Oh. My. Poll Puts Dino Rossi Ahead of Patty "Tennis Moron" Murray By Seven Frickin' Points

Oh my.

The first KING 5 Senate poll for the 2010 general election shows Republican Dino Rossi is actually ahead of Democratic incumbent Patty Murray, 52% to 45%.

In most polls leading up to this week’s primary election and on primary night, Murray was in the lead. Primary election results placed Murray 13 points ahead of Rossi, but Rossi splitting the Republican vote with Clint Didier who got 12%, and Paul Akers, with 3%.

The new K5 poll of 618 likely voters, conducted by SurveyUSA, is the first look at a Murray-Rossi matchup in November. It suggests that even without an official endorsement from Didier, many of Didier’s supporters would choose Rossi over Murray. Akers has endorsed Rossi, but Didier is withholding his endorsement at this time.

I saw some Washington readers discussing this, this Didier guy -- what's he up to? What is his beef?

Ah, okay, I found out myself.

Basically he came in a distant third in a combined primary (i.e., Rossi and Murray won it, so they go on to the general) and he's saying he can't support Rossi without promises to block all further federal spending and taxes and introduce a "Sanctity of Life Act."

That last thing would presume to outlaw abortion in the whole country from the federal level down to the states. It's quite obviously unconstitutional according to the present court, and further, is anti-federalist, though I do note that many conservatives only embrace federalism in an unprincipled "it depends on whose ox is getting gored" basis and so I doubt that is any sort of genuine impediment to it.

Here's that Bill... Looking up the text (or summary) of the bill, it actually does suggest that life begins at conception, and that the unborn are "persons" for all relevant state law (including the law of murder, then).

For a second I thought I had it wrong, but I don't; I had it right. It does seem to federalize abortion policy, though I suppose it would be hard for the federal government to force states to prosecute for abortion. Hard, I guess, but not impossible.

Sanctity of Life Act of 2009 - Deems human life to exist from conception, without regard to race, sex, age, health, defect, or condition of dependency and requires that the term "person" include all such human life. Recognizes that each state has authority to protect the lives of unborn children residing in the jurisdiction of that state . Amends the federal judicial code to remove Supreme Court and district court jurisdiction to review cases arising out of any statute, ordinance, rule, regulation, or practice, or any act interpreting such a measure, on the grounds that such measure: (1) protects the rights of human persons between conception and birth; or (2) prohibits, limits, or regulates the performance of abortions or the provision of public funds, facilities, personnel, or other assistance for abortions. Makes this Act and the amendments made by this Act applicable to any case pending on, or commenced on or after, the date of enactment.


Via Nansen Malin (what? What kind of name is that?), via Tammy Bruce.

7 Come Eleven: CAC all-caps it, but I'll forgive him, as he's delivering good news:

THAT MAKES 11 PICKUPS BASED ON LATEST POLLING

WA- ROSSI BY 7
CA- FIORINA BY 5 (per surveyUSA)
NV- ANGLE BY 2 (Rasmussen)
ND- HOEVEN BY 44 (RAS)
AR- BOOZEMAN BY 38 (RAS)
CO- BUCK BY 5 (RAS)
IN- COATS BY 21 (RAS)
IL- KIRK BY 6 (WeAskAmerica)
WI- JOHNSON BY 1 (RAS)
PA- TOOMEY BY 8 (RAS)
DE- CASTLE BY 13 (DailyKos)

Mr. Wolf Said: Put That Dick Down. War Between the Undead States or a variant) says:

SurveyUSA is a good outfit. But Rasmussen also has a new poll out on this race, one showing Murray now up four over Rossi (and at 50% with leaners), and Washington State being what it is and the primary results being what they are, I'm more inclined to believe that one.

Didier's posturing bullshit, which if he keeps it up could very well cost Rossi the election, is exactly the kind of thing that should be a warning to us that no matter what the generic ballot shows, no matter the extent to which the election has been nationalized, these ARE in the end a collection of individual races that will be decided on the tendencies and whims of individual state and district electorates; and that close ones like this (and there are a LOT of close ones; incumbents are very difficult to knock off no matter how bad the environment) will be carried or fucked up by individual candidates or factions. The Democrats are counting on splits like this in as many toss-up races as possible (and are doing their best to engineer them themselves via fake "Tea Party" candidates).

Indeed, the only thing that can stop conservatives from winning these elections is other conservatives, and, alas, that's exactly what some conservatives have in mind.

If this happens: It won't be forgotten.

Because I'll be damned if I ever cast my vote for anyone - in a primary, or in a general -- who is going to play spoilsport bitch and sabotage the winner.

If this shit happens, I personally will never, ever support Clint Didier in the future, and will actively campaign for his Democratic opponent, should he be nominated.

If we don't get your support, jerkoff-- forget ours.

One rule: Either we both heal up and combine up after the primary, or we'll just sit out whatever election you're in n

ext time. We can't win without your 10%? Okay, try winning without our 35%. We cannot have it that a self-righteous spoilsport bitch dickhead decides to sabotage an election -- at least not without some massive retribution in kind.

Either we're all in this together, and we're all on the same team, or we're enemies -- and it's fine if we're enemies, but let me know. Because I don't vote for enemies.

Posted by: Ace at 09:11 PM



Comments

1 no clue on Didier, probably sour grapes. Murray has been on the wrong side of too many votes.

Posted by: Louie at August 20, 2010 09:15 PM (DTfXb)

2 Didier better cut the shit and endorse Dino. King County (Seattle)has plenty of boxes of Murray votes standing by if they need them.

Posted by: fiatboomer at August 20, 2010 09:15 PM (0Wf6c)

3 Whoo Hoo!!!!

Posted by: Mark in Spokane at August 20, 2010 09:15 PM (ztdYC)

4 Is Didier's endorsement critical to the election?

Posted by: Miss'80sBaby at August 20, 2010 09:17 PM (Yq+qN)

5 Didn't past polling, about 6-9 months ago, show if he ran he'd beat her. The hard part is done, now that he's running, and the dems have imploded even more over the past 6-9 months.

Posted by: Purple Avenger at August 20, 2010 09:17 PM (fxL3T)

6 Oh, and of course the jackasses at Oosa Today are still trying to run with the GOP SIVUL WARZ!!!1 narrative.

Posted by: fiatboomer at August 20, 2010 09:17 PM (0Wf6c)

7 Ace, his beef is he wants Rossi to sponser an anti abortion bill similiar to the one Ron Paul introduced in the house that died in order to get his endorsement.
I just listened to his non endorsement speech and he might as well have been endorsing Patty Murray.
It looks like the voters aren't falling for it though. On a local call in show they asked for only Didier supporters to call in and they did. Only one said he wouldn't vote and I am not sure that he wasn't a troll.
That Poll is great fucking news. Lead me out of the jungle baby.

Posted by: robtr at August 20, 2010 09:17 PM (fwSHf)

8 Didier? Ain't thatFrench? That'syourproblem right there.

Posted by: gebrauchshund at August 20, 2010 09:17 PM (ADeN1)

9 Does anyone give a damn for Didier's endorsement? Personally I wouldn't exactly court it.

Posted by: arhooley at August 20, 2010 09:18 PM (8sASd)

10 This Didier fellow is confirming my support for Rossi even more.What a tool.
This would be a big win. Patty Murray is the dumbest person in the Senate.

Posted by: Delta Smelt at August 20, 2010 09:18 PM (IRwVS)

11 4
Is Didier's endorsement critical to the election?

Short answer, no.

Posted by: Mark in Spokane at August 20, 2010 09:20 PM (ztdYC)

12 He got 12% of the vote in the primary, so that's not nothin'. Even if we assume half of his voters will naturally peel off for Rossi, another quarter would go if he asked them to, and he seems to want to be a dick about it so he can try again in some other office without having lowered himself to play politics in politics.

Posted by: ace at August 20, 2010 09:20 PM (QbA6l)

13 Ah yes. Patty Murray. The Year of the Woman. "I'm just a mom in tennis shoes."

When, of course, she was a longtime Democratic/libtard activist.

But the MFM willingly spread the lie.

My God, how I hate them.

Posted by: tsj017 at August 20, 2010 09:21 PM (vOH26)

14 Why can't this guy get with the program and run against Cantwell (Robtr mentioned this a few days ago) in a couple years?

Posted by: Delta Smelt at August 20, 2010 09:22 PM (IRwVS)

15 and he seems to want to be a dick about it so he can try again in some other office without having lowered himself to play politics in politics.
Posted by: ace at August 20, 2010 09:20 PM (QbA6l
I'm not sure that stategy is going to work for him. Most of his voters were downright pissed at his BS. We're starving for a win here and I don't think voters are going to sit it out because Didier is being a dick.

Posted by: robtr at August 20, 2010 09:23 PM (fwSHf)

16 11 4 Short answer, no.
Aha. Well, he'd be best to accept the fact he lost move-on then.

Posted by: Miss'80sBaby at August 20, 2010 09:24 PM (Yq+qN)

17 He also promised on May 28th on the same call in show that he would back whoever won the primary 100% and he just made a liar out of himself.

Posted by: robtr at August 20, 2010 09:24 PM (fwSHf)

18 >>>Why can't this guy get with the program and run against Cantwell (Robtr mentioned this a few days ago) in a couple years?

Well that probably is what he's thinking, and that he must remain "pure" to keep his chances at their highest level.

Posted by: ace at August 20, 2010 09:25 PM (QbA6l)

19 Didier was interviewed on 770 earlier in the year and said if he lost, he would go all out and support whomever won the primary. Now he's not living up to that. So can he be trusted on anything he says?

I voted Rossi because I think he has the better name recognition, and I think some WA voters have gregoire remorse and wish that Rossi had won the governors race in '04.

I was looking forward to supporting Didier against Cantwell. Now I'm gonna be looking for another candidate.

