Administrative Court Upholds Yucca Mountain; Obama's End Run Around Congress Foiled For Now

Months ago, I highlighted President Obama's tendency to grab power by ignoring Congress' wishes and expanding the scope of executive branch duties. For example, he can't get net neutrality through Congress, but he can through FCC rulemaking now that his appointees are on the commission (the court case on this a few months ago was only about agency rulings, not rulemaking). He can't get cap & tax through Congress, so his EPA is going to issue its own rules on carbon emissions. He can't get gay rights bills past Congress, so the Labor Department is issuing new rules for businesses.

In March, Obama's Secretary of Energy Steven Chu (Nobel Prize winner) sought to withdraw the DOE's long-standing 8,600 page application to store nuclear waste at Yucca Mountain. If accepted by the Nuclear Regulatory Commission, this would set the nuclear waste project back at square one. Actually, it would be worse than square one because DOE wants to withdraw the application "with prejudice", which means it can never be re-filed. Yucca Mountain would no longer be an option for nuclear waste storage.

Briefly, the facts on Yucca Mountain. Congress designated it the national nuclear waste storage site in 1987. The original deadline for accepting waste was 1998. The current deadline for accepting waste is 2017. $10 billion has been spent on the project so far, and $32 billion has been collected from nuclear utilities surcharges levied to pay for the project.

Congress has been steadfast that this project go forward. So when Obama's DOE moved to end it, some states and nuclear utilities groups filed papers to intervene. The judges could not have been more clear (PDF):

[W]e deny DOEs motion to withdraw the Application. We do so because the Nuclear Waste Policy Act of 1982, as amended (NWPA), does not permit the Secretary to withdraw the Application that the NWPA mandates the Secretary file. Specifically, the NWPA does not give the Secretary the discretion to substitute his policy for the one established by Congress in the NWPA that, at this point, mandates progress toward a merits decision by the Nuclear Regulatory Commission on the construction permit.

[...]

In moving to withdraw the Application with prejudice, DOE makes clear that the Secretarys judgment here is not that Yucca Mountain is unsafe or that there are flaws in the [Application], but rather that it is not a workable option and that alternatives will better serve the public interest. DOE also acknowledges, however, that it cannot withdraw the Application if that would be contrary to the statutes passed by Congress.

For the reasons explained below, we conclude that Congress directed both that DOE file the Application (as DOE concedes) and that the NRC consider the Application and issue a final, merits-based decision approving or disapproving the construction authorization application. Unless Congress directs otherwise, DOE may not single-handedly derail the legislated decisionmaking process by withdrawing the Application. DOEs motion must therefore be denied.

The Obama Administration has already appealed the decision to the full Nuclear Regulatory Commission and they set an expedited briefing schedule.

BTW, the Nuclear Regulatory Commission has perhaps the worst website ever. I poked around forever, but couldn't find this ruling. Fortunately, the Las Vegas Sun had it.

Posted by: Gabriel Malor at 02:55 PM



Comments

1 I got nuffin

Posted by: Harry Reid at July 06, 2010 02:57 PM (BP6Z1)

2 HAHAHAAHAHHAHAHAHAHA

(deep breath)

HAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Posted by: F*ck You, Obama at July 06, 2010 03:00 PM (gmjCg)

3 We're gonna drag Obama and his goons into the nuclear era whether they like it or not! (Really, why haven't we been building new reactors as fast as safely possible?)

Posted by: joncelli at July 06, 2010 03:00 PM (RD7QR)

4 I poked around forever, but couldn't find this ruling. Feature, not bug.

Posted by: Jean at July 06, 2010 03:01 PM (kn5uV)

5 I poked around forever,

That's what she said.

Posted by: Michael Scott at July 06, 2010 03:02 PM (gmjCg)

6 and Harry Reid -- thou art impotent. 60 vote majority, both houses -- still couldn't get it done.

Posted by: Jean at July 06, 2010 03:02 PM (Rk8m7)

7 Don't you mean the reach around?

Posted by: ziptie at July 06, 2010 03:03 PM (ljAGw)

8 A government website is less than functional and hard to use? The devil you say!

Posted by: Truman North at July 06, 2010 03:03 PM (e8YaH)

9 Eh! It's only money...
and the future of cheap energy...
until they come up with something that is actually a viable substitute for hydrocarbons.
'sno thang.

