David Frum: You Know, That Skirt Was Kind Of Short So She Had It Coming

David Frum knows who is responsible for the massive taxes and government power grab yesterday...conservatives like Rush Limbaugh. (warning, link to Frum's site)

Only, the hardliners overlooked a few key facts: Obama was elected with 53% of the vote, not Clinton’s 42%. The liberal block within the Democratic congressional caucus is bigger and stronger than it was in 1993-94. And of course the Democrats also remember their history, and also remember the consequences of their 1994 failure.

This time, when we went for all the marbles, we ended with none.

Could a deal have been reached? Who knows? But we do know that the gap between this plan and traditional Republican ideas is not very big. The Obama plan has a broad family resemblance to Mitt Romney’s Massachusetts plan. It builds on ideas developed at the Heritage Foundation in the early 1990s that formed the basis for Republican counter-proposals to Clintoncare in 1993-1994.

Barack Obama badly wanted Republican votes for his plan. Could we have leveraged his desire to align the plan more closely with conservative views? To finance it without redistributive taxes on productive enterprise – without weighing so heavily on small business – without expanding Medicaid? Too late now. They are all the law.

...There were leaders who knew better, who would have liked to deal. But they were trapped. Conservative talkers on Fox and talk radio had whipped the Republican voting base into such a frenzy that deal-making was rendered impossible. How do you negotiate with somebody who wants to murder your grandmother? Or – more exactly – with somebody whom your voters have been persuaded to believe wants to murder their grandmother?

I’ve been on a soapbox for months now about the harm that our overheated talk is doing to us. Yes it mobilizes supporters – but by mobilizing them with hysterical accusations and pseudo-information, overheated talk has made it impossible for representatives to represent and elected leaders to lead. The real leaders are on TV and radio, and they have very different imperatives from people in government. Talk radio thrives on confrontation and recrimination. When Rush Limbaugh said that he wanted President Obama to fail, he was intelligently explaining his own interests. What he omitted to say – but what is equally true – is that he also wants Republicans to fail. If Republicans succeed – if they govern successfully in office and negotiate attractive compromises out of office – Rush’s listeners get less angry. And if they are less angry, they listen to the radio less, and hear fewer ads for Sleepnumber beds.

First, it's hard not to read a lot of Frum's rants and conclude he's burning with envy for people who have success and influence he can only dream of. I mean, he's David Frum! He wrote 2/3's of the phrase 'axis of evil' (he wrote 'axis of hatred' and Michael Gerson had to fix it)! Why don't people pay him millions of dollars and listen to his advice?

Let's pretend for a second Frum has a point that deserves to be taken seriously.

There's no proof that Obama wanted Republican votes. I mean, he'd happily take them but not at the cost of adding any Republican ideas into the bill. Sure, he'll add some undercover patients to ferret out Medicare abuse or a shell of a tort reform project. But real tort reform? No. Real efforts to eliminate state barriers? No.

You know why Obama wouldn't compromise on those things? He didn't have to. Frum admits this when he points out that the House and Senate Democrats have larger liberal bases than they did in the early 90s.

Ideologues like Obama don't compromise when they don't have to. Obama didn't have to. Well, that's not true, he wanted a single payer system but had to compromise on that. Yet Frum thinks a guy who only gave up on the idea of socializing the entire health care system in one shot was actually dying to cut a free market deal with Republicans.

There's a name for people who believe that sort of thing...idiot.

David Frum may well be comfortable with a half a loaf of freedom (which will quickly shrink under ever increasing pressure for ever more 'reform') but that just means he's a liberal.

I know this maybe hard for you to understand David but some things are worth fighting for.

Added: Slublog reminds me of something I meant to include...Jake Tapper reports that Gibbs is passing around this column by Frum.

There's a two word name for guys like Frum...Useful Idiot.

ObamaCare delenda est!

Posted by: DrewM. at 01:04 PM



Comments

1 If things get interesting I hope there's a lamp-post set aside for Frumsie.

Posted by: Captain Hate at March 22, 2010 01:06 PM (ZxEhm)

2 Frum is a douche? Who knew?

Posted by: Dave@ at March 22, 2010 01:06 PM (L1Dtq)

3
Mental gymnastics.

btw - last night after the Democrats got their votes, they were acting like CHILDREN on the house floor. Chanting etc... gloating etc...

Posted by: Lemon Kitten at March 22, 2010 01:07 PM (0fzsA)

4 I don't get the Frum idea that this is the GOP's waterloo.

and
strangely, that's the astroturf theme of the day. Is he part of this
LGF Andrew Sullivan fake GOP thing? Seems obvious that he is.

If
the GOP hadn't fought so hard, the people wouldn't be against this
bill, it would have passed a year ago, and if would be much worse than
it already is. The GOP simply didn't have the numbers to do better, but
came damn close and had a lot of dems join in.

Sorry, Frum, this
isn't what Waterloo looks like. The is the GOP's Alamo, if anything.
We were outnumbered, and outgunned, and had every disadvantage, and we
lost, however we lost a much more narrow loss than the odds provided.

We
have nothing to be ashamed of, and I'm damn proud to be a republican. I
see no way Frum's POV makes any sense for conservatives. Sure, if
you're a beltway republican, you just lost big on some sweet backroom
payola. That's the only downside to fighting injustice, you dumbass,
Frum.

Posted by: throwaway handle at March 22, 2010 01:08 PM (dUOK+)

5 I like the cut of this Frum fellow's jib.

Posted by: Cahrles Jhonson, Blogger and Website Rental for Special Occasions at March 22, 2010 01:10 PM (QKKT0)

6 David Frum said and is on tape saying "Sarah Palin got where she is by sending strong sexual signals."
David Frum is one of the biggest pieces of shit I know.

Posted by: Dan at March 22, 2010 01:10 PM (1jzSs)

7 Raarr rarr ANGRY! He doesn't listen to Rush, does he. But I'm sure CNN gives him a fair shake so you can just take their word for it.

Posted by: Z Ryan at March 22, 2010 01:10 PM (cMo6P)

8 ""There's a name for people who believe that sort of thing...idiot.""

I resent that statement. And I don't know why...

Posted by: David Brooks at March 22, 2010 01:10 PM (6uiF7)

9 And Frum took a break from giving David Brooks a blowjob for this??

Posted by: Cicero at March 22, 2010 01:11 PM (QKKT0)

10 So we spent 8 years being nice to the Democrats - letting them write most of domestic agenda during the Bush years.

They repaid us by trying their damnedest to sabotage the war effort, and then when they won the 2008 elections openly looting their treasury for their friends and allies.

And now after they've rammed through the largest national socialist program since FDR on a straight partyline vote - Frum believes the problem is we have been fighting to hard?

I don't swear much here, but f*ck him. Its time to get rid of the Vichy Republicans.

Posted by: 18-1 at March 22, 2010 01:11 PM (7BU4a)

11 I don't swear much here, but f*ck him. Its time to get rid of the Vichy Republicans.
Now don't you think that's a little unfair?

Posted by: Marshal Petain at March 22, 2010 01:12 PM (QKKT0)

12 Frum was a writer for the most inept communicator to occupy the Oval Office since Coolidge.

He is, therefore, just about as responsible for Obama as the GOP is for ObamaCare.




Posted by: mrkwong at March 22, 2010 01:12 PM (G8Eo0)

13 I had the great displeasure of watching David Frum on MSNBC yesterday. They incorrectly said his web page was NewMajority.com, and he was forced to correct them that it was now frumforum.com. About twenty seconds later "DAVID FRUM - NEWMAJORITY.COM" was splashed across the screen.
That summarizes David Frum pretty well I think.
This wasn't our Waterloo - this was Dunkirk.

Posted by: Zuggs at March 22, 2010 01:13 PM (TpXEI)

14
Barack Obama badly wanted Republican votes for his plan. Could we have
leveraged his desire to align the plan more closely with conservative
views? To finance it without redistributive taxes on productive
enterprise – without weighing so heavily on small business – without
expanding Medicaid? Too late now. They are all the law.

David, the Republicans were shut out of the process:
(And Rush Limbaugh isn't a member of congress)

Here's a taste of what we didn't get:

- Portable insurance (Nope - not in there!)

- Health Savings Accounts (Nope - not in there)

- Tort Reform (Nope - not in there)

- Ability to buy across state line. (Nope - not in there)

- Encourage competition and free market solutions. (Nope - not in there)

- Encourage price shopping and transparency in health care. (Nope - not in there)

etc...





Posted by: Lemon Kitten at March 22, 2010 01:13 PM (0fzsA)

15 Let's pretend Frum has a point that deserves to be taken seriously for a
second.

I refuse to. David Frum is an irrelevant, intellectual lightweight with a political death wish. This man needs to be shunned at all costs.

Posted by: Soap MacTavish at March 22, 2010 01:14 PM (554T5)

16
You Know, That Skirt Was Kind Of Short So She Had It Coming
—DrewM.

Bam.

Posted by: Lemon Kitten at March 22, 2010 01:14 PM (0fzsA)

17 O/T kinda, but from Gateway:



Reuters reported:

The State of Florida joined nine other states today to file a lawsit against the democrat’s rationed health care system.

“The health care reform legislation passed by the U.S.
House of Representatives last night clearly violates the U.S.
Constitution and infringes on each state’s sovereignty,” Florida
Attorney General Bill McCollum, a Republican, said in a prepared
statement announcing a news conference.

“On behalf of the State of Florida and of the Attorneys General from
South Carolina, Nebraska, Texas, Utah, Pennsylvania, Washington, North
Dakota, South Dakota and Alabama if the President signs this bill into
law, we will file a lawsuit to protect the rights and the interests of
American citizens.”

Posted by: Twinks at March 22, 2010 01:15 PM (wRPBa)

18 Self awareness, Frumsy. Get some.

Posted by: Fritz at March 22, 2010 01:15 PM (GwPRU)

19 GOP and people resistance killed public option and eventually single player system.

Posted by: redmonkey at March 22, 2010 01:16 PM (8K5j5)

20 Frum ignores one tiny little fact: the GOP is winning the message war. Approximately 60% of the American people agree with the GOP position. Democrats in Congress had to be bribed into supporting it.

We didn't have the numbers, so we lost. But we have the message.

Jake Tapper pointed out that Frum's piece was being circulated by Robert Gibbs, thus cementing Frum's role as a useful idiot for the opposition.

