New Mileage Standards. The Rebirth of the Trabi

What happens when vehicles we all drive are legislated out of existence?

Americans behind the wheel die.

According to a 2003 NHTSA study, when a vehicle is reduced by 100 pounds the estimated fatality rate increases as much as 5.63 percent for light cars weighing less than 2,950 pounds, 4.70 percent for heavier cars weighing over 2,950 pounds and 3.06 percent for light trucks. Between model years 1996 and 1999, these rates translated into additional traffic fatalities of 13,608 for light cars, 10,884 for heavier cars and 14,705 for light trucks.12

* A 2001 National Academy of Sciences panel found that constraining automobile manufacturers to produce smaller, lighter vehicles in the 1970s and early 1980s "probably resulted in an additional 1,300 to 2,600 traffic fatalities in 1993."13

Every. Goddamned initiative. Kills people.

Your son. Your daughter. Mine. The crash cage can only do so much against the inertia.

They are killing us with their rules. The rules we thought, when they initiated them, were intended to save lives.

No more.

And they do not care. At all.

Posted by: Dave In Texas at 09:24 PM



Comments

1 I don't care about no mileage since Obama buys my gas

Posted by: Peggy Joseph at April 01, 2010 09:27 PM (sYxEE)

2 Of course they don't care, DiT. Less people to support on Obamacare and all.

The rules will cost consumers an estimated $434 extra per vehicle in the
2012 model year and $926 per vehicle by 2016, the government said. But
the heads of the Transportation Department and Environmental Protection Agency said car
owners would save more than $3,000 over the lives of their vehicles
through better gas mileage."

$3,000? Not when they push the price of oil through the stratosphere.

Posted by: Kratos (missing from the side of Mt Olympus) at April 01, 2010 09:28 PM (otlXg)

3 Legislate my ride out of existence? Confiscate it more likely. I'm already driving a '92 and loving every minute of it! They have no idea how long I hold on to a car.

Posted by: RushBabe at April 01, 2010 09:28 PM (LKkE8)

4 Put strict CAFE standards on limos and see how fast they run in to attach exemptions to it

Posted by: kbdabear at April 01, 2010 09:28 PM (sYxEE)

5 Find a mechanic-for-life.

They haven't outlawed "old cars" yet. And, if they did, they would be causing a deep shift towards "urban morons only."

Posted by: Al at April 01, 2010 09:29 PM (p/4OB)

6 Levin also made another great point (I think it's in his book as well): Increasing MPG does not make drivers save gasoline; it just encourages them to drive more while spending the same amount on fuel. So, more time on the road = higher probability of an accident.

Posted by: logprof at April 01, 2010 09:29 PM (Mmw0q)

7 Every time I see one of the Mini Coopers or VW Bugs on the road, I wonder how people can trust their lives to them. Not that my SUV would be that good in a crash with a semi, but, I might survive a crash with a pickup. I see bumpers on those things that are level with windshields on little cars.

Posted by: huerfano at April 01, 2010 09:30 PM (gLSaO)

8 Holy crap.

This is insane!

I got a daughter on the way and two sons that drive NOW!

Posted by: Mortis at April 01, 2010 09:30 PM (QjuDE)

9 #6 Increasing MPG does not make drivers save gasoline; it just encourages
them to drive more while spending the same amount on fuel. So, more
time on the road = higher probability of an accident.
Yes, yes, yes!

Posted by: Kratos (missing from the side of Mt Olympus) at April 01, 2010 09:30 PM (otlXg)

10 But won't these little cars capsize?

Posted by: mpfs at April 01, 2010 09:31 PM (QuP9W)

11 The rules we thought, when they initiated them, were intended to save lives.

Where'd you ever get that idea from? Dems never do anything to save lives, since that just drives up health care costs. Dead people are cheaper to insure and their voting skews almost exclusively Demoncrat. It's a win-win from the left's point of view.

Posted by: progressoverpeace at April 01, 2010 09:31 PM (N49h9)

12 8
I got a daughter on the way and
two sons that drive NOW!
You do? Congrats, Mortis.

Take the advice of Al and find yourself a mech for life.

Posted by: Kratos (missing from the side of Mt Olympus) at April 01, 2010 09:31 PM (otlXg)

13 10
But won't these little cars capsize?

Only islands do, mpfs.

Posted by: Kratos (missing from the side of Mt Olympus) at April 01, 2010 09:32 PM (otlXg)

14 All part of Obama's plan..

People are bad for the environment..

So there's this and death panels and Paul Krugman admitted to the past Sunday on ABC.

Posted by: Dave C at April 01, 2010 09:32 PM (qmecx)

15

You mean I have a really good chance of driving the last of the V-8 interceptors?

When I was a kid watching the Road Warrior, I never thought that it might actually come true in my lifetime. Hell two years ago I never dreamed it may come true in my lifetime.

Posted by: Blazer at April 01, 2010 09:32 PM (t72+4)

16 Would you rather have tires that save you a out 25 dollars a year in gas, or tires that stop when you want them to? The Gov't and car companies are already making this choice for you.

Posted by: bergerbilder at April 01, 2010 09:32 PM (S1Ttj)

17 Semi OT: Oil is now $85/barrel, a level not seen since the collapse of
the commodities bubble. Someone's not buying Obama's drilling BS.

Posted by: schizoid at April 01, 2010 09:33 PM (j8Gv0)

18 They are killing us with their rules. The rules we thought, when they
initiated them, were intended to save lives.

God love you wingnuts, let me put you some fucking knowledge.

Sure more people die in crashes but a jillion, literally a jillion people will die if we don't do something about Global Warming. Or Climate Change, whatever they call it now.

And a jillion people saved is a Big Fucking Deal.

Posted by: Joe Biden at April 01, 2010 09:34 PM (9B5OK)

19 Remember: Al Gore, James Cameron, Barack Obama, etc will continue to be chauffeured around in large SUV's--when they're not jetting around the world.

Remember medieval sumptuary laws? The Road to Serfdom, indeed.

Posted by: pst314 at April 01, 2010 09:35 PM (XP0Bd)

20 This is why my administration will require that all American vehicles in the future to be made out of balloons.

Posted by: Big Brain Barack Obama at April 01, 2010 09:36 PM (MMC8r)

21 Believe me, you guys are getting all worked up over nothing.

Posted by: Fred Flintstone at April 01, 2010 09:37 PM (N6HFm)

22 I'll think I'll be buying my new car very soon.

Posted by: Mrs. Compton at April 01, 2010 09:37 PM (NaJ/S)

23 I don't think this is a big f'in deal because I don't think we will be buying new cars in 6 years. It will be a little difficult to buy that 1million dollar car after massive inflation kicks in.

Posted by: RobD at April 01, 2010 09:38 PM (wGIVf)

24

DiT, you dont understand ,in the day we sweat it out in the streets of a runaway American Dream
At night we ride through mansions of glory in suicide machines.

Also, the highways are jammed with broken heroes on a last chance power drive.
Everybodys out on the run tonight but there's no place left to hide.


And thats just on the D.C. beltways during rush hour.

Posted by: Blazer at April 01, 2010 09:38 PM (t72+4)

25 skechers shape ups shoes skechers shape ups shoes.wholesale mlb jerseys wholesale mlb jerseys MLB jerseysMLB jerseys Our online shop sales GHD range of GHD Hair Straighteners products. If you are buying GHD Straighteners and Ghd flat iron online through the internet, then we will give you more discounts.In addition, free postage. MBT shoesmbt shoes Shop for high quality wholesale GHD hair straighteners and ghd MK4 products on DHgate and get worldwide delivery. Buy Chinese cheap GHD hair straighteners wholesale producted from China wholesale supplies. chi chiJordan Shoes,Nike Air Jordan Shoes,50% Off,Free shipping to USA,Canada,Western Europe,Australia,Fast delivery,Non-tax,Money back gurantee,buy them now! This website sells reebok easytone. Reebok easy tone is the best pair of your all shoes,you can make a purchase for reebok easytone shoes online.I guarantee you will be fond of reebok easy tone shoes.shape ups shoes wholesale shape ups shoes wholesaleOur website mainly wholesale mbt shoes, where you can buy a variety of cheap mbt shoes.You can make a purchase online and buy mbt shoes with free shipping.At the same time,you will enjoy more discount.reebok wholesale reebok wholesale tory burch tory burch vibram five fingers vibram five fingers Welcome to our nfl jerseys wholesale,there are many nfl jerseys.you can make a purchase for cheap nfl jerseys.Our nfl jerseys wholesaler will provide discount nfl jerseys for you. christianlouboutinbooties is a professional store sells christian louboutin shoes with the best quality and the lowest price. Buy christian louboutin shoes from us, you can get all styles and all colorways of all christian louboutin boots. mlb trade rumors mlb trade rumors reebok hockey reebok hockey skechers designs skechers designs

Posted by: tomic at April 01, 2010 09:39 PM (czxnD)

26 I can't drive 55.

Literally. My anemic 1.2L Obama Motors Shitbox taps out at 47 mph.

Posted by: Sammy Hagar, 2016 at April 01, 2010 09:39 PM (N6HFm)

27 I'll think I'll be buying my new car very soon.
Me too, in Cuba!! They're still driving American cars from the 1940s and 50s!! Get my Candian cousin's passport and head to Havana, bet I could find a mechanic for life that would be happy to stow in the car instead of hitting a raft in shark infested water to escape to Florida.

Posted by: tank at April 01, 2010 09:40 PM (y3seB)

28 Here ya go. Two modern, well engineered vehicles. The only difference is the size. http://bit.ly/bzpA9N

Posted by: Countrysquire at April 01, 2010 09:40 PM (wyLdL)

29 #26 Literally. My anemic 1.2L Obama Motors Shitbox taps out at 47 10 mph.

