After Outcry From Its Members, NAACP Decides It Was "Snookered"
Beck Defends; Krauthammer Defends; So, Tentatively, Do I

By that sneaky Andrew Breitbart.

With regard to the initial media coverage of the resignation of USDA official Shirley Sherrod, we have come to the conclusion we were snookered by Fox News and Tea Party Activist Andrew Breitbart into believing she had harmed white farmers because of racial bias.

Having reviewed the full tape, spoken to Ms. Sherrod, and most importantly heard the testimony of the white farmers mentioned in this story, we now believe the organization that edited the documents did so with the intention of deceiving millions of Americans.

The fact is Ms. Sherrod did help the white farmers mentioned in her speech. They personally credit her with helping to save their family farm.


Beck Supports Sherrod. Beck thinks Sherrod got the bum-rush, because Obama's bus' tires needed some cushioning.

You Know... Beck makes a great point here. I am really on Team Beck on this, I think.

Krauthammer just said on Special Report she deserves her job back... and restitution.

The Anchoress brought up this possibility -- that the tape didn't seem complete, and that Sherrod seemed to be building to something that we never heard.

In fact, that does seem to be the case, given that the wife of the farmer helped in this tale is now vouching for her.

That farmer's wife, however, is saying Sherrod is a "friend for life" who saved their family farm from foreclosure.

...

The incident in question, however, took place two decades ago, and the wife of the farmer in question told told the Atlanta Journal-Constitution Sherrod "kept us out of bankruptcy."

"Her husband told her, 'You're spending more time with the Spooners than you are with me,' " Eloise Spooner, the wife of the farmer, told the AJC. "She took probably two or three trips with us to Albany just to help us out."

Spooner also remarked on CNN this afternoon, Sherrod "helped us save our farm by getting in there and doing all she could do to help us."

Sherrod admits she did in fact give the guy less help than she would have given a black guy (and claims this guy was trying to show he was "superior" -- really? Sounds like she's the one with the superiority problem), but that was 24 years ago, and if she was building to a lesson ("But then I became friends with them and learned" etc.) it makes it a different sort of story, doesn't it?

If the tape has been stripped of that kind of context, this is going to be damaging to Breitbart (even if he didn't strip that context out, but received the tape in that condition), who has been on quite an amazing run and has gotten to be very credible (and, to liberals, frightening).

Not sure about this yet.


Mistake Of Intent On Obama's Part? It should be noted that Breitbart did not release this tape to get Sherrod fired (I mean, "Who?") but to demonstrate the NAACP had racists in its midst.

The problem here is not really Breitbart's -- Breitbart released the tape to establish the NAACP contains racists, and the NAACP made a big spectacle of throwing Sherrod under the bus to refute what is irrefutable.

In other words, the NAACP made the story about Sherrod. When the story had always been about the NAACP.


The Anchoress: Here's her musings on this.

She listened carefully when others didn't.

Posted by: Ace at 06:22 PM



Comments

1 Its the seriousness of the charge.

Posted by: Mr Pink at July 20, 2010 06:24 PM (WfcRO)

2 The narrative is going to be "Anyone who opposes Obama or Dems in general does so because he or she is racist." This card is going to be played 24/7 through November.

And the Dems will steal 2010.

Posted by: BeckoningChasm at July 20, 2010 06:25 PM (eNxMU)

3 Breitbart EDITED the tapes ??? Shocking why he hasn't done anything
like that....... since ACORN

Posted by: denny crane at July 20, 2010 06:25 PM (I+7Zv)

4 There were a lot of people, even on Breitbart's side, who were concerned about context and what the rest of the tape would have showed. I hope that he's not playing games, because the very last thing we need is for him to be discredited as coming up with edited/out of context stuff...

Posted by: Lyford at July 20, 2010 06:25 PM (2ACAV)

5 Not the nature of the evidence.

Posted by: Mr Pink at July 20, 2010 06:26 PM (WfcRO)

6 How were they edited? And where are these farmers?

Posted by: Tami at July 20, 2010 06:26 PM (VuLos)

7 When in doubt, blame Whitey. Blame Whitey for making them look bad, blame Whitey for making the White House (see what they did there?) throw a sistah under the bus, blame Whitey for making it look like they said things they didn't when in fact they did. The NAACP doesn't know how to do anything OTHER than blame Whitey.
See, video evidence and empirical truth is racist.

Posted by: SGT Dan at July 20, 2010 06:27 PM (QUuUE)

8 Hoodwinked even!

Posted by: ErikW at July 20, 2010 06:27 PM (E1/9G)

9 Flim-flammed!

Posted by: ErikW at July 20, 2010 06:27 PM (E1/9G)

10 And that explains Ms. Sherrod's smirk, and the cheering of the audience?

I'm not impressed.

Posted by: Dianna at July 20, 2010 06:28 PM (qrFCz)

11 Hey, that wasn't Shirley Sherrod in those tapes either. It was Carrot Top in drag. Lying Breitbart bastiges.

Posted by: The NAACP at July 20, 2010 06:28 PM (AZGON)

12 I took over $1 billion from you crackas a year ago and you are worried about this?

Posted by: Actual Racist Sherrod at July 20, 2010 06:28 PM (+sBB4)

13
The Force can have a strong influence on the weak-minded.

Posted by: Dr. Varno at July 20, 2010 06:28 PM (3fiIy)

14 If Tea Parties and Fox News is so irrelevant..


Why did she get fired in the first place?

Posted by: Dave C at July 20, 2010 06:30 PM (qmecx)

15
Breitbarted Again: The Shenaniganing.

Posted by: Dr. Varno at July 20, 2010 06:30 PM (3fiIy)

16 So they were cheering because they just knew she would eventually help the white farmer, before she even told them!
Awwwwwww... horseshit!!

Posted by: sherlock at July 20, 2010 06:30 PM (G9/8V)

17 Shockingly they say this as soon as Glenn Beck calls them out on why they weren't supporting her and implying something was up.

Related: I just posted the following in the other thread.
WOW.
So the racist USDA official was involved in a lawsuit with US and got a
big settlement and the administration officials may have worried her
scandal may lead to exposing waste, fraud and abuse at the USDA.

Posted by: Guy Fawkes at July 20, 2010 06:30 PM (JSghx)

18 THE MAN got his foot on mah neck...

Posted by: rawmuse at July 20, 2010 06:30 PM (6Zecj)

19 They edited her thought process when she thinking to herself how she was going to fuck over this white guy? Sherrod and the NAACP got no one to blame for their predicament but themselves.

Posted by: lowandslow at July 20, 2010 06:30 PM (GZitp)

20 So when she said that she didn't give this white farmer (who was trying to act "superior to her") the full measure of help she could have given him because there were so many black farmers that had lost their farms, it was Andrew who made her say that?

Weaksauce, NAACP.

Posted by: Kratos (Ghost of Sparta) at July 20, 2010 06:31 PM (c0A3e)

21 I can't wait until YouTube Hitler finds out that Breitbart doctored the tapes eleventy!!!11!1!


Seriously. Why not just argue that it was a different Shirley Sharrod? Or that she was addressing a hall full of actors? The smell of desperation. Breitbart will bat this down like Babe Ruth on a slow pitch.

Posted by: George Orwell at July 20, 2010 06:32 PM (AZGON)

22 Yep, it was the power of the Andrew that made the audience cheer on Sherrod's bigotry.

Posted by: Kratos (Ghost of Sparta) at July 20, 2010 06:32 PM (c0A3e)

23 Wow, an entire pod of trolls was waiting to jump on this one.

You trolls do know that you will still be picked last for kickball, right? No matter how many times you defend the NAACP here?


Breitbart is letting this go on so he can set the hook. He let ACORN run a while too.

Posted by: sifty at July 20, 2010 06:33 PM (BimL7)

24 I took over $1 billion from you crackas a year ago and you are worried
about this?
.. The cash (settlement) award acknowledges racial discrimination on the
part of the U.S. Department of Agriculture for the years 1981-85. ... New
Communities is due to receive approximately $13 million ($8,247,560 for
loss of land and $4,241,602 for loss of income; plus $150,000 each to
Shirley and Charles for pain and suffering). There may also be an
unspecified amount in forgiveness of debt. This is the largest
award so far in the minority farmers law suit (Pigford vs Vilsack).
Read more at the Washington Examiner:
http://tinyurl.com/26g83uh

Posted by: yes they did at July 20, 2010 06:33 PM (0FoDO)

25 It would be interesting if Breitbart has something to show. He does love to hand out enough rope for hanging.

Posted by: Dianna at July 20, 2010 06:33 PM (qrFCz)

26 I caught five seconds of CNN and Wolf Blitzer giving the story 'tease' for their upcoming report on this emphasizing that this happened 'nearly a quarter of a century ago'. Assholes.

Posted by: andycanuck at July 20, 2010 06:34 PM (7b1Uc)

27 Shirley was a racist when I was only 8 years old

Posted by: 8 year old Obama at July 20, 2010 06:35 PM (+sBB4)

28 Well of course Shirley Sherrod gets the benefit of the doubt. And the NAACP rationalization is just lame. Yes the farmers did get help, even Sherrod said that, they just didn't get the same level of help that they would have received if they had been black. THAT'S THE RACISM.

Posted by: chemjeff at July 20, 2010 06:36 PM (Ps41e)

29 Andy Breitbart WENT BACK IN TIME and got that lady to say the things that she said.

That is awesome.

Posted by: rawmuse at July 20, 2010 06:36 PM (6Zecj)

30 I don't think this is out of context: "Took him to one of his own kind". So the NAACP now says this language is ok. Alrighty then, I guess Shirley is now backed by her own kind, racists.

Posted by: Guy Fawkes at July 20, 2010 06:36 PM (JSghx)

31 You can bet your ass if a white Republican had said what she said 25 or even 75 years ago it would be different.

Posted by: Trent Lott at July 20, 2010 06:37 PM (BimL7)

32 So, where is this full tape everyone keeps talking about? And has anyone looked at her record while at the USDA to see if she did this to any other white farmers?

Posted by: koopy at July 20, 2010 06:37 PM (awinc)

33 And that explains Ms. Sherrod's smirk, and the cheering of the audience?
Exactly. I guess Breitbart must have dubbed in the laughter and cheers? I don't care what the context was or is. That segment speaks entirely for itself.

Posted by: Soap MacTavish at July 20, 2010 06:37 PM (554T5)

34 Yep, it was the power of the Andrew that made the audience cheer on Sherrod's bigotry.
Well, theNAACP doesn't consider a small one-man fighter to be any threat, or they'd have a tighter defense. An analysis of the plans provided byBreitbart has demonstrated a weakness in the battle station.

Posted by: Dr. Varno at July 20, 2010 06:37 PM (3fiIy)

35 Sherrod gets the bum's rush, the Panthers get a pass. Priorities. Sherrod would be okay had she encouraged some lynchings of white farmers. Maybe burning a barn or two.

Posted by: GarandFan at July 20, 2010 06:37 PM (XaWFq)

36 Breitbart is letting this go on so he can set the hook. He let ACORN run a while too.



Remind me to NEVER go fishing with Breitbart. That son of a bitch would pull in his limit before noon and I'd be pissed that I was still working on trying to pull in more than one "keeper".

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at July 20, 2010 06:37 PM (P9+0W)

37 As part of a April 14, 1999 class action case settlement, commonly known
as the Pigford case, U.S. taxpayers have already provided over $1
billion in cash, non-credit awards and debt relief to almost 16,000
black farmers who claimed that they were discriminated against by USDA
officials

Posted by: ScamMe at July 20, 2010 06:38 PM (+sBB4)

38 Breitbart stated that he was sent this tape and did not have her entire speech to produce.

Posted by: Dr. Spank at July 20, 2010 06:38 PM (xO+6C)

39 Let's see... a drunk driving ticket decades ago made the modern day GWB a raging alcoholic. A deferment for serving in a war every libtard hated decades ago made Dick Cheney in our time a draft dodger.

Shirley Sharrod's behavior in 1986 and her audience's behavior at the NAACP this year prove every single one of them are blind racist pigs. Hating whitey, hating people based on their skin color. Sharrod and the NAACP... racists of the first order. Yesterday, today and tomorrow.

Posted by: George Orwell at July 20, 2010 06:39 PM (AZGON)

40 There's a link at Hot Air to The Atlanta Journal-Constitution, where the identities of the white farmers are revealed:

"... Eloise Spooner, 82. She and her husband Roger Sooner, who own a farm in Iron City, located in southwest Georgia, ...... "

Maybe I've watched too many movies (of certain genres), but how difficult is it for a powerful, national, Federal official (or a very powerful, national civil rights organization) to get an 82-year-old farmer in Georgia to do the right thing and speak up.

Posted by: Arbalest at July 20, 2010 06:39 PM (zv9SW)

41 Oh, so "Go see a white lawyer" is now what passes for providing all the help she possibly can? Does this mean that she tells any one that is brown to "Go see a brown lawyer" and that is the extent of help she provided them? Don't think so. Epic fail fuckwits.

Posted by: bebe's boobs destroy at July 20, 2010 06:39 PM (cniXs)

42 That's their defense? That it happened 25 years ago? Oh, alrighty then.

Two faced twits. So whata bout Bush's drunk driving charge leveled in the closing days of the campaign?

Posted by: Count de Monet at July 20, 2010 06:40 PM (2g2ex)

43 Weaksauce, NAACP.
It doesn't matter. It's something to cite. "Rightwing racist lie debunked...link." "Even a racist like Beck...link." "Sane recovering racist Little Green Footballs...link."
The story is over. 'Bart played this one way wrong. If he doesn't have more, he never should have rolled. If he has more, it's too late to roll it now. The already existing incentives for Republican squishes to loudly repudiate him are too strong, and lefties like when their guys to horrible shit and lie about it.
Fail.

Posted by: oblig. at July 20, 2010 06:40 PM (x7Ao8)

44 This Pigford lawsuit-firing-USDA-coverup-NAACP racism shit is gonna get real interesting.


Posted by: sifty at July 20, 2010 06:40 PM (BimL7)

45 The great thing about this naacp clawback is that it keeps the story alive. Which is what we want. The overwhelming undeniable never-ending racism of the naacp.

Posted by: Guy Fawkes at July 20, 2010 06:40 PM (JSghx)

46 What is this word racist anyway? Is it in the dictionary? I keep hearing it but it doesn't register.

Posted by: ziptie at July 20, 2010 06:41 PM (ljAGw)

47 another great story from my home state. Georgia......
we brought the south Cynthia Mckinney and Hosea Williams...... so this whole thing is just another day to us........

Posted by: Racefan at July 20, 2010 06:42 PM (MSpaq)

48 Sorry, NAACP, but you've still got a whole audience full of racists at your event. What are you going to do about that?

Posted by: Iblis at July 20, 2010 06:43 PM (9221z)

49 Beck is actually withholding judgment until more complete info comes in, citing Odumbass's lightning-fast diss of the beer-summit cop.
Gotta respect that.
I want to hear Breitbart's explanation before I decide to go to his rock concert.

Posted by: dum blond at July 20, 2010 06:43 PM (gbCNS)

50 That's their defense? That it happened 25 years ago?
Surprised? They still whine and bitch and moan (to get stuff for free) about things that happened 150 years ago.

Posted by: gator at July 20, 2010 06:43 PM (aOKEC)

51 Juan Williams is on Special Report harping on the 24 years ago angle.

Posted by: Retread at July 20, 2010 06:44 PM (L3Rek)

52 wheels on the bus went thump, thump, thump....

frankly we need to remind folks AB was highlighting how happy the NAACP membership was w/her story during the "mean parts"

Posted by: sven10077 at July 20, 2010 06:45 PM (kq1lG)

53 Black Bart? Bright Bart? Who? I don't know a Shirley, I was away. But if I did, I would have looked up something about her. Shirley is a her, right?

Well, all I know is I ought to ask Republicans why they keep covering up bad stuff, or being mean to poor people.

I like prune juice.

Posted by: Bob Schieffer at July 20, 2010 06:45 PM (AZGON)

54 another great story from my home state. Georgia......
With you, brother...but I don't think WE put those people in office. Every lib Yankee I've met will mock Georgia, but only the Georgian crackers.

Posted by: gator at July 20, 2010 06:46 PM (aOKEC)

55 Fox News is falling on its sword and begging for forgiveness. Juan Williams exults.

Everyone gives out free passes based on race now. The NAACP is now being portrayed as heroic for "investigating."

Breitbart has blown his credibility, and on a trivial issue when compared to the extent of crimes committed by the Traitor-in-Chief and his co-conspirators.

Anyone who tries to defend Breitbart will be branded a racist mo-fo cracka. Unfortunately, it appears that he "acted stupidly."

We are so freekin' screwed.

Posted by: MrScribbler at July 20, 2010 06:47 PM (Ulu3i)

56 The story is over. 'Bart played this one way wrong. If he doesn't have more, he never should have rolled. If he has more, it's too late to roll it now... Fail.
I was worried about that when I watched Megyn show the longer version earlier. There's way too much CYA that Sherrod has.

Posted by: ErikW at July 20, 2010 06:47 PM (E1/9G)

57 I don't see what the problem is. Sherrod was merely doing her job as I used to do mine.

Posted by: Bertha Lewis at July 20, 2010 06:48 PM (AZGON)

58 Damn white devils.....that lady jus wann hep folks out with they arthadontal problems and teefus an' shit....Is this damn USDA gots a polling station somewhere other than PhillY?? I could hang with some dentists..they educated folk..long as they doan have one iota o' cracker.......

Posted by: Rufus Shamwow Shabazz Triple Back Flip Wantabbe at July 20, 2010 06:49 PM (azgo2)

59 Too bad that Breitbart edited the tape the way he did. It seems clear now that Sherrod's statements were taken out of context. Don't get me wrong, I'm pissed off at the NAACP, too, and will never see them in the same way again. But, I hope people like Hannity, for instance, will try to get more details from now on instead of taking tapes like this at face value. Those who think Fox isn't a real news station will say, see, what did I tell you?

Personally, I think Fox and Breitbart should let this NAACP thing go, or at least not focus on it as much. One of the reasons why I turned to Fox was because the other stations were so focused on race, and Fox was the only one talking about real issues. They need to let the Tea Party fight its own battles.

On the bright side for Ms. Sherrod, I bet she will be the recipient of an NAACP image award next year!

Posted by: sillyme at July 20, 2010 06:49 PM (+zLTj)

60 Well, it looks like the typical leftist spin on this one has once again proved to be a resounding success. You can see people backing up from this like it's a dead rat.

Posted by: Soap MacTavish at July 20, 2010 06:50 PM (554T5)

61 Beck comparing his work in the private sector when he was a drunk isn't the same as a government employee using their position to discriminate against another race. Beck doesn't get that it doesn't matter if it was twenty five years ago or last week, they deserved to be fired. I'm sure this isn't one isolated case of Sherrod's conduct.

Posted by: lowandslow at July 20, 2010 06:51 PM (GZitp)

62 That's their defense? That it happened 25 years ago?
Uh Hello MFM, the smirking speech was given to an approving naacp crowd LAST YEAR. Who gives a shit thather actual act of discriminationwas 25 years ago. She obviously still thinks she did the right thing when she told the white farmer to "Go see a white lawyer" and closed her case. Not tomention how many other times did she discrimate against other non blacksby refering themback to their "own" kind for help.

Posted by: bebe's boobs destroy at July 20, 2010 06:52 PM (cniXs)

63 OT bombshell

Sherrod and her husband, Charles, were part of a multi-million dollar settlement against the USDA based on civil rights claims from the 1980s.
The case wouldnt be settled until May 12, 2009. She was appointed to her USDA job two months later.

faraway on July 20, 2010 at 9:39 AM
anyone registered at HotAir that can ask faraway chatter what this meant?

Posted by: willow at July 20, 2010 06:53 PM (SbsTp)

64 We are so freekin' screwed.

Only if you frame the questions like the MFM would. I'd rather focus on the racism of the audience shown in the video than on the side-show of a .gov employee giving them the chance.

Posted by: The Great Satan's Ghost at July 20, 2010 06:53 PM (r3wOq)

65 @54
Agree. When Georgia hits national news, I always say, "Uh-oh... we're in national news."
Cuz it's always bad news. Chaps me to no end.

Posted by: Dr. Varno at July 20, 2010 06:53 PM (3fiIy)

66 "You can bet your ass if a white Republican had said what she said 25 or even 75 years ago it would be different."
Word.

Posted by: Zombie Strom Thurmond at July 20, 2010 06:53 PM (kZVsz)

67 Breitbart didn't edit the tape.

Posted by: Dr. Spank at July 20, 2010 06:53 PM (xO+6C)

68 Juan Williams is on Special Report harping on the 24 years ago angle.
I guess Juan and Wolf are on the JournoList. And, I reiterate, assholes.

Posted by: andycanuck at July 20, 2010 06:55 PM (7b1Uc)

69 "On the bright side for Ms. Sherrod, I bet she will be the recipient of an NAACP image award next year!"
Good luck... I've got an action figure!

Posted by: Al Greene, best candidate for everything! at July 20, 2010 06:56 PM (kZVsz)

70 Posted by: gator at July 20, 2010 06:46 PM (aOKEC)
i know we didnt........ hell i dont think Hosea was every elected for anything. but i kinda miss him. i dont know if you even remember him. but he was a trip..........he was always in the news for crazy shit he did........ stuff he did was right up there with Moron shit.

Posted by: Racefan at July 20, 2010 06:57 PM (MSpaq)

71 http://tinyurl.com/ 34t6g2m
Sherrod should go to prison for defrauding taxpayers.

Posted by: Pirate of the Perineum at July 20, 2010 06:57 PM (ssiRW)

72 "In fact, that does seem to be the case, given that the wife of the
farmer helped in this tale is now vouching
for her."

Spooner's story does not line up in any way with Sherrod's about the farmer she was racist against. I think Sherrod oppressed someone other than this farmer, and this is just a trick.

Regardless, the real story is the reaction from the NAACP crowd. Even if a Tea Party supporter had invented racism, if the crowd cheered it, that would be the story. And that's the story with the NAACP.

But the NAACP has the full video (according to the AJC). They can release it. I think the redemption tale wouldn't really change the fact that Sherrod is corrupt, but let's realize that the NAACP could easily prove that unlikely story if it's the case.

Posted by: Legendary Film Star Rick Moranis at July 20, 2010 06:57 PM (dUOK+)

73 I hate the smell of fear in the evening.

Posted by: Soap MacTavish at July 20, 2010 06:59 PM (554T5)

74 silly me , perhaps you should find someone of your own kind . Maybe hang out with them .
Wait a minute , that didn't sound too good , did it ?

Posted by: awkward davies at July 20, 2010 06:59 PM (B4e7Q)

75 t's not only relevant that She likely was complicite in racism and injusticein Her Job. i believe in 80s? that was still against the law.
What is telling to dumb americans such as I is showing what NAACP is about, not anti-descrimination, but descriminating is o.k if done by the right peoples, It's appreciated and applauded.

Posted by: willow at July 20, 2010 06:59 PM (SbsTp)

76 Breitbart said from the get go this was all the tape he had received, and was attempting to obtain the entire speech. And it doesn't matter what Sherrod was leading up to, her audience can clearly be heard approving discriminatory behavior based soley on race.

Posted by: bebe's boobs destroy at July 20, 2010 07:00 PM (cniXs)

77 Regardless, the real story is the reaction from the NAACP crowd. Even if a Tea Party supporter had invented racism, if the crowd cheered it, that would be the story. And that's the story with the NAACP.

BINGO!

Ultimately, what counts is that the very organization that dares set itself up as some sort of arbiter of racial justice in our society reveals itself as nothing but a gang of racists, cheering on the very racial discrimination they claim to oppose.

Posted by: CoolCzech at July 20, 2010 07:00 PM (tJjm/)

78 I think the White House is more concerned about the appearance of the timing of her appointment. She receives a settlement with the USDA. The White House has to get the Congress to fund the settlement. Then Sherrod is appointed as the Georgia administrator for the USDA.

What the the NAACP video does is put Sherrod in the national spotlight for what otherwise is probably a typical political move for the worthless USDA budget.

I'm surprised Sherrod did not stick up for herself. The one out that she had yesterday was to defend herself. She appears to have given up that move intentionally by taking the demand for her resignation.

Posted by: wtfci at July 20, 2010 07:00 PM (R4rMI)

79 Twenty four years ago? She deserves forgiveness.

When they forgive me.

Posted by: Jesse Helms at July 20, 2010 07:00 PM (7+pP9)

80 Beck doesn't get that it doesn't matter if it was twenty five years ago or last week, they deserved to be fired. I'm sure this isn't one isolated case of Sherrod's conduct.
You know that and we know that but the problem is, to the rest of the voting public, it seems petty and mean to digso far back into someone's past, i.e., dirty politics.
Bad move.

Posted by: ErikW at July 20, 2010 07:01 PM (E1/9G)

81 see my update, if you care.

Posted by: ace at July 20, 2010 07:01 PM (KUUXH)

82
Why is she automatically given the benefit of the doubt? I'm not believing a word that comes out of this woman's mouth, ever.

Posted by: Dang Straights at July 20, 2010 07:01 PM (fx8sm)

83 This is why the right stumbles so often.

What she did was indefensible. It's a shame that I have to label Ace, Krauthammer and Beck as douchebags all on the same day.

Posted by: Chris R at July 20, 2010 07:01 PM (AO4qz)

84 I bet breitbart has worse tapes, this was the opening shot. All he did was show a tape.

The White House fired someone (essentially) without even talking to her or doing any due diligence.

This is bad for the White House. Breitbart will be fine.

Posted by: Dan at July 20, 2010 07:02 PM (1jzSs)

85 Yeah, I hate when all ya'll racists start digging up the past .

Posted by: Joe the plumber at July 20, 2010 07:03 PM (B4e7Q)

86 Yeah, but Hosea did do that Thanksgiving thing every year, so I give him props for that.

Posted by: Dr. Varno at July 20, 2010 07:03 PM (3fiIy)

87 By pointing out this happened 24 years ago, Juan Williams and his ilk imply we should give her a pass. Can we apply the same thinking to reparations? After all, slavery ended 145 years ago.

Posted by: Retread at July 20, 2010 07:03 PM (L3Rek)

88 It's hard to fault conservatives for less than perfect message management, considering the other side can get by withjust suggesting what flavor of name-calling is neededto get out ofthe particular jam they are in.
And there is only one flavor.

Posted by: sherlock at July 20, 2010 07:03 PM (h6sl7)

89 ""But then I became friends with them and learned" etc.) it makes it a
different sort of story, doesn't it?"

Yeah, such great friends that Sherrod told everyone he was dead, but he's alive according to his wife.

Such a tale of redemption, where Sherrod says she left this farmer (not spooner) to whites to help, but Spooner's wife says she referred them to a black lawyer too. A complete contradiction of the most central aspect.

Search youtube for "
Shirley Sherrod Defended by White farmers Wife; Eloise
Rodger Spooner"
That video begins with Sherrod compeltely contradicting the idea that she's contrite for her racism. She simply denies anything she admitted to in Breitbart's video.

And it ends with Ms Spooner contradicting Sherrod's story in various ways.

Sherrod said the White House had her removed. They deny that. Basically, almost everything Sherrod says appears to be dishonest. Why would we let ourselves be deceived so transparently?

Not only that, but this spin doesn't actually hurt Breitbart at all. The abrupt ending could have been edited cleverly to look less obvious. It wasn't. He just doesn't have more video. The NAACP has the video (check the Atlanta Journal Constitution).

I guess, because this is an issue of racism, a lot of conservatives know what it's like to be tarred and feathered by bullshit, and want to establish that it's wrong to do that. But that's not what happened here. Let's not let the left spin this so far from the truth.

Posted by: Legendary Film Star Rick Moranis at July 20, 2010 07:04 PM (dUOK+)

90 Once again, my issue is less with her story, although the phrases she uses are a little...how shall we say...concerning...
My issue is with the audience participation.
The NAACP rebuked Sherrod for her story, not the audience for approving of it...and who was the audience? Oh, oh yes.
The NAACP got snookered, alright. Bamboozled. But not by Breitbart. By Sherrod. She's the one that told a tale of racism in front of them, and got them to ooh and aah over it in front of a camera.

Posted by: reason at July 20, 2010 07:04 PM (kZVsz)

91 There are two stories here. One is the undercurrent of racism demonstrated by the audience...the NAACP members themselves. Before any punchline about her getting beyond the issue of race in her own personal experience, the NAACP member audience chuckles and snorts at the descriptions of blatant racism that did take place. This undercurrent is what the NAACP claims exists among the Tea Partiers. In this instance we see an individual displaying blatant racism as part of her story, and the broader audience seems to get a kick out of it. At the Tea Party rallies, the NAACP displays edited shots of racist (some arguably not, some by anti-T.P. infiltrators) signs, but doesn't show how the broader audience reaction of the Tea Party protesters, who look down upon such signs and in many cases approach the sign holders and either chase them off or expose them as frauds.
The second story, and more important in my view, is the second tape that BigGovernment put out of Sharrod, in which she happily extols the virtues of holding a job with the Federal government..."you hear of all these people losing their jobs. Do you ever hear of anyone losing their job in the Federal Government? That's all I have to say about that "smirk", "giggles in crowd". These words perfectly demonstrate the frustration of the non "public servants" that make up the most of the country. Whatever the race, gender, sexual identity, faith or political ideology...any regular American worker or owner in private industry should get chills watching a so called public servant speak in this manner.

Posted by: MostlyRight at July 20, 2010 07:04 PM (0aCXd)

92 Dan,
Hope that is true, He did back up the skinny Kid (and buds in gvt, office)and Hannah, and we did question the legality of skinny kid and friends than also.

Posted by: willow at July 20, 2010 07:05 PM (SbsTp)

93 Well I will wait to here from Breitbart. He is being pretty quiet sort of like he was with ACORN. As for what he's shown so fart, it's not taken out of context. She said what she said. She may have later changed but I am not sure of that either.
One thing that doesn't make sense is that in her interview with CNN she said she later had to go find another lawyer to help this couple declare bankruptcey. The lady in the ACJ said she helped them avoid bankruptcey. Could be two different people.

Posted by: robtr at July 20, 2010 07:05 PM (fwSHf)

94 But the NAACP says they have reviewed the full tape, .........

How about releasing the full tape to the public, with 24 hours?

The combination of what Sherrod clearly says on the tape, her audience's response (a 2009 or 2010 response, not a 1980-1990 response), what she says now, and NAACP "assurances" do not show me how ANY preceding or trailing context could change the reality of the clip.

But perhaps a quick release of the full, unedited tape, within 24 hours, will ......

Posted by: Arbalest at July 20, 2010 07:05 PM (zv9SW)

95 "People will not be hoodwinked. We will not be bamboozled."



Barack Obama (hoodwinked and bamboozled)



Malcolm X , "You've been tricked, flim-flammed, bamboozled."

Of course the NAACP are a bunch of racists for approving of what this woman was saying, but it sure looks like the Obama Bus acted stupidly.

Posted by: Downsized Upscale at July 20, 2010 07:06 PM (IhHdM)

96 see my update, if you care.
IF the complete tape shows she repented, then Krauthammer may have a point. However, that still gives a pass to the NAACP crowd reaction and how did someone who just got a nice tidy discrimination payout from the very same agencyget appointed to this job?

Posted by: bebe's boobs destroy at July 20, 2010 07:06 PM (cniXs)

97 Beck is right, and so is Breitbart.
I believe this tape is truthful and in context.
I believe that Obama and the NAACP are scared stiff, because I bet they have knowledge that this lady has done and said even worse, we just don't know about it yet.
Beck is also right because if he can get this lady thinking she has been unfairly railroaded, maybe she will start talking even more.
Either way, this is a win for our side.

Posted by: Jim in San Diego at July 20, 2010 07:06 PM (oIp16)

98 ace, I'm glad you're aware that the focus is the NAACP's crowd reaction.

I don't see how Breitbart is damaged by this spin. Even if this story is true (and I think it's OBVIOUSLY not true if you listen to the Spooner CNN interview), it doesn't hurt his claims at all.

Posted by: Legendary Film Star Rick Moranis at July 20, 2010 07:06 PM (dUOK+)

99
I oppose the Shirley Sherrod termination in the same fashion as I opposed the use of fraudulent documents in the Bush National Guard story.

Posted by: Dan Rather at July 20, 2010 07:06 PM (v1gw3)

100 This story is giving me whiplash.

Direction 1: Breitbart via Twitter seems to indicate that there is more to this story. He is pointedly retweeting nasty messages about him and tells everyone "to get a good night's sleep, because tomorrow will be a long day, with many to follow." WTF?

Direction 2: How on Earth do we know that the farmer's wife is the one she "helped"? How does she know that she was the one mentioned in the story, especially since it was from so long ago and presumably this woman has handled several cases?

We still don't have all the pieces yet.

I, however, have a Twix bar. So I'm good for the next four minutes.

Posted by: Filly at July 20, 2010 07:06 PM (/JOeE)

101 Breitbart said from the get go this was all the tape he had received, and was attempting to obtain the entire speech.
So I'm wondering if Breitbart was duped. Shoulda waited for the full tape first.

Posted by: dum blond at July 20, 2010 07:08 PM (gbCNS)

102 Breitbart is on CNN now

Posted by: Racefan at July 20, 2010 07:08 PM (MSpaq)

103 It should be noted that Breitbart did not release this tape to get
Sherrod fired (I mean, "Who?") but to demonstrate the NAACP had racists
in its midst.

It shouldn't be "noted," it should be the FUCKING HEADLINE.

But NOOOO, let the MFM control the God-Damned Narrative AGAIN.

God, I am So Sick of This Shit. I am so far beyond sick of this shit. I am up over my head sick of this shit.

We finally get more dirt on the collaborating, conspiratorial press corps and their narratives, and the first bombshell to follow gets scooped up by the damned narrative again.

I'm just sick of the damned manipulation, the lies, the constant barrage of CRAP.

Posted by: Merovign, Who's pretty sick of it at July 20, 2010 07:08 PM (bxiXv)

104 What if, along the lines of the NAACP racism part, she concludes her story with something along the lines of, "and that's why the NAACP is wrong/outdated/etc" and they reacted in an uproar of "Uncle Tom" or whatever? By firing her, maybe they feel like they could make it go away without the rest of the tape coming out. Maybe Breitbart already has the rest though - he's known for leaking in dribbles. I can't imagine that they'd risk something like this as a set-up, though.

Posted by: JasonF at July 20, 2010 07:09 PM (E6CbM)

105 Fily share
I, however, have a Twix bar. So I'm good for the next four minutes.
Posted by: Filly at July 20, 2010 07:06 PM (/JOeE)
please

Posted by: willow at July 20, 2010 07:09 PM (SbsTp)

106 Benefit of the doubt? Not a fucking chance. They wrote these rules about racists--fuck 'em. Let 'em fucking sweat, I don't care if it was a really a white guy in a "Mission: Impossible" mask, there ain't no reason, in any universe, that we should let them go on this.

You think that if the tables were turned that there would even be a slight chance we'd ever get an honest shake? Not a fucking chance!

Hell no! Don't even give them the chance to have the least bit of wiggle room. The time for being nice is over, the time for being even-handed is long-gone: They killed that chance, that mode, let them live with the downside for once.

You remember Trent Lott (slimy worthless fucker, though he is)? Remember the fair shake he got? That was how many years ago and we still have conservatives who still don't get it?

These GD leftist don't give a shit--you are a conservative, you voted for a Republican and that means you are the worst piece of shit on Earth. To them, you are scum worthy of nothing, if they lie to you--tough shit. If they slander you, tough shit. If they ruin your life, tough shit. You're the enemy and they can't wait to destroy you.

I'm getting too damn sick and tired of this "nice and fair" game, when every day brings another low to just how much the left hates me and those like me.

Posted by: jimmuy at July 20, 2010 07:10 PM (EvB76)

107 I 'd love to think Breitbart had more tapes, but I think not. I think this was a set up by the NAACP or someone in that organization.It's all to fishy. If Andrew knows who sent it to him he better say.

Posted by: Donna at July 20, 2010 07:10 PM (A77nn)

108 "Well I will wait to here from Breitbart. He is being pretty quiet sort of like he was with ACORN. As for what he's shown so fart, it's not taken out of context. She said what she said. She may have later changed but I am not sure of that either."
I think you let slip a Freudian squeaker.

Posted by: reason at July 20, 2010 07:10 PM (kZVsz)

109 So I'm wondering if Breitbart was duped. Shoulda waited for the
full tape first.

Yesterday AB was a genius. Now the backpedaling away from him makes Lance Armstrong look like a piker.

Posted by: Soap MacTavish at July 20, 2010 07:10 PM (554T5)

110 willow at July 20, 2010 07:09 PM (SbsTp)

(looks up from empty wrapper)

I'm sorry, what?

Posted by: Filly at July 20, 2010 07:11 PM (/JOeE)

111 What jimmuy said .

Posted by: awkward davies at July 20, 2010 07:11 PM (B4e7Q)

112 Beck is confused and so are you. when appointed as a federal official, sherrod was charged with dispensing *taxpayer funds* in a race-blind fashion according to the dictates of the constitution and probably a hundred other charters/statutes that govern USDA funds. she failed to do so -- by her own admission. they had to let her go.

Posted by: kathleen at July 20, 2010 07:12 PM (dJLhX)

113 I think you let slip a Freudian squeaker.

SBD alert!

Posted by: If You Smelt It You Dealt It! at July 20, 2010 07:12 PM (IhHdM)

114 Breitbart's next tape will tell the story. I wouldn't throw him under the bus yet. There may be more fun to come. I doubt Andrew would screw this up so prominently. Maybe he'll be smiling even more soon.

Posted by: dfbaskwill at July 20, 2010 07:12 PM (ndlFj)

115 Oh c'mon Ace, she doesn't deserve her job back - she wasn't fired, she resigned.

Posted by: chemjeff at July 20, 2010 07:12 PM (Ps41e)

116 http://tinyurl.com/34t6g2m

Posted by: Marybeth at July 20, 2010 07:12 PM (zQoWP)

117 The whole department needs to be shut down whether they are giving out money to black or white farmers. It is such a waste of money.

Posted by: ryukyu at July 20, 2010 07:12 PM (MOHSR)

118 "At the Tea Party rallies, the NAACP displays edited shots of racist (some arguably not, some by anti-T.P. infiltrators) signs, but doesn't show how the broader audience reaction of the Tea Party protesters, who look down upon such signs and in many cases approach the sign holders and either chase them off or expose them as frauds."

The NAACP used and is still using Think Progress as their source for photos of the Tea Party. What is Think Progress using as their photo evidence? LaRouchians.

Really. http://is.gd/dzYuA

The NAACP is promoting itself on the basis of information discredited over a year ago. The LaRouchians use the Hitler posters for every President at any rally where they are not forcibly ejected.

Posted by: wtfci at July 20, 2010 07:13 PM (R4rMI)

119 I still think she is a racist. I'm sorry, but if she's reformed why does she refer to white people as "his own kind" in the video. That seems like whitey-hate bubbling to the surface. Honestly the piece of video we have doesn't sound like she's telling the audience that racism is bad for people in power but that class warfare and increasing government spending is vastly superior. That doesn't make her less racist, just able to prioritize. Even if she is absent of racial prejudice she's still a leftist and therefore the enemy.

Posted by: The Doctor at July 20, 2010 07:13 PM (WZFkG)

120 Filly, waaah ,fer shame. sniffing.
I don't think Breitbart was necessarily scammed, let's wait and see.
If He was how does that Change what we all saw , the reaction of the honest civil rights advocates liking the story. and sneering face of Sherrod -telling it?

Posted by: willow at July 20, 2010 07:14 PM (SbsTp)

121 The story is not about the NAACP. F them for the lowbid racists they are . but they are not the elected officials representing us all.It is about those we elect and pay to carry out our laws. We hold our elected (and appointed ) officials to higher standards and not pander to these MFers.
Glad one of them lost her job.

Posted by: meleager at July 20, 2010 07:14 PM (Y2/mt)

122 Wolf Blitzer, Juan Williams, every word out of their mouth is a calculation to persuade. They are like poker players who assume that they are the smartest men at the table. They don't know any other way to play.

Posted by: Cincinnatus at July 20, 2010 07:15 PM (TGmQa)

123 If the tapes were released to show that the NAACP has been racist for a long time then mission accomplished.
As Sherrod presented it, it seems like a "Yeah I used to be an asshole (know what I mean?) but I'm not that way anymore." Religious testimonies are framed the same way.
Truth is, put together,it's been a huge, confusingclusterfuck from the beginning. My gut says Sherrod is a racist piece of shit.

Posted by: ErikW at July 20, 2010 07:15 PM (E1/9G)

124 It is sickening how quickly the media jumped on this exoneration meme. The woman still said some things that shouldn't have been said in my opinion. If only the media put this much energy into the black panther story. We have to realize we are never going to get a fair shake in the MSM. Their knives are out and they are looking for anything to smear Conservatives with. It is going to be a rough ride this election for every Republican.

Posted by: Donna at July 20, 2010 07:16 PM (A77nn)

125 "We finally get more dirt on the collaborating,
conspiratorial press corps and their narratives, and the first bombshell
to follow gets scooped up by the damned narrative again.

I'm
just sick of the damned manipulation, the lies, the constant barrage of
CRAP.


Posted by: Merovign, Who's pretty sick of it at July 20, 2010 07:08 PM
(bxiXv)"
AMEN, brother. It's disheartening as hell, because Ace, while he's a terrific blogger and I don't mean to hassle him, really is dropping the ball in this case. His update isn't helping very much.Fact is, Sherrod's lying a lot. Why buy her lie that Spooner was the farmer she oppressed? That's a load of crap, and I think anyone who has watched the interviews and the videos can come to a different conclusion. There is no 'contrition' for racism 24 years ago. She simply says it never happened at all int he CNN interview. I just tried to link it, but the website says no. It's on youtube.Breitbart is a great friend to truth. Why in the hell would someone say that this impossible to disprove crap damages him? Is there any evidence to back her claim up? Nope. The NAACP has the full speech. Not Breitbart. His claims are limited to what he can prove and nothing more. Let's at least wait until it's shown he was dishonest before we fall into the demonization of yet another good guy.I honestly don't like it when people freak about Allahpundit or Ace, but in this case, I'm pretty damn disheartened that the spin isn't being challenged, even though it seems like it would be easy.

Posted by: Legendary Film Star Rick Moranis at July 20, 2010 07:16 PM (dUOK+)

126 "The whole department needs to be shut down whether they are giving out money to black or white farmers. It is such a waste of money."

Exactly.

The argument here is the Rand Paul argument. If the government is in the farm subsidy business then it is inevitably in the discrimination business as it chooses which applicants receive USDA funds.

Posted by: wtfci at July 20, 2010 07:16 PM (R4rMI)

127 Do Naacp get federal grants?

Posted by: willow at July 20, 2010 07:17 PM (SbsTp)

128 I am conservative and have been for 42 years and I have never backed downfrom mybelieves
But the subtext here that needs to immediately go above the fold is the validity of Andrew Breitbart's own journalism - as much as it pains me to say this on this forum.
Integrity is above hoping your side is right. I watched Glenn Beck'sentire segment on this today and while he goes to great lengthsunderscoring the shoddy way this was handled by the NAACP and WhiteHouse,the question thatreasonable minds have to be asking is . . . OK FINE, but what aboutthe one responsible forpreparing the original story and releasing itin thepublic domain under the presumption it wasadequately vetted.
Breitbart has to become the story hereas much as those who fired Ms. Sherrod over what now appears to be a lack of due diligence.
Matthew J. O'Connor, Publisher, Clarion Advisory.com

Posted by: Matthew J. O'Connor at July 20, 2010 07:17 PM (8EEyy)

129 I, however, have a Twix bar. So I'm good for the next four minutes.

only 2 minutes, if you share

Posted by: The Great Satan's Ghost at July 20, 2010 07:18 PM (r3wOq)

130 So the NAACP can get fired up about the racist Black Holes and they get a pass, but some of you are letting them off the hook for real racism and discrimination clearly displayed in the audience?
Race and the MFM just has some of you cowering in your crocs.

Posted by: Burn the Witch at July 20, 2010 07:18 PM (fLHQe)

131 OK Great!
Breitbart has the ENTIRE tape.

Posted by: Jim in San Diego at July 20, 2010 07:18 PM (oIp16)

132 Breitbart on CNN: "This has never been about Shirley Sherrod. This is about the NAACP encouraging(?) the racist sentiment she was talking about."

Posted by: Tami at July 20, 2010 07:18 PM (VuLos)

133 Reminds me of something George Will said at CPAC recently:

Can someone explain to me why at a time of record farm earnings we still have a farm program? A century ago, about 40% of the American work force was in agriculture. By 1940, it was 17%. By 1970, it was 4%. Today it is under 2%. We are still feeding ourselves rather too well and exporting a third of what we grow.
When Abraham Lincoln made his one catastrophic blunder - I do not mean appointing General McClellan - I mean creating the Agriculture Department - there was one agriculture bureaucrat for every 227,000 farms. Today there is one for every 19 farms. The story is told and I hope that it is true - that an Ag. Department bureaucrat was seen weeping in the halls of the building on Independence Avenue. And, a fellow bureaucrat came up and said, What is wrong? And, the weeping bureaucrat said, My farmer died.

Posted by: If You Smelt It You Dealt It! at July 20, 2010 07:18 PM (IhHdM)

134 Bunch of slack jawed wussies around here. Just wait for this to play out. It's not like Breitbart to mess something up like this.

Posted by: CDR M On Battle Watch at July 20, 2010 07:19 PM (JSetw)

135 Jim hooray!

Posted by: willow at July 20, 2010 07:19 PM (SbsTp)

136 yikes........ Breitbart said he has another tape but cant release it yet.........

Posted by: Racefan at July 20, 2010 07:19 PM (MSpaq)

137 The tape showed exactly what it was supposed to: an NAACP audience enthusiastically cheering on tales of taking it to whitey and using government money to do it. The little addenda about government workers never getting fired is the real beaut.

Who cares about Sherrod?

Posted by: progressoverpeace at July 20, 2010 07:20 PM (Qp4DT)

138 I admit ....I panicked. I trust Breitbart, I just don't trust the media.

Posted by: Donna at July 20, 2010 07:20 PM (A77nn)

139 Ace -- I have the impression that a fair number of people on our side of the aisle made the story about Sherrod.

Right now, I believe the NAACP "investigation" is phony as a three-dollar bill. But their apologists have swung into action and they look like heroes for even pretending to check facts.

The howls of glee from die-hard left-suckers like Pissy Chrissy Matthews and that little crap-sack Eugene Robinson are nauseating.

Breitbart can't control the issue now. One slip, and he fucked it up.

I hate to say this, but releasing a partial tape is inexcusable by serious journalistic standards. The only possible "out" for him would have been for him to contact the NAACP and ask for the whole tape beforehand. If they wouldn't give it to him, he could then play that up and run the excerpt.

As it stands, no matter how racist the NAACP is -- and that's pretty damn racist -- Breitbart's mistake has killed the issue. Dead. Any effort to save it will merely continue the left's "Righties be racist" meme.

Posted by: MrScribbler at July 20, 2010 07:20 PM (Ulu3i)

140 I don't see how Breitbart has done anything wrong here. Breitbart just posted the video. Then he wrote this.

"In this piece you will see video evidence of racism coming from a federal appointee and NAACP award recipient and in another clip from the same event a perfect rationalization for why the Tea Party needs to exist."

Posted by: wtfci at July 20, 2010 07:20 PM (R4rMI)

141 "
Breitbart has to become the story hereas much as
those who fired Ms. Sherrod over what now appears to be a lack of due
diligence.

Matthew J. O'Connor, Publisher, Clarion Advisory.com

Posted by: Matthew J. O'Connor at"

Hey, idiot, Breitbart said the NAACP was more tolerant of racism than the Tea Party.

His evidence proved this pretty damn well.

Sherrod wasn't the story. Obama fired her, not Breitbart, and that's not the story. And if she's sorry she did something horrible, that doesn't change the fact that she admits to doing something horrible. Of course she deserved to lose her senior role. She's corrupt as hell and even if she's sorry about it, she's not responsible with power.

Posted by: Legendary Film Star Rick Moranis at July 20, 2010 07:20 PM (dUOK+)

142 128.

was that a feckin joke? I bow down to the sock-puppetry of that fine bit of "concerned Christian Conservatism" if so!

If not, Jesus Freakin Christmas.

btw I'm so with you Soap. this is pathetic.

Posted by: BlackOrchid at July 20, 2010 07:21 PM (SB0V2)

143 Yes the farmers did get help, even Sherrod said that, they just didn't get the same level of help that they would have received if they had been black. THAT'S THE RACISM.
Posted by: chemjeff at July 20, 2010 06:36 PM (Ps41e)
How about the racism inherent in her referring the farmer to a white lawyer, thus denying a Black lawyer the chance to take the case? Not only did she discriminate against the farmer in her treatment of him, but she discriminated in favor of a white lawyer. Funny.

Posted by: stuiec at July 20, 2010 07:21 PM (7AOgy)

144 When will Shirley Sherrod go on the lefty lecture circuit?

Posted by: Jim in San Diego at July 20, 2010 07:22 PM (oIp16)

145

Matthew J. O'Connor, Publisher, Clarion Advisory.com

Who, apparently, shits roses.

Posted by: Rob Crawford at July 20, 2010 07:23 PM (0onAO)

146 Just reading some of the posts here, one can see where the fear of being labeled a racist by the left is as autonomic as fear itself.

Posted by: Soap MacTavish at July 20, 2010 07:23 PM (554T5)

147 So how many other white farmers did she screw over before she came to this enlightening realization? She basically admitted she was racist and that affected how she treated white farmers. So she doesn't get punished for all the times she discriminated based on race prior to this story?

This story stinks. Who the fuck are the Spooners? Are they the same white farmer that Sherrod screwed over? Can we get some other white farmers that went out of business to sue Sherrod for discrimination that led to the loss of their farms?

The media completely manufactured the Tea Party spitting on black leaders story and never retracted it. Why the fuck does it matter that the tape was cut short? Does it change how racist Sherrod and the crowd was in the video?

Posted by: Pirate of the Perineum at July 20, 2010 07:23 PM (ssiRW)

148 I look at this in a similar way that I perceived the Octavia Nasr firing from CNN when she praised the dead Hezbollah sheik a couple of weeks ago: These SOBs are so eager to distance themselves from anyone who's controversial, that they've got a hair trigger in order to prove how righteous, moral and upstanding they are.

What they don't understand is that it simply proves, in the inimitable words of Denny Green, that they're EXACTLY who we thought they were. Firing doesn't change that, it underscores it.

Posted by: jakeman at July 20, 2010 07:23 PM (8QmEC)

149 Did not notice that Sherrod named the farmer she was talking about, odds are there are quite a few she had contact with over the years who could think she was talking about them and come forward.

Odd that she sued/made big bucks over being discriminated against by people who were her colleagues, yet somehow advance to the top of the bureaucracy.

Posted by: Druid at July 20, 2010 07:23 PM (70pXm)

150 I'm throwing the BS flag. First, prove the person interviewed was the same person she discriminated against years ago because this sounds like the sort of phony baloney story a person would make up to distract from the issue. And then, if true, explain why that makes a difference her case of discriminating against whitey and the cheering audience.

Posted by: pitythefool at July 20, 2010 07:23 PM (g3hGq)

151 Roland Martin on CNN is starting the liberal spin.
Screw him. He's a liar.

Posted by: Jim in San Diego at July 20, 2010 07:24 PM (oIp16)

152 nothing wrong with sending the farmer to his own kind, Right?
right?
right?

Posted by: willow at July 20, 2010 07:24 PM (SbsTp)

153 Sarah and her live-in looser are racists. Trig, too.
See it all on reality TV, so long as the money is right.

Posted by: Ricky Hollywood at July 20, 2010 07:24 PM (LwWtU)

154 but what aboutthe one responsible forpreparing the original story and
releasing itin thepublic domain under the presumption it
wasadequately vetted.
What "vetting"? The story hasn't changed - the NAACP, after wailing about the tea party being racist, is shown, as evidenced by the crowd reaction in the tape, to be a racist organization.

That the White House and NAACP turned it into a story about Sherrod is not Breitbart's fault.

Posted by: Waterhouse at July 20, 2010 07:25 PM (E8Z3S)

155 "
As it stands, no matter how racist the NAACP is
-- and that's pretty damn racist -- Breitbart's mistake has killed the
issue. Dead. Any effort to save it will merely continue the left's
"Righties be racist" meme.


Posted by: MrScribbler at July 20, 2010 07:20 PM (Ulu3i)"
What planet are you on?Why is the issue killed? The righties be racist meme is completely fucked up right now and we all know it. Anyone telling us we should shut up about valid problems because we might look racist is completely misreading the way that term has just been completely discredited.The NAACP has the full video. What Breitbart showed proved, beyond any doubt, that the NAACP supports racism. It proved that a federal official and NAACP awardee has used racial discrimination in a way that should terminate any prestigious career in government. Even if she had some redemption story (hint hint: she didn't and she completely denied ever being racist today on CNN... no redemption).There's a lot of spinning going on.

Posted by: Legendary Film Star Rick Moranis at July 20, 2010 07:25 PM (dUOK+)

156 When will Shirley Sherrod go on the lefty lecture circuit?
Think of the new material breitbart and zombie could get from that!

Posted by: bebe's boobs destroy at July 20, 2010 07:25 PM (cniXs)

157 and what proof do you have that this is THE White Farmer?

Posted by: Kaptain Amerika at July 20, 2010 07:26 PM (FEsJu)

158 Maybe, in demands for this full video, people will start asking the LA Times for its Khalidi video? That would be cool.

Posted by: progressoverpeace at July 20, 2010 07:26 PM (Qp4DT)

159 Just a reminder, if you attack Breitbart here, you are a douchebag. That goes for everyone. Don't be a douchebag.

Posted by: Chris R at July 20, 2010 07:27 PM (AO4qz)

160 118 "At the Tea Party rallies, the NAACP displays edited shots of racist (some arguably not, some by anti-T.P. infiltrators) signs, but doesn't show how the broader audience reaction of the Tea Party protesters, who look down upon such signs and in many cases approach the sign holders and either chase them off or expose them as frauds." The NAACP used and is still using Think Progress as their source for photos of the Tea Party. What is Think Progress using as their photo evidence? LaRouchians.
THIS is why it's important for the right to VERIFY information. Info thrown out half-assed HARMS credibility if things don't add up. PATIENCE wins the game.

Posted by: dum blond at July 20, 2010 07:27 PM (gbCNS)

161 @ 94: Hammer on nail. Release the tape in its entirety so that people can decide for themselves. Until that's done it's merelythesame old lefty cockholster chorus once again telling us to not believe our lying eyes: we're supposed to not draw any conclusions from what we have seen of that tape based on what agroup of typically lying sacks of shitis telling us is on what we haven't seen. No dice - show the whole tape.

Posted by: Bill Carson at July 20, 2010 07:27 PM (T3V5N)

162 Jim in SD@151: We were in Canada all last year, and the only news feed in the house we were renting was CNN. So, I've filled my lifetime quota of Roland and that imbecile Campbell Brown, etc.

It also gave me a pretty good insight into why many (and perhaps most) Canadians hate us, when that's the only information they get.

Posted by: jakeman at July 20, 2010 07:27 PM (8QmEC)

163 Ya'll ever deal with a black bureaucrat in the rural south ? You think the alleged ethnic discrimination by a black civil servant in this case is an aberration ?
If so y'all are some white guilt riddled suckers . Cause it happens every day in ways both great and small .
Now, I'll grant that the shoe was on the other foot for many decades but does that make it right today and in the future ?
My family doctor , our vet , the county sheriff are all black men . The old south is dead and buried .
Does my son deserve a heaping serving of discrimination because his great , great , great , great , grandfather was a typical southerner of his period ? The NAACP thinks he does .

Posted by: awkward davies at July 20, 2010 07:27 PM (B4e7Q)

164 158
Maybe, in demands for this full video, people will start asking the LA
Times for its Khalidi video? That would be cool.

Good luck. The master copies of that tape are probably sitting somewhere under at least several hundred feet of the balmy Pacific Ocean.

Posted by: Kratos (Ghost of Sparta) at July 20, 2010 07:28 PM (c0A3e)

165 156
When will Shirley Sherrod go on the lefty lecture circuit?
Think of the new material breitbart and zombie could get from that!
Posted by: bebe's boobs destroy at July 20, 2010 07:25 PM (cniXs)
Oh no, she will be self-serving and well behaved. Her vintage stuff (likely being destroyed now) will be GOLD, if it survives.

Posted by: Jim in San Diego at July 20, 2010 07:28 PM (oIp16)

166 Breitbart has to become the story here
No. Thatis a plant, a meme by the MFM, smear the truth-teller. The ones who must be outed are your kind. An independent voice is threatening ,why are you unable to discern that racism isnow an institution?.

Posted by: meleager at July 20, 2010 07:28 PM (Y2/mt)

167 and what proof do you have that this is THE White Farmer?

Posted by: Kaptain Amerika at July 20, 2010 07:26 PM (FEsJu)
He's white, dammit! He's a farmer. Ain't an iota of difference between any of you, cracka.

Posted by: Shirley Sherrod at July 20, 2010 07:28 PM (Qp4DT)

168 and what proof do you have that this is THE White Farmer?

Not only that, I have a little experience with people in the 80 plus year old bracket. They can hardly remember what they had for breakfast. Or even if they had breakfast. Or where they had breakfast. The whole thing smells funny.

48 hour rule needs to be invoked.

Posted by: If You Smelt It You Delt It! at July 20, 2010 07:28 PM (IhHdM)

169
The farmer in question, Mr. Spooner was just on CNN, and I recognized him as the father of the banjo player in Deliverance.

Posted by: Fish at July 20, 2010 07:29 PM (v1gw3)

170 I'm glad Glenn has the cajones to be intellectually honest about it. Unlike liberal shitbags, context matters to us 'terrorists' (read: tea party members) on the right.

Posted by: tangonine at July 20, 2010 07:29 PM (C8Pcc)

171 Well, BlackOrchid, it's obvious that you can't sympathize with black
people as effectively as white concern trolls can as you've never walked a day in the
shoes of a white concern troll. ;^)



Well, see you on the ONT, I've had enough 'concern' for the evening.
(Especially after having been sent into a rage watching Canada's CBC
News [Canadian Bolshevik Corporation] sucking off some pro-AGW asshole at 6:00
or so. Fuck them. Fuck the trolls.)