Posted by: Slublog at March 22, 2010 01:16 PM (qjKko)

21 He's from Canada, ain't he?

Posted by: LtE113 at March 22, 2010 01:16 PM (3NFq/)

22
I'm sick of these turds who look for any reason to lash out against Conservatives and Social Conservatives.

They need to STFU because if we keep listening to these Big Tent/Go Along To Get Along muthafuckas, the Democrats' majority will get bigger.

Posted by: This is Carlton, the doorman at March 22, 2010 01:16 PM (Uf4aV)

23 Frum is not a Christian

Posted by: Andy Rand at March 22, 2010 01:16 PM (mhD2v)

24 As always I feel the need to correct conservative discourse. The reason Republicans wouldn't vote for the bill isn't because the Democrats wouldn't "add Republicans ideas", it's because there were wayyyyy too many Democrat "ideas" in the bill.

Full-on communist health care is unacceptable. Full-on communist health care plus "tort reform" is also unacceptable. The Democrats took this bill in the complete wrong direction from the start, and backpedaling or sidestepping a little bit wasn't going to make the bill appealing to Republicans.

D: Give me $100. I'll give you nothing.

R: HELL NO!

D: Give me $100. I'll give you a Snickers.

R: HELL NO!

D: These people won't compromise!

Posted by: the peanut gallery at March 22, 2010 01:16 PM (l71WL)

25 They need to STFU because if we keep listening to
these Big Tent/Go Along To Get Along muthafuckas, the Democrats'
majority will get bigger.


Hey, but our 2008 election strategy worked so well!

Posted by: The Big Tent Republicans that ran the 2008 Campaign at March 22, 2010 01:17 PM (7BU4a)

26 He's from Canada, ain't he?

Yeah. I'd like to know more about his ancestry. Surely one of them moved to Ontario around 1776-7.

Posted by: HeatherRadish at March 22, 2010 01:18 PM (mR7mk)

27 Frum is auditioning to be Obama's Judenrat commissioner.

Posted by: Cicero at March 22, 2010 01:18 PM (QKKT0)

28 David Frum

Who?

Posted by: toby928 at March 22, 2010 01:18 PM (PD1tk)

29 Frum is not a Christian

As usual, john ryan adds nothing to the discussion.

Shoo, pest.

Posted by: Slublog at March 22, 2010 01:19 PM (qjKko)

30 R: HELL NO!D: These people won't
compromise!

Posted by: the peanut gallery at March 22, 2010 01:16 PM (l71WL)
Hey, how about some fresh White House grown veggies instead? Don't they just look delicious?No?
You, the people, suck.

Posted by: Barack Obama at March 22, 2010 01:19 PM (7BU4a)

31 "btw - last night after the Democrats got their votes, they were acting
like CHILDREN on the house floor. Chanting etc... gloating etc..."

Yeah, childish was exactly the word I used. Cult-like was another. It was completely inappropriate.

Posted by: the peanut gallery at March 22, 2010 01:19 PM (l71WL)

32
Posted by: Andy Rand

STFU, dunce.

Posted by: This is Carlton, the doorman at March 22, 2010 01:19 PM (UUkhk)

33 Frum was a writer for the most inept communicator to occupy the Oval
Office since Coolidge.

Coolidge was a true small government conservative. He had the same problems the GOP has now. He had to fight the progressive press at the same time as the commies.

Posted by: Vic at March 22, 2010 01:19 PM (QrA9E)

34 You are ALL Jodie Foster, now.

Posted by: The Pinball Machine at March 22, 2010 01:20 PM (cT7Vb)

35 Oh, and fk Frum.

Posted by: Vic at March 22, 2010 01:20 PM (QrA9E)

36 You Know, That Skirt Was Kind Of Short So She Had It Coming —DrewM.


Yeah, but it was just rape, not rape, rape!

Posted by: Whoopie Goldberg at March 22, 2010 01:21 PM (CfmlF)

37 Yes it mobilizes supporters – but by mobilizing them with hysterical accusations and pseudo-information, overheated talk has made it impossible for representatives to represent and elected leaders to lead.
Hey--it's another variant of the "If only you rubes understood" trope.
And let's all remember Frum's concern about overheated rhetoric when the Chimp was in charge. Remember that?
"Hate" is usually too strong a term for my political feelings. Today, it is too weak.

Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at March 22, 2010 01:21 PM (B+qrE)

38 Piss on David Frum.

Posted by: Unclefacts, Purveyor of Fine Meteors at March 22, 2010 01:21 PM (erIg9)

39 "Barack Obama badly wanted Republican votes for his plan."

Delusional.

Posted by: DocJ at March 22, 2010 01:21 PM (dt6br)

40 I like the man.

Posted by: John McCain at March 22, 2010 01:22 PM (EL+OC)

41 Honestly, I think Mccain would have won if Bush had defended himself with vigor and passion. He didn't, and I don't know why he didn't. That's a key problem. Be proud of what you're doing, or no one will believe in you.

Mccain, as lame as he is, was who we thought he was. I don't know why we picked him over even Giuliani or Thompson or even flip flop Romney. Huckabee was a great spoiler against the better options, I guess.

Mccain was trying to respect a dirty Chicago style system, and he lost. but really, he was attempting to follow a very unpopular president that was blamed for all kinds of democrat shit like Fannie Freddie an the 2007-2008 budget.

Frum didn't exactly have the GOP's back with Mccain Palin, by far the most moderate GOP ticket in my lifetime (even Palin isn't really that hardcore, but Mccain? Damn). That's because Obama is historical or something.

Posted by: throwaway handle at March 22, 2010 01:22 PM (dUOK+)

42
#4

This is the GOP's Alamo, if anything.
We were outnumbered, and outgunned, and had every disadvantage, and we
lost, however we lost a much more narrow loss than the odds provided.



BRA-fucking-VO.

Remember the Alamo!

Posted by: s'moron at March 22, 2010 01:23 PM (UaxA0)

43 Fuck David Frum and every fucking democrat in the ass with the barbed cock of satan. Fuck them all! There is no such thing as a "conservative" or "Blue dog" democrat anymore. They are a bunch of left wing fuckers!! Fuck!

Posted by: Hedgehog at March 22, 2010 01:24 PM (oQIfB)

44
I dunno how much credit Frum gets, but George Bush's speeches were excellent. Compare the text of Bush's speeches to Obama's and you'll find Bush's speeches were substantive and really artful prose, whereas Obama's speech are glib are trite populist pabulum. But Obama will *sound* great reading a nutrition label...

Posted by: This is Carlton, the doorman at March 22, 2010 01:24 PM (Uf4aV)

45
The democrats have to keep talking about this in order to attempt to sell it.
Get your shit waders out, folks.

The lies and broken campaign promises oozing out of the White House and the MSM talking point machine are going to get really deep.

Posted by: Lemon Kitten at March 22, 2010 01:25 PM (0fzsA)

46
43
Fuck David Frum and every fucking democrat in the ass with the barbed
cock of satan. Fuck them all! There is no such thing as a
"conservative" or "Blue dog" democrat anymore. They are a bunch of left
wing fuckers!! Fuck!


Posted by: Hedgehog at March 22, 2010 01:24 PM (oQIfB)

THIS!

Posted by: thebronze at March 22, 2010 01:25 PM (1C9ME)

47 So we spent 8 years being nice to the Democrats - letting them write most of domestic agenda during the Bush years.

They
repaid us by trying their damnedest to sabotage the war effort, and
then when they won the 2008 elections openly looting their treasury for
their friends and allies.

And now after they've rammed through
the largest national socialist program since FDR on a straight
partyline vote - Frum believes the problem is we have been fighting to
hard?

I don't swear much here, but f*ck him. Its time to get rid of the Vichy Republicans.

Posted by: 18-1 at March 22, 2010 01:11 PM (7BU4a)


so nice I posted it twice

Posted by: Deety at March 22, 2010 01:26 PM (aVzyR)

48

There is absolutely nothing, NOTHING, anyone could have said or done to eke out a Republican victory in 2008.

I know not everyone is religious, but this crap is all in God's time.

This thing didn't pass so we could watch the country slide into oblivion. We will face the difficult and awesome task of rebuilding our freedom from the ruins of utterly certain and unavoidable financial devastation.

Posted by: s'moron at March 22, 2010 01:26 PM (UaxA0)

49
So how do you think Ace is gonna be today?

a) Resolute
b) Lecturing (like Drew)
c) Depressed
d) M.I.A.

Posted by: This is Carlton, the doorman at March 22, 2010 01:26 PM (UUkhk)

50 But Obama will *sound* great reading a nutrition label...

Really? His delivery reminds me of Shatner, except The Shat's every other word isn't "uh".

Posted by: HeatherRadish at March 22, 2010 01:26 PM (mR7mk)

51 OK, perhaps not "delusional" as I said above (yeah, I'm self correcting). Sure, he wanted their votes, but in a "Just close your eyes and dream of England" sort of way. He wanted the political cover for when TSHTF, but was more than willing to jettison that to achieve the dream of his fascist utopia.

So now they own it. All of it. And David Frum think's it's our fault.

OK, skip the self-correction - Frum is indeed delusional. And stupid.

Posted by: DocJ at March 22, 2010 01:26 PM (dt6br)

52 Hey Pelosi you fucking cunt. Are you going to tell us all the good things that are in this piece of shit now?!

Posted by: Hedgehog at March 22, 2010 01:27 PM (oQIfB)

53 Did anyone happen to catch Nanzi's speech just prior to the vote last nite? There were a couple of times where she snorted and guffawed under her breath like a deranged maniac. You could only hear it when she was directly in front of the mic. It happened enough that BackwardsGirl even noticed it.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy at March 22, 2010 01:27 PM (i3AsK)

54 "Ideologues like Obama don't compromise when they don't have to. "

Except of course that most of this bill came from conservative think tanks like the Heritage folks.

This is basically the bill that the Democrats rejected when they opted for the disaster that would have been HillaryCare. The foundations of this bill came for almost exclusively conservative places.

Posted by: Jungster at March 22, 2010 01:27 PM (MN+T/)

55 Frum is a stupak republican. Nuff said.

Posted by: Guy Fawkes at March 22, 2010 01:27 PM (ympF8)

56 But Obama will *sound* great reading a nutrition label...

Uh, no. The retard takes five freaking minutes to order a burger at a fast-food joint. I don't have time to suffer through all of the tedious, sermonesque pauses between monosodium glutimate 8 and red dye #4.

Posted by: VJay at March 22, 2010 01:27 PM (gQ+XA)

57 Apropos of nothing in this thread, I was wondering how common it is for someone to get elective abortion insurance. I mean, how slack of a skank whore do you have to be to think in advance to buy coverage, yet not think ahead enough to use any of the modern effective contraceptive nostrums?

