Obama's Cap and Trade Bait and Switch

Three views on it.

Keith Hennessey:

Scenario 1 Imagine that the President proposes new legislation targeted at the problem of engineering safety in deepwater drilling. [lists proposals to make drilling safer.]

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I believe the legislation in scenario 1 would pass the House and Senate within a week or two, with overwhelming and possibly unanimous bipartisan majorities. The President could quickly unify the country and celebrate a wise bipartisan solution to preventing the recurrence of a painful problem. That would still leave the existing crisis, but the long-term policy issues would be solved.

Scenario 2 The President pushes for enactment of cap-and-trade legislation which raises the cost of gasoline and diesel fuel, and of power produced from coal and natural gas. He insists that Congress include all the policies from scenario 1 in this bill.

Scenario 2 is a huge gamble. If the President succeeds, it will probably look like the health care fight. It will be a long, vigorous, largely partisan debate, overlaid with regional economic and energy interests. Legislation will become law only after squeaking out a 60th vote to overcome a filibuster.

The President knows he cannot enact cap-and-trade before November without a game changer. He assumes his legislative margin will be (much) smaller next year. He is rolling the dice to see if he can turn this crisis into a legislative opportunity, in what may be his last chance to enact a national carbon price.

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I think solving our deepwater drilling engineering safety problems is now a top national policy priority. I think our other top domestic policy priority needs to be near-term economic growth. I rank climate change lower on my list of policy problems.

The President could have a quick, clean, bipartisan win on legislation that would eliminate the risk of another spill like this one.

Instead he is rolling the dice again, gambling that he can leverage the problems with drilling for oil in deep water to get legislation that also raises costs for power production. He is also choosing a path that he knows will provoke partisan conflict. Maybe he sees an electoral benefit to having the fight.

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The Presidents War on Fossil Fuels will reinvigorate an intense policy debate on the future of energy and environmental policy in America. He may be successful in bending the Congress to his will, as he did with health care. He may fail.

I prefer another path that is simpler, faster, more unifying, and more targeted at the problem that is in the forefront of our consciousness this summer.

I think it would be good for America to unite and say, We worked together to prevent that problem in the Gulf from happening again. It is easy to do so, and I wish the President would choose that path instead.

Liz Mair says Obama's failure to clearly specify he wants cap and trade means it's all but dead:

[T]he real meaning of the speech tonight can, I think, be found when considering these excerpts:

So I am happy to look at other ideas and approaches from either party - as long they seriously tackle our addiction to fossil fuels. Some have suggested raising efficiency standards in our buildings like we did in our cars and trucks. Some believe we should set standards to ensure that more of our electricity comes from wind and solar power. Others wonder why the energy industry only spends a fraction of what the high-tech industry does on research and development - and want to rapidly boost our investments in such research and development.

All of these approaches have merit, and deserve a fear [sic] hearing in the months ahead. But the one approach I will not accept is inaction. The one answer I will not settle for is the idea that this challenge is too big and too difficult to meet.

This has but one translation, and everyone who cares about energy and environmental policy should be paying attention because it's a big 'un: Barack Obama is not wedded to cap-and-trade and is setting things up so that if and when he signs into law something that is not cap-and-trade, nor something even possible to confuse with it, the big story will be "President gets groundbreaking energy bill," and not "President fails to get legislation he's been advocating for four straight years passed."

Both may be right in this sense: Obama may continue supporting cap and trade as he supported the public option, behind the scenes, urging his leftist allies to push on that front, while himself ducking from the debate. (Although in that case Liz Mair is a lot closer to right.)

I think this is like health care in another way. As a commentator noted (Kristen Powers, I think), Obama's chief agenda item last year was fixing the economy. But he decided that was too big a thing to accomplish, so instead changed the subject to a kinda-sorta-related-but-not-really debate over health care legislation.

The real thing he decided he couldn't do, but he wanted some credit on the economic front, so he made up an argument about health care legislation being necessary to get the economy growing again.

He couldn't change facts, but he could change legislation, so that, of course, is what he spent all his energy attempting.

If he'd made fixing the economy his goal, with the implicit suggestion that it is on that issue he should be evaluated, well then, he'd be judged a clear failure for having failed.

Instead, he sneaky-like changed the criteria for evaluating his success. No longer was fixing the economy a presidential-level task; no, the real test of a president was whether he could cobble together enough Congressmen to sign a bill with the words "health care reform" in the title.

People are still hostile to him for that -- but even so, only half the country judges him a failure on that. The other half either judges him a success or has no strong opinion.

Compare that to the case if fixing the economy had been the standard of success -- 90% of the country would judge him a failure. (10% would also judge him a failure but would lie about it if asked.)

The Deepwater Horizon spill is similar. The One Big Thing everyone wants Obama to do is plug the damn hole, skim the oil from the water, and block the advance of the oil to our shorelines.

But he seems to have decided that is something outside his control and so he doesn't want to make that the bar for success.

Instead, he shifts the standard of success to a bunch of things he can achieve... but are trivial.

Getting BP to set up an escrow. Something or other about "green energy." Directing a number of national guardsmen to be ready to do... something or other. Some other horseshit about this other thing.

None of this is actually what the public wants -- we want the hole plugged and the damage contained and mitigated -- but he's decided he can't make that the standard of success, because there's a pretty good chance he'll fail.

So he changes the topic from Plug the damn hole to Pass the damn bill.

Also note Obama can't get into a political argument with the oil spill -- it's, you know, inanimate and all. It's not a "villain" he can demagogue. Because everyone agrees he should stop that spill -- no one is on the other side of the argument -- and his problem is not with politics or arguments or "obstructionist Republicans" but with facts and his own incompetence to change them.

You can't run a poll asking "Who more shares you values -- President Obama, or an inanimate petrochemical disaster?"

No one is stopping him from plugging the damn hole except for circumstances and his lack of ability to change them.

But if he starts pretending that what we really need to do is pass some legislation, he gets into a fight with convenient villains. He shifts the debate from one about his own incompetence into one about Republicans thwarting him.

Cynical, and transparent, but then, that's how he got elected.

Refuse to Engage: One strategy that might work for Republicans is to call Obama out on this cynical strategy, and simply refuse to pass anything or even engage in debate.

A Senator could say, "The only issue right now is plugging that hole and saving our shorelines. Obama wants to distract the country with these other very tangential and not-time-sensitive phony issues. Not only do I not want him to distract the country, but more importantly, I don't want him distracting himself -- I don't want him setting up a media war room where they strategize on how to win the media day. I want him thinking of one thing and one thing only, and that is plugging the damn hole. He already seems too distracted and too disengaged; I'm not going to encourage him to take his eye off the ball still further by playing along with his cynical strategy of distraction."

Posted by: Ace at 01:29 PM



Comments

1 He's such a magician! And we're getting sawed in half.

Posted by: kathysaysso at June 16, 2010 01:31 PM (ZtwUX)

2
How do you reason with "DICK CHENEY CAUSED TEH OIL LEEKZZZ1!!!!!! *spittle*" ?

Posted by: Dang Straights at June 16, 2010 01:31 PM (tPnVB)

3 Dang Straights - You can't reason with it. So you need to club it to death with an empty Valu-Rite bottle.

Posted by: kathysaysso at June 16, 2010 01:33 PM (ZtwUX)

4 Obama's 'War on Power'

Posted by: negentropy at June 16, 2010 01:35 PM (27KAF)

5 Rush just had some interesting stats..
..if all the oil coming out of the spill were unchecked (not degarded or recovered somehow) until the anticipated relief wells were drilled as anticipated in August...108 million gallons would have been released..
..the total amount of water in the Gulf is 6.6 quadrillion gallons..which is the equivalent to 1/1,000,000th of an ounce in the average-sized bathtub..
Now the real danger of the spill is what it is going to do to the coasts
The question is..why did Bammie not do all he could to mitigate this??...build berms...but all the boom he could, etc.
Now..the most cynical among us just might find that a tad suspiscious

Posted by: beedubya at June 16, 2010 01:37 PM (AnTyA)

6 So you need to club it to death with an empty Valu-Rite bottle.

All I can find is the plastic 1.75l jugs, should I fill it with pennies first?