I do think there are some litmus test pro-life supporters who will follow his sour-grapes lead and not support Rossi. Hopefully that isn't enough to make a difference.

Posted by: some wench at August 20, 2010 09:26 PM (uJBct)

20
The mom in tennis shoes should be the scrunt in an orange jumpsuit.

Posted by: Atomic Roach at August 20, 2010 09:27 PM (rMMMP)

21 robtr,

thanks... what a douchebag.

Posted by: ace at August 20, 2010 09:27 PM (QbA6l)

22 Ah, sweet, sweet pudding.

Posted by: DelD at August 20, 2010 09:28 PM (oAZ1S)

23 Well that probably is what he's thinking, and that he must remain "pure" to keep his chances at their highest level.
Posted by: ace at August 20, 2010 09:25 PM (QbA6l)
His speech was all about his purity and about him representing the voters of Washington. I guess the other 38% of us don't count.

Posted by: robtr at August 20, 2010 09:28 PM (fwSHf)

24 This in spite of the Palin endorsed Tea Party Paultards.

Posted by: Barbarian at August 20, 2010 09:28 PM (EL+OC)

25 Well that probably is what he's thinking, and that he must remain "pure" to keep his chances at their highest level.
Posted by: ace at August 20, 2010 09:25 PM (QbA6l)
Possibly. Seems like a bad play though. A tin ear. Nobody likes a sore loser. Especially with so much at stake this year. Even the purity types are getting a little more pragmatic this year.

Posted by: Delta Smelt at August 20, 2010 09:29 PM (IRwVS)

26 My tard, Koster, has recently been endorsed by Ron Paul. Fuck me.

Posted by: Barbarian at August 20, 2010 09:30 PM (EL+OC)

27 THAT MAKES 11 PICKUPS BASED ON LATEST POLLING

WA- ROSSI BY 7
CA- FIORINA BY 5 (per surveyUSA)
NV- ANGLE BY 2 (Rasmussen)
ND- HOEVEN BY 44 (RAS)
AR- BOOZEMAN BY 38 (RAS)
CO- BUCK BY 5 (RAS)
IN- COATS BY 21 (RAS)
IL- KIRK BY 6 (WeAskAmerica)
WI- JOHNSON BY 1 (RAS)
PA- TOOMEY BY 8 (RAS)
DE- CASTLE BY 13 (DailyKos)

If you live in these states and sit out, may giant ebola-infected assticks devour your rectum from the inside out.

Posted by: CAC at August 20, 2010 09:31 PM (Gr1V1)

28 26 My tard, Koster, has recently been endorsed by Ron Paul. Fuck me.
What's worse is that Ron Paul could be your congressman.

Posted by: Miss'80sBaby at August 20, 2010 09:33 PM (Yq+qN)

29 I do think there are some litmus test pro-life supporters who will follow his sour-grapes lead and not support Rossi. Hopefully that isn't enough to make a difference.
Posted by: some wench at August 20, 2010 09:26 PM (uJBct)
Rossi is Pro Life, he just isn't in your face Pro Life. He is one helloflot more Pro Life than Patty Murray.

Posted by: robtr at August 20, 2010 09:33 PM (fwSHf)

30 Didier is a former pro football player. Maybe a couple too many knocks to the head, although he is on our side, so I think he will eventually come around after making his play.

and further, is anti-federalist

I don't understand that. Wasn't Roe V. Wade about the federal govt taking away Texas right to outlaw abortion and creating an individual right?

Posted by: Guy Fawkes at August 20, 2010 09:34 PM (664Zx)

31 28

What's worse is that Ron Paul could be your congressman.
Posted by: Miss'80sBaby at August 20, 2010 09:33 PM (Yq+qN)



Good God I'm sorry.

Posted by: Barbarian at August 20, 2010 09:34 PM (EL+OC)

32 My wife gave Didier a little donation primaryarily because of Sarah Palin's support for Didier. This was before Rossi entered the race.
If Clint Didier is too much of an ass to endorse Rossi, then Sarah Palin better havea stern talk with Didier.
I am sick of this nonsense. There was a primary, he lost, get over it! My wife is pretty pissed at Didier.

Posted by: johnc_recent_EX-dem at August 20, 2010 09:35 PM (ACkhT)

33 Nevermind my last, I misread something.

Posted by: Guy Fawkes at August 20, 2010 09:37 PM (664Zx)

34
No one in the Senate is dumber than Patty Murray?

That's a tough team to beat.

Posted by: eman at August 20, 2010 09:37 PM (Nw/hR)

35 another lousy post - as already stated it was the Roe v Wade sick joke that was anti-federalist

Posted by: Gerry at August 20, 2010 09:38 PM (g6ozZ)

36 No one in the Senate is dumber than Patty Murray?

Barbara Boxer?

Posted by: Mark in Spokane at August 20, 2010 09:38 PM (ztdYC)

37 No one in the Senate is dumber than Patty Murray?

Al Franken?

Posted by: Guy Fawkes at August 20, 2010 09:39 PM (664Zx)

38 31 28 Good God I'm sorry.
Well, thankfully he isn't mine (same city, though), but I have some friends who live in his district.

Posted by: Miss'80sBaby at August 20, 2010 09:39 PM (Yq+qN)

39 This poll couldn't have come at a better time. It will help Didier voters get on the frigging bus!

Posted by: robtr at August 20, 2010 09:40 PM (fwSHf)

40 Rossi is Pro Life, he just isn't in your face Pro Life. He is one helloflot more Pro Life than Patty Murray.

Oh, I agree wholeheartedly. I've just heard a lot from Didier about "Rossi makes exceptions for rape, incest, etc" And I think every pro-Didier call I've heard has made some reference to this point.

I can't for the life of me imagine how anyone who votes thinking pro-life would prefer Murray to Rossi in any way. Hopefully they wont' cut off their noses to spite their faces.

Posted by: some wench at August 20, 2010 09:41 PM (uJBct)

41 >>>another lousy post - as already stated it was the Roe v Wade sick joke that was anti-federalist

Right Gerry, but outlawing abortion in all 50 states from the federal level would be federalist, huh?

Posted by: ace at August 20, 2010 09:41 PM (QbA6l)

42
Roe v. Wade was anti-federalist.

Posted by: eman at August 20, 2010 09:42 PM (Nw/hR)

43 Damnit, Ace! You said we were going to be treated to the Chrissy Matthews I think I'm gonna be sick pix when we got good polling news. You lie!

Posted by: Joe Wilson at August 20, 2010 09:42 PM (a3Z62)

44 >>>Wasn't Roe V. Wade about the federal govt taking away Texas right to outlaw abortion and creating an individual right?

This bill if passed would outlaw it in all 50 states.

It wouldn't just overturn roe v. wade, it would criminalize abortion at the federal level in all 50 states.

You can't claim that's "federalist." Overturning Roe v. wade to give it to the states is federalist. Outlawing it at the federal level is just roe, but going the other direction.

Posted by: ace at August 20, 2010 09:42 PM (QbA6l)

45 I wonder who writes such nonsense on C4P dot com
I do wonder if they know sometimes they have their own echo chamber going.
"Clint Didier is holding off on endorsing Dino Rossi until Dino agrees to "make a no-new-taxes pledge and promise not to increase federal spending."
In any event, Dino is likely screwed in Washington if this Rasmussen poll is to be believed. How so? If you look into the crosstabs, you'll see that there are no more Republicans or conservatives for Rossi to win. What that means is that there are barely any Republicans or conservatives among the undecided voters. For Murray to be at 50% with no Republicans or conservatives left for Rossi to win over is a steep mountain to climb for Dino. The 46% that she received last Tuesday is higher than the percentage she received in 1998. She ended up winning 58% on election day in 1998."

Posted by: johnc_recent_EX-dem at August 20, 2010 09:43 PM (ACkhT)

46 Oh, I agree wholeheartedly. I've just heard a lot from Didier about "Rossi makes exceptions for rape, incest, etc" And I think every pro-Didier call I've heard has made some reference to this point.
Yeah he does, if you are going to run in Washington and say your all for 11 year olds havingher dads baby and arrest her if she doesn't you might as well enjoy the summer and fall fishing.

Posted by: robtr at August 20, 2010 09:43 PM (fwSHf)

47
The fedralist solution is to cancel Roe v. Wade and return the issue back to the States.

Posted by: eman at August 20, 2010 09:44 PM (Nw/hR)

48 eman, right, and passing a law for all fifty states and jurisdictions is federalist, right?

Oh right -- it's still federalist when YOU do it.

This is what I meant. There's not even an acceptance of "oh yeah, okay, sunshine patriot on federalism, I guess, but this issue is too important."

No it's just blatant lying -- lying to the self, I think. And what's worse than the lying is the gullibility in believing one's own lie.

Federalism has a definition and this bill does not fit it.

Posted by: ace at August 20, 2010 09:44 PM (QbA6l)

49 and it looks like C4P are sour because their chosen candidate lost in a fair fight. So instead on comning together to beat Murray, they are more interested in beating Dino, the guy who beat their candidant

Posted by: johnc_recent_EX-dem at August 20, 2010 09:44 PM (ACkhT)

50 Roe v. Wade was anti-federalist.

Yes, but as ace said: That last thing would presume to outlaw abortion in the whole country from the federal level down to the states.

Can't really call that federalist. Now I am with you if you go with a right to life.

Posted by: Guy Fawkes at August 20, 2010 09:45 PM (664Zx)

51 THAT MAKES 11 PICKUPS BASED ON LATEST POLLING





WA- ROSSI BY 7


CA- FIORINA BY 5 (per surveyUSA)


NV- ANGLE BY 2 (Rasmussen)


ND- HOEVEN BY 44 (RAS)


AR- BOOZEMAN BY 38 (RAS)


CO- BUCK BY 5 (RAS)


IN- COATS BY 21 (RAS)


IL- KIRK BY 6 (WeAskAmerica)


WI- JOHNSON BY 1 (RAS)


PA- TOOMEY BY 8 (RAS)


DE- CASTLE BY 13 (DailyKos)

That is beautiful!

