More Leaked JournoList Emails

More good stuff. Not great, good. Tasty. Makes me want more.

Looks like we got our first "reporter"! Not just an opinion writer at a liberal magazine; a reporter at Bloomberg:

You know, at the risk of violating Godwins law, is anyone starting to see parallels here between the teabaggers and their tactics and the rise of the Brownshirts? asked Bloombergs Ryan Donmoyer. Esp. Now that its getting violent? Reminds me of the Beer Hall fracases of the 1920s.

Here was a response. This guy is a nothing (so is Donmoyer, actually, but whatevs) but enjoy the full crudity of his response:

Richard Yeselson, a researcher for an organized labor group who also writes for liberal magazines, agreed. They want a deficit driven militarist/heterosexist/herrenvolk state, Yeselson wrote. This is core of the Bush/Cheney base transmorgrified into an even more explicitly racialized/anti-cosmopolitan constituency. Why? Um, because the president is a black guy named Barack Hussein Obama. But its all the same old nuts in the same old bins with some new labels: the gun nuts, the anti tax nuts, the religious nuts, the homophobes, the anti-feminists, the anti-abortion lunatics, the racist/confederate crackpots, the anti-immigration whackos (who feel Bush betrayed them) the pathological government haters (which subsumes some of the othercategories, like the gun nuts and the anti-tax nuts).

Then came the denunciations of FoxNews, and the demands it be taken off the airwaves, which it's not actually on, being on cable, not broadcast waves. But such details don't trouble our very smart, very connected JournoListers.

I am genuinely scared of Fox, wrote Guardian columnist Daniel Davies, because it shows you that a genuinely shameless and unethical media organisation *cannot* be controlled by any form of peer pressure or self-regulation, and nor can it be successfully cold-shouldered or ostracised. In order to have even a semblance of control, you need a tough legal framework.

I quote this because of the remark about peer pressure: I think that's critical, and that explains a lot about the media.

When Dave ("Who?") Weigel wanted to bash conservatives about Palin, he asked why we were freaking out over Joe McGinnis invading her privacy, because "any journalist" would jump at that chance.

See, that's the problem Dave: No they wouldn't. How do I know this? Because they haven't. Bill Clinton's a big, important figure to write biographies about; how come no one's renting the apartment across the street from his wink-wink "executive offices" in Harlem and peeking at him to see who visits him?

Same with Hillary. There are a lot of interesting subjects who'd sell a lot of biographies -- and for all of them, the lurid promise of exxxtra special access!!! Spy footage!!! would sell even more copies.

So why, Dave, if this is something "all journalists" would jump to do, do they not... actually... do... it?

It's because you're wrong. Not "all journalists" would do this about their subjects. Not because they don't want to sell more books. But because the peer disapproval from their like-minded liberal colleagues discourages them from spying on Hillary Clinton.

And they do it to Palin because none of them care if Palin's privacy is invaded; in fact, they applaud it. Because she is "The Other." She is inhuman -- and you can treat her worse than an animal.

You know, for the left's constant blather about "The Other" (an idea with merit, I think), they sure the hell are oblivious to their constant Otherizing of others, aren't they? You'd think that people who never shut the fuck up about Otherizing the Otherish Others would once in a while realize, "Hey, you know what? I think I'm indulging in a little Class-A Otherification here myself."

But I digress.

Behold the power of peer pressure. Recently the Washington Post made excuses for itself, as it always does, about its failure to cover The Black Panther story. Oh, it's, like, because we didn't hear of it, or we thought we had it covered, or there was just too much damn news that week.

Bullshit. You would have spiked circulation by 25% that week by covering it, for doing nothing other than doing your jobs.

So why didn't you publish it? Peer disapproval as each of your liberal buddies asks you why you're so racist.

Peer pressure. These bloodless, sweatless, sexless nobodies know nobody but their own pathetic kind, and they're all so career-oriented they have subverted every flash of actual humanity and personality they have to better conform to the herd's expectations. And the herd doesn't like race stories (at least race stories that don't feature the preferred villain Big Whitey), and so they internalize that in what passes for their personalities and they in turn don't like race stories either.

And FoxNews...? Why, they're not amenable to peer pressure! Rogues! They report different things than we do!

There's more to the DC article, of course. Like a producer at NPR having masturbatory fantasies about Rush Limbaugh's death.

Posted by: Ace at 02:47 AM



Comments

1 I love the smell of blood in the water in the morning.

Posted by: Colonel Shark at July 21, 2010 02:48 AM (z6Ex1)

2 I did some searching on the names popping up in the articles earlier to prove a point to a liberal asshole I know who claims this is is only lefty bloggers.

