Awesome! Check Out Obama's New Nominee to the Second Circuit Court of Appeals

You've got to be pretty hard core to fight against the death penalty in the case of an eight-time serial strangler (seven time rapist, too).

Especially when the rapist-murderer himself doesn't want to fight his execution any further.

You've got to be really hardcore to bully the guy's lawyer into signing a motion for a stay of execution that the client didn't want but you wanted to sign.

Admitted. Guilty as sin.

So why this fight for a rapist-murderer's life?

Obama's nominee thought he was the "least culpable" of all death row inmates, because, he feels, a tendency towards sexual sadism as he had should be a mitigating factor, not merely against the death penalty, but conviction, too.


You know who else is motivated by sexual sadism? All other serial killers in history.

But, you know, we can't even convict him; because he wanted to rape and strangle women to death proves he suffered from sexual sadism syndrome (or whatever) and therefore he's innocent. Must be -- if you have a desire to do this therefore you're too sick to punish therefore, effectively, it's not against the law to strange and rape eight women to death.

To commit the crime is de facto proof of innocence of the crime, in this guy's understanding of the law. If you commit serial rape and murder, you must have some sexual sadism tendencies, and therefore, of course, you don't have the necessary competency to be convicted and certainly not executed.


Posted by: Ace at 07:20 PM



Comments

1 So Kill him sadistically

Posted by: KZnextzone at May 26, 2010 07:22 PM (veaqz)

2 erm uh ah you have to understand as long as he is not killing liberal donors I really don't give a damn

Posted by: barack T. Ogabe esq at May 26, 2010 07:22 PM (r2yfZ)

3 Oh, not that son of a bitch. It was worse than just that. The guy wanted to be execute. And the judge threatened to have his atty disbarred for doing what his cliented wished.

Posted by: moi at May 26, 2010 07:25 PM (Ez4Ql)

4 Clip both the judge and the admitted rapist/murderer. Society has no place for either of them.

Posted by: Fa Cube Itches at May 26, 2010 07:25 PM (kmEfr)

5 He needs to be caged with a father raper.

Posted by: Arlo at May 26, 2010 07:26 PM (zIUsq)

6 WTF?

Read the last paragraph from the link (Michael Ross's own words). I don't want to post them here, but they will chill you to the bone. Evil and evil people do exist in this world!

And both need to be dealt with wherever found.

Judge Robert N. Chatigny doesn't deserve a place on the bench, he doesn't deserve a place in society for apologizing for such trash!

Posted by: Kratos (missing from the side of Mt Olympus) at May 26, 2010 07:26 PM (c0A3e)

7 yeah but , he's probably a Hahvad man .
Please someone , anyone, convince me that mere anarchy wouldn't be an improvement over our current legal system.

Posted by: awkward davies at May 26, 2010 07:26 PM (B4e7Q)

8 So I take it the guy didn't kill anyone important? None of the political class?

Posted by: Rat Patrol at May 26, 2010 07:27 PM (dQdrY)

9 This makes you just speechless.

Posted by: bill-tb at May 26, 2010 07:27 PM (y+QfZ)

10 Why the fuck would obama nominate him?

Ross became a brother - the kind that belongs in a monastery.

Posted by: moi at May 26, 2010 07:28 PM (Ez4Ql)

11 Fucking unbelievable.
Nothing else I can say.

Posted by: logprof at May 26, 2010 07:29 PM (Mmw0q)

12 I love money. So, if I kill for money, is that mitigation?

Posted by: moi at May 26, 2010 07:29 PM (Ez4Ql)

13 The killers name wasn't Will Folks Sr. was it?

Posted by: Dr. Spank at May 26, 2010 07:29 PM (sGwNK)

14 Judge, I have this 'compulsion' to kill idiot judges like you. I do hope you won't mind while I slice your throat open. Nothing personal.

Posted by: GarandFan at May 26, 2010 07:30 PM (6mwMs)

15 He is a graduate of Brown University and the Georgetown University Law Center.

Posted by: Rat Patrol at May 26, 2010 07:31 PM (dQdrY)

16 Sadly, nothing Obama does surprises me any more. He's a far left ideologue, hellbent on destroying an evil Amerikkka. This man is basically Obama, and Obama is him; they share the same ideology. It is just so scary though, that we can't do anything to stop all this because the Republicans are so darn weak. God help us all.

Posted by: runningrn at May 26, 2010 07:31 PM (CfmlF)

17 He's lying! He got confirmation that he was competent to waive his appeals.

Posted by: moi at May 26, 2010 07:31 PM (Ez4Ql)

18 I like the cut of this judges jib.

Posted by: Will Folks at May 26, 2010 07:32 PM (pUfK9)

19 The Era of Stupidtm
Judges are shrinks.

Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at May 26, 2010 07:32 PM (jUAR/)

20 He's a shoo-in.

Look at Obama's Cabinet, for heavens sakes!

How is this guy any different?

Same arrogance, same incompetence, same silver-spoon-fed never done a damn thing for himself because that's for the little people mentality.

Posted by: TXMarko at May 26, 2010 07:33 PM (bEOD5)

21 The stupid... it burns!!!

Posted by: brian at May 26, 2010 07:34 PM (y05cf)

22 But can you prove that his raping and murdering was actually a crime?

Posted by: Seattle Stupid at May 26, 2010 07:35 PM (oVQFe)

23
Fellas, we need to do the polite thing and approve this guy. Keep our powder dry, don't die on this hill, etc., etc.,.


/sarc

Posted by: Dang Straights at May 26, 2010 07:35 PM (fx8sm)

24 Gee, and my mood is getting so much better. What the fuck country am I living in? This judge went to extraordinary means to usurp his duties. Judges are limited in their duties believe it or not. Un-fucking-believable.

Posted by: Samuel Adams at May 26, 2010 07:36 PM (nxUYP)

25 Fah... Fah... FILIBUSTER

Posted by: tmi3rd at May 26, 2010 07:36 PM (WRtsc)

26 Didn't you wingnuts hear? The Constitution is a suicide pact. We homicided the old pact.

Posted by: Judge Robert N. Chatigny at May 26, 2010 07:37 PM (EnE4+)

27 I'm always trying to tell people this:

lwop is not worse than the DP.
They get off day dreaming and jacking off to their murders. They also swap stories and their experiences with the other perverts in prison.

You really think its right for some guys to rape, torture, and murder your kid and he and others jack off to it for the rest of their lives until they die of old age?

Posted by: moi at May 26, 2010 07:37 PM (Ez4Ql)

28 Raping and murdering aren't real crimes, but any Republican rumored to have had an affair should be executed on the spot.

Posted by: Seattle Slew at May 26, 2010 07:38 PM (rSoCo)

29 Gentlemen, there are dozens of legitimate contentious issues with Obama and his policies. Don't focus on these distractions.

Posted by: more sarc at May 26, 2010 07:38 PM (G60Nl)

30
But can you prove that his raping and murdering was actually a crime?

Yeah, how can you really tell. I mean seriously, could it be possible that the women "victims" enjoyed being raped? Maybe they just objected to being murdered.

Posted by: Sheattle Slew at May 26, 2010 07:38 PM (nxUYP)

31 And the Frums of the press wonder why Bennett et al lose primary challenges? Because we have got to have people who will say HELL NO to crap like this.

Posted by: Palerider at May 26, 2010 07:39 PM (dkExz)

32 This judge sounds eminently qualified.

Posted by: Lyndsey Grahamnesty at May 26, 2010 07:39 PM (rSoCo)

33 Liberals are for murder, rape and pedophilia. That's my view and I'm sticking to it unless I am proved otherwise.

Posted by: Samuel Adams at May 26, 2010 07:40 PM (nxUYP)

34 Dang Straights@23,

Early Thread Winner, Cynical Reality division.

Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at May 26, 2010 07:40 PM (EnE4+)

35 Oh God. That video made me sick.

Look, I am personally opposed to the death penalty. But it's douchebag judges and weeping liberals like this that give the anti-death-penalty crowd a bad name. My Lord how did a guy like this even make it to the bench in the first place?

Posted by: chemjeff at May 26, 2010 07:41 PM (tJ4Ym)

36 Looks like Clinton nominated him too. Funny. Dick Blumenthal (L-iar Viet Nam) called him dangerous.

Posted by: kansas at May 26, 2010 07:43 PM (2kVkH)

37 I'd pardon him.

Posted by: Mike Huckabee at May 26, 2010 07:43 PM (p0d2a)

38 Wow, I just watched the video. You have the killer saying "I only killed 8 people, that's nothing compared to some of the other guys here." And talking about how after each murder,he would masturbateso muchas he relived the episode til he got sores on his penis. Yet this Judge who only apologizes for "his words" still believes he did the right thing. It makes me wonder what kind of skeletons the judge has in his closet as he inappropriately went and visited the guy in prison and forced the dude's attorney to appeal the appeal that was granted against the judge's ruling. I would love to hear what the family members of the victims have to say about this guy. And yes, this is who the Democrat party is. Liberalism is a mental disorder.

Posted by: runningrn at May 26, 2010 07:43 PM (CfmlF)

39 lwop is not worse than the DP. They get off day dreaming and jacking off to their murders. They also swap stories and their experiences with the other perverts in prison. You really think its right for some guys to rape, torture, and murder your kid and he and others jack off to it for the rest of their lives until they die of old age?
Posted by: moi at May 26, 2010 07:37 PM (Ez4Ql)
They get to communicate with the outside world. Sometimes those communications reach the loved ones of their victims.
They get to wait for the day when some court decides that "without parole" is cruel and unusual punishment, and then they get to look forward to their parole hearings where they can torment the victims' families even more.
They get to commit additional crimes in prison -- rape and murder of other inmates or of guards.
Richard Speck, the Chicago nurse-killer, kept a video diary of his later years as a "trustee" inmate. He had a grand time, running drugs and getting ready for gender reassignment (while keeping his boyfriend happy). As far as I am aware, his victims did not enjoy their time in the grave nearly as much.

Posted by: stuiec at May 26, 2010 07:43 PM (7AOgy)

40 OMG! Did you see the creases in this guys pants? Wowza!

Posted by: David Brooks at May 26, 2010 07:44 PM (CfmlF)

41 Yeah, how can you really tell. I mean seriously, could it be possible that the women "victims" enjoyed being raped? Maybe they just objected to being murdered.
Posted by: Sheattle Slew at May 26, 2010 07:38 PM (nxUYP)
The only sure way to know is to ask the murdered victims. And remember: "Silence implies consent."

Posted by: stuiec at May 26, 2010 07:45 PM (7AOgy)

42 Boy, that Jugears can really pick em. From hisappointments you would think he is a sinister chickenshit. I'm sure that's not the case.

Posted by: Ronster at May 26, 2010 07:45 PM (tAmmU)

43 My Lord how did a guy like this even make it to the bench in the first place?

Posted by: chemjeff at May 26, 2010 07:41 PM (tJ4Ym)
He like the taste of cock. Duh.

Posted by: Editor at May 26, 2010 07:46 PM (pUfK9)

44 I sure hope the Republicans make a big show of this confirmation hearing. Play ALL this nasty shit into the record. Make the Democrats on the Committee OWN this guy come election day.

Posted by: Trimegistus at May 26, 2010 07:46 PM (LvhBv)

45 Look, I am personally opposed to the death penalty.
Posted by: chemjeff at May 26, 2010 07:41 PM (tJ4Ym)


If a man meets a woman and gets her to get into his car and then takes her to a private place and then rapes and brutally murders her, then you multiply that 5, 10, 15, 50 times, that would still not be a relevant case for execution? How about the shop owner and his daughter who while being robbed are taken into the back room of the shop and shot in the head. Do you think they should be spared the death penalty? Chemjeff, I know you are a straight shooter, but even your opinions must have limits.

Posted by: Samuel Adams at May 26, 2010 07:47 PM (nxUYP)

46 Looks like Clinton nominated him too. Funny. Dick Blumenthal (L-iar Viet Nam) called him dangerous.

Posted by: kansas at May 26, 2010 07:43 PM (2kVkH)
See, this would bolster my question: Who are they REALLY trying to push through? This guy is a ruse. They never expected him to get pushed through. Nope - he's there to make someone else look less extreme.