Posted by: toby928 at March 22, 2010 01:27 PM (PD1tk)

58 Remember the Alamo!
So States suing and over turning = Sam Houston
obamacare and dems = Santa Anna
I like it....I like it a lot.

Posted by: Roadking at March 22, 2010 01:27 PM (gwz1g)

59 #17:

PENNSYLVANIA's state AG is on that list?!?!?!

Wow! That's pretty shocking!

Posted by: BlackOrchid at March 22, 2010 01:27 PM (SB0V2)

60 So how do you think Ace is gonna be today?

d) M.I.A.

Hobos stacked up like cordwood.

Posted by: HeatherRadish at March 22, 2010 01:27 PM (mR7mk)

61 Palin/Ryan 2012 Slogans: "Energize America" or "We The People" or
"Fuck David Frum" LOL
I am leaning towards energize america or we the people, but I could be convinced for option number 3.

Posted by: Dan at March 22, 2010 01:28 PM (1jzSs)

62 So how do you think Ace is gonna be today?

Who?

Posted by: Tami at March 22, 2010 01:28 PM (VuLos)

63 d) M.I.A.

Posted by: Soap MacTavish at March 22, 2010 01:28 PM (554T5)

64 my state (FL)'s AG is challenging the bill, he's running for Governor too, polls say he should win easily

Posted by: YRM at March 22, 2010 01:28 PM (rbtaB)

65 Frum's first post after the pasting we're going to give the Democrats in November will simply be o O o O o O o O repeatedly for several thousand characters, to represent David blubbering and choking on his own bile.

Posted by: skwiself at March 22, 2010 01:28 PM (nohPf)

66 Except of course that most of this bill came from conservative think
tanks like the Heritage folks.
I think a cite is in order here.

Posted by: toby928 at March 22, 2010 01:28 PM (PD1tk)

67 Al Sharpton: "America voted overwhelmingly for socialism when they voted for Obama"

Posted by: The Mega Independent at March 22, 2010 01:30 PM (J3CA3)

68 But Obama will *sound* great reading a nutrition label...
Let me clear, as I have always said, there are 140 calories in this serving of coke. Wait, why is this black liquid stuff called coke?

Posted by: dudeinsantacruz at March 22, 2010 01:30 PM (pkldN)

69 Debbie Wasserman Shultz was quoting Frum this morning on CNBC.
Frum saying this bill is like Romney's bill is absolutely lies. The only similarities are that they both attempt to cover more people.
1. Romney didn't raise taxes by $550 Billion, in fact he didn't raise them at all.
2. Romney didn't cut medicare by $500 Billion. He didn't cut medicare at all.
3. Romney didn't hide expenditures like the doctor fix.
4. Romney attempted to fund the uninsured with the money already in the system. He failed at that but he came closer than any other government program. Romeny Care costs $1.35 for every $1.00 he said it would. Medicare costs $9.00 for every $1.00 projected. Medicade is $4 to $1. the list goes on. They have a good graph at Reason.

Posted by: robtr at March 22, 2010 01:31 PM (fwSHf)

70
Nothing would warm my cockles more than if Ace *really* did murder euthanize bums in his spare time. Does that make me a bad person?

oh, and what are cockles and am I using the word right?

Posted by: This is Carlton, the doorman at March 22, 2010 01:31 PM (UUkhk)

71 "Except of course that most of this
bill came from conservative think
tanks like the Heritage folks."

No need to ask for a citation, a simple "bullshit" will do.

Posted by: skwiself at March 22, 2010 01:31 PM (nohPf)

72 "The foundations of this bill came for almost exclusively conservative places."

Really? You mean like Massachusetts?

Posted by: DocJ at March 22, 2010 01:31 PM (dt6br)

73 If Frum had been around back in 1943, he would have argued that killing 6 million jews was too many but probably only killing a Million or so would be a nice compromise that he could get behind.

Posted by: Tom Servo at March 22, 2010 01:32 PM (T1boi)

74 Can't we get him deported?

Posted by: TheBigOldDog at March 22, 2010 01:32 PM (seQUY)

75 I was wondering how common it is for someone to get elective abortion
insurance.

I've assumed it's one of those things states force companies to make available in comprehensive policies for their residents. Like acupuncture, homeopathy, autism therapy, prosthetic hair, etc, etc. Everyone with a condition heads to their statehouse with a sob story, the premiums of everyone in the state rise.

Posted by: HeatherRadish at March 22, 2010 01:32 PM (mR7mk)

76 How do you negotiate with somebody who wants to murder your grandmother?
Thanks for explaining (unintentionally, of course) exactly why the commies need CommieCare, assface.

Posted by: The Mega Independent at March 22, 2010 01:32 PM (J3CA3)

77 Except of course that most of this bill came from conservative think
tanks like the Heritage folks.
You're every bit as inaccurate and irresponsible as Frum in making that statement.

Posted by: Soap MacTavish at March 22, 2010 01:33 PM (554T5)

78 Socialism??? Yes, bro!!! Here it comes.....lovin' it!

Selfish, self-centered Republicans 0
Compassionate, caring Liberals .. 1

This world is changing, fellas, change or stay bitter, unhappy, and spiritually stunted.

Will my taxes go up? If so, so what? Better to have ALL Americans healthy. Come on guys, caring about others feels good.

Posted by: tasting victory at March 22, 2010 01:33 PM (oA4y0)

79 PENNSYLVANIA's state AG is on that list?!?!?!



Wow! That's pretty shocking!

This bill will bankrupt the states, so not that shocking. Then again, bankrupting the states is a feature to the dem socialists. Its not about healthcare, its about consolidating power.

Posted by: Guy Fawkes at March 22, 2010 01:33 PM (ympF8)

80 Shun the frumious bandersnatch!

Posted by: Lewis Carroll at March 22, 2010 01:34 PM (YCVBL)

81 It builds on ideas developed at the Heritage Foundation in the early 1990s that formed the basis for Republican counter-proposals to Clintoncare in 1993-1994.

Except of course that most of this bill came from conservative think tanks like the Heritage folks.

Oh, lookie--more concern troll historians. Look at that first sentence and spot the weasel words.
HERE'S WHAT THE HERITAGE FOUNDATION SAYS TODAY. IT'S 2010 BY CALENDAR, YOU FECKLESS INTELLECTUAL COWARDS.

Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at March 22, 2010 01:34 PM (B+qrE)

82

Except of course that most of this bill came from conservative think tanks like the Heritage folks.


*sound of the needle scratching the record*

Wha-wha-wha-whaaaat?

/kyle's mom

Posted by: This is Carlton, the doorman at March 22, 2010 01:34 PM (Uf4aV)

83 I said two years ago Frum is a high profile concern troll. But Allahpundit and other squishy cons linked the fag every single fucking day and increased his traffic tenfold.

Posted by: Juicer at March 22, 2010 01:34 PM (QXc9Y)

84 This world is changing, fellas

Indeed.

Posted by: Tuesday, November 2nd at March 22, 2010 01:35 PM (PD1tk)

85 David Frum is the neediest person in America. He has proven time and time again that he will say anything to get attention and he sees attention that Dems pay him as proof of his relevance. Let him and the Dems delude themselves and have them take Jennifer Rubin, David Brooks, et.al. with them. They can all set around and tell each other how important they are. The libs can watch and let their legs tingle.

Posted by: Hussein the Plumber at March 22, 2010 01:35 PM (RkRxq)

86
Here's a taste of what we didn't get:
---------------------------------


Thankfully the "list" of what we did get is very short.

Posted by: The Chicken at March 22, 2010 01:35 PM (J3CA3)

87 I say this once a week. Obama doesn't "sound" great, he is not a great orator, he does not have good delivery. He is a horrible speaker. The meme that he is "a great speaker" is lame stream media creation. He drones, he pauses, he ums, he uhs, he looks up, his cadence is slow, he is horrible, horrible to listen to. He is an awful speaker but if you tell a lie often enough then everybody believes it.

Posted by: dagny at March 22, 2010 01:36 PM (3g/rg)

88
I was gonna ask that question today.

WHO WROTE THE BILL?

I suspect that people closely associated with George Soros wrote it.

Posted by: This is Carlton, the doorman at March 22, 2010 01:36 PM (Uf4aV)

89

This was Obama's Battle of Beneventum.

He has cleared the field for the eventual Republican purity pruges, but until that time, we must make every effort to wipe the floor with the Dems' (figurative) bloody corpses






Posted by: s'moron at March 22, 2010 01:36 PM (UaxA0)

90
#20

Jake Tapper pointed out that Frum's piece was being circulated by
Robert Gibbs, thus cementing Frum's role as a useful idiot for the
opposition.

thanks, Frum!


Posted by: Lemon Kitten at March 22, 2010 01:36 PM (0fzsA)

91 Well, you can't say the lefties are hiding it anymore.

Sharpton: The American people voted for socialism
(via The Foundry)

Posted by: Garbonzo the Garrulous at March 22, 2010 01:36 PM (w8ddH)

92 The party of hatred, churlishness, resentment, snarling, incivility and lies.

The party of No. This is your waterloo. Keep it up. America is never going to want you.

Go ahead gnash your teeth.

Posted by: Yeah at March 22, 2010 01:36 PM (rsnIG)

93 Better to have ALL Americans healthy.
Let me guess: You practice lying in the mirror daily? No...hourly.

Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at March 22, 2010 01:36 PM (B+qrE)

94 Here's the first repeal bill.

They'll need to re-introduce them in January, but hey, the more time they spend on this, the less time they have to ram more crap up our ass.

Posted by: HeatherRadish at March 22, 2010 01:36 PM (mR7mk)

95 I was born in 1970, but I remember as a small child the left saying "better red than dead" when the Cold War raged.

David Frum has revealed himself as someone who won't fight for anything, no matter how obviously precious.

"DEAL" is a word that needs to be removed from the R's lexicon. How do you "deal" away principles?

Will Grahamnesty and McMiddle remember their bluster that ramming down BtotheOcare was a game changer with regards to bipartisanship?

Finally, today I heard Rush say "if he leaves office" when discussing B to the O. Never heard him say this, although I don't listen daily.

Is there any doubt after this Constitutional charade, that the demos will try anything, damn the law, that enriches their power?


Posted by: The Hammer at March 22, 2010 01:36 PM (YBTwf)

96 Apropos of nothing in this thread, I was wondering
how common it is for someone to get elective abortion insurance. I
mean, how slack of a skank whore do you have to be to think in advance
to buy coverage, yet not think ahead enough to use any of the modern
effective contraceptive nostrums?

