Moscow Pushing New Kyrgyz Government to Evict U.S.; Obama Rendered Impotent By Dreams of Nuclear Legacy

While President Obama makes calf eyes at Dmitry Medvedev, Moscow is trying to push the U.S. out of central Asia:

Russia has long dreamed of evicting the United States from Central Asia and a Russian official said on Thursday that Moscow would urge the interim Kyrgyz government to shut the U.S. base.

Suspicions of the Kremlin's hand in the unrest were raised when Russian Prime Minister Vladimir Putin became the first world leader to recognize the authority of the self-proclaimed government, just hours after it took power.

Washington has been more guarded, refusing to endorse either President Kurmanbek Bakiyev or the self-proclaimed government leaders, some of whom have already raised the specter of shutting the base.

"Russia was very quick to act. Both China and the U.S., by comparison, were caught on the hop," said Nick Day, chief executive of business intelligence firm Diligence LLC.

"Russia is going to dominate Kyrgyzstan and that means problems for the U.S," he said. "Russia will use this as a lever in negotiations with America."

Let's see: Georgia and Ukraine slipping from us. Now Kyrgyzstan is in Moscow's sights and Obama's hands are tied if he wants his precious nuclear legacy to last longer than a week.

No wonder Obama is trying to reassure ex-Soviet bloc NATO allies that he's not abandoning them.

Posted by: Gabriel Malor at 11:31 AM



Comments

1 Timing is everything, just as Putin...

Posted by: conscious, but hungover at April 10, 2010 11:34 AM (YVZlY)

2 as = ask

Posted by: conscious, but hungover at April 10, 2010 11:35 AM (YVZlY)

3 Is there ANYTHING Opie can't fuck up?

Posted by: gus at April 10, 2010 11:39 AM (Vqruj)

4 I thought Obama could just look at these guys and all their problems would be settled.
Looks like Putin has decided we are officially weak.

Posted by: dagny at April 10, 2010 11:39 AM (UaT92)

5 Well, obviously these silly Russians haven't heard any of Easy Bake's speeches.

Thanks, 52%!



Posted by: eman at April 10, 2010 11:41 AM (QZA9F)

6 Its nice to have shitforbrains as POTUS

Posted by: billypaintbrush at April 10, 2010 11:41 AM (kCLi2)

7 Bush could look into Putin's eyes and see his soul.
Putin can look at Obama's back and see the yellow stripe.

Posted by: notropis at April 10, 2010 11:41 AM (uc7aS)

8
Avid sportsman and outdoorsman ,ex-KGB agent, sambo and judo expert


vs.


Community organizer, with moobs that has little to no job experience in the real world.



What could possibly go wrong?

Posted by: Blazer at April 10, 2010 11:41 AM (t72+4)

9 Your president is a cowardly, jugeared commie asshole.

Posted by: Filthy Scandi Snowbilly at April 10, 2010 11:41 AM (FEE0y)

10 I miss George W more each day.

Posted by: Cicero at April 10, 2010 11:41 AM (KrRnU)

11 @3 Throwing a base...ah fuck I give up.

Posted by: Jarrod at April 10, 2010 11:42 AM (2KV+l)

12 Never let a Russian see you throw like a pussy.

Posted by: eman at April 10, 2010 11:42 AM (QZA9F)

13 Ahistorical asshats!

Posted by: Peoples Front of Judea at April 10, 2010 11:42 AM (iV4X6)

14 Obama would abandon every single member of his family if he saw a reason to do so, or if he saw no reason to keep them around. Look what he did to his grandmother! While she was still alive he tossed her overboard during his big speech on race (typical white woman that she was). Then after her death, said that she shouldn't have had health care treatment when she was old sick, maybe she should have just taken a pain pill.
He cares for nobody other than himself.

Posted by: Boots at April 10, 2010 11:42 AM (06JTY)

15

I have looked into Vladimir Putin's eyes and........well......I shit my pants.

Posted by: Barack Obama at April 10, 2010 11:43 AM (t72+4)

16 Georgia on My Mind - by Ray Charles Vladimir Putin

Posted by: conscious, but hungover at April 10, 2010 11:43 AM (YVZlY)

17 Obama doesn't see a big difference between the US and the Russians. White, imperialistic, super power. Same dif.

Posted by: dagny at April 10, 2010 11:43 AM (UaT92)

18 Russia is finished as a world power in the long run.For now though,they can and have caused us tremendous difficulties.Having a moron for CIC just makes things worse.

Posted by: steevy at April 10, 2010 11:44 AM (tVCIS)

19 Thanks again FiftyTwo Percenters, you fucking fucks.

Posted by: Unclefacts, AoSHQ Professional Debate Team at April 10, 2010 11:44 AM (erIg9)

20 Comrade Zero really is the anti-Reagan. Reagan's unbendingwill brought aboutthe dismantling of the Soviet Union, and Comrade Zero's cowardice and naivete will allow it to be rebuilt.

Posted by: Cicero at April 10, 2010 11:45 AM (KrRnU)

21 Smart diplomacy at its finest.

Posted by: FatBaldnSassy at April 10, 2010 11:46 AM (lFp7s)

22 "Moscow offers to fly entire Kyrgyz leadership to Kremlin summit. President Toonces prepares statements of condolence."

Posted by: t-bird at April 10, 2010 11:46 AM (FcR7P)

23 You have to have chaos if you want to realign the world economy so that there are no first world coutries and there are only third world countries ---that makes everything fair.

Posted by: dagny at April 10, 2010 11:46 AM (UaT92)

24
Yeah, thanks 52%. We had so much fun last year!

Posted by: Honduras at April 10, 2010 11:47 AM (QZA9F)

25 "Russia will use this as a lever in negotiations with America."

LOL. Why the hell would Russia need any levers with the traitors in the White House, right now? The Indonesian Imbecile is dying to give everything away - even without any prompting, as with our missile defense (given away twice - once in his insane backstabbing of the Poles and the Czechs, and a second time in his traitorous attempt to screw the US with this nuke "treaty" with Russia, that has had missile defense attached to it by Russian fiat and Indonesian Imbecilic malevolence).

Russia is just starting a new accumulation, for the sake of accumulating world power that the US is treasonously being taken out of by the retarded traitor in the White House.

