Andrew Sullivan, Fucking Retard

Oh, I try to ignore him. Basically, by never reading him, which takes approximately as much concentrated effort on my part as is needed for me to withstand the potent temptation to staple corn-nuts to my hog.

But then a reader like JoeP. comes along and offers up this piece, and I have to comment.

Did she really just call for Rahm Emanuel to be fired because he allegedly used the term "fucking retarded" to refer to fellow Democrats in a private meeting? Last summer? Did she really?

I don't like the term myself. I think it is offensive. I think Rahm Emanuel is offensive. But at least he's real. And he has now apologized. And at least he used the term metaphorically.

Right. And if Dick Cheney used the term "fucking queerbaits" metaphorically, Andrew Sullivan, Professional Homosexual, would similarly take it in unhurried stride.

I use the word "retard" all the time, of course. But I acknowledge it is deeply, deeply impolite and hurtful to those who are mentally challenged and especially the parents of the mentally challenged. It obviously doesn't stop me from using the term; I do agree, as Krikorian said on The Corner, that Emanuel's use of it is "metaphoric" and, while vulgar, not a firing offense.

But Sullivan himself shrieks like little girl who just watched her pony get raped by the road crew for GWAR whenever the most trivial gay putdown is employed; it's all I can take to keep from busting a gut to hear him lecture me on how we should all just blow off painful invective as if it's no big deal.

I'd take his claims more seriously if he didn't claim everyone who ever said "that's gay" was a "seething homophobe," or whatever his mix-and-match Adjective-Noun combination putdown of the day might be.

Palin, in contrast, called her own campaign prop "her retarded baby" in private, according to an eye-witness account from the father of her own grandson who lived in her house for months and knew her intimately.

That's a very roundabout way of saying "professional mediawhore and gay softcore-porn icon Levi Johnson."


"I was just in shock the first time I heard it," Levi Johnston told CBS.

Right, the guy who announced he was a "fucking redneck" on his MySpace page was shocked, shocked to hear some crude put-downs.

And by the way, he didn't hear them; he's making this up. But the notion that this self-professed "fucking redneck" (and I presume he means that to mean he's boorish and thuggish, rather than in the sweeter way a gentleman like Jeff Foxworthy uses it) was "in shock" over hearing the dreaded r-word is, well, something that only steroid-demented retard Andrew Sullivan could possibly believe.

But oh -- we are just getting started here, folks.

Unlike Sarah Palin, Johnston has not been caught in multiple indisputable lies. I believe him over her. In fact, in any factual dispute, I believe anyone over her.

That's kind of your problem, you drug-addled fruitcake. ("Fruitcake" used metaphorically -- I don't mean he's literally a Christmas treat or anything. I have just apologized to Liz Cheney, head of the Fruitcake Confectioners of America, and she accepted it, so my usage of the word is blessed by a non-partisan authority.)

While I'm at it, does anyone actually believe that Palin's name for the child of miraculous provenance was found by her deep knowledge of ancient Norse as she claims in her magical-realism novel, "Going Rogue"? I mean, seriously. She knows about as much ancient Norse as she does English grammar.

This is where I have to go the low road yet again and quote, I think, Treacher, who once sniped, "Someone needs to explain to Andrew Sullivan that his favorite beverage is sometimes used to make babies."

I say this knowing it's nasty and hompohobic. But it's true: Andrew Sullivan, who has no true working conception of the idea that sex might sometimes have a procreative intent, once again shows how risibly out-of-touch he is with, well, anything not having to do with P-town or the Pet Shop Boys.

See, Andrew, one doesn't need a deep understanding of Norse mythology to have come across the Norse name "Trig." There are, you see, a huge number of books about baby-names, and huge lists of such things available on the Internet, and, see, while you apparently have never before met a pregnant woman (ick!), I can assure you such women ("breeders," to use terminology that might be familiar to you) are usually very interested indeed in interesting possibilities for naming their baby, and this interest actually increases throughout their nine-month term.

Did my parents know a great deal about the Gaelic origins of my name before they gave it to me? No, but I can tell you as soon as I was old enough to ask my mother could tell me what it was supposed to mean.

Gaelic scholar, she? No. She had a baby-naming book, dude.

This is simply embarrassing. I actually do wish to avoid the worst sorts of stereotypes about gays -- stereotypes as untrue, in the main, as they are mean -- but Andrew Sullivan continues proudly championing them.

He continues to write authoritatively about all aspects of the human reproductive cycle while exhibiting about the same level of working knowledge of the subject as all those space-aliens on Star Trek to whom Kirk constantly had to explain the phenomenon of human romantic love.

At least the space-aliens finally got it after a long and smoldering Kirk-Kiss.

I have no fucking idea what it will take to dislodge the tumor of expert ignorance from Sullivan's pot-pocked brain.

I continue to be baffled at how one of the gayest men on the planet -- ranking like a 7.3 on the Kinsley scale of 6 -- propounds weekly on arcane-only-to-him topics of childbirth, motherhood, and the Mysteries of Forbidden Vagina.

Now, that out of the way, here comes the obligatory insinuations of Trig Trutherism:

It's as credible as the idea that she gave a speech while having contractions, several hours after going into labor, as she claims in her novel. It's as credible as her amazing journey in labor with a special needs child on a plane where the flight attendants, according to the Anchorage Daily News, did not even notice she was pregnant. It's as credible as any number of indisputable self-serving, unbalanced lies that she has told in the public record for years.

Remember, he has been forbidden to state explicitly that Sarah Palin is not Trig's mother, but he sure as shit can hint around about it.

And now we come to the culmination of his Internet Detective stupidity:

The medical term for Down Syndrome is Trisomy-21 or Trisomy-g. It is often shortened in medical slang to Tri-g.

He does not provide a citation for that last claim. The cite he includes -- just to the medical term for Downs Syndrome -- contains no reference at all to "Tri-g." (Search it yourself.)

Despite the fact that Dr. Andrew Sullivan asserts, upon his own great authority, that the Downs Syndrome is "often" shortened to "tri-g" -- often, remember -- a google search fails to come up with a single mention of "Tri-G" on the first fifteen pages. (I gave up after that.) It's all Trig (as in Palin) and trig (as in geometry) and trig (as in some computer thingee).

I do come up rather easily with this baby-name page on the meaning of Trig,M which notes the name was popularized by Governor Palin, but not that it was invented by her.

Oddly enough, the "Tri-G" derivation of the name is nowhere to be found on this page. (Remember -- Downs Syndrome is often shortened to Tri-G.)

You know what they say it is?

That it's fucking Norse. They even mention a couple of somewhat-notable people who sport the name, and do not, as far as I know, have an extra chromosome.

Is it not perfectly possible that the very name given to this poor child, being reared by Bristol, is another form of mockery of his condition, along with the "retarded baby" tag?

No. If she hated the baby that much she could have chosen your preferred option of abortion.

And does the way in which this poor child was hauled around the country on a book tour, being dragged out in front of flash photographs in the middle of the night, barely clothed, suggest someone who actually cares for children with special needs, or rather sees them as a way to keep the spotlight on her?

It says she's a working mother.

Again, Andrew Sullivan demonstrates his extreme ignorance about all things reproductive. It utterly fails to crack his Blue Event Horizon of Stupid that mothers must care for young children at all hours a day. Especially if they're breastfeeding, which I am guessing Governor Palin is.

This doesn't even occur to him.

What does Dr. Andrew Sullivan, noted child psychologist recently called "just like Dr. Benjamin Spock, except fat and with a beard and rawmuscleglutes," think mothers do with their 2-year-old children when they need to venture out of the home? Drop them off at Kinko's? Stick them into hypersleep capsules a la Alien?

What? What happens to this kid when Palin is working, in Sullivan's mind? Does he imagine the kid has a hibernate switch like his computer?

C'mon, Levi. Write that book. Expose this fraud.

Doesn't quite have the same ring to it as "Help us Obi-Wan Kenobi, you're our only hope," does it?

Pinning his hopes on a pin-up.

How pathetic.

Sullvan? Seriously, you need to stop opining on a topic you obviously are laughably ignorant of and stick to your strengths.

Whatever those might eventually turn out to be.

Posted by: Ace at 03:29 PM



Comments

1 Do something about that headline Ace. Or else!

Posted by: Newly-Militant Fucking Retards at February 03, 2010 03:30 PM (QKKT0)

2 staple corn-nuts to my hog

Ouch.

Posted by: Dang Straights at February 03, 2010 03:32 PM (fx8sm)

3 Perhaps Sullivan was under the influence of marijuana when he wrote this piece.


Posted by: looking closely at February 03, 2010 03:32 PM (6Q9g2)

4 Rush Limbaugh said on his show today, "Rahm Emanuel compared Democrats to retarded people, then apologized to retarded people.

Posted by: Tattoo De Plane at February 03, 2010 03:33 PM (mHQ7T)

5
Ace is a Gaelic name? Who knew...

Posted by: Flying Monkey at February 03, 2010 03:33 PM (Oxen1)

6 The term "mongoloid" used to be used to refer to Down Syndrome affectees. . .maybe we can apply it to Sullivan instead.

Posted by: looking closely at February 03, 2010 03:33 PM (6Q9g2)

7 By the way, Down syndrome is **NEVER** referred to as "Tri-G".

Not by doctors.
Not by patients.
Not by geneticists.
Not by anyone.

Posted by: looking closely at February 03, 2010 03:35 PM (6Q9g2)

8 Especially if they're breastfeeding, which I am guessing Governor Palin is.

Yeah. I'll need photographic evidence of this. For accuracy purposes only. Of course.

Posted by: lorien1973 at February 03, 2010 03:36 PM (IhQuA)

9 So if I call Andrea Sullivan a FAGGOT, at least I'm real???

Posted by: gus at February 03, 2010 03:36 PM (Vqruj)

10 Glad you didn't link to the POS

Posted by: mongerel at February 03, 2010 03:37 PM (ZszgD)

11 I think I have Tri-G...

Posted by: Robert Gibbs at February 03, 2010 03:37 PM (nz654)

12 Ace Go Bragh!

Posted by: Cicero at February 03, 2010 03:37 PM (QKKT0)

13 Somewhere, a Men's Room in a highway rest stop is missing it's pervert.

Posted by: sifty at February 03, 2010 03:37 PM (PXR0g)

14 Perhaps if we had a way-back machine, we could prevail upon Momma Sullivan to name her manchild Highvee?


Posted by: Alec Leamas at February 03, 2010 03:38 PM (IVQSY)

15 I'm a little uncomfortable with term SPADES, but at least ACE is real!!

Posted by: gus at February 03, 2010 03:38 PM (Vqruj)

16 I could go the rest of my life without hearing the name Levi Johnson. Or Andi Sullivan, for that matter.

Posted by: Jane D'oh! at February 03, 2010 03:39 PM (UOM48)

17 He is a total LIAR. I am a nurse who works in an OBGYN department and I have never heard down syndrome called TriG.

Posted by: Amaryllis at February 03, 2010 03:39 PM (JhlFi)

18 From Medline Plus, a website from the National Institutes of Health and the US National Library of Medicine:

Main Entry: Down syndrome

Variant(s): or Down's syndrome

Function: noun

: a congenital condition characterized by moderate to severe
mental retardation, slanting eyes, a broad short skull, broad hands with
short fingers, and by trisomy of the human chromosome numbered 21 --
called also trisomy 21
Down /dan/ , John Langdon Haydon (1828-1896),
British physician. Down published in 1866 a treatise on the
degeneration of race as a result of marriages of consanguinity. He
classified individuals exhibiting mental retardation according to the
supposed physiognomic features of various races including the American
Indian, Caucasian, Ethiopian, and Mongolian. Although his classification
is invalid, one kind of moderate to severe mental retardation was known
until recently as mongolism and is now called Down syndrome or Down's
syndrome.


