1 Watching a man's decent into madness can be both entertaining and infuriating.

2 Andy sees all things as through a crotch, darkly...

3

TNR exhibits the schizophrenia of sadly too many American Jews. They understand the reality of a agressive defensive and an agressive defense posture (at least where Israel is concerned), but otherwise they are mindlessly leftist.

Oh BTW, am I first?

4 The more I read of him, the more I'm convinced he's going to pull a David Carradine in the near future. 

5 Nope, and typos too. Lesson: don't try to be first.

6 I'm my own grandpa.

7 OH SNAP NO HE DI-INT

8
Decent/descent, desert/dessert, it's all loose/lose on AoSHQ.

9 Unlike Sullivan, (Teh Hammer) does not present feelings as ideas.

Game over

10 I was gonna ask if the 'Trig's Dad' bit was just AOSHQ snark, but, sure as shit, it's there in the original.

Sully's become unsatirizable.

11 Lately he's been foaming at the mouth (oops, sorry for that image...) about Palin, blogging several times a day, "Know Fear," which I guess has replaced "Levi, you muscled stud, write that book..."

Yeesh. And yet... months and months ago, Andi promised to give us the real deal behind his marijuana arrest in Massachusetts, which was broomed so neatly by the U.S. Dept. of Justice so his immigration status wouldn't be threatened.... now there's a tale worth telling... but has remained oh so silent.

12 Thanks for the citaiton spelling cop.

13 It's too bad Sullivan doesn't allow comments.  It would show us just exactly who travels in his pack.

14 nontroversy

slurp slurp

15

It's too bad Sullivan doesn't allow comments.  It would show us just exactly who travels in his pack.

He channels me....

16

12. Thanks for the citaiton spelling cop.

A comma is needed after "citaiton" (citation?).

17 Wait. So the guy that claimed Zionism contributes to "continual wars" might have some anti-Semitic tendencies? Who woulda thunk it? Man they're sharp over at the TNR.

18 1 Watching a man's decent into madness can be both entertaining and infuriating.
Posted by: taylork at February 09, 2010 11:15 AM (4jZ56)

Well mostly it's kinda sad except that Andrew can still do a lot of damage as he spirals down. Given the speed of his recent decline I fully expect to find him ranting about the jews on shortwave radio in 15 to 20 years. That's if he's still alive.

19

Hey, remember when Egypt and Jordan set up a Palestinian state in the West Bank and Gaza sometime between 1948 and 1967?

Or when Arafat signed that deal for a Palestinian state at Wye River?

Or when Hamas declared a Palestinian state last week?

At this point I would consider even the possibility that Sullivan had actually read some history as refreshing.  Maybe one of his stooge underbloggers could undertake that duty.

20 You are on thin ice, sport.

21 I remember reading TNR in college (circa 1982) and thinking it was the greatest thing ever.  I know I've moved to the right since then, but to what extent has TNR moved to the left?  Didn't Charles Kraut.... used to write for TNR?  I know Kondrake did, and Barnes did, n'est pas?

Why is this important?  Because I want tallking points when the good but stupid people I know and run into accuse me of having become "so conservative."

22 I get a still hungover from Sunday exemption.

23 At least TNR had the sense to squeeze dear Andrew out, unlike The Atlantic, which, the last I heard, still tolerates his ravings.

24 Who the fuck reads the atlantic annways/>

25

Well mostly it's kinda sad except that Andrew can still do a lot of damage as he spirals down. Given the speed of his recent decline I fully expect to find him ranting about the jews on shortwave radio in 15 to 20 years. That's if he's still alive.

Perhaps it is ghoulish, but perhaps we should have an "AIDS Dementia Death Pool" for Andrew Sullivan here on AOSHQ.

I give Andy three years.

26 I get a still hungover from Sunday exemption.

Freeze! Drop the keyboard and put your hands on the hood of the car. Now!

27 He has a preference for the uncircumcized.   

28 At least TNR had the sense to squeeze dear Andrew out, unlike The Atlantic, which, the last I heard, still tolerates his ravings.

Tolerate? They publish that crap. They pay for a staff to help Sullivan crank out that crap.

The Atlantic supports that crap, and must be assumed to agree with it.

29

Perhaps it is ghoulish, but perhaps we should have an "AIDS Dementia Death Pool" for Andrew Sullivan here on AOSHQ.

I give Andy three years.

Naw. I predict he'll set fire to himself as a protest against the horrificness of Americans after The Won is turned out of office in 2012.

30 Oh and ace left off Weisthalter's coup de grace:

_{About the Jews, is Sullivan a bigot, or is he just moronically insensitive? To me, he looks increasingly like the Buchanan of the left.}

31

Who was it who described TNR as a pro-Israel version of The Nation?

I mean, their stance on Israel is the only thing there that isn't hard left, these days.

32 The Atlantic supports that crap, and must be assumed to agree with it.

I wouldn't go that far. The Boston Globe publishes Jeff Jacoby at least once a week.

33

The difference betwen Sylvia Plath and Andy Sullivan?

..the former never trolled the intertubes looking for groups of fat, hairy men with diseased cocks to gang-rape him in the ass.

...oh...and she never got busted for drugs and used her contacts in the gay, fat, hairy men with diseased cocks on the law enforcement community to cover it up for her

.

34 Sullivan's decent into madness stems from his self-induced isolationism. The fact that his web page doesn't allow comments is telling - he only reads what he writes and therefore he believes he's "mainstream."