Posted by: progressoverpeace at April 10, 2010 11:48 AM (N49h9)

26 Good thing you guys didn't elect that snowbilly as VP...oh and her foreign policy/military experienced presidential running mate.

She might have done something stupid, like give away all of our foreign policy chips to Russia for nothing!


Posted by: The State Media at April 10, 2010 11:48 AM (bgcml)

27 Did anyone ever think that Obama would ever be able to negotiate anything with Putin without losing his ass.

Come on. Obama vs. Putin. Laughable.

Posted by: SlaveDog at April 10, 2010 11:49 AM (W+E+o)

28 Yeah, thanks 52%. We had so much fun last year!





Posted by: Honduras at April 10, 2010 11:47 AM (QZA9F)
You know, I have a problem with a democratically elected government ousting a president/tyrant just because he didn't abide by the Constitution.
What the heck were you guys thinking?

Posted by: Barack Obama at April 10, 2010 11:49 AM (bgcml)

29
Well, it's a good thing Easy Bake is fighting the Russians and Chinese by resisting Communism in South America.

Um, wait a sec .... never mind.

Posted by: eman at April 10, 2010 11:50 AM (QZA9F)

30 Come on. Obama vs. Putin. Laughable.

Your President Obama frightens me with his towering intellect.
And floppy ears.
Yes, make sure you re-elect him many times...

Posted by: Vladimir Putin at April 10, 2010 11:51 AM (bgcml)

31 Between ME oil fields being in jeopardy, and SinoSovs encircling the Caspian Basin and various Trashcanistan gas reserves, the West is well and truly fucked. Our troops are deployed in a theater with ever tightening forward supply lines. Ungood. Europe sees this, as do Asian states, andthey know how to bet.
With their investment in the Watermelon Movement ( green outside / red inside ) the Commie BFF have checkmated Amerikwa, which continues to neuter itself industrially. Now Mau-Mau Man indicates that paper adherence to BS IAEA and UN mandates protects you from canned sunshine delivery. Smart. Supine. Suicidal
You'd almost think Obongo has an agenda other than welfare of the American People.

Posted by: OhioDude at April 10, 2010 11:52 AM (d6j6Y)

32
Putin is playing Wee Wee like a smacked-out Jimmy Page on a Gibson.

Posted by: Dang Straights at April 10, 2010 11:52 AM (67pfW)

33 What a coinky-dink that Russia pushes us around right after we surrender on the tough nuclear treaty.

Posted by: PJ at April 10, 2010 11:52 AM (Z9DO/)

34 Obama doesn't see a big difference between the US
and the Russians. White, imperialistic, super power. Same dif.

Posted by: dagny at April 10, 2010 11:43 AM (UaT92)
That's not true.
The Russians aren't the world's primary proponents of capitalism.So, I'd say they are alright.

Posted by: Barack Obama at April 10, 2010 11:52 AM (bgcml)

35 Now that Russia has jumped the gun (I though they'd wait until after 2010), watch for China and Iran to get what they can before 2012.

Posted by: t-bird at April 10, 2010 11:53 AM (FcR7P)

36 The entire world is laughing at us.

Posted by: Ministry of Fiction at April 10, 2010 11:53 AM (sE4Zb)

37 It's just because of those housing units in East Jerusalem..

Posted by: TexasJew at April 10, 2010 11:53 AM (SGZXj)

38 http://bit.ly/baAYhy
The Obama Administration continues to talk up the prospects for strong U.N. sanctions on Iran at the same time that it is becoming increasingly clear the United States is unlikely to persuade Russia and China to approve anything stronger than a mild slap on the wrist for their Iranian friends. Yesterday President Obama said We are going to be pushing very hard to make sure that both smart and strong sanctionsend up being in place soon to send a signal to Iran and other countries that this is an issue that the international community takes seriously.
But Obamas nave belief in the seriousness of the international community was immediately contradicted by Russian Prime Minister Dmitry Medvedev, who made it clear that Moscow sees things differently.

Posted by: conscious, but hungover at April 10, 2010 11:53 AM (YVZlY)

39 Boy, Obambi really is a moron, isn't he? He really thinks that if he kowtows to everyone that the world will just be all warm fuzzy, and that a blanket of love will wrap the world in peace. What a moron. We seriously need to get rid of this guy. He has no idea what the hell he is doing. He is actually making the world a much less stable place, more dangerous place, and bringing about conditions that will eventually lead to broader conflicts. He does not understand that if the US is to retreat from the world, that there are others happily waiting in the wings to fill that power vacuum. Unfortunately, those that are waiting to step up are not going to be so benevolent. What an ass. This president is an ass.

Posted by: golly at April 10, 2010 11:53 AM (2/oBD)

40 If O'Bami would only use his Russian Secret Decoder Ring he obtained in Marxist Theology School, and with a combination of this secret inside information and his pleasing personality, he could learn to butt fuck the Russians. It's an art form O'Butthead.
PS Hillary, learn the asshole sumthin!

Posted by: Fish at April 10, 2010 11:53 AM (M5t+h)

41 Obviously, the only answer to Russian Imperial Hegemony is more Health Care!

Posted by: Barack Obama, President Guy at April 10, 2010 11:54 AM (QZA9F)

42
Putin is playing Wee Wee like a smacked-out Jimmy Page on a Gibson.

Posted by: Dang Straights at April 10, 2010 11:52 AM (67pfW)





Now that was funny. Sad, but funny.

Posted by: Blazer at April 10, 2010 11:54 AM (t72+4)

43 Putin and Medvedev are probably at Putin's dacha this very minute in an emergency meeting to determine how they're going to deal with the fact that Obama is much dumber than they originally thought. And they originally thought he was really dumb.

Posted by: SlaveDog at April 10, 2010 11:55 AM (W+E+o)

44 Our country won't survive a full Bambi term. This turd has to be removed from office.

Posted by: Bugler at April 10, 2010 11:56 AM (YCVBL)

45 Pretty hard to 'support' our allies when Barry keeps sending them white flags with a note 'you'll need this'.

Posted by: GarandFan at April 10, 2010 11:56 AM (6mwMs)

46
Crap! Interesting times!

Posted by: eman at April 10, 2010 11:56 AM (QZA9F)

47 Why, it's almost like he wants to stab his allies and his own militaryin the back and give international communism and the religion of peace a boost. I'm so glad that's just a silly, paranoid flight of fancy.