Posted by: Editor at May 26, 2010 07:47 PM (pUfK9)

47 Wow, unbelievable ... I'm calling my Senators tomorrow to vote no on Chatigny. If he still gets promoted, at least I did my part in stopping him. :-(

Posted by: incognito at May 26, 2010 07:48 PM (u6X4c)

48 WTF!

I should be shocked.. but really.. after 16 months, nothing shocks me anymore about this administration. Nothing.

Posted by: Timbo at May 26, 2010 07:48 PM (7GgDy)

49 44
I sure hope the Republicans make a big show of this confirmation
hearing. Play ALL this nasty shit into the record. Make the Democrats
on the Committee OWN this guy come election day.

Yeah I remember the smear job that the Democrats made of nominees like Pickering. And that wasn't even true. Well, revenge is a bitch and this time we have the truth on our side.

Posted by: chemjeff at May 26, 2010 07:48 PM (tJ4Ym)

50 So it isn't Will Folks, then?

Posted by: andycanuck at May 26, 2010 07:48 PM (7b1Uc)

51 Chemjeff, I know you are a straight shooter, but even your opinions must have limits.

Posted by: Samuel Adams at May 26, 2010 07:47 PM (nxUYP)
He's afraid they don't have Hello Kitty in hell.

Posted by: Chemjeff's PR Machine at May 26, 2010 07:49 PM (pUfK9)

52 #35 My Lord how did a guy like this even make it to the bench in the first
place?

Good question, let's see what that fountain of knowledge, wiki, says.

He has served on the court from 1994 to the present. Judge Chatigny was
nominated to the court by President Bill Clinton August 5, 1994,

Posted by: Kratos (missing from the side of Mt Olympus) at May 26, 2010 07:49 PM (c0A3e)

53 #51 He's afraid they don't have Hello Kitty in hell.
Dude, who do you think invented Hello Kitty?

Posted by: Kratos (missing from the side of Mt Olympus) at May 26, 2010 07:50 PM (c0A3e)

54 Yeah I remember the smear job that the Democrats made of nominees like Pickering. And that wasn't even true. Well, revenge is a bitch and this time we have the truth on our side.

chem, I take your Pickering and raise you one Miguel Estrada.

Posted by: runningrn at May 26, 2010 07:50 PM (CfmlF)

55 Amazing.

Posted by: SarahW at May 26, 2010 07:51 PM (Z4T49)

56 Look, I am personally opposed to the death penalty. But it's douchebag judges and weeping liberals like this that give the anti-death-penalty crowd a bad name. My Lord how did a guy like this even make it to the bench in the first place?
Posted by: chemjeff at May 26, 2010 07:41 PM (tJ4Ym)
Douchebag judges and weeping liberals are the only tools the anti-death-penalty crowd has to actually stop any given execution. They can't rely on the democratic process, because solid majorities of Americans still support the death penalty. So they turn to undemocratic means to overrule the will of the people -- "by any means necessary" really does mean "by ANY means necessary."

Posted by: stuiec at May 26, 2010 07:51 PM (7AOgy)

57 Obama might not be running the most inept Administration in our history (cf. Carter), nor the most evil (Wilson), and maybe not even the most self-destructive (Buchanan). He's definitely running the table in those categories' top five, though, and he's not even half done with his first term yet.

Obama's angle appears to be evangelical nihilism. Not only does he have no moral rudder - any Clinton can be amoral - but he believes that a moral rudder on anybody else is a form of bigotry.

Posted by: Zimriel at May 26, 2010 07:51 PM (62P5L)

58 Some people are just fucked up. I feel about them the way I feel about rabid dogs - unfortunate, but you've just got to put them down. They are NOT going to get better. It's just not going to happen, no matter how much the touchy-feely people boost up their self-esteem.

Posted by: AngelEm, misanthrope at May 26, 2010 07:51 PM (Aq93A)

59 Dude, who do you think invented Hello Kitty?

Wherestherum?

Posted by: runningrn at May 26, 2010 07:51 PM (CfmlF)

60 http://goo.gl/1opZ

Two of his victims were only 14 years old.

Posted by: moi at May 26, 2010 07:51 PM (Ez4Ql)

61 So, is the judge opposed to the death penalty or is he empathic to serial killers?

I"m confused.

Posted by: mpur in Texas (kicking Mexico's ass since 1836) at May 26, 2010 07:52 PM (iBTj9)

62 Obama's angle appears to be evangelical nihilism. Not only does he have no moral rudder - any Clinton can be amoral - but he believes that a moral rudder on anybody else is a form of bigotry.

Wow, well put Zim!

Posted by: runningrn at May 26, 2010 07:52 PM (CfmlF)

63 #59Dude, who do you think invented Hello Kitty?

Wherestherum?
lol! The Lord of Darkness has many names and can take on many forms.

Posted by: Kratos (missing from the side of Mt Olympus) at May 26, 2010 07:52 PM (c0A3e)

64 To commit the crime is de facto proof of innocence of the crime,
in this guy's understanding of the law.

Yep, this is how the left looks at things. But, we should consider ourselves lucky. Not many people in history get to live through the total disintegration of an advanced, wealthy, free society totally of its own accord. You just don't see national suicides like this very often.

Suicide by Indonesian Imbecile.

A cautionary tale to all for the next two millenia. And we are there!

Posted by: progressoverpeace at May 26, 2010 07:53 PM (Qp4DT)

65 So, is the judge opposed to the death penalty or is he empathic to serial killers?I"m confused.

Posted by: mpur in Texas (kicking Mexico's ass since 1836) at May 26, 2010 07:52 PM (iBTj9)
He's empathetic to sexual sadists. You see, it means he is one. Or has some other sexual perversion. This is the way he justifies his own perversion.
You can see it in his eyes. He is a fucking creep.

Posted by: Editor at May 26, 2010 07:53 PM (pUfK9)

66 Ross was executed on May 13, 2005.

District Court jurist Robert Chatigny
has found himself much in the news with Michael Ross since he was
nominated by President Barack Obama for a seat on the Second Circuit
Court of Appeals. That nomination has been held up thus far largely because Chatigny berated and threatened Rosss
attorney (the one who was trying to get his client executed) with
disbarment.

Posted by: incognito at May 26, 2010 07:53 PM (u6X4c)

67 "Two of his victims were only 14 years old."

I have 16, 13, and 8 year old daughters.

Let him out. I'll kill him myself.

Posted by: AngelEm, misanthrope at May 26, 2010 07:54 PM (Aq93A)

68 Judges are shrinks.
Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at May 26, 2010 07:32 PM (jUAR/)
I think the M'Naughton Rule still stands: if you're unable by reason of disease or mental defect to tell right from wrong, you cannot be held legally guilty of a crime. But a sexual sadist who engages in serial rape and murder knows that what he's doing is wrong: he just doesn't care enough to give up the pleasure he derives from his hobby. Criminality is not per se a mental disease.

Posted by: stuiec at May 26, 2010 07:54 PM (7AOgy)

69 http://goo.gl/1opZ

Let's see if I can make a link this time.

Posted by: moi at May 26, 2010 07:54 PM (Ez4Ql)

70 Samuel Adams, the reason I'm opposed to the death penalty is for purely libertarian reasons:
1. I do not trust the state will only execute the guilty 100% of the times in which the death penalty is applied.
2. The state's power gradually increases in time and with it also grows the list of crimes for which the death penalty becomes eligible. Think: sedition.

It has nothing to do with "sympathy for the criminal" or "the injustices of society". If I had my druthers I'd throw the serial rapist scum like Ross into hard labor camps. He looked pretty pudgy in that video; that wouldn't happen at Chemjeff Penitentiary. They'd all be thin.

Posted by: chemjeff at May 26, 2010 07:55 PM (tJ4Ym)

71 Today we're getting a showpiece mosque in Lower Manhattan and a sexual sadist loving judge for the Second Circuit. I can hardly wait for tomorrow.
When did the entire world go mad, anyway?

Posted by: Cicero at May 26, 2010 07:55 PM (QKKT0)

72 At least the piece-of-shit murderer was finally executed on Friday, May 13, 2005, by lethal injection.
His victims:
Dzung Ngoc Tu, 25, a Cornell University student, murdered by Ross on May 12, 1981.
Paula Perrera, 16, of Wallkill, N.Y., murdered by Ross in March 1982.
Tammy Williams, 17, of Brooklyn, Conn. murdered by Ross on Jan. 5, 1982.
Debra Smith Taylor, 23, of Griswold, murdered by Ross on June 15, 1982. Robin Stavinksy, 19, of Norwich, murdered by Ross in November 1983.
April Brunias, 14, of Griswold, murdered by Ross on April 22, 1984.
Leslie Shelley, 14, of Griswold, murdered by Ross on April 22, 1984.
Wendy Baribeault, 17, of Griswold, murdered by Ross on June 13, 1984.
There really isn't anything that I can say about this judge that wouldn't get me disbarred if anyone in authority heard it.

Posted by: Sharkman at May 26, 2010 07:55 PM (Zj8fM)

73 More apathy and cancer than suicide I think. Still gonna lead to death.

Posted by: Rat Patrol at May 26, 2010 07:55 PM (dQdrY)

74 If the GOP can't pick this one off and run it back for a touchdown, they never will.
Just the facts of this case are enough to disqualify the judge's concept of justice. And once he's in he's in for BAD, he can't be repealed like legislation.
What an outrageous slap in the face to victims' families.
The precedent wants to overload the executive and judicial branches with hardcore leftist sickos while at the same time asking republican senators to compromise with him.
That's some pretty stylish transparency for the justice system.

Posted by: ontherocks at May 26, 2010 07:55 PM (HBqDo)

75 I am now (more than ever) convinced that the havoc and destruction this President is exacting upon this nation is deliberate, and with malice aforethought.

Posted by: Soap MacTavish at May 26, 2010 07:55 PM (554T5)

76
Obama's angle appears to be
evangelical
nihilism. Not only does he have no moral rudder - any Clinton can be
amoral - but he believes that a moral rudder on anybody else is a form
of bigotry.





Wow, well put Zim!


Posted by: runningrn at May 26, 2010 07:52 PM (CfmlF)


I second that!


Posted by: progressoverpeace at May 26, 2010 07:56 PM (Qp4DT)

77 Bork him.

Posted by: dananjcon at May 26, 2010 07:56 PM (I2jFv)

78 Oh...

My...

God...

That's where he desperately needed to go.

That is the only refuge of justice....peace.... for crimes so horrid.

Posted by: MikeTheMoose at May 26, 2010 07:57 PM (0q2P7)

79 I agree ontherocks, this is Prime Opportunity #1 for the Grand Old Party Party of Stupid. Let's see what they do with it.

Posted by: chemjeff at May 26, 2010 07:58 PM (tJ4Ym)

80 He seems to be one of us. Especially his quote about..
Who hasn't strangled a hobo to make jerky, or masturbated 'til they bled?....OK, the rape of innocent women was wrong...but....".

Posted by: hutch1200 at May 26, 2010 07:58 PM (Ig31j)

81 Even I find that judge repulsive!

Posted by: Hello Kitty! at May 26, 2010 07:59 PM (tJ4Ym)

82 Think about this: if Chatigny is confirmed to the 2nd Circuit Court of Appeals, guess what cases he would be asked to hear? The Times Square Wouldbebomber. Mohammed Zazi. And, if Obama and Holder ever get their fondest desire, KSM -- maybe even Osama Bin Laden.
I wonder what legal theory the Judge would invent to prove that those last two eminent individuals were not worthy of the death penalty.

Posted by: stuiec at May 26, 2010 08:00 PM (7AOgy)

83 Cicero: "When did the entire world go mad, anyway?"

Mad? hard to say. Mad-mad? November of '08. And I'm afraid it's terminal.

Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at May 26, 2010 08:00 PM (EnE4+)

84 Seriously, my rage just makes my head spin so much, that all I can do is joke about the man. I shall pray for the victims tonight..

Posted by: hutch1200 at May 26, 2010 08:01 PM (Ig31j)

85 What the Hell!!? Why don't we just let this guy sit in a cell and paint us some wicked Outsider Art? Serial Killer art is hip. How 'bout a painting of Ross, Pogo the Clown and Chatigny raping each other at Disneyland? Holy Shit.

