Union Refuses to Fire Goon Who Printed Christie Death-Wish Prayer

Do as we say, not as we do:

The president of a state teachers union left a meeting Monday with Gov. Chris Christie after refusing to fire a local president who wrote a memo that joked about the governor's death, further escalating a rift that began before Christie's election.

Christie spokesman Mike Drewniak said the governor wants Bergen County teachers union head Joe Coppola fired for his "irresponsible" memo. The memo from the Bergen County Education Association to its locals included a closing prayer that read:

"Dear Lord this year you have taken away my favorite actor, Patrick Swayze, my favorite actress, Farrah Fawcett, my favorite singer, Michael Jackson, and my favorite salesman, Billy Mays. I just wanted to let you know that Chris Christie is my favorite governor."

Coppola and New Jersey Education Association President Barbara Keshishian have apologized for the memo. Coppola has said the "prayer" was a joke and was never meant to be made public.

Keshishian left her first face-to-face meeting with the governor after 15 minutes Monday afternoon when she refused to fire Coppola.

"Barbara does not have the authority to fire him," New Jersey Education Association spokesman Steve Baker said. "She doesn't intend to ask for his resignation. He has made an apology to the governor; it is a sincere apology. She considers that to be the end of that issue."

Claiming something is a "joke" is the all-purpose escape for anyone who's said something offensive, hateful, or irresponsible. When people claim they were "just joking," they intend to convey the message "I certainly never meant to say anything of a sort."

That is usually a lie. There are ironic jokes like Sean Hannity's reference to "racist teabaggers" -- in that case, he really didn't mean anything of the sort; his intent was to parody liberals' stereotypes of Tea Partiers.

But most jokes are not ironical. Most jokes do not have the intent, as Hannity's did, of suggesting the absolute opposite expression than the literal, surface meaning of the words.

Most jokes intend to say precisely what they say -- they are, as no lesser light than (groan) Senator Al Franken called them, examples of "kidding on the square" -- yeah, you're kidding, in that you're expressing your views humorously, but you're doing so "on the square" -- that is, honestly. It's what you really mean.

Joking is a time-honored method of expressing forbidden/taboo/socially-disapproved thought through a more socially-acceptable manner of expression.

This is news to anyone? No, it's not. Everyone knows this. And everyone knows that in political humor especially, 95% of what is stated as a "joke" is kidding on the square and not ironical at all.

Yeah, if I call Obama "Captain Wonderful" I'm being ironic and I mean the opposite. But if I call him "The Jugeared Jackass," yeah, I'm quote-unquote "joking," but obviously I mean it, or at the very least I mean something very close to that. Maybe I've overstated something for comic effect, but an overstatement is still meant seriously on some level, isn't it?

So why is it that these idiots on the left continue claiming "it was just a joke" as if it's an all-purpose defense against criticizing their words?

A few days ago the Mudville Gazette suggested we ID some of the less-reputable guys showing up at Tea Party rallies to vent their crazy and damage (inadvertently) their cause. One guy brandished this sign...

Now, if that jackass got called out on his sign, I'm sure he'd say "It's just a joke."

But it's not just a joke, is it? Would any liberal buy the "just a joke" defense in that situation? No, they wouldn't. In fact, I don't buy it myself. He might, if ID'd and called upon to defend his pro-violence message, claim it was just a joke, but by a "joke," he means only a little bit of overstatement.

Overstatement doesn't mean one doesn't mean what they're saying. Overstatement means only one has exaggerated, for comic effect or shock value, what one actually believes, what one actually wishes, and what one actually intends to communicate.

And so it is with this union thug as well.

During the Bush years, I grew extremely agitated at the intemperate rhetoric against Bush and the clear expressions on the left of a desire to assassinate him. The desire on the left that Bush should be assassinated wasn't the thing I was worried about, per se -- if attention-getting histrionic idiots want to shout out death wishes against the president like some old pathetic gypsy hag who has no power except to spit venom, so what? It exposes them for the ineffectual, hysterical weaklings they are.

No, the danger there was secondary-- that they were communicating to all unbalanced individuals with a rifle that the assassination of George W. Bush would be viewed as a heroic deed among the cohort that matters to such a would-be killer. That a loser in a basement with a decent rifle and nothing left to lose could go from zero to hero -- at least with one largish segment of the population -- by taking a single shot.

And that such hateful rhetoric thus increased the chances that Bush would be shot and killed.

Which was, actually, the intent of such rhetoric. A lot of girlishly-excitable lefties were in fact attempting to psych up the would-be killers in their ranks to do what they themselves were too afraid to do.

Ten years after such hate and incitements-to-assassination were directed on a daily basis at President George W. Bush, the media has finally decided to start calling out such rhetoric as dangerous... just in time to protect the president they elected, Barack Obama.

I don't want this rhetoric directed at Obama, either. I certainly don't want any harm to come to the man, apart from the humiliation and ignominy of being voted out of office by 40 states in 2012.

And yet it angers me that the media only cares about the physical safety of a political leader when he's a liberal Democrat.

They're not covering the Christie thing at all, for example. Just a "joke," it seems. A joke communicated to union guys -- who have no history of violence, after all! -- against a governor who is pretty ruthlessly (but necessarily) cutting their compensation. No chance of incitement there, I guess!

It seems to me common-sense (common-sense, though not necessarily accurate) that the risk of assassination becomes acute when a leader is viewed as singularly capable. By which I mean: If this particular politician seems to be almost unique in having the the desire to drive a controversial policy into action, and he seems further more unique in having the political guts and political skills to be effective at doing so, he becomes especially endangered as regards would-be assassins, because an assassin might think that if this one person were eliminated, they'd succeed in having their political ambitions advanced.