Posted by: Dang Straights at June 16, 2010 01:38 PM (tPnVB)

7
If this spill has shown the American people on thing...it's that we have a SHITLOAD of oil in the ground waiting to be tapped.

That little tidbit is gonna bite Obama in the arse.

Posted by: President We Must Do Something at June 16, 2010 01:38 PM (uFokq)

8 Should we call fearless leader Cap'n Kickass or Cap'n Trade?

Posted by: Inquiring mind at June 16, 2010 01:40 PM (xxgag)

9
Cap'n Taxass?

Posted by: Dang Straights at June 16, 2010 01:40 PM (tPnVB)

10 Obama only needs Cap And Trade for political cover since the EPA is in his back pocket.

Posted by: Dr. Spank at June 16, 2010 01:41 PM (xO+6C)

11 In all seriousness, when is the hole going to be plugged? I heard in August because the equipment they need isn't available until then.
The last time this happened in the Gulf, it took 10 months and Red Adair.

Posted by: Ben at June 16, 2010 01:41 PM (wuv1c)

12 Cap'n dumbass.

Posted by: 'Nam Grunt at June 16, 2010 01:41 PM (JZpX3)

13 Let me be clear:as soon as my teleprompter gives me the logistics to get off this thing, I'm on that problem 24/7!!

Posted by: President Post Turtle at June 16, 2010 01:42 PM (ERJIu)

14 <blockquote>He already seems too distracted and too disengaged; I'm not going to
encourage him to take his eye off the ball still further by playing
along with his cynical strategy of distraction.</blockquote>

Unfortunately, when you tell Obama to "keep his eye on the ball," he thinks you want him to play another round of golf.

Posted by: JSchuler at June 16, 2010 01:42 PM (yKEQc)

15 Where wasa seque there to Andy Sullivan or to Charles Johnson? Must've missed it.

Posted by: I'll go back and look again, but I didn't see it at June 16, 2010 01:43 PM (sYrWB)

16 All I can find is the plastic 1.75l jugs, should I fill it with pennies first?


Posted by: Dang Straights at June 16, 2010 01:38 PM (tPnVB)
If you can fill a 1.75 liter jug with pennies, you have enough to several proper bottles of Valu Rite. Empty them via guzzling, and then club away! (Unlike the Prez, I am a problem solver.)

Posted by: kathysaysso at June 16, 2010 01:43 PM (ZtwUX)

17
While I appreciate hyperbole as much as anyone else, it is my duty as a Texan to point out that Red Adair worked land blowouts, not offshore.

Posted by: Dang Straights at June 16, 2010 01:44 PM (tPnVB)

18 "enough money to BUY" several...

Oh, hell. I can't type. I need a drink.

Posted by: kathysaysso at June 16, 2010 01:44 PM (ZtwUX)

19 A Senator could say, "The only issue right now is plugging that hole and
saving our shorelines. Obama wants to distract the country with these
other very tangential and not-time-sensitive phony issues. Not only do I
not want him to distract the country, but more importantly, I don't
want him distracting himself -- I don't want him setting up a
media war room where they strategize on how to win the media day. I
want him thinking of one thing and one thing only, and that is plugging
the damn hole. He already seems too distracted and too disengaged;
I'm not going to encourage him to take his eye off the ball still
further by playing along with his cynical strategy of distraction."

Or the Senator could simply say, "We'll gladly deal with the President's other agenda items -- after the damn hole is plugged." And just keep repeating that simple statement, over and over.

Posted by: stuiec at June 16, 2010 01:45 PM (W+GYq)

20 Unfortunately, when you tell Obama to "keep his eye on the ball," he thinks you want him to play another round of golf.
Oh, I want him to keep playing golf. When he's playing golf he's not actively trying todestroy the Republic.

Posted by: Sort-of-Mad Max at June 16, 2010 01:45 PM (ERJIu)

21 It probably would have been better for Obama to be honest last night. Tell the people that the hole won't be plugged for a few months.
Now people are going to expect action or at least more action we've seen so far.
He should have worn a cardigan sweater last night.

Posted by: Ben at June 16, 2010 01:45 PM (wuv1c)

22 So, as I feared/predicted, his strategy is to do as little as possible, and paint it as as much a possible in order to KILL BIG OIL.

Posted by: ParisParamus at June 16, 2010 01:46 PM (8NZ+B)

23 @15 Cxxxxs Jxxxxxxn? Must've missed it.

Let's not mention that name, shall we? It will summon him hence, and we do not wish it.



Posted by: A Balrog of Morgoth at June 16, 2010 01:46 PM (ZESU0)

24 While I appreciate hyperbole as much as anyone else,
it is my duty as a Texan to point out that Red Adair worked land
blowouts, not offshore.


Posted by: Dang Straights at June 16, 2010 01:44 PM (tPnVB)
Though he did put out the fire on the Piper Alpha platform in the North Sea in 1988. That was not his first offshore platform rodeo, either.

Posted by: stuiec at June 16, 2010 01:46 PM (W+GYq)

25 -->As a commentator noted (Kristen Powers, I think), Obama's chief agenda
item last year was fixing the economy. But he decided that was
too big a thing to accomplish, so instead changed the subject to a
kinda-sorta-related-but-not-really debate over health care legislation.

That's just not true, in so many different ways. The Precedent never wanted to "fix the economy". NEVER. He wanted the government to take over everything, or rip America apart in the attempt, and that's exactly what he did.

After he had destroyed much of America's foundations of contract law and free enterprise, he moved on to further hurt this nation with his health scare. He never really expected to pass health scare, and he didn't care. That wasn't the point. The point was to try and jam through something that America would hate and that would deal a fatal blow to our institutions as it was being forced through - whether it eventually made it or not.

This is what America gets when it puts someone who has not an ounce of American sensibilities about him into the White House, someone who is not anything close to a 'natural born citizen'. No American would have treated our Congress and the American people the way the Indonesian Imbecile did. It took someone with no connections to America, who held us and our institutions in contempt, to do irreparable damage to our Congress in order to try and pass an un-Constitutional, un-American, idiotic health scare bill.

I fear that many people have still not come to grips with the fact that The Precedent is out to destroy. We are lucky that he is such a retarded incompetent, but make no mistake about his intentions.

Posted by: progressoverpeace at June 16, 2010 01:46 PM (Qp4DT)

26 Regarding this $20Billion in escrow for damages announced by BP today, does anyone know how much BP is getting in grants to research alternative "green" energy?

Would anyone be surprised if those numbers are about the same? I do know BP wanted to rebrand as "Beyond Petroleum" before all this happened.

Posted by: Doc at June 16, 2010 01:46 PM (rzJpR)

27 CO2 has been declared a pollutant and the EPA is going to regulate the shit out of it. Congress tried to reign them in but failed. There will be some form of carbon tax, so why would Obama push this?

Posted by: Dr. Spank at June 16, 2010 01:46 PM (xO+6C)

28
"enough money to BUY" several...