**yep, sarcasm again

Posted by: unknown jane at April 10, 2010 11:57 AM (5/yRG)

48 as this misery rolls in day after day, i keep jumping back in my mind to all the foreign dollars rolling into Obama's coffers for the election.

Posted by: willow at April 10, 2010 11:58 AM (GkYyh)

49

The entire world is laughing at us.

Posted by: Ministry of Fiction at April 10, 2010 11:53 AM (sE4Zb)



They've gone from simply laughing at us to crawling around on the floor in hysterics, holding their bellies and pissing their pants.

Posted by: Blazer at April 10, 2010 11:58 AM (t72+4)

50 Do the Russians even need a plan to dump on TOTUS?

Posted by: Dave at April 10, 2010 11:59 AM (vOVJX)

51 One of the driving forces in this, is Russian Paranoia. They were a bunch of peasents who were historicly invaded by both East, and West, and this left an impact on their National Character.
This led to the Russian idea of the "Near Abroad"... which is a group of small buffer states, controlled by Russia, around the border which would act as trip wires to invasion.
We Americans, in our Hubris after the fall of the Sov Union, not only got some of the countries in this area as allies, but actualy built airbases and ran Military Ops in some of them (see Georgia).
Putin now sees, becaue of a weak American President, and America's own stupid Economic politices, a Historic chance to rebuild the "Near Abroad".

Posted by: Romeo13 at April 10, 2010 12:00 PM (OlHjR)

52 Obama is helping Russia rebuild the Soviet Union.

Posted by: cvbvb at April 10, 2010 12:01 PM (9f6Q6)

53 OT, But have you guys seen this?

http://tinyurl.com/y3oe454

Up until this happened, the UK's health care system was the envy of the world, right?

Posted by: MikeB at April 10, 2010 12:01 PM (LHMFo)

54 39 He does not understand that if the US is to retreat from the world, that there are others happily waiting in the wings to fill that power vacuum. Unfortunately, those that are waiting to step up are not going to be so benevolent.

When Reagan spoke about the evils of communism and moved the world away from it, people (most of the voting population) understood what he was talking about, many had lived through WWII and the cold war. People back then had actual experience with the evils of communism. Today, not so much. I fear that we are going to learn the hard way, through actual experience, about the evils of communism, totalitarianism, and the crushing of the human spirit by evil men and their minions.

Posted by: Boots at April 10, 2010 12:02 PM (06JTY)

55 52,

Yeah, we know that. That's why we are pissed and worried.

Posted by: eman at April 10, 2010 12:02 PM (QZA9F)

56 On the bright side, its 72 and clear @ 6:00am here on the North Shore.

Still, fuck you Bambi, and may your mother's carcass be strapped to the roofs of a thousand hunters.

Posted by: Editor at April 10, 2010 12:02 PM (ErRH1)

57 That's right, I put the "B" in Big Fucking Deal.

This is just a test, and we're going to trick them into being overconfident!

Posted by: Joey "The B" Biden at April 10, 2010 12:03 PM (FcR7P)

58 Can we impeach a president for sheer total incompetence?

Posted by: sandbagger at April 10, 2010 12:03 PM (IOKTj)

59 Managing the demise of the U.S. (and helping it along). Still think there was a plan to do just this. He, nor his cohorts, give a damn about the United States of America other than as a place to amass personal wealth.

Posted by: dagny at April 10, 2010 12:04 PM (UaT92)

60
With bricksObama is helping Russia rebuild the Soviet Union.

Posted by: cvbvb at April 10, 2010 12:01 PM (9f6Q6)



With bricks from the tearing down of America.

Posted by: Blazer at April 10, 2010 12:04 PM (t72+4)

61 59 Can we impeach a president for sheer total incompetence?
Posted by: sandbagger at April 10, 2010 12:03 PM (IOKTj)
Right after we execute 52% of the electorate for treason.

Posted by: TexasJew at April 10, 2010 12:04 PM (SGZXj)

62 I'm holding back until I find out what Tina Fey thinks about all this.

Posted by: eman at April 10, 2010 12:04 PM (QZA9F)

63 Serial killer Charles Manson derives a great deal of pleasure reading about the 'Exploits of Obama' when published by the dirt bag media. More importantly, it gives Charlie Manson hope for the future knowing American society has elected a Marxist/sociopath to the presidency, and he no longer feels alone in this world.

PS Nurse Ratched, pick up the white courtesy phone in the lobby.

Posted by: Fish at April 10, 2010 12:06 PM (M5t+h)

64
On the bright side, its 72 and clear @ 6:00am here on the North Shore.



Still, fuck you Bambi, and may your mother's carcass be strapped to the roofs of a thousand hunters.

Posted by: Editor at April 10, 2010 12:02 PM (ErRH1)





Editor, what kind of trouble have you and ncj gotten into since you've been there?

Posted by: Blazer at April 10, 2010 12:06 PM (t72+4)

65 We are still fighting the mistakes of Jimmy Carter. We aren't going to be able to clean up after this asshole in my life time.

Posted by: dagny at April 10, 2010 12:06 PM (UaT92)

66 52 Umm yeah,we kind of felt that those counties had a right to their independence.

Posted by: steevy at April 10, 2010 12:07 PM (tVCIS)

67 Did anyone ever think that Obama would ever be able to negotiate anything with Putin without losing his ass.

Come on. Obama vs. Putin. Laughable.

An obvious point, but one that suggests another. When and where has this person now in the White House ever been able to negotiate anything with anyone? He excels as being a "worthy vessel" for white guilt and Chicago favor-trading. He's been booted up the ladder by affirmative action and players behind the scene his whole life. But did any of the feckless 52% ever see any evidence he made any deals of any sort in his execrable life? He mostly won office by getting his opponents off the ballot, not by a fair fight. He wrote semi-factual self-laudatory autobiographies, two of them, before the age of 50. He wasted millions in the Annenberg Challenge. Whatever deals he made were in the dark with scum like Tony Rezko and the Daley machine. He voted "present" so many times he could have left a card with the word on it in place of himself in the Senate. He speechified with double teleprompters before slavish crowds.

