Arizona Sheriff Says He Doesn't Know Why Loughner Shot Giffords And Others But He's Pretty Sure It's Because Of Republicans UPDATED With Video

This clown, Pima County Sheriff Clarence Dupnik, just gave an interview to Megyn Kelly on Fox News where he admitted he had no evidence about the Arizona shooting but then went on to speculate it involved Republican opposition to Democrat legislation, unidentified donors to political issue groups and free speech.

Keep in mind, Dupnik isn't just some guy or some local official...he's the lead investigator in this case. Why in the world is publicly speculating about this? It's political hackery and sheer incompetence of the highest order.

He also talked about how much he misses the America that existed when he was younger. He's in his mid 70s. So he misses things like Puerto Rican nationalists shooting 5 members of the House on the House floor, John and Robert Kennedy, Martin Luther King and on and on.

I don't have a link yet but it was quite a performance. He made similar remarks yesterday. Arizona Senator Jon Kyl smacked him around earlier today for yesterday's partisan attack.

Frank J. from IMAO caught the interview as well and this quote from Dupnik.

Just to reiterate, Sheriff Dupnik puts some of the blame of the shooting on "one party blocking another party from bettering this country."

Here's the interview, if you can stomach it.

Below the fold is a post I wrote back in April of this year but never got around to posting about Dupnik and his views on the Arizona immigration law. He talked about it on Countdown with Keith Olbermann (of course). He wasn't impressed by it but he also didn't seem to know what he was talking about.

Original Unpublished Post from April 29th, 2010:

One of the things that has really annoyed me about the 'debate' over Arizona's immigration law is the fact free nature of a lot of it. Last night Olbermann's show took it to a new level.

Keith interviewed the Pima County Arizona Sheriff, Clarence Dupnik. Sheriff Dupnik says he won't enforce the law because it's "racist". While explaining this, Dupnik made some strange statements.

First of all, law enforcement people—state and local law enforcement people—now have the authority to stop and detain people who they believe are illegal immigrants and turn them over to the border patrol.

We have been doing that for—I‘ve been a police officer here for 52
years, 30 years as sheriff—and we‘ve been doing that for as long as I‘ve
been a cop here. And the Pima County sheriff‘s department does that in
greater numbers than any other state and local law enforcement agency in
our state. We don‘t brag about that.

One of the reasons we do it is because we‘re situated directly in the
corridor from Mexico to the United States where the vast majority of
smuggling of contraband and illegals is taking place. And that‘s one of
the reasons that we do that.

But my objection to the state law that was enacted by the governor and
the legislature is twofold. One: I believe it‘s unconstitutional. I don‘t
think, as you pointed out earlier in this show, that the states have the
authority to preempt federal government when it comes to immigration
issues.

And second of all, I think it‘s going to be held unconstitutional on
the basis of the key phrase in the bill that says we can stop them and ask
them for papers and so forth on reasonable suspicion. Now, I‘ve been a cop for 52 years. I‘m not sure what reasonable suspicion means, and I suspect that‘s going to be constitutionally vague. (emphasis mine, DrewM.)

Um, if it's something you've been doing all along, why exactly is it suddenly "racist"?

Second and more troubling, is it really believable that this officer with over 50 years of law enforcement experience doesn't know what the standard for "reasonable suspicion" is? Even to my non-lawyer ears that sounded, um, wrong.

"Reasonable suspicion" goes back to a case called Terry v. Ohio and led to something widely known as a "Terry Stop". 29 states have so-called Stop and Identify laws. One of them is, wait for it, Arizona.

A. It is unlawful for a person, after being advised that the person's refusal to answer is unlawful, to fail or refuse to state the person's true full name on request of a peace officer who has lawfully detained the person based on reasonable suspicion that the person has committed, is committing or is about to commit a crime. A person detained under this section shall state the person's true full name, but shall not be compelled to answer any other inquiry of a peace officer.

B. A person who violates this section is guilty of a class 2 misdemeanor.

The emphasis is mine.

My point isn't that these laws are exactly the same. There are whole lines of cases about when detention begins, what people's rights are at various stages of detention and arrest and on and on. Seems the sheriff may need to do some home work.

If Sheriff Dupnik is still unclear on these points, perhaps he should consult Andy McCarthy's (a former federal prosecutor) post at The Corner.

Brief detentions are known in the law as "Terry stops" — thanks to the famous Supreme Court case of Terry v. Ohio, 392 U.S. 1 (196. Under Terry, a police officer may only detain a person if the officer has reasonable, articulable suspicion of criminal activity. This standard is not met by a hunch or a generalized suspicion — a cop who says to himself, "Those look like Mexicans, they must be up to no good," does not make the grade. Instead, the officer must be able to articulate specific facts which, together with the logical inference to be drawn from those facts, reasonably suggest that criminal activity has occurred or is imminent. Courts are deferential to the judgment of police officers — the standard is not what any person would think of the facts observed but what an experienced cop acting reasonably and responsibly would think. But there must be specific, describable indicia of criminal activity.

...Now, why do I say the Arizona law is more restrictive of police than is federal law? Well, the Supreme Court has held that one common rationale for a permissible Terry stop is to ascertain the identity of the person who is detained. That is, federal law would probably permit an inquiry into citizenship as a part of establishing who the detainee is — again, as long as the officer had a good reason for detaining the person in the first place.

The Arizona law, by contrast, does not give a cop this latitude. Instead, the officer is permitted to attempt to determine the person's immigration status only if, in addition to the initial contact being lawful, there also exists specific "reasonable suspicion that the person is an alien who is unlawfully present in the United States." As I noted above, our Fourth Amendment jurisprudence teaches that reasonable suspicion requires specific, articulable facts — not a hunch or generalized suspicion. Thus, the Arizona law requires that there be reasonable suspicion for both the initial stop (e.g., the police officer observed erratic driving and concluded the person might be intoxicated) and for pursuing a line of inquiry about whether the person is an illegal alien.

Read the whole post, it's rather instructive. Unless you prefer name calling and ill-informed commentary, in that case, stick with Olbermann and the like.

Are there reasonable points to be made against this law? Of course. The preemption objection clearly can be argued in good faith.

Might it be abused by cowboy cops? Yes, it might. Just like every other law might be and probably has. There will be time for these "as applied" challenges later. If the idea is that laws can't be passed because they might be abused were to take hold, well, we might as well but every legislature out of business (which is a whole other discussion).

Can on argue this is simply not good policy? Of course but that's a legislative issue, not a judicial one.

Posted by: DrewM. at 03:06 PM



Comments

1 Does Arizona have recall provisions for local sheriffs? If not, they may want to consider getting one passed - pronto.

Posted by: DocJ at January 09, 2011 05:10 PM (AWzOz)

2 Perfect

Posted by: USCitizen at January 09, 2011 05:10 PM (a1FJJ)

3 I said it this morning, this tool is a two-bit commie political hack. I still have my open question for the Gov of AZ. When this asshole refused to enforce the law in AZ which he is sworn to uphold why was he not relieved of duties and a new election held.

This scum should be removed from office.

Posted by: Vic at January 09, 2011 05:10 PM (M9Ie6)

4 Big-mouthed buffon.

Posted by: Cicero at January 09, 2011 05:11 PM (Ys0KI)

5 Does Arizona have recall provisions for local sheriffs?

You don't need a recall for a Sheriff that refuses to follow the law. He can be removed from office for malfeasance.

Posted by: Vic at January 09, 2011 05:11 PM (M9Ie6)

6 Jan Brewer needs to get in front of this clown and dress him down at the very very least.

This stack of red donuts is a disgrace.

Posted by: sifty at January 09, 2011 05:15 PM (b00Ut)

7 Makes Marshall Poole look like an angel.

Posted by: sifty at January 09, 2011 05:15 PM (b00Ut)

8 I listen to NPR, so I'm kind of an expert on the Constitution. "Four score and seven years ago" and all that.

Posted by: Sheriff Dope-nik at January 09, 2011 05:17 PM (M8mAs)

9 He's elected and a Democrat.

Ms. Kelly tried to make a fool of him, and largely succeeded.

Sad to say, but the big mass of "independent" voters will be swayed by the drumbeat that will not stop, done by the MSM, and we'll see during the week, liberal political Washington.

Posted by: Boris Yeltsin at January 09, 2011 05:18 PM (4sQwu)

10 Nip it. Nip it in the bud.

Posted by: Clarence Dupnik Fife at January 09, 2011 05:18 PM (Ys0KI)

11 All asshat, no cattle.

Posted by: t-bird at January 09, 2011 05:19 PM (M8mAs)

12 Opposebad legislation that no one in congress actually read, and you're no different that Timothy McVeigh.
Oppose democrat ideas - and you must be destroyed by taking the blame for the actions ofa crazy Communist Manifesto reading nit wit.

Posted by: Lemon Kitten at January 09, 2011 05:19 PM (0fzsA)

13 Maybe this here Sheriff Dipstik is hoping for a change of venue (at least).

Discovery on those previous death threats may not bode well for Comrade Sheriff.

Posted by: sifty at January 09, 2011 05:20 PM (b00Ut)

14 Is Tuscon that infested with liberals?

Posted by: havedash at January 09, 2011 05:23 PM (pQJ1M)

15 Sheriff Buford Dupshit.

Posted by: demoncrat at January 09, 2011 05:23 PM (FDgRX)

16 Megyn did a tremendously great job, made him look like a biased man who doesn't even know he's been exposed as a blatantly biased man leading an investigation. She asked him very good question, ya got proof? "nah, but this is what I think", the DAs's should must be cringing with all this bias out in the open and now on record while they are trying to build their cases.

Posted by: johnc_recent_EX-dem at January 09, 2011 05:23 PM (ACkhT)

17 This Sheriff is up to his eyeballs in this shit.

I smell a rat.

Posted by: eman at January 09, 2011 05:23 PM (0aJSF)

18 I've just been reminded of this this since the tragedy yesterday:

Richard Nixon scheming to get the FBI to pin Arthur Bremer's assassination attempt on George Wallace by "spreading some things around" in Bremer's apartment. These guys don't even bother with fake evidence. It's all in their point little heads.

Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at January 09, 2011 05:24 PM (GZITd)

19 What about those supposed letters from the kid? Who is in charge of safeguarding the evidence? How do we know that the sheriff isn't MANUFACTURING evidence?

I want this guy shut up, pronto. He is destroying the case with obvious bias and speculation on motive.

Absolutely unprofessional.

Posted by: Miss Marple at January 09, 2011 05:25 PM (Fo83G)

20 I watched it and all I needed to hear was him saying"... one party is doing everything they can to block the other party from making America a better place"
He's a pure dem lefty, pandering to his base in Pima County.

Posted by: Huckleberry at January 09, 2011 05:25 PM (fqOyi)

21 Gaaaah--I should have written that better--Nixon trying to pin the attempt on McGovern supporters.

Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at January 09, 2011 05:26 PM (GZITd)

22 This case closely parallels the case where Amy Bishop killed her brother 20 years ago in MA.

Posted by: eman at January 09, 2011 05:26 PM (0aJSF)

23 Last time a commie got caught alive, Jack Ruby took him out.

Pieces are moving around the board. A new Jack Ruby is probably waiting in the wings.

Posted by: sifty at January 09, 2011 05:26 PM (b00Ut)

24 Do these asshats believe this stuff or do they like making things up to bolster their positions? I hope it's the latter. If so it means they are evil instead of insane.

Posted by: dagny at January 09, 2011 05:27 PM (+Z6ve)

25 Nothin' for nothin', Drew, but it's PIMA County. Named after the Indian Native American tribe, y'know.

Posted by: MrScribbler© at January 09, 2011 05:27 PM (Ulu3i)

26 When Eisenhower marched the local German teabaggers through the death camps, they didn't get it either.

Posted by: nocce sacco at January 09, 2011 05:27 PM (Qc93O)

27 Insanity + politics+ crooked cops = nightmare.

Posted by: eman at January 09, 2011 05:27 PM (0aJSF)

28 Expect Barney Fife Jr. to lead the guy out to court in broad daylight.

Posted by: sifty at January 09, 2011 05:27 PM (b00Ut)

29 I think the sherrif may be right about hate speech. I think that Kos Post by blueboy a couple of days ago sent this lefty child killer over the edge.He had wanted to assasinate Giffords for 3 years, why now?I wouldn't be surprised if they didn't know each other since they are from the same area and are both left wing whack jobs.

Posted by: robtr at January 09, 2011 05:28 PM (hVDig)

30 I would suggest to the sheriff that he review the trial tapes of Mike Nifong.

Posted by: dagny at January 09, 2011 05:28 PM (+Z6ve)

31 Ira Hayes was a Pima Indian. FWIW.

Posted by: sifty at January 09, 2011 05:28 PM (b00Ut)

32 Wonder if Loughner is on sewercide watch?

Posted by: havedash at January 09, 2011 05:28 PM (pQJ1M)

33 Too bad we have a Social Justice Department instead of a Justice Department-- As a conservative, I'd say that a supposin' asshat like this might not be protecting my rights too scrupulously.

Posted by: nickless at January 09, 2011 05:28 PM (MMC8r)

34 I've seen multiple people using this man's mantra about racism and
bigotry on their Twitter pages. He's being regarded as a hero, when all he's doing is spreading hatred and lies.

Posted by: Miss'80sBaby at January 09, 2011 05:28 PM (RsCf8)

35 Here we have a:

(1) Flag-burning;
(2) "quite liberal"
(3) Communist Manifesto-liking
(4) atheist
(5) who murdered a Republican federal judge.

Clearly, then, he was influenced by Sarah Palin and the Tea Party.


Posted by: Masturbatin' Pete at January 09, 2011 05:28 PM (jmJF+)

36 Someone needs to shut down HIS "vitriol that comes out of certain mouths (about tearing down the government-- parenthesis mine). The anger, the hatred, the bigotry"...


Posted by: Cynthia at January 09, 2011 05:29 PM (lhhNH)

37 This case closely parallels the case where Amy Bishop killed her brother 20 years ago in MA.

Thanks, I was trying to remember what recent murderous lefty case that was...

Posted by: nickless at January 09, 2011 05:29 PM (MMC8r)

38 I'd like to hear Rush's take on this whole thing but I'll be at work. I'm not a subscriber...any way to hear it later?

Posted by: USS Diversity at January 09, 2011 05:29 PM (DLxD/)

39 He's trying to cover his ass. How'd the little douchebag manage to stay out of jail all this time?

Posted by: Jane D'oh at January 09, 2011 05:30 PM (UOM48)

40 Another iowahawk tour de force in the sidebar. The guy's talented.

Posted by: t-bird at January 09, 2011 05:30 PM (M8mAs)

41 This link posted earlier is still one of the best posts on what is going onwithin the delusionalDemocrat/MSM/left-wing echo chamber.

"Who knows what evidence will come forward in coming days, but based on what we know now, the attempt to blame Palin and opponents of Obama for the shooting is every bit as delusional as Loughner's attempt to blame government mind control."
-Mr. Jacobson

Posted by: Lemon Kitten at January 09, 2011 05:30 PM (0fzsA)

42 It is my considered opinion that Loughner was responding to incitement from Pimma County Sheriff Clarence Dupnik.

Yup, Clarence Dupnik needs to be indicted as a co-conspirator, without question.

(And I have precisely the same amount of justification for my statement as he has for his)

Posted by: steve at January 09, 2011 05:31 PM (s7ag+)

43 And does Grandpa Munster realize that the pinheads in Arizona that he just called bigots and rednecks are the ones that voted him in?

Posted by: nickless at January 09, 2011 05:31 PM (MMC8r)

44 Is this the same sheriff who said he wouldn't support Jan Brewer's legislation regarding illegals? Because I remember thinking that sheriff sounded like a liberal idiot.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at January 09, 2011 05:31 PM (UOM48)

45 He's trying to cover his ass. How'd the little douchebag manage to stay out of jail all this time?
Posted by: Jane at January 09, 2011 05:30 PM (UOM4
Not only that but if Arizona is supposed to be so dangerous and he knew all the rhetoric was going to cause violence why wasn't he protecting Giffords from being shot? Because he was negligent.

Posted by: robtr at January 09, 2011 05:32 PM (hVDig)

46 *ahem*

It's Pima County. (I used to have a horse by that name when we lived in AZ.)

Posted by: Jane D'oh at January 09, 2011 05:32 PM (UOM48)

47 20
"... one party is doing everything they can to block the other party from making America a better place" -Dupnik (D)
What a disgusting thing to say - people we're killed and he's using it as a political stunt, a poltical speech, a campaign spot.

Posted by: Lemon Kitten at January 09, 2011 05:33 PM (0fzsA)

48 That's him, Jane.

Posted by: havedash at January 09, 2011 05:33 PM (pQJ1M)

49 He is the LAST person who should be bringing politics into this.

He is the man in charge of investigating the murder of a 9 year old girl among others.

Awful. He is simply an awful human being.

Posted by: Timbo at January 09, 2011 05:33 PM (ph9vn)

50 I have a question for Sheriff Dopenik: where were the police/sheriffs?

usually any gathering by a group of people is at least under observation by a squad car.

Where were HIS deputies? Where was HE?

Luckily someone had the guts and knowledge to grab the 2nd magazine as he tried to reload. Want to bet she had knowledge of firearms? Want to be she's a little conservative?

Too bad this gathering didn't attract someone who was carrying. I would bet the death toll would've been less and summary justice would have been carried out on the spot.

Of course THEN the Media would be crying about 'Vigilantism' and the presence of firearms at a 'peaceful' gathering.


Posted by: jakee308 at January 09, 2011 05:34 PM (fhTf7)

51 One of things for which I devoutly wish -- after a swift and complete recovery for Rep Giffords, peace for the other victims' families and rapid, painful justice for the fuckin' killer -- is that the fallout from this crime results in a fast slide to oblivion for a number of big-mouthed individuals.

The list includes (but is hardly limited to) the FBI Director, Pima County Sheriff, numerous TV anchors and news directors who have milked everything they could from the news, sanctimonious members of Congress, Osama Obama (who couldn't be bothered to notice American war dead or the Fort Hood Victims but is all over this), Moulitsas, Frum, Olbermann, Jerry Rivers and everyone else who has tried to make political hay out of a senseless crime.

These ghouls don't even deserve contempt.

Posted by: MrScribbler© at January 09, 2011 05:35 PM (Ulu3i)

52 His comment to Megyn earlier about people "getting in front of mics and politicizing" was so ironic it broke my irony meter.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at January 09, 2011 05:35 PM (UOM48)

53 Posted by: Jane D'oh at January 09, 2011 05:32 PM

Isn't "Pima County" a weird name for a horse?

Posted by: MrScribbler© at January 09, 2011 05:36 PM (Ulu3i)

54 Too bad this gathering didn't attract someone who was carrying. I would bet the death toll would've been less and summary justice would have been carried out on the spot.
One of the guys that held the shooter down said he had a gun with him but didn't take it out because the guy was under control and he didn't want to frighten anybody. I don't know what he was doing while the shooter unloaded his pistol into the crowd.

Posted by: robtr at January 09, 2011 05:36 PM (hVDig)

55 The Left has shot (evil!) its wad and is doing the only thing it has left: incessantly screaming teh crazy as loud as possible.

Posted by: eman at January 09, 2011 05:38 PM (0aJSF)

56 @53

heh

Posted by: Jane D'oh at January 09, 2011 05:38 PM (UOM48)

57 Sherrif sounds like one of those conscience dreamers, one with a hard-on for repubs. He better be careful before he wets himself.

Posted by: sTevo at January 09, 2011 05:39 PM (hiMsy)

58 Dupnik is a Dem political hack. During the afternoon news conference with FBI Director Muller they kept Dip wade in the background. After Muller left Dupnik took questions, and it wasn't long that this a hole started accusing talk radio and gun legislation. I guess I'd ask the question, why did this happen on his watch? Keep this lefty away from the evidence.

Posted by: Buffalobob at January 09, 2011 05:39 PM (GwH6h)

59 LOL, Hillbuzz is calling him "Grandpa Munster".

Posted by: johnc_recent_EX-dem at January 09, 2011 05:39 PM (ACkhT)

60 If the MSM is successfully able to convince soccer moms and other key swing demographic groups that this had ANYTHING to do with the Tea Party, I have no faith in the future of this country.

Posted by: Spike at January 09, 2011 05:40 PM (WLxeI)

61 Every single American that watches the News is an enabler of the Left.

Stop watching it.

Stop watching TV.

Starve this beast.

Posted by: eman at January 09, 2011 05:40 PM (0aJSF)

62 LOL, Hillbuzz is calling him "Grandpa Munster".

Posted by: johnc_recent_EX-dem at January 09, 2011 05:39 PM (ACkhT)
LMAO!

Posted by: Tami at January 09, 2011 05:40 PM (VuLos)

63 I'm glad the killer didn't die. I'm waiting to hear him profess his love for all things Olbermann, Madcow, Chrissy, et al.

Watching those clowns try to spin that would be epic.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at January 09, 2011 05:40 PM (UOM48)

64 Can the AZ atty general replace him temporarily for this investigation, and to make sure he doesn't keep speaking like a democrat pundit?

Posted by: johnc_recent_EX-dem at January 09, 2011 05:41 PM (ACkhT)

65 holy shit, CNN is going non stop with the right and the tea party, everytime they run the story they keep mentioning the tea party, sarah palin ,etc.
Literally, non fucking stop.
CNN has gone full retard. I guess it's ratings are so bad they are going to try to out MSNBC, MSNBC.
Palin has replaced bush. She is responsible for everything. I literally mean everything.
I don't care for Palin, but this is unbelievable. I am sitting, watching cnn, with my mouth agape at their irresponsibility.
It's literally unbelievable. It's one thing to openly be in the tank for a candidate, as with Obama in 2008, but their hatred of the tea party and Palin knows no bound.
I don't know if anyone here is in the official Tea Party movement or knows anyone who is, but the Tea Party needs to cancel it's joint Primary Debate that it has set up with CNN.

Posted by: Ben at January 09, 2011 05:42 PM (DKV43)

66 The kicker on this is the fact that this Sheriff is spouting this stuff right after Obama says the same thing. Is he doing this on orders from the White House? Has this sheriff talked to the White House? Oh, and guess who started the whole it's the "political rhetoric" angle
to this whole thing and it's why where Sheriff What's His Nuts said it?
President Obama.

Here's the money paragraph:
The sheriff "singled out some of the political rhetoric, as you point
out, in creating the environment that allowed this kind of instance to
happen," Yellin told Blitzer. "Even though, as you point out, this
suspect is not cooperating with investigators, so we don't know the
motive. President Obama also delivered that message, saying it's partly
the political rhetoric that led to this. So that's why we want to
bring up one of the themes that's burning up the social media right now.

Posted by: CDR M at January 09, 2011 05:42 PM (5I8G0)

67 I try never to accuse malice when incompetence will do, but this guy is sounding like he wants a mistrial.

Posted by: sifty at January 09, 2011 05:43 PM (b00Ut)

68 LOL, Hillbuzz is calling him "Grandpa Munster".

Posted by: johnc_recent_EX-dem at January 09, 2011 05:39 PM

That's a terrible insult to Al Lewis, who portrayed Grandpa Munster.

I prefer to think of Dupnik as "Incompetent Asshole."

Posted by: MrScribbler© at January 09, 2011 05:43 PM (Ulu3i)

69 Ben, I'm on our local Tea Party committee. We have another meeting coming up, and I'm sure this will be a major topic.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at January 09, 2011 05:43 PM (UOM48)

70 Good God, he's a sheriff and he doesn't know what 'reasonable suspicion' means?

What a tool.

Posted by: JEM at January 09, 2011 05:44 PM (o+SC1)

71 It's all just so incredibly awful. The MSM showed much more restraint
less than 10yrs ago on 9/11, yet now they're promoting all this seething
hatred and violence coming from the Left. It's hard not to notice that
some of these Dem congressmen and women seem like they really wouldn't
have been concerned if Giffords had died, that they are more worried
about restoring the place of their party and of themselves than
anything. Why doesn't someone calmly and peacefully step into the breach and call them all on this?

Posted by: Miss'80sBaby at January 09, 2011 05:44 PM (RsCf8)

72 Ben,

watch paint dry instead.

CNN will rot your brain.

Posted by: eman at January 09, 2011 05:45 PM (0aJSF)

73 All asshat, no cattle.
...Chicken Dinner!

Posted by: garrett at January 09, 2011 05:46 PM (n7UUV)

74 Sheriff Dupnik(D) - using the deathsfor a pro-democrat anti-republican campaign.
Here's a conspiracy for you: Dupnik is in on the planning and the killing. The desperate for an issue democrats needed to kill Giffords (after all - as a moderate blue-dog, she's expendable) and blame the Tea Party/all Conservatives/ Palin - as a desperate political stunt and trick. Notice Dupnik's use of the tragedy as a pro-democrat campaign issue-- already. He's in on it. He has blood on his hands. He planned this right along with the democrat's leftwing dupe -Loughner.

Posted by: Lemon Kitten at January 09, 2011 05:46 PM (0fzsA)

75 What in the world is the response going to be when some lib loon unloads on a tea party rally? Seriously? I live in a town full of angry libtards.

I guess the MFM's response will be that we "brought it on ourselves" or something.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at January 09, 2011 05:46 PM (UOM48)

76 I thinkCNN firedSusan Roesgen because she was too unbiased for the network.

Posted by: Cicero at January 09, 2011 05:48 PM (Ys0KI)

77 Ancillary question; why do the crazies go after politicians so often yet don't go after anyone in the Media?

It's the Media who has lied the most, spun the most, obfuscated the most, blamed the innocent, vilified the powerless and general tried to stir up as much political sh*t as possible.

I can only hope that after Obama finishes in 2012 that the Media will have zero respect in any venue with all the credibility of some fleet street rag that always puts big-boobed women on it's front page.

They have lifted the curtain and I think people are getting the message; they're like a rabid dog. They served a purpose once but now they are a threat to the community and need to be euthanized.



Posted by: jakee308 at January 09, 2011 05:48 PM (fhTf7)

78 Well, if we see photos of Uncle Clarence and Mommy with Crazyboy at Democrat campaign headquarters...

Posted by: sifty at January 09, 2011 05:49 PM (b00Ut)

79 Just saw Megyn Kelly's interview with the nine-year-old victim's father.

I'm sorry, but Kelly is a heartless hack, more and more like Jerry Rivers in following that lust to exploit the pain of private citizens for her own gain.

This wasn't "journalism" or even "news." It was ghoulish and unacceptable. She should be ashamed of herself.

But she won't be.

Posted by: MrScribbler© at January 09, 2011 05:49 PM (Ulu3i)

80 When some commie lunatic unloads at a Tea Party rally, Keef and Rachel and Chrissy will all have orgasms on live TV. That's what will happen.

Then they'll blame Rush Limbaugh and Bush.

The playbook only has one page.

Posted by: sifty at January 09, 2011 05:51 PM (b00Ut)

81 I heard a rumor that ClarenceDupnik's friends and relatives all left the crowd a few minutes before the shooting started. Almost like they knew something was about to happen.

Posted by: George Boooosh at January 09, 2011 05:51 PM (Ys0KI)

82 There is an article in the sidebar by David Frum discussing marijuana use and schizophrenia. I can't tell if the comment provided with the link dismisses the idea completely or if the comment in the sidebar means that it is so obvious that drugs should be regulated that it doesn't need to be mentioned.

From Jared's videos it's obvious he is a complete loon and a person wonders how he functioned day to day. But, Jared also went to college so whatever went wrong in his head happened relatively recently. Personally, whenever I hear of a senseless violent crime I almost always assume that some type of drug was involved not as the primary cause but usually as a contributing factor.

Posted by: pitythefool at January 09, 2011 05:51 PM (BjQSh)

83
Never mind the assquackery. This senile fool could jeopardize the prosecution:

Defense counsel: Now sheriff, isn't it true that you know this was a political crime? That you said repeatedly on national television that you thought tea partiers were behind it? And is it also not true there is no evidence whatsoever that my dirtbag client the defendant was politically motivated or is a tea party adherent?

Posted by: P. Mason at January 09, 2011 05:51 PM (u+8qs)

84 I think we can coin a term for these Lefties who are using this and other tragedies in a Reichstag Fire fashion ;

Hearse Chasers

Posted by: kbdabear at January 09, 2011 05:51 PM (vdfwz)

85
I already blew my nut on this topic with about 400 comments yesterday. I'm burnt.

Posted by: Leftover Soothsayers at January 09, 2011 05:53 PM (AvO0L)

86 A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear surveying equipment, shall not be infringed.

Posted by: 2nd Amendment Guy at January 09, 2011 05:53 PM (3cFcY)

87 Re: Kelly's interview with the dead child's father. She actually asked the poor man what the last thing he said to his daughter was.