Posted by: Joanie (Oven Gloves) at May 26, 2010 08:01 PM (wd0Iq)

86 From Icognito's link:
After his uncle committed suicide the job of killing sick and malformed chickens became eight-year-old Michael's responsibility. He would strangle the chickens with his hands. As Michael got older, more of the farm responsibilities became his and by the time he was in high school his father depended a lot on Ross' help. Michael loved farm life and met his responsibilities while also attending high school. With a high IQ of 122, balancing school with farm life was manageable.
Ross' College Years:
In 1977, Ross entered Cornell University and studied agricultural economics.

Hmm, chicken choker who attended Cornell for Ag...sound familiar? Makes you wonder about Keith, huh?

Posted by: runningrn at May 26, 2010 08:01 PM (CfmlF)

87 Most states have gotten rid of the electric chair and replaced it with putting the condemned killer in a room with Will Forks.

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at May 26, 2010 08:01 PM (P33XN)

88 But, you know, we can't even convict him; because he wanted to rape and
strangle women to death proves he suffered from sexual sadism syndrome
(or whatever) and therefore he's innocent.

Of course he's innocent! Didn't you see our ripped from the headlines episode where the detectives find out that he killed all those women because rich white REPUBLICAN pharmaceutical companies wouldn't give him free medication?

Posted by: Law & Order writers at May 26, 2010 08:02 PM (sYxEE)

89 #83 Mad? hard to say. Mad-mad? November of '08. And I'm afraid it's
terminal.

Agreed, although the madness has been building up for a long time prior to November '08.

Posted by: Kratos (missing from the side of Mt Olympus) at May 26, 2010 08:02 PM (c0A3e)

90 I wonder what legal theory the Judge would invent to prove that those last two eminent individuals were not worthy of the death penalty.


Death penalty! That judge didn't even think that Ross should have been convicted!

Posted by: runningrn at May 26, 2010 08:03 PM (CfmlF)

91 1. I do not trust the state will only execute the guilty 100% of the times in which the death penalty is applied.
Posted by: chemjeff at May 26, 2010 07:55 PM (tJ4Ym)
The State arms its police forces. I know for a fact that the police do not use deadly force only against the guilty 100% of the time -- in fact, oddly enough, the police use deadly force against only the ACCUSED almost 100% of the time, without the right of appeal. Why is is proper for police to be armed and allowed to kill in the name of the State but not proper for the State to execute those found guilty of capital crimes and given the right of appeal?

Posted by: stuiec at May 26, 2010 08:03 PM (7AOgy)

92 Who is this Phil Warts guy everyone keeps mentioning?

Posted by: Rat Patrol at May 26, 2010 08:03 PM (dQdrY)

93 Why'd I do it? Because I was just REALLY, REALLY HORNY you're Honor. Can't you FUCKING UNDERSTAND THAT?

Posted by: Dr. Amy Fucking Bishop at May 26, 2010 08:04 PM (VXBR1)

94 Editor @ 46:

Nope - he's there to make someone else look less extreme.

That was my first thought when I heard of this. But that might be overly clever thinking. The truth is, they just live in some completely different moral universe.

Posted by: Skookumchuk at May 26, 2010 08:04 PM (btzPD)

95 Wow.


I cannot recall many others who so desperately needed to be returned to the OEM for obvious lack of calibration.

Posted by: MikeTheMoose at May 26, 2010 08:04 PM (0q2P7)

96 I hope I get this dude.

Posted by: R. Polanski at May 26, 2010 08:04 PM (EL+OC)

97 I'm just so done with this President.

Seriously.

Can it be 2012 soon?

Posted by: Mary Beth at May 26, 2010 08:05 PM (JPEqm)

98 Hey you jug-eared douchebag, how about nominating someone who has empathy for the fucking victims??
Just a thought.

Posted by: Jay Guevara at May 26, 2010 08:05 PM (y130a)

99
Axelrod's prototype, Deval Patrick, tried very hard to get parole for a vicious murderer.

These people are scum.

HOW ARE WE LOSING TO THESE SUBHUMANS?


Posted by: Mr Peebles at May 26, 2010 08:05 PM (ouySy)

100 But, you know, we can't even convict him; because he wanted to rape and strangle women to death proves he suffered from sexual sadism syndrome (or whatever) and therefore he's innocent

This is what kills me. Here the liberals are supposed to be about standing up for the rights of women. How about the rights of women to not be raped and not be killed? According to this douchebag judge, no sex offender/murderer of women should be convicted of any crime because they suffer from sexual sadism syndrome. How can any Senator vote yes on this asshole? Should we all email them this video?

Posted by: runningrn at May 26, 2010 08:06 PM (CfmlF)

101 Now the dumbasses in Conn. want to get rid of the death penalty to save these creeps:

According to police investigators, Steven Hayes, a 44-year-old career criminal, and Joshua Komisarjevsky, a 26-year-old professional burglar, invaded the Cheshire, Connecticut home of the Pettit family while the entire family was in it. They brutally beat Dr. William Petit unconscious and left him for dead in the basement and they raped his wife Jennifer and their eleven-year-old daughter Michaela. Then they strangled Mrs. Petit and tied Michaela and her seventeen-year-old sister Hayley to their beds before setting the house on fire. The girls were burned alive; Dr. Petit managed to drag himself out of the house to be the lone survivor of the carnage.

It makes me sick when these DP opponents pretend to be so above everyone else and give us this b.s. that all life is sooooo precious.

Posted by: moi at May 26, 2010 08:06 PM (Ez4Ql)

102
Why'd I do it? Because I was just REALLY, REALLY HORNY you're Honor.
Can't you FUCKING UNDERSTAND THAT?

The flip side of 'hate' crime, the 'love' crime gets a reduced sentence - just to be consistent and all...

Posted by: Druid at May 26, 2010 08:06 PM (Oe01r)

103 That's some catch, that Catch-22.

Posted by: Anachronda at May 26, 2010 08:06 PM (3K4hn)

104 You know who else is a sexual sadist?
A certain court nominee. Guarenteed

(I'm not evil!! see? even this serial killer wasn't punished for thesick things I dream about)

Posted by: Little Orenthal at May 26, 2010 08:06 PM (9vQ7f)

105 What? Ross is a Republican? Why didn't anyone tell me? Hang the fucker! Right now!

Posted by: Robert Chatigny at May 26, 2010 08:07 PM (y130a)

106 What's the over/under that the FemiNazis won't say one damn thing about this?


Posted by: blindside at May 26, 2010 08:07 PM (vT9Nl)

107 HOW ARE WE LOSING TO THESE SUBHUMANS?

Because the American voter is more enthralled with watching Dancing w/teh Stars then knowing who they vote for.

Posted by: Barbarian at May 26, 2010 08:07 PM (EL+OC)

108 You know what else is crazy?
Alice Cooper doing a guest appearance on Idol and performing a singalong with the little bastards on stage.

Posted by: jmflynny at May 26, 2010 08:08 PM (AFdck)

109 HOW ARE WE LOSING TO THESE SUBHUMANS?
Posted by: Mr Peebles at May 26, 2010 08:05 PM (ouySy
Apathy and rust.

Posted by: Rat Patrol at May 26, 2010 08:08 PM (dQdrY)

110 stuiec, briefly, I support the right of the police to defend themselves, and to defend others, with deadly force if necessary, which is the same as I believe every citizen should have.

Posted by: chemjeff at May 26, 2010 08:08 PM (tJ4Ym)

111 This is nothing, folks!
Watch me pardon Mumia Abu-Jamaland Leonard Peltier!
You're heads are gonna splode!

Posted by: Barry Obama at May 26, 2010 08:09 PM (P33XN)

112 That judge is one sick man, for excusing the behaviour of this animal, who can so casually discuss rape murder. Throw the judge off the bench, then execute the sick raping, murderous bastard he's trying to protect.

Posted by: Miss'80sBaby at May 26, 2010 08:09 PM (yfJ6g)

113 >>>That's a good catch, that Catch-22.

Best there is.

Posted by: Doc Daneeka at May 26, 2010 08:10 PM (66DVY)

114 106
What's the over/under that the FemiNazis won't say one damn thing about
this?

Vegas doesn't take money on sure bets.

When have the FemiNazis ever taken up a cause that wasn't in opposition to a Republican/Conservative idea?

Posted by: Kratos (missing from the side of Mt Olympus) at May 26, 2010 08:10 PM (c0A3e)

115 Chatigny is right. Cut Ross some slack. Bitches asked for it.

Posted by: National Organization of Women at May 26, 2010 08:10 PM (y130a)

116 During the campaign when it came to light that Obama opposed the born alive infant protection act it was obvious what he was. When you hold human life cheaply there is no end to the atrocities you can excuse or applaud. This should make everyone very afraid. Just because these decisions are couched in legal theory, it does not make their holding life cheaply any less frightening or predictable.

I nominate Chris Christie for every judgeship in America. There might be a backlog but at least we know the decisions will be right.

Posted by: dagny at May 26, 2010 08:10 PM (FzDFW)

117 "Douchebag judges and weeping liberals are the only tools the anti-death-penalty crowd has to actually stop any given execution. They can't rely on the democratic process, because solid majorities of Americans still support the death penalty. So they turn to undemocratic means to overrule the will of the people -- "by any means necessary" really does mean "by ANY means necessary.""


Oh, man ain't that the truth. They tell so many lies about the DP. Every damn prisoner is innocent. The latest is this guy Skinner. He posts all but the most incriminating stuff on his website. Anybody can download them and read them. They don't. They just declare him innocent. If they read them they would know that he is lying his ass off.

Posted by: moi at May 26, 2010 08:10 PM (Ez4Ql)

118 Tell me again, you folks like John McCain and Michael Medved and Bill Bennett, about how an Obama Presidency is nothing to fear, how he really wants the best for America, how he's really a traditional liberal. Tell me again how tasty that dinner was at George Will's house when Teleprompter Jeebus was elected.

Posted by: George Orwell at May 26, 2010 08:10 PM (XbgNo)

119 Samuel Adams, the reason I'm opposed to the death penalty is for purely
libertarian reasons:

What about a)confession b)dna proof c)eyewitness accounts d)...
I am a conservative libertarian as well, but even I have limits. Look, I was a cop for 10 years, and I have seen these crime scenes working in a city of 360,000. In '92 a serial killer called the I-35 killer passed through here to murder two women in a bridal shop, I was one of the first officers on the scene of that crime. Two women shot in the back of the head after being put in the back room. Also, not to mention the BTK killer. Sometimes, bad people deserve killing. As long as it is obvious that they did it, the state should be allowed to kill them. Besides, libertarians are really big into states rights.

Posted by: Samuel Adams at May 26, 2010 08:11 PM (nxUYP)

120
Then Washington and all the state's state houses needs an enema.

Posted by: Mr Peebles at May 26, 2010 08:11 PM (ouySy)

121 HOW ARE WE LOSING TO THESE SUBHUMANS?Posted by: Mr Peebles at May 26, 2010 08:05 PM (ouySy)Suicidal, out-of-control white guilt and some rock hard stupidity.

Posted by: progressoverpeace at May 26, 2010 08:12 PM (Qp4DT)

122 Watch me pardon Mumia Abu-Jamaland Leonard Peltier!
Phew! Just pardon 'em? We're getting off easy. I thought you were going to appoint them to your Cabinet.

Posted by: Jay Guevara at May 26, 2010 08:12 PM (y130a)

123 63 Wherestherum?lol! The Lord of Darkness has many names and can take on many forms. _______________
Yeah, but the Lord of Darkness probably already knows where the rum is.

Posted by: Anachronda at May 26, 2010 08:12 PM (3K4hn)

124
http://www.hankskinner.com/

Posted by: moi at May 26, 2010 08:12 PM (Ez4Ql)

125 I think that if you put Ross and this judge in the same room with the men who wrote our Constitution and showed them that video, they would not hesitate to execute both men. Themselves. On the spot.

Posted by: mpur in Texas (kicking Mexico's ass since 1836) at May 26, 2010 08:13 PM (iBTj9)

126 One word for the anti-death penalty crowd: recitivism.

Posted by: dagny at May 26, 2010 08:14 PM (FzDFW)

127 oh god, is that douchebag Peltier still kicking?
how old is he by now?

Posted by: chemjeff at May 26, 2010 08:15 PM (tJ4Ym)

128 Obama must be unaware of this mother fuckers LIBTARD record.
He wouldn't put someone like that into an important position, like SAFE SCHOOLS CZAR.