But in all his miserable, race-baiting, image-polishing, figurehead-for-white-guilt career, has he ever demonstrated a skill at winning over enemies by jawboning? We do not mean crowds of awestruck feeble-minded liberals. We do not mean other players at the Chicago machine table. We mean real opponents. Not media people swayed by what a knob-gobbling Anderson Cooper or Brian Williams will say on TV, but people like Putin, Kim, Ahmadinnerjacket.

Like his much-vaunted but invisible "intelligence," where are Barry's mad negotiation skillz in his sorry, carpetbagging career?

Posted by: George Orwell at April 10, 2010 12:08 PM (AZGON)

68 No trouble... yet. We just got in late last night. All I've done is make fried Spam and eggs and gone to bed. Hell, I'm still in bed.

Posted by: Editor at April 10, 2010 12:09 PM (ErRH1)

69 68 He successfully "negotiated" a climb all the way to the White House.Almost like Satan was his campaign manager....

Posted by: steevy at April 10, 2010 12:10 PM (tVCIS)

70 Well, there have been a lot of very wise people who predicted that America would never fall at the hands of a foreign enemy, rather her demise would come from within.
I weep for my children...and possible grandchildren (if I ever get the chance to have any).

Posted by: unknown jane at April 10, 2010 12:11 PM (5/yRG)

71 We lost Iran under Carter and were humiliated in the aftermath. We also looked impotent during the invasion of Afghanistan (though I'm not sure what we really could have done during the limited amount of time he had left in his term). All that considered, when it came to foreign policy, we weren't in that different of a position at the end of Carter's term than we were at the beginning,

So...I could call him "Carter II," but was Carter really even as bad as what we're looking at? Serious question here--was it even close?

* A nuclear Iran (presumably then making moves in the rest of the Middle East)
* Losing this country and possible Afghanistan
* Screwing over Poland and the Czech Republic (and our own defense with the abandoning of the missile defense shield over there)
* Moving away from Israel (though the ultimate effects remain to be seen)
* Egging on Argentina to make a move on the Falklands
* Alienating India Britain
* Cutting the development of our own armed forces (for all the hell Carter catches about this, he at least started to ramp up spending towards the end of his term)

Am I missing something? (i.e., can I blame Carter for not being stronger against OPEC?) Was Carter remotely as bad as what we're looking at over the next few years?

Posted by: AD at April 10, 2010 12:12 PM (kC2MF)

72 I predict the Russians will let us continue to use the base in Kygryzstan..for a price.

Posted by: steevy at April 10, 2010 12:12 PM (tVCIS)

73 Our friends are shunned and insulted, our enemies are doted upon and Islam doesn't promote violent jihad. The President of Poland dead too. I don't believe in coincidence. This is a massive reimperialism by Russia, not through overt force, but by acknowledgement by anyone with a sense of survival that the United States cannotwill not defend against aggression even against itself. This sorry half-baked Kenyan wetback is crippling America...ON PURPOSE! It isn't enough that hedoesn't believe in American exceptionalism, he knows Americans disagree. This is his new campaign, to destroy our advantages so that he can prove his vision of America. As with the healthcare program, he can run around the country and say how right he is and what a bunch of idiots we were for not believing him in the first place.

Posted by: Starbanker at April 10, 2010 12:12 PM (aUP76)

74 70 Well, he is the horned one's goofy, incompetent sidekick -- that's got to be good for a favor or two.

Posted by: unknown jane at April 10, 2010 12:12 PM (5/yRG)

75
So, how does everyone like this game of 11-dimensional chess so far?

Posted by: Dang Straights at April 10, 2010 12:12 PM (67pfW)

76 The Russians causing trouble again. Gee -whoda thunk it. Did anybody really believe we would ever join hands and sing kumbaya? Fucking Ruskies are the eternal enemy - and should be regarded as such. All this just goes to show that we should have taken our opportunity to nuke them into the stone age back in the late 40s. If the traitorous, commie-loving douche Truman hadn't been in charge, and if Patton hadn't been murdered by our own government, maybe things could have been done properly. Alas, no such luck. Now we're stuck with them mucking up the works once again. And once again we get to sit back and wait for the Russians to do what they always do - screw up and leave the world a worse place. They should have been broken up into 50 little muskovite duchies long ago and left to war among each other. Hell, we'd have been better off if we'd let the Nazis depopulate them a little more, or even take over for a while. Fewer people, in total,might have died.

Posted by: Reactionary at April 10, 2010 12:13 PM (4nbyM)

77 So, how does everyone like this game of 11-dimensional chess so far?

Checkmate, Barry.

Posted by: Mr. Vladimir Spock, Science Officer at April 10, 2010 12:14 PM (AZGON)

78
Sarah Palin talks funny!

Posted by: MSM at April 10, 2010 12:14 PM (QZA9F)

79 PEACE THROUGH STRENGTH + TRUST, BUT VERIFY

Posted by: Sparky at April 10, 2010 12:15 PM (r0u40)

80 76 No, no...can't say as though I do.

Posted by: unknown jane at April 10, 2010 12:15 PM (5/yRG)

81 Its obvious that the communists infiltrated the journalism schools. Todays MarxistSpewers would probably bristle at any thought that they were members of the communist party but they push all major points. Obama is what he is, but 80-90% of the media in the U.S. is guilty of treason for selling him to the masses they way they did.

Posted by: PaleRider at April 10, 2010 12:16 PM (9xR02)

82 Editor, what kind of trouble have you and ncj gotten into since you've been there?
Posted by: Blazer at April 10, 2010 12:06 PM (t72+4)
Newsbreak: Editor arrives in Hawaii. Island tips over. One too many people.

Posted by: conscious, but hungover at April 10, 2010 12:17 PM (YVZlY)

83 Called it!

Posted by: Joe Biden at April 10, 2010 12:19 PM (kC2MF)

84 Someone with pant creases that perfect cannot be incompetent!

Posted by: David Brooks at April 10, 2010 12:19 PM (tVCIS)

85 I blame Carter for the overthrow of the Shah. Iran going radical islamofacists didn't help us and harmed the entire area. I always thought it was just that he lost his presidency in part to the hostage taking that occured because the shar fell because Carter was appalled at the Shah's secret police. I'm also not nuts about losing Panama. Why would we give that away?
I agree that Obama is f-ing things far worse and with more purpose.