Posted by: Hussein the Plumber at July 06, 2010 03:03 PM (RkRxq)

10 Steven Chu (Nobel Prize winner)

Has a nice ring to it ....... I like .

Posted by: Bill D. Cat ( Nobel Prize winner ) at July 06, 2010 03:03 PM (NuAIL)

11 The most interesting part of this whole thing is that Obama/Chu/Reid didn't try to (because they couldn't) stop Yucca for any reason other than they made campaign promises toNevada for votes.
There is no way anyone in congress is going to vote to change it other than those from Nevada.
This little maneauver was the most blatant power grab.

Posted by: dagny at July 06, 2010 03:03 PM (P8ubl)

12 Yeah, we're all broken up about it.

Posted by: Cloward-Piven at July 06, 2010 03:04 PM (jy5QA)

13
Huh..... wha ......... whaddayamean they dont HAVE to do what I tell them.

!!!!!IM THE PRESIDENT!!!!!

Posted by: Precedent Obama at July 06, 2010 03:04 PM (J5Hcw)

14 For example, he can't get net neutrality through Congress, but he can through FCC rulemaking now that his appointees are on the commission (the court case on this a few months ago was only about agency rulings, not rulemaking). He can't get cap & tax through Congress, so his EPA is going to issue its own rules on carbon emissions. He can't get gay rights bills past Congress, so the Labor Department is issuing new rules for businesses.

In other words, the fascism of liberals.

Posted by: George Orwell at July 06, 2010 03:05 PM (AZGON)

15 6 and Harry Reid -- thou art impotent. 60 vote majority, both houses -- still couldn't get it done.
Posted by: Jean at July 06, 2010 03:02 PM (Rk8m7)

No other senator is going to vote to stop Yucca. Where would they like to try next? No one (ok maybe Cynthia McKinny) is dumb enough to vote it out of another state when it could go into theirs.
On top of that there are hundreds of contracts with other states that say that the feds will help them remove their waste to Yucca. Shit, there are even agreements with Indian tribes to transfer the waste across their territory.
Obama was attempting to change federal LAW through his regulatory agents. If congress says to do something, you just can't say sorry dude, I'm the messiah.,

Posted by: dagny at July 06, 2010 03:08 PM (P8ubl)

16
until they come up with something that is actually a viable substitute
for hydrocarbons.


Hey.... I'm working on it as fast as I can......

Posted by: 13 yr old wunderkid working on cold fusion for his science project at July 06, 2010 03:09 PM (J5Hcw)

17 He will just do an end around the courts and maybe go EO or through one of the many regulatory agencies that are filled with leftards. This administration could tie this up for years.

Posted by: Truck Monkey at July 06, 2010 03:09 PM (yQWNf)

18 After all this,I'ts amazing to me why this turds approval numbers haven't sank to the bottom of the bowl yet.Can't believehow many closet comunists there are in this country.

Posted by: ziptie at July 06, 2010 03:09 PM (ljAGw)

19 The difference here is that this ALREADY WENT THROUGH CONGRESS, now he is trying to reverse a law that was already made instead of creating new ones through reguation et al.
It's like all of a sudden he decides that women can't vote (not that that's a bad idea) and trys to regulate them away from the polls. It's fed law, asshole.

Posted by: dagny at July 06, 2010 03:10 PM (P8ubl)

20 Energy Steven Chu (Nobel Prize winner)

You mean Nobel Prize Winner Steven Chu.

Posted by: ParisParamus at July 06, 2010 03:10 PM (JbetV)

21 Here's a job for NASA:

Load the nookular waste onto rockets and shoot them into space in such a way that they fly into the sun

this plan

>creates jobs
>gets rid of nookular waste
>won't even be noticed by the sun

Posted by: Jones at July 06, 2010 03:11 PM (ZH73Z)

22 Can't Lord Obama simply decree what he wants?

Posted by: kansas at July 06, 2010 03:12 PM (mka2b)

23 10 billion dollars !!!