Pure voyeurism.


Posted by: P. Mason at January 09, 2011 05:53 PM (u+8qs)

88 I guess the MFM's response will be that we "brought it on ourselves" or something.
Posted by: Jane D'oh at January 09, 2011 05:46 PM (UOM4
Slow down. This is some good shit.

Posted by: The MFM, Lousy At Shorthand at January 09, 2011 05:53 PM (Ys0KI)

89 The answer, of course, is to curbyour access to free speech.
Since so many people are against ObamaCare, and they are obviously all crazy mass-murderers no different from Loughner or McVeigh, then we must do what is right and stop the vitriol.Leftwing vitriol is fine. It’s the right wing vitriol and opposition to pure democrat purity that is so troublesome.
Free speech must be sifted and pre-approved first by the proper authority. (D)

Posted by: Sheriff Dipshit at January 09, 2011 05:54 PM (0fzsA)

90 84 Usually when someone goes way wrong they are either completely nuts---their bi-polar disorder or depression has reached a chemical climax or there are drugs and alcohol involved, or both since I think someanxious/depressed people self medicate.I think marriages go wrong for the same reasons except with thatone you can add adultery. My nephew married a pothead wino harvard lawyer. I'm waiting for that one to go bad.

Posted by: dagny at January 09, 2011 05:55 PM (+Z6ve)

91 Conspiracy theories are in bad taste and goofy, but this tragedy seems destined to spawn a million of them.

I'm gonna shut up until I learn more. I really want to know about the prior threats and what was in that house.

Lawyers, put down the goblet of blood and answer me this:

Can we get the killer's prior record through FOIA or some other public records thing?

My experience is mostly from the back seat of the squad car, not the front.

Posted by: sifty at January 09, 2011 05:55 PM (b00Ut)

92
"The Republican health care plan: die quickly."
--Alan Grayson
September 2009

Posted by: Leftover Soothsayers at January 09, 2011 05:55 PM (2O5Hd)

93 Wait wait wait. And the leftists accuse us of living in an idealized past, right?

Posted by: Sir Couch at January 09, 2011 05:55 PM (Qi+1I)

94 pitythefool at January 09, 2011 05:51 PM (BjQSh)

He was batshit crazy in college too:

The school said Loughner had as many as five run-ins with campus police for “classroom and library disruptions,” and was suspended after college police discovered a YouTube video apparently created by Loughner in which he claimed the college is “illegal.” Rather than return to school, Loughner dropped out, the statement said.

One Pima Community College student, who had a poetry class with Loughner, said he would often act “wildly inappropriate.”

“One day [Loughner] started making comments about terrorism and laughing about killing the baby,” classmate Don Coorough told ABC News, referring to a discussion about abortions. “The rest of us were looking at him in shock … I thought this young man was troubled.”

Another classmate, Lydian Ali, recalled the incident as well.

“A girl had written a poem about an abortion. It was very emotional and she was teary eyed and he said; something about strapping a bomb to the fetus and making a baby bomber,” Ali said

(source http://tinyurl.com/2b895za)

Posted by: ol_dirty_/b/tard at January 09, 2011 05:56 PM (omlt3)

95 Have some sympathy for Dumnik

The drug lords control so much of Pima County that his jurisdiction is down to a the parking meters in downtown Tucson

Posted by: kbdabear at January 09, 2011 05:56 PM (vdfwz)

96 The Left is desperate.

Their Regime is crumbling.

They lost the House and hundreds of local races.

They know the Senate and White House are next.

They know Sarah Palin can beat (hater!) Mini-Mao.

Posted by: eman at January 09, 2011 05:56 PM (0aJSF)

97 When the law enforcement officials had that news conference earlier than the Megyan Kelly interview, this tool blamed the open gun laws in Arizona for the crime. It looks like he would love to see Arizona have the same draconian gun laws that California and New York have.

Posted by: Stan at January 09, 2011 05:56 PM (N1Gru)

98 Change the fucking record already. Kelly's the best thing on that network.


Posted by: The War Between the Undead States at January 09, 2011 05:50 PM

I'm beginning to agree with that opinion.

That's why I've stopped watching Fox News.

Posted by: MrScribbler© at January 09, 2011 05:56 PM (Ulu3i)

99 Did any of these same fucks complain when people were saying Bush murdered 3000 Americans and were accusing him of starting wars to steal oil?

Posted by: Mr Pink at January 09, 2011 05:56 PM (h2+O0)

100 I blame heated right wing rhetoric for the Saints loss to the Seahawks yesterday

Posted by: Keith Olbermann at January 09, 2011 05:57 PM (vdfwz)

101 85 Are we sure this quack isn't Mike Nifong in disguise? Remember Nifong getting on TV and demonstrating the pretend "rape jacket" and his "knowing" how the whore was raped. Except then she was a student and single mother. I wonder if Jesse Jackson ever paid her tuition? Probably not since I think she went to jail for something else later.

Posted by: dagny at January 09, 2011 05:57 PM (+Z6ve)

102 Dupnik is going to be fired all the way to a nice lobbying job or a desk at Homeland Security.

Posted by: sifty at January 09, 2011 05:57 PM (b00Ut)

103 Well, I hate to say this but the British media is running full tilt with the "Palin-caused-the shooting" meme. Both the main TV channels (BBC ITV) featured that creep Dupnik and ran the Palin targets on a map story. No attempt whatsoever to mention the guy's Leftist leanings instead lots of comments about "America's right wing will have to tone down their violent rhetoric". So, there you have it... thanks to our crap leftist media, 99% of the British people will now believe this story isall about Palin and the violence of Right-Wing America .....

Posted by: David Jay at January 09, 2011 05:58 PM (wncJO)

104 following that lust to exploit the pain of private citizens for her own gain.


I think "reporters" who shove microphones into the faces of family
members who clearly don't want to be on camera should be charged with
assault, but that's not what happened today. An interview request is not a subpoena. He could have declined the interview, citing grief, and hung up the phone.

Posted by: HeatherRadish at January 09, 2011 05:58 PM (4ucxv)

105 When the law enforcement officials had that news conference earlier than the Megyan Kelly interview, this tool blamed the open gun laws in Arizona for the crime.
I would never have killed those people if carrying a firearm was illegal in Arizona. That would be breaking the law.

Posted by: Jared Laughner, Book Fair Assistant at January 09, 2011 05:58 PM (Ys0KI)

106 What would have today's media reported the shootout at the OK Corral? They would have made the Clanton gang into a bunch of heroes and the Earp Brothers and Doc Holliday out as the bad guys. Oh wait, some circles already do.

Posted by: Stan at January 09, 2011 05:59 PM (N1Gru)

107 65
I wouldn't be surprised if CNN isn't outright goading someone to act out violently against them just so they can say, "see, we told you those tea-baggers are violent - they are responsible for shooting all those people and now they have attacked us for reporting it."
Scum!

Posted by: havedash at January 09, 2011 06:00 PM (pQJ1M)

108 Heather, the mom was on with Gretchen on Fox this morning, and later on MSNBC. She sounded incredibly calm and together.


Posted by: Jane D'oh at January 09, 2011 06:00 PM (UOM48)

109 Fuck the British. All the brave ones died in the trenches.

Posted by: sifty at January 09, 2011 06:00 PM (b00Ut)

110
Every single American that watches the News is an enabler of the Left.



Stop watching it.



Stop watching TV.



Starve this beast.

Posted by: eman at January 09, 2011 05:40 PM (0aJSF)

Don't stop watching. (that would be too hard to accomplish) Do watch only those that are not gag inducing.The thing to do about the Media is notify their advertisers that although you have to keep watching, you will endeavor to stop buying the products of those who support this kind of television. (many of the companies advertising are owned or are owners of the stations they appear in ads on.)Declare yourself to as many advertisers as possible. If enough people do this THEY WILL LISTEN.Companies are all about appearance and public perception.Let's start an email campaign to notify these advertisers of our disappointment and disfavor over their sponsorship of Hate and Political division. Throw the Left's words back at them.
It will resonate with ad buyers.

Posted by: jakee308 at January 09, 2011 06:00 PM (fhTf7)

111 Can we get the killer's prior record through FOIA or some other public records thing?
Privacy Act protects most things. A fact lost on the Fox nitwits this morning when they said in an offended tone that the Army would not comment....based on Privacy Act provisions. I swear that the vast majority of the talking heads on every network would just sit there and drool if the teleprompters went dead.

Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at January 09, 2011 06:00 PM (GZITd)

112 I wonder if Jesse Jackson ever paid her tuition? Probably not since I think she went to jail for something else later.

I'm pretty sure those things aren't mutually exclusive, especially given her drug use.

Posted by: HeatherRadish at January 09, 2011 06:01 PM (4ucxv)

113 I swear that the vast majority of the talking heads
on every network would just sit there and drool if the teleprompters
went dead.

Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at January 09, 2011 06:00 PM (GZITd)
I happen to know someone else that would too.

Posted by: TOTUS at January 09, 2011 06:02 PM (VuLos)

114 97
Have some sympathy for Dumnik

The drug lords control so much of Pima County that his jurisdiction is down to the parking meters in downtown Tucson



Posted by: kbdabear at January 09, 2011 05:56 PM

We want to have a meeting about those parking meters. La Mordida, amigo

Posted by: Carlos Ramirez, legitimate pharmaceutical salesman at January 09, 2011 06:02 PM (vdfwz)

115 This is a possible death penalty trial and sheriff ass-face is running his mouth?

Posted by: FlaviusJulius at January 09, 2011 06:02 PM (SJ6/3)

116 "I am deeply disturbed by the negative tone of the
McCain-Palin campaign.
What I am seeing today reminds me too much of another
destructive period in American history. Sen. McCain and Gov.
Palin are sowing the seeds of hatred and division, and there is
no need for this hostility in our political discourse.

[Wallace] created the
climate and the conditions that encouraged vicious attacks
against innocent Americans who were simply trying to exercise
their constitutional rights. Sen. McCain and Governor Palin are playing with fire, and
if they are not careful, that fire will consume us all."
--John Lewis
October 13, 2008

Posted by: Leftover Soothsayers at January 09, 2011 06:02 PM (AvO0L)

117
Same shit, different day.

Posted by: Leftover Soothsayers at January 09, 2011 06:02 PM (2O5Hd)

118 "Does Arizona have recall provisions for local sheriffs?"

"You don't need a recall for a Sheriff that refuses to follow the law. He can be removed from office for malfeasance."

By who? The Arizona Constitution does have a recall provision, but keep in mind you'd be relying on the good judgment of the people who elected this imbecile in the first place. It's possible the legislature could impeach him, but that depends on whether a county sheriff is a "state officer" within the meaning of the state constitution.

Posted by: Dave J. at January 09, 2011 06:02 PM (DCQ0q)

119 It's probably been pointed out but Sheriff Douchebag admitted Loughtner was investigated for making death threats but let go. So he failed in his job of preventing this crime. More so, who were these death threats against? Clearly public officials. But not the Dem congresswoman in the hospital right now. So that leads em to believe death threats against Republicans. Now let's piece this together. We have a leftist Sheriff who ignores death threats against because hey they were Republicans and people ended up dead. This Sheriff should be in jail.

Posted by: Chicago Jedi at January 09, 2011 06:02 PM (6ftzF)

120 Clarence Dupnik, sounds like a character from a National Lampoon's flick.

Posted by: ErikW at January 09, 2011 06:03 PM (a3VJ9)

121 President Obama also delivered that message, saying it's partly
the political rhetoric that led to this.

Here's some of that dangerous rhetoric that Obama was talking about:

"...so I know whose ass I have to kick."
"They bring a knife to the fight, we bring a gun."
"Argue with them and get in their face."
"Punish our enemies."

Anyone want to take a guess at who said those things? That's right. Barack Obama. And now a Republican judge is dead at the hands of a liberal.

Posted by: Masturbatin' Pete at January 09, 2011 06:03 PM (jmJF+)

122
“It is absolutely reminiscent of second class status of Jews in Germany
prior to World War II when they had to have their papers with them at
all times and were subject to routine inspections at the suspicion of
being Jewish,”

Rep. Jared Polis (D-Colo)
April 26, 2010

Posted by: Leftover Soothsayers at January 09, 2011 06:03 PM (2O5Hd)

123
ahh, shit

^ he's talking about the AZ law

Posted by: Leftover Soothsayers at January 09, 2011 06:04 PM (2O5Hd)

124 Heather, the mom was on with Gretchen on Fox this morning, and later on MSNBC. She sounded incredibly calm and together.

I find that weird, but I realize everyone grieves differently.

Posted by: HeatherRadish at January 09, 2011 06:04 PM (4ucxv)

125 seems to me that this sheriff needs to answer some questions as to how this nut was able to obtain a gun legally after his history and record.

Posted by: Jeff at January 09, 2011 06:04 PM (vk4zM)

126 He probably threatened the Governor or possibly Saint Joe Arpaio.

Posted by: FlaviusJulius at January 09, 2011 06:05 PM (SJ6/3)

127 Let's start an email campaign to notify these advertisers of our disappointment and disfavor over their sponsorship of Hate and Political division. Throw the Left's words back at them.

It will resonate with ad buyers.

Posted by: jakee308 at January 09, 2011 06:00 PM (fhTf7)

Fifty million cable subscriptions getting cancelled in 24 hours would do a better job.

Posted by: eman at January 09, 2011 06:05 PM (0aJSF)

128 seems to me that this sheriff needs to answer some
questions as to how this nut was able to obtain a gun legally after his
history and record.

Posted by: Jeff at January 09, 2011 06:04 PM (vk4zM)
He had no record....he was FBI approved for his gun....because he had no record.

Posted by: TOTUS at January 09, 2011 06:05 PM (VuLos)

129 [Wallace] created the
climate and the conditions that encouraged vicious attacks
against innocent Americans who were simply trying to exercise
their constitutional rights.

John Lewis, forgetting Arthur Bremer, October 13, 2008

Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at January 09, 2011 06:06 PM (GZITd)

130 Damn sock.

Posted by: Tami at January 09, 2011 06:06 PM (VuLos)

131
22 This case closely parallels the case where Amy Bishop killed her brother 20 years ago in MA.
Posted by: eman at January 09, 2011 05:26

Bingo.

The DHS document Fox published questions why he had no record? Implies that they are questioning whether there was intervention to keep his record clean.

Posted by: barbarausa at January 09, 2011 06:06 PM (gRgC6)

132 When do you think Palin is going to felons to all this? It's smart to not be political about this until the blood is dry. She is not Dubya, she will respond. I expect her taking the high road while giving these butt hole libs a slap in the dick or (or tic tac if we are talking Markos). I want her to run and win so bad now in 2012. The ULTIMATE liberal head explosion. IMAGINE MSNBS!

Posted by: Flapjackmaka at January 09, 2011 06:07 PM (c5RQr)

133 He did something in Communisty College. There should be a record of that.

Posted by: FlaviusJulius at January 09, 2011 06:08 PM (SJ6/3)

134 All fun and games until somebody loses a representative.

Posted by: political hacks covering for crazies at January 09, 2011 06:09 PM (b00Ut)

135 ^ 134
shhh. I meant "respond" not "felons"

Posted by: Flapjackmaka at January 09, 2011 06:09 PM (c5RQr)

136 How much is the lefty-machine paying sheriff Dipshit to say these things?

Posted by: Stillwater at January 09, 2011 06:10 PM (0GpN4)

137 He did something in Communisty College. There should be a record of that.

Posted by: FlaviusJulius at January 09, 2011 06:08 PM (SJ6/3)
Not a criminal record. They just threw him out of school.

Posted by: Tami at January 09, 2011 06:10 PM (VuLos)

138
Did you ever think we'd be at the point where we're being brow-beaten by the Ayers/Dorn wing of the Democrat party about violence?

This is surreal.

Posted by: Leftover Soothsayers at January 09, 2011 06:11 PM (2O5Hd)

139 A report said that a policeman accompanied the folks who kicked him out of school. Might be some sort of report.

Posted by: sifty at January 09, 2011 06:11 PM (b00Ut)

140 I think it involved weed.

Posted by: FlaviusJulius at January 09, 2011 06:12 PM (SJ6/3)

141 Grenades, not Glocks!


Posted by: Ayers and Dorn Radicals, Inc. at January 09, 2011 06:13 PM (b00Ut)

142
"They told the stories at times
they had personally raped, cut off ears, cut off heads, taped
wires from portable telephones to human genitals and turned up
the power, cut off limbs, blown up bodies, randomly shot at civilians,
razed villages in fashion reminiscent of Genghis Khan, shot cattle
and dogs for fun, poisoned food stocks, and generally ravaged
the countryside of South Vietnam in addition to the normal ravage
of war, and the normal and very particular ravaging which is done
by the applied bombing power of this country."

-- John Kerry
April 22, 1971

Posted by: Leftover Soothsayers at January 09, 2011 06:14 PM (2O5Hd)

143 @#7 - nice Open Range ref....

Posted by: Frank G at January 09, 2011 06:14 PM (4X0aT)

144 A report said that a policeman accompanied the folks who kicked him out of school. Might be some sort of report.

Posted by: sifty at January 09, 2011 06:11 PM (b00Ut)
Probably just to scare him to go. They had trouble getting him to leave on prior attempts. He wasn't charged and convicted of anything.
Now, if they had slapped him his momma might have made and issue of it.

Posted by: Tami at January 09, 2011 06:14 PM (VuLos)

145 w.Did you ever think we'd be at the point where we're being brow-beaten by the Ayers/Dorn wing of the Democrat party about violence?
Posted by: Leftover Soothsayers at January 09, 2011 06:11 PM (2O5Hd)
This has been predicted for quite some time. We all knew that the more we kicked their ass, the more unhinged they'd become.
Lefties devolve into violence, that's what we're seeing now.

Posted by: ErikW at January 09, 2011 06:15 PM (a3VJ9)

146 Now it's just my opinion, but I have no doubt in my mind that Sheriff Limpdick's decades-long habit of masturbating to child porn and feeling up his grandchildren have clouded his thinking to the point where he just can't stop spewing this non-stop hate speech. It's really a shame that a known sex offender would allow a multiple homicide to occur while he was playing with himself. Just my opinion.

Posted by: What mindles tools Dems are at January 09, 2011 06:15 PM (4o/Qp)

147 Someone Slapped Jarred!

Posted by: sifty at January 09, 2011 06:15 PM (b00Ut)

148 I've been on here all afternoon. I need a palate cleanser.

Real Hos of Beverly Hills, here I come.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at January 09, 2011 06:15 PM (UOM48)

149
We were kicking their ass while they were taking over the public and private education system and infiltrating the government.


Posted by: Leftover Soothsayers at January 09, 2011 06:17 PM (AvO0L)

150 Man, it would sure be fun to play with the Sheriff's cellphone.

Let's see who's on speed dial.

Posted by: eman at January 09, 2011 06:17 PM (0aJSF)

151 Wasn't the VT shooter also a well-known nutjob who got away with it for years?

Posted by: USS Diversity at January 09, 2011 06:17 PM (DLxD/)

152 Does it matter at all that the only politician in Washingtonwho is friends with someone who actually bombed a government building is ourPresident? – Bill Ayers actually did that.

Posted by: JDW at January 09, 2011 06:18 PM (p6kTq)

153 He needs to get pulled off this case. Any decent defense attorney will have a field day with the crap he's spewing.

Posted by: Y-not at January 09, 2011 06:19 PM (pW2o8)

154 Stop watching TV.

Not until after the Super Bowl.

Posted by: Reiver at January 09, 2011 06:19 PM (RFTUX)

155 It's good to see the lefties renounce violence in the political process. Does this mean they will finally reject Bill Ayers and his Weathermen bombings? Will Obama renounce his association with his old pal and leftist terrorist?

Posted by: Tantor at January 09, 2011 06:20 PM (Ek/Oc)

156 It's possible the legislature could impeach him, but that depends on
whether a county sheriff is a "state officer" within the meaning of the
state constitution.

In most States the Governor or other concerned officials can bring action in the State courts to have him removed. It doesn't take the legislature or a recall provided he has done something that is indicative of malfeasance or professional misconduct.

Posted by: Vic at January 09, 2011 06:20 PM (M9Ie6)

157 From a lefty commenter on some dopey "New Yorker" article:

freedom of speech was never meant for what it's used for today

Yep. There's a libtard brain for ya.

Posted by: The Mega Indepedent at January 09, 2011 06:22 PM (5I0Yr)

158 Okay, so I haven't read all the comments here (every time I refresh there are a ton more to read), so sorry if this has been pointed out already:

Why did the FBI head go down personally when he didn't at any of the other recent homegrown terrorist attacks?

Posted by: momma at January 09, 2011 06:22 PM (penCf)

159 Vic, I think by Wednesday that won't be a problem. If Muller can't muzzle Dipstik (which is why I think Barry sent him down there), he'll have talked himself into a charge or two of his own.

Posted by: sifty at January 09, 2011 06:22 PM (b00Ut)

160 One of the guys that held the shooter down said he had a gun with him but didn't take it out because the guy was under control and he didn't want to frighten anybody. I don't know what he was doing while the shooter unloaded his pistol into the crowd.

Not shooting into the crowd, possibly.

Posted by: arhooley at January 09, 2011 06:22 PM (Dks0L)

161 We were kicking their ass while they were taking over the public and private education system and infiltrating the government.
Posted by: Leftover Soothsayers at January 09, 2011 06:17 PM (AvO0L)
You know what I mean. The pushback from the Nov. elections has the Commie freaks going batshit unhinged crazy right now. That's a good thing.

Posted by: ErikW at January 09, 2011 06:22 PM (a3VJ9)

162 Classic deflection. This kid is nuts and should have been institutionalized months, if not years ago.

The Sheriff knows it and did nothing about it- most likely because of the kid's family.

Now the whole thing has blown up and the loony kid has gone and killed a bunch of people and the Sheriff is trying to shift the blame to Rush Limbaugh and Sarah Palin in the vain hope that nobody will notice the blatant fact that all the victims would still be alive today if he had done his freaking job and gotten the kid off the street six months ago.

Craven cowardice is not something that is endearing in a law enforcement officer.

Posted by: Nighthawk at January 09, 2011 06:23 PM (Ka/Mg)

163 seems to me that this sheriff needs to answer some
questions as to how this nut was able to obtain a gun legally after his
history and record.

Posted by: Jeff at January 09, 2011 06:04 PM (vk4zM)
He isn't barred from buying/owning a gun unless convicted of a felony. The SOB doesn't even have a record, much less a conviction. That is one of the things the stupid gas bag of a Sheriff has to answer for and why he is lawyered up.

Posted by: Vic at January 09, 2011 06:23 PM (M9Ie6)

164 Pieces of immoral shit who are too dumb to walk and chew gum and have the buttugliest children you ever did see are responsible for this because they say nasty things about others. I hate them.

Posted by: Sheriff Stumpylildick in Pima at January 09, 2011 06:23 PM (TbMv0)

165 This Sheriff has a boss.

His boss is obviously ok with this shit or for some reason is not taking action.

Posted by: eman at January 09, 2011 06:23 PM (0aJSF)

166 Remember when that hippie got "curb-stomped" and the Left was all like "there's nothing wrong with people assaulting Rand Paul with signs"?

Posted by: Blackford Oakes at January 09, 2011 06:24 PM (MadRw)

167 Is it so hard to imagine that a man who attempted to assassinate a Democrat might have been opposed to Democrats?

Why the insistence that he's liberal? Because some kid said so on twitter?

Posted by: Really? at January 09, 2011 06:24 PM (3cFcY)

168 This Sheriff has a boss. His boss is obviously ok with this shit or for some reason is not taking action.
Posted by: eman at January 09, 2011 06:23 PM (0aJSF)

Posted by: robtr at January 09, 2011 06:25 PM (hVDig)

169 Posted by: Nighthawk at January 09, 2011 06:23 PM (Ka/Mg)

Yep.

He knows his ass is grass.

Posted by: eman at January 09, 2011 06:26 PM (0aJSF)

170 I will gladly use these dead people to push the pro-democrat agenda.

Posted by: Sheriff Dipshit at January 09, 2011 06:27 PM (0fzsA)

171 This Sheriff has a boss. His boss is obviously ok with this shit or for some reason is not taking action.
Posted by: eman at January 09, 2011 06:23 PM (0aJSF)
I'm not sure about that, where I live the sherrif is elected and can do about anything she wants. She just got into it with the county council regarding how she spends her budget and she told them to STFU that she is a seperate branch of government.

Posted by: robtr at January 09, 2011 06:27 PM (hVDig)

172 I saw some local Dem being interviewed on CNN late Saturday say -- I couldn't verify -- that the sheriff had been Gifford's campaign chairman. Any chance there's any truth to that?

Posted by: Jim Oberg at January 09, 2011 06:29 PM (x1cuw)

173 I'm not sure about that, where I live the sherrif is elected and can do about anything she wants. She just got into it with the county council regarding how she spends her budget and she told them to STFU that she is a seperate branch of government.

Posted by: robtr at January 09, 2011 06:27 PM (hVDig)


There is always a chain of command. Even the Governor can be removed by the Legislature.
Someone or something can order him to stop.
They ain't even tryin'.

Posted by: eman at January 09, 2011 06:29 PM (0aJSF)

174 Troll or just plain obtuse?

Answer your own questions. Try using a search engine.

Posted by: eman at January 09, 2011 06:30 PM (0aJSF)

175 Soooooooooooooo I was about 11 when Reagan was shot and no one blamed the lefties who were spewing vile against him. And they hated Reagan.

Posted by: Nora Trane at January 09, 2011 06:30 PM (TbMv0)

176 Wrote to Jan Brewer today. Asked her to please hold a press conference and to please tell Dipstik to STFU and STFD.


Posted by: sifty at January 09, 2011 06:31 PM (b00Ut)

177 They ain't even tryin'.

And again I ask. Where is Gov. Brewer? She needs to be the one on the tube, not this jackwagon.

Posted by: Y-not at January 09, 2011 06:31 PM (pW2o8)

178 @178

Great minds.

Posted by: Y-not at January 09, 2011 06:31 PM (pW2o8)

179 Posted by: Really? at January 09, 2011 06:24 PM (3cFcY)
It's not hard to imagine anything, lefturd. The problem is that imagining it isn't evidence for it. That's alesson that dumbfuckslike you haven't absorbed yet.
Now go back to yourdeep fryer and leave the big thinking to the grownups.

Posted by: Cicero at January 09, 2011 06:32 PM (Ys0KI)

180 Acceptable: "We came unarmed (this time)"
http://tinyurl.com/We-came-unarmed-this-time

Unacceptable: "The anger, the hatred, the bigotry that goes on in this country is getting to be outrageous."

Posted by: Really? at January 09, 2011 06:32 PM (3cFcY)

181 Yep.

He knows his ass is grass.

Posted by: eman at January 09, 2011 06:26 PM (0aJSF)

And what really infuriates me is the fact that instead of just shutting his pie hole, doing his job, and letting the chips fall where they may he is engaging in what amounts to slander in an attempt to save his ass.

As some commentator on the news put it; "Wyatt Earp he isn't".

Posted by: Nighthawk at January 09, 2011 06:32 PM (Ka/Mg)

182 Really?

Kos or DU or Carless Jonson?

Posted by: sifty at January 09, 2011 06:33 PM (b00Ut)

183
freedom of speech was never meant for what it's used for today



was it Drew?

Posted by: Leftover Soothsayers at January 09, 2011 06:33 PM (NwOSU)

184 I saw some local Dem being interviewed on CNN
late Saturday say -- I couldn't verify -- that the sheriff had been
Gifford's campaign chairman. Any chance there's any truth to that?


Posted by: Jim Oberg at January 09, 2011 06:29 PM (x1cuw)
Nope, Rodd McLeod was her campaign chair for both elections.Google is your friend...well, not really but it's sometimes useful.

Posted by: Tami at January 09, 2011 06:34 PM (VuLos)

185 he is engaging in what amounts to slander in an attempt to save his ass.

If you're talking about the Sheriff, the thing that gets my goat is we have a live perp and this moron is jeopardizing the prosecution.

Posted by: Y-not at January 09, 2011 06:34 PM (pW2o8)

186 If your political messaging traffics in rhetoric heavy on gun imagery and revolution of the overthrow-y sort, then when someone shoots a congressperson who you opposed, then guess what: You get to spend some uncomfortable moments in the spotlight being asked if it’s not reasonable to suspect a connection between your rhetoric and the actions of a shooter targeting someone you’ve opposed.