Ryan Donmoyer is a White House correspondent for Bloomberg.

Michael Scherer is a White House correspondent for Time.

John Judis is a senior editor at The New Republic.

Two of these are guys who are supposed to be asking tough questions of "Bullshit Bob" Gibbs every day while the third is a senior editor at a liberal rag with a VERY bad reputation for people just making shit up that fits their narrative.

These are not the bottom-feeder lefty bloggers like Kos or the tabloid show hosts like Rachel Maddow, these are people who are actually supposed to be journalists.

Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at July 21, 2010 03:10 AM (AFlF9)

3 see we've still got some cannons.....

I think the newsies will go into quiet mode this weekend.

Posted by: sven10077 at July 21, 2010 03:15 AM (kq1lG)

4 Projection and cognitive dissonance. It's the new in thing.

Posted by: wherestherum at July 21, 2010 03:22 AM (gofDd)

5 Nice post.
A lot of this reptilian in-group, out-group stuff seems motivated by fear. Fear for your job, fear of being in the out group, etc. If you can paint someone with the out-group label, you're also displaying yourin-group membership (or desire for it).

Posted by: rdbrewer at July 21, 2010 03:26 AM (z6Ex1)

6 Hey, remember that Media Vetting project you guys were trying to initiate during the '08 election?

This story gives all the pretext necessary to revive it.

"Vet" these fucks. Vet them until they're on the ground bleeding. Let them whine about McCarthyism now that their base authoritarian nature has been revealed.

Posted by: JB at July 21, 2010 03:30 AM (arkzF)

7 "Vet" these fucks. Vet them
until they're on the ground bleeding. Let them whine about McCarthyism
now that their base authoritarian nature has been revealed.

Posted by: JB at July 21, 2010 03:30 AM (arkzF)
(snif) It's a dream come true.The MFM are always going after everyone but each other, I'm hoping for not just more revelations from JournoList, but to get the MFM to do one of the jobs they haven't done in decades - POLICE EACH OTHER.When the WaPo has a front-page article on NYT perfidy, we will START to see a reduction in the actual perfidy.I *want* the papers and channels to distrust each other. I *want* them to compete with each other, for crying out loud.

Posted by: Merovign, From the Land of the Boned at July 21, 2010 03:46 AM (bxiXv)

8 Hatred makes you dumb. The worst out of that new batch (besides the Limbaugh death fantasy) had to be the UCLA professor and Judis advocating the White House censoring Fox News.
Really?They want to set that precedent?
So much hate, it's like they forget that the White House is known to change parties now and then in four year intervals?

Posted by: Lee at July 21, 2010 03:52 AM (7y9kL)

9 You'd think that people who never shut the fuck up about Otherizing the
Otherish Others would once in a while realize, "Hey, you know what? I
think I'm indulging in a little Class-A Otherification here myself."

Hahahahahahahaha. That's the good stuff.

Posted by: Ace's liver at July 21, 2010 03:54 AM (LtIsn)

10 I wonder how tucker got the scoop and whether he has the rest of the mailing list emails.

Posted by: rdbrewer at July 21, 2010 03:56 AM (Q4Ksf)

11 So much hate, it's like they forget that the White House is known to change parties now and then in four year intervals?
I seriously think it doesn't enter into their calculations. They believe all they need is The One Big Win and they're set forever. Further, they believe that 2008 was it. Obama was not speaking lightly when he predicted, just prior to the election, that he was on the verge of "fundamentally transforming" America. That really is the way these people think.
And for all their shrieking about stifling of dissent under Bush, these are the folks who will try marginalizing (as they have already done) anyone who disagrees with them. Many of them would march us into Gulags if they could - and since Inaguration Day 2009 they think that time is coming.

Posted by: Steve Skubinna at July 21, 2010 04:05 AM (QQ9sc)

12 Another piece of evidence for your case about journalistic standards of behavior is the case where a left-wing journalist did write a book against one of their own: "No One Left to Lie To" was what put a target on Christopher Hitchens' back.

His first falling out was not his support of the toppling of Saddam Hussein as is currently told - he'd been advocating that since before the First Gulf War (often to the applause of the left, because it made George Bush I look poorly).

Hitchens' falling out began with his essay on the systemic dishonesty of the Clinton administration and the Democratic party surrounding it.

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14 I can almost hear their replies now, "But we're objective professionals!"

The Guardian jackass at least has a plausible alibi. The British rags have been quite plain about their political orientation, much more so than the US outlets. The Guardian has always maintained a socialist viewpoint without attempting to hide under some Cloak of Impartiality.