FIFY, Mr. Hagar.


Posted by: Kratos (missing from the side of Mt Olympus) at April 01, 2010 09:40 PM (otlXg)

30 blazer, heh.

Posted by: Dave in Texas at April 01, 2010 09:41 PM (Wh0W+)

31 Have you seen that little pod car that GM is developing?At least cleanup after an accident will be easy.

Posted by: steevy at April 01, 2010 09:41 PM (rrY+H)

32 I can see the mechanic and rebuild business benefitting nicely from this.

Posted by: robtr at April 01, 2010 09:41 PM (fwSHf)

33 "Red Barchetta" by Rush anyone?

Posted by: Hoss Fuentes at April 01, 2010 09:41 PM (D+qJI)

34 They haven't outlawed "old cars" yet. And, if they did, they would be
causing a deep shift towards "urban morons only."

The annual tailpipe emissions checks are enough to crush out any carburetor-fed vehicles already. The outlawing of "non-green" old cars is coming, and soon.

In Dallas, the EPA keeps telling city leaders that their air is not clean enough

Dallas leaders choose to dilute their numbers by including surrounding Rural counties, even if they don't share an actual, physical border with them, by claiming that most of the rural county residents commute to the big city anyway.

We have been fighting this for years. What absolute horseshit.

Posted by: TXMarko at April 01, 2010 09:41 PM (zYx/c)

35 1987 called, it wants its car back!

Posted by: Andy Bernard at April 01, 2010 09:41 PM (Mmw0q)

36 Get the damn government out of my life and leave me alone.
I'm not in a very good mood after spending hours on my 1040 and I'm still not done. Then comes the state forms to fill out and more money to throw down a rat hole. Just shoot me.

Posted by: Ronster at April 01, 2010 09:42 PM (Xu6d3)

37 Anyway so what if more people die including children?People are ruing the plantet anyway aren't they??

Posted by: steevy at April 01, 2010 09:42 PM (rrY+H)

38 I don't see a problem with dying in a small car.

Posted by: James Dean at April 01, 2010 09:42 PM (nxUYP)

39 The rules we thought, when they initiated them, were intended to save
lives.

With all due respect, I never bought that crap for a second.

Posted by: Soap MacTavish at April 01, 2010 09:42 PM (554T5)

40 Get my Candian cousin's passport and head to Havana
Just grow a mullett, the mullett is accepted world wide as a canadian passport.

Posted by: robtr at April 01, 2010 09:42 PM (fwSHf)

41 Also, if these new cars are using 30% less fuel, that means 30% less tax revenue for the government. I'm guessing they'll fix that litle problem too.

Posted by: Countrysquire at April 01, 2010 09:43 PM (wyLdL)

42 Hitting Libs in tiny Smart Cars with my huge Hummer grill will be fun.
Bring a squeegee.

Posted by: TexasJew at April 01, 2010 09:43 PM (UUTHH)

43 Or even a big one.

Posted by: Jayne Mansfield. at April 01, 2010 09:43 PM (nxUYP)

44 Here ya go. Two modern, well engineered vehicles. The
Too lazy to get it, but the video of sedans vs "smart" cars is a better one (from about a year ago i think)

Posted by: dudeinsantacruz at April 01, 2010 09:43 PM (NA7sd)

45 15 It's more like the Rush song Red Barchetta.....

Posted by: steevy at April 01, 2010 09:43 PM (rrY+H)

46
Leftists jerk off dreaming of turning the U.S. into Cuba. And there is no place we can escape to on a floatified '71 Camaro.

Posted by: Atomic Roach at April 01, 2010 09:43 PM (Oxen1)

47 I just looked up my Jeep. Gross weight 4,950. Curb weight 3,648. What's the difference?

Posted by: Peaches at April 01, 2010 09:44 PM (9Wv2j)

48 Next they will mandate windmills in every yard to generate electricity to run our households. When we go out to eat, we will be fined double the price of any deemed unhealthy food. We will be pulling little red wagons around to save the environment because gas is too expensive. The Twilight Zone is getting more realistic every day. It is scary but that's there motive. Humor, parody, mockery etc. will "punch them down" to use an over-used phrase.

Posted by: Barbarosa at April 01, 2010 09:44 PM (vLwYg)

49 Or even in a fast one.

Posted by: Dale Earnhardt at April 01, 2010 09:44 PM (nxUYP)

50 Oh, this is good. From the article:

Each auto company will have a different fuel-efficiency target, based on its mix of vehicles. Automakers
that build more small cars will have a higher target than car companies
that manufacture a broad range of cars and trucks. For example,
passenger cars built by General Motors Co. will need to hit a target of 32.7 mpg in 2012 and increase to 36.9 mpg by 2016. Honda Motor Co., meanwhile, will need to reach passenger car targets of 33.8 mpg in 2012 and ramp up to 38.3 mpg in 2016.

Gee, what a shocka - Obama Motors has a lower standard than Honda! Nooooo, no politics there, noooo.....

Posted by: chemjeff at April 01, 2010 09:44 PM (Gk/wA)

51 33 Oops Hoss already went there.Seriously that song is prophetic.

Posted by: steevy at April 01, 2010 09:44 PM (rrY+H)

52 41
Also, if these new cars are using 30% less fuel, that means 30% less tax
revenue for the government. I'm guessing they'll fix that litle
problem too.
Didn't CA have some plan to tax people based on how much they drove because so many people were buying more fuel-efficient cars?

Posted by: Kratos (missing from the side of Mt Olympus) at April 01, 2010 09:44 PM (otlXg)

53 The mileage tax is being talked about here in Nevada because gas taxes have tanked. If they can't get there tax one way they will get it another way.

Posted by: RobD at April 01, 2010 09:45 PM (wGIVf)

54 So, we're going for a zero-sum here?

All those people saved from terminal cases of "under-insured", all to kill of more people in the highways?

Brilliant!!

/Guinness

Posted by: Techie at April 01, 2010 09:45 PM (zbH+i)

55 I'll give up my Tahoe, when they pry your cold, dead Prius from under it.

Posted by: Unclefacts, Summoner of Meteors, Bacons, and Really Really Expensive Scotch at April 01, 2010 09:45 PM (erIg9)

56 The politicians made short-term mandates for increasing gas mileage that couldn't be engineered via the drive train in a sufficient time. So the auto makers made lighter cars to meet short-term mandates while working on other ways to meet those same goals.

We're going to see the same repeat in 2015. Sure, getting a more efficient drive train is market oriented, but when an artificial deadline is created they will have no choice but to once again strip weight off the vehicles that can be used to create a more effective safety cage.

The environmentalists: Making Gaia more important than you.

Posted by: David in San Diego at April 01, 2010 09:45 PM (/U/Mr)

57 I just looked up my Jeep. Gross weight 4,950. Curb weight 3,648.
What's the difference?

You better think about cutting back on the pastries at Starbucks.

Posted by: Ace's liver at April 01, 2010 09:45 PM (LtIsn)

58 I'm really going to buy that gas guzzling V-12 Mercedes Benz I've had my eye on. Why save the $? The gov't is gonna take it from me anyway.
Fuck em.

Posted by: mpfs at April 01, 2010 09:45 PM (QuP9W)

59 Next they will mandate windmills in every yard to generate electricity to run our households.
They shouldn't get on everyone's case about "global warming" then - see the windmills in (Minnesota, I think?) that didn't work half the time because it was to freakin' cold!

Posted by: tank at April 01, 2010 09:46 PM (y3seB)

60 Curb weight is empty. Gross weight is when it's full of ugly people.

Posted by: bergerbilder at April 01, 2010 09:46 PM (S1Ttj)

61 Didn't CA have some plan to tax people based on how much they drove because so many people were buying more fuel-efficient cars?
Posted by: Kratos (missing from the side of Mt Olympus) at April 01, 2010 09:44 PM (otlXg)
That was Oregon

Posted by: robtr at April 01, 2010 09:46 PM (fwSHf)

62
Leftists jerk off dreaming of turning the U.S. into Cuba. And there is no place we can escape to on a floatified '71 Camaro.

Posted by: Atomic Roach at April 01, 2010 09:43 PM (Oxen1)



At least Cubans still gets to drive 1950's cars with V-8's and manual transmissions.

No, they want to turn us into something worse than than Cuba. Someplace where we're all driving Le Cars.

Kill me now.

Posted by: Blazer at April 01, 2010 09:46 PM (t72+4)

63 62 We'll call you Le Blazer.

Posted by: steevy at April 01, 2010 09:47 PM (rrY+H)

64 Never mind, I looked it up. Curb weight is the vehicle with all the tanks filled, etc. Gross weight is the maximum weight it will carry. Guess that means I can put 1300 pounds of crap in it (including myself) and still be okay.

Posted by: Peaches at April 01, 2010 09:47 PM (9Wv2j)

65 Liberalism has murdered more human beings than all other ideologies or political forces in the history of humanity, combined. Every single leftist out there is bathed and soaked in so much blood that it becomes difficult to distinguish one from another.

Subhuman motherfuckers.

Posted by: The War Between the Undead States at April 01, 2010 09:49 PM (J+w3O)

66 The brakes are manufactured to stop safely at that max weight.

Posted by: mpfs at April 01, 2010 09:49 PM (QuP9W)

67 Oui Oui maybe in Paris.

Posted by: Princess Di at April 01, 2010 09:49 PM (nxUYP)

68 Relax, this is not a big fucking deal

Posted by: Joe Biden at April 01, 2010 09:49 PM (j4xgZ)

69 Didn't CA have some plan to tax people based on how much they drove because so many people were buying more fuel-efficient cars?

