Dick Morris: Clinton Told Me He Had To Reappoint Janet Reno Or She Would Turn on Him Over Waco

Just said on Hannity, and Morris says it's a story he never told before.

He says Clinton did not want to reappoint Reno to a second four-year term, but felt he had to, or else she would "tell the truth about him and Waco."

Hannity questioned him about this and Morris then walked it back a bit, dropping the "tell the truth" part in favor of saying he had to reappoint her or she would "turn on him" over Waco.

He says he doesn't know what Clinton meant by that.

Posted by: Ace at 09:18 PM



Comments

1 Bill Clinton hates white people who like religion and guns?

Posted by: shibumi at April 19, 2010 09:20 PM (OKZrE)

2 That's Janet "Balls of Fire" Reno.

Posted by: JWF at April 19, 2010 09:22 PM (KAKW2)

3 I heard that. WTF? Did Billy Bob give the order to kill?

And there's the dick head out there telling everyone the "tea baggers" are going to cause another Oklahoma City. What a total douche. Actually, murdering douche.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at April 19, 2010 09:23 PM (UOM48)

4 Dick Morris is a sex pervert and can't be trusted.

Levi Johnston is a reliable source.

Posted by: Old Left Media at April 19, 2010 09:24 PM (BiCQw)

5 What could she say? Goony-goo-goo?

Posted by: nickless at April 19, 2010 09:24 PM (MMC8r)

6 He says Clinton did not want to reappoint Reno to a second four-year
term, but felt he had to, or else she would "tell the truth about him
and Waco."

Huh. I always thought it was some sort of sexual thing. Compromising video, or threats to jump him...

Posted by: HeatherRadish at April 19, 2010 09:25 PM (OkT2m)

7 That was a pretty amazing revelation by Morris.

Yowza!

Clinton had better think twice before he opens his pathetic mouth again. What a slimebag he is. Even worse than he was as President - which was pretty damn bad. I still can't believe he was ever allowed to appear again in public without pies and rotten vegetables being constantly tossed at him.

Posted by: progressoverpeace at April 19, 2010 09:25 PM (N49h9)

8 This should be good if any reporter actually tries to follow up on it.

Dick Morris is going to get "Fosterized" if he doesn't watch his trap.

Posted by: digitalbrownshirt at April 19, 2010 09:26 PM (k2Rnj)

9 Uh, technically, he didn't have to reappoint her for his second term. A president is allowed to keep all of his cabinet without new confirmation hearings. Minor point, but maybe not.

Actually, the real question is why Reno didn't resign at the end of the first term, when the Clinton White House made a fool of her. When she was doing the preliminary investigation to determine whether to seek appointment of an independent counsel for the Buddhist monastery fundraising scandal, the WH waited till after she had announced there was insufficient evidence before it release incriminating videos.

Posted by: Attila (Pillage Idiot) at April 19, 2010 09:27 PM (nvY6z)

10 Dick Morris is looking more like a weasel than normal. I wonder when he'll go back to the lefties.

I don't trust the man, especially when he's saying things that help the right.

Posted by: cranky-d at April 19, 2010 09:28 PM (YVzX6)

11 I can haz some Red Bull to keep with this place today??

Posted by: laceyunderalls at April 19, 2010 09:31 PM (RGMMA)

12 lacey, try a little Red Bull or Five Hour Energy in your Pinot Grigio.

(Heh. Tell me how that went. I'm going to bed shortly for my trip out to get D'oh Boy.)

Posted by: Jane D'oh at April 19, 2010 09:32 PM (UOM48)

13 Bill will probably counter that he has pics of Janet in a threesome with Hillary and a goat.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at April 19, 2010 09:33 PM (UOM48)

14 I'd like to believe there's something to this but why wouldn't Reno have let it out after they left office?

She wrote a book, seems this type of info might have given it a goose in sales.


Posted by: DrewM. at April 19, 2010 09:34 PM (9B5OK)

15 12Have a safe trip! I know you're going to enjoy those few days in the car!!

Posted by: laceyunderalls at April 19, 2010 09:35 PM (RGMMA)

16 Lacey, thanks! Yeah, the lil' 'tard and I will have some funs together.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at April 19, 2010 09:36 PM (UOM48)

17 13
Bill will probably counter that he has pics of Janet in a threesome with Hillary and a goat.