If he allowed comments then many of our helpful resident therapist here at AoSHQ could offer him the care and guidance he so desperately needs.

Desperate for attention and affirmation, Andi screams invective like a spoiled three-year-old. Krauthammer is a particular sore spot because he's earned our respect the old fashioned way - unlike Andi who's simply earned our scorn.

35

Any article like this in a public venue gives The Atlantic the cover to boot Sullivan out the door. Coming from The New Republic, the magazine which Sullivan edited, The Atlantic can't ignore this. I just wish TNR had printed it last year.

36 all yers spelling and gammer errers belongs to me now.

37 Circumcised cocks are icky.

38
I wouldn't go that far. The Boston Globe publishes Jeff Jacoby at least once a week.

They don't provide him with a staff. They don't give him carte blanche to write whatever lunacy he wants. When they thought he had plagiarized, they put him on a four month suspension, not a weekend "time out".

The Atlantic continues to not only publish Sullivan, but to let him cut loose with lunacy incomparable in any mainstream publication.

39 pass the popcorn

40

36.  all yers spelling and grammer errers belongs to me now.

Well, if you insist. 

41 I know I've moved to the right since then, but to what extent has TNR moved to the left?

Well considering it was started by that commie fuck Henry Wallace, it's been all over the place.  Marty Peretz, who I keep saying is a smart guy even as he infuriates me continually by making dumbfuck statements, endured kind of a "Lord of the Flies" type revolt as the idiot catamites took control.  They've had some very good writers in the past.  Leon is pretty smart although he can come up with some daft shit too.

42

To me, he looks increasingly like the Buchanan of the left.

That is an apt analogy. I used to really appreciate what Buchanan had to say about immigration madness (I am not a romantic fool or a greedhead) and about trade policy (I am not a goo goo globalist, indeed to me that is the Multiculturalism Of The Right).

But I can no longer respect anyone so willfully obtuse about Israel and its bloodthirsty savage enemies. Seig Heil, Pat.

43 to what extent has TNR moved to the left?

You're not mad at me, are you?

44 They understand the reality of a agressive defensive and an agressive defense posture (at least where Israel is concerned)

Some won't even go that far, allowing their liberalism to override their being Jewish.  Invariably, these are part of the reformed crowd and not orthodox

45 On the other hand, there is no suggestion that Netanyahu is Trig’s dad.

That's gonna leave a mark. 

46 which are the ones with the bigger noses?

47

Ehem, to the poster some comments above:

that's "Shrunk & White", not "Strunk & White"  -- since editorial, grammatical, punctuational, rhetorical, and syntaxial is at a high premium here.

48 TNR's best years were in the early 1990s under Kinsley. Sullivan left behind a time-bomb named "Stephen Glass". A judge of character Sullivan is not. (I admit his successor Kelly deserves a share of blame for ignoring the problem.)

49
That's a shame, The Atlantic used to be a pretty descent mag to read at the doctors' office.

50

Some won't even go that far, allowing their liberalism to override their being Jewish.  Invariably, these are part of the reformed crowd and not orthodox

Indeed, I know so many of these people, who I otherwise respect and call good friends, act so utterly mindlessly leftist. It is to me the Greatest Enigma of American Politics, given how the Left has adopted the fashionable anti-Semitism of "multiculturalism" and "Black Power" ever since the late 1960's.

51 47 "syntaxial <correctness>" lol

52 Part I's pretty good, Ace. LW treats Christian apologetics responsibly, and thereby condemns Sullivan's smug amatuerishness.  Like a lot of charlatans, Sullivan falls back on religion- in his case a wildly, laughably idiosyncratic Catholicism- when all else fails. The worst sentence in the piece (which should be titled "The Pulverization Of Sullivan") is "(t)he respect one must have for believers one need not have for beliefs." Much better, I think, to turn that around. Respect beliefs for the power they have over weak minds, give no ground to weak-minded believers.

53

The Atlantic continues to not only publish Sullivan, but to let him cut loose with lunacy incomparable in any mainstream publication.

Good thing no one high up in government reads him, huh?

Wait--WHAT??!!

54

Insofar as there is an intellect behind modern antiSemitism, it's Kevin MacDonald. Buchanan, Walt, and nowadays Sullivan are there to package it up for rural white conservatives, people concerned about national-security, and liberal yuppies respectively.

55 unknown jane at February 09, 2010 11:52 AM

Nice use of parallelism, poster. Too bad you had to break rules to make it line up.

You want to go for a ride in the back of the Warriner's Wagon?

56

American Jewry has “wings.”

That was even more fun than the Trig's dad part.

57 50  My take on it?  The Jewish version of WASP guilt; the Jews do an even better job of it though. 

58

Well mostly it's kinda sad except that Andrew can still do a lot of damage as he spirals down. Given the speed of his recent decline I fully expect to find him ranting about the jews on shortwave radio in 15 to 20 years. That's if he's still alive.

No, he will be a once every 3 week guest on Bill Mahr's nearly unwatchable HBO show where, right on cue, they will rant about 1) why Bush sucked 2) why Palin sucks 3) why religion is a bunch of crap and 4) why pot should be legal. Did I miss anything else Bill Mahr talks about?

59

Jewry doesn't have wings, Andrew; it has tentacles.

60 55 Only if I get to be wonderfully naughty and break any rule I desire to.