Posted by: gus at May 26, 2010 08:15 PM (Vqruj)

129 Themselves. On the spot.
Posted by: mpur in Texas (kicking Mexico's ass since 1836) at May 26, 2010 08:13 PM (iBTj9)
We can bring back the Code Duello with the new Republic.
Makes for a more polite society.

Posted by: Rat Patrol at May 26, 2010 08:16 PM (dQdrY)

130 I'm proud to say that my state, Virginia, kills more criminals than any other state but Texas.

Posted by: dagny at May 26, 2010 08:16 PM (FzDFW)

131 briefly, I support the right of the police to defend themselves, and to defend others, with deadly force if necessary, which is the same as I believe every citizen should have.
You're halfway there. Now replace "police" and "citizen" with society, and expand the time horizon to include defense after the fact, and you're there.
Bottom line: some people have got to - and will - die. All we're doing now is deciding whether they'll be the future victims or the present perpetrators.

Posted by: Jay Guevara at May 26, 2010 08:16 PM (y130a)

132 HOW ARE WE LOSING TO THESE SUBHUMANS?

Government money is like a drug. Once you've started on it, all you ever want is more, and you forget any moral pretext that would in any sane world tell you to stop. You become dependent, create your own reality to justify your condition, and ultimately forget any sense of morality that could possibly stand between you and your next hit. You can't have personal responsibility in a world of dependence, you can't have crime without responsibility, you can't have punishment without crime. Nothing anyone does is their fault, it was luck or someone else exploiting them, that morally justifies why they are dependent. In such a world the only crime is to believe that people can succeed, and should, be responsible for themselves.

Posted by: MikeTheMoose at May 26, 2010 08:16 PM (0q2P7)

133 "125 I think that if you put Ross and this judge in the same room with the men who wrote our Constitution and showed them that video, they would not hesitate to execute both men. Themselves. On the spot.
Posted by: mpur in Texas (kicking Mexico's ass since 1836) at May 26, 2010 08:13 PM (iBTj9)"

Of course they would. Right after they regained their wits at being shown video of anything.

Posted by: AngelEm, misanthrope at May 26, 2010 08:16 PM (Aq93A)

134
I'm proud to say that my state, Virginia, kills more criminals than any
other state but Texas.

We're #1!

Go Team!

Posted by: mpur in Texas (kicking Mexico's ass since 1836) at May 26, 2010 08:17 PM (iBTj9)

135
Raise your hand if you think Nadil Hassan, a muslim terrorist and murderer of thirteen of our best and bravest, will even be prosecuted while Obama is in office.


yeah, I didn't think so.

And when he does finally go on trial, he won't be facing the death penalty and he'll be defended by Lynne fucking Stewart and Ramsey fucking Clark.

Posted by: Mr Peebles at May 26, 2010 08:18 PM (ouySy)

136 I would have voted for Obama. In fact I would have be a college organizer.

Posted by: Ted Bundy at May 26, 2010 08:19 PM (d2PJi)

137 Watch me pardon Mumia Abu-Jamaland Leonard Peltier!

Wow, a cop killer and...............well a cop killer. Yeah they deserve to be paroled. They were just victims of circumstance. Jesus, I hate liberals!!!

Posted by: Samuel Adams at May 26, 2010 08:19 PM (nxUYP)

138 yeah but , he's probably a Hahvad man .

If only he'd been from Duke, he'd have a much different outlook...

Posted by: dorkafork at May 26, 2010 08:19 PM (npEqZ)

139
Nobody even talks about the Ft Hood terrorist massacre.
That is unacceptable.

Posted by: Mr Peebles at May 26, 2010 08:19 PM (ouySy)

140 What about a)confession b)dna proof c)eyewitness accounts d)...

Samuel Adams, there is still the problem that the list of death-penalty-eligible crimes tends to expand with time. It's only a matter of time before sedition becomes a capital offense.

I am exceedingly angry at those people who take innocent life. They are subhuman wastes of flesh. If something happened to my parents or my sister, I would want to kill the guy myself, and be damned with the consequences. But, I tell you what - my anger at the state is higher. I don't want my desire to see cretinous slimeballs get the chair lead to a tyrannical state which subjects millions to misery.

Posted by: chemjeff at May 26, 2010 08:20 PM (tJ4Ym)

141 I'm afraid all you racist tea baggers don't understand the nuanced legal theory behind this.

Posted by: dagny at May 26, 2010 08:20 PM (FzDFW)

142 Of course they would. Right after they regained their wits at being
shown video of anything.

I've wondered how different the Constitution would be if you could build a time machine and go back and let those guys read a couple of newspapers from today. (or show them videos or better yet, let them browse the Internet)

I'm weird like that.

Posted by: mpur in Texas (kicking Mexico's ass since 1836) at May 26, 2010 08:21 PM (iBTj9)

143
You know what else is crazy? Alice Cooper doing a guest appearance on Idol and performing a singalong with the little bastards on stage.
Hey, hey, Vincent is a good guy (despite his alter ego, Alice). My sister taught his daughter, and he and his wife, Cheryl, were very involved in the school. He does a lot for charity, too.
On another note, what the hell are you watching American Idol for?

Posted by: incognito at May 26, 2010 08:21 PM (u6X4c)

144 You've got to be pretty hard core to fight against the death penalty in the case of an eight-time serial strangler (seven time rapist, too).
Being above "the conventional wisdom" makes this judge more with-it, you know.

Posted by: rdbrewer at May 26, 2010 08:21 PM (a1MU5)

145 I can't watch the video. Reading that last paragraph was enough to keep me up at night and calling my daughter constantly throughout the night to check on her well-being.
As for the death penalty, I couldn't bring myself to support ituntil about 6-8 years ago when I let go of the childish fantasy that innocent people are regularly put to death or that the we, as humans, do not have the right to take the life of another.
My heart and conscience are utterly at peace with the death penalty for individuals such as this. The death penalty was MADE for people such as he.
In fact, my opinion has changed so drastically, that despite the cost to the taxpayers, I am still pissed that Dahmer was killed in prison. I wanted him to sit in his cell, counting the days. I wanted him to have to walk on his own two feet to his just destiny. No matter how he died, it was more merciful than what he did to his victims and I see now that this judge would likely have spared his life as well.
Hang them both; the murdering bastard and the judge.

Posted by: jmflynny at May 26, 2010 08:21 PM (AFdck)

146
Nobody is even asking the most obvious question: How many more Nadil Hassan's do we have in our military? Or in sensitive govt positions?

The guy didn't even hide his jihadism or his connections to Al Qaeda. What's wrong with us?

Posted by: Mr Peebles at May 26, 2010 08:22 PM (ouySy)

147 "You know who else is a sexual sadist?
A certain court nominee. Guarenteed"

That was my first thought as well.

Posted by: Bugler at May 26, 2010 08:22 PM (VXBR1)

148 http://preview.tinyurl.com/yza2wrj

In 2008, he received the Childrens Justice Award from the Center for
Childrens Advocacy at the University of Connecticut School of Law.

Sickening.

Posted by: AlaskAdkins at May 26, 2010 08:22 PM (4equH)

149 It's only a matter of time before sedition becomes a capital offense.

It's my understanding that it was until probably the late 19th century. Used to be treason was a hanging offense.

Posted by: wherestherum at May 26, 2010 08:22 PM (gofDd)

150 What the hell? A giant puppet? On a Mayflower commercial?
Huh? Creepy

Posted by: Little Orenthal at May 26, 2010 08:23 PM (9vQ7f)

151 stuiec, briefly, I support the right of the police to defend themselves, and to defend others, with deadly force if necessary, which is the same as I believe every citizen should have.
Posted by: chemjeff at May 26, 2010 08:08 PM (tJ4Ym)
So do I.
But I recognize that giving the police guns is a necessary evil. Necessary, because without those tools, they cannot protect the citizenry from people bent on causing pain, death and destruction. Evil, because police officers are subject to the same frailties as all human beings, and thus prone to error and even on occasion malfeasance.
The State grants these humanly-frail persons the power of life and death in the form of the authorization to carry and use firearms -- and to use those firearms based on their own personal split-second judgment, without any possibility of external review or reversal on appeal.
So I don't understand why anyone would fixate on opposing the death penalty as a potential area for the State to wield the power of life and death imperfectly when tens of thousands of imperfect individuals wield the power of life and death as agents of the State on every highway and street in America. Surely if the State can be entrusted with the power to authorize law enforcement officers to use deadly force, the State can be entrusted with the power to execute those who are duly tried and convicted of heinous crimes, who have had the benefit of counsel and the right of appeal, who have had every advantage of due process. Because if the State can't be trusted with the power to execute criminals under those conditions, it sure can't be trusted not to use its armed police forces to oppress the citizenry.

Posted by: stuiec at May 26, 2010 08:23 PM (7AOgy)

152 WOW A Palin backed congressional candidate loses to a Tea Party candidate in Idaho! Tea Party rocks!!! Sarah not so much . http://tinyurl.com/34dyuky

Posted by: sonnyspats at May 26, 2010 08:23 PM (68tQb)

153 Suicidal, out-of-control white guilt and some rock hard stupidity.
That pretty much sums it up.

Posted by: Soap MacTavish at May 26, 2010 08:24 PM (554T5)

154 Johnny Walker Lindh Marin Taliban gets a pardon from this administration in 2012. Guaranteed.
Posted by: Pecos Bill at May 26, 2010 08:23 PM (8WOM0)
January 2013 if Obama isn't re-elected, January 2017 if he is.

Posted by: stuiec at May 26, 2010 08:24 PM (7AOgy)

155 Jim Webb thinks he is "tough on crime". Does every senator vote on this douche? Does Webb need a reminder that we're watching him?

Posted by: dagny at May 26, 2010 08:24 PM (FzDFW)

156 How can this sorry sack of judicial crap even be up for nomination when he injected himself so egregiously into a case to the extent of not only threatening the defense attorney with disbarrment, but also visiting the defendant in jail?

This guy is nuts!

Posted by: Intrepid at May 26, 2010 08:25 PM (92zkk)

157 WOW A Palin backed congressional candidate loses to a Tea Party candidate in Idaho! Tea Party rocks!!! Sarah not so much . http://tinyurl.com/34dyuky
Posted by: sonnyspats at May 26, 2010 08:23 PM (68tQb)
To what extent did the last-minute accusation that Ward plagiarized an Obama speech factor into his loss?

Posted by: stuiec at May 26, 2010 08:25 PM (7AOgy)

158
Lindh gets out in 2020, anyway.

Just in time to run for president.


Posted by: Mr Peebles at May 26, 2010 08:27 PM (ouySy)

159 Posted by: chemjeff at May 26, 2010 08:20 PM (tJ4Ym)

You know what? You are the man! You have convinced me that you are against the death penalty based solely on principal. I seriously respect that. I don't agree, but I do respect that.

Posted by: Samuel Adams at May 26, 2010 08:27 PM (nxUYP)

160 Samuel Adams, there is still the problem that the list of
death-penalty-eligible crimes tends to expand with time.

That is such bullshit. Horse thieving used to be a capital offense. Now someone can jack your car and rape your wife in the same day and still expect to breath free air again in his lifetime. Try another one.

Posted by: MikeTheMoose at May 26, 2010 08:27 PM (0q2P7)

161 You get a commie in the white house and all the sudden there is a fire sale on fuck sticks.

Posted by: Arlo at May 26, 2010 08:27 PM (zIUsq)

162 I've wondered how different the Constitution would be
if you could build a time machine and go back and let those guys read a
couple of newspapers from today. (or show them videos or better yet,
let them browse the Internet)I'm weird like that.

Posted by: mpur in Texas (kicking Mexico's ass since 1836) at May 26,
2010 08:21 PM (iBTj9)
The Constitution would be, essentially, as they wrote it. They were very sophisticated thinkers who built a structure far ahead of their time, still defining a unique and, as yet essentially uncopied, framework that has been the basis of the freest, richest, most advanced civilization that has ever existed. There wouldn't be any change in the basic structure, limits, or enumerations of powers.
But, they would have written "natural born citizen" in large, bold type.

Posted by: progressoverpeace at May 26, 2010 08:28 PM (Qp4DT)

163 "#125 I think that if you put Ross and this judge in the same room with the men who wrote our Constitution and showed them that video, they would not hesitate to execute both men. Themselves. On the spot."