Posted by: Timbo at August 20, 2010 09:45 PM (ph9vn)

52 oh I think I got confused, or eman said one thing and then clarified... sorry.

Look, it's not federalist. You can say you dont' care about that on an important issue, but don't sell a clearly federal-power-trumps-state-law bill as "federalist."

Posted by: ace at August 20, 2010 09:45 PM (QbA6l)

53
spel gud

Posted by: eman at August 20, 2010 09:46 PM (Nw/hR)

54 Didier is a big, spoiled narcissist. If he can't be the nominee, he'll just take his ball and go home. Basically, he's just Charlie Crist, but he went through the formality of losing the primary first.

Given that he made a big deal of his football career in his campaign, I would say that he apparently didn't learn much about being a team player during his time on the gridiron.

Dino Rossi, on the other hand, is a solid conservative who has stepped up to the plate and done his best for the team on numerous occasions.

Too bad Sarah Palin couldn't have bothered to figure that one out before she endorsed the idiot crybaby Didier.

Posted by: HT at August 20, 2010 09:46 PM (on1DJ)

55 dino rossi was also cheated out of not one but two races.

Posted by: ace at August 20, 2010 09:47 PM (QbA6l)

56 Okay, Mr. Wolf may be giving the go ahead here. You can start any time.

Posted by: blaster at August 20, 2010 09:47 PM (aEyru)

57 "Clint Didier is holding off on endorsing Dino Rossi until Dino agrees to "make a no-new-taxes pledge and promise not to increase federal spending."
C4P is full of shit, Rossi already signed Grover Norquists no new tax pledge and Didier knows that. He wants him to sign Didiers no new tax pledge which is stupid. Rossi already said he wants to cut federal spending.
Didiers big deal was Rossi sponsering Ron Pauls anti abortion bill in the senate.
That is fucking suicide here. It just is. Send you fucking donation to Murray today.

Posted by: robtr at August 20, 2010 09:47 PM (fwSHf)

58 I mean -- Jeeze Louise.

Karma should have a vote here.

They stole TWO electiosn from him! TWO!

Posted by: ace at August 20, 2010 09:47 PM (QbA6l)

59 yeah Didier needs to get over himself. sure he got the Palin endorsement but that's all he's managed to win. this is our year and WA has become a swing state (!) for us so we'd better take advantage of this golden opportunity. there's no room on the bus for spoilers and game-players like Didier.

Posted by: chemjeff at August 20, 2010 09:48 PM (Pm5H8)

60 Yeah he does, if you are going to run in Washington and say your all for
11 year olds havingher dads baby and arrest her if she doesn't you
might as well enjoy the summer and fall fishing

Yep. Rossi's wouldn't stand a chance of winning if he were more conservative on that stance. If you're not a NARAL supporter you lose most of seattle.

Posted by: some wench at August 20, 2010 09:48 PM (uJBct)

61 Didier is a big, spoiled narcissist. If he can't be the nominee, he'll just take his ball and go home. Basically, he's just Charlie Crist, but he went through the formality of losing the primary first.
The high horse purist and the scumbag opportunist meet in the middle and potentially cause the same problems.

Posted by: Delta Smelt at August 20, 2010 09:48 PM (IRwVS)

62 Federalism insists upon itself.

Posted by: BumperStickerist at August 20, 2010 09:48 PM (Hj0nA)

63 I am not giving you the go-ahead you cocksucking sons-a-bitches. Bear down and get this shit done before Bonnie gets home.

Posted by: Mr. Wolf at August 20, 2010 09:48 PM (QbA6l)

64 Too bad Sarah Palin couldn't have bothered to figure that one out before she endorsed the idiot crybaby Didier.

Amen.

Posted by: Barbarian at August 20, 2010 09:49 PM (EL+OC)

65 it was my original confusion, see 33.

John-ex: not everybody votes primaries, independents can swing by being the mushies that they are.

Posted by: Guy Fawkes at August 20, 2010 09:49 PM (664Zx)

66
I don't support any bill to outlaw abortion at the Federal level.

Do some out there think I do?

I support returning the issue back to the States.

Posted by: eman at August 20, 2010 09:49 PM (Nw/hR)

67 Dumber than Nelson [Nebraska or Florida, you pick], Gillenbrand, Snowe?




ouch

Posted by: Louie at August 20, 2010 09:49 PM (DTfXb)

68 Hey, don't forget about Ohio. The state economy has been repeatedly kicked in the nuts for years and the donks are in for a hard time. The Devil's Pollster (Rasmussen) has Rob Portman at +8% for the U.S. Senate race.

Posted by: Retired Buckeye Cop at August 20, 2010 09:49 PM (bCQG3)

69 anyone ever notice that such a big deal was made out of what a genius Mr. Wolf was when all he actually says is the obvious:

1) Clean the car thoroughly

and

2) drive under the speed limit

?

I mean, duh. They didn't have to call Mr. Wolf. They could have called... um, anybody?

Posted by: ace at August 20, 2010 09:51 PM (QbA6l)

70 Didier is a dumb ass. If he is true to his own platform there would be no way in hell he would support Murray. Rossi is much closer to his own ideals and naturally should get Didier's support. You lost Didier, support Rossi and plan your next run.

Posted by: CDR M at August 20, 2010 09:51 PM (5I8G0)

71 eman, sorry, I thougt you said "roe was anti-federalist" as a way of saying this bill would be federalist; I see you clarified you werent saying that.

Sorry. I said sorry earlier but I guess it was missed.

Posted by: ace at August 20, 2010 09:52 PM (QbA6l)

72

I mean, duh. They didn't have to call Mr. Wolf. They could have called... um, anybody?







Posted by: ace at August 20, 2010 09:51 PM (QbA6l)
Or at least watched a CSI episode or two.

Posted by: CDR M at August 20, 2010 09:52 PM (5I8G0)

73
No problemo, ace.

I should have been clearer.

Oh, and shut up, racist.

Posted by: eman at August 20, 2010 09:53 PM (Nw/hR)

74 Was it Murray who said that muslims adore Osama because he spent all his time building day care centers?
Always seemed to me the height of both idiocy and projection. She deserves to be trounced.

Posted by: Have Blue at August 20, 2010 09:53 PM (mV+es)

75 I think the genius of Mr. Wolf comes in remaining calm to see the obvious and taking control of the situation, and enjoying a nice cup of coffee.

Posted by: Guy Fawkes at August 20, 2010 09:54 PM (664Zx)

76 Was it Murray who said that muslims adore Osama because he spent all his time building day care centers?
Yes. Like I said, the dumbest person in the Senate.

Posted by: Delta Smelt at August 20, 2010 09:55 PM (IRwVS)

77 Perhaps Palin can tell Didier to quit with the belly aching and get with the program since she did endorse him.

Posted by: CDR M at August 20, 2010 09:56 PM (5I8G0)

78 a quick question for ace, as he's among us for the nonce ....

Given the hoopla around Obama's birthday week, I thought that we Conservatives should start celebrating ChoiceDay.

ChoiceDay occurs February 15th, May 15th, and August 14th each years.

Those mark the end of the first trimester, second trimester, and late-term dates that a young single woman, impregnated by a man from another race, with limited means, chose no to abort a clump of cells growing inside her.

ChoiceDay.

For the very conservative among us, you can add ConceptionDay - December 15th - when The Egg met The Sperm leading to the conception of The One. I'm not that Conservative.

I was going to float this idea by The Anchoress, but figured I'd see what the input is from we band of morons.

Good idea?

Bad idea?

Horribly bad, morally poisonous grandstanding move that will alienate lots of people?

hits-boosting election year stunt?

ChoiceDay.

Posted by: BumperStickerist at August 20, 2010 09:56 PM (Hj0nA)

79 I may be wrong about this, but I think Palin endorsed Didier before Rossi entered the race, he entered the race pretty close to the last minute. Not that that changes the fact that Didier should shut up and endorse Rossi already.
I was just reading the latest issue of one of the local magazines "Seattle Met" and their very first "article" was entitled "The L Word You know Dino Rossi-and that's not gong to help him." The point of the article is quoting from a UW professor of political science who claims that since Rossi lost twice "he's toast. Again." (direct quotation there).
It will be so wonderful to drink the tears of the liberals who are all in still for Patty Murray come November.

Posted by: ParanoidGirlInSeattle at August 20, 2010 09:57 PM (92n2+)

80 76,

The two cool-as-ice hit men turned into two panicking dips.

Posted by: eman at August 20, 2010 09:57 PM (Nw/hR)

81 OMG, the Luntz moron group are telling Hannity that Bush never got beat up by the press like Obama has! Fucking idiots.

Posted by: Miss Fluffy McNutter at August 20, 2010 09:59 PM (xMSXs)

82

The two cool-as-ice hit men turned into two panicking dips.







Posted by: eman at August 20, 2010 09:57 PM (Nw/hR)
Well it wasn't like they were ex SEAL's or Delta Force or somethin.

Posted by: CDR M at August 20, 2010 09:59 PM (5I8G0)

83 80
I may be wrong about this, but I think Palin endorsed Didier before
Rossi entered the race, he entered the race pretty close to the last
minute.

Wha? They don't have phones in Alaska?

Posted by: Barbarian at August 20, 2010 09:59 PM (EL+OC)

84 Horribly bad, morally poisonous grandstanding move that will alienate lots of people?hits-boosting election year stunt?ChoiceDay.
Posted by: BumperStickerist at August 20, 2010 09:56 PM (Hj0nA)
I really get tired of this race shit, I really do. What the fuck is wrong with you?

Posted by: robtr at August 20, 2010 09:59 PM (fwSHf)

85 what stuns me in reading that lastest post on C4Pis that C4P appears to be more interested to beating up on Dino, who lost against their Palin-endorsed candidate Didier, rather than beating up on Murray.