If "Tri-G" was often used as the shorthand for this condition, one would think it would have merited notice by this source.

Posted by: Slublog at February 03, 2010 03:40 PM (qjKko)

19 I have never heard down syndrome called TriG.

I hear they call em democrats, though.

Posted by: lorien1973 at February 03, 2010 03:40 PM (IhQuA)

20 Somebody get Dr. Andi a Buick and an air pocket. Stat.

Posted by: sifty at February 03, 2010 03:40 PM (PXR0g)

21 I'm starting to think that Super Crazy Andy is actually a whole panty bunch of fucking insane Wikipedia editors. "I looked it up" could easily just be "I edited what should have been in there in the first place."

Posted by: WTFCI at February 03, 2010 03:40 PM (+zo63)

22 Ace.... when you rock, you *bleeping* rock... nothing like reading something etched in acid... wow....

Posted by: GuyfromNH at February 03, 2010 03:41 PM (GWXuo)

23
The term Tri-G is fake, but accurate.

Posted by: El Atlantico at February 03, 2010 03:41 PM (fx8sm)

24 I really really hope that this post comes up first on a google search of his name because you know he googles it like five times a day.

Posted by: Kathleen McKinley aka Rightwingsparkle at February 03, 2010 03:41 PM (8CCp3)

25 Amaryllis, have you ever heard the FAG?, HOMO?, QUEER?TEH GHEY??

Just keepin' it REAL.

Posted by: gus at February 03, 2010 03:41 PM (Vqruj)

26 Great op ed Ace, I enjoyed that.

Posted by: 'Nam Grunt at February 03, 2010 03:41 PM (IIHY9)

27

At least the space-aliens finally got it after a long and smoldering Kirk-Kiss.
I have no fucking idea what it will take to dislodge the tumor of expert ignorance from Sullivan's pot-pocked brain.-Ace
A long and smoldering Kirk-Kiss.

Posted by: Z Ryan at February 03, 2010 03:41 PM (cMo6P)

28 Its kinda sad to see someone with ARD deteriorate before your eyes.

Posted by: Purple Avenger at February 03, 2010 03:42 PM (PcRSS)

29 Are andy and charles fuckhead really joined together humping with charles wife perez guiding them?

Posted by: 'Nam Grunt at February 03, 2010 03:43 PM (IIHY9)

30 Basically, by never reading him,

The only thing you read is Hot Air, who reads the NYT, so you don't have to.

Hi, ergie! Shouldn't you be the streamlining the multi-vendor telecom environment by managing the entire telecom infrastructure or something?

Posted by: Tumescent Republican at February 03, 2010 03:43 PM (m4Ulb)

31 (stands, starts slow clap for Ace)

Posted by: chris at February 03, 2010 03:43 PM (SiJV8)

32 For the record, we didn't write this post.

Posted by: Daily Dish Underbloggers at February 03, 2010 03:43 PM (Q1lie)

33 Many people use the term FAG in reference to Andi Sullivan
As in:
FUCK!
ANDI'S
GHEY
FAG!!

Posted by: gus at February 03, 2010 03:43 PM (Vqruj)

34 The only thing you read is Hot Air, who reads the NYT, so you don't have to.

Ok, that was pretty funny, you have to admit.

Posted by: Dang Straights at February 03, 2010 03:43 PM (fx8sm)

35 I did look up the name "andrew sullivan"; its norse, for seaman sucker.

Posted by: Guy Fawkes at February 03, 2010 03:44 PM (DIYmd)

36 Searched a website called mediLexicon, which has a database of medical abbreviations. Entered "Tri-G"

Medical Abbreviation Search for 'Tri-G'

No Search Results Found
Unfortunately there are no medical/pharma acronyms or abbreviations that match your search criteria... Tri-G.
If you have an 'S' at the end of the abbreviation, please re-try the search leaving off the 'S'.
To search for multiple abbreviations at the same time you can enter the separate terms separated by 'OR'. For example, a search for BID OR CJD would bring up results for both terms.
If you find an abbreviation that is missing from our database, please use our feedback form to send it to us.

Posted by: Slublog at February 03, 2010 03:44 PM (qjKko)

37 Here is an explanation for Andy telling us:
The medical term for Down Syndrome is Trisomy-21 or Trisomy-g. It is often shortened in medical slang to Tri-g.
It is found in Andy's use of the word "often". So long as Andy and one or two others bandy it about, he can claim to be correct as it will then be part of medical slang (albeit by a non-medical source).

Posted by: pigilito at February 03, 2010 03:45 PM (Ylg4M)

38 After endorsing Rand Paul, she deserves no further defense against Sullivan. Her grasp of national politics is as erratic as Sullivan's on reality.

Posted by: Mippilis at February 03, 2010 03:45 PM (VWhPF)

39 Ace ( and persons Unknown ), Sullivan will take your advice when the polar ice melts. Until then, enjoy the shrieking and the drama and the absurd excesses

Sodom Gomorrah meets Inside the Beltway...

Posted by: SantaRosaStan at February 03, 2010 03:45 PM (JrRME)

40 Hi ergie! Time to go do some telecom analysis, architecture, contract negotiation & product management to after sale support and TEM services. Or something. Whatever it is you do for a living.

Posted by: Tumescent Republican at February 03, 2010 03:46 PM (m4Ulb)

41 I don't confess this very often, but I have family that knows Sarah Palin quite well. And one thing I am absolutely certain of is that the term "retarded baby" would not come out of her mouth. If douchebag Johnston ever heard this phrase fall from her lips the only situation that I could think it would be true is if she was referring to some horrible slur that someone had made about the baby.
On the other hand, I'm fairly certain that Andrew Sullivan's parents on more than one occasion referred to their progeny as a retarded poufter.

Posted by: ParanoidGirlInSeattle at February 03, 2010 03:46 PM (RZ8pf)

42
Did a quick Lexis search, nothing there about 'Tri-G' but a real estate developer. But then, we all knew he was making it up anyway.

Posted by: Dang Straights at February 03, 2010 03:46 PM (fx8sm)

43 Ok, that was pretty funny, you have to admit.

It was as shitty and lame as everything erg writes.

I wonder if he's bundled himself off to France to avail himself of their super-awesome health care yet.

Posted by: Waterhouse at February 03, 2010 03:46 PM (RwPdb)

44 "Andrew Sullivan, Fucking Retard"

You shouldn't say that about his boyfriend!

Posted by: Jarrod at February 03, 2010 03:47 PM (2KV+l)

45 'Bad, bad craziness' is the latest phrase of little green furballs head panhandler. Describes his new friends like Andy to a 't'.


Posted by: Amish Jack at February 03, 2010 03:47 PM (IhHdM)

46 It is often shortened in medical slang to Tri-g.

No. 3,255,200,453 of the Curious Lies of Andrew Sullivan.

Posted by: Logician at February 03, 2010 03:47 PM (bN5ZU)

47 This post made me crack up. Keep up the good work attacking Sullivan. That homosexual piece of shit needs to get a life. I mean, he needs to be committed.

Posted by: Kaitian at February 03, 2010 03:47 PM (KcNBo)

48 The entire rant:

+1,000,000,000,000,000

Bravo

Posted by: TheRedDianthus at February 03, 2010 03:47 PM (ErOeR)

49 #37
Here's another explanation.
Sullivan pulled the term "Tri-G" out of his ass.
Undoubtedly not the first time for that.

Posted by: looking closely at February 03, 2010 03:47 PM (PwGfd)

50 My experience is that a woman who's given birth four times previously is - generally - in pretty good touch with her body. Especially a mom with four kids who is in better shape than rawmuscleglutes types.

-

Posted by: BumperStickerist at February 03, 2010 03:48 PM (ruzrP)

51 this guy is 25 pounds of stupid, in a five pound sack.

Posted by: Unclefacts, Proprietor International House of Bacons at February 03, 2010 03:48 PM (erIg9)

52 Corn nuts!

Posted by: Heather at February 03, 2010 03:48 PM (cQyWA)

53 Somewhere, a Men's Room in a highway rest stop, a hole is missing its glory.

Posted by: CUS at February 03, 2010 03:49 PM (wOGfT)

54 I found another term that is scientifically interchangeable with demented and irretrievably fucking stupid. What a coinkydink.

Posted by: sull-i-van at February 03, 2010 03:49 PM (5I0Yr)

55 Ace,

Glad to see you finally got around to posting the stalker takedown.

Regards,

The Morons

Posted by: Kevin in ABQ at February 03, 2010 03:49 PM (jCKHk)

56 Oh, just watch. In a year or two the left will trot out the Tri-g lie as though it's simply obvious.

I bet someone demands Palin prove this isn't where she got the name.

Sullivan knows what he's doing.

This is the kind of sick lie that the democrats always need. They know Palin's moral loving human decision is part of her strength against the Sullivan Democrats, so they try to lie to turn that against her. They want Trig to be a liability so, so, so badly.

Doesn't matter that it takes 9.5 months to make a baby and this proved Palin is Trig's mom. Doesn't matter that the kind of cover up it would require to fake a pregnancy is just stupid and insane. It's a line that they can bring up at little cost to themselves and slightly tarnish Palin. Pure ugliness doesn't hurt the ugly.

Some people will believe there is some vague notion that Sarah Palin doesn't love Trig. that there were serious allegations about her saying he's a retard and naming him for Down's Syndrome. That's so ridiculous and horrible and cruel, but some people will totally buy it.

That's what Sullivan is after now. That's why he contributed to the world.

Like the 'teabagger' slur, some will start repeating this slur. It's going to get people mad and be a great troll. Pathetic, and that's part of what this world is about now.

Posted by: Mr Hat at February 03, 2010 03:49 PM (dUOK+)

57 This guy's just a whackadoodle, isn't he?
Somehow, I get the impression that he's really secretly attracted to Governor Palin and uses this vitriol to cover up his shame.

Posted by: soulpile at February 03, 2010 03:49 PM (afWhQ)

58 When you say off handedly that andy sucks it's the truth.

Posted by: 'Nam Grunt at February 03, 2010 03:49 PM (IIHY9)

59 OK, Ace, tell us, Tell Us How You Really Feel!!!!

Since you mentioned the PSB, may I point you to a little song of theirs from 1990. The title fits Sully perfectly.

<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3VDObIIRSYI">How Can You Expect to Be Taken Seriously?</a>

Posted by: newton at February 03, 2010 03:50 PM (q5ZJk)

60 After endorsing Rand Paul, she deserves no further defense

Why? 1. Rand is not the whack job his father is. 2. Who are you to decide what she deserves?

Posted by: Guy Fawkes at February 03, 2010 03:50 PM (DIYmd)

61 Saw the little post about this. Think this guy says stuff like this cause no one is reading him and he needs the "hits" to keep his job. Cause this is way too callous and outrageous to come from a normal person. Then all the conservative blogs link to the guy and he keeps his job.

If Paris Paramus is around. I checked, Chuckie is up for re election and so is Kristin for a special election to fill out the rest of ol hill's term. So that means that NYer's will be choosing both of their senate seats. This is unusual to say the least. But that explains why chuckie suddenly is not around much and jumped on the "no trial in NY band wagon".

Posted by: curious at February 03, 2010 03:50 PM (p302b)

62 #40

Go cry a river.

Posted by: Techie at February 03, 2010 03:51 PM (wVPwI)

63 Remind me what the term "fucking retard" is a metaphor of?
I forget.

Posted by: Speller at February 03, 2010 03:51 PM (o0R2E)

64 Duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh. Uh, duh duh.

Posted by: Andrew F*ckface at February 03, 2010 03:51 PM (5I0Yr)

65 Sullivan's site is kind of fun to read, especially when he's weeping about healthcare.
On every other topic, every opinion he has on every topic relates to whether or not it makes his dick hard.He had like 20 posts on masturbation last week.
I think he wanked himself all the way through the SOTU speech. Seriously.