Posted by: andycanuck at July 20, 2010 07:30 PM (7b1Uc)

172 Even assuming that this is the white farmer Sherrod was talking about, the fact the farm was "saved" is irrelevant. what is relevant is the intent with which Sherrod carried out her duties. She carried them her duties as a government official with racist intent, by her own admission. how on earth could this be construed by anyone who writes this blog as acceptable?

Posted by: kathleen at July 20, 2010 07:30 PM (dJLhX)

173 Irony laced with irony . . . Breitbart's thinking if I understand it correctly is:
lets make a point about the NAACP, that incidentially we all know to arleady to be true, but in making our point lets release a video framed in the context of a smoking gun and then 24 hours later reverse engineer things when things are going bad over shoddy journalismby stating . . . wait there's more, I have the entire video that will make my point but Iintentionally held on to it to releaseit on drip mode . . . because this is what journalism is all about."
Wow . .. this is fricking great and along the way, conservatives get smeared on the same day the Journolist story gets Big MO.
I don't give a damn if I am out on a limb . . . there has to be truth and integrity in journalism period . . . this is fragmented bull shit.
Matthew J. O'Connor

Posted by: Matthew J. O'Connor at July 20, 2010 07:30 PM (8EEyy)

174 162 Jim in SD@151: We were in Canada all last year, and the only news feed in the house we were renting was CNN. So, I've filled my lifetime quota of Roland and that imbecile Campbell Brown, etc. It also gave me a pretty good insight into why many (and perhaps most) Canadians hate us, when that's the only information they get.
Posted by: jakeman at July 20, 2010 07:27 PM (8QmEC)
Same thing in the UK, but even worse because it's filtered through the BBC first.

Posted by: Jim in San Diego at July 20, 2010 07:31 PM (oIp16)

175 @andycanuck, you can add Mar-see-ah from CBC to my previous comment about CNN at 162...I had my lifetime quota of her, too.

Posted by: jakeman at July 20, 2010 07:32 PM (8QmEC)

176 Honestly, I reserve my opinion until I see the whole video. Half truths are what the left deals in.

Posted by: tangonine at July 20, 2010 07:32 PM (C8Pcc)

177 Fucking fuck. We're fucking fucked here.

Posted by: Truman North at July 20, 2010 07:32 PM (3h3kv)

178 Matthew J. O'Connor? Wait, you seem familiar... Is that you Charles?

Posted by: Donna at July 20, 2010 07:33 PM (A77nn)

179 Oh. Let there be no doubt: we're fucked like the sexiest sheep in Asscrackistan.

Posted by: tangonine at July 20, 2010 07:34 PM (C8Pcc)

180 And the Anchoress can go piss up a rope as well.

What a wonderful strategy we on the right have. Anytime the front line advances, the rear fires a volley into their ranks. Gotta be fair and all, don'tcha know?

If they can't let the fight advance without sabotoging it from the rear, why the fuck can't right-leaning bloggers just shut the fuck up? You know damn good and well that if this was on the left, not one damn leftie blog would come anywhere close to saying, "hold on a sec here guys, we might be rushing to judgment." They just shut up and let the damage be done, the strut out later and claim they had nothing to do with it.

Let me say this as plain as I can: The middle does not give two shits about "fairness" or "niceness" or "honesty." All they care about is being on the winning team. And not one of you trying to say, "back off a bit on this; Brietbart may have got this wrong" can point to one single instance where the Republican made up ground in the polls after another bout of being more fair, more nice, more honest than the leftie. Oh, there are polls galore that "say" they care about those things, but when the rubber meets the road--they vote for the winner no matter what they did to get there.

Posted by: jimmuy at July 20, 2010 07:34 PM (EvB76)

181 Breitbart may be smarter than people are giving him credit for:
The story is really about the NAACP and its (by now quite obvious) racism. Thanks to what has happened to Sherrod, it now reveals a bit of duplicity.
I mean, even an apparently loyal Black apparatchik has been thrown under the bus when she became a convenient scapegoat, no? So...does that mean the NAACP really will throw any Black person under the bus when it becomes convenient for them? Not really doing its job then, is it? (besides the racism against whitey).
That the Obama administration has been caught up in it too...and questions are now being asked about the USDA -- well, that certainly isn't bad either, now is it?

Posted by: unknown jane at July 20, 2010 07:34 PM (5/yRG)

182 -->Good luck.

I know. It's pure "pie in the sky" stuff. I was just throwing it out there. I still think this tape was effective and fine. Let the debate be about Sherrod, now. We already have the attitude of the NAACP audience (along with tons of quotes from their leadership and award winners) that shows exactly what they are - as if anyone didn't know, already. Now, we can see the particulars of Sherrod's suit against the government and position within it.

-->The master copies of that tape are
probably sitting somewhere under at least several hundred feet of the
balmy Pacific Ocean.

Posted by: Kratos (Ghost of Sparta) at July 20, 2010 07:28 PM (c0A3e)
No. I'm sure that there are copies easily accessible. Lefties are too dumb to get rid of it. And they think they can get away with anything - which has been true up to now ...

Posted by: progressoverpeace at July 20, 2010 07:34 PM (Qp4DT)

183 there has to be truth and integrity
in journalism period
And apparently by your definition this entails executing the messenger and giving the message a reprieve.

Posted by: Soap MacTavish at July 20, 2010 07:34 PM (554T5)

184 Shirley Sherrod is a racist who gave a speech to racists at a racist organization.


Posted by: sifty at July 20, 2010 07:34 PM (BimL7)

185 In 1986, Shirley Sherrod worked for both the Federation of Southern Cooperatives, whose mission is to assist Black farmers in the Deep South, and the Farmers Legal Action Group, whose mission is to assist all family farmers across the USA. I doubt anyone would have sent a white farmer to her in her capacity with the FSC, but certainly it would have been proper to send him to her in her capacity with FLAG.
But FLAG's mission is not race-based. I imagine that they would be mortified to know that one of their board members acted in a racially-biased manner back then.
Source:
"In 1985, as the land was being lost, Shirley entered the RDLN [Rural Development Leadership Network - stuiec] program. Previously, she had worked behind the scenes, but as she participated in RDLN, she began to realize her capacity as an up-front leader. She invited the Federation of Southern Cooperatives to sponsor her in the RDLN program, earned her master's degree with a thesis that continues to provide a blueprint for her ongoing work with black farmers and others, helped orient all succeeding groups of RDLN Leaders, and became vice chair of RDLN's Board of Directors. As you all know, Shirley is Georgia Lead for both the Federation of Southern Cooperatives/Land Assistance Fund and the Southern Rural Black Women's Initiative. She has also chaired the board of the Farmers Legal Action Group, which has been active in the minority farmers law suit, along with the Federation and other groups. FSC and SRBWI hosted RDLN's National Network Assembly in 2006, during which Network members had a chance to immerse themselves in Civil Rights history, with the guidance of Shirley and Charles (the first field director of SNCC), Albany singers and others, and to visit the economic development projects that have grown out of that Civil Rights history."

Posted by: stuiec at July 20, 2010 07:35 PM (7AOgy)

186 Posted by: Soap MacTavish at July 20, 2010 07:23 PM

The problem, at least as I see it, is that Breitbart picked a relatively small issue -- racism at the NAACP? Well, duh -- and handled it poorly. His intent really doesn't matter; it looks as if he screwed the pooch.

At a time when we have a Constitution-busting criminal in the White House and the traitorous Eric Shabazz Holder making race preference the law of the land, this is small potatoes.

It's time to go all-out on the really important issues, not continue to try to justify Brietbart's ill-considered actions. Maybe it's not as sexy in the absence of video (unless someone made vids of the Traitor-in-Chief conspiring to cut the Panthers loose, which is unlikely), but someone has to dig into the real stories that don't lend themselves to YouTube but do have a potentially terrifying impact on our country.

Posted by: MrScribbler at July 20, 2010 07:35 PM (Ulu3i)

187 ACORN spun the tape as "just one office" until several more tapes, from different offices, in different cities, with different employees speaking were televised...

Posted by: Adriane at July 20, 2010 07:35 PM (+NfQM)

188 I'm sure churles had to lock himself in his bunk with a case of tube socks after this one popped on the wire. He lives for this shit.

Posted by: tangonine at July 20, 2010 07:36 PM (C8Pcc)

189 Yeah--Big bum rush... Except for the $13 million dollar settlement she got from the Agr. Dept the day before she started work....


Look under the rock, Ace....

Posted by: Kasper Hauser at July 20, 2010 07:36 PM (bVj4V)

190 Great post on this from Dan Riehl: http://bit.ly/bWOgFy

Posted by: Countrysquire at July 20, 2010 07:36 PM (VegQp)

191 And why was the crowd laughing and applauding at her "I screwed over the white guy" lines?

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at July 20, 2010 07:37 PM (PQY7w)

192 It could have been anyone on that stage. The defense mechanisms would be the same.

Deny
Sacrificial Lamb
Counter-accusations
Smear the messenger
Claim past injustices excuse all
Sue the accuser
Ask for more money from the government
Outlaw the accusation
Rinse Repeat

Posted by: sifty at July 20, 2010 07:37 PM (BimL7)

193 Yikes. Here comes the "we must pick our battles" meme.

Posted by: Soap MacTavish at July 20, 2010 07:37 PM (554T5)

194 It's pretty astonishing to me that so many here are so willing to believe the worst, even before seeing the entire tape. And, it's not just the trolls dropping in, it's also the regulars from whom I've come to expect some sort of reasoned debate.

As with the other side, when this side sticks to a narrative to such a degree that they are blinded by the shiny nugget of "gotcha", it makes us look as illogical and unreasonable as the left.


Posted by: jmflynny at July 20, 2010 07:37 PM (NHK5s)

195 I don't give a
damn if I am out on a limb . . . there has to be truth and integrity in
journalism period . . . this is fragmented bull shit.
Matthew J. O'Connor

Posted by: Matthew J. O'Connor at July 20, 2010 07:30 PM (8EEyy)
Then the story is, why did the White House - the friggin' White House!! - weigh in on this so quickly and force a resignation ... at the side of the road. LOL.That was Beck's point.

Posted by: progressoverpeace at July 20, 2010 07:37 PM (Qp4DT)

196 Remember, it's not about Ms. Sherrod, it's the (racist) crowd's approval.

Posted by: Countrysquire at July 20, 2010 07:38 PM (VegQp)

197 The kind of racism Sherrod admits to is believable and rampant.

It's a real problem that hurts real people.

I envy those of you who don't implicitly believe Sherrod's argument against her interests. I am curious about any of you who believes her contradictory and self serving defense today.

Posted by: Legendary Film Star Rick Moranis at July 20, 2010 07:38 PM (dUOK+)

198
Shirley Sherrod acted stupidly.

Posted by: B. "Smackmouth" Obama at July 20, 2010 07:38 PM (v1gw3)

199 Let's put it this way. Breitbart's got way more credibility than NAA(L)CP. So I'll wait for his other shoe to drop.

Actually I think its awesome how he got them to panic and dump the racist bitch overboard. Let's try it with a major figure now, like a MSM reporter or Dem elected official. I'm tired of these sacrificial small fry. Its time the MSM learns to fear us.

Posted by: Iblis at July 20, 2010 07:39 PM (9221z)

200 And while a few on the right will take advantage of this case to look like they are the most reasonable and smart and patient and fair, let's remember that we're also tearing down the ACORN story.

The idea that Breitbart edits the truth out of videos is a FUCKING LIE. And you all know it.

Posted by: Legendary Film Star Rick Moranis at July 20, 2010 07:39 PM (dUOK+)

201 I think it was a bit hasty to fire her so quickly, be let's get two things straight:

1. There is no possible context that would make what she said okay. She admitted to discriminating by race on the job. Even if she was making a larger point of "but I overcame that", it doesn't change that she admitted to this. So there is nothing misleading about the clip.

2. It's a clip. It's not "edited", unless we are to consider every single clip we see on cable news every day "edited". The footage was completely unedited (except for the subtitles) from the beginning of the clip to the end of the clip.

Posted by: the peanut gallery at July 20, 2010 07:39 PM (NurK6)

202
If Shirley Sherrod's confessing to racism is dismissed out of hand by
leftist and elitists in the media and the NAACP, then Trent Lott's
comment about Strom Thurmond should also have been dismissed as
irrelevant. Or is there a different standard for white offenders?

Posted by: Fish at July 20, 2010 07:39 PM (v1gw3)

203 189 Kasper Hauser,
you know....
her settlement is a matter of Public record and reported on by the newsies.....Bury tried to bus her so quickly because there is obvious conflict of interest in hiring her after she got her payday.....
I think Breibart got hurt but has an ace up his sleeve....
he is using guerilla marketing for his attack I think

Posted by: sven10077 at July 20, 2010 07:39 PM (kq1lG)

204 Breitbart's mistake has killed the issue. Dead. Any effort to save it will merely continue the left's "Righties be racist" meme
.
yeah - FU with a pole. No mistake, show the truth The left no longer controls the meme.

Posted by: meleager at July 20, 2010 07:40 PM (Y2/mt)

205 111
What jimmuy said .

Damn Straight. I'm sick of this runnin' shit....

Posted by: TXMarko at July 20, 2010 07:40 PM (qcNAp)

206
Somethong stinks in Denmark.

Posted by: Steele McBoner, the head of the GOP at July 20, 2010 07:40 PM (AvO0L)

207 Remember, none of Breitbart's initial claims have been refuted.

We have some claim about a farmer making friends with a bigot, but it's irrelevant theater. Fact is, Breitbart caught yet another corrupt fucker.

Posted by: Legendary Film Star Rick Moranis at July 20, 2010 07:40 PM (dUOK+)

208 No . . . It's a guy who is using his real name who at this minute is in Calif and who publishes Clarion Advisory and who about now needs a gin and tonic and a smoke watching our star brethren prepare the reverse engineer coordinates.
178 Matthew J. O'Connor? Wait, you seem familiar... Is that you Charles?

Posted by: Matthew J. O'Connor at July 20, 2010 07:41 PM (8EEyy)

209 True but not true but accurate?

Posted by: Rocks at July 20, 2010 07:41 PM (UYace)

210 Very surprised to watch beck's defense of Sharrod tonight. He was all over her today on his radio show.

Posted by: Cooter at July 20, 2010 07:41 PM (qcBWB)

211 I don't give a damn if I am out on a limb . . . there has to be truth and integrity in journalism period . . . this is fragmented bull shit.
Matthew J. O'Connor
Posted by: Matthew J. O'Connor at July 20, 2010 07:30 PM (8EEyy)
That depends on what your mission is. Brietbart has stated several times his mission is to bring down the liars in the MFM. It's what he does.
That being said he sounded like he was done with this story on CNN. He put a video up and you can take what you will from it. I took from the video that shirley was a racist. She sent a farmer to a white lawyer, one of his own to help him because she didn't want to. Later she claims the lawyer didn't help the couple so she did.

Posted by: robtr at July 20, 2010 07:41 PM (fwSHf)

212 Methinks that Ms. Sherrod stiffed more than one white farmer and the MFM found one she helped. Just saying.

Posted by: Seriously at July 20, 2010 07:42 PM (oUO5r)

213 193 Yikes. Here comes the "we must pick our battles" meme.
Posted by: Soap MacTavish at July 20, 2010 07:37 PM (554T5)
YES! If we do not hold our fire, we will have no powder and shot left for when our bones are bleaching in the desert sun, for that is our real fight.
Oh no, wait...

Posted by: Jim in San Diego at July 20, 2010 07:42 PM (oIp16)

214 Look under the rock, Ace....

Look under the Plymouth rock, Ace....

FIFY

Posted by: Dr Spank at July 20, 2010 07:42 PM (xO+6C)

215 Somethong stinks in Denmark.
its gotta be sheryl crow's thong. she only uses 2 sheets.

Posted by: bebe's boobs destroy at July 20, 2010 07:42 PM (cniXs)

216 jimmuy johnson is right!

Posted by: sifty at July 20, 2010 07:43 PM (BimL7)

217 197 The thing is, this tape (and the resulting kerfluffle) expose many things:
Racism in both the NAACP and in government offices to be sure. But it also exposes something else: by throwing Sherrod under the bus, does the NAACP really do what it stands for? Is it really about advancement of colored people...or is it about something else entirely. Clearly, it does not have a problem with throwing colored people under the bus when it is convenient -- something for colored people to ponder as well as white people in this story, no?

Posted by: unknown jane at July 20, 2010 07:43 PM (5/yRG)

218 Methinks that Ms. Sherrod stiffed more than one white farmer and the MFM found one she helped. Just saying.
Posted by: Seriously at July 20, 2010 07:42 PM (oUO5r)
It's possible she stiffed one white farmer and the MFM found one of several she helped.
But by her own admission, she stiffed at least one white farmer.

Posted by: stuiec at July 20, 2010 07:44 PM (7AOgy)

219 'Spooner' and his wife looked to me like solid Democrat material when I saw the video on Can't Believe Shit (CBS).

He spoke (and sounded) just like Jimmah, IMHO.....

Posted by: TXMarko at July 20, 2010 07:44 PM (qcNAp)

220 Matthew J. O'Connor

I couldn't help but notice the creases in your pantaloons. Have you been invited to the regatta at David Frum's?

Posted by: T. Coddington Van Voorhees VII at July 20, 2010 07:44 PM (imD7p)

221 Meh, fuck Sherrod. Gummint official admits to showing some race-based favoritism. So long, farewell, auf wiedersehen, good-bye, and no pension foryou, either.
Doens't much matter if the farmer was happy with her service or not. It is her duty to serve the entire public to the best of her ability. If she chooses not to, she can work elsewhere.

Posted by: Fa Cube Itches at July 20, 2010 07:45 PM (ySNz/)

222 Besides, by firing her so quickly -- isn't that in and of itself that yes, institutionalized racism is alive and well. Why else would it have been done so hastily? If she wasn't racist...then why not defend her?

Posted by: unknown jane at July 20, 2010 07:45 PM (5/yRG)

223 It's not Sherrod saying she was taken out of context that is giving her "credibility" It's the White farmer that mysteriously appeared right on cue. Curious...

Posted by: Donna at July 20, 2010 07:46 PM (A77nn)

224 Have you been invited to the regatta
at David Frum's?
Cut it out, Cod. Next thing you know, you'll be asking him to join us at the polo grounds or for 18 at Augusta.

Posted by: David Frum at July 20, 2010 07:47 PM (554T5)

225 Since I listened to Beck I've come to believe she was thrown under the bus. I just hope Breitbart has an explanation, or further tape, or something. (Late to the party, haven't read the comments.)

Posted by: Jane D'oh at July 20, 2010 07:47 PM (UOM48)

226 Remember, the Journolist scandal has some fingerprints from Breitbart.

The concern trolling we're seeing is probably largely an effort to undermine his week of exposes on liberal dishonesty.

But fact is, nothing Breitbart said was refuted, and several Sherrod claims contradict one another. The NAACP has pulled their statement. They are rallying together to attempt to lie to you.

At least demand proof of their allegations. The NAACP actually has the full video. The left shouldn't speculate about a video they could just show us.

Posted by: Legendary Film Star Rick Moranis at July 20, 2010 07:47 PM (dUOK+)

227 Oh you mean aliberalmay have beentaken out of context and distorted in the media. Realy? Um...too fucking bad. Suffer.

Makaka.

Posted by: See How That Feels Lefties at July 20, 2010 07:48 PM (9Blbi)

228 Paul Begala needs to be sodomized by the barbed cock of SATAN.

Posted by: Jim in San Diego at July 20, 2010 07:49 PM (oIp16)

229 "Since I listened to Beck I've come to believe she
was thrown under the bus. I just hope Breitbart has an explanation, or
further tape, or something. (Late to the party, haven't read the
comments.)


Posted by: Jane D'oh at July 20, 2010 07:47 PM (UOM4"
Did Breitbart throw her under the bus? He exposed tolerance of racism. He distorted nothing. He cut nothing. The NAACP has the rest of the speech on tape... that isn't an asspull, that's the truth.

Breitbart's claims don't seem to require any explanation. What are you asking him to explain? She was a racist. The question is if she's sorry enough to deserve to keep her job? That wasn't up to Breitbart anyway, but the answer is of course she isn't sorry enough.

Posted by: Legendary Film Star Rick Moranis at July 20, 2010 07:49 PM (dUOK+)

230 We must save our powder for an unedited tape live feed personal confession of Barak Obama admitting and swearing to a laundry list of serious crimes in broad daylight on Main Street USA at Disneyland with a hand on a bible while turking an underage nun.

Only then can we be suspicious of the young fellow's or his cultists' possible motives.

Posted by: sifty at July 20, 2010 07:49 PM (BimL7)

231 Another odd thing is that the NAACP says it will put the whole tape up later. Unless you have dial up you can put a video up in a few minutes.
If sherrod is telling the truth though and she says that 25 years ago I had racist thoughts but I changed on the full tape then Tom Vilsack and Obama have some problems.

Posted by: robtr at July 20, 2010 07:50 PM (fwSHf)

232 If Sherrod was so innocent, why did she resign? If this was so far in the past and had nothing to do with her current job, then how could her employer fire her with cause? Or could it be that she has a pattern of behavior that carries on to this day.

Call me a jaded asshole, but I don't find the "testimony" of an 82 year old woman, who was not the principal actor in this passion play (her husband was, per Sherrod's story), about a 24 year old event in which she was apparently a secondary player proof of anything.

Sherrod admitted she provided the guy less help than she would have provided him were he black. So what if the wife (and possibly husband -- is he dead by the way?) was too naive to realize it.

People don't just get fired under these circumstances without there being a reason. And, let's face it, black women don't get fired summarily in this country by male (and is he white, btw?) bosses without some great HR documentation to prevent them from suing. She knew it was a two-decades-old incident, but she allows herself to be forced out with prejudice?

Not. buying. it.

Posted by: Y-not at July 20, 2010 07:50 PM (O627A)

233 Purely hypothetical question, but how much would you ask for as a white farmer to make this go away for Obama inc. A million? Two? Not that they would lie, purely hypothetically speaking of course....

Posted by: dagny at July 20, 2010 07:50 PM (iApEp)

234 (Late to the party, haven't read the comments.)
Ruh, roh.

Posted by: Scooby Doo at July 20, 2010 07:50 PM (554T5)

235 And the left drives the goddamn narrative yet once a-fucking-gain.
I know, let's let them pick our candidates next. Oh wait...

Posted by: Burn the Witch at July 20, 2010 07:50 PM (fLHQe)

236
she deserves her job back???

Did she deserve her job in the first place?

Posted by: Steele McBoner, the head of the GOP at July 20, 2010 07:50 PM (AvO0L)

237 Nothing pointed out changes the fact that she is a racist.

Posted by: Old grizzled gym coach at July 20, 2010 07:50 PM (QBQcg)

238 OT - Mark Levin mentioned today that 5 of the 100 Senators are Unelected Democrat Party place-holders.

This is not counting turncoat Specter.

5%. Unelected.

And the Unemployment extension passed the Senate today by ....

wait for it...... ONE Vote.

"The vote came moments after Carte Goodiwn was sworn in as a successor to
West Virginia Democrat Robert Byrd, who died last month at the age of
92. Goodwin was the crucial 60th senator to defeat a Republican
filibuster that has led to a lapse in benefits for 2.5 million people."

Posted by: TXMarko at July 20, 2010 07:51 PM (qcNAp)

239 Did Breitbart throw her under the bus? He exposed tolerance of racism. He distorted nothing. He cut nothing. The NAACP has the rest of the speech on tape... that isn't an asspull, that's the truth.
Where is the rest of the tape that exonerates her? Hmmmmmmmmmmmmm?

Posted by: dagny at July 20, 2010 07:52 PM (iApEp)

240 Nothing pointed out changes the fact that she is a racist.

Or that, you know, the NAACP cheered for anti-white racism.

Posted by: Ian S. at July 20, 2010 07:52 PM (imD7p)

241 @26: " I caught five seconds of CNN and Wolf Blitzer giving the story 'tease' for their upcoming report on this emphasizing that this happened 'nearly a quarter of a century ago'. Assholes."
No, no. That's a good thing. They are saying that the statute of limitations on racist actions is less than 25 years. Slavery? More than 25 years ago; no longer relevant. Segregation? More than 25 years ago; no longer relevant. Bull Connor? Same. MLK Assassination? See above.

Posted by: Fa Cube Itches at July 20, 2010 07:52 PM (ySNz/)

242 Where is the rest of the tape that exonerates her? Hmmmmmmmmmmmmm?
Posted by: dagny at July 20, 2010 07:52 PM (iApEp)
The audio quality was "poor". It is being redubbed. That takes time.

Posted by: Jim in San Diego at July 20, 2010 07:53 PM (oIp16)

243 *ahem, ahem...is this thing on?*

How is everyone tonight? Are your sheets well-starched? Jim-Bob, it looks like you were eatin' barbecue again, lookin' at that stain!

Anyways, hereabouts twenty-four years ago, I was in charge of giving out some federal loans to folks who were trying to save their farms. One day, this big guy steps into my office and he's black so I'm not really sure how to handle this whole thing, you know? So he sits down and he's talking a LOT about saving his farm and what they do and whatnot...you know the kind, trying to act all superior to me. *haha* I was really unsure as what to do because hell, I'm white and well...he's not of the same persuasion as I am. So, I didn't do all that I could have. I did the minimum job that I could do and I sent him to one of his own kind. You know. A black lawyer. (crowd laughs and applauds)



Sure. Breitbart was in the wrong. Why don't we give into that white guilt a little bit more. Call it for what it is. THE NAACP IS SUPPORTING RACISM. THAT IS THE ENTIRE FUCKING POINT, REGARDLESS OF IF THERE IS MORE TAPE OR NOT.

God, you squishes make me ill.

Posted by: Imperial Dragon at July 20, 2010 07:53 PM (keC7U)

244 Shirley Sherrod's husband was a member of the SNCC -

Shirley Sherrod Returns from Africa

RDLN graduate and board member returned in early November from Ghana where
she traveled with a group of Historically Black College representatives to
look at the potential role of biotechnology in agriculture there. On October
28, she helped lead a celebration of the work of her husband Charles Sherrod
in Albany, Georgia, where he had been a SNCC leader in the sixties. Five hundred
people attended the celebration, where the work of "foot soldiers"
in the area was also honored. Shirley is director of the Georgia Field Office
of the Federation of Southern Cooperatives in Albany, Georgia. SNCC can no longer be considered a civil rights group. It has become a
racist organization with black supremacy ideals and an expressed hatred
for whites. It employs violent and militant measures which may be
defined as extreme when compared with those of more moderate groups (DoD, 1967)

Posted by: Druid at July 20, 2010 07:53 PM (70pXm)

245 I guess what I'm saying is that I bet that there have been complaints about Sherrod at her current gig that run along these lines. I bet they are in her HR file. When this story broke, it provided her bosses with the top cover they needed to pull the trigger without opening up the can of worms about her behavior under their management.

Posted by: Y-not at July 20, 2010 07:54 PM (O627A)

246 The vid at NAACP

http://tinyurl.com/2fk4zf8

Posted by: jmflynny at July 20, 2010 07:55 PM (NHK5s)

247 The thread topic could say:

After Eric Holder Assures Her Ass Will Be Covered, Shirley Sherrod Gets Cocky

Posted by: sifty at July 20, 2010 07:55 PM (BimL7)

248 So a Federal official bragging about using her office for racist purposes is not doing anything wrong?
Are you fucking nuts?

Posted by: TexasJew at July 20, 2010 07:55 PM (bNngr)

249 231 Another odd thing is that the NAACP says it will put the whole tape up later. Unless you have dial up you can put a video up in a few minutes. ________________
This was way back in, you know, March or something. We need to find someone who can scan Super8 film and make it into a video. Might take a few weeks.

Posted by: NAACP at July 20, 2010 07:55 PM (3K4hn)

250 You think the NAACP would have checked with the Georgia NAACP regarding this clip before they threw Sherrod under the bus. It tells me they believed it to be true because that is how they always operate. If they come up with a complete recording I hope someone checks it for authenticity.

Posted by: Donna at July 20, 2010 07:55 PM (A77nn)

251 @48: "Sorry, NAACP, but you've still got a whole audience full of racists at your event. What are you going to do about that?"
Laugh at your cracka ass, and get the CBC to get us and ours some more goodies on your dime.

Posted by: The NAACP at July 20, 2010 07:56 PM (ySNz/)

252
hey, you know what?

We owe Bob Etheridge an apology, too. It's obvious now that he was just scared and trying to defend himself.


Posted by: Steele McBoner, the head of the GOP at July 20, 2010 07:56 PM (AvO0L)

253 245 Except it wasn't the USDA, it was the White House. Read Emanuel.

Posted by: dagny at July 20, 2010 07:56 PM (iApEp)

254 Imperial Dragooooon
squishies like you arethe reason for Obama

Posted by: meleager at July 20, 2010 07:56 PM (Y2/mt)

255 More from Riehl: Oh gee, th handwringers on th Right who don't no how 2 fight 2 win can now demonstrate their moral superiority ovr Sherrod. #usefulidiots
Also, full video here: http://bit.ly/9XMlK0

Posted by: Countrysquire at July 20, 2010 07:56 PM (VegQp)

256 246 The vid at NAACPhttp://tinyurl.com/2fk4zf8
Posted by: jmflynny at July 20, 2010 07:55 PM (NHK5s)
That's a real diverse audience they have there.

Posted by: Jim in San Diego at July 20, 2010 07:57 PM (oIp16)

257 Unless you have dial up you can put a video up in a few minutes.

In South Africa, a homing pigeon just won a data transfer race with the country's internet. True story.

Posted by: progressoverpeace at July 20, 2010 07:57 PM (Qp4DT)

258 This still doesn't make up for that birthday card from space with the black 'hos.

Posted by: dagny at July 20, 2010 07:57 PM (iApEp)

259 I apologize to Elena Kagan for thinking she was bad for the Supreme Court.

Posted by: sifty at July 20, 2010 07:57 PM (BimL7)

260 I could give her a few pointers for addressing her grievances.

Posted by: Dr. Amy FUCKING Bishop at July 20, 2010 07:58 PM (fLHQe)

261 Except it wasn't the USDA, it was the White House.

Posted by: dagny at July 20, 2010 07:56 PM (iApEp)
At the side of the road!

Posted by: progressoverpeace at July 20, 2010 07:58 PM (Qp4DT)

262 Breitbart on CNN: http://is.gd/dA0VF

Posted by: Countrysquire at July 20, 2010 07:58 PM (VegQp)

263 It's all an enigma wrapped inside of a turd sandwich. ANYTHING that has a D in it is corrupted. I hope the bus backs up and runs over her again. She deserves it for hanging out with that crew. sheesh

Posted by: torabora at July 20, 2010 07:58 PM (pXQkX)

264 Fuck all of you and your cries of "squishie"!

While the right needs to learn to fight harder, it DOES NOT need to learn to fight dirty.

Stick to your fucking guns guys. Don't let any bit of doubt sneak in there.

Posted by: jmflynny at July 20, 2010 07:59 PM (NHK5s)

265 STOP APOLIGIZING.
Beck only gave her the benefit of the doubt because the White House was trying to make him the bad guy. He flipped it.

Posted by: dagny at July 20, 2010 07:59 PM (iApEp)

266 Ok, let's try the old reverse-o-scope

We have a tea party meeting where a Caucasian woman is talking about how she discriminated against a black man due to his race. She goes on about how she made sure to discriminate in such a fashion it would be hard for her to be charged with a crime.

Looking at the audience, they approve.

Later, after this goes public, the woman says, oh no, I changed, some of my best friends are black! And look I helped this black man after he stopped being so uppity!

Is the story then the acceptance of the group of racism, or the claim that it is unfair to judge them on their racism based on what is essentially a flimsy, nuh-uh!

Posted by: 18-1 at July 20, 2010 07:59 PM (bgcml)

267 117 The whole department needs to be shut down whether they are giving out money to black or white farmers. It is such a waste of money.
Posted by: ryukyu at July 20, 2010 07:12 PM (MOHSR)

Only one moron here keeps his eye on the ball. This is the real issue. DoAg and DoEd and DoE must go. Racism/Corporatism/Cronyism AffAction are soooo 2007. Let's go , people. We have a civilization to save.

Posted by: dr kill at July 20, 2010 07:59 PM (w9bVp)

268 George W. Bush's Vietnam record was way over 24 years old at the time. Didn't mean a damn thing to the Left.

Posted by: Stealer's Wheel at July 20, 2010 08:00 PM (MMC8r)

269 In South Africa, a homing pigeon just won a data transfer race with the
country's internet. True story.

Wait until that's the only Internet you racist crakkas have. Try to get 600 comments on your "ONT" then. Meanwhile I'll have fast porn and wagyu beef.

Posted by: Barry the "O" at July 20, 2010 08:00 PM (imD7p)

270
It's not Sherrod saying she was taken out of context that is giving her
"credibility" It's the White farmer that mysteriously appeared right on
cue. Curious...

Posted by: Donna
at July 20, 2010 07:46 PM (A77nn)




I'm a bit suspicious of this too. The story was what? 16 maybe 18 hours old and the media found out who the Spooner's are and had them make a statement even though their names were never mentioned once in the video ? Sure, Sherrod could have given the couples name to the media herself, but why is anyone taking her word that this is the white farmers she was talking about? I'm sure she was in charge of saving more than one white farm, so why aren't more folks coming out of the woodwork to defend her? This seems like orchestrated damage control to me.

I'll give Breitbart the benefit of the doubt before I give it to the NAACP and the MFM anytime.

Posted by: Blazer at July 20, 2010 08:00 PM (t72+4)

271 Oh Yeah....you know that there are other tapes that are gonna show Sherrod as a huge Racist, and they are gonna have the NAACP support.
Can't wait till that all comes out!
Hey anyone remember when Clinton told whoever, that Obama, under normal circumstances should be the one serving them the coffee and donuts?
All this stuff is getting finger lickin good!

Posted by: Jimi at July 20, 2010 08:00 PM (fqxV7)

272 /sock

Posted by: nickless at July 20, 2010 08:00 PM (MMC8r)

273 "This shit has got to stop, sooner or later someone is going to get hurt."

Red October!

Who said it? Sen from ??

Buller?

Posted by: Kemp at July 20, 2010 08:00 PM (2+9Yx)

274 I see why it took so long. The tape the NAACP put up was edited at 21.02. Hopefull Brietbart has a copy that hasn't been edited.

Posted by: robtr at July 20, 2010 08:01 PM (fwSHf)

275 Shirley Sherrod claims her father was murdered by a white man and that even with three witnesses her father's murderer was allowed to go free.
Can anyone verify that claim or get some specifics on that case?

Posted by: Jim in San Diego at July 20, 2010 08:02 PM (oIp16)

276 193
Yikes. Here comes the "we must pick our battles" meme.


Posted by: Soap MacTavish at July 20, 2010 07:37 PM (554T5)
"Is this really the hill you want to die on?"Let me tell ya something. We ain't on a hill. We ain't got no hills left. We ain't even on a plain. We're on a beach.And our feet are wet.What a wonderful strategy we on the right have.
Anytime the front line advances, the rear fires a volley into their
ranks. Gotta be fair and all, don'tcha know?


Posted by: jimmuy at July 20, 2010 07:34 PM (EvB76)
We definitely need to be honest, but yeah, "fair" is kind of off the table. And it would be nice to take less fire from allies than opponents, for once.

Posted by: Merovign, Still Pretty Sick Of It at July 20, 2010 08:02 PM (bxiXv)

277 I'm confused about the story line.
A racist talks about being racist at the Naacp and is cheered. Later she says that she went ahead and helped the white person (maybe), a white dem who may or may not be the victim is found to agree.The Naacp and the Obama admin dumps on her because it hurts their talking point. The racist in question goes public with how she was treated by the White House instead of lying down. Beck says there should have been more investigation before throwing her completely under the bus. People take that to mean that the right was wrong and start sniveling.
Do I have it?

Posted by: dagny at July 20, 2010 08:04 PM (iApEp)

278 43 fricking minutes, and the music is either played or it was fricking added....

essentially at best she is a closeted borderline racist who was crowing about her withholding federal services from the wrong people until she had an epiphany....

43 minutes and we don't get to see olivia's spiel.....
her dad getting killed "by a white man" is tragic....she says the white man who killed her dad had three witnesses but the grand jury refused to indict......
no statue of limitations on murder is she saying that there was no way under Carter, Reagan, Bush, Clinton, or Bush to get their help in prosecuting?
She's 62 years old, and her mind is obviously wandering a bit.
Basically it is the typical NAACP "we are still being lynched" jobbie pep talk.....

anyone else notice the irony of her bitching about "proving intent" when she admitted that as an NGO operative she was intentionally withholding her full measure(which is a civil rights issue BTW)?
Gator Johnson evidently is worse than himmler....I dunno it is the usual BS, the tape does not particularly exonerate her.......and the audience UNLESS THEY ALREADY KNEW HER STORY was absolutely cheering racism.

Posted by: sven10077 at July 20, 2010 08:05 PM (kq1lG)

279 I really don't give a shit about this. My donkey is missing!

She is half my net worth, and she had a pretty mouth.

http://tinyurl.com/2voxstw

Posted by: Alvin, the candidate, not the chipmunk at July 20, 2010 08:05 PM (2+9Yx)

280 oh and of particular note is her admonition to "get more of us at the USDA cause of 129 there is only 20 of us".....

let a white GS-12 or higher give that SAME pep talk to a white audience and tell me the NAACP would be helping.

Posted by: sven10077 at July 20, 2010 08:07 PM (kq1lG)

281 Can anyone verify that claim or get some specifics on that case?
Posted by: Jim in San Diego at July 20, 2010 08:02 PM (oIp16) .........
well CNN said this after noon it was so and that it was the KKK that did it. so there you go. what else do you need?

Posted by: Racefan at July 20, 2010 08:08 PM (MSpaq)

282 279...

We needed that.

Posted by: jmflynny at July 20, 2010 08:08 PM (NHK5s)

283 I started reading and was a little shocked at how you guys so easily are willing to throw Andrew Breitbart under the bus? The very thing, I might point out, you vociferously accuse the dems of doing and sometimes republicans doing to each other. Has Breitbart given any kind of explanation cause I'm going to withhold judgment until we hear all sides of the story.

In all honesty, the thing that has haunted me all day since I heard it on beck's radio show was the fact that she lost her job. I thought that was terrible, convicted and tried and essentially asked to resign and why, "cause she was going to end up on Beck's tv show that night????"

It is entirely unnerving to hear that a person is driving on the interstate and getting not one, not two but three phone calls allegedly from the WH or representatives thereof? And being told to pull over and resign? Really? Really? this is America, she is entitled to defend herself. And this morning Beck said this isn't the first time this scenario has played out. I felt the same horror I felt when the CEO of GM was "fired". It makes you uncomfortable.

Posted by: curious at July 20, 2010 08:09 PM (p302b)

284 Jimmuy is the onlyone here dropping some science! I come over here all the time, and beg you guys come over to Angry Bear, and Economist View and do some battle with these leftist scum in this country, and nobody is up for the challenge.
My experience...after argueing with these leftist idiots everyday....is if we don't go for the throat at some point here, they are gonna win by default.
Lie, cheat, steal....it don't matter anymore...the main point is somebody start drawing some blood.

Posted by: Jimi at July 20, 2010 08:09 PM (fqxV7)

285 I think I'd almost rather have a Democrat Army in front of me than a Republican Army behind me.

/with apologies to George S. Patton

Posted by: sifty at July 20, 2010 08:10 PM (BimL7)

286 Shirley Sherrod's claims that a 24 year old story is redeemed by the victims themselves doesn't wash with the taunting attitude she displayed telling NAACP members 4 months ago that she dismissed a"white" person to "their own kind".
Second... Shirley Sherrod is party to a suspect government billion dollarlegal "settlement" payout to 80,000 African-American "farmers" of whom only 26,000 were even participants in farming. How is that not a conflict of interest and a bigger story?

Posted by: DANEgerus at July 20, 2010 08:10 PM (pi0A7)

287 The best fable in her 45 minute "damn whitey" remix is "take care of each other like when we were slaves, and don't sell your farms to white men"(paraphrased but absolutely her point at APPOX 32:30
this "exonerates" her like "can't we all just get along" exonerated Rodney king

Posted by: sven10077 at July 20, 2010 08:10 PM (kq1lG)

288 lol
whos a troll and whos a plant -sometimes our morons are just too suave. with you jmflynny but Iwont disparage fighting to win regardless. there is no second chance.

Posted by: meleager at July 20, 2010 08:11 PM (Y2/mt)

289 The White House was attempting to make Beck the bad guy and he wouldn't do it.
Is that clear?
That's all there is to this squish.

Posted by: dagny at July 20, 2010 08:11 PM (iApEp)

290 I have never seen so many squishes assembled in one place. I don't want to be in a political foxhole with many of you folks.

Posted by: FutureMarxist at July 20, 2010 08:11 PM (+sBB4)

291 @160: "THIS is why it's important for the right to VERIFY information. Info thrown out half-assed HARMS credibility if things don't add up. PATIENCE wins the game."
Yeah! That's why socialism is in retreat everywhere in the Western world, why bullshit Gaia-worshipping enviroscams are a thing of the past, etc.
First side to get rounds on target wins. He who hesitates is lost.

Posted by: The NAACP at July 20, 2010 08:12 PM (ySNz/)

292 Sock...

Posted by: Fa Cube Itches at July 20, 2010 08:12 PM (ySNz/)

293 I am trying to imagine myself standing in front of a professional association of my peers and telling them a story from 24 years ago that I know makes me look like a bigoted ass.

I can't picture myself doing that.

Posted by: Gregory of Yardale at July 20, 2010 08:13 PM (YPivX)

294 Isn't it fun to have some trolls to torment? You have be gentle with these though and not break them or I won't get you anymore new ones.

Posted by: Ohio Dan at July 20, 2010 08:14 PM (rurh0)

295 291 NAACP,
+1

Posted by: sven10077 at July 20, 2010 08:14 PM (kq1lG)

296 Still proudly posting "First Field Director" of SNCC on one's bio is not quite up there with someone who has renounced past brushes with racism.

Posted by: Druid at July 20, 2010 08:14 PM (70pXm)

297 I had less problem with the woman comment as she walked it towards a personal revelation for herself than I did at the laughterfrom the audience when she was describing her earlier personal short comings.

Posted by: Ohio Dan at July 20, 2010 08:16 PM (rurh0)

298 Doods!
Who really gives a rat'sass what Glenn Beck has to say on any particular topic. When in hell did that crazy man become the litmus test as to what is right and just?
This woman made evil, racist statements and I'm to have sympathy and say 'awww, looks like we jumped the gun on that one'? No effing way. Sure there may be more to the story we're not seeing. And that would be that we're not seeing (or hearing) other racist crap she's muttered to a room full of other racist bigots.
I guess I need a break from this. Excuse me while I go consort with 'my kind' .

Posted by: laceyunderalls at July 20, 2010 08:17 PM (3Ju9j)

299 #291 First side to get rounds on target wins. He who hesitates is lost.

Yup. Especially in this continual 24-hour news cycle.

Posted by: Kratos (Ghost of Sparta) at July 20, 2010 08:17 PM (c0A3e)

300 Usually with breitbart, I've noticed their are layers of the onion to be slowly peeled away, like the wrong way to peel off a bandaid, slowly...
So I'm just going to sit back and watch at this point.
If he truly is a black racist, using her influence to that end, then she may deserve to have been forced to resign. But, let's see how this plays out.

Posted by: curious at July 20, 2010 08:17 PM (p302b)

301 Can I ask something here? Shirley Sherrod is married to Charles Sherrod, one of the co-founders of the Student Nonviolent Coordinating Committee. At its founding and in its first few years, the SNCC was at the center of civil rights activism in the South. The early activities of the SNCC included sit-ins at segregated lunch counters and Freedom Rides of racially-integrated groups on segregated buses and trains (for which they received jail time - and worse). The SNCC also helped organize Dr. King's 1963 March on Washington. Shirley married Charles in the early 1960s, so she was around for the SNCC days.
How did Shirley Sherrod come out of that background in such a state that in 1986, twenty years later, she's thinking about a white farmer in terms like "his own kind"? Really? Twenty-five years after her husband organizes the Freedom Rides and marches with Dr. King in Washington, and it's only after she encounters this white farmer going bankrupt that she opens her eyes to racial equality and equal treatment?

Posted by: stuiec at July 20, 2010 08:18 PM (7AOgy)

302 I hope you peoples understand that this racism shit is nonsense.

I got elected because I be the best candidate, the fact I be Black had NOTHING to do with it.

Really!

The senate needs unemployed peoples in it. Besides when I get elected I won't be unemployed.

I'll get $174,000, good God almighty! Praise the Lord!

Posted by: Alvin, the candidate, not the chipmunk at July 20, 2010 08:19 PM (2+9Yx)

303 Posted by: jmflynny at July 20, 2010 07:59 PM (NHK5s)

Yeah all of us on the right should play by Marquess of Queensbury rules while the left commits crimes, extortion, lies, indoctrination of the youth, violence, terrorism and so on. Wouldn't want to get our hands dirty while they destroy the nation. That way we can all suffer through "The Road" with the knowledge that we were above all that dirty pool. Do you sign your checks pussy or vagina?

Posted by: ChicagoJedi at July 20, 2010 08:19 PM (WZFkG)

304 But, let's see how this plays out

I'm sure it will be to the Zero's benefit

Posted by: meleager at July 20, 2010 08:20 PM (Y2/mt)

305 Shirley Sherrod equated resistance to Obamacare as racism and that racism was invented by the rich power structure.
OK, she is a racist Marxist.
AWESOME!

Posted by: Jim in San Diego at July 20, 2010 08:20 PM (oIp16)

306 If Breitbart intentionally edited the tape he was wrong. If he received it that way he should never have posted it without checking the entire tape first.

But the real blame here lies with the NAACP and the Obama administration. Breitbart didn't fire anyone, they did. They panicked and didn't even let the woman explain her side before tossing her out.

If what is emerging is the truth, that despite her initial bad impulses she came around and actually helped the family and has changed her ways then she should get her job back.

Posted by: Tiger Woods at July 20, 2010 08:20 PM (VW9/y)

307 Anyone watching O'Reilly? He's going off on the MFM ignoring the ACORN, Black Panthers, Van Jones and this story. Freak of nature Alan Colmes and Kirsten Powers said the MFM did the right thing because they aren't real stories. Just character assassinations.

Posted by: TheQuietMan at July 20, 2010 08:21 PM (yB8dV)

308 Her revelation was that it wasn't about 'white black' it was about 'rich and poor'.....she says as she pockets her multi-million dollar settlement.

Posted by: Tami at July 20, 2010 08:21 PM (VuLos)

309 Kirsten Powers can't stop digging her own grave on O'Reilly. Not just stuck on stupid, multiplying stupid and then getting stuck on it.
The story here is not that the MFM is not covering viable stories, it's that Kirsten Powers even one iota of a cracka of credibility for anything that comes out of her mouth.

Posted by: Hussein the Plumber at July 20, 2010 08:21 PM (r1h5M)

310 This is a story of 4lbs worth ofnuts in a 2lb bag.

Posted by: Matthew J. O'Connor at July 20, 2010 08:22 PM (8EEyy)

311 >>>Yeah all of us on the right should play by Marquess of Queensbury rules while the left commits crimes, extortion, lies, indoctrination of the youth, violence, terrorism and so on. Wouldn't want to get our hands dirty while they destroy the nation. That way we can all suffer through "The Road" with the knowledge that we were above all that dirty pool. Do you sign your checks pussy or vagina?

Ugggh.

Dial down the anger to the point where you don't sound stupid please.

Posted by: ace at July 20, 2010 08:22 PM (KUUXH)

312 It is entirely unnerving to hear that a person is driving on the interstate and getting not one, not two but three phone calls allegedly from the WH or representatives thereof? And being told to pull over and resign? Really? Really? this is America, she is entitled to defend herself. And this morning Beck said this isn't the first time this scenario has played out. I felt the same horror I felt when the CEO of GM was "fired". It makes you uncomfortable.
Posted by: curious at July 20, 2010 08:09 PM (p302b)
In Obama's America, NOBODY is entitled to due process.
Apparently the only place where people are treated equally without regard to race, creed, color, national origin, gender or sexual orientation is under his bus.

Posted by: stuiec at July 20, 2010 08:22 PM (7AOgy)

313 So I'm just going to sit back and watch at this point.
Posted by: curious at July 20, 2010 08:17 PM (p302b)
I hope you're feeling patient, it's been a giant, confusing clusterfuck all day long.

Posted by: ErikW at July 20, 2010 08:22 PM (E1/9G)

314 If she got her job back, every farmer who dealt with her or her employees, and who felt that they did not get enough taxpayer money from the USDA would sue. The USDA would go broke defending itself.

Posted by: Adriane at July 20, 2010 08:23 PM (+NfQM)

315 Who really gives a rat'sass what Glenn Beck has
to say on any particular topic. When in hell did that crazy man become
the litmus test as to what is right and just?
Posted by: laceyunderalls at July 20, 2010 08:17 PM (3Ju9j)
Lacey, Beck did just fine. All he said was that there was something strange going on since Sherrod got fired, on orders from the White House, so quickly over a segment of video and a fear that Beck was going to start covering the issue. He's right. It's totally a separate issue from why Breitbart showed the tape.
The funny part is that the only one who called for Sherrod's resignation, I think, was O'Reilly, and no one else has mentioned his name in this. LOL.

Posted by: progressoverpeace at July 20, 2010 08:23 PM (Qp4DT)

316 If Breitbart intentionally edited the tape he was wrong.

The.Tape.Was.Not.Edited.


I give up. The handwringing is too much for me.

Posted by: Scooby Doo at July 20, 2010 08:23 PM (554T5)

317 Unfortunately, it isn't Sherrod that needs to be fired and, also unfortunately, only a small fraction of those who deserve and should be fired, will be in November.

Posted by: Hussein the Plumber at July 20, 2010 08:23 PM (r1h5M)

318 Sherrod HAD to go.

I imagine already there are class action lawsuits against the non-profit she worked at, and doubtless against the USDA Georgia Directorate.

By White farmers who lost money, or their farm.

Why?

Direct statement against interest, by Sherrod, on tape, that she did less than she should have, based on skin color. That's an actionable cause, by anyone who is White, and has a harm to report (i.e. lost their farm, lost money, feels the USDA or non-profit did less than they should).

Do you think Vilsack and Obama and Holder want to sit around, defending policy of helping White farmers (the majority of farmers) less than Black ones? Imagine the legal circus.

There will still be suits. But Vilsack HAD to act this way.

And no, I don't cut Sherrod any slack, any more than Don Imus got cut slack, or Trent Lott, for saying racist things. If they got fired, she deserves to be fired, and not have a job for some considerable time.

Unless you subscribe to the notion "Its OK I'm Black."

Posted by: whiskey at July 20, 2010 08:23 PM (t3UKO)

319
To me this was always about how she said "he was telling me he was superior to me" and "send him to his own kind" and how the racist idiots in the audience gladly shook their heads and muttered in approval. The speech and the reaction are the story, not when the incident happened.

Posted by: Hedgehog at July 20, 2010 08:24 PM (oQIfB)

320 Beck had nothing to do with this until Obama used his name as a threat. He didn't take the bait. He wasn't going to jump on and discredit himself until he had the background. Then, because he said, hold on don't use me to threaten people when I don't have the facts, ace, kruathammer, et al decide that she didn't deserve to be made an example of? I don't think it's Beck's fault (or that he's nuts) that in an effort not to be made a scape goat a bunch of people read his reluctance wrong and jumped on the "let's be faaaaiiiirrrrr" bandwagon.

Posted by: dagny at July 20, 2010 08:24 PM (HuoII)

321 Damn sock

Posted by: JackStraw at July 20, 2010 08:24 PM (VW9/y)

322 #301 How did Shirley Sherrod come out of that background in such a state that
in 1986, twenty years later, she's thinking about a white farmer in
terms like "his own kind"?

The supposed need for revenge. And that's the sad truth about race relations in this country today. Way too many minorities, especially young blacks, have been trained to hate whitey by race-hustlers such as the Jessie Jackson. Anything bad that happens to a certain "kind" is justified and even encouraged.

Posted by: Kratos (Ghost of Sparta) at July 20, 2010 08:24 PM (c0A3e)

323 254

WTF are you talking about? I voted for McCain. I'm a hardcore conservative. Is it ok that the NAACP celebrated this woman's racism, while if the shoe was on the other foot, they'd be crying for the Imperial Dragon's head? Helllooooooo?

Posted by: Imperial Dragon at July 20, 2010 08:25 PM (keC7U)

324 @264: "While the right needs to learn to fight harder, it DOES NOT need to learn to fight dirty."
That is one of the many epitaphs that will end up on the Right's political tombstone.
Hey, we'll have lost our country and condemned our children into socialist bondage, but fuck it, we were proper.
The fight to save America has to be nasty and brutish - there's nowhere else left to retreat.

Posted by: Fa Cube Itches at July 20, 2010 08:25 PM (ySNz/)

325 Fuck all you concern trolls falling all over yourselves to blackball Breitbart. Burn in hell. But first, you will blow me.

Posted by: Kerry at July 20, 2010 08:25 PM (Z0EF7)

326 Shirley better hope there's no more video of her.

Posted by: Reward at July 20, 2010 08:26 PM (+sBB4)

327 Nothing this woman says from about 18:30 on in the complete video exonerates her from anything she said prior. Also, right before she breaks into her sweet story about finally seeing the light and helping the white farmer she issues this little disclaimer I guess as so she wouldn't be painted as an Aunt Thomasina by the crowd:

"It's about those who are poor versus those who have it's not about black or whi....I mean it is about black or white......"

Screw her, she's an unrepentant racist commie scumbag and she finally got her just desserts. My hats off to Breitbart still. Also the video is clearly edited at around 21:00.

Posted by: Blazer at July 20, 2010 08:26 PM (t72+4)

328 And Michael Richards can come back too, right? Since we now give racism a pass. I mean, that poor guy deserves his job back if a crooked racist in charge of a billion tax dollars does. Right?


Posted by: sifty at July 20, 2010 08:26 PM (BimL7)

329 Thank Beck for turning this into a circular firing squad situation.Hilarity ensues.....

Posted by: steevy at July 20, 2010 08:26 PM (GACQd)

330 In Obama's America, NOBODY is entitled to due process.

Posted by: stuiec at July 20, 2010 08:22 PM (7AOgy)
Oh ... you'll get due process. You'll get exactly what you're due. Allahu Ackbar!!!

Posted by: The Precedent, Nobel Lariat, Super-Genius ... at July 20, 2010 08:27 PM (Qp4DT)

331 Oh and to the low amp trolls smacking me over the breitbart mess. I wrote extensively on him on clarion advisory on I believe 7/14. Just google his name and clarion advisory. But this thing he created is a mess that is now overtaking the Journolist story . . . remember Journolist??? Now we're talking about Breitbart . . . don't publish stuff unless it's fully vetted that's all. Now lets get back to work. I can speak freely because . . . I work for myself and I have never played follow the leader.

Posted by: Matthew J. O'Connor at July 20, 2010 08:27 PM (8EEyy)

332 "The supposed need for revenge. And that's the sad
truth about race relations in this country today. Way too many
minorities, especially young blacks, have been trained to hate whitey by
race-hustlers such as the Jessie Jackson. Anything bad that happens to
a certain "kind" is justified and even encouraged.


Posted by: Kratos (Ghost of Sparta) at July 20, 2010 08:24 PM (c0A3e)"dear God, if you can "train a black child to hate whitey" it sort of sounds very similar to what is going on in the middle east as regards christians. Feels almost like the same kind of indoctrination which is child abuse.

Posted by: curious at July 20, 2010 08:29 PM (p302b)

333 This is a win win. Breibart has stopped the NAACP's bullshit attack on the tea party by exposing their own obvious racism.

MSM knows all this shit and sees it, but doesn't report it.

Obama throws his own peoples under the bus again, aka Rev Wright.

I think we are getting to a tipping point. No one is buying the racism shit any fucking more.

Barry has played his cards, and they suck. Now he is exposed for what he is an airhead race monger.

Rahm is behind this. Blogo is going to fuck both of them.

MORE POPCORN!

Posted by: Kemp at July 20, 2010 08:29 PM (2+9Yx)

334 Why would they even worry about suits? Just have Eric Holder dismiss them all.

Posted by: dagny at July 20, 2010 08:30 PM (cyMr2)

335 Beck who ?

Posted by: meleager at July 20, 2010 08:30 PM (Y2/mt)

336 Posted by: Matthew J. O'Connor at July 20, 2010 08:27 PM (8EEyy)

Has anyone ever informed you that excessive pimping of one's own blog on another's is kind of reprehensible? I thought not.

did I apostrophize correctly?

Posted by: Soap MacTavish at July 20, 2010 08:30 PM (554T5)

337 @324,
Yep...that's right! They have been laughing at all of us for years, because they can bulldoze us on any issue.
Why are they so confident?
Because we are the idiots that brought the knife to the gun fight!, and if your operating from a position where morals are the baseline of your Ideology, then you wait till he shoots you before your charge him with the knife...in the mean time...he has already reloaded and pump an entire clip into your gut!
Is this that hard to understand?

Posted by: Jimi at July 20, 2010 08:31 PM (fqxV7)

338 I can speak freely because . . . I work for myself and I have never
played follow the leader.

Aren't you special. Have a cookie.

Posted by: Waterhouse at July 20, 2010 08:31 PM (E8Z3S)

339 The story here is not that the MFM is not
covering viable stories, it's that Kirsten Powers even one iota of a
cracka of credibility for anything that comes out of her mouth.

Posted by: Hussein the Plumber at July 20, 2010 08:21 PM (r1h5M)
She needed another Megyn Kelly slap down

Posted by: TheQuietMan at July 20, 2010 08:31 PM (yB8dV)

340 Also the video is clearly edited at around 21:00.

Posted by: Blazer at July 20, 2010 08:26 PM (t72+4)
Yep...it's when she's talking about finally finding a lawyer to help the guy...."...it's a black lawyer..." cut....come back to "laughter".