Posted by: Denny Crane at July 06, 2010 03:13 PM (I+7Zv)

24 Here's a job for NASA:

Load the nookular waste onto rockets and shoot them into space in such a way that they fly into the sun

They can recruit "restive youths" from Parisian suburbs to be the astronauts.

Posted by: George Orwell at July 06, 2010 03:13 PM (AZGON)

25 The resistance to Obowma's Kenyan tyranny is now full on ...

Justice Kennedy is staying put.

Posted by: bill-tb at July 06, 2010 03:13 PM (y+QfZ)

26 I don't think this is Chu's fault, it's Obama/Emanuel/Reid. This is what Reid and Obama ran on. The people of Nevada were lied to.
On top of that, where is Obama's idea of storing Nuke waste? Does it want to shut down the reactors including those in the Navy?

Posted by: dagny at July 06, 2010 03:13 PM (P8ubl)

27 After all this,I'ts amazing to me why this turds approval numbers
haven't sank to the bottom of the bowl yet.

Remember us?

We're stupid.

Posted by: 52% at July 06, 2010 03:13 PM (rqC5o)

28 Here's a job for NASA:Load the nookular waste onto rockets and
shoot them into space in such a way that they fly into the sunthis
plan>creates jobs>gets rid of nookular waste>won't
even be noticed by the sun


But that does NOTHING for our PRIMARY mission...... the enhance public relations with the Muslim world.

Posted by: Charles Bolden at July 06, 2010 03:14 PM (J5Hcw)

29 Maybe you guys are too young to remember the China Syndrome. Well, we in the Obama Administration do remember and are trying to avoid such a catastrophe at Yucca Mountain.

Besides, storing all the nuclear waste in one place is a terrorist's dream: they know exactly where to go to get all the material they need for a dirty bomb.

It's much better to keep the waste at many far-flung sites to avoid a terrorist attack or worse, a nuclear disaster opening a hole to the center of the earth. Can you imagine if the heat from the center of the earth, measuring in the millions of degrees, made its way to the surface?

That's right kids, the global warming apocalypse would be on us that much faster.

Posted by: Joe Biden at July 06, 2010 03:14 PM (S+el1)

30 Really, why haven't we been building new reactors as fast as safely possible?)
Because nuclear energy is only good for the French. Just like drilling for oil is only good for Brazil. But hey maybe if the wind blows really hard one day you can power your lightbulb. Oh wait that uglies up the landscape. Better hope Obama doesn't declare candles as too strong of a carbon pollutant.

Posted by: buzzion at July 06, 2010 03:15 PM (oVQFe)

31 They can recruit "restive youths" from Parisian suburbs to be the astronauts.
They are experts in all things "fire," after all.

Posted by: ErikW at July 06, 2010 03:15 PM (jAs+i)

32 Joe, that was a Jane Fonda movie. I know you get confused.

Posted by: dagny at July 06, 2010 03:16 PM (P8ubl)

33 BTW, the Nuclear Regulatory Commission has perhaps the worst website
ever.

The most transparent Administration EVER! Maybe Incompetano just banned the good parts of it!

Posted by: dfbaskwill at July 06, 2010 03:16 PM (usjNq)

34 We're gonna drag Obama and his goons into the nuclear era whether they
like it or not!
Maybe not the way you're thinking but, yeah.


Posted by: Iran at July 06, 2010 03:18 PM (4WbTI)

35 Months ago, I
highlighted President Obama's tendency to grab power by ignoring
Congress' wishes [all law, including Constitutional restrictions, common sense, American tradition and sensibilities] and expanding the scope of executive branch duties.

FIFY.

The Precedent just does whatever the hell he wants to ... The Washington junta, the courts, and much of the right let him do it. The lunatic leftists in the Washington junta, of course, aid and abet The Precedent in his drive to destroy America.

Posted by: progressoverpeace at July 06, 2010 03:18 PM (Qp4DT)

36 Drinking with Bob already weighs in on the AZ lawsuit

Posted by: logprof at July 06, 2010 03:18 PM (BP6Z1)

37 BTW, the Nuclear Regulatory Commission
has perhaps the worst website
ever.

Security by Obscurity. They just want to make sure that its all properly top secret you know.