Posted by: Jane D'oh

I was going to say that I just threw up a little in my mouth, but then I looked at the floor and it was covered. Ewwwww.

Posted by: MrCaniac at April 19, 2010 09:36 PM (Vol3D)

18 14 Maybe she had an aversion to Fosterization?

Posted by: unknown jane at April 19, 2010 09:38 PM (5/yRG)

19 Safe trip, Jane, and tell D'oh Boy all the Morons say "hi" and we're glad he's getting to come home on a break!

Posted by: RushBabe at April 19, 2010 09:38 PM (LKkE8)

20 And have a safe trip Jane D. -- have fun too.

Posted by: unknown jane at April 19, 2010 09:40 PM (5/yRG)

21 Dick Morris is not to be trusted. He went from being the guy who gave Clinton the idea of how to spin Oklahoma City to political advantage, to being the guy that supposedly 'unmasks' both Bill and Hillary. I don't trust/believe him and farther than I could throw the pudgy little fuck.

Posted by: Jones at April 19, 2010 09:40 PM (JL3qV)

22 Of course, Rush came out with both barrels blasting today. He started the show with, "You wanna talk anniversaries, Mr. President? Let's talk about the anniversary of Waco."
Heh, heh, heh.

Posted by: RushBabe at April 19, 2010 09:40 PM (LKkE8)

23 I know it's O/T, but my shallow side is wondering about Chelsea's wedding this summer(?). Didn't the groom's dad serve time in the Big House?

Sorry for the o/t. Talk amongst yourselves.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at April 19, 2010 09:40 PM (UOM48)

24 Ya gotta love how Hannity goes out of his way to not drop Beck's name. "People like me, Rush Limbaugh, Sarah Palin, Mark Levin, Neal Boortz, Hugh Hewitt, Bill Bennett, Laura Ingraham, Michael Medved, Tammy Bruce, and basically anyone on Fox..."

Posted by: Blackford Oakes at April 19, 2010 09:42 PM (BiCQw)

25 Byron York made Morris look like a fool yesterday with his post in the Examiner.
He broke down how Morris Clinton used the Oklahoma City bombing as cover for a craptastically viewed administration. How they tried to link McVeigh to Gingrich.
Seriously sick shit. But it's yet another great piece by York. I suggest a read on this one.

Posted by: laceyunderalls at April 19, 2010 09:42 PM (RGMMA)

26 Hey morons/ettes. D'oh Boy is well aware of my pals and support system here. I'll let him do the talkin' on the trip (and boy, is that hard for me).

I cleaned the cat puke out of his carpet this afternoon. He does love his kittehs, but he and his dad are blind to kitteh pukes. I suppose I serve some purpose.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at April 19, 2010 09:44 PM (UOM48)

27 Amazingly, Bill threatened to turn Janet over so he could get the gumption to bang her.

Posted by: Wyatt Earp at April 19, 2010 09:44 PM (zgZzy)

28 I believe Morris wanted the info to come out (as a slip of the tongue) but since he has no proof, he couldn't put it in one of his books. I wouldn't put it past Clinton to have ordered the "kill".

Posted by: incognito at April 19, 2010 09:45 PM (u6X4c)

29 LOL. I was waiting to hear what Dick Morris had to say about Clinton after this Mcveigh-warning accusations by Clinton recently. From what I remember Dick can't stand the Clintons now. This should get very interesting.
Bill really should have kept his mouth shut and not accuse people of things.

Posted by: johnc_recent_EX-democrat at April 19, 2010 09:45 PM (ACkhT)

30 Here's an interesting question. What would the media's reaction have been if Bush incinerated a peacenik commune on trumped up drug charges?

Posted by: 18-1 at April 19, 2010 09:46 PM (bgcml)

31 yeah I agree with the others - Morris is an opportunistic slimeball - he knows what way the wind is blowing and he's trying to hop on board

Posted by: chemjeff at April 19, 2010 09:47 PM (Gk/wA)

32 I can't stand Dick Morris, however he's come out with insight and info on the Clintonistas that's interesting. Still.....