Uh, they'd probably execute us, too, for witchcraft.

Posted by: moi at May 26, 2010 08:29 PM (Ez4Ql)

164 #141 It's only a matter of time before sedition becomes a capital offense.

Remember Julius and Ethel Rosenberg? They were executed for selling nuke secrets to the USSR.

Posted by: Kratos (missing from the side of Mt Olympus) at May 26, 2010 08:30 PM (c0A3e)

165 #144...
About three weeks ago our sales team held a conference at our fishing lodge for some of our customers. Executives, most, but in the rough and tumble world of trucking. They drank all night on Monday and fished all day on Tuesday. They ate red meat and drank bourbon and smoked cigars and then, when 8 pm rolled around, and half the guys were asking to turn the big screen to the NBA game, the other half rebelled, commandeered the the remote and insisted upon watching AI.
I couldn't believe it.
Now, here I am watching the finale. Mostly, I suppose, out of morbid curiosity and, in part, to discuss it with my friggin customers at the next get-together.
Either way, it really isn't very good.

Posted by: jmflynny at May 26, 2010 08:30 PM (AFdck)

166 That is such bullshit. Horse thieving used to be a capital offense. Now
someone can jack your car and rape your wife in the same day and still
expect to breath free air again in his lifetime. Try another one.

In Texas, it used to be that you could be shot on the spot for carrying wire cutters.

They should bring that one back. Right after they put a barbed wire fence up along the southern border.

Posted by: mpur in Texas (kicking Mexico's ass since 1836) at May 26, 2010 08:30 PM (iBTj9)

167 I am exceedingly angry at those people who take innocent life. They are subhuman wastes of flesh. If something happened to my parents or my sister, I would want to kill the guy myself, and be damned with the consequences. But, I tell you what - my anger at the state is higher. I don't want my desire to see cretinous slimeballs get the chair lead to a tyrannical state which subjects millions to misery.
Posted by: chemjeff at May 26, 2010 08:20 PM (tJ4Ym)
The funny thing is, we're watching the rise of a tyrannical state which subjects millions to misery -- and it has nothing to do whatsoever with whether murderers face execution. I've noticed that when regimes want to do away with their opponents, they frequently dispense with the formalities of criminal charges, trials, appeals and executions, and just order their troops into the street to fire en masse on those opponents. Hell, didn't we just see that in Bangkok this past week?

Posted by: stuiec at May 26, 2010 08:32 PM (7AOgy)

168 Hang them both; the murdering bastard and the judge.


See that right thar? That thar is an hangin' judge--see him twistin' in the wind? Looks like we're going to have a Noreaster.

Posted by: Rooster Cockburn, Weathervane Installer at May 26, 2010 08:32 PM (CfmlF)

169 163 You get a commie in the white house and all the sudden there is a fire sale on fuck sticks.


You'd think they'd be thanking me.

Posted by: B. Hussein Obama at May 26, 2010 08:32 PM (XbgNo)

170 But, they would have written "natural born citizen" in large, bold type.

I like to think they'd add the word "individual" to the 2nd amendment as well.

Posted by: mpur in Texas (kicking Mexico's ass since 1836) at May 26, 2010 08:33 PM (iBTj9)

171 #151...
I'm still trying to figure that one out. What the hell is it about? I've seen it several times and still don't get it.

Posted by: jmflynny at May 26, 2010 08:33 PM (AFdck)

172 Remember Julius and Ethel Rosenberg? They were executed for selling nuke secrets to the USSR.

In a just world, Pinch Sulzberger would have been fried a long time ago.

Posted by: Rooster Cockburn, Weathervane Installer at May 26, 2010 08:33 PM (CfmlF)

173 This country is officially fucked into relativist, lefty oblivion. If this guy is any indication, our economic problems are nothing compared to the pseudo-intellectualhorseshit that has infested our society.

Posted by: shank at May 26, 2010 08:34 PM (ZPbFI)

174 Remember Julius and Ethel Rosenberg? They were executed for selling nuke secrets to the USSR.
Posted by: Kratos (missing from the side of Mt Olympus) at May 26, 2010 08:30 PM (c0A3e)
And they were offered a deal to avoid the electric chair by admitting their guilt and naming their Soviet and domestic contacts. That's how her brother David Greenglass, the one who actually smuggled the atom bomb design data out of Los Alamos, avoided execution. He begged Ethyl to take the deal for the sake of their son. She and Julius, however, were True Believers of the first magnitude.
By the way, they were guilty as hell and got what they deserved.

Posted by: stuiec at May 26, 2010 08:36 PM (7AOgy)

175 did anyone notice the article on gateway pundit concerning the white house cyber squating?

type in
michellemalkin dot org
it takes you to white house dot gov
look i know people cyber sqaut, but the US government? Are tax dollars paying for that?

Posted by: Ben at May 26, 2010 08:36 PM (DKV43)

176 So these gay trucker execs were trying to fool you by fishing, eating red meat, smoking cigars, and drinking burbon?

Posted by: dagny at May 26, 2010 08:36 PM (FzDFW)

177 I've noticed that when regimes want to do away with their opponents,
they frequently dispense with the formalities of criminal charges,
trials, appeals and executions, and just order their troops into the
street to fire en masse on those opponents. Hell, didn't we
just see that in Bangkok this past week?

I have yet to be convinced. I honestly think those red-shirted fuckers deserved the killing they got. To me, they are the SEIU purple shirted fucks we should expect to see in the near future. I would be honored to shoot those purple shirted fucks. (if and only if the situation would arise, don't freak out.)

Posted by: Samuel Adams at May 26, 2010 08:36 PM (nxUYP)

178 Posted by: wherestherum at May 26, 2010 08:22 PM (gofDd)


35 Stat. at L., chap. 321, p. 1088, 1.

The phraseology of
section 5331 of the Rev. Stat. is here slightly changed. By section 2,
the punishment for treason is fixed at death, or, at the discretion of
the court, imprisonment at hard labor for not less than four years, and a
tine of not less than ten thousand dollars, and disqualification from
holding office under the United States.

I think this was around the early 20th century.

Posted by: progressoverpeace at May 26, 2010 08:37 PM (Qp4DT)

179 #174 In a just world, Pinch Sulzberger would have been fried a long time ago.

And so would have Bagdad Jim, Pelosi, and McKinney because all of them went overseas to interfere with the foreign policy decisions of POTUS.

Posted by: Kratos (missing from the side of Mt Olympus) at May 26, 2010 08:38 PM (c0A3e)

180 Being the dad of two girls I hate rapists with a perfect hate. I now hate Obama for nominating the scum judge. Every democrat that votes for this man during senate confirmation should have this video run in the state continuously. I have emailed Patty Murray and told her if she votes for him I will help make it happen.
Everyone should do the same with their senators. Obama needs to be defeated in 2012 the man is scum and dangerous scum at that .

Posted by: robtr at May 26, 2010 08:38 PM (fwSHf)

181 I have to agree that giving the govt power of execution is scary. However, if we get that far gone, I doubt they will even have show trials. People will just disappear.

Posted by: dagny at May 26, 2010 08:39 PM (FzDFW)

182 Raise your hand if you think Nadil Hassan, a muslim terrorist and murderer of thirteen of our best and bravest, will even be prosecuted while Obama is in office.

What is wrong with you wingers? Hasn't this poor man suffered enough?He's paralyzed, for crying out loud! He'll never be able to walk again! That should be punishment enough!

Posted by: Same Idiots Who Pitied The Orphaned Menendez Brothers at May 26, 2010 08:39 PM (CfmlF)

183 look i know people cyber sqaut, but the US government? Are tax dollars paying for that?

Yes and Yes.

Posted by: Same Idiots Who Pitied The Orphaned Menendez Brothers at May 26, 2010 08:41 PM (CfmlF)

184 #184 That should be punishment enough!

And I was gunned down by an infidel woman to boot, how insulting!

Posted by: Nadil Hassan at May 26, 2010 08:41 PM (c0A3e)

185 Federal Laws Providing for the Death Penalty (as of 2003)
8 U.S.C. 1342Murder related to the smuggling of aliens.18 U.S.C. 32-34Destruction of aircraft, motor vehicles, or related facilities resulting in death.18 U.S.C. 36Murder committed during a drug-related drive-by shooting.18 U.S.C. 37Murder committed at an airport serving international civil aviation.18 U.S.C. 115(b)(3)[by cross-referenceto 18 U.S.C. 1111]Retaliatory murder of a member of the immediate family of law enforcement officials.18 U.S.C. 241,242, 245, 247Civil rights offenses resulting in death.18 U.S.C. 351[by cross-referenceto 18 U.S.C. 1111]Murder of a member of Congress, an important executive official, or a Supreme Court Justice.18 U.S.C. 794Espionage.18 U.S.C. 844(d), (f), (i)Death resulting from offenses involving transportation of explosives, destruction of government property, or destruction of property related to foreign or interstate commerce.18 U.S.C. 924(i)Murder committed by the use of a firearm during a crime of violence or a drug-trafficking crime.18 U.S.C. 930Murder committed in a Federal Government facility.18 U.S.C. 1091Genocide.18 U.S.C. 1111First-degree murder.18 U.S.C. 1114Murder of a Federal judge or law enforcement official.18 U.S.C. 1116Murder of a foreign official.18 U.S.C. 1118Murder by a Federal prisoner.18 U.S.C. 1119Murder of a U.S. national in a foreign country.18 U.S.C. 1120Murder by an escaped Federal prisoner already sentenced to life imprisonment.18 U.S.C. 1121Murder of a State or local law enforcement official or other person aiding in a Federal investigation; murder of a State correctional officer.18 U.S.C. 1201Murder during a kidnapping.18 U.S.C. 1203Murder during a hostage taking.18 U.S.C. 1503Murder of a court officer or juror.18 U.S.C. 1512Murder with the intent of preventing testimony by a witness, victim, or informant.18 U.S.C. 1513Retaliatory murder of a witness, victim, or informant.18 U.S.C. 1716Mailing of injurious articles with intent to kill or resulting in death.18 U.S.C. 1751[by cross-referenceto 18 U.S.C. 1111]Assassination or kidnapping resulting in the death of the President or Vice President.18 U.S.C. 1958Murder for hire.18 U.S.C. 1959Murder involved in a racketeering offense.18 U.S.C. 1992Willful wrecking of a train resulting in death.18 U.S.C. 2113Bank-robbery-related murder or kidnapping.18 U.S.C. 2119Murder related to a carjacking.18 U.S.C. 2245Murder related to rape or child molestation.18 U.S.C. 2251Murder related to sexual exploitation of children.18 U.S.C. 2280Murder committed during an offense against maritime navigation.18 U.S.C. 2281Murder committed during an offense against a maritime fixed platform.18 U.S.C. 2332Terrorist murder of a U.S. national in another country.18 U.S.C. 2332aMurder by the use of a weapon of mass destruction.18 U.S.C. 2340Murder involving torture.18 U.S.C. 2381Treason.21 U.S.C. 848(e)Murder related to a continuing criminal enterprise or related murder of a Federal, State, or local law enforcement officer.49 U.S.C. 1472-1473Death resulting from aircraft hijacking.

Posted by: stuiec at May 26, 2010 08:42 PM (7AOgy)

186 If it's ok to kill babies why not people?You just have to have a really good reason, however, the only good reasons are because you are a victim of some kind or one of the underclass or a protected minority.

Posted by: dagny at May 26, 2010 08:42 PM (s/0s6)

187 And I was gunned down by an infidel woman to boot,
how insulting!


Posted by: Nadil Hassan at May 26, 2010 08:41 PM (c0A3e)

Notice how I didn't shoot you to kill you. That was by design fuckhead.

Posted by: The Chick who shot Hasan. at May 26, 2010 08:43 PM (nxUYP)

188 #177 did anyone notice the article on gateway pundit concerning the white house cyber squating?
type in
michellemalkin dot org
it takes you to white house dot gov
look i know people cyber sqaut, but the US government? Are tax dollars paying for that?


OMG, you're right. Does Malkin know this?

Posted by: moi at May 26, 2010 08:43 PM (Ez4Ql)

189 O/t: Drudge has a headline "State
Department: Troops won't be used to stop illegals..."

Can't click on the link right now but if they aren't being used to deal with the illegal situation, what are they being sent there for?