It's not their actual political stance that's the problem as these emails makes clear. It's the bullshit claim of being 'impartial' while being nasty, conspiring assholes in private.

Posted by: Garbonzo the Garrulous at July 21, 2010 04:27 AM (oL8lS)

15 In all honesty, Davies doesn't say FoxNews, he just says "Fox." Maybe he's scared to death of the Simpsons. Or of them canceling yet another promising show prematurely.

(or maybe he's just an idiot).

Posted by: LikeATimeBomb at July 21, 2010 04:33 AM (i3iB2)

16 FOX should do a series of special reports on this - kind of like a rogue's gallery. This explains and highlights the liberal and leftist bias of the Lame Stream Media.

Any news organization that doesn't fire the journalists that work for them should be ridiculed endlessly for the hack media outlet they are.

Posted by: J at July 21, 2010 04:33 AM (EQqmi)

17 16
FOX should do a series of special reports on this - kind of like a
rogue's gallery. This explains and highlights the liberal and leftist
bias of the Lame Stream Media.

Any news organization that
doesn't fire the journalists that work for them should be ridiculed
endlessly for the hack media outlet they are.


Posted by: J at July 21, 2010 04:33 AM (EQqmi)
I think this story needs its own web page.With a "deck of cards" style interface, with pictures of each noodlehead from JL, with quotes and new players added as the news comes out.Fox could cover it with a new "card" every day alongside each new leaked story.And one by one, the perfidy of the secretive, underhanded, lying POS journalists could be made public in a very personal way.Mwuhaha, mwuhahaha!

Posted by: Merovign, Evil Laugher What Laughs At Midnight Baby Yeah at July 21, 2010 05:04 AM (bxiXv)

18 The really cool part of this - I bet most of those liberal clown didn't keep copies of their own postings to that list. So, how many of them are running around wondering what they typed, and about who, after a few cocktails nine months ago.

Posted by: Jean at July 21, 2010 05:05 AM (CPefM)

19 I tried to tell 'em...but all they could do was lecture me about my smoking...punks.

Posted by: Edward R Murrow at July 21, 2010 05:22 AM (XSD4n)

20 We're on a roll. Don't get cocky or distracted.

The pressure needs to be kept up. Do not start navel gazing because it's not going to be all virtuous and pretty. This is the beginning of a revolution and it's not going to be ugly and we are going to get some of it on us..

Don't be a pussy because you think you are right. The truth is the strongest argument but this has finally gone beyond simple argument.

We have crashed the gates but remember, this is their territory, their home, their turf. Set fire to it all.

Posted by: Pawn at July 21, 2010 05:37 AM (emF0q)

21 Opps,

This is the beginning of a revolution and it's not going to be ugly and
we are going to get some of it on us.

Sorry.

Posted by: Pawn at July 21, 2010 05:40 AM (emF0q)

22 Nice rant for first thing in the morning - better than coffee!

Posted by: Pumblechook at July 21, 2010 06:38 AM (y2j4T)

23 I've said this before and I'm gonna repeat it because, well, I've got nothing else: Journalism was ruined by Watergate because that opened the floodgates to every "change the world" lefty assbreath that was too dumb to become a lawyer. Journalism is the most academically slack degree available in most colleges (unless the Arts and Sciences colleges have been more inundated with make-shit-up degrees than my internal denial mechanisms are willing to concede) and it's regularly reflected by the dumbfucks stepping in it. The problem is that the asshole policiticians get too cozy with them (I'm looking right at you, McCain) and start constructing legislation that increases their ability to fuck things up. Having a population that is being dumbed down by the garbage education system (almost always supported by the journos) being lied to and nudged in a certain directionby the media is a formula for failure.

Posted by: Captain Hate at July 21, 2010 06:48 AM (qPpkJ)

24 So even the D list wannabe journalists got access to JournoList? The chances of Breitbart paying his reward out have gone much higher, these asshats will turn on themselves as surely as Judas.

Posted by: Penfold at July 21, 2010 07:00 AM (EdMSl)

25 The really shitty part of this story. Michael Scherer is one of the "centrists" on the list.

Scherer is trashed weekly in the progressive blogosphere. He's like the Pat Buchanan of Ezranus.

Posted by: wtfci at July 21, 2010 07:04 AM (R4rMI)

26 If you click the links to the actual email exchanges over there you'll seeanother Dave Weigel gem, basically saying that journalism's problem is the outdated need to give 'equal time' to 'real Americans' views' no matter how "fucking moronic." Nice.