Posted by: Chad at July 06, 2010 03:19 PM (54Ve5)

38 I am celebrating Communists today.

Posted by: Google at July 06, 2010 03:20 PM (+sBB4)

39
For the answer to America's problem, Obama should just ask the wise and omnipotent Muslims for the final solution.

They did invent the hula hoop, Barbi, and the Internet. Kinda.

Posted by: Fish at July 06, 2010 03:20 PM (v1gw3)

40 I think you should, if you are going to mention the DOE nobel winner Chu, you should also mention that president sparklefarts is also a Nobel Peace Prize Winner!!!!1!1!!welventy

It's funny cause its' not earned.

Posted by: joeindc44 at July 06, 2010 03:23 PM (QxSug)

41 Maybe not the way you're thinking but, yeah.

Posted by: Iran at July 06, 2010 03:18 PM (4WbTI)


Anyone know where I can get SPF 10,000,000 sunblock?

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at July 06, 2010 03:23 PM (P9+0W)

42 23 10 billion dollars !!!
Posted by: Denny Crane at July 06, 2010 03:13 PM (I+7Zv)
John Ryan I dare you to stay on a thread one day for more than one of your worthless little comment turds. You couldn't post 3 times and actually respond to anything if your life depended on it. All you have is blabbing about intrade when the elections get close, andsaying rasmussen was the last to have mccain winning. Otherwise its just pathetic worthless dribble. I dare you, you worthless troll.

Posted by: buzzion at July 06, 2010 03:23 PM (oVQFe)

43 Of course if the environmental nutjobs could be reined in even a little, they would reprocess the spent fuel and kill two birds with one stone.
http://tinyurl.com/29j9fu8
The obstacle to this is obvious - it makes sense so it should be rejected out of hand.
There are other technologies for dealing with it also that include transmutation which is also considered a viable source of energy.

Posted by: Hussein the Plumber at July 06, 2010 03:24 PM (RkRxq)

44 10 billion dollars !!!


Which would have been more like 1-2 billion smakeroos if it hadn't been for the envirofascists throwing up roadblocks right and left.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at July 06, 2010 03:25 PM (P9+0W)

45 10 billion dollars !!!
Posted by: Denny Crane at July 06, 2010
03:13 PM (I+7Zv)

or 6.7 days worth of oil usage in the US.

Posted by: toby928 at July 06, 2010 03:25 PM (4WbTI)

46 36 Drinking with Bob already weighs in on the AZ lawsuit
Posted by: logprof at July 06, 2010 03:18 PM (BP6Z1)
I love the 'Drinking with Bob' videos.

Posted by: conscious, but incoherent at July 06, 2010 03:26 PM (YVZlY)

47 They did invent the hula hoop, Barbi, and the Internet. Kinda.
And headscarves. We're the world's leading manufacturer of headscarves.

Posted by: Muhammed, Ph.D. in Headscarves at July 06, 2010 03:27 PM (jAs+i)

48 Posted by: Denny Crane at July 06, 2010 03:13 PM (I+7Zv)

You ever tried running the numbers on "green" power?

Posted by: Waterhouse at July 06, 2010 03:28 PM (gmjCg)

49 Because nuclear energy is only good for the
French. Just like drilling for oil is only good for Brazil. But hey
maybe if the wind blows really hard one day you can power your
lightbulb. Oh wait that uglies up the landscape. Better hope Obama
doesn't declare candles as too strong of a carbon pollutant.

Posted by: buzzion at July 06, 2010 03:15 PM (oVQFe)
Even the Swedes are changing their minds and reconstructing their nuclear generating capacity.
updated
6/17/2010 1:11:39 PM






STOCKHOLM Swedish lawmakers have narrowly approved government
plans to replace aging nuclear plants with new ones, marking a change in
the country's policy of phasing out atomic power.


The decision was passed in a 174-172 vote in Parliament on Thursday.
Swedes voted in a 1980 referendum to gradually phase out the use of
nuclear power. But the current center-right government proposed last
year that existing atomic power stations be replaced by new ones when
they get too old.