Posted by: Really? at January 09, 2011 06:34 PM (3cFcY)

187 Why did the FBI head go down personally when he didn't at any of the other recent homegrown terrorist attacks?
Doesn't suprise me given that a federal judge and Congresswoman were shot.

Posted by: Mama AJ at January 09, 2011 06:35 PM (XdlcF)

188 When will Sarah Palin be cleared as a suspect?

Posted by: Cherry π at January 09, 2011 06:35 PM (+sBB4)

189 Really?

Bend yourself into a pretzel for us and explain the fucking Communist Manifesto being one of his favorite books. Or his laughing at abortions.

I got popcorn. I won't laugh until you are done.

Posted by: sifty at January 09, 2011 06:35 PM (b00Ut)

190 Posted by: Really? at January 09, 2011 06:32 PM (3cFcY)

Here you go, asshole: http://tinyurl.com/236uaok

Posted by: Museisluse at January 09, 2011 06:38 PM (5fjd5)

191 188
If your political messaging traffics in rhetoric heavy on gun imagery
and revolution of the overthrow-y sort, then when someone shoots a
congressperson who you opposed, then guess what

Since her most recent controversial vote was casting a vote against Nancy Pelosi and the most recent post with violent imagery vis a vis Giffords was at the Daily Kos, I assume you mean the Democrats. Right?

Posted by: Y-not at January 09, 2011 06:38 PM (pW2o8)

192 Looks like the sheriff got your panties in a twist, big boy. He struck a raw nerve and you can't shut up about it.

Enjoy your popcorn!

Posted by: Really? at January 09, 2011 06:38 PM (3cFcY)

193 Judge Sarah T. Hughes, who swore LBJ as President,blamed the JFK assassination on the "climate of hate" in her hometown of Dallas, rather than, you know, his Communist assassin. Sound familiar?

Posted by: Peter at January 09, 2011 06:38 PM (13jcJ)

194

Fifty million cable subscriptions getting cancelled in 24 hours would do a better job.

Posted by: eman at January 09, 2011 06:05 PM (0aJSF)

I have heard if you BLOCK a channel... it does ALOT of good to get it off the air. They dont get paid by the cable outlet? Something like that.,,and advertisers see its a commonly blocked channel.
So.. MSNBC and CNN being blocked (like blocking porn channels) would work.

Posted by: Timbo at January 09, 2011 06:38 PM (ph9vn)

195 Federal Judge and US Congressman, why aren't the Feds point on this?

Posted by: Brass at January 09, 2011 06:38 PM (v/Ofr)

196
If you're talking about the Sheriff, the thing that gets my goat is we have a live perp and this moron is jeopardizing the prosecution.
Posted by: Y-not at January 09, 2011 06:34 PM (pW2o

Absolutely! He is putting his own ass before the success of his investigation and the safety of the community and maligning innocent people in the process.

He's a lousy piece of sh*t.

Posted by: Nighthawk at January 09, 2011 06:38 PM (Ka/Mg)

197 In addition to being born on 9/11, the little girl was also the granddaughter of former Phillies manager Dallas Green.

Posted by: How bizarre at January 09, 2011 06:39 PM (4o/Qp)

198 this moron is jeopardizing the prosecution.


Posted by: Y-not at January 09, 2011 06:34 PM (pW2o
I was wondering about that.

Posted by: CDR M at January 09, 2011 06:39 PM (5I8G0)

199 If your political messaging traffics in rhetoric heavy on gun imagery and revolution of the overthrow-y sort,

Sorry, I don't accept your premise. Wanna try again?

Posted by: Tami at January 09, 2011 06:39 PM (VuLos)

200 We are not uncomfortable in the spotlight because the facts say the crazy little fucker was a commie pothead jerkoff, in other words: an Obama voter.


We are uncomfortable in a Soviet show trial, which is what the media is ginning up.

Posted by: sifty at January 09, 2011 06:39 PM (b00Ut)

201 LOL @ you all.

Keep scrambling, boys.

Dance for me.

Posted by: Really? at January 09, 2011 06:39 PM (3cFcY)

202 It is time to chill free speech. The right wing vitriol in America must be stopped. It doens't matter that the killer was a fellow leftist.

Posted by: Sheriff Dipshit at January 09, 2011 06:39 PM (0fzsA)

203 "When will Sarah Palin be cleared as a suspect"

Never. Hell, you should see what some of my douchbag Facebook "friends" are saying about her. Today alone I've seen her called a monster and a twat. One idiot, remarking on the crosshairs map being taken down, said "Too little, too late you fucking monster. Indefensible." followed by a chorus of loons affirming the sentiment.

It's crazy.

Posted by: Kensington at January 09, 2011 06:39 PM (mEyVv)

204 If your political messaging traffics in rhetoric heavy on gun imagery and revolution of the overthrow-y sort, then when someone shoots a congressperson who you opposed, then guess what: You get to spend some uncomfortable moments in the spotlight being asked if it’s not reasonable to suspect a connection between your rhetoric and the actions of a shooter targeting someone you’ve opposed.
Posted by: Really? at January 09, 2011 06:34 PM (3cFcY)
Provide a link to revolution rhetoric from the people you are blaming like Palin, Limbaugh, etc. Then compare the gun rhetoric on the left with the gun rhetoric on the right. Then think about what you people said about Bush for 8 years. Then look at history and see that all the anarchy and all the murders are from the left. It's not reasonable to blame constitution loving people who by the way like the rule of law to leftist asshats bent on collapsing the system a la Cloward and Piven. Obama is the one with radical fringe pals.

Posted by: dagny at January 09, 2011 06:39 PM (+Z6ve)

205 Why the insistence that he's liberal? Because some kid said so on twitter?
Um, no, it's because inone of his rants he said he upset that she voted against Pelousi for Minority Leader last week.
Or didn't your buddySoros send you that email? Now, go back to Thunk Progress.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy at January 09, 2011 06:40 PM (b6qrg)

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Funny how the MFM makes no mention of
the speech wherein Obama called one group of American Citizens the enemies of
another group of people that call America home.Just Words...



Posted by: Just Words & Punish Your Enemies at January 09, 2011 06:40 PM (Epj2t)

207 Too easy. Like taking candy from a baby.

Posted by: Really? at January 09, 2011 06:40 PM (3cFcY)

208 203 Fuck off baby killer

Posted by: dagny at January 09, 2011 06:40 PM (+Z6ve)

209 Posted by: Really? at January 09, 2011 06:32 PM (3cFcY)

Yeah, really, you fuckwit. If you weren't such a fucking ignorant shithead, you'd realize that, as he himself admitted, you feckless cockholster, the incompetent Sheriff was baselessly speculating about a motive which aligned with the Sheriff's personal beliefs.

Now go fuck yourself with some facts, you self-righteous reality-averse dipstick.

Posted by: Waterhouse at January 09, 2011 06:41 PM (yMONZ)

210 This was obviously a hate crime. Only a goddamn fag would go around shooting hot women...

Posted by: just sayin' what you're thinking at January 09, 2011 06:41 PM (GkYyh)

211 The sheriff is right. There is "one party blocking another party from bettering this country." Too bad he's wrong about which one it is.

If we could either A., make it illegal for Democrats to vote or hold office for eight or twelve years, an awful lot of damage could be undone in restoring a constitutional republic. It won't happen.

So meanwhile the loonies will come out of the woodwork and civilization will shuffle to its end.

Posted by: SGT Dan at January 09, 2011 06:41 PM (HBTr7)

212 Democrat imagery traffics in imagery heavy in the flag-burny, nail-bomby at the Pentagony, Che chic-y, commie variety. So get fucked.

Posted by: sifty at January 09, 2011 06:41 PM (b00Ut)

213 Keep talking kids, I want to hear what you right-wing hermits will come up with next.

Can't you find a way to blame this on George Soros?

Posted by: Really? at January 09, 2011 06:41 PM (3cFcY)

214
LOL @ you all.



Keep scrambling, boys.



Dance for me.

Posted by: Really? at January 09, 2011 06:39 PM (3cFcY)
What excellent debating skills!

Posted by: Tami at January 09, 2011 06:41 PM (VuLos)

215 Brass - they are on the Federal crimes, the shooting of Giffords and the judge.

The girl and the rest are not Federal officials acting in their designated capacities, so those are state crimes.


Posted by: JEM at January 09, 2011 06:42 PM (o+SC1)

216 If your political messaging traffics in rhetoric heavy on gun imagery and revolution of the overthrow-y sort
Posted by: Really? at January 09, 2011 06:34 PM (3cFcY)
It's usually the Communists who use gun imagery in their May Day Parades and shouts of Revolucion!
Numbnuts.

Posted by: ErikW at January 09, 2011 06:42 PM (a3VJ9)

217 Is it so hard to imagine that a man who attempted to assassinate a Democrat might have been opposed to Democrats? Hey, shit-for-brains, what's hard to imagine is that a Republican would be fond of The Communist Manifesto and Mein Kampf.
But keep on keeping on, asshole.

Posted by: laceyunderalls at January 09, 2011 06:42 PM (R4oyn)

218 201
If your political messaging traffics in rhetoric heavy on gun imagery and revolution of the overthrow-y sort,

Must be talking about the gun imagery of Sen. Joseph Manchin (D-WV).

Posted by: Reiver at January 09, 2011 06:42 PM (RFTUX)

219 Posted by: Really? at January 09, 2011 06:41 PM (3cFcY)

Haha. Translation: oh shit, I've just been outed as a fucking ignorant dickhead.

Posted by: Waterhouse at January 09, 2011 06:43 PM (yMONZ)

220 OK, this troll-stoner isn't coherent enough to spend time on. Back to football.

Posted by: Y-not at January 09, 2011 06:43 PM (pW2o8)

221 Keep in mind, Dupnik isn't just some guy or some local official...he's the lead investigator in this case.

Isn't this grounds for his removal from the investigation?

Also, Kos called for Giffords to be eliminated, what, two days ago? I guess the man gets results...

Posted by: 18-1 at January 09, 2011 06:43 PM (bgcml)

222 Taking a tragedy and using it against your domestic enemies?

Well done, Democrats. Herr Goebbels and I are proud of you

Posted by: Adolf Schicklgruber at January 09, 2011 06:43 PM (vdfwz)

223 Can't you find a way to blame this on George Soros?
With this lefty moon-bat's obsession with 'currency' that would not be a leap at all.

Posted by: garrett at January 09, 2011 06:43 PM (n7UUV)

224 Blah blah fucking blah

Posted by: Dope with a fairy pseudo-intellectual question mark after his name? at January 09, 2011 06:43 PM (5I0Yr)

225 I dropped everything but basic cable. Blood suckers. Ino longer pay to seeOlberdouche, PMSnbc - CNN cancer, Spiter rehabilitation TV,orMiss leathery piss flaps with a British accent.
I don't miss it.
I don't get Fox either, but the trade off is worth it.

Posted by: Lemon Kitten at January 09, 2011 06:43 PM (0fzsA)

226 Has anyone asked Bill Ayers yet as to his take?

I know he preferred bombs to guns, but he is America's best known terrorist.

Posted by: 18-1 at January 09, 2011 06:44 PM (bgcml)

227 Anybody check Laughen's voting registration?

Posted by: USS Diversity at January 09, 2011 06:45 PM (DLxD/)

228 Hey, Really?, are you going to blame Obama for upping the rhetoric by
talking about how his supporters need to bring a gun to a knife fight? Change!

Posted by: Waterhouse at January 09, 2011 06:45 PM (yMONZ)

229 Obama said in reference to the general election rumble with the Republicans: “If they bring a knife to the fight, we bring a gun.”

Posted by: Mama AJ at January 09, 2011 06:45 PM (XdlcF)

230 Really? Look to your left, look to your right.

If there is anyone there, they are probably assholes too.

Posted by: sifty at January 09, 2011 06:45 PM (b00Ut)

231 Who hates the Jews? Oh, that's right the left.

Posted by: dagny at January 09, 2011 06:45 PM (+Z6ve)

232 Odds that 'Really ?' could be 'Boy Blue' from Kos or part of that vile '21st Centruty Democrats' organization?

Posted by: laceyunderalls at January 09, 2011 06:45 PM (R4oyn)

233 This boy was a Patriot!

Posted by: Bernadine Dohrn at January 09, 2011 06:45 PM (n7UUV)

234
Is it so hard to imagine that a man who attempted to assassinate a Democrat might have been opposed to Democrats?

Hey, shit-for-brains, what's hard to imagine is that a Republican would be fond of The Communist Manifesto and Mein Kampf.

But keep on keeping on, asshole.

Posted by: laceyunderalls at January 09, 2011 06:42 PM

To the hack trolls and far lefties, everyone is either with them (D) or against them (R). There are no independents or apoliticals in their universe

Posted by: Adolf Schicklgruber at January 09, 2011 06:45 PM (vdfwz)

235 suspect a connection between your rhetoric and the actions of a shooter targeting someone you’ve opposed.

Posted by: Really? at January 09, 2011 06:34 PM (3cFcY)
Asshole -- the shooter listened to Marx and Hitler, not Palin or Limbaughand one of YOUR type said, "She's Dead to Me" only a few days ago

Posted by: SantaRosaStan at January 09, 2011 06:46 PM (UqKQV)

236 How do you guys thing Palin will respond? I hope she rips in to sheriff dick hole and the Congressman who looks like his parents are a deflated basketball and a tarantula.

Posted by: Flapjackmaka at January 09, 2011 06:46 PM (c5RQr)

237 Too easy. Like taking candy from a baby.

Posted by: Really? at January 09, 2011 06:40 PM (3cFcY)
Fuck off. The guy liked the Communist Manifesto and Mein Kampf, both left wing tracts. Liked a flag-burning video, Tea Partiers don't like flag burning.He also attended an event for Giffords in 2007 and a friend at the time remarked that he was quiet the radical at the time. He was furthermore invited to this event which could only happen if he was on a democrat or campaign mailing list.Any argument for his right-wingness is nothing more than appeal to emotion. Your side has nothing. You always blame our side for every accident, all of which turn out to be leftists or Muslims.

Posted by: Holger at January 09, 2011 06:46 PM (YxGud)

238 Gramps needs some meds; pronto. Oh yeah, and to be fired for incitement if nothing else.

Posted by: Grayson at January 09, 2011 06:46 PM (59aSM)

239
Question: If a retarded bum on the street started to talk politics with you, would you stand there and argue with him?


Posted by: Leftover Soothsayers at January 09, 2011 06:46 PM (NwOSU)

240 Really?

Really.

Not really, just a troll.

Interesting comment on WaPo story, saying the guy's facebook/videos were more in line with someone named David Wynn Miller, who sounds like a fruitcake extroardinaire, with rules of language and grammar that resonate a bit.
Wiki has Miller used as defense in some court cases, for a belief that only nouns "have legal authority".

This guy may be FAR crazier than any party, even Progressive.

Posted by: barbarausa at January 09, 2011 06:47 PM (gRgC6)

241 "Get in their faces" - B. H. Obama

Posted by: laceyunderalls at January 09, 2011 06:47 PM (R4oyn)

242 Question: If a retarded bum on the street started to talk politics with you, would you stand there and argue with him?
Is my freezer low on HObo Meat?

Posted by: Moron at January 09, 2011 06:48 PM (n7UUV)

243 This will be the topic of endless GOP debate questions. You're up first CNN.

Posted by: Cherry π at January 09, 2011 06:48 PM (+sBB4)

244 I think one just did. And unfortunately we are. Good call.

Posted by: sifty at January 09, 2011 06:48 PM (b00Ut)

245 Sheriff Dupnik is essentially blaming democracy for this problem. If those durn Republicans weren't up to their nasty tricks and if they'd just let the Democrats rule as they should, none of this would have happened.

Keep in mind, people, this man has a SWAT team at his disposal.

Sleep well, Tucson morons.

Posted by: ExurbanKevin at January 09, 2011 06:48 PM (toqoX)

246 'Hit back twice as hard' - - B.H. Obama

Posted by: laceyunderalls at January 09, 2011 06:48 PM (R4oyn)

247 I hate this, and I saw it coming. I was the first commenter to say that a Shit Storm would begin, even before the shooter was ID'd.

The left is already doing a combo of Okla City and Katrina

Posted by: SantaRosaStan at January 09, 2011 06:48 PM (UqKQV)

248 He's got a million of 'em....

Obama: “They Bring a Knife…We Bring a Gun”
Obama to His Followers: “Get
in Their Faces!”
Obama on ACORN Mobs: “I don’t want to quell anger. I think
people are right to be angry! I’m angry!”
Obama to His Mercenary Army: “Hit
Back Twice As Hard”
Obama on the private sector: “We talk to these folks… so
I know whose ass to kick.“
Obama to voters: Republican victory would mean
“hand to hand combat”
Obama to lib supporters: “It’s time to Fight for
it.”
Obama to Latino supporters: “Punish your enemies.”
Obama to
democrats: “I’m itching for a fight.”

Posted by: Tami at January 09, 2011 06:49 PM (VuLos)

249 Posted by: laceyunderalls at January 09, 2011 06:47 PM (R4oyn)

"Punish your enemies."

Posted by: Holger at January 09, 2011 06:49 PM (YxGud)

250 This guy may be FAR crazier than any party, even Progressive.
Unprecedented

Posted by: dagny at January 09, 2011 06:49 PM (+Z6ve)

251 Hmm, Megyn Kelly asks for details from the lead investigatorand gets lefty talking points instead.
How very interesting. I wonder why that is?

Posted by: BackwardsBoy at January 09, 2011 06:49 PM (b6qrg)

252 'I don't want to quell their anger. I think people are right to be angry. I'm angry!' - - B.H. Obama

Posted by: laceyunderalls at January 09, 2011 06:50 PM (R4oyn)

253 "On You Tube, Loughner's profile listed Karl Marx and Friedrich Engels's "The Communist Manifesto" and Adolf Hitler's "Mein Kampf" among his favorite books. "
Here's the link to the article

Posted by: Lemon Kitten at January 09, 2011 06:50 PM (0fzsA)

254 Sheriff Dipshit indicated that congresswoman Giffords was 'definitely the target.' Personally, I'm not so sure--and why should I trust anythingDipshit says, especially now?
http://tinyurl.com/29qkwrb
link to WSJ.
RIP Judge John Roll

Posted by: Stillwater at January 09, 2011 06:50 PM (0GpN4)

255 oh- he's annoying!

Posted by: smb at January 09, 2011 06:50 PM (mFp4E)

256 242 Question: If a retarded bum on the street started to talk politics with you, would you stand there and argue with him?

No but I might nod politely and say, "Yes Sir, Mr. Vice President."

Posted by: Reiver at January 09, 2011 06:50 PM (RFTUX)

257 We will not think.
We will not use logic.
We will not see.
We will write what we are told to write.

Posted by: trolls at January 09, 2011 06:50 PM (b00Ut)

258 Hey sheriff, if ya'll need help finding any other shooters, I can help with my expertise in publicly making wild ass assumptions that the media parrots, thereby steering the public in the wrong direction and letting two idiot losers run free to kill

Don't thank me, buy my biography

Posted by: Chief Moose at January 09, 2011 06:50 PM (vdfwz)

259 I am appalled that this sheriff is spounting DNC talking points when he should be leading a criminal investigation. The shooter is clearly a lunatic and the sheriff sounds like one too. I am disgusted. I believe in smaller government, lower taxes and a strong national defense and no 2 bit tin horn with a badge from Tucson will silence me. The shooter was a leftie and no spin from NBC will change that.

Posted by: JudyM at January 09, 2011 06:51 PM (nn+iV)

260 252 Tami. Wow - Obama is even more violent that the left's most violent extremistenemy- oneSarah Palin.

Posted by: Lemon Kitten at January 09, 2011 06:51 PM (0fzsA)

261 Posted by: BackwardsBoy at January 09, 2011 06:49 PM (b6qrg)

Because they got this canned. The spin, the talking points, the graphics. They were just waiting for something like this to happen. Who was it who said Obama needed an Oklahoma City Bombing to reconnect to the American People?

Posted by: Holger at January 09, 2011 06:52 PM (YxGud)

262 The assassination attempt left Americans questining whether divisive politics had pushed the suspect over the edge. Giffords
faced frequent backlash from the right over her support of the health
care re form last year, and had her office vandalized the day the House
approved the landmark measu re.

Posted by: The Associated Fucking Press at January 09, 2011 06:52 PM (5I0Yr)

263 "Punish your enemies."
Only enemies. Not children. Babies are yucky and stuff (esp if they're born alive after botched abortions-- throw 'em in the trash-- paraphrasing (and taking broad liberties!) B.H. Obama

Posted by: laceyunderalls at January 09, 2011 06:53 PM (R4oyn)

264 248
Sheriff Dupnik is essentially blaming democracy for this problem. If
those durn Republicans weren't up to their nasty tricks and if they'd
just let the Democrats rule as they should, none of this would have
happened.





Keep in mind, people, this man has a SWAT team at his disposal.







Posted by: ExurbanKevin at January 09, 2011 06:48 PM

Since the drug lords are basically bitch slapping this old idiot, I don't think they get much use other than surrounding trailer parks every time a domestic violence call comes in

Posted by: kbdabear at January 09, 2011 06:54 PM (vdfwz)

265 "Really" has got to be a sock. Nobody is that stupid. I recommend not arguing with him. Personally I can't understand why anyone would want to pretend to be dumber than a bag of hammers anyway.

Posted by: Vic at January 09, 2011 06:56 PM (M9Ie6)

266
I poo poo pee pee!

Posted by: really? at January 09, 2011 06:56 PM (EkLCq)

267 I hope we eventually get the security plan that Sheriff Dipstik had in mind for this rally.
He knew he had a potential assassin wandering around Tucson and he did nothing.


Posted by: sifty at January 09, 2011 06:57 PM (b00Ut)

268 Keep in mind, Dupnik isn't just some guy or some local official...he's the lead investigator in this case.

I'm goin' to nip this in the bud right now!

Posted by: Sheriff Barney Dupnik at January 09, 2011 06:57 PM (vdfwz)

269 Posted by: Y-not at January 09, 2011 06:38 PM (pW2o

oooooh. Masterful.

Posted by: Derak at January 09, 2011 06:57 PM (CjpKH)

270 Obama: “They Bring a Knife…We Bring a Gun”Obama to His Followers: “Get in Their Faces!”Obama on ACORN Mobs: “I don’t want to quell anger. I think people are right to be angry! I’m angry!”Obama to His Mercenary Army: “Hit Back Twice As Hard”Obama on the private sector: “We talk to these folks… so I know whose ass to kick.“Obama to voters: Republican victory would mean “hand to hand combat”Obama to lib supporters: “It’s time to Fight for it.”Obama to Latino supporters: “Punish your enemies.”Obama to democrats: “I’m itching for a fight.”
I'd like to see a Palin Facebook entry with just the list of these quotes.

Posted by: Mama AJ at January 09, 2011 06:57 PM (XdlcF)

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Didn’t our American President recently call one group of
American citizens the enemies of another group of people that live in America? "Just
words", right? This murderer was obviously off the rails and in need of
professional help. It is scary knowing what a disturbed person is capable of.
It is either ignorant and grossly irresponsible or intentional for an American
President to use incendiary words like "enemies" in a planned public
speech. Just Words? He made his Just Words speech quite some time before he supposedly "slipped up"
and called a large group of American Citizens the enemies of another large
group of people that call America home. Go ahead, give Obama a pass because he is a Lightbearer, but rip Palin et al because they are unholy Sith Lords of Just Words Propaganda.






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It would be okay if "punish your enemies" were
"Just Words" spoken by an ignorant drunken boob trolling for votes in
a bar. Our President chose those words in a prepared speech that MS-13 and other vicious, heavily armed gangs with unstable minds certainly heard. How can they spin this shit and sleep at night?


Posted by: Just Words: Punish Your Enemies by Barack Obama at January 09, 2011 06:57 PM (Epj2t)

272 Apparently Bob Schiffer is on the trail too: Incendiary comments forced this guy over the edge. I don't know whether it's the left's incendiary comments or those NOT made by the right but just pretended by the left that the right made. Like when they say Rush and Sean spew hate---like what? It doesn't exist and is merely a figment of their imagination which means they're nuts.

Posted by: dagny at January 09, 2011 06:57 PM (+Z6ve)

273
POO POO PEE PEE I SAID!
!!!!!

Posted by: really? at January 09, 2011 06:57 PM (EkLCq)

274 Who was it who said Obama needed an Oklahoma City Bombing to reconnect to the American People?
Good point that I had forgotten.
This increasinglylooks like a set-up. Not a planned one, mind you, but having the script ready to go at amoments' notice.I seem to remember some high-ranking member of this administration saying words to the effect of not letting a crisis go to waste...
This sherriff needs to be replaced. And I hope they remember to take his bullet out of his pocket when they do.
"Nip it!"

Posted by: BackwardsBoy at January 09, 2011 06:58 PM (b6qrg)

275 Who was it who said Obama needed an Oklahoma City Bombing to reconnect to the American People?
The System Works!

Posted by: Mark Penn at January 09, 2011 06:58 PM (n7UUV)

276 Who among us haven't heard conscience-dream voices telling us to kill in the name of a better world filled with literate currencies and compliant chickens? I know I have. Now, I'm no psychiatrist, but it's clear to me that this is all a result of hate-filled Republican rhetoric and bigotry...

Posted by: Pima County Sheriff Clarence Dupnik at January 09, 2011 06:58 PM (k4bdL)

277
ABC News is also going with the "she was threatened over her support for health care" angle.


It's interesting how this fulfills Michael Bloomberg's irresponsible assumption from several months ago when we had a muslim-terrorist attack.





Posted by: Leftover Soothsayers at January 09, 2011 06:58 PM (NwOSU)

278 Can anyone make out from the screen shot what this guy is talking about. Warning: link goes to Abovetopsecret. You have to scroll almost halfway down the page. Look for a post by 'Jayhawker' and clink on the link in his post....I can't make it out from the screen shot but he seems to be saying that Giffords youtube page subscribed to Classitup10 sometime in the past month. Again, it's hard to see....

http://tinyurl.com/25uowjf

Posted by: Tami at January 09, 2011 06:58 PM (VuLos)

279 Have you ever seen what I think of as two cop-cars, "mating"?

I know for a fact the at least 2-6 Sheriff's cars can be found "mating" at a trail head at the end of 1st Avenue in Tucson at 1 AM.

I shouldn't be there after hours but neither should they.

So, what happens if I make it a point to drive up there and legally park on the side of the road and pass out cards that say "Your Boss is a Tool!"

I think that it would technically be trespassing if I were to set foot on that parking lot after dusk.

But same applies to the Sheriffs' cars, no?


Posted by: Deety at January 09, 2011 06:59 PM (Jb3+B)

280 228 Has anyone asked Bill Ayers yet as to his take?

I know he preferred bombs to guns, but he is America's best known terrorist.
Posted by: 18-1 at January 09, 2011 06:44 PM (bgcml)

LOL! Seriously though, I wish somebody would sick that little geek with the glasses that (The Tedious Blowhard) O'Rielly uses on Ayers and have him do just that- interview him for his professional opinion as a noted terrorist.

Posted by: Nighthawk at January 09, 2011 06:59 PM (Ka/Mg)

281
In other words, what we're seeing now was inevitable.

Their minds were all made up; they were all in agreement. The stories and headlines were already written.

The whole point is to plant kernels of disinformation into people's heads.

Posted by: Leftover Soothsayers at January 09, 2011 07:00 PM (NwOSU)

282 Posted by: Leftover Soothsayers at January 09, 2011 06:58 PM (NwOSU)

But didn't she vote for Repeal and voted against Nancy Pelosi? Reasons for any far lefty to attempt to off her.