Love going to likker store and paying in loose change. That's moron-lifestyle approved, right there.

Posted by: Dang Straights at June 16, 2010 01:47 PM (tPnVB)

29 Unfortunately, when you tell Obama to "keep his eye
on the ball," he thinks you want him to play another round of golf.


Posted by: JSchuler at June 16, 2010 01:42 PM (yKEQc)
Golf? Not 69 with Rahm in the steam room?

Posted by: stuiec at June 16, 2010 01:47 PM (W+GYq)

30
hairsplitters

Posted by: Dang Straights at June 16, 2010 01:47 PM (tPnVB)

31
Another way of looking at my ineptitude and dithering during the spill is this:

In 2012 I might have to face Bobby Jindal. So dumping a huge mess on his shores will keep him busy.

Posted by: President We Must Do Something at June 16, 2010 01:48 PM (uFokq)

32 Rush also noted that the 6 month moratorium on Gulf drilling may well cost 120k jobs.

Yeah, I'm a bitch.

Posted by: the government pimp hand at June 16, 2010 01:49 PM (4WbTI)

33 Welcome back, Carter!
Your malaise is your ticket home.
Welcome back, Carter!
Your incompetence has us all boned.
Welcome back!

Posted by: Vinnie Barbarino at June 16, 2010 01:49 PM (ERJIu)

34 Refuse to Engage
That's some good stuff right there Ace. That's close to a platform to run for office on "After years ofrecord breaking gov.growth, lets fucking cool it for a little while".

Posted by: Roadking at June 16, 2010 01:50 PM (DaGWx)

35
I told the BP CEO he ain't gonna come into my Oval Office and give this president the ol okie-doke.

Posted by: President We Must Do Something at June 16, 2010 01:51 PM (uFokq)

36 Posted by: stuiec at June 16, 2010 01:47 PM
AAAAAAGH!

Brain bleach! Brain bleach!

Posted by: HeatherRadish at June 16, 2010 01:51 PM (mR7mk)

37 Scenario Three
We adjust to life with the oil spill. we trade with it, weintermingle with it. we marry its women folk and develop an alliance with it.
Scenario Four.
We create a giant under sea jet and aim it at mexico and south america and push the oil in that directions

Posted by: Ben at June 16, 2010 01:51 PM (wuv1c)

38 Thank you, stuiec. Now I have to pour bleach into my eyes.

Posted by: JSchuler at June 16, 2010 01:51 PM (yKEQc)

39 The only issue right now is plugging that hole and saving our shorelines. Obama wants to distract the country with these other very tangential and not-time-sensitive phony issues.
Compare and contrast with Bobby Jindal.
Repeatedly. Loudly.
And once again, with feeling.

Posted by: Mama AJ at June 16, 2010 01:52 PM (XdlcF)

40 I wonder what Michael Steele thinks about all this?

Posted by: kathysaysso at June 16, 2010 01:52 PM (ZtwUX)

41 In 2012 I might have to face Bobby Jindal. So dumping a huge mess on his
shores will keep him busy.

Posted by: President We Must Do Something at June 16, 2010 01:48 PM
(uFokq)
How about: By dumping a huge mess on Louisiana's shores, I've given Bobby Jindal an opportunity to rebuild his credibility and revive his Presidential ambitions -- and that will help keep the Republicans busy fighting amongst themselves to pick their candidate for 2012.

Posted by: stuiec at June 16, 2010 01:52 PM (W+GYq)

42 While I appreciate hyperbole as much as anyone else, it is my duty as a Texan to point out that Red Adair worked land blowouts, not offshore.

no , he definately was involved in the Ixtoc 1 oil spill in the gulf of mexico.
Look it up. I ain't lying.

Posted by: Ben at June 16, 2010 01:53 PM (wuv1c)

43 There will be some form of carbon tax, so why would Obama push this?
He's been paid to. $394,465, officially.

Posted by: oblig. at June 16, 2010 01:54 PM (x7Ao8)

44
when did Gov Jindal lose his credibility?

Posted by: a sign post up ahead at June 16, 2010 01:54 PM (uFokq)

45 Posted by: Ben at June 16, 2010 01:51 PM (wuv1c)

Scenario Five: we build a giant tunnel under the Gulf from Louisiana down to the wellhead so people can drive down there and fill up their gas tanks for free.

Posted by: stuiec at June 16, 2010 01:54 PM (W+GYq)

46 Glen Beck had an interesting quote from Obama the other night; in it Obama talkes about white corporate execs not caring about inner city children. He also quoted Obama as saying that he didn't need to talk to the BP CEO or execs because he "knew what they were going to say". He compared these statements to Obama saying during the campaign that he would meet with foreign dictators (Amanutjob and Mr. Lonely) during the campaign.
Obama is a character out of Native Son.

Posted by: dagny at June 16, 2010 01:55 PM (DNCvM)

47 Obama sez: "So I am happy to look at other ideas and approaches from either party -
as long they seriously tackle our addiction to fossil fuels."

Why doesn't he start with the Department of Energy, whose creation decades ago was to do that very freakin' thing??!?!

Posted by: TXMarko at June 16, 2010 01:56 PM (TXw8y)

48
Unfortunately, when you tell Obama to "keep
his eye on the ball," he thinks you want him to play another round of
golf.


Oh, I want him to keep playing golf. When he's playing golf
he's not actively trying todestroy the Republic.

Posted by: Sort-of-Mad Max at June 16, 2010 01:45 PM (ERJIu)
He's not really playing, you know. He's doing personal research into plugging holes with golf ball junk shots.

Posted by: stuiec at June 16, 2010 01:57 PM (W+GYq)

49 O/T: rush read biden's 2008 comments on the order of gird your loins but I think not that comment...anyways before he cut to commercial he said "on the subject of whether or not biden knew about an oil well leak I'm going to remain mute, I'm not going to go there"

but he mentioned this anyway...?

Posted by: curious at June 16, 2010 01:57 PM (p302b)

50 I'm thinking a giant catapult could be of use in this spill somehow, I just haven't figured out how yet.

Posted by: Dr. Spank at June 16, 2010 01:58 PM (xO+6C)

51 DOE? Probably the worst govt dept next to HUD. The infighting and cliquish there is legendary. They can't coordinate a fire drill.

Posted by: dagny at June 16, 2010 01:58 PM (DNCvM)

52 Scenario Five:
1. we build a giant tunnel under the Gulf from Louisiana down to the wellhead so
2. people can drive down there and fill up their gas tanks for free.
3. profit!
fixed that for ya stuiec

Posted by: Mama AJ at June 16, 2010 01:58 PM (XdlcF)

53
Scenario Five: we build a giant tunnel under the Gulf from Louisiana down to the wellhead so people can drive down there and fill up their gas tanks for free.
Scenario 6, we reverse the flow of water in the Rio Grande so that it sucks in oil filled Gulf water, we then set it on fire and use a river of fire instead of a border fence to keep out the illegals.

Posted by: Ben at June 16, 2010 01:58 PM (wuv1c)

54 when did Gov Jindal lose his credibility?

Posted by: a sign post up ahead at June 16, 2010 01:54 PM (uFokq)
When he gave a real clunker of a Republican response to Obama's first address to Congress.

Posted by: stuiec at June 16, 2010 01:58 PM (W+GYq)

55 Obama is a character out of Native Son.

Posted by: dagny at June 16, 2010 01:55 PM (DNCvM)
Obama is a character of the Star Trek episode where the bratty adolescent is hell bent on wreaking destruction.