Posted by: firefly_76 at July 21, 2010 07:18 AM (b5N+z)

27 The analogy Ace used when describing how the lamestream media treated Gov. Palin as an "animal" is so accurate.
My wife, a pro-choice, former democrat, former Hillary supporter, was disgusted more than I can express in words, in how Gov. Palin was treated. And the same goes for me.
I currently do subcribe to Time Magazine, its only magazine I kept on other than IBD and the WSJ.
Today I will be cancelling Time POS magazine. I trust none of these fools any longer. I knew 2008 was really bad, but this makes me want to throw up, this is worse that the Pravada in Russia, at least the Russians had the advantage of knowing not to trust anything they hear or read by the Pravada.

Posted by: johnc_recent_EX-democrat at July 21, 2010 07:24 AM (ACkhT)

28 firefly: Where is that Dave Weigel gem? I cannot find it in the links.

Posted by: wtfci at July 21, 2010 07:26 AM (R4rMI)

29 We have crashed the gates but remember, this is their territory, their home, their turf. Set fire to it all.
Posted by: Pawn at July 21, 2010 05:37 AM (emF0q)
THAT! "figuratively of course"
24 So even the D list wannabe journalists got access to JournoList? The chances of Breitbart paying his reward out have gone much higher, these asshats will turn on themselves as surely as Judas.
Posted by: Penfold at July 21, 2010 07:00 AM (EdMSl)
It might be more complicated than that. The "D" listers are hoping to get hired by the "A" listers. Either way they are emotional animals, so if we can find any of the journalists that have slighted the others with access to JournoList, I think it will start there. Which one of these creeps is banging who's boyfriend/girlfriend?

Posted by: Jim in San Diego at July 21, 2010 07:35 AM (oIp16)

30 Once upon a time when I was young, I thought I would be a journalist. I wrote for the High School Saturday insert for our local paper. I was editor of my high school paper. I loved constructing stories and getting information out.

My life took a detour and when I went back to college the people in journalism were not my cup of tea, nor were those in my second choice, education. It was the early 70's and both fields were full of very liberal people with crackpot ideas.

So I went into geology.

I still sort of had a respect for journalism until one day, while at home with my children, I watched a Reagan press conference and Andrea Mitchell asked him about his charitable giving, and why he didn't declare much on his IRS form. Reagan went into a long explanation of believing that charity was personal, and also explained that many of his donations were to individuals, who were not tax-deductible and whose privacy he wished to protect.

NBC was on all afternoon, and when the evening news with Tom Brokaw came on, there was Andrea Mitchell, blatantly lying about Reagan's answer and saying that when questioned, he gave no explanation. All said with a smirk.

I then realized that I could not trust what was reported, and although I have told this story many times, I didn't have video to back it up. This expose by Carlson is so long overdue, and I am very glad to see it.

Posted by: Miss Marple (redneck teabagger) at July 21, 2010 07:46 AM (bixjr)

31 Excellent post! And great close! dang
It's unfortunate I have a new job. I would just love to show this stuff to a couple people I worked with who claim the media is biased to the right.

Posted by: Mark at July 21, 2010 07:50 AM (H5zhE)

32 Posted by: Miss Marple (redneck teabagger) at July 21, 2010 07:46 AM (bixjr)
You know what? I remember that. I was a Reagan Democrat, and I remember that exchange thinking what a bunch or crock these "journalists" were doing

Posted by: johnc_recent_EX-democrat at July 21, 2010 07:53 AM (ACkhT)

33 24
So even the D list wannabe journalists got access to JournoList? The
chances of Breitbart paying his reward out have gone much higher, these
asshats will turn on themselves as surely as Judas.

Breitbart posted a retraction of his $100K offer for the JournoList archives. I am hoping this means that Tucker has them.

Posted by: Miss Fluffy McNutter at July 21, 2010 07:56 AM (xMSXs)

34 #32 Wow! I am glad there is someone who could verify my report!

Here is another question I have: WHERE ARE THESE PEOPLE POSTING NOW?

JournoList was closed down. That does NOT mean they have quit posting to each other. Carlson needs to set someone on to finding out where they are posting, and what they are saying now. You know darn well they are in a panic and are saying even WORSE things, especially about Tucker Carlson.

I would love for them to be caught a second time.

Posted by: Miss Marple (redneck teabagger) at July 21, 2010 07:57 AM (bixjr)

35 "Here is another question I have: WHERE ARE THESE PEOPLE POSTING NOW?"
I was thinking the same thing. Roaches don't disappear, they just set up shop somewhere else.
I wish one american who has been elected confronts these assholes on some Sunday show. I really wish someone would confront them in a Chris-Christie style way, publically, mockingly and in their faces on their shows.