61 @Curmudgeon and Purple Avenger,

I think you are being overly generous. Most secular Jews are so reflexively liberal that when they hear clear, unequivocal evidence of anti-Semitism from their leftist brethren, they pretend to hear nuance and subtlety that simply does not exist. And don't get me started on their hatred of the religious right! You know, those Americans who are Israel's best friends.

62 -- so as to assuage my puritanical fervor for the utmost decadence.

63 Jews? Never heard of them.

64 Like a lot of charlatans, Sullivan falls back on religion- in his case a wildly, laughably idiosyncratic Catholicism- when all else fails.

Sully makes the Jesuits appear lucid and almost sober by comparison.

65 54

Not to mention the Nation of Islam and Rev.Wright-types who handle the inner cities.
Odd how anti-semitism.is the one thing that everyone gets access to enough of.

66 Before you all continue to point out the stupidity and insanity that is Andy Sullivan, could we have a moment of silence for the beagle. I understand his pain perhaphs greater than any of you here.

67 De-cloakingsockpuppeting

68

Not to mention the Nation of Islam and Rev.Wright-types who handle the inner cities.
Odd how anti-semitism.is the one thing that everyone gets access to enough of.

Don't like our attitude about Jews....maybe you should move to Hymietown, o.k.

69 You're all on thin ice.  Using a computer isn't green.

70 Who wants to bet Sully has Stormfront rss feed on his desktop?

Fantasies about stern skinheads in leather clothing alone must drive him to extasy.

71

 And I don't think Norah O'Donnell managed to become a fixture on MSNBC purely on the strength of her reportage.

Nope. It was her strength in fighting back the gag reflext that got her where she is today....IYKWIMAYPD.

72 The sad thing is that his animus towards Jews is based on their practice of circumcisizing their boys, or what Andrew refers to as "genital mutilation."

73 Palin has the boobiez?

74

Sullivan referring to anyone as "sub-rational"?

Is he the only gay dude on the planet who doesn't own a mirror?

75

And Andy says, "She is Coughlin with boobs – except with a foreign policy agenda to expand Israel and unite with it in a war against Islam." 

The AIDS dementia has affected the man's sense of history.

76 OT: #69, originally, the ad had people being arrested for breathing and drinking seltzer...

77 When can we eliminate large-breasted women from public life?

Anybody up for bareback sex?

78 Yeah, this fascination with lady bits is bizarre. 

Is there a gay equivalent to a man card that he can have revoked?

79

@64..."sober Jesuit" is, in my experience, an oxymoron. Good point though. In another time and place Sullivan would have been a Jesuit: a soldier for Christ condescending to the rest of humanity. That he's not a Jesuit in this time and place is simply more evidence of what the world already knows about him: he's a moral coward. 

Also, I quoted LW's worst sentence above. To be fair, here'shis best: "Sullivan writes about the “middle” and the “core” in the Muslim world as if they were the independents and the base in Massachusetts."

80 First, a uterus.  Then breasts.

Andi's late to the circle-jerker's hand-blogging.

81 Sullivan's batshit crazy. Coughlin was pissed at Roosevelt for not being socialist enough.

82

What cracks me up is that one of the reasons she didn't look very pregnant is because her belly stuck out less than her chest.

He just...how can he...ah, forget it.

83 Did the right freak out like this over the fact that Barack Obama is a good-looking guy?

I wouldn't call that a "fact." 

84 The fact that people think that either Sullie or CJ are worth noticing, let alone fisking, says something about political and social discourse in America that really bothers me.

We've got more to deal with than worrying about who thinks he's the coolest kid in school.

85

Speaking of breasts, here is the new 2010 SI Swimsuit Edition Cover:

http://tinypic.com/r/2u436u8/6

Bless you Sports Illustrated.

86 Have to second HeatherRadish.  Sorry, but those ears are a dealbreaker for me. 

He's ok, but definitely no Denzel or Billy Dee Williams.

87 He's angry at Sarah Palin's tits because he thinks those tits have been pressed into service.

Sarah Palin's tits...pressed into service!

Bunk!

88

Jaysus, what's his beef?

Is he pissed that her tits are real and he could only achieve moobs via 'roid juice?

89 Great addition to the original post, Ace.  btw the correct spelling is Wieseltier

90 @41 as the idiot catamites took control

First, kudos for using this word.  Second, I am disturbed that you know it.  Third, there is a problem in your usage.  The catamite is usually the recipient,  the catcher to the pitcher, if you will.  This is not usually the case with those who take control, or so I assume. 

91 Can we now officially have "boobers" and "boobgate" ?

92

"...no matter how much he squat-thrusts."

Killer!

93 I'm always amazed at the number of hits my blog gets from searches like "republican lizard brain" or "conservative lizard brain." What are these people looking for? Affirmation of their prejudice that only liberals have higher functioning parts to their brains?

The stupid on the left knows no bounds.

94 If Andy had bigger tits I'd support gay marriage, an ineffectual security policy and free butt plugs for the masses.

95

Ditto to Heather, he's never been particularly attractive in my opinion -- not ugly, but not notably attractive.  Definitely not Denzel-esque by any means.

96 You are on thin ice, sport.

Who is?

97 there is a problem in your usage.  The catamite is usually the recipient,  the catcher to the pitcher, if you will.  This is not usually the case with those who take control, or so I assume. 