Posted by: Tami at July 20, 2010 08:32 PM (VuLos)

341 Beck went out of his way to spin this racist hags meme. 'Wow, she seems like a nice lady'. The man's an attention-whore. Dial my red phone!!!!!11!! It's all about me!!!!!!!!!! Jackass.
Breibart knows what he's doing. He's not faltered yet. I will not jump on this bullshit blame Andrew bandwagon.

Posted by: laceyunderalls at July 20, 2010 08:32 PM (3Ju9j)

342 Oh and to the low amp trolls smacking me

It's a pretty well established fact that blog pimps are one or two standard deviations lower than trolls.

Posted by: Public Service Message at July 20, 2010 08:32 PM (IhHdM)

343 @48 - exactly - that's the point they miss. It's that room full of racists that nod approvingly that is so disturbing, not what she said.

Posted by: Roy at July 20, 2010 08:33 PM (Ukl+Y)

344 Hmmmm.

1. Breitbart did not make Sherrod the focus of his article, where he published the video, and instead made the NAACP the focus.

2. Breitbart did not demand Sherrod to be fired.

3. Breitbart acknowledged in his article that Sherrod:

"Eventually, her basic humanity informs that this white man is poor and
needs help."

4. If the fault lies anywhere it is in the White House, USDA and the NAACP.

5. The reason for this quick firing might have to do with a legal case Sherrod was a principal of: Pigford V. Glickman

Essentially some black farmers alleged that they were discriminated against by the USDA for farm loans. The US settled out of court in 1999 with a ridiculously easy set of terms that practically anybody who made a claim could get $50,000. They expected 2,000 claimants but got 22,000+!!

Shirley Sherrod got $150,000 personally for "pain and suffering". Which is frankly astonishing.

Otherwise it must have been the NAACP doing some ass-covering in response to the blow-back from their attempt at smearing the Tea Parties.

Posted by: memomachine at July 20, 2010 08:33 PM (MwCol)

345 You aren't the Mathew J. O'Connor of Clarion Advisory fame, are you? My goodness!

Would you sign my yearbook?

Posted by: sifty at July 20, 2010 08:33 PM (BimL7)

346 Where's my fucking Donkey?

http://tinyurl.com/2fk4zf8

Posted by: Alvin, the candidate, not the chipmunk at July 20, 2010 08:33 PM (2+9Yx)

347 Here he is!

http://tinyurl.com/2voxstw

Posted by: Alvin, the candidate, not the chipmunk at July 20, 2010 08:34 PM (2+9Yx)

348 What really sucks though, is the White House threw her under the back of the bus.

Posted by: Roy at July 20, 2010 08:35 PM (Ukl+Y)

349 That is the bravest Democrat I ever saw.

Posted by: sifty at July 20, 2010 08:35 PM (BimL7)

350 "348

What really sucks though, is the White House threw her under the back
of the bus.

Posted by: Roy at July 20, 2010 08:35 PM (Ukl+Y)"cleaning the keyboard.....

Posted by: curious at July 20, 2010 08:36 PM (p302b)

351 342 Oh and to the low amp trolls smacking meIt's a pretty well established fact that blog pimps are one or two standard deviations lower than trolls.
Now . . . finally some humor. Call me non-pisstola whipped.

Posted by: Matthew J. O'Connor at July 20, 2010 08:36 PM (8EEyy)

352 While she went on to explain in the story that she ultimately
realized her mistake, as well as the common predicament of working
people of all races, she gave no indication she had attempted to right
the wrong she had done to this man.
umm.. this is the original NAACP statement

Posted by: Cynic at July 20, 2010 08:36 PM (+sBB4)

353 I don't watch o'really....had poor kristan found her brain yet or is it still missing after her encounter with megyn the super mom?

Posted by: curious at July 20, 2010 08:37 PM (p302b)

354 The fight to save America has to be nasty and
brutish - there's nowhere else left to retreat.

Posted by: Fa Cube Itches at July 20, 2010 08:25 PM (ySNz/)
We are going to
twist his balls and kick the living shit out of him
all of the time. Our basic plan of operation is to
advance and to keep on advancing regardless of
whether we have to go over, under, or through the
enemy. We are going to go through him like crap
through a goose; like shit through a tin
horn!

Posted by: George S Patton at July 20, 2010 08:37 PM (bgcml)

355 348
What really sucks though, is the White House threw her under the back of the bus.
Posted by: Roy at July 20, 2010 08:35 PM (Ukl+Y)
I see what you did there and you should be ashamed of yourself. You are like some kind of avenging spirit of "Bull" Conner, as resurrected by 4chan.

Posted by: Jim in San Diego at July 20, 2010 08:38 PM (oIp16)

356 Watch the speech. Aside from a few diversions into typical lefty stuff, it's a wonderful speech.

BTW-According to the full story...the white lawyer she sent the guy to tried to screw the white farmer (she hates lawyers). She then found someone else to help them.

This woman was wronged by whoever put that that tape together, Breitbart, Obama and the NAACP. They should be flying to her house to beg her forgiveness.

The NAACP people at the speech were nodding at one point but only after hearing how the guy was condescending to her after coming to her for help. Laughing at a loudmouth (possibly a racist one) getting a taste of his own medicine isn't a crime in my book.

Plus, she wasn't working for the feds at the time and she prefaced the story by saying it was a story of redemption.

This is a character assassination of the worst kind and a terrible misfire by Breitbart.

Posted by: DrewM. at July 20, 2010 08:38 PM (X/Lqh)

357

How did Shirley Sherrod come out of that
background in such a state that in 1986, twenty years later, she's
thinking about a white farmer in terms like "his own kind"? Really?
Twenty-five years after her husband organizes the Freedom Rides and
marches with Dr. King in Washington, and it's only after she encounters
this white farmer going bankrupt that she opens her eyes to racial
equality and equal treatment?

Posted by: stuiec at July 20, 2010 08:18 PM (7AOgy)

Wiki SNCC - it evolved into a black power racist group - want some fun - bing SNCC and SPLC

Posted by: Druid at July 20, 2010 08:38 PM (70pXm)

358 @354,
"We are going to use thier guts to grease the trends of our tanks"-G.S. Patton

Posted by: Jimi at July 20, 2010 08:39 PM (fqxV7)

359 348

What really sucks though, is the White House threw her under the back
of the bus.

Posted by: Roy at July 20, 2010 08:35 PM (Ukl+Y)

I think I just peed my pants.

Posted by: Trinity at July 20, 2010 08:39 PM (keC7U)

360 #354
like diarrhea through a vuvuzela!
like butt-sauce through a crazy straw!
like poop through two girls and a cup!

Posted by: theoneandonlyfinn at July 20, 2010 08:39 PM (lV4Fs)

361 Now . . . finally some humor. Call me non-pisstola whipped.

You just might get your own dedicated thread soon.

Posted by: Hi-Watt the Troll at July 20, 2010 08:39 PM (SwkdU)

362 The MFM has never let the fact that quotes were taken "out of context" mollify them when they go after some Republican or conservative.Nor do they let the fact that remarks are from many years previous get in the way of their narrative.We are too fucking fair.

Posted by: steevy at July 20, 2010 08:40 PM (GACQd)

363 Folks, I am so astonishingly disappointed. Andy Levy tweeted the entire video from the NAACP, so I posted it at Big Government, unwatched, so people could judge for themselves, and it was scrubbed.

Posted by: sybilll at July 20, 2010 08:40 PM (8xCJr)

364 I don't watch o'really....had poor kristan found her
brain yet or is it still missing after her encounter with megyn the
super mom?

Posted by: curious at July 20, 2010 08:37 PM (p302b)
I don't think there was ever anything to find.

Posted by: TheQuietMan at July 20, 2010 08:40 PM (yB8dV)

365 To all the people smacking Beck around. I give you Van Jones and the Mao-loving bitch who both got tossed on their asses due to Beck.

You may not care for Beck, and much of the time he rubs me the wrong way, but he's been a friend to Breitbart and is doing incredible work shining a light on these douchebags in the administration.

So try to lighten up, please. Jeebus. Why don't you guys just throw Beck under the bus? Then who are you left with?


Posted by: Jane D'oh at July 20, 2010 08:40 PM (UOM48)

366 Folks, Breitbart is not done here yet. He's playing chess here, while everyone else is playing checkers. He promised Media Matters on Twitter he had stuff that will keep them up for many nights to come. He's not only indicting the NAACP here, he's setting the media up big time. Wait for it.

More damning tapes to come.

More damning e-mails to come from Journolist.

Why did Obama throw her under the bus so quickly? Because there is more stuff out there that has them scared shitless thats why and I'll bet it's tied to the man himself.



Posted by: Blazer at July 20, 2010 08:40 PM (t72+4)

367 "361
Now . . . finally some humor. Call me non-pisstola whipped.





You just might get your own dedicated thread soon.

Posted by: Hi-Watt the Troll at July 20, 2010 08:39 PM (SwkdU)"Who was the last guy who had their own dedicated thread? Was it that guy involved with Nikki?

Posted by: curious at July 20, 2010 08:41 PM (p302b)

368 curious
It is entirely unnerving to hear that a person is driving on the interstate and getting not one, not two but three phone calls allegedly from the WH or representatives thereof? And being told to pull over and resign? Really? Really? this is America, she is entitled to defend herself. And this morning Beck said this isn't the first time this scenario has played out. I felt the same horror I felt when the CEO of GM was "fired". It makes you uncomfortable

you win the concerned troll award and ... a baby's arm holding an apple

Posted by: meleager at July 20, 2010 08:41 PM (Y2/mt)

369 This is a character assassination of the worst kind and a terrible
misfire by Breitbart.
Oh, boy...

Posted by: Soap MacTavish at July 20, 2010 08:41 PM (554T5)

370 I don't watch o'really....had poor kristan found her
brain yet or is it still missing after her encounter with megyn the
super mom?

Posted by: curious at July 20, 2010 08:37 PM (p302b)
Even O'Reilly got exasperated by her. She defended the network news shows not covering Van Jones, Black Panthers (essentially, though she tried to slime out of that), Sherrod and one other issue. She called it all character assassination and basically asserted that no one cares about who is running our government machinery, or no one should be bothered with the details of marxists, maoists, and general idiots in positions of power and discretion.

Posted by: progressoverpeace at July 20, 2010 08:41 PM (Qp4DT)

371 Here's what I'm doing when I go to work tomorrow......
I'm going to gather a group of folks. I'm going to talk about when I worked at Legal Aid a few years ago how I had this black man as a client. It was clear he thought he was superior to me. But I was going to let him know that wasn't the case.
Anyway, I realized it wasn't about black or white but about the have's and have not's.Still, I sent him on his way. To his own kind.
Fast foward to the end of the day.........
So howfast will they have my shit packed to escort me out the door....forever?

Posted by: laceyunderalls at July 20, 2010 08:42 PM (3Ju9j)

372 I don't get the attack on Brietbart. The naacp continues to say the tea party is racist and lie about slurs on the capitol steps, he says stop or he will release tapes, which he does. No somehow an unwhole tape is worse than naacp's outright lying? Fire with fire.

I don't let this shirley character off the hook either, used her position for discrimination, talks about "his kind", potentially uses lawsuit for political position, receives payment from the fed in excess of what others got. Something smells with this woman.

Posted by: Guy Fawkes at July 20, 2010 08:43 PM (JSghx)

373 @362,
Yep...It's like playing golf with my grandmother! She gets to cheat at will, and I still give her 20 strokes, and when she wins everytime, and I still buy the food and drnks afterwards.
I am starting to think the battle may already be lost!

Posted by: Jimi at July 20, 2010 08:44 PM (fqxV7)

374 Let me add one other thing.

In picking a used car, you don't know if its a lemon or a good car. So you pay considerably less for it, if its a good car. Prices drive down to the worst possible outcome, for a used car, because of the risk. The risk of a lemon without any recourse.

See what I am getting at.

This video shows every White guy (and woman) that there is a huge, and unquantifiable risk, of being screwed over by a Black bureaucrat (or Wise Latina) because they are White. They don't know, if the person in front of them will smile and "send them to one of their own kind" and "do just enough for them so they can't complain" but really, screw them over.

This goes beyond elected office holders (Steele, etc. showing race trumps Party loyalty when D L Hughley calls the Republican Party a Klan rally). Or party officials. It goes to the heart of multiculturalism, PC, diversity. It shows every White person that they CAN be screwed over, and never know it, by non-Whites.

And they can't tell. They can't know if the person is Shirley Sherrod, or not. They can only assume the worst.

This means, if Government grows everywhere, touching every aspect of life, and making and choosing winners and losers in everything, Whites MUST FIGHT. Either to reduce government to irrelevancy (thus a Sherrod can be as racist as she wants, as anti-White, because she can't help or hurt anyone) ... OR Government is all White in pure spoils politics. Down to every single bureaucrat and appointed official, who holds the almost literal power of life or death, poverty or success, over petitioners.

This won't be printed in the NYT. It won't be showing up on the WSJ or the Washington Post. It won't show up on Fox News.

But believe me, I saw quite clearly what my risk is to a non-White bureaucrat. I have no way of knowing if I'll be hated and destroyed just for my skin color. Therefore I either want Government so tiny it has no effect, or all White. Because I can't become magically non-White.

Posted by: whiskey at July 20, 2010 08:44 PM (t3UKO)

375 Remember when Trent Lott(no,I don't like him but)was thrown under the bus for making an ego boosting remark to a 100 year old guy?

Posted by: steevy at July 20, 2010 08:44 PM (GACQd)

376 "368

curious

It is entirely unnerving to hear that a person is driving on the
interstate and getting not one, not two but three phone calls allegedly
from the WH or representatives thereof? And being told to pull over and
resign? Really? Really? this is America, she is entitled to defend
herself. And this morning Beck said this isn't the first time this
scenario has played out. I felt the same horror I felt when the CEO of
GM was "fired". It makes you uncomfortable



you win the concerned troll award and ... a baby's arm holding an
apple

Posted by: meleager at July 20, 2010 08:41 PM (Y2/mt)"Well, I guess I should be honored but problem is, I'm not a troll....I post here all the time....this is me...what I think....in real time....while I had an "all hell is breaking loose day"

Posted by: curious at July 20, 2010 08:44 PM (p302b)

377 This is a character assassination of the worst kind and a terrible misfire by Breitbart.
Posted by: DrewM. at July 20, 2010 08:38 PM (X/Lqh)
Not even Drew!
Breitbart didn't demand she resign, the Whitehouse did. Breitbart didn't denounce her by name, the NAACP did.
If there is a problem here, THEY own it, not Breitbart. Besides, the NAACP had the entire tape, so why did they act like they did?

Posted by: Jim in San Diego at July 20, 2010 08:44 PM (oIp16)

378 Then who are you left with?
The research staff that does his heavy lifting. They did the work on Van Jones. He writes on a chalk board and sobs on a continual basis.

Posted by: laceyunderalls at July 20, 2010 08:45 PM (3Ju9j)

379 I would like to see a poll of the moron nation on this topic. How many of us think she is exonerated and how many of us think she deserves to have been pushed out the door?

Posted by: Y-not at July 20, 2010 08:46 PM (O627A)

380 #356

That there is funny, I don't care who you are!

Posted by: sifty at July 20, 2010 08:46 PM (BimL7)

381 I don't fuckin care.

Posted by: Rickshaw Jack at July 20, 2010 08:46 PM (QnRro)

382 like = the way

Posted by: Jim in San Diego at July 20, 2010 08:46 PM (oIp16)

383 -->Laughing at a loudmouth (possibly a racist one)
getting a taste of his own medicine isn't a crime in my book.Via abuse of government power? Really?

-->Plus,
she wasn't working for the feds at the time and she prefaced the story
by saying it was a story of redemption.

She was working for government. It doesn't matter if it was the federal government or not. And I don't care about her stories of redermption. Her racism was exposed to free her inner marxist to come out? Great.-->This is a character
assassination of the worst kind and a terrible misfire by Breitbart.

Posted by: DrewM. at July 20, 2010 08:38 PM (X/Lqh)If you want to blame someone for what happened to Sherrod, blame the White House. That was Beck's point. They were the ones who fired her within hours of O'Reilly calling for her to let go.

Posted by: progressoverpeace at July 20, 2010 08:46 PM (Qp4DT)

384 Can't we all just get along?

Posted by: Rodney King at July 20, 2010 08:47 PM (ySNz/)

385 Beck did NOT turn anything into a circular firing squad. He watched and listened to the tape before his show this evening (because this morning he was mocking her) and heard what she said on CNN and how the WH tossed her under the bus.

Good grief, when a man can change his perspective due to the information he's getting, just like Krauthammer, give him a break.

Or maybe we'd just all like to be Journolist lite.


Posted by: Jane D'oh at July 20, 2010 08:47 PM (UOM48)

386 Race makes a world of difference in gov't drones... Take your honkey ass to the largely black staffed DMV in Cape Girardeau and see how you get treated.

Go to the all cracka, all the time office in Jackson, just seven miles away, and you get smiles, pleasant greetings and friendly service.

Posted by: FORGER - Racist Czar at July 20, 2010 08:47 PM (IABpv)

387 We treat everyone like a king!

Posted by: LAPD at July 20, 2010 08:47 PM (ySNz/)

388 Breitbart didn't demand she resign, the Whitehouse did. Breitbart didn't
denounce her by name, the NAACP did.

Actually, wasn't it the Ag secretary (per Tapper):

" Secretary of Agriculture Tom Vilsack
Tuesday afternoon stood by his decision to seek her termination based on
a controversial anecdote she told earlier this year."

Posted by: Y-not at July 20, 2010 08:47 PM (O627A)

389 I post here all the time....this is me...what I think....in real time....

I'll vouch for you. This is the weirdest thread I've ever seen here. A bunch of newbies dump on Breitbart and then call everyone else a troll. Throw in a blogpimp and a possible Iowahawk siting/sockpuppet and I'm even having trouble figuring out what is /sarc and who is high on Obama.

Posted by: Public Service Message at July 20, 2010 08:49 PM (IhHdM)

390 what is most revealing is that although Sherrod was recounting that story from 24 years ago, she was recounting it 3 months ago at a NAACP meeting,
and the NAACP members were cheering, clapping and saying "that's right" when Sherrod said "she didn't help the white farmrer as much as she could have"
The racists are not Shrrod, but the NAACP, I hope Beck goes on this, as well as BreitBart. Also revealing, Tea Party members are quickly condemned and never given NO avenue to defend themselves.

Posted by: johnc_recent_EX-democrat at July 20, 2010 08:49 PM (ACkhT)

391 then not a problem curious, nothing personal but its the POLICY to oppose, not the personal and sympathy for the fallen cannot deter us

Posted by: meleager at July 20, 2010 08:50 PM (Y2/mt)

392 She claimed on CNN that it was "The White House" that demanded her resignation. The call might have been farmed out to her boss, but the decision was made by the White House.

Posted by: Jim in San Diego at July 20, 2010 08:50 PM (oIp16)

393 Krauthammer just said on Special Report she deserves her job back... and
restitution.

Krauthammer's an idiot. She didn't just decide to become a racist all of a sudden and then just as suddenly see the errors of her ways. This case of her racism is being highlighted because she talked about it, anybody who doubts she didn't pull this racist shit on other white farmers is just a big a fool as Krauthammer and Beck. Go through her records at the USDA, if no other instances can be found, great, but i doubt that'll be the case/ The question is, does anybody on the right besides Breitbart have the backbone to pursue this as vigorously as democrats would have done if she had been a Republican, unfortunately the answer is most likely no. Party of pussies.

Posted by: koopy at July 20, 2010 08:50 PM (awinc)

394 This is a character assassination of the worst kind and a terrible misfire by Breitbart.
How in the world do you excuse her saying that she sent him to his own kind (and this was after she allegedly found her love light for this guy)??
That is inexcusable and indefensible. She's the one owing the apology here.

Posted by: laceyunderalls at July 20, 2010 08:50 PM (3Ju9j)

395 356 Drew,
she was working for a tax-exempt NGO and part of the tax-exemption is the anti-discriminatory rules....recall that is why the GLAAD types hate the Boy Scouts getting Federal aid since they "discriminate".....

Posted by: sven10077 at July 20, 2010 08:50 PM (kq1lG)

396 I was rejoicing in her firing this morning. I was mocking her. But if what I'm hearing now refutes the video tape (that's not the entire tape), then I'm willing to give her the benefit of the doubt.

And yeah, Beck DID bring Van Jones to the forefront. And the Maoist twit (whats her name).


Posted by: Jane D'oh at July 20, 2010 08:51 PM (UOM48)

397 385 He could have handled it differently.He said at the time(and repeated today)that he never wanted Van Jones fired.Only that he wanted answers as to why he was hired.He let's his compassion get in the way of his good sense.

Posted by: steevy at July 20, 2010 08:52 PM (GACQd)

398 @379,
Probably not fired, but shit happends...her problem. We didn't do it anyway. I'm no mood to really care.
Props to Beck.....Props to Breitbart....let's move on. We got bigger fish to fry.

Posted by: Jimi at July 20, 2010 08:52 PM (fqxV7)

399 I think the WH used these comments to fire her because apparently she was bring a huge discrimination case against the USDA, and very unneccesary one.
Fox has the story.

Posted by: johnc_recent_EX-democrat at July 20, 2010 08:52 PM (ACkhT)

400 meleager, Curious is a regular. Don't be a dick.
I would like to see a poll of the moron nation on this topic. How many of us think she is exonerated and how many of us think she deserves to have been pushed out the door?
Posted by: Y-not at July 20, 2010 08:46 PM (O627A)
Out the fucking door. Racist bitch.

Posted by: ErikW at July 20, 2010 08:53 PM (E1/9G)

401 We got bigger fish to fry.

You stay the fuck away from me.

Posted by: Paul the Psychic Octopus at July 20, 2010 08:53 PM (E8Z3S)

402 Extending the Breit logic here we could pull up some of O'Reilly's famous riffs on Inside Edition and then splice em to All in the Family and then add the theme song from the Jefferson's and segue into Gun Smoke and voila . . . get some bastard fired.
Who's in?

Posted by: Matthew J. O'Connor at July 20, 2010 08:53 PM (8EEyy)

403 me too!

Posted by: Flipper at July 20, 2010 08:54 PM (+NfQM)

404 I just watched this awful speech.

She notes that she is devoted to blacks. Even says she is devoted to help only blacks,
and talks about how she didnt help a white farmer. But the white
lawyer she referred him to sucked and told the white farmer to just give
up his farm. She is so outraged by this terrible lawyer, that she
realizes she should help all have-nots, even the white ones she doesnt
want to help.

In no way does she repent or apologize for racism. In no way does she
describe her racist as wrong. 16:30 to 22:00 if youre curious.

But watch the rest of the video. She sees opposition to Obamacare as
racist, without really explaining her paranoia. She has no place to
tell others not to make the accusation she so freely gives, but more
importantly, the charge of racist sticks to her just as strongly now as
it did before this full video came out. Had Breitbart had the full
video, he would have had zero reason to cut any of it. In fact, theres
tons of stuff in here he probably would have loved for you to see.

She goes on and on and on and on about government money we should
thank President Obama for. And she is truly unfair to Obama opponents.

Finally, I repeat: she doesnt show any contrition for her racism.
She just doesnt. She recognizes that she wants to help the have-nots
too, some of whom are white, but she never says her discrimination on
the basis of race is wrong. No one seems to find it to be a problem,
either.Breitbart didn't do anything wrong. It's obvious he didn't have the whole video, because there is so much juicy material here he would have been compelled to use. I think this completely vindicates him, and it would be insane to trust Sherrod with any responsibility. She is a believer in racism, but also willing to help a white guy if he's poor enough.

Posted by: Legendary Film Star Rick Moranis at July 20, 2010 08:54 PM (dUOK+)

405 ErikW at July 20, 2010 08:53 PM (E1/9G)
Cut >>> Jib >>> Yada3

Posted by: laceyunderalls at July 20, 2010 08:54 PM (3Ju9j)

406 Well folks, the race card is dogeared and creased and can no longer be hidden in the deck to be sprung as a nuclear option.

Call me a racist, who gives a fuck.

We have a racist president elected by a bunch of racists and fools who thought they were buying off the race card for good (or bad, as it turned out).

We have a racist AG who won't try racists caught in the act . Racist USDA functionaries who get hired after winning racial discrimination lawsuits, who admit to racist acts and then try to reinvent their personal history.

Really, This shit is getting fucking BORING.

Posted by: ontherocks at July 20, 2010 08:55 PM (HBqDo)

407 Plus, she wasn't working for the feds at the time and she prefaced the
story by saying it was a story of redemption.
This is a character assassination of
the worst kind and a terrible
misfire by Breitbart.
Posted by: DrewM. at July 20, 2010 08:38 PM (X/Lqh)




Yep, except her story of redemption included blatant racism, tax-payer dollars and working as a civil servant overseeing money for many white farms and black farms as well for many years beforehand. It would be a sweet story if she didn't come to her epiphany while she was working as a bigoted government official at the time who was supposed to help everyone try to overcome hardship equally regardless of race.

What happened before she saw the light ? How many white farmers got turned away from help or didn't receive the help they could have gotten because this woman was carrying around a racial chip on her shoulder? Sorry Drew, you're wrong. Although I'm glad she had her come to Jesus moment 24 years ago, that was also around the same time her ass should have been shitcanned. Probably several years before that too.

At the very least she's guilty of dereliction of duty, at the very most, possibly violating peoples civil rights.

Posted by: Blazer at July 20, 2010 08:55 PM (t72+4)

408 392
She claimed on CNN that it was "The White House" that demanded her
resignation. The call might have been farmed out to her boss, but the
decision was made by the White House.

She could (and maybe should) have said "You can fire me, but I won't resign over this non-incident".








Posted by: looking closely at July 20, 2010 08:55 PM (KNy97)

409 I have to laugh at all the hand wringing going on over this.

Posted by: Rickshaw Jack at July 20, 2010 08:55 PM (QnRro)

410 (spam)
jenny

♫ Jenny, Jenny, who can I turn to? ♫

Posted by: Public Service Message at July 20, 2010 08:55 PM (IhHdM)

411 Extending the Breit logic here we could pull up some of O'Reilly's famous riffs on Inside Edition and then splice em to All in the Family and then add the theme song from the Jefferson's and segue into Gun Smoke and voila . . . get some bastard fired.

Who's in?

Dude, that's brilliant!

Posted by: Ampeg at July 20, 2010 08:56 PM (SwkdU)

Posted by: kidney at July 20, 2010 08:56 PM (ENRGu)

413 I'm out of here. I've got a lot more things pulling at my heart and soul than this shit. Have a nice night.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at July 20, 2010 08:56 PM (UOM48)

414 repremanded.

Posted by: meleager at July 20, 2010 08:57 PM (Y2/mt)

415 Yep, I knew it. We made a big splash, time to kowtow and apologize.

Posted by: Alex at July 20, 2010 08:57 PM (ifK+p)

416 BreitBart did NOTHING wrong. Keep going BreitBart!
this is comning from a former lefty. Keep releasing videos, proofs, etc.

Posted by: johnc_recent_EX-democrat at July 20, 2010 08:57 PM (ACkhT)

417 Who's in?
Will you fuck off back to whatever concern troll cave you came from if we say we are?

Posted by: Waterhouse at July 20, 2010 08:58 PM (E8Z3S)

418 Would not surprse me one bit if BreitBart has the infamous Mrs. Community Organizer Whitey tape, perhaps the RNC has it.

Posted by: johnc_recent_EX-democrat at July 20, 2010 08:58 PM (ACkhT)

419 #379

Fuck her, she didn't buy any of my action figures

Posted by: Alvin, the candidate, not the chipmunk at July 20, 2010 08:58 PM (2+9Yx)

420 Posted by: laceyunderalls at July 20, 2010 08:54 PM (3Ju9j)

Posted by: ErikW at July 20, 2010 08:58 PM (E1/9G)

421 408 Blazer,

she is potentially in charge of doling out 114 billion taxpayer dollars as 'she sees fit".....

why hell yeah we oughta just hope her(non-existant I watched the whole damn thing)epiphany holds.

Posted by: sven10077 at July 20, 2010 08:59 PM (kq1lG)

422 Sorry bout that, I hitted the wrong key.


This was a setup. The front page story is that journalists colluded to slander people in order to silence the Wright issue and crown one man as President.


Ace- put the flaming skull story back on top. Shirley is small potatoes.

Posted by: kidney at July 20, 2010 08:59 PM (ENRGu)

423 390

what is most revealing is that although Sherrod was recounting that
story from 24 years ago, she was recounting it 3 months ago at a NAACP
meeting,

and the NAACP members were cheering, clapping and saying "that's
right" when Sherrod said "she didn't help the white farmrer as much as
she could have"

The racists are not Shrrod, but the NAACP, I hope Beck goes on this,
as well as BreitBart. Also revealing, Tea Party members are quickly
condemned and never given NO avenue to defend themselves.


John, this right here is the crux of the situation, at least to me. The NAACP is a bunch of hypocritical assholes. They throw "racismOMG!!!eleventy!!1!" at the Tea Party with no proof, but then are seen being just as racist themselves.

Posted by: Trinity at July 20, 2010 08:59 PM (keC7U)

424 I'll take Breitbart's word over the Weeping Drama Queen any day until this plays out. Beck has his purpose and good points, but his demand for attention from Obama is kinda creepy.Take his show away and give it to his research staff.

Breitbart put us some knowledge with those ACORN tapes, and I think he'll come through again.

I respect the brains here, and I am glad we are not all in lock step about this.

As my Pop used to say, "It's harder for someone to sneak up and screw you if you are looking every which-a way."





Posted by: sifty at July 20, 2010 09:00 PM (BimL7)

425 Many here are weak. You can't help it. You may be well suited to cooking our meals and running them up to us on the front lines.

Posted by: ZombiePatton at July 20, 2010 09:00 PM (+sBB4)

426 Dude, that's brilliant!
Posted by: Ampeg at July 20, 2010 08:56 PM (SwkdU)
If in brilliant you mean moronically retarded in a way that only seems rational to an unmedicated schizophrenic, yeah it's like totally brilliant. Unless I'm beating on a sock, then hah ha ha, I knew it all along.
Fuck, what a waste of time this is becoming.

Posted by: Jim in San Diego at July 20, 2010 09:00 PM (oIp16)

427 Breitbart posted it as an example of NAACP racism. All the NAACP members laughing and agreeing as Sherrod hit all the right notes about deciding whether to give some back to Whitey shows exactly what Breitbart wanted to show. He never said "this tape shows Sherrod was/is racist" he said it shows the racism of the NAACP. So what if her nice little anecdote ended with her saying how she learned a valuable lesson about racial tolerance. The evidence is in the crowd's reaction to her talking about how she was trying to decide if she was gonna stick it to Whitey while he was begging her to help save his farm.

Of course the underwear stains like Boehlert want to make the story about Sherrod, because then they can lie and say Breitbart lied. It wasn't about Sherrod. Never was. It was about the NAACP.

Posted by: chaos at July 20, 2010 09:01 PM (Bpl8G)

428 Keep going Breitbart . . . just don't serve drainoat the grain alcohol bar.Doesn't gogood with Red Meat and Righteous vinted Red.

Posted by: Matthew J. O'Connor at July 20, 2010 09:01 PM (8EEyy)

429 429,

also makes the Hobo stick too much to your ribs.

Posted by: sven10077 at July 20, 2010 09:01 PM (kq1lG)

430 I see what's going on here. This is one of those teachable moments, right? Just kidding.I'm going back to drinking.

Posted by: conscious, but incoherent - at July 20, 2010 09:02 PM (YVZlY)

431 405 So did you and Drew watch the same tape???His conclusions are very different.

Posted by: steevy at July 20, 2010 09:02 PM (GACQd)

432 The Feds decide who gets farm subsidies.
The Feds will decide who gets a student loan, and to which schools.
The Feds will decide who gets a new kidney or liver.
The Feds are taxing tanning salons.
The Feds will decide who gets a union pension.
The Feds will decide who gets a bank job.

We have been turned in to a bunch of lab rats.

Posted by: rawmuse at July 20, 2010 09:02 PM (6Zecj)

433 Okay.

I'm now at just over 24 mins into the video and I'm beginning to become uncomfortable. Someone above mentioned the cut in the film at 21 mins and now I'm wondering whether the camera was shut off, or whether something was edited out.

At 23 mins she starts expressing her bias against "haves". She speaks of enduring eight years of Bush and her side never being as "mean spirited" as people are now about health care and now that there's a black president.

At 25 mins now she's saying that it isn't "just" about black and white, it's also about the poor. But, she follows with how she learned that she can't live with hate and that everyone, black and white and Hispanic...everyone needs to learn to work together. She also follows up with how, when she was young, that they came home from school and had to work the fields, but that children don't have to do that anymore. She says that parents must set goals for their children and that the children must excel.... She says to the audience "You must love working in the chicken house" to make the point.

At 30 mins she speaks to all of the money that goes out to small businesses and how not one dime has gone to a black business. However, she doesn't seem to be admonishing the loan process. She seems to be admonishing the black community for not pursuing something better. And, to someone's note above about her reference to how only 20 black individuals are employed at the agency, again, she is admonishing the community for not taking an interest in agriculture.

At 35 mins she's rolling her eyes about the white man who's buying the land of a black farmer who's land was up for auction, but she also took a shot at lawyer of all colors.

I don't think she's some nutty racist. She seems to be a woman who is aware of the biases that exist in both communities. And, she seems to be someone who wants to see the black community rise up and help themselves. She lectures them about home-ownership and the value of credit. She speaks to how young people make such foolish decisions about spending their money.

At just over 40 minutes she speaks to how much money is available for loans today and gives the credit to President Obama. But she follows up by telling them to get their acts together.

Now, having watched the entire video, I equate her state of mind 20+ years ago to the fact that I haven't forgotten the misdeads of those in my life more than 20+ years ago. It is very convienent to forget, all these years later, that someone of her age lived through very difficult times and those scars don't heal in one generation.

I believe that people are looking for hate in her and, if it exists, it is not evident in this video.

Posted by: jmflynny at July 20, 2010 09:03 PM (NHK5s)

434 We, as a movement, will never move forward.


The entire power structure of the United States is allied against us. Money, influence, police power, all of it.

As the Journolist archives make clear IT MAKES NO DIFFERENCE WHAT WE SAY. WE will be called racists anyway. There is no way to win playing this game. Many more prolific commentators than myself preach this until they are blue in the fingers.

The war is on. Don't believe me? Look at the depths they go to in order to attack the opinions of more than half the United States. THEY ATTACK THE WEAK AND THE POOR. That is us. We have none of their power or influence individually. Yet we let them make the rules and influence our thought while we complain about how "unfair" it is.

But yes please, let's all ask for forgiveness for exposing bias. How silly of us to forget out place.

Posted by: Alex at July 20, 2010 09:03 PM (ifK+p)

435 Hey, if you're still bashing Breitbart, you need to STFU.

Watch the whole video. go to a different blog to get the hyperlink (I've been trying to link it here, but I'm too stupid).

the whole video is worse than the Breitbart clip and he clearly did not selectively cut out context. She never apologizes for racism. She does say a white farmer was in such a bad situation she was moved to help him despite her obvious problem with helping whites as much as she helps blacks. And then she condemns the Tea Party and Obamacare opponents as the real racists, with no justification whatsoever. And then she rattles off a seemingly endless list of free money we should "THANK PRESIDENT BARACK OBAMA" for.

Sorry, Breithbart missed most of the damning shit against her, and there was no apology for her racism. "blacks should help blacks more" is a central theme of the 40 minute speech.

Posted by: Legendary Film Star Rick Moranis at July 20, 2010 09:03 PM (dUOK+)

436 Sadly . . . we be painted with da pogo stick tonite Mrs. Kalabash.

Posted by: Matthew J. O'Connor at July 20, 2010 09:03 PM (8EEyy)

437 Somehow I don't think Retracto the Correction Alpaca will be too worried about this story.

Posted by: Rickshaw Jack at July 20, 2010 09:03 PM (QnRro)

438 Breitbart on Hannity's show right now.

Posted by: johnc_recent_EX-democrat at July 20, 2010 09:03 PM (ACkhT)

439 I find this troubling.
We're at a crossroads with this race issue. We can confront it and call their bluff (as Breibart's been doing) and say 'prove it'-or- kowtow and say shit like, 'hey, we're really sorry that you were filmed saying dumb, racist shit. sorry your own words came back to bite you in the ass and you got fired. can we apologize to you? can we give you another job? and can we repair you?'.
In what sane world does thsi approach make sense??

Posted by: laceyunderalls at July 20, 2010 09:04 PM (3Ju9j)

440 Dammit, Drew! Leave me alone!

Posted by: The Pooch at July 20, 2010 09:04 PM (YVZlY)

441 If in brilliant you mean moronically retarded in a way that only seems
rational to an unmedicated schizophrenic, yeah it's like totally
brilliant. Unless I'm beating on a sock, then hah ha ha, I knew it all
along.

It's a sock, beating on a blog pimp. Who sings that song, "Isn't it Ironic"?

Elastic Moronset or something I thimk.

Posted by: Public Service Message at July 20, 2010 09:04 PM (IhHdM)

442 Well...
Whatever. If this makes Obama look more like a putz then woo hoo.

Posted by: Timbo at July 20, 2010 09:05 PM (ph9vn)

443 The problem here is not really Breitbart's -- Breitbart released the tape to establish the NAACP contains racists, and the NAACP made a big spectacle of throwing Sherrod under the bus to refute what is irrefutable.
In other words, the NAACP made the story about Sherrod. When the story had always been about the NAACP.
Ace (Drew's boss)
Ace accidentally makes Drew lick my ball sack!

Posted by: Jim in San Diego at July 20, 2010 09:05 PM (oIp16)

444 Unless I'm beating on a sock

We are legion.

Posted by: Ampeggy Lee Atwater at July 20, 2010 09:05 PM (SwkdU)

445
I would like to see a poll of the moron nation on this topic.
How many of us think she is exonerated and how many of us think she
deserves to have been pushed out the door?

Posted by: Y-not at July 20, 2010 08:46 PM (O627A)
She's a bigot and she broke the law. She should be happy she isn't facing civil or criminal charges.Some of my best friends are non-uppity whites! Some of the time I even almost give them equal treatment before the law.

Posted by: 18-1 at July 20, 2010 09:05 PM (bgcml)

446 Nyuk, nyuk, nyuk, What numbskulls you people be.

Posted by: Moe, Larry and Curly at July 20, 2010 09:07 PM (w9bVp)

447 Laughing at a loudmouth (possibly a racist one)
getting a taste of his own medicine isn't a crime in my book.

Posted by: DrewM. at July 20, 2010 08:38 PM (X/Lqh)
Actually it is. If a federal employee discriminates based on race, arguing the victim was a jerk is no defense.

Posted by: 18-1 at July 20, 2010 09:07 PM (bgcml)

448 Breitbart's on Hannity.

Posted by: Ohio Dan at July 20, 2010 09:08 PM (rurh0)

449 434,

*I* pointed out that she was lamenting "only 20" I also said imagine a white SES or GS-12 or higher giving the same Knute Rockne speech....
yeah exactly

Posted by: sven10077 at July 20, 2010 09:08 PM (kq1lG)

450 Breitbart is on Hannity, beating this down

Posted by: Damiano at July 20, 2010 09:08 PM (R567u)

451 The latest "unedited" tape has been edited around th 21:00 minute mark. It comes back from the edit with the audience laughing. So what was edited out?

Posted by: Afro Mojo at July 20, 2010 09:09 PM (wFMDa)

452 Think about the outcome if she were an "at will employee" in private enterprise, not government and not a union worker.

Posted by: curious at July 20, 2010 09:09 PM (p302b)

453 She's a bigot and she broke the law. She should be happy she isn't
facing civil or criminal charges.

Yep. That's the long and the short of it.

Posted by: Ace's liver at July 20, 2010 09:09 PM (XIXhw)

454
The latest "unedited" tape has been edited around th
21:00 minute mark. It comes back from the edit with the audience
laughing. So what was edited out?

Posted by: Afro Mojo at July 20, 2010 09:09 PM (wFMDa)




Something inflammatory, bet on it. I hope like hell Breitbart has the full unedited version.

Posted by: Blazer at July 20, 2010 09:11 PM (t72+4)

455 442 If in brilliant you mean moronically retarded in a way that only seems rational to an unmedicated schizophrenic, yeah it's like totally brilliant. Unless I'm beating on a sock, then hah ha ha, I knew it all along.It's a sock, beating on a blog pimp. Who sings that song, "Isn't it Ironic"? Elastic Moronset or something I thimk.
It's . . .Herman and the Hermitsoff ofAtlantic Monthly Records produced byBlog P.

Posted by: Matthew J. O'Connor at July 20, 2010 09:11 PM (8EEyy)

456 I vote guilty and she should be investigated. I hope everyone she ever worked with sues her ass.

Posted by: sifty at July 20, 2010 09:11 PM (BimL7)

457 451 Breitbart is on Hannity, beating punching this down
Posted by: Damiano at July 20, 2010 09:08 PM (R567u)
FIFY.

Posted by: someguy at July 20, 2010 09:12 PM (YVZlY)

458 That is
inexcusable and indefensible. She's the one owing the apology
here.

Posted by: laceyunderalls at July 20, 2010 08:50 PM (3Ju9j)
I love black people. The whole racism think, I'm over that. Why sometimes I even give them a big tip when I bring my hood down to the local laundry shop.
Now these wiggers on the other hand. Them I hate. Don't they know their own kind?

Posted by: Robert Sheets Byrd at July 20, 2010 09:12 PM (bgcml)

459 Why is it important to recite Charles Kraut Hammer's take, before delivering your own? K gets lots of stuff wrong, you know--LOTS of stuff. I can get K's take every day over at the National Topsider.

Posted by: les grossman at July 20, 2010 09:12 PM (Vc/xe)

460 458...

Where is 'someguy'? Was he banned?

Posted by: jmflynny at July 20, 2010 09:13 PM (NHK5s)

461 whiskey @374, you nailed it!

Posted by: qrstuv at July 20, 2010 09:13 PM (9vZAV)

462 This new witness doesn't really resemble the person she was first talking about.

Posted by: Cincinnatus at July 20, 2010 09:13 PM (TGmQa)

463 Yeah, K had it right. You should check in with him more often. This guy Breitbart is a racist.

Posted by: dopey crane at July 20, 2010 09:13 PM (Vc/xe)

464 So, if I'm understanding this correctly, you can be a black conservative tea party member and, if you are, then you are automatically a reacist?

Posted by: curious at July 20, 2010 09:15 PM (p302b)

465 See, it all worked out in the end. Now we all just laugh about it.

Posted by: Uppity White Farmer at July 20, 2010 09:15 PM (TGmQa)

466 It's . . . Herman and the Hermits off of Atlantic Monthly Records produced by Blog P.

Do not fuck with me, Mister. You will be entering a world of pain.

Posted by: Ample Peg at July 20, 2010 09:15 PM (SwkdU)

467 (CNN) - President Obama was briefed after Agriculture
Secretary Tom Vilsack decided to seek Shirley Sherrod's resignation and
fully supports that decision, a White House official said Tuesday.

Posted by: Tami at July 20, 2010 09:15 PM (VuLos)

468 Krauthammer knows what is best for us plebes. We are eternally grateful.

Posted by: sifty at July 20, 2010 09:15 PM (BimL7)

469 It's a sock, beating on a blog pimp.
I can't keep up.

Posted by: Jim Shabazz in San Diego at July 20, 2010 09:16 PM (oIp16)

470 All you sack-licking Kos-trolls might want to hold your shit until we find out the conent of the NAACP-friendly edit at the 21:01 mark. Whatever it was had the mo-fros in the audience laughing right during the "white farmer" part.The latest tape release is pure editedbullshit.

Posted by: Afro Mojo at July 20, 2010 09:17 PM (wFMDa)

471 It's a sock, beating on a blog pimp.

I can't keep up.

Use the Force, James.

Posted by: Ample Peg Canopener at July 20, 2010 09:18 PM (SwkdU)

472 51
Juan Williams is on Special Report harping on the 24 years ago angle.

Posted by: Retread at July 20, 2010 06:44 PM (L3Rek)

Not surprised, that's about how long ago Juan mattered.

Posted by: Unclefacts, AoSHQ Pro Debate Squad, And Summoner Of Meteors. at July 20, 2010 09:19 PM (eCAn3)

473 So it's a dude, disguised as a dude, pretending to be another dude, smearing a dude?


Posted by: sifty at July 20, 2010 09:19 PM (BimL7)

474 I am with Breitbart on this. The point is the NAACP's double standard. Shirley's comments were far worse (even in "context") than anything alleged (yet not demonstrated) against the Tea Party.

Alas, racism only counts when it's against black/ brown people. The is, apparently, no such thing as racism against white folks.

If anyone were to dub the entire "unedited" version of Shirley's speech over a white person speaking, the dub the word " black" over " white, and change nothing else; the speaker would be condemned.

Posted by: Damiano at July 20, 2010 09:19 PM (R567u)

475 Brietbart said he only posted it because he had a quote from (I don't remember) saying that they were insisting the Tea Party was racist to discredit it and take it off message. He felt like turn about was fair play and could give a shit about ms usda.
Someone tell drew that he still won't get invited to all the right cocktail parties.

Posted by: dagny at July 20, 2010 09:20 PM (rYGl6)

476 Was this all a contest to get Olbermann to smile on vacation . . . it probably worked.
Channel 5 : Meanwhile . . . back at Rome West . . . yes, we're still burningbut first lets get back to the Sherrod story . . .Andrewhow exactly does your splice machine work?

Posted by: Matthew J. O'Connor at July 20, 2010 09:20 PM (8EEyy)

477 Whatever it was had the mo-fros in the audience
laughing right during the "white farmer" part.The latest tape release
is pure editedbullshit.

Posted by: Afro Mojo at July 20, 2010 09:17 PM (wFMDa)




And that right there my friends is the set up. Now wait for the serve.

Posted by: Blazer at July 20, 2010 09:20 PM (t72+4)

478 Use the Force, James.
Posted by: Ample Peg Canopener at July 20, 2010 09:18 PM (SwkdU)
Ifwhen you say "the force" you really mean pron, Vaseline and an entire box of Kleenex...

Posted by: Jim Shabazz in San Diego at July 20, 2010 09:20 PM (oIp16)

479 This new witness doesn't really resemble the person she was first
talking about.

They all look alike to her.

Posted by: nickless at July 20, 2010 09:21 PM (MMC8r)

480
Holy shit, I found my donkey.

First they make her para sail, then they do this!

http://tinyurl.com/2blslds

I hope I'll get her back before the election.



Posted by: Alvin, the candidate, not the chipmunk at July 20, 2010 09:21 PM (2+9Yx)

481 So, if I'm understanding this correctly, you can be a
black conservative tea party member and, if you are, then you are
automatically a reacist?

Posted by: curious at July 20, 2010 09:15 PM (p302b)

Wait...so teabaggers are all racist...but black people can't be racist. You're blowing my mind man!!!

Posted by: Some Liberal at July 20, 2010 09:22 PM (bgcml)

482 Did anyone not see how she rolled her eyes when she was talking about how the white guy was acting superior to her? Oh, she knew what he was doing, right?
It's bullshit to think she's not just as racist now as she was 24 years ago. I know some of you want to believe the best of her, and only seem to hear the supposed non-racist, goodcomments she's spewing, but it is what it is. Why does she spend so much time talking about black and white? If she's not the racist she was 24 years ago, why is the color of who she's supposed to be helping so damn important?
Hell, that's pretty much the only thing she says about white people...Oh, they're bad, but if they're poor, I'm supposed to help them, too.
Jeez...

Posted by: Steph at July 20, 2010 09:22 PM (580hG)

483

Where did this Matthew J. O'Jackass character come from and why do I not like this pretentious douchebag already?

Posted by: Blazer at July 20, 2010 09:23 PM (t72+4)

484 Now, Alvin,

I could have gone all year without seeing that video.

Posted by: jmflynny at July 20, 2010 09:23 PM (NHK5s)

485 I love Moderates, they are so reasonable.

Posted by: Not Quite at July 20, 2010 09:23 PM (Bs8Te)

486 So, if I'm understanding this correctly, you can be a
black conservative tea party member and, if you are, then you are
automatically a reacist?

Posted by: curious


Don't be silly. They are not racist. They are Uncle Toms.

Posted by: huerfano at July 20, 2010 09:24 PM (NmcJ6)

487 Where did this Matthew J. O'Jackass character come
from and why do I not like this pretentious douchebag already?

Posted by: Blazer at July 20, 2010 09:23 PM (t72+4)
As I argued on my blog, on, uh, 7/13, you'll clearly see I nailed this already. If you check my blog. But anyway, this is something I already talked about on my blog. Which you should check.

Posted by: Matthew J. O'Jackass at July 20, 2010 09:24 PM (bgcml)

488 I would love to know how the white farmer tried to make himself look superior while he was losing his farm?

Posted by: dagny at July 20, 2010 09:25 PM (KuEAH)

489 Ugh. I'm listening to a delay of Hannity interviewing (who else) Newt and he'scertain that our country is hungry for leadership to forge aheadso we canget our children the education they need.
Demagoguery, distortion and dishonesty!

I'm fucking done with Hannity.

Posted by: ErikW at July 20, 2010 09:25 PM (E1/9G)

490 I love Moderates, they are so reasonable.

Posted by: Not Quite at July 20, 2010 09:23 PM (Bs8Te)
So we'll send half of conservatives to the camps, and the other half get free Obama commemorative plates. That's a good compromise, right?

Posted by: Some Moderate at July 20, 2010 09:25 PM (bgcml)

491 Juan Williams is on Special Report harping on the 24 years ago angle.
And how's he whitewashing her 'to his own kind' comment? That was something she said this year. If she wanted to phrase it another way, she could have said, "I sent him to a different attorney". Not her words though were they?
To me, that's her most damning offense (followed up by the clapping of the crowd).

Posted by: laceyunderalls at July 20, 2010 09:25 PM (3Ju9j)

492 I adore Krauthammer, but He's been wrong a few times.
Beck , i like him.
becauseI like people, i don't expect them to own truth, shrug.

Posted by: willow at July 20, 2010 09:25 PM (SbsTp)

493 I <3 dagny.

Posted by: sifty at July 20, 2010 09:26 PM (BimL7)

494 Brietbart screwed up y'all. I'm extremely disappointed at this. All Ms. Sherrod was doing was relating a story from her past that opened her eyes to the truth which is that some in politics use race to divide us. Don't let them do it. Stay united. We will not be victims.

Posted by: Ashen at July 20, 2010 09:26 PM (fjUiD)

495 Lacey, mine too.

Posted by: willow at July 20, 2010 09:26 PM (SbsTp)

496 Did anyone not see how she rolled her
eyes when she was talking about how the white guy was acting superior to
her? Oh, she knew what he was doing, right?
It's bullshit to think she's not just as racist now as she was 24
years ago. I know some of you want to believe the best of her, and
only seem to hear the supposed non-racist, goodcomments she's
spewing, but it is what it is. Why does she spend so much time talking
about black and white? If she's not the racist she was 24 years ago,
why is the color of who she's supposed to be helping so damn important?
Hell, that's pretty much the only thing she says about white
people...Oh, they're bad, but if they're poor, I'm supposed to help
them, too.
Jeez...

Posted by: Steph at July 20, 2010 09:22 PM (580hG)




This tape is from 3 months ago. Once again right before she went into her story:

"It's about those who are poor versus those who have and not about black whi......I mean it is about black and white....."
Doesn't sound to me like she's all that color blind now and a recovering racist.

Posted by: Blazer at July 20, 2010 09:26 PM (t72+4)

497 Hmmmm I wonder what was edited out at the 21:01 minute mark?
Let's see:
it was right in the middle of her "white farmer" cracker-story, and it really gave the afro-audience a Rev.Wright kindachuckle.
Gosh! What oh what could she have said......?

Posted by: Afro Mojo at July 20, 2010 09:27 PM (wFMDa)

498 489
I would love to know how the white farmer tried to make himself look
superior while he was losing his farm?

I haven't a clue, but as somebody already mentioned, the farmer wouldn't have to say anything to show himself superior to this gov't bureaucrat because the farmer actually produced things!

Posted by: Kratos (Ghost of Sparta) at July 20, 2010 09:27 PM (c0A3e)

499 484 Where did this Matthew J. O'Jackass character come from and why do I not like this pretentious douchebag already?
From free speech land . . . oh, should I have not deviated from our talking points?You could probably get a time share here . . . only deposit is a pair of balls.

Posted by: Matthew J. O'Connor at July 20, 2010 09:28 PM (8EEyy)

500 It's that Reverand Wright moment. wherer the congragation laughs , claps agrees about the other citizens of the US.
Or about america,
It's painful to see, it's abuse of their power where they are in trusted positions with others.

Posted by: willow at July 20, 2010 09:28 PM (SbsTp)

501 Brietbart screwed up y'all. I'm extremely disappointed at this. All Ms. Sherrod was doing was relating a story from her past that opened her eyes to the truth which is that some in politics use race to divide us. Don't let them do it. Stay united. We will not be victims.
What?

Posted by: dagny at July 20, 2010 09:29 PM (jKX8t)

502 reverend-congregation. sorry into a touch of nyquil.
it's the furthest thing from unity or hope they are selling.

Posted by: willow at July 20, 2010 09:29 PM (SbsTp)

503 I checked out the Clarion Advisory. This Matthew J. O'Connor character doesn't seem so nutty which means, no doubt, that he's leading us there to plant some previously unknown yet devastatingly evil computer virus into the moron community.

If my computer crashes, I won't be able to warn you.

Posted by: jmflynny at July 20, 2010 09:30 PM (NHK5s)

504 >>>Breitbart didn't demand she resign, the Whitehouse did. Breitbart didn't denounce her by name, the NAACP did.

Well... but he put the tape out there, right, vouching (implicitly) for its completeness and accuracy.

I mean, it's not like it just got into the media on its own.

The tape was also there to establish the NAACP has racists in it, and while this woman confesses to past racism (um, she thinks that every white dude wants to show how "superior" he is to her), the full story is supposed to be one of how she learned to look past that.

I mean, Beck's analogy is right, if he were talking about being a drunk in the context of an AA confession and you just put out the "I'm a drunk" part, it's misleading.

Posted by: ace at July 20, 2010 09:30 PM (KUUXH)

505 Why cry for someone who should have stayed away from the podium of the putrid NAACP organization, if they couldn't stand by what they said. She was apparently fine with the response of her audience.

So what.... the gun was jumped? Remember how unusual that is. And observe, too, how apologetic some are in the comments. Why so anxious to disassociate yourselves?

The right keeps thinking they have to play with rules. When do we get it? There are no rules.

Posted by: kasper at July 20, 2010 09:31 PM (+pMZ4)

506 500...

You'll fit in nicely here.

Posted by: jmflynny at July 20, 2010 09:31 PM (NHK5s)

507
From free speech land . . . oh, should I have not
deviated from our talking points?You could probably get a time share
here . . . only deposit is a pair of balls.

Posted by: Matthew J. O'Connor at July 20, 2010 09:28 PM (8EEyy)




You sure you didn't come from nobody gives a fuck land? Speaking of your blog....you know, the most awesomest one on the internets maybe you should go tend to it. I'm sure a fuel injected alcohol powered hi-performance machine like that needs plenty of tuning to keep it competition worthy.

Posted by: Blazer at July 20, 2010 09:31 PM (t72+4)

508 Not a nut job - the real deal on the site and conservative all the way.
Having a really fricking bad fricking day.

Posted by: Matthew J. O'Connor at July 20, 2010 09:32 PM (8EEyy)

509 Ashen,

WTF? Did you just get that out of a Lefty Magic 8-Ball?

Posted by: sifty at July 20, 2010 09:32 PM (BimL7)

510 I, uh, um I'm pleased today to come before you to uh, announce the appointoment of Matthew J. O'Connor as, um, Smart Military Blog Czar! Listen to and heed him, crackas!

Posted by: Barack The Wise, First Emperor of Multicultura at July 20, 2010 09:32 PM (2PTT7)

511 GVT. employee :I might help ya if you are white or black and poor.depends on my mood how much effort I'll put into it.

Posted by: willow at July 20, 2010 09:33 PM (SbsTp)

512 Brietbart screwed up y'all. I'm extremely disappointed at this. All Ms. Sherrod was doing was relating a story from her past that opened her eyes to the truth which is that some in politics use race to divide us. Don't let them do it. Stay united. We will not be victims.
Posted by: Ashen at July 20, 2010 09:26 PM (fjUiD)
I think you missed Exit Too Fucking Late off of Highway Go Fuck Yourself.

Posted by: ErikW at July 20, 2010 09:33 PM (E1/9G)

513 Not a nut job

I'll be the judge of that.

Posted by: Nut Job Detector, pinging wildly at July 20, 2010 09:33 PM (E8Z3S)

514 Doesn't sound to me like she's all that color blind now and a recovering racist.
Well of course not. For race baitors and progressives,you must view*everything* through a racial prism. It's the be-all-and-all of what drives their ideology. As we saw in the '08 election, er primaries:
race > gender
Always. Always.
But call their bluff and ask them to qualify their position and you're a racist. De facto racism.
And we're currently waiving the white flag.
Terrific.

Posted by: laceyunderalls at July 20, 2010 09:34 PM (3Ju9j)

515 Brietbart screwed up y'all. I'm extremely
disappointed at this. All Ms. Sherrod was doing was relating a story
from her past that opened her eyes to the truth which is that some in
politics use race to divide us. Don't let them do it. Stay united. We
will not be victims.
What?

Posted by: dagny at July 20, 2010 09:29 PM (jKX8t)




You ever seen that sn here before? Yea, me neither, its concern troll time.

Posted by: Blazer at July 20, 2010 09:35 PM (t72+4)

516 >>>It's bullshit to think she's not just as racist now as she was 24 years ago. I know some of you want to believe the best of her, and only seem to hear the supposed non-racist, good comments she's spewing, but it is what it is.

I think you're missing the point by a mile.

It's not that I don't think she's a racist -- or that I think her story proves she's non-racist.

It's that this tape was supposed to prove she was a racist, and the full story, in context, simply doesn't, leaving us to say "Well I'm sure she's a racist anyhow," which is something we could have said WITHOUT the tape, so what did the tape establish?

It's that this is not proof, and in fact it's not even very good evidence, but it was taken as such initially, including by me.

It's not really about Sherrod (altho, conservative doctrine says we don't convict without evidence, you know).