Critics of increasing nuclear power have said that the development of
renewable alternatives will suffer, while supporters of the government
proposal argue that the referendum never specified how nuclear energy should be replaced.
Sweden has 10 nuclear reactors producing about half of the country's
electricity.

Posted by: stuiec at July 06, 2010 03:28 PM (W+GYq)

50 I think you should, if you are going to mention the DOE nobel winner Chu, you should also mention that president sparklefarts is also a Nobel Peace Prize Winner!!!!1!1!!welventy

It's all the rage these days , mine's in Morontology .

Posted by: Bill D. Cat ( Nobel Prize winner ) at July 06, 2010 03:28 PM (NuAIL)

51 Swedes voted in a 1980 referendum to gradually phase out the use of nuclear power
That was at the peak of the nuclear scare. Remember "the day after" and how Reagan was going to get us all blown up. Bet they wouldn't vote that way now.

Posted by: dagny at July 06, 2010 03:31 PM (P8ubl)

52 Heh, Google (or Bing) Muslim Scientists and Inventions. I found a top 20 list of the greatest Muslim inventions and among them are soup and carpets.

Posted by: ErikW at July 06, 2010 03:32 PM (jAs+i)

53 The rain is Spain falls mainly on my taint.

Posted by: john "Auto-Skullfucked with a Retard-stick" Ryan at July 06, 2010 03:33 PM (ZESU0)

54 Posted by: buzzion at July 06, 2010 03:15 PM (oVQFe)
Don't forget about the submersible turbines designed to harness the power of ocean currents.
What ever happened to that idea anyway?

Posted by: ErikW at July 06, 2010 03:35 PM (jAs+i)

55 Sweet , electric car(company)s are getting more affordable .

Posted by: Bill D. Cat ( Nobel Prize winner ) at July 06, 2010 03:38 PM (NuAIL)

56
Ball dippin' good news!

Posted by: Ed Anger at July 06, 2010 03:38 PM (7+pP9)

57 Zero is the constitutional scholar, and yet he thinks being precedant makes him king? feh
21 Here's a job for NASA:
Now come on, how does that make Muslims feel good?

Posted by: Randy at July 06, 2010 03:39 PM (zQKSr)

58 Phew - we dodged a bullet this time. The other sickening thing about the nuclear waste issue is the fact that the volume of said waste could be reduced through reprocessing, but that industry was killed by the muzzie-loving bastard Carter. Reagan lifted the Carter ban, but by then the damage was done and reprocessing never really came back.
As usual, government run by commies screwed things up.

Posted by: Reactionary at July 06, 2010 03:39 PM (xUM1Q)

59 Heh, Google (or Bing) Muslim Scientists and
Inventions. I found a top 20 list of the greatest Muslim inventions and
among them are soup and carpets.

Posted by: ErikW at July 06, 2010 03:32 PM (jAs+i)
Yeah ... the muzzies invented soup but they didn't invent spoons ... so the soup patent just sat around until some smart people came up with the spoon. The muzzies had been using their right hands to scoop the soup into their mouths.Did suicide belts make the list? Or, did the muzzies just steal them from someone else, like they did with everything else?

Posted by: progressoverpeace at July 06, 2010 03:40 PM (Qp4DT)

60 Justice Kennedy is staying put.

Ever read the Pelican Brief ?
Am I being paranoid? Maybe. But the more I see The One in action, the less I put past Him.

Posted by: RayJ at July 06, 2010 03:47 PM (//Bcg)

61 Did suicide belts make the list? Or, did the muzzies just steal them from someone else, like they did with everything else?



The Japanese. They were used during WWII, IIRC.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at July 06, 2010 03:47 PM (P9+0W)

62 Yeah ... the muzzies invented soup but they didn't invent spoons ... so the soup patent just sat around until some smart people came up with the spoon. The muzzies had been using their right hands to scoop the soup into their mouths.
They probably weren't smart enough to let the soup cool first either.

Posted by: ErikW at July 06, 2010 03:51 PM (jAs+i)

63 Miss me yet?

Posted by: Jimmy Carter at July 06, 2010 03:52 PM (X8Vl0)

64 I love the environmentalists fighting this. There's nothing out there! Hell it looks like you could detonate the nuclear waste out there and nobody would notice.