Posted by: curious at May 26, 2010 08:44 PM (p302b)

190 <i>#174 In a just world, Pinch Sulzberger would have been fried a long time ago.</i>

Hey, what about me? Pinch is a lightweight compared to me!

Posted by: George Soros at May 26, 2010 08:44 PM (y130a)

191 By the way, with the sole exception of treason, the US Supreme Court has held that the death penalty is un-Constitutional as punishment for any crime that does not result in the death of one or more persons. I think it was Caryl Chessman, the Red-Light Bandit, who was the last person executed in the US for rape.

Posted by: stuiec at May 26, 2010 08:44 PM (7AOgy)

192 #191
Can't click on the link right now but if they aren't being used to
deal with the illegal situation, what are they being sent there for?

To rescue my poll numbers, mortal!

Posted by: Barrack Obama at May 26, 2010 08:45 PM (c0A3e)

193 Let us not forget who Liberals like to throw the book at: innocent people.

See: Coakley, Martha (of Massachusettes) and the Fells Day Care case.

http://bit.ly/cQGVkY

Posted by: Wodeshed at May 26, 2010 08:45 PM (MFbfZ)

194 177 Holy Shit. You expect that from laptop battery guy, not the White House. How creepy is that? I hate to say so, but can you imagine if Bush did this?

Posted by: dagny at May 26, 2010 08:47 PM (s/0s6)

195 "Posted by: stuiec at May 26, 2010 08:36 PM (7AOgy)"

They were true believers plus their soviet handlers wouldn't allow them to admit they were spies. All the spies caught in europe were allowed to admit it. Spies in the US - no. And they followed orders to the end.

It's sort of funny that all the big communists and commie spies - their kids all live in America and are proud capitalists. Rosenberg's kids are crazy lefties.

Posted by: moi at May 26, 2010 08:48 PM (Ez4Ql)

196 191 Rush said they were being sent there so that the feds could file suit against Az saying that they were taking care of the situation.

Posted by: dagny at May 26, 2010 08:48 PM (s/0s6)

197 He's a sick fuck... and the rapist aint much good either.

Posted by: The Great Satan's Ghost at May 26, 2010 08:48 PM (SYbbP)

198 #187 (appropriate - that's the section of the California Penal Code dealing with murder)
Stuiec, looking at that list, looks like we've got a lot of workto do to catch up with the backlog.

Posted by: Jay Guevara at May 26, 2010 08:49 PM (y130a)

199 michellemalkin.org is registered to Drew Hart of Forest Hills, New York.

Posted by: chemjeff at May 26, 2010 08:49 PM (tJ4Ym)

200 18 U.S.C. 1119Murder of a U.S. national in a foreign country.18 U.S.C. 2332Terrorist murder of a U.S. national in another
country.

That 2332 was pretty important. Maybe the get to call them "terrorist" as the added bonus to 1119? That's always fun.

18 U.S.C. 2332aMurder by the use of a weapon of mass destruction.

They charged that treasonous Times Square bomber with using a WMD (a truck bomb is a WMD, now? WTF). Not only didn't they charge him with treason, but they won't seek the death penalty, either, I would guess.

Posted by: progressoverpeace at May 26, 2010 08:50 PM (Qp4DT)

201 He only raped seven times, right? Damn. I feel the flames of hell licking at my heels for that post.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at May 26, 2010 08:51 PM (UOM48)

202 Easy said than done indeed, fake Adidas shoe guy.

Posted by: Wodeshed at May 26, 2010 08:52 PM (MFbfZ)

203 Does Malkin know this?

It really doesn't matter. Not much she can do about it other than whine and that's what it would sound like if she brought it up. Now Hotair or Fox News on the other hand. . .

Posted by: MikeTheMoose at May 26, 2010 08:53 PM (0q2P7)

204 You expect that from laptop battery guy, not the White House. How creepy
is that?

I think there's legal precedent that would allow Malkin to recover that domain name if she wanted to. In reality, its probably more valuable to her the way it is since it allows her to attack them for extreme pettiness as long as it persists.

Posted by: Purple Avenger at May 26, 2010 08:53 PM (CROQ7)

205 This is Drew Hart's resume. It is a Google cache because it looks like he trashed his own website.

Posted by: chemjeff at May 26, 2010 08:54 PM (tJ4Ym)

206 The msm acts like public relation firms for murders. They never report all the facts. Yesterday, the guy who was executed almost all skipped over the fact that he chased down the other woman, found her cowering in the kitchen, kicked her repeatedly and then shot her 6 times point blank aiming for her head and he did this in front of her young son. A real miracle that she lived.
Instead, they smear his wife that he did kill as a whore.

Posted by: moi at May 26, 2010 08:55 PM (Ez4Ql)

207 I hate to say so, but can you imagine if Bush did this? I hate to say so, but can you imagine if Bush did this? I hate to say so, but can you imagine if Bush did this? I hate to say so, but can you imagine if Bush did this? I hate to say so, but can you imagine if Bush did this? I hate to say so, but can you imagine if Bush did this? I hate to say so, but can you imagine if Bush did this? I hate to say so, but can you imagine if Bush did this? I hate to say so, but can you imagine if Bush did this? I hate to say so, but can you imagine if Bush did this? I hate to say so, but can you imagine if Bush did this?

We could just keep on sayin it. While it never get's old it never accomplishes much either.

Posted by: MikeTheMoose at May 26, 2010 08:55 PM (0q2P7)

208 a truck bomb is a WMD, now? WTF

Posted by: progressoverpeace at May 26, 2010 08:50 PM (Qp4DT)
And it was always weird that they first said that Shazaam was incompetent and a joke and that his bomb was amateurish and silly. Now, it's a WMD.
I know that this administration is as crazy and stupid as one could imagine, but I am still amazed as they continue to try to pull this shit.

Posted by: progressoverpeace at May 26, 2010 08:56 PM (Qp4DT)

209 @16: "It is just so scary though, that we can't do anything to stop all this because the Republicans are so darn weak."
Most Republican pols are statists, too. They don't really have any objection to the Obamanization of America, they just want to be the ones to drive it after it's all in place.

Posted by: Fa Cube Itches at May 26, 2010 09:02 PM (kmEfr)

210 heh - Drew Hart is now a proud subscriber to the AFP newsletter

Posted by: chemjeff at May 26, 2010 09:02 PM (tJ4Ym)

211 This is icing on the cake of my shitty day. And just like Teh Won, it's all about me, right?

Wish I was with Art Linkletter in Heaven with my mom, dad, grandparents, et al. Not kidding.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at May 26, 2010 09:03 PM (UOM48)

212 Wish I was with Art Linkletter in Heaven with my mom, dad, grandparents, et al. Not kidding.
Posted by: Jane D'oh at May 26, 2010 09:03 PM (UOM4
That's pretty severe Jane, I hope everything works out.

Posted by: robtr at May 26, 2010 09:07 PM (fwSHf)

213 Oh, Jane D'oh, don't say that!

Posted by: chemjeff at May 26, 2010 09:07 PM (tJ4Ym)

214 "To commit the crime is de facto proof of innocence of the crime, in this guy's understanding of the law."

So by extension, being innocent is proof of guilt. So the guy's victims clearly deserved it.

Posted by: Brown Line at May 26, 2010 09:07 PM (+8d6i)

215 Does Webb need a reminder that we're watching him?
EVERYDAY
speed dial

Posted by: pitchforksandpowder at May 26, 2010 09:09 PM (RW1wa)

216 Wish I was with Art Linkletter in Heaven with my mom, dad, grandparents, et al. Not kidding.
Too harse. Think of your family.

Posted by: Ronster at May 26, 2010 09:10 PM (tAmmU)

217 O/T: now this is fascinating, wonder what it means exactly?
"This is Weird Typing MichelleMalkin.org Sends You to
White House Website?"

Posted by: curious at May 26, 2010 09:11 PM (p302b)

218 Will the same thing happen with other conservative bloggers?

Posted by: curious at May 26, 2010 09:11 PM (p302b)

219 Sorry, guys. I'm just remembering a kinder, gentler time that we'll never see again. My parents, and all my relatives, were the sweetest, funniest, kindest, and hardest working people I ever knew.

And no way am I leaving my kid alone. He e-mailed this morning they had a minor earthquake on Okinawa. And all this NORK shit is ramping up. He may see shit happen long before he deploys. So I have to be here to cheer him on and keep after his worthless CiC. D'oh is tired and choses not to know what we all know.



Posted by: Jane D'oh at May 26, 2010 09:16 PM (UOM48)

220 Posted by: curious at May 26, 2010 09:11 PM (p302b)

They must have just changed the redirect, because now it goes to a parked page with a list of lefty books on it.

Frankly, I thought the redirect tot he White House was sort of funny. It's not as if that wouldn't skeeve out anyone who was looking for Malkin's site. It seems a pretty stupid tactic by the left. They're experts at stupid, though.

Posted by: progressoverpeace at May 26, 2010 09:16 PM (Qp4DT)

221 @131: "I'm proud to say that my state, Virginia, kills more criminals than any other state but Texas."
Bah! California has both of you beat. We just use other criminals to do it. Frees up the courts for Lindsay Lohan hearings.

Posted by: Fa Cube Itches at May 26, 2010 09:17 PM (kmEfr)

222 46 This guy is a ruse. They never expected him to get pushed through.
Nope - he's there to make someone else look less extreme.

The cynic in me says you're probably right about this. The person who has read or heard, in disbelief, about what Obama does isn't so sure.

Posted by: BeckoningChasm at May 26, 2010 09:17 PM (eNxMU)

223 221
Will the same thing happen with other conservative bloggers?
Has this trick been tried before? Sounds familiar..

Posted by: Kratos (missing from the side of Mt Olympus) at May 26, 2010 09:18 PM (c0A3e)

224 Should one of my family members be a victim to such an act, and have such a judge presiding, I would go "Dark Shaman" (kanaim) on his ass. Maybe in 5, 10 years he would know why he is tormented so, and then the real torment would begin.

Posted by: Druid at May 26, 2010 09:18 PM (Oe01r)

225 Posted by: curious at May 26, 2010 09:11 PM (p302b)

Now it goes back to the White House page. That's odd.

Posted by: progressoverpeace at May 26, 2010 09:18 PM (Qp4DT)

226 no, michellemalkin.org still goes to the White House

Posted by: chemjeff at May 26, 2010 09:19 PM (tJ4Ym)

227 Drew Hart's bio:

http://bit.ly/am9int

On the plus side, he enlisted in the military.

On the minus side, he prompted his C.O. to "ask" and he "told."

Posted by: Wodeshed at May 26, 2010 09:20 PM (MFbfZ)

228 I wasn't threatening to hurt myself or worse, morons. I'm just hoping that someday I can be with all the awesome people I've lost.

The night my mother died, last fall, she told her nurse, just before I raced back to the hospital, she heard the most beautiful music. And there was an amazing, beautiful angel in her room waiting for her.

I don't care what you athiests, non-believers, whatever think. I held her hand and said The Lord's Prayer to her (her vitals picked up), and watched her slip away in peace.

Sorry for the O/T rant. It's been a weird day.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at May 26, 2010 09:21 PM (UOM48)

229 214
This is icing on the cake of my shitty day.

Sorry your day is shitty, Jane. Mine was craptastic yesterday, but a bit better today. Take a deep breath and know that things can get better.

Posted by: Y-not at May 26, 2010 09:22 PM (Kn9r7)

230 I held her hand and said The Lord's Prayer to her (her vitals picked
up), and watched her slip away in peace.

As I did with my Mom. Good for you.