And Hannity? Gag. One of his True Believers was on the radio the other day (I was in my car...sue me) and BEGGING him to run for office. I nearly ran into a tree.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at April 19, 2010 09:48 PM (UOM48)

33 Dick can't stand the Clintons now. This should get
very interesting.
Bill really should have kept his mouth shut and not accuse people of
things.

Posted by: johnc_recent_EX-democrat at April 19, 2010 09:45 PM (ACkhT)
Well, Clinton fired Morris because of his sexual indiscretions, at about the same time he was having sex with any woman he could get his hands on, including his subordinates. I think that might make a bit mad where I Morris.

Posted by: 18-1 at April 19, 2010 09:48 PM (bgcml)

34 Dick Morris. His first name says it all.

Posted by: Joan of Argghh! at April 19, 2010 09:49 PM (pALT8)

35 How they tried to link McVeigh to Gingrich.


Posted by: laceyunderalls at April 19, 2010 09:42 PM (RGMMA)Yeah, I've noticed some conservatives trying to give the benefit of the doubt to the Clintons of late. They do not deserve it.
Clinton campaigned on a lie, spent two years trying to pull an Obama and failing, and then the next 6 years demonizing everyone who got in his way. Oh, and using the FBI and IRS to go after them. You know, the stuff that supposedly got Nixon impeached.

Posted by: 18-1 at April 19, 2010 09:53 PM (bgcml)

36 I know it's O/T, but my shallow side is wondering about Chelsea's wedding this summer(?). Didn't the groom's dad serve time in the Big House?

Ed Mezvinsky, Father of Marc Mezvinsky, Pioneered Nigerian Money Scam

Groom's mother's a piece, too.


Grandparents like those, Chelsea and Marc should consider adoption.

Posted by: HeatherRadish at April 19, 2010 09:53 PM (OkT2m)

37 Morris is an opportunistic bottom feeder, true -- but even opportunistic bottom feeders let things slip. Clinton should have kept his mouth shut -- but maybe there's a reason why he didn't.
I can completely believe Clinton would not have had much qualms with ordering or at least signing off on what happened at Waco. He's not the jovial, slick, endearing philanderer that many people think he is -- in fact, he's pretty much a fellow traveler with Pelosi and company, imho.

Posted by: unknown jane at April 19, 2010 09:54 PM (5/yRG)

38 Didn't the groom's dad serve time in the Big House?

I don't know, but the bride's father did serve18 months on mail fraud and tax evasion charges.

Posted by: Breaker19 at April 19, 2010 09:55 PM (+gGCi)

39 Ya gotta love how Hannity goes out of his way to not
drop Beck's name.

Posted by: Blackford Oakes at April 19, 2010 09:42 PM (BiCQw)
Meh. Hannity does a great job. Beck does a great job. They don't beat up on each other. Works for me.I just wish someone would replace O'Reilly.

Posted by: progressoverpeace at April 19, 2010 09:56 PM (N49h9)

40 Anyone see that piece of shit Bob Beckel on Hannity's show tonight? That son of bitch has gotten so big he's got moons orbiting around him.

Posted by: TheQuietMan at April 19, 2010 09:58 PM (w7EqW)

41 I've heard it was actually Hillary who ordered the attack on Waco because the continuous press coverage was stepping on her health-care 'reform' message.

Posted by: Breaker19 at April 19, 2010 10:01 PM (+gGCi)

42 Dana Perino you hot little thing, I love it when you rail on the Obama administration.

Posted by: robtr at April 19, 2010 10:02 PM (fwSHf)

43 Remember this?

President Clinton, on the very day of the fire, said "The U.S. government is not to blame. If a bunch of religious fanatics decide to kill themselves, what can we do?" Then when he was further questioned he said, "Well, there was child abuse. We all know that he had sex with minors, don't we?" (link: http://bit.ly/9Hzi5n)

I've never forgotten that first, callous reaction from Clinton. It disgusted me then, and still does.

Posted by: sulla at April 19, 2010 10:04 PM (Y4/VY)

44 WTF? Did Billy Bob give the order to kill?

Of course he did. Do you recall Janet going overboard claiming the buck stopped with her over and over? Clinton never said a word. Neither of the Clintons will ever take responsibility for anything.