Posted by: Tom Servo at February 03, 2010 03:52 PM (T1boi)

66 Did my parents know a great deal about the Gaelic origins of my name before they gave it to me?
Brian?....Glen?......

Mulva?

Posted by: eleven at February 03, 2010 03:53 PM (7DB+a)

67 STDs don't do Andy's brainmuch good.

Posted by: Kranix at February 03, 2010 03:53 PM (G6Bs/)

68 By the way Trisomy-21 is one of the many ways to describe Down's Syndrome. There's no fucking way doctors, nurses, etc would all say "Oh he has Trisomy-21." No, it doesn't work that way. They just say "Down's" or "Mongoloid" if that's PC to say. Christ on a stick, Sullivan is many levels of a homosexual retard.

Posted by: Kaitian at February 03, 2010 03:53 PM (KcNBo)

69 ANDREW SULLIVAN- BUTT FUCKING RETARD.

That's better FIFY.

Posted by: gus at February 03, 2010 03:53 PM (Vqruj)

70 51 this guy is 25 pounds of stupid, in a five pound sack.

Only 25 pounds?

Posted by: Kaitian at February 03, 2010 03:54 PM (KcNBo)

71 Remind me what the term "fucking retard" is a metaphor of?
I forget.

Democrats you dumb-ass.

Posted by: Rahm Emmanual at February 03, 2010 03:54 PM (wOGfT)

72 Ace -
GWAR would Rape the Pony themselves.
But thanks for the reference to the Greatest Band Evah!!!!!
A+ work, there buddy..and stay away from Sulli - You don't want Legionnairs' Disease!
-G

Posted by: garrett at February 03, 2010 03:54 PM (nhPFT)

73 Seriously, the only reason the Atlantic keeps him on payroll is is perma-link on Drudge? At least, that's what I've heard.

Posted by: Techie at February 03, 2010 03:54 PM (wVPwI)

74 Tri-G is NOT short for Trisomy 21.


Even the original rumor wat that was that "tri- g" was short for Trisomy genetic diseases" , and if that's a common abbreviation in genetic circles I've never seen it.

However, Tri-g is a label used for a specific mutant allele in the Tomato plant.

Also it's short for triglycerides.

So you know, Palin is really into scientific shorthand and medical terminology and thinks her baby is fat tomato.

As did I of my own.

Posted by: SarahW at February 03, 2010 03:55 PM (CSrvi)

75 38 After endorsing Rand Paul, she deserves no further defense against Sullivan. Her grasp of national politics is as erratic as Sullivan's on reality.

You rather have a democrat? Nice to know.

Posted by: Kaitian at February 03, 2010 03:56 PM (KcNBo)

76 The sperm swilling swish Sullivanonly brags about getting hisinch-worm hard because he couldn't get it up with a Fisherman's HelperTM.

Posted by: Speller at February 03, 2010 03:56 PM (o0R2E)

77

Posted by: Mippilis at February 03, 2010 03:45 PM (VWhP)
Go sit on a tuffet.

Posted by: A Balrog of Morgoth at February 03, 2010 03:56 PM (wgLRl)

78 Have you had even a stray thought, even the occasional "Me fuck Mommy,
now" which hasn't been supplied to you by Hot Air?

Erg, why aren't you sucking on a shotgun yet? "Your America" is being torn down before your very eyes, and your Trotskyite Messiah will be lucky to make it to exile in some Communist shithole before his reign of reckless incompetent terror is finally over.

Geez, dude, suicide is really the only noble option you have left. Man up, pussy.

Posted by: VJay at February 03, 2010 03:57 PM (gQ+XA)

79 Someone once offered Minute Rice to Andrew Sullivan, but he turned it down because he said he wanted regular sized rice.

Posted by: The Mega Independent at February 03, 2010 03:57 PM (5I0Yr)

80 Ok what's a tuffet, hope I never sat on one, may have shot one tho'.

Posted by: 'Nam Grunt at February 03, 2010 03:57 PM (IIHY9)

81 http://slangrn.com/definition/tri-21

This could be where Sullivan picked it up. Not a medical journal I know. Just some stupid slang post that was made back in December 2009. I'm venturing that faggot was probably the creator of that post.

Posted by: Kaitian at February 03, 2010 03:58 PM (KcNBo)

82 You know, there are a bunch of sites out there for various associations and societies dedicated to supporting individuals with Downs syndrome and parents of children with Downs syndrome. There are also sites that act as resources for information on Downs syndrome.

You can also do a site search in Google for "tri-g" for these sites, and you find nothing. Nada. Because that moron Sullivan made it up. It's a much more specific search and more damning.

Posted by: dorkafork at February 03, 2010 03:58 PM (o8YQi)

83 I don't confess this very often, but I have family that knows Sarah Palin quite well. And one thing I am absolutely certain of is that the term "retarded baby" would not come out of her mouth. If douchebag Johnston ever heard this phrase fall from her lips the only situation that I could think it would be true is if she was referring to some horrible slur that someone had made about the baby.
It's patently false. She would never say something like that.
If she was that coarse I'm sure she would have had some pretty choice words for that scrunt Letterman a while back.
And anyway -- you just know she wouldn't. It's clearly not in her nature.

Posted by: eleven at February 03, 2010 03:58 PM (7DB+a)

84 "Take Adrian Andi to the zoo. Retards like the zoo." - Rocky I

Posted by: Wyatt Earp at February 03, 2010 03:58 PM (zgZzy)

85 What's his fevered little brain and lame shitty imaginary detective work figure is the story behind Track's name?

Posted by: Waterhouse at February 03, 2010 03:58 PM (RwPdb)

86 I just wish The Atlantic was made to account for Sullivan's abject stupidity and slander. I wish someone could make them defend this idiocy. It's just incredible to me that the once respectable magazine is reduced to propping up a lunatic link whore -- who by the way -- uses little sock puppets to write his content.

Posted by: Topsecretk9 at February 03, 2010 03:59 PM (MbyMv)

87 My son has Down's Syndrome. The thing that boils my blood worse than anything else this jerk says? He keeps referring to Sarah Palin's baby as a "poor child."
To say he has no idea is a monumental understatement. My son is not a "poor child," and I doubt Trig Palin is either. My son is a wonderful human being, most people who have contact with him are better off for it. I wonder if anyone on this Earth would say the same about Sullivan.

Posted by: Burt TC at February 03, 2010 04:00 PM (TOk1P)

88 I'm sorry, but I really can't believe that Andrew Sullivan would just make something up whole cloth, totally manufactured like that. Tri-g has to be real.

Posted by: Andrew Sullivan at February 03, 2010 04:00 PM (5I0Yr)

89 It's as credible as the idea that she gave a speech while having contractions, several hours after going into labor, as she claims in her novel.
When I went into labor with my first child,I was at the hospital within half an hour.
But when I went into labor with my third child, I baked a birthday cake, let it cool, then hand-decorated it for my daughter in a very complex Barbie patternbefore heading off to the hospital--because I knew otherwise my daughter wasn't going to get that Barbie cake she really wanted.For a woman like Sarah Palin, giving a speech would be mere child's play.
But anyway that's all beside the point because Sulli doesn't even have his facts straight. What she claimed in her book was that her amniotic fluid was leaking, and she gave the speech anyway. Leaking amniotic fluid is not the same thing as having contractions or being in labor.Her labor started whenthey induced her at the hospital.It can happen weeks before labor begins. Mine leaked with my second pregnancy; the doctor did an ultrasound and sent me home. No big deal.

Posted by: Average Jen at February 03, 2010 04:00 PM (fRnux)

90 Wow, that was an AWESOME rant.


Posted by: 18-1 at February 03, 2010 04:00 PM (7BU4a)

91 Methinks that Andrew's watched a bit too much television.

On teh TV pregnant women having contractions are grabbing rails, wailing, gnashing teeth, threatening to kill their impregnator, et cetera.

My recollection from my wife's pregnancies is that the contractions can start a loooong time before birth and be more an inconvenience than a full bull-goose "Lucy and Desi in the Maternity Ward" scenario.

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Posted by: BumperStickerist at February 03, 2010 04:00 PM (ruzrP)

92 Great read. These type of posts just draw me in like a moth to a little funny, foul-mouthed flame.

Posted by: Amused Observer at February 03, 2010 04:00 PM (EioPx)

93 Hey, ergie. You know what I hear? I hear you enjoy changing perceptions, especially when it comes to customer experience. Would your boss really approve of you using company time and resources writing such naughty things?

Posted by: Tumescent Republican at February 03, 2010 04:01 PM (m4Ulb)

94 @87 - He's a "poor child" because Andi would prefer he was aborted. Despicable.

Posted by: Wyatt Earp at February 03, 2010 04:01 PM (zgZzy)

95 When they told Andrew Sullivan that an iceberg sunk the Titanic, he said he knew the jews were behind it.

Posted by: The Mega Independent at February 03, 2010 04:01 PM (5I0Yr)

96 Jaw-droppingly awesome snark, Ace. In a non-gay way, NTTAWWT.

Posted by: Luca Brasi at February 03, 2010 04:02 PM (YmPwQ)

97 1. Rand is not the whack job his father is.
Except for the wackiness about the CIA, Rand Paul shares numerous of his father's paranoid beliefs about the US government, and supports the closing of GITMO, bashed the Iraq war, banning enhanced interrogation of terrorists, and is as big an Israel-basher as his father.
2. Who are you to decide what she deserves?
Nice non-sequiter, but I think she's demonstrating that she's going to be a divisive voice come 2012, not a promoter of the party. Just like Steele gets ripped for all of his gaffes, Palin deserves some blame for jumping in on the TX governor race way too early and for endorsing Paul over a sure-win candidate like Grayson.
I don'tbegrudge her, but ever since she put out the book it's been all about Sarah.

Posted by: Mippilis at February 03, 2010 04:02 PM (VWhPF)

98 Jen, sorry but you are mistaken.

The uber OB-GYN Dr. Andrew Sullivan has spoken.

Posted by: Techie at February 03, 2010 04:02 PM (wVPwI)

99 Jesus effin' Christ, for someone you don't care about, you just spent more effort on slapping down the pathetic smegma receptacle than Madison put into the Constitution.

Posted by: mrkwong at February 03, 2010 04:02 PM (G8Eo0)

100 Andi girl - what a disgusting individual. To paraphrase Patton, he knows as much about fucking, as Obama knows about freedom. Maybe a little more, actually.

Posted by: real joe at February 03, 2010 04:03 PM (IAOAn)

101 89

Don't bother. Andrew Sullivan thinks of you as a "fucking breeder" and that you should never question his 300 pounds of lying shit because he fancies himself as a OB/GYN faggot expert. In fact, he cries himself to sleep wishing that he could get a vaginoplasty but got disqualified because his thick shell you call his head is full of shit.

Posted by: Kaitian at February 03, 2010 04:03 PM (KcNBo)

102 I have built a wall to protect Sarah in my mind from these rope suckers on the left moonbat side, so no worries many of us will protect her until she is sworn in as the 45th President of the United States!

Posted by: 'Nam Grunt at February 03, 2010 04:03 PM (IIHY9)

103 Gaelic? Interesting.
I'd have sworn "Ace" was short for Acacio (from the Greek, meaning "of the thorny tree").

Posted by: FireHorse at February 03, 2010 04:03 PM (cQyWA)

104 Any takers on how long they think it'll be before Andi tries to seduce Levi? This is all this is about really. He wants Levi and being their to console the idiot after his 15 minutes are up is the way he plans on doing it.

Posted by: taylork at February 03, 2010 04:03 PM (4jZ56)

105 Ugh. Actually, "trisomy g" is referenced on Wikipedia for Down Syndrome. The reference isn't sourced to anything.

Please tell me Crazy Andy isn't just quoting shit he read on Wikipedia.