It's much more about maintaining a brand, maintaining a credible voice -- any of us. We're as credible as our most recent lie, you know. And sometimes the only way to get credibility back is to confess error so that one's last statement was not, in fact, a lie, but a truth, the truth of "I erred."

Doubling down on a lie gets you nowhere, usually, unless 1) you're dealing with retards or 2) it's a very strong lie that people are eager to believe, and I don't think this is a category 2 lie and not enough of the public are category 1 retards yet.

Posted by: ace at July 20, 2010 09:35 PM (KUUXH)

517 Hey I'm not racist.
I hates white cracka mutha f*ckuhs.
*But hey Therehain't no difference between us.*
But still, I hates dos white cracka mutha f*ckuhs
*sips 40*

Posted by: Afro Mojo at July 20, 2010 09:35 PM (wFMDa)

518 She starts to say it's not about black and white then changes it to say that it is. Then she says it's about poor but still about black and white. Suddenly she's cured by the poor statement? I still don't see the redemptive part other than she decided to do her job in the end?? Really?

Posted by: dagny at July 20, 2010 09:36 PM (7s1ej)

519 Having a really fricking bad fricking day.
Posted by: Matthew J. O'Connor at July 20, 2010 09:32 PM (8EEyy)
Why? Is your mother still not receptive to your advances?

Posted by: someguy at July 20, 2010 09:36 PM (YVZlY)

520 516 Blazer,

as a concerned Christian conservative who voted for McCain....insert Queef olberdouche's accusations really concerns me

Posted by: sven10077 at July 20, 2010 09:36 PM (kq1lG)

521 he's leading us there to plant some previously unknown yet devastatingly
evil computer virus into the moron community.
If my computer crashes, I won't be able to warn you.

Posted by: jmflynny at July 20, 2010 09:30 PM (NHK5s)
It certainly wasn't us.

Posted by: XXXhotties.com at July 20, 2010 09:37 PM (bgcml)

522 I'm sure every single one of those folks at that NAACP meeting left there without a racist thought after that rousing tale of redemption.

And maybe applied for a grant or two.

Posted by: sifty at July 20, 2010 09:37 PM (BimL7)

523 I mean, Beck's analogy is right, if he were talking
about being a drunk in the context of an AA confession and you just put
out the "I'm a drunk" part, it's misleading.





Posted by: ace at July 20, 2010 09:30 PM (KUUXH)
Bush is an alkie man! Look he even admits to it. Dude got us into the Iraq war cauz he was drunk!

Posted by: Some Leftist at July 20, 2010 09:38 PM (bgcml)

524 I am always sort of blown away by the suggestion that if we all just get on the same page and repeat the same thing (which many of us know to be untrue, and even more suspect is not entirely true), we can somehow "win" through mere repetition of a falsehood.

I don't know where the hell people are getting this idea that lies are so powerful, or that cult-like repetition of them so persuasive, that this can work.

Well, I guess I do: Because liberals do it. But liberals are armed with something we don't have: Years of state-directed indoctrination at government schools, plus an Amen Corner in the media, plus a huge number of universities, foundations, and scientific groups, etc. to all push on the public the idea that "decent people all believe this."

We don't have that and we can't act as if we do.

We are in a bit of a bind, as we're mostly restricted to the truth.

Posted by: ace at July 20, 2010 09:39 PM (KUUXH)

525 It's that this tape was supposed to prove she was a racist, and the
full story, in context, simply doesn't, leaving us to say "Well I'm
sure she's a racist anyhow," which is something we could have said
WITHOUT the tape, so what did the tape establish?

I disagree. I think this tape was to provide evidence of racism at the NAACP. She just happened to be the one at the microphone. It's the audience we're to listen to, more so than her.

Posted by: Tami at July 20, 2010 09:39 PM (VuLos)

526 It's that this tape was supposed to prove she was a racist
I thought the tape was supposed to prove the NAACP was racist and that she got caught in the crossfire?

Posted by: conscious, but incoherent at July 20, 2010 09:40 PM (YVZlY)

527 Hmmm, sounds like Sherrod got the "macaca treatment."If Sherrod gets her job back, George Allen should be awarded a Senate seat.

Posted by: Tyrtle at July 20, 2010 09:41 PM (tA0wU)

528 Sorry Tami! Same thought process.

Posted by: conscious, but incoherent at July 20, 2010 09:41 PM (YVZlY)

529 It's much more about maintaining a brand, maintaining a credible voice -- any of us. We're as credible as our most recent lie, you know. And sometimes the only way to get credibility back is to confess error so that one's last statement was not, in fact, a lie, but a truth, the truth of "I erred."
So she finds the"errors of her way" to only turn around literally 3 sec's later and says she "sent him to his own kind" .
Can you feel the redemption?
It's magnificent!

Posted by: laceyunderalls at July 20, 2010 09:41 PM (3Ju9j)

530 "to his own kind"

Posted by: willow at July 20, 2010 09:41 PM (SbsTp)

531 528,
Conservanut, Plz?!?

Posted by: your friends at the DNC at July 20, 2010 09:41 PM (kq1lG)

532 Tami,

In context, it's different.

If I'm testifying at a revival-type church, and I am going down the litany of my sins --

I drank !

I did drugs!

I cavorted with loose women!

-- you'd expect a lot of "uh-huhs" at each of those statements from the congregation, but that doesn't mean they ENDORSE that stuff.

Posted by: ace at July 20, 2010 09:41 PM (KUUXH)

533 Concern trollcat iz concerned.

Posted by: chaos at July 20, 2010 09:42 PM (Bpl8G)

534 didn't put Much effort into it..
the chore likes it

Posted by: willow at July 20, 2010 09:42 PM (SbsTp)

535 >>>>I'm sorry. Point me to where she shows she isn't a racist as established by the original comments? Because she ended up doing her job instead of tanking this "superior attitude" guy's farm? Or where she said it was about black and white? or where she said "his own kind"?
The lie is that somehow the rest of the tape exculpiates her.

Posted by: dagny at July 20, 2010 09:42 PM (nb3ey)

536 Did AB ever say that the tape was supposed to prove Shirley Sherrod was racist? Or the NAACP. I think he said the NAACP.

Ever see Quigley Down Under?

When the hot little Italian lady shoots the first dingo, the other dingos all turn on it and tear it to pieces. Looked a lot like this thread.

Posted by: sifty at July 20, 2010 09:42 PM (BimL7)

537 This is like Rathergate. The journalists who pushed this story on the news should resign.

Posted by: blip at July 20, 2010 09:43 PM (Sr5Kc)

538 530 Lacey,
no no see since she is not caught on the tape giving a Scooby-Doo confession that she still uses her bigotry we MUST giver her the benefit of the doubt.....
yeah just like the leftoids did Trent Lott and Strom Thurmond

Posted by: sven10077 at July 20, 2010 09:43 PM (kq1lG)

539 515:

Always. Always.

But call their bluff and ask them to qualify their position and you're a racist. De facto racism.

And we're currently waiving the white flag.

Terrific.


Sure, you are waving a WHITE flag. Why? Because you all are a bunch of cracka RAAACCCCIIIISSSTS!!

Especially given the quote at the top of the blog, you would think you people would occasionally think about waving a BLACK flag, but

YOU

ARE

ALL

CRACKA

RAAACCCCIIIIISSSSTTTTSS!!!!!

Posted by: David, famous soclpuppet at July 20, 2010 09:43 PM (UtoLw)

540 "The lie is that somehow the rest of the tape exculpiates her."

The lie is that this is about Sherrod. That's what the ball-suckers at Media Matters would like you to believe.

Posted by: chaos at July 20, 2010 09:44 PM (Bpl8G)

541 Ace...what this whole thing tells me is that even with the entire speech she gave to the NAACP, she interjects race into all of it. It, in no way, justifies blaming AB as if he did anything wrong.
The entire freakin' speech is laced with racial crap. Now, she may have said some things that are good for those in the audience to hear, but the loudest overtures you hear from that audience is when she denigrates white people.
That is AB's point.

Posted by: Steph at July 20, 2010 09:44 PM (580hG)

542 Ace, the 'uh-huhs' came before she made it clear to them where the story was going. And considering her delivery of the story, the audience was 'uh-huhing' in agreement with what she was saying.

Posted by: Tami at July 20, 2010 09:44 PM (VuLos)

543 The tape was also there to establish the NAACP has racists in it, and while this woman confesses to past racism (um, she thinks that every white dude wants to show how "superior" he is to her), the full story is supposed to be one of how she learned to look past that. I mean, Beck's analogy is right, if he were talking about being a drunk in the context of an AA confession and you just put out the "I'm a drunk" part, it's misleading.
Posted by: ace at July 20, 2010 09:30 PM (KUUXH)
I agree with that. Breitbart didn't err in making the clip public, but I believe he erred in stating that the clip proved that Shirley Sherrod is a racist.
But I am still puzzled as to her personal timeline. In 1965, when she was 17, her father was murdered; at 18, she married Charles Sherrod, who was a prominent figure in the civil rights movement. Twenty years of being married to a civil rights leader, and she still thinks of white people as "their kind"? And it's only when she sees a poor white farmer being ignored by a white lawyer that she realizes that Black and white and Hispanic people are all just people and that a poor white man can't rely on racial solidarity from a white lawyer?
And as others here have pointed out, it's swell that she got past her racial resentment, but it's a shame that she merely replaced it with class resentment.

Posted by: stuiec at July 20, 2010 09:45 PM (7AOgy)

544 533 Ace,
so this was a prayer revival...got you.
You think iof any reason why the NAACP didn't release the whole tape Imean it couldn't be that there were other uplifting tales of redemption with "uh-huh OH YES!" moments that would seem well awkward to use buttoned down non-acrobatic believers?

Posted by: sven10077 at July 20, 2010 09:45 PM (kq1lG)

545 -- you'd expect a lot of "uh-huhs" at each of those statements from the congregation, but that doesn't mean they ENDORSE that stuff.
Posted by: ace at July 20, 2010 09:41 PM (KUUXH)
Kind of like one of my sermons...

Posted by: Jeremiah Wright at July 20, 2010 09:45 PM (YVZlY)

546 We are in a bit of a bind, as we're mostly restricted to the truth.
Posted by: ace at July 20, 2010 09:39 PM (KUUXH)
Part of the reason we are in said bind though it that we allow left wing groups to set the agenda.The left will spout some nonsense - but since they all repeat it people believe there has to be some truth to it. There isn't some, list serve say, where they all get their talking points from, right?

OTOH, whenever a conservative finds a wedge issue, video, etc, that hurts the left, you can bet some "conservative" or even real conservative will step forward to call it beyond the pale.

Is Breitbart's argument as strong today as yesterday? No. Is it still strong enough if we stop with friendly fire? Yes.

Posted by: 18-1 at July 20, 2010 09:45 PM (bgcml)

547 Here's her money quote that supposedly redeemed her:
"There is no difference between us."
Let me translate: "I'm racist just like those white farmers are racist. There's no difference betweenour racism."
Now back to the troll-orgy

Posted by: Afro Mojo at July 20, 2010 09:46 PM (wFMDa)

548 I am always sort of blown away by the suggestion that if we all just get on the same page and repeat the same thing (which many of us know to be untrue, and even more suspect is not entirely true), we can somehow "win" through mere repetition of a falsehood. I don't know where the hell people are getting this idea that lies are so powerful, or that cult-like repetition of them so persuasive, that this can work.
What lies? Am I missing something?

Posted by: ErikW at July 20, 2010 09:47 PM (E1/9G)

549 526...

In the initial clip, the applause is damning, but she got just as much applause, if not more, when she chided the black community for not setting higher standards for themselves and for their future. Likewise when she spoke to how the youth waste their money so foolishly on things like cell phones.

Posted by: jmflynny at July 20, 2010 09:47 PM (NHK5s)

550 Honestly who gives a fuck? "Macaca" was enough even after the explanation of it, which should have ended the controversy.

When a conservative says something that is seen as iffy, that's the end of it. No excuses, no explanations, no rationalization.

When a libtard does it, we have to see "the context" and "get the whole story." Well you can fuck off, libtard standards are good enough for libtards too.

Posted by: chaos at July 20, 2010 09:47 PM (Bpl8G)

551 David,

Please see 537. Please make your response something other than RAH RAH TEAM! WE JUST HAVE TO WANT THIS MORE!! PUSH!! PUSH!! and other such crap.

Posted by: ace at July 20, 2010 09:47 PM (KUUXH)

552 >>>What lies? Am I missing something?

Well, like the original cut of the tape being incomplete, or not having the full story, etc.

Posted by: ace at July 20, 2010 09:49 PM (KUUXH)

553 you'd expect a lot of "uh-huhs" at each of those statements from the congregation, but that doesn't mean they ENDORSE that stuff
What?
So you'resaying the NAACPonly needs an after-school special on peer pressure and how they should stand up for what they believe and not be bullied into the camaraderie of the moment?
Why do they get a pass for supprting statements cloaked in assholery?

Posted by: laceyunderalls at July 20, 2010 09:49 PM (3Ju9j)

554 svem hell they call us all racists, because we aren't Dem's.
anyone here think they wouldn't lose their job if you toldpublically you didn't want to help another soul because of their color or because they were a MAN or maybe a woman or maybe a christian or a jew??

Posted by: willow at July 20, 2010 09:49 PM (SbsTp)

555 When a libtard does it, we have to see "the context"
and "get the whole story." Well you can fuck off, libtard standards are
good enough for libtards too.

Posted by: chaos at July 20, 2010 09:47 PM (Bpl8G)
What's good for the goose...

Posted by: 18-1 at July 20, 2010 09:49 PM (bgcml)

556 >>>Honestly who gives a fuck? "Macaca" was enough even after the explanation of it, which should have ended the controversy.

The explanation was that the term was Portuguese or something and meant "darkie."

But that he'd heard his mother say it and didn't know what it meant.

(But then used it appropriately for a darker-skinned Indian.)

Not really a great explanation.

I mean, a little racial taunt maybe isn't such a hanging offense, but I dont' get your claim that the explanation cleared it all up.

Posted by: ace at July 20, 2010 09:51 PM (KUUXH)

557 Posted by: ace at July 20, 2010 09:35
PM (KUUXH)






ace, I think you need to give Breitbart the benefit of the doubt here
and wait a few more days before condemning the man. Nothing this woman
says during the course of the rest of speech exonerates her for anything
she claims she did in the past and she didn't apologize once for it.


Also when doing the intro for her come to jesus moment she said;

".....I mean this isn't about black or white.....I mean it is about black and white......."

That doesn't sound to me like someone who is being apologetic or is seeking redemption.


What I heard is basically that she grew out of her racism and into
communism, but thats just me. Not to mention the other half of the tape
issued by the NAACP is clearly edited at the 21;00 mark and I think that
is where Breitbart sets the bait. If by this Friday Breitbart doesn't
deliver on more then by all means have at it.



The guy sliced like a hammer on the other stuff he delivered I see no
reason why he would make a mistake here, or at least the one you're claiming he made, but there's a first time for
anything.

Posted by: Blazer at July 20, 2010 09:51 PM (t72+4)

558 This is getting silly. And sensitive. All we are missing is bicycles and pictures of ships.


Posted by: sifty at July 20, 2010 09:51 PM (BimL7)

559 552 Ace,
I respect your point on "we need to be honest" sincerely I just think your dismissal of our need not to go pack of dingos at the drop of a hat to be shortsighted.
The point in the manuever was "the high and holy pure guardians of the R bomb" the NAACP asked us to renounce "the obvious racist elements in the tea party" an attempt to this moron's view to force us into a KafkaBox.
Breibart pointed out "the NAACP has its own people to denounce"....

look taken in context Chairman Soetoro throwing her under the bus with speed, a lack of grace, and wild aplomb shows "he got the narrative" before we wllowed the Jlist refugees to say 'wait the tape doesn't prove she is a racist".....
well no it does prove she is a racist but the point was she is speaking to a bigoty revival.

Posted by: sven10077 at July 20, 2010 09:51 PM (kq1lG)

560 "Well, like the original cut of the tape being incomplete, or not having
the full story, etc."

Again, who cares? The reaction of the crowd is more than enough to draw conclusions. Her heartwarming story about how she was a bitch because the guy was white and then she had an epiphany - and sure let's take her at her word - is irrelevant.

And of course we have to look at the "bigger picture," don't we? She knew what kind of audience she was talking to, she knew what to say to get them laughing and clapping and in a good mood: TALK SHIT ON WHITEY.

Posted by: chaos at July 20, 2010 09:52 PM (Bpl8G)

561 The NAACP came out with a declaration that the TEA party was "racist". This declaration was made to discredit the TEA party on NO evidence in an effort to take it off message and harm the brank.
Brietbart published the video to show that statements made at NAACP meetings and the reaction of the NAACP audience were not racially blind.
I personally don't see her redemption. If a white person said it was about black and white, said "his own kind" etc, they would be permanenty painted with the racist label, whether or not they came to Jesus and realized that somewhere in there is a class struggle too.

Posted by: dagny at July 20, 2010 09:52 PM (IlSy6)

562 >>>ace, I think you need to give Breitbart the benefit of the doubt here and wait a few more days before condemning the man.

Well I don't think he edited it. I think it was passed to him in this form, and he didn't have the rest of it, and etc.

Hey, it grabbed me! It's not about "blame." I'd've made the same error (and in fact did).

Posted by: ace at July 20, 2010 09:52 PM (KUUXH)

563 She admitted that this was about color. That this was about historical grievance. That this was a political issue to her.

I'm really not sure that further action on her part makes amends.

Her initial reaction was that of a racist, so a racist she remains.

Racism is always a function of first reaction.

Posted by: Herr Morgenholz at July 20, 2010 09:52 PM (h/zKr)

564 Hey, just because I sat in the Trinity United Church of Christ for 20 years doesn't mean I actually agree with Rev Wright. I just went for the Wednesday pot-luck. Oh and GODDAMN AMERICA! and peace out and shit.
Damn those teabaggers are some racist mofos!

Posted by: Barry Hoos-wright Obama at July 20, 2010 09:53 PM (wFMDa)

565 wouldn't it be really nice if racism took a flying leap off a bridge onto the tracks of an oncoming train.

Posted by: willow at July 20, 2010 09:53 PM (SbsTp)

566 Well... but he put the tape out there, right, vouching (implicitly) for its completeness and accuracy. I mean, it's not like it just got into the media on its own. The tape was also there to establish the NAACP has racists in it, and while this woman confesses to past racism (um, she thinks that every white dude wants to show how "superior" he is to her), the full story is supposed to be one of how she learned to look past that. I mean, Beck's analogy is right, if he were talking about being a drunk in the context of an AA confession and you just put out the "I'm a drunk" part, it's misleading.
Posted by: ace at July 20, 2010 09:30 PM (KUUXH)
That's bs, he didn't vouch for it's completeness. When you watch what Brietbart put out you can tell immediately that the tape was cut off before her speech was over.
I have to agree with Vilsack on this one. He said it doesn't matter what she said after the tape was cut off. It's what she said before it was cut off.

Posted by: robtr at July 20, 2010 09:53 PM (fwSHf)

567 you know the whole video is available now.

Posted by: ace at July 20, 2010 09:53 PM (KUUXH)

568 "I mean, a little racial taunt maybe isn't such a hanging offense, but I
dont' get your claim that the explanation cleared it all up.
"

"I didn't know what it meant" is good enough for me. What's so hard to understand about that?

Remember, we're using libtard standards here. Sherrod gave her hilarious explanation and we have to swallow it whole, but George Allen or whatever his name is, well that can't be true, he's a Republican so he's racist by default and any explanation he gives is obviously crap?


Posted by: chaos at July 20, 2010 09:53 PM (Bpl8G)

569 555 Willow,
if an NCO snaps his fingers to get a squad moving with "motion to task" and a private whines it becomes a "teachable moment" depending on the racial triginometry involved....
yeah no we don't have the "his own kind out of jail free" card

Posted by: sven10077 at July 20, 2010 09:54 PM (kq1lG)

570 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E9NcCa_KjXk&feature=player_embedded

Posted by: ace at July 20, 2010 09:54 PM (KUUXH)

571 you know the whole video is available now.
Posted by: ace at July 20, 2010 09:53 PM (KUUXH)
Yeah and it's edited at 21.02, wonder why.

Posted by: robtr at July 20, 2010 09:55 PM (fwSHf)

572

-- you'd expect a lot of "uh-huhs" at each of those statements from the
congregation, but that doesn't mean they ENDORSE that stuff.







Posted by: ace at July 20, 2010 09:41 PM (KUUXH)
The NAACP tried to kneecap the TP with a fucking fictitious racecard and we need to give them the benefit of the doubt because maybe we didn't see something that would clarify their obvious approval of Sherrod's racism?Methinks you're pulling an AP style Stokeramma here Ace.

Posted by: ontherocks at July 20, 2010 09:55 PM (HBqDo)

573 >>"I didn't know what it meant" is good enough for me. What's so hard to understand about that?

Yeah well if I say "I didn't know what porch monkey meant" but manage to accurately direct it at blacks, you know, whatever.

Posted by: ace at July 20, 2010 09:55 PM (KUUXH)

574 The lie is that somehow the rest of the tape exculpiates her
I agree
I just listened to the entire tape. She may have had a come to Jesus moment with the white dude losing his farm, but the rest of her talk was very much us vs them.It's the tired rich folksis keeping us down bs. Only difference is that she will allow poor white people to join in her misery club now.


Posted by: Naan at July 20, 2010 09:55 PM (GARYj)

575 568 Ace,

yup I gave a "joined in progress" flow of consciousness report on it and rewatched it....
can you tell me by minute when she redeems herself from seeing things mostly through the prism of race and the zero-sum calculus of "we need to fill our non-overt quotas"?

Posted by: sven10077 at July 20, 2010 09:56 PM (kq1lG)

576 Wow. So, basically Breitbart released the tape as a reply to the denunciation of the tea party movement as racist by the NAACP, to prove that the NAACP itself is a racist organization. And, the tape obviously does prove this point, based on the cheering of the crowd and even the text of the womans speech. Yet because the White House takes this opportunity to fire this womanprobably because she is a thorn in their side for other reasons, now even those in the conservative movement are willing to emulate the White House and throw Breitbart under the bus. Even though his point was only that NAACP is a racist organization, not that this woman (who nobody had ever heard of anyway) should be fired.

Sure, Becks point that it is creepy that White House is calling people up and making them resign is a valid one, but that is a separate issue.

Not to mention the fact that despite how heart warming her epiphany about helping white people is, based on the her recounting of the story, she broke federal law by discriminating against white people in the allocation of monies (may not discriminate based on race works both ways folks).

Yet, somehow, once again this is about conservatives needing to back down and not make a big deal or a fuss or not emulate the liberals in how they propagate falsehoods.

Yeah, lets continue to shut up and not rock the boat and lets continue to base our attacks on only the truth and lets cower at the racist meme. BECAUSE THAT HAS BEEN WORKING SO WELL FOR US.

Sometimes I think we deserve to be governed by the idiots we have in office now.

Posted by: ParanoidGirlInSeattle at July 20, 2010 09:56 PM (RZ8pf)

577 It's much more about maintaining a brand, maintaining a credible voice -- any of us. We're as credible as our most recent lie, you know. And sometimes the only way to get credibility back is to confess error so that one's last statement was not, in fact, a lie, but a truth, the truth of "I erred." Doubling down on a lie gets you nowhere, usually, unless 1) you're dealing with retards or 2) it's a very strong lie that people are eager to believe, and I don't think this is a category 2 lie and not enough of the public are category 1 retards yet.
Posted by: ace at July 20, 2010 09:35 PM (KUUXH)
Well, it will be a lot easier for Breitbart to say, "Gee, in its full form, I guess the tape shows how Ms. Sherrod overcame her past racial animosity; I apologize for calling her racist" than it will be for the USDA and the White House to apologize for firing her on a hair trigger. Even the NAACP's walkback seems pretty weak, given that they apparently had no idea who she or her husband were -- they're kind of a big deal in Georgia -- and were all too ready to denounce her in order to save themselves.
The best play for Breitbart at this point would be to say, "Gee, so this is what it's like when an organization faces flimsy charges of racism -- they're supposed to turn on their own just because some outsider tells them to. Perhaps the NAACP, having decided that I 'bamboozled' them with a charge of racism, can now understand that the TEA Party movement declines to be bamboozled by the NAACP's even flimsier charges of racism."
(And anyone who's still calling Shirley Sherrod a stone-cold racist: watch the longer video. She is not a Black supremacist, a Black separatist or a whitey-hater, though arguably she was one or more of those things back in 1986 at the time her story is set. And at that time, she was not a government employee doling out government funds, though arguably the non-profit she was with might have lost its tax-exempt status if she had persisted in racial discrimination towards its clients.)

Posted by: stuiec at July 20, 2010 09:57 PM (7AOgy)

578 "Yeah well if I say "I didn't know what porch monkey meant" but manage to
accurately direct it at blacks, you know, whatever"

Yeah well comparing "porch monkey" to "macaca" is a bit of a stretch. He said his mother said it to him when he was a very young child and IIRC he never knew it was racial, it was just something his mother said it to him when he was being a little shit like very young children are. But hell you keep riding that horse if you want.

Posted by: chaos at July 20, 2010 09:58 PM (Bpl8G)

579 Well I don't think he edited it. I think it was
passed to him in this form, and he didn't have the rest of it, and etc.





Hey, it grabbed me! It's not about "blame." I'd've made the same error
(and in fact did).







Posted by: ace at July 20, 2010 09:52 PM (KUUXH)





No, the other half that the NAACP posted on their website is edited at the 21:00 mark, not the half Breitbart has. Watch it. Somethings missing.

Posted by: Blazer at July 20, 2010 09:58 PM (t72+4)

580
568 you know the whole video is available now.
Posted by: ace at July 20, 2010 09:53 PM (KUUXH)
Really? Without the conspicuous NAACP-friendlyedit at the 21:01 mark during the "white farmer" part?

Posted by: Afro Mojo at July 20, 2010 09:59 PM (wFMDa)

581 577 PGiS,
and uh I am glad you think so....

no seriously PGiS if we don't outgrow the circular firing squad as our initial reaction to the newsies running their playbook we will be governed by these clowns forever....
the notion that there is some magical combination of pure truth that will defeat these hypocrits like a magic bullet is charming....
we run a multi-faceted offense

1) the credible guys
2) the flamethrower Alinsky rightist guys
3) and the moron clown car mafia

Posted by: Barack T. Ogabe esq. at July 20, 2010 10:00 PM (kq1lG)

582 The explanation was that the term was Portuguese or something and meant
"darkie."



But that he'd heard his mother say it and didn't know what it meant.

As I recall, his explanation was he meant to make a play on "mohawk" since the guy had one. As for the term macaca, it was used in colonial south Africa. That the guy supposedly picked up the term from his Tunisian mother is a rather extreme stretch, and then used it not on someone of African decent, but Indian...well...you'd have to be in the State Media to buy that...

Posted by: 18-1 at July 20, 2010 10:00 PM (bgcml)

583 I just listened to the entire tape. She may have had a come to Jesus moment with the white dude losing his farm, but the rest of her talk was very much us vs them.It's the tired rich folksis keeping us down bs. Only difference is that she will allow poor white people to join in her misery club now.
Posted by: Naan at July 20, 2010 09:55 PM (GARYj)
Well, unfortunately, "CLAAAAAAAAASSSISSSSTTT!" doesn't really work as an epithet in the same way "RAAAAAAAACISSSTTT!" does in today's America. It SHOULD, but it doesn't.

Posted by: stuiec at July 20, 2010 10:00 PM (7AOgy)

584 Since the tape was edited, I guess that makes letting Uhuru Shabazz Shamwow off the hook a reasonable outcome.

And, yes, "non sequitor" is the only thing I remember from high school Latin.

Posted by: Herr Morgenholz at July 20, 2010 10:01 PM (h/zKr)

585 When did ace turn into a concern troll btw? Pick any leftist you want and there's a list of lies a mile long. Sure doesn't seem to hurt their credibility, does it? But any time there's some flimsy rationalization for accusing a conservative of being dishonest, oh my we must wring our hands and start flagellating ourselves to show we didn't mean it and we're sorry, even if we did nothing wrong. I say bullshit. And I certainly don't see why "ace" is accepting the Media Mutters argument as to what happened.

This is why libtards control the media narrative. They just brazenly do whatever they want, apologize for nothing, while we conservatives shoot ourselves in the foot every time they lie about us and say we lied.

Breitbart has it right. Fuck them, don't apologize for shit, they can go to hell. We're not here to apologize to Media Mutters and hand the Democrats advantages by slowing our momentum, we're here to beat the Democratic Party at elections. Concern trolls can fuck off.

Posted by: chaos at July 20, 2010 10:02 PM (Bpl8G)

586 Really? Without the conspicuous NAACP-friendlyedit at the 21:01 mark during the "white farmer" part?
Nothing to see here. Move along now.

Posted by: NAACP Video Editing People at July 20, 2010 10:03 PM (YVZlY)

587 paranoidgirlinseattle: Yes
Stuiec: And anyone who's still calling Shirley Sherrod a stone-cold racist: watch the longer video.
I did and I don't see her redemption. I don't see Malik Zulu Shabazz but I don't see Clarence Thomas either. She is still using phrases, that if reversed, would condemn any white.
Remember Jimmy the Greek?

Posted by: dagny at July 20, 2010 10:03 PM (IlSy6)

588 >>>Breitbart has it right. Fuck them, don't apologize for shit, they can go to hell. We're not here to apologize to Media Mutters and hand the Democrats advantages by slowing our momentum, we're here to beat the Democratic Party at elections. Concern trolls can fuck off.

yeah, well, you're a fucking moron. Good luck with that, shit for brains.

Posted by: ace at July 20, 2010 10:04 PM (KUUXH)

589 The trolls on HotAir are saying that the NAACP are claiming they had to put in a new tape at the 21:01 mark.
One little problem here:
Thetape at that point does a fast fade-in after the break, as opposed to a an abrupt break. This thing has obviously been edited and the NAACP is lying their asses off.
The plot thickens trolls.

Posted by: Afro Mojo at July 20, 2010 10:04 PM (wFMDa)

590 And anyone who's still calling Shirley Sherrod a stone-cold racist

I did the minimum.

Posted by: Shirley "Suck it Honkey!" Sherrod at July 20, 2010 10:05 PM (h/zKr)

591 585 Since the tape was edited, I guess that makes letting Uhuru Shabazz Shamwow off the hook a reasonable outcome.And, yes, "non sequitor" is the only thing I remember from high school Latin.
Posted by: Herr Morgenholz at July 20, 2010 10:01 PM (h/zKr)
He redeemed himself right after he said they need to kill white cracka babies...

Posted by: NAACP Video Editing People at July 20, 2010 10:05 PM (YVZlY)

592 I can't believe we're arguing about whether Sherrod is racist or should be given the benefit of the doubt in the same thread that people are telling me George Allen didn't know "macaca" meant "monkey" and that I should accept his word for that.

You guys are pointing out double-standards -- hey, any one notice their own indulgence in double-standards?

Posted by: ace at July 20, 2010 10:05 PM (KUUXH)

593 589 Ace,
how well for say the last 18 years has playing the Rogers' Rules of order game with Saul Alinsky and his grandkids been working for us?

not a flame I am curious what 'victory" looks like to you and how you think we get there?

Posted by: Barack T. Ogabe esq. at July 20, 2010 10:06 PM (kq1lG)

594 "yeah, well, you're a fucking moron. Good luck with that, shit for
brains."

rofl why don't you get back to trimming Boehlert's ass hairs, concern troll.

Posted by: chaos at July 20, 2010 10:06 PM (Bpl8G)

595 chaos,

Why don't you talk some more tough shit, internet tough-guy faggot?

Posted by: ace at July 20, 2010 10:07 PM (KUUXH)

596 begone sock

Posted by: sven10077 at July 20, 2010 10:07 PM (kq1lG)

597 man feel the unity....I hope we can maintain our close ranks up until November.....
got 'em right where we want 'em eh?

Posted by: sven10077 at July 20, 2010 10:08 PM (kq1lG)

598 589
>>>Breitbart has it right. Fuck them, don't apologize for shit,
they can go to hell. We're not here to apologize to Media Mutters and
hand the Democrats advantages by slowing our momentum, we're here to
beat the Democratic Party at elections. Concern trolls can fuck off.





yeah, well, you're a fucking moron. Good luck with that, shit for brains.







Posted by: ace at July 20, 2010 10:04 PM (KUUXH)
He's right and you're 100% wrong on this Ace, bought you definitely broughta full gas can to the argument AP I mean Ace.

Posted by: ontherocks at July 20, 2010 10:08 PM (HBqDo)

599 As I recall, his explanation was he meant to make a play on "mohawk" since the guy had one. As for the term macaca, it was used in colonial south Africa. That the guy supposedly picked up the term from his Tunisian mother is a rather extreme stretch, and then used it not on someone of African decent, but Indian...well...you'd have to be in the State Media to buy that...
I lived across the street from him for years when he was a congressman. The mother isa serious piece of work. George too. I never understood how Susan put up with either of them. I could completely see his mother saying anything and George having no clue.

Posted by: dagny at July 20, 2010 10:08 PM (iSbCD)

600 I agree...

Posted by: Libertarian at July 20, 2010 10:08 PM (gtpH8)

601 594,

I don't even care so much about ethics. I care about the fact that this is a STUPID LIE that WILL NOT WORK and yet the case is being made "hey, let's try it."

There is a saying: It's not a crime, it's a mistake. Meaning worse than a crime.

Sometimes this attitude of never-give-an-inch winds up compelling people to take absurd positions, somehow convincing themselves they'll turn everything around and win the point, some day.

Well, I guess maybe, but I'd evaluate how strong your hand is here before you call all-in.

Posted by: ace at July 20, 2010 10:09 PM (KUUXH)

602 I did and I don't see her redemption. I don't see Malik Zulu Shabazz but I don't see Clarence Thomas either. She is still using phrases, that if reversed, would condemn any white.
There is no redemption. It's all wink, wink, nudge, nudge CYA codespeak for Down With Whitey.

Posted by: ErikW at July 20, 2010 10:09 PM (E1/9G)

603 Lets let people live free. Its the only way.. Libertarian

Posted by: Libertarian at July 20, 2010 10:10 PM (gtpH8)

604 "Why don't you talk some more tough shit, internet tough-guy faggot?"

Sure, mr. "you're a fucking moron" "shit for brains"

Tell me have you ever taken too long shampooing Boehlert's just-neatly trimmed ass hairs and were still there when the "Senior Fellows" orgy started?

Posted by: chaos at July 20, 2010 10:10 PM (Bpl8G)

605 Jake Tapper and ABC fucked Big Government over pretty good tonight. Had me believing Breitbart had been had.

Posted by: doom_n_gloom at July 20, 2010 10:11 PM (LNOg6)

606
I can't believe we're arguing about whether Sherrod is racist or should
be given the benefit of the doubt

Oh, fuck dude. I can believe it. Ring the bell, slobber like a racist, Pavlov would've been an NBC anchor if he had seven fewer neurons.

The libs have conditioned us to be more afraid of the "racist" label than they are. So we're self-policing, and anal about it, and just rolling in our own shit to stamp out any possibility of it while they exploit the black voter and their black voters stand outside polling places with blackjacks in their hands chasing away old white grandmothers.

Fuck. This ain't hard. We're losing becuase we're polite.

Posted by: Shirley at July 20, 2010 10:11 PM (h/zKr)

607 Doh!

Posted by: Herr Morgenholz at July 20, 2010 10:11 PM (h/zKr)

608 I smell cock! That always reminds me of Thanksgiving.

Posted by: chaos at July 20, 2010 10:12 PM (Bpl8G)

609 chaos, where did you come from, exactly?

Posted by: ace at July 20, 2010 10:12 PM (KUUXH)

610 Ace, please explain to me how it's a lie. I don't think I understand your point in this.

Posted by: Steph at July 20, 2010 10:13 PM (580hG)

611 Ah Jeebus. Now the fuckin mop boy from the peep show is here to stink up the place. How you doin tonight raygun?

Posted by: sifty at July 20, 2010 10:13 PM (BimL7)

612 Chaos,

It was nice having you. Bye-bye.

Posted by: ace at July 20, 2010 10:13 PM (KUUXH)

613 I don't even care so much about ethics. I care about the fact that this is a STUPID LIE that WILL NOT WORK and yet the case is being made "hey, let's try it."
What's a lie? She said what she said on both tapes. She admits to refusing service to the guy because he was whiteand he almost lost his farm because of it.
She claims she did step in at the last minute before his place was sold on the courthouse steps and undid the damage she had previously done.
I am not seeing the lie on Brietbarts part which is who I take it you are accusing.

Posted by: robtr at July 20, 2010 10:14 PM (fwSHf)

614 Still don't see the lie.
Wait, did I miss the part where she endorsed Sarah Palin because she's "one of us"?
Where is the redemption? Where she said she helped him despite his color? Is that it?

Posted by: dagny at July 20, 2010 10:14 PM (iSbCD)

615 I eat dick, and rather greedily, if I do say so myself! (giggle!)

Posted by: chaos at July 20, 2010 10:14 PM (Bpl8G)

616 It seems that some people are confusing polite with decent.

John McCain wasn't overly decent in his campaign or in his debates, he was overly polite.

He could have....should have...pointed out every single weakness and every single questionable action of BHO. He didn't. He wasn't posing as an elder statesman, he was accepting his fate as a weak little old man who had lost his fight.

The fight can be won by being decent and fair, but not by being polite. It is not impolite to tell the truth and to harp on it until it gets the recognition it deserves. How we can think that half-truths and screaming from the rafters is going to win anything is beyond me.

Screaming louder doesn't make you right, it just means that a whole lot more people can hear you being wrong.

Posted by: jmflynny at July 20, 2010 10:14 PM (NHK5s)

617 I'm surprised how many people here seem shocked, shocked! that Sherrod would make a racially tinged speech at the NAACP. That's what the NAACP does. That's all the NAACP does. That and put out press releases calling everyone else a racist.

But still we are supposed to pretend that they are a relevant and act shocked that politicians and bureaucrats pander to a group that has a patently race based agenda.

Bizzaro world.

Posted by: JackStraw at July 20, 2010 10:15 PM (VW9/y)

618 Ah Jeebus. Now the fuckin mop boy from the peep show is here to stink up the place. How you doin tonight raygun?

I am so Gd snocked... I do love the spell check on this site...

Posted by: Libertarian at July 20, 2010 10:15 PM (gtpH8)

619 >>>Ace, please explain to me how it's a lie.

The woman begins the discussion -- in a part that was edited from the first tape -- talking about a vow she'd made to only help black people, but NOW she realizes that's wrong, it's about poor people, not just black people.

Further, the tape claims in the narration (text) portion that she is talking about disciminating against people now. She is talking about something she did 25 years ago which, according to her, is something she's now learned not to do.

Posted by: ace at July 20, 2010 10:16 PM (KUUXH)

620 "Mistake Of Intent On Obama's Part?"

Well, no. Obama just reiterated that he supports her removal. And for good reason, since she openly admits to treating a white man much worse than she'd have treated a black man, and without even the slightest regret. Why she's pleased with herself for eventually helping the white man at all, after months of problems he had because of her not doing the full force she could do for him.

Unrepentant racism, and applause from the crowd.

Posted by: Legendary Film Star Rick Moranis at July 20, 2010 10:16 PM (dUOK+)

621 602 Ace,
I respect that I just disagree, look visualize this interplay between the M$M, NAACP, AB, us, and Fox as Aikido....
you allowed yourself to have your grip on the NAACP's racism deflected by a moral and semantical argument about Sherrod's personal racist street cred.....
The right move would have been to follow their playbook and keep driving home the play.....
it is in their tactical manual "make the opponent live up to their own rules" and we give away that game EVERY time without fail trying to be boyscouts with the Mongol horde.

Posted by: sven10077 at July 20, 2010 10:17 PM (kq1lG)

622 I love this site

Posted by: Libertarian at July 20, 2010 10:18 PM (gtpH8)

623 a vow she'd made to only help black people, but NOW she realizes that's
wrong, it's about poor people, not just black people.

So she's a REFORMED racist? Well, Zombie Bob Byrd is relieved.

Just get these damned Mexicans off my yard, and I'll feel sorry about it in 20 years or so.


Posted by: Herr Morgenholz at July 20, 2010 10:18 PM (h/zKr)

624 "The woman begins the discussion -- in a part that was edited from the
first tape -- talking about a vow she'd made to only help black people,
but NOW she realizes that's wrong, it's about poor people, not just
black people."

No, it's about black people, and sometimes helping a white person if they are really really really in trouble, but she doesn't help them as much as black people, and shows no contrition for the racism.

she repeated the notion that blacks should help blacks several times. She usually doesn't challenge that in the slightest, at one point going on about how sad it is that blacks don't help blacks on this basis, the way they did in the past.

Sorry, but just because she eventually helped this white farmer doesn't mean she did right by him. And she doesn't even seem to realize that helping a white guy a little, while helping blacks much more, is wrong. She's certainly not saying that's wrong. She's certainly not abandoning racism for a war on poverty. she's just seeing two fights and negotiating the tension when sometimes a poor person in need is white.

Posted by: Legendary Film Star Rick Moranis at July 20, 2010 10:19 PM (dUOK+)

625 Herr,

Well, dude, if she's confessing she WAS a racist, but now claims she is NOT, then a tape that claims she is admitting to be a racist NOW is false, is it not?

Posted by: ace at July 20, 2010 10:19 PM (KUUXH)

626 but NOW she realizes that's wrong, it's about poor people, not just black people.
She says, "It's not about black and white....I mean it is about black and white but it's also about poor."
Still about black and white according to Shirley.

Posted by: dagny at July 20, 2010 10:20 PM (vk55P)

627 but NOW she realizes that's wrong, it's about poor people, not just black people.
And then she turns around to say she sent him to his 'own kind' (I hate to be the broken record here, but people are completely glossing over this not so minor detail to the story).
If I say that at my job tomorrow. I'm canned. No HR meetings. No sensitivity bullshit training. Cya 'lacey'. Don't hit the door hit you and your underalls on yoru way out, you bigoted bitch. That's the goodbye I get. As it shold be.

Posted by: laceyunderalls at July 20, 2010 10:20 PM (3Ju9j)

628 I love this site because It sounds like Jesus.

Rhyme and reason?

Posted by: Libertarian at July 20, 2010 10:21 PM (gtpH8)

629 Stuiec: And anyone who's still calling Shirley Sherrod a stone-cold racist: watch the longer video.
I did and I don't see her redemption. I don't see Malik Zulu Shabazz but I don't see Clarence Thomas either. She is still using phrases, that if reversed, would condemn any white.
Remember Jimmy the Greek?
Posted by: dagny at July 20, 2010 10:03 PM (IlSy6)
From 18:38, when she foreshadows by saying, "It opened my eyes," to
She says she figured the white lawyer was taking care of the white man (an assumption of racial solidarity). Then when she hears the lawyer tell the farmer to just let the farm go, she realizes that the white lawyer wasn't showing that racial solidarity. At 20:40, when the farmer calls again to let her know the lawyer is still doing nothing, she suddenly decides to work to help him and finds him -- not necessarily a Black lawyer -- but a lawyer who'd helped a Black farmer (thus demonstrably competent). I wish I knew what was in the missing segment in the edit at 21:00.
Then she voices her epiphany that it's about rich vs. poor. She goes on to illustrate that with her historical anecdote about white and Black indentured servants regarding one another as equals and how the rich elites decided "they needed to do something about this, to divide them" and created race-based slavery. At 23:25, she clearly expresses that there is no difference between people based on race, only based on money and power. Later she quotes Toni Morrison about trying to create a future in which "race exists, but it doesn't matter."
For Ms. Sherrod, racism is a tool the rich and powerful use to keep the poor people at each other's throats rather than working together to take power. Thus her tale of redemption is not about losing her racism but about replacing it with class envy.
(I also think she undercuts her exhortations to young Black people to excel by recommending that they go into government service and seek government money.)

Posted by: stuiec at July 20, 2010 10:23 PM (7AOgy)

630 Might as well beat the wife and cheat on her while I discriminate against minorities and abuse positions of power. After all, it won't matter if I repent 25 years later at a Klan rally. And nobody better hold it against me!

Maybe I'll become a drunk again to give me extra Misery Credits for my Redemption Story.


Posted by: sifty at July 20, 2010 10:23 PM (BimL7)

631 Why this video is BS as is Breitbart's "it was never about Sherrod just the crowd"...

Watch the text intro to the short edit version. It is all about Sherrod, nothing about the crowd.

Then there's this....


"Ms. Sherrod, in her federally appointed position, overseeing a
billion
dollars she discriminates against people due to their race".



That is 100% false. Full stop and end of story. Breitbart should retract the video for that part alone. I don't know if he or the person who sent it to him added that but it's indefensible.

Posted by: DrewM. at July 20, 2010 10:23 PM (X/Lqh)

632 hmm. how many gvt.dems in power have been fired because of their racist past?
so why did the wh want her let go?

Posted by: willow at July 20, 2010 10:24 PM (SbsTp)

633 I love this site because It sounds like Jesus.Rhyme and reason?
Posted by: Libertarian at July 20, 2010 10:21 PM (gtpH
Did you watch a rerun of Scrubs last night?

Posted by: ErikW at July 20, 2010 10:24 PM (E1/9G)

634 "I don't even care so much about ethics. I care about the fact that this
is a STUPID LIE that WILL NOT WORK and yet the case is being made "hey,
let's try it."
"

If you have watched the entire video, watch it again when you're sober, Ace.

I know you're very smart and I know you're honorable. I just can't believe you'd say it's a lie that this is a disgusting example of the NAACP's racism. And it should be obvious that Sherrod should have lost her job because she doesn't want to treat people the same regardless of race.

She let that white farmer wither for months, and she's happy with how she treated him.

If you haven't watched the video, well, I hardly blame you. I did, and it was a terrible speech.

If you don't want to use your time and blog to condemn this particular racist, that's cool. It's not significant.

But the people who are condemning her are right. Breitbart OBVIOUSLY cut nothing. The full video has so much stuff he would have wanted to include. His brand isn't damaged, despite the 'serious questions about whether his brand is damaged'. He didn't lie. I'm not saying you called him a liar, but let's be frank: he's taken a hit from a lot of right wing pundits for something he didn't do wrong. He limited his argument to what he could prove and didn't exclude any repentance for racism on Shirley Sherrod's part (there isn't any).


Posted by: Legendary Film Star Rick Moranis at July 20, 2010 10:25 PM (dUOK+)

635 Breitbart might well have been setup

Posted by: jmflynny at July 20, 2010 10:25 PM (NHK5s)

636 Is that the point? Her overcoming her racist past and finding redemption (nice story arc) or is it that the NAACP has no business considering itself the supreme moral authority on defining who is and isnt racist? Throwing stones/glass houses and all that. She was nothing more than collateral damage. I cannot work up too much pity. Sorry. Tomuch talk about racism has made me numb.

Posted by: lauren at July 20, 2010 10:26 PM (MVwBA)

637 Ace, you say she claims that she is not now racist, but her actual words say otherwise. Just because she, now, helps poor white people doesn't change that.
I know that when you give a speech you should know your audience, and believe me, she knew her audience. That's what the point is.

Posted by: Steph at July 20, 2010 10:26 PM (580hG)

638 633 Drew M.
The speech in which she ABSOLUTELY uses racially charged prisms and constructs would get a white man fired within a half year after an investigation.....

you tell me with a straight face that had a man given the EXACT same "praise jesus i now know my hate against the darkie was wrong it was the poor trash of all kinds I shoulda hated" funhouse mirror speech she was giving in the whole video at say StormFront it'd all be "cool".....

Posted by: sven10077 at July 20, 2010 10:26 PM (kq1lG)

639 If I say that at my job tomorrow. I'm canned. No HR meetings. No sensitivity bullshit training. Cya 'lacey'. Don't hit the door hit you and your underalls on yoru way out, you bigoted bitch. That's the goodbye I get. As it shold be.
Posted by: laceyunderalls at July 20, 2010 10:20 PM (3Ju9j)
But after she sends the farmer off to "one of his own kind," she has an epiphany: the white lawyer doesn't do a good job for his white client! Maybe it's not all about racial solidarity -- maybe it's about rich vs. poor!
Like I said, she trades racial resentment for class resentment. But "CLASSIST!" doesn't get you fired for bigotry like "RACIST!" does. (In fact, as we see from the 2008 elections, "RACIST!" can be used as a tool to blind people to flat-out class warriors, to the point of electing one President.)

Posted by: stuiec at July 20, 2010 10:27 PM (7AOgy)

640 -->I mean, Beck's analogy is right, if he were talking about being a drunk
in the context of an AA confession and you just put out the "I'm a
drunk" part, it's misleading.





Posted by: ace at July 20, 2010 09:30 PM (KUUXH)
Actually, it would be more like an alcoholic giving his AA confession to the national beer distributors' convention. Anyone who has ever visited a big city post office, or any large municipal operation, has dealt with such people as Ms. Sherrod.And, she only had the revelation of her racism to expose her to the enlightenment of marxism. Great.Beck's main point was that the quick firing by the White House, on a snippet of tape, was highly suspect.

Posted by: progressoverpeace at July 20, 2010 10:27 PM (Qp4DT)

641 Herr,



Well, dude, if she's confessing she WAS a racist, but now claims she is
NOT, then a tape that claims she is admitting to be a racist NOW is
false, is it not?


Ace, bro, show me a reformed racist. Really.

Honestly, I haven't seen the whole tape, what with a life and all. I can certainly believe that people have changes of heart, and I do, certainly my friend, trust your interpretation of it.

Fact is, though, that this "change of heart" would be pretty self-serving and ass covering.

It is really hard to trust right now. We're being lied to at every turn. I'm a loving, naive fucker. I'm not a dolt.


Posted by: Herr Morgenholz at July 20, 2010 10:27 PM (h/zKr)

642 >>>Ace, please explain to me how it's a lie. I don't think I understand your point in this.


Look, this is simple: The tape purports by its own textual introduction to be an admission of present discrimination. She "discriminateS" against white people the tape claims specifically.

In fact, her confession is of a past sin which she says she's learned was wrong.

It is entirely inaccurate. It misrepresents everything here, virtually.

In what sense is it NOT a lie is more of proper question.

Posted by: ace at July 20, 2010 10:27 PM (KUUXH)

643 Well, dude, if she's confessing she WAS a racist, but now claims she is NOT, then a tape that claims she is admitting to be a racist NOW is false, is it not?

Posted by: ace at July 20, 2010 10:19 PM (KUUXH)

Actually I think that the tape claims that someone with her viewpoints either now or in the past plainly disqualify her for the position that she currently holds. While you CAN prove that you are/were racist (by admitting it), you CANNOT prove that you are no longer racist.

Think of it this way: If the school superintendent admits that once upon a time he was a child molester but now he has seen the light and is no longer into that icky stuff, does that redemption somehow wash away his admitted ineligibility?

No it does not. She should not be "fired" for her current racism or lackthereof; she should have never been hired in the first place for her position because she wasn't eligible.

Posted by: TiO at July 20, 2010 10:28 PM (DQjJA)

644 You want to say "but she's still a racist, i know it."

Fine, you know it. The tape claims to catch her admitting it. It does not catch her admitting it. Its central assertion is wholly false.

Posted by: ace at July 20, 2010 10:28 PM (KUUXH)

645 Posted by: sven10077 at July 20, 2010 10:26 PM (kq1lG)

So there's no redemption? There's no way people who hold terrible views to move past them and realize there are better ways to deal with it?

That's a very limited view of humanity.


Posted by: DrewM. at July 20, 2010 10:29 PM (X/Lqh)

646 "
"Ms. Sherrod, in her federally appointed position, overseeing a
billion
dollars she discriminates against people due to their race".



That is 100% false. Full stop and end of story. Breitbart should retract
the video for that part alone. I don't know if he or the person who
sent it to him added that but it's indefensible."

Is she in a federally appointed position when she made this speech? Overseeing this size budget? Does she repeatedly tell blacks to help people because of their race?

Drew, I think you're projecting a claim that wasn't made (that Sherrod screwed this white farmer while at Dept Ag, instead of just doing so when the Dept of Ag referred him to her (she does say that in the video)).

What the thrust of her speech is, is absolutely not: abandon racism! Do not help blacks just because they are blacks anymore! I was wrong when I did that!

No, the thrust of her speech is pretty similar, whether you watch the clip or the whole ( I think worse if you watch the whole). And it is: There are poor white people too, but I'm here to help poor blacks. There is tension, and sometimes I don't help the whites as much as the blacks.

Granted, she eventually helped the white a little, but nowhere near as much as she'd have helped "her own kind" (to use her nasty term). She's not sorry for this at all, either.

I don't think it's fair to demand Breitbart made indefensible lies. She said this nasty crap only a few months ago.

Posted by: Legendary Film Star Rick Moranis at July 20, 2010 10:30 PM (dUOK+)

647 Breitbart might well have been setup
Posted by: jmflynny at July 20, 2010 10:25 PM (NHK5s)
Well, if he was, it was a sloppy set-up. The NAACP and the Obama Administration have done themselves incredible damage -- I mean, they let Glenn Beck assume the mantle of defender of a Black woman from flimsy charges of racism. It doesn't get more shoot-your-own-foot-offy than that.
Geez, even Charles Johnson might have to agree with Glenn Beck. For a picosecond, before his head explodes.

Posted by: stuiec at July 20, 2010 10:30 PM (7AOgy)

648 645...

By that logic couldn't we still be arguing against the GWB does blow and Cheney really meant to shoot that fella?

Posted by: jmflynny at July 20, 2010 10:31 PM (NHK5s)

649

But I am still puzzled as to her personal timeline.
In 1965, when she was 17, her father was murdered; at 18, she married
Charles Sherrod, who was a prominent figure in the civil rights
movement. Twenty years of being married to a civil rights leader, and
she still thinks of white people as "their kind"? And it's only when
she sees a poor white farmer being ignored by a white lawyer that she
realizes that Black and white and Hispanic people are all just people
and that a poor white man can't rely on racial solidarity from a white
lawyer?1966 she was 18, married
Charles Sherrod, a leader of SNCC

1966 Kwame Ture, had become head of SNCC, advocated revolutionary violence to overthrow oppression, used 'black power', denounced the whites who had supported SNCC in the past

1967 Jamil Abdullah Al-Amin (H Rap Brown) became head of SNCC and supported
violence, indited or inciting a riot in 1967, arrested in 1968.

And as others here have pointed out, it's swell that
she got past her racial resentment, but it's a shame that she merely
replaced it with class resentment.Had I been an 'Eagle Scout' the year it morphed into the Aryan Youth, I would not be be putting it on my resume 40 years later.SNCC, once a civil rights organization turned to shit, but the former members are proud of their contributions.

Posted by: Druid at July 20, 2010 10:31 PM (70pXm)

650 >>>Actually I think that the tape claims that someone with her viewpoints either now or in the past plainly disqualify her for the position that she currently holds.

The tape says she "discriminateS" past tense, then plays her recounting a story from 25 years ago (that part is never revealed) and also cuts out the parts where she said she learned she is no longer for black people only.

Posted by: ace at July 20, 2010 10:31 PM (KUUXH)

651 That is 100% false. Full stop and end of story. Breitbart should retract the video for that part alone. I don't know if he or the person who sent it to him added that but it's indefensible.
Posted by: DrewM. at July 20, 2010 10:23 PM (X/Lqh)
How do you know that's false? She admitted to discriminating against a guy because he was white. She later says that right before he lost his farm she finally helped him and undid some of that damage she had previously done. Does that prove redemption or maybe worries about getting sued?
Who knows, I don't and I suspect you haven't had alot of experience with Shirley either.

Posted by: robtr at July 20, 2010 10:32 PM (fwSHf)

652 646 Ace,
the tape itself shows her speaking as a Government Representative in ways that were the shoe on the other foot would generate a Firestorm that'd have Germans forgetting about Dresden by the next morning and you know it.....
her entire speech and use of race therein is a violation of training she should have recieved.....soldiers are not allowed to speak as she does to her friendly audience.....
Spc4 Joe Snuffy doesn't get to tell the nice CID or EO investigator, "but I was telling those skinheads that I now understand black, white, hispanic, asian it is peaceniks we soldiers should be hating on"
there are multiple sets of rules in play and as long as we roll every time the striped shirt of the newsies blows the whistle that'll NEVER change

Posted by: sven10077 at July 20, 2010 10:33 PM (kq1lG)

653 Is the entire NAACP audience redeemed by her story too? Are they all now justified with the mantle of herconfession and self crucifixion?

Posted by: dagny at July 20, 2010 10:33 PM (vk55P)

654 you tell me with a straight face that had a man given the EXACT same "praise jesus i now know my hate against the darkie was wrong it was the poor trash of all kinds I shoulda hated" funhouse mirror speech she was giving in the whole video at say StormFront it'd all be "cool".....
Posted by: sven10077 at July 20, 2010 10:26 PM (kq1lG)
God, I'm barely cold and already you forget me!

Posted by: Sen. Robert Byrd at July 20, 2010 10:33 PM (7AOgy)

655 Comon Ace, words. English. Language.

Shakespeare....

Ideas...

Posted by: Libertarian at July 20, 2010 10:33 PM (gtpH8)

656 Drew, I think you're projecting a claim that wasn't made (that Sherrod
screwed this white farmer while at Dept Ag, instead of just doing so
when the Dept of Ag referred him to her (she does say that in the
video)).
Posted by: Legendary Film Star Rick Moranis at July 20, 2010 10:30 PM
(dUOK+)

If you point is the original tape wasn't meant to illustrate that she discriminated as a federal employee I would say...

You're naive

And

The person who put it together libled her. They claim she committed a crime (racial discrimination as a federal official) and then provided ZERO evidence of that crime.

Granted, she eventually helped the white a little, but nowhere near as
much as she'd have helped "her own kind" (to use her nasty term).

No, she eventually helped the white farmer A LOT. The lawyer she sent him to wrote him off and she scrambled to find another lawyer to prevent the foreclosure. The family says she saved their ass.

Posted by: DrewM. at July 20, 2010 10:35 PM (X/Lqh)

657 647 drew,
would a redeemed racist be so wrapped up in admonishing people that a "white man bought the land he wanted"?
no sale champ sorry....
I don't relish her sort being in charge of saving farms of any color because she can't be trusted to be fair and i don't hire bank robbers as security guards either.

Posted by: sven10077 at July 20, 2010 10:35 PM (kq1lG)

658 So there's no redemption?

Listen. I certainly hope there is. I do.