By which I mean: A Mitch McConnell seems to me in far less danger of being assassinated than a Newt Gingrich, because a Mitch McConnell will likely just be replaced with another Mitch McConnell, whereas a Newt Gingrich -- the 1992-94 model, I mean -- seems irreplaceable.

So by that sort of thinking, the media is right to afford Barack Obama a special level of protection, a special level of vigilance in calling out and castigating overly-heated, violent rhetoric.

But, on the other hand, so was George W. Bush.

And so, in fact, is Chris Christie, who seems to me (observing from a distance) to be the first guy elected in New Jersey not only willing to take on the unions, but who has unexpectedly become popular in taking these usually-unpopular measures. A hyperpartisan laid-off union thug with a gun might well think that if only someone would remove this troublesome governor from the equation, the unions could get back to business as usual and directing state government.

And yet the media continues to only be concerned with death-rhetoric when it's directed at their Bonny Prince Barack. I guess if Bush were killed, or Governor Chris Christie, it wouldn't be so bad, in the media's eyes. I guess some people's violent deaths are acceptable collateral damage in rhetorical wars.

It incenses me to nearly-physical anger that the media continues deciding for the country which political leaders are worth protecting against assassination, and which others are expendable.

Posted by: Ace at 07:21 PM



Comments

1 I spit on the union label.

Posted by: Barbarian at April 12, 2010 07:23 PM (EL+OC)

2 and numero uno !

Posted by: Barbarian at April 12, 2010 07:23 PM (EL+OC)

3 Uh, it was a joke.

No, Chris Christie is not the perennial favorite of the left-elite-teachers-union types, but to say it was not a joke would be to say that they actually, truthfully, wished a violent death on the governor. There's just no evidence of that in my opinion.

Your mileage may vary. But only because you drive a really pussy car. <----See. Joke.

Posted by: Herr Morgenholz at April 12, 2010 07:26 PM (LybP+)

4 This
post
would
look
better
formatted
differently.
Just
sayin'.

Posted by: Y-not, professional smart aleck at April 12, 2010 07:26 PM (Kn9r7)

5 And let me say, also, that when my skin becomes as thin as theirs, I ask you all to shoot me. (Do it all at once so it doesn't hurt).

Posted by: Herr Morgenholz at April 12, 2010 07:27 PM (LybP+)

6 Well, she considers it the end of the issue, and that is that.

Posted by: kansas at April 12, 2010 07:29 PM (3oU1g)

7 There's nothing more hilarious than wishing death on your enemies. I'm still laughing.

Posted by: Cicero at April 12, 2010 07:30 PM (QKKT0)

8 Gov. Christie should just hold a press conference offering a $10,000 reward and a promise of immediate amensty for anyone who anyone who brings him the head of Joe Coppola. $100,000 bonusif they bring video evidence of horrific torture before the decaptiation.
Three days later, hold another presser to announce that he was "just joking" (and to offer his deepest condolences to Coppola's widow, if need be).
Seems fair to me.

Posted by: Fa Cube Itches at April 12, 2010 07:31 PM (kmEfr)

9 Time to get "all wee wee'd up"!!

Posted by: IE COn at April 12, 2010 07:32 PM (/COcn)

10 Hey Mr. Hoffa, that "put two pills in the back of your head and burying you in the Giants Stadium end zone" thing?

Totally joking, goomba.

Posted by: Teamster Goon at April 12, 2010 07:32 PM (VY5KX)

11 Nice Union you got there, it'd be a shame if somethin were to happin to it.

Posted by: IE COn at April 12, 2010 07:33 PM (/COcn)

12 Herr, if the media is going to keep reporting on the dangers of overheated rhetoric that might encourage an already-unbalanced person to do something violent, then they should castigate such rhetoric on the left, too. I think we can at least agree on that.


You might say they shouldn't bother with it on either side. I don't think I believe that. I do believe in a thing called undue incitement, and I do think it incrementally increases the odds of political violence. I also think that such speech has little value, so to me it's not a painful retraction to lose it.

Your mileage may differ on that, but surely you can agree that if it's wrong on the right, the media must also just as loudly proclaim it to be wrong on the left.

Posted by: ace at April 12, 2010 07:33 PM (i6ROy)

13 You are expecting something from the left media that will never come.

<LOOK> - there --->> they are biased.

You will never get a fair shake and will always be disappointed.

Posted by: JavaJoe at April 12, 2010 07:34 PM (e9JZd)

14 Want to hear a knock-knock joke?
Knock Knock...
Who's there?
...
Go fuck yourself.

Posted by: Ministry of Fiction at April 12, 2010 07:34 PM (VlU3Y)

15 "So why is it that these idiots on the left continue claiming "it was just a joke" as if it's an all-purpose defense against criticizing their words?"
Media provides cover, the victims rarely, if ever, call them out on it, and in cases like this one, the NJ AG/local DA/Feds never haul the dude in and brace him.

Posted by: Fa Cube Itches at April 12, 2010 07:34 PM (kmEfr)

16 It was just a joke when the Qatari said he had been lighting his shoes in the aircraft lavatory. But some jokes fall flat, based on context -- aboard the airplane and speaking to the flight attendant, that joke ain't funny and will get you hogtied for the rest of the flight.
Same here. People used to make the joke about one President or another pardoning John Hinckley and mentioning at the end of the pardon letter, "By the way, my rival is screwing Jodie Foster." Funny in some contexts, not in others.

Posted by: stuiec at April 12, 2010 07:35 PM (7AOgy)

17 Hell, I wouldn't offer condolences to the widow. She lived with the jerkoff for some number of years--things are probably easier for her now. Just jokin'.

