The Left's Newest, Stupidest Smear: Yoo and Cheney Argued President Could Lawfully Order "Massacre" of Entire Village of "Civilians"

Note that last word -- "civilians."

See if you can spot it in this exchange:

At the core of the legal arguments were the views of Yoo, strongly backed by David Addington, Vice President Dick Cheney's legal counsel, that the president's wartime powers were essentially unlimited and included the authority to override laws passed by Congress, such as a statute banning the use of torture. Pressed on his views in an interview with OPR investigators, Yoo was asked:

"What about ordering a village of resistants to be massacred? ... Is that a power that the president could legally—"

"Yeah," Yoo replied, according to a partial transcript included in the report. "Although, let me say this: So, certainly, that would fall within the commander-in-chief's power over tactical decisions."

"To order a village of civilians to be [exterminated]?" the OPR investigator asked again.

"Sure," said Yoo.

The word is used in the second posing of the question. The first time the question's posed, however, a different word is used: resistants. That is, enemy combatants.

They're not talking about passive resistance here. They don't mean Gandhi-like dead-weight people-chains.

They're talking about active, forceful resistance. In the context of our lawful and justified invasion (Afghanistan) with a lawful and justified purpose (hunting the terrorists and their enablers and protectors who caused 9/11). And those terrorists taking refuge in a village, and those villagers deciding to resort to force to repel a lawful, justified sweep of the town.

So the argument seems to be whether the President can order the destruction of a village comprised of enemy combatants who are "civilians" in the unlawful sense of not being part of a regular army with clearly-visible markings.

And of course he can. What would the rule be otherwise? That we can kill lawful, regular, uniformed combatants but not unlawful, irregular, un-uniformed ones? What the hell kind of incentive is that?

You'll be happy to know that Andrew Sullivan calls this This Era's Hiroshima. Something that didn't actually happen -- something that was argued was within the President's power to order. And he could -- if a village of Taliban opens fire on our soldiers and will not permit them to come inside and arrest the terrorists they're looking for, of course the president can order airstrikes. Neither Bush nor Obama is doing that, of course, but they could.

The Geneva Conventions, by the way, permit just this. The rule is against excessive civilian casualties when attacking a legitimate military target. If the target is legitimate and the civilian casualties "not excessive" (vague, to be sure, but how the hell else can you frame it?), the much-vaunted Geneva Conventions bless this.

And of course they do. How else could war be conducted?

Oh, and Sullivan then he compares this all to the Nazis' Lidice massacre and of course My Lai.

It's not just that Sullivan is shrill. And tedious.

It's also that he's ignorant. He postures as learned, but in fact he's not; I'd bet dollars to donuts he just picked up the Lidice reference from another leftwing blogger or in a Google serach. He was probably looking for the Katyn massacre and came up with this one and figured it was better, and made him seem a little smarter. Or more likely, he didn't even remember the Katyn massacre; he just knew he wanted to go full Godwin for the sixty-three billionth time and googled "Nazi massacre."

And I say that because that's his stock in trade; he tarts up shrill, hyperpartisan nonsense with the thinnest, shallowest veneer of Oxbridge book-learning and calls himself a genius for doing so.

Thanks to EdwardR.


Posted by: Ace at 12:38 PM



Comments

1 >You'll be happy to know that Andrew Sullivan calls this This Era's Hiroshima.
What a wonderful era we live in when the worse atrocity didn't actually happen.

Posted by: Mama AJ at February 24, 2010 12:40 PM (Be4xl)

2
Either the President has the authority to destroy an entire village or we need to dig up Truman and have him on trial.

Posted by: Ziva David at February 24, 2010 12:43 PM (XiQgY)

3 Hah, that didn't even occur to me, even with him expressly calling it "This era's Hiroshima."

Posted by: ace at February 24, 2010 12:44 PM (jlvw3)

4 And what about Lincoln and that whole Atlanta thing?

Posted by: WalrusRex at February 24, 2010 12:46 PM (xxgag)

5 Hey Andi, it wasn't just Hiroshima. I did it to Nagasaki too.

You stupid syphilitic f*ck.

Posted by: Zombie Harry Truman at February 24, 2010 12:46 PM (bbn3s)

6 Dresden
Tokyo
...

Posted by: nine coconuts at February 24, 2010 12:46 PM (DHNp4)

7 Sitting in International Criminal Law at this very moment going over this very topic right now.
Damn right its lawful. Civvies can't fight and expect not to be fired at

Posted by: Jollyroger at February 24, 2010 12:47 PM (M2K1f)

8 This feels just like 9/11 all over again..

Posted by: Ben at February 24, 2010 12:47 PM (wuv1c)

9 One word: Dresden

Posted by: Guy Fawkes at February 24, 2010 12:48 PM (cpuvG)

10 Off topic, but grist for the ONT:
Winnipeg teachers slapped for pep rally lap dance
SCREENSHOT #1
SCREENSHOT #2

Posted by: at February 24, 2010 12:48 PM (kyg+f)

11 Actually, what the f*ck does that even mean?

"This era's Hiroshima".

You mean it would end the war with vastly fewer casualties on both sides than a conventional military operation?

What a complete ignoramus that shithead is.



Posted by: Waterhouse at February 24, 2010 12:48 PM (bbn3s)

12 And what about Lincoln and that whole Atlanta thing?

A guy accidently drops his lit cigar on a bail of cotton and you just won't let him live it down.

Posted by: W.T. Sherman at February 24, 2010 12:48 PM (wuv1c)

13 "-- if a village of Taliban opens fire on our soldiers and will not
permit them to come inside and arrest the terrorists they're looking
for, of course the president can order airstrikes. Neither Bush nor Obama is doing that, of course, but they could.
The Geneva Conventions, by the way, permit just this."

Not only do they permit it, but the Conventions place the blame for the deaths of any innocent civilians in such a situation on the terrorists hiding amongst the civilians, not on the attacking force.

Posted by: Nighthawk at February 24, 2010 12:48 PM (OtQXp)

14 Better Dig up Churchill, Roosevelt and all those involved with bombing Germany too. Zombie war criminal trials for all.

Posted by: The Chicken at February 24, 2010 12:49 PM (sV3Dv)

15 I haven't seen a brutal pounding like this since the battle of Sullivan's Ass Crack in 2003.

Posted by: Ben at February 24, 2010 12:50 PM (wuv1c)

16 Either the President has the authority to destroy an entire village or we need to dig up Truman and have him on trial.

I remember when John Stewart called for just that in an argument with Cliff Mays.