Posted by: Skookumchuk at May 26, 2010 09:23 PM (btzPD)

231 Sorry, Mrs. D'oh. Hope things get better for you.

Posted by: Kratos (missing from the side of Mt Olympus) at May 26, 2010 09:25 PM (c0A3e)

232 Drew Hart's Google profile
poor guy he's having a hard time finding love via google

Posted by: chemjeff at May 26, 2010 09:25 PM (tJ4Ym)

233 Ah, yes, just another example of why Connecticut is a shit hole. I'm so proud.

Posted by: Jaimo at May 26, 2010 09:25 PM (jKk/N)

234 I think the M'Naughton Rule still stands: if you're unable by reason of disease or mental defect to tell right from wrong, you cannot be held legally guilty of a crime.
That argument never worked for me. Even if they can't make a moral decision, they should still follow the law. (Provided the law itself is just etc). Most of us take many rules on that faith anyway; especially little kids. They are punished (scolded, spanked, what have you)for stealing because it's against the social norms even though they can't yet understand the moral implications of their actions. Why should adults be offered even less stringent rules?
Interesting side note too, about using one's morals to justify breaking the law. Al Capone was found guilty of tax evasion, but consider the following; if Capone had argued that his wealth was essentially blood money, he could then say that by taxing that, the federal government was condoning his behavior because they were profiting from it. Modern liberal creed says that if you thought you weren't doing wrong, then you're innocent; Capone would be free to do what he was doing anyway.

Posted by: dudeinsantacruz at May 26, 2010 09:26 PM (KYOhR)

235 Didn't mean to hijack the thread. Sorry.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at May 26, 2010 09:26 PM (UOM48)

236 Hey, chemjeff, do you know anything about the chemistry of the oil dispersants BP is using (or wants to use)? I'm too lazy to do any research on the subject.

Posted by: Y-not at May 26, 2010 09:26 PM (Kn9r7)

237 Jane D'oh so sorry

Posted by: chemjeff at May 26, 2010 09:26 PM (tJ4Ym)

238 @141: "Samuel Adams, there is still the problem that the list of death-penalty-eligible crimes tends to expand with time. It's only a matter of time before sedition becomes a capital offense."
Actually, the number of capital crimes has gone steadily down. Check out the lists of what used to draw the death penalty under English Common Law. It was pretty much everything but jaywalking. Even in our lifetimes, it has gone down. Kidnapping and rape are no longer capital crimes in most, if not all, jurisdictions. Pretty much it is only treason and murder, and treason is rarely prosecuted, and even when it is, they don't go for the death penalty.

Posted by: Fa Cube Itches at May 26, 2010 09:26 PM (kmEfr)

239 I held her hand and said The Lord's Prayer to her (her vitals picked
up), and watched her slip away in peace.

As I did with my Mom. Good for you.

Wow. That's exactly what happened with mine.

Posted by: Soap MacTavish at May 26, 2010 09:27 PM (554T5)

240 It seems a pretty stupid tactic by the left. They're experts at stupid, though.


Posted by: progressoverpeace at May 26, 2010 09:16 PM (Qp4DT)Testimony to an Ivy League education in general, and a guarantee for Harvard grads in particular.


Posted by: ontherocks at May 26, 2010 09:27 PM (HBqDo)

241 Y-not, no, not really

Posted by: chemjeff at May 26, 2010 09:28 PM (tJ4Ym)

242 I'm fine. In the meanwhile, Barry and his minions shove this crap down our throats?

This country is living in a nightmare, and 52% of the people don't even know it.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at May 26, 2010 09:28 PM (UOM48)

243 Only a crazy person would rape and murder, ergo any rapist or murderer is not guilty by reason of insanity.

The only crime here is that of the nasty, mean prosecutors trying to put the poor dears away.

Posted by: fb at May 26, 2010 09:32 PM (Bu9Jo)

244 @244
Grrr... what good are you then?! ;-P

OK, this is the product: Corexit.

Ironically, this is some info about it from the EPA's own web site.

Posted by: Y-not at May 26, 2010 09:32 PM (Kn9r7)

245 Oh just lovely.
Just when you think things can't get any more insane...well, at least one could say that they do not disappoint on this score.

Posted by: unknown jane at May 26, 2010 09:35 PM (5/yRG)

246 Stop stealing my lines!

Posted by: Joseph Heller at May 26, 2010 09:35 PM (XBdMr)

247 My condolences Jane.

Posted by: unknown jane at May 26, 2010 09:36 PM (5/yRG)

248 191O did the 1200 thing for the quick cheap headline and to distract from challenging the Az law.

Posted by: kansas at May 26, 2010 09:37 PM (2kVkH)

249 AAAAAAAAAGGGGGGGHHHHH This sh*t makes my HEAD HURT!

Posted by: Nighthawk at May 26, 2010 09:38 PM (I8VNN)

250 Take my wife, please!

Posted by: Walter Mondale at May 26, 2010 09:40 PM (1fanL)

251 253 Take my wife, please!
Posted by: Walter Mondale at May 26, 2010 09:40 PM (1fanL) I see what you did there Walter.

Posted by: Ronster at May 26, 2010 09:43 PM (tAmmU)

252 Jeebus, these serial killer/rapists seem to be proud of themselves. I really and truly wonder if there is something inherently evil in a person like that.

If that is the case, just execute them. Seriously.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at May 26, 2010 09:43 PM (UOM48)

253 I don't care what you athiests, non-believers,
whatever think. I held her hand and said The Lord's Prayer to her (her
vitals picked up), and watched her slip away in peace.

Sorry for the O/T rant. It's been a weird day.


Posted by: Jane D'oh at May 26, 2010 09:21 PM (UOM4

My grandmother too. After hearing pslams.... she went in complete peace.It was the most beautiful thing I have ever seen. She wasnt alone.. something beautiful came to get her. Amazing.

Posted by: Timbo at May 26, 2010 09:45 PM (7GgDy)

254 Jeebus, these serial killer/rapists seem to be proud of themselves. I really and truly wonder if there is something inherently evil in a person like that. If that is the case, just execute them. Seriously.

I think everyone has a little crazy in them. The huge majority has the ability to repress it. I could be wrong.I usually am. Those unable to handle the crazy have to be taken care of.

Posted by: Ronster at May 26, 2010 09:48 PM (tAmmU)

255
Welcome to Hell on Earth.

Posted by: eman at May 26, 2010 09:48 PM (hVdJG)

256 No, take my wife. I'll understand.

Posted by: Michael Dukakis at May 26, 2010 09:50 PM (1fanL)

257 258

Welcome to Hell on Earth.

Play Doom 2 as a guide.

Posted by: Kratos (missing from the side of Mt Olympus) at May 26, 2010 09:51 PM (c0A3e)

258 By "taken care of", I meangetting the proper punishment.

Posted by: Ronster at May 26, 2010 09:51 PM (tAmmU)

259 I'm glad I'm not an atheist. Now if I could just stop all this cussing, swearing....

I really am jealous of my parents and other relatives who lived kinder, gentler, less overwhelmed with crap lives.

Seriously, I hope someday I'm allowed the same peace they found. But right now I feel an internal rage that tells me I need to keep working with my local Tea Party and support my son and all our military.


Posted by: Jane D'oh at May 26, 2010 09:54 PM (UOM48)

260 ...Don't have kids.

Posted by: pH at May 26, 2010 09:55 PM (WOy+7)

261 231
Posted by: Jane D'oh at May 26, 2010 09:21 PM (UOM4



Jane, many things in this life are inexplicable -- I don't doubt what
you and your Mum said, felt, or saw. We (humans) are
small...infinitesimally small. And we try to figure it all out; to make
it all neat and sensible -- to have an answer for everything that life
throws at us. Impossible.



I believe in many concepts, thoughts and feelings -- especially those
that defy any textbook logic. I've had my own experiences that
reinforce the aforementioned.



I'm sorry that you had a strange / weird day; no problem letting it out
here; you are among friends...my best thoughts to you.

Posted by: billygoat at May 26, 2010 09:56 PM (5qJM5)

262 I have a (one) kid who is in Okinawa with the Marines. They had an earthquake last night. And they're gearing up for whatever the NORKS throw at them.

Here D'oh and I have been worrying about his deployment to Afghanistan. Now we've got bat shit crazy Kim Jung Il wanting to go out in a blaze of glory.

In the meantime, Presidon't Barry will have a terrific time in Chi-town this weekend. Douchebag.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at May 26, 2010 09:58 PM (UOM48)

263 Excuse me but I see a direct analogy between this judges reasoning and many of the conservative bloggers who will not go near O's birth certificate problem.

These sadistic killers do not deserve the severest punishment. Oh-no, its much more nuanced than that. Once we look into their thinking we can see they are ill and deserving of understanding and treatment. Problems like this are complex and we must not rush to judgment. No lets tie our thinking into knots make fun of the rubes that are not nearly as smart as us clever thinkers.

O's birth certificate problem. Why its a trap to make us look like fools. Or he has a religion problem on it, or their was problematic name change, or lets just make shit up about why its not released.

Clever thinkers make me puke.

Posted by: snookered at May 26, 2010 09:59 PM (jchJh)

264 Well, for me at least there might be a good side to this:
In the conflict for my hippie, liberal friend's soul this could be the straw that tips the balance -- because if there is one thing that can get my hippie friend in a frothing rage it's rapists, child molesters, and murderers getting a light sentence (she's anti-death penalty out of political conviction...but her alternative to the death penalty is so draconian I believe she may have actually hit on the one punishment that just might be worse).
This may be just the thing indeed...I shall have to send a link to the video to her, bwahahahah...

Posted by: unknown jane at May 26, 2010 10:00 PM (5/yRG)

265 Ah'm good, gang.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at May 26, 2010 10:01 PM (UOM48)

266 I really am jealous of my parents and other relatives who lived kinder, gentler, less overwhelmed with crap lives.
I was born in the early 40s and have to agree that things were a lot simpler growing up, even though my childhood sucked, it was a good time in America. However, I'm glad for the advances in technology because what would I do without the Internet?

Posted by: Ronster at May 26, 2010 10:02 PM (tAmmU)

267 Say there's a Supreme Being. (S)He is Good. He is also all-powerful, all-knowing, and all-seeing. Bad things happen to good people. How in Hell can He possibly not be at fault for those things? Even if He has reasons for not preventing those things, He could have prevented them, and didn't. I'd like a gig where I got credit for all good things, and someone else got the blame for all bad things.

Sometimes I believe in God, and sometimes I don't. Sometimes I want God to exist, and sometimes I hope to Hell He doesn't, because if He does, how can He possibly be benevolent?

Threadjack!

Posted by: FUBAR at May 26, 2010 10:03 PM (1fanL)

268 "...the number of capital crimes has gone steadily down. Check out the
lists of what used to draw the death penalty under English Common Law."

At common law, a felony was by definition a crime punishable by death. Burglary, robbery, larceny: all could get you the noose. Not that they always would, but the judge had it available.

"The only crime here is that of the nasty, mean prosecutors trying to put
the poor dears away."

To which I happily plead guilty.

Posted by: Dave J. at May 26, 2010 10:03 PM (DCQ0q)

269
I don't care what you athiests, non-believers,
whatever think. I held her hand and said The Lord's Prayer to her (her
vitals picked up), and watched her slip away in peace.Sorry for
the O/T rant. It's been a weird day.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at May 26, 2010 09:21 PM (UOM4

My grandmother too. After
hearing pslams.... she went in complete peace.It
was the most beautiful thing I have ever seen. She wasnt alone..
something beautiful came to get her. Amazing.


Posted by: Timbo at May 26, 2010 09:45 PM


Yep. Same here. It was Psalms. It was a beautiful moment of peace. Her whole demeanor changed despite being what we all figured was unconscious and then she went. Truly how I want to go - just like Grandma.

We all talk about it over a decade later. I was lucky to be there.

Posted by: jcjimi at May 26, 2010 10:05 PM (I7L+g)

270 Bad things happen to good people. How in Hell can He possibly not be at fault for those things?

So how you like that free will ya got?

Posted by: fluffy, smart-ass theologian at May 26, 2010 10:06 PM (SwkdU)

271 Be strong and courageous. Do not be afraid or terrified because of them, for the LORD your God goes with you; he will never leave you nor forsake you."Deuteronomy 31:6

Posted by: Rat Patrol at May 26, 2010 10:08 PM (dQdrY)

272 I must correct myself. My grandfather was drafted and fought in WWI, was awarded the Croix de Guerre, came home to his wife, had a son and daughter, and drank himself to death. But my dad said he was the kindest, gentlest man he ever knew. He died in his early 40's.

So maybe that wasn't such a great time. Duh.

My dad left Clemson as a junior when WWII broke out. He became an Army Aircorps test pilot. He looked after his widowed mother his whole life.

Every generation has their hell time. I'm just wondering if our Hell Time is now.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at May 26, 2010 10:09 PM (UOM48)

273 @247 OMFG... It's just COEXIST spelled sideways!!!