Posted by: dagny at April 10, 2010 12:19 PM (UaT92)

86 Easy Bake probably already sold our anti-tipping technology to the Chinese.

Posted by: eman at April 10, 2010 12:19 PM (QZA9F)

87 >>Like his much-vaunted but invisible "intelligence," where are Barry's
mad negotiation skillz in his sorry, carpetbagging career?<<
Whoa! Hold on there. You're totally forgetting the "Beer Summit".

And what about the way Obama handled that paragon of integrity, Bart Stupak.

Posted by: SlaveDog at April 10, 2010 12:20 PM (W+E+o)

88 I'm also not nuts about losing Panama.

Oh yeah, forgot about that one.

Posted by: AD at April 10, 2010 12:21 PM (kC2MF)

89 82 The masses are guilty of being incredibly daft then. Seriously, you can't be led by the nose unless you allow yourself to be -- the majority of this country finally up and decided they no longer like being a free people living in a powerful country. Of that majority, a large number of them chose to do this because it was "hip" and "cool", and they were more interested in their Crackberry apps, their diet pills,and how Brad and Angies'relationship was going -- they looked up long enough to see the tv screen flash "W was a square! this guy is the bomb!", smiled, nodded their heads, and turned back to their reality shows and fashion mags. La di da, easy as pie, simple as that.
Wonder if the dolts realize that there are some individual consequences to choosing this route?

Posted by: unknown jane at April 10, 2010 12:23 PM (5/yRG)

90 89 Bubba sped up the turnover too.Quid pro quo for the Chinese campaign contributions.

Posted by: David Brooks at April 10, 2010 12:24 PM (tVCIS)

91 He successfully "negotiated" a climb all the way to the White House.Almost like Satan was his campaign manager....

An important point: Winning an election is not negotiation. While I see the sarcasm, it is necessary we understand that like nearly everything about this jug-eared, injection-molded plastic politician and the leftard outlook, it rests on fantasy. Over and over Barry repeated how he could sit down at the table with anybody (the important anybody being serious enemies) and talk his way to a successful outcome. There was no evidence of this in his career, and he hasn't done so yet as Pezzydent Precious.

The very first time where he had to choose between "guns a-blazing" and negotiation was the pirate incident last year. His approach failed utterly. The evidence was the situation ending with dead pirates as it only could have done.

He couldn't manage a negotiation with a handful of desperate Ethiopians in motorboats. Yet we are expected to believe he can talk an entire government of Islamic nutjobs out of building nukes.

We were told this noxious gasbag was brilliant, worldly, intelligent, post-racial, persuasive to a fault. He has not displayed one of those qualities yet. Don't hold your breath that he will, either.

Posted by: George Orwell at April 10, 2010 12:26 PM (AZGON)

92 Now, mind experiment.
At this time in history, who is the greater threat to the existance of the US, and Western Ideals... Russia? or Islam?
Russia is an enemy, but a Rational enemy. They understand RealPolitik, and as shown in the Cold War, play the game by the same basic set of rules as the West.
Islam is not rational by modern Western Standards. Their Holy Book calls for the world to burn, and everyone else to die or be enslaved. As a TransNational movement who uses Terrorist groups, they do NOT play by the same rules as the West.
Now, Russia is also being hit by Islamic Terrorists. Is this a time to understand the basic premise that the Enemy of my Enemy, while not being a Friend, can be an Ally?

Posted by: Romeo13 at April 10, 2010 12:26 PM (OlHjR)

93 What a fucking idiot that clown [Obie] is. Nothing else to say.

Posted by: Son of a Pig and a Monkey at April 10, 2010 12:28 PM (VJkVW)

94 America under the Indonesian Imbecile:
Worst Friend, Best Enemy

Posted by: progressoverpeace at April 10, 2010 12:29 PM (N49h9)

95 76 - It sucks, when we have a naive, sheltered, shadow Communist moving the pieces.

Say what we will about Putin......he's a vicious, unsavory character, but at least he seems to want to advance the cause of his country.

Putin is Hannibal Lecter, Obama is Pee Wee Herman....

Posted by: crowsting at April 10, 2010 12:30 PM (hhFO0)

96 From a commenter at HA (wish it had been me)

"The unruly kids of the world are having a field day under the substitute teachers watch."

Posted by: pep at April 10, 2010 12:31 PM (0K3p3)

97 93 They are being hit yes.They also started and empowered and continue to support Islamic terrorists in the Middle East.Not to mention supporting the great enabler of terror Iran.

Posted by: steevy at April 10, 2010 12:32 PM (tVCIS)

98
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Posted by: Dang Straights at April 10, 2010 12:12 PM (67pfW)




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Posted by: Barack Obama at April 10, 2010 12:32 PM (t72+4)

99 Funny, scary world leaders don't listen to MSNBC 24/7 or absorb the NYT every morning in the coffee shop, hence they don't grasp how great obama really is

Posted by: dagny at April 10, 2010 12:33 PM (UaT92)

100 Precedent James Earl Carter, III.

Posted by: bergerbilder at April 10, 2010 12:34 PM (S1Ttj)

101 Say what you will about McCain's being too moderate, he UNDERSTANDS totalitarian regimes, having been imprisoned by one for 5 years. He was interrogated by people with the totalitarian mindset. The idea that totalitarians can be dealt with with an open hand as opposed to a closed fist is just stupid.

Posted by: nerdygirl at April 10, 2010 12:36 PM (iyyNK)

102 Saying the Russians want to force the US out of Kyrgyzstan is like saying that water is wet. They have *always* held this position. Most Kyrgyz are not opposed to US, but sure do wish we would stand up for them every now and again.

Posted by: flashoverride at April 10, 2010 12:37 PM (EwE2i)

103 There is no hope for getting Russia to support us in reining in Iran, they know Obama will take any crap they dish out.