Posted by: Guy Fawkes at April 19, 2010 10:04 PM (7VvJB)

45 42
Anyone see that piece of shit Bob Beckel on Hannity's show tonight? That
son of bitch has gotten so big he's got moons orbiting around him.

Isn't Beckel the poster slob for Michelle Obama's 'Let's Move, Fat Boy' campaign?

Posted by: Breaker19 at April 19, 2010 10:06 PM (+gGCi)

46 Morris is smart, but #4 is right he is a fucking nutty Joo sex pervert. Not sure what to believe about his stick.

He DOES know where the shit is hidden.

I think sometimes he remembers Vince and pulls back.

Shit, he wouldn't want to have to kill himselfs.

Or take a lot of aspirin.

Posted by: Kemp at April 19, 2010 10:06 PM (2+9Yx)

47 I remember this. Back in the day before blogs, there was a site sponsored by CNN called AllPolitics, and the Freepers were just getting started. The story went viral within weeks of Clinton's reelection in 1996 (viral back then meant hundreds of people talked about it).

The story was that Clinton gave the order to breach the walls, over the objections of William Sessions, then FBI Director. Reno allegedly supported Sessions' assessment, but acquiesced to the Commander in Chief.

The Armored Combat Excavator (ACE) operators followed the orders of the Agent-in-Charge, and breached the walls of the compound.

The Freepers went apeshit over what they thought was a violation of the Posse Comitatus Act of 1878, which prevents most use of active duty troops in law enforcement. Those ACE's were army combat engineer hardware.

Posted by: GulfCoastTider at April 19, 2010 10:11 PM (bv1hq)

48 Beckel was an idiot tonight and looks to be 350 lbs.

There is only so much weight in the world, to keep it orbiting correctly it must even out.

Just saying, Rush loses 200 lbs and Beckel gains 200?

God works in funny ways!

Fuck the old liberal idiot. Maybe he was drunk but he was stupid enough to bring up the finance bill, unfortunately Hanney never picked up on the softball.

Posted by: Kemp at April 19, 2010 10:12 PM (2+9Yx)

49 I think we are all about to get Reno'd!

Posted by: Lets coin a new term at April 19, 2010 10:15 PM (JfhXO)

50 I seem to recall our current AG having his hand in the whole Clinton-Waco-Reno mess cover up ....

Posted by: incognito at April 19, 2010 10:16 PM (u6X4c)

51 Just saying, Rush loses 200 lbs and Beckel gains 200?

Have you seen Olby lately?

Posted by: Blackford Oakes at April 19, 2010 10:16 PM (BiCQw)

52 Why would anyone want to look at Keef?

Posted by: JorgXMcKie at April 19, 2010 10:19 PM (290l2)

53 "Dance Party Takes Away Waco"

Damn it! Someone had to say it

Posted by: Potty Mouth at April 19, 2010 10:19 PM (Glxw+)

54 Posted by: sulla at April 19, 2010 10:04 PM (Y4/VY)
omg! is this for real? I cannot believe I defended this man reputation all these years. wth! I cannot believe I believed the MSM about him all these years. I wonder what other crap he did was covered up.

Posted by: johnc_recent_EX-democrat at April 19, 2010 10:20 PM (ACkhT)

55 Have you seen Olby lately?

No, but I've heard he's on a diet of soap and rubber duckies. Not helping, huh?

Posted by: Breaker19 at April 19, 2010 10:20 PM (+gGCi)

56 Actually, the real question is why Reno didn't resign at the end of the
first term b/c she enjoyed being a piggy on the public trough is my best guess

Posted by: Potty Mouth at April 19, 2010 10:21 PM (Glxw+)

57 Bill will probably counter that he has pics of Janet in a threesome with Hillary and a goat.

I'm the good looking one in the middle.

Posted by: Goat at April 19, 2010 10:25 PM (N1Xjx)

58 Janet Reno has kept her mouth shut. You'd think she could drop enough dirt on the Clintons that if she even had a head cold afterwards it would come back on Bill and Hillary.