Posted by: Mike Myers at April 12, 2010 07:35 PM (ktYjH)

18 few years ago, in NY's Orange County Jail, a guard formed a cross from toothpicks, stuck it in a cupcake, lit it, and gave it to a co-worker for a gag. It was his last day on that job. Guess it all depends on who you insult withyour "jokes"

Posted by: bigDon at April 12, 2010 07:35 PM (Hj81C)

19 Yeah, because when a Jersey mob boss union executive jokes about someone dying, it's all hardy-har-har, just like when ANSWER, a group that regularly consorted with HAMAS and Hezb'allah, "joked" about troops shooting their officers (ha! little did they know it would be officers shooting the troops at Ft. Hood - see it has irony too) or assasinating GWB (after all, it's not like a communist has ever killed a President, or a Palestinian killed a presidential candidate).

Posted by: Holdfast at April 12, 2010 07:35 PM (Gzb30)

20 The below was prepared by a Fraud Examiner. Note his
certifications!



Just an note on the recently passed Health Care Legislation..the bill
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IRS code for taxpayers. I have reviewed the bill and the changes made
and thought it would be wise to summarize them for the benefit of our
staff.



1. Premium Assistance Credit - effective 2014 the ACT provides for
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taxpayers to assist in the payment of premiums for health insurance
costs. This credit will apply to those taxpayers that have annual
income from 100% to 400% of the National Poverty Level as established by
the Government (based on family size). The credit if refundable, and
is increased by inflation beginning in 2018.



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adjusted for inflation.



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7.5%)



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single, the amount is $200,000...the tax is .9% of the excess wages.
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in 2011.



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significant rules, and qualifications based on the size of the company,
and number of employees, and the average salary of employees.
Effective for the current tax year.



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employees drug costs are discontinued at the end of this year.



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to the Government annually for all employees covered by their health
care plans.



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health Insurance coverage..$2 per head for all covered taxpayers
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passage (now)!



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Posted by: tangonine at April 12, 2010 07:36 PM (C8Pcc)

21 We're fucking funny, get used to it. Or else.

Posted by: SEIU GOON at April 12, 2010 07:37 PM (muUqs)

22
Gov. Christie should just hold a press conference firing every teacher in the State of New Jersey


Next day, hold another presser to offer jobs to roughly half of the fired teachers (the competent half, offer many of the older ones a reasonable retirement).

Then, three days later, hold another presser, to see if the Union gets the joke.
Invite only reporters from unquestionably still-solvent publications: The National Enquirer, Star, Globe, ... see if the MSM gets this joke.

Posted by: Arbalest at April 12, 2010 07:37 PM (BqSr3)

23 Isn't anyone else concerned that a guy whose job involves children would claim that Michael Jackson is his favorite singer?

Posted by: Dig Dug at April 12, 2010 07:37 PM (QE2Kl)

24 I want Obama humiliated in 2012, the way Nixon crushed McGovern, the way Reagan crushed first Carter and then Mondale. An unmistakable loss and rejection of his every action in office. I want him too embarrassed to show his face in Chicago!
He needs to eat his wheaties every day and his arugula every night so he's ready to face the voters in 2012.
Some days, I feel like I'm in prison here, and that every day I can mark a big red Xon the date as we slowly count down the days till Nov 2012.

Posted by: Boots at April 12, 2010 07:37 PM (06JTY)

25 When I call The Precedent, "The Indonesian Imbecile", I'm speaking literally. He is what he is.

Posted by: progressoverpeace at April 12, 2010 07:38 PM (N49h9)

26 Unions are run by a vast Djouish conspiracy.

Posted by: Ron Paul Wandering Into the Wrong Thread at April 12, 2010 07:39 PM (oRZ8S)

27 What makes it a joke is that there is no truth in it. Union wanting a busting governor would be punching down! /sg

Posted by: Amused Observer at April 12, 2010 07:39 PM (HksSe)

28 I didn't mean nothin'. And you didn't hear nothin' or see nothin', if you know what I mean, and I think that you do know what I mean.
Now get outta my office. In fact, get outta the building. Rico, help this guy find the door.

Posted by: Joe Coppola, Jerk for the Union Label at April 12, 2010 07:40 PM (w41GQ)

29 Ace, that was good.
But you had me at "Union Refuses to Fire Goon."

Posted by: rdbrewer at April 12, 2010 07:41 PM (PJ1yM)

30 Why does it seem to me as though the national discourse has de-evolved to the level of not so bright 14 year olds? Know thy enemy: in order to get some semblance of rationality and responsible leadership this entire juvenile behavior trend will have to be addressed at the same time -- talk about the task of Sisyphus.
It would be nice -- in a justworld -- if the idiot "jokester" would get into trouble for this, but this world is neither nice nor just. Nor apparently very intelligent either.

Posted by: unknown jane at April 12, 2010 07:41 PM (5/yRG)

31 The thought continues to cross my mind occasionally that the liberals in the media are going to get Sarah Palin killed.

All of the incitement they accuse us of is in fact the kind of thing they dream about when no one is looking.

Good points, Ace.

Posted by: Brian72 at April 12, 2010 07:41 PM (GNBk5)

32 Every presidential assassin and attempted presidential assassin since at least McKinley has been a liberal.

Just sayin'.

Posted by: The War Between the Undead States at April 12, 2010 07:43 PM (oRZ8S)

33 @18: "few years ago, in NY's Orange County Jail, a guard formed a cross from toothpicks, stuck it in a cupcake, lit it, and gave it to a co-worker for a gag."
I remember that story. Wasn't the guy fired simply because the DOC or whomever thought that "someone might be offended" by the joke. IIRC, the guy who was the actual "victim" of the joke was not offended.
Of course, that might have been a similar case elsewhere. Stuff like that is sadly not very unique.

Posted by: Fa Cube Itches at April 12, 2010 07:45 PM (kmEfr)

34 4 This post would look bet-ter formatted differently. Just sayin'. -----------------What are you going to do with your two spare syllables?