Posted by: anal vocabulist at February 09, 2010 12:35 PM (0K3p3)

Yes but they were acting en masse against one pitcher, hence the earlier Lord of the Flies reference where one of those feral kids would've been smacked down by an adult not named Sully.  I appreciate your concern and diligence though.

98 And sometimes easily led just by a really kickin' rack.

Yeah but only sometimes.

Other times it's the legs.

99 The guy seriously should go ahead and get the sex change. Once he has his own vajay jay and hooters he can stop obsessing about Palin's, and possibly spend more time locked in his room and less time blogging stupid crap.

100

... they are more superficial than most people, so they have a strong natural inclination to support whoever seems best-looking and coolest...

I'm sure they are taken in by bright shiny baubles, as many of us are. What I think they find frightening about pretty people is that the rubes might buy what the pretty people are selling. Like we are all too dim to look beyond the boobies and see the evil within. They, of course, are not burdened with this gullibility. Unless of course the bauble is a tawny brown and curls ten reps at 70 lbs..

I, for one, always saw right through Alexis Carrington and reject their baseless fear-mongering.

101 Old Onion about a homophobe who's tired of being hit on by gays. So he keeps saying things like, "maybe they'll shut up if I stuff my cock in their mouths."

This is the inverse of that. Sullivan hates Palin because he feels guilty about the hetero- impulses she brings out in him.

102 Sullivan really, really hates women, and really, really resents their power and really, really resents that they might possess a degree of sexual attractiveness for the majority of the male population that he can't compete with, no matter how much he squat-thrusts.

Apt words, golden apples on silver settings, etc.  Funny, funny stuff, Ace.

103 I had to google Mimbo.

FML.

104 The catamite is usually the recipient,  the catcher to the pitcher

What's the word for the pitcher?

105

104 What's the word for the pitcher?

"Dick Cheney"

106 Wow Ace.  Awesome post.  You should write a book.  Your writing style is superb.  I often find myself chuckling at every paragraph, and sometimes sentence.  You have a command of the English language I could only hope of achieving.

Ok I'll stop being gay now.

107 I, for one, always saw right through Alexis Carrington

Nice.  Back then, I would have hit Joan Collins like the Rangers hitting Point du Hoc.  

108 "Sullivan writes about the “middle” and the “core” in the Muslim world as if they were the independents and the base in Massachusetts."

Posted by: seamus at February 09, 2010 12:17 PM (5HhWZ)

LOL.  Leon's a very gifted writer but his politics are all over the damn place.  I'd certainly rather have him on my side than against me...

109

What's the word for the pitcher?

Catamites are boys so that would be a Pederast

110 @97....Lord of the Flies

Ah, I see it now.  Thanks for clarifying it.  Nice reference.

111 Jeebus. I guess Palin's so hot she makes a gay dude have the hots for her. Indeed this women IS powerful.

112 Sullivan wants to be Palin. 

113 @ 81 Coughlin was pissed at Roosevelt for not being socialist enough.
  Exactly. Coughlin was no Righty (contrary to the assertions of the uninformed) -- he was a demented Lefty who pushed for Socialism.

114

Sarah never dresses in a way that shows off her boobs.  Those legs, however.  With the boots and the walking and the ....  sorry, didn't make it to the bunk.

 

Cleanup on aisle 5!!!

115

He's angry at Sarah Palin's tits because he thinks those tits have been pressed into service for Pure Evil. 

I think the one that looms large in his mind is the one that shall remain nameless, Todd. Todd is privy to, and prefers the breasts, and all he gets is pretty boy catchers from P town.

 

116

Do not under-estimate the appeal of a beautiful, big breasted, divinely chosen warrior-mother as a military leader in a global religious war.

Now that's what I'm talking about!  Needed Wanted Lusted-after: Slu-shop of Palin as a Warrior-Goddess with curvacious breastplate (including convex nipple reliefs of course), Statue of Liberty crown, 30.06 in one hand, and the other arm drawn back... hurling a Predator like a fucking model airplane!

This must be done.

117 ... they are more superficial than most people, so they have a strong natural inclination to support whoever seems best-looking and coolest...

Spot on.

I can't count the number of young women I saw swoon over Bill Clinton and Al Gore. One (historically ignorant) chick even said to me, "Al Gore is our first hunk presidential candidate. God, I fucking love it. Look at him! He looks like a super hero!"

I also remember how the media used to heap praise upon Clinton for his "coolness." Those idiots went freaking bananas every time the guy busted out that stupid saxophone and sunglasses.

So young! So hip! So cool!

Today, they've decided that attractive candidates are shallow. Go figure.

118 Jeebus. I guess Palin's so hot she makes a gay dude have the hots for her. Indeed this women IS powerful.

Posted by: TexMex at February 09, 2010 01:11 PM (HPPyU)

George Costanza Sullivan:  It moved.

119 Sarah Palin's Tits.....Sarah Palin's Tits......Sarah Palin's Tits

120

And finally -- this applies not to the whole left, but to a bizarre, twisted homosexual like Sullivan -- Sullivan really, really hates women, and really, really resents their power and really, really resents that they might possess a degree of sexual attractiveness for the majority of the male population that he can't compete with, no matter how much he squat-thrusts.

You could have dispensed with the rest of this post and just run this paragraph.  It's all you need to know about Andi. 

121 Why do liberals and teh gheys (but I repeat myself) hate good looking powerful women?

Is it just vaginaphobia?