Posted by: johnc_recent_EX-dem at August 20, 2010 10:00 PM (ACkhT)

86 A little off topic, but I'm beginning to think Sowell is completely right. Before I thought Obama and the Left were being so callous about public opinion because they were either stupid or more likely going to use force to just takeover voided any elections. But Sowell brings up an excellent point that a blanket amnesty for all illegals would introduce millions of voters for Obama. And then you consider that many states now have or are attempting to have laws that give all their electoral votes to the popular vote winner. A huge influx of new leftist voters would guarantee a victory. And as Glenn Beck was trying to point out today these illegals would essentially become a slave class. And without a 3/5ths clause permanent electoral victory for the left. Non-violent takeover. Death of the Republic stuff. All Obama has to do is sign a new executive order.

Posted by: ChicagoJedi at August 20, 2010 10:00 PM (WZFkG)

87 82
OMG, the Luntz moron group are telling Hannity that Bush never got beat up by the press like Obama has! Fucking idiots.

Posted by: Miss Fluffy McNutter at August 20, 2010 09:59 PM (xMSXs)
So the 52%'ers are still alive and kicking.

Posted by: CDR M at August 20, 2010 10:00 PM (5I8G0)

88 Palin can do a big solid here by just going over Didier's head and endorsing Rossi on his behalf, if you know what I mean... half of Didier's support probably owes to the Palin endorsement in the first place.

Posted by: ace at August 20, 2010 10:00 PM (QbA6l)

89 ermmmm .... it's not a race th ing, it's pro-Choice

the inclusion of the biographical facts is what it is.

Posted by: BumperStickerist at August 20, 2010 10:01 PM (Hj0nA)

90 83,

Right.

At least they didn't start to bicker about the Samoan and the foot massage thing all over again.

Posted by: eman at August 20, 2010 10:01 PM (Nw/hR)

91 BumperStickerist

what the hell are you talking about?

????

WTF?

Posted by: ace at August 20, 2010 10:02 PM (QbA6l)

92 89
Palin can do a big solid here by just going over Didier's head and
endorsing Rossi on his behalf, if you know what I mean... half of
Didier's support probably owes to the Palin endorsement in the first
place.







Posted by: ace at August 20, 2010 10:00 PM (QbA6l)

That would be sweet.

Posted by: Barbarian at August 20, 2010 10:03 PM (EL+OC)

93 Exactly Ace. If she is as smart as I think she is, she'll do that, and soon. If not, then she is not as politically savvy as we thought.

Posted by: CDR M at August 20, 2010 10:03 PM (5I8G0)

94 Wha? They don't have phones in Alaska?
Posted by: Barbarian at August 20, 2010 09:59 PM (EL+OC)
Um, what? You think tomorrow is election day?

Posted by: Steph at August 20, 2010 10:03 PM (580hG)

95 Roe is not really anti-federalist. It is anti-Constitutional. What I mean by that is that Roe created a new "Constitutional right" out of thin air. There is nothing anti-federalist about that, since it has nothing to do with what level of government should be handling the issue of abortion. Roe takes it away from all branches of government.

The only reasonable responses to Roe are:
1) Having Roe overturned in the SCOTUS

2) Constitutional amendment about abortion - either explicitly putting it within the States' jurisdiction, within Congress' power, or explicitly defining it nationally (defining it to be prohibited, in this case, since Roe did the oposite).

In no event do the Congress or federal Executive have any power to dictate on the legality of abortion.

But, to be clear, Roe was not anti-federalist. It was far more sweeping than that. It was an intentional mangling of the Constitution to remove the abortion argument from anyone's power, except the SCOTUS, in the event of overturning it - which is what really should happen. The reasoning of Roe was beyond a mockery.

Posted by: progressoverpeace at August 20, 2010 10:03 PM (Qp4DT)

96 oh what you're trying to suggest you shouldn't abort because it might be the next Obama...?

Well, I don't think it's a good idea at all and I don't think the Anchoress will either.

Posted by: ace at August 20, 2010 10:04 PM (QbA6l)

97 OMG, the Luntz moron group are telling Hannity that Bush never got beat up by the press like Obama has! Fucking idiots.

Posted by: Miss Fluffy McNutter at August 20, 2010 09:59 PM

The Luntz moron group always scares me. No matter who, no matter where.

Posted by: arhooley at August 20, 2010 10:04 PM (8sASd)

98 While I support Palin, more and more of her supporters seem more like fans than supporters, very cultish, and this rather childest post about Dino, ""My candidate lost and so I'm going to have a post to show how the other guy is going to lose anyways"
My opinion is now changing. If Palin comes out and endorses Dino, I will appauld her, or she need to tell Didier to shut up and endorse Dino.
My wife is fuming at this whole thing. And heck, she's not even pro-life!

Posted by: johnc_recent_EX-dem at August 20, 2010 10:04 PM (ACkhT)

99 Exactly Ace. If she is as smart as I think she is,
she'll do that, and soon. If not, then she is not as politically savvy
as we thought.

Posted by: CDR M at August 20, 2010 10:03 PM

Or as intellectually honest.

Posted by: arhooley at August 20, 2010 10:05 PM (8sASd)

100 Bottom line for Washington is that you do not want a close election. Although Ron Sims is no longer in charge in King County, I'm sure his replacement is well schooled in the recount process ala Gregoire in '04.

Posted by: CDR M at August 20, 2010 10:05 PM (5I8G0)

101 And I shouldn't have forgotten:

3) state nullification

I don't see this as likely (though I see it in many other areas) but I thought I'd throw it in for completeness.

Posted by: progressoverpeace at August 20, 2010 10:05 PM (Qp4DT)

102 Of those 11 Senate races on CAC's list - the iffy ones appear to be WA, CA, NV, IL, CO and WI. The R's need 10 pickups for a majority - so that means the R's win if we take 4 out of those 6. WHOA it is really within reach.

Posted by: chemjeff at August 20, 2010 10:05 PM (Pm5H8)

103 I do note that many conservatives only embrace federalism in an
unprincipled "it depends on whose ox is getting gored" basis and so I
doubt that is any sort of genuine impediment to it.

Government being for the preservation of every man's right and property,
by preserving him from the violence or injury of others, is for the
good of the governed.

If the government does not act to stop actual, specific violence against its people to the best of its ability, what is the point in having a government at all?

Posted by: 18-1 at August 20, 2010 10:05 PM (bgcml)

104 sorry, 5 out of the 6

Posted by: chemjeff at August 20, 2010 10:06 PM (Pm5H8)

105 Choice Day seem a little to complicated to catch on.

However, since abortion wasn't everywhere legal at the time and from what little i know of his mother the likleihood of him being alive if it was common is 50 - 50.

Posted by: Guy Fawkes at August 20, 2010 10:06 PM (664Zx)

106 Palin will probably do that, probably, like 90% likely, maybe 99% likely.

Except, well, Rossi probably didn't seek her endorsement because he knew it would hurt him, not help him, and now he needs it... Jeeze I just hope she isn't the sort to hold a grudge.

Posted by: ace at August 20, 2010 10:06 PM (QbA6l)

107 95
Wha? They don't have phones in Alaska?

Posted by: Barbarian at August 20, 2010 09:59 PM (EL+OC)
Um, what? You think tomorrow is election day?

Posted by: Steph at August 20, 2010 10:03 PM (580hG)
What I meant to imply, apparently not too cleverly, is that Palin should have reached out to Rossi before throwing her endorsement to Didier. There was no way Didier was going to get more than the 12 percent he got.

Posted by: Barbarian at August 20, 2010 10:07 PM (EL+OC)

108
"Those mark the end of the first trimester, second trimester, and late-term dates that a young single woman, impregnated by a man from another race, with limited means, chose no to abort a clump of cells growing inside her."

You may not see this, but you are lumping race in with limited means: a factor in perhaps choosing an abortion.

Why did you mention race? Is it something important to you?

Posted by: eman at August 20, 2010 10:07 PM (Nw/hR)

109 well, you've been on a moralizin' tear of late - which is fine - so I figured you'd be the one to vette this notion.

My question, which is a bit of a gear change, was whether the pro-Life people could incorporate a day, in this case ChoiceDay, as a way to highlight their cause using Obama's biography to make their case to the public.

Obama's mother made the choice for life. et cetera.

or not.

This was more a reaction to Obama's birth week stories. Which could lead to a national celebration of Obama's gestation by the year 2012.

Sorry for the OT threadjack

--


Posted by: BumperStickerist at August 20, 2010 10:07 PM (Hj0nA)

110 Dino's dad was my 6th grade teacher. A very good man- firm, strong, but kind and wise. If Dino is anything like him, (I've met him once briefly, and I think he is) we'll have a great Senator representin' us in DC

Posted by: GregInSeattle at August 20, 2010 10:07 PM (/wk5o)

111 Did anyone catch the snark in the lede on the King5 story:

The first KING 5 Senate poll for the 2010 general election shows
Republican Dino Rossi is actually ahead of Democratic incumbent Patty
Murray, 52% to 45%.

...as if it's inconceivable that Rossi could win; as if the majority of the polled group must have an extra chromosome not to be for Murray.

It's a little thing, but stuff like this drives me nuts.

Posted by: Evan3457 at August 20, 2010 10:07 PM (Qy6qY)

112 Government being for the preservation of every man's right and property,
by preserving him from the violence or injury of others, is for the
good of the governed.If the government does not act to
stop actual, specific violence against its people to the best of its
ability, what is the point in having a government at all?

but the issue here is federalism, not the act itself - does the Constitution mention X? no? then X is to be discussed at the state level, regardless if X is "abortion" or whatever

Posted by: chemjeff at August 20, 2010 10:08 PM (Pm5H8)

113 Palin is not stupid. If she sees that the idiot Didier is acting the fool, I could see her talking to him and endorsing Dino. She knows what's at stake in November.
And, yeah, that is stupid on C4P's part. They need to shut up.