Posted by: AARP at April 12, 2010 07:45 PM (3K4hn)

35 D'oh! Stupid sockpuppet!

Posted by: Anachronda at April 12, 2010 07:46 PM (3K4hn)

36 24 I'll go a step further,I want the fucker OUT before the 2012 election!! Did I just make a death threat or a joke??

Posted by: steevy at April 12, 2010 07:47 PM (yCFEF)

37 IIRC, the guy who was the actual "victim" of the joke was not offended.
Posted by: Fa Cube Itches at April 12, 2010 07:45 PM (kmEfr)
"Sure he was offended. He just didn't know it." -- libtard

Posted by: progressoverpeace at April 12, 2010 07:47 PM (N49h9)

38 "Coppola has said the 'prayer' was a joke and was never meant to be made public."

A private "joke." In a secret memo. To thousands of people. In one of the most powerful unions in NJ. Whose membership is the employees of, likely, the largest public employer in the state. Whose impact hits every citizen in the state.

But... it wasn't meant to be public.

Jesus tap-dancing christ these spokespeople and their bosses need to be fired, tarred, and feathered. They're a plague.

Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at April 12, 2010 07:48 PM (swuwV)

39 The NJEA is interested in employing teachers and not educating children.

Posted by: JavaJoe at April 12, 2010 07:48 PM (e9JZd)

40 When I said Elin Woods deserved it because she should have known Tiger was a dog, I wasn't joking. I'm just that much of a fucking asshole.

Posted by: Jim Carrey at April 12, 2010 07:50 PM (YCVBL)

41 It's good thing that some people learned English before the teacher's unions rewrite it.

Posted by: bill-tb at April 12, 2010 07:50 PM (y+QfZ)

42 "Claiming something is a 'joke' is the all-purpose escape for anyone who's said something offensive, hateful, or irresponsible."

Hey, it works for me. See? [*Clown nose on*] What, they're not comedians? Well, they're right anyway. [*Clown nose off*]

Posted by: Bill Bozo Maher at April 12, 2010 07:52 PM (swuwV)

43 Thank you all for coming here on such short notice. I'll be brief. Seriously, I've got a meatball pizza waiting on me in the office, and I'm not gonna let that sucker get cold.
*laughter*
At any rate, I called this little confab just to announce my latest program aimed at securing our children from those out there who would prey upon their innocence in any form. To that end, I have asked the State Legislature to provide funding for an online, publicly-accessible data base listing the identity and location of anyone convicted of abducting, raping, molesting, or assaulting any individual under the age of 18. I am also hereby designating April 12th as "Joe Coppola Pedophile Awareness Day."
Thank you.

Posted by: Gov. Christie at April 12, 2010 07:53 PM (kmEfr)

44 The NJEA is interested in employing teachers and not educating children.

Posted by: JavaJoe at April 12, 2010 07:48 PM (e9JZd)
Now, that's an unfair measure, since most teachers are too stupid to be able to educate anyone, of any age. The education department is known to be the dumbest department in just about every university, with intended education grads scoring the lowest of all grad school applicants on the GRE. Education applicants score lower on the math section than even the English students - and that's pretty friggin bad.

Posted by: progressoverpeace at April 12, 2010 07:53 PM (N49h9)

45 Heck Ace, that very joke was on this blog March 26,word for word except that it wasn't about a governor. I thought it was funny andpromptly stole it.

Posted by: Bill R. at April 12, 2010 07:54 PM (EhlQq)

46 Coppola has said the "prayer" was a joke and was never meant to be made public.
Oh, well, that makes it okay then. Notice Ace didn't address the private nature of the email. That's because he couldn't refute this point.
Didn't Lee Harvey Oswald get off the hook because he didn't mean for anybody to find out?

Posted by: rdbrewer at April 12, 2010 07:54 PM (PJ1yM)

47 Very well said, Ace.

Posted by: Usful Ijit at April 12, 2010 07:54 PM (sLjgA)

48 Hey, it was just a joke! Lighten up, Ace.

I mean, if a Republican made a off-colored joke like this, Liberals wouldn't hold his feet to the fire. Right?

Right?

Um.

Posted by: Xoxotl at April 12, 2010 07:54 PM (fnExF)

49 That "it was a joke" mime is horseshit and the left knows it.

Posted by: GarandFan at April 12, 2010 07:55 PM (6mwMs)

50 @38: "Jesus tap-dancing christ these spokespeople and their bosses need to be fired, tarred, and feathered. They're a plague."
Nah, it's Jersey. Just whack 'em the fuck out. Two behind the ear, and an anonymousburial in the Pine Barrens. They'll understand - it's nothing personal, just business.

Posted by: Fa Cube Itches at April 12, 2010 07:55 PM (kmEfr)

51 I first encountered that joke a few weeks back when someone emailed it to my wife, but with Teleprompter Buddha as the friend's "favorite President."

Not that funny then. Not that funny now.

Posted by: sulla at April 12, 2010 07:56 PM (Y4/VY)

52 31 The thought continues to cross my mind occasionally that the liberals in the media are going to get Sarah Palin killed.All of the incitement they accuse us of is in fact the kind of thing they dream about when no one is looking.Good points, Ace.
Posted by: Brian72 at April 12, 2010 07:41 PM (GNBk5)
To know what liberals fantasies are just look at what theyare accusing and claiming Republicans are doing.
Inciting violence? Violation of personal freedoms? In the pockets of corporations? All things liberals claim Republicans have done that they happily do.

Posted by: buzzion at April 12, 2010 07:57 PM (oVQFe)

53 Is it a joke? Yes.

Does that excuse what he did? No.

And in normal times, yes, a simple apology with some grovelling should be enough.

But these are not normal times, and this is, as the left likes to say, a teachable moment.

The State Media has been busy arguing that tea party people are coarse and violent. While they use a large dollop of flat out lies, they also take humor and present it as serious commentary.

This is a great opportunity to make the left live up to their ideals, as Alinsky might put it, and the sort of thing every conservative politician should do.