Posted by: toby928 at March 22, 2010 01:27 PM (PD1tk)

I think that the idea is more along the lines of getting a personal call from Kathleen Sebelius to the slack skank whore who didn't know enough to opt out of the automatic coverage. Friendly reminder that she hasn't used even 1 of her 3 free abortions per year but there's still 3months to get pregnant and take advantage of the benefits!

Posted by: Deety at March 22, 2010 01:37 PM (aVzyR)

97 I don't think that's "victory" you're "tasting", dude. It's bong resin.

Posted by: DocJ at March 22, 2010 01:37 PM (dt6br)

98 The party of hatred, churlishness, resentment, snarling, incivility and lies.
And the ability to do math. Don't leave that out.

Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at March 22, 2010 01:37 PM (B+qrE)

99 America is never going to want you.

I disagree.

Posted by: Tuesday, November 2nd 2010 at March 22, 2010 01:38 PM (PD1tk)

100 28
David Frum

Who?


Hey!!! Get your own shtick!!


Posted by: Charlie Gibson at March 22, 2010 01:38 PM (EVoH+)

101 The party of hatred, churlishness, resentment, snarling, incivility
and lies.


The party of slavery.

Posted by: HeatherRadish at March 22, 2010 01:38 PM (mR7mk)

102 The party of hatred, churlishness, resentment, snarling, incivility and
lies.

Pretty much sums the Donks up, doesn't it?

Posted by: Soap MacTavish at March 22, 2010 01:39 PM (554T5)

103 He's right ya' know - Rush's show realized very little if any success in the Bush years......just awfull......nobody listened.......they just throw out $400 mil contracts to losers like him all the time right?

Posted by: Roadking at March 22, 2010 01:39 PM (gwz1g)

104 "The party of hatred, churlishness, resentment, snarling, incivility and lies."

Can I have 'Democrat Party during Bush 43' for $1000, Alex?

Yeah, that really hurt their electoral fortunes.

Posted by: DocJ at March 22, 2010 01:39 PM (dt6br)

105 Gibbs and Frum...peas in a pod.

Posted by: changer1701 at March 22, 2010 01:39 PM (xktXL)

106

Google, while evil, is ofttimes your friend

cockles = derived from the Latin description for the heart's chambers, cochleae
cordis.

Posted by: s'moron at March 22, 2010 01:39 PM (UaxA0)

107 Come on guys, caring about others feels good.

Who let Barney in here?

Posted by: Sort-of-Mad Max at March 22, 2010 01:39 PM (2PTT7)

108 The party of No. This is your waterloo. Keep it up. America is never
going to want you.

When 60% of America is also saying 'no,' who exactly is on the right side of the argument?

Posted by: Slublog at March 22, 2010 01:40 PM (qjKko)

109 Frum is MSNBC's Republican house boy

Posted by: YRM at March 22, 2010 01:40 PM (rbtaB)

110
Selfish, self-centered Republicans 0Compassionate, caring Liberals .. 1


Yup, those figures look about right to me, dummy. Well, except for the second. You seem to be off by one.

Posted by: The Mega Independent at March 22, 2010 01:40 PM (J3CA3)

111 Romneycare is bankrupting Mass. Obamacare is going to do the same thing only on a much bigger scale.

Posted by: Dan at March 22, 2010 01:40 PM (1jzSs)

112 Why are there so many fucking Canadians telling us how to run our country?Go fix your own socialist shithole.

Posted by: Mal at March 22, 2010 01:40 PM (Z+qzA)

113 The party of No.

I think our official title is The Party of Hell No.

Posted by: Tuesday, November 2nd 2010 at March 22, 2010 01:41 PM (PD1tk)

114 "The party of hatred, churlishness, resentment, snarling, incivility and
lies.

The party of No. This is your waterloo. Keep it up.
America is never going to want you.

Go ahead gnash your teeth."

Is this November 2004? Is that you, David Frum from the past, crowing about a perpetual Republican majority?

I can't help but smirk every time I read one of these silly bombastic announcements of eternal triumph for progressives and eternal defeat for conservatives. Yeah, just like 2004. Just like 2004. You'll get to have your own taste of hubris starting in November.

Posted by: skwiself at March 22, 2010 01:41 PM (nohPf)

115 Frum is a stupak republican. Nuff said.

Posted by: Guy Fawkes at March 22, 2010 01:27 PM (ympF
Ok, definitely stealing that one.Can we permanently put the kibosh on how good Earflaps Obaritone sounds reading anything; I hear enough of that from fucking Medved.

Posted by: Captain Hate at March 22, 2010 01:43 PM (ZxEhm)

116 I think one of Ace's stinking hobos survived last night's slaughter and is now posting on the blog.

Posted by: Soap MacTavish at March 22, 2010 01:43 PM (554T5)

117
We have two major parties in this nation
The Republicans
The Socialists

Posted by: Lemon Kitten at March 22, 2010 01:43 PM (0fzsA)

118 I thought Ace (and others on this blog)didn't want to figuratively "die on this hill?" The problem with that thinking is that eventually, you run out of hills to defend from, let along die on. The time may come when we might actually have to start literally dying on a hill in order to preserve a country that we grew up in. The problem with that line of thinking is that the military will just launch waves of Hellfires at insurrectionists, so perhaps we are truly screwed after all.

Posted by: Mat at March 22, 2010 01:43 PM (K7PKA)

119 The party of hatred, churlishness, resentment, snarling, incivility and lies.
So close but yet so far away. No way your pinning churleshness on us pal - you hear me - No. Fucking. Way.

Posted by: Roadking at March 22, 2010 01:43 PM (gwz1g)

120 Come on guys, caring about others
feels good.

How many million people are going to lose their insurance when this piece of shit gets signed and sends premiums skyrocketing?

Posted by: HeatherRadish at March 22, 2010 01:44 PM (mR7mk)

121 Look, if they couldn't even get Olympia Snowe or Susan Collins to support this piece of crap, it wasn't going to happen, EVER.
The key to the entire bill is the individual mandate. Obama opposed it during the campaign, too. And there is not a Republican of any size, shape, or stripe that would EVER< EVER<EVER vote for an individual mandate!
Notice Frum gives no specifics of what Republicans might have been able to get into a "bipartisan" bill. Just bloviates that they didn't try. You can't compromise with fascists!

Posted by: rockmom at March 22, 2010 01:44 PM (w/gVZ)

122 Link via hotair-

House dems went and boozed it up last night. Gross.

"HOH spies say the gaggle of jubilant Democrats
included Rep. John Larson (Conn.), who got a roar of welcome when he
entered the bar; Rep. Joe Crowley (N.Y.), who was briefly spotted
standing behind the bar, handing out drinks; and Reps. John Boccieri
(Ohio), Melissa Bean (Ill.), Tom Perriello (Va.) and Jerry Costello
(Ill.).

Rep. Bart Stupak (D-Mich.), who had been the center
of attention all weekend after resisting the abortion-related language
in the bill but ultimately voting for the package, was among Tune Inn’s
revelers. An HOH spy says Rep. Anthony Weiner (D-N.Y.) planted a giant
kiss on Stupak’s cheek.

The celebration continued until the bar issued its
last call for drinks, our tipsters say. And they report that when
Crowley exited the bar, he did so to celebratory chants of “Crow-ley,
Crow-ley!”"
Ew.

Posted by: Lemon Kitten at March 22, 2010 01:44 PM (0fzsA)

123 Come on guys, caring about others feels good.

Watching you suffer in agony on a waiting list whose top you will never reach will somewhat stunt the pain of the fact that you self-absorbed emotive retards have destroyed the future for my children.

"Caring about others" = "annihilate the health care system offering by far the highest quality of care and greatest degree of access the world has ever known so we can brag about our victory in the blogosphere like the stunted little pussy shits that we are".

Fuck off and die so I can piss in your dead skull, subhuman freak.

Posted by: VJay at March 22, 2010 01:44 PM (gQ+XA)

124 [quote]The problem with that line of thinking is that the military will just
launch waves of Hellfires at insurrectionists, so perhaps we are truly
screwed after all.[/quote]

The American military is still dominated by Southerners and Westerners who would show up and start tossing the insurrectionists better weapons and ammo. Honestly I could never see the American military as it currently exists ever doing anything but joining a popular uprising against the government, if one occurred.

Posted by: skwiself at March 22, 2010 01:44 PM (nohPf)

125 We have two major parties in this nationThe RepublicansThe Socialists Traitorous Communists
FIFY

Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at March 22, 2010 01:45 PM (B+qrE)

126 Obama doesn't "sound" great, he is not a great orator, he does not have good delivery. He is a horrible speaker.
True dat'. He couldn't do respectably even at a high school speech competition. But he has theBS "inspirational qualities" down; he shouts (he doesn't speak), has a smoker's voice, and um...is tall?

Posted by: dudeinsantacruz at March 22, 2010 01:45 PM (pkldN)

127 If he didn't bash conservatives, would anyone pay attention to David Frum? Of course not. He's doing the only thing that can give him even minimal success.

If he admitted he was a democrat, he'd just be another one in the herd.

Posted by: condition normal at March 22, 2010 01:45 PM (MMC8r)

128 Socialism??? Yes, bro!!! Here it comes.....lovin' it!Selfish, self-centered Republicans 0Compassionate, caring Liberals .. 1This world is changing, fellas, change or stay bitter, unhappy, and spiritually stunted.Will my taxes go up? If so, so what? Better to have ALL Americans healthy. Come on guys, caring about others feels good.
Posted by: tasting victory at March 22, 2010 01:33 PM (oA4y0)
Wow, talk about stuck on stupid

Posted by: TheQuietMan at March 22, 2010 01:45 PM (1Jaio)

129 DON'T TREAD ON ME! OR MY FAMILY YOU MFR'S!

Posted by: phoenixgirl at March 22, 2010 01:46 PM (ukoQM)

130 Will my taxes go up? If so, so what? Better to have ALL Americans
healthy.

Hey kiddo, you smoke? Drink? The czar doesn't like that. But all Americans will be healthy. If they become unhealthy, we will have to kill them.

Come on guys, caring about others feels good.

So care then. What's stopping you? You have to have taxes forced out of your paycheck? Pay now, you cheap bastard. And it ain't enough. Because when you get something for free, you treat it like it's free. So you're going to have to earn more because every lazy jerk will be going to the doctor just to have somebody to talk to.

But they won't. You like your healthcare now? You'll get to keep it. You'll just have to wait 3 months to have anything done.