Posted by: Holger at January 09, 2011 07:00 PM (YxGud)

283 COLLEGE STUDENT VICTIMIZED BY PALIN-BACKED DREAM-CONTROL MACHINES IN
CURRENCY-RIGGING SCHEME, DRIVEN TO WOUND CONGRESSWOMAN, MURDER JUDGE, CHILD,
OTHERS WITH HIGH-POWERED FULLY-SEMI-AUTOMATIC CARBON DIOXIDE DEATH-RAY PISTOL
BOUGHT AT UNREGULATED GUN SHOW. LINK TO TEA PARTIES, JESUS, NAZIS, TALK RADIO, OIL COMPANIES,
FOX NEWS, GEORGE BUSH, INCIVILITY SUGGESTED BY ANONYMOUS SOURCES

Posted by: AP Random Headline Generator Mk. VI at January 09, 2011 07:01 PM (k4bdL)

284 The assassination attempt left Americans questining whether divisive politics had pushed the suspect over the edge.
Giffords faced frequent backlash from the right over her support of the health care re form last year, and had her office vandalized the day the House approved the landmark measu re.
Posted by: The Associated Fucking Press at January 09, 2011 06:52 PM (5I0Yr)
One thing is for sure, this event has allowed self important "journalists" to go masturbatory and write the story of their lives that will allow them to break through into the mainstream.
Unfortunately that won't happen because journalists are a dime a dozen and they're ALL writing Pulitzer Prize stories.
Desperate journos most effected.

Posted by: ErikW at January 09, 2011 07:01 PM (a3VJ9)

285 I am appalled that this sheriff is spounting DNC talking points when he should be leading a criminal investigation.

The FBI is leading the investigation, which means they are using the Tuscon detective staff. Recall the news conference yesterday when Sheriff Joker got asked a question and he had to ask them.

Pvt Joker turned Sheriff couldn't lead a group of drunken sailors to a whorehouse.

Posted by: Vic at January 09, 2011 07:02 PM (M9Ie6)

286 216

LOL @ you all.



Keep scrambling, boys.



Dance for me.

Posted by: Really? at January 09, 2011 06:39 PM (3cFcY)
What excellent masturdebating skills!


Posted by: Tami at January 09, 2011 06:41 PM

FIFY

Posted by: The Fixer at January 09, 2011 07:02 PM (vdfwz)

287 Oh, great quotes here. And click on his "more here and here" links. The second one, you'll have to scroll quite a ways to get past the info about the shooter, but it's worth it.

Posted by: Mama AJ at January 09, 2011 07:02 PM (XdlcF)

288
Her vote for Repeal of DADT?

I dunno.

Posted by: Leftover Soothsayers at January 09, 2011 07:03 PM (NwOSU)

289 This SOB isn't working on a investigation -- he's working on a political campaign.

Posted by: prettypinkfluffypanties at January 09, 2011 07:04 PM (cQfrc)

290 This guy had parents. Where are they? Not one media asswipe has found them, yet? He didn't have any neighbors? Why haven't we heard anything from any of those people? Why is the media having to go back to people he went to school with? Something ain't right, folks.

Posted by: Steph at January 09, 2011 07:04 PM (KqBTY)

291 Hate speech anyone? - the Zombietime Hall of Shame. Warning: some images are NSFW and may cause nightmares about naked, unwashed hippies.

http://tinyurl.com/7eo27

Posted by: Reiver at January 09, 2011 07:04 PM (RFTUX)

292 Is "really?" another of erg's socks? ergie has been throwing his poo profusely in each thread about this

Posted by: kbdabear at January 09, 2011 07:05 PM (vdfwz)

293 The troll didn't hang long. Usually the incoherent ones are the hardest to get rid of.

Looking at you ray.

Connnnnnns!

Posted by: toby928™ at January 09, 2011 07:05 PM (S5YRY)

294 ABC News is also going with the "she was threatened over her support for health care" angle.So ABC News is ignoring that fact that a major left wing blog - KOS - posted that "Giffords is dead to me". And the reason she's "dead" is thatGiffords isnot leftwing enough for the leftwingers at KOS.
And while 60%+ of the nation oppose ObamaCare, the way it was passed, the length (2000+ pages), the fact thatObamaCare has onlyfurtherwiped outprivate industry job prospects - to ABCthis is all about carrying waterfor thedemocrats.

The way we defeat people who voted against their constituents intersts is by defeating them at the ballot box. WE did that in November ABC - no murder - no mayhem.

Posted by: Lemon Kitten at January 09, 2011 07:05 PM (0fzsA)

295 what?
we are, and have always been, at war with East Asia Eurasia.
Obama to democrats: “I’m itching for a fight.”
me too, son, me too.

Posted by: citizen slave at January 09, 2011 07:06 PM (2Ahat)

296 There should be a boycott on all things FOX until Geraldo, Williams, and Shep are fired.

Posted by: Barbarian at January 09, 2011 07:06 PM (EL+OC)

297 This sorry sack continues to get re-elected in my county for reasons I don't understand. He also was front and center with his fat mouth saying he would not enforce SB1070 before the courts stopped it anyway.

He also took it upon himself to address his home state as being 'a mecca of bigotry and hate' on a previous press conference after the shooting. This after it was becoming clear that the perpetrator was a lunatic without political ties. But let's not let the facts get in the way of our pre-determined knowledge.

Dupnik is an overweight liberal democrat hack and I wait for the day when the voters in the county wake up to it. He's had several more qualified opponents run against him in past elections. I don't understand why people continue to elect the fucker.

Posted by: Henry in Tucson at January 09, 2011 07:06 PM (3y/0c)

298 He didn't have any neighbors? Why haven't we heard anything from any of those people?

Fox did have a couple of his neighbors on. I suspect that people don't want to talk about it to the news. Knowing how they screw with the edits I wouldn't either.

Posted by: Vic at January 09, 2011 07:07 PM (M9Ie6)

299 When the brain ages and deteriorates, the last thing to go is the ego. Every single time.

Posted by: Wm T Sherman at January 09, 2011 07:07 PM (5YgO+)

300 This guy had parents. Where are they? Not one media asswipe has found them, yet?

The mother is on the county Board of Supervisors. Still haven't seen anything about a father.

Posted by: HeatherRadish at January 09, 2011 07:08 PM (4ucxv)

301
maybe the media is afraid his parents will be like John Walker Lindh's parents .

Lindh's father is a radical leftwing San Fran homosexual who hates George Bush, if you recall.

And his mother is a loon, too.

Posted by: Leftover Soothsayers at January 09, 2011 07:09 PM (NwOSU)

302 Ah, neighbor on Fox, now.

Posted by: Steph at January 09, 2011 07:10 PM (KqBTY)

303 Hate speech anyone? - the Zombietime Hall of Shame
Thanks for that.
*puts bra back on*

Posted by: laceyunderalls at January 09, 2011 07:11 PM (R4oyn)

304 301
This sorry sack continues to get re-elected in my county for reasons I
don't understand. He also was front and center with his fat mouth
saying he would not enforce SB1070 before the courts stopped it anyway.



Posted by: Henry in Tucson at January 09, 2011 07:06 PM

Check the percentage of refugees from Mexico, California, Michigan, and New York in your county and that question answers itself

Posted by: kbdabear at January 09, 2011 07:11 PM (vdfwz)

305

Neighbor: He was a quiet guy. Mostly kept to himself.

Reporter: Do you think he did it.

Neighbor: Oh yeah, killing Gifford was all he ever talked about.

Posted by: the neighbors at January 09, 2011 07:12 PM (S5YRY)

306 There should be a boycott on all things FOX until Geraldo, Williams, and Shep are fired.
Posted by: Barbarian at January 09, 2011 07:06 PM (EL+OC)
That's where the dollars come from!
Controversy = cash money!

Posted by: ErikW at January 09, 2011 07:12 PM (a3VJ9)

307 Is Tuscon that infested with liberals?

Well, it is a college town and we are popular with the AARP set.

So, yeah.

Tucson is completely infested with fucking douchebag Democrat voters.

The 18-25 yr old temps don't give a shit because they don't know any better.

The 50 -70 year olds that moved here because the climate in New Jersey, Pennsylvania and Illinois just wreaked havoc on their arthritis are just waiting for me to become a HHC nurse and change their fucking diapers for $4.00 p/h cash under the table.

Fuck You!

Ain't gonna happen!

Posted by: Deety at January 09, 2011 07:12 PM (Jb3+B)

308 Fox (web) is now saying that they have file federal charges 2 counts of murder, 2 counts of attempted murder, and attempted murder of a congress member.

Silly me, I didn't know that last was a separate crime. I guess I should have. I suspect that by the time they get around to formal indictment that even more charges will be forthcoming.

This should put to bed any thought of that idiotic thing Fox said about no federal warrants because the judges were recusing themselves.

Posted by: Vic at January 09, 2011 07:13 PM (M9Ie6)

309 I am just waiting for a TV camera crew to zoom in on the bumper of this guy's car or his parent's cars and find a Obama '08 bumper-sticker.

Posted by: Holger at January 09, 2011 07:13 PM (YxGud)

310
We're all wondering why the media isn't investigating this story more in depth.

But they did. They checked for any connections to Glenn Beck and Sarah Palin.

Then they checked to see if he belonged to any Christian churches.

So when all those leads came up empty, the investigation was over.

Posted by: Leftover Soothsayers at January 09, 2011 07:14 PM (WmBF6)

311 The Left has nothing left to use but pounding the table.



Posted by: eman at January 09, 2011 07:15 PM (0aJSF)

312 The 50 -70 year olds that moved here because the climate in New Jersey, Pennsylvania and Illinois just wreaked havoc on their arthritis are just waiting for me to become a HHC nurse and change their fucking diapers for $4.00 p/h cash under the table.

No Califugitives? I'd have thought the Phoenix/Tuscon area would be infested with them.

Posted by: Reiver at January 09, 2011 07:16 PM (RFTUX)

313 307
Hate speech anyone? - the Zombietime Hall of Shame
Thanks for that.
*puts bra back on*
Posted by: laceyunderalls at January 09, 2011 07:11 PM (R4oyn)
How does one even go about getting tits that saggy? Is that from no bra wearing since 1967? WTF. I didn't know they could droop that low. And what about the one with saggy tits and a beard?

Posted by: dagny at January 09, 2011 07:16 PM (+Z6ve)

314 313 I am just waiting for a TV camera crew to zoom in on the bumper of this guy's car or his parent's cars and find a Obama '08 bumper-sticker.
Posted by: Holger at January 09, 2011 07:13 PM (YxGud)
Bless your heart.

Posted by: Steph at January 09, 2011 07:16 PM (KqBTY)

315
The media probably also checked to find out if he was a NASCAR fan.


Posted by: Leftover Soothsayers at January 09, 2011 07:16 PM (WmBF6)

316 304 This guy had parents. Where are they? Not one media asswipe has found them, yet?

The mother is on the county Board of Supervisors. Still haven't seen anything about a father.
Posted by: HeatherRadish at January 09, 2011 07:08 PM (4ucxv)

I'm speculating that his parents are divorced and he lives with his mother and her live-in girlfriend.

Can't very well sell that as a "Straight up Tea-Bagging Racist" now can we?

Although it would go a long way towards explaining his actual behavior and his, you know, being crazy.

Posted by: Nighthawk at January 09, 2011 07:16 PM (Ka/Mg)

317 Can anyone make out from the screen shot what this guy is talking about. Warning: link goes to Abovetopsecret. You have to scroll almost halfway down the page. Look for a post by 'Jayhawker' and clink on the link in his post....I can't make it out from the screen shot but he seems to be saying that Giffords youtube page subscribed to Classitup10 sometime in the past month. Again, it's hard to see....
i emailed ace this morning with a screenshot...it's definitely his youtube account i found it last night. here is a bigger pic from my flickr
http://tinyurl.com/3y2qs4v

Posted by: evil libertarian at January 09, 2011 07:16 PM (HfvA9)

318 313 They would have removed it for him.

Posted by: dagny at January 09, 2011 07:17 PM (+Z6ve)

319 Q: And what about the one with saggy tits and a beard?
A: Berkeley

Posted by: laceyunderalls at January 09, 2011 07:17 PM (R4oyn)

320 And what about the one with saggy tits and a beard?

It's San Francisco, Dude.

Posted by: Reiver at January 09, 2011 07:18 PM (RFTUX)

321 Posted by: evil libertarian at January 09, 2011 07:16 PM (HfvA9)

Strange, huh? Wonder if her staff was keeping their eye on him?

Posted by: Tami at January 09, 2011 07:19 PM (VuLos)

322 According to the woman that grabbed the mag from the perp. the Sheriff is an idiot.

Has this cocksucking Sheriff provided any accurate info about this crime yet?

Posted by: Barbarian at January 09, 2011 07:20 PM (EL+OC)

323 Judge Ito is gonna throw this case out.

Posted by: sifty at January 09, 2011 07:21 PM (b00Ut)

324 tami - fox reported eariler today that he was an invited guest? i heard that twice, now nothing. this is just weird.

Posted by: evil libertarian at January 09, 2011 07:22 PM (HfvA9)

325 You'll have to take my ability to print maps on them depicting cross-hairs out of my cold. dead. hands.

Posted by: Markos with the mickey mouse squeaky voice at January 09, 2011 07:22 PM (2hQbY)

326 No.

Posted by: sifty at January 09, 2011 07:23 PM (b00Ut)

327 Sifty - nice one!

Posted by: Count de Monet at January 09, 2011 07:23 PM (XBM1t)

328

One thing is for sure. The stupid fucking left is trying to get a early start on 2012.

A terrible incident like this will bring out every stupid fucking lefty
troll with there stupid fucking lefty talking point for there stupid
fucking political gain.

Posted by: YIKES! at January 09, 2011 07:23 PM (8/QZP)

329 "In most States the Governor or other concerned officials can bring action in the State courts to have him removed."

I know that's the case here in Florida, but I searched the Arizona Constitution for something like that earlier and came up with nothing. Looking at the Arizona Revised Statutes now, county and precinct officers are subject to removal "for
wilful or corrupt misconduct in office" by the county grand jury, which in effect means by the county attorney, the elected prosecutor that other states call the district attorney or state attorney.

The only thing I already know about Pima County Attorney Barbara LaWall is that she was elected by the same collection of geniuses who elected Dupnik, so good luck with that.

Posted by: Dave J. at January 09, 2011 07:24 PM (DCQ0q)

330 Posted by: evil libertarian at January 09, 2011 07:16 PM (HfvA9)Strange, huh? Wonder if her staff was keeping their eye on him?
Posted by: Tami at January 09, 2011 07:19 PM (VuLos)
What am I missing? Isn't that Gifford's You-tube page?

Posted by: Steph at January 09, 2011 07:25 PM (KqBTY)

331 The left is up against the same foes they always are.

Namely the truth and common sense.

Never stopped them before.

Posted by: sifty does not dial back shit at January 09, 2011 07:25 PM (b00Ut)

332 "Hero" woman blaming R's and right winger talk radio on FNC a few minutes ago. Nice.

Posted by: Barbarian at January 09, 2011 07:27 PM (EL+OC)

333 What am I missing? Isn't that Gifford's You-tube page?

Posted by: Steph at January 09, 2011 07:25 PM (KqBTY)
Yes, but look at the bottom left. Her subscriptions. One of the two is Jared Loughton's youtube site. (For whatever reason, the other is Ike Skelton's youtube site.)

Posted by: Tami at January 09, 2011 07:27 PM (VuLos)

334 Loughner's subscription to her page is still there.

Posted by: Miss'80sBaby at January 09, 2011 07:27 PM (RsCf8)

335 Shep Smith was just now interviewing one of the women who helped subdue Loughner. She blamed the shooting directly on the republicans, and Smith, of course, let it ride.

I'm not a conspiracy theorist by any stretch, but this whole thing stinks.

Posted by: cnation at January 09, 2011 07:27 PM (Z93rx)

336 Did we know more about crazy-ass Tim McVeigh or crazy-ass Jeff Dahmer in 36hrs than we know about this crazy-ass?

Posted by: sifty does not dial back shit at January 09, 2011 07:28 PM (b00Ut)

337 This fucking idiot is a genius. I'll bet he misses me, too.

Posted by: Charles Manson at January 09, 2011 07:28 PM (vbh31)

338 He's had several more qualified opponents run
against him in past elections. I don't understand why people continue
to elect the fucker.

Posted by: Henry in Tucson at January 09, 2011 07:06 PM (3y/0c)
Meh.People in Tucson are not really shit-stirrers, as a rule.We mostly want to make $$ with our plumbing, tiling, restaurant or mortgage businesses and raise our kids and watch Glee or Dancing with the Stars to unwind at the end of the day.Tucson isn't so much "Liberal" as it is apathetic.Still, it is way cool to know that there is a fellow Moron in this town!






Posted by: Deety at January 09, 2011 07:28 PM (Jb3+B)

339 Does anyone else find it (darkly) amusing that this gibbering dildo of a "sheriff" can stand up and call Arizona a “mecca for racism and bigotry” -- thereby implying that the holy city of Islam is a by-word for hate and bigotry -- and nobody has so much as raised a peep about him perpetuating hurtful stereotypes about the Religion of Peace? The only thing that'd be more of a (grim) hoot would be if Clarence had fatwa death-threats issued against him, and triggered some deadly riots in Pakistan with his intemperate comments.

Posted by: Chainsaw Chimp at January 09, 2011 07:31 PM (k4bdL)

340
Andy Reid needs to be a good clock manager.

Posted by: Leftover Soothsayers at January 09, 2011 07:31 PM (WmBF6)

341 The MFM won't be happy until someone shoots a Tea Party Grandma over this.

They are peeing their pants in anticipation.

Posted by: sifty does not dial back shit at January 09, 2011 07:31 PM (b00Ut)

342 His cute 16 year old illegal housekeeper Lupitamust really give some great blowjobs.

Posted by: TexasJew at January 09, 2011 07:32 PM (u7MHs)

343 I'm not a conspiracy theorist by any stretch, but this whole thing stinks.


Posted by: cnation at January 09, 2011 07:27 PM (Z93rx)
It sounds like everyone going before camera has read a memo and reciting talking points or some shit.

Posted by: Holger at January 09, 2011 07:32 PM (YxGud)

344 Ace of Spades told me to hoist the black flag and slit throats! I'm a victim of society!

Posted by: Jared Loughner at January 09, 2011 07:33 PM (qxiN4)

345 Because the shooting happened on his watch, Sheriff Clarence Dupnik is just trying to cover his ass.
By the way, aren't Glock 19s a standard police issue sidearm in a lot of places?

Posted by: Speller at January 09, 2011 07:34 PM (J74Py)

346 This incompetent hack Dupnik sounds like he's been coached.

Posted by: Soap MacTavish at January 09, 2011 07:34 PM (vbh31)

347 Yes, but look at the bottom left. Her subscriptions. One of the two is Jared Loughton's youtube site. (For whatever reason, the other is Ike Skelton's youtube site.)
Posted by: Tami at January 09, 2011 07:27 PM (VuLos)
I couldn't make it out. Thanks!

Posted by: Steph at January 09, 2011 07:34 PM (KqBTY)

348 NYT has picture of cars out front of Lourner's place. Can't tell if they have Obama stickers or not.

Looks like an old shitty Impala and a mid-60's early 70's beater pickup.

Nice mesquite tree though.

Posted by: sifty does not dial back shit at January 09, 2011 07:35 PM (b00Ut)

349 Start playing the Left's game. Let's blame the Left. I'm going to tell everyone it's Obama's rhetoric that drove this asshole to do what he did. It's Olberman and Madcow and all the other's lefties' violent rhetoric. Spin it back on the Left. We're not taking this shit anymore. We can play just as mean and hard as they can.

Posted by: Rum, Goddess of Doom at January 09, 2011 07:35 PM (YxBuk)

350 The MFM won't be happy until someone shoots a Tea Party Grandma Sarah Palin over this.

FIFY.

Posted by: HeatherRadish at January 09, 2011 07:35 PM (4ucxv)

351 I noticed the MFM also helpfully (/s) released info about who in Congress had security vs. who didn't, as well as some names of those who had been targeted last year. Considering Congress is doing a review of security, that seems like a foolhardy move.

Posted by: Miss'80sBaby at January 09, 2011 07:36 PM (RsCf8)

352 For some reason I just can't spell the asshole's name right.

Jared Loughner.

Posted by: sifty does not dial back shit at January 09, 2011 07:36 PM (b00Ut)

353 The MFM was also wise enough to say who was carrying concealed, where, and that the would not be carrying in DC.

Fuching ghouls.

Posted by: sifty does not dial back shit at January 09, 2011 07:37 PM (b00Ut)

354 Just out of curiousity, is the privacy policy posted somewhere?

Posted by: hey at January 09, 2011 07:37 PM (loM0R)

355 Nice Reichstag you've got there. Be a shame if anything happened to it.

Posted by: Sheriff Dupnik with a jerry can and a zippo at January 09, 2011 07:38 PM (S2GiP)

356 354
The MFM won't be happy until someone shoots a Tea Party Grandma Sarah Palin over this.

That thought's been on my mind all weekend. Hope the Palins have very good security.

Posted by: Reiver at January 09, 2011 07:38 PM (RFTUX)

357 Arizona Sheriffs are pussies.

Posted by: Sergeant Major Basil Plumley at January 09, 2011 07:39 PM (x3YFz)

358
Just to reiterate, Sheriff Dupnik puts some of the blame of the shooting on "one party blocking another party from bettering this country."

That's a campaign speech - on dead bodies.

Posted by: Lemon Kitten at January 09, 2011 07:40 PM (0fzsA)

359 Sarah Palin is a Tea Party Grandma.

Needed to be said.

Posted by: sifty does not dial back shit at January 09, 2011 07:40 PM (b00Ut)

360
That thought's been on my mind all weekend. Hope the Palins have very good security.


Posted by: Reiver at January 09, 2011 07:38 PM (RFTUX)

My money would be on Todd and Sarah's aim over some hippie in skinny jeans..

Posted by: Timbo at January 09, 2011 07:40 PM (ph9vn)

361 At first I was horrified,and terribly saddened about what has happened. Then, I got mad as hell.Now, I'm befuzzled. Something isn't right.

Posted by: Steph at January 09, 2011 07:41 PM (KqBTY)

362 Jeebus. The dead child's mom was just on with Shep.

That's at least her third interview today. I hope someone sees that the poor woman gets some rest and the family can focus on each other.

God bless them all.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at January 09, 2011 07:41 PM (UOM48)

363 Only a Democrat would use a pile of dead bodies as a podium.

Wellstone Memorial
Sheriff Droopy Dupnik

Posted by: sifty does not dial back shit at January 09, 2011 07:41 PM (b00Ut)

364 Is there any doubt BoehnerCo. will trip on their collective dicks as this plays out?

Posted by: Barbarian at January 09, 2011 07:42 PM (EL+OC)

365 354..+1

Also, apparently Mr Lunatic had a safe and some writings in it detailed his assignation ideas. So, let's ban private safes and stationary, since obviously those items incite violence.

Posted by: The Hammer at January 09, 2011 07:42 PM (32ubA)

366 367
Only a Democrat would use a pile of dead bodies as a podium.

Wellstone Memorial
Sheriff Droopy Dupnik


Posted by: sifty does not dial back shit at January 09, 2011 07:41 PM (b00Ut)
let no crisis go to waste? right? liberal commie shitbags.

Posted by: tangonine at January 09, 2011 07:42 PM (x3YFz)

367 This is all just a good reason to buy lots more guns.

Posted by: TexasJew at January 09, 2011 07:43 PM (u7MHs)

368 Kyl smacked him around?

For God's sake already.

Posted by: Joe at January 09, 2011 07:43 PM (rthv6)

369 Just watched this video. This guy should be fired immediately. He should have absolutely nothing to do with the investigation whatsoever.

Posted by: Phil. at January 09, 2011 07:43 PM (lWiSD)

370 If I get shot at our Tea Party Tax Day event, will you morons please avenge me? Heh. Seriously, though.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at January 09, 2011 07:44 PM (UOM48)

371 I'm deep behind enemy lines here. Our Tax Day Tea Party will probably get hit.

Fuckem. I'm going anyway. But I won't take my kid like usual.

Posted by: sifty does not dial back shit at January 09, 2011 07:45 PM (b00Ut)

372 This guy should be fired immediately. He should have absolutely nothing to do with the investigation whatsoever.

Bah. If I have my way he'll head the FBI by the end of the week.

Posted by: President Toonces at January 09, 2011 07:45 PM (vbh31)

373 Posted by: Jane D'oh at January 09, 2011 07:44 PM (UOM4

Yes. We will. We will do it the Chicago way.

Posted by: Holger at January 09, 2011 07:45 PM (YxGud)

374 374
If I get shot at our Tea Party Tax Day event, will you morons please avenge me? Heh. Seriously, though.


Posted by: Jane D'oh at January 09, 2011 07:44 PM (UOM4
Liberals and insane people are even insane enough to attack a Tea Party rally. It'd be like robbing a doughnut shop full of cops on a Monday morning.

Posted by: tangonine at January 09, 2011 07:46 PM (x3YFz)

375 353 Start playing the Left's game. Let's blame the Left. I'm going to tell everyone it's Obama's rhetoric that drove this asshole to do what he did. It's Olberman and Madcow and all the other's lefties' violent rhetoric. Spin it back on the Left. We're not taking this shit anymore. We can play just as mean and hard as they can.
Posted by: Rum, Goddess of Doom at January 09, 2011 07:35 PM (YxBuk)
Oh come on Rum. You know obviously that this is the result of violent tv violent movies violent cartoons heavy metal rap music right wing militias our violent gun culture Sarah Palin and the Tea Party.

Posted by: buzzion at January 09, 2011 07:46 PM (oVQFe)

376 *aren't

Posted by: tangonine at January 09, 2011 07:46 PM (x3YFz)

377 If my daugher (and I do have have one almost that poor child's age) were murdered and the killer were arrested, the last thing I would do would beto go on a bunch of fucking interviews.
Sorry, but I find that rather strange.

Posted by: TexasJew at January 09, 2011 07:47 PM (u7MHs)

378 The only thing Kyl could smack around would be his poodle's dick.

Posted by: TexasJew at January 09, 2011 07:48 PM (u7MHs)

379 ...please avenge me? Heh. Seriously, though.
Posted by: Jane D'oh at January 09, 2011 07:44 PM (UOM4
If that happened, it would be about more than revenge. No doubt about it.

Posted by: Steph at January 09, 2011 07:48 PM (KqBTY)

380 353
Start playing the Left's game. Let's blame the Left. I'm going to tell
everyone it's Obama's rhetoric that drove this asshole to do what he
did. It's Olberman and Madcow and all the other's lefties' violent
rhetoric. Spin it back on the Left. We're not taking this shit anymore.
We can play just as mean and hard as they can.


Posted by: Rum, Goddess of Doom at January 09, 2011 07:35 PM (YxBuk)
No.He was an insane fuckstain. Don't devolve to their level.

Posted by: tangonine at January 09, 2011 07:48 PM (x3YFz)

381 "What we're dealing with here is a complete lack of respect for the law reality."

Posted by: Sheriff Buford T. Justice at January 09, 2011 07:50 PM (XBM1t)

382 tangonin

It's either devolve to their level or let them get away with this...Which do you prefer?

Posted by: GMan at January 09, 2011 07:52 PM (fW0wg)

383 This is the ideological hill I am willing to die on. No little community college throw-away commie emo dipshit is going to justify taking away what is left of our rights.

I'm not changing anything more to appease the goddamned left.


Posted by: sifty does not dial back shit at January 09, 2011 07:52 PM (b00Ut)

384 I'm starting to wonder if there are any sane people in AZ

Posted by: Barbarian at January 09, 2011 07:52 PM (EL+OC)

385 This crap will never end until we:

1) Disregard ALL Liberal ROE's. Yup. That means stop playing by their rules, stop defining terms as they say to, stop worrying about "playing into their hands", etc, etc...
2) Start saying things out loud. In anger if need be. Hint: THIS is one of those need be moments.

The "conservatives" who have, for decades now, demanded that we play nice, are responsible for this country as it is.

It could start tomorrow if say, Rush, called Olberman the disgusting waste of life that he is. Strong language, meant to convey just how fed up we are with what is going on. Not measured tones, and the like.

Time to start swinging with both hands.

Posted by: Joe at January 09, 2011 07:53 PM (rthv6)

386 Nice Reichstag you've got there. Be a shame if anything happened to it.
ah...this place is a bastion of hope. I will say that.

Posted by: garrett at January 09, 2011 07:53 PM (n7UUV)

387 He was an insane fuckstain. Don't devolve to their level.

Because taking the high road has worked so well, yes? I'm tired of this shit. Every damn time something like this happens it's immediately blamed on the Right. Fuck that. I'm done. Anyone who tells me it's Sarah Palin's fault I'm going to come right back and say it's Obama's fault. He's the one that said to bring a gun to a knife fight. So fuck all the idiots who blame the Right for every damn thing.

Posted by: Rum, Goddess of Doom at January 09, 2011 07:53 PM (YxBuk)

388 386
tangonin

It's either devolve to their level or let them get away with this...Which do you prefer?


