in an American electorate, the American Dream, because they love it; because they can. Because they're free! Sound moderate?

Not if you read news or watch it on TV. It's probably an academic, or maybe a media thing, or both. But theirs is no definition of 'moderate' at all. They don't know Islam or America. "Moderate" has become more and more how to describe a Muslim leader who doesn't condone suicide bombers, one who doesn't approve stoning women, one who doesn't wan't to wipe Israel off the map or; well, it actually gets worse.

Well, fine. If that's 'moderate' I don't want them in America, let alone building a mosque at Ground Zero. How's that for moderate? I'll bet American Muslims agree, and I'm sure we'll be hearing from them soon. .

Posted by: Jimmy at September 08, 2010 09:38 PM (3ixWE)

380 LOL.

AWWW. Pleeeeeease don't inflame the passions of islam/muslims, Drew cries (as he wets his pants). We are better than this!!

If we were "better" than this, we'd ensure that the evil that other's call islam, was not allowed in our country.

muslims come PRE-inflamed. EVERYTHING we do or don't do (you want a mosque, WHERE??), "inflames" them.

What the Drew's of the world don't, and never will, understand, is that islam/muslims hate us. They are commanded to by the koran. NOT because we "inflame" them, but because we are NOT them.

They hate us, and want us to submit, because WE ARE NOT THEM. Nothing else fits into the equation. Nothing, other than submission, is on their wish list. They will do it incrementally, (with Drew's and Ace's help) or all at once, but they will do it.

Being Godless, this site sees this as some sort of a way to blend the "religions" They are ALL the same, right? I'm sure this gets filed, like not opposing Sotomeyor, under the "playing into their hands" category - not NOW, not for THIS!!! Wait for our chance...

islam is not a religion. When this finally sets in (LOL), we will begin to end this little problem we have with the muslim "street"

That was a joke - it will never set in. When that nuke goes off, and it will, in an American country, Drew, and Ace, will see it as ANOTHER isolated occurrence, and begin the search for the REAL problem...people like me who see it clear as day right now.

Burn the f*cking things. That book is the problem, not us...



Posted by: JS at September 08, 2010 09:40 PM (Ane7S)

381 so burn it.... no one who doesn't care will not care......

Posted by: Jimmy at September 08, 2010 09:49 PM (3ixWE)

382 yeah that was really stupid....... if you could really burn all of 'em.... that's one thing.... nobody cares if you burn one..... 'cept muslims

Posted by: Jimmy at September 08, 2010 09:54 PM (3ixWE)

383 Leftards have really lost it. They think Obama should go to court and ask for an injunction against the koran burning. If that happens, I will definitely burn one.

Posted by: Moi at September 08, 2010 10:06 PM (Ez4Ql)

384 His admin is kooky, but that's never gonna happen

Posted by: Jimmy at September 08, 2010 10:15 PM (3ixWE)

385 If you burn a Koran and I do nothing to you for it, then there might be something wrong with you and there probably isn't anything wrong with me.

If you burn a Koran and I kill you for it, there might be something wrong with you, but there definitely is something seriously wrong with me.

Provocations are not the problem.

Reactions are the problem.

Posted by: eman at September 08, 2010 10:16 PM (gF6M4)

386 We just need some lefty pundit to claim that Islam is the Religion of Peace and, at the same time, warn that we should be careful not to provoke their horrendous rage, and we're set to go.

Disclaimer for left-tards: This commenter does not condone Koran burning, but feel free to misconstrue my argument anyway.

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388 I don't watch TV, so I'm late to this party: Drudge is running a story that shows Koran Burner has a cult. here
It suddenly occured to me they want the violent jihadis to burn them up in their church, sort of like Jim Jones. Of course, they can count on the violent jihadis to do it.

Posted by: Thorvald at September 09, 2010 07:41 AM (ccn4n)

389
The
cat is out of the bag and there is nothing we can do except delay the
inevitable. Burning books, especially a religious tome such as the
Quran is detestable and repugnant but it is LEGAL in the U.S.A.To burn
any book or item as a political statement within local fire regulations.

Sure, we can Violate this individuals Constitutionally protected
right to do so in deference to the dictates of the largely illiterate
Muslim Masses world wide. But there will be copy cat Quran burners and
the match will be lit any way regardless.

We should get out of Af-Pak A.S.A.P. Our brave warriors are
hamstrung by the R.O.E. that proscribe any hope of victory. Only the
guaranteed increase in flag draped coffins returning home for their last
trip. Under current conditions we are going to leave the country in
chaos no matter what strategy our Military has short of all out war. We
are fighting with rules that only Liberal anti-war academics can feel
comfortable with while they drink their Chablis and eat their Brie,
discussing the Socialist agenda they have planned for this great
Nation.

Face facts on the ground. These people will find any excuse to hate
us for all of our accomplishments.They are relentless in their
objectives and the will be no won hearts and minds no matter what we
do or say. This entire region used to have many Christian and Jewish
and Bahai, Hindu, Buddhist and other faiths living there but all have
left over the last 100 years due to persecution and taxation. The
Educated classes flee as soon as they can and all you have left is
people who only know one book, the Quran. Their true colors come out
over an event like this.

Just as a drunk says what he is really thinking with out
inhibitions, those drunk with religious extremism express what they
really think when imbibed with these calls to hate from their Imams.

There is no current solution, only separation.

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