That was Oregon. It was a pilot study that didn't go anywhere. Yeah, people didn't take too kindly to having the government install meters in their car that would be able to determine how many miles they drove.

Posted by: chemjeff at April 01, 2010 09:49 PM (Gk/wA)

70 I drive a real brick of a dodge ram 1500 cargo van. I can tell people I run it on "alternative fuel." Propane.

Posted by: fb at April 01, 2010 09:49 PM (Bu9Jo)

71 NO BLOOD FOR OIL!!

Posted by: FUBAR at April 01, 2010 09:50 PM (1fanL)

72 Le Cars
Yugos too and how bout that new car in India - it's like a model car set my brothers used to get at Spencer's. ha,ha. Environmentalists went nuts - we wouldn't want the untouchables in India to be able to drive cars. Road Runner ACME car kits are coming.

Posted by: tank at April 01, 2010 09:50 PM (y3seB)

73 #69 That was Oregon. It was a pilot study that didn't go anywhere. Yeah,
people didn't take too kindly to having the government install meters in
their car that would be able to determine how many miles they drove.

There's some hope then, even for the Left Coast.

Posted by: Kratos (missing from the side of Mt Olympus) at April 01, 2010 09:50 PM (otlXg)

74 I slap a soldier and still die in a car crash.

Posted by: George S. Patton. at April 01, 2010 09:50 PM (nxUYP)

75 I just wonder how long it will be before they outlaw 'old' cars or mandate how many a family can own.

Posted by: Countrysquire at April 01, 2010 09:50 PM (wyLdL)

76 Sitting on my desk I have my 1040-V voucher form for what I owe the IRS, plus the damn Census form they keep mailing me. Now I'm reading I better buy a new car soon because the govt is converting everything into econo shit-box deathtraps. Awesome.

Hey government -- Just. Leave. Me. Alone.

Posted by: brak at April 01, 2010 09:51 PM (W5NBA)

77 @7

I had a Honda S2000 for a few years when I was in Arizona. Arizona being lifted-truck country, I was often reminded that in an accident I would make contact with the drivetrain under the truck, and not anything designed to actually mitigate the impact. The weight of either vehicle probably would have been of minimal additional importance.

Posted by: ef at April 01, 2010 09:51 PM (DD+LA)

78 I burn Andre Rison's house down and still die in a car crash.

Posted by: Lisa "Left Eye" Lopes at April 01, 2010 09:52 PM (nxUYP)

79 I wonder if some of the statistics are a bit self selecting, with sports cars, being generally driven at higher speeds/risks/stupidity, being more likely to get drivers into fatal accidents vice larger pickups and such that are driven in a more restrained manner. 911s in the hands of dentists come to mind. Most aren't killed by SUV collision, but by over-steer into object.

Case in point about safety, my STI is statistically more safe in an accident than my roommate's Blazer. Doesn't matter if one is unlucky or fails to keep it shiny side up.

Posted by: GeoSTI at April 01, 2010 09:52 PM (chyhr)

80 Is Congress exempt from this too?
If so, it does not matter. Proles are cheap and easily replacable.

Posted by: Rat Patrol at April 01, 2010 09:52 PM (dQdrY)

81 There's some hope then, even for the Left Coast.

Well, Oregon is the least socialist of the continental west coast states. Meaning that it is going to spontaneously implode last.

Posted by: chemjeff at April 01, 2010 09:52 PM (Gk/wA)

82 If the government REALLY cared about the enviroment and energy independence, it would be wiser to take some weight off of our fighting vehicles. Does an Abrams really need to be 60 tons? Nah, just cut some out! Do F-18s really need two engines? Nope! Imagine how much we could save!

Posted by: dudeinsantacruz at April 01, 2010 09:53 PM (NA7sd)

83 The EPA has done more to foster totalitarianism in this country than any other governmental entity, save the judiciary.

Posted by: Soap MacTavish at April 01, 2010 09:53 PM (554T5)

84 And yeah this is great too. Better fuel economy = less gas taxes for the states = states raising taxes other places. So we get shittier cars, more taxes, and more govt just so Joe Drain-on-society can get more "free" shit and these criminals in DC can get reelected.

I need to go cool down.

Posted by: brak at April 01, 2010 09:53 PM (W5NBA)

85 http://preview.tinyurl.com/cd8hqw

Posted by: Jean at April 01, 2010 09:53 PM (CPefM)

86
Another FDR idea that will be coming back is gas rationing. It's only fair that everyone get an equal amount of gas per week...like 2 gallons. Ride your bicycles, bitches.

Posted by: Atomic Roach at April 01, 2010 09:53 PM (Oxen1)

87 I drive a real brick of a dodge ram 1500 cargo van. I can tell people I run it on "alternative fuel." Propane.

Posted by: fb at April 01, 2010 09:49 PM (Bu9Jo)




I drive a Dodge 1500 SLT Laramie 4X4 Quad Cab with the 5.7 Hemi that gets about 14 city, 19 highway if I'm driving in my underwear.

However it does runs on alternative fuel.

Liberal tears.

Posted by: Blazer at April 01, 2010 09:54 PM (t72+4)

88 Fuck you Di! I was the first celebrity to die in a car crash in France.

Posted by: Grace Kelley at April 01, 2010 09:54 PM (nxUYP)

89 #81 Well, Oregon is the least socialist of the continental west coast
states. Meaning that it is going to spontaneously implode last.

Did not know that.

/In the end, there will be only chaos.

Posted by: Kratos (missing from the side of Mt Olympus) at April 01, 2010 09:54 PM (otlXg)

90 Does an Abrams really need to be 60 tons? Nah, just cut some out! Do
F-18s really need two engines? Nope! Imagine how much we could save!

don't give them any ideas!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: chemjeff at April 01, 2010 09:54 PM (Gk/wA)

91 The fact of the matter is that $25 of steel is more protection than $1800 of air bag. And air and water quality has been going up since the 1960's while waste treatment costs have gone down. It's the U.S. that's gonna tip over.

Posted by: alo89 at April 01, 2010 09:54 PM (Z6cMA)

92 82
If the government REALLY cared about the enviroment and energy
independence, it would be wiser to take some weight off of our fighting
vehicles.

What fighting vehicles?

Posted by: Future Obama Budgets at April 01, 2010 09:54 PM (J+w3O)

93 Remember, the Marxist wants to demobilize the population.

Posted by: Countrysquire at April 01, 2010 09:55 PM (wyLdL)

94 OOOOOOHHHHH OOOOOOOHHHHHH OOOOOOOHHHHH! Fucking car crash "wrecked" my career.

Posted by: Grace Kelley at April 01, 2010 09:55 PM (nxUYP)

95 Sorry Hoss, gotta have the classic

Posted by: Jean at April 01, 2010 09:56 PM (CPefM)

96 My new car gets 12-18 mpg and has a curb weight of 6000.

Fuck their mileage standards.

Posted by: AngelEm at April 01, 2010 09:56 PM (Aq93A)

97 66 Thanks, mpfs! I wasn't even thinking of that, but now that you mention it, being able to stop is a major consideration.

Posted by: Peaches at April 01, 2010 09:57 PM (9Wv2j)

98 94
Grace, you really are a selfish bitch. That was my post whore.

Posted by: Sam Kinison at April 01, 2010 09:57 PM (nxUYP)

99 It's going to be interesting how the leftists mandates to use less of everything is going to equate into more jobs.
I haven't figured out how that works.

Posted by: robtr at April 01, 2010 09:57 PM (fwSHf)

100 It's going to be interesting how the leftists mandates to use less of everything is going to equate into more jobs.
Someone's gotta go around to your house and make sure you're using less.

Posted by: HeatherRadish at April 01, 2010 09:58 PM (OkT2m)

101 It's going to be interesting how the leftists
mandates to use less of everything is going to equate into more jobs.
I haven't figured out how that works.

Posted by: robtr at April 01, 2010 09:57 PM (fwSHf)
Green jobs, that's how. Stupid.

Posted by: Van Jones at April 01, 2010 09:58 PM (1fanL)

102 #99 I haven't figured out how that works.
They don't either.

Posted by: Kratos (missing from the side of Mt Olympus) at April 01, 2010 09:58 PM (otlXg)

103 #99 I haven't figured out how that
works.They don't either.

Proctological mathematics?

Posted by: Hoss Fuentes at April 01, 2010 09:59 PM (D+qJI)

104 What fighting vehicles?
I thought the IRS needed something to enforce new taxes? *confused*

Posted by: dudeinsantacruz at April 01, 2010 09:59 PM (NA7sd)

105 Lightweight MOTORCYCLES got me safely through the last 25+ years, 300,000+ miles. But I'm special.

Posted by: ktnxbai at April 01, 2010 10:00 PM (z8RuR)

106 Well, we used to do all the mechanical work on our vehicles, and still do a lot of it -- but the new "rules" about buying parts and crap has seriously put a dent into that.
There's always the buggy; as long as we don't live too far away from work for that.

Posted by: unknown jane at April 01, 2010 10:00 PM (5/yRG)

107 They won't have to come to your house. Smart meters will be operated remotely.

Posted by: Rat Patrol at April 01, 2010 10:00 PM (dQdrY)

108 AT work some of the younger engineers want to convert an Ariel Atom run on propane - I'm thinking I might let them.

Posted by: Jean at April 01, 2010 10:02 PM (CPefM)

109 Green jobs, that's how. Stupid.
Posted by: Van Jones at April 01, 2010 09:58 PM (1fanL)
Our Governor Gregoire came out with a study saying the state has 70,000 green jobs now. 10,000 of them were bus drivers and 35,000 were electricians and 10,000 were carpenters. Only 2,600 of the green jobs required the worked to get special training or do anything differently than they did before they became green.
I don't think she really meant for anyone to read the actual study.