Posted by: WTFCI at February 03, 2010 04:04 PM (+zo63)

106 This is where I have to go the low road yet again and quote, I think, Treacher, who once sniped, "Someone needs to explain to Andrew Sullivan that his favorite beverage is sometimes used to make babies."
I love Jim Treacher. In a completely non-homophobic, non-homophilic way.

Posted by: FUBAR at February 03, 2010 04:04 PM (1fanL)

107 Trig. Just what the world needs. Another fucking scandi.

Posted by: km at February 03, 2010 04:04 PM (3Dt+U)

108 Some people say Andrew is suffering from AIDS dementia.

They are quite wrong.

He is suffering from HATE dementia. His hate has addled his brain.

Posted by: Thea at February 03, 2010 04:04 PM (/3dGX)

109 Everyone wave to Erg. It's found the open access terminal at the library again.


Posted by: Techie at February 03, 2010 04:04 PM (wVPwI)

110 Did you know that "homosexual" is shortened in hetero slang to "homo", not mention "faggot" is shortened to "fag".

Just sayin', because Andy is gay.

Posted by: FreakyBoy at February 03, 2010 04:04 PM (Q41Zh)

111 But Sullivan himself shrieks like little girl who just watched her pony
get raped by the road crew for GWAR whenever the most trivial gay
putdown is employed; it's all I can take to keep from busting a gut to
hear him lecture me on how we should all just blow off painful
invective as if it's no big deal.

We are insulted.

The pony wanted it, and the little girl, well, she was actually 42.

Posted by: GWAR Roadies at February 03, 2010 04:04 PM (OKZrE)

112 Someone once tried to give Andrew Sullivan a Lost DVD, but he kept insisting it was right there.

Posted by: The Mega Independent at February 03, 2010 04:04 PM (5I0Yr)

113 Mippilis,

I'd take him over a Democrat. That's all I need. Plus he would be a guaranteed vote against any shit the Democrats pull like raising taxes, new programs etc. He would be a boon to keeping government down rather than increasing it. Fuck off.

Posted by: Kaitian at February 03, 2010 04:05 PM (KcNBo)

114 Well done! I stumbledupon that post of his myself and it pissed me off. The man is truly disturbed, obsessed, and consumed with hate. I'm glad you slapped him around over it. It's unbelievable that people take that blogger seriously when he quite obviously is mentally ill.
And, yeah, I can't find any evidence that Tri-G is "often" used in the manner Sullivan claims, either. If he just madethat up, that needs to be exposed.

Posted by: franticflintstone at February 03, 2010 04:05 PM (VGbp5)

115 Actually, "trisomy g" is referenced on Wikipedia for Down Syndrome.

Yeah, it is NOW, the dickbag probably added the entry himself.

Posted by: Dang Straights at February 03, 2010 04:06 PM (fx8sm)

116 I used to know a guy named Trig. He was not Norse and he didn't have Downs Syndrome. Go figure.

Posted by: huerfano at February 03, 2010 04:06 PM (sf1Eo)

117 I was having drinks with The Chicken and he told me that Sarah Palin actually did say 'retarded baby'. She was talking with Todd about what they were going to do about Levi.

fyi The Chicken can't even sit on a barstool thanks to you cruel bastards.

Posted by: fozzy at February 03, 2010 04:06 PM (ccEuN)

118 Sullivan is an unhappy bitch, because he's gay. Because he knows he willfully behaves in an immoral fashion and enjoys it, and because many many Americans do not approve of Sullivans choices. Most of us have seen his type many many times. From my experience with homosexuals, rarely have a seen a gay person that is happy or well adjusted. Sarah Palin is someone who should be admired universally for the choices she has made and the upright morality she displays. Her little boy is as valuable to God as Sullivan is.
Trig does not have a choice, he was born with Down Syndrome. Sullivan does have a choice. He CHOOSES to be GAY and unhappy.

Posted by: gus at February 03, 2010 04:06 PM (Vqruj)

119 Please tell me Crazy Andy isn't just quoting shit he read on Wikipedia.

He probably wrote the entry.

Posted by: Waterhouse at February 03, 2010 04:06 PM (RwPdb)

120 I use the word "retard" all the time, of course. But I acknowledge it is deeply, deeply impolite and hurtful to those who are mentally challenged and especially the parents of the mentally challenged.
That's right Ace. I am deeply offended, and I want you fired!

Posted by: Little Andy Sullivan's Dad at February 03, 2010 04:06 PM (OlN4e)

121 Did my parents know a great deal about the Gaelic origins of my name before they gave it to me?
"Ace" is Gaelic? Who knew? I'm pretty sure Andy Sullivan knows more Gay-Lick than you or your mother breeder.

Posted by: FUBAR at February 03, 2010 04:06 PM (1fanL)

122 "Actually, "trisomy g" is referenced on Wikipedia for Down Syndrome. The reference isn't sourced to anything."

Trisomy-G is a medical term but it's definitly not the term used primarily to describe Down's Syndrome nor is it shortened to Tri-G. Like I said, Andrew Sullivan's full of shit.

Posted by: Kaitian at February 03, 2010 04:07 PM (KcNBo)

123 Contract THIS, Andrew
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Posted by: Braxton-Hicks at February 03, 2010 04:07 PM (ruzrP)

124 <shakes fist at DangStraights for being quicker on the draw>

Posted by: Waterhouse at February 03, 2010 04:07 PM (RwPdb)

125 Posted by: WTFCI at February 03, 2010 04:04 PM (+zo63)

Well, hate to help Andy, but it's on Merck's web site.

But honestly who gives a fuck anyway? What's his stupid point?

Posted by: libbyt at February 03, 2010 04:07 PM (5I0Yr)

126 The hate for this woman is unreal. What a POS this guy is.

Posted by: changer1701 at February 03, 2010 04:09 PM (xktXL)

127 93
That some funny shit, vjay, coming from someone like you who sucked GW's
balls why he signed Medicare Part D.

What an idiot hypocrite.

Oh.
You knuckleheads aren't finished crying, crying knucklehead tears.



Posted by: Tumescent Republican at February 03, 2010 04:01 PM (m4Ulb)

if you were even remotely capable of posting in some sort of manner that made sense, I'd read what you had to say before I told you that you were an asshole. But, since you don't/can't, I'll just skip it, and get right to the "you are an asshole" part.
Now, fuck off and go get your shinebox, you no account little bitch.

Posted by: Unclefacts, Proprietor International House of Bacons at February 03, 2010 04:09 PM (erIg9)

128 Once these ghey guys are exposed and ridiculed for their stupidity they usually murder themselves, looking forward to a watch on YouTube andy, wear your best lipstick before you kick the chair out!

Posted by: 'Nam Grunt at February 03, 2010 04:09 PM (IIHY9)

129 So he starts by talking about someone talking about Rahm Emanuel, and then goes off on the meaning behind the name Trig.
That's quite a tangent.
(Sorry.) (No I'm not.)

Posted by: FireHorse at February 03, 2010 04:09 PM (cQyWA)

130 My beef with the whole thing is his profanity in the work place. What happened to harassment and that sort of thing? He's above it? Great show of work place manners, Rahm. Guess it's open season now for all bosses to treat employees to to the daily diatribe of expletives.

Posted by: Mrs. Compton at February 03, 2010 04:10 PM (NaJ/S)

131 I wonder if any scientific papers on AIDS-related dementia link back to Andi's blog.

Posted by: Peaches at February 03, 2010 04:10 PM (9Wv2j)

132 Gaelic is often spelled Gaylick.

Not that there's anything wrong with that.

Posted by: Michael at February 03, 2010 04:10 PM (FC2+c)

133 Nobody really expects Rahm Emanuel to resign over this, but it lays down another marker, holding the lefty PC Police to their own rulebook.

I totally confess to using the R-word in the past to describe Democrats and other cretins, which really is not fair to people like Trig who tend to be sweet and loving and who, just by not being Dem operatives, contribute about 100x as much to the betterment of humanity than wastes-of-space like former ballet dancer and Sarah Lawrence College Graduate Rahm Emanuel (just sayin'). The release of the movie "Tropic Thunder", with its popularization of the diagnostic term "full retard" just made the situation worse.

All that said, as a new father, and one who had a "Downs scare" (leading to an amnio and an all-clear) along the way, I now try very hard not to use that term when there are so many others that will do.

Posted by: Holdfast at February 03, 2010 04:10 PM (Gzb30)

134 My son is not a "poor child," and I doubt Trig Palin is either. My son
is a wonderful human being, most people who have contact with him are
better off for it.

You're a terrific dad.

But when I went into labor with my third child, I baked a
birthday cake, let it cool, then hand-decorated it for my daughter in a
very complex Barbie patternbefore heading off to the hospital--because
I knew otherwise my daughter wasn't going to get that Barbie cake she
really wanted.

And you're a terrific mommy.

Posted by: Filly at February 03, 2010 04:10 PM (FDfio)

135 Kaitian:
He'll torpedo all kinds of Republican initiatives if it contains any expansion of powers that he sees as improper; he's the type that would sacrifice a tax cut if it meant that the same bill continued funding for covert CIA programs.
He'dhold theSenate GOPers hostage by withholding his vote for pet issues; a senate version of his father: petulant and uncompromising. Those are nice for the House, but they're destructive when you're trying to garner between 50 and 60 senate votes.
Why not Grayson?

Posted by: Mippilis at February 03, 2010 04:11 PM (VWhPF)

136 isnt this whole affair predicated on the context? I figured Rahm was just stating a fact that the Democrats were "fucking retarded" meaning sex with their constituents.

Posted by: thegreatsatan at February 03, 2010 04:11 PM (MV5kD)

137 Just some stupid slang post that was made back in December 2009.


Well, if Hillary Clinton can be named after an event that happened six years after her birth, Trig can be named after a single unsourced internet posting a year and a half after his birth.

Posted by: HeatherRadish at February 03, 2010 04:12 PM (mR7mk)

138 Is it not perfectly possible that The Atlantic continues to employ this poor man in the throes of AIDS dementia as a form of mockery of gay people and AIDS victims?

Posted by: Brendan at February 03, 2010 04:12 PM (flvxA)

139 Palin really pissed those fuckers off with the styrofoam columns bit.
That must have really stung.
And the gall of carrying a Down's baby to term is apparently unforgivable.

Posted by: eleven at February 03, 2010 04:13 PM (7DB+a)

140 What, in the name ov Tyrgve Lie is that nincompoop Sullivan talking about....?
Somehow, SOMEHOW.....Sarah Palin is supposed to be too f...ing stupid to page down to the T's in a baby name book to select that name....
But, as an extra special...."lets make fun of the baby his whole life long" kind of way, she was tenacious enough to page around 45 pages deep into an arcane Google search of "ObscureSlurs That Can Be Fun To Use When Referring To Downs Syndrome Children"to scare up the name Trig...and yet, other than Sullivan's article....that obscure slure that is "often used" is still unfindable through any ordinary web search...This guy Sullivan must be the Tent Pole of the Atlantic contributors....

Posted by: steve at February 03, 2010 04:13 PM (nd0uY)

141 I have no fucking idea what it will take to dislodge the tumor of expert ignorance from Sullivan's pot-pocked brain.

I'm pretty sure the tumor is his brain. Great post, ace. If I'm ever made King for a day my first act will be to deport this waste of oxygen to Yemen.

Posted by: Captain Hate at February 03, 2010 04:13 PM (Sghlv)

142 35 I did look up the name "andrew sullivan"; its norse, for seaman sucker.
Posted by: Guy Fawkes at February 03, 2010 03:44 PM (DIYmd)
You mean "semen sucker."