Posted by: nerdygirl at April 10, 2010 12:38 PM (iyyNK)

104 Was BO in Russia to sign some treaty when the accident with the Polish president's plane occurred?

Posted by: curious at April 10, 2010 12:40 PM (p302b)

105 Now, Russia is also being hit by Islamic Terrorists. Is this a time to understand the basic premise that the Enemy of my Enemy, while not being a Friend, can be an Ally?
Posted by: Romeo13 at April 10, 2010 12:26 PM (OlHjR)
Um, because they are using Iran against us numbskull? The Russians are using your premise and have decided that the enemy that want to ally with is the Iranians.

Posted by: buzzion at April 10, 2010 12:41 PM (oVQFe)

106 .Moscow Pushing New Kyrgyz Government to Evict U.S.; Obama Rendered Impotent By Dreams of Nuclear Legacy

Can't say that it won't happen, but skeptical that it will happen. That country was already previously in bed with the Soviets. Suspect, therefore, that they have sense enough to recognize when they would be jumping out of a frying pan into a fire. Although it's unsettling to realize that the short-sighted Obama Administration might base their diplomacy precisely on that miscalculation.

Posted by: Dianne & Brian at April 10, 2010 12:43 PM (ITzbJ)

107 104
There is no hope for getting Russia to support us in reining in Iran, they know Obama will take any crap they dish out.

B-b-b-buuut, he apologized for America and talked nice and subserviently to them and everything. (in Mr. Rogers voice) Why won't they be our neighbor?

Posted by: pep at April 10, 2010 12:43 PM (0K3p3)

108 29 eman," Well, it's a good thing Easy Bake is fighting the Russians and Chinese by resisting Communism in South America.

Um, wait a sec .... never mind."

You should be put in jail for saying that.

Posted by: Sean Penn at April 10, 2010 12:44 PM (iyyNK)

109 Put this in the completely shocked category:
Abdullah to visit US to talk peace process: Jordan's King set to urge Washington to pressure Israel, Palestinians. http://bit.ly/cgdv9a

Posted by: California Farmers at April 10, 2010 12:44 PM (YVZlY)

110 93 Russia is not our enemy persay, nor is it our ally -- and this is about a regional power grab (as mentioned already, Russia wants to control its near abroad; Putin wants to be a czar, a real one). Russia is seeing its opportunity to get what it wants on the back of America; they will not hesitate to do so (and yeah, they'd probably let us use the base, for a very high price).
The trick has always been to have Russia working with you under the table, while at the same time denying them the things they want the most; very few presidents have managed this well (Reagan was perhaps one of the best). This, this unprecedent is the worst (at least imho).

Posted by: unknown jane at April 10, 2010 12:45 PM (5/yRG)

111 It's a LONG time until 2012.

Posted by: Boots at April 10, 2010 12:45 PM (06JTY)

112 Although it's unsettling to realize that the short-sighted Obama Administration might base their diplomacy precisely on that miscalculation.
Posted by: Dianne Brian at April 10, 2010 12:43 PM (ITzbJ)
might??? You're kidding, right?

Posted by: conscious and not related to Dianne & Brian whoever the fuck they are at April 10, 2010 12:47 PM (YVZlY)

113 106 I tend to disagree -- the Russians do not trust the Iranians at all; Iran is useful to them for the time being. They will do whatever it takes to keep Iran as a thorn in the West's side...and to keep Iran tied up being that thorn.

Posted by: unknown jane at April 10, 2010 12:47 PM (5/yRG)

114 Although it's unsettling to realize that the
short-sighted Obama Administration might base their diplomacy precisely
on that miscalculation.

Posted by: Dianne Brian at April 10, 2010 12:43 PM (ITzbJ)
This treasonous administration doesn't know how to calculate anything. They are retards - which is the only good thing I can say about them, since that offers the only chance of the US surviving their tenure intact. This administration runs on empathy, idiocy, and a burning hate of the US and the West - not any sort of "calculation". When they try to "calculate" they end up with retarded, and historically embarrassing, moves like the "reset/overcharged" nuclear button (which people still reference without breaking into hysterics, somehow).What sort of administration is unable to translate a simple word into the language of the only nation on Earth capable of physically annihilating us? This is beyond retarded insanity. We are into a whole new level of malevolent stupidity with these slugs.

Posted by: progressoverpeace at April 10, 2010 12:48 PM (N49h9)

115 "Avid sportsman and outdoorsman ,ex-KGB agent, sambo and judo expert"

As has been said elsewhere, Putin is a real-life amalgam of every villain from every action movie made between 1981 and 1987. That would be funny rather than terrifying if we had, say, the good-guy equivalent on our side rather than what we're stuck with.

Posted by: Dave J. at April 10, 2010 12:49 PM (DCQ0q)

116 That would be funny rather than terrifying if we had,
say, the good-guy equivalent on our side rather than what we're stuck
with.

Posted by: Dave J. at April 10, 2010 12:49 PM (DCQ0q)
I play a mean game of checkers. Uh, eleven dimensional checkers!

Posted by: JoBarack Obama at April 10, 2010 12:54 PM (bgcml)

117 114,
Well yeah. That's kind of my point. They may not like the Iranians but they've assisted them in their nuke program and have done everything they could to undermine the efforts to stop that program. Romeo was making some claim about how the Russians would be our allies against them. I'm pointing out the reality that they obviously are not, and in the game of allying with the US or Iranians in this they're picking Iran. And nothing so far has changed that.

Posted by: buzzion at April 10, 2010 12:54 PM (oVQFe)

118 Aw geezez, get real. Russia has been this country's enemy (per se) for more than a century. They, themselves, and their proxies have been killing Americans and they've been trying to humiliate this country since before the turn of the last century. I suspect that it's a penis envy thing.

Posted by: Dianne & Brian at April 10, 2010 12:55 PM (ITzbJ)

119 118 Well, if push came to shove, and Iran got too carried away with itself, then I don't think you'd see Russia standing in the way of its destruction (they wouldn't overtly do anything, because of China, but covertly -- they probably already do).
They aren't really "picking" Iran -- far from it. It is in the Russian's best interest (to the Russian mind, at least imho)to keep Iran busy and dangle them in front of the West. That's hardly choosing to side with them.

Posted by: unknown jane at April 10, 2010 01:00 PM (5/yRG)

120 75% muslim that country is.