Posted by: robtr at April 01, 2010 10:02 PM (fwSHf)

110 So idea. Since CAFE is an average for the car maker, doesn't that mean that as luxury autos maintain their weight (or may grow), that the small cars must get much smaller with each iteration of CAFE? That makes the problem worse and worse each time.

Posted by: dudeinsantacruz at April 01, 2010 10:03 PM (NA7sd)

111 105
Lightweight MOTORCYCLES got me safely through the last 25+ years, 300,000+ miles. But I'm special.

Posted by: ktnxbai at April 01, 2010 10:00 PM (z8RuR)

Lemme know how that works out for you in my neighborhood, where it's common in the winter to wake up to four feet of snow overnight.

Posted by: Unclefacts, Summoner of Meteors, Bacons, and Really Really Expensive Scotch at April 01, 2010 10:03 PM (erIg9)

112 I don't think she really meant for anyone to read the actual study.
Since she probably didn't...

Posted by: dudeinsantacruz at April 01, 2010 10:04 PM (NA7sd)

113 ktnibai - we had a thread one night wherein we discovered that many of the male ONT posters had put down a motorcycle at one point in their lives.

Posted by: Jean at April 01, 2010 10:04 PM (CPefM)

114 Then Barry O'Bonkers and his Politburo will ride the ZIL-111!!!!

Posted by: LC LaWedgie at April 01, 2010 10:05 PM (kb0wl)

115 113
ktnibai - we had a thread one night wherein we discovered that many of
the male ONT posters had put down a motorcycle at one point in their
lives.


Posted by: Jean at April 01, 2010 10:04 PM (CPefM)

Been there, junk crunched that. I still don't like to think about it. Oy.

Posted by: Unclefacts, Summoner of Meteors, Bacons, and Really Really Expensive Scotch at April 01, 2010 10:06 PM (erIg9)

116 Smart meters will be operated remotely.

Someone has to inspect your trash to make sure you didn't put the #6 plastic with the #2 plastic, someone has to inspect your fridge to make sure there isn't any meat or dairy or sugar there, someone has to interview your children to make sure you aren't having a glass of wine more than once or twice a year...


Posted by: HeatherRadish at April 01, 2010 10:06 PM (OkT2m)

117 There will certainly be plenty of cars being sold then that don't meet the mileage requirements (you know, the ones people actually want to buy). I can onl imagine wht the 'gas guzzler' tax will be by then.

Posted by: Countrysquire at April 01, 2010 10:06 PM (wyLdL)

118 i actually had a clown car like this as my cop car in italy, a fiat punto
i asked the chief of the care bears what the hell they would do if they had to chase a bad guy in one of these
"joseph, why would i chase a stupid car, we have guns. we shoot like your grampma fucks, almost never, its ugly, but it works"
tony was a god

Posted by: navycopjoe at April 01, 2010 10:06 PM (gg4j2)

119 111 Admit to being a socal native, Unclefacts! And can you summon me some of that Scotch & bacon, please? The meteor can strike LaPuente, too.

Posted by: ktnxbai at April 01, 2010 10:06 PM (z8RuR)

120 I get carbon credits when I make you peons pull my rickshaws, bitches!

Posted by: Paris Hilton at April 01, 2010 10:06 PM (Mmw0q)

121 I bet this works out as an additional tax on us "breeders" who have more then 2 kids. I bet Holdren is involved.

Posted by: Jean at April 01, 2010 10:06 PM (CPefM)

122 Am I the only person that gets that "Hulk Smash" feeling whenever I see one of those 'Smart Cars'? Seriously, I just wanna head butt the damn things and see if I can total it.
They are the only car on the road that I don't worry about when I'm on my motorcycle, I figure between me and the bike we totally out mass them.
I think with the passing of HCR the Dems have to give up the facade of passing laws for our protection and betterment. It'd be a really funny joke if it wasn't making me so sad.

Posted by: Adam M at April 01, 2010 10:07 PM (4hY6l)

123 Been there, junk crunched that. I still don't like to think about it. Oy.
same here plus i can add a broadside by a new shiny jaguar, got a shiny new R6 out of it though
if someone even get a speck of dirt on my augusta though, there will be gunplay

Posted by: navycopjoe at April 01, 2010 10:08 PM (gg4j2)

124 we had a thread one night wherein we discovered that many of the male
ONT posters had put down a motorcycle at one point in their lives.

I did last Fall, for the first time. Broke my arm pretty bad, but I'm back in the saddle again. Way too much fun to give up.

Posted by: Soap MacTavish at April 01, 2010 10:09 PM (554T5)

125 Heather - my money is one a spectrometer on your gray water. Measure your transfats, lipids, sugars, etc - everything except narcotics, that will be protected by a privacy case.

Posted by: Jean at April 01, 2010 10:09 PM (CPefM)

126 Let me ask you something, you dumb motherfucker. Do you realize that these little cars are shorter than the other fuckingcars and trucks on the road?
Do you fucking understand what that means, dumbass?
It means you're below the other drivers and when you punch, you're fucking punchingup like you're supposed to!
Small cars are good. It's goddamned highway 101. Small cars = up punching. Is there one goddamned professional driver on this fucking blog?
THIS is why the Democrats are kicking your fucking asses.
Jesus. Do I relly need to explain this shit?

Posted by: Warden at April 01, 2010 10:10 PM (QoR4a)

127 113 - Yeah, had to put down more than one (they shoot horses, don't they?). Try the brisket, be here all week. No, seriously, folks, just "putting it down" due to cars sudden left turns oncoming, etc, and riding it home still, more than I can remember. It was that guy rushing his rent-a-boy back to Santa Monica Blvd who ran a red light through the intersection that totaled my first road bike. Happened to be riding it at the time.

Posted by: ktnxbai at April 01, 2010 10:11 PM (z8RuR)

128 ncj, mine was a brand new Yamaha FJ1200. Had a confused old lady back out in front of me, and I centerpunched her rear door nicely.

bike was a write off. I didn't walk proper for a week.

mmmmmm augusta, what model are you sporting now?

I've been bombing around this season on a vintage XJ1100 with a wiseco 1298 big bore kit in it, terrorizing the area on evening cruises.

Posted by: Unclefacts, Summoner of Meteors, Bacons, and Really Really Expensive Scotch at April 01, 2010 10:11 PM (erIg9)

129 make sure you aren't having a glass of wine more than once or twice a year...
Posted by: HeatherRadish at April 01, 2010 10:06 PM (OkT2m)
The recycle thing is fading. No one cares.
Another tax is more efficient than occasional fines.

Posted by: Rat Patrol at April 01, 2010 10:12 PM (dQdrY)

130 Heather - my money is one a spectrometer on your gray water. Measure your transfats, lipids, sugars, etc - everything except narcotics, that will be protected by a privacy case.
Posted by: Jean at April 01, 2010 10:09 PM (CPefM)
--Steyn made a great point on the radio the other day: Liberals are all for sexual liberty, because it provides a greatdistraction whilst robbing people of all their other liberities.

Posted by: logprof at April 01, 2010 10:12 PM (Mmw0q)

131 Good work Warden.

Posted by: Countrysquire at April 01, 2010 10:12 PM (wyLdL)

132 Clown cars will be the norm minus Ronald McDonald. Apparently he is a pedophile or something. What's up with that?
So, we all carpool in a Chevy Volt?

Posted by: Barbarosa at April 01, 2010 10:12 PM (vLwYg)

133 We have got to run down where else he posts so you can go chew his ass there, Warden.

Posted by: Jean at April 01, 2010 10:13 PM (CPefM)

134 well played warden, well played indeed motherfucker.

Posted by: Unclefacts, Summoner of Meteors, Bacons, and Really Really Expensive Scotch at April 01, 2010 10:14 PM (erIg9)

135 Clown cars will be the norm minus Ronald McDonald. Apparently he is a pedophile or something. What's up with that?
So, we all carpool in a Chevy Volt?
Posted by: Barbarosa at April 01, 2010 10:12 PM (vLwYg)
--Not a pedophile, just a fat and carbpusher.

Posted by: HHS Drone at April 01, 2010 10:14 PM (Mmw0q)

136 Posted by: Warden at April 01, 2010 10:10 PM (QoR4a)

I'm convinced by your cool, clear logic and dispassionate delivery. And your honeyed tongue.

Posted by: Van Jones at April 01, 2010 10:15 PM (1fanL)

137 I dropped a Hayabusa once. In a grass lawn, thankfully.

Posted by: fb at April 01, 2010 10:15 PM (Bu9Jo)

138 navycopjoe - A real, live MV Augusta, like Ago rode?

Posted by: ktnxbai at April 01, 2010 10:15 PM (z8RuR)

139
So, we all carpool in a Chevy Volt?

Posted by: Barbarosa at April 01, 2010 10:12 PM (vLwYg)

sure, as long you don't need to go more than say, 6.3 miles.

Posted by: Unclefacts, Summoner of Meteors, Bacons, and Really Really Expensive Scotch at April 01, 2010 10:16 PM (erIg9)

140 i got a 2010 F4 for my bday/xmas/anniversery/st val present
all black
it is.........awesome

Posted by: navycopjoe at April 01, 2010 10:16 PM (gg4j2)

141
--Not a pedophile, just a fat and carbpusher.

Posted by: HHS Drone at April 01, 2010 10:14 PM (Mmw0q)

That's much worse!

Posted by: Morally Confused Twit at April 01, 2010 10:17 PM (Bu9Jo)

142 138
navycopjoe - A real, live MV Augusta, like Ago rode?