Posted by: kathysaysso at June 16, 2010 01:59 PM (ZtwUX)

56 53 I like it.

Any oil truthers pop up yet?

Posted by: dagny at June 16, 2010 01:59 PM (DNCvM)

57 In 2012 I might have to face Bobby Jindal. So dumping a huge mess on his shores will keep him busy.
That raghead does not have a chance in 2012! People are sick of the one we got in there now - no way they put in another one!

Posted by: Jake Knotts working his magic at June 16, 2010 01:59 PM (DaGWx)

58 Scenario 6, we reverse the flow of water in the
Rio Grande so that it sucks in oil filled Gulf water, we then set it on
fire and use a river of fire instead of a border fence to keep out the
illegals.


Posted by: Ben at June 16, 2010 01:58 PM (wuv1c)
I LIKE IT!!!!

Posted by: stuiec at June 16, 2010 01:59 PM (W+GYq)

59 "40
I wonder what Michael Steele thinks about all this?


Posted by: kathysaysso at June 16, 2010 01:52 PM (ZtwUX)"oh, he's too busy to think....

Posted by: curious at June 16, 2010 02:00 PM (p302b)

60 53 I like it.

Any oil truthers pop up yet?
No. Not yet, but the jooos will get blamed somehow.

Posted by: Ben at June 16, 2010 02:00 PM (wuv1c)

61 55 Call in the Q

Posted by: dagny at June 16, 2010 02:00 PM (DNCvM)

62 Notice there were no joos on the rig when it blew up.

Posted by: dagny at June 16, 2010 02:00 PM (DNCvM)

63 27 CO2 has been declared a pollutant and the EPA is going to regulate the shit out of it. Congress tried to reign them in but failed. There will be some form of carbon tax, so why would Obama push this?
Posted by: Dr. Spank at June 16, 2010 01:46 PM (xO+6C)
Bingo.
Scenario 3: Obama does nothing but point fingers, creating gridlock in the Senate, while the EPA creates Cap and Trade by "existing" legislation and Court decrees.
Most folks don't realize that unless Congress takes action to reign in the EPA, the Greens have won.

Posted by: Romeo13 at June 16, 2010 02:00 PM (OlHjR)

64 he would meet with foreign dictators (Amanutjob and Mr. Lonely Ronery) during the campaign.

FIFY

Posted by: beedubya at June 16, 2010 02:00 PM (AnTyA)

65 I'm becoming convinced that the funnel idea they tried earlier was the right way to go, just too small. Especially if the article posted earlier this week is correct, and the well bore is damage down below.

They need a dome 100 meters across and something like 1000 tons dead weight to lower over the top of the entire shebang if the BOP goes.

Posted by: damian at June 16, 2010 02:00 PM (4WbTI)

66 Ben for Oil Disaster Czar!

Posted by: kathysaysso at June 16, 2010 02:01 PM (ZtwUX)

67 I'm thinking a giant catapult could be of use in this
spill somehow, I just haven't figured out how yet.


Posted by: Dr. Spank at June 16, 2010 01:58 PM (xO+6C)
Space catapult: we aim an asteroid at the well.(Or space cabbage: we put a space cabbage next to the well and let it drink up all the oil.)

Posted by: stuiec at June 16, 2010 02:01 PM (W+GYq)

68 I believe the legislation in scenario 1 would pass the House and Senate
within a week or two, with overwhelming and possibly unanimous
bipartisan majorities. The President could quickly unify the country
and celebrate a wise bipartisan solution to preventing the recurrence of
a painful problem. That would still leave the existing crisis, but the
long-term policy issues would be solved.

I have to throw the BS flag on that one. "After the fact" regulation has never solved any problem. In fact, federal regulation in 99.9% of the cases doesn't solve any problem or prevent these kinds of accidents.

We still do not know what caused this accident or IF BP violated existing regulations in a manner that caused this accident or in a manner which made the accident worse. The root cause investigation has not been done yet.

But that has never stopped the government from jumping the shark. Even before OBama and his "never let a crisis go to waste" regime assumed power. After the ENRON debacle congress passed the odious Sarbanes-Oxley Act. Which accomplished making day-to-day life in corporate America torture. Note that even after that act was passed, Madoff was still able to run the largest ponzi investment scheme in history (other than SS).

That is the huge clue bat on federal regulation. It only punishes honest companies. ENRON violated EXISTING regulations and laws. The laws and regulations were not enforced because 99.9% of all federal oversight is examining PAPER and how well it has been completed. This even to the point of whistle-blowers ratting out the guilty and being ignored!

So yes, expect a huge raft of new regulations being written. All for the sole purpose of shitting on the evil oil empire. Also expect a host of new taxes and fees to "punish" the evil oil empire. After all, racist communist from CA Maxine Waters has admitted they only want to nationalize the oil companies.

So even if the idiot in chief doesn't get crap and tax passed no worries. He'll just continue the advance of fascist regulation and communist confiscation in the form of taxes.

And yes, he will have help from cowering and squishy Republicans like Lindsey Graham.

Posted by: Vic at June 16, 2010 02:01 PM (6taRI)

69 Posted by: dagny at June 16, 2010 01:58 PM (DNCvM)

In the recesses of memory seem to recall some tumult (new word I just learned) in the HUD about somehow the guy running it refusing to show his budget or something. Been looking all over trying to find it....oh the guys name is cumo, from NY...think it was during bill's administration...

Posted by: curious at June 16, 2010 02:02 PM (p302b)

70 59 "40 I wonder what Michael Steele thinks
Lap dance two for one special???
...oh hell yeah

Posted by: beedubya at June 16, 2010 02:03 PM (AnTyA)

71 They need a dome 100 meters across and something
like 1000 tons dead weight to lower over the top of the entire shebang
if the BOP goes.


Posted by: damian at June 16, 2010 02:00 PM (4WbTI)
Does a sports team have an old domed stadium it wants to get rid of? We could attach a couple of hundred blimps to it and fly it down to the Gulf.

Posted by: stuiec at June 16, 2010 02:03 PM (W+GYq)

72 71,

How about that pos Astrodome and it's close.

Posted by: 'Nam Grunt at June 16, 2010 02:04 PM (JZpX3)

73 "You can't run a poll asking 'Who more shares you values -- President
Obama, or an inanimate petrochemical disaster?'"

I don't think that's as cut-n-dried as you posit. here, Ace. Truth be told, inanimate petrochemical disaster is looking pretty good about now. Don't believe me? Explain the recent musings from Robinson, Matthews, Olbermann, Dowd, Kearns-Goodwin, etc. Of the two, which leaves a more devastating legacy?

Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at June 16, 2010 02:04 PM (swuwV)

74 DOE? Probably the worst govt dept next to HUD. The infighting and
cliquish there is legendary. They can't coordinate a fire drill.

Meh. Dismantle 'em both.

Posted by: HeatherRadish at June 16, 2010 02:04 PM (mR7mk)

75 Posted by: Vic at June 16, 2010 02:01 PM (6taRI)
my conspiracy theory friend who is doing the book...called and said the psychics know what happened with the well....so I said "ok, what happened" and she said "well they can't say yet but it is going to be fascinating" and then we both jsut laughed....

so you won't know from the administration until the psychics reveal it...

Posted by: curious at June 16, 2010 02:04 PM (p302b)

76 Why don't they stick a giant dome over the leak with a hole or fitting at the top of the dome with a pipe or tube running from it to the surface? They could then suck up the oil to the surface.