Posted by: GMan at January 09, 2011 07:52 PM (fW0wg)
I prefer standing by what makes me what I am. And lying and misrepresenting the truth is not that.

Posted by: tangonine at January 09, 2011 07:54 PM (x3YFz)

389 Irony, thy name is Jane Fuckin' Fonda. I read somewhere this afternoon she is denouncing.....wait for it.....Sarah Palin.

Damn, I wish I could remember the site.


Posted by: Jane D'oh at January 09, 2011 07:54 PM (UOM48)

390 Rum Johnson is Right!


Posted by: sifty does not dial back shit at January 09, 2011 07:54 PM (b00Ut)

391 Posted by: TexasJew at January 09, 2011 07:47 PM (u7MHs)

I was thinking the same thing. And setting their grief aside, didn't the father say something about heated rhetoric being the cause of this? I know people say things when they're emotionally wrenched, but that was a quick conclusion less than 24 hours after his daughter is murdered.

Posted by: Rum, Goddess of Doom at January 09, 2011 07:55 PM (YxBuk)

392 The only good things in Arizona are Ashley Pridgen'sfantastictits and even that is going to get all fucked up.

Posted by: TexasJew at January 09, 2011 07:56 PM (u7MHs)

393 It's either devolve to their level or let them get away with this...Which do you prefer?

When you're sitting in a federal prison for the crime of typing about defeating an incumbent on the internets (with the special hate crimes modifier, 'cause you were talking about a sitting member of Congress), at least you can comfort yourself with the knowledge that you did not devolve. (Sounds like something proggs pat themselves on the back over, doesn't it?..."I'm so much more better than those knuckle-dragging semi-literate cousin-humping gun-fetishing teabaggers because I'm more evolved!")

Posted by: HeatherRadish at January 09, 2011 07:56 PM (4ucxv)

394 I'm with you Rum. Enough of this crap. I will do the same. I am growing very weary of this. It would be nice if our representatives would do the same.

Posted by: jewells45 at January 09, 2011 07:56 PM (Z71Vg)

395 Buford T. Justice: Hey boy, where is Sheriff Dupnik at?
Sheriff Dupnik: I AM Sheriff Clarence Dupnik.
Buford T. Justice: Oh, pardon me. For some reason you sounded a little taller less like a moonbat on the radio TV campaign website.

Posted by: Sheriff Buford T. Justice at January 09, 2011 07:57 PM (XBM1t)

396 363 Sarah Palin is a Tea Party Grandma.

Needed to be said.
Posted by: sifty does not dial back shit at January 09, 2011 07:40 PM (b00Ut)

True that, she's a GMILF.

No wonder the left hates her...

Posted by: Nighthawk at January 09, 2011 07:57 PM (Ka/Mg)

397 Start playing the Left's game. Let's blame the Left. I'm going to tell
everyone it's Obama's rhetoric that drove this asshole to do what he
did.

Who was it who said "If they bring a knife, we'll bring a gun"?

Posted by: arhooley at January 09, 2011 07:57 PM (Dks0L)

398 At one of our tea parties here in Lib-land Savannah, we had people driving by yelling, "F-you" at the top of their lungs, stealing signs, cranking music up as loud as they could to drown out speakers, etc. This going on with military moms and little kids in attendance.

Libtards are a charming, accepting, open-minded lot.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at January 09, 2011 07:58 PM (UOM48)

399 Damn, I wish I could remember the site.
Fonda tweeted it. Age-related memory loss?

Posted by: HeatherRadish at January 09, 2011 07:58 PM (4ucxv)

400 Jared was aiming at everyne.

The Media and Democrats are aiming at us.

Posted by: sifty does not dial back shit at January 09, 2011 07:58 PM (b00Ut)

401 I was thinking the same thing. And setting their
grief aside, didn't the father say something about heated rhetoric being
the cause of this? I know people say things when they're emotionally
wrenched, but that was a quick conclusion less than 24 hours after his
daughter is murdered.

Posted by: Rum, Goddess of Doom at January 09, 2011 07:55 PM (YxBuk)
I don't think the father of the little girl said that. Someone who was at the shooting maybe or Giffords father said some things about the Tea Party but not the little girl's father.

Posted by: Tami at January 09, 2011 07:58 PM (VuLos)

402 205, the facebook map is still up. Why? Because there is nothing wrong with it. These people do not even check things. They just read lies from left wing websites and treat it as gospel.

Posted by: Dan at January 09, 2011 07:59 PM (mXBxH)

403 Where the hell is McCain on this shit? Why isn't he out there loudly denouncing this prick for painting him and his party as demons? Last time I checked he was still a Senator from Arizona.

Did every Republican leave their balls home in a jar today? Or are they just going to take a page from the GWB playbook and let the liberals paint whatever picture they want with no response?

Posted by: Rod Rescueman at January 09, 2011 07:59 PM (QxGmu)

404 Someone who was at the shooting maybe or Giffords father said some things about the Tea Party but not the little girl's father.

Ok, that's fine then. I mean, it's not fine because it's a stupid thing to say, but it would have been odder if it had been from the father.

Posted by: Rum, Goddess of Doom at January 09, 2011 07:59 PM (YxBuk)

405 Problem is, MFM still runs the debate. Millions of people will not see what we see, but will be led to believe what outfits like ABC News tell them.

Posted by: USS Diversity at January 09, 2011 08:00 PM (DLxD/)

406 405
I don't think the father of the little girl said that.
Someone who was at the shooting maybe or Giffords father said some
things about the Tea Party but not the little girl's father.

It was Giffords' father.

Posted by: Miss'80sBaby at January 09, 2011 08:00 PM (RsCf8)

407 397
It's either devolve to their level or let them get away with this...Which do you prefer?

When
you're sitting in a federal prison for the crime of typing about
defeating an incumbent on the internets (with the special hate crimes
modifier, 'cause you were talking about a sitting member of Congress),
at least you can comfort yourself with the knowledge that you did not
devolve. (Sounds like something proggs pat themselves on the back over,
doesn't it?..."I'm so much more better than those knuckle-dragging
semi-literate cousin-humping gun-fetishing teabaggers because I'm more
evolved!")


Posted by: HeatherRadish at January 09, 2011 07:56 PM (4ucxv)
I'm fairly certain you won't go to jail for blogging or posting about defeating a political opponent in an election.You can feel free to lose your moral compass because the left has, and you might feel the need to do "what's wrong to get what's right" but then you'll be no better than they are.

Posted by: tangonine at January 09, 2011 08:00 PM (x3YFz)

408 It was Gifford's father in the immediate aftermath.
Sifty Johnson is right. This is the momentfor all the powder being kept dry to be put to use.

Posted by: Count de Monet at January 09, 2011 08:01 PM (XBM1t)

409 I think he's trying to sabotage the trial... He needs to be sacked ASAP.

Posted by: KG at January 09, 2011 08:01 PM (1qER1)

410 Interesting comment on WaPo story, saying the guy's facebook/videos were
more in line with someone named David Wynn Miller, who sounds like a
fruitcake extroardinaire, with rules of language and grammar that
resonate a bit.

Where I live in the gawdawful batshit crazy San Francisco Bay Area, this David Wynn Miller guy is being repeatedly described by liberal commenters as being a, quote, "Tea Party favorite".

First time in my entire life I had ever heard of this Miller clown was yesterday when the liberals dredged him up, in an attempt to play Five Degrees of Sarah Palin after the tragedy, to wit:

Giffords->Shooter->Miller->Tea Party->Palin.

Had any of the rest of you ever heard of him before this?




Posted by: torquewrench at January 09, 2011 08:01 PM (aWrFJ)

411 Or are they just going to take a page from the GWB playbook and let the
liberals paint whatever picture they want with no response?

Pretty much.

Posted by: Rum, Goddess of Doom at January 09, 2011 08:02 PM (YxBuk)

412 tangonine

Then you'll lose everything that let's you be who you are. Enjoy your eventual cell in the gulag.

Posted by: GMan at January 09, 2011 08:03 PM (fW0wg)

413 Rum Johnson is Right!Sifty Johnson is right.

Come for the Valu-rite, stay for the Blazing Saddles references. This place rocks.

Posted by: Rum, Goddess of Doom at January 09, 2011 08:03 PM (YxBuk)

414 Every public statement seems to be from the same script. Obama's script.

Posted by: Barbarian at January 09, 2011 08:03 PM (EL+OC)

415 I know people dealing with incredible grief say things, but as a Tea Partier and mom of a Marine, I'm deeply offended by things said, whether they're grieving or not. Especially since my kid's CiC wouldn't be bothered to contact us and express condolences if something dreadful happened to our only child.

So, yeah, I'm taking exception to folks claiming tea partiers are teh evul. Seriously. Don't fuck with me that way.

My kid is willing to die for you whether you're a libtard or not.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at January 09, 2011 08:04 PM (UOM48)

416 416
tangonine

Then you'll lose everything that let's you be who you are. Enjoy your eventual cell in the gulag.


Posted by: GMan at January 09, 2011 08:03 PM (fW0wg)
So you're advocating lying cheating and general dishonesty just because it might gain you the upper hand?
You're a coward.

Posted by: tangonine at January 09, 2011 08:04 PM (x3YFz)

417
Rum Johnson is Right!Sifty Johnson is right.Come for the Valu-rite, stay for the Blazing Saddles references. This place rocks.

Posted by: Rum, Goddess of Doom at January 09, 2011 08:03 PM (YxBuk)
I literally just laughed so hard I choked. I completely scrolled by Sifty's post. Too funny!

Posted by: Tami at January 09, 2011 08:05 PM (VuLos)

418 With the great flow of John Boehner's copious tears, the parched Arizona desert would bloom again.

Posted by: TexasJew at January 09, 2011 08:06 PM (u7MHs)

419 I'm fairly certain that the people that constantly say "let's not stoop to their level" are unserious about these sorts of things. The left is playing for keeps. In this case "keeps" are pretty much your way of life, your ability to speak your mind, and your ability to live without big brother. They will do *anything* to win this. If you aren't willing to fight back just as hard as they are, you're worthless.

Posted by: GMan at January 09, 2011 08:06 PM (fW0wg)

420 Mike Lee of Utah (R-Utah) spoke-out against this event being used as political propaganda. Didn't hear about the statements of a majority of other leaders, since they have been in meetings and having conference calls almost all day.

Posted by: Miss'80sBaby at January 09, 2011 08:07 PM (RsCf8)

421 I'm fairly certain you won't go to jail for blogging or posting about defeating a political opponent in an election.

Five years ago I was fairly certain the federal government wasn't going to make not purchasing health insurance for your 26-year-old child a crime.

Posted by: HeatherRadish at January 09, 2011 08:07 PM (4ucxv)

422 Loughner killed six people, one of them a nine year old girl, and yet
he didn't even make sure the primary target was dead. Several others were wounded. It sounds to me that Loughner was looking for a reason to kill lots of people and Giffords was
unlucky to be his representative. Jared may have had a specific reason to choose Giffords but it's pretty clear to me that he enjoyed the shooting at lots and lots of people part more than he wanted to just shoot at Giffords.

Posted by: pitythefool at January 09, 2011 08:08 PM (73HbN)

423 No, tangonine, *you're* a coward. You're the one not willing to fight for what's actually right. I don't *care* if I have to lie to get a point across in this fight, because if we *lose* this fight, we're done. There's nothing left to fight for.

Posted by: GMan at January 09, 2011 08:08 PM (fW0wg)

424 Pretty much.

Then fuck them. Fuck them all. They don't deserve to lead. If the Republicans are unwilling to defend themselves then every last one of them deserves to loose the next election. Why not have a 100% Dem Congress? Then, when this nation devolves into another PIGS-style shit-hole with no economy and no law, the Dems won't have a gaggle of fuckstick do-nothing Repubs to hide behind and blame.

Posted by: Rod Rescueman at January 09, 2011 08:09 PM (QxGmu)

425 No conservative would ever be allowed to voice such trash.Would be instantly repudiated by the party and told to resign.We're the bad guys though,go figure.

Posted by: steevy at January 09, 2011 08:10 PM (V6aq8)

426 I want to hear Republicans come out loud and strong tomorrow in response to the MFM and libtard douchebags (I'm looking at you "Sheriff").

Call the libs on their hypocrisy and shit. Anything else will be totally unacceptable.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at January 09, 2011 08:10 PM (UOM48)

427 This thread needs some cute puppy pictures.

Posted by: TexasJew at January 09, 2011 08:10 PM (u7MHs)

428 I wonder what Sarah Palin must be thinking about now.

Posted by: jewells45 at January 09, 2011 08:11 PM (Z71Vg)

429 392 386 tangonin

It's either devolve to their level or let them get away with this...Which do you prefer?
Posted by: GMan at January 09, 2011 07:52 PM (fW0wg)

I prefer standing by what makes me what I am. And lying and misrepresenting the truth is not that.

Posted by: tangonine at January 09, 2011 07:54 PM (x3YFz)

IMHO what we need can be described by two words:

Opposition Research

And by "opposition" I mean MFM personalities. Brian Williams, Katie Couric, Bob Schieffer, that fat tingly bastard, the whole lot of them.

Find out every embarassing fact- every nasty divorce, every mistress, every DUI, every missed tax payment, every adverse credit report, every off-color remark, every men's room liaison- all of it. Collect every sound bite, photo, and video clip.

Publish them on the internet, and sell them- the NBC nasties to ABC and CBS, the CBS nasties to ABC and NBC, the ABC nasties to NBC and CBS, and the CNN and NBC nasties to everybody- including the National Enquirer.

Spill their blood in the water and watch the feeding frenzy ensue- they won't be able to resist.

And that feeding frenzy will completely de-legitimize them in the eyes of the public- for a time anyway.

Lather, rinse, repeat until they are completely marginalized.

Posted by: Nighthawk at January 09, 2011 08:11 PM (Ka/Mg)

430 414 torquewrench, never heard of him till I saw him mentioned on Washington Post site today.

His wiki page is sparse, but this caught my eye about it:

"On April 6, 1988, Miller invented what he calls the Mathematical Interface for Language or Quantum-Math-Communications and Language[7] or Correct-Language.[8] According to Miller, his language is "for the stopping-claims of the Theft, Cheating, Fraud, Slavery and War."[7] Some people have used features of Miller's language in attempts to defend themselves in courts of law."
and
"Miller says the people who do not use Truth-Language are in Fiction = no fact."
and
"Miller says that the people who use Truth-language are in the right."
and
"the genesis of Truth-language was when he "turned Hawaii into a verb" and showed "how a preposition is needed to certify a noun."
"Conscience dreaming" may not be too far afield, if one invents currencies too.

He's apparently a coast to coast meme, but what kind?

Posted by: barbarausa at January 09, 2011 08:11 PM (gRgC6)

431 432 I wonder what Sarah Palin must be thinking about now.
Posted by: jewells45 at January 09, 2011 08:11 PM (Z71Vg)
Moose steaks.

Posted by: TexasJew at January 09, 2011 08:11 PM (u7MHs)

432 Jared was aiming at everyone. The Media and Democrats are aiming at us.

So what else is new? For eight years George Bush waged war against the terrorists; all the while the Dems and the media waged war against George Bush.

Posted by: Sad state of affairs at January 09, 2011 08:12 PM (4o/Qp)

433 427
No, tangonine, *you're* a coward. You're the one not willing to fight
for what's actually right. I don't *care* if I have to lie to get a
point across in this fight, because if we *lose* this fight, we're
done. There's nothing left to fight for.


Posted by: GMan at January 09, 2011 08:08 PM (fW0wg)
You're advocating that the right ("us") blame obama, and any other lefty, like they did to Sarah Palin, for acts like this.That is dishonest and despicable.Cowards lie. I will fight for what's right and what's NOT right is lying and misrepresenting the truth. You're a coward, the worst kind. At least I know who the enemies are on the left, you're the enemy on the right that hides and the shadows and undermines our principles.

Posted by: tangonine at January 09, 2011 08:12 PM (x3YFz)

434 Well, say hello again to Speaker Pelosi. Only two more years.

Posted by: kansas at January 09, 2011 08:12 PM (4FGpb)

435 This shit starts with the tone at the top.
"The police acted stupidly." - President Obama.

Posted by: Count de Monet at January 09, 2011 08:12 PM (XBM1t)

436 Posted by: pitythefool at January 09, 2011 08:08 PM (73HbN)
He was planning a suicide by cop / mass killing.
His self delusionalresolve to achieve this goal and the subsequentresultsare a clue to his character.
He's a coward and an attention whore. He deserves to die a death that we, as a nation,are too kind to condemn him too.

Posted by: garrett at January 09, 2011 08:12 PM (n7UUV)

437 437
427
No, tangonine, *you're* a coward. You're the one not willing to fight
for what's actually right. I don't *care* if I have to lie to get a
point across in this fight, because if we *lose* this fight, we're
done. There's nothing left to fight for.


Posted by: GMan at January 09, 2011 08:08 PM (fW0wg)

and do you not see, on a fundamental level, that lying to make your point makes you a despicable creature?

Posted by: tangonine at January 09, 2011 08:13 PM (x3YFz)

438 I wonder what Sarah Palin must be thinking about now.
Posted by: jewells45 at January 09, 2011 08:11 PM (Z71Vg)
Her final show is on TLC right now.

Posted by: Tami at January 09, 2011 08:13 PM (VuLos)

439 This thread needs some cute puppy Boobehpictures.

Posted by: garrett at January 09, 2011 08:13 PM (n7UUV)

440 Lighten up. In 2 weeks, no one will give a shit. Not in this economy.

Posted by: TexasJew at January 09, 2011 08:13 PM (u7MHs)

441 I wouldn't watch "The View" tomorrow if it could cure cancer. I'll bet Joyless Behar will be in fine form. And that worthless little twit, Elisabeth Hasselbeck will continue to mumble, suck her thumb, and make all conservative women everywhere look like stumblefucks.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at January 09, 2011 08:14 PM (UOM48)

442 Principles don't do you much good when you can't espouse them because it'll be branded hate speech. The real coward is someone that's afraid to fight because of "principle".

Posted by: GMan at January 09, 2011 08:14 PM (fW0wg)

443 I wonder what Sarah Palin must be thinking about now.
Posted by: jewells45 at January 09, 2011 08:11 PM (Z71Vg)
I'd say she's pretty pissed off right now.

Posted by: Steph at January 09, 2011 08:15 PM (KqBTY)

444 Release the Todd! (Palin)

Posted by: Jane D'oh at January 09, 2011 08:16 PM (UOM48)

445 446
Principles don't do you much good when you can't espouse them because
it'll be branded hate speech. The real coward is someone that's afraid
to fight because of "principle".



Posted by: GMan at January 09, 2011 08:14 PM (fW0wg)
You're mistaking my adherence to a set of values as "afraid to fight." That is not a reasonable, or advisable, assumption.

Posted by: tangonine at January 09, 2011 08:16 PM (x3YFz)

446 Dear shithead...err, tango,

The way I see it...the left *is* responsible.

There have been plenty of quotes here from Obama, and other lefties just about crossing the line calling for violence. All the most recent instances of political violence in this county...caused by and coming from the left. So, you know what? Go fuck yourself. Don't lecture me on something you're obviously too innocent and "pure" to understand. That is, if you're in a fight for survival, you don't fight "fair". You don't fight "with rules". You do what you need to survive the situation and get out. That's what this is. It's twats like you that are causing us to lose this.

Posted by: GMan at January 09, 2011 08:17 PM (fW0wg)

447 This incompetent hack Dupnik sounds like he's been coached.

Nope.

There is no conspiracy here as far as I can tell.

I've met the man.

He truly does believe the whackadoo ignorant shit he spouts.


Posted by: Deety at January 09, 2011 08:18 PM (Jb3+B)

448 This thread needs some cute puppy Boobehpictures.
Umm, you did click the link here at295didn't you?

Posted by: laceyunderalls at January 09, 2011 08:19 PM (1a8St)

449 Lighten up. In 2 weeks, no one will give a shit. Not in this economy.
I'm digging as fast as I can.
If you think you can do any better, you can have the mop!

Posted by: Barack Hussein Obama Digging us Out Since 2008 at January 09, 2011 08:20 PM (n7UUV)

450 Gman @ 423

You're new to this site?

That is ALL they ever say. "Don't stoop to their level!!" "Not now!!"

The Left IS playing for keeps. But Kyl "smacked" someone around with his pasty, sterile, reply.

The time is now.

Posted by: Joe at January 09, 2011 08:20 PM (rthv6)

451 If the Republicans do not refudiate this smear campaign loudly and forcefully within the next 24 hours, I swear to God I will never donate one more cent to a Republican campaign and I'll stay home for every election until I am dead.

Exactly what is the fucking point of even electing them (or even caring if they get elected) if all they can do is sit around with their collective thumbs up each others asses while everyone who loves this nation is being painted as a terrorist?

I'm opting out of all of it. I hear Belize is nice.

Posted by: Rod Rescueman at January 09, 2011 08:21 PM (QxGmu)

452 Arizona Sheriff says he doen't know why his head whistles like an old-timey coke bottle when the wind blows, but he's pretty sure it's because of Republicans.

Posted by: Count de Monet at January 09, 2011 08:21 PM (XBM1t)

453 450
Dear shithead...err, tango,

The way I see it...the left *is* responsible.

There
have been plenty of quotes here from Obama, and other lefties just
about crossing the line calling for violence. All the most recent
instances of political violence in this county...caused by and coming
from the left. So, you know what? Go fuck yourself. Don't lecture me
on something you're obviously too innocent and "pure" to understand.
That is, if you're in a fight for survival, you don't fight "fair". You
don't fight "with rules". You do what you need to survive the
situation and get out. That's what this is. It's twats like you that
are causing us to lose this.


Posted by: GMan at January 09, 2011 08:17 PM (fW0wg)
Ok, fuckstain. Here it is: we don't do what they do because we're not them. If you're too much of a complete fucking retard to understand that then you should go nurse a .45 revovler.
You're a fucking cocksucker piece of shit that thinks that acting like they do will make it all better. Hint, idiot, it won't. You're a fucking moron.
Wanna discuss it more? PM me or send me an e-mail and we can set up a 1-on-1 discussion IRL and I can make it perfectly fucking clear to you who's a coward and who isn't.Now fuck off.

Posted by: tangonine at January 09, 2011 08:21 PM (x3YFz)

454 Why don't we fight them with facts,
which we clearly have on our
side? No one on the Left has been able to construct a good argument as
to why Loughner was moved to act by Palin or any of the others, and even someone like Howard
Kurtz had to admit that. The "evidence" they keep repeating on the cable networks is incredibly weak and they know it.

Posted by: Miss'80sBaby at January 09, 2011 08:21 PM (RsCf8)

455 FYI, Jonah Goldberg is really hot about this. And he is no Palin fan

Posted by: AmishDude at January 09, 2011 08:21 PM (T0NGe)

456 #454

No, not new. I don't post much. I mostly lurk. But some shit just pushes me to post.

Posted by: GMan at January 09, 2011 08:22 PM (fW0wg)

457 453
Lighten up. In 2 weeks, no one will give a shit. Not in this economy.
I'm digging as fast as I can.
If you think you can do any better, you can have the mop!
Posted by: Barack Hussein Obama Digging us Out Since 2008 at January 09, 2011 08:20 PM (n7UUV)
Finally,a job her's actually qualified for.

Posted by: TexasJew at January 09, 2011 08:22 PM (u7MHs)

458 Why don't we fight them with facts,
which we clearly have on our
side?

I don't think that really works, 80sbaby. Sure, for the more default liberal types it may, but not the frothy Olberman types. The Global Warming thing is a perfect example. You can't use reason on unreasonable people.

Posted by: Rum, Goddess of Doom at January 09, 2011 08:22 PM (YxBuk)

459 Ahh, I believe tango just decided to the "let's meet in RL and fight" LOL. On the internet. Fun stuff, fuckstain.

Posted by: GMan at January 09, 2011 08:23 PM (fW0wg)

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Be not emulous of evildoers; nor envy them that
work iniquity. For they shall shortly wither away as grass, and as the green
herbs shall quickly fall.

Posted by: Psalms 37:1-2 at January 09, 2011 08:24 PM (RHFUq)

461 Now, Boys -
Don't make me haul your asses to DC for a 'BEER CHAT'Summit'.

Posted by: Barack Obama at January 09, 2011 08:25 PM (n7UUV)

462 463
Ahh, I believe tango just decided to the "let's meet in RL and fight" LOL. On the internet. Fun stuff, fuckstain.


Posted by: GMan at January 09, 2011 08:23 PM (fW0wg)
I just suggested we meet and have a discussion. But you're a pussy. so. Yeah.

Posted by: tangonine at January 09, 2011 08:25 PM (x3YFz)

463 461 RACIST!!

Posted by: steevy at January 09, 2011 08:25 PM (V6aq8)

464 Someone was murdered in Baltimore last week. I blame Tea partiers, Fox news, Rush Limbaugh, Glen Beck and Sarah Palin. We should take away their free speech rights and right to assembly.

Oh noone said anything mean about Bush, shit was just civil as shit with people running around accusing him of murdering 3000 civilians and starting wars by deliberately lying to the entire country. Nope totally civil then.

Posted by: Mr Pink at January 09, 2011 08:26 PM (h2+O0)

465 as the green herbs shall quickly fall.
This is what I was saying!

Posted by: David Frum at January 09, 2011 08:26 PM (n7UUV)

466 Nah, I'm just laughing at your stupid ass.

Posted by: GMan at January 09, 2011 08:27 PM (fW0wg)

467 Gman

Same here. Got tired of the RINO shit, and being called a racist, etc.

This thing is reaching a tipping point, but suggesting telling the Left to go to hell and here's why, is stooping?

Fuck that. They need to be told, OUT LOUD, by all of us who get it.

Posted by: Joe at January 09, 2011 08:27 PM (rthv6)

468 Where the hell is McCain on this shit? Why isn't he out there loudly
denouncing this prick for painting him and his party as demons? Last
time I checked he was still a Senator from Arizona.Did every
Republican leave their balls home in a jar today? Or are they just
going to take a page from the GWB playbook and let the liberals paint
whatever picture they want with no response?

Dudes. McCain said this:I pray for Gabby and the other victims, and for the repose of the souls
of the dead and comfort for their families. I beg our loving Creator to
spare the lives of those who are still alive, heal them in body and
spirit, and return them to their loved ones. Whoever did this; whatever
their reason, they are a disgrace to Arizona, this country and the human
race, and they deserve and will receive the contempt of all decent
people and the strongest punishment of the law.

Posted by: arhooley at January 09, 2011 08:28 PM (Dks0L)

469 Someone let us know when this hack sheriff is up for reelection so we can money bomb his opponent regardless of party.

Posted by: CMU VET at January 09, 2011 08:28 PM (fotjt)

470 The "evidence" they keep repeating on the cable networks is incredibly weak and they know it.
Posted by: Miss'80sBaby at January 09, 2011 08:21 PM (RsCf
Because they don't care about "evidence". They know they don't have it, so the meme now becomes...
The massacre in Tucson is, in a sense, irrelevant to the important point. Whatever drove Jared Lee Loughner, America’s political frequencies are full of violent static.
You see that? Now, the massacre is irrelevent to the more important point of smearing the right. That's their goal.
Irrelevent? Jeebus, those people are freaks.

Posted by: Steph at January 09, 2011 08:29 PM (KqBTY)

471 462
I don't think that really works, 80sbaby. Sure, for
the more default liberal types it may, but not the frothy Olberman
types. The Global Warming thing is a perfect example. You can't use
reason on unreasonable people.

Yes, they are all post-modernists who don't care about logic. However, how about trying to bypass them and bringing the message to the people? Flood the airwaves, email channels, Facebook, and whatever else we have at our disposal.

As for Congress, I'll give it until Tuesday. Tomorrow they are taking some votes on Giffords and things. But as far as I know, they are not canceling the agenda or walking any previous proposals back; in fact, a few said the exact opposite.* The ObamaCare vote will be the most telling issue in all this.

*Didn't catch all of them.

Posted by: Miss'80sBaby at January 09, 2011 08:29 PM (RsCf8)

472 466
463
Ahh, I believe tango just decided to the "let's meet in RL and fight" LOL. On the internet. Fun stuff, fuckstain.


Posted by: GMan at January 09, 2011 08:23 PM (fW0wg)
I just suggested we meet and have a discussion. But you're a pussy. so. Yeah.


Posted by: tangonine at January 09, 2011 08:25 PM (x3YFz)
And to reiterate the point. Your position is that the right should lie and misrepresent the truth because the left does. Right? Let's get that much clear: you think we should be shitbags just like them. Correct?