Posted by: Ben at February 24, 2010 12:50 PM (wuv1c)

17 "... he tarts up shrill, hyperpartisan nonsense with the thinnest,
shallowest veneer of Oxbridge book-learning and calls himself a genius
for doing so."

And then you stupidly provide him with all the publicity that his tartings are designed to elicit.

Who's the moron, again?

Andrew Sullivan seems to have a power over you, Ace. An ability that enables him to make you give him free publicity. Why not just stop. writing. about. Andrew. Sullivan. unless it's about his ability to dodge our drug and immigration laws.

In the publicity business, they say there's no such thing as bad publicity. And you just keep giving it to him.

Free of charge.

Moron.

Posted by: someguy at February 24, 2010 12:51 PM (VRJIW)

18 Shit I guess one of my heroes, Curtil LeMay is going to be posthumously tried as well.

Posted by: Ben at February 24, 2010 12:51 PM (wuv1c)

19 The Geneva Conventions, by the way, permit just this. The rule is against excessive civilian casualties when attacking a legitimate military target. If the target is legitimate and the civilian casualties "not excessive" (vague, to be sure, but how the hell else can you frame it?), the much-vaunted Geneva Conventions bless this.
If I am not mistaken, the Geneva Convention also requires that military sites be kept widely separate from civilianareas so that these "civilian" deaths do not occur due to collateral damage.
You have to take all the rules into account. If a warring group hides their combatants amoung the civilians and then the civilians get hurt and killed, it the fault of the warring faction that hid amoung the civilians and they are the ones who are supposed to be held accountable.
Of course, you would have to get all the anti-American assholes in the U.N. to actually rule IAW with those rules.

Posted by: Vic at February 24, 2010 12:51 PM (QrA9E)

20 I haven't seen a brutal pounding like this since the battle of Sullivan's Ass Crack in 2003.
I have.

Posted by: erg at February 24, 2010 12:51 PM (VDgKF)

21 What a flaming asshole Andrew Sullivan has become. He is in dire need of good old fashioned hillbilly shitkicking.

Posted by: U.S.S. Yorktown at February 24, 2010 12:52 PM (sYEpI)

22 Actually, what the f*ck does that even mean?

"This era's Hiroshima".

Posted by: Waterhouse at February 24, 2010 12:48 PM (bbn3s)

I'd prefer to call "this era's Y2K hysteria."

Posted by: WalrusRex at February 24, 2010 12:52 PM (xxgag)

23 As commentary put it today, Yoo has the right to dance on Eric Holders grave. And does.

Posted by: Guy Fawkes at February 24, 2010 12:52 PM (cpuvG)

24 WAR what is it goo for?

Posted by: typical lib-tard at February 24, 2010 12:52 PM (XZu3c)

25 "So the argument seems to be whether the President can order the
destruction of a village comprised of enemy combatants who are
"civilians" in the unlawful sense of not being part of a regular army
with clearly-visible markings."

No no no No NO! That's just wrong!
That should be:
"...the argument seems to be whether the President can order the
destruction of a village composed of enemy combatants who are
"civilians" ... "

You're quite welcome, I'm sure.

Posted by: Granny Grammar, grasping the big picture at February 24, 2010 12:53 PM (c3edU)

26 And when he started to assert that Yoo interpreted the Founders' view of the Presidency, I noticed no citation appeared. What a shock.

Posted by: eddiebear at February 24, 2010 12:53 PM (wnU1W)

27 If only we had had the bomb.

Posted by: Reinhard Heydrich at February 24, 2010 12:53 PM (GwPRU)

28 Aren't all these dirt bag Taliban goat fuckers civilians?
Excuse my french

Posted by: dagny at February 24, 2010 12:54 PM (NjAB3)

29 The rule is against excessive civilian casualties when
attacking a legitimate military target.

I think the phrase is disproportionate to the military necessity. It's against the rules to kill an entire city to stop a sniper. But, if you are trying to kill the supreme leader of an enemy state, its fair game.

Munich for a sniper, illegal.
Berlin for Hitler, legal.

Posted by: toby928 at February 24, 2010 12:55 PM (PD1tk)

30 Ah kill em all and let G-D sort them out.

Posted by: nevergiveup at February 24, 2010 12:55 PM (ekqTc)

31 Thoughtwarcrime: It's even worse than the real thing. We'll convene the UN Hypothetical Atrocity Council straight away.

BTW, when did Hiroshima become an undisputed "atrocity"? (But not Nagasaki, apparently - I guess they deserved it.) Last I checked, even the Japanese conceded that casualties would've been vastly higher if we'd tried to end the war via conventional warfare. And many more civilians, in total, were killed by the less novel types of bombs. I guess deaths from nuclear weapons are graded on a curve or something.


Posted by: Bryan C at February 24, 2010 12:55 PM (T3KlW)

32 This is like this centuries 9/11...oh wait.

Posted by: Andi Sullivan at February 24, 2010 12:55 PM (wuv1c)

33 Ah kill em all and let G-D sort them out.
I get fist pick!

Posted by: Lucifer at February 24, 2010 12:56 PM (NjAB3)

34
Do not speak to me of rules. This is war! This is not a game of cricket!




Posted by: col Saito at February 24, 2010 12:56 PM (DHNp4)

35 BTW, when did Hiroshima become an undisputed "atrocity"? (But not Nagasaki, apparently - I guess they deserved it.)
Did you see the way Hiroshima was checking out your old lady? It deserved it.

Also didn't we later find out the Hiroshima and Nagasaki were actually nuked by Whale and Dolphin?

Posted by: Ben at February 24, 2010 12:56 PM (wuv1c)

36 Don't forget me

Posted by: Hanoi at February 24, 2010 12:57 PM (fwSHf)

37 This is like this centuries 9/11...oh wait.

Posted by: Andi Sullivan at February 24, 2010 12:55 PM (wuv1c)
9/11? Never heard of it.

Posted by: Charlie Gibson at February 24, 2010 12:57 PM (7BU4a)

38 Don't forget us either

Posted by: Stalingrad and Carthage at February 24, 2010 12:58 PM (NjAB3)

39
Shit I guess one of my heroes, Curtil LeMay is going to be posthumously tried as well.

Posted by: Ben at February 24, 2010 12:51 PM (wuv1c)
Kinda OT but what the hell? I recently watched Above and Beyond about the pilot on the Hiroshima mission. (Don't bother. It's a crap movie about how his need for secrecy damaged his marriage.) But there was one interesting thing. Jim Backus, best known as Thurston Howell III but who also voiced Mr. Magoo, played LeMay. He physically resembled LeMay and did a good job. I just had to wrap my mind around Mr. Magoo ordering the Tokyo firebombings.P.S. Thirteen Days made LeMay look like a maniac.