Posted by: FUBAR at February 03, 2010 04:13 PM (1fanL)

143 Wow. Sully slipped the surly bonds of sanity, and punched delusion in the face with this one

Posted by: eddiebear at February 03, 2010 04:13 PM (wnU1W)

144 if Hillary Clinton can be named after an event that happened six years after her birth, Trig can be named after a single unsourced internet posting a year and a half after his birth.

OMIGOD, they stole Karl Rove's (that magnificent bastard) time machine!

Posted by: Dang Straights at February 03, 2010 04:14 PM (fx8sm)

145 Why not Grayson?
Because he doesn't live in Kentucky?

I know residency's not important when kids/spouse want a Senate seat, but it kinda is in the House.

Posted by: HeatherRadish at February 03, 2010 04:14 PM (mR7mk)

146 Let Me be clear- I am not really posting, hiding under the pseudonym "Andrew Sullivan."

Posted by: Barack Obama at February 03, 2010 04:14 PM (VmtE9)

147 Well, I just did find a site about medical slang that shows he didn't make it up out of thin air.
This comment section isn't letting me post a link, but you can find it at the first result when you google "trisomy g slang"
It's a site called SlangRN

Posted by: franticflintstone at February 03, 2010 04:15 PM (VGbp5)

148 Andy is a Gobsmacked Tallywack

Posted by: Sphynx at February 03, 2010 04:15 PM (xilNI)

149 Actually, "trisomy g" is referenced on Wikipedia for Down Syndrome

But is the supposed "often-used" abbreviation in there?

Posted by: Filly at February 03, 2010 04:15 PM (FDfio)

150 Andrew Sullivan is a Fucking Cock Sucker, and I don't mean that metaphorically.

Posted by: TexBob at February 03, 2010 04:15 PM (2jp4I)

151
Nice non-sequiter. You said it and you know you were trying to state what someone else deserves. So nice non-sequiter to you too.

she's going to be a divisive voice come 2012, not a promoter of the party. Good, we shouldn't promote the party, but the individuals of the party who have conservative values and ideas.

I don'tbegrudge her. I bet you do, but I don't want to put out any non-sequiters.

Finally, your link doesn't work.

Posted by: Guy Fawkes at February 03, 2010 04:16 PM (DIYmd)

152 Come up for some air idiots.
No one is denying that Trisomy G isn't a valid term
Andy Butt boy Sullivan is asserting that TRIG is a term that is used commonly to shorten Trisomy G.
TOTAL FICTION. SHOW ME OTHERWISE.
Andrew Sullivan is a lying butt fucking piece of shit. Simple as that.Why on earth would Sullivan make such an absurd assertion?
Because he is a BUTT FUCKING SHIT who hates Sarah Palin, because Sarah Palin is MORAL.

Posted by: gus at February 03, 2010 04:16 PM (Vqruj)

153 You think someone suffering from AIDS-related dementia would be more offended by "retard."

Posted by: FUBAR at February 03, 2010 04:16 PM (1fanL)

154 Mippilis

And? I rather have limited government. Bush was a "compassionate conservative" which isn't associated with either small government nor is it associated with fiscal conservative. I want a limited government in every respect and I to this date like everyone else think Homeland Security is fucking retarded and that was a huge expansion of government. With healthcare reform, that will dwarf everything and I oppose it no matter what. Especially if there was calls to reduce or eliminate entitlements, you can expect Paul to vote for it. So I'll take him. Again I repeat, fuck off.

Posted by: Kaitian at February 03, 2010 04:17 PM (KcNBo)

155 Erg! You little turd chaser. You been enjoying the elections in Mass?

Posted by: maddogg at February 03, 2010 04:17 PM (OlN4e)

156 Ugh. Actually, "trisomy g" is referenced on Wikipedia for Down Syndrome. The reference isn't sourced to anything

Nobody disputes that trisomy g is another term for Downs. Although Wikipedia doesn't source it, I've found plenty of substantiation from medical web sites online.

But Ace isn't disputing that established fact -- he's disputing Sullivan's assertion that "Trig" or
Tri-g" are medical slang for trisomy g. The clearly aren't, and like Ace, I've looked everywhere. All you'll find is some speculation in the comments from HuffPo, which is undoubtedly where Sullivan got the idea.

And he'll never correct this lie.

Posted by: Logician at February 03, 2010 04:17 PM (bN5ZU)

157 Because he doesn't live in Kentucky?
Uhh, the secretary of state of the state of Kentucky doesn't live in Kentucky?

Posted by: Mippilis at February 03, 2010 04:17 PM (VWhPF)

158 But honestly who gives a fuck anyway? What's his stupid point?

I don't know, but I got a lot of rope over here.

Posted by: WTFCI at February 03, 2010 04:17 PM (+zo63)

159 Excellent read. I laugh out loud when people quote this asshole...and of course those who quote are as narrow-minded as he is.

Posted by: DefendUSA at February 03, 2010 04:18 PM (N69Wd)

160 Andy gives flamboyantly gay people a bad name.

Posted by: Dr. Spank at February 03, 2010 04:18 PM (0FiCa)

161 Crusty - Actually, I think it is "Track"

FUBAR - what about during Fleet Week ?

Posted by: Holdfast at February 03, 2010 04:18 PM (Gzb30)

162 Do yourselves a favor, WIKIPEDIA "COCK SUCKER".
It's there too.

Posted by: gus at February 03, 2010 04:18 PM (Vqruj)

163 Re; Sullivan's continued psychosis when it comes to Trig and the circumstances surrounding the day of his birth - the problem is that most childless people believe the "Hollywood" version of labor. You know, the woman has one minor contraction, everyone freaks out, she is rushed to the hospital in a panic, and out pops the baby. It would actually be nice if labor was anything like this rather than the reality - which essentially consists of nervously hanging around the house all day waiting for the contractions to be intense enough and close enough together to even consider finally making your way to the hospital, where you'll spend another God knows how many hours until the baby arrives.

Posted by: Paul Zummo at February 03, 2010 04:18 PM (MVcnm)

164 Kaitian: Nice. Enjoy Senator Mongiardo down there. Hopefully he's not the secret terrorist Bunning always knew he was.

Posted by: Mippilis at February 03, 2010 04:18 PM (VWhPF)

165 Excuse me, but did Levi Johnston catch AIDS from Andrew Sullivan or from Charles Johnson, or is there no way to know?

Posted by: Adjoran at February 03, 2010 04:19 PM (S99wd)

166 @ 140 Here's my favorite parts of her speech:
"This is a man who can give an entire speech about the wars America is fighting and never use the word "victory," except when he's talking about his own campaign.
But when the cloud of rhetoric has passed, when the roar of the crowd fades away, when the stadium lights go out, and those Styrofoam Greek columns are hauled back to some studio lot...when that happens, what exactly is our opponent's plan? What does he actually seek to accomplish after he's done turning back the waters and healing the planet?
The answer -- the answer is to make government bigger, and take more of your money, and give you more orders from Washington, and to reduce the strength of America in a dangerous world.
America needs more energy; our opponent is against producing it. Victory in Iraq is finally in sight, and he wants to forfeit. Terrorist states are seeking nuclear weapons without delay; he wants to meet them without preconditions.
Al Qaida terrorists still plot to inflict catastrophic harm on America, and he's worried that someone won't read them their rights.

Posted by: TheThinMan at February 03, 2010 04:19 PM (W3XUk)

167 132
Gaelic is often spelled Gaylick.Not that there's anything wrong with that.

It's pronounced 'GAL- ick, not 'GAY-lick'.

( nothing wrong with that, either )

Posted by: SantaRosaStan at February 03, 2010 04:19 PM (JrRME)

168 Oh. Wrong Grayson. Carry on.

Posted by: HeatherRadish at February 03, 2010 04:19 PM (mR7mk)

169 149 Sarah's older son's name is Track. It's Bristol's son who is named Tripp.

Posted by: Peaches at February 03, 2010 04:19 PM (9Wv2j)

170 And another thing:

If-- IF-- she really did this, why is he just writing about it now? Convenient timing, no? You just know he gloms onto anything and everything anti-Palin, and I find it difficult to believe that he just now discovered this.

Posted by: Filly at February 03, 2010 04:19 PM (FDfio)

171 This is a partial list of the original writers for the Atlantic magazine:

Henry Wadsworth Longfellow, Harriet Beecher Stowe, Ralph Emerson and Oliver Wendell Holmes.

Fast forward 150 yrs and The Atlantic is represented by Andrew Sullivan.

Posted by: fozzy at February 03, 2010 04:20 PM (ccEuN)

172 So is this the beginning of another "attack and denigrate Sarah Palin" campaign? I knew it was coming. When clusterstock posts her facebook comments on their blog that means too many people see it, WS people, and others, not just conservatives on blogs. So that would be alarming to "them".
Just had to really search for that article and this morning it was right there, no problem. You have to know you are looking for it. This is about the third thing I pointed out today that gets buried.

Posted by: curious at February 03, 2010 04:20 PM (p302b)

173 I support breastfeeding wholeheartedly.

Posted by: lalecheleague at February 03, 2010 04:20 PM (nGR17)

174 Who the fuck is Mongiardo? Oh right I'm from Washington State where we have three fucking retards which I'm pretty sure they have some strain of Down's Syndrome. Want to know who they are?

Their names are:
Maria Cantwell
Patty Murray
Cristine Gregoire

Posted by: Kaitian at February 03, 2010 04:20 PM (KcNBo)

175 I did not give Levi JohnstonAIDS - he gave it to me, via Andrew Sullivan.

Not that there's anything wrong with that....

Posted by: Charles Johnson at February 03, 2010 04:22 PM (VmtE9)

176 charles johnson is cheating on his wife perez with kos now, what a disgusting crew those assholes are! I hope they all die a painful death from aids.

Posted by: 'Nam Grunt at February 03, 2010 04:22 PM (IIHY9)

177 "hompohobic" I like that. So Andy is teh hompo, then.

Posted by: blooch at February 03, 2010 04:22 PM (QjSgY)

178 Kaitian: So you know nothing about Kentucky, but you know all about having idiotic senators? Grayson has a far more comfortable lead over Dem opponents, far more name recognition and established record, and isn't prone to succumbing to Paultardism.
Mongiardo is the Dem candidate who ran in 2004, and almost beat Bunning, the outgoing Senator. He'll beat Paul, because any Paul is just a Paultard waiting to be discovered.

Posted by: Mippilis at February 03, 2010 04:23 PM (VWhPF)

179 Oh, snap! Politico is reporting, and Drudge is linking to it, that the Special Olympics does NOT accept the tiny dancer's apology. Tee hee

Posted by: Peaches at February 03, 2010 04:24 PM (9Wv2j)

180 Again, if you google "trisomy g slang" (these comments don't seem to allow me to post links) the first result is a site called SlangRN.
The entry for "tri 21" says:
Definition:
Shorthand for Trisomy 21 or Down Syndrome- a chromosomal disorder caused by the presence of all or part of an extra 21st chromosome.
Usage:
The newborn exhibits tell tale signs of tri-21.
Synonyms:
trisomy 21, trisomy g, tri-g
Created Dec 10, 2009

Posted by: franticflintstone at February 03, 2010 04:24 PM (VGbp5)

181 The medical term for Down Syndrome is Trisomy-21 or Trisomy-g. It is often shortened in medical slang to Tri-g.
He. Managed. To. Get. More. Insane. I've got to give him that, I didn't think he could. It's spectacular in a terrible way.

God, I feel sorry for his dogs. Seriously, I hope someone is checking to see that they're getting fed and given water and taken for walks.


Posted by: alexthechick at February 03, 2010 04:24 PM (8WZWv)

182 I don't understand how sucking dick makes you an expert on vaginas.

Posted by: Dr. Spank at February 03, 2010 04:24 PM (0FiCa)

183 Palin is an idiot for endorsing a Paultard. She's fine on a lot of stuff, but this should make people question her grasp on how politics works outside of Alaska.