Posted by: tangonine at January 09, 2011 08:29 PM (x3YFz)

473 470
Nah, I'm just laughing at your stupid ass.


Posted by: GMan at January 09, 2011 08:27 PM (fW0wg)
It's you that's the dumbass here. Suggesting that we misrepresent the truth, blame it all on Obama, regardless of the facts... You're an idiot.

Posted by: tangonine at January 09, 2011 08:30 PM (x3YFz)

474 464 Be not emulous of evildoers; nor envy them that work iniquity. For they shall shortly wither away as grass, and as the green herbs shall quickly fall.
Posted by: Psalms 37:1-2 at January 09, 2011 08:24 PM (RHFUq)

"And you shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free. ' -John 8:32

(Also the motto of the U.S. Central Intelligence Agency, and lefty heads would absolutely explode if they know it was CHISELED INTO THE STONE WALL of a Government building, so don't tell them :-)

Posted by: Nighthawk at January 09, 2011 08:32 PM (Ka/Mg)

475 Suggesting that we misrepresent the truth, blame it all on Obama, regardless of the facts... You're an idiot.
Posted by: tangonine at January 09, 2011 08:30 PM (x3YFz)
Who's fault is all this heated up rhetoric then? Whose?

Posted by: Steph at January 09, 2011 08:32 PM (KqBTY)

476 so we can money bomb his opponent
*cough* Violent words directed at office-holders are hate speech, Comrade, no matter how much tangonine wants to pretend there isn't a movement in that direction.

Posted by: HeatherRadish at January 09, 2011 08:32 PM (4ucxv)

477 Posted by: Rod Rescueman at January 09, 2011 07:59 PM

To drive my point home: Are you listening to the MFM or what? They seem to have you right where they want you. "McCain said nothing! All hands assemble for circular firing squad now!"

Posted by: arhooley at January 09, 2011 08:33 PM (Dks0L)

478 listen here! i'm in internet warrior and i'll kick your weedy ass!!

Posted by: tangerine at January 09, 2011 08:34 PM (EkLCq)

479 474Because they don't care about "evidence". They know
they don't have it, so the meme now becomes... [...]
That was always going to be their mantra in a situation like this, at least if a person with a D after their name was harmed in any way. Same with ObamaCare and other reforms, where they also say we are starving the elderly and little kids with cancer. That's why we have to go above their heads. Otherwise, we are engaged in a lose-lose situation and might as well throw in the towel. But they don't have to win this one.

Posted by: Miss'80sBaby at January 09, 2011 08:34 PM (RsCf8)

480 479
Suggesting that we misrepresent the truth, blame it all on Obama, regardless of the facts... You're an idiot.

Posted by: tangonine at January 09, 2011 08:30 PM (x3YFz)
Who's fault is all this heated up rhetoric then? Whose?

Posted by: Steph at January 09, 2011 08:32 PM (KqBTY)
I'm not certain, but I'll just blame it all on Al Gore.

Posted by: tangonine at January 09, 2011 08:34 PM (x3YFz)

481 "The police acted stupidly." - President Obama. --Posted by: Count de Monet
^ This.
Obama: “They Bring a Knife…We Bring a Gun”Obama to His Followers: “Get in Their Faces!”Obama on ACORN Mobs: “I don’t want to quell anger. I think people are right to be angry! I’m angry!”Obama to His Mercenary Army: “Hit Back Twice As Hard”Obama on the private sector: “We talk to these folks… so I know whose ass to kick.“Obama to voters: Republican victory would mean “hand to hand combat”Obama to lib supporters: “It’s time to Fight for it.”Obama to Latino supporters: “Punish your enemies.”Obama to democrats: “I’m itching for a fight.” --Posted by: Tami
^ And this.
Next time anyone says anything to me about 'violent rhetoric' from the right, these quotes are coming out!

Posted by: Stillwater at January 09, 2011 08:35 PM (0GpN4)

482 arhooley, I know he said it, but what the hell is he going to do? I want to know what the repubs are going to do to help us fight this shit.

Posted by: Steph at January 09, 2011 08:35 PM (KqBTY)

483 GRRR!! I'll kick your ass. whoever you are. I am VERY ANGRY!! gRR11!!

Posted by: tangerine at January 09, 2011 08:37 PM (EkLCq)

484 We need to ask Ace what happened to that plan where we were going to dig up dirt on journalists. Remember that back near the end of 2008? Time to get that party started.

Posted by: CDR M at January 09, 2011 08:37 PM (5I8G0)

485 Poor pussy Tango doesn't like being called a cowardly shithead, when clearly he decided to up the rhetoric from the get go.

Suck. It. Up. I mean, that's what your principles should be telling you to do, right shithead?

Posted by: GMan at January 09, 2011 08:37 PM (fW0wg)

486 Tim Blair of the Australian Daily Telegraph:

"The images shown on Palin’s map are crop marks, commonly used in printing."

It's all so sick. Even Howie Kurtz doesn't want any part of it:

"This isn't about a nearly year-old Sarah Palin map; it's about a lone nutjob who doesn't value human life."

Posted by: AmishDude at January 09, 2011 08:37 PM (T0NGe)

487 Shep is playing an interview of the woman who helped subdue the shooter. She said the sherriff got it all wrong on what happened.
How in the fuck does the sherriff who is in charge of the investigation get taking down the shooter wrong?
What a dumbass.

Posted by: robtr at January 09, 2011 08:37 PM (hVDig)

488 McCain has not been heard from because he got lost in a big shopping mall parking lot.

Posted by: TexasJew at January 09, 2011 08:37 PM (u7MHs)

489 That's why we have to go above their heads. Otherwise, we are engaged in a lose-lose situation and might as well throw in the towel. But they don't have to win this one.
Posted by: Miss'80sBaby at January 09, 2011 08:34 PM (RsCf
How do we go over their heads? We can't go to the media, because they're a part of it. We fighting like like hell on the interwebs, but where is that getting us? Where? How?

Posted by: Steph at January 09, 2011 08:37 PM (KqBTY)

490 robtr, have you gotten to the part of the interview where the woman blames the right for the shooter?

Posted by: Jane D'oh at January 09, 2011 08:38 PM (UOM48)

491 Arizona Sheriff says he doen't know whySerb nationalist Gavrilo Princip assissanatedArchduke Franz Ferdinand and wife Sophiein Sarajevo, but he's pretty sure it's because of Republicans.

Posted by: Count de Monet at January 09, 2011 08:38 PM (XBM1t)

492 The left has always been better at propaganda than us.The ability to cheerfully and bald facedly lie is strong in them.

Posted by: steevy at January 09, 2011 08:39 PM (V6aq8)

493 "... it guess its for the listeners to decide."

This sheriff is one arrogant prick

Posted by: billypaintbrush at January 09, 2011 08:39 PM (jpDqb)

494 Shep is playing an interview of the woman who helped subdue the shooter. She said the sherriff got it all wrong on what happened.
How in the fuck does the sherriff who is in charge of the investigation get taking down the shooter wrong?
What a dumbass.
Posted by: robtr at January 09, 2011 08:37 PM (hVDig)
Yeah, but did you hear who she blamed it on?

Posted by: Steph at January 09, 2011 08:39 PM (KqBTY)

495 489
Poor pussy Tango doesn't like being called a cowardly shithead, when clearly he decided to up the rhetoric from the get go.

Suck. It. Up. I mean, that's what your principles should be telling you to do, right shithead?


Posted by: GMan at January 09, 2011 08:37 PM (fW0wg)
You're kinda pussy hurt and off-topic now, huh?
Back to the point: you want everyone to act like the left does and lie and misrepresent the truth. Right? win at all costs? Even if you have to be a lying shitbag to do it?

Posted by: tangonine at January 09, 2011 08:39 PM (x3YFz)

496 The massacre in Tucson is, in a sense, irrelevant to the important point. Whatever drove Jared Lee Loughner, America’s political frequencies are full of violent static.
You see that? Now, the massacre is irrelevent to the more important point of smearing the right. That's their goal.
But for some reason, it's very important that we sit back and shut up, lest we be thought uncouth.

Posted by: HeatherRadish at January 09, 2011 08:39 PM (4ucxv)

497 There is no need for us to lie.

Instead we need to make sure people hear the truth.

I urge we and all other foes of the Left to bombard (demon!) the Left with the word "bullshit".

Say it right to their faces no matter what the venue.

Such as, "That's just bullshit. Here's what really happened." Then hit (devil!) them the facts.

Posted by: eman at January 09, 2011 08:39 PM (0aJSF)

498 Since Alexander Haig died, no one has really been in charge..

Posted by: TexasJew at January 09, 2011 08:40 PM (u7MHs)

499
What recourse does a disillusioned lefty have after all the skittles are redistributed and he didn't get any?

Posted by: sTevo at January 09, 2011 08:40 PM (VMcEw)

500 We need to ask Ace what happened to that plan where we were going to dig up dirt on journalists. Remember that back near the end of 2008? Time to get that party started.
Posted by: CDR M at January 09, 2011 08:37 PM (5I8G0
We need to wake him up first, and take away the Val-u-rite.

Posted by: Steph at January 09, 2011 08:40 PM (KqBTY)

501 That's another point-- since the election in Nov., they have been trying to drive a wedge between the various factions who are currently supporting the Republicans. How many times have we seen false stories that are intended to anger us into moving away from them? Saw some of the same today, where the remarks of some on the talk shows wasn't even reported. They put-out what they could spin, but not much else. If we break into splintered factions, it just shows we believed the meme. I think it might be a good idea to send some assertive yet not aggressive messages to Congress, to praise them for their efforts so far and to remind them of what lies ahead, that we will hold their feet to the fire. People of all stripes didn't elect this Congress just so it could collapse due to a loony like Loughner.

Posted by: Miss'80sBaby at January 09, 2011 08:40 PM (RsCf8)

502 OK, I'm going to say it:

They've had this general meme ready since mid 2008 and a lot of Democrats were hoping to use it if some nut had gone after...Obama.

Remember all of the handwringing about Obama's potential for being the victim of assassination? They talked about it so much, even after the inauguration that it sounded more like wishful thinking than fear.

Posted by: AmishDude at January 09, 2011 08:41 PM (T0NGe)

503 Interesting. Amanda Lee Meyers, one of the AP reporters that wrote up that super biased news story is an immigration beat reporter. Wonder why an immigration reporter is working this. Her phone number is 602-391-5097. I should give her a call and conduct an interview as to why she's focused on violence in her articles pertaining to this shooting.

Posted by: CDR M at January 09, 2011 08:41 PM (5I8G0)

504 And I don't mind being called cowardly, but you'll actually have to back that up.

Posted by: tangonine at January 09, 2011 08:41 PM (x3YFz)

505 What recourse does a disillusioned lefty have after all the skittles are redistributed and he didn't get any?
Dessert is not a right.

Posted by: Michelle O at January 09, 2011 08:42 PM (4ucxv)

506 But for some reason, it's very important that we sit back and shut up, lest we be thought uncouth.
Posted by: HeatherRadish at January 09, 2011 08:39 PM (4ucxv)
I can do rude, crude, and uncouth with the best of 'em, if I have to.

Posted by: Steph at January 09, 2011 08:42 PM (KqBTY)

507 We'll be paying out the ass for the elected elites security details. Every time they step our for a smoke or take a crap will require coordination and manpower.


Posted by: Barbarian at January 09, 2011 08:42 PM (EL+OC)

508 Back to the point: you want
everyone to act like the left does and lie and misrepresent the truth.
Right? win at all costs? Even if you have to be a lying shitbag to do
it?


Posted by: tangonine at January 09, 2011 08:39 PM (x3YFz)
I'm not sure that was his point...and maybe I misread him but I think what's being said is not to lie and misrepresent the truth but to correct what is being said and represented as truth by the left and the media (but I repeat myself). At least that's how I took it.

Posted by: Tami at January 09, 2011 08:42 PM (VuLos)

509 How do we go over their heads? We can't go to the media, because they're a part of it. We fighting like like hell on the interwebs, but where is that getting us? Where? How?
Thank you.

Posted by: USS Diversity at January 09, 2011 08:42 PM (DLxD/)

510 Dudes. McCain said this:I pray for Gabby and the other victims, and for the repose of the souls
of the dead and comfort for their families. I beg our loving Creator to
spare the lives of those who are still alive, heal them in body and
spirit, and return them to their loved ones. Whoever did this; whatever
their reason, they are a disgrace to Arizona, this country and the human
race, and they deserve and will receive the contempt of all decent
people and the strongest punishment of the law.

That's nice, but I'm waiting for him to say something about Sheriff Douchebag. I'm looking for a goddamn pushback, not platitudes that could have come from anyone.

Posted by: Rod Rescueman at January 09, 2011 08:43 PM (QxGmu)

511 My CongressWOMAN voted against Nancy Pelosi! And is now DEAD to me!Congresswoman Gabrielle Giffords is dead to me now. I won't lift a finger, make one phone call, nor will i EVER vote for her in the future. And why did she do this? Giffords never told me she was conservative Democrat.

BoyBlue, KOS, Thu Jan 06, 2011 at 11:07:17

[Quote courtesy of Google cache]



Giffords was considered a DINO by the socialists. And hated by some of them.

Her would-be assassin, not unlike BoyBlue was a once active Giffords supporter.

Wonder if BoyBlue and Loughner knew each other?

Posted by: Druid at January 09, 2011 08:43 PM (RnujI)

512 All this hysterical hand wringing has made me want to donate a tub of Ponds to all Ace commenters.

Posted by: TexasJew at January 09, 2011 08:43 PM (u7MHs)

513 robtr, have you gotten to the part of the interview where the woman blames the right for the shooter?
Posted by: Jane D'oh at January 09, 2011 08:38 PM (UOM4
No didn't hear that part, it wouldn't surprise me. She's a dem and was there for the rally. She said her part in it was that the gunman dropped the magazine when he was getting it out of his pocket and she picked it up off the ground and kept it. She said the two guys who tackled the guy took his gun away from him.
The sherriff said it was her who tackled him first and took the gun and the magazine away from him. It didn't happen, she was already on the ground and the shooter ended up next to her when the guys tackled him.

Posted by: robtr at January 09, 2011 08:44 PM (hVDig)

514 Posted by: CDR M at January 09, 2011 08:41 PM (5I8G0)
Do it. No should about it.

Posted by: Steph at January 09, 2011 08:44 PM (KqBTY)

515 515
Watch out Tango, I think you're being trolled.


Posted by: Mr. O.B.Vious Hindsight at January 09, 2011 08:42 PM (HKALw)
I'm a bit squirrelly tonight, and kinda itchin' for a fight, so I sort of brought it on myself.It happens.

Posted by: tangonine at January 09, 2011 08:44 PM (x3YFz)

516 488 We need to ask Ace what happened to that plan where we were going to dig up dirt on journalists. Remember that back near the end of 2008? Time to get that party started.
Posted by: CDR M at January 09, 2011 08:37 PM (5I8G0)

yep. i think it's time we try to jerk theseinstigators ofmayheminto the light, show who they screw, who they get donations from. who do they party with.

Posted by: willow at January 09, 2011 08:45 PM (h+qn8)

517 Damn, can't you all just get along?

Posted by: Rodney King at January 09, 2011 08:45 PM (1a8St)

518 The media and the democrats are fomenting so much unfounded hatred against conservatives now. I'd like to think that when yet another deranged lefty acts on that, the left will be called on their rhetoric. But they won't. If the left can blame Sarah Palin for the act of a "liberal, very left-wing" pothead who favorited a film of a flag burning in "Terrorist America" and described the Communist Manifesto as one of his favorite books before shooting a judge nominated by George H.W. Bush and a pro-SecondAmendment Congresswoman who was hated by the left, then the left will never be blamed for anything.

Posted by: Palandine at January 09, 2011 08:45 PM (g7D8V)

519 steph

Nothing. The repubs are going to do NOTHING.

Always remember, no matter the situation:

Remain calm; do NOT act like them; save our political capital; do not play into their hands - BTW, that means respond in any way;

Etc.

Feel better?

Posted by: Joe at January 09, 2011 08:45 PM (rthv6)

520 Thefederal judge who was actually killed was quite consevative, pro-border enforcement. Hmmmmmm.
Damned racist TeaPartiers! /

Posted by: Stillwater at January 09, 2011 08:45 PM (0GpN4)

521 517-Giffords was considered a DINO by the socialists. And hated by some of them.Her would-be assassin, not unlike BoyBlue was a once active Giffords supporter.Wonder if BoyBlue and Loughner knew each other?
Our unprofessional corrupt hack media won't ever look into it. Too busy spinning the lefty meme. Those evil folks who don't like ObamaCare - and Palin and stuff.

Posted by: Lemon Kitten at January 09, 2011 08:46 PM (0fzsA)

522 TexasJew!
Glad to see you back!

Posted by: Rodney King at January 09, 2011 08:46 PM (1a8St)

523 TJ I hope you are right and this shit just blows over.I have my doubts though.Already the libs have forced the right onto the defensive,and the right did NOTHING wrong!They control the whole fucking tone of the story,they have the initiative.

Posted by: steevy at January 09, 2011 08:46 PM (V6aq8)

524 cdrm, although i don't know how this is done.

Posted by: willow at January 09, 2011 08:46 PM (h+qn8)

525 Arizona Sheriff says he doesn't know why Julius Caeasar was assassinated in 44 B.C., but he's pretty sure it's because of Republicans.

Posted by: Count de Monet at January 09, 2011 08:47 PM (XBM1t)

526 Aw, poor partially brain-dead sock. Be gone.

Posted by: laceyundearlls at January 09, 2011 08:47 PM (1a8St)

527 494How do we go over their heads? We can't
go to the
media, because they're a part of it. We fighting like like hell on the
interwebs, but where is that getting us? Where? How?



We were somehow able to do it prior to this last election; either that,
or it was just people seeing things for themselves. How do we go back to that?

I'm also think this story about the Tea Party also won't stick if we (as members of the Tea Party) somehow demonstrate that we weren't a part of this. It's so incredibly obvious that we weren't, but it seems some need the reassurance. Also, as aforementioned, trying to keep our leaders fighting would also be a step in the right direction.

Otherwise, I honestly don't know. We lost the media war a long time ago, though we had been gaining some traction lately.


Posted by: Miss'80sBaby at January 09, 2011 08:47 PM (RsCf8)

528 I'm opting out of all of it. I hear Belize is nice.

Belize is fucking awesome!

They have tonnes of Whale Sharks!

Bring some guns (for fighting off pirates) and way to desalinate sea-water on a small scale for say, 15 people per day and yous just signed up for an island paradise!

Also, you will want to purchase treated wood for your palace and the huts that your native workers live in. Termites area bitch in the the Caribbean!

(Deety who does not know why she left Roatan to finish her education.)

Posted by: Deety at January 09, 2011 08:47 PM (Jb3+B)

529 525
steph





Nothing. The repubs are going to do NOTHING.





Always remember, no matter the situation:





Remain calm; do NOT act like them; save our political capital; do not
play into their hands - BTW, that means respond in any way;





Etc.





Feel better?







Posted by: Joe at January 09, 2011 08:45 PM (rthv6)
Was what I said. But I sort of was a wee bit abusive in making the point. I'm good at that.

Posted by: tangonine at January 09, 2011 08:47 PM (x3YFz)

530 It didn't happen, she was already on the ground and the shooter ended up next to her when the guys tackled him.
Posted by: robtr at January 09, 2011 08:44 PM (hVDig)
I think the sheriff said she was injured, too, and she wasn't. The man is a walking, talking, pus bucket.

Posted by: Steph at January 09, 2011 08:47 PM (KqBTY)

531 Glenn Reynolds is pissed.
To be clear, if you're using this event to criticize the "rhetoric" of Mrs. Palin or others with whom you disagree, then you're either: (a) asserting a connection between the "rhetoric" and the shooting, which based on evidence to date would be what we call a vicious lie; or (b) you're not, in which case you're just seizing on a tragedy to try to score unrelated political points, which is contemptible. Which is it?
Instapundit link to his WSJ piece.

Posted by: Mama AJ at January 09, 2011 08:48 PM (XdlcF)

532 Okay, I left to deal with real life about 200 comments ago. Before I get caught up, though, I have an observation and a very real, that is, no sarc, question as to why it is.

The blogs all over the left and right are making the exact same accusations; namely, that the other side wasted no time spinning the AZ tragedy for political gain. And each side has links to back up their claims.

Are they both correct? Why or why not? And how would anyone know who is right without tracking every single public comment and tracking a timeline to see who spoke first? Or is it whose comment is published first?

See what I'm trying to ask here? Not about history and patterns, because I know what they show, but about this or any other particular incident.

Thanks for any insight/opinions.

Posted by: sock puppeh at January 09, 2011 08:48 PM (VcPAo)

533 Remember on MSNBC when Ted Rall and Dylan Ratigan were advocating armed revolt?



Maybe this dipshit took it to heart.

Posted by: Naqamel at January 09, 2011 08:48 PM (ElKyb)

534 The Left is going full retard on this one.

They are trying to make Palin and the TEA Party radioactive.

I think it will backfire very badly.

Fucking ghouls.

Posted by: eman at January 09, 2011 08:49 PM (0aJSF)

535 OK, I'm going to say it:They've had this general meme ready since mid 2008 and a lot of Democrats were hoping to use it if some nut had gone after...Obama.Remember all of the handwringing about Obama's potential for being the victim of assassination? They talked about it so much, even after the inauguration that it sounded more like wishful thinking than fear.
I remember when the Secret Service came out and had to correct the media and say they were not receiving more than average threats on obama. Control to the media mem of the month.
Everytime someone on the left talks about rhetoric and how its causing this, I just bring up the movie and books about assassinating president bush. Anyone else freaking remember that? A fictional movie was made about killing bush and it got good coverage from the left. That's no big deal, but Palin saying we need to "target her district"". That's terrorism. New rule, any republican that might run against a democratic held seat is an act of adovation of terrorism.
CNN is fucking killing me. Now they've started doing stories based off of that retarded Sheriff's statement.They just had a story that had the intro, "The._____ said that Arizona is a mecca of bigotry, is that true? We'll look into it"/
So a fucking nut job drug addict shoots a congresswomen, kills a judge and some other people, and we've gone in the matter of 48 hours to a horrific event, to sarah palin, to the tea party, to fox news, to is arizona racist.
What is next?

Posted by: Ben at January 09, 2011 08:49 PM (DKV43)

536 Sheriff Dumptruck, the MFM, and the Dems could care less about
inflammatory rhetoric or the minuscule probability that some Tea Partier
might go ballistic and off somebody. This whole charade is a
transparent attempt to intimidate and silence the left's political
opponents. If it weren't for the fact that the brain-dead fiddy-two
percenters might buy this load of crap, it would be laughable because
it's so friggin' clumsy. I fully expect the next talking point to come
out of the echo chamber to be "we have to vote against the repeal of
Obamacare for poor Gabby." We need to stay in this fight civil debate for the long haul and keep pressure on our elected officials or we are truly and totally screwed.

Posted by: Reiver at January 09, 2011 08:49 PM (RFTUX)

537 contrary, not control

Posted by: Ben at January 09, 2011 08:49 PM (DKV43)

538 Just start using the internet. I'm picking the two authors of that AP article that I read last night blogged about at Clarion Advisory. Here is Amanda Lee Myers twitter. She's in Tucson right now. that's where I got her phone number from.

Posted by: CDR M at January 09, 2011 08:50 PM (5I8G0)

539 478
464 Be not emulous of evildoers; nor envy them that work iniquity. For
they shall shortly wither away as grass, and as the green herbs shall
quickly fall.


Posted by: Psalms 37:1-2 at January 09, 2011 08:24 PM (RHFUq)





"And you shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free. ' -John 8:32





(Also the motto of the U.S. Central Intelligence Agency, and lefty heads
would absolutely explode if they know it was CHISELED INTO THE STONE
WALL of a Government building, so don't tell them :-)

Posted by: Nighthawk at January 09, 2011 08:32 PM (Ka/Mg)
So true...even though the Left has advantages like having control of the media/academia/government, they're still on the wrong side. While they may be able to fool a lot of people, they will never be able to overcome the truth.

Posted by: grace at January 09, 2011 08:50 PM (RHFUq)

540 Is their a way to gather info solid against the sheriff, the same way Breitbart did with some other individuals/organizations?

Posted by: Miss'80sBaby at January 09, 2011 08:52 PM (RsCf8)

541 I think it will backfire very badly.



Fucking ghouls.

Posted by: eman at January 09, 2011 08:49 PM (0aJSF)
That's what my husband thinks. I'm not so sure...don't have that much faith in the public.

Posted by: Tami at January 09, 2011 08:52 PM (VuLos)

542 Posted by: CDR M at January 09, 2011 08:50 PM (5I8G0)
What she and her ilk are doing to the notion of Journalism, Progressives are doing to the Rule of Law and the Civil Society.
Tear her a new one.

Posted by: garrett at January 09, 2011 08:52 PM (n7UUV)

543 Representative Bob Brady of Pennsylvania told The Caucus he plans to introduce a bill that would ban symbols like that now-infamous campaign crosshair map.
"You can't threaten the president with a bullseye or a crosshair," Mr. Brady, a Democrat, said, and his measure would make it a crime to do so to a member of Congress or federal employee, as well.
Asked if he believed the map incited the gunman in Tucson, he replied, "I don't know what's in that nut's head. I would rather be safe than sorry."
He continued, "This is not a wakeup call. This is a major alarm going off. We need to be more civil with each other. We need to tone down this rhetoric."
Will be be banning the Quran too? It's caused more deaths than political adds

Posted by: Ben at January 09, 2011 08:52 PM (DKV43)

544 To drive my point home: Are you listening to the MFM or what? They seem
to have you right where they want you. "McCain said nothing! All hands
assemble for circular firing squad now!"

Still not getting it, are you? If the Republicans/Tea Party are unwilling to speak out about this nation-wide smear campaign, it means only two things:

1. They are bought off by the Big Government machine.
2. They are cowards running scared.

Either way, we are living in a one party oligarchy, and it's over, as far as America (the one we used to read about in history books) is concerned. All elections are officially meaningless dog and pony shows. Why would I ever fight for them if they never fight for me or themselves?

Seriously. Fuck them all.

Posted by: Rod Rescueman at January 09, 2011 08:53 PM (QxGmu)

545 The left can go fuck themselves. They poisoned the well. For 40 fucking years they been violently protesting everything. They vilified everything and anything and nothing is sacred to them. Whats the latest shit, targeting the rich, and they marched whole fucking mobs and CEO lawns. Not to mention a fucking wannabe tin pot who affirmative actioned his silly worthless ass into the white house who still is dividing the country with his fucking strawman and fingerpointing.

What was that that happened a few years ago when war protests were the rage? Oh burning images of bush, burning the fucking flag, saying they support the troops when they shoot their officers, etc. Yeah , and then those 2-3 little scumbags jumped that disabled vet on crutches at the concert and beat him to the ground while kicking him. Remember that?

Fuck the left, fuck them where they breath.

Now they are pulling the same fucking shit only now they are putting palin and the tea party in danger. Personally, I couldn't give a fucking rats's ass what level we stoop to.


Posted by: Berserker at January 09, 2011 08:53 PM (gWHrG)

546 Where is the GOP to defend us?
I've watched Chris Matthews fantasize ON AIR about seeing Rush Limbaugh shot in the head....
I've seen Sandra Bernhard stating that Sarah Palin deserves to be GANG RAPED if she comes to New York....
I've seen Nobel "Peace Prize" winner Betty Williams publicly state her desire to MURDER President George W. Bush....
I've seen Craig Kilborn superimpose the words, "Snipers Wanted" over President George W. Bush's face....
I've seen trailers for the movie "Death of a President", another leftwing assassination fantasy against President Bush....
I've seen Nina Totenberg wishing death by AIDS on Senator Jesse Helms and his GRANDCHILDREN....
I've seen Julianne Malveaux wish death on Supreme Court Justice Clarence Thomas....
WHERE THE HELL IS THE GOP?

Posted by: Sam Adams at January 09, 2011 08:55 PM (GkYyh)

547 What she and her ilk are doing to the notion of Journalism, Progressives are doing to the Rule of Law and the Civil Society.
Tear her a new one.

Posted by: garrett at January 09, 2011 08:52 PM (n7UUV)
I'll try. Too bad I'm not in Arizona right now. I'd grab a camera and get an interview with her over at Giffords HQ where she is right now.