If the target was Obama, for example, and this was email being exchanged in Langley during a debate on prosecuting CIA officers for interrogation, does anyone seriously doubt the "joker" would be fired and the State Media would be making a big issue out of it?

Posted by: 18-1 at April 12, 2010 07:59 PM (bgcml)

54
OT: Good Christ, another bow. Guess to whom?

Posted by: Dang Straights at April 12, 2010 08:00 PM (67pfW)

55 Even when they're trying to joke, leftoids are not funny.

Posted by: logprof at April 12, 2010 08:00 PM (Mmw0q)

56 To know what liberals fantasies are just look at
what theyare accusing and claiming Republicans are doing.
Inciting violence? Violation of personal freedoms? In the pockets of
corporations? All things liberals claim Republicans have done that
they happily do.

Posted by: buzzion at April 12, 2010 07:57 PM (oVQFe)
You are certainly correct. Considering the litany of things the Left accused Bush of, this is indeed a disturbing though.

Posted by: 18-1 at April 12, 2010 08:00 PM (bgcml)

57 OT: Good Christ,
another bow. Guess to whom?

Posted by: Dang Straights at April 12, 2010 08:00 PM (67pfW)
I will not take payment in the form of bows or clunkers!!!

Posted by: Hu Jintao at April 12, 2010 08:01 PM (bgcml)

58 I wonder if Joe Coppola is any relation to Paulie Carbone

Posted by: bergerbilder at April 12, 2010 08:02 PM (S1Ttj)

59 I mean, if a Republican made a off-colored joke like
this, Liberals wouldn't hold his feet to the fire. Right?



Right?



Um.

Posted by: Xoxotl at April 12, 2010 07:54 PM (fnExF)
Oh, sure.
/What a load of Macaca

Posted by: George Allen at April 12, 2010 08:02 PM (bgcml)

60 Want to hear a funny joke?
President Barack Obama--
[laughter drowns out rest of set-up]

Posted by: logprof at April 12, 2010 08:03 PM (Mmw0q)

61 nearly-physical

I was going to link this to ONJ physical but it is way to corny.

Lefties get to defining the rules BS needs to stop.

Posted by: sTevo at April 12, 2010 08:04 PM (eA3tl)

62 knock knock
Who's there: eyes
eyes who: eyes your new health care provider

Posted by: Barakc Obama at April 12, 2010 08:05 PM (fwSHf)

63 Still seeing spots after viewing that corny shit.

Posted by: sTevo at April 12, 2010 08:05 PM (eA3tl)

64 You are certainly correct. Considering the litany of things the Left accused Bush of, this is indeed a disturbing though.
Exactly, just think of anything they did accuse him of. Think of the things Obama has done that they are happy about that are exactly those things. And the other things like their "fear" of Bush refusing to step down as president. I mean that's something that even his supporters would be the first in line at the whitehouse with pitchforks and torches if Bush had done that. But so many of them have a wet dream of Obama essentially being president forever at the moment its disgusting.
Luckily I think the dream of repealing the 2 term limit has definitely died.

Posted by: buzzion at April 12, 2010 08:06 PM (oVQFe)

65 I think the idea of a 4 year term is losing its popularity about now.

Posted by: kansas at April 12, 2010 08:07 PM (3oU1g)

66 I can guarantee you, if a student had made this joke about any liberal - especially about the Indonesian Imbecile - the kid would be promptly kicked out of school and attacked by these scumbags in the teacher's union as a danger to society.

Now, the way these teachers and administrators treat students with their insane "zero-tolerance" is no excuse, but that is the asinine reality we have to live with - thanks to these unions, for the most part.

Personally, I am for free speech and am not bothered in the least by burning in effigy or anything of the sort for political figures ... The only problem, here, is the exhibition of low class by teachers and their union thugs. Of course, that's no surprise. As I said above, most of them are legitimate idiots who really have no business being in charge of anything.

Posted by: progressoverpeace at April 12, 2010 08:08 PM (N49h9)

67 Why should we be surprised he wasn't fired? Look at all the crooks and cheats at the white house.

Posted by: S'norin desert at April 12, 2010 08:08 PM (vLwYg)

68 44 Easy there -- I'm an English major and scored quite high on my GRE (and with constant annoyance from an engineer I knew trying to get answers to questions off me during the test, so there,pfffht!).

Although admittedly, the English department has taken a serious turn towards to inane...and the school of education was mind numbingly dumb (I have hours towards an education diploma, but for the fact that I just couldn't stomach the required classes -- ack!).

Posted by: unknown jane at April 12, 2010 08:09 PM (5/yRG)

69 Did Obama bow before or after he did sex to him?

Posted by: robtr at April 12, 2010 08:09 PM (fwSHf)

70 @64: "Luckily I think the dream of repealing the 2 term limit has definitely died."
Until the next socialist God-amongst-men descends from Heaven to rule over us a philosopher-king. The (current) Messiah might have fucked it up for now, but the idea isn't going to go away.

Posted by: Fa Cube Itches at April 12, 2010 08:09 PM (kmEfr)

71 Hey, how come Chuckles didn't post this bad craziness over at Little Blue Balls?

Posted by: Terry at April 12, 2010 08:12 PM (Vui52)

72
hai guys, you hear about that tasteless joke about Chris Cristie?

Posted by: Dynomutt, Dog Wonder at April 12, 2010 08:12 PM (tMSKg)

73
Perfect opportunity to play their game - NJ has a state income tax, correct? How many times has this guy been audited?

Posted by: Dang Straights at April 12, 2010 08:12 PM (67pfW)

74 In other cool matters...

Segway-Powered Robotic Sniper Targets

Very cool. Wait around until 5:00 minutes in to see them getting shot.

Posted by: DelD at April 12, 2010 08:12 PM (eWtdM)

75 Kenneth Gladney?

Just a tickle fight.