Posted by: WalrusRex at February 24, 2010 12:58 PM (xxgag)

40 This episode of the NewSpeak Chronicles has been brought to you by Big Brother and the Ministry of Truth. A George Orwell Production!

Posted by: Truman North at February 24, 2010 12:59 PM (e8YaH)

41
You'll be happy to know that Andrew Sullivan calls this This Era's Hiroshima
I don't think Sullivan gets how unintentionally funny that is. Hiroshima was a good thing. It prevented the deaths of millions, perhaps tens of millions. It prevented the use of more atomic bombs and the eventually blockade, starvation and invasion of the four main Japanese Islands.
So, he is comparing it to something that is the exact opposite of what he intended. Hiroshima prevents the future losss of more live, as does this decision by Yoo

Posted by: Ben at February 24, 2010 01:00 PM (wuv1c)

42
BTW, when did Hiroshima become an undisputed "atrocity"?

The second MacArthur told the soviets to go fuck themselves and kept them out of Japan.

Posted by: Dang Straights at February 24, 2010 01:01 PM (fx8sm)

43 Ah kill em all and let G-D sort them out.

Posted by: nevergiveup at February 24, 2010 12:55 PM (ekqTc)
Hey it worked pretty well for me. If there is anything we French know about, it is what to do with troubling minorities...

Posted by: King Louis IX at February 24, 2010 01:01 PM (7BU4a)

44 What are we bitching about today?

Posted by: Lefty Today at February 24, 2010 01:01 PM (+zo63)

45 Oh, and one other point. If
Clinton hadn't adopted this lawfare model and we had aggressively
eliminated the Islamists making war on us there would almost certainly
not have been a 9/11.

When Clinton was offered Osama
repeatedly by the Somalis, it was in his power to have the man shot as
per the norms of war. But instead he refused on the grounds he likely
couldn't convict Osama in the civilian justice system.


Posted by: 18-1 at February 24, 2010 12:52 PM (7BU4a)
He should've gone Waco on their ass.

Posted by: WalrusRex at February 24, 2010 01:01 PM (xxgag)

46
Sullivan is beyond parody at this point.

Posted by: Dang Straights at February 24, 2010 01:01 PM (fx8sm)

47 Thirteen Days made LeMay look like a maniac.

Posted by: WalrusRex at February 24, 2010 12:58 PM (xxgag)

You say that like it's a bad thing?

Posted by: nevergiveup at February 24, 2010 01:01 PM (ekqTc)

48 I'd bet dollars to donuts he just picked up the Lidice reference from another leftwing blogger
I think donuts actually cost more than a dollar so I think we just lost an idiom. By idiom

Posted by: dagny at February 24, 2010 01:01 PM (NjAB3)

49 Is it any wonder that Republicans are considered to be the party that best protects us from enemies?
Right now, soldiers are frustrated with tied hands over not being able to fire on an obvious enemy who just happens to walk out of a building, even if he was the only one in the building,from which there was gunfire. Because, well, nobody actually saw him pull a trigger.

Posted by: Antimatter at February 24, 2010 01:01 PM (gbCNS)

50 P.S. Thirteen Days made LeMay look like a maniac

yeah that will happen in hollywood movies to any historical figure who crossed Kennedy.

Posted by: Ben at February 24, 2010 01:02 PM (wuv1c)

51 Sullivan. Who cares what that Limey fuck farts through his mouth?
Interesting, unlike dickwash Sully.

Posted by: maddogg at February 24, 2010 01:03 PM (OlN4e)

52
Don't forget us either


Posted by: Stalingrad and Carthage at February 24, 2010 12:58 PM (NjAB3)
Hey, there is a reason we had a Pax Romana - and it wasn't because we played grab ass with the neighbors.

Posted by: Cato the Elder at February 24, 2010 01:03 PM (7BU4a)

53 Cato the Elder
Have we thought about salting the poppy fields?

Posted by: dagny at February 24, 2010 01:04 PM (NjAB3)

54 Wasn't the Katyn Forrest Massacre a Soviet act?

Posted by: toby928 at February 24, 2010 01:05 PM (PD1tk)

55 I will give Sullivan credit for his restraint. At least he didn't say this was this era's Holocaust or Holomodor.

Posted by: Ben at February 24, 2010 01:05 PM (wuv1c)

56 P.S. Thirteen Days made LeMay look like a maniac

Some of the worst attempts as Mass accents evah in that flick.

Posted by: loppyd at February 24, 2010 01:05 PM (akk3Z)

57 Oh bloody hell; well how freaking precious; we'd better protect the bugs too --sanctity of all life and all that, since we care about it so damn much.
Hey, could Sullivan and the rest please go on a mission to tell the Taliban, AQ, and the rest to get with the program? Because I don't think they got that memo.

Posted by: unknown jane at February 24, 2010 01:05 PM (5/yRG)

58 The whole "This Era's Hiroshima" thing was started by James Fallows. It's dumb enough on it's face but of course Sully takes it to its most illogical conclusions.

Maybe Andrew "Lidice" Sullivan should consider that in the course of the liberation of Europe, we bombed areas which contained allied civilian populations. Were FDR and Eisenhower war criminals?

This idea that wars can't be conducted unless there are guarantees that only really, really bad people will be hurt is childish. Actually, it's not, it's simply giving support to those who violate the laws of war by hampering those who try to follow them.

Posted by: DrewM. at February 24, 2010 01:05 PM (9B5OK)

59 Wasn't the Katyn Forrest Massacre a Soviet act?
No comrade! It was the NAZI's. We swear

Posted by: Soviet Union at February 24, 2010 01:06 PM (wuv1c)

60 Amusing that the first comment at the link doesn't know that the Democrats have had control of Congress since January 2007.

They walk among us.

Posted by: toby928 at February 24, 2010 01:06 PM (PD1tk)

61 Wow Ace your comin' out swingin'

Posted by: Mjim at February 24, 2010 01:06 PM (V8B//)

62 Wasn't the Katyn Forrest Massacre a Soviet act?
Posted by: toby928 at February 24, 2010 01:05 PM (PD1tk)


Yes, in 2 parts. First the did it , then they had to dig them up and try to explain why if the Nazis did it in the summer why the Officers were all wearing winter clothes?????