You don't care about anything or anybody. The "others" you care about are nameless little subhumans that your noblesse oblige leads you to treat as if they are little pets.

Posted by: AmishDude at March 22, 2010 01:46 PM (T0NGe)

131 I'm not surprised Tom Corbett (Pennsylvania AG) is backing the lawsuit. He's the front-runner for Gov this fall and he can read poll numbers. (i.e. Toomey up 10 pts)

Posted by: BSR at March 22, 2010 01:46 PM (AJreE)

132 The party of hatred, churlishness, resentment, snarling, incivility and lies.

And we're the 'mean-spirited' ones, cupcake? This cracks me up every time I see it.

Posted by: Sort-of-Mad Max at March 22, 2010 01:46 PM (2PTT7)

133 "Wow, talk about stuck on stupid"

He sounds like one of the callers to CSPAN last night right after the vote on the Senate bill, and this was a kid who said he was attending Georgetown, one of the most prestigious universities in this country, talking about how he's so happy this passed because he "doesn't want to die." Literally, this idiot said about four times "because I don't want to die" as the reason for his supporting health care. Some privileged assfuck going to an elite university whining about how he's scared he's going to "die" if socialist healthcare isn't around to save him. What a fucking tool.

Posted by: skwiself at March 22, 2010 01:47 PM (nohPf)

134

The problem with that line of thinking is that the military will just
launch waves of Hellfires at insurrectionists, so perhaps we are truly
screwed after all.


We cannot fight our own military. It should never come to that. If it's bad enough to fight, we can expect our soldiers to be on our side. They are not trained to be nor are they blind automatons.

Posted by: s'moron at March 22, 2010 01:48 PM (UaxA0)

135 BETTER TO HAVE ALL AMERICANS HEALTHY? HEALTH INSURANCE DOESN'T MAKE YOU HEALTHY...JUST BECAUSE YOU HAVE COVERAGE DOES NOT MEAN YOU HAVE A CURE....HOW SIMPLE ARE YOU LIBS?

Posted by: phoenixgirl at March 22, 2010 01:48 PM (ukoQM)

136 mkhammer: Who's pumped about that five days of public comment we're gonna get on #hcr before Obama signs it? Oh...http://bit.ly/cTKRD7

Posted by: HeatherRadish at March 22, 2010 01:48 PM (mR7mk)

137 I abide by the old adage: Build a socialist a fire and he's warm for a day, set a socialist on fire and he's warm for the rest of his life.

Posted by: toby928: heartless oppressor of the poor at March 22, 2010 01:49 PM (PD1tk)

138 Let the trolls have their fun. They remind me of the Japanese at Pearl Harbor. They had a lopsided victory won by tricks and deciet.
Then they paid for it for the next decade. It's time to start making the libs pay their bill.

Posted by: robtr at March 22, 2010 01:49 PM (fwSHf)

139 Frum always seems to overlook the elephant in the room.

In this case, it was the "I Won" love gesture from Obama during the "stimulus" talks.

Posted by: Neo at March 22, 2010 01:49 PM (tE8FB)

140 "HOW SIMPLE ARE YOU LIBS?"

Simple enough to believe that Americans will happily endure four years of higher taxes and chaos in the health insurance industry and the wider economy in general in order for promised benefits at the end of those four years. Benefits that will never materialize in the way they have been promised.

Simple enough to believe that Americans won't throw them the fuck out in November. Very simple indeed.

Posted by: skwiself at March 22, 2010 01:50 PM (nohPf)

141 I knew Frum was a tool 15 years ago when he wrote in his book how he hated dealing with the proles. His main points were that he hated baseball caps, how the staff at the daycare center called him by his first name, and that cabbies and barbers would try to make small talk about sports. He's above vulgar athletics you see.

Posted by: fozzy at March 22, 2010 01:50 PM (ccEuN)

142 Screw David Frum. He's just a pet republican for the liberals. Any republican that believes he's on our side needs to have their head examined.

Posted by: Boycott all MSM advertisers at March 22, 2010 01:50 PM (DYJjQ)

143 You can't say Frum without F.You.

Posted by: Bob at March 22, 2010 01:50 PM (yAYid)

144 HEALTH INSURANCE DOESN'T MAKE YOU HEALTHY

But it says "health" on the box! Just like these six boxes of Snackwells I just ate!

Posted by: Typical Obama Voter at March 22, 2010 01:50 PM (mR7mk)

145 Socialism??? Yes, bro!!! Here it comes.....lovin' it!Selfish, self-centered Republicans 0Compassionate, caring Liberals .. 1This world is changing, fellas, change or stay bitter, unhappy, and spiritually stunted.Will my taxes go up? If so, so what? Better to have ALL Americans healthy. Come on guys, caring about others feels good.
This country was not founded so that we could ALL be healthy. It was founded so that we could ALL BE FREE. You don't deserve the freedom that you have talking like that. What you want is all over Western Europe - don't let the door hit you in the ass etc, etc.....

Posted by: Roadking at March 22, 2010 01:51 PM (gwz1g)

146 What is his position on denim jeans?

Posted by: reason at March 22, 2010 01:51 PM (F26eZ)

147 59, 79--I'm amazed, too. Maybe someone in this benighted state has his head on straight, after all.

And f*ck off with the anti-semitism, Andy Rand. What, you don't think Jews can be real conservatives?

I don't know, I'm kind of taken aback by the anti-semitism, anti-Catholicism, and racism I've seen on this board in the last couple of days. Neither we, nor Catholics, nor blacks/Latinos are the enemy. It's liberals who are the enemy, and let's not get off track.

Posted by: dulce at March 22, 2010 01:51 PM (HFdqI)

148 What is his position on denim jeans?
I give Will the occasional pass becasue he is at least coherent 90-plus percent of the time.

Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at March 22, 2010 01:52 PM (B+qrE)

149 I don't know, I'm kind of taken aback by the anti-semitism,
anti-Catholicism, and racism I've seen on this board in the last couple
of days.

Check the hash's. They're mobys.

Posted by: toby928: heartless oppressor of the poor at March 22, 2010 01:52 PM (PD1tk)

150 We have two major parties in this nationThe RepublicansThe Socialists

Posted by: Lemon Kitten at March 22, 2010 01:43 PM (0fzsA)

At the moment it's more like the socialists and the communists. But maybe we can boot the socialists out and take back the country.

Posted by: The Mega Independent at March 22, 2010 01:52 PM (J3CA3)

151 David Frum is another Andrew Sullivan or Charles Johnson. Or Peggy Noonan. Or Ann Althouse. Really REALLY wants to be a liberal and get to hang out with all the cool kids at their super special lunch table. From which they can lob spitballs at the rest of us nerds.
Useless idiot.

Posted by: Boots at March 22, 2010 01:53 PM (06JTY)

152 I don't know, I'm kind of taken aback by the anti-semitism, anti-Catholicism, and racism I've seen on this board in the last couple of days.
What the hell are you talking about?

Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at March 22, 2010 01:53 PM (B+qrE)

153
Glenn has a link to Reason - and Reason knocks Frum down a few notches.

Sick that Robert Gibbs is using Frum for propaganda purposes. The left are desperate for political cover, and Frum delivered.


snip[


"Frum doesn't spell out exactly what deal he thinks Republicans
should've cut, but the ground that he's implicitly suggesting
should've been given up was basically the whole enchilada: the
insurance mandate, the subsidies, the government run and regulated
marketplaces, the expansion of Medicaid. These are rotten policies
that, in just a few years, have already had rotten outcomes. What would have been gained by
ObamaCare opponents caving and supporting something along these
lines?

The best precedent for a Frum-style strategy of selling out compromise is
probably Medicare Part D. That bill picked up support from genuine
fiscal conservatives like Rep. Paul Ryan because the understanding
was that, if this version doesn't pass, something bigger and worse
will. As a political calculation, this makes sense. But the end
result wasn't one to be proud of: We still ended up with a poorly
designed, unsustainable, potentially disastrous policy. If
ObamaCare opponents had compromised, that's all they would have
succeeded in passing here. Fine, you might say, but
that's what we got anyway! Fair enough. But unlike the current
situation, they would have been responsible for those outcomes,
would have given liberals political cover, and ultimately put
themselves in a far weaker position to push for reforms."


...





Posted by: Lemon Kitten at March 22, 2010 01:54 PM (0fzsA)

154 I'm kind of taken aback by the anti-semitism, anti-Catholicism, and
racism I've seen on this board in the last couple of days. Neither we,
nor Catholics, nor blacks/Latinos are the enemy. It's liberals who are
the enemy, and let's not get off track.

Then maybe Jews, blacks, and latinos should stop being nearly universally socialist?

Posted by: the peanut gallery at March 22, 2010 01:54 PM (l71WL)

155 "Build a socialist a fire and he's warm for a day, set a socialist on fire and he's warm for the rest of his life."
See? When you spread the funnyaround, everyone benefits...

Posted by: reason at March 22, 2010 01:54 PM (F26eZ)

156 We're compassionate (toward the people who vote for us)!

Posted by: Great Left-Wing Slogans at March 22, 2010 01:54 PM (RD7QR)

157 Will my taxes go up? If so, so what? Better to have ALL Americans
healthy.

First of all, you don't pay taxes. And if you do, you're a worthless hypocritical shit for not refusing to take deductions when that money could go to support your favored "charity". Conservatives give vastly more -- in terms of raw dollars and by percentage of income -- to charities than you selfish shitstains would ever dream of.

Secondly, what kind of debilitating brain tumor do you have to suffer from to believe that Americans will get healthier under this Soviet-style debacle? Are you that fucking stupid? Did Nancy let you in on the bits of the bill that we weren't allowed to know about until it was passed? Was one of them "Resolved: All Americans will now be healthy?" Does Michael Jackson molest you in your little fairy tale alternate reality?

Here's some knowledge, asshole. 46.3% of doctors -- according to that far right-wing rag The New England Journal of Medicine -- will either be forced to quit their practice or will be encouraged to hang up their spurs and hit the links for some early retirement. All thanks to glorious Obamacare.

Feel the universal health!

Posted by: VJay at March 22, 2010 01:55 PM (gQ+XA)

158 Selfish, self-centered Republicans 0Compassionate, caring Liberals
.. 1

Ah, the cartoons of the liberal mind.
Will my taxes go up? If so, so what? Better to have
ALL Americans healthy. Come on guys, caring about others feels good.