I don't trust Morris, but I trust him to look out for his own best interest and really to hate the Clintons. They used him and used him and then shit on him. Revenge is a powerful motivation.

Posted by: SGT Dan at April 19, 2010 10:27 PM (L0IJJ)

59 14 I'd like to believe there's something to this but why wouldn't Reno have let it out after they left office?She wrote a book, seems this type of info might have given it a goose in sales.
Posted by: DrewM. at April 19, 2010 09:34 PM (9B5OK)
Well eh, let's face the fact it was probably a liberal publisher putting it out. Probably thinking everything written in it was solid gold already. Its not like it was a former Bush administration member trying to get a book out and getting the wink wink that they need something controversial to be said to sell it.

Posted by: buzzion at April 19, 2010 10:29 PM (oVQFe)

60 is dick morris a republican? so the reason he loathes the clintons is b/c they fired him b/c of his affairs? is this correct?

Posted by: johnc_recent_EX-democrat at April 19, 2010 10:31 PM (ACkhT)

61 13
Bill will probably counter that he has pics of Janet in a threesome with
Hillary and a goat.


Posted by: Jane D'oh at April 19, 2010 09:33 PM (UOM4

poor goat

Posted by: Unclefacts, AoSHQ Professional Debate Team at April 19, 2010 10:31 PM (erIg9)

62 Dick Morris is not to be trusted but sometimesthe point he wants to pushand the truth intersect.I remember assuming this at the time. Maybe we can get Janet Reno to flip now over their shabby treatment of Elena Kagan.

Posted by: motionview at April 19, 2010 10:38 PM (cd0KB)

63
is dick morris a republican? so the reason he loathes the clintons is
b/c they fired him b/c of his affairs? is this correct?

Posted by: johnc_recent_EX-democrat at April 19, 2010 10:31 PM (ACkhT)
No and pretty much.

Posted by: 18-1 at April 19, 2010 10:40 PM (bgcml)

64 What a lying cowardly turd Clinton was (and remains). I still cannot understand the fondness even many conservatives held for the man. A more meretricious, vain, and self-involved man never strode the earth until Obama ascended to the Throne of Heaven. Women still swoon for the guy; me own mum, God rest her, thought he was "cute".

But it is Janet Reno whom I hate with the burning passion of a thousand exploding suns. Were it in my power she would be rotting in a Federal jail this very day, never again to see the sun. She's got the blood of innocents on her hands. Our justice system failed, but I take comfort in the fact that God will judge her far more harshly than any mere mortal ever would or could. She will burn in hell forever for what she allowed to happen -- what she urged to happen -- that day in Waco.

Posted by: Monty at April 19, 2010 10:40 PM (O3eFQ)

65 Clinton and Tim McVeigh are two peas in a pod. It's just that McVeigh has a slightly higher body count than Lil Willy, so that is why Clinton is trying to deflect with the Tea Party-domestic terrorists ruse. Some of us remember all the women and little kids Clinton and Reno roasted in Waco even if the MSM don't.

Posted by: hughie at April 19, 2010 10:52 PM (KAa2W)

66 Far better than that was the Bernie Goldberg response to Jon Stewart (O'Reilly). He started out slow and the KAPOW!!!
Really, really good t.v.

Posted by: jmflynny at April 19, 2010 10:55 PM (uyljC)

67 poor goat

Can you say Satan?

Posted by: Tattoo De Plane at April 19, 2010 11:03 PM (mHQ7T)

68 cranky-d at 10:

Wasn't it Thomas Mann who said You can never go home?

Incidentally, when Gertrude Stein said in Oakland There's no there, there. she was simply referring to the boarding school she attended as a youth having been torn down.

Not incidentally at all, the Dems wouldn't take him back, and couldn't afford his leather goods demands anyway. On the other hand, Steele has an RNC logo'd credit card with a specially pre-approved high ceiling complete with ceiling mirrors limit for just that type of stuff ... unless, in accordance with a little-noted p.s. to the Articles to Confederation inserted to ensure South Carolina bought it, it's on reserve to the senior Senator.

Posted by: Shooter at April 19, 2010 11:03 PM (zfRju)

69 Waco?

Best $0.50 I have ever spent in taxes - circuses baby!