Posted by: Alex at July 06, 2010 03:52 PM (ifK+p)

65 "Did suicide belts make the list? Or, did the muzzies just steal them from someone else, like they did with everything else?"
I think the Tamil Tigers in Sri Lanka were the first to use them in the modern style, against civilian targets, so yeah, the Muslims stole that idea too.

Posted by: gebrauchshund at July 06, 2010 03:56 PM (d7k0J)

66 People should understand the whole picture. Yucca Mountain was required because Jimmy Carter decided that we were not going to reprocess spent fuel into new fuel, which up to his administration had been the plan.

We don't need Yucca Mountain if we are going to recycle fuel.

So I have no problem at all closing Yucca Mountain if we return to our original plan of recycling.

Posted by: crosspatch at July 06, 2010 04:16 PM (ZbLJZ)

67 "But the economy has great absorptive capacity. As long as no one is
being forced, more people participating in the workforce is better for
everyone."

It can't happen here

Everybody's clean and it can't happen here

No, no, it won't happen here

I'm telling you it can't

It won't happen here

Bop-bop-ditty-bop

(I'm not worried at all, I'm not worried at all)

Ditty-bop-bop-bop

Plastic folks, you know

It won't happen here

You're safe, mama

You're safe, baby

You just cook a tv dinner

And you make it

Bop bop bop

Oh, we're gonna get a tv dinner and cook it up

Oh, get a tv dinner and cook it up

Cook it up

Oh, and it won't happen here

Posted by: A One and a Two and a at July 06, 2010 04:18 PM (kb0wl)

68 Hey! The gubmint can take that 32 billion dollars in surcharges and pump it into health care!
Or steal it. Who cares? They're the Democrats and they can do what they want!

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at July 06, 2010 04:25 PM (P33XN)

69 Crosspatch @ 66 - We'd still need Yucca Mountain if we reprocess spent nuclear fuel. Reprocessing recovers separates still usable Uranium isotopes (most of the volume) from the highly radioactive waste products small fraction of volume).
Carter killed reprocessing to set an example for the rest of the world. That turned out real well.

Posted by: butch at July 06, 2010 04:37 PM (8NiWI)

70 You poor bastards are going to miss me before long.

Posted by: Benito Mussolini at July 06, 2010 04:40 PM (mka2b)

71 The utilities gave up on Yucca long ago. What they would actually like to see is the courts rule that the government can no longer make them pay for a repository they are never going to get.

And Gabe, the NRC site used to be fairly easy to navigate but they made a lot of changes after 9-11 in order to obfuscate information for the non-knowledgeable.


Posted by: Vic at July 06, 2010 04:45 PM (/jbAw)

72 Oh, I am sure as soon as someone with the ability to get standing challenges his other "end-runs" he will get slapped down on those as well.

Providing Kennedy isn't pissed off at Scalia that day.

Posted by: Vic at July 06, 2010 04:48 PM (/jbAw)

73 Reprocessing with today's technology is no longer economically justified.

Commercial reactors burn their fuel for 3 cycles now using reflective "shield assemblies" at the core periphery as well as other complicated design features.

Commercial reactors are classified as "converters". A new fuel assembly gets almost all of its energy during operation from thermal fission of U-235. As the fuel "burns" off the three cycles it uses up the U-235 and produces Pu-239 which is then burned.

After all three cycles there is virtually nothing left that is fissile. All the U-235 and Pu-239 from that assembly is gone.

However there is still a lot of the U-238 matrix and Zr clad which will be highly irradiated and in need of disposal.

What is really "funny" about all of this shit is the last court ruling required the DOE to "prove" the fuel could be stored at Yucca mountain for 10,000 years. That is about the length of time that they estimate humans have existed in North America.

After 300 years a spent nuclear fuel element will be less radioactive than the original material that was mined from the earth.

Posted by: Vic at July 06, 2010 04:59 PM (/jbAw)

74 Why don't they show these "environmentalists" Chernobyl? It's a de facto refuge tucked into the cement landscape of the Ukraine.