Posted by: SEIU Thug Comedian at April 12, 2010 08:13 PM (MMC8r)

76
Remember that stupid show with DORKS who built LAME ROBOTS and battled each other? It was called Robot Wars, or some such.

It was like watching two monkeys fuck a football old people fuck.

Posted by: Dynomuttwing Plover at April 12, 2010 08:14 PM (tMSKg)

77 O/T
Romney on O'Reilly and states that Massachusetts is not financially underwater, and the numbers are just as the legislature programed.
What a fucking dork!

Posted by: Fish at April 12, 2010 08:15 PM (M5t+h)

78 Herr, if the media is going to keep reporting on the dangers of overheated rhetoric that might encourage an already-unbalanced person to do something violent, then they should castigate such rhetoric on the left, too. I think we can at least agree on that.
I clearly remember the media stirring up the people to the point of violent rioting during the Rodney King incident. They showed the edited video so many times that I believe they were cuplable in the 50 or so deaths that followed during the riots. It still amazes me that they weren't held crminially liable for their actions. The media is the enemy. Never forget that.

Posted by: LGoPs at April 12, 2010 08:16 PM (lHn6+)

79 76 Does it make me a total nerd if I remember more than one episode of that show?
If so, then what show are you talking about? Never heard of it!

Posted by: unknown jane at April 12, 2010 08:16 PM (5/yRG)

80 >>>44 Easy there -- I'm an English major and scored quite high on my GRE
Yes, there are a few good people in the English departments. A few. I was just going on the actual reported scores - which I found absolutely shocking when I took my GREs and got back the results with the intended concentration breakdowns. It was a real eye-opener for me.
>>>(and with constant annoyance from an engineer I knew trying to get answers to questions off me during the test, so there,pfffht!). I came from the math department. We've got engineer jokes out the wazoo.
>>>Although admittedly, the English department has taken a serious turn towards to inane...and the school of education was mind numbingly dumb (I have hours towards an education diploma, but for the fact that I just couldn't stomach the required classes -- ack!). Posted by: unknown jane at April 12, 2010 08:09 PM (5/yRG)
Yep. Things were always sort of bad, but they have really gone over a cliff in the past 20 years.

Posted by: progressoverpeace at April 12, 2010 08:16 PM (N49h9)

81 UJane you might enjoy reading some of this from The Underground History of American Education. The required classes are to weed out to less-than-academic types, according to John.

Posted by: sTevo at April 12, 2010 08:16 PM (eA3tl)

82 It was like watching two monkeys fuck a football old people fuck.
Posted by: Dynomuttwing Plover at April 12, 2010 08:14 PM (tMSKg)
Well, I'm an old person and I fuck my young girlfriend quiet well thank you.
At least she tells me this is the case. Do young chicks who only get $3000 a month allowance lie?

Posted by: Fish at April 12, 2010 08:17 PM (M5t+h)

83 Do young chicks who only get $3000 a month allowance lie?


Posted by: Fish

Only in bed.

Posted by: sTevo at April 12, 2010 08:18 PM (eA3tl)

84 When Obambalamps goes to Indonesia, he'll actually be dropping his pants and taking a caning on stage. Bowing is sooo yesterday.

Posted by: sifty at April 12, 2010 08:19 PM (60leK)

85
Only in bed.

boom

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Whatever you want me to say baby

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87
Posted by: ace at April 12, 2010 07:33 PM (i6ROy)
Your dudeness:I didn't mean to do a driveby--I had some garden work to attend to.Of course we agree on a lot of this, especially that the media does a fine job of differentiating between left and right-wing "jokes". It's criminal. But that joke has been told a thousand times, with only the punchline differing depending on circumstance. It's "The Aristocrats" of political rubber chicken dinners.Do I believe they wish harm to Chris Christie? Probably. They're the left.Is that what Cockholster was saying, in that place and at that time? Probably not. Sure, we can raise hell about it and play their game. I'm certainly not above playing their game. But the fact is that no one will report, so we might as well be screaming at our deaf mothers-in-law.
I see what you did there, and I can't disapprove of the Alinsykite attempt to "make them live by their own rules". But only we have to live by their rules. I just think, with all respect, that it is probably wasted effort.

Posted by: Herr Morgenholz at April 12, 2010 08:21 PM (LybP+)

88 It was like watching two monkeys fuck a football old people fuck.

The mirror on my ceiling disagrees!

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89 Memories

Posted by: curious at April 12, 2010 08:22 PM (p302b)

90 Not so fast, jerk, you'll make the ashes from my cigarette fall in the futon!

Posted by: young chick doing it for money at April 12, 2010 08:22 PM (60leK)

91 So at the next anarchist meeting, an invocation can be made that goes something like this?:

"Dear Lord this year you have taken away my favorite actor, Patrick
Swayze, my favorite actress, Farrah Fawcett, my favorite singer,
Michael Jackson, and my favorite salesman, Billy Mays. I just wanted to
let you know that Barack Obama is my favorite president."

Good to know.

Posted by: Henry David Thoreau You In Walden's Pond at April 12, 2010 08:24 PM (swuwV)

92 sTevo, I've been preaching Gatto to my family and anyone else who will listen for a couple years now.

I don't agree with everything he says, however I think, at it's core, his manifesto is spot on.

A decade-and-a-half in the classroom, in higher education, has convinced me that the majority of students would be better served by less formal schooling and more apprentice programs. The one-size fits all attempt to get everyone a college education is stupid.

Not only that, but school bureaucracies at all levels should be slashed, and school policy decisions should be devolved to the absolute lowest (i.e. most local) level possible.

And don't get me started on how public schools train kids to be acquiescent and timid, deferential to authority, the antithesis of what 19th century Americans thought was proper for a free people.