122 I have never liked Sully. Ever. He is your atypical hatemongering leftist. Now...I see him as a new version of Norman Bates. It is apparent he has a serious "mother" complex. Am I wrong?

123

Even gay men are still men, and men rule the world.  They don't like women who want to rule AND STILL BE WOMEN.  If you put on a pantsuit and cut your hair and generally act like a man, that's OK, it doesn't threaten their masculinity. 

Liberals have bought into the feminist trap that women are liberated from male oppression when we act like men.  We are supposed to deny our womanliness in order to achieve equality with men.  We are supposed to not have babies, not wear our hair long and pretty, not wear skirts and show off our nice legs,  not wear makeup.  Then the men will be nice to us and let us be equal.

Sarah Palin just blows the hell out of this worldview.  Which is why I love her, even if I don't think she should be President.

124 Andi's a loon.

Big tits:  BAD.  Power glutes:  GOOD.

I think Sullivan has the hots for Palin, and the dichotomy is driving him (more) insane.

Sex with her would probably turn him straight.

And even though Weiseltier's on our side here, he really needs to learn how to get to the point.  And I'm aware that such blathering on IS the point (look at how super-duper smart I am!).

TNR--the almost-sane face of crazy left-wing progressivism.

Also:  Leon, next time you're wrestling with Profound Theological Questions, try this:  You can't understand God, because He's God and we're not.  You really aren't going to solve that puzzle.  No one has.  No one will.  Stop applying reason to faith.

And he even got a Niebuhr reference in!  David Brooks approves.

Here endeth the rant.

125

126 Please ignore blank post above . . . I'm a bitter clinger, y'know.

117--I never understood the idea that Bill Clinton was some kind of hot sex god.  Yes, power and all that, but for God's sake, the man looks like W.C. Fields.

127 What is he talking about? Her boobs aren't even that big. I'd say Palin is one cup size down from Winona Ryder. Not very big at all.

128 Andy is going to go off the deep-end sooner or later. My bet, he tries to go straight.

129 Ace,
  You are so high and mighty, sitting in your little tub of pudding.
If it isn't all about Sarah Palin's breasts then why was she wearing a pearl necklace when I met her?

130

Sarah Palin just blows the hell out of this worldview.  Which is why I love her, even if I don't think she should be President.

Posted by: rockmom at February 09, 2010 01:40 PM (w/gVZ)

As somebody who respects your point of view:  Why not?  I view her as somebody, like Reagan, who instinctively knows the correct path for the country and is able to appoint the right people to get it done.  I think she has the indefinable X factor that good leaders possess.  I might be wrong but I'm almost positive that I'm not nearly as wrong as the 52%.

131  What is he talking about? Her boobs aren't even that big. I'd say Palin is one cup size down from Winona Ryder. Not very big at all.

Posted by: Jaxxy at February 09, 2010 01:47 PM (M8UmI)

Palin is a petite woman. I'd put her at 5'3" may be 5'5" when she busts out the heels. Probably a size 4. She freakin' tiny. She just looks larger than life because she's got balls of steel.

Besides, Palin never wears low cut anything. She, at best, flaunts the gams, and if I had those gams, I'd be flaunting them too.

Andie just doesn't know shit about girl parts.  

132 I think we should definitely start thinking about the possibility of neurosyphilis. Poor Andy . . . go bareback riding often enough, and you're going to wind up with all kinds of saddlesores, IYKWIMAITYD.

This bizarre obsession with Sarah Palin--I don't think it's a sexuality thing. What I do think is that it's blind fury over the fact that the Right has an intelligent, articulate, beautiful politician like Palin, something Sullivan can't stand to see. He seems to think that if he rages enough, we'll all repudiate her more quickly than a twelfth-century count dumping his sixth wife, and the Left can carry on pretending that it has a monopoly on sexiness.

And for the record? Al Gore = yeuurgh. He was trying to be a he-man during the 2000 campaign, and oh boy, did it not work. And Obama's too limp and ineffectual to be attractive. Bill Clinton . . . not even going there. *shudder*

133 It was a mistake to use the phrase "tits have been pressed"; that cased my lizard brain to take over ... and I skipped the rest of the article.  Dang.

134

@124

Seems to me Leon was saying that the idea of one, unified, indivisible God is not as difficult a leap of faith as the Christian idea of three-gods-in-one. It's the old Jewish  v Christian argument. It's Believer vs Believer, mine's better than yours, etc. Christians have the better of the argument, it seems to me. Once it is agreed that reason is discounted as insufficient to know and/or appreciate God, it's slightly ridiculous to argue that a unitary, indivisible God doesn't strain reason quite as much as a trinitarian God. If reason cannot guide, why bother with it at all? Fly the freak flag high as it'll go. Which brings us to Islam, of course. Islam, as the youngest of the three middle eastern monotheisms, took the best of its predecessors- Judiasm's fierce unitary and indivisble God,  Christianity's complete contempt and abandonment of humanity's critical faculties- and came up w/ Allah. 

135

As somebody who respects your point of view:  Why not?  I view her as somebody, like Reagan, who instinctively knows the correct path for the country and is able to appoint the right people to get it done.  I think she has the indefinable X factor that good leaders possess.  I might be wrong but I'm almost positive that I'm not nearly as wrong as the 52%.

Posted by: Captain Hate at February 09, 2010 01:52 PM (Sghlv)

She could be. But she has major hurdles to overcome. The brutalization at the hands of the radical left, right-wing traitors who violated the 11th Commandment and McCain's campaign staff who ripped her incognito.