But this is not a spiritual exercise. It's a temporal, political one.

Seriously, folks are being too nice. Men are standing outside polling places with nightsticks, with full government support, and you shitweeds are arguing about words from some shitcanned bureaucrat.

Some perspective would be nice.

Posted by: Herr Morgenholz at July 20, 2010 10:35 PM (h/zKr)

659 The trolls on HotAir are saying that the NAACP
are claiming they had to put in a new tape at the 21:01 mark.
One little problem here:
Thetape at that point does a fast fade-in after the break, as
opposed to a an abrupt break. This thing has obviously been edited and
the NAACP is lying their asses off.
The plot thickens trolls.

Posted by: Afro Mojo at July 20, 2010 10:04 PM (wFMDa)




It's possible there were other speakers before her and a tape change was needed. If not, what tape have you ever used ran out at exactly the 21 minute mark? Also this was from 3 months ago. Who the hell in this day and age still uses tape and not digital video? I mean I know the lady was harking back on something from a quarter century ago, but did they pop in a Memorex 60 minute VHS tape to capture the moment ?

Posted by: Blazer at July 20, 2010 10:35 PM (t72+4)

660 "Fine, you know it. The tape claims to catch her
admitting it. It does not catch her admitting it. Its central
assertion is wholly false.




Posted by: ace at July 20, 2010 10:28 PM (KUUXH)"
She does promote a lot of racism, and she never seemed contrite for how she treated the white farmer. The central assertion is wholly true.While she also says 'it's about the haves verses the have nots', she much more often speaks about white versus black uncritically.Paraphrase, because I don't feel like watching it again, 'why don't blacks take care of blacks like they used to?' The story of the white farmer expands on this to explain that sometimes, even some white guy can get help too if they go months and months. Note that she is very careful to point out that he was in a very special situation most people weren't in. Some kind of unique or nearly unique situation. Why? Because she decided to help him after all.Was she apologizing for how she treated him? Hell no! As soon as she's done talking about it, she's condemning opposition to Obamacare because Obama is black, so his opponents are racist.
Drew M says that pointing out who this person is proves Breitbart wasn't focused on the audience reaction. I'm amazed he's ignoring most of Breitbart's commentary like it never happened.

Posted by: Legendary Film Star Rick Moranis at July 20, 2010 10:36 PM (dUOK+)

661 656,

Bobby I promise I'll never forget you or Tedster....promise

Posted by: sven10077 at July 20, 2010 10:37 PM (kq1lG)

662 Ok, Ace, I get your point. The text on what AB released is misleading. That's as much as I'll give the lefty basturds, because the jist of what AB was saying is that racist crap is OK with the NAACP, as long as it's against white people.
What the hell is wrong with pushing that story instead of fighting our own side?

Posted by: Steph at July 20, 2010 10:37 PM (580hG)

663 But after she sends the farmer off to "one of his own kind," she has an epiphany
You're missing my point. She could have easily said, "So I sent him to a white lawyer". But she ran withI sent him back to his own kind.
And that wasn't Sherrod from 25+ years ago. That was her on 3/27/2010 fully knowing her audience.
Those few words are completely indefensible.

Posted by: laceyunderalls at July 20, 2010 10:37 PM (3Ju9j)

664 The tape says she "discriminateS" past tense, then plays her recounting a story from 25 years ago (that part is never revealed) and also cuts out the parts where she said she learned she is no longer for black people only.

Posted by: ace at July 20, 2010 10:31 PM (KUUXH)

I fail to see how the correct or incorrect tense of the word 'discriminate' or the fact that she have her hallelujah moment changes anything.

Regardless of what the tape caption itself says or when she claims this racism occurred, she admitted something which, HAD SHE REVEALED IT TO HER EMPLOYER, would have barred her from gaining her current position.

Can you imagine her telling that same story at her job interview and not setting red flags a-plenty? Would she even dare tell that story? That tells you all you need to know.

Posted by: TiO at July 20, 2010 10:37 PM (DQjJA)

665 It's not about her, it's about the NAACP and their hypocrisy.

They branded the Tea Party with the Race Card and they are the race baiters.

It's simple, keep it simple, don't let the Left redirect the focus.

They are the liars and we aren't.

Short and sweet, nice and neat.

But I am thinking long and hard about a Mencken Moment with any Journolist Fucktard.

Posted by: ontherocks at July 20, 2010 10:38 PM (HBqDo)

666 Everyone at that meeting got up and left after that Redemption Speech and went over to Samir Shabaaz' house and kicked the living shit out of him for being a racist.

It is true!

Posted by: sifty at July 20, 2010 10:38 PM (BimL7)

667 If she suddenly stopped caring about race, why is she involved with the NAACP?

Posted by: the peanut gallery at July 20, 2010 10:39 PM (NurK6)

668 Posted by: robtr at July 20, 2010 10:32 PM (fwSHf)

Because the story she told happened in the 80's and she didn't get a federal job until 2009.

The video simply doesn't back up the claim made in the text intro.

Posted by: DrewM. at July 20, 2010 10:39 PM (X/Lqh)

669 Is the entire NAACP audience redeemed by her story too? Are they all now justified with the mantle of herconfession and self crucifixion?

Posted by: dagny at July 20, 2010 10:33 PM (vk55P)

Nah, they're the Pharisees.

Posted by: ErikW at July 20, 2010 10:40 PM (E1/9G)

670 No, she eventually helped the white farmer A LOT. The lawyer she sent him to wrote him off and she scrambled to find another lawyer to prevent the foreclosure. The family says she saved their ass.
Posted by: DrewM. at July 20, 2010 10:35 PM (X/Lqh)
You seem to be forgetting that she sent him to a shittylawyer "of his own kind" because he was white and she didn't "bring the whole force of what she could do" because he was white.

Posted by: robtr at July 20, 2010 10:40 PM (fwSHf)

671 Can I buy #374 a drink?

Posted by: td at July 20, 2010 10:41 PM (w7TI0)

672 No, she eventually helped the white farmer A LOT.
The lawyer she sent him to wrote him off and she scrambled to find
another lawyer to prevent the foreclosure. The family says she saved
their ass.

Posted by: DrewM. at July 20, 2010 10:35 PM (X/Lqh)
She found them a lawyer. My G-d. She's a saint! Such power used for the good of Mankind. It makes me tear.

Posted by: progressoverpeace at July 20, 2010 10:41 PM (Qp4DT)

673 660...

It may appear that the argument is about words from some shitcanned bureaucrat, but the argument is about our willingness to swallow the hook and run with it. Do we believe in truth or in conjecture? Do we believe in tit-for-tat, even if it leaves us dirty?

There's a whole of uncomfortable shit I would do to defend truth and liberty, but trampling truth for the sake of truth is beyond my limits and those, I suspect, of at least a few others here.

Posted by: jmflynny at July 20, 2010 10:41 PM (NHK5s)

674 How do you know that's false? She admitted to discriminating against a guy because he was white. She later says that right before he lost his farm she finally helped him and undid some of that damage she had previously done. Does that prove redemption or maybe worries about getting sued?
Who knows, I don't and I suspect you haven't had alot of experience with Shirley either.
Posted by: robtr at July 20, 2010 10:32 PM (fwSHf)
The title cards on the tape released by Breitbart read:
"On March 27, 2010, while speaking at the NAACP Freedom Forum Banquet, Ms. Sherrod admits that in her federally appointed position, overseeing over a billion dollars, she discriminates against people due to their race."
But in the clip, Ms. Sherrod does not speak of anything she did in her federally appointed position. She admits to having discriminated against a white farmer due to his race -- 23 years before she was appointed to the USDA.
Thus the statement on the title card is false. And a false charge of malfeasance in office is defamatory. And her forced resignation created actual damages.
If Breitbart, knowing that it is false, shows reckless disregard for the truth by failing to issue a retraction -- even if only regarding that title card -- he's opening himself to a libel suit. I think hes smart enough not to want that.

Posted by: stuiec at July 20, 2010 10:43 PM (7AOgy)

675 Ace has been hanging around that Candy-Ass Rino Allahpundit to much.

Posted by: Afro Mojo at July 20, 2010 10:43 PM (wFMDa)

676 The video simply doesn't back up the claim made in
the text intro.

Posted by: DrewM. at July 20, 2010 10:39 PM (X/Lqh)
Can we at least say that the Administration hired a person with a racist past and move forward from there?Please. This is like watching grass grow. She didn't get her job in the Obama administration based on the recommendation of the Honkey, Iowa Optimist's Club. She got it based on her Marxist, racist bona fides. 1 in 1 of US Attorneys General agree!


Posted by: Herr Morgenholz at July 20, 2010 10:43 PM (h/zKr)

677 674 PoP,
I once helped a drunken hobo to a waterhose um shower.....

can i get a 13 million dollar payday and an SES level federal job too now?

Posted by: sven10077 at July 20, 2010 10:44 PM (kq1lG)

678 She found them a lawyer. My G-d. She's a saint! Such power used for the good of Mankind. It makes me tear.
She did her job! Whoa!

Regardless there is far more "racism" even in the parable than at a Tea Party. That's the point.
Perhaps the Tea Party should say that it used to be racist then realized that no one should have to pay punitive tax rates and the Naacp will then defend it.

Posted by: dagny at July 20, 2010 10:44 PM (vk55P)

679 Let people live free. Hemingway...

Posted by: Libertarian at July 20, 2010 10:44 PM (gtpH8)

680 "
The person who put it together libled her. They claim she committed a
crime (racial discrimination as a federal official) and then provided
ZERO evidence of that crime."

that's not libel, Drew. I don't know why you get so damn excitable. But he gave all the evidence he had and isn't showing reckless disregard for the truth. making a claim without proving it is hardly libel.

You're clearly bent out of shape and committed to your cause again. Reminds me of when you kept chanting Quitter Quitter Quitter about Palin and then said you are just as harsh to Romney (you aren't).

I understand what you are and it doesn't bother me. You're a purist of moderate politics. We are going to have a hard time seeing the world the same way,a nd it's not because you're a liar, or I'm a liar, or Brietbart is a committing a tort of libel,.

Let's be a little more respectful, please. this is a very serious issue to me because I have family who farm and go through this crap.

This short video does not show her discriminating currently against whites. It shows her talking about a past discrimination of a white, while a federal official. I don't know if Breitbart understood this, but either way, the video shows a real racist oppression. The full video shows that the oppression was mitigated when she finally helped the guy a little, after months of struggling. And the full video shows she's advocating discriminating on the basis of race (albeit in a positive rather than negative sense, which means little to me). She's a racist and she isn't sorry. The details do blur and Breitbart's original claims have been clarified. But he is no liar.

There are many out there claiming Breitbart held the truth back. He obviously did not. While with murky nutcase racists who babble, it will be hard to get the exact accurate truth the first time, and it's good Breitbart has a more accurate account now, what he did was not dishonest.

You claim he committed libel, though. I don't see why you do that. You make mistakes too (just did). No one should condemn you as dishonest because you aren't perfect, right? But Breitbart as making a very realistic summary of the material he had. He was trying to get the rest released. And he got it released and it is very newsworthy to me.

Posted by: Legendary Film Star Rick Moranis at July 20, 2010 10:44 PM (dUOK+)

681 The video simply doesn't back up the claim made in the text intro.
Posted by: DrewM. at July 20, 2010 10:39 PM (X/Lqh)
That may be. i don't remember the text intro. Is that a lie or was that Brietbart working with the short version of the tape that he had at that time? He claims the latter.
I don't remember it quite the way you describe though. I'll go watch it again.

Posted by: robtr at July 20, 2010 10:44 PM (fwSHf)

682 Maybe someone will break out the old video of Rev. Lowery wishing that "white will embrace what's right" from that stunning inauguration? That was a classic. And then his awarding of the Presidential Medal of Freedom was a real hoot!

Posted by: progressoverpeace at July 20, 2010 10:45 PM (Qp4DT)

683 I grant that the intro text may have been misleading. Frankly I forgot what the text said aside from listing her current position and job responsibilities.

How ever inaccurate the caption may have been, that fact is she admitted on tape that she should have never been hired for her currently 2009 position because she was self-evidently racist in the 80s.

Her USDA job is not an apprenticeship. She's not being paid to learn on the fly. Just like a judge is obligated to recuse herself of even POTENTIAL conflict of interest in a case or even the APPEARANCE of potential conflict, Sherrod must recuse herself from her then-current position.

You can't prove a NEGATIVE (that you're no longer racist). You can only prove a POSITIVE (that you were).

Posted by: TiO at July 20, 2010 10:46 PM (DQjJA)

684 "Let people live free. Hemingway..."

Ace knows of what I speaketh...

Posted by: Libertarian at July 20, 2010 10:47 PM (gtpH8)

685 There's a whole of uncomfortable shit I would do to defend truth and
liberty, but trampling truth for the sake of truth is beyond my limits
and those, I suspect, of at least a few others here.

Truth? That's in the Philosophy section. It's near "Castration". The Dewey system works that way.

Congratulations on your integrity. It'll serve you well when the guard asks where you hid the ramen noodles.

Posted by: Herr Morgenholz at July 20, 2010 10:47 PM (h/zKr)

686 progressoverpeace, I really do wish you published a newsletter because I would love to subscribe to it.

Posted by: TiO at July 20, 2010 10:48 PM (DQjJA)

687 You're missing my point. She could have easily said, "So I sent him
to a white lawyer". But she ran withI sent him back to his own kind.
And that wasn't Sherrod from 25+ years ago. That was her on 3/27/2010
fully knowing her audience.

Those few words are completely indefensible.

Posted by: laceyunderalls at July 20, 2010 10:37 PM (3Ju9j)



I think that depends on what you think she was doing.

Was she using he normal speech from today,"his own kind", or was she in essence quoting her self from 25 years ago?

I think it's the latter. She setting up a story about change, she's going back in time. If she uses what she'd say now or just cleans it up for PC reasons, it's cleaner but takes a lot of impact from the story.

"His own kind" shows what an ass she was and how far she traveled on the path she says God showed her.

By being honest about how she spoke and putting herself in the worst possible light it makes the ultimate transformation more impressive and interesting. If that's how she thought at the time, she had to say that in retelling the story.


Posted by: DrewM. at July 20, 2010 10:48 PM (X/Lqh)

688 I'm not saying Breitbart is lying.

When I say "defend a lie" I mean defend the TAPE.

I doubt very much Breitbart had this full tape or edited it like this -- 1, he said he didn't, 2, he's too smart for that, even if he did want to put one over. he'd know it would burn him badly.

When I say "defend a lie" I mean merely defend something which at this point appears to be much more false than true.

That's not saying breitbart did this -- I think he was passed the tape in this form.

Posted by: ace at July 20, 2010 10:48 PM (KUUXH)

689 The Sun Also Rises...

Posted by: Libertarian at July 20, 2010 10:49 PM (gtpH8)

690 Those few words are completely indefensible.
Posted by: laceyunderalls at July 20, 2010 10:37 PM (3Ju9j)
Hey, Rita Moreno used them to very good effect in West Side Story!
The thing is, when people talk about past events, they often speak in the character of a past self -- how they used to talk and act and think -- to draw a contrast with their present self. Some words and phrases are by common agreement so out-of-bounds today that we don't allow them to be used in that past-self manner -- the "n" word being the most obvious -- but it's not clear that "his own kind" falls into that category, where no amount of context can make it tolerable.

Posted by: stuiec at July 20, 2010 10:49 PM (7AOgy)

691 The National Association for the Advancement of Colored People

Hello - RACIST
Thanks, I feel a lot better getting that on the record.


Posted by: ontherocks at July 20, 2010 10:50 PM (HBqDo)

692 Posted by: DrewM. at July 20, 2010 10:48 PM (X/Lqh)
Oh, DrewM... *sigh* *bats eyelashes* ... you're so dreamy....

Posted by: stuiec at July 20, 2010 10:51 PM (7AOgy)

693 Was she using he normal speech from today,"his own kind", or was she
in essence quoting her self from 25 years ago?
I think it's
the latter

Drew, brother. C'mon. I've got vertebrae that aren't that weak.

Posted by: Herr Morgenholz at July 20, 2010 10:51 PM (h/zKr)

694 687...

Geez, Herr.

It's so seldom that someone so proudly wears their lack of integrity on their sleeve.

Congrats on your coming-out.

When's the party?

Posted by: jmflynny at July 20, 2010 10:51 PM (NHK5s)

695 If you think I'm attacking Breitbart intentionally I'm not -- I actually like him, not just on a personal level but for the very good work he's been doing.

To be honest, the whole reason I was wishy-washy in the above post is that I didnt' want to come out against Breitbart.

But I don't think I'm against him. This tape, however, was very misleading (if not dishonest) as presented, and Breitbart, alas, was burned by it (as was Obama, and the NAACP, and me...)

I have said several times that I would have probably run the tape like this -- and been burned.

This is not about attacking Breitbart.

Nor is about saving Sherrod, who frankly seems a nasty piece of work (and I just said so ten minutes ago to someone in an email).

It's about getting on the right side of the truth. And the tape, as initially presented, is on the wrong side of it.

Even if you want to argue it's still somehow "substantially correct" jeeze louise there is no way I can imagine you thinking it's AS useful a thing as you did a day ago.

Posted by: ace at July 20, 2010 10:52 PM (KUUXH)

696 695,
so George Allen gets his political career back because Kos and Jharles Chonson will give him the break we are?

Posted by: sven10077 at July 20, 2010 10:52 PM (kq1lG)

697 The Sun Also Rises...

I like HIM (Hemingway)

Posted by: Libertarian at July 20, 2010 10:52 PM (gtpH8)

698 Let's go all the way and nominate her for sainthood or the congressional medal of freedom. What a transformation! What a story! This beats A Christmas Carol! Perhaps the missing footage told about the ghosts of white farmers from harvests past, present and future? Where the hell is Tiny Tim or Tiny Tyrone? Buy the biggest goose in Ga and take it to the Spooners.
Barf

Posted by: dagny at July 20, 2010 10:52 PM (wMRvn)

699 that's not libel, Drew.
Posted by: Legendary Film Star Rick Moranis at July 20, 2010 10:44 PM
(dUOK+)

Yeah, claiming someone committed a crime is libel.

Now one could argue that she's a public figure but given that the non-edited version shows that the claim is simply false, I think you'd have a pretty could chance of surmounting malice aforethought.

Posted by: DrewM. at July 20, 2010 10:53 PM (X/Lqh)

700 Was she using he normal speech from today,"his own kind", or was she in essence quoting her self from 25 years ago?
Sure let me give her the benefit of the doubt on that . I mean everything else she said was so completely rational. And she had any number of ways to phrase that in a less offensive manner, but why not! Heck , let's just forget she even said it, huh?
Words matter for most adults. Apparently not for this woman though.

Posted by: laceyunderalls at July 20, 2010 10:53 PM (3Ju9j)

701 691 The Sun Also Rises...
And shit also floats.......

Posted by: Afro Mojo at July 20, 2010 10:53 PM (wFMDa)

702 "His own kind" shows what an ass she was and how far she traveled on the path she says God showed her.
By being honest about how she spoke and putting herself in the worst possible light it makes the ultimate transformation more impressive and interesting. If that's how she thought at the time, she had to say that in retelling the story.

Posted by: DrewM. at July 20, 2010 10:48 PM (X/Lqh)
I can't really tell by that post if you are training to be an interweb psycohologist or an interweb mind reader.
I used to tell my exwife that if you want to know what I mean just listen to the words coming out of my mouth.

Posted by: robtr at July 20, 2010 10:54 PM (fwSHf)

703 It's so seldom that someone so proudly wears their lack of integrity on
their sleeve.

Integrity? You want me to go on some fucking integrity kick?

We have a racist precedent, with a racist attorney general, and we're talking about some minor racist bureaucrat who got shitcanned for the crime of actually getting caught being a racist. What. The. Fuck?

My integrity makes me recognize reality. While all of you fuckers are arguing exactly what the Marquis of Queensbury would say about the height of your trousers, you're getting kicked in the balls and are so numb you don't even fucking know it.

Posted by: Herr Morgenholz at July 20, 2010 10:55 PM (h/zKr)

704 I really have to say it is borderline inconceivable that Breitbart would deliberately do this. I mean, jeeze, would he do that knowing there is more to the tape that could come out any moment?

No.

I think this was represented to him as accurate and all that existed and he tried to find the rest of it and couldn't, and so he ran it.

I think whoever supplied him with this is getting his ass chewed out pretty badly.

Posted by: ace at July 20, 2010 10:55 PM (KUUXH)

705 "Was she using he normal speech from today,"his own kind", or was she
in essence quoting her self from 25 years ago?

I think it's
the latter. She setting up a story about change, she's going back in
time. If she uses what she'd say now or just cleans it up for PC
reasons, it's cleaner but takes a lot of impact from the story.

"His
own kind" shows what an ass she was and how far she traveled on the
path she says God showed her.
By being honest about how she
spoke and putting herself in the worst possible light it makes the
ultimate transformation more impressive and interesting. If that's how
she thought at the time, she had to say that in retelling the story."

Wow, you are really bending over backwards to defend her and attack Breitbart. Don't hurt yourself!

Posted by: the peanut gallery at July 20, 2010 10:56 PM (NurK6)

706 Congratulations on your integrity. It'll serve you well when the guard asks where you hid the ramen noodles.
Posted by: Herr Morgenholz at July 20, 2010 10:47 PM (h/zKr)
And oddly this on the day when everyone is making a big deal of a Journolist denizen saying "pick any right winger - Fred Barnes, Karl Rove, it doesn't matter - and call him racist." The supposedly big deal there that the Leftards of Journolist and the MSM have so little integrity that they're happy to throw unfounded accusations of racism at people just to smear them politically.
Either the Leftards are right to do it, in which case the Journolist story ain't nothin', or they're opening themselves up to damaging scrutiny for doing it, in which case it's pretty stupid to imitate them.

Posted by: stuiec at July 20, 2010 10:56 PM (7AOgy)

707 Herr,

If you were telling a smart lie, I could get behind your anti-integrity kick.

But in fact you are staking your credibility on a dumb lie, a clumsy lie, a desperate lie, an embarrassing lie, and if that's your idea of how you win stuff back, fine, but that's not mine.

Posted by: ace at July 20, 2010 10:57 PM (KUUXH)

708 It's about getting on the right side of the truth. And the tape, as initially presented, is on the wrong side of it.

Even if you want to argue it's still somehow "substantially correct" jeeze louise there is no way I can imagine you thinking it's AS useful a thing as you did a day ago.

Posted by: ace at July 20, 2010 10:52 PM (KUUXH)

ace I agree with you there; it's substantially correct but a lot less useful than it was, mostly because it's causing morons to forget about hobos for the day and begin shooting at each other.

I just hope AB has better tapes.



Posted by: TiO at July 20, 2010 10:57 PM (DQjJA)

709 ace,

let's say you don't hear the speaker and only hear the audience, what would you conclude about how the audience reacted to the speech?

Posted by: eman at July 20, 2010 10:58 PM (3nHRI)

710 Wow, you are really bending over backwards to defend her and attack
Breitbart.
Posted by: the peanut gallery at July 20, 2010 10:56 PM (NurK6)

How in the world is that attacking Breitbart?

Seriously, it's one thing to defend someone you like but it would be good to wait until they are actually attacked.

Posted by: DrewM. at July 20, 2010 10:58 PM (X/Lqh)

711 Why do I get the feeling that the ONT will provide no relief?

Posted by: jmflynny at July 20, 2010 10:58 PM (NHK5s)

712 I'm not sure, stuie. Did you just rag me or not?

Posted by: Herr Morgenholz at July 20, 2010 10:58 PM (h/zKr)

713 Ace and Drew are laughing their asses off as they post this shit. (I hope for their sake).

Posted by: ontherocks at July 20, 2010 10:58 PM (HBqDo)

714 Posted by: ace at July 20, 2010 10:52 PM (KUUXH)
So we're back in the same place we were this morning just before Megyn came on?

Posted by: ErikW at July 20, 2010 10:59 PM (E1/9G)

715 707 Right?
"His own kind" shows what an ass she was and how far she traveled on the path she says God showed her.
Seriously?
Who says stuff like that about racism? not alcoholism or drug addiction but racism?

Posted by: dagny at July 20, 2010 11:00 PM (U0LsY)

716 Ace, you horses ass, you know we are all the same.

The Cove...

Posted by: Libertarian at July 20, 2010 11:01 PM (gtpH8)

717 I'll concede one thing: if she was just "pretending" to be racist, it was an Oscar-worthy performance.

Posted by: the peanut gallery at July 20, 2010 11:02 PM (NurK6)

718 But I don't think I'm against him. This tape, however, was very misleading (if not dishonest) as presented, and Breitbart, alas, was burned by it (as was Obama, and the NAACP, and me...)
Posted by: ace at July 20, 2010 10:52 PM (KUUXH)
Of the three - Breitbart, the NAACP and the Obama Administration - Breitbart will suffer the least damage. Because the NAACP and the Obama Administration are specifically supposed to be supportive of people like Shirley Sherrod when they come under fire from the Right -- and instead they ran like cockroaches when the light came on.
Think of the ending to Stephen King's The Dead Zone: the hero fails to kill the megalomaniac Presidential candidate, but succeeds in doing something worse to him when the candidate is photographed using a small child as a human shield. Something similar is happening here.

Posted by: stuiec at July 20, 2010 11:02 PM (7AOgy)

719 Herr,



If you were telling a smart lie, I could get behind your anti-integrity
kick.

I heard a woman admit that she screwed a farmer over based on his race. Her come to Jesus moment I skipped.

I'm not anti-integrity. Forgive me, all, but "By their fruits shall you know them". We don't let Sheets Byrd off the hook 50 years after he took off his sheets, so why the fuck are we so happy to let this chick off the hook after only half the time has elapsed?

Funny, but for a "racist" I've done nothing near as bad as this bitch did.

Posted by: Herr Morgenholz at July 20, 2010 11:03 PM (h/zKr)

720 I can't really tell by that post if you are training to be an interweb
psycohologist or an interweb mind reader.
Posted by: robtr at July 20, 2010 10:54 PM (fwSHf)

Or maybe I've been involved in things like telling stories, developing drama and what not.

A basic rule of telling redemption of bad to good is "don't undersell the bad, it makes the ultimate transformation less powerful".

Going from "his own kind" to "it's not about black and white" is more powerful than "a white lawyer" to "it's not about black and white".

But if you think that's some sort of psychobabble, knock yourself out.

Posted by: DrewM. at July 20, 2010 11:03 PM (X/Lqh)

721 Posted by: Herr Morgenholz at July 20, 2010 11:03 PM (h/zKr)

did you listen to the whole speech?

Posted by: DrewM. at July 20, 2010 11:04 PM (X/Lqh)

722 You know its bad when "How its made" looks like an awesome alternative to this incessantarguing over what is or isntracism.

Posted by: lauren at July 20, 2010 11:05 PM (MVwBA)

723 So, just to make sure i understand, this woman admits to, at the very least, intending to use her power as a government official to deny someone aid based solely on the fact that person was white. This after she admits to having gone into government to help blacks and blacks only. But then she says she realized that was wrong and she never commited any acts of racism, pinky swear, and we conservatives are supposed to not only take her at her word but apologize to her, announce what a great story of redemption she is and give her a job in government once again. Correct?


Well, i'm real glad she's super sorry for once being a racist piece of shit and maybe she's even telling the truth that she no longer wants to stick it to whitey, but i'm not that trusting or forgiving. I want every single action she oversaw at the USDA investigated and any people she denied aid to compensated directly out of her pocket and any laws she broke paid for with probation and/or prison time. And, i don't want her working in my government. I may be wrong, but her position is an appointed one, not elected, so she can go find a job somewhere else that's not on my dime.

Posted by: koopy at July 20, 2010 11:06 PM (awinc)

724 I'm not sure, stuie. Did you just rag me or not?
Posted by: Herr Morgenholz at July 20, 2010 10:58 PM (h/zKr)
Either we say we don't give a rat's ass about lying about Shirley Sherrod, or we call out the Leftards at Journolist for plotting lies about Fred Barnes and Karl Rove and all of us.
You can't have both.
And in this situation, even if Breitbart apologizes to Ms. Sherrod, the damage to the NAACP and the Obama Administration is done: they've shown themselves to be spineless, gutless, frightened little bunnies whose first instinct is to run away. How much confidence do you think that gives Democrats in how hard Obama is going to fight for their reelection? And how much wind does that take out of the NAACP's charges of racism against the TEA Party?
Why fuck up victory with blind rage?

Posted by: stuiec at July 20, 2010 11:07 PM (7AOgy)

725 Or maybe I've been involved in things like telling stories, developing drama and what not.
Or maybe that's just what she believes. My point is that niether you or I have the answer to that. We just have the words that came out of her mouth.

Posted by: robtr at July 20, 2010 11:09 PM (fwSHf)

726 726.

So, in the end, the greater truth wins out?

You'd think that bus of Obama's would be getting some seriously poor gas mileage what with all the corpses stuck to the tires.

Posted by: jmflynny at July 20, 2010 11:10 PM (NHK5s)

727 So, just to make sure i understand, this woman admits to, at the very
least, intending to use her power as a government official to deny
someone aid based solely on the fact that person was white. This after
she admits to having gone into government to help blacks and blacks
only.

Posted by: koopy at July 20, 2010 11:06 PM (awinc)

No.

She wasn't working for the government when she said she didn't do all that she could.

Later she said she changed her mind and heart and wound up doing everything she could for him.

Some believe her, some don't but that's irrelevant to the time line and where she was working.

Posted by: DrewM. at July 20, 2010 11:10 PM (X/Lqh)

728 did you listen to the whole speech?

Nope. Not interested, either.

I listen to people's journeys of self-discovery all the time. And they're all fucking bullshit. People realizing that they've been doing the wrong shit is par for the course. Their stories, while interesting to them, bore the ever loving fuck out of the rest of us.

I congratulate her for not shooting the cracker. I don't congratulate her for finding (at the age of what? 50?) that she really is an asshole.

It's like congratulating a guy for not beating his wife today.

I'm fucking sick of the "therapeutic/confessional" world.

She's a racist. A man who kills somebody in a robbery is a murderer whether he repents in prison or not. A racist is a racist, whether she repents or not.

Posted by: Herr Morgenholz at July 20, 2010 11:11 PM (h/zKr)

729 We just have the words that came out of her mouth.
Posted by: robtr at July 20, 2010 11:09 PM (fwSHf)

Well, she just said on CNN she would never say "his own kind" now and that she was just relating her mindset at the time.

I'm sure you'll accept those words out of her mouth.

Posted by: DrewM. at July 20, 2010 11:12 PM (X/Lqh)

730 Im going to bed, if u cunt come up with an an argument.

Posted by: Libertarian at July 20, 2010 11:14 PM (gtpH8)

731 The fact that doesn't change is the use of racist "jargon" to get the point across to the NAACP audience. They ate it up and then murmurred when she turned the talk around. Sherrod may have gotten a "bum rap" but the audience is still "guilty."

Posted by: Neo at July 20, 2010 11:15 PM (tE8FB)

732 Well, she just said on CNN she would never say "his own kind" now

I can say that I've grown a lot in the last four months, as well.

Posted by: Herr Morgenholz at July 20, 2010 11:15 PM (h/zKr)

733 Posted by: Herr Morgenholz at July 20, 2010 11:11 PM (h/zKr)

You didn't listen to the whole speech so when you say, "I heard a woman admit that she screwed a farmer over based on his race." it is meaningless. Thanks for being honest and clearing that up.

Posted by: DrewM. at July 20, 2010 11:15 PM (X/Lqh)

734 How did the audience react to her describing her discriminatory acts?

Who wants us to ignore the audience?

Posted by: eman at July 20, 2010 11:15 PM (3nHRI)

735 Sherrod may have gotten a "bum rap" but the audience is still "guilty."

Well, there's that, too.

Posted by: Herr Morgenholz at July 20, 2010 11:16 PM (h/zKr)

736 The one thing that's not being talked about is that the way this woman was tempted to treat that white farmer 24 years ago is exactly the way ACORN is being trained to treat us TODAY by the Obama-type community organizers.

Posted by: the professor at July 20, 2010 11:16 PM (HgLwI)

737 Well, Drew.

Herr is nothing if not loaded with integrity.

Posted by: jmflynny at July 20, 2010 11:17 PM (NHK5s)

738 >>>So, just to make sure i understand, this woman admits to, at the very least, intending to use her power as a government official to deny someone aid based solely on the fact that person was white.

No, I don't think it's at all clear what capacity she was in back then. She might have been some charity functionary.

This was 25 years ago. I don't know what she was doing. Whether she was working for the fed, the state, or some private entity.

Posted by: ace at July 20, 2010 11:17 PM (KUUXH)

739 What if the story had been "NAACP Audience Likes Racist Parts of Speech, Dislikes Redemptive Part of Speech"?

Posted by: eman at July 20, 2010 11:18 PM (3nHRI)

740 "I heard a woman admit that she screwed a farmer over based on his
race."

She did. Deny it, Drew.

Whether she later attempted to make amends, and was even successful, is pretty much fucking irrelevant.

I'm sorry I punched your retarded sister in the nose, but I set it with my mad plaster skillz. No harm,. no foul, right dude? Fist bump!!

Posted by: Herr Morgenholz at July 20, 2010 11:18 PM (h/zKr)

741 Well, if you'd listened to the entire tape, you'd have heard the audience applauding her admonishment of the black community for wasting money and not caring for their credit too.

Posted by: jmflynny at July 20, 2010 11:19 PM (NHK5s)

742 Of the three - Breitbart, the NAACP and the Obama Administration - Breitbart will suffer the least damage.

The problem as I see it, Stuiec is initially, I thought the right had really delivered a one-two punch today - the Journolist revelations AND the Sherrod tape. Jesus, it felt like Christmas in July.

Now, with the Left will scream that Breitbart deliberately mislead and deceived - they will have it be about Sherrod and not about the reaction of the NAACP audience. And they will use it to direct attention away from Journolist.

Will they give Beck or Krauthammer the slightest bit of credit for defending Sherrod? Yeah, right. No, unfortunately, Breitbart has now provided them with a weapon they will use against him - something that he has avoided doing up until this point.

Posted by: Diane at July 20, 2010 11:19 PM (A5wOk)

743 This long-distance dedication goes out to drew and Ms. Sherrod.

Posted by: laceyunderalls saying Keep your feet on the ground and keep reaching for the stars!! at July 20, 2010 11:19 PM (3Ju9j)

744 >>>Who wants us to ignore the audience?

The audience was told something you weren't, initially-- that the story would have a moral ending.

Their reactions must be seen in light of that.

Again, if I'm testifying about how I found Christ, and I say I drank, I did drugs, I was selfish, I used women, the crowd may uh-huh! each of those, but that's not endorsement, that's "I get where you're going with this."

Posted by: ace at July 20, 2010 11:19 PM (KUUXH)

745 im done. i am snockeerd.

Kilogre, u are the man.... :-)

Posted by: Libertarian at July 20, 2010 11:20 PM (gtpH8)

746 Herr is nothing if not loaded with integrity.

I'm not sure what your beef with me is. We have a basic disagreement.

People are all fucking loaded with integrity tonight. I'm sure Nero was, too. This is a bullshit fart in an overwhelming tempest, and people are checking to see it their bowties are straight as they report for deckchair rearranging duty.

Posted by: Herr Morgenholz at July 20, 2010 11:20 PM (h/zKr)

747 Would this headline, "NAACP Audience Likes Racist Parts of Speech, Dislikes Redemptive Part of Speech" be consistent with the recording of the whole speech?

Posted by: eman at July 20, 2010 11:20 PM (3nHRI)

748 Drew, Ace... ya know...

Oprah is retiring in a little while. You might be able to grab that gig after today.
Just sayin'.

You guys. I tell ya.




Posted by: sifty at July 20, 2010 11:20 PM (BimL7)

749 How about the lady who is defending this racist get the "Joe the Plumber" treatment?

Methinks there be a steady streak of solid "D" votes and donations in her past . . . .

It is fair. Everything is fair after what the left did the last few elections. Not even old grannies are off limits now.

That's the new rules. We fought against them. We lost. Now it's time to play.

Posted by: jimmuy at July 20, 2010 11:21 PM (EvB76)

750 I can't believe I read all 740 comments!!

For whatever reason I still think there is more to all of this. I feel like I'm watching a chess match.

Next move should be interesting.

Posted by: SJR2 at July 20, 2010 11:22 PM (oCbCP)

751 Posted by: Herr Morgenholz at July 20, 2010 11:18 PM (h/zKr)

The ability to admit you are unwilling to view all evidence now available and yet still insist on your superior knowledge is interesting.


(and by "interesting" I mean ridiculous)

Posted by: DrewM. at July 20, 2010 11:22 PM (X/Lqh)

752 >>> We don't let Sheets Byrd off the hook 50 years after he took off his sheets, so why the fuck are we so happy to let this chick off the hook after only half the time has elapsed?

So wait -- it IS about Sherrod?

Having trouble figuring out what the angle is currently.

First of all, "we" never let Byrd off.

Second, I don't want to let this woman off. Odds are -- hey, she's a racist!

Wanna know what's missing?

Evidence, because the tape by its own terms is the recounting of past racism which she has now overcome.

But the tape was sold as evidence of current racism.

it's not. The tape is misleading.

Posted by: ace at July 20, 2010 11:22 PM (KUUXH)

753 Here's the Krauhammer Video Saying She Is Owed An Apology

Posted by: newser at July 20, 2010 11:22 PM (39SGJ)

754 (and by "interesting" I mean ridiculous)

Call it world-weary. I hear there's a story of redemption...... Yawn. Self serving bullshit.

Forgive me for not being as credulous as you.

(and by "credulous" I mean "naive little Pavlovian afraid of his own shadow")

Posted by: Herr Morgenholz at July 20, 2010 11:25 PM (h/zKr)

755 746,

So, the audience has no clue this is a redemption speech until somewhere along the way they get it.

So, how do we interpret their reaction to her bad acts? Are they reacting like they approve, disapprove, are shocked? what? Do they know by then that she is recounting an unpleasant but necessary prelude to a pleasing finish?



Posted by: eman at July 20, 2010 11:26 PM (3nHRI)

756 Posted by: Herr Morgenholz at July 20, 2010 11:25 PM (h/zKr)

You really should get your own shtick.

On the upside, at least you read all the way through the comment. That's progress.

Posted by: DrewM. at July 20, 2010 11:27 PM (X/Lqh)

757 752..

That's serious dedication right there. Usually the thread changes completely from top to bottom but, tonight, it's been pretty consistent throughout.

Posted by: jmflynny at July 20, 2010 11:29 PM (NHK5s)

758 Posted by: ace at July 20, 2010 11:22 PM (KUUXH)

Huh?

No we didn't let Sheets off. I said that. Words: They're important.

So wait -- it IS about Sherrod?

Well, Lindsey's in the jug, so we have to talk about someone. (Actually, it's about government in general. And killin' Cracka babies. But mostly it's the Cracka Baby thang.)

Odds are -- hey, she's a racist!


No shit? Let me consider that for a while.


Posted by: Herr Morgenholz at July 20, 2010 11:30 PM (h/zKr)

759 751 J,

no, no we can't use reciprocity or we'll lose the vaunted Alan Alda swing vote

Posted by: sven10077 at July 20, 2010 11:30 PM (kq1lG)

760 On the upside, at least you read all the way through the comment. That's
progress.

Not really. I still moved my lips.

Posted by: Herr Morgenholz at July 20, 2010 11:31 PM (h/zKr)

761 Yeah and it's edited at 21.02, wonder why.

You mean the "full" tape, that the NAACP ITSELF put out has an edit? Curious. So, it's not a "full" tape that the NAACP is putting out itself.

Was Rose Mary Woods operating the camera?
http:// en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rose_Mary_Woods

Posted by: cheshirecat at July 20, 2010 11:32 PM (kHbWt)

762 Here's the shitty truth, folks.

Lefties can lie from here to next Sunday, they can be sloppy, they can get away with all sorts of crap - because of the way the media is structured in this country.

Conservatives get away with nothing. So we can't be sloppy. We have to dot every damn i and cross every t because we'll draw fire from every direction if we don't. Biden says 20 asinine things every day and the MSM chuckles and says "Oh, that Joe." Palin makes a typo on Twitter and late-night comics have a week's worth of material. That's just the way it is. We have to be at least 3 times as smart and 10 times as wily as they are. There must be thousands of liberal snots hoping Breitbart dies of cancer tomorrow - so he has to be especially careful he doesn't hand them ammo.

Posted by: Diane at July 20, 2010 11:32 PM (A5wOk)

763 748....

Herr, I had no beef with you until you mocked me for, of all things, having integrity, while gleefully renouncing your own.

Just like a family, when we hit the ONT, all will be forgiven.

Posted by: jmflynny at July 20, 2010 11:32 PM (NHK5s)

764 Just like a family, when we hit the ONT knock cousin Jimmy out of his wheelchair, all will be forgiven.

Posted by: Herr Morgenholz at July 20, 2010 11:34 PM (h/zKr)

765 "Evidence, because the tape by its own terms is the recounting of past
racism which she has now overcome." -ace

When did she overcome racism? She treated the white farmer much worse than black farmers. She never says she's sorry and never tells the story of the time she treated a white person as if they were black. She never even says people should, despite often saying they should not. She simply thinks we should ALSO have a war on poverty.

This wonderful story of contrition for her really awful treatment of that farmer (and really, consider just how awful that was from the farmer's POV, whether he's the guy CNN claims he is or not) has yet to be told.

Is it about the audience, or is it about the message they were applauding and amening? It's hard to neatly cut one from the other, so those who insist we do are kinda being unfair, aren't they?

At the end of the day, Breitbart and anyone watching his shorter video did get a less accurate view than they get if they watch the entire speech. BUT it's not that far from reality and Sherrod is still a bigot who shouldn't have power.

"The audience was told something you weren't, initially-- that the story
would have a moral ending.
"

No they weren't. Folks, you need to watch the video for yourself and not take this description. It's not true. She never explains that racism is wrong, or that she's going to explain that it's wrong. She does announce that sometimes it's about 'the poor' and not 'black vs white' before describing her racism. I knew what she was going to say: that she helped a white guy a little, but far less than she'd have helped a black, and that she'd proud of herself for this racism.

I didn't know she would then play racial politics to an even greater extent on calling Ace, Drew, me, and you racists simply because Obama is black and we opposed Obamacare.

End of the day: Breitbart was accused of cutting out the truth, and he didn't do that at all. sometimes it's hard to get all the facts perfect, and I admit Breitbart didn't prove that wrong at all. He's not a liar, though. He's not a libeler.

Posted by: Legendary Film Star Rick Moranis at July 20, 2010 11:35 PM (dUOK+)

766 If a family hug breaks out, I'm fucking outta here.

Posted by: ErikW at July 20, 2010 11:35 PM (E1/9G)

767 What I find wholly fascinating is that when the Bush administration was "in power" ( I use power cause it seems to be what they find wholly intoxicating about being part of the in group) these people would jump on anything to create problems. So much so that I recall GWB deciding not to golf anymore while soldiers were in harms way. They criticized anything and everything and didn't seem to care whether the truth was a part of it or not. I am still being told that Sarah Palin said she could see the russians from her window and that she is an idiot. When you tell them that sarah palin didn't say that, but tina fey did, they seem unfazed, as though that "small detail" doesn't really matter to the agenda they are focused on which is making sure the "she is an idiot" label sticks to palin like glue. Sometimes it is really shocking to see how people take sides and seem to think they must be a unified force and they must "take a stand". What seems to separate people, however, is their character or lack thereof. some people are perfectly willing to go along with something they know to be a lie simply to forward their cause in the "ends justifies the means, divide and conquer" bunch. these kinds of people don't prize the truth, or what is right and just unless it concerns one of them, one of the bunch. the other group is a little more independent and prizes character and the truth and justice in the true sense and does not believe the end justifies the means. Living everyday, you sort of know what group you are in and why you are there and what you are not willing to do or say. thus you know your own limitations. It may be an advantage to those who don't prize character and the truth that they know the other side does prize these and, as such, won't violate them. Even folks who you think prize them, or you think should prize them, may not and you won't know until an occasions arises for them to be exposed. So, essentially, if you know you have the limitation of following what you believe and needing truth and true justice well then you know you have these limitations and that you can be attacked simply because they know you won't fabricate or lie or cheat but hey, that's the way it is and you need to adjust your thinking accordingly.

Posted by: curious at July 20, 2010 11:35 PM (p302b)

768 You see this thread? Look at this thread. You know what I see?

I see "Why We Lose."

If the information changes, you reassess the information. Unless you're a Republican, in which case you accuse each other of lying, not having integrity, being weak, being on the other side, having excessive nose hair, yadda yadda yadda.

Sweet Baby Jesus, why do we bother? We could just get in a fight every day and skip the "trying to win" part, we'd spend a lot less money.

Extended video comes out, alters basis of original story but still shows a lot of "race preference" crap with a dose of Marxist Class Warfare.

Correct Answer: Note changes to original message, new information, discuss.

Republican answer: Free fire on friends and neighbors!

We can talk shit all day long about how the MFM is shrinking, weak, etc., but they still set the narrative. And as long as they do, nothing we do will get past day one, doesn't matter if it's Ayers or Wright or Soros or Petrobras or SEIU.

And we aren't going to do anything about the narrative because we're too busy trying to out-perfect each other.

Posted by: Merovign, Even More Sick Of It at July 20, 2010 11:36 PM (bxiXv)

769 How about the lady who is defending this racist get the "Joe the
Plumber" treatment?

Wait, you think the "Joe the Plumber treatment" is okay? Ugh. Shame on you.

Posted by: Gabriel Malor at July 20, 2010 11:36 PM (1TvCg)

770 >>>So, the audience has no clue this is a redemption speech until somewhere along the way they get it.

Um, no, she introduces it as such, something that was cut out of the video you saw.

Please try to keep current.

It is getting kind of apparent that some people really don't even want to watch the tape because they don't want the facts to change.

Posted by: ace at July 20, 2010 11:37 PM (KUUXH)

771
I ask again, would this headline, "NAACP Audience Likes Racist Parts of Speech, Dislikes Redemptive Part of Speech" be consistent with the recording of the whole speech?

Posted by: eman at July 20, 2010 11:37 PM (3nHRI)

772 you mocked me for, of all things, having integrity

No I admire people seeking what the truth of things are. This racist bitch probably did get a bum rap, from what everybody's saying.

I just don't really care, anymore. What's happening is that we are in total policing mode on this side of the aisle, while they just trip over the bodies of innocent victims on the way to the next Wannsee conference on their side.

Just weary,. is all.

Posted by: Herr Morgenholz at July 20, 2010 11:38 PM (h/zKr)

773 773...

Again, the audience was also supportive of her admonishments to the black community.

Posted by: jmflynny at July 20, 2010 11:40 PM (NHK5s)

774 And we aren't going to do anything about the
narrative because we're too busy trying to out-perfect each other.

Posted by: Merovign, Even More Sick Of It at July 20, 2010 11:36 PM
(bxiXv)
This

Posted by: Herr Morgenholz at July 20, 2010 11:41 PM (h/zKr)

775 Merovign, you do realize when you talk that way you are setting up a Stabbed In the Back scenario, right?

And that you're not going to get a lot of traction with the people you're accusing of Stabbing In the Back?

And anyway, I dispute your premise that this is MY fault because I won't sing from the hymnal with the group.

The hymnal sucks. Find another one. It's not my fault this one fucking sucks.

Posted by: ace at July 20, 2010 11:41 PM (KUUXH)

776 772,

ace, sorry, I misread what you wrote.

Posted by: eman at July 20, 2010 11:42 PM (3nHRI)

777 I know this about The Narrative: It will be displaced with truth, not with a lie almost as contrived as The Narrative itself.

Posted by: ace at July 20, 2010 11:42 PM (KUUXH)

778 It is getting kind of apparent that some people really don't even want
to watch the tape because they don't want the facts to change.

You're basically talking to me, or people like me.

Facts haven't changed. I just checked both Drudge and Fox, and we still have a race-hustling piece of shit in the White House.

Will update in the AM.

Posted by: Herr Morgenholz at July 20, 2010 11:43 PM (h/zKr)

779 " We have to dot every damn i and cross every t
because we'll draw fire from every direction if we don't. Biden says 20
asinine things every day and the MSM chuckles and says "Oh, that Joe."
Palin makes a typo on Twitter and late-night comics have a week's worth
of material. That's just the way it is. We have to be at least 3 times
as smart and 10 times as wily as they are. There must be thousands of
liberal snots hoping Breitbart dies of cancer tomorrow - so he has to be
especially careful he doesn't hand them ammo.

Posted by: Diane at July 20, 2010 11:32 PM (A5wOk)"
Yeah, apparently, because many on the right will relentlessly gun after truth telling Breitbart.But guess what: we aren't perfect and we will make a lot of mistakes, types, get the facts somewhat off (She said this while serving in a senior federal role! But she was speaking about the past and praising herself) while seeing the bigger picture (what a fucking uncontrite racist bigot Shirley is!).This idea that we have to hold ourselves up to honorable levels is a good one. Breitbart did this, and DrewM, in accusing him libel (that is, malicious lying), probably made a mistake and didn't in this case.The idea that we have to tear eachother apart when we aren't perfect is ridiculous, though.
I recall the barton apology. It was said that BP was so wrong that we shouldn't be sorry to them, and we would look ridiculous even if a shakedown occurred.Well, in this case, the NAACP and Shirley and the audience are ALL extremely wrong. None wronger than the most recent statement from the NAACP, mirroring Drew M's accusation of malicious deception. Why should be pretend Shirley was telling a tale about why racism is wrong? That's worse than the Barton apology, especially from a political view.she didn't say her racism was wrong. She said she overcame it because some levels of suffering in whites warrant some help too. She had ample opportunity to show that her racism was wrong, but it doesn't even appear that she recognized what she did as racism.Please, don't take my word for it. Watch this video yourself.

Posted by: Legendary Film Star Rick Moranis at July 20, 2010 11:43 PM (dUOK+)

780 I know this about The Narrative: It will be displaced with truth

Hee hee.

Posted by: MFM at July 20, 2010 11:44 PM (h/zKr)

781 While you CAN prove that you are/were racist (by admitting it), you CANNOT prove that you are no longer racist.

This is called proving a negative, or in fancy terms, argumentum ad ignoratum.

Or as Carl Sagan once noted: "absence of evidence is not evidence of absence"

Posted by: cheshirecat at July 20, 2010 11:44 PM (kHbWt)

782 779 Ace,

so when will you magically get the narrative set to "self-admitted former racist successfully sues the government for billions is rewarded with an SES-1 or so slot by the very agency she sued, is now in charge of 114 billion dollars of potential relief"???
cause all I'm hearing is "rrr"
"rrrrrrrrrrraaaaaaccccccciiiiiiisssssstttttt!"

Posted by: sven10077 at July 20, 2010 11:44 PM (kq1lG)

783 Herr,

As several commenters have said tonight, Ace and Drew included, we don't control the media, nor the public schools, nor the colleges. What our side does have is integrity. In fact, a lack of it, the two-facedness of the left, is part of what makes us all so crazy.

We give up integrity and we've lost one of the few unique identifiers that the right can claim as its own.

Posted by: jmflynny at July 20, 2010 11:45 PM (NHK5s)

784 Dammit, Drew! I'm getting sore!

Posted by: The Pooch at July 20, 2010 11:45 PM (YVZlY)

785 Breitbart has to decide for himself if he's going to apologize to her for misrepresenting her in trying to get the NAACP. If he doesn't we can make our own decisions about his integrity.
As for Sherrod herself, she misused her position and violated public trust in a role to distribute public resources, doesn't make any difference if she was working for a non profit or a government agency. That alone disqualifies her from holding any public service office and the time lapse between now and when it happened doesn't change that. She should have resigned or been fired.
She may well be a changed person but she is still responsible for her past actions and we shouldn't expect some government hiring bureaucrat or elected official deciding who is repentant enough. In government, when you violate public trust your done, end of story. Well except for the numbnuts we elect.

Posted by: lowandslow at July 20, 2010 11:46 PM (GZitp)

786 "Um, no, she introduces it as such, something that
was cut out of the video you saw.





Please try to keep current.





It is getting kind of apparent that some people really don't even want
to watch the tape because they don't want the facts to change.







Posted by: ace at July 20, 2010 11:37 PM (KUUXH)"
Um, except you made that up. Breitbart didn't 'cut' this introduction out. He just didn't have access to it. And she never says she's sorry for her racism. She is satisfied to have treated the white guy a lot worse than she's have treated a black.She has a hard time showing clearly which is better: blacks helping blacks, which she repeatedly praises, and helping the poor. She seems to support both and never abandons the former. And the audience saw that because they actually watched the speech.

Posted by: Legendary Film Star Rick Moranis at July 20, 2010 11:47 PM (dUOK+)

787 782,

how many licks will it take for the neocon to get to the "integrity in our reporting" middle of the tootsie pop.....?

"+eleventy gajillion!"

Posted by: MFM at July 20, 2010 11:47 PM (kq1lG)

788 Or as Carl Sagan once noted: "absence of evidence is not evidence of absence"
Carl Sagan was a worthless fuckingpot head.

Posted by: ErikW at July 20, 2010 11:48 PM (E1/9G)

789 We give up integrity and we've lost one of the few unique
identifiers that the right can claim as its own.

My integrity is not worth my kids having their BMI indexes a matter of public record. It's just not worth the loss of their freedom.

We are not taking this fight seriously if we're saying "As long as I can live with myself, things will be OK".

That's just fucking naive. Did you see what was on Journolist? A fifth column. They were disenfranchising you, actively.

Posted by: Herr Morgenholz at July 20, 2010 11:49 PM (h/zKr)

790 I'm still glad she was fired, but then I have been studying auditing so my standards are obscenely high.

Posted by: Ben at July 20, 2010 11:50 PM (5UYJL)

791 Dammit Ace thanks for letting us trash your yard everyday. We go back home and to work and you get to live with the mess we leave. Everyday.

Posted by: td at July 20, 2010 11:50 PM (w7TI0)

792 Breitbart did this, and DrewM, in accusing him libel (that is, malicious lying), probably made a
mistake and didn't in this case.
Posted by: Legendary Film Star Rick Moranis at July 20, 2010 11:43 PM
(dUOK+)

You really need to do some basic fact checking (which is kind of the theme of the night). I never said Breitbart libeled her. I said (in number 658 if you care to check) "The person who put it together libled her."

I don't know who put it together.

It's really hard to take people seriously who are so cavalier with the truth.

Posted by: DrewM. at July 20, 2010 11:50 PM (X/Lqh)

793 >>Um, except you made that up. Breitbart didn't 'cut' this introduction out. He just didn't have access to it.

I keep reading this but it's not true. Breitbart said tonight that he has had the whole tape the entire time but didn't release it because he hasn't gotten permission from the person who sent it to him.

Posted by: JackStraw at July 20, 2010 11:50 PM (VW9/y)

794 When my little boy grows up in a different world than I did, I'm sure that he'll be happy I didn't make any racists cry.

Posted by: sifty at July 20, 2010 11:51 PM (BimL7)

795 Regardless of what the tape caption itself says or when she claims this racism occurred, she admitted something which, HAD SHE REVEALED IT TO HER EMPLOYER, would have barred her from gaining her current position.

In fact, to me it shows malicious intent.

Posted by: cheshirecat at July 20, 2010 11:51 PM (kHbWt)

796 Are Ace and Drew gunning for a job at MSNBC or something? Concern-trolling your own blog... maybe it's some kind of meta-internet Andy Kaufman thing.

Posted by: the peanut gallery at July 20, 2010 11:52 PM (NurK6)

797 Carl Sagan was a worthless fucking pot head.

True, but it doesn't change the truth of the statement. He simply restated A ad I in simple English.

Posted by: cheshirecat at July 20, 2010 11:52 PM (kHbWt)

798 777
Merovign, you do realize when you talk that way you are setting up a
Stabbed In the Back scenario, right?



And that you're not going to get a lot of traction with the people
you're accusing of Stabbing In the Back?



And anyway, I dispute your premise that this is MY fault because I won't
sing from the hymnal with the group.



The hymnal sucks. Find another one. It's not my fault this one fucking
sucks.
Posted by: ace at July 20, 2010 11:41 PM (KUUXH)

I didn't name names because there's no one person to blame. I'm not blaming you, I'm not the one calling you names.

I just don't think we're going to get past the fact that we have rules and they don't. I *want* them to follow the damned rules, but you can't make 'em.

Maybe journolist has enough tendrils to do a little real closet-cleaning in the MFM, but the fact that there are SO MANY corrupt, lying sacks of dung around who will do or say anything to "win," and we can't even get the word out most of the time, and when we do it's forgotten the next day...

I'm not on the "we have to act like them" side at all, my blood presure just goes through the roof when the MFM pulls the "narrative trick" and everyone just goes along with it, either because they can't think of a way around it, or they're in defensive mode, or because some new scandal comes along.

It's a long, hard fight, it will never end, we're not making up any
ground, and I'm tired. Real tired.

Posted by: Merovign, Even More Sick Of It at July 20, 2010 11:52 PM (bxiXv)

799 Herr,

You seem to believe the a tough fight and integrity are mutually exclusive.


Are you saying that one cannot fight a fight, and win, if they jeep their honor intact?

Posted by: jmflynny at July 20, 2010 11:53 PM (NHK5s)

800 You really need to do some basic fact checking (which is kind of the
theme of the night).

That's the problem, Drew. We're not talking the same language.



Posted by: Herr Morgenholz at July 20, 2010 11:53 PM (h/zKr)

801 "While you CAN prove that you are/were racist (by admitting it), you
CANNOT prove that you are no longer racist."

Well, I was promised a video showing how sorry and contrite she was for racism. I didn't get that. I'm not asking for a mind reading, I'm asking for this message about why the white farmer oppression was wrong.

And that does not appear in the 40 minute video, where she does eventually help the white guy.

"Breitbart has to decide for himself if he's going to apologize to her
for misrepresenting her in trying to get the NAACP. If he doesn't we can
make our own decisions about his integrity.
As for Sherrod herself,
she misused her position and violated public trust in a role to
distribute public resources, doesn't make any difference if she was
working for a non profit or a gov"

Um, why apolgize? She's every inch a racist. The story is clearly about when this event took place, but she wasn't sorry for it today or ever. She said on CNN today that she wasn't racist at any point and she clearly doesn't think she has any racism to be sorry for. She's telling you that what she did, what Ace seems to think she is explaining was wrong, wasn't wrong and wasn't even racial discrimination (as bizarre as her view is).