Posted by: ktnxbai at April 01, 2010 10:15 PM (z8RuR)

I can haz 750four SS please?

Posted by: Unclefacts, Summoner of Meteors, Bacons, and Really Really Expensive Scotch at April 01, 2010 10:18 PM (erIg9)

143 140

i got a 2010 F4 for my bday/xmas/anniversery/st val present

all black

it is.........awesome

Posted by: navycopjoe at April 01, 2010 10:16 PM (gg4j2)

Yeah. You official suck. /jealous

Posted by: Unclefacts, Summoner of Meteors, Bacons, and Really Really Expensive Scotch at April 01, 2010 10:19 PM (erIg9)

144 ktnxbai- I put down a older honda in road sand coming down Millcreek Canyon (in Utah) at night - the bike caught fire and burned. The sheriff almost ran me over as I was sitting in the middle of the road watching it burn. I had been knocked down by a car while sitting at a red light earlier that week. I kinda gave'em up at that point.

Posted by: Jean at April 01, 2010 10:19 PM (CPefM)

145 XS1100s were teh awesome. What was the first bike someone tried to teach me to ride? Kawi H2. Yeah. OMG.

Posted by: ktnxbai at April 01, 2010 10:19 PM (z8RuR)

146 i got a 2010 F4 for my bday/xmas/anniversery/st val present

I thought they stopped building those around 1980?

Posted by: Sammy Hagar, 2016 at April 01, 2010 10:19 PM (N6HFm)

147 I give you, Giacomo Agostini and MV Agusta!

http://tinyurl.com/y8h7s82

Posted by: Unclefacts, Summoner of Meteors, Bacons, and Really Really Expensive Scotch at April 01, 2010 10:21 PM (erIg9)

148 I've been bombing around this season on a vintage XJ1100 with a wiseco 1298 big bore kit in it
sweet, i bet you are hitting 150db on it
I dropped a Hayabusa once. In a grass lawn, thankfully
damn, those things are HEAVY!!
MV Augusta, like Ago rode?
yep! my wife loves me

Posted by: navycopjoe at April 01, 2010 10:22 PM (gg4j2)

149 I thought they stopped building those around 1980?
That's another thing with two engines that didn't need 'em/

Posted by: dudeinsantacruz at April 01, 2010 10:23 PM (NA7sd)

150 They don't care. EVER SEE ANYONE IN CONGRESS IN ANYTHING LESS THAN A MAMMOTH SUV?

Posted by: GarandFan at April 01, 2010 10:24 PM (6mwMs)

151 What was the first bike someone tried to teach me to ride? Kawi H2. Yeah. OMG.
a massive suzuki 1600, i couldn't get it out of 2nd because it was terrifing me
wound up getting a honda vtr 250 as my first as away we went from there

Posted by: navycopjoe at April 01, 2010 10:25 PM (gg4j2)

152 145
XS1100s were teh awesome. What was the first bike someone tried to teach
me to ride? Kawi H2. Yeah. OMG.

Posted by: ktnxbai at April 01, 2010 10:19 PM (z8RuR)

XS11s are still monster bikes, mine's the later model XJ1100, same motor, Maxim bodywork and other bits. I had a wiseco 1298 big bore kit with carillo rods, crank by falicon, and some mid 80's GSXR slingshot carbs. In a straight line it's stupidly fast. Doesn't handle worth shit. Well it does handle, if you imagine you were riding say Rosie O'Donnel with under-inflated tires. And in a corner the shaft jack can make it buck hard enough that you wonder if you're going to ride her the full eight seconds. Other than that it's a peach.

Posted by: Unclefacts, Summoner of Meteors, Bacons, and Really Really Expensive Scotch at April 01, 2010 10:25 PM (erIg9)

153 The exact opposite of that bike buzzes through my neighborhood in the morning -- it is a scooter with two front wheels. It must be expensive or cool - because the guy riding it is styling an attitude.

Posted by: Jean at April 01, 2010 10:25 PM (CPefM)

154 150 also to add on, i believe they don't even pay for them, they are rentals paid for by the voters

Posted by: navycopjoe at April 01, 2010 10:27 PM (gg4j2)

155 So, what happens when you're coasting your Chevy Volt along and after 7 miles it goes kaput?Guaranteed Capitalism will rise to the scene and charge you x amount of $$ to jolt the battery. Or a taxi driver will benefit. Or someone with an entreprenurial spirit.
There will always be someone out there to make a buck which is the American way. We are not bred to be Socialists.
We had major flooding in Phx, Az in 1987. Cars were stalled all over the place due to water rising up to the door handle. Those that had trucks or more able vehicles offered to help the stalled cars but with a price attached. You can't blame them.

Posted by: Barbarosa at April 01, 2010 10:27 PM (vLwYg)

156 Ihave a 1972 Yamaha 250 dirt bike. Can I get in the cool club with that?

Posted by: Ronster at April 01, 2010 10:27 PM (Xu6d3)

157 sweet, i bet you are hitting 150db on it

yeah it has a vintage Kerker 4-1 header and megaphone on it, that may at one time had some baffling and packing in it.

Posted by: Unclefacts, Summoner of Meteors, Bacons, and Really Really Expensive Scotch at April 01, 2010 10:29 PM (erIg9)

158 156
Ihave a 1972 Yamaha 250 dirt bike. Can I get in the cool club with
that?

Posted by: Ronster at April 01, 2010 10:27 PM (Xu6d3)

yz?

Posted by: Unclefacts, Summoner of Meteors, Bacons, and Really Really Expensive Scotch at April 01, 2010 10:30 PM (erIg9)

159 No problem, Nobama will just lower the maximum speed limit to thirty miles an hour.

Posted by: Ajax at April 01, 2010 10:30 PM (uLZli)

160 that may at one time had some baffling and packing in it.
lmao

Posted by: navycopjoe at April 01, 2010 10:31 PM (gg4j2)

161 134 well played warden, well played indeed motherfucker.
Posted by: Unclefacts, Summoner of Meteors, Bacons, and Really Really Expensive Scotch at April 01, 2010 10:14 PM (erIg9)
I think we've about exhausted teh funnay with the parodies, but I justhad to work that one in, you fucking down puncher.

Posted by: Warden at April 01, 2010 10:32 PM (QoR4a)

162 Uncle Facts. No it is not a YZ. Just the Enduro.

Posted by: Ronster at April 01, 2010 10:32 PM (Xu6d3)

163 I missed the kerfuffle. Did someguy get the banhammer or just leave on his own accord?

Posted by: Ronster at April 01, 2010 10:34 PM (Xu6d3)

164 Why are the Obamites so hung up on gas mileage standards anyway? Shouldn't they be concentrating on making sure everybody's tires are properly inflated? That right there would save us the need of every drilling again.

Posted by: FUBAR at April 01, 2010 10:36 PM (1fanL)

165 Did someguy get the banhammer or just leave on his
own accord?

Posted by: Ronster at April 01, 2010 10:34 PM (Xu6d3)
Ace said he banned Warren Bonesteel. But this is the kinder, gentler Ace, so who knows?

Posted by: FUBAR at April 01, 2010 10:37 PM (1fanL)

166 Did someguy get the banhammer or just
leave on his
own accord?



Posted by: Ronster at April 01, 2010 10:34 PM (Xu6d3)

Oops. Reading comprehension. someguy won the vote, last I looked, so he's still in.

Posted by: FUBAR at April 01, 2010 10:38 PM (1fanL)

167 Thanks FUBAR. I haven't seen him aroumd today so was wondering about the poor bastard.

Posted by: Ronster at April 01, 2010 10:40 PM (Xu6d3)

168 I loved my rubber cow BMW, and keeping newer-jap-bike-wanna-be-racers behind me (and a couple other rubber-cow riding pals), whether to the Rock Store or cross back roads to Laguna Seca. Got used to it's ill-handling but predictable manners, ran the stiffest shocks I could get (blew out so many Koni shocks they would just send me a new pair on a regular warranty basis till stepping up to Oleans), kept a wicked inside line and made anybody earn their pass. That and the frying pan tied to the rear fender, a psychological weapon. "you couldn't pass me, even with my tent and a frying pan strapped to the back?".

Posted by: ktnxbai at April 01, 2010 10:40 PM (z8RuR)

169 Ace said he banned Warren Bonesteel. But this is the kinder, gentler Ace, so who knows?
Posted by: FUBAR at April 01, 2010 10:37 PM (1fanL)
Really?

Posted by: Warden at April 01, 2010 10:45 PM (QoR4a)

170 But getting great mileage all the while! Had to to cross hiway 50. So long ago... Is there even still an Austin or Ely, Nevada?

Posted by: ktnxbai at April 01, 2010 10:48 PM (z8RuR)

171 If the goddamned government were serious about traffic safety, all vehicles weighing less than 3,000 lbs would be banned from the public roadways.

Just a thought.

Posted by: Legionnaire of the Banned at April 01, 2010 10:55 PM (U9bUM)

172 No worries - we'll be 'saving' an extra 4500 people/yr with Obamacare!

The numbers more than offset.

Anyone notice how market conditions did FAR more far faster to drive up the overall gas mileage of vehicles offered? The government, by 2014, will be about 8 years late to the party.

We have many more choices in high MPG vehicles than we did even two years ago.

Posted by: lemosley01 at April 01, 2010 10:56 PM (giEbw)

173 You could have a little pity for us gearheads who came of age during the muscle car era. We were happy campers, all of us thought that it would last forever.

Cars today (transportation modules, I call them) have all the appeal of a dead tree stump. Don't care if they are engineered well, there is NO attraction for themselves alone, like the older cars had.

Been wrenching for 40 years,finally retired,at the right time, looks like.