The radical left is infuriated that there is a strong, attractive woman who connects to so many people and is Conservative to the core. That hate will fuel them to smear, slander and spit everywhere and the Left is great at Alinsky, they have been doing it for decades, we just started.

She quit. I agree 100 percent with her decision, it was good for Alaska, it was good for her Family. It was like Nixon's Last Press Conference.  But she quit a position that Alaskans entrusted her with. That will hurt any candidate and it is great ammo.

All the talking heads will be against her. She will be swimming against a flood of vitriol, piss and fecal matter the Left will send her way. Every fake intellectual on TV will down talk her and will rush to Obama just to spit on Sarah. Their hate for her is murderous hatred. They hung her in effing effigy.

She can still be President but she has an insane amount of studying, talking, interviewing and ass kicking to do to get there.

136

I'm pretty sure you don't have to be an Ivy league grad to know right from wrong and that you can't spend more than you take in.  Now it takes a little more than that to be a great president, but if you know those two things and apply yourself, you can be a pretty good President. And a pretty good President is a damn sight better than what we have now. Hell, the rest of it you can write down on the palm of your hand.

Its the right thing to do, and a tasty way to do it. Vote Palin 2012.

 

137 You gotta feel bad for Sullivan's boyfriend. I mean, all this talk about breasts and vaginas has got to be making him insecure.

138

Rockmom 123 Liberals have bought into the feminist trap that women are liberated from male oppression when we act like men.  We are supposed to deny our womanliness in order to achieve equality with men.  We are supposed to not have babies, not wear our hair long and pretty, not wear skirts and show off our nice legs,  not wear makeup.  Then the men will be nice to us and let us be equal.

You've explained Left misogyny very well. Also you've explained why the Left will probably never understand how Right-wing men can support a feminine woman like Palin; the Left sees such women as bimbos and so unserious.

Misogyny on the Right exists too but it works differently. The Right distrusts the women who wear the pantsuits, clip their hair severely, and scowl from the podium. I saw a LOT of over-the-top anti-Hillary crap from the Right, 1992 until 2008. To the Right, Hillary reminded them of the screaming ideologues they faced in college and in the Human Resources departments (like Michelle today).

I'm afraid that you (plural) are going to be stuck with misogynistic trolls wherever you go and whatever you say. (Hopefully not at Ace's so much.)

Not sure what the answer is other than to roll your eyes and/or laugh at them.

139 I think you've got him all wrong, Ace.  Excitable Andi is a steroid-addled psychopath who obviously suffers from AIDS demetia, and is (rumor has it) still haunted by his first homosexual experience (he thought he was menstruating, like an icky girl!, after getting his bum-cherry punched the first time), and all this makes him write most of the insane shit that he writes.  But the thing that makes him really crazy is that, for the first time in his life, in Sarah Palin he's found a female of the species who he genuinely wants to fuck, and this, coupled with his desperate need to also fuck Barak Obama, has destroyed his brain.

140 LOL, I just remembered how I came to the AOSHQ...Sully was going on about the unabashed hatred over here related Ace's (first?) post theorizingSully's descnet in to madness was AIDS induced dementia. Ironic, really, that in the process of losing me Sully lead me to the HQ of which I cannot get enough.

141

"... Hillary reminded them of the screaming ideologues they faced in college and in the Human Resources departments"

How's that misogynistic? The objection is to the ideology, and to a lesser degree the manner in which the ideology is articulated. Misogyny is objecting to women as women. That is, misogynists hate women precisely because they are women. In that case, the hysteria about Palin, because so much of it relates to her qualities as a woman, is much more misogynistic than the hysteria, such as it has been, about Hillary Clinton the cynic and ideologue. 

142

Seriously, Obama is the kiss of death - why anyone in Indiana would listen to that doofus after he jinxed the Colts is beyond me.

 

143 but suddenly a woman who could rock a D cup came on the scene, and then we were sold.

Um, well, woman here, and she's not a D cup, and she doesn't flaunt her cleavage, thankfully; she's just well proportioned and in great shape for a upper-40-ish mother of five, which anyone, including us couch potatoes, must admire -- for the self-discipline that requires, and that Sully has the hate for.

And finally -- this applies not to the whole left, but to a bizarre, twisted homosexual like Sullivan -- Sullivan really, really hates women, and really, really resents their power and really, really resents that they might possess a degree of sexual attractiveness for the majority of the male population that he can't compete with, no matter how much he squat-thrusts.

Only attractive, feminine women, who by strange coincidence, usually happen to be conservatives (RIP, Barbara Olsen). The others, the hags  -- Napolitano, Jarrett, Michelle, Pelosi, etc. -- they're cool by Andrew.

144

"She's Coughlin with boobs"

Really? Sarah Palin is a Catholic priest with a gift for gab?

Thanks for playing, Andi. No consolation prize for you.

145

All the talking heads will be against her. She will be swimming against a flood of vitriol, piss and fecal matter the Left will send her way. Every fake intellectual on TV will down talk her and will rush to Obama just to spit on Sarah. Their hate for her is murderous hatred. They hung her in effing effigy.

She can still be President but she has an insane amount of studying, talking, interviewing and ass kicking to do to get there.

Posted by: Holger at February 09, 2010 02:02 PM (8NGHm)

I've heard this argument used before to explain why Palin shouldn't run. I see the point, but at the same time if you use it, it's like 'letting the terrorists win.' 