Posted by: Mippilis at February 03, 2010 04:25 PM (VWhPF)

184 Andi's brain is mush. How can he accuse Trig of getting "reared" by someone with a straight face?

But did you notice how he did that? You see, he said Trig is being "reared" by Bristol, not that she gave birth to him. Clever. As if Palin can't find a professional to watch Trig in the hotel room while she's giving a speech or whatever, she has to rip her daughter (who also has an infant) away from home to "rear" her child as well.

But he didn't technically say Bristol gave birth to Trig. Got that Atlantic? He's just following your rules.

Posted by: runninrebel at February 03, 2010 04:26 PM (i3PJU)

185 Great for you. Again I repeat, I'll take any R over any Democrat who can win. You were first worried about a Paul being elected to the seat despite the fact he carries an R and is a threat to any government expansionism. Now you're saying Paul won't be elected because the Democrats has a comfortable lead over Paul? Changing the goal post much?

Posted by: Kaitian at February 03, 2010 04:26 PM (KcNBo)

186 WOW. Ace has really rediscovered his inner rant-bastard. And that's good.

Unless you happen to be his target. Sullivan's not going to be able to sit down for a while . . . whoops!

The only problem with this is that it's still not as nasty as Milky Loads deserves.

And yes, by 2012, it will become commonly accepted knowledge that "tri-g" is of course a common abbreviation for Down's syndrome. Just like it became commonly accepted knowledge that of course the tea partiers gave themselves the name "teabaggers".

Posted by: tsj017 at February 03, 2010 04:26 PM (4YUWF)

187 Many people use the termSullivan as a metaphor for men having sex with each other.
Many people.

Posted by: gus at February 03, 2010 04:26 PM (Vqruj)

188 Of course, the SlangRN entry was added just this past December, and apparently can be added by anyone. So it doesn't mean it's actually used in hospitals.

Posted by: franticflintstone at February 03, 2010 04:27 PM (VGbp5)

189 BWWWAAAHHHHHH!!! Thankfully my boss is at lunch, so my cackling is not being questioned.

Posted by: bebe's boobs destroy at February 03, 2010 04:27 PM (cniXs)

190 My sister of 32 years has Down's and I've never heard of it referred to as "Tri-g". Not once.

Posted by: tachyonshuggy at February 03, 2010 04:27 PM (yUybe)

191 OT, kinda, but does anyone else get the feeling that Allah has taken permanent leave from HA?

Posted by: Peaches at February 03, 2010 04:28 PM (9Wv2j)

192 168
make the government bigger, and take more of your money, and give you more orders from Washington, and to reduce the strength of America in a dangerous world.
America needs more energy; our opponent is against producing it. Victory in Iraq is finally in sight, and he wants to forfeit. Terrorist states are seeking nuclear weapons without delay; he wants to meet them without preconditions.
Al Qaida terrorists still plot to inflict catastrophic harm on America, and he's worried that someone won't read them their rights.
Posted by: TheThinMan at February 03, 2010 04:19 PM (W3XUk)

Man,every single thing she said in that speech has come to pass. So much for all the idiots who are now saying 'I never would've seen this coming!'

Posted by: Average Jen at February 03, 2010 04:28 PM (fRnux)

193 184
I don't understand how sucking dick makes you an expert on vaginas.


Posted by: Dr. Spank at February 03, 2010 04:24 PM (0FiCa)
One is a hole you stick a penis in. The other is a vagina.

Posted by: A Balrog of Morgoth at February 03, 2010 04:28 PM (wgLRl)

194 181
Oh, snap! Politico is reporting, and Drudge is linking to it, that the Special Olympics does NOT accept the tiny dancer's apology. Tee hee


Posted by: Peaches

They are pissed that the retarded were compared to Democrats.

Posted by: kansas at February 03, 2010 04:28 PM (mka2b)

195 My mother spent 32 years working in elementary special education and I have never heard that "slang" term in my life.

Posted by: Techie at February 03, 2010 04:29 PM (wVPwI)

196 193
OT, kinda, but does anyone else get the feeling that Allah has taken
permanent leave from HA?


Posted by: Peaches at February 03, 2010 04:28 PM (9Wv2j)
I don't know, but the break from the constant Devil's Advocate-type posts is sort of nice.

Posted by: A Balrog of Morgoth at February 03, 2010 04:29 PM (wgLRl)

197 Just to help point out Teh Stoopid:

I am an anesthetist, and spent 15 years before that as a pediatric nurse, 9/10 of that critical care and cardiac critical care. Down's children tend to have lots of medical difficulties, one of the more common of which is heart defects. So, to say I've had my fair share of patients with Down's syndrome in the past 15 years would be an understatement.

And I have never once, not ever, heard this Tri-G shit that MilkyLoads Sullivan is spewing. He is.. what's that phrase? Full of shit. With one end dented in.
I'd like to slap that bitch so hard the purse falls off his shoulder.

Posted by: baboy at February 03, 2010 04:30 PM (CSNV7)

198 Reading Sullivan's prose always makes me deeply angry.

This guy's location is known, right? He has an address; hell, he's probably in the phone book.

So here's what I suggest: we go visit him. All of us. Everyone in America who admires Sarah Palin. All at once. And shout at him, together.

He will die of fear.

Posted by: Trimegistus at February 03, 2010 04:30 PM (OW3Eh)

199 "184 I don't understand how sucking dick makes you an expert on vaginas."

Maybe he declared himself an expert on vaginas after his many experiences with servicing gloryholes.

Posted by: Kaitian at February 03, 2010 04:31 PM (KcNBo)

200 Kaitian: I'm saying/have said: a) Rand Paul is driven by self-interest first, which will not be of help to the GOP as a senator, b) he has a marginal lead over prospective opponents, whereas Grayson (R, SecState KY) has a comfortable lead and better name recognition and is equally conservative without the crazy, and c) Paul is not really an (R), and Grayson is the better conservative candidate to represent the party in the Senate.
If Paul is the (R) nominee, the KY senate election will become about how crazy the Pauls are and will drive the election to Mongiardo, or whoever wins the Dem primary.
Palin's endorsement of Paul reflects an inability to assess races with any long-term perspective.

Posted by: Mippilis at February 03, 2010 04:31 PM (VWhPF)

201 I don't know, but the break from the constant Devil's Advocate-type posts is sort of nice.

Well, yeah, I'm not complaining. He's gotten very controlling lately. I just find it odd that they roll out half a dozen new front page bloggers and he hasn't posted anything since the weekend.

Posted by: Peaches at February 03, 2010 04:33 PM (9Wv2j)

202 Pfft. I still don't know who Andrew Sullivan is. I'll bet 100% of my friends don't either (except for my most liberal friends, but even then, I dunno). The only reason I've heard of this nutcase is through this site, and ya know, I'm pretty sure what I read here is about all I need to know (and that's probably too much as it is).

Posted by: Adlib at February 03, 2010 04:33 PM (k/CNO)

203 193 OT, kinda, but does anyone else get the feeling that Allah has taken permanent leave from HA?
One can dream.

Posted by: the Law at February 03, 2010 04:34 PM (nGR17)

204 Posted by: Kaitian at February 03, 2010 04:31 PM (KcNBo)
Glad YOU said that. I don't want to have to explain what a "gloryhole" is.

Posted by: maddogg at February 03, 2010 04:34 PM (OlN4e)

205 202 Mippilis,

Sarah is just dandy so stop beating her to death, I personally don't give a damn what you think about her, who the fuck are you anyway......nobody!

Posted by: 'Nam Grunt at February 03, 2010 04:35 PM (IIHY9)

206 I typed in "trisomy-g" "tri-g" to see if anything would come up when the two were put together for a google search and got mostly lefty blogs talking about it, and a few righty ones, too.

There's also something called tri-g website design.

http://www.tri-g-web.com/

They might want to change that name, now that Sullivan has exposed the true meaning of the term.




Posted by: Nice Deb at February 03, 2010 04:36 PM (AP4SG)

207 The only fucking retard is Andrew Sullivan.

Posted by: Joe at February 03, 2010 04:36 PM (P/q7X)

208 Andi Ventura- Cooter Detective.

Posted by: dibutler,perpetuallypissed at February 03, 2010 04:37 PM (S3xX1)

209


Wahm is WEE-todd-did

Posted by: s'moron at February 03, 2010 04:37 PM (p1s9n)

210 Based on my experience as the brother of a down syndrome sister I will bet that Trig, at age 30, will have a better grasp of reality thatSullivan does today.

Posted by: Jeff at February 03, 2010 04:38 PM (FDdKZ)

211 You "trig" a wheel so it doesn't roll....and "Trig" was the shorthand for "Trigonometry" when I was formally edumakated...But I can honestly say I've never heard of a Downs Syndrome child (or any mentally retarded child, for that matter) ever referred to as "Trig".

Andrew just keeps on making up shit and wrapping himself in it for us all to enjoy on a regular basis. I doubt strongly the man(?) would ever step up to Sarah Palin - face to face - and remain standing long!

His mouth keeps writing checks that his ass can't cash!

Posted by: Dell at February 03, 2010 04:39 PM (o0L0L)

212 Isn't there a disease that people like Sullivan can get that affect their thinking before they know they have it?

Posted by: kansas at February 03, 2010 04:39 PM (mka2b)

213 206 Glad YOU said that. I don't want to have to explain what a "gloryhole" is.

No problem!

Posted by: Kaitian at February 03, 2010 04:40 PM (KcNBo)

214 212 Based on my experience as the brother of a down syndrome sister I will bet that Trig, at age 30, will have a better grasp of reality that Sullivan does today.

Sullivan will be 6 feet under by the time Trig hits 30 anyways.

Posted by: Kaitian at February 03, 2010 04:41 PM (KcNBo)

215 She has learned how to play the game. She has the white house on the defensive. She has no use for political correctness but she does have a use for basic common decency towards other human beings. Ask anyone who works with special needs children if they think it is a big deal to call them retarded. IT IS.

Posted by: Dan at February 03, 2010 04:41 PM (KZraB)

216 It is pretty widely known among proctologists that A N-Dru is the clinical term for pokin around in sphincters, however.

Posted by: Gort at February 03, 2010 04:42 PM (Vui52)

217 Wow! Ding, ding, ding on the donation button. That was worth $10 in donations to the hobo hunting cause. Obama would have taken it anyway.

Posted by: dfbaskwill at February 03, 2010 04:43 PM (usjNq)

218 169 It's pronounced 'GAL- ick, not 'GAY-lick'.
I took a couple semesters of Gaeilge(Gaelic). It is "gay lick".

Posted by: bebe's boobs destroy at February 03, 2010 04:43 PM (cniXs)

219 I've always thought it was amusing the reasons the MSM came up for Sarah to have pictures taken with Trig.
Not hard to understand, since Liberals would never actually be PROUD of a child like him.
We love you Sarah.

Posted by: derek at February 03, 2010 04:46 PM (QvLS6)

220 I have come up with a medical condition that I will recommend to Dr. Andrew Sullivan, Amniotic Expert, OB/GYN, Vagina Researcher, PhD. Dr. Sullivan has a mental condition exclusively only for him called "Gloryholatis". It comes from his severe addition of servicing over 1,000 gloryholes while writing for "The Atlantic". I recommend that he be committed to a mental hospital in order to get the very best possible care in order to treat his condition... in a nice padded room.

Posted by: Kaitian at February 03, 2010 04:46 PM (KcNBo)

221 Corn nuts stapled to the hog. A San Francisco treat.

Posted by: Birdbath at February 03, 2010 04:46 PM (/DOcw)

222 That may have been the best rant I've ever read here.

Posted by: Taqiyyotomist at February 03, 2010 04:47 PM (ltfED)

223 225,

AMEN!