Posted by: nevergiveup at February 24, 2010 01:06 PM (ekqTc)

63 But we didn't massacre entire villages.
So it is all theory.

Posted by: Mikey NTH at February 24, 2010 01:07 PM (O9Cc8)

64
War is supposed to be awful, rational people are repelled by the results. Unfortunately neither AQ or the leftist trash like sully are 'rational'.

Posted by: Dang Straights at February 24, 2010 01:07 PM (fx8sm)

65 Wow, during wartime, the President of the USA has the power to ORDER PEOPLE KILLED!

OMFG!

SHOCKING!!

DAMN BUSH-CHENEY!


Posted by: looking closely at February 24, 2010 01:08 PM (6Q9g2)

66 But we didn't massacre entire villages.
So it is all theory.

But don't you see how theory and reality are one in teh same? Here take a hit off this joint and you'll feel me son.

Posted by: Andi Sullivan at February 24, 2010 01:09 PM (wuv1c)

67 WWII would not have been won if current Geneva conventions were in place. Bombing civilian production centers was crucial to crippling German production and war economy. You may argue that bombing civilians is sometimes bad for the effort and have conter productive effects while trying to win "hearts and minds" or whatever the dogma is now, but to say real wars can be won without specifically targeting civilian population is simply untrue.

Posted by: Juicer at February 24, 2010 01:09 PM (XM7GE)

68 I see Cato The Elder got his free internet connection voucher.

Posted by: loppyd at February 24, 2010 01:09 PM (akk3Z)

69 It thats the original I love and must have socialized Obama care Cato the Elder I'm gonna be getting really, really nasty really, really quick.

Posted by: maddogg at February 24, 2010 01:10 PM (OlN4e)

70 @ 19 In the publicity business, they say there's no such thing as bad
publicity.

And it's also a ridiculous trope. Ask O.J. Simpson if all his publicity has been good. Ask Bernie Madoff the same.

Posted by: Vile Roman at February 24, 2010 01:11 PM (iBzKc)

71 It thats the original I love and must have socialized Obama care Cato the Elder I'm gonna be getting really, really nasty really, really quick.

Posted by: maddogg at February 24, 2010 01:10 PM (OlN4e)
If starts making Trig Palin jokes you'll know it's him.

Posted by: loppyd at February 24, 2010 01:11 PM (akk3Z)

72 He was probably looking for the Katyn massacre and came up with this one and figured it was better
Especially since the Katyn massacre was the NKVD (KGB) doing a spot of 'cleansing' the Polish officer 'class'.

Posted by: Sort-of-Mad Max at February 24, 2010 01:11 PM (ERJIu)

73 OT, Obama is on CNBC whining about people calling him a socialist. Funny how my memory gets worse the older I get. I don't remember Bush whining about the vile things he was called during his presidency.

Posted by: robtr at February 24, 2010 01:12 PM (fwSHf)

74 I read Slaughterhouse Five every now and again.

Posted by: sTevo at February 24, 2010 01:12 PM (oR+xN)

75 I think donuts actually cost more than a dollar so I think we just lost an idiom. By idiom
Posted by: dagny

This is good. Obscure as all getout, but good.

Posted by: Blue Hen at February 24, 2010 01:12 PM (R2fpr)

76 I read Slaughterhouse Five every now and again.
the worst part of that book was the fact Vonneget was in teh cellar during the bombing.

Posted by: Andi Sullivan at February 24, 2010 01:12 PM (wuv1c)

77 OT, Obama is on CNBC whining about people calling him a socialist. Funny how my memory gets worse the older I get. I don't remember Bush whining about the vile things he was called during his presidency.
Posted by: robtr at February 24, 2010 01:12 PM (fwSHf)

For the record I never call that commie bastard a socialist

Posted by: nevergiveup at February 24, 2010 01:13 PM (ekqTc)

78 oops sock puppet

Posted by: Ben at February 24, 2010 01:13 PM (wuv1c)

79
63
The whole "This Era's Hiroshima" thing was started by James Fallows.
It's dumb enough on it's face but of course Sully takes it to its most
illogical conclusions.

Maybe Andrew "Lidice" Sullivan should consider that in the course of the liberation of Europe, we bombed areas which contained allied civilian populations. Were FDR and Eisenhower war criminals?

This
idea that wars can't be conducted unless there are guarantees that only
really, really bad people will be hurt is childish. Actually, it's
not, it's simply giving support to those who violate the laws of war by
hampering those who try to follow them.


Posted by: DrewM. at February 24, 2010 01:05 PM (9B5OK)

Eh, getting to bomb France prior to D-Day was just a bonus.

Posted by: XBradTC at February 24, 2010 01:14 PM (cB95w)

80 Really what else do you expect from Chris Matthews favorite conservative?

Posted by: Ben at February 24, 2010 01:14 PM (wuv1c)

81 75
@ 19 In the publicity business, they say there's no such thing as bad
publicity.

And it's also a ridiculous trope. Ask O.J. Simpson if all his publicity has been good. Ask Bernie Madoff the same.


Posted by: Vile Roman at February 24, 2010 01:11 PM (iBzKc)
Or ask Toyota.

Posted by: WalrusRex at February 24, 2010 01:14 PM (xxgag)

82 Sullivan . . . teh stoopid . . . it hurts . . .

We need more LeMay and less Sullivan.

Posted by: tsj017 at February 24, 2010 01:15 PM (4YUWF)

83 Of course we should trust commanders to make these decisions. I wonder what "[exterminated]" replaced, or if the sentence just trailed off ambiguously and that bracketed bit was tacked on.

Posted by: DM! at February 24, 2010 01:15 PM (UiMay)

84 @ 63 This idea that wars can't be conducted unless there are guarantees that
only really, really bad people will be hurt is childish.

Yeah, especially since my plans for the Really Bad People Bomb failed to come to fruition. But you go with what you know.

Posted by: Robert Oppenheimer at February 24, 2010 01:17 PM (iBzKc)

85 Andrew Sullivan: The final solution to the logic question.

Posted by: WalrusRex at February 24, 2010 01:18 PM (xxgag)

86 Andrew Sullivan is This Era's Vidkun Quisling.

Posted by: George Orwell at February 24, 2010 01:19 PM (AZGON)

87 Let the left keep wailing over this non-issue. There's a reason that you never see polling done on this subject: The vast majority of Americans probably could care less about what is done to the terrorists or those who harbor them.

Posted by: Luca Brasi at February 24, 2010 01:20 PM (YmPwQ)

88 Meanwhile the left does nothing about Iran.

New Video leaked out showing Basiji attack on students.