Posted by: John S at July 06, 2010 05:21 PM (+q/hN)

75 Do an interwebs search for Oklo natural reactor.

Posted by: butch at July 06, 2010 06:08 PM (BFLqX)

76 FUCK YOU ALL!

Posted by: First Negro - Over and Out at July 06, 2010 06:26 PM (tuCVl)

77 32BILLION!!!! Sheeeeatttttt!!
Michelle sweetie...I found my new slush fund!!!!!
We in the money, we in the money, we movin on up to the sky!!!!

Posted by: Andrew at July 06, 2010 06:40 PM (YyQhC)

78 Michelle sweetie...I found my new slush fund!!!!!
We in the money, we in the money, we movin on up to the sky!!!!
Hahahaha, the giverment spent all of that 32B long ago. It was just like the SS trust fund.

Posted by: Vic at July 06, 2010 06:42 PM (/jbAw)

79 We don't need Yucca Mountain if we are going to recycle fuel.

Ahh, yeah, we sorta do need Yucca Mountain. We are still a ways away from building Reactors that can dispose of nuclear waste, which includes not just spent fuel pellets but gloves, tools, and all sorts of things.

Posted by: TXMarko at July 06, 2010 07:16 PM (bzqUR)

80 Just wanted to show off me prize...

Posted by: FORGER - Nobel Prize winner - Quantum Moronics at July 06, 2010 07:23 PM (E5Pqe)

81 Well Thank God NV had harry reid at the helm of the senate or we might get stuck with all the mess, oh wait, wtf?

Posted by: lou at July 06, 2010 07:33 PM (byrE+)

82 64
I love the environmentalists fighting this. There's nothing out there!
Hell it looks like you could detonate the nuclear waste out there and
nobody would notice.

Posted by: Alex at July 06, 2010 03:52 PM (ifK+p)

Don't forget much of the Nevada desert has had nuclear detonations... They used to watch them from the Vegas Strip...

Posted by: phreshone at July 06, 2010 08:21 PM (1AnxB)

83 82 64 I love the environmentalists fighting this. There's nothing out there! Hell it looks like you could detonate the nuclear waste out there and nobody would notice.
Posted by: Alex at July 06, 2010 03:52 PM (ifK+p)

Don't forget much of the Nevada desert has had nuclear detonations... They used to watch them from the Vegas Strip...
Posted by: phreshone at July 06, 2010 08:21 PM (1AnxB)
Well, I live in Vegas and choose not to accept nuclear waste , does that make me an environmentalist?

Posted by: lou at July 06, 2010 08:38 PM (byrE+)

84 So now it goes to the full five member Nuclear Regulatory Commission. Chairman Jaczko is a former staffer forSenator Reid and for Representative Markey. We'll see if he's the "Manchurian Chairman."
Of course, it will roll up to the federal court system sooner or later.
Yes, the Nuclear Waste Trust Fund has received over $32 billion over the years but any of the $10 billion not already spent on Yucca Mountain went to the US Treasury in return for "promissory notes." Any expenditure beyond regular cash flow will require either higher taxes or government borrowing. So yes, they've blow it already, just like the Social Security Trust Fund.
Are we stupid or what?
The utilities that operate nuclear power plants only COLLECT the money for the trust fund as a one mil per kilowatt-hour fee on nuclear electricity. They don't really care how much it costs - they just want to hand off the spent fuel to someone else, like the government.
In defense of the NRC website, it is designed for use by engineers in the business. It works well-enough for those who use it often for serious work but yes, it is clunky and not at all pretty or slick.
The total cost of Yucca Mountain is probably about $100 billion. We could build a complete nuclear fuel reprocessing infrastructure for half that. Operating costs for the fuel cycle would increase but you'd never see it in your electric bill since fuel is such a trivial part of the costs of nuclear power.

Posted by: Whitehall at July 06, 2010 08:56 PM (FmPSC)

85 The utilities that operate nuclear power plants only COLLECT the money
for the trust fund as a one mil per kilowatt-hour fee on nuclear
electricity. They don't really care how much it costs -

Not true. They pay the fee, whether or not they get a rate increase to cover the fee is always determined by some other State commission. I know for a fact that we got no rate increase after we started having to pay the fee.