Posted by: tasting victory
So what? It's not just your taxes. It's all taxes on those not in power. Now I know lefties only have a passing acquaintance with reality so I'm happy to explain. Taxes up, fewer jobs. More regulation on top of the pernicious system we have now? More monopolies granted by politicians and bureaucrats. More theft. More corruption. And less freedom.I realize socialists like yourself consider this the optimum but what you may not realize, reality-challenged and all, is you and your children will suffer ... Oh, that's right, you guys aren't too keen on the 'burden' of children. So it's just you and your hatred of everything that has allowed, for a brief shining moment, humanity to lift it's head from the dirt and prosper. Back to the dirt, is it? You may be surprised to learn we won't be joining you.

Posted by: Garbonzo the Garrulous at March 22, 2010 01:56 PM (w8ddH)

159
Liberals don't pay taxes. They. Just. Take.


Posted by: Lemon Kitten at March 22, 2010 01:57 PM (0fzsA)

160 I'm encouraging my GP to go Galt and he's at least considering it. My veterinarian also takes cash.

Posted by: toby928: heartless oppressor of the poor at March 22, 2010 01:57 PM (PD1tk)

161 And, for the record, Reason referenced by LemonKitten != me. In case anyone ever wondered reads what I post.

Posted by: reason at March 22, 2010 01:58 PM (F26eZ)

162 RELEASE THE BANHAMMER!!!

Posted by: ErikW at March 22, 2010 01:58 PM (FqzK5)

163 PENNSYLVANIA's state AG is on that
list?!?!?!



Our Governor will just steal more $$ from the Doctor's Malpractice Fund if he needs to. "For the Children", don't you know? They are probably just trying to get from both ends of the deal.


Posted by: dfbaskwill at March 22, 2010 01:59 PM (usjNq)

164 152

I don't know, I'm kind of taken aback by the anti-semitism,
anti-Catholicism, and racism I've seen on this board in the last couple
of days.

What the hell are you talking about?

Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at March 22, 2010 01:53 PM (B+qrE)

It's just been one troll who calls himself Quarles Harris (kyg+f). He was posting all last night about papists and Jews and the lesser races as he calls them.


Posted by: fozzy at March 22, 2010 01:59 PM (ccEuN)

165 I thought Ace (and others on this blog)didn't want to figuratively
"die on this hill?" The problem with that thinking is that eventually,
you run out of hills to defend from, let along die on.

Uhm, I was always under the impression that this specific hill was in fact one worth figuratively dying on, around these parts.

Went to the mattresses, they did

Have you seen this blog for the last two weeks?

But anyway...

We got kilt.

Sorry if your particular patch didn't seem to rate as high as you thought it should.

That's the thing about resources (physical and psychic).

They are scarce.

They have to be marshaled and deployed selectively.




Posted by: Deety at March 22, 2010 01:59 PM (aVzyR)

166 BETTER TO HAVE ALL AMERICANS HEALTHY? HEALTH INSURANCE DOESN'T MAKE YOU
HEALTHY...JUST BECAUSE YOU HAVE COVERAGE DOES NOT MEAN YOU HAVE A
CURE....HOW SIMPLE ARE YOU LIBS?

I'm a lifelong conservative with illness that runs in my family who is now questioning everything I understand about Republicans.

For example my baby sister has been a biped since birth. I'm so grateful to Obama that she will now be covered and get treatment.

Posted by: Magenta Mary at March 22, 2010 02:00 PM (J3CA3)

167 I don't know, I'm kind of taken aback by the anti-semitism, anti-Catholicism, and racism I've seen on this board in the last couple of days.
What the hell are you talking about you papist dego bastard?
FIFY.
I'm very concerned by your lack of devotion to the cause of driving out the polytheistic pagan greaseballs.


Andy Rand is a troll by the way. The anagram/male inflection of Ayn Rand was enough for suspicion but he's been consistently concern trolling/moby'ing every time I've spotted him like 8 threads now.

Posted by: Entropy at March 22, 2010 02:00 PM (IsLT6)

168 It's just been one troll who calls himself Quarles Harris (kyg+f). He was posting all last night about papists and Jews and the lesser races as he calls them.
Then let's not make it sound like we're all in on it. Other people cherrypick that kind ofshit and we don't need it....

Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at March 22, 2010 02:01 PM (B+qrE)

169 Holy crap - just read off the wire that Barry is going to sing the bill and then...

... wait for it...

... take it out on a traveling road show to "sell" it to a "skeptical" public.

So even when The Won gets his way against the will of a clear, nearly 2-1 majority of Americans, he can't shut the fuck up about it. Awesome.

Posted by: DocJ at March 22, 2010 02:02 PM (dt6br)

170 Andy Rand is a troll by the way.

john Ryan with a brand spanking new Shift key, courtesy of the Stimulus.

Posted by: VJay at March 22, 2010 02:02 PM (gQ+XA)

171
The anagram/male inflection of Ayn Rand was enough for suspicion but
he's been consistently concern trolling/moby'ing every time I've
spotted him like 8 threads now.

Well done, Scooby Joo.

Posted by: This is Carlton, the doorman at March 22, 2010 02:02 PM (Uf4aV)

172 Some privileged assfuck going to an elite university whining about how
he's scared he's going to "die" if socialist healthcare isn't around to
save him. What a fucking tool.

C-Span was Concern Troll Bullshit Central after the vote. And the host actually argued with the 2% of callers they let through who represented America's real opinion of this travesty.

Posted by: The Mega Independent at March 22, 2010 02:03 PM (J3CA3)

173 Uh, that's SIGN the bill (though he just might SING, you never know what Da Blow will make him do).

Posted by: DocJ at March 22, 2010 02:03 PM (dt6br)

174 ... take it out on a traveling road show to "sell" it to a "skeptical"
public.

I wonder what he was trying to do with those 55 speeches over the last 14 months?

Man couldn't sell pussy to Eliot Spitzer.

Posted by: HeatherRadish at March 22, 2010 02:03 PM (mR7mk)

175 "For example my baby sister has been a biped since birth. I'm so grateful to Obama that she will now be covered and get treatment."
Two legs good.Four legs better!

Posted by: The Sheep Chorus at March 22, 2010 02:03 PM (F26eZ)

176 Arroo?

Posted by: Scooby Joo at March 22, 2010 02:04 PM (PD1tk)

177 Circa - I'm not the one who brought it up, and someone already cleaned up his mess this morning. Just saying look out for that hash (kyg+f).

Posted by: fozzy at March 22, 2010 02:04 PM (ccEuN)

178 Damn, Heather.

Posted by: reason at March 22, 2010 02:05 PM (F26eZ)

179 Better to have ALL Americans healthy.

Here's a newsflash, genius, health insurance does not make you healthy. Neither does the government taking my money and giving it to someone else.

Posted by: huerfano at March 22, 2010 02:06 PM (gLSaO)

180 Well done, Scooby Joo.
Hey, I'm not the one quoting him and replying all super cereal like. It's just a PSA.

Posted by: Entropy at March 22, 2010 02:06 PM (IsLT6)

181 How many million people are going to lose their insurance when this piece of shit gets signed and sends premiums skyrocketing?


Posted by: HeatherRadish at March 22, 2010 01:44 PM (mR7mk)

*waves hand wildly, to get teacher's attention*
Meee!
(Right after the dumb-ass "2 year freeze on premiums" rider (extra $5 per month) that I would have scoffed at in normal times but took on last year with Health Scare specifically in mind.)

Posted by: Deety at March 22, 2010 02:08 PM (aVzyR)

182 the most inept communicator to occupy the Oval Office since Coolidge. That's dumb, and obviously the upshot of a cliched education. Coolidge was a master of the media, and controlled his image and message in radio, film and print. He didn't do vaudeville, which is how the Will Rogers jokes slipped through. His speeches were respected for content, oratory, and concision. Also, he was one of the best linguists to ever hold the office (behind Garfield, certainly, but probably tied with JQA): he wrote his own translation of the Gallic Commentaries as a student, and later did all of Dante's Inferno.
"You lose." --Cal Coolidge

Posted by: comatus at March 22, 2010 02:08 PM (/VEEI)

183 Scooby Snacks! (P)

Posted by: reason at March 22, 2010 02:08 PM (F26eZ)

184 When do we get to hear from David Brooks--he of the pants-crease admiration?

Brooks, Frum, Noonan, Parker and the other turds in the national punch bowl must be publicly held accountable for their role in pushing Obama. It it too late to revive the idea of the stocks in the public square?

Posted by: tsj017 at March 22, 2010 02:10 PM (4YUWF)

185 Obama is back, baby!! He's kickin' it, large, morally, courageously, and caring for the less fortunate.

Kumbaya, my brothers ... lets all hold hands and love one another.

Fear and hate are on the retreat!

Love and compassion are making a comeback in America.

We will use love to change you Republicans hard hearts!


Posted by: tasting victory at March 22, 2010 02:10 PM (oA4y0)

186 Too blunt?

Posted by: HeatherRadish at March 22, 2010 02:11 PM (mR7mk)

187 If David Frum were a Democrat would he be saying anything different?

Posted by: Greg at March 22, 2010 02:11 PM (nZXNe)

188 Compassionate, caring Liberals
.. 1

And as always, it's all demonstrated using Other People's Money.

Posted by: Blacque Jacques Shellacque at March 22, 2010 02:12 PM (Q75cY)

189 Nah, Heather. Just right.

Posted by: comatus at March 22, 2010 02:12 PM (/VEEI)

190 We will use love to change you Republicans hard hearts!

Unpossible, we have no hearts.

Posted by: toby928: bathing in the tears of the downtrodden at March 22, 2010 02:12 PM (PD1tk)

191 174 ... take it out on a traveling road show to "sell" it to a "skeptical" public.I wonder what he was trying to do with those 55 speeches over the last 14 months?Man couldn't sell pussy to Eliot Spitzer.

I am so stealing this, Heather.

Posted by: huerfano at March 22, 2010 02:13 PM (gLSaO)

192 ""Except of course that most of this bill came from conservative think tanks like the Heritage folks."

No need to ask for a citation, a simple "bullshit" will do."

Yes. Your are full of BS.

Here's one of many links if you look around. the idea of the individual mandate came from heritage in 1993. They now claim their own idea is unconstitutional.... lol. Pretty funny.

From Page 2:
"The idea of an individual mandate in health care has been considered at least since the early 1990s, when the Heritage Foundation, a conservative think tank, suggested such a route during the health care reform efforts of President
Clinton (11)"

Posted by: Jungster at March 22, 2010 02:13 PM (MN+T/)

193 Went for my pre-Army enlistmnt / yearly physical with my regular doctor this morning.

This is in a room full of movie industry people.