Posted by: Mjim at February 24, 2010 01:20 PM (V8B//)

89 An article of faith among the more strident lefties is that yes, Hiroshima was unnecessary. This is and was more common from the worthless fucks from the 60's.
Go talk to an old, lefty jackass and sooner or later they'll tell you how the nuclear bombs on Japan were the worst event in human history--sure, they'll start out soft and low with something like, "The US is the only nation in history to ever use nuclear weapons on another country." But then they'll skip right past the context to the whole "human suffering and death" of it all. So they can end up on how awful it was.

Learnt all that from an old, dried-up, worthless hag who thought she was a history professor--and I had to take her "Weekly Reader" of a history class.

Posted by: jimmuy at February 24, 2010 01:20 PM (xJzIj)

90 OT, Obama is on CNBC whining about people calling him a socialist....

For the record I never call that commie bastard a socialist

Just don't make fun of his ears. That really makes him long for another Hiroshima.

Posted by: George Orwell at February 24, 2010 01:21 PM (AZGON)

91 More on the Iranian Basiji on Video

Posted by: Mjim at February 24, 2010 01:21 PM (V8B//)

92 Where are all these same tears for Iranian freedom fighters?

Posted by: Mjim at February 24, 2010 01:22 PM (V8B//)

93 55

P.S. Thirteen Days made LeMay look like a maniac



yeah that will happen in hollywood movies to any historical figure who crossed Kennedy.

Posted by: Ben at February 24, 2010 01:02 PM (wuv1c)
Curtis LeMay is one of the most misunderstood figures in American history. He was intensely patriotic, and he was not charismatic- a combination guaranteed to attract the ire of Hollywood. He was, above all else, a problem-solver and he concerned himself more with solving the problems than with how the solutions affected his popularity or reputation.My FIL served in SAC during the late 1940's both before and after LeMay's arrival. He says that the transformation LeMay wrought on that organization was nothing short of amazing- it went from being an "overgrown flying club" to an efficient and ready fighting force in just a few months.And the image of LeMay as some kind of cold-hearted bastard is also a load of crap. His transformation of SAC was built primarily on efforts to improve the morale and safety of his crews.His biggest "faults" were that he loved his country, he did his job, he did it extremely well, and he didn't give a d*mn what anybody though about him personally.

Posted by: Nighthawk at February 24, 2010 01:22 PM (OtQXp)

94 This hypocrisy pisses me off, especially when people are dieing.

Posted by: Mjim at February 24, 2010 01:23 PM (V8B//)

95 loppyd: well, IIRC, LGF Cato was part of the crew over the weekend that claimed Beck resembled Hitler, so it all ties together.
Also, Sully just found grist for another 8000 Palin related posts

Posted by: eddiebear at February 24, 2010 01:24 PM (wnU1W)

96 It thats the original I love and must have socialized Obama care Cato the Elder I'm gonna be getting really, really nasty really, really quick.

Posted by: maddogg at February 24, 2010 01:10 PM (OlN4e)I've been dead for a couple of millenia...what are you going on about?BTW, socialized medicine? Sounds like something those effete Greeks would like.

Posted by: Cato the Elder at February 24, 2010 01:24 PM (7BU4a)

97 Once again, proof that Robot Andrew Sullivan is saner and more rational than real Andrew Sullivan

Posted by: eddiebear at February 24, 2010 01:25 PM (wnU1W)

98 In the publicity business, they say there's no such thing as bad publicity.

This is so true.

Posted by: Tiger Woods at February 24, 2010 01:25 PM (bbn3s)

99 93 Meanwhile the left does nothing about Iran.

These tea baggers in Teheran must learn to obey the laws of the Sacred Islamic Republic. That's democracy, wingers.

At least they aren't Christbags.

Posted by: Typical DUmmy from DU at February 24, 2010 01:26 PM (AZGON)

100 An article of faith among the more strident lefties is that yes, Hiroshima was unnecessary. This is and was more common from the worthless fucks from the 60's.
Not just the more strident lefties. The leaning ones buy this crap too. The Catholic Churchteaches that it was an evil act. I use this as my example for arguing against paying any attention to Church social teachings,. Doctrine yes, social teachings no. It makes the conservative priests (there are some--like Paul Scalia) squirm.
I enjoy asking my 6 year old questions like, "You are fighting a war against really bad guys, to finished the war you have to either attack and tons of your good guys die or drop a big bomb killing the bad guys but some also a bunchof bad guy relatives too. What would you do? " The clarity is refreshing.

Posted by: dagny at February 24, 2010 01:27 PM (NjAB3)

101 Curtis LeMay is one of the most misunderstood figures in American history.
He is one of those guys who is famous for saying something that he never actually said. He never said that we should bomb them (the North Vietnamese) back into the Stone Age.

Posted by: WalrusRex at February 24, 2010 01:28 PM (xxgag)

102 101: there is a particularly vile, sexist, loserish.and nasty piece of s*it over at the Green Gulag (BIRM) who goes by "Cato The Elder".

Posted by: eddiebear at February 24, 2010 01:29 PM (wnU1W)

103 He never said that we should bomb them (the North Vietnamese) back into the Stone Age.
And yet they are back in the stone age except for those pesky missles. Shoulda, coulda, woulda

Posted by: dagny at February 24, 2010 01:30 PM (NjAB3)

104 I've been dead for a couple of millenia...what are you going on about?
BTW, socialized medicine? Sounds like something those effete Greeks would like.
Posted by: Cato the Elder at February 24, 2010 01:24 PM (7BU4a)
You choose an unfortunate handle. Cato the Elder has been used as a nic for years by a notorious cockholster and Obama knob polisher at LGF. Sorry if you are not that son of a rat turd.

Posted by: maddogg at February 24, 2010 01:30 PM (OlN4e)

105 Curtis LeMay is one of the most misunderstood figures in American history.

He is one of those guys who is famous for saying something that he never actually said. He never said that we should bomb them (the North Vietnamese) back into the Stone Age.
Posted by: WalrusRex at February 24, 2010 01:28 PM (xxgag)

But he wishes he had

Posted by: nevergiveup at February 24, 2010 01:30 PM (ekqTc)

106 93 Meanwhile the left does nothing about Iran.