Posted by: Druid at April 19, 2010 11:03 PM (Oe01r)

70 As much as I want to believe this is true I don't trust Dick Morris. It would be nice to get this from another source as well.

Posted by: Ace's liver at April 19, 2010 11:06 PM (XIXhw)

71 72 It would be nice to get this from another source as well.

yeah, but is it really a stretch to think that bent willy would purposely incinerate a buncha religious whackjobs to further his militia meme?

Posted by: bebe's boobs destroy at April 19, 2010 11:11 PM (Fl7qD)

72 AS I reall it, the whole thing had gotten out of hand when Reno finally was confirmed and sworn in as AG. Just in time for her to take the fall on the best advice of the people in the field.
The whole thing is one of the most under-reported attrocious excesses of Federal Law Enforcement to ever happen in this country. The FBI, DEA, Janet Reno and Bill Clinton should all fry for this.
Not to mention the utter mis-handling of the situation in Somalia in the fall of 1993 that resulted in those guys in Delta Force /Rangers getting killed (and taking about 300 or 400 Somalis with them). I thnk the father of Randy Shugard in particular voiced his utter contempt of Clinton, then promptly disappeared from the news. What a frakkin' disaster.
Clinton is quite frankly a terrible human being. And I don't say that figuratively, either. He is a loathsome, disgusting liar, and the Media has been is enabler for almost 20 years. This is the benediction that OBama will get, even if he is voted out of office in 2012. His stupidity and arrogance will likely get parts of Israel fried, but for a generation he will be venerated by the Media. Puke.
Dick Morris in some ways has tried to make some amends, but he is still a schmuck, and totally untrustworthy.

Posted by: Reader CJ Burch says.. at April 19, 2010 11:31 PM (sJTmU)

73 Heh,

another source

Just to add intertube rumor - heard years ago from a SOF operator (possible SOTF) that they were called in for some "cross-training" with ATF/FBI... "How would you handle this?" with a nice sand-map of Waco... Recognizing it they said FU and left...

Hilarity ensues...

Posted by: Druid at April 19, 2010 11:37 PM (Oe01r)

74 Cross-Post from the Conyers thread...

Police State / Martial Law ?

Back in the bad old 'Shrub years a
paper was published on how adaptive
police forces in various countries were in transitioning to a police
state - the police function is to arrest lawbreakers, however petty or
obtuse the law is, however dangerous or benign the lawbreaker, based
solely upon the priority placed on which
offensive acts are to be focused upon by the leaders of society.

Martial
law can only go so far, as soldiers are trained for combat against
armed belligerents in the protection of their own people (contrast the
police function). When used in offense against their own it can only go
so far as they are reluctant to disperse crowds with howitzer fire...
the police not so much, if so equipped, and if it is deemed reasonable
force.

When SHTF in Russia, their army refused to fire on their
own, same in Manila with Marcos, and probably dozens of Roman Emperors
fell to their Generals knives, and others... Bonna Fide civil wars are
few and far between..

We are already manning up LEOs, by
thousands, to pick out the insubordinate outliers.... when they finally
get down to midnight SWAT raids on the guys with too many outstanding
parking tickets (who could have paid, but did not) there ain't gonna be a
lot of people feeling sorry for your antisocial ways.

Posted by: Druid at April 19, 2010 11:40 PM (Oe01r)

75 Err, sorry, but I am reluctant to accept the word of a man who has it in for the Clintons and in a bad way.

His electoral maps are wacky, his predictions are mostly off. For goodness' sakes - he had John McCain possibly winning the election of '08!


Posted by: Intrepid at April 19, 2010 11:55 PM (92zkk)

76 Everyone knows flash bangs aren't grenades and can't kill anyone. And everyone knows President Clinton didn't have anything to do with WACO.

Posted by: Flashbang Schumer at April 19, 2010 11:56 PM (QoZdT)

77 His electoral maps are wacky, his predictions
are mostly off. For goodness' sakes - he had John McCain possibly
winning the election of '08!