Posted by: Steph at August 20, 2010 10:08 PM (580hG)

114 Patty Murray is running on a bunch of lies (of course) but the difference is this time around even the folks here who usually lean liberal are calling her on them. One example, she lied in an ad and said that because of the recent teacher bailout the jobs of 3,000 teachers were saved in our state. Her side is now trying to spin the facts--bringing up medicare/medicaid and also since the states can bank the money until 2012 that's 3,000 current and future teacher jobs saved.
I think there's some stuff about the business dollars she has brought into the state too, but under her tenure in the Senate (and Cantwell's) we lost Boeing corporate headquarters as well as several other major businesses.

Posted by: ParanoidGirlInSeattle at August 20, 2010 10:08 PM (92n2+)

115 And, the reasonable argument about abortion is that the determination of the beginning of life belongs at the same level of government that holds the power over the determination of death: the States.

Posted by: progressoverpeace at August 20, 2010 10:10 PM (Qp4DT)

116 BumperStickerist quite honestly I have a hard time seeing how that argument plays out:

You to a Liberal: "Today is Choice Day, it would have been legal for Obama's mama to abort him up until this day and he never would have been president, what do you think of that?
Liberal: Well Obama's mama didn't abort him, she exercised her CHOICE. What's your point?

...?

Posted by: chemjeff at August 20, 2010 10:10 PM (Pm5H8)

117 Didn't Boeing start up a new plant in the Carolina's?

Posted by: CDR M at August 20, 2010 10:10 PM (5I8G0)

118 Ace, if Palin was the sort to hold a grudge, she wouldn't have spoken up for Dr. Laura.

Posted by: Steph at August 20, 2010 10:11 PM (580hG)

119 OMG, the Luntz moron group are telling Hannity that Bush never got beat up by the press like Obama has! Fucking idiots.

Posted by: Miss Fluffy McNutter at August 20, 2010 09:59 PM (xMSXs)

I hear they asked Obama like 9 questions at one press conference - and didn't clear them all first!

Posted by: A Luntz Laimmer at August 20, 2010 10:11 PM (bgcml)

120 no, the race thing is not important to me.

The inclusion is - 1) biographically correct and 2) highlights what I would consider the group with the highest likelihood to choose abortion over carrying the baby to term.

If you disagree, that's fine. This is just one of those notion things.

I'll buy the domain name www.ChoiceDay.org off GoDaddy after a couple of beers and when I'm done viewing all the softcore Danica Patrick videos.

Posted by: BumperStickerist at August 20, 2010 10:11 PM (Hj0nA)

121 Didn't Boeing start up a new plant in the Carolina's?
Posted by: CDR M at August 20, 2010 10:10 PM (5I8G0)
Charleston, SC

Posted by: Delta Smelt at August 20, 2010 10:12 PM (IRwVS)

122 It wouldn't hurt for Rossi to call Palin either.

Posted by: Guy Fawkes at August 20, 2010 10:13 PM (664Zx)

123 Actually, an out and out Palin endorsement may hurt Rossi here. I know a lot of foaming at the mouth Palin haters who can't find too much bad to say about Rossi.

Posted by: some wench at August 20, 2010 10:13 PM (uJBct)

124 I would argue that Bush at this point in his Presidency had answered more questions from the Press than Obama has.

Posted by: CDR M at August 20, 2010 10:13 PM (5I8G0)

125 ...as if it's inconceivable that Rossi could win; as if the majority of the polled group must have an extra chromosome not to be for Murray.It's a little thing, but stuff like this drives me nuts.
Posted by: Evan3457 at August 20, 2010 10:07 PM (Qy6qY)
King 5 is a very liberal station. Gary Lockes wife used to work there after he left office. I've met alot of the people that work there and they are all left of Lenin.
They will make it there mission to keep Didier on the air until the election. That's just the way it works here.

Posted by: robtr at August 20, 2010 10:13 PM (fwSHf)

126 Mr. Wolf Said: Put That Dick Down.

Dicks are for closers.

Posted by: Mitch and Murray at August 20, 2010 10:13 PM (AZGON)

127 82 OMG, the Luntz moron group are is telling Hannity that Bush never got beat up by the press like Obama has! Fucking idiots.
FIFMbefore some anal grammar Nazi pounced.

Posted by: Miss Fluffy McNutter at August 20, 2010 10:14 PM (xMSXs)

128 BumperStickerist quite honestly I have a hard time seeing how that
argument plays out:

You to a Liberal: "Today is Choice Day, it
would have been legal for Obama's mama to abort him up until this day
and he never would have been president, what do you think of that?
Liberal:
Well Obama's mama didn't abort him, she exercised her CHOICE. What's
your point?

...?

The audience is young pregnant females considering abortion.

Today is ChoiceDay
Choose to carry your baby - he might grow up to President
Sure, a glistening Man-Child Incompetent Overwhelmed by Events,
but President.
-

Posted by: BumperStickerist at August 20, 2010 10:14 PM (Hj0nA)

129 122
Didn't Boeing start up a new plant in the Carolina's?

Posted by: CDR M at August 20, 2010 10:10 PM (5I8G0)
Charleston, SC

Posted by: Delta Smelt at August 20, 2010 10:12 PM (IRwVS)

And they announced today they're moving some of their defense ops to Illinois.

Posted by: Barbarian at August 20, 2010 10:14 PM (EL+OC)

130 Boeing corporate headquarters moved to (cue ominous music)Chicago Illinois. They moved in 2001.

Posted by: ParanoidGirlInSeattle at August 20, 2010 10:14 PM (92n2+)

131 Didn't Boeing start up a new plant in the Carolina's?
Posted by: CDR M at August 20, 2010 10:10 PM (5I8G0)
Yeah but not until after they moved their world headquarters from Seattle to Chicago. All under our leftist government.

Posted by: robtr at August 20, 2010 10:16 PM (fwSHf)

132 Holy shit, I actually made the post. Thanks, Ace.
Posted by: The War Between the Goddamn Lazy States at August 20, 2010 10:13 PM (Ph2GW)
Damn War, you ain't so lazy after all.

Posted by: Delta Smelt at August 20, 2010 10:16 PM (IRwVS)

133 but the issue here is federalism, not the act itself
- does the Constitution mention X? no? then X is to be discussed at the
state level, regardless if X is "abortion" or whatever

Posted by: chemjeff at August 20, 2010 10:08 PM (Pm5H
14th Amendment:...nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.States cannot allow one group of American the "right" to enslave, or kill, another group.

Posted by: 18-1 at August 20, 2010 10:17 PM (bgcml)

134 Well, maybe Palin will contact Rossi to see if there's anything she can do. I guarantee you she will know what's going on.
She had already endorsed Didier before Rossi ever got in the race.

Posted by: Steph at August 20, 2010 10:17 PM (580hG)

135 121,

How many other things are biographically correct?

Why did you omit them?

Were you in a hurry? Trying to be concise?

Less important?

Sorry if I'm ragging on you, Bumperstickerist.

Race stuff strikes close to home with me. I won't bring it up again.

Posted by: eman at August 20, 2010 10:18 PM (Nw/hR)

136 Nice job Undead! And well said after Ace. 100% dead on accurate.

Posted by: CDR M at August 20, 2010 10:18 PM (5I8G0)

137 FIFM before some anal grammar Nazi pounced.

Shouldn't that be "rectal syntax National Socialist?"

Posted by: some anal grammar Nazi at August 20, 2010 10:18 PM (AZGON)

138 I don't like calling leftard justices "judicial activists". That isn't really what they are. They create rights (and "mere" law) out of thin air, so they are really "creationists". I really like it and I think that that label would drive them up a wall.

Posted by: progressoverpeace at August 20, 2010 10:19 PM (Qp4DT)

139 69 anyone ever notice that such a big deal was made out of what a genius Mr. Wolf was when all he actually says is the obvious: [...]
Posted by: ace at August 20, 2010 09:51 PM (QbA6l)

I've thought of that as well. He did provide them with a secure disposal outlet for a vehicle occupied by a dead body, though.

Posted by: Herr Blücher at August 20, 2010 10:20 PM (UnvXd)

140 If this shit happens, I personally will never, ever support a single Tea Party candidate again, ever.

Ace, Super-Genius. How is a tea-party candidate or activist in any other state supposed to control a tea-party candidate in Washington state? The origin and current state of the Tea "Party" is as a self-organizing, largely spontaneous movement, not an actual third party with an organizational chart and power to kick out members.

It suggests that even without an official endorsement from Didier, many of Didier’s supporters would choose Rossi over Murray.

Hell, you even excerpted this part. There is no general Tea Party determination to spoil Rossi and elect a Democrat, there's one guy and a few of his personal partisans being a dick and holding out for more influence than 12% of the vote deserves. But the situation is halfway to shaking out already.

But "never, ever, ever" cuts both ways. If tea partiers have no path in from the cold then we will go third party and hope against all likelihood there's something left of America by the time we _do_ supplant the Republicans.

Posted by: Dave R. at August 20, 2010 10:20 PM (z2h4N)

141 Is this gonna be the ONT? There's a whiny bitch's blog I want to post about but I'm being polite and classy and not OTing all over the Didier-bashing.

Posted by: arhooley at August 20, 2010 10:20 PM (8sASd)

142 Indeed, the only thing that can stop conservatives from winning these elections is other conservatives, and, alas, that's exactly what some conservatives have in mind.

If this happens: It won't be forgotten.

Sheesh, no kidding. Herding cats in heat is easier than getting rid of Democrats democratically.

Posted by: George Orwell at August 20, 2010 10:20 PM (AZGON)

143 Is Maet on tap for tonight or is Genghis oversleeping?

Posted by: CDR M at August 20, 2010 10:21 PM (5I8G0)

144 116 And, the reasonable argument about abortion is that the determination of the beginning of life belongs at the same level of government that holds the power over the determination of death: the States.
Whichmeans it ends up being decided by some judge, just like Prop 8. That is why a lot of people support a Constitutional amendment for issues they really believe belong to the states. It never ends up being decided by the states; it always ends up being decided by an (often) unelectedmember of the judiciarywho may or may not abuse his/her authority.