Actually mijm, I'm so behind you on this. What is not only maddening but more than a little frightening is that the left actually enjoys seeing the eggs being broken more than the socialist omelette being cooked. Here's my backing for this argument against the bloodthirsty (i.e., the left):

The Dazzling Abstractions Of Totalitarianism

Posted by: George Orwell at February 24, 2010 01:32 PM (AZGON)

107 Kudos to Ace and 18-1 for their understanding of the perverse incentives created by treating terrorism as a law enforcement matter. The idiots on the left prattle about the Geneva Conventions without understanding that the whole point of the rules is to separate the sheep (lawful combatants/honorable soldiers) from the goats (unlawful combatants/war criminals).

Ace is spot on with regard to Sullivan's ignorance. During WWII, many French, Italian and German towns were virtually flattened because the enemy made them defensive positions. Take Caen, for example. The Geneva Conventions are clear on the responsibility of defenders who use such places, and they are clear that occupation of this sort makes a location a legitimate military target. Of course it would be futile to try to prevent attacking such positions, but the realities of war don't easily enter the fantasy world of lefties.

If Sullivan had any historical knowledge he might have picked Tulle as a better example. In that town the German Das Reich 22nd SS Panzer Division massacred the locals in retribution for actions taken by the Maquis French resistance. But even there the case is different. Yoo is clearly referring to something like Caen, but where the defenders are irregulars.

Every opportunity I get, I ask lefties what they think the Geneva Conventions were actually supposed to achieve, and why. They have no idea.

Posted by: WilliamWallace at February 24, 2010 01:32 PM (9IttK)

108 Good to see Ace is back anddoing what he does best; flaying Andrew Sullivan.
I think it was a line on "Newsradio" that applies to Sullivan; This is what happens when you get all your history from Gore Vidal. He simply has no idea what the fuck he's talking about. He's screeching about a hypothetical carpet bombing of a hypothetical Taliban stronghold. Sweet Wandering Moses, the man's a simp.

Posted by: UGAdawg at February 24, 2010 01:35 PM (thedx)

109 I ask lefties what they think the Geneva Conventions were actually supposed to achieve

To blame BOOOOOOSH!

Posted by: Typical Obama Voter at February 24, 2010 01:35 PM (AZGON)

110 The closest Andi Sullivan has come to confronting a war is fighting crotch rot with a salvo of hydrocortisone cream.

Posted by: George Orwell at February 24, 2010 01:37 PM (AZGON)

111 O/T: I've been noticing that M'chelle should take on SEIU obesity too.

Posted by: dagny at February 24, 2010 01:38 PM (NjAB3)

112 O/T: I've been noticing that M'chelle should take on SEIU obesity too.
Posted by: dagny at February 24, 2010 01:38 PM (NjAB3)

No, the Secret Service would never let her get between a union man and a donut.

Posted by: joncelli at February 24, 2010 01:40 PM (RD7QR)

113 How stupid. Like Yoo or any other lawyer would respond "yeah" and "sure" if he understood the question to be, "Can the President order the massacre of a peaceful, innocent village going about their day to day business for no reason other than blood lust or intimidation."

Is there a full transcript? Because I'm sure Yoo expanded just a bit on the conditions necessary. Or did he for once not assume the interviewer was out to get him?

Posted by: runninrebel at February 24, 2010 01:43 PM (i3PJU)

114 I'm a little pissed that I am being left out of this conversation. Didn't anyone see my work in Europe in the 1940s?

Posted by: Arthur Harris at February 24, 2010 01:44 PM (wuv1c)

115 This is covered by both the Geneva Conventions and the Law of Armed Conflict. Depending on the situation, I don't even think it would have to go up the chain of command to the president. In fact, I could see a situation where an on-scene commander could make that call. In reality though, with the rules of engagement the way they are now, no on-scene commander would make that call. The leftists are playing with words while our soldiers are dealing with the politics of all this.

Posted by: Bill R. at February 24, 2010 01:44 PM (EhlQq)

116 I did not need to read that entry on Lidice. Worse than any nightmare.

Posted by: Michael Rittenhouse at February 24, 2010 01:46 PM (2QFX4)

117 Lol.. well, what I think most of the left fails to realize is thatif you wanted to stick strictly to theGeneva Convention then these terrorists have zero rights, they would technically be considered "spys" at best because they do not have any sort of uniform that discerns them from civilians.
As a result they are entitled to exactly squat from the Geneva convention, even if one stretches the notion that they should be considered for it's protections at all since they don't represent a formal nation but rather a ass-backward collection of religious zealots who want to kill anybody that doesn't agree with them 100%.
And if your looking for a good WWII example, try Dresden. The devestation there was, well, unbelievable. And yet know one suggested at the time that this was some sort of war crime. Simply a fact of war.
War is an ugly business. People who didn't start it and don't really ahve much to do with it get hurt or killed all the time. But you can't fail to defend your nation and your own freedom simply because this can and does occur. It's not pretty, or pleasent, but sadly in the end it is necessary.
We spent a boatload of money making our weapons smart - the smarter the better, specifically so we can avoid collateral damage whenever possible. Our brave men and women in the armed services often go out of their way, even placing themselves at great risk, to protect civillians. And sadly they normally get zero credit for it. Instead they're portrayed as blood thirsty psychotics at best by most of the lame stream media and most any movie coming out of hollywood in the last 20 years.
Just once it would be nice to see a movie where the military guy was a disciplined, reasoned, heroic sort and the villian turned out to be some tree hugging lib. Sorry.. off on a rant here.. lol.

Posted by: Redneck Klingon at February 24, 2010 01:46 PM (e8T35)

118 #113

Good point, and one I usually raise when hyperventilating partisans talk about Presidential overreach.

Instead of telling me about hypothetical situations that you think MIGHT happen, tell me about actual violations that HAVE happened, and then I'll get worked up about this.

For example, when President Clinton bombed the "aspirin factory" in Afghanistan, would THAT be an example of a civilian-directed attack that Sullivan is worried about?

Posted by: looking closely at February 24, 2010 01:47 PM (6Q9g2)

119 For example, when President Clinton bombed the "aspirin factory" in Afghanistan, would THAT be an example of a civilian-directed attack that Sullivan is worried about?

Posted by: looking closely at February 24, 2010 01:47 PM (6Q9g2)

That was just some democratic Urban Renewal

Posted by: nevergiveup at February 24, 2010 01:48 PM (ekqTc)

120 "...tarts up shrill, hyperpartisan nonsense with the thinnest, shallowest veneer..."

Kinda describes many of your own rants, there, chief.

That's the nature of political discourse, today, whatever the party or ideology.

...in many respects, in the zero-sum political games we see throughout history, that's always been the nature of political and social discourse.