Posted by: DelD at April 12, 2010 08:25 PM (eWtdM)

93 It's kind of cute that anarchists have meetings and facebook pages. to organize themselves. and coordinate things. for anarchy.

Cute as a pail full of kittens. Dumb as a slug under the tomatoes.

Posted by: sifty at April 12, 2010 08:26 PM (60leK)

94 "I just wanted to let you know that Barack Obama is my favorite president."
Posted by: Henry David Thoreau You In Walden's Pond at April 12, 2010 08:24 PM (swuwV)
Sucking the black mamba must be very rewarding Mr. Thoreau, but eventually the snake will turn and bite you. It bit Hillary on her cellulite butt.

Posted by: Fish at April 12, 2010 08:26 PM (M5t+h)

95 Ace,

unfortunately I live in New Jersey. Thanks for the post. This state is a cesspool and corrupt as they come. I have a ton of issues with Christie from a social perspective, but if he can bring some Giuliani "law and order" governing to NJ I'll take it in a heartbeat.

The unions are spending almost as much money on advertising here as the Federal Government is wasting on Census advertising. Just to give you an inkling of what the Governor's up against. And he's winning, that's why he's dangerous to them.

Posted by: NJRob at April 12, 2010 08:27 PM (y/IxH)

96 Fish, re read....

Posted by: curious at April 12, 2010 08:27 PM (p302b)

97
Hillary Clinton or Angela Merkel?

Posted by: Dynomutt After Dark at April 12, 2010 08:28 PM (tMSKg)

98 heard angela is in trouble for backing down on grease...


Posted by: curious at April 12, 2010 08:29 PM (p302b)

99 Just thought I"d put your name and DEAD in a funny little prayer. Haven't you ever heard a funny prayer? You get the prayer-I mean joke, right? Right?
NJ unions are well known for their prayer humor, every body knows that.
C'mon, you got a sense a humor, right? RIGHT?

Posted by: ontherocks at April 12, 2010 08:29 PM (HBqDo)

100 Yeah, Christie and his people are being a little thin-skinned about this and I'm wondering why. Surely, to keep it in the news is not a bad idea--right now it's no-holds-barred here and I couldn't care less if Christie looks whiney. You haven't heard the kind of keening and whinging the unions are up to--they look pathetic.
But Christie is a former Federal prosecutor, and joking about killing a prosecutor is no fucking joke. I don't see where his duties now are that far from those of a prosecutor, and for all the jokes about this place, New Jersey can be a very unfunny place.
Anyway, another time, another place I'd be willing to give these jokers a pass. But nobody's giving me any passes, so fuck 'em.

Posted by: spongeworthy at April 12, 2010 08:31 PM (rplL3)

101 Fish, re read....
Posted by: curious at April 12, 2010 08:27 PM (p302b)
After reading the prayer again, I am in complete agreement.
PS I miss Billy Mays and his crap products. The best showman on TV.

Posted by: Fish at April 12, 2010 08:31 PM (M5t+h)

102 I hira sum funny jokesa, but dat wun tekka da kek.

Posted by: NJ ethnic teacher at April 12, 2010 08:32 PM (S1Ttj)

103 81 By non academic, do you mean:
got sick of reading required history class text which was so...stunted any 5th grader with a modicum of intelligence could have taken the class?
got tired of answering all the questions on the rare instances when the prof deigned to make a half assed attempt at Socratic method rather than relying upon power point?
thought the assignments often amounted to how much busy work one could accomplish while still kissing somebody's ass? (I mean really, running the transparency machine is cool and all, but after one go round you have the hang of it -- I really didn't want to waste my time learning how to make cute, motivational posters for a hypothetical classroom; besides, I wanted secondary ed., not kindergarten -- but I rest my case)
Then yeah, sign me up as non-academic, because they certainly weeded me out.

Posted by: unknown jane at April 12, 2010 08:32 PM (5/yRG)

104
Is Greece part of the EU?

If so, ha-ha!

Posted by: Dynomutt After Dark at April 12, 2010 08:33 PM (tMSKg)

105 I kind of miss Ernest, myself.

Posted by: sTevo at April 12, 2010 08:36 PM (eA3tl)

106 My 5 year old uses the just kidding or just joking to try to get out of trouble when he says something he knows is wrong.

I punish him anyway.

Even when he repeated "Obama is a lying bastard." When I admonished him, he said "just kidding". I still punished him for cursing.

Hopefully, he will grow up to be a man who doesn't say hateful shit and then try to get out of trouble by saying it was just a joke.

Posted by: mpur in Texas at April 12, 2010 08:45 PM (tr6Dy)

107 Just in case the teachers union thinks Christie is joking about cutting their budget, he is not.

And just in case they don't think that this little "joke" might harden his resolve, it will.

Har de har har. Joke is on you.


Posted by: Guy Fawkes at April 12, 2010 08:46 PM (7VvJB)

108 GW and his dad and even Bill Clinton were warm, genuine, naturaland friendly and smiles came easy to them when they were greeting heads of state, and you could tell that they liked people.
I noticed that, at the summit that he is attending, Obama is stiff with phony smiles and his whole demeanor ispretentious, awkwardand phony. Thanks 52%ers for electing that empty suit. You stupid assholes.

Posted by: Dianne & Brian at April 12, 2010 08:46 PM (ITzbJ)

109 You might say they shouldn't bother with it on either side. I don't think I believe that. I do believe in a thing called undue incitement, and I do think it incrementally increases the odds of political violence. I also think that such speech has little value, so to me it's not a painful retraction to lose it.
That, or something like that.
So Ace, when are you going to get around to stabbing all those co-blogger with whom I disagree?
(stab they guy that wrote that rule about not ending sentences with a preposition too)

Posted by: Jim in San Diego at April 12, 2010 08:52 PM (F09Uo)

110 I hope Joe Coppola's family gets set on fire and the fire gets put out by children weilding baseball bats.

Get it? It's funny if you hear it in the original French. The translation doesn't quite work.