Posted by: Miss Fluffy McNutter at August 20, 2010 10:21 PM (xMSXs)

145 Ah, Genghis woke up and the ONT is up.

Posted by: CDR M at August 20, 2010 10:22 PM (5I8G0)

146 dave, get this: You're not coming into my party, trying to capture nominations, and then splintering off if you lose.

In that case you're not welcome to come in in the first place -- then go form your own little coffee klatch.

What the hell is this? I have to vote/support candidates I don't personally like (Rand Paul, Sharron Angle) but you guys are too fucking PURE and PRINCIPLED to do the same in return?

If that's your attitude, the hell with you -- you ain't better than me. I don't have to get down on my knees for you.

Posted by: ace at August 20, 2010 10:22 PM (QbA6l)

147 There's a whiny bitch's blog I want to post about

I resent that remark.

Posted by: David Frum at August 20, 2010 10:22 PM (AZGON)

148 Except, well, Rossi probably didn't seek her
endorsement because he knew it would hurt him, not help him, and now he
needs it... Jeeze I just hope she isn't the sort to hold a grudge.





Posted by: ace at August 20, 2010 10:06 PM (QbA6l)
She's hammered the Murkowskis repeatedly, but she did forgive McCain for what his advisors did to her.
My guess is she is smart enough to make a good choice in the end.
As far as I can tell, Rossi is pro-life, and even if he waffles a bit, a big improvement over Patty "Partial Birth Abortions are Cool!" Murray.That being said, we should be holding Republican candidate's feet to the fire. They screwed us in 2004, and they damn better well know we won't take it anymore.

Posted by: 18-1 at August 20, 2010 10:23 PM (bgcml)

149 You know what? This fucking STENCH of self-righteous satisfaction coming off people like Didier is getting to be too much to be endured.


Posted by: ace at August 20, 2010 10:24 PM (QbA6l)

150 but the issue here is federalism, not the act itself
- does the Constitution mention X? no? then X is to be discussed at the
state level, regardless if X is "abortion" or whatever

Posted by: chemjeff at August 20, 2010 10:08 PM (Pm5H
I have to disagree with your interpretation, here. For Roe to have been "anti-federalist", I would say that it would have been a ruling that gave the power to make law on abortion to the Congress. TO make abortion a Constitutional right is quite a few steps beyond that. The SCOTUS took the power to decide on abortion to itself, and away from every other branch of government, federal and State, and away from the People, too.It's just the semantics of "federalism" but I think this is an important distinction.

Posted by: progressoverpeace at August 20, 2010 10:24 PM (Qp4DT)

151 that's okay, eman. It was an idea - and possibly demonstrably a bad one.

Now watch this drive.

-

If you have strong opionions on the efficaciousness of the long bow vis-a-vis the rifles used by the Union at the start of the Civil War, I'm sure ace would like to read them.

Have a good night.

Posted by: BumperStickerist at August 20, 2010 10:24 PM (Hj0nA)

152 You know what? This fucking STENCH of self-righteous satisfaction coming off people like Didier is getting to be too much to be endured.
Posted by: ace at August 20, 2010 10:24 PM (QbA6l)
You should have heard his non endorsement speech. It was absolutely disgusting.

Posted by: robtr at August 20, 2010 10:25 PM (fwSHf)

153 I resent that remark.

Posted by: David Frum at August 20, 2010 10:22 PM

I snark in your general direction, you over-25 muthafuckin wannabe. I'm a mixed-race, born-rich, NYU film student who's ashamed of my US citizenship. Suck on that.

Posted by: whiny bitch at August 20, 2010 10:26 PM (8sASd)

154 You know what? This fucking STENCH of self-righteous satisfaction coming off people like Didier is getting to be too much to be endured.
Posted by: ace at August 20, 2010 10:24 PM (QbA6l)
Ace, you're painting the whole Tea Party with this one dickhead, and a few of his idiot followers. Most Tea Partiers and their preferred candidates have done the right think, okay? This is one prick. It's about him and nobody else.

Posted by: Steph at August 20, 2010 10:27 PM (580hG)

155 18-1 - I see your point - but meh I'm just not thrilled with the idea of stretching the 14th Amendment even further - it's already stretched so wide it's like one of those old tangled slinkies

Posted by: chemjeff at August 20, 2010 10:28 PM (Pm5H8)

156 You know what? This fucking STENCH of
self-righteous satisfaction coming off people like Didier is getting to
be too much to be endured.





Posted by: ace at August 20, 2010 10:24 PM

I agree. Conservative social engineers bug the shit out of me. (Liberal social engineers bug the fucking shit out of me.)

Posted by: arhooley at August 20, 2010 10:28 PM (8sASd)

157 Whichmeans it ends up being decided by some
judge, just like Prop 8. That is why a lot of people support a
Constitutional amendment for issues they really believe belong to the
states. It never ends up being decided by the states; it always ends up
being decided by an (often) unelectedmember of the judiciarywho may
or may not abuse his/her authority.

Posted by: Miss Fluffy McNutter at August 20, 2010 10:21 PM (xMSXs)
The judiciary is intellectually corrupt beyond words and power-hungry. They consider everything to be within their jurisdiction and are willing to ignore any written law or Constitutional amendment if they so desire. That is a problem separate from the proper way to handle abortion. You could put a Constitutional amendment in saying that abortion is specifically decided by the States and the judiciary would just rule on abortion cases using whatever idiotic justification they want. I wouldn't even be surprised if the Commerce Clause was suddenly found to be intimately connected to abortion ... "After all, there is no commerce without people, so the births of humans is all about commerce ..."

Posted by: progressoverpeace at August 20, 2010 10:28 PM (Qp4DT)

158 Here in Colorado, we are dealing with our own version of a self centered purist by the name of Tom Tancrazy.
While not exactly a tea partier, he's managed to screw up our Gov race, and ensure John Hickenlooper of victory. This after encouraging everyone to unite behind the GOP nominee a few months back.

Posted by: Delta Smelt at August 20, 2010 10:29 PM (IRwVS)

159 okay, DaveR, I was too hot -- I changed it to be a vow of retribution against Didier, not against the Tea Party.

As you say, there is no enforcement mechanism to control a particular candidate.

Sorry.

Posted by: ace at August 20, 2010 10:29 PM (QbA6l)

160 I agree. Conservative social engineers bug the shit out of me. (Liberal social engineers bug the fucking shit out of me.)


Posted by: arhooley at August 20, 2010 10:28 PM (8sASd)
Well said. I'm keeping that quote arhooley!

Posted by: CDR M at August 20, 2010 10:30 PM (5I8G0)

161 Ace, you're painting the whole Tea Party with this one dickhead, and a few of his idiot followers. Most Tea Partiers and their preferred candidates have done the right think, okay? This is one prick. It's about him and nobody else.
Posted by: Steph at August 20, 2010 10:27 PM (580hG)
His whole speech was entirely about him no mention of the tea party, Palin or anyone that worked for him. It was about how he was going to be us small people's football coach and force us to do better like his coach did.
you can hear it probably at mynorthwest.com and click on the david bose show.

Posted by: robtr at August 20, 2010 10:30 PM (fwSHf)

162 14th Amendment:...nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.States cannot allow one group of American the "right" to enslave, or kill, another group.


Posted by: 18-1 at August 20, 2010 10:17 PM (bgcml)
That's why abortion comes down to, legally, the determination of the beginning of life, and that should be a State issue, just as the determination of the end of life is.

Posted by: progressoverpeace at August 20, 2010 10:30 PM (Qp4DT)

163 Steph,

I rewrote; DaveR was right; I changed it to be a vow of retribution against Didier.

Although I do think this attitude -- either we win or we go home -- is a little pronounced in some circles.

Posted by: ace at August 20, 2010 10:30 PM (QbA6l)

164 Posted by: robtr at August 20, 2010 10:30 PM (fwSHf)
From what I've seen so far around the country, if the Tea party favored candidate doesn't win the primary, they pretty much back the winner. This Didier is a dick.

Posted by: Steph at August 20, 2010 10:32 PM (580hG)

165 That's why abortion comes down to, legally, the determination of the
beginning of life, and that should be a State issue, just as the
determination of the end of life is.

Don't call it a comeback.

Posted by: The about-to-be-revised Mann Act at August 20, 2010 10:33 PM (Hj0nA)

166 Ace, you're painting the whole Tea
Party with this one dickhead, and a few of his idiot followers. Most
Tea Partiers and their preferred candidates have done the right think,
okay? This is one prick. It's about him and nobody else.

Posted by: Steph at August 20, 2010 10:27 PM

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Well, check the thread on Joseph Farah and Ann Coulter. The stench has been pretty strong.

Posted by: arhooley at August 20, 2010 10:33 PM (8sASd)

167 Hey Ace,
Nansen is my first name! I am named after the famous Norwegian Explorer/Statesman Fridtjof Nansen. I am of Finnish/Swedish descent... but my Mom liked the guy. He won a nobel prize for his Artic Exporation and during the cold war... if you were without county- the UN gave you a Nansen passport.
Anyway, I am honored you mentioned my tweet stream @Nansen.

During the Didier press conference, Didier said he's withholding his endorsement of Rossi until Rossi can commit to things Rossi's stood for all along.

The really big news is in WA-03 where I live. Jaime Herrera is a great candidate and we have been upgraded by RCP to 'leans GOP!'
~Nansen
PS> people who don't know me - call me Nan... but my friends call me Nansen. I hope you will too!