Posted by: Warren Bonesteel at February 24, 2010 01:49 PM (oeESr)

121 His biggest "faults" were that he loved his country, he did his job, he did it extremely well, and he didn't give a d*mn what anybody though about him personally.
That's my story too.

Posted by: George W Bush at February 24, 2010 01:50 PM (Zi+FQ)

122 I want to know why Barack Hussein Obastard has chosen to continue the massacre of babies and women in Afghanistan. I'm looking forward to seeing art fags produce images of him with fangs like a vampire, or seeing his head photoshopped on top of Kronos's body in Goya's painting, showing Obastard eating the heads of his children.

Speaking troof to power, baby.

Posted by: What a leftard would say if he had any guts at February 24, 2010 01:50 PM (AZGON)

123 Uh-oh.....Sherman's March is looking like one giant series of "war crimes".....

Like many above, I had thought of Tokyo -- and Cologne, although Dresden seems more popular. Considering the number of times that cities -- which are uniformly civilian locations (see alternatives: "forts", "bases", etc.) are obliterated in wars (or an attempt is made), anyone with ANY freakin' knowledge of history would surely have to know that this sounds completely idiotic.

Posted by: cthulhu at February 24, 2010 01:50 PM (u+gbs)

124 Gee, I wonder how the left's hero Castro would handle this question? or their superhero Mao?

Posted by: dagny at February 24, 2010 01:59 PM (NjAB3)

125 Sherman's March is looking like one giant series of "war crimes".....
Well, since the war was won and it was his own country.......

Posted by: dagny at February 24, 2010 02:00 PM (NjAB3)

126 P.S. Thirteen Days made LeMay look like a maniac.
There's a reason for that. You'll note the Soviets decided not to play chicken over Cuba, knowing that LeMay might enjoy using SAC to send the USSR back to the stone age. He was one tough assed SOB but he built SAC from the ground up and I think it's pretty safe to say, SAC wasn't the same after he passed on. That incident over a nuke being accidentally transported and unaccounted for last year would have caused blood to flow through the ranks under his regime.

Posted by: laddy at February 24, 2010 02:02 PM (emP/p)

127 As usual, Andi and his fellow hysterics hold up an ignorant warping of history and pose it as a sign of their moral superiority. Because the are fucking voluntary and self-made retards.

Once they start shooting at us, they stop being civilians...and can be lawfully blasted off to hell. Period. Have any of these fools ever actually read the Geneva Conventions that they love to bleat about so much?

Posted by: Chainsaw Chimp at February 24, 2010 02:02 PM (j6H6o)

128 Did they even SEE the shark on their way over top?!?

Posted by: rightzilla at February 24, 2010 02:03 PM (rVJH4)

129 How to be an Office of Professional Responsibility Investigator in the non-politicized squeaky-clean Obama administration Department of Justice:
1a. Ask witness a tough question. 1b. Get answer consistent with Geneva Conventions.
2a. Change wording ofquestion very slightly while pretending to seek clarification from witness on original question. 2b. Get same answer.
3a. Tell the media all about it, and feign outrage. 3b. Pretend that you behaved ethically, asyou rely on themasking no tough questions of you.
4. Profit!

Posted by: Charles Gibson at February 24, 2010 02:04 PM (ZrS0c)

130 Typical Sullivan: weeping forthe theoretical dead but can't be bothered to weep for the millions of households thrown into crisis (loss of job, loss of home, divorce, split families) whilethe object of hisfan boy idolation fiddles.These D-Bags are going to have us apologizing for winning WWII before they're done.

Posted by: The Corpseman of Oreon at February 24, 2010 02:04 PM (ocHBO)

131 What a relief it is to learn that the entire doctrine of Mutually-Assured Destruction was going to exempt civilians from that destruction. After all, if there had been any chance it would end up annihilating entire metropolitan areas, wouldn't Andrew Sullivan have warned us and exposed its evil?

/sarc

Posted by: stuiec at February 24, 2010 02:05 PM (GU29T)

132 Mjim @ 93 "Meanwhile the left does nothing about Iran." They can't. Modest oil prices are the only thing keeping the Obama Economy from plunging over the cliff.

Posted by: Jean at February 24, 2010 02:05 PM (/8Gs3)

133 I always see "Hiroshima!!!eleventy!!!111!" or Dresden!!!!!!111 mentioned, but never Hitler's V2 attacks or the fucking wasteland he created out of London. Or fucking Hirohito's atrocities against neighboring peoples and captured soldiers.

Whining about Hiroshima and Dresden REALLY pisses me off.

Posted by: grognard at February 24, 2010 02:06 PM (v0kvW)

134 Did they even SEE the shark on their way over top?!?

Posted by: rightzilla
at February 24, 2010 02:03 PM (rVJH4)
Probably not, but I bet they felt it when it bit their legs off at the knees.

Posted by: stuiec at February 24, 2010 02:07 PM (GU29T)

135 Didn't some smarter guys named Niccolo and somebody from Hippo already hash this out for us?

Posted by: Jean at February 24, 2010 02:08 PM (nQnpz)

136 I'd bet dollars to donuts he just picked up the Lidice reference from another leftwing blogger or in a Google serach.

I'd bet his sock puppets did and he just pressed post.

Posted by: Topsecretk9 at February 24, 2010 02:09 PM (MbyMv)

137 "Sure," said Yoo.
Costello: Who said it?
Abbott: Yoo
Costello: I said it?
Abbott: No, Yoo said it.
Costello: I didn't say it.
Abbott: I know that.
Costello: Then why do you keep saying that I said it?
Abbott: I didn't say that you said it, I said that Yoo said it.

Posted by: TheQuietMan at February 24, 2010 02:12 PM (1Jaio)

138 Just called and wrote my senators. Those lib chick staffers are so f-ing smug. I'd like to reach through the phone and yank their hair out.

Posted by: dagny at February 24, 2010 02:14 PM (NjAB3)

139 Posted by: Redneck Klingon at February 24, 2010 01:46 PM (e8T35)
RK has it exactly right. I would go one further. Regardless of the letter, the spirit of the Geneva Conventions was to provide a mutually agreeable set of rules for self-restraint among civilized nations fighting an organized conflict. They can not be rightly applied to the war against the muslims. The muslims fight in a cowardly and immoral fashion. Further, their cultural rot is so deep that there is no such thing as a true civilian. Every one of them must be regarded as a potential combatant.
Frankly, we go way too far to protect so-called civilians in the muslim world. They do not understand mercy in the same way we do - they see it only as a weakness to be exploited. Had we fought them in terms they could understand - with merciless brutal force and a total absence of mercy - our conflict in the east would have been successfully concluded much sooner and with less loss of American life.Preferably with a massive, population depleting war of annihilation. We paid too much of our own treasure to protect ungrateful savages from a fate they deserved. How many smart munitions were wasted to protect civilians, when a carpet bombing raid with cheap, unguided gravity bombs may have sufficed?