When they asked me for my co-payment, I very clearly and somewhat unnecessarily loudly said,

"Barak Obama says I don't need to pay for anything anymore. And he says I get a free unicorn."

I said it with a straight face like I expected an answer.

The nitwit behind the counter smiled for the first time since I started coming in there three years ago.

The rest of the people in the room had looks on their faces like I had taken a shit on their living room floor.
This fight is an every goddamn day crusade from now on.


Posted by: sifty at March 22, 2010 02:13 PM (1trNa)

194 I think we need to compose a cool island heart to chill Frum's hot heart. or is it a warm island song to melt his icy heart?


Posted by: Free Hat!!! at March 22, 2010 02:14 PM (AJreE)

195 the idea of the individual mandate came from heritage in 1993

I think a cite is in order here.

Posted by: toby928: bathing in the tears of the downtrodden at March 22, 2010 02:15 PM (PD1tk)

196
from page 2 of WHAT?

Posted by: This is Carlton, the doorman at March 22, 2010 02:16 PM (Uf4aV)

197 I see the liberal trolls are here.

Did all the methadone clinics and bathhouses close down this week or something? Did Warcraft crash?

Posted by: sifty at March 22, 2010 02:16 PM (1trNa)

198 *cool island song

Posted by: Free Hat!!! at March 22, 2010 02:16 PM (AJreE)

199 #193. LOL- I would have loved to to have seen that.

Posted by: jewells at March 22, 2010 02:16 PM (l/N7H)

200 #194 How about a fresh island song to cool his hot temper?

Posted by: the peanut gallery at March 22, 2010 02:17 PM (l71WL)

201 193
That's just 7 kinds of wonderful!!

Posted by: highlander707 at March 22, 2010 02:18 PM (74QJW)

202 Movie people are the easiest and funnest liberals to fuck with. Their knowledge of everything is a foot wide and a 1/4 inch deep. Yet they know it all.

And their comfort zone is so small and squishy. You can push them out of it with no effort at all.

Mention the word "Constitution" and you can hear them suck half the seat cushion up their asses.

Posted by: sifty at March 22, 2010 02:20 PM (1trNa)

203 I was wondering when Lord Haw-Haw would sally forth frum his forum to try to demoralize us.

Posted by: A Balrog of Morgoth at March 22, 2010 02:21 PM (wgLRl)

204 As always I feel the need to correct conservative discourse. The reason Republicans wouldn't vote for the bill isn't because the Democrats wouldn't "add Republicans ideas", it's because there were wayyyyy too many Democrat "ideas" in the bill.
FAIL! It is because notwithstanding the philisophical difference about the ideas themselves, the lies aabout cost, savings, limitations on procedures as one gets older etc. were overwhelming. Why can't the dems just lay out thier ideas and pass them without lieing? Because the truth would SINK them!

Posted by: rightzilla at March 22, 2010 02:25 PM (rVJH4)

205 I think Frum is just trying to be last against the wall when the revolution comes.

Posted by: Dunkirk at March 22, 2010 02:26 PM (kbHJ6)

206 This is a transfer of wealth from strong, able bodied to weak, poor, aged.

That's all. Don't sweat it. You might have to give up a few pay-per-view UFC fights, a few less six-packs, a few less rounds of ammo at the firing range.....you guys can handle it.


Posted by: tasting victory at March 22, 2010 02:26 PM (oA4y0)

207 Something that liberals always forget when they win a battle:

They have all the pussies on their side. They can't really kill our spirit, because WE fight for more than free lollipops from Guberment Daddy.

Posted by: sifty at March 22, 2010 02:27 PM (1trNa)

208 sifty, if you do not yet publish a newsletter, please do so, so that I may subscribe to it.
Heather, I will think of you next time I use a hammer.

Posted by: reason at March 22, 2010 02:27 PM (5npD/)

209 and caring for the less fortunate.

By turning my kids and every other productive individual in this country into government slaves to pay for the lazy parasites that make up your party's chief voting block.

All while he jets around on Air Force One and throws a mega-kegger at the White House -- on the taxpayer's dime -- every other day.

Yeah, what a fucking hero.

Posted by: VJay at March 22, 2010 02:28 PM (gQ+XA)

210 In 1994 the New America Foundation called for an individual mandate you stupid fucker...Not the Heritage foundation. Now go in the closet and fuck yourself dipshit!

Dr. Len Nichols, Director of the Health Policy Program at the New America Foundation, called an individual mandate an "absolutely necessary" pre-condition to universal health care:
he stated that, without a mandate, only a maximum of about half of
uninsured Americans would likely obtain coverage under any
non-compulsory reform; he also stated that it creates a more fair
system in which people with pre-existing conditions
are no longer denied services or have the costs of their treatment
shifted onto others, with more pre-emptive care saving money as well.

Posted by: Hedgehog at March 22, 2010 02:28 PM (oQIfB)

211 Enjoy the taste of victory, Comrade. Because you will be tasting ass in November.


Posted by: sifty at March 22, 2010 02:30 PM (1trNa)

212 This is a transfer of wealth from strong, able bodied to weak, poor,
aged.

Well, at least you're more honest about it than the totalitarian psychopath infecting the Oval Office has ever been.

But you gotta admire the strength of delusion of stupidity it takes to believe that the weak -- the ones that Barry can't go 15 minutes without telling to take a pain pill and die already -- are somehow better cared for on a system intentionally designed to "control costs" by denying health care to those that need it the most.

Imbecile.

Posted by: VJay at March 22, 2010 02:31 PM (gQ+XA)

213 I'm still waiting for my finger paints to arrive, Nancy.

Posted by: The artist formerly known as dr kill at March 22, 2010 02:34 PM (w9bVp)

214 No newsletter yet, but with luck of one kind or another I'll be doing my bitching from the Army.

Posted by: sifty at March 22, 2010 02:36 PM (1trNa)

215 "In 1994 the New America Foundation called for an individual mandate you stupid fucker...Not the Heritage foundation. Now go in the closet and fuck yourself dipshit!"

Sorry. forgot to post the link last time. here it is. Just search around and you will find many erferences to both the Heritage and the NAF.

And I'm not really sure I understand your need to tell me to go into the closet and fuck myself when i'm just pointing out that some of these ideas came from conservatives.

I always feel bad for people with that much anger. Hopefully, you are having a good day. I wish you the best.

"The idea of an individual mandate in health care has been considered at least since the early 1990s, when the Heritage Foundation, a conservative think tank, suggested such a route during the health care reform efforts of President
Clinton (11)"

http://bit.ly/9gFoKo

Posted by: Jungster at March 22, 2010 02:36 PM (MN+T/)

216 "The idea of an individual mandate in health care has been considered at
least since the early 1990s, when the Heritage Foundation, a
conservative think tank, suggested such a route during the health care
reform efforts of President

Clinton (11)"
Posted by: Jungster

Well if Clinton said it, it must be true! I trust liberals to honestly represent thing conservatives say! It's


Posted by: Garbonzo the Garrulous at March 22, 2010 02:38 PM (w8ddH)

217 That's all. Don't sweat it. You might have to give up a few pay-per-view UFC fights, a few less six-packs, a few less rounds of ammo at the firing range.....you guys can handle it.
First, glad to see your such an open minded “progressive” that you just assume all of us are beer swilling, gun toting, consumers of violence. Second, assuming you can open such a closed mind for a few minutes, the question is not whether one can, or can not afford, a governmental health care plan (we can’t), the issue is does this particular plan actually address the problems with health care. That answer is no. Why do people not have health insurance? Is it because they don’t want it…for the most part, that answer is no. Yes, a significant portion of the younger population (the 18-27 age group) elects not to purchase health insurance, because they deem they do not need it, but for the most part, people would like to have health insurance. The underlying issue: health insurance is expensive because health care is expensive. Why is health care expensive? There really is not one answer to this, it’s a multiple effect. Scarcity of the commodity (in large part because the AMA continues to have a monopoly on who can and can not become a doctor in this country – which is unaltered under Obama care and one of the reasons the AMA jumped to join in on Obamacare so fast), the overhead cost of the product (equipment is not cheap, doctors are not cheap, etc.). And yes, needless lawsuits, government red tape and inefficiency of the medical industry all factor in. What, in Obamacare, actually reduces cost. Nothing. There are no more doctors, medical research cost is not reduced, bureaucratic costs are not reduced. That is the problem with health care and why this plan does nothing.

You are celebrating nothing more than a legislative temple to the narcassitic trait of the President of the United States. Nothing more and nothing less.

Posted by: Mallamutt at March 22, 2010 02:38 PM (V9SYy)

218 Jackasses like Frum and Brooks can run their mouths knowing it keeps the invites flowing at all the best parties.
They are meaningless at this point- going forward into November and beyond , it's "big boy' time for the GOP . You are either" all in" to stop these lunatics or GTFO.
Frum and his ilk may as well be the bums with the cardboard signs at the left turn only lanes.
Ignore their worthless asses.

Posted by: jjshaka at March 22, 2010 02:39 PM (eIGu+)

219
And I'm not really sure I understand your need to tell me to go into
the closet and fuck myself when i'm just pointing out that some of
these ideas came from conservatives.

hahaha, I see you're a graduate from the Obama School of Obfuscation Lying.

Posted by: This is Carlton, the doorman at March 22, 2010 02:39 PM (UUkhk)

220 Yeah, you evil wingnuts. We libs, as, well, will have to sacrifice...one less Starbucks latte, less arugula, less deodorant...well, we don't spend much on that anyway...less gay porn, etc. All for the weak! I feel better just typing that!

So, keep on allowing the government parasites to pick your pockets, you can handle it!

Posted by: Tasting Obama's Ass at March 22, 2010 02:40 PM (YmPwQ)

221 http://bit.ly/9gFoKo doesn't seem to link to anything from Heritage. Bad link?

Posted by: toby928: bathing in the tears of the downtrodden at March 22, 2010 02:44 PM (PD1tk)

222 185
Obama is back, baby!! He's kickin' it, large, morally, courageously,
and caring for the less fortunate.Kumbaya, my brothers ... lets
all hold hands and love one another.Fear and hate are on the
retreat!Love and compassion are making a comeback in America.We
will use love to change you Republicans hard hearts!

Oh my God, it's Will I Am.

Posted by: Pyrocles at March 22, 2010 02:49 PM (xzSvW)

223 http://bit.ly/9gFoKo doesn't seem to link to anything from Heritage.
Bad link?

It's not. I followed the end note to another publication, which says the same thing, without attribution or note.

Even if they did suggest such a mandate, it's not outside the realm of possibility that they changed their minds.