As for reprocessing, go back and read my earlier post.

Posted by: Vic at July 06, 2010 09:09 PM (/jbAw)

86 " We are still a ways away from building Reactors that can dispose of
nuclear waste, which includes not just spent fuel pellets but gloves,
tools, and all sorts of things."

Actually, incorrect. Items contaminated with long lived waste can be exposed to fast neutron streams in the same way that fuel is recycled. The remaining isotopes have a much shorter half-life and can be stored in more conventional facilities.

We know how to build a conventional structure that will last the required 300 to 500 years for the shorter-lived isotopes to decay.

Transmutation from exposure to fast neutrons can fix that problem too.

Google an article from December 2005 SciAm titled Smarter Use of Nuclear Waste and read the whole thing.

Posted by: crosspatch at July 06, 2010 09:39 PM (ZbLJZ)

87 Maybe we can store all of our nuclear waste up Shu's arse instead?

Posted by: cheshirecat at July 06, 2010 10:49 PM (BA4Or)

88 Load the nookular waste onto rockets and shoot them into space in such a way that they fly into the sun

this plan

>creates jobs
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>won't even be noticed by the sun

Dumb idea. First, the ecofreaks go beserk when we send up RTG batteries which contain a miniscule amount of PU-238. You think they are going to be quiet about sending up tons of the shit?

Two, it costs billions of dollars to send one creaky old space shuttle up. You think we have the money to send up nuclear waste once a month for a hyperbolic orbit to the big furnace in the sky?

Posted by: cheshirecat at July 06, 2010 10:54 PM (BA4Or)

89 The "utilities" have intervened in federal court to enjoin DOE from withdrawing the application. The government (that means us) will end up paying the tab for the utilities to continue storing this stuff. None of this has anything to do with science. Read the decision -- there was no science behind the withdrawal.
That's only a small part of the issue. Like Gitmo, Obamacare, moratorium on drilling, illegal immigration, bailout of GM and Chrysler, etc., this is yet another instance of the O circumventing law for his policy preferences and favored constituencies that lack political support. Wanna kill Yucca? Simple -- vote in Congress and repeal the statute. However, O and Reid do not have the votes to do that or they would have put it in already. Instead, the O dictates by fiat,and dares Congress and the courts to do something about it. So far, he has been correct that nobody in authority has the juevos to stand up to him.

Posted by: dagny at July 06, 2010 11:39 PM (RiRCk)

90 #54: The Aussies has a pilot project using this technology but it was sunk in a typhoon back in May, I believe. I don't have a link for you but it should be easy enough to look it up.

Posted by: rabidfox at July 07, 2010 12:34 AM (wM7JK)

91 The "utilities" have intervened in federal court to enjoin DOE from
withdrawing the application. The government (that means us) will end up
paying the tab for the utilities to continue storing this stuff.

Obviously didn't read the article. This entire project has been a cash cow for the feds. You (a tax payer I presume) are paying nothing. The government has collected 30B from the utilities and spent 10B for a project they now want to abandon.

Posted by: Vic at July 07, 2010 02:48 AM (/jbAw)

92 @58
1) It really isnt currently cost-justified to reprocess.
2) The waste must be retreivable.
The counter argument to this is there will beloss of operational experience gained at the sites where reprocessing techniques were developed in refined.

Posted by: Lonny Eckert at July 07, 2010 09:48 AM (LsGTr)

93 @79
Yucca mountain is for high level waste only.
Spent resins, contaminated clothing and tools, etc are low-level waste and are disposed of at other facilities.

Posted by: Lonny Eckert at July 07, 2010 09:52 AM (LsGTr)

94 Obviously didn't read the article. This entire project has been a cash cow for the feds. You (a tax payer I presume) are paying nothing. The government has collected 30B from the utilities and spent 10B for a project they now want to abandon.
The govt, because they collected that money, is required by law and by contract to provide storage to those utilities. That's what the law suit is about. If we (the govt)don't open yucca we (the taxpayers) have to pay for other storage, fines for not transferring waste from the places that it is stored now, and additional legal fees and court costs for the law suits from the localities that contracted to store it up to a certain date who will not be unburdened.

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