However, I AM the proud owner of a brand new 1968 Plymouth Road Runner, and I defy anyone to attempt to deny me that pleasure.

Posted by: irongrampa at April 01, 2010 11:00 PM (ud5dN)

174 Irongrampa.
Me and the misses still have the 1968 Super Bee she bought new. It is now in pieces. I started to restore it and lost interest. Hope to get back on it someday.

Posted by: Ronster at April 01, 2010 11:05 PM (Xu6d3)

175 What engine does your Road Runner have?

Posted by: Ronster at April 01, 2010 11:08 PM (Xu6d3)

176 Ok grampa iron. there are still cars with musclecar character - my recently acquired 2003 Mustang Cobra is much like the muscle cars of yesteryear. For a 2003, it's relatively low tech (although it is supercharged), and it comes with all of the requisite muscle car squeaks and rattles.

I simply adore it.

Bigass V-8s that pump out oodles of torque and get shitty gas mileage, all while putting sweet, sweet aroma of mostly burnt fuel.

Ahhhhhhh...



Posted by: lemosley01 at April 01, 2010 11:09 PM (giEbw)

177 Ronster, you need to restore that car--can't think of a more rewarding hobby, albeit expensive. It's taken me 6 years, but it's such a trip going down to the ice cream place, car shows, etc.--you meet the neatest people in the resto game.

Plus it's just FUN doin the occasional burnout.

Posted by: irongrampa at April 01, 2010 11:12 PM (ud5dN)

178 you can take my 10mpg lifted jeep from my cold dead hands...or your familys dead hands when i use them as a speedbump.

Posted by: evil libertarian at April 01, 2010 11:12 PM (BGJM2)

179 It started life with the 383, I have the original block, but it'd junk, tossed a rod with the second owner, it now sports a tweaked 440.

Posted by: irongrampa at April 01, 2010 11:14 PM (ud5dN)

180 The Super Bee has the original 383 and I want to keep it that way. As you know the only option engine for the Super Bee in 1968 was the Hemi. Not a very streetable engine. Was the 440 an option for the 1968 Road Runner?

Posted by: Ronster at April 01, 2010 11:19 PM (Xu6d3)

181 Nope, the engines were the 383 (base engine) w/335 horses, or the 426 Hemi,with 425 horses.

Posted by: irongrampa at April 01, 2010 11:21 PM (ud5dN)

182 I forgot to ask. Do you have the Hearst 4 speed or the automatic. Our car has the 4 speed and it was very nice. I have rebuilt it as that was the reason for the car not being usable after 200,000 plus miles.

Posted by: Ronster at April 01, 2010 11:25 PM (Xu6d3)

183 GMC Yukon XL 2500 (3/4 ton)....8.1L engine....big ass solid steel grill guard....6,800 lbs with me sitting happily inside as I scream down the highway @ 70 mph....
That's right, motherfucker.
Watch out.

Posted by: LC at April 01, 2010 11:30 PM (Aaoov)

184 Did you see how I spelled Hurst? Sometimes I wonder if my brain is still functional.

Posted by: Ronster at April 01, 2010 11:34 PM (Xu6d3)

185 This car is a clone of my original Runner bought new in January of 68,4-speed A-833 trans,with a 3,73 limited slip rear, I paid $2945.00 for it, right off the showroom floor. There's about 14.5k in it now iirc. Base car was 5400, as a roller.

Posted by: irongrampa at April 01, 2010 11:34 PM (ud5dN)

186 I've said it before and I'll say it again:
The moment they ban trucks and suvs I'm going to go into the reconditioning business because as long as there's a beaten-up truck in a junkyard anywhere in America, someone will want to drive it.

Posted by: jmflynny at April 01, 2010 11:36 PM (uyljC)

187 LC. That must be some kick ass engine. I have a 6 liter in my Silverado and it runs real good.

Posted by: Ronster at April 01, 2010 11:37 PM (Xu6d3)

188 Good talking to you, sir--but I have to go, it's late and there's trout to be harassed in the am--be well, good people.

Posted by: irongrampa at April 01, 2010 11:37 PM (ud5dN)

189 #7...
Those cars look like family cars compared to the so-called "Smart-Car".
Death on wheels, I tell ya.

Posted by: jmflynny at April 01, 2010 11:37 PM (uyljC)

190 Warden, you're killing me.

Posted by: jmflynny at April 01, 2010 11:40 PM (uyljC)

191 irongrampa if you only have 14.5k in it restored then you have done real good.
Have fun smoking the tires off. I envy you.

Posted by: Ronster at April 01, 2010 11:44 PM (Xu6d3)

192 It's AGUSTA.
Jesus Christ.
Look, you own one (LIE), so just go out and run your finger over the logo. Move your lips. Fucking blowhard barbershop end-of-the-bar bullshitters.
Did you used to have a Moter-Guzzy, too? Augusta. Lardass.

Posted by: comatus at April 01, 2010 11:45 PM (/VEEI)

193 @110

Back in the day, it worked like this:
GM and Ford made their money on large cars like Cadillacs, Crown Vics, and Caprice Classics. To compensate, they pretty much gave away Escorts and Cavaliers. IIRC, it took 3 Escorts to offset a Crown Vic.

Around 1990 GM and Ford said "fuck this" and moved to selling SUVs to people who would have bought large cars. At that point, prices in the car segment went up to what could be considered normal. There was still some amount of subsidization though. It's hard to predict exactly what you're going to sell over the year, so you have to make up for it @ the end of the year. I got kick ass incentives on a '95 F-150 with a 5 speed and an inline 6 thanks to CAFE.

What it comes down to though is that CAFE is bad law. It has disparate impact on the poor and minorities (if it was a Republican law, they'd be all over it on affirmative action grounds), it resulted in poorer outcomes (lower fleet fuel economy average, higher mix of light trucks in the fleet, and more traffic fatalities). Finally, it doesn't correctly account for utilization. A Prius that drives 20,000 miles a year has a higher gas/carbon footprint than a Mustang GT that's someone's weekend driver. But according to CAFE, the only number that matters is the fuel economy over an average LA driving cycle.

Posted by: Topper Harley at April 01, 2010 11:57 PM (xVEYc)

194 Each auto company will have a
different fuel-efficiency target, based on its mix of vehicles. Automakers
that build more small cars will have a higher target than car companies
that manufacture a broad range of cars and trucks. For example,
passenger cars built by General Motors Co. will need to hit a target of 32.7 mpg in
2012 and increase to 36.9 mpg by 2016. Honda Motor Co., meanwhile, will need to reach passenger
car targets of 33.8 mpg in 2012 and ramp up to 38.3 mpg in 2016.

^^^This

I can't see ANY way not having the same standard for EVERY company could possibly be used to punish or reward those who don't toe the line.

Kind of like the 'progressive' income tax, eh?

'We're going to get the lobbyists out of Washington', except every damned thing Barry does means that more lobbyists will necessarily come to Washington.

Dear God, if we could win back the Congress and defund the EPA it would be like a dream.

Posted by: lemosley01 at April 02, 2010 12:01 AM (giEbw)

195 Whatever happened to the liberal cry: "If it saves just one life...!"

Posted by: Nemo from Erewhon at April 02, 2010 12:08 AM (5mWrT)

196 Just got 2010 range rover. Guzzles massive amounts of gas. I love it.

Posted by: pookie at April 02, 2010 12:14 AM (+o5Hf)

197 TXMarko - Cars are grandfathered for emissions after 25 ears in the Dallas area. Out of the 7 I've owned, only two have been FI, and I've had no problem registering or inspecting them.

Thanks to stupid laws like these, they've just about guaranteed that I'll never own something new. Ever. I just need to buy back my Dad's old parts car, the '70 Dodge Polara Grandma-mobile. That thing was awesome.

Posted by: seguin at April 02, 2010 12:29 AM (qH7g3)

198 Am I the only one here with a Harley? Feel left out, you guys have cool shit. Not my choice, need forward controls for bad knees.

Posted by: Tim Winters at April 02, 2010 12:33 AM (raQpJ)

199 Reliable and professional website for retail where you can buy Clearance MBT Shoes, Air Yeezy Shoes and Air Max 2010 with free shipping

Posted by: puma running shoes at April 02, 2010 04:22 AM (ULaGr)

200 I was having a bit of road rage behind the wheel of a Trabant. Shock, the steering column is connected via a journaled shaft held in place by a rubber boot. a bit of a pull and the whole assembly comes apart. No steering. Gotta love a two cylinder 2 stroke that runs on a gas oil mix, though. The family got that after only 8 years on on the waiting list in the days before Hungary kicked out Obama.

Posted by: spidly at April 02, 2010 04:31 AM (Q+4X0)

201 The stats are for what happens when a vehicle gets in a wreck. However, that is not the whole picture: there are two factors 1) How well does a vehicle do in a wreck 2) How likely is a vehicle to get into a wreck. Factor one is proportional to the mass of the vehicle, factor two is inversely proportional to the mass of the vehicle. The sweet spot is at a 3500 lb sports sedan, BMW - Mercedes - Infiniti etc.

Driving an 18 wheeler is great on factor one - but awful on factor two - the result is that driving an 18 wheeler is about as dangerous as driving a motorcycle - which is great on factor two and awful on factor one. 18 wheelers can't stop, they can't turn, they just smash into things a car could easily avoid. Motorcycles are easily able to avoid most accident conditions - but when they do get into an accident there is a good chance of the driver being killed.

SUV's ARE NOT SAFE. They are about as dangerous as a 2500 lb car. Because SUV's have crappy brakes and aren't maneuverable they have a higher chance of killing you than a 3500 lb sports sedan - which is small enough, and has great brakes and steering to avoid most accidents - but large enough to do well in an accident if it gets in one. The result:: lowest death rate per mile driven is at this (3500 lb sports sedan) vehicle size.