Posted by: LtE113 at April 10, 2010 01:14 PM (3NFq/)

121 About now Obama should have a staffer check to see if Medvedev put a Kick Me
sign on his back.

Posted by: Neo at April 10, 2010 01:19 PM (tE8FB)

122 118
And why are the choosing Iran? Because they see US running Spec Op "Training" mission in Georgia. They see US getting agreements to build Radar Sites on their Borders. They see US building huge Air Bases within flight distance of their Homeland.
Tell me, what would be the US response if they were "Training" the Mexican Army? Or building AntiMissle Radar sites in Canada?
We've been poking our finger in the Bear's eye for a number of years... of COURSE they are going to respond... especialy when they can get Iran to pay Hard Currency for the privelege of distracting the US.
However, with the recent upsurge of bombings in Russia, we MAY have an opportunity to convince them that Islam is the CURRENT greater threat.
But that would be playing Chess, while our leaders in Washington are not even sure of the rules of Checkers.

Posted by: Romeo13 at April 10, 2010 01:21 PM (OlHjR)

123 We Americans, in our Hubris after the fall of the Sov Union, not only
got some of the countries in this area as allies, but actualy built
airbases and ran Military Ops in some of them (see Georgia).

It's not hubris to spread Civilization Freedom, it's a Necessity. See Civ#, Al Queda, all of history, barbarians come from un-Civilized territory.

Fuck the Russians, Most murderous thugocracy in the history of democide (60+M USSR), 2nd most evil, imperialist ideology in history (100+M Communism, #1 with a bomb vest = Islam = 250+M corpses over 1300 years).

Posted by: Dave at April 10, 2010 01:25 PM (vOVJX)

124 Man, I'm missing Jimmy Carter like crazy right now.

Posted by: jwpaine at April 10, 2010 01:36 PM (g4J4S)

125 romeo,
i agree with your statement....
would the US be up in arms if russia or china were building radar installations or air bases in canada or mexico? unequivocally yes.

Posted by: turtle at April 10, 2010 01:41 PM (0zfbf)

126 But that would be playing Chess, while our leaders
in Washington are not even sure of the rules of Checkers.

Posted by: Romeo13 at April 10, 2010 01:21 PM (OlHjR)

Actually, I think our leaders are playing a very different game: Dream Date.

Posted by: jwpaine at April 10, 2010 01:49 PM (g4J4S)

127 124

Flawed premist... Al Q spawned from supposedly civilized Saudi Arabia.
Al Q is NOT barbaric, they havea very controlled system of Laws, and culture.... one which is incompatable with the West, and sees Western Freedoms as a direct threat.
This meme is one of the reasons the West is having so much of a problem with them. We consider them Barbaric and irrational, and so instead of combating the REAL cause (which is Islam itself), we try to treat Jihadists as outliers, instead of what they really are, which are Fundamentalists.
Oh, and in my opinion, it is Hubris to think we can free the entire world... the world must Free itself, or we will destroy ourselves (and may have) trying to do too much.

Posted by: Romeo13 at April 10, 2010 01:51 PM (OlHjR)

128 118
And why are the choosing Iran? Because they see US running Spec Op "Training" mission in Georgia. They see US getting agreements to build Radar Sites on their Borders. They see US building huge Air Bases within flight distance of their Homeland.

News Flash: We had SAC Bases and ICBM Sites in a ring around the Soviets long before they went bankrupt; e.g., Greenland, Norway, Turkey, Alaska, to name a few. (Never mind our nuclear missle submarines, and never mind superb U.S., Britishand West German ground forces in western Europe with superb leadership that made Soviet generalslook like theThree Stooges. The Russians haven't fielded an army in a major conflict in 65 years. Consequently they don't have any competent, battle-teasted officers or nco's, as was evidenced by the extent to which they had their asses handed to them in Afganistan.)

Posted by: Dianne & Brian at April 10, 2010 01:57 PM (ITzbJ)

129 What was the deal with Vlad visiting cindy's pal hugo?

Posted by: curious at April 10, 2010 02:04 PM (p302b)

130 Posted by: Dianne Brian at April 10, 2010 01:57 PM (ITzbJ)

That's very true. The US having military bases, nuclear missiles and forward positioning close to Russia (or the USSR, at the time) is nothing new.

Russia is picking Iran just because it's there and provides an income stream to Russia, in addition to being a proxy for war (a cold war, again) against the West. In addition, Russia benefits from a destabilized middle east, as higher oil prices are the key to Russia's overall solvency and ability to project power - beyond what it's nuclear arsenal stands for.

Posted by: progressoverpeace at April 10, 2010 02:26 PM (N49h9)

131 Russia and Iran have had an incestuous relationship with each other going back to the Crimean War. Even when the Shah was in power in Iran, our State Department was wary of their influence on each other.

Posted by: Dianne & Brian at April 10, 2010 02:34 PM (ITzbJ)

132 129
Oh... please continue to preach to someone who used to play tag with the Soviet Fleet, about the power of the Soviet Union.
The Soviet Union HAD the near abroad. Every situation you mention, except Alaska where there is a bit of an Ocean in the way, was not directly on the Sov Union border... and this is EXACTLY what Putin in trying to regain.
As to their combat readiness? Not really germain to the game of realpolitik which Putin is playing, because the US cannot afford (with two wars already ongoing, and a horrible economy about to implode further due to debt ) a direct military confrontation.
Putin sees this... we are overextended.

Posted by: Romeo13 at April 10, 2010 02:43 PM (OlHjR)

133 RESET RESET RESET !!!

Posted by: President Foreskin at April 10, 2010 02:59 PM (EL+OC)

134 Consider if you will: you are a U.S. President, and your goal is to undermine the very foundations of the country in order to destroy its preeminent position in the world economically, morally, and militarily.

So, exactly what would you do to achieve this goal while simultaneously maintaining enough support to hold office through your term? Specifically, what would you do differently than Obama has done?