Posted by: johnc_recent_EX-democrat at July 21, 2010 08:01 AM (ACkhT)

36 I posted this over at C4P and I will post it here: the key takeaway from this is that the Establishment GOP never would have gone after the Journolist Story the way that Andrew Breitbart did.

Granted, I know it's Tucker Carlson, but he was in a race with Breitbart to get the story out.

Were it not for the residual anger over the way Palin was treated in 2008 and after, conservatives might not have been motivated to go after the press this way. I know that the Establishment GOP wouldn't have been: just look at the Second Bush Term.

Posted by: section9 at July 21, 2010 08:08 AM (H6lGz)

37 Now we have to hold them to their own rules.
Everybody on that list should have stepped up and repudiated the suggestions being bandied about. Everybody on that list should have denounced the tactic of falsely charging racism. They should have deleted Spence Ackermanfrom their list and denounced him publicly. He should have been un-invited to their kettlecorn parties and shunned publicly.
Those who suggested Fox should be regulated out of business should have been labeled as fascists and denounced. Everybody on that list is guilty of facism even if they didn't make the suggestion themselves. They didn't step up and denounce it, therefore they are fascists.
These are the rules they make; hold them to them.

Posted by: spongeworthy at July 21, 2010 08:09 AM (rplL3)

38 One other key thing: the REAL story is the connection between the key operators of JournoList and the Center for American Progress and through them, the White House.

How does the WH use these people to shape the news content of the MSM?

That's the cat that needs to be walked back. These people are merely cogs in the Propaganda Ministry.

Posted by: section9 at July 21, 2010 08:10 AM (H6lGz)

39 I really wish someone would confront them in a Chris-Christie style way, publically, mockingly and in their faces on their shows.
Posted by: johnc_recent_EX-democrat at July 21, 2010 08:01 AM (ACkhT)
My friends, I know that in my presidentialcampaign promise to "name names" I was a miserable failure and, well, a fucking liar. But facing re-election to mydisappointedly contested seat in the Senate,I want you to trust me to finallydo the right thing once you return me Just like I've always done.

Posted by: John McCain (RINO-AZ) at July 21, 2010 08:10 AM (qPpkJ)

40 Thank you, spongeworthy. I see you've read your Alinsky.

Uncle Saul would insist on nothing less.

Posted by: section9 at July 21, 2010 08:11 AM (H6lGz)

41 You'd think that people who never shut the fuck up about Otherizing
the Otherish Others would once in a while realize, "Hey, you know what?
I think I'm indulging in a little Class-A Otherification here myself."
But I digress.I am going to make a fucking NEEDLEPOINT SAMPLER of every syllable of this Ace quote and put it up on my living room wall. Awesomely awesome.

Posted by: and I'll invite my liberal friends over to see it, too at July 21, 2010 08:14 AM (UTw/f)

42 wtcfi: For some reason I can't insert the link here, but if you go to the Daily Caller link for a few excerpts from Journolist, Weigel's rant is at excerpt # 6.

Posted by: firefly_76 at July 21, 2010 08:14 AM (b5N+z)

43
The tone and tenor of the JournoList archives seems to echo the emails from East Anglia.

Posted by: fapo at July 21, 2010 08:15 AM (TcaE8)

44 dammit, messed up the itals. The "I digress" part is the crucial cherry on top. Heh.

Posted by: and I'll invite my liberal friends over to see it, too at July 21, 2010 08:15 AM (UTw/f)

45 Because she is "The Other." She is inhuman -- and you can treat her
worse than an animal.

Couple this with the constant death fantasies and you can see the USSR from my house. I tell my kids that the problem with Islam is that it teaches that others are less then human and that all ideologies that do so lead to mass murder. The left has never quit the cult of Stalin. The are just too timid to follow his example. That may change.

Posted by: kidney at July 21, 2010 08:22 AM (ENRGu)

46 firefly: thanks.

section9: The establishment GOP cannot touch these stories. This is why the GOP is not nearly as good as the DNC when it comes to moving the media. A big part of the problem is the DNC has disciples already planted inside the temple. The GOP has to game their way inside and then manage to not get kicked out.

Breitbart is slowly changing the game. However, he has had a huge amount of help from the MFM itself. They have killed their own ratings. They are so low at this point that a candidate is better off sitting down for an Oprah interview then they are trying to get Stephanopolous or a MTP appearance. The news side to the MFM is in serious decline.

Posted by: wtfci at July 21, 2010 08:23 AM (R4rMI)

47 By the way Ace, 2:30 am suit you quite well.

Posted by: kidney at July 21, 2010 08:26 AM (ENRGu)

48
We have an incredibly unprofessional, incurious, left-wing sympathetic, big-government sympathetic, pro-wage-slave, pro-government union, anti-free market, group-think, paranoid, anti-free-speech, Chicago-pol gang mentality left wing nut media.