Posted by: Dr. Spank at June 16, 2010 02:05 PM (xO+6C)

77 Crap and Tax is dead. He won't get any Republicans to sign on, and he damned well won't get any Democrats from coal or oil states. Ol' Fuzz Nuts has got nothing to offer anyone. Come November, he'll disappear into the White House and stay there until his term is up.

Posted by: GarandFan at June 16, 2010 02:05 PM (6mwMs)

78 Eventually the oil will head toward Mexico.
Then Obama will leap into action.
Unfortunately, his answer will be amnesty.

Posted by: Mama AJ at June 16, 2010 02:05 PM (XdlcF)

79 Nuke the hole!

And then, Rep. Joseph Cao has advice for what The Precedent should do.

Posted by: progressoverpeace at June 16, 2010 02:06 PM (Qp4DT)

80 How about that pos Astrodome and it's close.


Posted by: 'Nam Grunt at June 16, 2010 02:04 PM (JZpX3)
And wasn't it the home of the Oilers at one time? It's kismet!

Posted by: stuiec at June 16, 2010 02:07 PM (W+GYq)

81 Why don't they stick a giant dome over the leak with a hole or fitting at the top of the dome with a pipe or tube running from it to the surface? They could then suck up the oil to the surface.
Eureka..we've found a use for M'Chelle's old diaphragms

Posted by: beedubya at June 16, 2010 02:07 PM (AnTyA)

82 so you won't know from the administration until the psychics reveal
it...

The sad part is that sounds totally plausible.

Posted by: HeatherRadish at June 16, 2010 02:07 PM (mR7mk)

83 If he'd made fixing the economy his goal

He can't, not only for not wanting to be judged on it, but because it would entail embracing non-socialist solutions. Giving up that would be the last thing he would ever do.

The One Big Thing everyone wants Obama to do is plug the damn hole, skim
the oil from the water, and block the advance of the oil to our
shorelines. ...Instead, he shifts the standard of success to a bunch of things he can
achieve... but are trivial.

This is one where he won't be able to shift the standard, no matter the amount of demagoguery.


Posted by: Guy Fawkes at June 16, 2010 02:08 PM (T0bhq)

84 In less than a month we could create a giant steel dome framework with god's own giant valve assembly on top. Then drop that over the well and pump it full of hydraulic concrete to press it down deep into the subsea surface.

It's basic engineering, not atomic brain surgery.

Posted by: damian at June 16, 2010 02:08 PM (4WbTI)

85 Posted by: progressoverpeace at June 16, 2010 02:06 PM (Qp4DT)

I don't think a nuke is the answer. What if something goes horribly wrong? Parts of the country will not be habitable. People could die. People far from the hole could die....it's just not a good idea especially since I heard a scientist on Batchelor say last night that it could do good if done correctly but has more of a chance of making everything worse.

Posted by: curious at June 16, 2010 02:08 PM (p302b)

86 "Refuse to Engage"

An excellent suggestion and politically savvy. I also have zero faith that the GOP would ever do such a thing. Even now it cannot stiffen its spine enough to make bold moves. The Tea Party-ers and Libertarian wing of the conservative caucus, however, I could see doing this.

Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at June 16, 2010 02:09 PM (swuwV)

87 80,

I drank many a beer inside that pos.

Posted by: 'Nam Grunt at June 16, 2010 02:09 PM (JZpX3)

88 "well they can't say yet but it is going to be fascinating" and then we both jsut laughed....
Will Folks is your friends phychic?
Huh.

Posted by: Roadking at June 16, 2010 02:09 PM (DaGWx)

89 Posted by: HeatherRadish at June 16, 2010 02:07 PM (mR7mk)

I know....we both laughed but it is concerning...

Posted by: curious at June 16, 2010 02:09 PM (p302b)

90 We're on it, wingnuts! Government to the rescue! Our plan is foolproof!
Step one: Dig up Detroit.
Step two: Drop it over the oil leak.
Problem solved! Just give us some time to set up the necessary minority set-asides, environmental impact statements, and LEED requirements and we'll have that gusher plugged by August. August 2017.
PS. We'll need an additional 1.3 trillion dollar funding allocation. Please remit by Saturday for us to get the wheels rolling! Thanx.

Posted by: Department of Energy at June 16, 2010 02:10 PM (ERJIu)

91 Why don't they stick a giant dome over the leak with a hole or fitting at the top of the dome with a pipe or tube running from it to the surface? They could then suck up the oil to the surface.

try putting a cap on a fire hose while it is turned on full.
a ton of pressure is coming out of this hole, you can't just drop something on it, the pressure pushes it away before you can close it.

Posted by: Ben at June 16, 2010 02:10 PM (wuv1c)

92 Why don't they stick a giant dome over the leak with a
hole or fitting at the top of the dome with a pipe or tube running from
it to the surface? They could then suck up the oil to the surface.


Posted by: Dr. Spank at June 16, 2010 02:05 PM (xO+6C)
The problem is that the President has a Nobel prizewinner in Physics involved in the response. What he needs is a leading mathematician. A really good mathematician can solve this in moments -- he will simply assume that the hole is plugged.

Posted by: stuiec at June 16, 2010 02:10 PM (W+GYq)

93 PS. We'll need an additional 1.3 trillion dollar
funding allocation. Please remit by Saturday for us to get the wheels
rolling! Thanx.

Posted by: Department of Energy at June 16, 2010 02:10 PM (ERJIu)
Why are you only asking for the funding needed for the study phase?

Posted by: stuiec at June 16, 2010 02:11 PM (W+GYq)

94 Posted by: Roadking at June 16, 2010 02:09 PM (DaGWx)

hhahhah no I have a friend writing a book on conspiracy theory and she is finding connections with psychics. She is using the internet and you would be surprised at how many conspiracy theory and psychic sites are out there. She's found a treasure trove of information.

Posted by: curious at June 16, 2010 02:11 PM (p302b)

95 Posted by: curious at June 16, 2010 02:08 PM (p302b)

The Russkies nuked something like 5 leaking wells. There are risks, for sure, and it might not be the solution - but I would like to hear it talked about, since there are no other solutions being provided by anyone and the federal government is the only one able to even consider the possibility of nuking the well.

As to people being injured by the nuke, I doubt that. We had nuke tests above ground in the Southwest, so I don't know that a smaller one, a mile under water, poses that big of a threat to people. We do have lots of experience with nuke tests in the water.

Posted by: progressoverpeace at June 16, 2010 02:11 PM (Qp4DT)

96 It's those damned Mole People! First they attack Guatemala and now they're trying to poison us with oil! DAMN YOU MOLE PEOPLE!

Posted by: Person Worried About Mole People at June 16, 2010 02:12 PM (Z+rhq)

97 Barack Obamain a Gus Van Sant Masterpiece!
My Own Private Oil Spill

Posted by: garrett at June 16, 2010 02:12 PM (FtWwU)

98 I'm afraid this hole is going to be left to bleed out and then I'll have my GoM tarpits to enjoy while on vacay. Bastards.

Posted by: 'Nam Grunt at June 16, 2010 02:12 PM (JZpX3)

99 Scenario 8
Obama decrees that all 25 million unemployed americans should head down to the Gulf with a crazy straw and four empty one gallon jug. Each person who sucks up and fills the four jugs with oil gets 100 dollars per jug. If everyone does so, it will have successfully removed 100 million gallons of oil from the golf at a cost of 10 billion dollars, which is half of the amount of money BP is putting in the ecrow account.

Posted by: Ben at June 16, 2010 02:13 PM (wuv1c)

100 try putting a cap on a fire hose while it is
turned on full.
a ton of pressure is coming out of this hole, you can't just drop
something on it, the pressure pushes it away before you can close it.