Posted by: Adjoran at April 10, 2010 03:00 PM (3hg5M)

135 Yeah, Romeo, you're the expert here on geopolitics. Like we needed to be on the border of the USSR to launch bombers, troop transportsand missles over the North Pole. You ditz. LOL
BTW, our economy is a long way from "imploding" andand our military isnot "overextended". Geezez. LOL

Posted by: Dianne & Brian at April 10, 2010 03:05 PM (ITzbJ)

136 Do Russian wominz shave their armpits?

Posted by: Barbarian at April 10, 2010 03:05 PM (EL+OC)

137
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Posted by: freedom at April 10, 2010 03:21 PM (a7Uk8)

138 BTW, FYI, Romeo, the last time that I looked at a map, Turkey was on the border with the Soviet Union. But then, maybe they've moved since the last time that I looked at a map of Turkey.

Posted by: Dianne & Brian at April 10, 2010 03:24 PM (ITzbJ)

139 It must be terrible to take oneself so seriously, to desire so strongly to be remembered with reverence, only to find oneself the laughingstock of the entire universe. God help us because Obama will undoubtedly try to take us down in flames when he goes.

Posted by: katya at April 10, 2010 03:44 PM (GO0aJ)

140 But, we were told that if we elected a leftist minority all the world would love us!! There would be peace and no war and no power struggles!

Anyone who voted for Obama is either a knowing traitor, knowing that they elected an anti-American socialist, or else they are simply a jackass. Even if they regret it now, that just means they are jackasses that have become self aware.

PS Being a jackass is no excuse for treason. Regret after the fact doesn't make it forgivable.

Posted by: Smarty at April 10, 2010 03:50 PM (e0Iiu)

141 @8: "Avid sportsman and outdoorsman ,ex-KGB agent, sambo and judo expert"
Dude, wanna tone down the racism some?

Posted by: How dare you say "Niggardly" at April 10, 2010 04:03 PM (8MuSQ)

142 Laura: thanks for the laugh. It's been a tough week. Been down in the dumps ever since I've had to admitthat our President is not an athlete, even though he's a black man.

Posted by: Moron at April 10, 2010 04:09 PM (2h3VW)

143 @20: "Reagan's unbendingwill"
*ahem*

Posted by: Beirut at April 10, 2010 04:10 PM (8MuSQ)

144 So Obozo can say he has no bases to continue in Afghanistan. WOW, who didn't see this coming ...

Putin has been pushing the resurrection of the Soviet Union.

Posted by: bill-tb at April 10, 2010 04:32 PM (y+QfZ)

145 Putin has been pushing the resurrection of the Soviet Union.

Posted by: bill-tb at April 10, 2010 04:32 PM (y+QfZ)
Not as much as the Indonesian Imbecile has.

Posted by: progressoverpeace at April 10, 2010 04:33 PM (N49h9)

146 That Senate vote on the Nuke treaty may be interesting...

Posted by: TexasJew at April 10, 2010 04:39 PM (ALokk)

147 On the plus side, Obizzle has guaranteed that someone else is finally worthy of Scipio Africanus' epitaph:
"Neither friend nor enemy can ever repay him in full."

Posted by: Fa Cube Itches at April 10, 2010 04:49 PM (8MuSQ)

148 136
Yeah, I guess those years I spent working at COMSUBPAC taught me nothing....
Funny how the ignorant, are the first to accuse others of stupidity... especialy when they don't know anything about those they are accusing...

Posted by: Romeo13 at April 10, 2010 04:55 PM (OlHjR)

149 If Russia did have a hand in this, it is because they sense a weakness in the Force. That weakness is Obama.

It is one thing to limit the circumstances that would cause us to respond with a nuclear weapon, IT IS ANOTHER TO BROADCAST THAT TO THE ENTIRE FUCKING WORLD!!!!!

I see only two sides in BHO's policies; he is either the stooopidest man to ever inhabit the White House, or he actually wants to turn our country into a Third World cesspool and doormat of the world.

Posted by: Pelayo at April 10, 2010 05:57 PM (C8qIl)

150
Flawed premist... Al Q spawned from supposedly civilized Saudi
Arabia.
AQ was started in Pakistan by the Yemeni OBL and the Egyptian Dr? AZ. They get their ideas a lot of recruits from the Saudi, Wahhabi, Qutb line. SA is certainly not civilized FFS they push school girls back into burning buildings to get burkhas.

Al Q is NOT barbaric, they havea very controlled system of Laws, and
culture.... one which is incompatable with the West, and sees Western
Freedoms as athe direct threat.
THEY are BARBARIANS, the most evil fuck runs each group right up to the #3 (currently unnamed due to Allahs inability to keep a cloud between them and the drones). You climb in the org. by doing wrong. Barbs thugs always rule by force they always attack Civ.This meme is one of the reasons the West is having so much of a
problem with them. We consider them Barbaric and irrational, and so
instead of combating the REAL cause (which is Islam itself), we try to
treat Jihadists as outliers, instead of what they really are, which are
Fundamentalists.

Even if what we're doing now doesn't work it has to be tried 1st. Propose a better solution if Islam is the problem.

Oh, and in my opinion, it is Hubris to think we can free the entire
world... the world must Free itself, or we will destroy ourselves (and
may have) trying to do too much.
Hubris - excessive pride or self-confidence; arrogance.

What's excessive, we knocked 2 evil regimes right over are on the way to turning them into democracies. I'm not saying free the entire world, I'm saying do what good men Necessarily Must esp. re. AQ.
my original point was FUCK the Russians, If they'd been anything
but thugs this or last century there'd be millions still alive. If they were going to be any help Iran wouldn't have a nuke program and the air-bridge to Afghanistan would run thru Russia.


Posted by: Dave at April 10, 2010 06:03 PM (vOVJX)

151
BTW, our economy is a long way from "imploding" andand our military isnot "overextended". Geezez. LOL Posted by: Dianne Brian

Yeah, LOL yourself. Implode? Five (ten?) years is a loooong way off.

Posted by: Pelayo at April 10, 2010 06:03 PM (C8qIl)

152 136
Yeah, I guess those years I spent working at COMSUBPAC taught me nothing....
Posted by: Romeo13 at April 10, 2010 04:55 PM (OlHjR)

Really??? Which building, which floor and what years?

Posted by: Dianne & Brian at April 10, 2010 07:01 PM (ITzbJ)

153 You'll be surprised to see what the Russians demanded from Obama after they showed him the photos they had of him and some plump gay guy at the bar and the motel.

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