Posted by: Lemon Kitten at July 21, 2010 08:35 AM (0fzsA)

49 I have a great idea for a reality show.

Let's take 10 of these assholes and drop them in the middle of Kansas with no cell phones or computers, and no credit cards. If they want out, they have to get a job and earn the money.

Follow their travails as they are turned down as greeters for Wal-Mart, fry cooks at truck stops, and corn detasslers. Laugh as they try to order dinner at the American Legion hall. Marvel as they learn about county fairs. Cheer as their pretension is stripped from them by mechanics, farmers, and truck drivers.

Much suffering on their part, and much hilarity for all of us!

Posted by: Miss Marple (redneck teabagger) at July 21, 2010 08:42 AM (bixjr)

50 I used to counsel disgruntled employees about feeding off each other by constantly listening to, and talkingof negative things.All it took was one negative person in the group to infect others. People fed off each other and got angrier and angrier. The angrier they got the more they talked.It was an insidious behavior that could not be tolerated, which is why I eventually ended upfiring them if they didn't change. Thiskind of conduct is a sign ofimmaturity in any work environment, and any serious news organization(or organisation) should get rid of these people.How many thousands of people are affected each time one of these jerks writes an article with that kind of mindset?These people and the ones who hire them shouldbe thoroughly ashamed of themselves, but somethingtells me that is probably not the case.

Posted by: Ken James at July 21, 2010 09:03 AM (w91MW)

51 These emails show how bat-shit crazy lefty journalists are. Just as we now call union thugs union thugs, we need to change the terms to hate-filled left or lunatic-left.

Posted by: joeindc44 at July 21, 2010 09:10 AM (ZvwTS)

52 I've been saying this for years. EVERYTHING the left says about other people is projection. EVERY DAMN THING.

And Limbaugh's been urging the right to use Alinksy against the left. Nice to see that starting to happen.

#12 - Force them to live by their own rules.

Posted by: brian at July 21, 2010 09:13 AM (y05cf)

53 brian, indeed, liberalism is a pathology and projection is its primary symptom.

Posted by: joeindc44 at July 21, 2010 09:15 AM (ZvwTS)

54 Who watches the watchmen? The MFM have been in bed with eachother promoting their agenda and passing it off as news at the local and national level for decades. They have flat out lied through their teeth and been hailed as the best in the industry (I'm looking at you Cronkite). The faster the MFM goes out of business the better the country will be. Stop watching their shows. Stop buying from their advertisers. And watch them fade away

Posted by: TheQuietMan at July 21, 2010 09:20 AM (1Jaio)

55 and this list should be fodder for tonzzzz of libel suits as I think this goes beyond malice to batshit insane hate.

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57 Ace is the place for more media malfeasance and less Lindsey Lohan.

Posted by: John Galt at July 21, 2010 09:30 AM (F/4zf)

58 This is how the media view 'us'. It really is 'us' vs. 'them'. Not that there was ever any doubt at Ace's.

This should be front page news, but somehow, I don't think we'll see perky Katie Couric or Diane Sawyer reporting on it.

Fox should run with this.


Posted by: blindside at July 21, 2010 09:36 AM (x7g7t)

59 I think the concept of the "Other' has merit. Humansocieties seem to need an "Other", if for no other reason than to give life a sense of drama.Opposing the other gave a society standards (courage, honor, toughness)by which an individual could measure himself. But all previous otherscame from a different place. They were other because they were different, and their needs and demands, in a world of scarcity,impinged on your needs
What boomer libs have done is unprecedented -- so much so that it couldn't have been imagined by the most deranged lunatic of any previous society They created the "other" from their own group. They created the "other" from their own parents and ancestors who vastly, VASTLYimproved the lot of boomers. And they do it for no other reason than to feel superior.

Posted by: Austin Powers, international man of ballistics at July 21, 2010 09:36 AM (r/5/5)

60 This is truely another 'Climatgate'.
We just need another word to describe it. "JournoGate' perhaps?

Posted by: HH at July 21, 2010 09:43 AM (6oDXl)

61 Ed Morrissey: "JournoList isnt a random sample; it was self-selecting among
political activists masquerading as journalists."

It's 400 writers, academics and activists coordinating their talking points. That is anything but a few bad apples. These journalists write for Time, Bloomberg and The Guardian, etc. Just about every news source routinely linked to HA.