Posted by: Ben




If we can fake the moon landing we can put a dome over the leak. Besides, we would have the ability to relieve the pressure with the tube or pipe running to the surface. Or with a relief valve that could be closed once the dome is in place.

Posted by: Dr. Spank at June 16, 2010 02:13 PM (xO+6C)

101
I don't understand the whole "NUKE IT!" theory, makes no sense me. And anything the rooskies had to resort to in the name of 'fixing' something seems like a pretty crappy idea on it's face.

Posted by: Dang Straights at June 16, 2010 02:13 PM (tPnVB)

102 Remember when Obamacare was proclaimed DOA?

Posted by: TexasJew at June 16, 2010 02:14 PM (mY03/)

103 Cap Tax will be passed by the lame duck congress, probably in late December.

Merry Christmas!

Posted by: Ed Anger at June 16, 2010 02:14 PM (7+pP9)

104 Welcome back, Carter!
With Joe Biden as Horshack and Eric Holder as Epsteen.

Posted by: Curmudgeon at June 16, 2010 02:14 PM (ujg0T)

105 Also, if the giant funnel dome proved successful, we could have one or two pre-built for the next disaster.

Posted by: damian at June 16, 2010 02:14 PM (4WbTI)

106 Or the Senator could simply say, "We'll gladly deal with the President's other agenda items -- after the damn hole is plugged." And just keep repeating that simple statement, over and over.

Exactly. But that would be too simple and effective for our GOP elites. And they think they heard "boy" at the end of your suggestion.

Posted by: George Orwell at June 16, 2010 02:14 PM (AZGON)

107 The jug-eared idiot sent down Energy Secretary Steven Chu to deal with the oild leak. He's got a Nobel Prize, you know
Only its it's in physics...and it's for "for development of methods to cool and trap atoms with laser light".
That's like sending a proctologist in to do brain surgery.
If anyone is wondering why Bammie is trying to convince us that Chu's Nobel makes him automatically competent in all matters...remember who else has one.

Posted by: beedubya at June 16, 2010 02:15 PM (AnTyA)

108 I don't think a nuke is the answer. What if
something goes horribly wrong? Parts of the country will not be
habitable. People could die. People far from the hole could
die....it's just not a good idea especially since I heard a scientist on
Batchelor say last night that it could do good if done correctly but
has more of a chance of making everything worse.


Posted by: curious at June 16, 2010 02:08 PM (p302b)
What part of the country around the seafloor near the hole is currently habitable? We're not talking about a 10-megaton H-bomb, just a little tactical nuke with a yield of a few kilotons.The big problem is the time it would take to drill a big enough hole in the seabed to place the nuke properly.

Posted by: stuiec at June 16, 2010 02:15 PM (W+GYq)

109 Hahahhahahha Rush talking about a study that teen age boys eat a lot.....
this is funny.....boys eat....a lot....I could have told them that....and I would love to have had the thousands of dollars they got in grant money........

Posted by: curious at June 16, 2010 02:15 PM (p302b)

110 Instead of using nukes we should consider using chemical and biological weapons against the leak.

Posted by: Ben at June 16, 2010 02:16 PM (wuv1c)

111 -->I don't understand the whole "NUKE IT!" theory, makes
no sense me.

It seals the well bore.

-->And anything the rooskies had to resort to in the name of
'fixing' something seems like a pretty crappy idea on it's face.

Posted by: Dang Straights at June 16, 2010 02:13 PM (tPnVB)
That's true, but if they did it and it worked, more than once, then it's worth considering. We haven't even had it considered.

Posted by: progressoverpeace at June 16, 2010 02:16 PM (Qp4DT)

112 If we nuke it, Godzilla mayshowupand destroy Tokyo again.

Posted by: TexasJew at June 16, 2010 02:17 PM (mY03/)

113 Barack Obama in Alfonso Arau's masterpiece...

Like Oil For Chocolate

Posted by: George Orwell at June 16, 2010 02:17 PM (AZGON)

114 If we nuke it, Godzilla mayshowupand destroy Tokyo again.

I'm not seeing the downside here.

Posted by: curtis lemay at June 16, 2010 02:19 PM (4WbTI)

115 @110

Everyone knows the wisest course is to pursue negotiations with the oil leak. A summit at the UN would be helpful.

Posted by: Barack, Lord of the Flyswatters at June 16, 2010 02:19 PM (AZGON)

116 Nuking it is not an option too close to shore, we couldn't even evacuate NOLA for a hurricane, how do you suppose we will evacuate 4 states to a safe zone?

Posted by: 'Nam Grunt at June 16, 2010 02:19 PM (JZpX3)

117 69 Andrew Cuomo. Legendary f-up.
No one at DOE can make a decision. They are afraid they will get blamed if they make one so they never make one. The whole place is a giant cluster f.

Posted by: dagny at June 16, 2010 02:20 PM (DNCvM)

118 have we even checked to make sure this is infact a leak and not an underwater Sarlacc that drank a little too much over the past thousand years and now is letting out an epic vomit?

Posted by: Ben at June 16, 2010 02:21 PM (wuv1c)

119 I don't understand the whole "NUKE IT!" theory, makes no sense me. And anything the rooskies had to resort to in the name of 'fixing' something seems like a pretty crappy idea on it's face. Posted by: Dang Straights

Here's the argument laid out: Nuke the well.
Foster follows up on the responses here.

RE: detonation underwater:
"During operation Wigwam in the late '50s we detonated a 30-kiloton
device underwater at a depth of 2,000 feet. In 1971, we drilled a
90-inch hole 6,150 feet under the Aleutian Islands and exploded a 5 megaton
device. And that was 40 years ago. There is absolutely no reason to
think we couldnt hit the right spot with a small-yield device now. You
already have shafts running diagonal to the well the relief wells
that are both over a mile deep."

Been there, done that. It's a real, viable option.

Posted by: Garbonzo the Garrulous at June 16, 2010 02:22 PM (zgd5N)

120 How about if I just nip down to the Lizard Peoples underground city and ask them to turn off the oil... someone probably just left the spigot on by accident...

Posted by: Dr. Who at June 16, 2010 02:23 PM (OlHjR)

121 116 Nuking it is not an option too close to shore,
It's 50 miles out and a mile down

Posted by: beedubya at June 16, 2010 02:23 PM (AnTyA)

122 meanwhile was told on twitter by a friend that the evil bp is somehow preventing people from saving the turtles.....she is positively beside herself over it....and now really angry at bp. so I asked "well why don't you call the WH and tell them you want the turtles saved, BO will save your turtles"...still waiting for response...guess the talking points didn't include logic...

Posted by: curious at June 16, 2010 02:24 PM (p302b)

123 [works jaw] Godzirra!

Posted by: Barack the monster movie extra at June 16, 2010 02:25 PM (RD7QR)

124 Problem: It's a 120 degrees and Barack gets a flat tire in the desert, 30 miles from any services. He has five minutes left on his cell phone.

Solution: First call personal attorney to prepare paperwork for a lawsuit against the tire manufacturer. Then call Alxerod and instruct him to nominate some Nobel prize winner in literature to be the "Flat tire Czar" in order to be the eventual fall guy. Then, down to only 30 seconds on his cell phone, call Nancy Pelosi to prepare legislation requiring every American pay for (and carry at all times) portable solar powered air compressors by the year 2014.

Times up.

Problem solved.... the super genius Obama way.