Posted by: CDR M at January 09, 2011 08:55 PM (5I8G0)

548 Wanna discuss it more? PM me or
send me an e-mail and we can set up a 1-on-1 discussion IRL and I can
make it perfectly fucking clear to you who's a coward and who isn't.Now fuck off.


Posted by: tangonine at January 09, 2011 08:21 PM (x3YFz)
We don't need this--now or ever

Posted by: SantaRosaStan at January 09, 2011 08:56 PM (UqKQV)

549 #534
Bring some guns (for fighting off pirates) and way to desalinate
sea-water on a small scale for say, 15 people per day and yous just
signed up for an island paradise!

You do know that Belize is a mainland country, not a Caribbean island, right?

Posted by: Rod Rescueman at January 09, 2011 08:56 PM (QxGmu)

550 553

Where is the GOP to defend us?

I've watched Chris Matthews fantasize ON AIR about seeing Rush Limbaugh shot in the head....

I've seen Sandra Bernhard stating that Sarah Palin deserves to be GANG RAPED if she comes to New York....

I've seen Nobel "Peace Prize" winner Betty Williams publicly state her desire to MURDER President George W. Bush....

I've seen Craig Kilborn superimpose the words, "Snipers Wanted" over President George W. Bush's face....

I've seen trailers for the movie "Death of a President", another leftwing assassination fantasy against President Bush....

I've seen Nina Totenberg wishing death by AIDS on Senator Jesse Helms and his GRANDCHILDREN....

I've seen Julianne Malveaux wish death on Supreme Court Justice Clarence Thomas....

WHERE THE HELL IS THE GOP?

Posted by: Sam Adams at January 09, 2011 08:55 PM (GkYyh)
I'm sorry, what?

Posted by: Michael Steele at January 09, 2011 08:57 PM (x3YFz)

551 Millions of folks are and know TEA Party members, have seen and heard Sarah Palin in person and in the media, and now somehow they are expected to think Sarah Palin and TEA Party-ers drove a man to mass murder?

Only Lefties and other hopeless idiots fall for that crap. Too many folks who are on the fence, but are otherwise quite rational, will not fall for this.

How can I say that? 63 new GOP seats. The Left tried everything it could muster to destroy the TEA Party and failed.

This will backfire badly.

Posted by: eman at January 09, 2011 08:57 PM (0aJSF)

552 "McCain said nothing! All hands
assemble for circular firing squad now!"

JD Hayworth was countering the Sheriffs Bullshit last night on FOX. Too bad fucking McCain is a liberal pussy.

Posted by: Barbarian at January 09, 2011 08:57 PM (EL+OC)

553 The blogs all over the left and right are making the exact same accusations; namely, that the other side wasted no time spinning the AZ tragedy for political gain. And each side has links to back up their claims.Are they both correct? Why or why not? And how would anyone know who is right without tracking every single public comment and tracking a timeline to see who spoke first? Or is it whose comment is published first? Posted by: sock puppeh at January 09, 2011 08:48 PM (VcPAo)

I don't give a rats ass what the loony blogs say. Yesterday, Linda Lopez an arizona leftie blamed the tea party within hours of the shooting. So did some staffer for the congresswoman. Clyburn did it this morning on Fox. Ditto Durbin. Every statement from the right has been about supporting and praying for the victims. Get it? If you would like to include media and not blogs then the MFM has gone as loony left as Kos. Please provide me links to normal right blogs or media that has spun it as a communist/marxist/obama event? Esp that said that not in response to the lefty spin that it was tea party or Palin manufactured. I call bullshit.

Posted by: dagny at January 09, 2011 08:57 PM (+Z6ve)

554 They blamed the DC Sniper on us, turns out they were black men.

They blamed the University shooting in Huntsville Alabama on us, turns out it was an Obamabot who did the shooting.

They blamed the Discovery Channel shooting and hostage-taking on us, turns out it was a radical environmentalist and proponent of Population Control (a fellow traveler).

They blamed the Jewish center shooting on us, turns out it was an avowed Socialist.

They blamed the Austin IRS Kamikaze on us, turns out it was a Democrat and an Anti-Capitalist.

They blamed the throat slashing of an Muslim Cabbie in NYC on us, turns out it was a Lefty.

They blame it on us because they know it is not us, but them.

Posted by: Holger at January 09, 2011 08:57 PM (YxGud)

555 I sent a message to the office of the Governor of AZ this morning, recommending that this Pima Cty Sheriff be pulled from the case in light of his obvious political agenda, and further emails will go to my Representative in Congress. (Granted, the means for pulling an elected Sheriff off a case must be extremely limited--that's why they're elected instead of appointed--but overwhelming popular sentiment might be used to force him to recuse himself from the case.)
Maybe if everyone posting here does the same it might have some effect. If you just rant here and don't contact somebody, somewhere, in the government, you're just pissing in the wind.

Posted by: Bill_Freeto at January 09, 2011 08:58 PM (GiPg2)

556 Just keep it up my little commie Obama ass kissers. 2012 is coming fast !!!!

Posted by: Mike Hunt Hertz at January 09, 2011 08:59 PM (zVOB7)

557 Sam Adams and Holger:
+1+eleventy.
Exactly

Posted by: laceyunderalls at January 09, 2011 08:59 PM (1a8St)

558 How can I say that? 63 new GOP seats. The Left tried everything it could muster to destroy the TEA Party and failed. This will backfire badly.
Posted by: eman at January 09, 2011 08:57 PM (0aJSF) .
When someone dies, it kind of changes the tone, you know? Biiiig difference.

Posted by: Steph at January 09, 2011 09:02 PM (KqBTY)

559 don't make me stop this car BOYS

Posted by: willow at January 09, 2011 09:02 PM (h+qn8)

560 robtr: "How in the fuck does the sherriff who is in charge of the investigation get taking down the shooter wrong?What a dumbass."

If only. It's worse because he's now a political activist. All of his investigation, whatever it is, will be biased to a fault. He's blinding himself to whatever facts are before him and, perhaps worse, affecting the investigation of subordinates.

This man should not remain in charge of this investigation. I assert without hyperbole that this man cannot carry out justice and maintain the peace on this case. He may or may not be competent. He surely isn't qualified anymore to further this investigation.

Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at January 09, 2011 09:03 PM (swuwV)

561 Hell, dagney, that Lopez heifer said the shooter was an Afghan war vet with the first words out of her mouth. Just fucking made shit up. Oh, I know! Let's just blame it on a soldier. Effin scrunt.

Posted by: Steph at January 09, 2011 09:05 PM (KqBTY)

562 They blamed the DC Sniper on us, turns out they were black men.
Muslims. Don't forget that part. Islamist converts.

Posted by: dagny at January 09, 2011 09:05 PM (+Z6ve)

563 We don't need this--now or ever
My love won'twait.

Posted by: Elvis at January 09, 2011 09:06 PM (n7UUV)

564 How can I say that? 63 new GOP seats. The Left tried everything it could muster to destroy the TEA Party and failed. This will backfire badly.
I don't know. They were fairly effective in the 1990s. The whole "right wing militia" meme after Oklahoma City bombing helped the democrats marginalize everyone right of cetner.
It's that alinsky shit, of pick a target and do everything you can to destroy its credibility.

Posted by: Ben at January 09, 2011 09:06 PM (DKV43)

565 571 Yep,and they always grab the initiative.Who has to answer baseless and ridiculous charges about every fucking incident?We have to waste so much energy on nonsense.

Posted by: steevy at January 09, 2011 09:07 PM (V6aq8)

566 I think it will backfire very badly.

Who has stood up for us? Nobody. They won. Our 'leaders' are hopeless.

Posted by: Cherry π at January 09, 2011 09:07 PM (+sBB4)

567 When someone dies, it kind of changes the tone, you know? Biiiig difference.

Posted by: Steph at January 09, 2011 09:02 PM (KqBTY)


Yes, it changes the tone such that these new charges have even less chance to stick.

Posted by: eman at January 09, 2011 09:07 PM (0aJSF)

568 I dunno--I listen to the Sheriff Dupnik videos, and read the transcripts. I figure that Dupnik must a Byelorussian name that translates as "Dumber than a box of rocks."

Posted by: Comanche Voter at January 09, 2011 09:08 PM (3ESDJ)

569 #441 There is a third way (apologies to tangonline and GMan for using a Blair reference).

You say, this is no more Sarah Palin's fault for her map, than it is for Daily Kos for THEIR map, or for Obama for his "gun to a knife fight comment", or the Toronto Film festival for giving an award to the Bush assassination film, or for Alan Grayson saying Republicans want people to die quickly, etc.

You make your point, you put them on the defensive, and you do not accuse anyone. Maintaining the high ground, you defend conservatives and point the finger at the left.

That is how you do it. No one needs to accuse them. Just point out how ridiculous it would be if we did so, since obviously their comments ar just as incendiary as ours.


Posted by: Miss Marple at January 09, 2011 09:09 PM (Fo83G)

570 I don't know. They were fairly effective in the 1990s. The whole "right wing militia" meme after Oklahoma City bombing helped the democrats marginalize everyone right of cetner.

It's that alinsky shit, of pick a target and do everything you can to destroy its credibility.

Posted by: Ben at January 09, 2011 09:06 PM (DKV43)

There is something new here, something not so prevalent in the 90's. A series of tubes, you know.

Posted by: eman at January 09, 2011 09:10 PM (0aJSF)

571 473Someone let us know when this hack sheriff is up for reelection so we can money bomb his opponent regardless of party.
Posted by: CMU VET at January 09, 2011 08:28 PM (fotjt)
I looked into it earlier. Four year term. Up for reelection in 2012.
He's been reelected since forever. I don't get it.

Posted by: Wm T Sherman at January 09, 2011 09:10 PM (5YgO+)

572 Arizona Sheriff says he doesn't know whythe President of South Vietnam, Ngo Dinh Diem and hisbrother/advisor Nhuwere brutally assassinated in November 1963, but he's pretty sure it's because of Republicans.

Posted by: Count de Monet at January 09, 2011 09:11 PM (XBM1t)

573 Instapundit with a good column on the left's ghoulishness in tomorrow's WSJ.

Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at January 09, 2011 09:11 PM (GZITd)

574 Who has stood up for us? Nobody. They won. Our 'leaders' are hopeless.


Posted by: Cherry π at January 09, 2011 09:07 PM (+sBB4)
They won? Like hell. They are trying desperately to get their head back above water. We retook the house, their Agenda is dead in the water and they know this. They never expected the opposition we mustered, they were completely taken by surprise when we showed up to the townhalls and shouted. The Tea Party was a shock to them. They expected to walk in and do whatever they want.

Posted by: Holger at January 09, 2011 09:13 PM (YxGud)

575 576
#441 There is a third way (apologies to tangonline and GMan for using a Blair reference).

You
say, this is no more Sarah Palin's fault for her map, than it is for
Daily Kos for THEIR map, or for Obama for his "gun to a knife fight
comment", or the Toronto Film festival for giving an award to the Bush
assassination film, or for Alan Grayson saying Republicans want people
to die quickly, etc.

You make your point, you put them on the
defensive, and you do not accuse anyone. Maintaining the high ground,
you defend conservatives and point the finger at the left.

That
is how you do it. No one needs to accuse them. Just point out how
ridiculous it would be if we did so, since obviously their comments ar
just as incendiary as ours.




Posted by: Miss Marple at January 09, 2011 09:09 PM (Fo83G)
No apology necessary. That's exactly what we do. paint wacko extremists as wacko extremists. Stick to your values. Don't be Keith Olbermann Jr. and project every bad event on the other side.The facts, one way or the other, will emerge. Stick to the facts and be honest.

Posted by: tangonine at January 09, 2011 09:13 PM (x3YFz)

576 Has anyone figured out the shooter's voter registration, if any? I can't imagine it's R.

Posted by: USS Diversity at January 09, 2011 09:14 PM (DLxD/)

577 GMan is still welcome to come share a beer with me. I can't guarantee his safety.

Posted by: tangonine at January 09, 2011 09:14 PM (x3YFz)

578 Funneh at top of the page at jawa.mu.nu!
I'd post a link, but JawaReport crashes my browser.

Posted by: garrett at January 09, 2011 09:15 PM (n7UUV)

579 Palin crucified Jesus after years of mind control.
/

Posted by: Cherry π at January 09, 2011 09:16 PM (+sBB4)

580 581 They won? Like hell. They are trying desperately to get
their head back above water. We retook the house, their Agenda is dead
in the water and they know this....
So how do we maintain that momentum? Or is it too late?

Posted by: Miss'80sBaby at January 09, 2011 09:16 PM (RsCf8)

581 528
TexasJew!
Glad to see you back!
Posted by: Rodney King at January 09, 2011 08:46 PM (1a8St)
Thanks...
Last time I saw you, I was hitting you in the head with my flashlight!

Posted by: TexasJew at January 09, 2011 09:17 PM (u7MHs)

582 What did the MFM know about the shooter and when did they know it?

What did AZ law enforcement know about the shooter and when did they know it?

What did Democrat politicians know about the shooter and when did they know it?

Posted by: eman at January 09, 2011 09:18 PM (0aJSF)

583 The facts, one way or the other, will emerge. Stick to the facts and be honest.

This is the message template for EVERYTHING. They come unhinged when a calm recitation of facts destroys their narrative. You can see it on a daily basis now with real discussion of deficits and debt beginning.

Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at January 09, 2011 09:18 PM (GZITd)

584 If my daugher (and I do have have one almost that
poor child's age) were murdered and the killer were arrested, the last
thing I would do would beto go on a bunch of fucking interviews.
Sorry, but I find that rather strange.

Posted by: TexasJew at January 09, 2011 07:47 PM (u7MHs)

I don't know.I find the whole scene to be rather strange.I was absolutely bloodless all day yesterday until I just had to weep and wail sometime this afternoon.I can't imagine what it is, to put your mind around the senseless murder of such a precious child.Much less being the mother of such a cutie.I don't think that she believes it yet. Not really...How can she?This is just so terrible.I can't believe that Texas Jew wants to become the Emily Post of appropriate manners for when your little girl gets gunned down in a fucking parking lot!


Posted by: Deety at January 09, 2011 09:18 PM (Jb3+B)

585 But how will this all help Kim Kardashian's big fat jug ass?

Posted by: TexasJew at January 09, 2011 09:18 PM (u7MHs)

586 Meggie McCain is hiding out hoping no one finds out about "the hot, crazy sex" she had with this dude. Numerous times.

Posted by: cts22 at January 09, 2011 09:18 PM (j00BF)

587 583
Has anyone figured out the shooter's voter registration, if any? I can't imagine it's R.

The MFM will start digging into that as soon as all their reporters return from digging into Sarah Palin's trash looking for proof that Loughner was receiving telepathic messages to go on a shooting spree.

Posted by: Reiver at January 09, 2011 09:19 PM (RFTUX)

588 Posted by: USS Diversity at January 09, 2011 09:14 PM (DLxD/)

I heard he is a registered democrat.

Posted by: Holger at January 09, 2011 09:20 PM (YxGud)

589 All this hysterical hand wringing has made me want to donate a tub of Ponds to all Ace commenters.
Outrage? Your soaking in it.

Posted by: madge at January 09, 2011 09:20 PM (S5YRY)

590 593 Meggie McCain is hiding out hoping no one finds out about "the hot, crazy sex" she had with this dude. Numerous times.
Posted by: cts22 at January 09, 2011 09:18 PM (j00BF)
The day Allahpundit cried...

Posted by: TexasJew at January 09, 2011 09:20 PM (u7MHs)

591 Muslims. Don't forget that part. Islamist converts.
But the media investigated that just as much as they did the militias!
Or not at all. One of the two.

Posted by: Mama AJ at January 09, 2011 09:20 PM (XdlcF)

592 """But how will this all help Kim Kardashian's big fat jug ass?""


You know, I'm fucking sick to death with hearing about the fucking cardasians.

Posted by: Berserker at January 09, 2011 09:21 PM (gWHrG)

593 I heard he is a registered democrat.
Posted by: Holger at January 09, 2011 09:20 PM (YxGud)

A TEA Party Rethuglican wing-nut Democrat?

Posted by: eman at January 09, 2011 09:21 PM (0aJSF)

594 I heard he is a registered democrat.
But he wasn't Liberal -Liberal.

Posted by: Whoopi Goldberg at January 09, 2011 09:22 PM (n7UUV)

595
Seriously. Fuck them all.

Posted by: Rod Rescueman at January 09, 2011 08:53 PM

Well, okay, I hear you, and in general I agree. It's just that McCain did say something.

I expect that on Monday conservative commentators will be foaming, while we'll get decorum and high-mindedness from Michael Fuckin' Steele.

As for our elected Representatives, they'll be sitting in the very chamber where Giffords's empty desk stands. I can't see them getting into this ugly brawl just yet.

Posted by: arhooley at January 09, 2011 09:22 PM (Dks0L)

596 593
Meggie McCain is hiding out hoping no one finds out about "the hot, crazy sex" she had with this dude. Numerous times.

Posted by: cts22 at January 09, 2011 09:18 PM (j00BF)
Meghan McCain had sex with Sheriff Dupnik? EWWW!

Posted by: tangonine at January 09, 2011 09:22 PM (x3YFz)

597 I can't believe that Texas Jew wants to become the Emily Post of appropriate manners for when your little girl gets gunned down in a fucking parking lot!
Posted by: Deety at January 09, 2011 09:18 PM (Jb3+B)
It's on my resume.

Posted by: TexasJew at January 09, 2011 09:23 PM (u7MHs)

598 If my daugher (and I do have have one almost that poor child's age) were murdered and the killer were arrested, the last thing I would do would beto go on a bunch of fucking interviews.
Sorry, but I find that rather strangeh
I agree. Even more so, if I worked for one of the networks, I couldn't bring myself to call the father or mother and ask them for an interview while their child isn't even in the ground. I'm guessing the parents are dealing with the funeral arrangements which are hard renough to deal with even when someone dies somewhat expectedly, like an elderly parent. But I imagine it is infinitely worse when it is your child, so unexpectedley. I would be a fucking mess. There is no way I could do an interview.

Posted by: Ben at January 09, 2011 09:23 PM (DKV43)

599 who boss hog?

Posted by: willow at January 09, 2011 09:24 PM (h+qn8)

600 Loughner was frustrated with the Bush Admin. Throws another wrench into the narrative. Also discusses his "fixation" with Giffords:

That interest might have triggered Mr. Loughner’s first meeting with Ms.
Giffords in 2007. Mr. Loughner said he asked the lawmaker, “How do you
know words mean anything?” recalled Mr. Montanaro. He said Mr. Loughner
was “aggravated” when Ms. Giffords, after pausing for a couple of
seconds, “responded to him in Spanish and moved on with the meeting.”

Posted by: Miss'80sBaby at January 09, 2011 09:24 PM (RsCf8)

601 605
If my daugher (and I do have have one
almost that poor child's age) were murdered and the killer were
arrested, the last thing I would do would beto go on a bunch of fucking
interviews.
Sorry, but I find that rather strangeh
I agree. Even more so, if I worked for one
of the networks, I couldn't bring myself to call the father or mother
and ask them for an interview while their child isn't even in the
ground. I'm guessing the parents are dealing with the funeral
arrangements which are hard renough to deal with even when someone dies
somewhat expectedly, like an elderly parent. But I imagine it is
infinitely worse when it is your child, so unexpectedley. I would be a
fucking mess. There is no way I could do an interview.

Posted by: Ben at January 09, 2011 09:23 PM (DKV43)
You can't say what you'd do in a time of grief like that. I'd want to make sure my daughter's story was told, so I understand it. The woman was obviously crushed with grief, if you listened to the interview.

Posted by: tangonine at January 09, 2011 09:25 PM (x3YFz)

602 Arizona Sheriff says he doesn't know why members of the Peoples Temple murdered Congressman Leo Ryan (D) CA-11in Guyana on November 18,1978,but he's pretty sure it's because of Republicans.

Posted by: Count de Monet at January 09, 2011 09:26 PM (XBM1t)

603 People are completely unhinged over this, the left has jumped in to score some immediate political points screaming, "They should charge Palin!"

Posted by: Drew in MO at January 09, 2011 09:26 PM (ltqwL)

604 as far as the parents go, i imagine they are in a state of shock and going through motions, probably being directed by the nice journalist on the phone how it will help everyone understand why this happened, so it won't ever again....
shame on ALL the journalists . and sympathy to All the families.

Posted by: willow at January 09, 2011 09:28 PM (h+qn8)

605 Even more so, if I worked for one
of the networks, I couldn't bring myself to call the father or mother
and ask them for an interview while their child isn't even in the
ground.

That's because you have a soul. Television producers? Not a whiff.

Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at January 09, 2011 09:28 PM (GZITd)

606 People are completely unhinged over this, the left has jumped in to score some immediate political points screaming, "They should charge Palin!"
Posted by: Drew in MO at January 09, 2011 09:26 PM (ltqwL)
It's their last dying breath to take her down. They've been hoping for this for 2 years. It's like a freakin' feeding frenzy, and they smell blood in the water.

Posted by: Steph at January 09, 2011 09:29 PM (KqBTY)

607 Caesar: Et Tu, Brute?
Brutus: Palin.

Posted by: USS Diversity at January 09, 2011 09:30 PM (DLxD/)

608 THIS JUST IN-

Arizona sherrif Clarence Sputnik discovers he can't count his fucking balls and come up with the same number twice.

Posted by: Berserker at January 09, 2011 09:30 PM (gWHrG)

609 612
Even more so, if I worked for one
of the networks, I couldn't bring myself to call the father or mother
and ask them for an interview while their child isn't even in the
ground.

That's because you have a soul. Television producers? Not a whiff.


Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at January 09, 2011 09:28 PM (GZITd)
As I said, if it was my daughter, I'd want to tell her story and make sure her memory resonated as much as possible. If I lost a child and could get on any news network and share the story of her life I'd absolutely take advantage of it.

Posted by: tangonine at January 09, 2011 09:30 PM (x3YFz)

610 shame on ALL the journalists . and sympathy to All the families.
Posted by: willow at January 09, 2011 09:28 PM (h+qn
THIS +1

That's because you have a soul. Television producers? Not a whiff.Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at January 09, 2011 09:28 PM (GZITd)
Souls, conscience, values, morals, ethics. All grossly interfere with getting ratings.

Posted by: Count de Monet at January 09, 2011 09:32 PM (XBM1t)

611 There's a reason why Don Henley wrote 'Dirty Laundry' many fault channel 7, our local ?Fox affiliate, who gave the world, Rick Sanchez, but it's only slightly less lurid than the rest.

Posted by: justin cord at January 09, 2011 09:32 PM (c0+w5)

612 When you have lost a loved one it's very natural to want to talk about them, no matter how deep your grief. It was obvious in both interviews, with the mom and dad that they were devastated. They wanted to talk about their sweet daughter to anyone who would listen.

Posted by: jewells45 at January 09, 2011 09:33 PM (Z71Vg)

613 By the way, aren't Glock 19s a standard police issue sidearm in a lot of places?
Posted by: Speller
no not really a lot of depts now give officers an equipment expense account to purchase their own gun, although it's usually from a small approved list. everyone i know uses a .40 cal

Posted by: evil libertarian at January 09, 2011 09:34 PM (HfvA9)

614 I'm a Tea Partier, you dickweeds!!1111!!!!! And a registered Rethuglican!!111!!!!! The voices in my head said so!!!!1111!!!!!!

Posted by: DOCTOR Amy Fucking Bishop at January 09, 2011 09:34 PM (UOM48)

615 Stop watching the news.

It is poison.

Posted by: eman at January 09, 2011 09:35 PM (0aJSF)

616 Sarah Palin, is there any murder she isn't responsible for?

Posted by: Holger at January 09, 2011 09:35 PM (YxGud)

617 621
I'm a Tea Partier, you dickweeds!!1111!!!!! And a registered Rethuglican!!111!!!!! The voices in my head said so!!!!1111!!!!!!


Posted by: DOCTOR Amy Fucking Bishop at January 09, 2011 09:34 PM (UOM4
Hi. Troll. Welcome to hell.

Posted by: tangonine at January 09, 2011 09:35 PM (x3YFz)

618 Completely OT but, The Fight Hunger Bowl?! Really?

I imagine that just the brats sold at this game could feed Somalia for a month.

Posted by: toby928™ at January 09, 2011 09:35 PM (S5YRY)

619 Damn. That wasn't her number. It was some other AP reporter.

Posted by: CDR M at January 09, 2011 09:36 PM (5I8G0)

620 625
Completely OT but, The Fight Hunger Bowl?! Really?

I imagine that just the brats sold at this game could feed Somalia for a month.


Posted by: toby928™ at January 09, 2011 09:35 PM (S5YRY)
Well, kinda. But if you sent all those brats to somalia they'd be intercepted by islamic extremists and wouldn't actually get to the populace.

Posted by: tangonine at January 09, 2011 09:37 PM (x3YFz)

621 CDR M we,, did she have a nice voice> is she cute, did you ask her out?

Posted by: willow at January 09, 2011 09:37 PM (h+qn8)

622 Isn't it kind of strange how the left insists that Sarah Palin is responsible for the Arizona shooter, diaper rash, bad teeth, and that funky smell a sponge gets when it gets left in the sink - while simultaneously insisting that she's not smart enough to pour piss out of a boot????

Posted by: antisocialist at January 09, 2011 09:38 PM (Rwudm)

623 NBC news just gave the white-washed version of Loughner. No mention of his favorite books. If you list one of your favorite books as "The Communist Manifesto" and "Mein Kampf" - after killing 6 people - isn't that note worthy?
Isn't that a big deal?
NBC doesn’t think so. NBC did, however, bring the pathetically inaccurate and politically biased "Southern Poverty Law Center" in for a comment foranother worthless whitewash.

Posted by: Lemon Kitten at January 09, 2011 09:39 PM (0fzsA)

624 Damn. That wasn't her number. It was some other AP reporter.

They all look alike.

Posted by: toby928™ at January 09, 2011 09:39 PM (S5YRY)

625 Wait, where was Karl Rove when this happened?

Posted by: Holger at January 09, 2011 09:39 PM (YxGud)

626 i agree with eman, i can't stand watching it anymore.
it's disturbing and we are faccilitating their livelihoods.

Posted by: willow at January 09, 2011 09:39 PM (h+qn8)

627 629
Isn't it kind of strange how the left insists that Sarah Palin is
responsible for the Arizona shooter, diaper rash, bad teeth, and that
funky smell a sponge gets when it gets left in the sink - while
simultaneously insisting that she's not smart enough to pour piss out of
a boot????


Posted by: antisocialist at January 09, 2011 09:38 PM (Rwudm)
Sort of reminds you of how they accused Bush of being the mastermind of the domination of the entire global economy while at the same time arguing that he couldn't count to 10.

Posted by: tangonine at January 09, 2011 09:40 PM (x3YFz)

628 He also talked about how much he misses the America that existed when he was younger. He's in his mid 70s. So he misses things like Puerto Rican nationalists shooting 5 members of the House on the House floorEven if Dupnik missed the Puerto Rican terrorists the first time around, he had to chance to learn all about them when Holder and Clinton engineered their pardon so that Shrillary could get the hispanic vote for her first NY Senate run.

Posted by: iknowtheleft at January 09, 2011 09:40 PM (G/MYk)

629 I expect that on Monday conservative commentators will be foaming, while
we'll get decorum and high-mindedness from Michael Fuckin' Steele.As
for our elected Representatives, they'll be sitting in the very chamber
where Giffords's empty desk stands. I can't see them getting into this
ugly brawl just yet.

If not now, then never. I should just give all my campaign contributions to Rush Limbaugh and write his name in on every ballot from now on, if he's the only one in America willing to do any heavy lifting for us.

Posted by: Rod Rescueman at January 09, 2011 09:40 PM (QxGmu)

630 There's a reason why Don Henley wrote 'Dirty Laundry' many fault channel
7, our local ?Fox affiliate, who gave the world, Rick Sanchez, but it's
only slightly less lurid than the rest.

Having been part of the beast once upon a time--it is now almost completely unwatchable to me. They have no moral compass, can't or won't divine news from fluff, engage in scaremongering about remote threats while ignoring immediate and real dangers and show no intellectual curiosity beyond what's in the next segment.

At least most business, engineering and hard science schools are still somewhat objective. Communications, journalism and the liberal arts have so contaminated critical thinking and objectivity that the media as a whole is beyond redemption. My favorite exercise is to query my liberal friends with the following question: Tell me one thing Rush Limbaugh has ever been wrong about in his stated opinions. When the response includes "oxycotin" I know I have them.

Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at January 09, 2011 09:40 PM (GZITd)

631 They are also failing to mention that she is jewish. Seems like the world left are the antisemites. Oh well. If she were black THAT would be the leading story.

Posted by: dagny at January 09, 2011 09:41 PM (+Z6ve)

632 Posted by: Lemon Kitten at January 09, 2011 09:39 PM (0fzsA)

Yeah, if this guy was a Tea Party individual, why didn't he mention a book by Levin, Beck, Palin or some other Libertarian or Conservative.

But he mentions Mein Kampf and the Communist Manifesto. Those are far from Tea Party books.

Posted by: Holger at January 09, 2011 09:41 PM (YxGud)

633 i agree with eman, i can't stand watching it anymore.
it's disturbing and we are faccilitating their livelihoods.

Posted by: willow at January 09, 2011 09:39 PM (h+qn
I haven't had the news on since this happened....well, for about 2 years before that even. I'm really impressed with people here who can watch it.My blood pressure went down considerably once I turned it all off.

Posted by: Tami at January 09, 2011 09:42 PM (VuLos)

634 Arizona Sheriff says he doesn't know whylint was found in his navel (and corn in hispoop),but he's pretty sure it's because of Republicans.
jackwagon.
last one of these, waiting for ONT.

Posted by: Count de Monet at January 09, 2011 09:43 PM (XBM1t)

635 I stepped all over Drew's sarcastic use of "misses" above ... but the general point stands.

Posted by: iknowtheleft at January 09, 2011 09:43 PM (G/MYk)

636 dagny, also Gabriel Zimmerman

Posted by: willow at January 09, 2011 09:44 PM (h+qn8)

637 They are also failing to mention that she is jewish.
Seems like the world left are the antisemites. Oh well. If she were
black THAT would be the leading story.

Posted by: dagny at January 09, 2011 09:41 PM (+Z6ve)
They also fail to mention that Eric Cantor had a bullet fired into his campaign office last year, around the same time that Giffords office was vandalized.

Posted by: iknowtheleft at January 09, 2011 09:45 PM (G/MYk)

638 Ok. Off to bed. If I offended you: fuck off.

Night Monors

Posted by: tangonine at January 09, 2011 09:46 PM (x3YFz)

639 Tami, i haven't watched news sinve primaries and Joe the Plumber, unless someone here says a must see, then it is a short look. Yes i noticed rather late 2004 or so that the news media was not what i had once thought

Posted by: willow at January 09, 2011 09:47 PM (h+qn8)

640 They also fail to mention that
Eric Cantor had a bullet fired into his campaign office last year,
around the same time that Giffords office was vandalized.


Posted by: iknowtheleft at January 09, 2011 09:45 PM

Oh, they mention it all right. They say he staged it.

Posted by: arhooley at January 09, 2011 09:48 PM (Dks0L)

641 Isn't it kind of strange how the left insists that Sarah Palin is
responsible for the Arizona shooter, diaper rash, bad teeth, and that
funky smell a sponge gets when it gets left in the sink - while
simultaneously insisting that she's not smart enough to pour piss out of
a boot????

Remember George W Bush? Evil genius too dumb to eat a pretzel without choking, too dumb to tell a door was locked without (get this) TURNING THE DOORKNOB? (hyuk!) too dumb to spell the name of his book right (I saw it on CBS! It must be truthy!), and yet smart and crafty enough to demolish the World Trade Center towers to get us into two wars and leave no evidence??

Notice a pattern here?

The left's hissy fit has just started. It's gonna get a lot uglier. The problem for them is, when Katie Couric starts waving a papier-mache Cheney head on the 6 o'clock news while chanting THE WHOLE WORLD IS WATCHING a whole bunch of people who used to think she knew what she was talking about are going to have the WTF? moment. At least I hope so.

Posted by: Sort-of-Mad Max at January 09, 2011 09:48 PM (2PTT7)

642 tangonine, peaceful dreams.

Posted by: willow at January 09, 2011 09:48 PM (h+qn8)

643 the sheriff is an idiot.. (preaching to the choir here)..

But with the AZ Immigration law, for the most part, it was very obvious to law enforcement officers when they pull over an illegal alien..

Usually they will have a driver's license in one name and the car registered in another with no proof of insurance (or that yet in a third name)..

Or the guy won't be able to speak a lick of english but have the name Paul St. James on his DL or registration..

And he's insulting many of the rank and file cops that work in the state too..

Posted by: Dave C at January 09, 2011 09:49 PM (XEGGe)

644 Do you think it would be smart of Palin and co. to push back on the map thing by pointing out that those symbols are not, in fact, gun scope sights?

Posted by: Serious Cat at January 09, 2011 09:50 PM (bAySe)

645 649
tangonine, peaceful dreams.

Posted by: willow at January 09, 2011 09:48 PM (h+qn
Back for a second to say: my dreams consist of my wife, my parrots, Kate Beckinsale and Mila Jovovich and it's not always peaceful but it's always intersting

Posted by: tangonine at January 09, 2011 09:51 PM (x3YFz)

646 serious i don't know, they don't seem to care what the truth is the meme is already written for them all. they ignore kos's so it really is only a tool, we and they know it's shit.

Posted by: willow at January 09, 2011 09:53 PM (h+qn8)

647 tangonine, o-lala.
i won't email your wife , for a small fee : +)

Posted by: willow at January 09, 2011 09:54 PM (h+qn8)

648 Oh, they mention it all right. They say he staged it.

Posted by: arhooley at January 09, 2011 09:48 PM (Dks0L)
Did someone really say that?

Posted by: iknowtheleft at January 09, 2011 09:54 PM (G/MYk)

649 Posted by: Serious Cat at January 09, 2011 09:50 PM (bAySe)


She could but would that make a difference to these people?

She was their by-line the instant they were able to put pixels to the internet.

Rent free, in their heads. All the time.



Posted by: Dave C at January 09, 2011 09:54 PM (XEGGe)

650 And by this morning and by Monday at the latest, there is absolutely no telling the level of vitriol that this incident will have brought forth from the radical wing of the Democrat party and their friends in main stream media.

It is truly amazing how this tragic set of events has unleashed a political "Rorschach test" on our "unbiased" media

Posted by: Islamic Rage Boy at January 09, 2011 09:54 PM (tvs2p)

651 You know, every time something like this happens, the left doesn't wait one second before they begin dancing all over the graves of the dead and waving their body parts around to justify whatever the hell personal and political agenda they have, and if anybody objects it's all "how DARE you defend yourself!"

Every time I think the left couldn't be more anathema to me, they make it worse.

Seriously, I'm done. There's nothing they can do to be taken seriously by me as anything other than an existential (political) threat, if only through their sheer childish irrationality. And when I say "left" I mean ANYONE on this "blame everyone else" list, including the reporters and that carpet-chewing police chief.

I seriously have come to the conclusion that at least a third of ANY population is mentally ill, and there's probably nothing that can be done about it. I have run through every idea I can think of about how to cancel the insanity, and nothing even comes close to working.

The event itself is enough to make you sick, but the left's reaction is almost worse. And the right is just trying to be polite about it, you can't "just" be polite with children having a temper tantrum, and the left have been having a temper tantrum since long before I was born.

But that child is now truly out of control, and I don't know how to bring peace back to the house.

Posted by: Merovign, Bond Villain at January 09, 2011 09:55 PM (bxiXv)

652 Back for a second to say: my dreams consist of my wife, my parrots,

Yeah, man! I'm giving my Peach-Faced African Lovebird a noogie as I write this!


Posted by: Sort-of-Mad Max at January 09, 2011 09:55 PM (2PTT7)

653
All intelligent human beings get that things like drawn maps with cross hairs on them understand that the crosshairs are not metaphors for violence. They a way to focus action, money, and concentration in the same way that an actual rifle scope does. Leftest, such as Dr. Ron Chusid, a democratic shill for Obamacare, is almost giddy over the shooting of Ms. Gillfords. To him, the actual human lives lost are of little real concern. The important thing is the opportunity to smear a right-center country w/guilt by association. To him and his fellow travelers, this is anything but a tragedy -- the guy is garbage, really. He's also terrified of Palin's popularity because it's such a threat to power hungry leftest liberals.

Posted by: Christopher at January 09, 2011 09:56 PM (lUB2b)

654 651 Do you think it would be smart of Palin and co. to push back on the map thing by pointing out that those symbols are not, in fact, gun scope sights?
Posted by: Serious Cat at January 09, 2011 09:50 PM (bAySe)
No, because the Left and its willing accomplices in the mainstream media would just respond by saying that it doesn't matter what the symbols actually were, just what the shooter perceived them to be (despite their not being any evidence the shooter ever even saw the SarahPAC "targeting" map). Many on the Left simply are not intellectually honest and this incident has certainly shown that they will eschew any intellectual honestlyin anattempt to gain political advantage, even following a tragedy.

Posted by: Slappy at January 09, 2011 10:01 PM (ljvjO)

655 we must not despair, they want that.

Posted by: willow at January 09, 2011 10:03 PM (h+qn8)

656 "Neighbor: He was a quiet guy. Mostly kept to himself."
heh
I'm waiting for the day when a murderous shooter or terrorist is described by his neighbors thusly:
"He was a flaming asshole. Always trying to crash parties, mooch weed and generally make a nuisance of himself---then getting really pissed when people told him to eff off. I'm not surprised he did it."
Oh, wait!
That sounds a lot like Laughner.

Posted by: effinayright at January 09, 2011 10:04 PM (lhk1t)

657 It's to the point where I'm initially shocked about the demonizing that the left will do.. Then become numb to the fact that they will do anything to push their point across.

Complete means justify their ends. If it means that someone, someday will associate the Giffords shooting with, no matter who wrongly, with a tea party or Sarah Palin, so be it.

And, as an added bonus, if someone lunatic shoots some Republican because of some distorted sense of retribution, so much the better for them. They did their job.

Posted by: Dave C at January 09, 2011 10:04 PM (XEGGe)

658 article now up on Yahoo says Loughner was a 9/11 twoofer

what a piece of shit this guy is

Posted by: Bobo at January 09, 2011 10:05 PM (vez2r)

659 Do you think it would be smart of Palin and co. to push back on the map thing by pointing out that those symbols are not, in fact, gun scope sights?

Posted by: Serious Cat at January 09, 2011 09:50 PM (bAySe)

No, because the Left and its willing accomplices in the mainstream media would just respond by saying that it doesn't matter what the symbols actually were, just what the shooter perceived them to be (despite their not being any evidence the shooter ever even saw the SarahPAC "targeting" map). Many on the Left simply are not intellectually honest and this incident has certainly shown that they will eschew any intellectual honestly in an attempt to gain political advantage, even following a tragedy.

Posted by: Slappy at January 09, 2011 10:01 PM (ljvjO)


Palin would also be giving the MFM the chance to say "Today embattled Former GOP VP candidate Sarah Palin denied any role in the mass murder shooting in Arizona".

Posted by: eman at January 09, 2011 10:06 PM (0aJSF)

660 article now up on Yahoo says Loughner was a 9/11 twoofer

what a piece of shit this guy is


So he's in the same class as Charlie Sheen and Rosie O'Donnell then.

Posted by: Dave C at January 09, 2011 10:06 PM (XEGGe)

661 This moron Sheriff is on with Geraldo and Geraldo is trying to get him to go off the rails again. And here we go, oh yes he is off the rails.

Posted by: jaimo at January 09, 2011 10:07 PM (7DVLt)

662 Do you think this guy might have had a stalker-crush on Giffords? Is that something schizophrenics get caught up in? It seems important that he saved a 2007 letter from her office 2007 and locked it up in that safe to be found later.

Posted by: Serious Cat at January 09, 2011 10:08 PM (bAySe)

663 So he's in the same class as Charlie Sheen and Rosie O'Donnell then.
Posted by: Dave C at January 09, 2011 10:06 PM (XEGGe)
oh noooooooo, He is a republican !!!

snort

Posted by: willow at January 09, 2011 10:08 PM (h+qn8)

664 Can't someone just shut this asshole up. He's smearing Sharon Angle, and Sarah Palin in one sentence.
Geraldo is trying to get him back on the rails by telling him that he shouldn't have brought it up during the briefings.

Posted by: jaimo at January 09, 2011 10:08 PM (7DVLt)

665 310 There should be a boycott on all things FOX until Geraldo, Williams, and Shep are fired.
Posted by: Barbarian at January 09, 2011 07:06 PM (EL+OC)
Oh, great. Fire all the opposing views, and watch the left go on and on and on and on about unfair and unbalanced Faux News.
What a rallying cry: "We're just as unfair as CNN and MSNBC, only from the right!"

Posted by: effinayright at January 09, 2011 10:11 PM (lhk1t)

666 Also, any word at all from his family? I wonder if he ever got any kind of help or at least was diagnosed.

Posted by: Serious Cat at January 09, 2011 10:11 PM (bAySe)

667 672Oh, great. Fire all the opposing views, and watch the left go on and on and on and on about unfair and unbalanced Faux News.
What a rallying cry: "We're just as unfair as CNN and MSNBC, only from the right!"

Posted by: effinayright at January 09, 2011 10:11 PM (lhk1t)
Do you care what the left thinks? I do not.

Posted by: Barbarian at January 09, 2011 10:13 PM (EL+OC)

668 "Geraldo is trying to get him back on the rails"

really? cuz I saw Geraldo pushing him off the rails and into the weeds and making out with him.

Posted by: prettypinkfluffypanties at January 09, 2011 10:13 PM (cQfrc)

669 I thought I read somewhere the shooter had a beef with NASA as well. Anyone else hear/read this?

Posted by: Barbarian at January 09, 2011 10:14 PM (EL+OC)

670 At least Geraldo will occasionally invite on conservatives to tell him how truly stupid his arguments are. I appreciate that.

Posted by: Serious Cat at January 09, 2011 10:15 PM (bAySe)

671 Read the whole post, it's rather instructive. Unless you prefer name
calling and ill-informed commentary, in that case, stick with Olbermann
and the like.

Okay.

Got it.

Fuck you, Drew !

I just assumed that my issues with the Sheriff of Pima Cty. and the Board of Supervisors were kind of parochial and inside baseball stuff of no real interest to anyone outside of Southern AZ.

Well, color me schooled then!

What the fuck would I know about S.B. 1070?

I only live in Goddamn AZ!

Hate to break this to you but I've had access to Andy McCarthy's posts on a group blog way longer than April of 2010.

The magazine is called National Review.

The group blog is called "The Corner".

But I suppose that I'm just ill informed or something.

Seriously Drew M...

Just fuck off, right about now.

It's hard enough trying to maintain my home town as a "Mecca of Bigotry" all on my own.

Right now it's kind of easy. Just cross your eyes and go all slack jawed when a "scientist" from the SPLC interviews you in front of reporter. If there is a photographer present you should definately go for the rope of drool that reaches the floor.

One of these days though, either the AP or the SPLC are going to catch on and I will have no choice but to burn a cross on some lawn or lynch an innocent man just to prove my racist bone fides.


Posted by: Deety at January 09, 2011 10:16 PM (Jb3+B)

672
Loved this quote:

When he also warned that “free speech is free speech but it’s not without consequences,”

I remember countless times trying to make that point to libs about the Iraq war, telling them that their irresponsible blithering was putting our troops and Iraqi civilians at risk, and prolonging the war. But no, they kept telling me I was squelching their free speech.

But now...

Posted by: geoff at January 09, 2011 10:16 PM (OQbMn)

673 Why why Why does America s continue to support the MSM when they are so unfair to conservatives ?

Posted by: archie bunker at January 09, 2011 10:18 PM (0YS61)

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Posted by: sock puppeh at January 09, 2011 10:21 PM (VcPAo)

675 Merovign, Bond Villain@658,

The turning point for me was the Paul Wellstone (of MN) funeral and its subsequent politicization. I knew the Leftist narrative had been with us for decades, but that moment was so crass and exploitative - and so patently so - that to get political news from the MFM any further would be stupid. That was the moment for me when I knew the media had jumped the shark the highest. It was surreal.

I quit watching the MFM over a decade ago now. The bias and tabloid-ish nature made it intolerable. However, one still needs the news but the press is even more liberal than the monopoly of thought that is/was on-air media. So, one is pretty much resigned to cable news and the internet (and radio) if one prefers a less liberal or even-keeled analysis and commentary of news. The problem is that cable news operates under the assumption that most viewers have the attention span of a flea (which, sadly, might be true).

Fortunately, those other avenues have opened despite their drawbacks. The MFM will carry on like it always has. Serious people will continue to abandon it. Not all people are serious people. Not all people will continue to abandon it. So that's where we are: some proportion of the public will remain ignorant and there's not a thing anyone can do about it other than to abandon those venues and educate those in one's own circle of contacts.

Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at January 09, 2011 10:24 PM (swuwV)

676 Do you think this guy might have had a stalker-crush on Giffords? Is that something schizophrenics get caught up in? It seems important that he saved a 2007 letter from her office 2007 and locked it up in that safe to be found later.

About 15-20 years ago, another guy in Arizona had a stalker/crush on one of the news babes in Phoenix..

Jineane Ford was the news chick.

Janine Ford for NBC 12, I'm pretty sure. He would send her notes saying crap like, "Why did you wear brown today? You know I hate brown!"

So it's not out of the realm of possibility.

Posted by: Dave C at January 09, 2011 10:24 PM (XEGGe)

677 The sheriff said Tucson was the mecca of bigotry.
What he really meant was that Mecca was the mecca of bigotry.

Posted by: effinayright at January 09, 2011 10:24 PM (lhk1t)

678 Assault Weapons Ban in 3...2...1

Posted by: Barbarian at January 09, 2011 10:24 PM (EL+OC)

679 I thought I read somewhere the shooter had a beef with NASA as well. Anyone else hear/read this?

----

Interesting if true, since Gifford's husband is an astronaut. Perhaps Loughner learned about that detail and turned against NASA as a result.

Posted by: Serious Cat at January 09, 2011 10:24 PM (bAySe)

680 ""Interesting if true, since Gifford's husband is an astronaut.""


I definitely sense some Harcourt Fenton Mudd humor in there somewhere.

Posted by: Berserker at January 09, 2011 10:28 PM (gWHrG)

681 jaimo@668,

How can you tolerate Gerry Rivers?

Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at January 09, 2011 10:28 PM (swuwV)

682 It's on my resume.

Posted by: TexasJew at January 09, 2011 09:23 PM (u7MHs)

Heh.Thank you TJ!I needed that.

Posted by: Deety at January 09, 2011 10:29 PM (Jb3+B)

683 665 article now up on Yahoo says Loughner was a 9/11 twoofer I think they all suspected Loughner was a flaming moonbat and just wanted to get a meme out there before reality hit.
So, can we blame Jesse Ventura now?
Since everything seems to be the fault of former governors these days.

Posted by: AmishDude at January 09, 2011 10:30 PM (BvBKY)

684 I thought I read somewhere the shooter had a beef with NASA as well. Anyone else hear/read this?----Interesting
if true, since Gifford's husband is an astronaut. Perhaps Loughner
learned about that detail and turned against NASA as a result.

Posted by: Serious Cat at January 09, 2011 10:24 PM (bAySe)
This is from the Yahoo article:
He frequently used "if-then" constructions in making nonsensical
arguments. For instance: "If the living space is able to maintain the
crews life at a temperature of -454F then the human body is alive in the
NASA Space Shuttle. The human body isn't alive in the NASA Space
Shuttle. Thus, the living space isn't able to maintain the crews life at
a temperature of -454F."

Posted by: Tami at January 09, 2011 10:31 PM (VuLos)

685 Do you care what the left thinks? I do not.
The millions who watch Fox News do so precisely because it offers a wide range of views.
You would seek to undo the very thing that makes them the best news channel around --- simply because some commentators piss you off.
Despite what you may think, the sun does not resplendently shine from your ass, sir.

Posted by: effinayright at January 09, 2011 10:33 PM (lhk1t)

686 "If the living space is able to maintain the crews life at a temperature of -454F then the human body is alive in the NASA Space Shuttle. The human body isn't alive in the NASA Space Shuttle. Thus, the living space isn't able to maintain the crews life at a temperature of -454F."
Wow. I am interested in these ideas and would like to subscribe to a newsletter.

Posted by: Noam Chomsky at January 09, 2011 10:34 PM (BvBKY)

687 688 jaimo@668,How can you tolerate Gerry Rivers?
It's simple. Don't watch him!

Posted by: effinayright at January 09, 2011 10:34 PM (lhk1t)

688 You would seek to undo the very thing that makes them the best news channel around --- simply because some commentators piss you off.
To be fair, Shep isn't a commentator and is very unprofessional.

Posted by: Noam Chomsky at January 09, 2011 10:35 PM (BvBKY)

689 Why why Why does America s continue to support the MSM when they are so unfair to conservatives ?

Posted by: archie bunker at January 09, 2011 10:18 PM (0YS61)

Journalists regularly poll as being less popular than herpes, dunce. Americans hate the media. Google it.

Posted by: nickless at January 09, 2011 10:39 PM (MMC8r)

690 effinayright: "It's simple. Don't watch him!"

Kinda my point.

Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at January 09, 2011 10:41 PM (swuwV)

691 Isn't it kind of strange how the left insists that Sarah Palin is
responsible for the Arizona shooter, diaper rash, bad teeth, and that
funky smell a sponge gets when it gets left in the sink - while
simultaneously insisting that she's not smart enough to pour piss out of
a boot????

Well that's been pretty much par for the course for any nationally known Republican since Eisenhower, I believe.

Me?

I have long been convinced that I am a giant ignoramus.

I only joined the Republican Party to up my evil master-mind skills.

Didn't work.

I just don't enjoy kicking puppies and punching babies the way I feel that I should...

I turned out conservative instead I'm afraid.




Posted by: Deety at January 09, 2011 10:43 PM (Jb3+B)

692 Please, everyone, tone down you rhetoric like our friends on the left are asking for.

Posted by: suboptimal at January 09, 2011 11:13 PM (5hgSJ)

693 I propose a new word: "Loughnerian" - meaning liberal and out of control.

Posted by: DaMav at January 09, 2011 11:17 PM (QNU76)

694 From BoyBlue's "apology" diary up on DKos -
"I would bet my house that it will come out that some disgruntled former Jesse Kelly rightwing supporters did this. Most of you have no idea just what kind of far rightwing nut Jesse Kelly is and just how crazed, not unlike Nazis, his supporters were."
He wrote this at 10:00:47 AM PST today. I'd surely like to take that bet. It's a nonapology.

Posted by: Count de Monet at January 09, 2011 11:25 PM (XBM1t)

695 It use to be said (still is?) that the conservatives think liberals are stupid, while liberals think that conservatives are evil. Some years ago I decided that anyone with a functioning brain has a moral obligation to not be an idiot. And so I now consider liberals to be stupid to the point of being evil, as they are willfully stupid. And this episode confirms my hypothesis.

Posted by: somebody else, not me at January 09, 2011 11:49 PM (7EV/g)

696 So nice of Megyn Kelly to admit that Fox is a source of bitter vitriol and deliberate incitement.

Why else would she need to ask these questions?

How does the sheriff know Loughner watched Fox? huh?




Posted by: butters at January 09, 2011 11:49 PM (vUdSP)

697 Dupnik has used his political position to lodge false accusations against uninvolved parties in the course of a murder investigation.

If he's not on leave TOMORROW, his county is run by morons.

I'm not at all surprised at the left's ghoulishness, but every time it seems to get sicker. And more widespread.

And they never walk it back, they just want to pretend it didn't happen.

Sick of the lies.

Posted by: Merovign, Bond Villain at January 10, 2011 12:08 AM (bxiXv)

698 So we now (finally) have one incontrovertible fact about the killings.

Sheriff Dupnik is a dick.


Posted by: West at January 10, 2011 12:08 AM (GZQul)

699 Speaking of dicks about 10 minutes after the nut-balls name was released (with incorrect spelling) someone made up a bogus facebook page linking him to Sarah Palin among others. Is it to much to ask that the feds investigate and prosecute the planting of evidence?

Posted by: Anonymoose at January 10, 2011 12:31 AM (ZgvjV)

700 699
Please, everyone, tone down you rhetoric like our friends on the left are asking for...

Oh my God.. They want this. They want murder and mayhem.
Bill Ayers will get his 25 million.








Posted by: Derak at January 10, 2011 12:55 AM (CjpKH)

701 Mistrust of government was Loughner's defining conviction, the friends said. He believed the U.S. government was behind 9/11, and worried that governments were maneuvering to create a unified monetary system ("a New World Order currency" one friend said) so that social elites and bureaucrats could control the rest of the world.

OMG he is a "Troofer"

Posted by: Islamic Rage Boy at January 10, 2011 12:56 AM (tvs2p)

702 If the left wants to talk about influence on an insane mind what did he have on his iPod he reportedly always had on?

Posted by: Anonymoose at January 10, 2011 01:02 AM (ZgvjV)

703 Is it to much to ask that the feds investigate and prosecute the planting of evidence? Posted by: Anonymoose at January 10, 2011 12:31 AM (ZgvjV)
"The feds."The Department of Justice.Eric Holder.
You have to ask?

Posted by: Merovign, Bond Villain at January 10, 2011 02:16 AM (bxiXv)

704 So, when does the Greatest President ever get around to appointing the replacement for the stiff judge?

Posted by: Markos at January 10, 2011 02:20 AM (KhGTO)

705 Sheriff Dupkin (lead investigator) left the crime scene open for three hours before "securing" it. Obama sent FBI Chief Muller to oversee the investigation.

Yes, Dupkin's record is replete with refusals to enforce law.

Last year's story around Pima County outskirts of Tucson spilled the Mexican drug cartel beans from their fortresses built on high ground. They shoot US law enforcement along with anyone else wandering into their cross hairs.

Where's the National Guard protecting AZ? This isn't "just" an illegal immigrant crossing problem with ensuing crime.

Congressional knee-jerk reaction is to outlaw firearms and ammunition, never wasting a crisis to subjugate the citizenry while refusing to fulfill core Constitutional duties.


Posted by: maverick muse at January 10, 2011 06:06 AM (H+LJc)

706 Harsh rhetoric has nothing to do with this incident. This murderer is a psychopath and his actions have nothing to do with legitimate political dissent in this country. Naturally, the left is attempting to establish a connection between him and the nation's disgust for their fiscal and social policies but it will not work. This killer is an unmitigated nut and no amount of laws that restrict gun ownership or quell free speech and political dissent will preclude another incident of this type. Those that equate this act with the Tea Party, Sarah Palin and other legitimate and necessary political activists are also somewhat disturbed and potentially dangerous to a free society . . . and that includes this whack job of a Sheriff.

Posted by: rplat at January 10, 2011 06:23 AM (4vq8i)

707 Gabrielle Giffords You Tube

Strange, the page is subscribed to classsit10; lower left corner only one of two. This link takes you to the shooter's page.

Her political website links back to this page. Strange ! Not sure if someone hacked this page. Also strange , why is the shooter's page still up?


http://www.youtube.com/user/giffords2

Posted by: Neotrtosky at January 10, 2011 06:25 AM (hgeWA)

708
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This murderer is a psychopath and his actions have nothing to do with legitimate political dissent in this country.

"Yeah, but still..." --Preprogrammed Liberal Response #214

(Actually, that could sum up quite a bit of the liberal mindset.)

Posted by: Golem14 at January 10, 2011 07:51 AM (2X8VA)

709 If I were a law enforcement officer who had this happen on my watch, perpetrated by someone who the police had death threats on record from, with a gun obtained from who knows where...
I believe I would be keeping a low profile, sticking to the facts only, and busting my hump to help solve this ASAP, as opposed to tossing out Democrat talking points on TV and pointing fingers.
If his performance does not eventually lead to the loss of the job of this political hack, I'll be amazed.

Posted by: RM at January 10, 2011 07:55 AM (1kwr2)

710
720

Bob Brady (D-PA) just used that response on FOX. Sheesh...

Posted by: Golem14 at January 10, 2011 08:41 AM (2X8VA)

711 Now accounts are coming out from teachers and classmates that they thought Loughner was acting crazy for years and they thought he was likely to bring a weapon toschool.
I have a wonderful 'profiling' idea which could preventthese things.

Posted by: Beagle at January 10, 2011 09:46 AM (sOtz/)

712 Interesting that the shooter reputedly lives in a neighborhood that has houses supposedly noted for being drug storage/drop sites, and is also reputedly a heavy user, and also reputedly can't stay in school etc.

How did he afford to be high all the time?

How did he have a $20 to hand to the cabbie?

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