Posted by: Tattoo De Plane at July 21, 2010 09:49 AM (mHQ7T)

62 Blood in the water AND sharks with laser beams!

Posted by: dfbaskwill at July 21, 2010 09:56 AM (usjNq)

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Posted by: politicalmuse at July 21, 2010 09:59 AM (kLKnf)

64 What boomer libs have done is unprecedented -- so much so that it couldn't have been imagined by the most deranged lunatic of any previous society They created the "other" from their own group. They created the "other" from their own parents and ancestors who vastly, VASTLYimproved the lot of boomers. And they do it for no other reason than to feel superior.
This along with the peer pressure comment made me think of the archtypical boomer leftie and what happened to him/her. Think of the Hillary Rodam Goldwater girl and the like who grew up in the America of the '50s fairly certain after WWII that America was great and taking part in the lifestyle that the greatness provided. That boomers parents, many of them educated with the GI bill into a level of professionalism previously unknown in their families send their little boomer off to college.
But someone else had gotten there first.
The boomers, always highly suseptible to "peer pressure" are told that they had been living/believing a fantasy. America is bad, bad.
The boomers never asked who or what were reforming their minds so that they would want to "fundamentally transform" bad America.
And they still don't. They're comfortable now in their ignorance which they think is their superiority. The "other" is on the run because they think it's smart to hate the shining city on the hill.
I can only hope these pass away and that future generations don't look at the cesspools of the world as something whichto aspire.

Posted by: dagny at July 21, 2010 10:04 AM (OUNVW)

65 Brandon In Baton Rouge:

Ryan Donmoyer, discredited JournoLister, is a White House correspondent for Bloomberg.Michael Scherer, discredited JournoLister, is a White House correspondent for Time.John Judis, discredited JournoLister, is a senior editor at The New Republic.

I hope you don't mind my editing, but it's time to introduce a new style rule for Strunk White WRT referencing media activists posing as independent actors -- something along the lines of including a biographical tag that must accompany any initial mention of defined activists -- so that they may never escape the stain on their reputation for violating institutional ethics.

It's time to give them all a Scarlett letter, maybe a yellow "J." (J) could be the short-hand for these professional, tag-teaming hacks.

Ryan Donmoyer (J)
Michael Scherer (J)
John Judis (J)

And so on...

Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at July 21, 2010 10:05 AM (swuwV)

66 And these liberal 'elite' don't even see the "group think" which makes them a laughing stock. Then they pout because they're losing revenue and readership and can't fathom why.

As Ron White observes, "Sometimes you can't fix STUPID".

Posted by: GarandFan at July 21, 2010 10:22 AM (XaWFq)

67 Note how readily these JournoListers throw around "fascism" when they're the ones demanding to stifle dissent, wishing violence and death upon those who haven't done a thing violent (other than think differently), coordinating propaganda under the rubric of the First Amendment, and backing a socializing, expansive government that is taking over private enterprise.

Projection isn't just a river in Egypt. However, congenital or academically acquired beclownmanship does flow through their mindthoughts.

Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at July 21, 2010 10:23 AM (swuwV)

68 Democrats are all about diversity as long as everyone thinks the same.

Posted by: jukin at July 21, 2010 10:30 AM (vkkNZ)

69 blindside: "Fox should run with this."

I so agree with this. The MFM is atrophying at an alarming rate while FOXNews and media conservasphere (which is not FOX, BTW) prospers. News Corp. could so destroy their competition by exposing this stuff if it has the constitution to do so.

Kudos to O'Reilly last night for doing this very thing. He lambasted the MFM for not covering the NBP, ACORN, and other huge stories. Beck has been covering media malfeasance for FOX since he arrived. O'Reilly is starting to appreciate what Beck has brought.

FOX could put a microscope on media corruption (and not through that weak sauce, Fox Newswatch) and appoint Bernie Goldberg as an anchor for a new show. They'd have more material than they'd know what to do with. In fact they could even investigate historical records and report what was reported way back when by the MFM and what actually transpired. Invite historians to analyze facts and then collate the contemporary reportage. Illustrate just how long this nation has been mislead and brainwashed by the MFM.

Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at July 21, 2010 10:42 AM (swuwV)

70 And these liberal 'elite' don't even see the "group think" which makes
them a laughing stock. Then they pout because they're losing revenue
and readership and can't fathom why.

I think they've reached the point where they realize that their organizations have dropped so low financially speaking that there's no way they can continue their way of life without a government bailout. They will claw to being able to keep doing the same dumbass thing so long that their fingernails will be ripped off their bloody stumps.

Posted by: Captain Hate at July 21, 2010 10:43 AM (qPpkJ)

71 65

Knock yourself out in giving them a yellow J for their yellow journalism. It's certainly deserved.

Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at July 21, 2010 10:45 AM (olRjO)

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To make the point of how far the MSM has fallen, the freaking ENQUIRER got nominated for a Pulitzer for researching and following up on a story that the MSM desperately tried to bury and downplay in John Edwards' affair with Rielle Hunter as his wife was dying of terminal cancer.

It's like the first Men In Black movie, where J wonders why they're reading tabloids for news and K says that tabloids have the best investigative reporting on the planet "But go ahead, read the New York Times if you want. They get lucky sometimes."

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Posted by: unclezeb at July 21, 2010 11:28 AM (wthdY)

76

I am genuinely scared of Fox, wrote Guardian columnist Daniel Davies, because it shows you that a genuinely shameless and unethical media organisation *cannot* be controlled by any form of peer pressure or self-regulation, and nor can it be successfully cold-shouldered or ostracised. In order to have even a semblance of control, you need a tough legal framework.

This is genuinely fascinating.

Think about what he is saying here for a moment. He is calling for government control over the press.

Wow.... just wow....

When I read statements like his, and this is not the first time I've seen such sentiments, I'm always reminded of something that Joseph Goebbels said:
"If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it,
people will eventually come to believe it. The lie can be maintained
only for such time as the State can shield the people from the
political, economic and/or military consequences of the lie. It thus
becomes vitally important for the State to use all of its powers to
repress dissent, for the truth is the mortal enemy of the lie, and thus
by extension, the truth is the greatest enemy of the State."

When someone has the truth on their side, they do not fear those who
disagree with them. They respond to challenges and criticism with the
truth. Only someone who is committed to lies is fearful of
disagreement. It is this sort of person who seeks to silence their
opposition, not with the truth, but with brute force.



Everything you need know about this man and people like him can be
summed up by his own words. He fears an open marketplace of ideas
because he knows that his own beliefs will be rejected. He doesn't want
to know and follow the truth. He wants control. He became a
journalist in order to control what other people think, and he is now
upset that his ability to do this is draining away.


Posted by: Lee Reynolds at July 21, 2010 11:39 AM (/gY4D)

77 The fourth estate is now a fifth column. 4E=5C.

Posted by: sixgunsam at July 21, 2010 12:21 PM (3CT1W)

78 Wow, just wow. Awesome take down of them.
You know, I don't find journalists "scary" as rule, but their obsessive group think and ruling by peer pressure is a bit frightening. And a bit like high schoool too.

Posted by: ParanoidGirlInSeattle at July 21, 2010 12:48 PM (RZ8pf)

79 There is a bigger battle here between old and new power structures. One structure hoards information and achieves its goals through coercion. The other distributes information and achieves its goals through cooperation.
Why one do you think JournoList is?
More here...
http://29thday.org/wordpress/29thday/

Posted by: Pete at July 21, 2010 01:27 PM (6/1Z7)

80 Pete@80,

So the JournoList/MFM is Microsoft and New Media is Linux? I can see that.

Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at July 21, 2010 01:42 PM (swuwV)

81 Fun Fact:
After the Civil War Robert E. Lee received many job offers. The one he chose was president of Washington College in Lexington, VA, now Washington Lee. When he arrived he instituted the nation's veryfirst school of journalism there. He did this because he believed jounalists should bewell-educated professionals, that jounalism ought to be a noble and ethicalprofession and not something used by politicians todictate public opinion as had been done shamelesslyleading up to and during the war.
Huh.
I bet he's rolling in his grave, but probably not for the first time.
Sunlight is still the best disinfectant.

Posted by: DownByTheBay at July 21, 2010 01:42 PM (TaAH9)

82 Are there any names associated with the AARP publications?

Posted by: Buffalobob at July 21, 2010 02:15 PM (8MIgX)

83 I wonder if these archives will reveal any conversations regarding a certain VP nominee being selected around Aug 29, 2008.

Those exchanges must exist, and I am sure are quite juicy between these hateful Marxist ideologues disguised as journalists.

That will be the blockbuster, if they are forthcoming in the series from the DC.

Then you will hear MSDNC anchors and hosts agreeing with all the nasty vitriol on the air, out in the open.

Posted by: Brian72 at July 21, 2010 05:22 PM (GNBk5)

84 To Austin Powers, International Man of Ballistics
Sorry to do this but you're ME, baby ... I'mtaking credit for post #59. I posted your name by accident

Posted by: Call me Lennie at July 21, 2010 05:41 PM (r/5/5)

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THIS is why I return time and again.
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They are like Hitler in that regard. Like Hitler, and Goebbels, in so many many ways. Had they been born in Germany all those decades ago, they would have gone far. fascist to the core.

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