Posted by: Reactionary at February 24, 2010 02:16 PM (xUM1Q)

140 Osama bin Laden is a civilian. Brain-dead lefties.

Posted by: arhooley at February 24, 2010 02:17 PM (PJPTe)

141 "It's also that he's ignorant."

Nothing's changed there.

Posted by: GarandFan at February 24, 2010 02:23 PM (6mwMs)

142 BTW, we (the US) did not destroy Dresden. The Brits did, all by themselves. Oh, the 8th Air Force came around the next day, but all they did was stir the rubble. This according to Freeman Dyson, who was in Bomber Command at the time. And to be sure, I'll take Dyson's word over Kurt Vonnegut's any day.

Posted by: Cave Bear at February 24, 2010 02:24 PM (WmZrs)

143 Sadly the terrorists have figured out that while we might have the military might and technology necessary to win any armed conflict what we lack is the political will.
These are people who are still holding a grudge against the Jews for events that happened over 2000 years ago. Were a people who can't keep focused on ignoble and cowardly attack on our own soil against our own civilians9 short years ago.
As long as the terrorist have their greatest ally, CNN, MSNBC, and their ilk who will decry any effort we make to defend ourselves, they'll have the upper hand.
Sad but true.

Posted by: Redneck Klingon at February 24, 2010 02:30 PM (e8T35)

144 When will someone kick this AIDS-infected pothead piece of shit out of my country? He needs to be dropped off in Merry Olde England ASAP.
And the "smart bomb" was not a humanitarian invention. My great-uncle was a B-17 pilot in the Eighth Air Force, 1944 (365th BS, 305th BG). Died on the job. A lot of bomber crews died on the job. Remember the thousand-plane raids? You took a thousand four-engine aircraft, crewed them, fuelled them, loaded them with ordnance, and pointed them at a city to make the targets in that city go away. But between air defenses, navigational error in the pre-GPS age, and unguided munitions, a lot of times the bombs would miss, meaning you lost a couple thousand guys and a couple hundred aircraft for nothing. The ability to make one bomb do the work of thousands led to both nuclear weapons and guided weapons. Like any other missed shot, a piece of ordnance that fails in its mission is wasted effort.
The Germans did some of the initial design work, we did some as well, and over time you got to the point on27 April 1972 where F-4 Phantoms of Colonel Robin Olds' 8th Fighter Wing flew in from Thailand and knocked out the Thanh Hoa ("Dragon's Jaw") Bridge with laser guided bombs after 873 sorties against it had failed. Desert Storm and OEF/OIF have just refined the dream of unlimited and efficient airpower.

Posted by: SGT Dan at February 24, 2010 02:31 PM (GgXZc)

145 Weren't those four airplanes hijacked by civilians back in '01?

Posted by: FireHorse at February 24, 2010 02:40 PM (cQyWA)

146 For you history nuts out there, Katyn was not a Nazi slaughter. This mass execution of over 10k Poles, mostly officers, was ordered by Stalin, and finalized by the OGPU, precursor of the NKVD. Guderian's Panzerarmee found this execution site when they encircled Smolensk and captured it. Of course the Nazis called in the Red Cross from Switzerland and had this atrocity spread worldwide. There's nothing like playing huge board games to learn history. Here's a Question- Who was Von Richenau?

Posted by: chicocano at February 24, 2010 02:46 PM (6p3E9)

147 Obama has been the one killing civilians lately in an illegal unjust war.

Posted by: jjjjjj at February 24, 2010 02:50 PM (0MzSU)

148 Posted by: SGT Dan at February 24, 2010 02:31 PM (GgXZc)
My grandad was in the 90th bomb group in the Pacific - bombardier -also in a B-17. No picnic, but a lot less dangerous than the European theaterof course. His greatest dissatisfaction with our most recent conflicts was the lack of saturation bombing.
Where theuse ofsmart munitionsis whatit takes to keep our guys alive, I'm all for it. But as you mention, we now have GPSand we typically wipe out air defense in the first phase of a conflict, thus greatly reducing the risk to our men and machines. We also have had time to develop better sighting mechanisms. I'm not saying we should do away with smart bombs and cruise missles and such. What I'm saying is that we should not spend a dime to make sure we miss the hospital and schoolwhile blowing up a poison gas factory or smearing a few residential blocks full of enemies. Sometimes collateral damage is a good thing. There are no great cathedrals or other worthwhile Euopean cultural treasures to worry about in the east. Just slums crawling with enemies.

Posted by: Reactionary at February 24, 2010 02:54 PM (xUM1Q)

149 Nice to see a post from Bomber Harris at 119!

Posted by: WilliamWallace at February 24, 2010 03:00 PM (9IttK)

150 This is obvously all BOOOOOSH's Fault!

Posted by: Jimi at February 24, 2010 03:51 PM (fqxV7)

151 >You'll be happy to know that Andrew Sullivan calls this This Era's Hiroshima.

So, what would Andrew Sullivan tag the Clinton Admin's laziness and blatant disregard and inaction for the slaughter of 100s of thousands (some estimate close to a million) Rwandans under his watch in the 1990s?

See, Andy, THAT really did happen. THOSE people really are dead. I know it happened. I saw raw footage of the bodies, many floating in the rivers.

Posted by: Drillanwr at February 24, 2010 04:42 PM (GkYyh)

152 Well, here's one conservative who insists the President be restricted by the Bill of Rights. Those "unitary Executive" powers claimed by Bush to deny habeas and declare ANYONE to be an enemy combatant now rest in the hands of a committed socialist.

And let's not forget the DHS report on the "domestic terror threat" posed by gun-owning, home-schooling Christians opposed to amnesty for illegal aliens.

Posted by: Old Rebel at February 24, 2010 04:47 PM (eTIZJ)

153 Cheap parlor trick by Newsweek. Unbecoming for a supposed "news" organization.

Posted by: Purple Avenger at February 24, 2010 06:59 PM (EMC38)

154 I wonder if Sullivan knows that the Lidice massacre was ordered in retaliation for the assassination of Reinhard Heydrich by a couple of Czechs trained by the British SOE. I hope he doesn't find out they were probably using stolen German passports...

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