Breitbart should just get the most accurate set of facts out that he can at any point in time about the story he is covering. He is doing that. She was a bigot either way. IT was an absolute affront that she was a federal official either way. She was a bigot while being a federal official (when she made this bigoted speech) either way. She's actually taking her bigotry to a new level in this full speech. Probably worse than ever in her career, assuming all Obama opponents are racists.

No, Breitbart's brand isn't damaged at all and he has no apology to make. He just needs to have updated the story as more facts come in.

Read this blog over the last week if you want a great example of not having the full facts and then updating. there's really nothing immoral about it.

Posted by: Legendary Film Star Rick Moranis at July 20, 2010 11:53 PM (dUOK+)

802 The NAACP called the Tea Party racist and based on everything out there to date who looks to be more inclined to be using race as a weapon or grievance to this point?

And that's really what it all boils down to. If you want to bend over backwards in an effort to display complete devotion to intellectual honesty, be my guest.

I see this as the beginning of a climactic battle of wills, and the "holier than thou" bullshit is a pathetic exercise, and a self defeating one as well.

But if feeling good about yourselves works for you boys, keep in mind that it's what feeds the leftist belly too.


Posted by: ontherocks at July 20, 2010 11:53 PM (HBqDo)

803 >>>Um, except you made that up. Breitbart didn't 'cut' this introduction out. He just didn't have access to it.

HOW MANY FUCKING TIMES DO I HAVE TO SAY I'M NOT BLAMING BREITBART?

FUCKIN' SHIT! IS EVERYTHING FUCKING ABOUT HEROES AND VILLAINS?!

JESUS CHRIST ALL MIGHTY.

I DIDN'T SAY BREITBART CUT IT. I SAID IT WAS CUT. AND IT WAS FUCKING CUT YOU FUCKING CRETIN.

Posted by: ace at July 20, 2010 11:54 PM (KUUXH)

804 Can we all get along?

Oh. And where's my farm subsidy check?

Posted by: rodney king at July 20, 2010 11:54 PM (7b1Uc)

805 Are you saying that one cannot fight a fight, and win, if they jeep
their honor intact?

Practically every mouldering corpse had honor.

Many a bastard walks the earth to this day.

Take your pick.

Posted by: Herr Morgenholz at July 20, 2010 11:54 PM (h/zKr)

806 Jesus Christ, all you are interested in is protecting and propping up personalities, that's it, that's all you care about, hero of the fucking week, all that fucking matters.

Posted by: ace at July 20, 2010 11:54 PM (KUUXH)

807 I don't think it's fair to say Ace and Drew are concern trolling or secret liberals. I think Drew in particular, but sometimes Ace, get really caught up in winning an argument.

Step back and watch the video. Is she treating whites worse than blacks? Is she advocating blacks take care of their 'own kind' first? Is she sorry? That she sees an additional complexity of the poverty war doesn't make her sorry. She isn't sorry.

Posted by: Legendary Film Star Rick Moranis at July 20, 2010 11:56 PM (dUOK+)

808 But I don't think I'm against him. This tape, however, was very misleading (if not dishonest) as presented, and Breitbart, alas, was burned by it (as was Obama, and the NAACP, and me...)

I understand your view here, Ace,that perhaps Andrew rushed ahead of himself without thinking carefully about the consequences. I get that.

I still don't feel any sympathy for Sherrod or the NAALCP however. God knows we've been down this road before turned around the other way. Perhaps I've lost my sympathy in general. Perhaps, the boy has cried "Wolf" too many times...

Posted by: cheshirecat at July 20, 2010 11:56 PM (kHbWt)

809 808 Ace,
no I'm in the tearing down the grinning jug eared mongoloiud with the chainsaw residing at the CEO desk of USA inc thanks....

and if I have to out mean Markos Moldytatas to get it done then that "lost moral perfection" I had to give up to beat them at their own game....that's my gift to my great grandkids so they can own a gun, open a business, and have goddamned air conditioning of so inclined....

Posted by: sven10077 at July 20, 2010 11:57 PM (kq1lG)

810 "Jesus Christ, all you are interested in is protecting and propping up
personalities, that's it, that's all you care about, hero of the fucking
week, all that fucking matters."

Or maybe you're just wrong, and there was nothing immoral or illegal about publicizing the video clip?

Posted by: the peanut gallery at July 20, 2010 11:57 PM (NurK6)

811 I'm outta here.

"People cannot be reasoned out of a position they were never reasoned into in the first place."

Posted by: ace at July 20, 2010 11:57 PM (KUUXH)

812 Jesus Christ, all you are interested in is protecting and propping up
personalities, that's it, that's all you care about, hero of the fucking
week, all that fucking matters.

Actually, I'm also slightly interested in deposing the socialists and dying not worrying that my kids will be living off of farmer's cheese made of yak milk and goat piss.

Posted by: Herr Morgenholz at July 20, 2010 11:58 PM (h/zKr)

813 "People cannot be reasoned out of a position they were never reasoned
into in the first place."

No shit.

Now, can you be more specific, or was that just drive-by pseudo-intellectuallism of the Manhattan type?

Posted by: Herr Morgenholz at July 20, 2010 11:59 PM (h/zKr)

814 Yeah Herr, I fucking got that, Johnny Fucking One-Note come to save the Republic.

CHECK.

Posted by: ace at July 20, 2010 11:59 PM (KUUXH)

815 808
Jesus Christ, all you are interested in is protecting and propping up
personalities, that's it, that's all you care about, hero of the fucking
week, all that fucking matters.

Posted by: ace at July 20, 2010 11:54 PM (KUUXH)


Huh?

Winning is all that matters. Making excuses for your opponent is a wasteful intellectual conceit.

Posted by: ontherocks at July 21, 2010 12:00 AM (HBqDo)

816 808
Jesus Christ, all you are interested in is protecting and propping up
personalities, that's it, that's all you care about, hero of the fucking
week, all that fucking matters.

Posted by: ace at July 20, 2010 11:54 PM (KUUXH)
I think it's time for a movie review thread.

Posted by: Merovign, Sadly at July 21, 2010 12:00 AM (bxiXv)

817 "People cannot be reasoned out of a position they were never reasoned
into in the first place."

Good point. No reasonable person could disagree about this. That's why you're the Ace, and we're the morons.

Posted by: the peanut gallery at July 21, 2010 12:01 AM (NurK6)

818 Johnny Fucking One-Note come to save the Republic.

One fucking note would be a goddammed start.

Posted by: Herr Morgenholz at July 21, 2010 12:01 AM (h/zKr)

819 I just don't think we're going to get past the fact that we have rules and they don't. I *want* them to follow the damned rules, but you can't make 'em.

The problem, though, is when those rules are set up in such a lop-sided way to guarantee a prefered outcome no matter what you do, you start to feel like James T. Kirk and the Kobayashi Maru simulator.

I think we are starting to see some on the right-hand side starting to reprogram the computer...for good or ill.

Posted by: cheshirecat at July 21, 2010 12:01 AM (kHbWt)

820 813 Ace,
Goodnight Pa....

pity you or Drew didn't respond to my post about "my shattered moral perfection" being a gift to my Grandkids...because frankly those are the stakes I am seeing.....
have a good'un

Posted by: sven10077 at July 21, 2010 12:01 AM (kq1lG)

821 >>> Winning is all that matters.

Yeah, and it's your cool-eyed judgment about matters political we should trust, huh?

Hey, I've got a busted flush! ALL IN!! ALL IN!! ALL IN!!

JUDGMENT IS FOR FAGGOTTY URBAN INTELLECTUALS!!!

Posted by: ace at July 21, 2010 12:02 AM (KUUXH)

822 OK, I'm not coming down on one side or another here, because I think there's more to this story, and the FillyJury remains out. I will say, however, that this did not get legs in the MFM until the farmer's family magically appeared. It might just be one enormous setup from Breitbart.

Also note that two different reports from people on this thread claiming to have watched the entire tape offer polar conclusions. I'm honestly wondering if we're all literally watching the same recording here.

My question from the previous thread remains: The farmer's wife (and I still can't figure out if there was a namecheck from Sherrod herself) says that Sherrod DID send them to a black AND a white lawyer, which seems to contradict the clip, and that they're total BFF's now. So... why would she lie to make herself sound more racist than she presumably is? To pump up the story?

This whole thing is quickly becoming one of those Watergate/SL style impenetrable scandals in which trying to find the truth is like hacking through a jungle (sorry, RAAAAAAAAAAAACIST) rain forest with a butter knife.

Posted by: Filly at July 21, 2010 12:03 AM (4EjRJ)

823 You guys are not getting it.

I am not in favor of "integrity" here.

I am in favor of you abandoning an insanely bad position so you don't look like fucking desperate retards.

Posted by: ace at July 21, 2010 12:03 AM (KUUXH)

824 Well, I was promised a video showing how sorry and contrite she was for
racism.
Posted by: Legendary Film Star Rick Moranis at July 20, 2010 11:53 PM
(dUOK+)

Well then like Rick in Casablanca, you were misinformed.

She wasn't there to ask for absolution, it was an awards dinner. She simply used her past experience to illustrate how it's possible to change and improve as a person.


And that does not appear in the 40 minute video, where she does
eventually help the white guy.

Did you watch it? Did you miss the part where after sending him to a lawyer she followed up and when the lawyer told the guy he was shit out of luck she scrambledo to stop him from losing his farm? Did you miss the part where the family says she worked tirelessly for them and they owe her for saving them?

Seriously guys, you can have your own opinion of her but this ignoring statements from the people involved and substituting your own version really isn't helping your case.

Posted by: DrewM. at July 21, 2010 12:04 AM (X/Lqh)

825 What the fuck is your problem, Ace?

People disagree with your oh-so-wondrous analysis and you act like a fucking teenaged girl on the goddammed rag. Jeeezzus! There is no discussion with you except at the top of everybody's fucking lungs.

Posted by: Herr Morgenholz at July 21, 2010 12:04 AM (h/zKr)

826 just because she wasn't working at USDA doesn't mean that she wasn't responsible for apportioning taxpayer funds (and where the hell else would the "NGO" get its money?), in which case she was a government agent with the same duties as a government employee.

Posted by: kathleen at July 21, 2010 12:04 AM (dJLhX)

827 >>>People disagree with your oh-so-wondrous analysis and you act like a fucking teenaged girl on the goddammed rag. Jeeezzus!

I've heard the same "Brave Man Come To Save The Republic" bullshit from you six times tonight, Herr. When the fuck do I get some relief from your unending heroism?

Posted by: ace at July 21, 2010 12:05 AM (KUUXH)

828 825 Ace,

what precisely was retarded about Breibart's assertion that the NAACP may want to check whether or not the membership has gone Mike Holmes and put in nice glass walls before they throw stones at the tea party....
that little broadside would have landed nicely had we not succumbed to our own genuine, "hi I am a concerned christian conservative" routine

Posted by: sven10077 at July 21, 2010 12:06 AM (kq1lG)

829 I've heard the same "Brave Man Come To Save The Republic" bullshit from
you six times tonight, Herr.

Six times? No shit?

List them, please.

Posted by: Herr Morgenholz at July 21, 2010 12:06 AM (h/zKr)

830 >>>what precisely was retarded about Breibart's assertion that the NAACP may want to check whether or not the membership has gone Mike Holmes and put in nice glass walls before they throw stones at the tea party....

The tape made a more specific assertion than that and you know it.

Are you really unaware you're deliberately moving goalposts?

Eh, say what you want. I don't care. I really, really don't care.

And in week, when you're wondering, gee, why aren't the MFM taking this story seriously, you can come back to this thread and read people trying to explain to you why.

Posted by: ace at July 21, 2010 12:08 AM (KUUXH)

831 It's really interesting, they are in lock step, they get their talking points every day (Mika actually reads from her blackberry) they've gotten no less than 4 eamils in the last 4 days, after a drought of only maybe 1 email from the campaign every two weeks. And, I'm feeling that maybe this thread is a microcosm of what is going on within the republican party. If so, we do certainly have chaos (where's kratos?) So in the July before the November elections the dems are in lockstep, media behind them with "the narrative" and the republicans appear to be in chaos. So maybe joe is able to unequivocally say the dems will win across the board in November because, based on past performance, he knows the republican party will successfully shoot itself in the foot? I think I'm getting now why Beck always earnestly asks his audience to know who they are and what they believe. Cause look how easily a fight can break out and the real issues can wither on the vine. Not that this isn't an issue, heck ol eric said this his first week in office and it sure looks like it is coming to fruition. So, the dems have it easy, no rules and the reublicans may not have it so easy cause they have personal rules and maybe a little chaos thrown in, not insurmountable but still daunting. If you think about it, attacking the tea party and sarah palin is working cause really they are the only entities that are really making them sweat. the other day my dem friend made a joke but I got the point...he said "wonder what presidential candidate we will pick for the republicans this tiem?"

Posted by: curious at July 21, 2010 12:08 AM (p302b)

832 why aren't the MFM taking this story seriously

Vacation?

Posted by: Herr Morgenholz at July 21, 2010 12:09 AM (h/zKr)

833 Oh boy, this is gonna be one of those "epic" threads again, innit?

Do we have enough Valu-Rite stocked for the apocalypse?

We're going down in fucking flames, but at least we've got all our ducks in order.

Well, if America is going to go down for the final count, at least I'll have a nice suit to be buried in.

Posted by: cheshirecat at July 21, 2010 12:09 AM (kHbWt)

834 832 herr,
There must be some other O'bama administration than the one I live in....

you know one that is just pleasantly misguided and slightly misundersttod and doesn't think tbhey have the duty and burden of making all those pesky life decisions we take for granted for well all of us but the nobles....on gosh everything.....

Posted by: sven10077 at July 21, 2010 12:09 AM (kq1lG)

835 I don't know about the rest of you, but I'm starting to get kind of sore...

Posted by: The Pooch at July 21, 2010 12:09 AM (YVZlY)

836 I hope that somebody prints this shit out and puts it in a time capsule for our kids to read in 2025. In Chinespanol. In the camps. Instead of eating.

I wish that was more paranoid and wrong than it is.

Posted by: sifty at July 21, 2010 12:09 AM (BimL7)

837 OK. One. Just one, Ace.

Give me one example of my assertion that I am "Brave Man Come To Save The Republic".

Just One.


Posted by: Herr Morgenholz at July 21, 2010 12:10 AM (h/zKr)

838 Vacation?

Too busy covering the "Let's all sing showtunes at the White House" event, I think.

(I've nothing against showtunes or musical theatre, but geez, you think it GWB hosted a "celebration of Country Music" gala at the WH during the Katrina cleanup, we'd be getting such glowing reports?"

Posted by: cheshirecat at July 21, 2010 12:11 AM (kHbWt)

839 833 Ace,

do you not grasp we can dot all the Is and cross all the Ts in perfect DaVinciesque hand and they will still screw us?
You grab the narrative by the throat and force it down throats.....
the reaction of the NAACP and Bury is only logical if you take Breibart at his original word and see it as an indictment of the NAACP and Bury's admin....
letting them move OUR goalposts for us is stupid

Posted by: sven10077 at July 21, 2010 12:11 AM (kq1lG)

840 I don't know about the rest of you, but I'm starting to get kind of sore...

Posted by: The Pooch at July 21, 2010 12:09 AM (YVZlY)

YOU are sore?!?!?

Posted by: The Chicken at July 21, 2010 12:12 AM (kHbWt)

841 I don't know he said he would not rest until everything was right in the gulf and yet he went on a vacation.

Posted by: curious at July 21, 2010 12:12 AM (p302b)

842 According to today's Washington Examiner, Shirley and Charles Sherrod walked away with $13 million in taxpayer dollars as members ofthe largest single settlement in the Civil Rights class action lawsuit against the USDA, Pigford v. Vilsack. This included amounts far in excess of the average claim in the case paid to them for the pain and suffering theysuffered. Shortly after this settlement, she was appointed to the USDA job.
When Pigford was first settled during the Clinton admistration, it was estimated that a total of 2-3,000 claims would be filed as there were only about 27,000 black owned farms in the entire nation. Over 70,000 claims were filed and about 13,000 were settled at a cost to us of $1.15 BILLION. As part of the 2008 Farm Bill, the Democrats reopened the claims process. Who knows how much it will cost us this time, as these claims are still being processed.
Anyone still see Sherrod as a victim? Or wonder why she was fired while Holder is still around. The 2008 Farm Bill was the trial run for the now toxic PORKULUS.

Posted by: NC Mountain Girl at July 21, 2010 12:12 AM (yO+k1)

843 Here's one of several, Herr, where you basically make the dispute not about whether this fucking tape is accurate or a lie, but about WHO WANTS TO SAVE AMERICA and who is too faggoty to save america:

>>>My integrity is not worth my kids having their BMI indexes a matter of public record. It's just not worth the loss of their freedom.

>>>We are not taking this fight seriously if we're saying "As long as I can live with myself, things will be OK".

>>>That's just fucking naive. Did you see what was on Journolist? A fifth column. They were disenfranchising you, actively.

This is the shit that is frankly driving me out of the movement entirely -- this totalitarian idea that if you're not WITH US ON THESE DETAILS, WHY THEN BOYO YOU MUST NOT WANT TO FIGHT, EH, COWARD?

You know what? Next tough guy who intimates that is getting banned. Because I'm sick of the fucking Super Patriot Brigade telling me they are right in every argument and if I disagree with them I must hate America.

Posted by: ace at July 21, 2010 12:13 AM (KUUXH)

844 Yeah, and it's your cool-eyed judgment about matters political we should trust, huh?





Hey, I've got a busted flush! ALL IN!! ALL IN!! ALL IN!!





JUDGMENT IS FOR FAGGOTTY URBAN INTELLECTUALS!!!

I just don't reflexively defend myself when the chimps start throwing their shit.
You know that's what they do, but I won't let them define my fight with their shit. That's all they have and we're not so limited in our arguments or weapons.

Posted by: ontherocks at July 21, 2010 12:13 AM (HBqDo)

845 We're all missing the most vital aspect of this thread, which is the fact that I once had a Twix, and now it is gone.

Posted by: Filly at July 21, 2010 12:13 AM (4EjRJ)

846 >>>letting them move OUR goalposts for us is stupid

I'm really starting to wonder if there is an "OUR."

Posted by: ace at July 21, 2010 12:13 AM (KUUXH)

847 letting them move OUR goalposts for us is stupid
Posted by: sven10077 at July 21, 2010 12:11 AM (kq1lG)
What the fuck happened to the goalposts?

Posted by: a guy looking for the goalposts in their original location at July 21, 2010 12:14 AM (YVZlY)

848 We're all missing the most vital aspect of this thread, which is the fact that I once had a Twix, and now it is gone.

I share my Mars bar with you, if you like.

Posted by: cheshirecat at July 21, 2010 12:14 AM (kHbWt)

849 825...

The "integrity" kick got started earlier with the many arguments that we should push the hell out of the story, regardless of what the full tape revealed.

You know..."like the left" would do.

Posted by: jmflynny at July 21, 2010 12:14 AM (NHK5s)

850 It seems to me there is the Super Patriot Brigade, and then, anyone who wishes to repeat their nonsense.

Anyone who doesn't isn't part of the team.

I keep being told that. I'm starting to believe it.

Posted by: ace at July 21, 2010 12:15 AM (KUUXH)

851 ace, I just watched the first 23 minutes and came away thinking this lady is not the racist she was made out to be and same for the audience.

She told of her initial reaction to the plight of the White farmer with shame in her voice. The audience did not cheer her initial behavior.

The event at 21 minutes deserves a full explanation, but so far I see nothing very troubling.

I heard a story of a recovering bigot.

Posted by: eman at July 21, 2010 12:15 AM (3nHRI)

852 851...

Where the hell did you get a Mars bar?

Posted by: jmflynny at July 21, 2010 12:16 AM (NHK5s)

853 every disagreement -- YOU'RE SABOTAGING MORALE AND STABBING OUR LEADERS IN THE BACK WITH YOUR INSOLENT QUESTIONS!

DON'T YOU KNOW THERE'S A WAR ON BOYO?

Give me a fucking break already.

Posted by: ace at July 21, 2010 12:17 AM (KUUXH)

854 Years ago, when I used to own slaves, there was no way I was gonna let them dirty _________ in my house. Not them people, no way, not 'round my daughters!
But then, one day I was out and got caught in right nasty thunderstorm, I had to seek refuge in this run down little shanty with a dirt floor. No way was I going to make it home for dinner. And I was getting mighty hungry. But then, this po' old ______________ woman came in the shack--it was her home! And saw my hunger and cooked me some mighty fine food. And I thought to myself, those people aren't so bad after all. So now, I've realized that, I let that ___________ woman come over and cook me lunch, she only has to walk 7 miles and I pay her a whole dollar a month!
And that's what it's all about. Sure, we can still keep them in their place. But, sometimes we can help them out.

----------------
The above not-racist, road to Damascus, and "really not not racist in the present tense at all in any way" I expect should be fully defended by Ace and Drew following the current defense.

Either that, or call me names, tell me I miss the point, or pick some nit and blow it up to discredit the whole point.

Muh, whatever. It's like arguing with my wife: There ain't no rhyme or reason, you just have to know she is right and I are being wrong.


Posted by: jimmuy at July 21, 2010 12:19 AM (EvB76)

855 I heard a story of a recovering bigot.

Yeah, that's all beautiful and nice, but she was practicing her bigotry while a taxpayer-funded government employee...which if this were before the passage of the Civil Rights Act might be tolerated, but according to my maths, 2009-25=1984 (Calling Orwell...)

But as I said, regardless of the analysis of the tape, I don't feel sorry for her. That's just a personal feeling. Welcome to the world of government.

Posted by: cheshirecat at July 21, 2010 12:19 AM (kHbWt)

856 849 Ace,
either there is or there isn't....
not a flame sincerely
if we can't unify against the Indonesian Imbecile it is time to blow up the coalition and move on

Posted by: sven10077 at July 21, 2010 12:19 AM (kq1lG)

857 854...

It was right around the 23 min mark where I started becoming uncomfortable again, but the story moves back and forth throughout the 40 minutes and, in the end, she is not some hateful racist. Or, to say, it can't be proven from the tape.

I think some people tonight simply scrolled through the vid listening for key words and committing them to memory.

At least you cared enough to listen.

Posted by: jmflynny at July 21, 2010 12:20 AM (NHK5s)

858
Here's one of several, Herr, where you basically make the dispute not
about whether this fucking tape is accurate or a lie, but about WHO
WANTS TO SAVE AMERICA and who is too faggoty to save america:



>>>My integrity is not worth my kids having their BMI indexes a
matter of public record. It's just not worth the loss of their
freedom.



>>>We are not taking this fight seriously if we're saying "As
long as I can live with myself, things will be OK".



>>>That's just fucking naive. Did you see what was on
Journolist? A fifth column. They were disenfranchising you, actively.




This is the shit that is frankly driving me out of the movement entirely
-- this totalitarian idea that if you're not WITH US ON THESE DETAILS,
WHY THEN BOYO YOU MUST NOT WANT TO FIGHT, EH, COWARD?



You know what? Next tough guy who intimates that is getting banned.
Because I'm sick of the fucking Super Patriot Brigade telling me they
are right in every argument and if I disagree with them I must hate
America.

I stand by every comment you quote.


This is the shit that is frankly driving me out of the movement entirely


What movement? Lindsey Graham is a movement?

Ban away.

You're the fucking purist. It's you who can't tolerate dissent. It's you who won't look at the big picture and say "Hey, maybe I can fuck this up".

I'm not encumbered by your law school education, Ace, where I am confident of all things cerebral. You're on one of your fucking rants again. Go have a beer.

Posted by: Herr Morgenholz at July 21, 2010 12:20 AM (h/zKr)

859 Where the hell did you get a Mars bar?

Same place I get my stash of Walker's Crisps and Twiglets.

Posted by: cheshirecat at July 21, 2010 12:20 AM (kHbWt)

860 This place is cool in a creepy freakish circus way . . .

Posted by: matthew J. O'Connor at July 21, 2010 12:20 AM (8EEyy)

861 856 Ace,
you don't detect a hint of irony in the fact that Harry reid has embraced that very meme....
I get part of what you're saying "stare into the moonbat and the moonbat stares into you".....
but sometimes you need to play a busted flush and have faith in the draw.

Posted by: sven10077 at July 21, 2010 12:21 AM (kq1lG)

862 "I heard a woman
admit that she screwed a farmer over based on his
race."

She did. Deny it, Drew.


Posted by: Herr Morgenholz at July 20, 2010 11:18 PM (h/zKr)
Oh, I deny that categorically.She admitted that she palmed him off on a white lawyer on the assumption that white folk take care of each other.And when the farmer told her that the lawyer wasn't much use, she went to see the lawyer with him to get him to do his job.And when the farmer called again and said the lawyer was a useless fuck, she busted her hump to get him a competent lawyer who saved his family farm.So, in fact, the farmer didn't get screwed over. Unless you count his getting screwed over by the white lawyer who charged him fees for doing absolutely nothing for him.Hmmm... racist lady ends up doing her job and saving the guy's farm because the white lawyer turns out only to be interested in billing for services not rendered.

Posted by: stuiec at July 21, 2010 12:22 AM (W+GYq)

863 Posted by: eman at July 21, 2010 12:15 AM (3nHRI)

Oh no! They got to you too!

The 'edit' around 21 minutes is a tape change. As someone who has been in that position,, all I can say is it sucks. Usually, you can edit around it but if you are shooting an event, nothing you can do about it w/out a second camera.

Posted by: DrewM. at July 21, 2010 12:23 AM (X/Lqh)

864 Lindsey Graham is a movement?

A Bowel Movement.

Posted by: cheshirecat at July 21, 2010 12:23 AM (kHbWt)

865 860 I listened....
help me out....was je$$e jack$on or Juan William$ engaged in a defense of Allen in Virginia that I missed....?
She is a class/race warrior and the enemy....she is not the worst....I'd not walk away from being near her like King Shaboom Shamwow, but that is mostly because she is more polite than he is not that she seems to view the world through a totally different set of prisms.

Posted by: sven10077 at July 21, 2010 12:23 AM (kq1lG)

866 The tape was also there to establish the NAACP has racists in it, and while this woman confesses to past racism (um, she thinks that every white dude wants to show how "superior" he is to her), the full story is supposed to be one of how she learned to look past that.
I'm late to this and maybe it's already been pointed out, but people were showing approval in the audience.
Already mentioned? Wrong? Put me some information.

Posted by: rdbrewer at July 21, 2010 12:24 AM (z6Ex1)

867
It seems to me there is the Super Patriot Brigade, and then, anyone who wishes to repeat their nonsense.





Anyone who doesn't isn't part of the team.





I keep being told that. I'm starting to believe it.

Posted by: ace at July 21, 2010 12:15 AM (KUUXH)
I don't feel the need to be a Super Patriot or part of a brigade (been there, done etc.) I just refuse to be Alinskied and hate like hell to see any other conservative struggle with that.
I'll do the self examination post-op and live with my instincts and the results.

Posted by: ontherocks at July 21, 2010 12:25 AM (HBqDo)

868 "I heard a woman
admit that she screwed a farmer over based on his
race."

She did. Deny
it, Drew.


Posted by: Herr Morgenholz at July 20,
2010 11:18 PM (h/zKr)
Oh, I deny that
categorically.Did she do her job, at the appropriate time, for this white farmer or not, and was her failure to do so based upon his skin tone?


Posted by: Herr Morgenholz at July 21, 2010 12:25 AM (h/zKr)

869 Yeah, that's all beautiful and nice, but she was practicing her bigotry
while a taxpayer-funded government employee
Posted by: cheshirecat at July 21, 2010 12:19 AM (kHbWt)


Only two problems with that theory.

She wasn't a government employee then.

And here are the victims of that bigotry. You may want to have a word with them and tell them they are letting a racist off the hook. You obviously know more about it than they do.

Fucking old people! Why can't they get with the program?

Posted by: DrewM. at July 21, 2010 12:26 AM (X/Lqh)

870 What specifically was edited out - not being a smart ass just want to know.

Posted by: matthew J. O'Connor at July 21, 2010 12:27 AM (8EEyy)

871 In the end the republicans have some really practical problems, like their message doesn't seem to be getting out to the American people. So, in this respect, the tea party is crucial which is why it is being attacked on any and every ground. I mean if journalists can say with a straight face that they didn't know about the BP case being dropped, then there really is a problem with "the message". Most of the country is watching jon stewart and glee and getting their news via headline (they don't even read the stories) But, they do get those emails from the campaign, and they love getting those emails cause it shows they are still part of the group. This is the reason why Sarah palin's twitters are so important and why they are trying to denigrate her too. She's reaching that young base that they are reaching in their faithful (can you donate just 5 bucks) emails. Michael steele certainly has his work cut out for him and I hope it begins with a great email data base of your republicans and conservatives that he can energize.

Posted by: curious at July 21, 2010 12:27 AM (p302b)

872 I mean, Beck's analogy is right, if he were talking about being a drunk in the context of an AA confession and you just put out the "I'm a drunk" part, it's misleading.
True, that would be unfair. But if you were going against AA for supporting alcoholism and there were hoots and hollers of supportfor drunkeness on the tape in the background, your tape would kinda show AA supporting alcoholism regardless of the intent of the "I'm an alcoholic" speaker.
Someone let me know if this has already been cussed and discussed.

Posted by: rdbrewer at July 21, 2010 12:28 AM (z6Ex1)

873 Hmmm... racist lady ends up doing her job and saving the guy's farm because the white lawyer turns out only to be interested in billing for services not rendered.
Posted by: stuiec at July 21, 2010 12:22 AM (W+GYq)
um yeah,
and Archie Bunker did a good turn forWeezy Jefferson once.
Viola! Archie's no longer a racist.
See how that works?
Now get me sammich.....Dingbat.

Posted by: Afro Mojo at July 21, 2010 12:28 AM (wFMDa)

874 I was thinking tonight, as much as people rag on Allahpundit you gotta admit he could have made a big thing about Breitbart's twitter last night about "falling on face while I stand in end
zone?" and didn't. Maybe he did in private, I might have.

Posted by: lowandslow at July 21, 2010 12:29 AM (GZitp)

875 Fucking old people! Why can't they get with the
program?

Posted by: DrewM. at July 21, 2010 12:26 AM (X/Lqh)
Drew's angling for a job on a Death Panel.That was easy.

Posted by: Herr Morgenholz at July 21, 2010 12:29 AM (h/zKr)

876 I'm late to this and maybe it's already been pointed out, but people were showing approval in the audience.

Already mentioned? Wrong? Put me some information.

Yes, it's been covered. The thrust of the argument in medias res is that the intent of the focus is supposed to be on Sherrod, not the audience...and that Breitbart was singleing out her as an example of NAALCP institutional racism, not the reaction of the audience.

In otherwords:
Sherrod:Rev Wright::The audience:Obamas

Or something like that.

Posted by: cheshirecat at July 21, 2010 12:29 AM (kHbWt)

877 rdbrewer: Ace has stated that the audience knew in advance she would eventually end up at the moral that Racism is Bad Mmkay, and therefore their reactions aren't meaningful.

I think what's drawing the strong reactions to his position there is that once you accept that argument then it puts us right back at yesterday where the narrative is that we're all racists. Some people seem to be stretching that into Ace actually supporting the idea that we're all racists to facilitate his continued entrances into Katie Couric's chic Manhattan bondage parties (and I'll condemn myself for typing that once I find the mental eye-bleach), but I don't think he actually intends harm to conservatism in this case, even if his arguments end up having that effect.

Posted by: Ian S. at July 21, 2010 12:30 AM (imD7p)

878 Did she do her job, at the appropriate time, for this white farmer or
not, and was her failure to do so based upon his skin tone?
Posted by: Herr Morgenholz at July 21, 2010 12:25 AM (h/zKr)


Watch the video of the people involved and you'll have you're answer.

Posted by: DrewM. at July 21, 2010 12:30 AM (X/Lqh)

879 eman, thanks for that.

All:

Please refrain from the following mode of argumentation:

Those who support me are steadfast Heroes and those who disagree are Traitors undermining our cause.

Many of you drop this form of argumentation without, I think, even realizing it.

But the people cast as "Traitors" in your scenarios DO realize it, and guess what? It's hard not to take personally.

We began having a disagreement over the DISPASSIONATE FACT of what this video was, if it was misleading, if it was useful, or if it would be a black eye for our side.

it quickly devolved, as it usually does, into the Heroes proclaiming their Fidelity to the Republic and calling out the Traitors for Stabbing The Homeland In the Back when it most needed them.

If you want to know why this gets personal, THIS IS THE REASON.

I am sick of having every dispute over a simple, impersonal fact turn into a fucking Morality Play about the Circle of Heroes and the Nasty Traitors that keep stabbing them in the back at every turn.

Posted by: ace at July 21, 2010 12:30 AM (KUUXH)

880 872,
Drew be honest, in a lawsuit against the NGO the feds would have been culpable had this been a white man playing the same games at the same time to a "I should help whites first" sentiment....I find both her actions and the imaginary white NGO operatives equally repugnant BTW....
our laws either mean something or they don't....her agency was a tax-exempt NGO using federal dollars to provide aid....she has to follow federal rules.
further when is the last time a bank robber or car thief got away with their crime because "I put the money/car back"....
making amends with later actions does not cancel out the fact she did harm at LEAST once and likely more often.....
you'll note she did not say "and on the first day of my volunteer work I came to jeebus!"

Posted by: sven10077 at July 21, 2010 12:30 AM (kq1lG)

881 Did she do her job, at the appropriate time, for this white farmer or not, and was her failure to do so based upon his skin tone?

Good question. Did she seek out the best lawyer for the farmer who would happen to be white, or simply fob the farmer off to any lawyer who was white?

Negligence? I don't know, you tell me.

Posted by: cheshirecat at July 21, 2010 12:31 AM (kHbWt)

882 "You know what? Next tough guy who intimates that is
getting banned. Because I'm sick of the fucking Super Patriot Brigade
telling me they are right in every argument and if I disagree with them I
must hate America.







Posted by: ace at July 21, 2010 12:13 AM (KUUXH)"
Dude.We didn't leave you, you left us. There's nothing wrong with the idea that there is a bigger fight and we should focus in ways that make that work because of more important things.
Didn't you tell me that when we argued about Barton's apology and you said he was really screwing up?I also don't get why you have to act like there is not 'club' of righteous conservatives. You just don't see this they way other do. So what? It's just one issue.
"

Eh, say what you want. I don't care. I really, really don't care.





And in week, when you're wondering, gee, why aren't the MFM taking this
story seriously, you can come back to this thread and read people trying
to explain to you why."
You do care, and I understand why. You don't want to abide any kind of dishonesty and have decided to take a stand. Frankly, I don't agree with your stand, but never mind
the reason the MSM will not take this seriously is because it's a non-story. Perhaps more will come of the Pigford case, but most folks I know don't know of that either. Anyway, what Breitbart had was no surprise: The NAACP is extremely racist. Government bureaucrats like Shirley Sherrod are often incredibly corrupt and unfair, choosing not to help certain people. And her racist crap is something she's not sorry for... she just notes that there is an additional poverty war too.Breitbart made the point that the NAACP is a total joke on this issue and shouldn't be casting stones. Whether that's because he focused on the audience, or described the audiences's reaction in relation to the racist they were listening to, he still made the point that the Tea Party shouldn't be seen as tarnished just because of the NAACP's attacks. Just imagine if he had had access to the section just after the White Farmer story! She is so irrational in her condemnation of the Tea Party it would have made Breitbart's case 100 times more powerful. That's why I say DrewM was way out of line to say Breitbart libeled. There was obviously nothing malicious about how he framed or 'cut' anything.

Posted by: Legendary Film Star Rick Moranis at July 21, 2010 12:32 AM (dUOK+)

883 rdb....

The full tape reveals that they knew there would be a story of redemption. And, as the story continued, yes, she made references to race, some flattering, some not, but she also made several points about the black community. The audience supported the criticisms of the black community as well. And, as Ace pointed out much earlier tonight, they could have been acknowledging her remarks rather than applauding them.

Posted by: jmflynny at July 21, 2010 12:33 AM (NHK5s)

884 882 Ace,
so you think CK, AP, and the gang trying to hurt AB and Bowtie is really just a disagreement over the tactical effectiveness of forcing the newsies to address NAACP audience at a minimum racism....?

Posted by: sven10077 at July 21, 2010 12:34 AM (kq1lG)

885 Did she do her job, at the
appropriate time, for this white farmer or not, and was her failure to
do so based upon his skin tone?

Posted by: Herr Morgenholz at July 21, 2010 12:25 AM (h/zKr)
YES. She did her job at the appropriate time and helped the farmer save his farm.Interestingly, her initial assumption about skin tone was that "white people take care of their own," and she found out that some white people lack the integrity to do their jobs properly even to help a fellow white person, instead being more concerned about squeezing the last dollar out of a desperate man.Of course, I bet you've never had the experience of a white man in a position of power over you trying to take something you held dear. Because you're white and of course no white man would do such a thing to another.

Posted by: stuiec at July 21, 2010 12:34 AM (W+GYq)

886 Good question. Did she seek out the best lawyer for the farmer who
would happen to be white, or simply fob the farmer off to any lawyer who
was white?


Negligence? I don't know, you tell me
Posted by: cheshirecat at July 21, 2010 12:31 AM (kHbWt)

Good God. You'd rather engage in masturbatory speculation than watch the video of the people invovled.

Trust me the judgment of the people impacted by this are far more valuable than any answer you might get from someone here who has no fucking clue.

Of course, watching the vid I linked might me having to process some inconvenient facts. Better to ask for the uninformed opinions of those who agree with you than chance having to face something you'd rather not.

Posted by: DrewM. at July 21, 2010 12:35 AM (X/Lqh)

887 I wonder if a few of us could go to some of these NAACP meetings and see what they are really like.

Posted by: sifty at July 21, 2010 12:35 AM (BimL7)

888 "Did she do her job, at the appropriate time, for
this white farmer or
not, and was her failure to do so based upon his skin tone?
Posted
by: Herr Morgenholz at July 21, 2010 12:25 AM (h/zKr)


Watch the video of the people involved and you'll have you're
answer.


Posted by: DrewM. at July 21, 2010 12:30 AM (X/Lqh)"
And the answer is absolutely not. She denied him the help the government referred him to get, the full force of what she'd do for a black person she was 'faced with realizing had lost their farms while here I'm supposed to help the white' from may till november. She eventually helped him much later than she'd have helped a black person.This is completely undeniable. And her failure is based on his skin tone. And she isn't sorry, she just realizes there is some kind of conflict sometimes between how she handles the white guy initially and the battle between 'haves and have nots' she also believes in fighting.In short, if you watched the video, as it appears Herr did, why didn't you admit he made a good point? He seems to have focused this down to the most important issue about Shirley Sherrod.

Posted by: Legendary Film Star Rick Moranis at July 21, 2010 12:36 AM (dUOK+)

889 >>I'm not encumbered by your law school education, Ace, where I am confident of all things cerebral.

Obviously not. That is the point of "You cannot reason someone out of a position they weren't reasoned into in the first place."

You are not reasoning. You are emoting. This "helps" you, you feel, Breitbart's a hero, you want to get back at Obama, etc.

A series of palpably emotional urges dictate your "thinking," and then when someone has the gall to introduce facts and judgment, you start playing the "I'm just a patriot who cares about getting rid of the socialists" card.

Tell me, Herr, what does that make me? If you keep telling me that YOUR position owes to your being a patriot who wants to get rid of the socialists, gee, what does that make MY opinion?

You sure seem to be setting up a dichotomy here, Herr.

Oh wait -- but it would be LOGIC that implies that I'm the opposite, and you just told me, you don't truck with the cerebral.

Posted by: ace at July 21, 2010 12:36 AM (KUUXH)

890
Wow. I came back fully expecting this thread would have expired by now. I hope it does soon, because it has acquired some of the undertones and characteristics of an event that occurred several years ago at another blog which I won't name directly. The event eventually became know as The Black Friday Purges. As it played out, we all witnessed in horror as a mad ponytailed cycling troubadour came unglued and flailed away with the banning stick for all it was worth.

And in the morning after, one tin soldier rode away.

Posted by: Soap MacTavish at July 21, 2010 12:36 AM (554T5)

891 I am sick of having every dispute over a simple, impersonal fact turn
into a fucking Morality Play about the Circle of Heroes and the Nasty
Traitors that keep stabbing them in the back at every turn.


Then quit turning it into that, because it's your fucking imagination. No one said any such thing.


Posted by: Herr Morgenholz at July 21, 2010 12:36 AM (h/zKr)

892 886,

you must have been watching a different tape or the audience had telepathy....
ie there is some anachronism going on....tell me the exact time she says "and not helping the white man was my exact flaw" and why they were applauding that she "put him in his place for putting on airs" even IF this is redemption?

Posted by: sven10077 at July 21, 2010 12:36 AM (kq1lG)

893
Ultimately, she saved the White farmer's farm.

This is a good thing.

I suspect her journey isn't done.

Posted by: eman at July 21, 2010 12:36 AM (3nHRI)

894
853 It seems to me there is the Super Patriot Brigade, and then, anyone who wishes to repeat their nonsense. Anyone who doesn't isn't part of the team. I keep being told that. I'm starting to believe it.
Posted by: ace at July 21, 2010 12:15 AM (KUUXH)
silly.
we are all feeling we are fighting for our souls. (could mean anything like truth , kids, whatever)_You don't?
this is one fight, we disagree on what we saw, maybe because we know we're being framed,
if i gave up
everytime my kid spit up on me, kids would die.

Posted by: willow at July 21, 2010 12:37 AM (SbsTp)

895 "Jesus Christ, all you are interested in is protecting and propping up personalities, that's it, that's all you care about, hero of the fucking week, all that fucking matters."
Or maybe some saw you throw Nikki Haley under the bus in nothing flat with no evidence but the say so of an obvious loser, and that has resulted in ever increasing push back against your pronouncedtendency to fold like a cheap rug whenever there's the slightest hint of trouble brewing. A number of posters have pointed out thatthe full, "unedited" video doesn't tell a tale of Sherrod overcoming past racism, but rather of learning to weigh the benefits of helping people solely on the basis of race (a form of racism) versushelping people based on class regardless of race. Abalanced racism if you will. Now, that interpretation of the full video is subject to argument. But I can't say that I've seen much of that,but rather a lot of repetition that the abbreviated video is misleading and somehow damages Breitbart's brand.

Posted by: SteveN at July 21, 2010 12:38 AM (7EV/g)

896 888 stu,
you'd think maybe she'd have an epiphany given the epxerience that tales of 'white collusion and privelage" might be overwrought no?

Posted by: sven10077 at July 21, 2010 12:38 AM (kq1lG)

897 the good ole days, when we argued if Obama and crones were socialists. marxists. corporatists or communists...

Posted by: willow at July 21, 2010 12:39 AM (SbsTp)

898 And, RDB, a big bone of contention has been the text intro to Breitbart's video and whether it was the NAACP or the speaker herself who were being revealed as racist. Another has been whether she actually saw the err in her ways and changed.

Hell...there have been a whole lot of those bones tonight. All you can really do is view the entire thing for yourself and decide

Posted by: jmflynny at July 21, 2010 12:39 AM (NHK5s)

899 rdbrewer: Ace has stated that the audience knew in advance she would eventually end up at the moral that Racism is Bad Mmkay, and therefore their reactions aren't meaningful.
Thanks, Ian.

Posted by: rdbrewer at July 21, 2010 12:39 AM (z6Ex1)

900 making amends with later actions does not cancel out the fact she did
harm at LEAST once and likely more often.....Posted by: sven10077 at July 21, 2010 12:30 AM (kq1lG)You're just inserting your own fact pattern for what happened. Look at the edited video, she said she did enough but didn't go over
board. That pretty much sums up every public employee (which she wasn't
then).
What she was guilty of was having an initial reaction. Over the course of weeks or months she came to a change of heart.
There's no proof that she shafted this couple in any way. In fact all the testimony is to the contrary.You simply slide past this.


Posted by: DrewM. at July 21, 2010 12:39 AM (X/Lqh)

901 Did she seek out the best lawyer for
the farmer who would happen to be white, or simply fob the farmer off
to any lawyer who was white?


Posted by: cheshirecat at July 21, 2010 12:31 AM (kHbWt)
She says PRECISELY that she fobbed the farmer off to a white lawyer, and she says she did so PRECISELY because she assumed that a white lawyer would "take care of one of his own." But that is not the end of the story.Because she came to learn that the white lawyer was a useless bloodsucker, and so she made sure the farmer got a competent lawyer in time to save his farm.So, did she do her job or not?

Posted by: stuiec at July 21, 2010 12:39 AM (W+GYq)

902 >>>so you think CK, AP, and the gang trying to hurt AB and Bowtie is really just a disagreement over the tactical effectiveness of forcing the newsies to address NAACP audience at a minimum racism....?

No, of course not, I subscribe to your eternal paradigm that anyone who disagrees with the Club of Righteous Conservatives is a treasonous sell-out deliberately stabbing our dear thought-leaders in the back to both undermine the cause (which we despise) and to garner invitations to the DC cocktail circuit.

It couldn't be that we disagree -- or, get this, that you are actually wrong, and the faggoty subversives are right.

No, it must be a defect of character to blame here. It must be that we who dissent are actively doing bad, actively seeking to sell you out.

It could never, ever possibly be that we treasoners are actually trying to warn you off of a now discredited story (discredited and will continue to discredit -- there is going to be a lot of lefty hay over this).

No, the craft of a traitor is treachery, so we know it's bad motives, bad character, bad morals, and most likely a sympathy to godless communism that engenders these thoughts.

Posted by: ace at July 21, 2010 12:40 AM (KUUXH)

903 And, as Ace pointed out much earlier tonight, they could have been acknowledging her remarks rather than applauding them.
Thanks, Jimmyflyninny.

Posted by: rdbrewer at July 21, 2010 12:41 AM (z6Ex1)

904 Posted by: ace at July 21, 2010 12:36 AM (KUUXH)

You're flailing with bullshit to make YOURSELF feel better.

I could give a rat's ass about this little kerfuffle. It's a minor skirmish. But it is in the context of a far bigger battle.

Frankly, I don't know why we're tearing into each other over this little thing, and I'm a little embarrassed to have been drawn into it. But your apologies for this woman's actions should likewise embarrass you. She acted as a racist, and if she is any part of this government, LOGIC would dictate that she still is. I don't know why that is such a controversial position for me to take.

Posted by: Herr Morgenholz at July 21, 2010 12:41 AM (h/zKr)

905 896 Eman,
a regular Johnny Appleseed.....
let me ask you a question....
would you as an executive hire someone who sued your company for discrimination, then brags about having had bad judgement in an entry level position in the same job she just sued you for 50,000 per but promises she "got better".....with 114 billion dollars worth of accounts?
the audience reaction is prime....that question is at the front of the secondary hoopla

Posted by: sven10077 at July 21, 2010 12:42 AM (kq1lG)

906 "What she was guilty of was having an initial reaction. Over the course of weeks or months she came to a change of heart. "

Her initial reaction deprived the farmer of due process, period. It's not good enough to have a "change of heart" weeks or months later...!!

Posted by: kathleen at July 21, 2010 12:42 AM (dJLhX)

907 The event eventually became know as The Black Friday Purges. As it
played out, we all witnessed in horror as a mad ponytailed cycling
troubadour came unglued and flailed away with the banning stick for all
it was worth.

I got a Kindle !!

Posted by: Herr Morgenholz at July 21, 2010 12:43 AM (h/zKr)

908 Is drew actually claiming that Shirley helped the white farmer as quickly and as mush as she'd have helped a black one? Or that her delay wasn't because of his race?

I guess he just says 'look for yourself'. Which is lousy and he'd bash Breitbart for skipping such a factual challenge that is so easy to answer.

She isn't sorry for her racism. End of story, and yeah, the justifiable end of her career. Breitbart did the United States a favor by shining light on this unrepentant racist. Just because you and I see that you can't be a consistent racist and a true class warfare believer, since there are poor whites, doesn't mean Shirley is sorry for her racism. She doesn't even acknowledge her obvious racism was racist.

Did Drew M watch the video yet? I just don't understand why he's so harsh about some very clear and reasonable views. He even seems to be mad at people asking questions. He says he's mad at people asking questions because he doesn't think they want the facts, but it comes across as him simply not wanting those questions and facts discussed.

It's as if, once Shirley said it was about rich vs poor, she couldn't be racist anymore. But that's not what the video shows. She's just incoherent about the conflict this creates.

Any decent person would be extremely sorry for the behavior Shirley discusses, and that's why Shirley isn't sorry.

Posted by: Legendary Film Star Rick Moranis at July 21, 2010 12:43 AM (dUOK+)

909 stuiec, i admire you immensely. (cookie sammich)
would you trust this women, if there were two families one black one brown. one white, and there were so many allocated dollars to do the right thing? with what was said?

Posted by: willow at July 21, 2010 12:43 AM (SbsTp)

910 three families
awwww hell.

Posted by: willow at July 21, 2010 12:44 AM (SbsTp)

911 Good God. You'd rather engage in masturbatory speculation than watch the video of the people invovled.

I think there's been enough "masturbatory speculation" on this thread from those who have and have not watched the video to give Vaseline a few more points on the Nasdaq. You are ALL speculating at this point, even I, I suppose. You are all pretty busy trying to parse the living shit out of the tape.

Yes, it's too bad that she didn't come right out and say "god-damn cracker honky redneck" and end the debate once and for all, but...

I don't need to be convinced by a tape that the NAALCP is a bigoted organisation. It's very name ("Advancement, Coloured People") states it.

Does anyone still want part of my Mars bar?

Posted by: cheshirecat at July 21, 2010 12:44 AM (kHbWt)

912 >>>Then quit turning it into that, because it's your fucking imagination. No one said any such thing.

Bullshit. If you tell me that YOUR desire to rid the nation of godless socialists informs YOUR Position, which is opposite mine, what does that make mine again, Herr?

Why is your heroic drive to rid the nation of socialists being entered (and re-entered, and re-re-entered) into the debate?

I don't remember challenging your desire to rid the nation of socialists.

Why do you insist, through implication, of challenging mine?

Posted by: ace at July 21, 2010 12:44 AM (KUUXH)

913 stu,
you'd think maybe she'd have an epiphany given the epxerience that
tales of 'white collusion and privelage" might be overwrought no?

Posted by: sven10077 at July 21, 2010 12:38 AM (kq1lG)
Now you are getting to the crux of the matter: she had the epiphany that white people don't necessarily stick together because of skin color. But she had the false epiphany that all rich people stick together to screw poor people of all colors. So she swapped out her racism for equally wrong-headed classissm.

Posted by: stuiec at July 21, 2010 12:44 AM (W+GYq)

914 She denied him the help the government referred him to get,
Posted by: Legendary Film Star Rick Moranis at July 21, 2010 12:36 AM
(dUOK+)

What specific help were they denied?

I love how it is of no interest to you that the people involved don't think they were wronged. It's sweet of you all to get all offended for them.
In short, if you watched the video, as it appears Herr did,
I asked Herr if he watched the whole tape. He responded in 730:

Nope. Not interested, either.

Again, it's rather hard to take people who don't have basic facts straight very seriously.

Posted by: DrewM. at July 21, 2010 12:45 AM (X/Lqh)

915 It's a pretty tasty piece of confectionary, you know.

Posted by: cheshirecat at July 21, 2010 12:45 AM (kHbWt)

916 I don't need to be convinced by a tape that the
NAALCP is a bigoted organisation. It's very name ("Advancement,
Coloured People") states it.


Posted by: cheshirecat at July 21, 2010 12:44 AM (kHbWt)
What does that say about the Aid Association for Lutherans?

Posted by: stuiec at July 21, 2010 12:47 AM (W+GYq)

917 She says PRECISELY that she fobbed the farmer off to a white lawyer, and she says she did so PRECISELY because she assumed that a white lawyer would "take care of one of his own." But that is not the end of the story.

I assume you watched the tape, then, and this is not, as Drew colourfully put it, "masturbatory speculation" then?

Okay. This Mars bar is damn tasty!

Posted by: cheshirecat at July 21, 2010 12:47 AM (kHbWt)

918 well i'm still uncomfortable with the three calls from the valsek guy, her boss, telling her the WH wanted her to resign. that right there just isn't sitting right with me.

And, I'm not judging anyone when the entire tape is not right because a small portion is missing.

and I'm not judging breitbart either until he explains himself.

I feel the same kind of discomfort I felt when those black congress men were saying the tea party said bad things to them.

This is all not passing the smell test, to me.

Posted by: curious at July 21, 2010 12:47 AM (p302b)

919 I, too, have experienced the suckage of a tape ending in the middle of filming stuff, yet I am not willing to take the NAACP at their word that that is what happened. Call me a cynic, or a racist, but the NAACP should produce the tapes as proof that no edit occurred. Why in hell should the NAACP be taken at their word?

Posted by: Miss Fluffy McNutter at July 21, 2010 12:48 AM (xMSXs)

920 What does that say about the Aid Association for Lutherans

I would say "Aid""Advancement".

Posted by: cheshirecat at July 21, 2010 12:48 AM (kHbWt)

921 Why is your heroic drive to rid the nation of socialists being entered
(and re-entered, and re-re-entered) into the debate?


Thorazine. It's what's for supper.

What the fuck are you talking about?


Posted by: Herr Morgenholz at July 21, 2010 12:48 AM (h/zKr)

922 Whether or not she's a racist, that dress was atrocious.

Posted by: Larry Marchant at July 21, 2010 12:48 AM (z6Ex1)

923 905 Ace,
where have I called you a traitor....
tactically in misjudgement perhaps, a bit too wrapped up in moral perfection WRT to professional liars at times....
I have never attacked your "purity" because I don't believe in it....
what attracted me to the GOP back in '79-'84 was the fact that the donks were essentially allied with our sworn enemies for domestic gain attempts....
I see a lot of that still....
I don't have much of a lithmus test beyond: are you a believer in the bill of rights and refuse to forfeit our sovereignty to the UN and EUtopia?
the rest is just feeling each other out.....
You are attributing a lot more to my "I'd like the grandkids to be able to buy a gun, have AC, and eat like BO and MO do if they want" than is there.....

I am not calling you an AP or Ed level squish I am direct when I get that irate, your imputation that I seek violence I think is unfair but I can see how if you only read a few of my posts and I am in a dark mood you could see that and I am not vain enough to think you know me or follow me.....
my refusal to allow the M$M to try to have me singing the praises of a woman who if she were on our side would already be a pariah does not mean we hate each other or I wish you or anyone else here harm....
I just happen to think the liberal mind is a cowardly one and the best way to get them back to any sort of civility is repeated "rhetorical" punches to the nose.....
your mileage can vary and we can still agree that Government ran mandated healthcare sucks for example.....

Posted by: sven10077 at July 21, 2010 12:48 AM (kq1lG)

924 It's not bullshit, Herr. I have Merovign upthread offering Stabbed in the Back scenarios -- you know, we were going to win the Great War, but the Jews stabbed us in the back.

It is getting tiresome to continue to be told that when we have CRAP TAPES like this, which actually hurt our side, that it is the fault of the people who note the tapes are crap who are to blame for their failure to work magic.

That is the claim every time, in essense -- that if Allah and me and Drew and Gabe and Dave and Charles Krauthammer (!) and Glen Beck (!) and all the other RINO cocksuckers would just get on board and repeat our lines we would win, and it's only our Stabbing the Movement In The Back that keeps us from winning.

And it is insulting. It is OFFENSIVE. I am sick of having my character called into question whenever I take a position opposite the Super Patriot Brigade.

Posted by: ace at July 21, 2010 12:48 AM (KUUXH)

925 heck bourgeoisie
well hell isn't that kinda what we're seeing now?
the haves telling the rest of us what we are to be, pay, live, to share their world?

Posted by: willow at July 21, 2010 12:48 AM (SbsTp)

926 "Over the course of weeks or months she came to a change of heart. "

Not even close to what the video shows. This just isn't an accurate description.

She helps him, eventually, far less than she'd have helped a black farmer. Not out of a change of heart over her decision not to help him as much as a black farmer. That change of heart idea is what we were promised, but it isn't in the video for a second.

she just decides to also help people if they are poor. Whites less than blacks, but some help for them.

It's sickening and degrading.

And since I watched the entire video, I realize that she is repeatedly talking about racism before this specific story comes up. She regrets blacks don't take care of blacks like they used to. She thinks people should help others with an eye on their race. She assumes Obama's opponents must be racist. She just can't think about people without this stupid idea of race.

She did eventually help someone she had sent to be taken care of by his own kind. Even if she was sorry for this, that's horrible and I don't have any stories where I did something like that. No mentally normal person, who isn't a racist, has such a sorry to be sorry for.

But she isn't sorry about it anyway.

Posted by: Legendary Film Star Rick Moranis at July 21, 2010 12:48 AM (dUOK+)

927 I see the progressive crew is getting what they want. We are fighting each other. I hope it ends soon and we can get back to winning in November.

Posted by: scc at July 21, 2010 12:48 AM (WlzmW)

928 That should have been "Aid" (does not equal) "Advancement"

Sorry, it must have been the chocolate...

Posted by: cheshirecat at July 21, 2010 12:48 AM (kHbWt)

929 Whether or not she's a racist, that dress was atrocious

Now that is undeniable. I wouldn't even give it to Michelle Obama.

Posted by: cheshirecat at July 21, 2010 12:49 AM (kHbWt)

930 I feel the same kind of discomfort I felt when those black congress men were saying the tea party said bad things to them. This is all not passing the smell test, to me.
Posted by: curious at July 21, 2010 12:47 AM (p302b)
same.

Posted by: willow at July 21, 2010 12:50 AM (SbsTp)

931 I find it amazing that all of you who are so convinced that she screwed this white couple out of some service are not in the least bit concerned with the fact that said white couple don't agree with you.

Their defending her to Nth degree today simply doesn't factor into your evaluation. It's simply not important because you know better or something.

Incredible.

Posted by: DrewM. at July 21, 2010 12:50 AM (X/Lqh)

932 This isn't the first time you've turned me into some hard-cocked, chest-thumping, ultra patriot buffoon of a cartoon character to use me as a foil to your cocktail driven, Manhattan-politico caricature.