Any time we have a strong conservative candidate, particularly a female, they'll just pull out the anti-Palin playbook and do it all over again. They're already doing it to Michelle Bachman as a just-in-case.

146

she's just well proportioned and in great shape for a upper-40-ish

Upper 40ish? She's 45. Actually she turns 46 in two days. Everyone be sure to wish her a happy birthday on Thursday.

147 I really don't think it's possible for Andrew Sullivan to forgive American men for failing to find him attractive.

148

Since Sulli apparently prefers Iran to the US and Israel, someone ought to find a way to ship Sulli to Iran.  The mullahs would have lots of fun with Sulli.

149 The argument that Zionism is responsible for "continual wars" is incredibly stupid. Let's look at this...

Zionism is the international political movement that originally supported the reestablishment of a homeland for the Jewish.

Why was that? The Holocaust. Even enlightened Europe could not be counted on to resist the psychotic paranoia and pure evil rationale that permitted millions of Jews to be burned in ovens. In fact, Europe has a long history of this, and much of our reputation as racist, bomb-loving cowboys comes from our European heritage, neatly summed up as Western culture. Europe joining this taunting is nothing but projection.

Nobody had a problem with a Jewish homeland when Israel became an internationally recognized nation, except for the goat-fucking Muslims who have colonized Europe. Now, we all get treated to rants about Zionism, as if there weren't a good reason the Jews wanted self-determination.

Yeah, blaming the Jews for "continual wars" is straight up fucking anti-semitism, Sullivan. I can't believe this angry crotch stalker has a job at all.

150 I could care less whether anyone thinks Palin has a realistic shot at the White House. We owe the left one for Obama. I want to see these sunshine patriots pack up and move to Europe in 2012 just like they threatened in 2000 and 2004.

That right there is the best reason to vote for her. "No more of these shitbags in America."

I hope she really has fun with it, too. When she raises her hand at the swearing in, I want it to read BOOK BURNINGS, CRIMINAL ABORTIONS, UNIFORMS, PRAYER IN SCHOOL just to see their heads explode like so many vampires exposed to the sunlight. I want the outrage to shatter glass.

Then they can get the fuck out. I never felt this way about the left before, but I thought Obama's election meant they would grow up and act like adults. I thought we all loved this country, even if we had different ideas. Not remotely true.

151

Ohh yes, yessss!  Bask in the white-hot glow of a SullySlam.  We're not worthy, O Enraged Ewok!

Also:  it was the JOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOS!!!111!!!

152 Andrew Sullivan really infuriates me in ways few others can. Sorry about the rain of profanity.

153 Palin has the boobiez?

Posted by: lorien1973 at February 09, 2010 12:10 PM (IhQuA)

Crap.  Somebody hijacked lorien's account.  THREAD POLICE!

154

It's good to see the public finally giving some props for that sweet, sweet rack.

<I fall for it every time.>

155 Reading WikiAnswers page on Why did the Holocaust happen? I'm reminded of Chris Matthews hilarious and solemn warning about the dangers posed by chharisatic leaders.

According to the first part of Ian Kershaw's biography Hitler, 1889-1939 Hubris, Penguin Books 1998 Hitler was a "lazy leader" who did not like to bother himself much with formulating day-to-day policy. As a result, his subordinates at various levels tried to guess what he wanted. This encouraged rapidly growing extremism. The terror apparatus, headed by Himmler and Heydrich, became a very powerful lobby.

156 Tattoo  - don't forget re-criminalizing buggery!

157 No, it is much simpler, he just hates white Christians.  Plain and simple.  And would like to see all of us dead so he can party with the peodophiles from Al Queda, the Taliban, and the Basji.

158

First, kudos for using this word.  Second, I am disturbed that you know it.  Third, there is a problem in your usage.  The catamite is usually the recipient,  the catcher to the pitcher, if you will.  This is not usually the case with those who take control, or so I assume. 

 

This might explain why they're doing such a bad job of it, Anal.

159 Gregg, they can't have babies. We'll breed them into obscurity once abortion is no longer the cool thing to do. I have decided to start taking leftists at their word. Gays, the men in particular, hate women because they give life. These people hate life. Ditto for terrorists and all those who enjoy permanent victim status. Their big complaint against life? It isn't "fair." So, they hate women.

160

I wonder what exactly Andrew Sullivan would have to say or do to lose his job at The Atlantic.

161 That's a great idea, Ace.  A remake of Bewitched, starring Sarah and Todd Palin.  Sully and his husband can be the couple next door.  He's always seeing strange goings on over there, but nobody believes him.

162 "Why do liberals and teh gheys (but I repeat myself) hate good looking powerful women?"

I thought all women instinctively hated any woman prettier or more popular than they.

And I imagine that's true irregardless of sex [grammar-police baiting intended].

163

It seems to escape Sullivan's attention that Palin came to prominence because the entire right was agitating for domestic exploration and then this attractive governor from Alaska spoke the magic words, which even our more conservative leaders shied away from: "Drill, baby, drill." Yes, including in the pristine wonders of the desolate wasteland known as ANWR.

Sullivan would posit that things happened in the opposite order. Here we all were celebrating the untainted and quite godforsaken barren tundra known as ANWR, but suddenly a woman who could rock a D cup came on the scene, and then we were sold.