Posted by: stuiec at May 26, 2010 10:10 PM (dntNX)

274 Honestly, to be with both your parents and watch them pass peacefully as you recite prayers and speak to them gently and lovingly, is the greatest gift to yourself.

I've been blessed to watch two of the people I've loved most in this world pass. D'oh stood back in horror (sort of) watching my mother die (the week after D'oh Boy arrived at boot camp). His parents are much older and his mom an angry flaming lib. He has no idea how it feels to see a beloved parent off to Heaven.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at May 26, 2010 10:16 PM (UOM48)

275 @272 Various neuroscientists claim that the peri-mortal sensations and memories people experience are all artifacts of brain chhemistry. My feeling is that God is kind to have engineered our brains to create those kinds of sensations and perceptions just when we need them most.

Posted by: stuiec at May 26, 2010 10:17 PM (dntNX)

276
And I have to put up with my libertarian pastor and a Libertarian whack-job from our church talking just today on Facebook about how this is just Bush's third term. That Obama is a "war-monger" just like Bush. Bleah.

Posted by: Barb the Evil Genius at May 26, 2010 10:18 PM (5aVkt)

277 Most Republican pols are statists, too. They don't really have any objection to the Obamanization of America, they just want to be the ones to drive it after it's all in place.
I'm afraid I mostly agree with that.

Posted by: Rat Patrol at May 26, 2010 10:29 PM (dQdrY)

278 Tie both of them together and throw them down a bottomless well. Fun.

Posted by: torabora at May 26, 2010 10:41 PM (7qK4G)

279 This is what kills me. Here the liberals are supposed to be about standing up for the rights of women. How about the rights of women to not be raped and not be killed? According to this douchebag judge, no sex offender/murderer of women should be convicted of any crime because they suffer from sexual sadism syndrome. How can any Senator vote yes on this asshole? Should we all email them this video?
Posted by: runningrn at May 26, 2010 08:06 PM (CfmlF)
runningrn...killing fetuses is job one for DemoncRats. The women the serial killer whacked should have been aborted...in libtardland.

Posted by: torabora at May 26, 2010 10:46 PM (7qK4G)

280 This is one sick administration.....make that one sick group of dims in DC. But then we knew that.

Posted by: StrngernFiction at May 26, 2010 10:58 PM (rqGZJ)

281 The night my mother died, last fall, she told her nurse, just before I raced back to the hospital, she heard the most beautiful music. And there was an amazing, beautiful angel in her room waiting for her.
I have heard that same story from more people than I can remember, so you aren't crazy to think that it was real.
Yes, it's a Helllish time right now, but remember how we all felt on 9/11 and in the days that followed? I don't know about you, but I didn't know how we were EVER going to get through that - yet we did, and we ARE a stronger country because of it. BamBam and his ilk are showing the people of this country just how bad things can be when leftist Democrats are in charge, and it will be a VERY LONG TIME before this is allowed to happen again.
We will get through this, and I am heartened by the young people that I am seeing coming up the past few years. The liberals have managed - through their own misguided thinking on "reproductive rights" - to unreproduce themselves virtually out of existence in a very short period of time, while conservatives have continued to replenish their numbers (and their belief system). Just another one of those "unintended consequences" that short-sighted libs don't ever take into account while they are showing the rest of us how intellectually "superior" they are....
It's the same reason that the Chinese aren't going to be much of a problem over the next few decades - with their one-child policy, combined with their propensity to kill female babies, they will not be able to sustain their population or their economy much longer.
We're all here for each other, and that is more important than the libs realize. We're all across the nation; not in small pockets like we used to be, and that is truly scary for them (and rightfully so!).
"For I know the plans I have for you, sayeth the Lord; Plans to prosper you and not to harm you; Plans to give you a hope and a future" - Jeremiah 29:11
This one got me through the scary days after Daughter #4 was born with Down syndrome almost 9 years ago. I certainly never thought I would come through on the other side when I heard those 2 words only 2 hours after Rebecca was born. I certainly never imagined how truly wonderful life was going to be in the ensuing years.....

Posted by: Teresa in Fort Worth, TX at May 26, 2010 11:09 PM (Z0D1K)

282 When the rule of law means nothing, that's when people will take the law into their own hands. Last night (very early Wednesday morning actually) a thirty year old burglar-to-be broke into a house on Chicago's west side. He had a 22 caliber handgun. The eighty-year old homeowner had a 38 caliber handgun. The intruder took a shot and missed, the elderly homeowner took a shot and hit.
Burglar is dead. By the way did you know Chicago has the most restrictive gun laws in the country? Neither of those men should have had a gun. Both did. The old guy because he'd been robbed before and was not going to be a victim again.
Decent people are not going to accept their role as victim without a fight. Obama's nominee and others of his ilk are making the whole legal system a joke, if there is no justice why should we pretend it exists?

Posted by: Boots at May 26, 2010 11:24 PM (06JTY)

283 Hmmmm.

Cage Match!

Judge and Serial Killer go in, nobody comes out. We seal it in concrete and never talk about it again.

Posted by: memomachine at May 26, 2010 11:48 PM (MwCol)

284 Obama's angle appears to be evangelical nihilism. Not only does
he have no moral rudder - any Clinton can be amoral - but he believes
that a moral rudder on anybody else is a form of bigotry.

Nailed it.

Posted by: Derak at May 27, 2010 12:23 AM (Zr2Q4)

285 Ace, I recommend including the word "Chatigny" in your post so that people can find it easier via Google.

Posted by: Phil at May 27, 2010 12:37 AM (cBaCB)

286 154
WOW A Palin backed congressional candidate loses to a Tea Party candidate in Idaho! Tea Party rocks!!! Sarah not so much .

oh pffft. All three candidates were good, including Minnick, the D. He voted conservative on Stim/HC. and represented his constituency. Its up to Labrador to state his case and make it a race.
Looking forward to a reasoned debate. Not like we've seen elsewhere.

And I would be among the first to volunteer for Sarah's presidential campaign.



Posted by: Derak at May 27, 2010 12:38 AM (Zr2Q4)

287 Sent the story to Bill O'Reilly... he hates this kind of judge. I guess we'll see if he picks this up.

Posted by: Soon-to-be-Ex-ExZonie at May 27, 2010 01:01 AM (zzP3l)

288 I hate to be a pessimist, and don;t want to ruin your pep talk, but I don't think that the country learned anything from 9/11. AndI don't share your optimism anymore that the country will repudiate the leftist takeover, at least in the numbers necessary to overturn it.

Posted by: Damn Sockpuppet at May 27, 2010 01:41 AM (b+c3v)

289 Has any "aspiring journalist" thought to check out this judge's own - ahem - interest in - ahem - sexaul sadism?

Posted by: Ed Wallis at May 27, 2010 01:44 AM (6rRsS)

290 Well, at least it wasn't "rape-rape."

Posted by: Whoopsie Goldberg at May 27, 2010 02:07 AM (1kwr2)

291 When it comes to defending the rights of terrorists, rapists and serial killers, no one cares more about the defendant's rights than Barack Hussein Obama (PBUH).

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He possibly not be at fault for those things?





So how you like that free will ya got?

Posted by: fluffy, smart-ass theologian at May 26, 2010 10:06 PM (SwkdU)
So because I, oh, say, showed up for work one day on the day that some assholes happened to ram some planes into my workplace, I exercised free will and brought it on myself?Sorry. Can't buy that.

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295 Boots: "Decent people are not going to accept their role as victim without a fight. Obama's nominee and others of his ilk are making the whole legal system a joke, if there is no justice why should we pretend it exists?"
That's what jury nullification is for. Some states handle it better than others and one actually considers it a matter of pride: "Better to be judged by twelve than carried by six."

Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at May 27, 2010 07:46 AM (swuwV)

296 Here D'oh and I have been worrying about his deployment to Afghanistan. Now we've got bat shit crazy Kim Jung Il wanting to go out in a blaze of glory.

In the meantime, Presidon't Barry will have a terrific time in Chi-town this weekend. Douchebag.
Posted by: Jane D'oh at May 26, 2010 09:58 PM (UOM4

Well, maybe lil'Kim will keep your son there in Okinawa a while longer. That would be a positive outcome :-). I really doubt China's gonna let Kim get too onery.

Posted by: ingrid newkirk at May 27, 2010 08:55 AM (fuemy)

297 Is Judge Chatigny a sexual sadist? I wonder since he has so much empathy for rapist murderers.

This guy should not even be on the bench. Does Judge Chatigny have sexual sadist problems in his closet?

Hmmm. Only Obama would know.

Posted by: TexBob at May 27, 2010 09:09 AM (2jp4I)

298 The Pope is against the death penalty. The mullahs are for the death penalty.

Posted by: Georgie at May 27, 2010 09:17 AM (I+7Zv)

299 The mullahs are for the death penalty.

Especially for you.

Posted by: Luca Brasi at May 27, 2010 09:38 AM (YmPwQ)

300 "118 Tell me again, you folks like John McCain and Michael Medved and Bill Bennett, about how an Obama Presidency is nothing to fear, how he really wants the best for America, how he's really a traditional liberal. Tell me again how tasty that dinner was at George Will's house when Teleprompter Jeebus was elected.
Posted by: George Orwell "

These guys also thought Joe Liebermann running with McCain would be a real cool idea, too. Liebermann and Dodd recommended Chatigny for nomination.

Posted by: moi at May 27, 2010 09:47 AM (Ez4Ql)

301 But the American Bar Association rating panel has rated this maggot Unanimously Well Qualified. Chatigny is but an exceptionally gruesome symptom of the rot that inhabits the legal profession.

Posted by: Simon Oliver Lockwood at May 27, 2010 09:51 AM (VE5vJ)

302 Chatigny even cites the Ross case, as one of the ten (#10) most significant cases over which he presided, in the answers to the questionnaire he submitted to the Senate Judiciary Committee. Interestingly enough, he doesn't mention his unique views on what should be considered a mitigating factor within that answer.

Posted by: Simon Oliver Lockwood at May 27, 2010 09:59 AM (VE5vJ)

303 I need help. More than that, I need understanding. More than that, I need a justice system that takes into account my disease. I suffer fromFugtadawop Syndrome, named fon the sociologist who discovered this illness (and coincidentally, makes a convenient acronym for its characteristic, fill up gas tank and drive away without paying).

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Posted by: FireHorse at May 27, 2010 10:25 AM (cQyWA)

306 You morons! Don't you realize that it wasn't rape-rape or murder-murder.

Posted by: TimothyJ at May 27, 2010 10:29 AM (IKKIf)

307 Bad things happen
to good people. How in Hell can
He possibly not be at fault for those things?





So how you like that free will ya got?

Posted by: fluffy, smart-ass
theologian
FUBAR replies: "So because I, say, show up for work on the
day some assholes happened to ram some planes into my workplace, I
exercised free will and brought it on myself? Sorry, can't buy that."



The first line above is cited as one of the classic, legendary arguments used by Satan for the non-existence of God. A variation is "There is much pain and suffering in the world. A God who was both loving and all-powerful could never let his children suffer so. Ergo, no such being can exist."

But of course, if we are to have any significant growth, God *had* to give us the ability to make free choices; i.e. free will. That includes the ability to choose to hijack planes or shoot 16 unarmed soldiers or whatever.

But it's vital to realize that you didn't "bring it on yourself" (i.e. bad outcome) by showing up for work the day the planes hit (or anything else). It's a simple fact that in order for the free will of 7 billion humans (and a few hundred inhuman monsters) to be exercised, *their* choices must have consequences--including bad ones.

Posted by: sf at May 27, 2010 10:41 AM (eSMQV)

308 I think if you are a sadistic rapist and murderer compelled to hurt people for sexual gratificaiton then you could probably use a bit more lead in your diet. Or truck bumper. Or swimming pool water. Whichever. Apply "the cure" until the behavioral urge stops. For goodsies.

Posted by: cackfinger at May 27, 2010 10:43 AM (TUBcJ)

309 This useless judge is an example in favor of my friend CPT Charles's view that the radical Left is doing its best to collapse our society from within, so they can rebuild it to their liking afterward. It's definitely hypocritical, since after the revolution goblins like that rapist will be judged unfit member of the Workers and Farmers Collectives, and will be sent to the Gulf to mop up oil spills with Bounty towels.

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