Posted by: FreakyBoy at June 16, 2010 02:25 PM (uKraB)

125 112 If we nuke it, Godzilla mayshowupand destroy Tokyo again.
Posted by: TexasJew at June 16, 2010 02:17 PM (mY03/)
When we were stationed in Japan we took the train to take our son to go see Toyko Disneyland. Son of a gun if that train didn't cross that same bridge where Godzillapicks up the train and shakes it around. Well being the moron that I am, I looked around and asked whereGodzilla was. The other occupants of the train were not amused.

Posted by: Johnnyreb at June 16, 2010 02:25 PM (Mv/2X)

126 Barack Obama in Disney's sci-fi epic...

The Black Hole

Posted by: George Orwell at June 16, 2010 02:26 PM (AZGON)

127 NO MATH ON THE BLOG, BEEDUBYA.

Posted by: Pythago Rus at June 16, 2010 02:26 PM (sPO/s)

128 Barack Obama Stars with BP CEO Tony Hayward in a Spike Lee Joint
Get on the Bus

Posted by: garrett at June 16, 2010 02:27 PM (FtWwU)

129 My money's on Gamara.

Posted by: reason at June 16, 2010 02:27 PM (sPO/s)

130 Boehner:President Obama should not exploit this crisis to impose a job-killing national energy tax on struggling families and small businesses.

Posted by: Miss'80sBaby at June 16, 2010 02:27 PM (yfJ6g)

131 Well being the moron that I am, I
looked around and asked whereGodzilla was. The other occupants of the
train were not amused.

Posted by: Johnnyreb

Weird, huh. You must have been the first westerner to make that joke.

Posted by: Garbonzo the Garrulous at June 16, 2010 02:28 PM (zgd5N)

132 Barack Obama in Disney's sci-fi epic...





The Black Hole

Posted by: George Orwell at June 16, 2010 02:26 PM (AZGON)
RAAAAAAAAAACIST!!!! and disrespectful of the First Lady!

Posted by: stuiec at June 16, 2010 02:28 PM (W+GYq)

133 Posted by: Garbonzo the Garrulous at June 16, 2010 02:22 PM (zgd5N)
Yeppers... been talking about this since about day 5.
There are TWO relief wells being drilled... my guess from slightly different directions... so you place Tac nucs down those holes and detonate them at the same time. Pressure waves will seal a large portion of the well.

Posted by: Romeo13 at June 16, 2010 02:28 PM (OlHjR)

134 Hey, Bammie...who's going to pay for all your fuck ups??
..oh right...never mind

Posted by: beedubya at June 16, 2010 02:29 PM (AnTyA)

135 "Does a sports team have an old domed stadium it wants to get rid of? We could attach a couple of hundred blimps to it and fly it down to the Gulf."
Son of a bitch! I knew I should've held onto that old stadium for a while longer...

Posted by: Jerry Jones at June 16, 2010 02:31 PM (sPO/s)

136
Malisha knocked on the bathroom door this morning and poked her little head in and said, "Daddy, is Kendrick Perkins gonna play in game 7?"

That's how I know this leak is serious.

/fake tears

Posted by: Pezident Platitude at June 16, 2010 02:31 PM (uFokq)

137 Barack Obama in the classic epic of mobsters and oil drilling...

The Hole Nine Yards

Posted by: George Orwell at June 16, 2010 02:32 PM (AZGON)

138
I promised my daughter that The Man isn't gonna okie-doke her daddy and I will leave the Gulf in better shape than when I found it.

Posted by: Pezident Platitude at June 16, 2010 02:33 PM (uFokq)

139 There are TWO relief wells being drilled... my guess from slightly different directions... so you place Tac nucs down those holes and detonate them at the same time. Pressure waves will seal a large portion of the well.
After all this trouble we've had, wouldn't it be nice to actually get some use out of the reservoir?
Or should we just nuke it because we're pissed at it?

Posted by: huerfano at June 16, 2010 02:33 PM (rqC5o)

140 What he needs is a leading mathematician. A really good mathematician
can solve this in moments -- he will simply assume that the hole is
plugged.

I thought that was an old economist's joke.

Posted by: CUS at June 16, 2010 02:34 PM (wOGfT)

141 Yeah, I don't know... I'd modify scenario 2.

I think Barry and his team are isolated, out of touch, and suffocating in a Progressive/academic/Chicago machine political bubble and they are simply plowing away doing the only thing they know.

It's simple for them: Change the messaging. Reality doesn't matter. Group-think and The Narrative are the reality. It works with Progressives, and that's all that matters to them because that's all they know.

So, Mair, Kristin Powers, and ace are mostly correct, but Barry isn't trying to change the focus of attention to mitigate the perception that he's incompetent, he's simply treating the entire country like we are all are Progressives.

Posted by: runninrebel at June 16, 2010 02:34 PM (i3PJU)

142 See Zombie John Wayne and B. Hussein Obama in the remake of a classic; a tale of roughnecks fighting oil fires and politicians stroking their egos...

Holefighters

Posted by: George Orwell at June 16, 2010 02:35 PM (AZGON)

143 Barack Obama in the classic epic of mobsters and oil drilling...and golf.The Hole Nine Yards Holes

Fixed.

Posted by: huerfano at June 16, 2010 02:35 PM (rqC5o)

144 The biggest problem with nuking the well is that, if it works and seals the well, people will be enraged that no one in the feral government spoke about doing that and let the well spew oil into the gulf for months (along with not trying to contain the leaked oil and stopping the states from doing anything). Also, this will show a practical need and use for nuclear bombs - though that would just encourage Iran to claim that they need to build nukes in case some of their offshore wells (that they might drill some day) leak and we all know that The Precedent would jump on that opportunity to sell tons of nukes to Iran.

More importantly, though, Shannon Bream is showing a little cleavage. Damn, she is super-hot!

Posted by: progressoverpeace at June 16, 2010 02:35 PM (Qp4DT)

145 Godzilla was a pussy. The Japanese scientistkilled him with a packet of ordinary Alka-Seltzer. Not even a Cold Plus.
My money's on Gamera to plug the leak.

Posted by: Steven Chu, Nobel Laureate at June 16, 2010 02:35 PM (mY03/)

146 There are TWO relief wells being drilled... my
guess from slightly different directions... so you place Tac nucs down
those holes and detonate them at the same time. Pressure waves will
seal a large portion of the well.

Posted by: Romeo13 at June 16, 2010 02:28 PM (OlHjR)
Unless the pressure waves simply shatter all the rock over the oil dome -- and the whole thing comes up at once.

Posted by: stuiec at June 16, 2010 02:36 PM (W+GYq)

147 The independent 3rd party is actually the Fineberg guy who is Obama's pay czar but his independence is because he is doing it not in his capacity as Obama's govt guy.
Wrap your mind around that.
Rush says to watch who gets the money, like I said earlier today, it's gonna be the unions or his contributors.

Posted by: dagny at June 16, 2010 02:37 PM (DNCvM)

148 What do oil truthers beleive? Is Rush an oil truther?

Posted by: dr kill at June 16, 2010 02:37 PM (w9bVp)

149 Barack Obama Stars with BP CEO Tony Hayward in a Spike Lee Joint
Get on Underthe Bus

Posted by: Curmudgeon at June 16, 2010 02:38 PM (ujg0T)

150 LOL. The BP guy just called him "The Precedent".

Okay ... it was an accent thing, but that's good enough for me. He's accurate by chance.

Posted by: progressoverpeace at June 16, 2010 02:38 PM (Qp4DT)

151 Nuking the well, sitting as it is under a thick layer of plastic Jurassic salt would be almost as stupid as electing a weird little communist for President.