Knock it off, Ace.

Posted by: Herr Morgenholz at July 21, 2010 12:50 AM (h/zKr)

933 >>>where have I called you a traitor....

I don't know if you did.

I know Herr put it in one way ("Well I guess I just care about this country, that's all," or words to that effect, implying I don't), and Merovign set up a cute paradigm where it's my (and other traitors' faults) this story is crumbling before our eyes (rather than due to a fundamental deceptive infirmity in the story, as I would think).

You get that kind of a one-two, you start to notice it, and resent it.

Posted by: ace at July 21, 2010 12:50 AM (KUUXH)

934 "And it is insulting. It is OFFENSIVE. I am sick of
having my character called into question whenever I take a position
opposite the Super Patriot Brigade.







Posted by: ace"

I agree that you should just speak your mind freely and not tailor everything you say to what is most politically advantageous. That kind of concept is simply wrong.

I'm not going to go pull a quote from Barton's thread, because this thread is ugly enough without that kind of effort, but I think this is the other side of the argument what what you said in that thread.

Posted by: Legendary Film Star Rick Moranis at July 21, 2010 12:51 AM (dUOK+)

935 What she was guilty of was having an initial reaction. Over the course
of weeks or months she came to a change of heart.

Which is all fine and good in a tale of redemption and goes to the argument of how Breitbart framed her. But it doesn't let her of the hook in losing her job. She obviously showed favoritism through racial bias in her position in allocating government resources. This is where I disagree with Krauthammer, she absolutely should have been fired.

Posted by: lowandslow at July 21, 2010 12:52 AM (GZitp)

936 Cheshirecat,

When my mom was dying and would barely take a bite to eat, she wanted a Mars bar but, of course, they were no longer made in the USA. My mother's best-friend was searching high and low for them when a kind gentleman at a convienence store disappeared into the back of the store and came out with several candy bars, all with French labels. He had been ordering them for himself, from France, for years.

They hold a special little place in my heart.

But, now...

Back to the struggle!

Posted by: jmflynny at July 21, 2010 12:52 AM (NHK5s)

937 Does anyone still want part of my Mars bar?
Posted by: cheshirecat at July 21, 2010 12:44 AM (kHbWt)

please and a morphine drip, if you'd be so kind.

Posted by: willow at July 21, 2010 12:52 AM (SbsTp)

938 >>>This isn't the first time you've turned me into some hard-cocked, chest-thumping, ultra patriot buffoon of a cartoon character to use me as a foil to your cocktail driven, Manhattan-politico caricature.


Well, dude, I've asked you now, please do not set up your cute little dichotomies where YOU are the one who is mad about Obama and wants to save America and I am... what am I in that scenario again?

I must be something other than that, because if we were BOTH that, it would be entirely irrelevant to the discussion to point out that you are that, right?

Posted by: ace at July 21, 2010 12:52 AM (KUUXH)

939

No, the craft of a traitor is treachery, so we know it's bad motives,
bad character, bad morals, and most likely a sympathy to godless
communism that engenders these thoughts.







Posted by: ace at July 21, 2010 12:40 AM (KUUXH)
I've read most of this thread and you might have gotten some ribbing, but you haven't come close to getting tagged with the T word.Some of us just don't like giving them a fucking inch. You want complete intellectual clarity, and clarifying sometimes gives up yardage.
That's the only difference, and maybe more significant to you than some of the rest of us.Still eagerly waiting for more red meat from DC or Breitbart.

Posted by: ontherocks at July 21, 2010 12:53 AM (HBqDo)

940 There's no proof that she shafted this couple in any way. In fact all the testimony is to the contrary.You simply slide past this.

No more than you slide past her admission of wanting to help only blacks. Like i said earlier, i find it hard to believe that she suddenly decided to be a racist and then just as suddenly had a change of heart. She seems to have a pretty long term view of what she wanted to do, and what she wanted to do was help blacks and blacks only. Maybe she's telling the truth that she had a change of heart, maybe she's not, but i don't see any reason to take her at her word, kiss her ass and give her a job on the taxpayers dime. She's simply not credible.

Posted by: koopy at July 21, 2010 12:54 AM (awinc)

941 stuiec, i admire you immensely. (cookie sammich)
would you trust this women, if there were two families one black one
brown. one white, and there were so many allocated dollars to do the
right thing? with what was said?


Posted by: willow at July 21, 2010 12:43 AM (SbsTp)
How sweet of you to say!
I just bet that she'd put in extra effort to help the Black and brown families -- unless they were rich and the white family was poor. Because she sees herself as someone who should use her position to help the downtrodden, the people who are kept down by the Rich and Powerful.
And she has plenty of past and present endeavors outside her USDA job that are specifically aimed at helping Black people, especially Black farmers in the South, so I don't see her compelled to use her official position specifically for that purpose.

Posted by: stuiec at July 21, 2010 12:55 AM (W+GYq)

942 "Over the course of weeks or months she came to a change of heart. "Not
even close to what the video shows. This just isn't an accurate
description.
Posted by: Legendary Film Star Rick Moranis at July 21, 2010 12:48 AM
(dUOK+)


Are you drunk? Seriously. Even the edited version has part of this story. She talks about realizing it's not about black and white but rich and poor. It's elaborated on in the full vid but it's right there in the edit that's been out for 2 days now.

Posted by: DrewM. at July 21, 2010 12:55 AM (X/Lqh)

943 896 Eman,

a regular Johnny Appleseed.....

let me ask you a question....

would you as an executive hire someone who sued your company for discrimination, then brags about having had bad judgement in an entry level position in the same job she just sued you for 50,000 per but promises she "got better".....with 114 billion dollars worth of accounts?

the audience reaction is prime....that question is at the front of the secondary hoopla

Posted by: sven10077

I would if she was hot.

Look, this chick is a bigot. She is recovering. She could have let that White farmer get fucked, but did not. She should have done the right thing right at the start, but guess what, people are human, they fuck up. Sometimes they repair the damage in time, as best they can.

What I heard and saw in the first 23 minutes of that speech was a woman learning that she was an asshole and then making up for it.

And BTW, only racists capitalize eman.

Posted by: eman at July 21, 2010 12:55 AM (s64Rk)

944 That is the claim every time, in essense -- that if Allah and me and
Drew and Gabe and Dave and Charles Krauthammer (!) and Glen Beck (!) and
all the other RINO cocksuckers would just get on board and repeat our
lines we would win, and it's only our Stabbing the Movement In The Back
that keeps us from winning.



And it is insulting. It is OFFENSIVE. I am sick of having my character
called into question whenever I take a position opposite the Super
Patriot Brigade.


Uh. You're not a RINO. I never said you were.

You're a pragmatist, which is sometimes kind of RINOish, but only when it's necessary. That's politics..

You seem to be frightened that in truth, and in fact, perhaps you don't actually have any balls. You lash out like a scared kid, dude. As for whether you're offended or not, well that's tough shit no matter how you slice it. We're all offended. It's meaningless.


Posted by: Herr Morgenholz at July 21, 2010 12:56 AM (h/zKr)

945 I find it amazing that all of you who are so convinced that she screwed this white couple out of some service are not in the least bit concerned with the fact that said white couple don't agree with you.

I think earlier in the thread there was some masturbatory speculation on whether 1) this was the very couple that Sherrod was referencing, 2) Whether the wife knew of the full story (where is the actual farmer in question), and 3) whether said farmer/wife was aware of the machinations going on with Sherrod in the first place. Would she have felt the same if she knew at the time what was going on behind closed doors? Is she simply a forgiving soul for something that happened years ago, that even though it was a major cluster-fuck--that by-golly, it all worked out in the end?

I don't know, but this has been a very interesting thread to read, and the chocky buzz is delightful.

Posted by: cheshirecat at July 21, 2010 12:56 AM (kHbWt)

946 Is Drew's plantation failing?

Posted by: TexasJew at July 21, 2010 12:57 AM (mY03/)

947 Well, dude, I've asked you now, please do not set up your cute little
dichotomies where YOU are the one who is mad about Obama and wants to
save America and I am... what am I in that scenario again?

Actually, I kind of always thought you were a guy that was pissed off at Obama and kind of wanted to save America, too.

But you probably do live within at least several blocks of David Brooks, come to think of it.

Posted by: Herr Morgenholz at July 21, 2010 12:58 AM (h/zKr)

948 Posted by: koopy at July 21, 2010 12:54 AM (awinc)

In other words, you sticking with a misleading and factually false edited video over everything else because it fits your personal preference of the narrative.

Ok. Enjoy that.

Posted by: DrewM. at July 21, 2010 12:58 AM (X/Lqh)

949 There is something really bothering me. someone back in the middle of the thread in speaking to Ace accused him of being a "Manhattanite" as though it is something to be ashamed of. This really upset me cause really in sept 2001 being a Manhattanite meant you lived through hell. sometimes the outright hatred of NYer's on this blog makes me literally cry. The entire state is not blue, all dem, all lib. And even if they are dem/libs they are still people, with feelings and lives and families. Tonight on another blog someone actually said if a tsunami hit NY it wouldn't be a big loss. And so coupled with that I felt a need to speak up here since I only read there and don't post. I'm sorry to intrude with this but it so upset me when someone would characterize ace as a manhattanite as though it were a terrible thing.

Posted by: curious at July 21, 2010 12:58 AM (p302b)

950 You seem to be frightened that in truth, and in fact, perhaps you don't actually have any balls. You lash out like a scared kid, dude. As for whether you're offended or not, well that's tough shit no matter how you slice it. We're all offended. It's meaningless.
Dude.

Posted by: rdbrewer at July 21, 2010 12:59 AM (z6Ex1)

951 Posted by: cheshirecat at July 21, 2010 12:56 AM (kHbWt)

So again, you're going to stick to things we don't know but hope are true over direct testimony of those involved.

Again...Ok.

Posted by: DrewM. at July 21, 2010 12:59 AM (X/Lqh)

952 Even the edited version has part of this story. She talks about realizing it's not about black and white but rich and poor.

Glad she was able to give her audience the "moral of the story". I'm sure if the colours of the parties were reversed, this would be a non-issue as well.

Oh, no, it wouldn't? I think this is a good part of what is firing some of our posters up.

Or maybe they ran out of rhetorical Jerkins...either one.

They should have a Snickers. It really satisfies.

Posted by: cheshirecat at July 21, 2010 01:00 AM (kHbWt)

953 She obviously showed favoritism
through racial bias in her position in allocating government resources.


Posted by: lowandslow at July 21, 2010 12:52 AM (GZitp)
Except she was not talking about allocating government resources in her government position. She was talking about an incident that happened 23 years before she was appointed to her government position. And she spoke about being careless in making a referral to a lawyer, having nothing to do with any government resources whatsoever.

Posted by: stuiec at July 21, 2010 01:00 AM (W+GYq)

954 >>>my refusal to allow the M$M to try to have me singing the praises of a woman who if she were on our side would already be a pariah does not mean we hate each other or I wish you or anyone else here harm....

I'm not singing her praises.

Let me put it to you simply: You never heard of her before today, right? Right. She is not really important.

She only became important because the tapes allegedly showed her admitting current racism. Don't argue; that's what the tapes were sold as. The prefatory material up front says as much.

Well, the tapes were fraudulent. They were cut to suggest an entirely different situation than the actual one. The proof was falsified.

Now, you want to sit her and make claims about this woman -- i don't give a shit, but you're changing the focus away from what's important. And what's important is that tapes which were supposedly proof of NAACP racism are in fact fraudulent.

Now, that doesn't mean the NAACP isn't racist. Or that Sherrod isn't racist. Of course not. But the proof has failed. The proof offered is phony.

You keep shifting the discussion away from the actual topic of discussion -- are the tapes deceptively edited? -- which apparently you know they are or else you wouldn't keep shifting off that point.

Why is that important? Frankly, it's important because Breitbart is extremely important and this damages him.

I think you sort of want to pretend that Breitbart isn't damaged, because you don't want him to be damaged. I think you think "We can still win this if we argue hard enough."

No. we lost. Breitbart is damaged and will have to work a bit to recover. He was becoming a very credible (and scary) figure to the left; that is diminished today.

If you don't want to acknowledge that, fine, but that's the situation.

It was a bad day. A real bad day.

The only thing that can possibly help is if Obama is revealed as the coward he is for firing the woman with little proof, but believe me, when the Democrats all get together it will be lower bureaucrats acting cowardly and brave, smart Obama now intervening to give her her job back.

I really think this is a case of a goal having been scored against us, and you dispute the call, and now it's twenty minutes later into the game and the score is on the scoreboard but you're still claiming there's no score yet in the game.

Posted by: ace at July 21, 2010 01:01 AM (KUUXH)

955 Ace as an chat room psychologist
i would say comments as . i want my kids to grow up free
means the person is afraid of the future.
that's it.

Posted by: willow at July 21, 2010 01:02 AM (SbsTp)

956 946 eMan,

duly noted....
here's where you and I part company....

I would buy into "come to Jesus" and I would even applaud the M$M if they were acknowledging RIGHT NOW that they had been hypocrits on very similar matters to the tea party this month EXCEPT:

a) never happen they are infalliable and we are evil
b) she was still using the prism of race coupled with economic status in her "here and now" close WRT "get jobs take care of each other like the old days"....
let me ask in all candor how will we ever get past the past when they keep hearkening back to thier understandable defense mechanisms when they faced the REAL Bull Connor?
what I am saying is if I thought the NAACP, this woman, and even Bury were legitimate in finding a middle I'd buy into forgiving her more than Allen and Lott got forgiven.....

but I don't.

Posted by: sven10077 at July 21, 2010 01:02 AM (kq1lG)

957 948 - now you know how it is to be person from the south. We get called rednecks and hicks all the time. Not a good thing either way.

Posted by: scc at July 21, 2010 01:02 AM (WlzmW)

958 957 Ace,

no actually I had heard of the case but yes honestly I did not care about "her" other than her chicago style payoff job

Posted by: sven10077 at July 21, 2010 01:03 AM (kq1lG)

959 You don't have to be in a "government position" to allocate "government resources". that's why they call them NGOs, genius -- they are non governmental organizations that distribute government money

Posted by: kathleen at July 21, 2010 01:03 AM (dJLhX)

960 >>>You seem to be frightened that in truth, and in fact, perhaps you don't actually have any balls. You lash out like a scared kid, dude.

Yeah, where would I ever get the idea you were constantly implying that, eh?

Well, Herr, you've been warned. Next time you decide it's time to start informing people that they're not as brave as you are, and etc., make it count.

I am sick of that crap as a general matter.

Here's some truth: Fucking illogical idiots who can't think their way out of paper bags want to put everything down to emotion and (presumed) character, because when you ain't got a hammer nothin' really looks like a nail.

How's that shit strike you, Herr?

Gee I hope that wasn't offensive or anything.

Posted by: ace at July 21, 2010 01:03 AM (KUUXH)

961 men are weird.
yeah i'm a maleisogynist
or whatever.

Posted by: willow at July 21, 2010 01:03 AM (SbsTp)

962 So again, you're going to stick to things we don't know but hope are true over direct testimony of those involved.

"There are known knowns. These are things we know that we know. There are known unknowns. That is to say, there are things that we know we don't know. But there are also unknown unknowns. There are things we don't know we don't know."

The only think I "know" is that the MFM will probably ignore any evidence that doesn't jibe with their established meme. Call me a cynic, call me crazy. Kobayashi Maru, and I don't see a Capt. Kirk to the rescue here.

Call me when some more chocolate comes in.

Posted by: cheshirecat at July 21, 2010 01:04 AM (kHbWt)

963 Actually, I kind of always thought you were a guy that was pissed off at Obama and kind of wanted to save America, too.But you probably do live within at least several blocks of David Brooks, come to think of it.Posted by: Herr Morgenholz at July 21, 2010 12:58 AM (h/zKr)

Herr Morgenholz, do you think Ace wants to save America from Obama's agenda?

This is not a trick question. You keep dancing around implying that he in fact doesn't. So what is your true belief?

Posted by: Mtenloch at July 21, 2010 01:05 AM (4uLpB)

964 In other words, you sticking with a misleading and factually false
edited video over everything else because it fits your personal
preference of the narrative.

Um, no, i'm talking about what she said on the full video, fee; free to point out where i'm relying on the short video only. Maybe if you weren't so busy falling on your knees in self redemption and criticizing people here you could do a post on this. But kissing her ass suits you so much better doesn't it?

Posted by: koopy at July 21, 2010 01:06 AM (awinc)

965 >>>i would say comments as . i want my kids to grow up free

>>>means the person is afraid of the future.

>>>that's it.

Well, I don't agree, because I'm smart.

According to you, you'd say I didn't just call you dumb... But I did call you that, didn't I?

When you claim you feel this way because of [positive attribute], you are setting up a distinction between you and your opponent -- you have the [positive attribute], and he, impliedly, doesn't.

Posted by: ace at July 21, 2010 01:06 AM (KUUXH)

966 Speaking "in character didn't work for Mark Fuhrman, did it?

Posted by: AmishDude at July 21, 2010 01:07 AM (PDN1L)

967 lol willow, I agree. But it is fun to watch sometimes.

Posted by: the peanut gallery at July 21, 2010 01:07 AM (NurK6)

968 Drew M.
You make sense. This was a huge mistake. How in any way shape or form is this journalism and now a bizillion comments against those who disagree with the righteous group think.

Posted by: matthew J. O'Connor at July 21, 2010 01:07 AM (8EEyy)

969
I think you sort of want to pretend that Breitbart isn't damaged,
because you don't want him to be damaged.

I don't think he's damaged. It's not magical thinking, either.

If the MFM goes after him for what might be a minor misstep, he'll donkey punch them in the balls, yet again, and they know it. And it is no misstep to get one of Obama's minions shitcanned. Andy Breitbart didn't can her. Tom Vilsack did.

That's interesting. It shows that they want no heat coming down on them at this stage. They perhaps knew that what came out in the video wasn't the real deal, but they shitcanned her anyway.

Work on the potential intelligence value of that, instead of bandaging imagined wounds in your own camp.

Posted by: Herr Morgenholz at July 21, 2010 01:08 AM (h/zKr)

970 934
I find it amazing that all of you who are so convinced that she screwed
this white couple out of some service are not in the least bit concerned
with the fact that said white couple don't agree with you.

I am not in the camp of being dismissive of what they say; they have no reason to lie. I just don't see what it proves.

She said she sent them to "one of their own." How do we know that she wasn't fully aware that the attorney to which she referred them was an incompetent douche? How do we know that she stepped in to help them not because she was really concerned for their fate, but was concerned that the referral to the douche would in some way come back to her? Maybe it was known around the dept. that this atty was incompetent and others knew she knew it. The farmers would have known none of this. They would only know that in the end, she helped them. But by her own words she did not help them as much as she could have. So where is the proof that my scenario is not equally likely to have been the case?

Posted by: Miss Fluffy McNutter at July 21, 2010 01:09 AM (xMSXs)

971
This is not a trick question. You keep dancing around implying that he in fact doesn't. So what is your true belief?


Posted by: Mtenloch at July 21, 2010 01:05 AM (4uLpB)
Are you 3 sitting in the same room doing shooters? This is getting good.

Posted by: ontherocks at July 21, 2010 01:09 AM (HBqDo)

972 Posted by: curious at July 21, 2010 12:58 AM (p302b)

I was in New York on business on 9/11/2001. I got to see that emotional anguish first-hand.

Now my middle kid is in college in NYC. So believe me, I am not one of those wishing evil on Manhattan.

Posted by: stuiec at July 21, 2010 01:10 AM (W+GYq)

973 >>>No more than you slide past her admission of wanting to help only blacks.

Um, actually, in the unedited/nonfake version, she sets the story up by saying she started wanting to help ONLY blacks, but then something happened that made her think differently...

This sentence directly precedes the one the tape starts with -- and it is, for reasons that are all too obvious, CUT FROM THE TAPE.

So yeah, she says this, right before she says that she's about to tell a story that changed her thinking.

I guess you didn't watch the whole tape, huh?

Please answer that last question; I have a follow-up.

Posted by: ace at July 21, 2010 01:11 AM (KUUXH)

974 People in the White House are chuckleheads, granted, but they're smart enough to know when it's necessary to fire a government employee. Sherodd, in this speech, handed them every reason in the book to throw her under the bus. This is indisputable. liberal racism is exposed and the WH had to cop to it... for this reason alone Breitbart is in the catbird's seat. tell me again why this doesn't redound to our benefit?

Posted by: kathleen at July 21, 2010 01:11 AM (dJLhX)

975 Posted by: matthew J. O'Connor at July 21, 2010 01:07 AM (8EEyy)

I get that conservatives have been screwed over so long there's an inclination to allow no dissent within the ranks. The problem is, it's idiotic to run around like the Black Night in the Holy Grail that it's just a flesh wound.

Actually, it would be an improvement if many folks would admit the full video is even a flesh wound to the original story.

Posted by: DrewM. at July 21, 2010 01:12 AM (X/Lqh)

976 How's that shit strike you, Herr?



Gee I hope that wasn't offensive or anything.

Eh. If I want to be offended, I'll watch Yoyo Ma play the theme to Love Boat or something.


Herr Morgenholz, do you think Ace wants to save America from Obama's
agenda?This is not a trick question. You keep dancing around
implying that he in fact doesn't. So what is your true belief?

If I appear to have danced around that question, either you are illiterate or I haven't made myself clear. And I doubt you're illiterate.

[Insert answer here]

Posted by: Herr Morgenholz at July 21, 2010 01:12 AM (h/zKr)

977 972 Herr,
Bury's response shows he is scared shitless of something that was either on Jlist or in the woman's past......

easiest thing for him to weather is "why was she working for the Feds at USDA when she just won the lottery off the taxpayer?" with "LOOK SHE IS A RACIST!" then bent into "LOOK THEY ARE RACISTS FOR THINKING SHE'S a RACIST"
if I thought he could think more than three steps ahead I'd be afraid Breibart got falseflagged....
I am betting that either the tape of the FULL event is known to be toxic, or the woman has other toxic emissions in her past.....

Bury is like the scorpion in the story of the scorpion and the turtle......

even his friends get stung....

her exposure was going to open him up to a hard analysis of why this woman with less than a year's experience was in charge of 114 bill....
that was gonna hurt.

Posted by: sven10077 at July 21, 2010 01:13 AM (kq1lG)

978 We could have accused ace of being a Californian. Count your blessings.

Posted by: sifty at July 21, 2010 01:13 AM (BimL7)

979 and btw, if you're creeped out that in one day the WH can fire an employee of the executive branch based upon a videotape, then you need to brush up on your organizational chart of the executive branch.

Posted by: kathleen at July 21, 2010 01:13 AM (dJLhX)

980 Maybe if you weren't so busy falling on your knees in self redemption and criticizing people here you could do a post on this. But kissing her ass suits you so much better doesn't it?

Oh, (referring to your link), you mean there is...a background on Sherrod? Looks like her bellyaching is inviting more scrutiny to her character. Interesting little chess game we have here. Granted, it doesn't seem to be a racism issue that the Examiner brings up so much as corruption. But then, why should I be surprised there was more to the story.

Posted by: cheshirecat at July 21, 2010 01:13 AM (kHbWt)

981 I'm fucking with you, of course.

Posted by: Herr Morgenholz at July 21, 2010 01:13 AM (h/zKr)

982 >>That's interesting. It shows that they want no heat coming down on them at this stage. They perhaps knew that what came out in the video wasn't the real deal, but they shitcanned her anyway.

>>>Work on the potential intelligence value of that, instead of bandaging imagined wounds in your own camp.

Sorry, Herr, it appears that the chief difference between us is that I can successfully see the rough outlines of the next few days whereas they're gonna come as something of a rough surprise to you.

Ah well -- I tried telling you. You know, with my confidence in the cerebral and all.

Posted by: ace at July 21, 2010 01:13 AM (KUUXH)

983 Drew,

Did you say earlier that AB had the entire video in his possession and yet released only the edited version?

Posted by: jmflynny at July 21, 2010 01:14 AM (NHK5s)

984 974,
and in context her parable with the FACTS known can't be discounted from meeting your "she was scared her bare minimum wasn't enough" interpretation

Posted by: sven10077 at July 21, 2010 01:14 AM (kq1lG)

985 , if you're creeped out that in one day the WH can fire an employee of the executive branch based upon a videotape, then you need to brush up on your organizational chart of the executive branch.

Well, an employee of the Exec Branch can be hired/fired at the pleasure of the Executive. Technically, the Exec can do it just because he was cranky and couldn't get in another 9 holes in before lunch.

Posted by: cheshirecat at July 21, 2010 01:15 AM (kHbWt)

986 927
It's not bullshit, Herr. I have Merovign upthread offering Stabbed in
the Back scenarios -- you know, we were going to win the Great War, but
the Jews stabbed us in the back.
Posted by: ace at July 21, 2010 12:48 AM (KUUXH)

You know, I was going to leave well enough alone, but I think something needs to be clarified, because I'm capable of misunderstanding things.

Did you just compare me to a fucking Nazi?

Posted by: Merovign, sayin' WTF? at July 21, 2010 01:15 AM (bxiXv)

987 Sorry, Herr, it appears that the chief difference between us is that I
can successfully see the rough outlines of the next few days whereas
they're gonna come as something of a rough surprise to you.

We'll talk about it Friday.

This will see no airtime. The Obama Admin wants no play of this. She is gone, a non-person, an ex-parrot. Memory hole.

Posted by: Herr Morgenholz at July 21, 2010 01:16 AM (h/zKr)

988 I just don't see what it proves.
Posted by: Miss Fluffy McNutter at July 21, 2010 01:09 AM (xMSXs)

Well, it proves that the people most involved aren't offended and yet people who are not invovled seem to think they are the experts on this case.

Odd standard.
She said she sent them to "one of their own." How do we know that she
wasn't fully aware that the attorney to which she referred them was an
incompetent douche?

She explained this in the short vid. Chapter 12 was new and she knew this was a guy was one of the few who knew something about it because he received training from her organization on this very subject.

What people are passing by is she didn't just send them off to 'one of their own kind', she followed up and kept on the case.

No one who claims they denied them services can point to what services were denied and again, the people most impacted don't think they were screwed. Quite the opposite actually.

Again, who are you going to believe...the people who had their farm saved or random blog commenters?

Posted by: DrewM. at July 21, 2010 01:17 AM (X/Lqh)

989 She said she sent them to "one of their own." How do we know that she wasn't fully aware that the attorney to which she referred them was an incompetent douche? How do we know that she stepped in to help them not because she was really concerned for their fate, but was concerned that the referral to the douche would in some way come back to her? Maybe it was known around the dept. that this atty was incompetent and others knew she knew it. The farmers would have known none of this. They would only know that in the end, she helped them. But by her own words she did not help them as much as she could have. So where is the proof that my scenario is not equally likely to have been the case?

I brought up this very question in a previous masturbatory speculation upthread. Though, it was in a shorter format.

Posted by: cheshirecat at July 21, 2010 01:17 AM (kHbWt)

990 I didn't really intend that but I was explaining the Stabbed In The Back scenario, and yeah, it was a Hitler thing.

yeah, it's ugly to be called a Nazi. It's also not so much fun to be called a morale traitor subverting the team and causing us to lose.

And you don't seem to get that this paradigm you're addicted to -- those who disagree are just splitters who can't wait to tear down other conservatives -- is always putting people like me into the category of traitor.

Posted by: ace at July 21, 2010 01:17 AM (KUUXH)

991 Ace, no people comment out of their own knowledge and fear at times,
my point was if some feel bravado as you did earlier in the day, and some feel now , in this case.
"why because i care i wouldn't allow this shit," stuff it doesnt reflect on who you are when another says, "why because i care i wouldn't allow this shit,"
, it expresses only their own bravado.
i guess i'm trying to play peacemaker
perhaps badly.
btw i didn't want to kick the sna guys teeth out i just wanted to send the film to all the nurses that would have to fix him up if you did. : } smiley
my way wasn't your way of fighting, but we all do our thing.

Posted by: willow at July 21, 2010 01:17 AM (SbsTp)

992 She said she sent them to "one of their own." How do we know that she wasn't fully aware that the attorney to which she referred them was an incompetent douche? How do we know that she stepped in to help them not because she was really concerned for their fate, but was concerned that the referral to the douche would in some way come back to her? Maybe it was known around the dept. that this atty was incompetent and others knew she knew it. The farmers would have known none of this. They would only know that in the end, she helped them. But by her own words she did not help them as much as she could have. So where is the proof that my scenario is not equally likely to have been the case?
Posted by: Miss Fluffy McNutter

How do we know the Jooz weren't behind the whole thing, or the Keebler Elves?

We can only rightfully judge this on what we do know, and what we do know shows she is a bigot who is capable of improvement.
And she's a Commie. And a pretty good speaker. Seems to like pie, too.

Posted by: eman at July 21, 2010 01:17 AM (s64Rk)

993 Posted by: jmflynny at July 21, 2010 01:14 AM (NHK5s)

Somebody said that but it wasn't me.

I'm not clear on the time line.

Posted by: DrewM. at July 21, 2010 01:18 AM (X/Lqh)

994 You know, with my confidence in the cerebral and all.

Actually, I was just looking for an excuse to use the line "I am not encumbered by your education".

I used it on a prof that was spouting bullshit once, and it stuck with me.

Posted by: Herr Morgenholz at July 21, 2010 01:18 AM (h/zKr)

995 @785: "we don't control the media, nor the public schools, nor the colleges. What our side does have is integrity."
So, we're unarmed, surrounded, and control none of the battlefield, but we've got some snazzy uniforms. Awesome.

Posted by: Fa Cube Itches at July 21, 2010 01:18 AM (4TzSk)

996 Posted by: kathleen at July 21, 2010 01:13 AM (dJLhX)

well, didn't this administration promise to be warm and fuzzy? To think about a person's motivations, (didn't they say something like that when they were presenting their nominees to the supremes?) So, yeah, maybe I was expecting a little more than a gang bang firing, maybe they could at least have let the woman stop driving and explain herself? But hey, that's common decency. Even in evil big business they give people a chance. Usually when you are fired or asked for your resignation you know in your heart of hearts it's coming. Sure it is within his power to fire the whole damn lot of them in one fell swoop (reagan and the air traffic controllers comes to mine) but he promised me a rose garden and so I didn't expect him to behave that way.

Posted by: curious at July 21, 2010 01:18 AM (p302b)

997 >>>This will see no airtime. The Obama Admin wants no play of this. She is gone, a non-person, an ex-parrot. Memory hole.

And Breitbart's credibility? Undamaged?

Surely this won't be mentioned every time he's introduced by the MFM, right?

Posted by: ace at July 21, 2010 01:18 AM (KUUXH)

998 JackStraw said that about Breitbart; I don't know myself.

I hope that's not true.

Posted by: ace at July 21, 2010 01:19 AM (KUUXH)

999 This will see no airtime. The Obama Admin wants no play of this. She is gone, a non-person, an ex-parrot. Memory hole.

Don't forget the MFM. By Friday, the main hot topic of the day will be whether Linsey Lohan will be using jelly or syrup when she tosses her first prison salad. (And you just KNOW she would prefer honey instead.)

Posted by: cheshirecat at July 21, 2010 01:19 AM (kHbWt)

1000 why the hell are you giving her every benefit of the doubt Drew m.? Why don't you demonstrate to us that her racist interlude didn't diminish their financial position in any way (whether white farmer was smart enough to figure that out or not)? you have the burden of proof here, not us, since she's the one who copped to a covert racist agenda.

Posted by: kathleen at July 21, 2010 01:19 AM (dJLhX)

1001 Um, actually, in the unedited/nonfake version, she sets the story up by
saying she started wanting to help ONLY blacks, but then something
happened that made her think differently...
Yeah, i know. You want to believe her? Fine, i don't. She seems to me to be a pretty race oriented person and that orientation tends to lead her in one direction.

I guess you didn't watch the whole tape, huh?



Please answer that last question; I have a follow-up.

No, i didn't watch the whole tape, i watched enough to get the general story. So, congrats, whatever little detail you're going to quiz me on i'm sure i won't know. Like i said, you want to believe that she had a change of heart, great, i don't and i'm not interested in being lectured by people who think we should kiss her ass and give her a job on the taxpayers dime.

Posted by: koopy at July 21, 2010 01:20 AM (awinc)

1002 Merovign,

Seriously, if ten times a day when you came here a group of people implied you were a traitor or a subversive or insufficiently patriotic, what do you imagine your emotional reaction to that would be?

If you'd handle it with cool dismissiveness, you're made of more stoic stuff than me.

Posted by: ace at July 21, 2010 01:21 AM (KUUXH)

1003 Surely this won't be mentioned every time he's
introduced by the MFM, right?





Posted by: ace at July 21, 2010 01:18 AM (KUUXH)
Odds that it will went up about 50% when they shut down journojizz, but still, probably not. It's like mentioning old uncle Ernie at Thanksgiving, that raped your sister. Not polite to bring up.

Posted by: Herr Morgenholz at July 21, 2010 01:22 AM (h/zKr)

1004 So, we're unarmed, surrounded, and control none of the battlefield, but we've got some snazzy uniforms. Awesome.

Do we get shirts? Mr Anka said that we get shirts!

Where's Joe?

Posted by: cheshirecat at July 21, 2010 01:22 AM (kHbWt)

1005 I'm stillk trying to figure out with all the dem politicians that have indeed said racist shit, and s till torment us in power
this chick was fired from the top?

Posted by: willow at July 21, 2010 01:23 AM (SbsTp)

1006 Thanks. I don't know why I just caught that reference from what must have been several hours ago. (Please, God, let him be wrong.)

I wish I had asked him where he got that information.

Posted by: jmflynny at July 21, 2010 01:23 AM (NHK5s)

1007 >>>No, i didn't watch the whole tape, i watched enough to get the general story. So, congrats, whatever little detail you're going to quiz me on i'm sure i won't know.

My little detail was just this: Do you generally enjoy have arguments about things of which you have deliberately kept yourself ignorant?

Because all the facts are at your fingertips (in fact you only need to watch eight minutes, 16:00 to 24:30) but you're just like, eh, who cares, I know my position, who cares what the facts are.

Posted by: ace at July 21, 2010 01:23 AM (KUUXH)

1008 1000 Ace,
the assumption you are making is that AB is not holding a blackjack behind his back, the assumption I am making is he is....
now given his past performances i feel comfortable, given the worst case sceanrio you feel comfortable.....
I think the newsies are gonna walk real carefully with him depending on what Bury does in the next two days.

Posted by: sven10077 at July 21, 2010 01:23 AM (kq1lG)

1009 No, i didn't watch the whole tape,
Posted by: koopy at July 21, 2010 01:20 AM (awinc)


But you're analysis of it should be taken seriously?

Posted by: DrewM. at July 21, 2010 01:23 AM (X/Lqh)

1010 "Are you drunk? Seriously. Even the edited version
has part of this story. She talks about realizing it's not about black
and white but rich and poor. It's elaborated on in the full vid but it's
right there in the edit that's been out for 2 days now.


Posted by: DrewM. at July 21, 2010 12:55 AM (X/Lqh)"
No drew, I'm not drunk. And no drew she wasn't saying it's not about black vs white, but rich vs poor.She's saying it's about black vs white AND rich vs poor.I've carefully watched the full video. I'm not shilling against you, though I often disagree with you. I'm not some kook. I'm honestly saying that she clearly is a racist on the full video. When I watched the short crap, the one Ace is asserting was deceptively edited (to remove the TEA PARTY IS RACIST!!!! claim? LOL), I realized that she was clearly talking about some additional poverty issue. Everyone did. I was somewhat expecting a 'This racism of mine was extremely wrong' commentary to have been excluded. My reaction to this was 'I'm glad she's sorry and I'm gladder she isn't in authority because a sorry corrupt racist is still pretty irresponsible'But the video is very clear: she is not sorry at all for her racism. She isn't blaming herself for not helping the white farmer as she would have the black. His lawyer sucked and gave up, and she wanted a chapter 11 filing, which I should add, did not occur at all according to the wife of the supposed racism victim.She goes back and forth from 'blacks should help blacks like they used to' and 'it's about the war on poverty and all this free money.'Perhaps the reason we see this differently is that she is so damn unclear about this.
But one fact remains that is clear: she was racist. She treated that white farmer much worse than a black, only offering any aid at all in an effort to cover her ass before the Department of Agriculture she obviously was being dishonest with (at best). That what she said: she only helped him at all so it would look like she helped him. And her help sucked and he suffered from May to November if I recall correctly, and then she helped him by insisting on Chapter 11 when his 'white' honkey attorney gave up on him.And the most important part, to me, is that she is clearly happy with herself at that point, after all that racism. She isn't sorry. There is no redemption. The audience didn't learn to avoid hating white people at all. They see that sometimes, you should help a white guy if he's in real bad shape.
So no, I'm not drunk, Drew M. I don't understand why you suggest I am. I think it's pretty obvious I have carefully watched the tape and am not lying about its contents. I don't think you're a lesser patriot or whatever for having a different view.One other thing, and I'm sorry because I know I'm repeating myself: the section before the 'deceptive cut' had more racism. The section just after it had the insane rant that opposing Obama must be antiblack racism. Breitbart obviously did not have access to that material and obviously did not deceptively cut this video.Should he have waited on this story until he got more video? I don't know. Maybe? Could he have gotten it? We know the truth because of how he handled it, but maybe that's not good enough, even if he's updating with the best info he's got. I don't know if he 'gave one to the other side' I sincerely doubt the has helped the left at all, and it obviously has caused the NAACP to think about its racism. We're all winning, in my opinion.But I'm leaving the general 'did Breitbart do it right' discussion aside. All I care about is this: did Breitbart maliciously deceive people? Did he leave stuff out that he had the ability to leave out? Is he a cheater?And dammit, he is not a cheater. Please, seriously, please, reconsider that one. He deserves to keep his credibility, and while you are not the final arbiter of that, I do think it makes a difference what you say about it.
Thanks.

Posted by: Legendary Film Star Rick Moranis at July 21, 2010 01:23 AM (dUOK+)

1011 Seriously, if ten times a day when you came here a group of people
implied you were a traitor or a subversive or insufficiently patriotic,
what do you imagine your emotional reaction to that would be?
Seriously, Ace. If that happens, let me know. I wanna be here to see it. Hell, even once would be cool.

You're imagining shit. I'm totally serial.

Posted by: Herr Morgenholz at July 21, 2010 01:24 AM (h/zKr)

1012 She seems to me to be a pretty race oriented person and that orientation tends to lead her in one direction.

The Senate?

Posted by: cheshirecat at July 21, 2010 01:24 AM (kHbWt)

1013 Shit

Your not "you're" in 1013 (damn)

Posted by: DrewM. at July 21, 2010 01:25 AM (X/Lqh)

1014 mommy and daddy are fighting again

Posted by: Filly, curled up in the fetal position in the closet, clutching stuffed Seabiscut at July 21, 2010 01:26 AM (4EjRJ)

1015 >>>the assumption you are making is that AB is not holding a blackjack behind his back, the assumption I am making is he is....

even if he had a 'blackjack" that wouldn't change the fact that he was involved in disseminating a deceptively-edited video-- that is, his credibility takes a big hit no matter who he hits next.

There's no rescuing THIS video.

And frankly, the exchange of Breitbart for Sherrod was a poor one. Breitbart is a rook, Sherrod a... I would say a pawn but I think there must be some piece more worthless than a pawn, like a worn-down misplaced Miner from Stratego.


Posted by: ace at July 21, 2010 01:27 AM (KUUXH)

1016 I've been thinking (yeah, dangerous I know, I could have an uncontrollable mental orgasm)...we can sit here and pick both sides of this to bits and find arguments on both sides.

But how will this play (either version of the tape) to the average person out there?

The media has conditioned the masses to take what they see or are presented as "the word". Is this a "reap-what-you-sow" moment? Will the general audience be swayed in any way? What about those all-important Independents and Ron-Paulians? Will someone get me another god-damn candy bar, please?

Posted by: cheshirecat at July 21, 2010 01:27 AM (kHbWt)

1017 What people are passing by is she didn't just send them off to 'one of their own kind', she followed up and kept on the case.
If she did anything wrong, it was the wording of her story. Kinda impolitic. She could have said the same thing in a way hat wouldn't have freaked out people on both sides. It got her fired and got some of us riled.
That rhymed. See that?
People get canned for unfortunately worded statements all the time.

Posted by: rdbrewer at July 21, 2010 01:27 AM (z6Ex1)

1018 Your not
"you're" in 1013 (damn)

Posted by: DrewM. at July 21, 2010 01:25 AM (X/Lqh)
And you expect me to take "you're" criticisms seriously?

Posted by: Herr Morgenholz at July 21, 2010 01:27 AM (h/zKr)

1019 993
I didn't really intend that but I was explaining the Stabbed In The Back
scenario, and yeah, it was a Hitler thing.



yeah, it's ugly to be called a Nazi. It's also not so much fun to be
called a morale traitor subverting the team and causing us to lose.



And you don't seem to get that this paradigm you're addicted to -- those
who disagree are just splitters who can't wait to tear down other
conservatives -- is always putting people like me into the category of
traitor.
Posted by: ace at July 21, 2010 01:17 AM (KUUXH)

Dude, that's some seriously loose shit. Did you read what I wrote? I said everybody needed to calm the fuck down and examine the evidence and not snipe at each other, for example, calling people fucking Nazis over something they didn't even do.

Go read post 800 if you missed it and then leave me the fuck out of it. I didn't call you any such thing, I explicitly rejected that idea, and if that's not enough then you might as well just make some shit up about my Mom.

Posted by: Merovign at July 21, 2010 01:28 AM (bxiXv)

1020 I don't even think Andrew Breitbart or Shirley Sherrod of the Immaculate Redemption is still awake worrying about this.

She'll get a cushy job at a university and count her settlement money and I doubt Breitbart is going to kill himself about what the MFM thinks about this either.

What can the MFM say about Breitbart that they haven't already? Should he cower and commit seppuku?

THE TEA PARTY MOVEMENT IS NOT RACIST.

I KNOW. BECAUSE WE ARE IT. DUH.


That whole thing has been lost today. As planned and directed.







Posted by: sifty at July 21, 2010 01:28 AM (BimL7)

1021 If only conservatives become the same witless pussies willing to defend the other side at the slightest hint of inaccurate claim when it comes to BS agenda on their part, like prohibition. So far it seems only race mongering leftists get this privilege.

Posted by: AlexD at July 21, 2010 01:29 AM (Fq053)

1022 "

Because all the facts are at your fingertips (in fact you only need to
watch eight minutes, 16:00 to 24:30) but you're just like, eh, who
cares, I know my position, who cares what the facts are."

Actually, I think people need to watch the whole thing to see just how racist this woman is, and just how far she'll go in calling others racist. And to see just what this crowd is expecting, as far as a warning against being racist against whites (never happened, of course).

It's a horrible speech. Maybe 16:30 to the end would be more tolerable? But really, it's not the end of the world to spend 40 minutes realizing what the NAACP is about.

What's interesting is that Shirley is extremely moderate in comparison to some NAACP speakers these days. (In my opinion).

Posted by: Legendary Film Star Rick Moranis at July 21, 2010 01:29 AM (dUOK+)

1023 What does that say about the Aid Association for
Lutherans




I would say "Aid""Advancement".

Posted by: cheshirecat at July 21, 2010 12:48 AM (kHbWt)
Oh, if we are going only by the specific words in the organization names, then I agreee that "Aid" is not the same thing as "Advancement."See, "Advancement" implies that the NAACP wants to help Black people advance in socioeconomic status. That implies that they want to help the poor Black underclass become contributing members of society."Aid" means giving handouts. So the AAL gives money to needy Lutherans. Maybe the aid will help people up and onto their feet, or maybe it will leave them dependent on more aid. Either way -- only Lutherans need apply.

Posted by: stuiec at July 21, 2010 01:30 AM (W+GYq)

1024 I can't work up the effort to defend her; she just seems like a fucking idiot and a hack.
There are lots of other battles to fight.

Posted by: TexasJew at July 21, 2010 01:30 AM (mY03/)

1025 Merovign, you didn't say it in 800, which was after I objected to the Stabbed in the Back scenario. I was referring to an earlier post where you suggested -- unless my memory is wrong -- that there were some who enjoyed ripping down other conservatives.

Unfortunately, I fall into that category, in your telling; so how am I supposed to react?

How would you react?

Posted by: ace at July 21, 2010 01:31 AM (KUUXH)

1026 AB has gone gonzo on the vid. He's now tearing apart the video and posting various pieces of it on his site.

He's pulling out the most damning parts and posting them now.

Posted by: jmflynny at July 21, 2010 01:31 AM (NHK5s)

1027 if that's not enough then you might as well just make some shit up about
my Mom.

Why? We have tapes. Heavily edited, but there* still tapes.

*In honor of Drew.

Posted by: Herr Morgenholz at July 21, 2010 01:31 AM (h/zKr)

1028 And dammit, he is not a cheater. Please, seriously, please, reconsider
that one. He deserves to keep his credibility, and while you are not
the final arbiter of that, I do think it makes a difference what you say
about it.
Posted by: Legendary Film Star Rick Moranis at July 21, 2010 01:23 AM
(dUOK+)


I didn't say he was a cheater. I'm saying he's got a video up that has information that we know is false and misleading (the whole she was conducting her federal job in a racist manner).

He should take at least the text open down or retract it.

No one 'deserves to keep' their credibility. Everyone's credibility is on the line every time they do or say something. Breitbart knows this. Everyone makes mistakes, it's how we deal with them that counts.

Conservatives hunkering down and pretending something bad didn't happen here out a desire for loyalty simply is putting wishing above the reality of how the world works.

As for the rest of your comment, I think we've been over that more than once and it's 1:30. I'm sure they'll be time to hash it out again in the coming days.

Posted by: DrewM. at July 21, 2010 01:33 AM (X/Lqh)

1029 >>>Actually, I think people need to watch the whole thing to see just how racist this woman is, and just how far she'll go in calling others racist. And to see just what this crowd is expecting, as far as a warning against being racist against whites (never happened, of course).

Oh who cares about her?

You think I care? I don't.

What I care about is that a bad mistake was made and it's going to hurt Breitbart, who is a very important player.

I don't really give a shit if Sherrod is fired or rehired.

I am actually just mad that some of Breitbart's mojo was taken.

Posted by: ace at July 21, 2010 01:33 AM (KUUXH)

1030 "What people are passing by is she didn't just send them off to
'one of their own kind', she followed up and kept on the case."

OGMWTFBBQ

She didn't follow up. They came to her.

She sent him off (this wife isn't a factor in the video, just the CNN spin of it) explicitly for the sole reason of defending herself before the Dept of Ag or the State of Georgia (she didn't even care who had referred him) that she had helped him. It was a 'cover my ass' issue. She never followed up, but rather was asked for help again.

She goes to great lengths to explain how special this white farmer's problems were before she actually helped him (and then, not very fucking much). so the reason people are 'passing that by' is that this account is a complete fiction.

I know she passed them to their kind for help because THAT'S WHAT SHE SAID that she did. It's looking like it doesn't even matter what's on the tape. Some people are actually just denying she said what she said and replacing that with this actual deception... and these people think Breitbart did something wrong, because he gave you 100% of what he had, to see for yourself?

Posted by: Legendary Film Star Rick Moranis at July 21, 2010 01:35 AM (dUOK+)

1031 even if he had a 'blackjack" that wouldn't change the fact that he was involved in disseminating a deceptively-edited video-- that is, his credibility takes a big hit no matter who he hits next.

Too bad that argument doesn't work with the MFM. (Gun-toting Tea Partier is BLACK! Can't show that.)

I feel for you. I want AB to have solid bona-fides on this argument too, and yeah, this does seem to leave too much open to interpretation. I don't think AB will take too much of a hit, though. After all, there is PLENTY of counters to it, not just the example above.)

Posted by: cheshirecat at July 21, 2010 01:35 AM (kHbWt)

1032 Because all the facts are at your fingertips (in fact you only need to
watch eight minutes, 16:00 to 24:30) but you're just like, eh, who
cares, I know my position, who cares what the facts are.

No, i'm saying i don't believe she had a change of heart. She can claim all day and night that she had an epiphany, so what? Everything else she says shows her to be a person who's interested in helping her own race and if whitey gets a little help too, well, she's ok with that now.

But you're analysis of it should be taken seriously?

I'm not analsying the tape. It's not the Zapruder film, i don't have to watch every second over and over to get the gist of things. You going to do a post on her shady appointment or are you going to keep playing the brave conservative who criticizes his own?

Posted by: koopy at July 21, 2010 01:35 AM (awinc)

1033 1019 Ace,
yes, but think it through....
he is not "being sacrificed" anymore than Batman was at the end of the Dark Knight....honestly do you think what they wouldn't be on JList version 2.1 calling him racist right now?
They were gonna call Fox's nicest conservative fred barnes racist for God's sake....
AB doesn't care what the newsies and the donks call him, he is taking a calculated risk to expose Bury's "friends"....
the donks are terrified of the "culture of corruption" bit sticking to them and Queen Shamwow is chicago pol abntics on his watch.

Posted by: sven10077 at July 21, 2010 01:36 AM (kq1lG)

1034 I'm not analsying the tape. It's not the Zapruder film, i don't have to watch every second over and over to get the gist of things.

Black, and to the Left...
Black, and to the Left...
Black, and to the Left...
Black, and to the Left...

Posted by: cheshirecat at July 21, 2010 01:36 AM (kHbWt)

1035 1029
Merovign, you didn't say it in 800, which was after I objected to the
Stabbed in the Back scenario. I was referring to an earlier post where
you suggested -- unless my memory is wrong -- that there were some who
enjoyed ripping down other conservatives.



Unfortunately, I fall into that category, in your telling; so how am I
supposed to react?



How would you react?
Posted by: ace at July 21, 2010 01:31 AM (KUUXH)

"I didn't name names because there's no one person to blame. I'm not
blaming you, I'm not the one calling you names."

"In my telling" I did not blame you, I did not name you, I didn't put
you in a category, I didn't call you anything. You imagined it.

Other people got shitty at you, so you called me a Nazi. Why do you keep putting their words on me?

I would not have reacted that way.

Posted by: Merovign at July 21, 2010 01:36 AM (bxiXv)

1036 >>>AB has gone gonzo on the vid. He's now tearing apart the video and posting various pieces of it on his site.

>>>He's pulling out the most damning parts and posting them now.

This is alas what happens when you're nailed and you don't really want to admit it. You go gonzo with (using a word I learned last week) perseveration.

Hey, I've done it.

This isn't like going to kill Breitbart or anything. But there'll be a hit, there will always be the smirk from broadcasters when they say "This next video taken from Breitbart.com" (smirk, you know, *breitbart*) and that kind of thing.

I'm just annoyed that it was an unforced error.

Posted by: ace at July 21, 2010 01:36 AM (KUUXH)

1037 Breitbart is digging in and going after her now.

Posted by: jmflynny at July 21, 2010 01:36 AM (NHK5s)

1038 1017 ShitYour not "you're" in 1013 (damn)
Posted by: DrewM. at July 21, 2010 01:25 AM (X/Lqh)
Come on, Drew! It may be 1:30 in morning, but there's no excuse for that kind of sloppiness!

Posted by: conscious, but incoherent - stumbling over all the bodies on this thread at July 21, 2010 01:38 AM (YVZlY)

1039 Posted by: jmflynny at July 21, 2010 01:36 AM (NHK5s)

Where?

Posted by: DrewM. at July 21, 2010 01:38 AM (X/Lqh)

1040 >>>"I didn't name names because there's no one person to blame. I'm not blaming you, I'm not the one calling you names."

Don't you get it? I can put MYSELF into that category!

If you say people who say A are guilty of B, and I say A, I can follow your logic to find I am guilty of B, without your naming me.

Because I know I said A. So it logically follows.

And sorry about calling you a Nazi.

I didn't really but I guess I also kinda did. Sorry.

Look, it's really a not-so-nice thing to put someone in the category of -- or, if you will, invite him to put himself in the category of -- traitor.

Posted by: ace at July 21, 2010 01:39 AM (KUUXH)

1041 1041,
just remember this is the crowd we let get away with "depends on what is is"....
it is not the breibarts that are the fuck ups it is us.

Posted by: sven10077 at July 21, 2010 01:39 AM (kq1lG)

1042 See, "Advancement" implies that the NAACP wants to help Black people advance in socioeconomic status. That implies that they want to help the poor Black underclass become contributing members of society.

Okay, well they have Advanced now. The way society is now, it's like they are competing against Jews as "the Chosen People" now. Great.

So, why does this organisation still exist? What is it's purpose?

(Same question can be asked about MADD...they succeeded, Drink Driving is BAD! BAD! BAD!--even if you have a microlitre of it in your blood--so what is their raison d'etre now?)

Posted by: cheshirecat at July 21, 2010 01:39 AM (kHbWt)

1043 "
I didn't say he was a cheater."

I'm glad you don't think he's a cheater, Drew M. I was basing this idea on you saying he committed libel, which means a malicious lie to me. I perhaps was just not understanding you correctly.

Fact is, I don't know if Breitbart could have handled this any better. I'm very happy with the results, but I suspect some of you think he could have gotten here differently.

I just think it's extremely implausible that he deceptively edited anything. The aspect that made Anchoress ask 'what the fuck else is there?' was left in, of course. He was wrong to think she had committed this injustice while serving at her senior post, but she is unapologetic for her injustice, which may not be as bad, but I think it's bad enough.

Did breitbart ask her for comments before releasing this video? Did he attempt to get the full video? I think he did those things, but it's hard to remember. That's all I'd ask, and if he didn't do them, I grant that he should have.

Posted by: Legendary Film Star Rick Moranis at July 21, 2010 01:40 AM (dUOK+)

1044 on Breitbart dot com

one vid after the next

Posted by: jmflynny at July 21, 2010 01:40 AM (NHK5s)

1045 Well, an employee of the Exec Branch can be
hired/fired at the pleasure of the Executive. Technically, the Exec can
do it just because he was cranky and couldn't get in another 9 holes in
before lunch.

Posted by: cheshirecat at July 21, 2010 01:15 AM (kHbWt)
Unless said employee is a US Attorney and the Chief Exec is a Republican. Then "serving at the pleasure of the President" is null and void.

Posted by: stuiec at July 21, 2010 01:40 AM (W+GYq)

1046 Where? Wear?

Posted by: DrewM. at July 21, 2010 01:38 AM (X/Lqh)

Posted by: Herr Morgenholz at July 21, 2010 01:40 AM (h/zKr)

1047 ReBeck's AA analogy, one would still say "I'm an alcoholic" even whendone with alcohol.Iguess the analogy breaks down there, because racism isn't analogous to substance abuse. Otherwise, we might say she's a "recovering racist."

Posted by: rdbrewer at July 21, 2010 01:40 AM (z6Ex1)

1048 Ace - his mojo taken?This implies the actionable involvement of a third party - are you saying AB was forced to play non-journalist journalist? He out-smarted himself here -now with a Sherrod asterix along with the rest of us fighting the good fight.

Posted by: matthew J. O'Connor at July 21, 2010 01:41 AM (8EEyy)

1049 Merovign,

Please explain:

"What a wonderful strategy we on the right have. Anytime the front line advances, the rear fires a volley into their ranks. Gotta be fair and all, don'tcha know?"

I'm sorry, was I supposed to not take myself to be in the rear with a gear and firing potshots at the boys actually doing the fighting?

Because that's how I took it.

Posted by: ace at July 21, 2010 01:41 AM (KUUXH)

1050 "This is alas what happens when you're nailed and you don't really want
to admit it. You go gonzo with (using a word I learned last week)
perseveration.





Hey, I've done it."

Yeah, you've kinda been doing it for the past two hours. Didn't you call us all retards and say you were "outta here" at around 11:57?

Posted by: the peanut gallery at July 21, 2010 01:41 AM (NurK6)

1051 It got her fired and got some of us riled.

That rhymed. See that?

Well, no, it didn't...unless you are doing a stereotypical Japanese accents and pronounce "l" and "r" the same.

Legalds,
Cheshilcat.

Posted by: cheshirecat at July 21, 2010 01:43 AM (kHbWt)

1052 1054...

Don't poke the bear.

DON'T poke the bear!!

Posted by: jmflynny at July 21, 2010 01:43 AM (NHK5s)

1053 Merovign,

Actually, that wasn't you at all, was it?

I'm sorry. I thought it was you. I'm sorry to have mentioned you at all. Really sorry.

Posted by: ace at July 21, 2010 01:43 AM (KUUXH)

1054 And sorry about calling you a Nazi. I didn't really but I guess I also kinda did. Sorry.
It takes guts. Ace gets the platinum mancard/adultcard.

Posted by: rdbrewer at July 21, 2010 01:44 AM (z6Ex1)

1055 Yeah, you've kinda been doing it for the past two hours. Didn't you
call us all retards and say you were "outta here" at around 11:57?

Bring your mom's dentures when you come pick her up.

No hurry, though.

Posted by: Herr Morgenholz at July 21, 2010 01:45 AM (h/zKr)

1056 "This isn't like going to kill Breitbart or anything.
But there'll be a hit, there will always be the smirk from
broadcasters when they say "This next video taken from Breitbart.com"
(smirk, you know, *breitbart*) and that kind of thing.





I'm just annoyed that it was an unforced error.







Posted by: ace at July 21, 2010 01:36 AM (KUUXH)"They probably already have that smirk. After Journolist, I think it's going to be hard for them to complain much. Breitbart's idea that this lady was a racist and the NAACP audience was cool with racism seems more than approximately accurate.I think maybe you're just too sophisticated about politics to see that this kind of clumsiness, if it quickly reveals a relatively similar problem, isn't so bad for Breitbart.
These people will smirk at anything Palin says, at anything you say, at anything that comes from anywhere on the internet, at anything a Republican prospective threat says.
And more obviously: they already said this exact crap about the ACORN videos. The deceptive edits were actually not. They said O'Keefe was going to prison for wiretapping. The deceptive Breitbart spin was not.Ace, the world thinks what Shirley did was really fucking wrong, and Obama standing by her firing has the incidental benefit of making clear that Breitbart exposed a scandal. That's how this will be remembered in a week.

Posted by: Legendary Film Star Rick Moranis at July 21, 2010 01:46 AM (dUOK+)

1057 I think breitbart hasn't lost a scintilla of his mojo, he still hot as hell and his brain is sexier than ever. And I think he probably has a lot more to say.