If you don't think brakes and steering make a safety difference lock your steering wheel and cut the brake lines on your car and tell me how long it is until you get into an accident. Those are by far the most important safety features on any vehicle - the better they are the safer the vehicle.

Overall a Hummer is no safer than a small car because the Hummer will get into a lot more accidents. One quarter of all of the deaths in the Iraq war were the result of traffic accidents - mostly in big heavy military vehicles. Death rate per mile driven is the real statistic to look at when judging vehicle safety.

Posted by: Bob Canup at April 02, 2010 08:24 AM (ylhEn)

202 There is a much better way to achieve good fuel economy than going to 2000 lb dangerous cars. Go to formula one technology engines ( detuned ). For example a 1.5 liter (90 cubic inch) 3 cylindar engine based on formula one technology could easily get 300 HP at 15000 rpm while delivering excellent fuel economy in normal driving. Such an engine would also produce less pollution, use less oil, be easier to cool all while being less expensive to build than a big engine - without sacrificing performance.

For example: a 2005 G-35 Infiniti has about the same acceleration as a classic tri-power Pontiac GTO from the muscle car era but gets much better fuel economy because the engine losses to friction in normal driving are much lower for the smaller - higher revving more modern engine.

Going to Formula One technology engines would result in an additional big boost in fuel economy.

Posted by: Bob Canup at April 02, 2010 09:08 AM (ylhEn)

203 198 Don't feel uncool -- you own a Harley. If I got a bike, it would be a Harley (but I'll never own one because I think motorcycles are death traps on wheels).

Posted by: unknown jane at April 02, 2010 09:13 AM (5/yRG)

204 Oh, and Bob's right about driving accidents. SUVs handle like pigs; they take very considerate driving (rollover is a serious issue)and give people a sense of false security. Still, these little jelly bean cars are not safe either and this new mileage standardis a bunch of bullshit.

I'm intrigued with the Formula 1 technology.

Posted by: unknown jane at April 02, 2010 09:19 AM (5/yRG)

205 Dave you get a choice when you buy your car: want heavier than go ahead and get one and then be happy when the other car in the accident is just a wee one

Posted by: Andy Rand at April 02, 2010 10:29 AM (mhD2v)

206 we loves us our 2004 Town Car and our 2001 F150 - big, comfortable, huge, SAFE
In the past 20 years my wife was in two major car crashes. In the first one some silly cow ran too fast and blew a curve on snow/ice and came across the road into my wife's lane - speed limit 50 mph. I'd say the collision speed was in excess of 80mph. Our Ford Country Squire station wagon cut the Cutlas in half. Damage to the Ford - new front clip and bumper. It didn't even damage the radiator. Second instance some clown comes barrelling out of a side access road into a 55mph county highway and misjudges the timing. His Chevy pickup off-center head-on's the wife in our F150. Collision speed in excess of 100mph. My wife got a cracked kneecap from the dash board and a couple broken toes from the brake pedal (very common). Both trucks were totalled but both drivers hobbled away alive and lightly wounded.
Try that with your Geo, (not so) Smart Car, etc.

Posted by: chuck in st paul at April 02, 2010 10:40 AM (adr25)

207 Andy, sadly, when you get a big heavy vehicle you don't improve your chances of survival -but by having one you do increase the chances that you will kill some one else.

Psychopaths who wants to kill some one and get away with need to drive a big boat. Hummers are available cheap right now - I urge all psychopaths to drive them; not only would their chances of killing some one go up over an optimal sized car - but as a bonus to the rest of us their chances of dying go up also - removing them from the gene pool and improving humanity.

By the way, I have an autographed copy of Atlas Shrugged - I suspect that the difference between us is that I can see the errors in Rand's philosophy (not her fault - she trusted what Aristotle said; he was the one who was wrong).

Posted by: Bob Canup at April 02, 2010 11:03 AM (ylhEn)

208 Hey, Bob.
Blow me.
That is all.

Posted by: LC at April 02, 2010 11:23 AM (Aaoov)

209 3 cylindar engine based on formula one
.
Shouldn't that be a 3-cylindar motor based on Formulae Uno?
Yeah, it would only cost 16,000 Euros to put a Renwaat 5.5bar turbo in some limey slopbucket, with the pucker factor of blowing the damn thing to the sky greatly reducing the desire to have it repaired soon after.
Clown

Posted by: LC LaWedgie at April 02, 2010 11:43 AM (kb0wl)

210 Bob, you need to STFU. You have no clue what you are talking about.

RE: F1 technology that 'only' runs at 15000 RPMs. You have no idea how much it costs to get an engine to run at 15K RPMs. You're aware that 600CC sportbikes currently have a limit about right around 15K RPMs.

Those are 600CCs with extremely oversquare bores, meaning they make NO torque and are only suitable in a lightweight vehicle (a sportbike weighs about 420lbs full gassed) and don't begin to make power until around 8 or 9 thousand RPMs; F1 engines are the same way; no power until the revs come up, which means you have to go full throttle to get moving, killing your gas mileage.

You think you can throw one of these engines into a 3500 pound vehicle and get it moving? F1 cars weigh about 1100 lbs.

A 15000 RPM engine that makes 90% of it's power in the last 20% of it's rpm range is useless in a street-driven car.

Do you think you can double the engine size and take it 15K RPMs and make it affordable and trouble-free. LOL.

If you want to talk about 'intriguing' technology then then LeMan LMP1 diesels are intriguing.

Sit down and be quiet about shit you have no idea about.

To address your point regarding how likely a vehicle is to crash: A vehicle is 100% unlikely to get into a crash. It doesn't drive itself. It's all about the driver, and most drivers aren't good enough to maneuver either a SUV or a 'lighter' sportscar out of a crash, especially considering most crashes are NOT a result of maneuverability or lack thereof. People crash because they don't pay attention. That's why Mercedes is building in features to compensate for driver stupidity.

Posted by: lemosley01 at April 02, 2010 11:47 AM (x7g7t)

211 buy a Mercedes for your daughter

Posted by: Andy Rand at April 02, 2010 11:51 AM (mhD2v)

212 " when you get a big heavy vehicle you don't improve your chances of survival "
Bob, can you please cite the research that supports that statement?
NTHSA and others have proven otherwise. I have anecdotal evidence from my family and friends that proves otherwise.
"Psychopaths who wants to kill some one and get away with need to drive a big boat."
Ahhhh, so you admit that silly little 4-speed rollerskates are dangerous to the occupants. Oh and BTW, NTHSA and others have proven that these little cars are more dangerous in ALL crashes including so-called one car accidents. So the real line is, "If you want to commit suicide one should immediately go out and buy a Smart Car and drive it alot."
"Save the planet! But a Smart Car and remove your carbon footprint permatnently!"

Posted by: chuck in st paul at April 02, 2010 02:40 PM (adr25)

213 It figures.We know have an "expert" who has no common sense. I have more time and experience behind the wheel that you can only dream about. In all kinds of weather. The problem is too many people who should be driving instead of talking on the phone, playing with their I-pods, texting, are what ever they are doing instead of DRIVING. When I was driving, ever other day an idiot did something stupid and I avoided the accident.

Posted by: hous bin pharteen at April 02, 2010 03:16 PM (pU4D7)

Posted by: hous bin pharteen at April 02, 2010 03:19 PM (pU4D7)

215 More bullshit from "environmentalists". These electric vehicles? Where does the electric power come? It must be little dancing fairies! Where do the used batteries end up when they are used up? They must disappeared, just like the refuse from 'nuke plants!

Posted by: hous bin pharteen at April 02, 2010 03:26 PM (pU4D7)

216 Right… Formula One technology. So, you’re given an engine that, in average, has a life of 500 miles. Not 50,000. Not 500,000. 500. They rebuild formula one motors after every race.

Top that with the fact that Formula One engines cost about 25K on the low end, and you’ve got a repair bill that is so big that you could buy a new SUV every year, AND pay for the fuel at 10 miles per gallon, and you are still ahead.

Throw in a little discussion about horsepower vs. torque and the fact that a formula one engine doesn’t make ANY OF EITHER until it hits about 7 or 8 thousand RPM (consider the stall on the torque converter and the amount of slippage necessary to allow 7 thousand RPM to transfer power smoothly to a drivetrain spinning at ZERO RPM at take-off) and you’ve got an engine that overspools like mad just to cruise around a parking lot, and an transmission that roasts itself alive every 20 miles in stop and go conditions.

Whoever’s idea THAT was is not thinking.

Now, clean diesel technology? That, there, is the future. My wife drives a 1.9 liter VW Golf. It gets 52 miles per gallon, and hauls serious ass. I drive a one ton pickup (for work) that has a diesel in it. A similar truck with a gas motor would be luck to get 10 or 11 miles per gallon. I routinely get 18 and 19. Diesel tech is where it’s at. That, and getting us away from the reciprocating piston ICE paradigm (possibly quasi-turbine phot-ignition engines are the future?)

Posted by: Goober at April 02, 2010 05:57 PM (QNRoi)

217 To further my point on Formula One – ever watch one of them take off from the pits? What happens? One of three things…

1.) They get a push from a helper truck. This usually happens at the start of the race. Why is that? Could it be because they don’t have enough power below 7K RPM to even get an 1,100 pound race care rolling, much less a 4K pound sedan?

2.) They get a push start from the pit crew, then gun the engine and dump the clutch, spinning the tires as they take off. They don’t do this to look cool or put on a show – it is literally the only way to get the car rolling without stalling it.