Posted by: Slublog at March 22, 2010 02:50 PM (qjKko)

224 206
This is a transfer of wealth from strong, able bodied to weak, poor,
aged.That's all. Don't sweat it. You might have to give up a
few pay-per-view UFC fights, a few less six-packs, a few less rounds of
ammo at the firing range.....you guys can handle it.

Yeah!

Each according to his need; each according to his ability!

It's in the Constitution!


Posted by: V. Lenin at March 22, 2010 02:52 PM (xzSvW)

225 In dis-honor of Obamacare, I am no longer giving free travel soaps to those hippy cocksuckers strumming guitars on the sidewalk in downtown Burbank.

ps: Everyone try that. Carry around some of those little motel/hotel soaps in your pocket when walking around. When you see a hippy musician asking for money, drop a soap in their hat. Then get a picture of the delightful look on their face.

It's better than a good steak and a Sam Adams.

Posted by: sifty at March 22, 2010 02:53 PM (1trNa)

226 221
http://bit.ly/9gFoKo doesn't seem to link to anything from Heritage. Bad link?


Posted by: toby928: bathing in the tears of the downtrodden at March 22, 2010 02:44 PM (PD1tk)


This links to an article by the American College of Physicians whose leadership is in favor of Individual mandates and universal health care. There is nothing there that links directly to Heritage. I call absolute bullshit.

You can find articles on the Heritage from 1994 where they criticize Hawaii's individual mandate. Jungster, if you can provide something from Heritage, do it. If not, don't make the claim. Oh, and yes I am very angry today! Every American with a brain should be too.

Posted by: Hedgehog at March 22, 2010 02:54 PM (oQIfB)

227 I followed the end note to another
publication, which says the same
thing, without attribution or note.



Yeah. I've had the pleasure of chasing many cites from one to another
to another to another that can't then be found anywhere. I only give
credence to primary sources.



Libs lie, especially in footnotes.



It's what they do.

Posted by: toby928: bathing in the tears of the downtrodden at March 22, 2010 02:55 PM (PD1tk)

228 You'd think that the folks at Heritage would have mentioned that they were in favor of the individual mandate here.

http://tiny.cc/2dcux

Posted by: Hedgehog at March 22, 2010 02:58 PM (oQIfB)

229 Methinks "tasting victory" will soon be tasting hickory when cold hard reality wonks him/her/it upside his/her/its jiffy pop head. Fluffy happy magic phrases won't save you from the suckage that lies down the road to big government control and Socialism.

Posted by: Tasting Freedom (still) at March 22, 2010 03:04 PM (iqtwu)

230 Build a socialist a fire and he ... will burn down his neighbor's house

Posted by: Neo at March 22, 2010 03:10 PM (tE8FB)

231 Many people have commented upon on thing or another wrt the health care bill and how un-constitutional it is.

What most, even the states filing suit against it are overlooking, is the simplest of issues. Underlying our constitution is the legal principle of Habeas Corpus.

How many laws on the books - including those approved of by conservatives and Republicans - are founded upon bills of Attainder? - i.e. "an act of the legislature declaring a person or group of
persons guilty of some crime and punishing them without benefit of a
trial."

For example, Welfare, as well as Social Security punishes one group while offering benefits to another group, based solely upon the difference in their ages or upon their willingness and ability to support themselves.

Child Support punished one group - mostly male - while offering benefits to another group - primarily female.

Government licensing of marriage offers punishments to one group - those who sought no government approval for their relationships - while offering benefits to those who seek approval from government for their private relationships.

Government employees and politicians are offered benefits and exemptions denied to American citizens, benefiting one group while un-constitutionally punishing another. (If government fiat (read: coercion and force) takes income and property from one group to give to another, the group giving up their income and property is being punished...by a Bill of Attainder.)

Why does it surprise anyone that government under both Democrats and Republicans has continued to offer such punishments and benefits under un-constitutional laws and regulations in such areas as health care, banking, finance, housing, manufacturing and even car sales, as well as every other area of our lives?

The Heatlh Care law is merely the latest in a l,long line of un-constitutional Bills of Attainder...and it won't be the last until you rise up against it...against all of it...and are willing to return to living as free men and women in a free society and nation.

Posted by: Warren Bonesteel at March 22, 2010 03:21 PM (/b5Te)

232 What kind of thumping great retard thinks that the Democrats wanted or even were remotely interested in some kind of deal with Republicans? How stupid do you have to be to even consider that conclusion?

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at March 22, 2010 03:34 PM (PQY7w)

233 David Scum is a Fabian socialist.

Posted by: RJ at March 22, 2010 03:57 PM (ADbI4)

234 Bravo David ! Take that winguts !
BTW are u still taking me to the Aparatchiks' Ball next weekend or did that bitch Kathleen talk you into ditching me ?

Posted by: Peggy Noonan at March 22, 2010 04:03 PM (rPDD/)

235 We will use love to change you Republicans hard
hearts!

Posted by: tasting victory at March 22, 2010 02:10 PM

A blowjob would be a good start

Posted by: kbdabear at March 22, 2010 04:12 PM (sYxEE)

236
Would David Frum offer his bare hairy ass to a terrorist holding him as a hostage?
Who knows David? Maybe if you wink at the guy and squeal lovingly, like a pet pig - maybe he won't behead you. Maybe if you put on some lipstick and rouge and throw the guy a kiss and tell him to "ride" you like John Wayne rode mustangs ... maybe, just maybe ... he'll let you off with your life.
Of course - you'd have to live the rest of your life knowing what you did, and how you sold out and compromised your honor - but these are things I take it you don't readily think of much anyway David.

Posted by: HondaV65 at March 22, 2010 04:14 PM (8NiWI)

237 When will you grubby "tea baggers" learn to respect your intellectual betters?

All Mr. Frum seeks is what is best for the country -- a Republican party that will not embarrass him and his friends when they attend Georgetown dinner parties. Is that really too much to ask?

Tsk, tsk. If only you morons would just heed Mr. Frum or that erudite chap who writes for The Times, Mr. Brooks, rather than listening to that uncouth louts Limbaugh and Beck. And, please, don't get me started on those unintelligible Internet pages, these "blogs." No one with a proper education writes for nor reads such things.

Posted by: Thurston Howell III at March 22, 2010 04:16 PM (jg+Fr)

238 234

Bravo David ! Take that winguts !

BTW are u still taking me to the Aparatchiks' Ball next weekend or
did that bitch Kathleen talk you into ditching me ?

Posted by: Peggy Noonan at March 22, 2010 04:03 PM

Sorry ya old bag, Davey will be joining me and Allah in a threesome. Davey will rub chocolate syrup all over me and Allah will try to lick it off before the flies get to me.

They will be allowed to stay and watch Russell Brand come in and do me in the squeakhole

Posted by: Meghan McCain at March 22, 2010 04:20 PM (sYxEE)

239 Frum wrote 2/3 of the axis of evil line! hahhaha
We then, let's all stand up and listen to what this oracle has to say.

Posted by: exceller at March 22, 2010 04:35 PM (jx2Td)

240 Would David Frum offer his bare hairy ass to a terrorist holding him as a hostage?
Funny you should ask that. He was a big admirer of Ahmed Chalabi, who was not a terrorist but was an agent of the Iranian government. Keep in mind that Chalabi was widely reputed to be teh ghey, and that Frum gets hateful about women sending sexual signals.
I strongly suspect that Frum was in a homosexual dalliance with Chalabi, and as such came under the direct control of Iranian intelligence. I also suspect that Bush's people came to suspect the same but couldn't prove it, which would explain why they cut him loose in a big frickin' hurry.

Posted by: Ken at March 22, 2010 05:02 PM (fh5xr)

241 Frum also was to the left of Barack Obama on the right to bear arms. When protesters armed themselves against SEIU thugs, Obama conceded their right to do so, while Frum condemned them.

Posted by: Ken at March 22, 2010 05:04 PM (fh5xr)

242 @238: I know that post is a fake. David wouldn't screw a female.

Posted by: Ken at March 22, 2010 05:05 PM (fh5xr)

243 They are meaningless at this point- going forward into November and beyond , it's "big boy' time for the GOP . You are either" all in" to stop these lunatics or GTFO.
Unfortunately this is not the case. Frum has no influence in the general populace, but he is shaping up to be a major player in the Mitt Romney campaign.
Email Mitt's PAC and tell them you won't vote for him if he has any connection with this evil snake.

Posted by: Ken at March 22, 2010 05:08 PM (fh5xr)

244 What Frum is failing to notice was that the individual mandate was brought up as an example of the strong-arm tactics that would be required to make universal health care coverage remotely viable financially. The point was to bring forward an understanding of how radical of an impact this would have on personal liberty in a nation founded on it.

They were not speaking in favor of the individual mandate. They were trying to point out why the idea of forcing health care upon all was an imposition of tyranny.

Posted by: epobirs at March 22, 2010 05:25 PM (Bk4z/)

245 The more I read what Frum had to say the more the hating closet-anti-capitalist in him comes through. Someone needs to tell Lawrence of Patomaca that he's "gone native."
What the hell's wrong with selling beds, David ? Do you donate your writing time to charity ? Oh, that's right, your integrity isn't for sale unlike crass, commercial Rush.
Elitist jerk.

Posted by: Societyis2blame at March 22, 2010 05:26 PM (rPDD/)

246 I don't give a fuck what David Frum has to say. IMHO it was a big mistake for Bush to surround himself with RINO asshats like Frum. He'll never learn, and he'll always find some way to argue that the Democrat Lite position is a winner for the GOP.

Posted by: FatBaldnSassy at March 22, 2010 05:41 PM (Lq9ag)

247 just had to drop in to let everyone know i wouldn't piss on frum if he was on fire.....unless i just drank a gallon of gas.

Posted by: evil libertarian at March 22, 2010 06:10 PM (BGJM2)

248 I wonder about Stupak.
When I was in 6th grade, we had a contest with the other 6th grade class on who would run more laps around the track for aschool fitness thing. We posted low numbers so the other class would think they were ahead, and at the end we surprised them.
I wonder if the Democrats did the same thing here with pre-announced vote intentions.

Posted by: Steve O at March 22, 2010 07:24 PM (UvKar)

249 "hardliners"

Hardliners?!!! I am a "hardliner" for wanted the government to stay the frakk out of my life?!!!

Frum is worse than useless.

Posted by: qrstuv at March 22, 2010 08:41 PM (1fE6t)

250 "Barak Obama says I don't need to pay for anything anymore. And he says I get a free unicorn." -- Thread winner. Good on you, bro.

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