Posted by: 'Nam Grunt at February 03, 2010 04:47 PM (IIHY9)

224 Going on record as a card carrying faggot, that "favorite beverage" line is the funniest thing I've heard all week .

Posted by: Elphkun at February 03, 2010 04:48 PM (CwEyW)

225 169 It's pronounced 'GAL- ick, not 'GAY-lick'.
I took a couple semesters of Gaeilge(Gaelic). It is "gay lick".

Not in Ireland

Posted by: SantaRosaStan at February 03, 2010 04:49 PM (JrRME)

226 I believe an Anal Dick Insertion is called an Andi.

Posted by: Dr. Spank at February 03, 2010 04:51 PM (0FiCa)

227 ...to withstand the potent temptation to staple corn-nuts to my hog.
That would be soooo cool. I can almost see the Corn Nuts bike now.

Posted by: Mikie at February 03, 2010 04:53 PM (3K4hn)

228 Andrew needs to get that grain of sand out of his vagina....er anus.

Posted by: jukin at February 03, 2010 04:53 PM (vkkNZ)

229 That's fucking fabulous.

Posted by: Russ at February 03, 2010 04:53 PM (hF4Jc)

230 I typed in "trisomy-g" "tri-g" to see if anything would come up when the two were put together for a google search and got mostly lefty blogs talking about it, and a few righty ones, too. There's also something called tri-g website design.
Upthread I already located a medical slang web site that lists "tri-g". The site is called SlangRN, which is a web site about medical slang.
The entry is for "tri 21".
Definition:
Shorthand for Trisomy 21 or Down Syndrome- a chromosomal disorder caused by the presence of all or part of an extra 21st chromosome.
Usage:
The newborn exhibits tell tale signs of tri-21.
Synonyms:
trisomy 21, trisomy g, tri-g
The entry was created in December, 2009. Apparently anyone can post entries to the site. So, it doesn't mean it is a widely-used or a used-at-all slang term in hospitals. But, there ya go.

Posted by: franticflintstone at February 03, 2010 04:54 PM (VGbp5)

231 Excellent dismantling of this dispicable POS.

Posted by: Shannon at February 03, 2010 04:54 PM (dvy7O)

232 "...to withstand the potent temptation to staple corn-nuts to my hog." - Ace -

Damn it! You owe me another keyboard and monitor, Ace! You should show us mortals some consideration and WARN us when you're gonna fire off a large-caliber funny...

Posted by: Steamboat McGoo at February 03, 2010 04:55 PM (/cH23)

233 I continue to be baffled at how one of the gayest men on the planet --
ranking like a 7.3 on the Kinsley scale of 6 -- propounds weekly on
arcane-only-to-him topics of childbirth, motherhood, and the Mysteries
of Forbidden Vagina.

Professor Alfred Kinsey quantified a bunch of stuff about sex. Michael Kinsley founded Slate.

--
Your friendly neighborhood nit-picker.

Posted by: Al from NJ at February 03, 2010 04:55 PM (Um+VK)

234 OK, I give up: why IS "retarded" offensive, deeply hurtfull, yaddi yaddi yadda?

Retarded means impaired, not up to full speed due to reasons that might be called "challenges."

Just because some morons used the term "mentally retarded" as an insult doesn't suddenly make a legitimate word immoral to use. To believe that is truly mentally challenged.

Posted by: CoolCzech at February 03, 2010 04:59 PM (QECjC)

235 Of course, the SlangRN entry was added just this past December, and apparently can be added by anyone. So it doesn't mean it's actually used in hospitals.

Plus, it was added just TWO days after someone first made the claim that "TRI-G is indeed medical slang for Down Syndrome" on HuffPo:

http://tinyurl.com/yhtrjen

Furthermore, SlangRN appears to be a HUMOR site chock full of entries like "Avatar Blues," defined as "The depression experienced by a select few people after having viewed James Cameron's 2009 box office hit movie 'Avatar" -- see here:

http://slangrn.com/definition/avatar-blues

Posted by: Logician at February 03, 2010 05:00 PM (bN5ZU)

236 It would be interesting to find out if the "tri 21" entry on the SlangRN medical slang web site - which lists "tri-g" as a synonym - was planted there by a Trig Truther or is actually a widely used slang term in hospitals. The entry was suspiciously posted two months ago on the SlangRN site. Perhaps someone planted that there and then emailed Sullivan with the theory.

Posted by: franticflintstone at February 03, 2010 05:01 PM (VGbp5)

237 It's as credible as the idea that she gave a speech while having contractions, several hours after going into labor, as she claims in her novel.
Really? Really?
My wife and I caught dinner and a movie while she was having contractions.

Posted by: Warden at February 03, 2010 05:02 PM (QoR4a)

238 Plus, it was added just TWO days after someone first made the claim that "TRI-G is indeed medical slang for Down Syndrome" on HuffPo
Good find! Yeah, I don't believe it's a widely-used slang term either.

Posted by: franticflintstone at February 03, 2010 05:03 PM (VGbp5)

239 Just as a point of reference, I know a Cantor who's water broke in the middle of Yom Kippur services. She finished the morning service, which lasted for an additional hour+, and then drove herself to the hospital. No, it's not the same as flying from Texas to Alaska (I'll admit to thinking that's a little extreme myself, but that's just my opinion), but shit like this does happen. Expectant mothers do know how to manage themselves in extreme situations, if warranted.

Sully's off his nut. And that quote from Treacher about Sullivan's favorite drink was priceless. That's truly demented, in the best of ways!

Posted by: NukemHill at February 03, 2010 05:03 PM (NgPNd)

240 288 Not in Ireland
Not according to my gaeltacht reared, native speaking professor.

Posted by: bebe's boobs destroy at February 03, 2010 05:05 PM (cniXs)

241 I hate even hearing about that bloviating bloba but that was an AWESOME RANT. Thanks Ace!

Posted by: DaMav at February 03, 2010 05:05 PM (QNU76)

242 Ace,
You have such a way with words, 'play it like a symphony'.

Posted by: always right at February 03, 2010 05:09 PM (HmCnI)

243 It's pronounced 'GAL- ick, not 'GAY-lick'.

I once saw a protective cup advertised as antifungal. Anti-fun-gal is right. No way she's getting to the jewels when you have that thing on.

Posted by: Michael at February 03, 2010 05:13 PM (FC2+c)

244 it's a good thing that girl removed her twitters

Posted by: curious at February 03, 2010 05:13 PM (p302b)

245 Looks like Sully is bucking for Olby's job.

Posted by: rdbrewer at February 03, 2010 05:16 PM (4Rp5g)

246 Ace, very nice rant.

Posted by: Dr. Spank at February 03, 2010 05:17 PM (0FiCa)

247 16 I could go the rest of my life without hearing the name Levi Johnson. Or Andi Sullivan, for that matter.
Posted by: Jane D'oh! at February 03, 2010 03:39 PM (UOM4
Or John Edwards.

Posted by: always right at February 03, 2010 05:20 PM (HmCnI)

248 243
288 Not in Ireland
Not according to my gaeltacht reared, native speaking professor.

It depends on where you is or was in Ireland: which dialect

It's the old 'doil / dawl' debate. It seems the new preferred Anglicized, Trinity College-approved pronunciation is as you say.

Posted by: SantaRosaStan at February 03, 2010 05:21 PM (JrRME)

249 Well done, Ace. One of your better ones.

""Someone needs to explain to Andrew Sullivan that his favorite beverage is sometimes used to make babies.""

Bwahahahahaha!

Posted by: Mystery Meat at February 03, 2010 05:27 PM (9AJat)

250 Wasn't the first Secretary-General of the UN named <i>Trygvie Lie?</i>

Posted by: Francis W. Porretto at February 03, 2010 05:27 PM (GY/ii)

251 A comment has been added to that SlangRN entry so that anyone who attempts to rely on it for the proposition that "Tri-g" is slang for Trisomy G will realize that it was a slur planted by a HuffPo reader and perpetuated by Sullivan.

Posted by: Logician at February 03, 2010 05:28 PM (bN5ZU)

252 Well, here is a reliable source listing it as an alternative name

http://tiny.cc/wpn44. I've never used or seen used this alternative name for Trisomy 21. "Tri-g" searches do not reveal it as a common abbreviation for the same.

Posted by: SarahW at February 03, 2010 05:29 PM (CSrvi)

253 Excellent spout, Ace. From here on out, I'm not going to use the word 'retarded', I'm going to use the word 'Rahm'. I will no longer say, 'that's so gay'. I will now say 'That's so Andy'.

Posted by: anginak at February 03, 2010 05:30 PM (KEF6Y)

254 "Someone needs to explain to Andrew Sullivan that his favorite beverage
is sometimes used to make babies."

Great line!

Posted by: Corona at February 03, 2010 05:31 PM (woZIc)

255 T.rust
R.eagan's
I.lluminati
G.overnment

HOLY SHIT SHIT HOLY SHIT

SOMEONE TELL Dr Sullivan!

Posted by: Mr Hat at February 03, 2010 05:33 PM (dUOK+)

256 Aids dementia, steroid dementia, and chronic. The boy's pretty much on a Paranoia Binge.

Posted by: nickless at February 03, 2010 05:35 PM (MMC8r)

257 185
Palin is an idiot for endorsing a Paultard. She's fine on a lot of
stuff, but this should make people question her grasp on how politics
works outside of Alaska.

Posted by: Mippilis at February 03, 2010 04:25 PM

Please Do Not Feed the Concern Troll

Posted by: kbdabear at February 03, 2010 05:39 PM (sYxEE)

258 55
Well, here is a reliable source listing it as an alternative name





http://tiny.cc/wpn44 is an attack site.


Posted by: TheBigOldDog at February 03, 2010 05:46 PM (LPaj6)

259 fwiw - and it's probably not much -

I sent an email to The Atlantic's Bob Cohn - per the masthead, he's TheAtlantic.com honcho - asking him whether or not it's okay for his bloggers to just make up facts to support their obsessions.

I'm not questioning Andrew's right to post his opinions - I framed it as a "Check with Andrew regarding his claim about "Tri-G" being often used medical slang, if Andrew can support that claim, fine. If not, please have him say as much on your - Bob Cohn's - website.

-

It's astromonically unlikely that will do anything. But, hell. it's worth a shot.

Posted by: BumperStickerist at February 03, 2010 05:47 PM (ruzrP)

260 Well, here is a reliable source listing it as an alternative name

Again, NOBODY DISPUTES that "Trisomy G" is an alternative name for Trisomy 21. The ONLY issue is whether "Trig" or "Tri-g" have ever been used as slang terms for Trisomy G. It is very clear that they have NOT.

Posted by: Logician at February 03, 2010 05:48 PM (bN5ZU)

261 Shut him down Ace!

Posted by: Red at February 03, 2010 05:50 PM (5zRvt)

262
239
It would be interesting to find out if the "tri 21" entry on the SlangRN
medical slang web site - which lists "tri-g" as a synonym - was planted
there by a Trig Truther or is actually a widely used slang term in
hospitals. The entry was suspiciously posted two months ago on the
SlangRN site. Perhaps someone planted that there and then emailed
Sullivan with the theory.

Posted by: franticflintstone at February 03, 2010 05:01 PM (VGbp5)
I will bet you a buck that Andi planted it himself

Posted by: sean at February 03, 2010 05:56 PM (sHxOn)

263 As the mother of a child with Down syndrome AND the New Parent Packet Coordinator for our local DS group for the past 6 years, I can say with absolute certainty that the term "Tri-G" is not used by either the National DS Society OR the National DS Congress in ANY of their literature to refer to Down syndrome/Trisomy 21.
Yes, my daughter is mentally retarded - she has an extra chromosome. What's Rahm's excuse (cuz it takes one to know one....)?