Posted by: Intrepid at April 19, 2010 11:55 PM (92zkk)
Morris had the health scare insanity pegged perfectly from way back when - though he was surprised, as everyone but a very few were, that it kept being revived after it was "clearly dead". I never had any doubts about Morris' sincerity in most of the interviews I've seen him in, and they have been numerous. He was very upfront with Hannity about where he's coming from. He calls himself a conservative Democrat and says that his kind is now extinct, so he's a Republican. And he has been very good at keeping a focus on some of the more fundamental issues. When many people were still raving about The Precedent, Morris was warning - as many of us had been.I understand that he has a weird past, to say the least, but just looking at the content of what he's been delivering over the past couple of years, at least, it's been a major contribution. I don't know what really happened between him and the Clintons, but it soured him on them in a big way and he has not been vindictive in his attacks on them, but substantive.I don't see any reason to doubt his account of Waco - or the odd circumstances in the Executive branch about that - since Bill Clinton would probably go right after him if it were a lie. You'll be able to tell how close to something sensitive Morris is by Clinton's reaction tomorrow ... or lack, thereof. Clearly, there were many mistakes with the whole Waco disaster. Could you imagine the reaction if some of our soldiers had done the same thing in Iraq or Afghanistan and it was caught on video? I would love to hear that hypothetical addressed to the dems and leftist turds.

Posted by: progressoverpeace at April 20, 2010 12:50 AM (N49h9)

78 I think many of you have to get over your Dick Morris paranoia. He was a GOP consultant for most notably Trent Lott before working with the Clintons' and he has been publicly against the the lefts tactics and agenda for over 10 years. You don't have to like the man, but the trust issue is overwrought. He's not a male Arrianna in other words.

Posted by: Topsecretk9 at April 20, 2010 01:17 AM (8x3SC)

79 Most people didn't pay attention at the time and to this day don't know how or why Waco went down. It was an outrage that our Federal Government murdered its own citizens and got away with it. Of course the news media gave the government's view of the event, what else is new? The hearings in Washington, D.C. gave some insight into what really happened but for the most part were swept under the rug. The fact that the media covered for Clinton should not surprise anyone. That kind ofass-kissing did not start with Obama. The "bitter clingers of their guns and bibles" did not start with Obama. This kind of crap has been around forsome time. Most people here know not to take the media at its word. We know how they slant stories and tell half-truths. It's best to get the truth yourself. Listen to the ones thatthose with power try to shout down. Or you can go on listening to the great powerful OZ and pay no attention to the man behind the curtain. Would Dan Rather lie to you?

Posted by: Case at April 20, 2010 02:06 AM (0K+Kw)

80 Think of Waco being an assault on a hippie camp with all the drug use and such, and how would that be reported?

Posted by: Hous Bin Pharteen at April 20, 2010 02:20 AM (pU4D7)

81 Um, no. The Attorney General isn't appointed for four-year terms. They're confirmed and that's it until they resign or a new president is elected. Once confirmed, she could stay until fired by Clinton or she resigned.

Posted by: Ernst Blofeld at April 20, 2010 02:26 AM (IQt7W)

82 Kenneth Anderson, over at Volokh, has an interesting post up. He pastes this section from a book, Reavis, The Ashes of Waco that he says he reviewed for a Times supplement in 1995:


[T]here is the post hoc justification for the use of CS tear-gas in the raid offered by the US Justice Department and senior Clinton administration officials. The public generally, and even the Congressional hearings, seem to have accepted that the children at Waco were gassed and then died as, in effect, collateral damage in the course of a raid aimed at their parents.
This is not quite the case, however, by the Clinton administrations own admissions. CS gas was used at the compound, in order, as senior White House adviser George Stephanopoulos said, echoing senior Justice Department statements, to try and pressure those in the compound. It was hoped, he said, that as this pressure was increased, the maternal instincts of the mothers might take over and they might try to leave with their kids (Washington Times, April 23, 1995).
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Thing is, they have to pay for resulting maintenance and repairs. Unless it's a drug thing, in which case, they don't. The military eats the fix-up costs. So...everything is drugs.

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That they have enticed Clinton to come out and paint people as violent activists hardly is surprising if you understand his AND Hillery's political history.

They are masters of shifting arguments and painting their opposition as the complete opposite of what they are.

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