Posted by: curious at July 21, 2010 01:46 AM (p302b)

1058 1060 Herr,
bad news bud mom's dead

Posted by: Barry Soetoro's SailBoat-The USS Weather Underground at July 21, 2010 01:47 AM (kq1lG)

1059 I'm sorry to have mentioned you at all. Really sorry.

He probably meant to call me a Nazi, Merovign. German name, and all.

I keed, Ace.

Posted by: Herr Morgenholz at July 21, 2010 01:47 AM (h/zKr)

1060 I'm glad you don't think he's a cheater, Drew M. I was basing this idea
on you saying he committed libel, which means a malicious lie to me. I
perhaps was just not understanding you correctly.
Posted by: Legendary Film Star Rick Moranis at July 21, 2010 01:40 AM
(dUOK+)


I've said it twice...the person who put that video together has libeled her (IMO). I expressly said I have no idea who that is. That's not a cute, wink/wink way of saying Brietbart Did It! It's the truth.

I saw him on CNN saying it was sent to him, I believe that. AB isn't trolling local cable looking for NAACP awards dinners and chopping up the video.
Fact is, I don't know if Breitbart could have handled this any better.

Easily, he could have asked for the full tape. He said he got the edited version this weekend and the NAACP-tea party is racist crap obviously got him going. He wanted to hit back. A good instinct but he's not just some guy, he's a big deal. He has to have his ducks in a row or it will backfire on him.

Regardless of the fact that he didn't edit this, he's responsible for releasing it and doing the proper due diligence. He's going to take the hit for the error.

Posted by: DrewM. at July 21, 2010 01:47 AM (X/Lqh)

1061 >>>Fact is, I don't know if Breitbart could have handled this any better. I'm very happy with the results, but I suspect some of you think he could have gotten here differently.

I don't know if I'm happy with the results. Frankly, the public gets some stuff wrong. So they may not get the correction here and leave with the idea that thsi woman was saing all sorts of racist shit.

And, frankly, if that happens -- swell.

Look, I'll take that kind of bad victory. I'm not above it.

But I don't think that's going to happen, I think the media is going to hammer breitbart to make sure the public doesn't think that.

They are gunning for him, after all.

So when you say you like the results-- which results? Sherrod is being rehired tomorrow (Obama is already considering it, he says; I say done deal).

The MFM will spend 48 hours pounding the story and the "Right wing noise machine."

I don't like those results.

Posted by: ace at July 21, 2010 01:48 AM (KUUXH)

1062 Unless said employee is a US Attorney and the Chief Exec is a Republican. Then "serving at the pleasure of the President" is null and void.

Well, I was talking theory, not actual practice, of course. How dare you.

Posted by: cheshirecat at July 21, 2010 01:48 AM (kHbWt)

1063 bad news bud mom's dead

Then bring a really big microwave.

Posted by: Herr Morgenholz at July 21, 2010 01:48 AM (h/zKr)

1064 Because I know I said A. So it logically follows.



And sorry about calling you a Nazi.



I didn't really but I guess I also kinda did. Sorry.



Look, it's really a not-so-nice thing to put someone in the category of
-- or, if you will, invite him to put himself in the category of --
traitor.
Posted by: ace at July 21, 2010 01:39 AM (KUUXH)

1) The Nazi thing was severe loose shit, especially in a post where you complain about other people being offensive. Apology grudgingly accepted, sorry I can't be more enthusiastic about it but forget it.

2) My whole God-Damned point is that we're allies, we're essentially on the same side, we all have our reasons for taking the positions we take. Even though we differ sometimes, when we find we have a difference we have a few choices, and the worst one is the one we usually pick. It's not about traitors, it's about friends who argue when they don't have to.

If you want it to be about traitors, that's not on me. I don't know what more I'm supposed to do than explicitly tell you I'm not saying that.

You'll also note I didn't pick a side - every one of these circular firing squads involves two or more factions cranking it up to 11.

I should have known better, it's always the guy that tells everyone to calm the fuck down that takes the first bullet.

Posted by: Merovign, who told everyone to calm down anyway at July 21, 2010 01:48 AM (bxiXv)

1065 Ace - his mojo taken? This implies the actionable involvement of a third party


Riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight. (pinky to lip)

Posted by: cheshirecat at July 21, 2010 01:49 AM (kHbWt)

1066 1057
Merovign,





Actually, that wasn't you at all, was it?





I'm sorry. I thought it was you. I'm sorry to have mentioned you at
all. Really sorry.

Posted by: ace at July 21, 2010 01:43 AM (KUUXH)
Okay, THAT version of the apology I can accept without the grudge.

Posted by: Merovign, relieved at July 21, 2010 01:49 AM (bxiXv)

1067 Been a long time since I've seen a bar fight like this, on this blog.

Once everyone steps away from this, the editorials that we're starting to see appear to be more interested in Sherrod getting her job back and criticizing the Obama administration for being scared of its own shadow.

Did Breitbart get damaged by this? Judging from his appearance on Hannity this evening, he seems to think so. It also obscured the good work Tucker Carlson did with the JournoList stuff today.

I was telling Drew earlier- this seemed to unfold waaaaay too fast. This story is less than 48 hours old, which means it isn't necessarily over yet. Let's see what plays out through the end of the week.

I hope Breitbart didn't singe his own tail feathers getting too close to the explosion, but if he did, then we all learn a lesson. For the sake of the discussion, if it was an unforced error on Breitbart's part, the heavy-handed response from the administration makes them look even worse.

But let's see what actually happens before we label this a Pyrrhic victory.

Posted by: tmi3rd at July 21, 2010 01:50 AM (WRtsc)

1068 OK, perhaps I should just admit it: I don't give a crap about the political damage. I don't believe there is any, but I honestly don't care.

Does anyone here really think Breitbart deceptively cut out video evidence? If you do, watch the full video and consider making it a few minutes earlier or later. I think he must have not had access to that stuff, in particular the stuff just after this story about the Obamacare racism.

There's another issue of how skilled Breitbart's actions were. Valid issue. Not mine.

Drew says he's no cheater. Thank goodness, and that really makes me glad. I think it's ridiculous to say Breitbart is a cheater.

Posted by: Legendary Film Star Rick Moranis at July 21, 2010 01:51 AM (dUOK+)

1069 The MFM will spend 48 hours pounding the story and the "Right wing noise
machine."

Bullshit bullshit bullshit.

The very, very last thing they want brought up is Obama and Race in the same sentence. You are absolutely full of shit, and if I'm wrong I will personally fly to NYC and buy you a beer.

I have stables that are less full of shit than you are with this statement.

It would be dumb, dumb, dumb for them to try to make of this 3 months before the midterms and they know it.

Posted by: Herr Morgenholz at July 21, 2010 01:51 AM (h/zKr)

1070 Posted by: jmflynny at July 21, 2010 01:40 AM (NHK5s)

Thanks.

Nothing like doubling down.

Posted by: DrewM. at July 21, 2010 01:52 AM (X/Lqh)

1071 Ace, the world thinks what Shirley did was really fucking wrong, and Obama standing by her firing has the incidental benefit of making clear that Breitbart exposed a scandal. That's how this will be remembered in a week. November.

At least, that's the hope.

Posted by: cheshirecat at July 21, 2010 01:52 AM (kHbWt)

1072 >>>>My whole God-Damned point is that we're allies, we're essentially on the same side, we all have our reasons for taking the positions we take. Even though we differ sometimes, when we find we have a difference we have a few choices, and the worst one is the one we usually pick. It's not about traitors, it's about friends who argue when they don't have to.

Well that's what I think.

I feel, though, that there is often a quick resort to imputations of bad faith.

I would rather keep this on an impersonal level. When disagreeing, best to keep impersonal. Bringing in the personal is a guaranteed ticket to a shitstorm.

Posted by: ace at July 21, 2010 01:52 AM (KUUXH)

1073 1072,
the funny thing is Bury if smart could use Breibart to justify distancing himself from a liability....the coordination between the NAACP national office and the admin is not just left hand not knowing what mighty righty is up to but not even being the same body

Posted by: sven10077 at July 21, 2010 01:52 AM (kq1lG)

1074 Obama standing by her firing has the incidental benefit of making clear
that Breitbart exposed a scandal. That's how this will be remembered
in a week.


Not if Anchoress, Beck and Krauthammer can help it.

Posted by: AlexD at July 21, 2010 01:53 AM (Fq053)

1075 In the meantime Colt is playing his new Lego Star Wars game. He is most disappointed in it, because JarJar is forever showing up. He keeps shooting him, but then he reappears again.

Somehow, this is appropriate.

Posted by: Filly at July 21, 2010 01:53 AM (4EjRJ)

1076 Tmi3rd, I think the storyalso revealed the Whitehouse shouldn't keep its finger on the trigger if it's going to be that jumpy.

Posted by: rdbrewer at July 21, 2010 01:54 AM (z6Ex1)

1077 I feel, though, that there is often a quick resort to imputations of bad
faith.

Sometimes, yes.

Posted by: Herr Morgenholz at July 21, 2010 01:54 AM (h/zKr)

1078 >>>Does anyone here really think Breitbart deceptively cut out video evidence?

I think that is unlikely in the extreme. The risk-reward here is... not good.

Someone else did, though.

Posted by: ace at July 21, 2010 01:54 AM (KUUXH)

1079 Been a long time since I've seen a bar fight like this, on this blog.

Look at it this way, if this were LGF, this thread would be 5 posts long, because Chuckie would have had a massive toilet flush.

Posted by: cheshirecat at July 21, 2010 01:55 AM (kHbWt)

1080 And there would be a picture of a bicycle!

Posted by: cheshirecat at July 21, 2010 01:56 AM (kHbWt)

1081 Here's a roundup of Sharrod stories from Instapundit. The Power Line guys' one looks like good reading--they're intellectual lawyers, after all.

Posted by: andycanuck at July 21, 2010 01:56 AM (7b1Uc)

1082 For what it's worth, I don't know how this is going to turn out in the long run. AB's followed up with a Wright/NAACP video that's obviously easier to parse and more obvious than the Sherrod one, I don't know if that one will get less coverage because of Sherrod or whether it will overshadow the Sherrod one.

Wild guess is AB tried the ACORN trick of starting with the weak lead as a feint and then following with stronger punches, but the boxers have changed, I'm not sure that will work as well since he's going directly up against bigger fish this time.

And I don't think the intent was for an immediate firing of Sherrod, that threw a wrench in the thing and who knows how that will turn out in the long run.

I did watch the long version of the video, BTW, I do think AB got punked by someone with the short version and if it was deliberate he needs to throw the punk who did it under the bus.

AB should have led with the right hook.

Posted by: Merovign, relieved at July 21, 2010 01:56 AM (bxiXv)

1083 Drew says he's no cheater. Thank goodness, and that really makes me
glad. I think it's ridiculous to say Breitbart is a cheater.
Posted by: Legendary Film Star Rick Moranis at July 21, 2010 01:51 AM
(dUOK+)

Obviously I don't mind mixing it up (I rather enjoy it) but I do prefer defending things I actually write.

I honestly have no clue where you got the idea I thought AB did the editing.

That said, he does have responsibility for it once he put it in his post. When you do that, you are saying "I believe this to be true". Once it turns out otherwise, the only honorable thing is issue corrections/retractions as necessary.

Trust me...it's no fun but it has to be done.

I wish AB had done that but he's not. It's the way small mistakes become big ones.

Posted by: DrewM. at July 21, 2010 01:56 AM (X/Lqh)

1084 "You think I care? I don't.





What I care about is that a bad mistake was made and it's going to hurt
Breitbart, who is a very important player.





I don't really give a shit if Sherrod is fired or rehired.





I am actually just mad that some of Breitbart's mojo was taken.







Posted by: ace at July 21, 2010 01:33 AM (KUUXH) "
Lol, Breitbart will be fine if we simply stick with the truth. Sherrod discriminated against and individual because of his skin color. The message was quite clear regardless of whether it was the full tape or not.
Tell us Ace, did you hear from liberals that the Acorn videos were edited? I did and laughed right in their faces as I took their arguments apart piece by piece. Breitbart is one of our big guns and will be firing away at the scumbags for years to come.Tell us, are those tapes of Shabazz saying you have to kill cracker babies are the full audios, maybe they were take out of context! Should we denouce Glen Beck and Fox for this? Should we be concerned if Fox and Beck have lost their Mojo?The left always claims some dirty trick is being played by the right, that is how they justify their acts of fabrication, violence and out right theft!


Posted by: Africanus at July 21, 2010 01:57 AM (hs1q/)

1085 Your tax dollars at work, ladies and gentlemen.

Posted by: TexasJew at July 21, 2010 01:57 AM (mY03/)

1086 There is only one way in which Breitbart *COULD* have done this: It's if he didn't get that she was giving some racial-healing jag here, if he didn't pick up on that (note that The Anchoress was the first: I think women pick up on such nuances more), and so he didn't realize what he was discarding in fact cut against the point he was making; he just thought it was irrelevant and cutting to the good stuff.

That would have been very sloppy of him.

But do this deliberately, knowingly? No.

As Cutter said in the Prestige: "You've risen too high to risk professional embarrassment."

Posted by: ace at July 21, 2010 01:57 AM (KUUXH)

1087 Drew says he's no cheater. Thank goodness, and that really makes me glad. I think it's ridiculous to say Breitbart is a cheater.
Hi, Breitbart!

Posted by: rdbrewer at July 21, 2010 01:58 AM (z6Ex1)

1088 So the jist of this was "I criminally fucked the crackerswhile in my Federal jobbut then felt bad about it."

Posted by: TexasJew at July 21, 2010 02:00 AM (mY03/)

1089 As Cutter said in the Prestige: "You've risen too high to risk
professional embarrassment."

Cutter knows less than an armadillo in a Texas tire rut.

Posted by: Capn' Dan, The News Man at July 21, 2010 02:00 AM (Sm4jN)

1090 Posted by: tmi3rd at July 21, 2010 01:50 AM (WRtsc)

That's the biggest break AB caught here...the White House and NAACP stepping on their own dicks over this spreads around the anger and cuts some of the air out of it because they won't want to talk about it much.

Posted by: DrewM. at July 21, 2010 02:00 AM (X/Lqh)

1091 I see everyone is calming down...I'm guessing we've run out of vodka, then? Man, ya'll gonna have some wicked hangovers tomorrow.

Posted by: cheshirecat at July 21, 2010 02:01 AM (kHbWt)

1092 they won't want to talk about it much.

Ya think? Really?

This is a nontroversy. This gets no air-time. No damage to AB.

Posted by: Herr Morgenholz at July 21, 2010 02:02 AM (Sm4jN)

1093 >>>That's the biggest break AB caught here...the White House and NAACP stepping on their own dicks over this spreads around the anger and cuts some of the air out of it because they won't want to talk about it much.

right. He can always say "Well, Obama and the NAACP found it as convincing and repulsive as I did."

Which is a decent answer, but he's earlier in the chain, so...

Still.

Well, I really like Breitbart, and no, I'm not trying to tear him down.

But he has to realize he's not some blogger anymore. He's actually a force about the size of a half-a-FoxNews. He's gotta be more careful than that.

Rule in Chess: Don't bring out the Queen early. Don't put it in jeopardy. It's too important.

Posted by: ace at July 21, 2010 02:02 AM (KUUXH)

1094 Breitbart is a good guy and a neighbor. I was pissed but in the end he did not do this in bad faith and mistakes happen.Heis charging up the lib ray right now . . . neutron dance next time.

Posted by: matthew J. O'Connor at July 21, 2010 02:03 AM (8EEyy)

1095 Posted by: Herr Morgenholz at July 21, 2010 02:02 AM (Sm4jN)

Not among the fan club no.

Of course AB's biggest value is getting beyond the choir. This will make it marginally harder in the future.

Tell you what...I bet FNC isn't thrilled with him at the moment.

Posted by: DrewM. at July 21, 2010 02:04 AM (X/Lqh)

1096 That's the biggest break AB caught here...the White
House and NAACP stepping on their own dicks over this spreads around the
anger and cuts some of the air out of it because they won't want to
talk about it much.

Posted by: DrewM. at July 21, 2010 02:00 AM (X/Lqh)
^This.The NAACP and Vilcivevekikovian or whatever the **** his name is probably saved Breitbart from whoever tried to slip him up with a cut video.

Posted by: Merovign, relieved at July 21, 2010 02:04 AM (bxiXv)

1097 Don't bring out the Queen early.

No shit.

Posted by: House Finance Committee at July 21, 2010 02:04 AM (Sm4jN)

1098 Again, who are you going to believe...the people who had their farm
saved or random blog commenters?

Again, I am not saying they are not to be believed. In fact I said they had no reason to lie. I said their belief was formed on what they knew, and that is that she helped them. Their belief is based on what facts are available to them, but may not reflect all the facts. The same way someone might call the cops because they see a guy getting
the shit kicked out of him and assume he is a victim, when maybe he is
getting his ass kicked by the husband of the woman he just raped.

No one who claims they denied them services can point to what services
were denied and again, the people most impacted don't think they were
screwed. Quite the opposite actually.

How do you square the fact that they cannot point to any services denied with her admission that she did not do everything she could have for them? Either they are lying (unlikely), or they were unaware of all the services that were available to them at the time they saw her (highly likely). The fact that these people can't point to what services were denied proves nothing, and it doesn't prove one way or the other whether her motive for ultimately stepping up to the plate for them was altruistic or self-serving.

Does her word (unproven) that she sent them to this attorney because he had training on Ch 12 disprove that he may still have been a known incompetent douche? No.

All I'm saying is that there is very little factual evidence on this particular aspect of this whole issue, so isn't it likely that other commenters have arrived at differing conclusions?

Posted by: Miss Fluffy McNutter at July 21, 2010 02:05 AM (xMSXs)

1099 ABC news reporting that a plane gong from DC to I think LA made an emergency landing in Denver after they experienced turbulence and the plane dropped thirty feet....sheesh and then they made the poor pilot divert to Denver, one of the toughest areas to land in? Wow

Posted by: curious at July 21, 2010 02:06 AM (p302b)

1100 1104
ABC news reporting that a plane gong from DC to I think LA made an
emergency landing in Denver after they experienced turbulence and the
plane dropped thirty feet....sheesh and then they made the poor pilot
divert to Denver, one of the toughest areas to land in? Wow


Posted by: curious at July 21, 2010 02:06 AM (p302b)
That's kind of like telling a driver who had bikers throw chains at his car to pull over in Compton for safety.Wait, do I denounce myself for that? I didn't check the guidebook.

Posted by: Merovign, *hic* at July 21, 2010 02:08 AM (bxiXv)

1101 That's kind of like telling a driver who had bikers throw chains at his car to pull over in Compton for safety.Posted by: Merovign, *hic* at July 21, 2010 02:08 AM (bxiXv)
Can't stop laughing. Dude that's beyond classic.

Posted by: matthew J. O'Connor at July 21, 2010 02:10 AM (8EEyy)

1102 Don't bring out the queen early.
True, that.

Posted by: Andre Bauer at July 21, 2010 02:10 AM (z6Ex1)

1103 Posted by: Miss Fluffy McNutter at July 21, 2010 02:05 AM (xMSXs)

At the moment we can only go on what we have from the parties involved.

You're submitting theories that have no factual basis at the moment and in fact contradict what the people involved are saying.

Did you watch the vid of the couple? They don't strike me as well coached media pros. This took them by surprise so I tend to believe this is their honest reaction.

I'm willing to adjust my thoughts if evidence emerges but I'm not going to credit wild speculation over the testimony of the parties invovled.

You have to realize Sherrod actually should get the benefit of the doubt.. her initial statement about holding back is a statement against interest,, those are generally given great weight. When people come clean up front, the rest of their statements also generally get the benefit of the doubt. Additionally, there are other credible parties who back her up.

Again, it's 3 people invovled in this against everyone elses imagination. Sorry, I'm not chasing unsupported possibilities. Especially since folks here have reason to discredit her (helps AB, the whole NAACP-tea party thing, etc).

Posted by: DrewM. at July 21, 2010 02:11 AM (X/Lqh)

1104 "A United Airlines
jetliner was diverted to Denver on Tuesday after 30 people onboard were
injured, one critically, when the plane hit severe turbulence while
flying over Kansas, the Federal Aviation Administration said. The flight originated at Dulles International Airport
near Washington, D.C., and was headed to Los Angeles. It landed safely
at Denver International Airport around 7:45 p.m. and was met by medical
crews, Denver Fire Department spokesman Eric Tade said."

Posted by: curious at July 21, 2010 02:12 AM (p302b)

1105 >>>Of course AB's biggest value is getting beyond the choir. This will make it marginally harder in the future.

This is my problem and why I felt a little queasy as the story crumbled.

Of these three, which is most important?

1) taking down Sherrod;

2) establishing the NAACP has racists;

or

3) Andrew Breitbart.

It's Breitbart, and it's not even that close.

So yeah, I want him doing maximum damage but not at the expense of his ability to inflict maximum damage in the future.

The NAACP has a lot of racists and I'm sure he didn't need this one video... it's just, again, an unforced error.

if he wants to brave-face it, that's fine, I won't contradict him anymore (I'll drop this after today).

But Breitbart represents, actually, something new and something important. He's actually a political force. And a lot of his power (not all of it, but a lot) comes from his ability to will things into the media.

Posted by: ace at July 21, 2010 02:14 AM (KUUXH)

1106 You have to realize Sherrod actually should get the benefit of the
doubt.. her initial statement about holding back is a statement against
interest,,

No, it wasn't against interest. She was telling a story about what a great person she was and that was the set up. Without that, there is no story of redemption that has you all dreamy eyed. So it was entirely in her interest.

Posted by: koopy at July 21, 2010 02:15 AM (awinc)

1107 "And a lot of his power (not all of it, but a lot)
comes from his ability to will things into the media.







Posted by: ace at July 21, 2010 02:14 AM (KUUXH)"he sometimes reminds me of Karl Rove and I don't know why but he does.

Posted by: curious at July 21, 2010 02:16 AM (p302b)

1108 Curious, I have some inside info on that aircraft incident (which is being treated as an aircraft accident, btw)... can't go into too much detail, but they were skirting the edge of some thunderstorms when they encountered the turbulence. Apparently, the injuries were impressive enough that they got their butts on the ground quickly. There aren't too many airfields out there that could take them anyway.

Posted by: tmi3rd at July 21, 2010 02:18 AM (WRtsc)

1109 "No, it wasn't against interest. She was telling a story about what a
great person she was and that was the set up. Without that, there is no
story of redemption that has you all dreamy eyed. So it was entirely in
her interest."

It was "against interest" in the sense that it could be used against her in discrimination lawsuits, but she's probably too dumb to know that.

Posted by: the peanut gallery at July 21, 2010 02:18 AM (NurK6)

1110 Certain parts of this Breitbart couldn't have easily known -- like that this happened 24 years ago, or that Sherrod became friends with the white farmers. (not really on the tape.)

That was like a total sandbag. A true journalist would have nailed that stuff down, but then, there aren't many true journalists around, certainly not in the MFM.

But getting the whole tape is something he could have done, or not run it, not without seeing it all for context.

Posted by: ace at July 21, 2010 02:18 AM (KUUXH)

1111 then they made the poor pilot divert to Denver, one
of the toughest areas to land in? Wow


Posted by: curious at July 21, 2010 02:06 AM (p302b)
Gee, you'd think that Denver would be easy to land in, 'cause you don't have to make the plane go down as much to reach ground.

Posted by: stuiec at July 21, 2010 02:19 AM (W+GYq)

1112 Don't bring out the Queen early.
You're telling me I got dressed-up for nothing?

Posted by: Bawny Fwank at July 21, 2010 02:21 AM (YVZlY)

1113 No, it wasn't against interest. She was telling a story about what a
great person she was and that was the set up. Without that, there is no
story of redemption that has you all dreamy eyed. So it was entirely in
her interest.
Posted by: koopy at July 21, 2010 02:15 AM (awinc)

I think a statement that gets you ass fired by the White House within a matter of hours is most definitely against your interest.

BTW-she says the White House ordered her to resign. The White House and Vilsack say no.

I believe her but you must believe the administration since you don't find her credible. Or do you just believe the stuff she says that works for you and disregard the rest?

Posted by: DrewM. at July 21, 2010 02:22 AM (X/Lqh)

1114 But he has to realize he's not some blogger anymore. He's actually a
force about the size of a half-a-FoxNews. He's gotta be more careful
than that.

This.

It got so heated in here that I think Drew's pointing out that the on-tape captioned intro was factually incorrect was eventually overcome by the "is she or isn't she still a bigot" issue. If had he fact-checked it and knew it was incorrect but didn't want to be accused of doctoring the tape he should have led with a disclaimer. That was a huge misstep by AB, and one that a smart guy like him will likely never repeat.

Posted by: Miss Fluffy McNutter at July 21, 2010 02:22 AM (xMSXs)

1115 Eh, it's just a mistake.

I guess I agree with some who say there's no reason to flagellate ourselves or Breitbart, and I guess i agree.

If Plan A is to pretend it didn't happen, I guess I can live with that. I don't know if Plan A is a very good plan but then I'm not on the planning committee so I can let it slide.

There is also a fair chance that this "works" anyway, that Herr is right, what people remember are that this woman was a racist, etc., and while that would be a dirty victory it would still be a victory and I guess I could manage to control my quavering outrage about it to enjoy it.

As is often said, it's not like the left is very interested in candor and integrity.

I guess that could happen.

But I tell you what, all three -- Sherrod and the farmer and his wife -- will be on Oprah together this week refuting the story.

It's gonna be hard to stick to Plan A.


Posted by: ace at July 21, 2010 02:23 AM (KUUXH)

1116 Gee, you'd think that Denver would
be easy to land in, 'cause you don't have to make the plane go down as
much to reach ground.


Posted by: stuiec
at July 21, 2010 02:19 AM (W+GYq)
It's the fact that they sited the airport in an area with a lot of high winds.Thus the irony.

Posted by: Merovign, noted expert on wind at July 21, 2010 02:24 AM (bxiXv)

1117 That's the real hard thing -- Sherrod and her two buddies on every morning show talking up their friendship and how they were misrepresented by the Tea Party.

Posted by: ace at July 21, 2010 02:25 AM (KUUXH)

1118 BTW-she says the White House ordered her to resign. The White House and Vilsack say no.I
believe her but you must believe the administration since you don't
find her credible. Or do you just believe the stuff she says that works
for you and disregard the rest?

I don't care why she left, but hey, you got that brave conservative schtick down good. Standing up against all us ruffians who haven't memorized every second of the 40 minute tape. You're my hero Drew.

Posted by: koopy at July 21, 2010 02:25 AM (awinc)

1119 Gee, you'd think that Denver would be easy to land in, 'cause you don't have to make the plane go down as much to reach ground.

The problem is having enough air to provide the amount of lift/drag to control a landing. The engines have to work harder to suck in air. Takeoffs are harder too, as you need longer runways because you have much thinner air, and you need more time to rotate and lift.

More fuel in the tanks means it takes longer to bring the plane to a stop, in addition to not having as much air for drag.

Those are problems enough when you don't have an emergency.

Posted by: cheshirecat at July 21, 2010 02:26 AM (kHbWt)

1120 Well, it's 2:30 and, having pissed off everybody who's worth pissing off, I should call it a night.

Later, you 'uns.

Posted by: Herr Morgenholz at July 21, 2010 02:27 AM (Sm4jN)

1121 I think a statement that gets you ass fired by the White House within a
matter of hours is most definitely against your interest.

Oh, and i'm sure she thought an anecdotal story she told at a small NAACP meeting would find it's way into the national media. She's almost as brave as you are for putting herself at such risk.

Posted by: koopy at July 21, 2010 02:28 AM (awinc)

1122 But I tell you what, all three -- Sherrod and the farmer and his wife -- will be on Oprah together this week refuting the story.

Substitute the following

on Oprah===at the White House
refuting the story===beer summit.

Posted by: cheshirecat at July 21, 2010 02:28 AM (kHbWt)

1123 But I tell you what, all three -- Sherrod and the
farmer and his wife -- will be on Oprah together this week refuting the
story.





It's gonna be hard to stick to Plan A.




Posted by: ace at July 21, 2010 02:23 AM (KUUXH)

Scenario - Beck meets with Sherrod. Beck meets with AB. AB, Beck, Sherrod show up on Oprah, Breitbart plays the "I was played with an incomplete video" card and apologizes to Sherrod. Beck plays the reconciler. Sherrod continues to blame the NAACP.

Probably won't happen, at least not in that forum, but this could still unfold in unexpected ways.
On the other hand, maybe the MFM goes into "Do Not Cover" mode and AB keeps up the drip, drip, with more substantial examples.The Wright one is kind of weak, too, I wonder because I've seen worse. It has to be the "start slow" thing.

Posted by: Merovign, noted expert on wind at July 21, 2010 02:31 AM (bxiXv)

1124 I guess I agree with some who say there's no reason to flagellate ourselves or Breitbart, and I guess i agree.
Are you kidding? This thread made me flagellate my dick like it owed me repentence.

Posted by: Observer at July 21, 2010 02:32 AM (z6Ex1)

1125 "Scenario - Beck meets with Sherrod. Beck meets with AB. AB, Beck,
Sherrod show up on Oprah, Breitbart plays the "I was played with an
incomplete video" card and apologizes to Sherrod. Beck plays the
reconciler. Sherrod continues to blame the NAACP."

I don't think Breitbart is going to apologize, nor do I think that he or anyone else involved with the video has anything to apologize for. If he was feeling contrite he wouldn't be posting more damning clips from the video.

Posted by: the peanut gallery at July 21, 2010 02:34 AM (NurK6)

1126 the OONT guys were lamenting the fact we got scoreboard on post count.....

we should have one of these "pre-beer-summits" a month just to keep the bad blood out.

Posted by: sven10077 at July 21, 2010 02:34 AM (kq1lG)

1127 Breitbart has two more Sherrod clips up - I may now be in the "overplaying" camp.

Probably variety is better than repetition at this point. We'll see, he's certainly more of an expert than I am.

Posted by: Merovign, Strong on His Mountain at July 21, 2010 02:35 AM (bxiXv)

1128 I don't think Breitbart is going to apologize, nor
do I think that he or anyone else involved with the video has anything
to apologize for. If he was feeling contrite he wouldn't be posting
more damning clips from the video.

Posted by: the peanut gallery at July 21, 2010 02:34 AM (NurK6)
He certainly doesn't have to apologize, I was just thinking tactically.Sometimes you do something JUST to get people's heads to explode - like Beck, Breitbart, Sherrod and Oprah teaming up against the NAACP and Obama admin officials.Mind you, I think *Oprah* is the least likely one to play that part, but it's an unlikely scenario anyway.

Posted by: Merovign, Matchmaker from Hell at July 21, 2010 02:37 AM (bxiXv)

1129 @969: "Speaking "in character didn't work for Mark Fuhrman, did it?"
And reports from dozens of black families that he'd helped, who said no way he was a racist didn't save him, either. Hell, the DAs didn't even try to introduce it to rehabilitate him.

Posted by: Fa Cube Itches at July 21, 2010 02:39 AM (4TzSk)

1130 having pissed off everybody who's worth pissing off, I should call it a night.

*feeling left out, and therefore pissed off, meaning that Herr has indeed achieved his objective*

Posted by: Filly at July 21, 2010 02:40 AM (4EjRJ)

1131 These things gotta happen every five years or so, ten years. Helps to get rid of the bad blood.

Unfortunately, they seem to be happening once every two weeks now.

Posted by: Pete Clemenza at July 21, 2010 02:51 AM (vJ5Pc)

1132 the OONT guys were lamenting the fact we got scoreboard on post
count.....

They were in total shock when they found out they could be out-tarded.

Posted by: Ed Anger at July 21, 2010 02:52 AM (7+pP9)

1133 Wow. Great thread guys. I enjoyed that. You would never see it on a lefty site with all their sing the same song crap.

The thing that interests me most is she was doing something to the white farmer working for the govt or NGO in which she would later sue the federal govt she says did to her.

I would love access to her files as a govt employee to see the data on exactly who she helped and who she didn't.

Posted by: Guy Fawkes at July 21, 2010 02:53 AM (JSghx)

1134 65

@54

Agree. When Georgia hits national news, I always say, "Uh-oh... we're in national news."

Cuz it's always bad news. Chaps me to no end.

Posted by: Dr. Varno at July 20, 2010 06:53 PM (3fiIy)


Try living in Florida.

Posted by: Mandy P. at July 21, 2010 02:53 AM (MK6Kx)

1135 1137 Ed Anger,
well it is pretty shocking....I did my part

Posted by: sven10077 at July 21, 2010 02:58 AM (kq1lG)

1136 My first impulse was either there is more to this and it will slowly come out and breitbart will not have been played or breitbart blindly trusted someone (a woman would never do this) and may have gotten burned. But time will tell.

Posted by: curious at July 21, 2010 02:58 AM (p302b)

1137 I had to put my snarky "a woman would never do this comment" and no sooner had I sent it that I thought of an instance where a woman I respect did get played.....remember when sarah palin trusted mccain and her handlers and they sent her into the lion's den with katty core ick? Yep a woman did blindly trust and got played. So, scratch the snarky comment, please.

Posted by: curious at July 21, 2010 03:01 AM (p302b)

1138 ...a woman would never do this...

Posted by: curious at July 21, 2010 02:58 AM

Well...unless Oprah says so. That's different.

Posted by: Women across America at July 21, 2010 03:02 AM (wDhX2)

1139 "1113
Curious, I have some inside info on that aircraft incident (which is
being treated as an aircraft accident, btw)... can't go into too much
detail, but they were skirting the edge of some thunderstorms when they
encountered the turbulence. Apparently, the injuries were impressive
enough that they got their butts on the ground quickly. There aren't too
many airfields out there that could take them anyway.


Posted by: tmi3rd at July 21, 2010 02:18 AM (WRtsc)"Just heard the abc news report again. They added the bad weather to the story.they also reported on this and will jake tapper it was remarkably balanced even if they slightly vilified the conservative website...but then tapper balanced it with the "typing a resignation letter in her blackberry" cause Vilsak's says his department has a "zero tolerance policy" and then the close, and the incident happened 24 years ago.

Posted by: curious at July 21, 2010 03:05 AM (p302b)

1140 "1143
...a woman would never do this...

Posted by: curious at July 21, 2010 02:58 AM

Well...unless
Oprah says so. That's different.


Posted by: Women across America at July 21, 2010 03:02 AM (wDhX2)"That may have been true at one time but she has lost her mojo and her ratings are down big time. We women are unforgiving, maybe there is a connection between Oprah becoming highly political and her audience dwindling or it could just be that everyone now has to be out there working just in case one spouse loses their job you hope the other spouse keeps theirs, so everything is way more seriosu now and there is no time for the wasting of a frivolous hour when you can watch glee instead.

Posted by: curious at July 21, 2010 03:08 AM (p302b)

1141 Posted by: curious at July 21, 2010 03:08 AM

Yeah, way to spoil my snark. You are, of course, 100% correct. I just couldn't help it given the number of times I have seen normally level-headed conservative ladies totally lose their ever-loving minds if it involved Oprah.

Posted by: jcjimi at July 21, 2010 03:12 AM (wDhX2)

1142 "After Outcry From Its Members, NAACP Decides It Was "Snookered"Beck Defends; Krauthammer Defends; So, Tentatively, Do I"
For what it's worth, if one doesn't know the story, it is hard to tell from this headline /which/ side Beck and Krauthammer and you defend.

Posted by: Phil at July 21, 2010 03:23 AM (cBaCB)

1143 At the moment we can only go on what we have from the parties involved.
Agreed.

You're
submitting theories that have no factual basis at the moment and in
fact contradict what the people involved are saying.
Then my theories should easily be disproved by pointing to facts. But you can't because there are so few facts. The contradictory nature of my theories does nothing to support her assertions on a factual basis. That's like saying a suspect is innocent because he denied doing the deed.

Did you
watch the vid of the couple? They don't strike me as well coached media
pros. This took them by surprise so I tend to believe this is their
honest reaction.
Not sure why you mention this as I never accused them of lying or holding back. In fact, I have said they have no reason to lie and that they might easily fully believe what they are saying is fact. I addressed the issue of whether their assessments were based on incomplete knowledge. Isn't it possible that they are honest and truthful but might be factually incorrect? In fact, I say it is not only possible that they didn't know all the services were available to them, it is far more likely they didn't.

I'm willing to adjust my thoughts if evidence
emerges but I'm not going to credit wild speculation over the testimony
of the parties invovled.

Wild speculation? The alternative explanations I have offered are just as likely to have occurred based on the facts at hand. And I am not asking that my speculations be credited as fact. I am pointing out that the small pool of known facts in no way disprove other explanations that are less flattering to Sherrod and are quite possible given that she was an admitted racist at the time. They become "wild" only if you accept her statements as factual. I don't, but that doesn't mean I believe she is lying.

I don't know if she is lying or telling the God's honest, but I don't owe her the benefit of anything.

Posted by: Miss Fluffy McNutter at July 21, 2010 03:27 AM (xMSXs)

1144 "I find it amazing that all of you who are so convinced that she screwed this white couple out of some service are not in the least bit concerned with the fact that said white couple don't agree with you.Their defending her to Nth degree today simply doesn't factor into your evaluation. It's simply not important because you know better or something."
Well fuck, I guess I'm in the clear then.

Posted by: Roman Polanski at July 21, 2010 03:29 AM (fLHQe)

1145 "and btw, if you're creeped out that in one day the WH can fire an employee of the executive branch based upon a videotape, then you need to brush up on your organizational chart of the executive branch."
I'd like to weigh in on that...

Posted by: General Staley McChrystal at July 21, 2010 03:32 AM (fLHQe)

1146 1139
65

Agree. When Georgia hits national news, I always
say, "Uh-oh... we're in national news."

Cuz it's always bad news.
Chaps me to no end.

Posted by: Dr. Varno at July 20, 2010 06:53
PM (3fiIy)

Try living in Florida.


Posted by: Mandy P. at July 21, 2010 02:53 AM (MK6Kx)
Let's skip South Carolina and head straight to California.

Posted by: Merovign, From the Land of the Boned at July 21, 2010 03:40 AM (bxiXv)

1147 1122 That's the real hard thing -- Sherrod and her two buddies on every morning show talking up their friendship and how they were misrepresented by the Tea Party.
Posted by: ace at July 21, 2010 02:25 AM (KUUXH)
I bet if we tried, would could dig up a bunch of farmers that were completely screwed over too, and I bet that have long and vivid memories of the experience.

Posted by: Jim in San Diego at July 21, 2010 03:46 AM (oIp16)

1148 Is this the same Ace who thought the union thugs needed a few teeth loosened, well the NAACP got its teeth loosened by Andrew Breitbart!

I am one of those Tea Party members that don't exist according to the NAACP. I am of mixed race and have yet to be lynched at any of the Tea Party rallies I have attended. I am shocked to still be alive and offered drinks by the obvious white devil grandmothers with their racist signs saying Limited Government. According to Chris Matthews, Lib Media and NAACP that is code for go pick some cotton negroes and get your ass to the back of the bus!

I am sorry, I know you bloggers have ethics concerns, but AB loosened a few teeth of the people who smeared some of the nicest decent political activists I have ever met!

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Posted by: christianhotsale at July 21, 2010 04:28 AM (zxObz)

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November will be hell on earth.

Posted by: Richard at July 21, 2010 05:00 AM (0AvEA)

1151 "Is this the same Ace who thought the union thugs needed a few teeth
loosened"

Yeah, this is the same Ace who will defend to the death any non-white who openly espouses racial bias, but will rabidly attack any white person who observes that mass immigration harms the interests of of America's European founding stock. The bottom line is pretty clear: those who have built the USA into a global superpower are scum, and those who want to reduce it into yet another Latin American third world shithole are beyond reproach.

Posted by: the peanut gallery at July 21, 2010 05:33 AM (NurK6)

1152 NBC just ran a segment on this and they didn't show the entire 40 minute tape. I'm sure Ace and Drew will be along shortly to lecture them on how they have no basis to talk about this since they didn't commit every utterance of Sherrods to memory and write a thesis on her facial expressions.

Posted by: koopy at July 21, 2010 06:03 AM (awinc)

1153 "NBC just ran a segment on this and they didn't show the entire 40 minute
tape."

Yeah, "surprisingly" most people don't want to watch a 40 minute video to explain why they were wrong to judge this woman on her admission of racial bias. Let's blame Americans' short attention spans (regardless of their careers and kids) for not validating Ace and DrewM's beliefs that this would be an apocalypse for Andrew Breitbart.

Posted by: the peanut gallery at July 21, 2010 06:22 AM (NurK6)

1154 Apart from the issues around what she said and the audience's reaction, I would like to see a lot more tapes of government officials in charge of huge budgets. I think we should see who is bossing us around.

Posted by: qrstuv at July 21, 2010 08:40 AM (RxBXU)

1155 Wow, I got Ace to call me stupid for calling some guy gutless. Too bad he went nuclear on some people. Now it seems rather bland. And 1150+ posts! That's what I get get for leaving to watch Deadliest Warrior.

Anyway, it seems many on here, included several in the AoS crew, are genuinely upset that they jumped the gun in believing Andrew Brietbart and the shortened video. The problem is now they seem to be jumping the gun in the other direction. If the recent past is any indication AB will take his time. And only release new stuff when people are foaming at the mouth. The problem here is that those foaming people are all supposed to be on the left. A lot of people seem comfortable launching friendly fire.

There are lots of problems with this. #1 Sherrod IS a racist. A 40 minute speech where you talk about past racist actions and refer to white people as "own kind" illustrates this. And prioritizing class warfare over racism doesn't make you less racist, just more of a socialist. Too many people are jumping on the leftist meme pulled straight from Journolist #2 that Sherrod is a redemption miracle. Bullshit. There is no proof in the video that Sherrod renounced racism. Only that her leftist agenda was far more important. If a Klansman decides monster truck shows are more important than lynching that doesn't make him less racist. Problem #2 is that Brietbart probably has even more damning evidence. So it's foolish to jump from one side of the fence to other continuously. You're dancing to another man's tune. Probelm #3 is the most important. The NAACP, which had smeared the Tea Party as racist, seems delighted that Sherrod is screwing whitey out of his farm. So even without any new videos or evidence the NAACP is shown to be racist. MISSION ACCOMPLISHED. That they were able to spin so quickly and so many on the right immediately accepted that spin is alarming. Is it fear of being labeled a racist? For looking foolish? Who knows. How about we all wait and see without worrying about whether Breitbart was duped or whatever. At the end of the day a racist official was forced to quit by a racist President. And the weariness of the public over the post-racial Prez being so RACIAL will only grow. November looks good.

Sorry for the wall-o-text.

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Posted by: ers at July 21, 2010 09:31 AM (Iyxeo)

1157 I'm sorrybut the language she used to describe the farmer was racist and I cannot imagine why she needed to say those things to tell the story ...
She could have said "I didn't help a white farmer because he was white, realized I was being a racist and made ammends and helped him."
Imagine Robert Byrd describing his past "I used to hate the (n word) but have since realized my mistake and have made ammends."
Anyone who is still comfortable recounting a story using language like she did still has some soul searching to do ...

Posted by: Jeff at July 21, 2010 10:33 AM (A3tpD)

1158 If Shirley Sherrod were white, "context" wouldn't matter.

Posted by: Dirk Diggler at July 21, 2010 10:53 AM (lE7cq)

1159 If Spooner is the same white farmer in the story, then there may be a case that she had a change of heart and repented. But it sure doesn't sound like it from her recounting of the story, so we'll see.

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1161 Posted by: koopy at July 21, 2010 06:03 AM (awinc)

Someone watched the whole thing to put that package together.

The pride you have in not availing yourself of the opportunity to know what the fuck you are talking about is pathetic.

Posted by: DrewM. at July 21, 2010 12:27 PM (X/Lqh)

1162 I am sorry, I know you bloggers have ethics concerns, but AB loosened a
few teeth of the people who smeared some of the nicest decent political
activists I have ever met!
Posted by: Africanus at July 21, 2010 04:19 AM (hs1q/)

I think the idea is to loosen a few teeth of people actually engaged in violence against tea party folks, not random Democrats.


Posted by: DrewM. at July 21, 2010 12:31 PM (X/Lqh)

1163 "I think the idea is to loosen a few teeth of people actually engaged in
violence against tea party folks, not random Democrats."

Drew, the people at the Tea Party are mainly a bunch of inexperienced middle class activists. They aren't the physical types, though that youtube clip of wheel chair machine gun grandma could prove me wrong. We will most likely end up taking more camera slapping and beatings from well organized Union Thugs. If they do retaliate, please let us know if the MSM provides the full context, lol!

100% WHITE TEA PARTY ACTIVISTS ATTACK NURSE ![rep]

Sherrod wasn't a random Democrat, she believes the Tea Party activists are only protesting the policies of Barak Obama because he is black. She is perpetrating a lie that people like myself are trying to counter in the black community. You, Ace and other bloggers criticize Barak Obama's policies, are you racist too, just like those Tea Partiers? She is not innocent or random, she's part of the problem!

Posted by: Africanus at July 21, 2010 01:10 PM (hs1q/)

1164 Sherrod wasn't a random Democrat, she believes the Tea Party activists
are only protesting the policies of Barak Obama because he is black.
Posted by: Africanus at July 21, 2010 01:10 PM (hs1q/)

But that's a view just about every pro-Obama Democrat holds.

It's wrong, it's disgusting, it needs to be fought but it's not evidence of her being a racist.

I simply don't think because someone is a political opponent it gives us license to throw out truth and our brains. If I wanted to do that, I'd be a liberal.

Posted by: DrewM. at July 21, 2010 01:22 PM (X/Lqh)

1165 Now they know how it feels to be unjustly accused by the likes of Al Sharpton and tried and convicted in the MSM. It's time to get off the racist nonsense that groups like the NAACP make their living off of.

Posted by: TrickyDick at July 21, 2010 01:36 PM (bVka+)

1166 The pride you have in not availing yourself of the opportunity to know what the fuck you are talking about is pathetic.

Fuck you, you sanctiminous piece of shit. Your insistence that people analyze every second of the tape or they have no right to speak on the matter is the same disingenuous bullshit you always pull in your never ending attempt to show how much better you are than the commentors here. You're nothing but a little Lindsey Graham wanna be, a smug cocksucker who looks forward to threads where he can belittle the people who post here. Go fuck yourself, and don't forget to suck Lindseys dick like the little bitch you are.

Posted by: koopy at July 21, 2010 02:25 PM (awinc)

1167 Someone watched the whole thing to put that package together.

And feel free to show proof that someone watched the whole thing asswipe.

Posted by: koopy at July 21, 2010 02:29 PM (awinc)

1168 Drew, she isn't racist for perpetuating a lie based on race? I am not going to equate her with the Klan, but you little boys better put on your big boy pants on. The truth is right there on tape for anyone to see, she discriminates against a white farmer while she is in a position of power and realizes it's not about race, it's about class warfare, true redemption!

She replaces one demon with another, sorry the full tape doesn't help her case at all.

No reasonable person is asking you, Ace or any of the bloggers here to compromise your principles. I wouldn't support or defend any of you if you did. I just think many of you are over anxious in this battle we are engaged in, face your enemy!















Posted by: Africanus at July 21, 2010 02:38 PM (hs1q/)

1169 Sherrod spends the last half of the video race baiting the audience into believing that the opposition by republicans to healthcare and other programs is solely based on race, yet Drew and Ace say the story on the video is about how Sherrod changed her ways.......really? I guess that's the same kind of "change" Obama believes in.

Posted by: the professor at July 21, 2010 02:46 PM (yTIlT)

1170 If I stood up in public and told the same kind of story, I'd be unemployed before I got off the stage. She should be fired and stay fired.

Posted by: Penultimatum at July 21, 2010 04:27 PM (aAIb3)

1171 Fuck all of you, I read this whole thing and I want the last hour of my life back.

Posted by: SGT Dan at July 21, 2010 05:02 PM (GgXZc)

1172 Drew, she isn't racist for perpetuating a lie based on race?
Posted by: Africanus at July 21, 2010 02:38 PM (hs1q/)


Are whites who think conservatives are racist for opposing Obama racist against their fellow whites?

I think Olbermann, a bunch of white liberal Dems I know personally and Sherrod are wrong for equating opposition to Obama with racism. At the same time I don't think that one data point is proof that they are racist against whites.

The truth is right there on tape for anyone to see, she discriminates
against a white farmer while she is in a position of power and realizes
it's not about race, it's about class warfare, true redemption!

The plain words of the full speech simply don't support that and neither does the testimony of the couple involved.

She admits her first reaction to dealing with the guy was to not offer him everything she could. She later in the relationship did do everything she could (again the white couple say this was the case). You are saying she (and everyone else) is an irredeemable racist based on an initial reaction.

I can't accept that standard.

She replaces one demon with another, sorry the full tape doesn't help her case at all.

I'm not in favor of class warfare but let's be honest, in modern America racism is a much greater sin than socialism.

Posted by: NY Money Men Who Also Frame Innocent Muslims With Terrorism at July 21, 2010 06:19 PM (X/Lqh)

1173 1178 was me.

Posted by: DrewM. at July 21, 2010 06:20 PM (X/Lqh)

1174 Fuck you, you sanctiminous piece of shit. Your insistence that people
analyze every second of the tape or they have no right to speak on the
matter is the same disingenuous bullshit you always pull in your never
ending attempt to show how much better you are than the commentors here.
You're nothing but a little Lindsey Graham wanna be, a smug cocksucker
who looks forward to threads where he can belittle the people who post
here. Go fuck yourself, and don't forget to suck Lindseys dick like the
little bitch you are.
Posted by: koopy at July 21, 2010 02:25 PM (awinc)


A couple of things...

-I'm laughing at you, not with you.

-You certainly have a right to speak on the matter without having watched the tape. I also have the right to not take you seriously. I exercise that right.

-If I had set out to write a comment to discredit you, I couldn't have done a better job than what you wrote above. Thank you.

Posted by: DrewM. at July 21, 2010 06:23 PM (X/Lqh)

1175 A couple of things...-I'm laughing at you, not with you.

Yeah, that's what i thought, more sanctiminous bullshit from lil' drew. Let's be honest shall we? What's going on here is you don't have the balls to pursue this so your inner Lindsey kicks in and you latch on to this bullshit argument about watching every second of the tape and analysing it like the anal retentive fuckwit you are. It serves two purposes, it lets you look down your nose at the people who post here and diverts attention from your cowardice. You know full well no one needs to watch the entire tape to get the gist of it, just like you didn't know someone actually watched the entire tape at NBC. You have a general idea of how tv stations work and based your conclusion on that, just like someone skimming through the 40 minute tape and getting the general idea of it and basing their conclusions on it. You're just an arrogant, condescending asshole and since you like to read every word from begining to end, i'll repeat, go fuck yourself. And seriously, please think about becoming a dem, voting for the same party as a worthless coward like you is really pretty nauseating.

Posted by: koopy at July 21, 2010 07:36 PM (awinc)

1176 Here you go drew boy, a post from your fellow squish allahpundit, the first sentence -

Its a long clip but the first few minutes will give you the flavor.

I'm looking forward to you going over to HA and lecturing allah about telling his readers there's no need to watch the whole thing.

Posted by: koopy at July 21, 2010 08:24 PM (awinc)

1177 Posted by: koopy at July 21, 2010 07:36 PM (awinc)

I'm not sure where your personal inferiority issues come from but don't blame them on me.

I try to debate people at the same level they engage with me at. Sometimes I have greater success at that than others. Note the difference in tone between you and I and Africanus and I.

You jumped in here, had basic facts wrong about the tape and then say you didn't bother watch it. My interest in your opinion and what you had to say about became negligible at best. The reason isn't because I feel superior to you as a person but if you aren't willing to put the minimum effort into knowing what's going on don't be surprised when you aren't taken seriously.

As for the idea I'm a Lindsay Graham wannabe, it's too funny.

Something to consider...you're all worked up over Sherrrod's alleged racism but you are pretty quick to toss around a bunch of gay slurs. Might want to take a moment to think about that.

Again, hard to take you seriously.

As far as I can tell you value emotional response as a measure of credibility. I don't. I'm a conservative. I value truth, thoughtfulness, intellectual integrity and accuracy.

Anger has its place but if you want nutroots-like fighty! Fighty! FIGHTY! anger every day, all day, I'm not the blogger for you. Fortunately, I'm just a bit player here.

Posted by: DrewM. at July 21, 2010 08:31 PM (X/Lqh)

1178 You jumped in here, had basic facts wrong about the tape and then say you didn't bother watch it.

No, i said i didn't bother to watch the whole thing, there's a difference you're obviously not capable of grasping. But we can agree that you're not the blogger for me, you're a dishonest, cowardly hack. Have fun lecturing Allahpundit.

Posted by: koopy at July 21, 2010 08:40 PM (awinc)

1179 Posted by: koopy at July 21, 2010 08:40 PM (awinc)

Here's what you said at 725 (the first comment of yours I saw)

So, just to make sure i understand, this woman admits to, at the very
least, intending to use her power as a government official to deny
someone aid based solely on the fact that person was white.

See the part where you say, "intending to use her power as a government official to deny
someone aid based solely on the fact that person was white." that's WRONG.

So, add wrong to 'didn't bother to watch' and that's me being sanctimonious.


Posted by: DrewM. at July 21, 2010 09:00 PM (X/Lqh)

1180 koopy you keep saying I'm a coward.

In what way?

Do you think being wrong and uninformed is courageous?

Posted by: DrewM. at July 21, 2010 09:02 PM (X/Lqh)

1181 See the part where you say, "intending to use her power as a government official to deny
someone aid based solely on the fact that person was white." that's WRONG.

So, add wrong to 'didn't bother to watch' and that's me being sanctimonious.


Yeah it is, and where did i get that bit of information? I got it from the tape, you know, by watching it. Have you let Allah know how displeased you are with his insistence people can get the gist of a video without watching the whole thing yet? No? Oh, that's right, you're a dishonest coward.

Posted by: koopy at July 21, 2010 09:05 PM (awinc)

1182 1186
koopy you keep saying I'm a coward.In what way?

Time and time again when a situation like this comes up, you'll take the "let's give up" option. To be fair, you're not the only one, but why don't you read the comments here and elsewhere and see how tired people of are the Ed Morisey way of doing things. You mock it as fight, fight, fight when most people who comment see it as pursuing a legitimate matter. They're right, you're wrong.

Posted by: koopy at July 21, 2010 09:09 PM (awinc)

1183 Posted by: koopy at July 21, 2010 09:05 PM (awinc)

No you didn't get that idea from the full video because she never said this happened while working for the federal government. Why did she say that? It wasn't the case.

You got it from the text opening of the edited version and it was wrong.

Don't hide behind Allah, just deal with your own opinion.


Posted by: DrewM. at July 21, 2010 09:17 PM (X/Lqh)

1184 Time and time again when a situation like this comes up, you'll take the "let's give up" option.

I didn't suggest giving up. I said pretty clearly here and on Twitter that something very wrong was done here. It's not cowardice to say "this is wrong. Stop. Start to make it right". That's called honesty, a value I was under the impression conservatives supported.

BTW- You know who just said Sherrod's speech was "amazing" and "lovely"? Ann Coulter. Is she a cowardly, Lindsay Graham wannabe too?

And what's up with the gay attacks? Racism bad but gay baiting is what? Courageous?

(FTR-I'm not the gay one)

Posted by: DrewM. at July 21, 2010 09:20 PM (X/Lqh)

1185 but why don't you read the comments here and elsewhere and see how tired
people of are the Ed Morisey way of doing things. You mock it as fight,
fight, fight when most people who comment see it as pursuing a
legitimate matter. They're right, you're wrong.

So to your mind, courage is giving into the majority despite what you yourself believe to be right?

I'll pass.

Posted by: DrewM. at July 21, 2010 09:36 PM (X/Lqh)

1186 You got it from the text opening of the edited version and it was wrong.

Yeah, i said i got it from watching the tape, not the full tape, i didn't realize i had to spell things out in such detailed form for you to be able to understand.

Don't hide behind Allah, just deal with your own opinion.

You're the one hiding and trying to change the subject. You've spent the better part of this thread lecturing people on the importance of watching the whole tape and along comes Allahpundit saying exactly what i've been saying, that you don't have to watch the whole thing to get the gist of it. So go on over there and leave condescending comments for him like you have the people who post here, i'm looking forward to reading them.

Posted by: koopy at July 21, 2010 09:47 PM (awinc)

1187 Are whites who think conservatives are racist for opposing Obama racist
against their fellow whites?
I think Olbermann, a bunch of white liberal Dems I
know personally and Sherrod are wrong for equating opposition to Obama
with racism. At the same time I don't think that one data point is proof
that they are racist against whites.

You sir, really obviously don't know them very well at all. They think black people are like disadvantaged children who they need to taken care of because whitey is evil. Are they racist, yes, they are. Let a black man stand before them as a conservative and they will send their favorite hit men out to attack, note NAACP.

The attacker must be of the same race ofcourse and direct the wayward Uncle Toms back to the liberal plantation where they belong. All blacks must think alike or they are traitors to their race, just ask Clarence Thomas and Condie about that.

Second, please just look at how the media in general portrays black people and ask yourself, do they really have their best interests in mind.

The
plain words of the full speech simply don't support that and neither
does the testimony of the couple involved.
She admits her first
reaction to dealing with the guy was to not offer him everything she
could. She later in the relationship did do everything she could (again
the white couple say this was the case). You are saying she (and
everyone else) is an irredeemable racist based on an initial reaction.

I
can't accept that standard.

I didn't say she was an irredeemable racist. I said she was a racist and committed a racist act. Secondly, I said she replaced one demon with another.
You can't rewrite my words and then say you can't accept my standard.

That sweet old lady is now running around stating that Fox is trying to make it so black people have to look down again! See what I meant when I said she isn't innocent, she is part of the problem.

I'm not in favor of class warfare but let's
be honest, in modern America racism is a much greater sin than
socialism.



Posted by: NY Money Men Who Also Frame Innocent Muslims With Terrorism
at July 21,
You are wrong, racism and class warfare can be equally as dangerous to an individuals' life, liberty and freedom.





Posted by: Africanus at July 22, 2010 02:17 AM (hs1q/)

1188 The white guy tricked us. (NAACP).. He spoke in english without Ebonics..He be "confusing da Black man" By showing pictures of His "Own" Who do not want to "kill Whitey".... A concept the NAACP cannot grasp in great Numbers

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