It wasn't just the right that wanted domestic exploration.  It was not Palin, but--get ready for this--good old "28%" Bush that originally proposed it, in the summer of 2008, when Palin was still just a little-known governor of Alaska--and it was the most popular thing he'd proposed in several years.  Had it not been for the collapse of the financial markets, it might well have turned his popularity around and got McCain elected.

It still is popular, even if Obama is blocking it.

In fact, this was one of the first signs, to me anyway, that the country might actually be on the verge of a conservative renaissance.  It pointed the way toward a populist conservatism based on economic issues, rather than the more common populist social conservatism.

 

164 Why bother trying to PSYCHO-analyze this Spawn of Satan any more?  

165 Great post.

164, it's not really about O'Sullivan as much as it's about the left in general.  O'Sullivan is simply the left's personification.

I'm not even a big fan of Palin.  I mean, she's no Fred Thompson.  But, the more the left hates on her the more I like her boobs.  er, positions.  um, pagina.

Order a Paginagram for your girlfriend this V-day!

166 Six months from now, every time she wears the Paginagram, and fucks her new boyfriend, she'll think of you.  So, you've got that going for you.

167

I'm late to the party, but I need to write something just to make me feel better: this is awesome. As a matter of fact, Ace, you have written something fucking outstanding twice already this year about this very phenomenon.

Let me quote the part that grabbed my balls:

"The left continues freaking out over this -- over Brown's attractiveness, but particularly Palin's -- for several reasons. First of all, they are more superficial than most people, so they have a strong natural inclination to support whoever seems best-looking and coolest and etc., and so they find themselves with a bit of psychic discomfort as their (very shallow) political leanings take them in the opposite direction of their (even more shallow) personal inclination, and react violently to that disconnect.

"Related to this -- call this Reason 1 Sub A -- is that liberals believe that simply being liberal makes them more intelligent, and more attractive, and cooler, and hipper, and generally just better people, and they get very resentful indeed to have an attractive person on the other side of things, undermining their belief that being liberal makes them, by simple political affirmation, more desirable people."

You nailed it. Look at the humanlike herd animals who migrate to places like The Daily Beast. In between bitching about evil conservatives and lauding the unappreciated brilliance of such towering intellectuals as Obama and Kerry, they focus on....fashion. And celebrities. Who's up. Who's down. It's the ratings, baby, be it war or CSI Miami.

These people are too freaking stupid to govern. Yet they feel entitled because they are groupies, and everyone knows groupies are cool as snow because they hang with beautiful, well-dressed folks with high ratings. And if the ratings fall for beautiful, well-dressed folks--they mean you, Mr. President--that can only mean the public/audience is too goddamned stupid to know what is hot, but that's only for a while...

Because there always will be something new and shiny and beautiful and well-dressed to follow when it becomes unfashionable to hang around a has-been.

And these fucking people control the White House, Senate, and House. God help us.

Great work again, Ace. I'm going to drink something.

168

"Do not under-estimate the appeal of a beautiful, big breasted, divinely chosen warrior-mother..."

 

Folks, this isn't anger.  It's envy, and on more levels than propriety allows.

169

A.G.P., Ace.  A.G.P.

 

 

170 whew!  I love a good rant...gets me all tingly inside!

171 Palin has huge knockers? I never thought they were that big.


Just, just nice is all...

172 Dude, you spend WAY too much time on this doucheholster.

173 Ace, I love it when you get all worked up about something.  Then, your writing has this passion and incisive clarity to it that you seem to lack at other times.  Although, now all I can think about is how I want to check out Palin's boobs the next time I see her picture, just to see if they're really THAT big.

174

This is like Ace 2004.....perfect.

175

warrior-mother

Love it.

176

It's pretty obvious why Sullivan hates Sarah Palin and obsesses over her body, if you think about it.

He wants to BE HER.

Never underestimate the innate envy that 'bottom'-type gay men have for women. The female body is what a bottom, like Sullivan, deep down wishes and believes his own body should be. Someone as confused as Andi about what the gender of his own body is supposed to be will always have, on some level, the primordial urge to use his own body for reproduction, perhaps subconsciously, but realises, also subconsciously, that this is a physical impossibility. (And I mean no disrespect to gay men who may also have this kind of subconscious yearning somewhere deep down but who, unlike Sullivan, are able to deal with it and remain well balanced individuals.)

Meanwhile, Sarah Palin is attractive, politically successful, a powerful speaker and writer, has a secure and loving family situation and is a true conservative, all of which are things that Andrew Sullivan has aspired to for many years but has failed due to his own weaknesses and shortcomings. This is why he focuses on her.

Where all the obsessive bitchiness and hurt tone he assumes whenever he talks about her, is because Sarah Palin is not only the PERSON Andi wishes he was, she has the BODY he wishes he had. In essence, she has an orifice which can actually reproduce when a male organ is introduced into it. That is the one thing that Andi knows he can never truly have, and the one thing that underneath it all, he most desires.

"72 The sad thing is that his animus towards Jews is based on their practice of circumcisizing their boys, or what Andrew refers to as "genital mutilation."

Posted by: pmc at February 09, 2010 12:09 PM (q+Mgh)"

On a side note, if accurate this statement would imply that according to Andrew Sullivan, circumcision is a more serious form of genital mutilation than repeatedly ramming one's unprotected genitals into another man's sphincter. 

177

"On the other hand, there is no suggestion that Netanyahu is Trig’s dad."

 

LoL!!

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