Posted by: TexasJew, Hellfighter at June 16, 2010 02:39 PM (mY03/)

152 I hear that the President is asking the Chinese for assistance. He wants them to send over the five brothers, specifically the one that can swallow the sea and the one whose neck cannot be cut. The first one will swallow the Gulf so that the other can go to the gusher and put his neck over it to stop the flow.

Posted by: stuiec at June 16, 2010 02:39 PM (W+GYq)

153 Nuking the well, sitting as it is under a thick layer of plastic Jurassic salt would be almost as stupid as electing a weird little communist for President.

And yet...

Posted by: huerfano at June 16, 2010 02:43 PM (rqC5o)

154 Barack Obama is more authentic than ever in his role as a mutant dinosaur battling right-wing internet villains in the spectacular production of...

Godzilla Vs. The Blog-Monster

Posted by: George Orwell at June 16, 2010 02:43 PM (AZGON)

155 How about lowering down a Trojan with a REALLY big reservoir tip?

Posted by: TexasJew, Hellfighter at June 16, 2010 02:43 PM (mY03/)

156 Problem: It's a 120 degrees and Barack gets a flat tire in the desert,
30 miles from any services. He has five minutes left on his cell phone.



Solution: First call personal attorney to prepare paperwork for a
lawsuit against the tire manufacturer. Then call Alxerod and instruct
him to nominate some Nobel prize winner in literature to be the "Flat
tire Czar" in order to be the eventual fall guy. Then, down to only 30
seconds on his cell phone, call Nancy Pelosi to prepare legislation
requiring every American pay for (and carry at all times) portable solar
powered air compressors by the year 2014.



Times up.



Problem solved.... the super genius Obama way.

More like:

1. Blame flat tire on evil Bush and do nothing for weeks.
2. Nominate radical communist professor as tire Czar.
3. Direct Pelosi to initiate legislation to create massive tax on air.
4. Direct Maxine Waters to give speech calling for nationalization of tire companies.
5. Direct Clyburn to call tires tools of the racist Republican Party.
6. Send Axelrod and Emanuel into the showers to poke fingers at people.

Posted by: Vic at June 16, 2010 02:46 PM (6taRI)

157 @155

Would it help if it were ribbed, or in rainbow colors?

Posted by: George Orwell at June 16, 2010 02:46 PM (AZGON)

158 Interesting statistic noted on The Fred Thompson Show today:

HALF A BILLION US TAX DOLLARS were spent researching the Alaskan Valdez spill damage control.

When will Obama at least note those results, let alone respond accordingly?!

Posted by: maverick muse at June 16, 2010 02:48 PM (H+LJc)

159 If only BP had tuned their cars and filled up their tires....

Posted by: TexasJew, Hellfighter at June 16, 2010 02:48 PM (mY03/)

160 All I can find is the plastic 1.75l jugs, should I fill it with pennies first?
Posted by: Dang Straights at June 16, 2010 01:38 PM (tPnVB)
If you can manage to fill that jug with penies, you're doing a damn sight better than most of the morons. Dang, I nominate you for Treasury Secretary if we ever get a competent administration. Your taxes are up to date, aren't they?

Posted by: RushBabe at June 16, 2010 02:48 PM (W8m8i)

161 How about lowering down a Trojan with a REALLY big reservoir tip?

Oil, condoms... this is actually getting more interesting than Sarah Palin's uterus.

Posted by: andi sullivan (LGBT) at June 16, 2010 02:48 PM (AZGON)

162 The assumption here is that you can plug the damn hole with legislation. I would pay to watch Congress try it.

Posted by: t-bird at June 16, 2010 02:49 PM (+09Z+)

163 That's like sending a proctologist in to do brain surgery.
If Retarded Barry ever needed brain surgery, then that would legitimately call for a proctologist.

Posted by: MikeO at June 16, 2010 02:50 PM (lBmZl)

164 Would it help if it were ribbed, or in rainbow
colors?

Posted by: George Orwell at June 16, 2010 02:46 PM (AZGON)
Each Goodyear blimp has a capacity of 1.4 million gallons. Unfortunately, the well seems to be blasting out more than 2 million gallons a day.

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Posted by: George Orwell at June 16, 2010 02:52 PM (AZGON)

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So isn't that going to get the oil to stop flowing.
It was enough to get the talking heads at MSNBC to stop worrying about whether Obama is up to the job.
Tamara Hall seems like she is about to go full C#ntessa Brewer about now.

Posted by: Mallamutt at June 16, 2010 02:53 PM (OWjjx)

170 Nuking the earth's subsurface rupture gushing oil is equivalent to the Sorcerer's Apprentice foolish solution to "do something, anything".

Utilize the half-billion dollar research already conducted to "be prepared".

Posted by: maverick muse at June 16, 2010 02:53 PM (H+LJc)

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Sorry Jerry, yours had that hole in the top.

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Posted by: Fritz at June 16, 2010 02:55 PM (GwPRU)

175 BP actually putting $20billion anywhere is just talk.

"Come and take it" from a bankrupt/dissolved corporation.

Hollow promises to buy time while funneling whatever value BP has into a newly incorporated identity.

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It was enough to get the talking heads at MSNBC to stop worrying about whether Obama is up to the job.

Apropos of Drew's earlier post, methinks it was premature. You will not hear anymore criticism of Barry from PMSNBC or the other MFM propaganda mills. They permitted themselves a temper tantrum last night, but now it's back to the business of ramming Pwecious Lord Barry down the world's holes. Uh, throats.

Posted by: George Orwell at June 16, 2010 02:57 PM (AZGON)

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MFM propaganda mills."

Check out Janet Daley @ the UK Telegraph
The British media despise Obama now that the love is lost.

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That was actually my first thought. Actually, my first thought was that BP was just going to buy out the problem for 20 billion. But, according to the Bamster, BP is still on the hook even after the 2- billion. Of course, the Bamster has been known to be fast and loose with his numbers (healthcare - anyone). Now, I am thinking they will just pay the 20 billion, tell everyone under the sun to go to the fund to get their money, watch for the next 10 years as the lawyers beat the hell out of each other to get their hands on that money, make profit for 10 years and then, if things go south, start the funneling/bankruptcy procedure. I really think the 20 billion is the purchase price to get them 10 years of peace.

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Hmm. You could wad it all up into a giant origami boulder and plunk it on the hole. Might work.

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The Brits are not the Americans, of course. However, give it another day and Barry will be the angelic hero again all over the American MFM.

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I really believe that the country as a whole isn't going to be distracted in any substantial way from the clear-and-present, growing and monstrous disaster of gushing oil.The din will roar above legislative endeavors for the future. DimWit's distraction won't have the power he thinks it will.
But if he starts pretending that what we really need to do is pass some legislation, he gets into a fight with convenient villains. He shifts the debate from one about his own incompetence into one about Republicans thwarting him.
And I think the "villains" would be the American people, not Republicans. The din will not subside. This "here and now" disaster puts the "disaster" of health care to shame in its intensity.
If I'm wrong, chalk it up to blondness.

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Holy...that is brilliant! Since they can't stop the leak, there will be fire for many months!

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What?

Posted by: B. H. Obama at June 16, 2010 03:09 PM (AZGON)

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Posted by: Jimmy Carter at June 16, 2010 03:10 PM (GwPRU)

189 Scenario 28: Okay, this time I've got it. We pass legislation making George W. Bush the CEO of BP, and them ask him why he hates black people so much.



Hello?

Posted by: B. H. Obama at June 16, 2010 03:12 PM (AZGON)

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Yeah, just like health care was dead about 600 times over. They'll force it through one way or the other.

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