Posted by: Nansen at August 20, 2010 10:35 PM (Hzlar)

168 >>From what I've seen so far around the country, if the Tea party favored candidate doesn't win the primary, they pretty much back the winner. This Didier is a dick.

yeah, true... I shouldn't have gone off.

Posted by: ace at August 20, 2010 10:35 PM (QbA6l)

169 You mean like Bennett what's that shit's name in SC? Issa or something? Or like Lowden in NV? I hear she still hasn't come out in support of Angle, although I think Tarkanian has.
It damn sure isn't exclusive to a particular Tea Party group.

Posted by: Steph at August 20, 2010 10:36 PM (580hG)

170 From what I've seen so far around the country, if the Tea party favored candidate doesn't win the primary, they pretty much back the winner. This Didier is a dick.
Posted by: Steph at August 20, 2010 10:32 PM (580hG)
I agree, that poll was taken after the primary and I think most will not only come home but be enthusiastic about it. I know I am enthused.
Washington was in the top ten gallup liberal states but conservatives still outnumbered liberals by 2%.
We have a huge independent population here and they can be swayed, at least I am going to try to convice some of them that they can be.

Posted by: robtr at August 20, 2010 10:37 PM (fwSHf)

171 >>> Or like Lowden in NV? I hear she still hasn't come out in support of Angle, although I think Tarkanian has. It damn sure isn't exclusive to a particular Tea Party group.

I'll see if I can get in touch with her and find out about that.

Posted by: ace at August 20, 2010 10:38 PM (QbA6l)

172 Well, check the thread on Joseph Farah and Ann Coulter. The stench has been pretty strong.
Posted by: arhooley at August 20, 2010 10:33 PM (8sASd)
Is Farah part of the Tea Party? I don't know. I was just saying that it isn't just relegated to the Tea Party.

Posted by: Steph at August 20, 2010 10:38 PM (580hG)

173 darn iphone. correction. *Arctic Exploration

Posted by: Nansen at August 20, 2010 10:38 PM (Hzlar)

174 here's the thing about Lowden, though... um... am I allowed to say this?

Well, okay, let me not say it: There is good reason to believe she is out of elective politics forever. So in her case she might figure "It doesn't matter to me; I'm never running again."

Posted by: ace at August 20, 2010 10:40 PM (QbA6l)

175 There is good reason to believe she is out of elective politics forever
Hmmmmm

Posted by: Delta Smelt at August 20, 2010 10:42 PM (IRwVS)

176 "It doesn't matter to me; I'm never running again."
Posted by: ace at August 20, 2010 10:40 PM (QbA6l)
yeah maybe but Angle is hard to figure. Not as hard to figure as Reid but I'm glad she is not my candidate. I'll just put it that way.

Posted by: robtr at August 20, 2010 10:42 PM (fwSHf)

177 Is Farah part of the Tea Party? I don't know. I was just saying that it isn't just relegated to the Tea Party.


Posted by: Steph at August 20, 2010 10:38 PM

No, not really. I'm not talking about Tea Party, more the righteous-ass paleocon shit that morons have been discussing today.

Posted by: arhooley at August 20, 2010 10:43 PM (8sASd)

178 160 Here in Colorado, we are dealing with our own version of a self centered purist by the name of Tom Tancrazy.
Seriously, what the fuck is up with him? I couldn't believe it when he announced his candidacy. He has to know he is only throwing the race to the Dem. Did someone not invite him to the prom and he's still pissed?

Posted by: Miss Fluffy McNutter at August 20, 2010 10:44 PM (xMSXs)

179 So Sue Lowden's never running again, and thus she feels no need to do the right thing? Now there's some situational ethics for ya.

Posted by: HT at August 20, 2010 10:44 PM (on1DJ)

180 176 here's the thing about Lowden, though... um... am I allowed to say this? Well, okay, let me not say it: There is good reason to believe she is out of elective politics forever. So in her case she might figure "It doesn't matter to me; I'm never running again."
Tease.

Posted by: Miss Fluffy McNutter at August 20, 2010 10:45 PM (xMSXs)

181 I sure am glad I resisted the calls to vote Didier. I don't think Palin helps him much here, maybe even hurts him? Tea Party is not a selling point to moderates in Washington.

I may be wrong...I do live in Seattle proper.

Posted by: Jana at August 20, 2010 10:46 PM (3dh9d)

182 18-1 - I see your point - but meh I'm just not
thrilled with the idea of stretching the 14th Amendment even further -
it's already stretched so wide it's like one of those old tangled
slinkies

Posted by: chemjeff at August 20, 2010 10:28 PM (Pm5H
I would argue it is pretty much the same reason for the 14th Amendment, so not much of a stretch really.
Though more to the point, abortion was mandated on the populace by the SC with no basis in American law. Had you asked those who ratified the Constitution if it included a right to abortion, they would have laughed at you.
Faced with a foe that doesn't care about the actual meaning of the law, we do not have the means to win if we continue to play by Queensbury rules.As a larger point, we need to focus more on winning politically then playing nice.

Posted by: 18-1 at August 20, 2010 10:47 PM (bgcml)

183 OK, you know something we don't, and maybe some of her supporters don't. Even if she's not going to ever run, again, it might help if she backed Angle.
Either way, I was just trying to make a point that this is a proving to be a pretty aggressive election season. Tempers are going to flare. We just all need to keep our eye on the prize.

Posted by: Steph at August 20, 2010 10:47 PM (580hG)

184 Seriously, what the fuck is up with him? I couldn't believe it when he announced his candidacy. He has to know he is only throwing the race to the Dem. Did someone not invite him to the prom and he's still pissed?
Posted by: Miss Fluffy McNutter at August 20, 2010 10:44 PM (xMSXs)
In my opinion he loves the attention.
He broke a term limits pledge.
He ran for president, Dennis Kucinich style. In other words, a vanity candidate.
He urged tea partiers not to run as a third party and back the GOP, then procedes to run as the American Constipation Party candidate.
Not the model of sober, rationalstability.

Posted by: Delta Smelt at August 20, 2010 10:47 PM (IRwVS)

185 right, I take your point, Steph, I overreacted and harshly and unfairly.

I guess it's because this has always been my worry, and then I had confirmatory anecdotal evidence, and then War Between the Undead States amped me up, and I dashed off an angry response.

Posted by: ace at August 20, 2010 10:48 PM (QbA6l)

186 Hopefully the door will swing both ways after primaries, T-party endorses repub and establishment repubs get over themselves too and endorse T-party.

I think Didier will come around.

Posted by: Guy Fawkes at August 20, 2010 10:51 PM (664Zx)

187 That's why abortion comes down to,
legally, the determination of the beginning of life, and that should be
a State issue, just as the determination of the end of life is.


Posted by: progressoverpeace at August 20, 2010 10:30 PM (Qp4DT)
But that is exactly the reason we have a 14th - some states determined that that certain groups of people were outside of the scope of legal protection.And again, I return you to the whole point of government, as per the founders - to protect the life and property of those under its jurisdiction.

Posted by: 18-1 at August 20, 2010 10:52 PM (bgcml)

188 I think we're going to be okay. People are going to bitch and moan, throw hissy fits, and dick up. But, most* will do the right thing in November. Everybody knows how important it is to neuter that Odumbass, and put this country back on the right track.
Plus, nobody wants to miss how on the sight of exploding heads. heh


*excluding Tancredo and fucks like him, maybe.

Posted by: Steph at August 20, 2010 10:54 PM (580hG)

189 186 In my opinion he loves the attention.
It almost always comes down to ego. Fucking whores.

Posted by: Miss Fluffy McNutter at August 20, 2010 10:54 PM (xMSXs)

190 I think Didier will come around.
Posted by: Guy Fawkes at August 20, 2010 10:51 PM (664Zx)
Maybe, he sure struck me as an attention whore that finished 3rd in a 2 person race. He got 150,000 votes and they are damn important to us. I was just dismayed that he wanted to try andbarter withthem.
I think his voters may be as well.

Posted by: robtr at August 20, 2010 10:55 PM (fwSHf)

191 I can't even begin to say how pissed I am at Tancredo. Its off the charts. It might be one thing in an off-off year, but this is a census fucking re-districting year. He is not only costing a governorship, he is virtually guaranteeing a liberal dem congressman in a gerrymandered district for the next 10 years, if CO gets another congressman, which it is estimated to do.

Posted by: Guy Fawkes at August 20, 2010 10:57 PM (664Zx)

192 Other blue staters can relate to this but it is damn hard not being represented in this government. I am going to work hard to at least get someone sympathetic I can email.

Posted by: robtr at August 20, 2010 10:58 PM (fwSHf)

193 I am going to work hard to at least get someone sympathetic I can email.

yeah, that would be nice.

Posted by: some wench at August 20, 2010 11:01 PM (uJBct)

194 but this is a census fucking re-districting year.
This!

Posted by: Delta Smelt at August 20, 2010 11:02 PM (IRwVS)

195 192 I think Didier will come around. Posted by: Guy Fawkes at August 20, 2010 10:51 PM (664Zx)
<<I think his voters may be as well. Posted by: robtr at August 20, 2010 10:55 PM (fwSHf) >>
I've never understood why there is an asssumption that primary losers have so much sway over their voters. It isn't like they are sworn delegates. My chosen candidate lost the '08 primary but it never occurred to me to look to him to tell me who I should vote for in the general. How many Didier voters are likely to vote for Patty over Rossi?

Posted by: Miss Fluffy McNutter at August 20, 2010 11:04 PM (xMSXs)

196 Didier endorsing Rossi or not will have nothing to do with who wins that senate race. THERE IS NO REASON TO WORRY ABOUT IT.

People have bad feelings after primaries. That is life. Didier is mad because he worked hard for a long time and then the RNC and other higher ups pushed Rossi to enter the race and gave him full support.

But like I said, him endorsing or not will have no impact. Most people who vote in the general will not even know who Didier is.

RELAX FRIENDS We have a decent shot at taking that seat. If we do, I hope Rossi does not cower in fear when its time to try and repeal Obamacare like so many other "conservatives."