Posted by: Spade at April 12, 2010 08:55 PM (CsRpp)

111 It was a bad joke. Give it up.

Hey we never make bad jokes?

Looks like Ace is back to being paid by the word. The union thug or not thug, how many words do we need?

Valu Rite Monday?

Posted by: Kemp at April 12, 2010 08:57 PM (2+9Yx)

112 @108: "GW and his dad and even Bill Clinton were warm, genuine, naturaland friendly and smiles came easy to them when they were greeting heads of state, and you could tell that they liked people.
I noticed that, at the summit that he is attending, Obama is stiff with phony smiles and his whole demeanor ispretentious, awkwardand phony. Thanks 52%ers for electing that empty suit. You stupid assholes."
Hey, you stupid cracker pal, Bush I, Bush II, and Clinton smiled when they met heads of state because they were among peers. I am a god come to earth. I have no peers. Meeting with mere heads of state is beneath Me. Heads of state are simply better-perfumed, better-clothed, better-educated, better-fed, (well, just plain better, okay) versions of peasants like you. Put it this way, when Sarkozy's ho first met Me, she asked to suck My dick (begged, really, but then all you insects do is beg). I refused her, because there was nothing in it for Me. Understand?

Posted by: Prezidizzle Obizzle at April 12, 2010 08:58 PM (kmEfr)

113 "Interactive
Map of Public Pension Plans; How Badly Underfunded are the Plans in
Your State?"
Isn't social security underfunded too?
What is most frightening about all of this is people's reactions. They just accept it like they expected it.
that is one totally frightening map. Was no one doing the right thing?

Posted by: curious at April 12, 2010 08:59 PM (p302b)

114 So is it wrong for me to wonder what the world would be like if Ogabe, Bidenclown, the cabinet and the Dem congressional leadership had been aboard the Areoflot flight instead of the Polish delegation?

Posted by: Brian at April 12, 2010 09:01 PM (Unq1i)

115 Oh, and every bit of the United Nations, academic, union, legal, NGO, etc.. leadership as well.....

Posted by: Brian at April 12, 2010 09:04 PM (Unq1i)

116 And Obowma strikes again...
The express elevator to Hell.

Posted by: Brian at April 12, 2010 09:08 PM (Unq1i)

117 .

Posted by: spammer at April 12, 2010 09:09 PM (W0CZS)

118 So is it wrong for me to wonder what the world would be like if Ogabe, Bidenclown, the cabinet and the Dem congressional leadership had been aboard the Areoflot flight instead of the Polish delegation?
Well, higher ratings for MSNBC for one...

Posted by: HH at April 12, 2010 09:12 PM (1kwr2)

119 This is an old joke; I saw it last Fall, right after Swayze and Farah had actually died, and Obama was the politician named.Ithough it was hysterical, and forwarded it to everyone I knew. I got it again with Pelosi as the pol named.
The only thing that bothers me about this is that if someone on the Right had done it, the MSM would have gone apeshit, and the police would have pressed charges.

Posted by: Redneck, tea-baggin' bitch at April 12, 2010 09:14 PM (GXLjK)

120 Hmmm
Okay. I'll trade ratings for MSCrapBC for clearing out teh infection

Posted by: Brian at April 12, 2010 09:22 PM (Unq1i)

121 mudflaps!

Posted by: poostain hussein at April 12, 2010 09:38 PM (TA9hv)

122 Hey, I SAID I was sorry-- don't make me come over there.

Posted by: A. Goon at April 12, 2010 09:56 PM (2X8VA)

123 This was not a "joke" sent to a few friends. This was in an "official" memo with wide distribution. This makes it more serious than a joke among friends. In the private sector, the offender would have been fired.

Posted by: MDr VB1.0 CS1st at April 12, 2010 10:03 PM (ucq49)

124 .

Posted by: spammer at April 12, 2010 10:18 PM (zcHh9)

125 Wait a minute, a teacher offering a prayer in an official capacity? Horrors, how can this happen in our multi-cultural, religion separated state?

Posted by: Pepe LePew at April 12, 2010 11:31 PM (y3VtA)

126 When I read the joke, I actually laughed outloud. It's funny. It's always been a funny joke.
As it turns out, claiming something is 'offensive, hateful, or irresponsible' is the all-purpose escapefor anyone who hasno sense of humor.
Political correctness is not pretty when anyone utilizes it but it's particularly disappointing when conservatives do it. There's no victim here, Ace. It's just a joke. Climb off your liberal soapbox and try to get some sleep. You'll feel better in the morning.

Posted by: jojo at April 12, 2010 11:51 PM (tVUAR)

127 As it turns out, claiming something is 'offensive, hateful, or
irresponsible' is the all-purpose escapefor anyone who hasno sense of
humor.

Curiously, the left never got that memo.

I'm not laughing.

Posted by: Purple Avenger at April 13, 2010 12:02 AM (7htjb)

128 The only time a liberal prays is when he wants a Republican elected official dead.

Posted by: FatBaldnSassy at April 13, 2010 12:28 AM (lFp7s)

129 Hey Jojo.
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Get it?

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Posted by: Zsa Zsa Huffenpuff at April 13, 2010 08:48 AM (yRrAd)

133 More tabloid journalism, and another tempest in a teapot like the Tiger Woods thingy. America has become a country of bitchy gossips.

Posted by: Dianne & Brian at April 13, 2010 09:51 AM (ITzbJ)

134 but aren't christians supposed to be happy when someone goes to heaven ?

Posted by: Math sez at April 13, 2010 11:23 AM (mhD2v)

135 Irony is not considered humorous ? Have anice day

Posted by: Math sez at April 13, 2010 11:31 AM (mhD2v)

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What would we do without you guys?

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