3.) They rev the ever loving shit out of the motor and dump the clutch, spinning tires and putting on a hell of a show. Same reason as above. To keep the car from stalling, every time you stopped at a light, you’d floor the gas, wait for the RPMs to come up to 7K or so, then dump the clutch and do a smokey burn-out in order to get rolling. Better not try to learn to drive a stick in one of these. Of course, you could solve the problem by using an automatic with a 7K rpm stall torque converter. You could just, then, burn off all that clutch-dumping shock in friction inside the transmission. You know, wearing, heat-building friction? You know, the stuff that wrecks auto trannies in a few miles?

OK, I’m done making fun of the “Formula One technology in my daily driver” idea.

Anyone want to discuss real options? Clean Diesel? Quasi-Turbines? All-Electric (which, by the way, if we could come up with a way to efficiently store electricity, would be BADASS. 100% torque, 100% of the time. You want power? Drive electric!)

I think the future lies in further research of homogeneous combustion photo-ignition carriage type engines (like the quasi-turbine) and the development of efficient ways to either store electricity or create it in a small space (fuel cells). I would love to have a 150 horsepower electric motor in my truck. It would out-pull my 275 horse diesel any day.

Posted by: Goober at April 02, 2010 06:07 PM (QNRoi)

218 my room with space compact treadmill evolution of treadmill.
schwinn schwinn recumbent bike description the compact shape monthly
schwinn recumbent bike description schwinn recumbent exercise bike on exercise bike.
the best aerobic aerobic machines you. enhance your fitness
The elliptical has a long sole elliptical features you hundreds
elliptical with the price schwinn elliptical being the same new model schwinn 420 elliptical
sole f80 treadmill review the sole f80 sole f80 treadmill the best for runners.
bowflex 552 selecttech dumbbells at home to get a bowflex selecttech 552 dumbbells training
why you need elliptical cross trainer cross trainer machine
enjoy sole elliptical sole sole elliptical efficient body
The precor precor elliptical smooth precor elliptical the body.
Find lowest prices for schwinn 431 elliptical elliptical
Schwinn is the best schwinn 460 elliptical and best
bowflex 1090 dumbbells and bowflex 1090
you can get all in here treadmill walking treadmill walking belt the highest quality


Posted by: precor elliptical at April 03, 2010 04:40 AM (7op3q)

219 منتدى
عالم حواءديكورازياء فساتين
العاب تلبيس
العاب بنات
العاب اطفال
يوتيوب فضائح توبيكات رومانسية توبيكات للماسنجر
توبيكات تعب
توبيكات عذاب
توبيكات للمدخنين
توبيكات ليليه
توبيكات ماركات
توبيكات جفا
وكالة اخبار المجتمع السعودي
جزيرة العراة
نكت قليلة ادب
توبيكات دموع
توبيكات هياط

عبايات 2010- توبيكات شوق
ازياء حوامل رسائل غيره صور شباب تويوتا 2010 وسائط جديده
-حمدان بريتش - احلى الصور يوتيوب الشعر
فساتينسهرة 2010-

توبيكات جرح اسماء بنات ايموخواطر 2010
موديلات فساتين سهرةحرف m
فساتين خطوبة 2010 خواطر رومانسية العاب بنات للتحميل ملاحظات للجوال
توبيكات 2010
توبيكات حلوهوسائط 2010اختصاراتاطارات ورود
كاسبر 2010 توبيكات روعه قصائد حزينه
خلفيات مسن خواطر حزينة شعر رومانسي صور ازياء 2010 صيد الطيور
توبيكات كبرياءتوبيكات شموخ توبيكات عزه
توبيكات الم توبيكات جميله
مدونات الاعضاء
منتدى جابر القحطاني
صور خيل
صور شباب للمسن
الحلبة


-العاب -مواضيع عامة -اخبار مثيرة-شعر- خواطر-قصص-رواياتالصحة-صور-صور انمي-نكت-مكشات- وظائف
يوتيوب-كورة- سيارات- صور تصميم -دروس فوتوشوب-برامج كمبيوتر - منتديات - خلفيات -توبيكات-صور ماسنجر -العاب كمبيوتر-رسائل وسائط
مملكة

Posted by: مملكة روحي at April 04, 2010 12:19 AM (VAJKG)

220 wholesale nfl jerseys
wholesalemlb jerseys
wholesalenba jerseys
wholesalenhl jerseys

Posted by: wholesale nfl jerseys at April 21, 2010 11:34 AM (4zPGD)

221 Wholesale NFL JerseysCheap NFL JerseysJimmy Choo shoesChanel Shoesrolex watchescheap rolex watchesed hardyed hardy clothesed hardy clothingcheap air jordan shoesnike air jordan shoesmichael jordan shoes

Posted by: NFL Jerseys at May 03, 2010 10:40 AM (v2S7A)

222
We are the best Soccer jersey supplier in Thailand, wholesale Soccer Jersey. supply all kinds of Replica Soccer Jersey : Soccer Jersey, Football shirt, Soccer shirt, Soccer kit, soccer uniform, football uniform, Argentina, Brazil, Germany, France, Spain, Italy, England national teams and Ac Milan, Inter Milan, Barcelona, Real Madrid, Manchester united, Chelsea, Liverpool, Arsenal club teams soccer jerseys .
Now, there are some who SEO say that our discount soccer jersey has managed to create the soccer jerseys of mlb jersey he promised during the cheap mlb jersey, and that he is working diligently to change the Camisetas de futbol in football jerseys. Let me be clear: I reject that Manchester United Shirts. Today I say to you that there is no Cheap Soccer Jerseys difference between a Camisa barata de futbol who directly attacks his polo shirts and a president who unleashes his attack mlb jerseys upon the same. We must reject as false the distinction our president is trying to make, and hold him to the promises he once made.

Posted by: soccer jersey at August 16, 2010 05:04 AM (5sav9)

223 ptfe sheet teflon sheet PTFE Rods ptfe plate PTFE Sheet PTFE Sheets PTFE Rods PTFE Belts Coated Fabrics PTFE Adhesive Tapes PTFE Sheets PTFE Rods PTFE Belts Coated Fabrics PTFE Adhesive Tapes Teflon Sheet PTFE Sheet PTFE Rod PTFE Belt PTFE Cloth PTFE Adhesive Tape Extrusion PTFE Rod Molded PTFE Bar Filled PTFE Rod Skived PTFE Sheet Molded Sheet PTFE Filled PTFE Sheet PTFE Oven Sheet PTFE Coated Fabric Skived PTFE Adhesive Tape PTFE Coated Tape PTFE Conveyor Belt PTFE Fusing Belt Silicone Coated Fabric Filter Bag, Filter Cloth Garlic

Posted by: teflonsheet at September 15, 2010 09:44 AM (hc5g3)

224 دردشة عراقية

شات العراق

جات عراقي
موسوعه العراق
دردشة العراق

دردشة عراقيه
دردشة العراق
دردشة عراقية 100
دردشة عراقية رومانسية

دردشة عراقيه

عراق

دردشه عراقية

دردشه عراقيه

عراقية

دليل المواقع العراقية

IraqI Directory

Iraqi CHat

عراق اب

موسوعه شهرزاد

مركز تحميل صور العراق

الوزارات العراقية

الصحف العراقية

القنوات العراقية

اخبار عراقية

فديو

العاب

دردشه عراقية
استضافة عراقية

Posted by: دردشة عراقية at May 15, 2011 08:17 PM (0OyWc)






Processing 0.04, elapsed 0.2336 seconds.
15 queries taking 0.207 seconds, 233 records returned.
Page size 125 kb.
Powered by Minx 0.7 alpha.

MuNuvians
MeeNuvians
Polls! Polls! Polls!
Frequently Asked Questions
The (Almost) Complete Paul Anka Integrity Kick
Top Top Tens
Greatest Hitjobs

The Ace of Spades HQ Sex-for-Money Skankathon
A D&D Guide to the Democratic Candidates
Margaret Cho: Just Not Funny
More Margaret Cho Abuse
Margaret Cho: Still Not Funny
Iraqi Prisoner Claims He Was Raped... By Woman
Wonkette Announces "Morning Zoo" Format
John Kerry's "Plan" Causes Surrender of Moqtada al-Sadr's Militia
World Muslim Leaders Apologize for Nick Berg's Beheading
Michael Moore Goes on Lunchtime Manhattan Death-Spree
Milestone: Oliver Willis Posts 400th "Fake News Article" Referencing Britney Spears
Liberal Economists Rue a "New Decade of Greed"
Artificial Insouciance: Maureen Dowd's Word Processor Revolts Against Her Numbing Imbecility
Intelligence Officials Eye Blogs for Tips
They Done Found Us Out, Cletus: Intrepid Internet Detective Figures Out Our Master Plan
Shock: Josh Marshall Almost Mentions Sarin Discovery in Iraq
Leather-Clad Biker Freaks Terrorize Australian Town
When Clinton Was President, Torture Was Cool
What Wonkette Means When She Explains What Tina Brown Means
Wonkette's Stand-Up Act
Wankette HQ Gay-Rumors Du Jour
Here's What's Bugging Me: Goose and Slider
My Own Micah Wright Style Confession of Dishonesty
Outraged "Conservatives" React to the FMA
An On-Line Impression of Dennis Miller Having Sex with a Kodiak Bear
The Story the Rightwing Media Refuses to Report!
Our Lunch with David "Glengarry Glen Ross" Mamet
The House of Love: Paul Krugman
A Michael Moore Mystery (TM)
The Dowd-O-Matic!
Liberal Consistency and Other Myths
Kepler's Laws of Liberal Media Bias
John Kerry-- The Splunge! Candidate
"Divisive" Politics & "Attacks on Patriotism" (very long)
The Donkey ("The Raven" parody)
News/Chat