Posted by: Dan at August 20, 2010 11:04 PM (1jzSs)

197 I read that Tancredo had agreed to drop out of the race if Maes would. The RGA told Maes that they won't help him with any campaign money, because they want them both out of the race, so they can put someone in that has a chance to beat Hickenlooper.
Have you heard anything about that?

Posted by: Steph at August 20, 2010 11:04 PM (580hG)

198 193 I can't even begin to say how pissed I am at Tancredo. Its off the charts. It might be one thing in an off-off year, but this is a census fucking re-districting year.
This is what I am telling all my friends who are not crazy about Meg Whitman. And we live in a red district that the Dems would dearly love to redraw.

Posted by: Miss Fluffy McNutter at August 20, 2010 11:06 PM (xMSXs)

199 By the way, C4P did not bash Rossi. They just posted a poll that shows its a very tough race. Posting a rasmussen poll is not bashing. We all know its a tough race. It is not wyoming. Any other year, we would not have a chance. This year, we do and it is close. Let us not fall into infighting based on nothing.

Posted by: Dan at August 20, 2010 11:08 PM (1jzSs)

200 Have you heard anything about that?
Posted by: Steph at August 20, 2010 11:04 PM (580hG)
Yes, but that was only before he agreed to be the Constipation Party nominee.
Now that he is in it, I believe he recinded the offer. He damaged Maes fatally by his stunt, and most likely the chances of a replacement as well.

Posted by: Delta Smelt at August 20, 2010 11:12 PM (IRwVS)

201 Rossi dithered and dropped hints, and then dithered some more until Palin endorsed Clint Didier. Almost a a week later, Rossi decided that, hey, maybe it was time for him make a decision and give his fellow GOP RINOs some relief.

Dino's 0-2 in statewide races. He'll need all of the Didier voters to win. And that will mean putting political promises on paper.


Posted by: mrp at August 20, 2010 11:26 PM (HjPtV)

202 Yep. So-cons to the rescue.

Posted by: sexypig at August 20, 2010 11:26 PM (0t7L8)

203
mrp, you are part of the problem. Everything for you falls into the simple paradigm of "RINOs vs. real conservatives."

Jim DeMint endorsed Rossi; is he a RINO too?

Posted by: ace at August 20, 2010 11:48 PM (QbA6l)

204 Allah has an interview with Charlie Cook posted. Cook says the GOP would have to win 16 of 18 seats in the Senate in order to have a ten seat net gain. Whut? I don't get that. If we win 10, they lose 10.
Oh. He's talking about us retaining the seats we hold as well.

Posted by: rdbrewer at August 20, 2010 11:56 PM (qjTXV)

Posted by: Dr. Spank at August 20, 2010 11:58 PM (xO+6C)

206 I'm a man of few words.

Posted by: Dr. Spank at August 20, 2010 11:59 PM (xO+6C)

207 Tancredo is a dick.

Posted by: Dr. Spank at August 21, 2010 12:00 AM (xO+6C)

208 Just for fun can you start using the word "Frakking" instead of fricking in headlines?
Also, Fiorina for Senate '10!!!
I used to live in MN and was completely disappointed by the Coleman re-election bid loss. My ballot was one of many that were not counted thanks to procedural screw-ups in the process for military members. Franken is a joke and I look forward to moving back to MN just to vote against him in 2014.

Posted by: Cali_Vet at August 21, 2010 12:07 AM (wWJ1T)

209 mrp, you are part of the problem. Everything for you falls into the simple paradigm of "RINOs vs. real conservatives."

Really ... I voted for John McCain in 2008, and with the possible exception of that distinguished professor of the Scottish Common Law, Senator Arlen Spector, I can't think of a greater RINO than Johnny Mac. But millions of other conservatives stayed home because they just couldn't pull the lever for the proud co-author of McCain-Feingold. And that's a fact.

No, Ace not everything falls into the simple paradigm of "RINOs vs. real conservatives". Rossi repeatedly ignored Tea Party invitations, preferring instead to run a "center-Right" campaign. And with the unique Washington State primary structure that allowed Dems and independents to vote for ANY candidate (not to mention having the full support of the GOP establishment), Rossi tailored his pitch towards the center of the electorate.

For record, the final primary totals gave Murray 46% Rossi 34% Didier+Akers 15%

Rossi's "Center-Right" strategy was enough to put him on the ballot, but it cost him a helluva lot of distrust out in the sticks. I suspect that most of the social conservatives are going to hold their nose and vote for Rossi with or without a Didier endorsement. If I lived in WA, I most likely would, too. But Rossi will have to do some formal reaching out to conservatives if he plans to out-poll the the magic ballot wizards at the King County Board of Elections.


Posted by: mrp at August 21, 2010 12:11 AM (HjPtV)

210 No matter what, Didier wasn't going to win in WA. He needs to stfu, and get behind Rossi rtf now.
All this holier than thou bs doesn't help anybody. Good Lord, Handel lost by what, .5%? Had the gracenottodemand a recount, and if anyone should have, it should have been her. That fuckstick Deal is going to be indicted more than likely. If he really gave a damn, he should have dropped out as soon as there was a whiff of that. What the hellhappens if he is indicted?
In-fighting is going to cost us some races, and it's stupid.



Posted by: Steph at August 21, 2010 12:15 AM (580hG)

211 Now that he is in it, I believe he recinded the offer. He damaged Maes fatally by his stunt, and most likely the chances of a replacement as well.
Posted by: Delta Smelt at August 20, 2010 11:12 PM (IRwVS)
No, this just happened on the 18th.
TPM link - http://tiny.cc/brwbo
Tancredo offered to drop out if Maes would so the RGA couldchoose another candidate that might have a chance. Maes won't do it.
They're basically handing the race to Hickenlooper. I don't like what Tancredo did one damn bit, but at this pointit looks like it's up to Maes .

Posted by: Steph at August 21, 2010 12:24 AM (580hG)

212 I was hoping to have Didier beat Murray, then keep Dino Rossi for a governor rematch. But eh, whatever works.

Posted by: Enochf at August 21, 2010 12:24 AM (zyrPb)

213 Late to the post, but yeah, Sarah Palin also endorsed Carly Fiorina, not Chuck DeVore the Real Conservative, here in CA, and she's endorsing McLame, not the conservative J D Hayworth. Political payback, I reckon. Rossi DeVore were endorsed by Jim DeMint, who is no RINO.

Posted by: roguewave at August 21, 2010 01:28 AM (52/g2)

214 Donate, morons!
Donate this weekend to every candidate you can. Do you want to be sitting here in 3 months knowing you could have helped a better outcome, but you didn't?
I'm off to donate.

Posted by: Jade Sea at August 21, 2010 09:33 AM (/aKkc)

215 I voted for Didier. Just because I like underdogs in primaries, and because I knew Rossi would prevail. I voted for Rossi for Governor. I will vote Rossi for senator.

Every time I got an email from Murray during the healthcare debates, I responded to them with two words: Go Rossi!

Posted by: Derak at August 21, 2010 10:24 AM (5plsi)

216 People who don't live in Washington or haven't can't really comment on "RINO vs. Real Conservatives".

In Bellingham we had hippies tying themselves to trees and shitting on American flags in the middle of rush hour traffic. There is no such thing as a RINO in Washington, so ditch your purist bullshit.

Posted by: Barack at August 21, 2010 12:18 PM (31pnY)

217 Bah, damn sockpuppet. Barack is me =(

Posted by: DoDoGuRu at August 21, 2010 12:19 PM (31pnY)

218 I am female, live in Washington State, and will most definitely be voting for Rossi (in hopes to break the trifecta of three, count 'em, three incompetent females in major leadership; Murray/Cantwell/Gregoire). That said, I do not believe that Dino will do ANYTHING if/when the state Dems steal this election, too. I get personally very riled when I think of this state's Repub leadership and Dino allowing the 'three recounts until we get it right' election of 8 years ago. Yeah, yeah, I know it went to court where one judge ruled against the challenge. So Dino played nice and stopped any more challenges. Pardon me if he does not seem like the type to fight for you, me or himself. Because we all know how playing nice has 'helped' this particular state and the entire country.

Posted by: Deb at August 21, 2010 04:52 PM (No9ss)

219 I also live in Warshington. I think Didier is an ass for being a drama queen on withholdingsupport for Rossi unless Rossi adopts Didier's [the distant third] positions.
This is like, with less than 2 on the clock and the game on the line, an offensive lineman will notblock on a fourth and goal from the nine unless the quarterback agrees to call the lineman's play, a fullback run up the middle.
"I would rather my team lose the championship than compromise my principles."
"I'd rather have Patty Murray be my Senator because I am an imbecile."
"I will give fodder to the MFM because I have become an attention whore."
Me? I want to win the damn game.

Posted by: Mr. Barky at August 22, 2010 12:52 AM (8k1ET)

220 "Nan Malin" is the GOP chair of Pacific County, WAwhere her singular accomplishments is to run a county-wide GOP organization that fielded precisely ZERO candidates in the county for this election.
Malin has a great deal of time to be a social butterfly in GOP circles, including holding the non-existent position of chair of the GOP wa03.
Clearly, her time would be much better spent getting at least SOME Republicans to run in what appears to be the deepest, darkest bluest county in the United States, where Republicans don't even bother to run... anyone... for anything.

Posted by: K.J. Hinton at August 22, 2010 12:13 PM (l6j1G)

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In fact, recognizing that there a certain class of living beings has fundamental rights is not anti-federalist at all. Our Constitution says that no state shall "deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws."

It is therefore inherently under federal jurisdiction to decide who is, and is not, a person.

This is not anti-federalist: anti-federalist (in today's usage) is giving the federal government powers it doesn't have. This is a power the federal government has, and must have, if the 14th Amendment's requirements upon the States to recognize individual liberties mean anything at all.

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