Posted by: Teresa in Fort Worth, TX at February 03, 2010 06:00 PM (5/bS4)

264 It's astromonically unlikely that will do anything. But, hell. it's worth a shot.
If any of you happens to be an actual sibscriber, they do seem to take subscriber's complaints seriously.
I used to sibscribe to the magazine, and when Sullivan was first going off the rails with his Trig Trutherism, I called the magazine. They put subscribers right through to someone on the phone. And they seemed to be concerned with my complaint. Now, sure, maybe they were blowing smoke up my ass, but at least the nice woman on the phone seemed to totally agree with me. I gently told her that I like the magazine but don't need to subscribe to it, and that I don't want to give money to a magazine that is attacking someone's baby is such sick fashion. I told them I'd cancel if the bizarre atacks on Palin's cildren continue, because there is no way that can be justified as good journalism.
And, well, they did seem to try and get Sullivan to chill out, but they failed. So, obviously, I had to cancel. Too bad, because it'sa pretty goodmagazine overall.
But, yeah, if you are still a subscriber, they put you right through to someone when you have a complaint.

Posted by: franticflintstone at February 03, 2010 06:04 PM (VGbp5)

265 This fucking enraged me. What a fucking disgusting douche Sullivan is.

Posted by: iolanach at February 03, 2010 06:06 PM (DYSAB)

266 "Event Horizon of Stupid"
I give this snark a solid A+.

Posted by: reason at February 03, 2010 06:07 PM (V40IZ)

267 Outstanding! And you can bet that there are lefties who will pretend now that everyone knows "Tri-G" is a commonly used abbreviation, just as "Maccaca" is a commonly used racial slur.

For what it's worth, I can believe that Sarah Palin once privately referred to Trig as her "retard baby" in that way that most people might occasionally indulge in gallows humor amongst their most intimate acquaintances. I also believe that if this happened, that it was accompanied by the kisses and hugs of a loving mother's most fervent devotions.

Posted by: Kensington at February 03, 2010 06:20 PM (Cdz8I)

268 The medical term for Down Syndrome is Trisomy-21 or Trisomy-g. It is often shortened in medical slang to Tri-g.

How soon before Obama uses this reference in a speech?

Posted by: Meeso Harney at February 03, 2010 06:38 PM (lD4DZ)

269 251 It depends on where you is or was in Ireland: which dialect
yeah true. donegal vs corkfor instance.

Posted by: bebe's boobs destroy at February 03, 2010 06:47 PM (cniXs)

270 212 Based on my experience as the brother of a down syndrome sister I will bet that Trig, at age 30, will have a better grasp of reality that Sullivan does today.

Trig has a better grasp of reality than that fucktard Sullivan now.

Posted by: dorkafork at February 03, 2010 06:51 PM (o8YQi)

271 Andi the Obsessive-Demented: "It is often shortened in medical slang to Tri-g."

Well then. That settles it. It's just so obvious.

BTW, you can't have AnDrew SullIvan without AIDS. It's science.

Thank heaven that the only thing AnDrew SullIvan will ever birth is mockable imbecility.

Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at February 03, 2010 06:53 PM (hF8Tn)

272 Andrewhas GoingDown Syndrome

Posted by: West Village Glory Hole at February 03, 2010 07:05 PM (2IsON)

273 I continue to be baffled at how one of the gayest men on the planet -- ranking like a 7.3 on the Kinsley scale of 6 -- propounds weekly on arcane-only-to-him topics of childbirth, motherhood, and the Mysteries of Forbidden Vagina.
Yeah it was funny watchingasshole Andi on the Chris MatthewsShow(*) tearing into birthers.It's hilarious listening to him complain about those crazy people who want to see Barack's birth certificate.

* Not Hardball but the one on Sunday which in my areais on NBC right after Meet The Press

Posted by: ADK46er at February 03, 2010 07:21 PM (pRvXg)

274 As a parent with a Down Syndrome 10 yr old daughter I have a couple some points:

1) I really don't get worked up over the "R" word, but that's for individuals to ponder to their own tolerance. I personally don't use the word.

2) what does get me is Emanuel's use of the word preceding "retard" ... FUCKING retarded. You see, to me at least, that meant he DID use the word as a curse word (retarded). The word retarded in and of itself is a clinical term that has morphed from a description of a lack in mental capabilities to anyone another person just can't, himself, mentally deal with. For Rahm to put 'fucking' before the word dragged the term down to the level of completely useless and unworthy. (if any of that makes sense as I try to put it into words)

3) Emanuel is a fucking coward. I have YET to see HIM come before the cameras and apologize for the idiocy (hey, guess what? I understand this remark came during some non-public meeting or somesuch. Poor Rahm's been Trent Lotted, eh?) Anyhow, the closest but no cigar moment I saw was some flunky of Bobby Gibbs's issuing the apology on his behalf. That dog won't hunt, shitheels.

4) The fact that the Kennedy clone of the Special Olympics accepted (although I'm to understand he is now not accepting) Rahm's apology if bullshit. My kid isn't a member of the Special Olympics. MOST special needs kids and adults aren't. Get your fucking Chicago ballerina weasel ass out before the cameras and apologize or just admit you meant the insult completely. Man-up, Rahm, you evil dick-hole.

5) Sullivan can suck sewage

Posted by: Drillanwr at February 03, 2010 07:31 PM (1kwr2)

275 "Retarded" isn't an insult when it is used to describe retarded people, while "retard" is.

I worked with developmentally delayed people (that's what you're supposed to call them now) for fifteen years and "retarded" is simply a clinical classification of their mental abilities.

Currently, the word "retarded" isn't used much since some see it as insulting, as I stated above, the current term is "developmentally delayed" (previously it was "mentally handicapped," "developmentally disabled" and a host of other things, each of which becomes insulting to the people who work with retarded people and are ashamed of them for being retarded).

The kicker is that the word "retarded" means pretty much the exact same thing as "delayed." So, once again we're calling them "retarded," we're just using a different word for it.

Posted by: 29Victor at February 03, 2010 07:32 PM (HaMuw)

276 @89 Posted by: Average Jen at February 03, 2010 04:00
I started labor with my third child while my husband and I were partying with friends on the 4th of July. My husband," Let me know when we need to go." Me," Yep."
Ace is right. Sullivan doesn't know the first thing aboutfemales or reproduction....., and all of womenkind says" Thank you, God!"

Posted by: Mikki at February 03, 2010 07:41 PM (unFDC)

277 I really do hope that Andi keeps writing dumb shit so that Ace can continue to pwn him.

Posted by: CattusMagnus at February 03, 2010 07:45 PM (1RgQ+)

278 38-fuc k off, Steve Schmidt.

Posted by: Moe Syzlak at February 03, 2010 08:08 PM (Vc/xe)

279 38, 97--confirmed; this pile of shit is a RINO troll.

Posted by: Moe Syzlak at February 03, 2010 08:13 PM (Vc/xe)

280 Ace: I'm haven't even bothered to read this post beyond the corn-nuts partyet, and I already salute you. Hope the rest lives up the "lede."

Posted by: societyis2blame at February 03, 2010 08:17 PM (rPDD/)

281 Andrew Sullivan, my "retard" daughter thinks you're a fag. There how does that feel?

Posted by: PlymouthMom at February 03, 2010 08:21 PM (O/5X6)

282 At least Trig has a birth certificate.

Posted by: 5th Level Fighter at February 03, 2010 08:25 PM (SgL5z)

283 Ace, please stop paying attention to Andrew. He's acting up because he wants the attention. Ignore him and he'll go away.

You can't possibly find him more repulsive than I do. Stop enabling him.


Posted by: MarkD at February 03, 2010 09:00 PM (nur8S)

284 "29
Are andy and charles fuckhead really joined together humping with charles wife perez guiding them?"

There is no connection between them. Andy may be suffering from ARD and chucky...
Well unfortunately he is suffering from Mad Cow Disease. You see one nice day a few years ago, he was bicycling down a country road and there was this really cute heifer that caught his eye and he caught hers. Well one thing led to another and soon things were consummated so to speak. After all that physical activity from bicycling and stuff, chucky was feeling a might peckish, so he ate the cow.

You morons didn't think you could get MCD from sex did you? No, you have to eat the cow afterward.

Posted by: snookered at February 03, 2010 09:15 PM (7Vg6Y)

285 Slightly off-topic, but i went to daily dish to look for other inanities. Scroll to "face of the day" , wherein Sullivan credulously posts a picture of a pakistani Sufi smoking a "cannibis cigarette". a casual glance shows the cigarette is filtered.... are pakistanis so health conscious they filter their joints??
On to AFP/Getty , enter sufi in search engine and presto, two Pix with identical captions... 1 with the filter ciggy smoker, another with a handrolled joint ( a third picture shows someone loading a joint).
How stupid is sullivan that he doesn't notice this before posting, and how lazy is AFP/Getty that they conserve captions by putting them under two totally different subjects??
Not sure whether its more a knock on Dr. Sulliavn or the media, but i feel better having vented my spleen.

Posted by: scottdl at February 03, 2010 09:26 PM (hZyeK)

286 My keyboard thanked me profusely for the fact that I was NOT drinking any liquid of any sort when I read Ace's post....

Posted by: Kathy from Kansas at February 03, 2010 09:39 PM (orMqj)

287 Ace, marry me. Sullivan, go to hell. That is all.

Posted by: not the droid you seek at February 03, 2010 09:46 PM (gnSx/)

288 I have built a wall to protect Sarah in my mind from
these rope suckers on the left moonbat side, so no worries many of us
will protect her until she is sworn in as the 45th President of the
United States!


Posted by: 'Nam Grunt at February 03, 2010 04:03 PM (IIHY9)
GOD BLESS 'NAM GRUNT.

Posted by: Kathy from Kansas at February 03, 2010 09:54 PM (orMqj)

289 Is erg still around? I wanted to ask him 'What is the best way to manage my telecom expenses and get control over my telecom environment'? Or maybe 'How can I be sure that the providers and solutions you recommend will not present service nightmares?'These are things I'd really like to know.

Posted by: Rob Jakoby at February 03, 2010 09:57 PM (pHWZm)

290 But Sullivan himself shrieks like little girl who just watched her pony get raped by the road crew for GWAR
What...you think Oderus would let the roadies have all the fun?!

Posted by: Shifty1 at February 03, 2010 09:58 PM (PeZoU)

291 Ok, akkkkk. The beverage quote form Treacher just made me laugh and gag all at once, which is actually quite difficult. Oh how I adore Treacher.

Posted by: Sarah at February 03, 2010 09:58 PM (PnTgK)

292 If ever a man deserved to be called a "c*nt", it's Excitable Andi.

Posted by: Sharkman at February 03, 2010 10:17 PM (Zj8fM)

293 What's with your fixation with Andrew Sullivan? He is an invisible nobody, and he is irrelevant. Your obsession with him is bizarre. The guy is neurotic, and both mentally and emotionally unstable. By fixating on him, you're acting as loony as he is. I'll bet he is flattered, though. He probably believes that you have a crush on him ................................, which raises the question, do you?

Posted by: Guest at February 03, 2010 10:21 PM (ITzbJ)

294 Even DU thinks he's full of shit about "Tri-G"
http://tinyurl.com/yg22h8r

Posted by: cheshirecat at February 03, 2010 11:05 PM (hmb/r)

295 Why should we expect anything decent coming from Sullivan's mouth?

Posted by: Macker at February 03, 2010 11:24 PM (oAKgO)

296 Wow.. almost 300 comments and no one said that Andi's head is full of semen?

Posted by: Dave C at February 03, 2010 11:27 PM (qmecx)

297 A little known fact: Andrew Sullivan is homophobic.

Posted by: Guest at February 03, 2010 11:52 PM (ITzbJ)

298 Another little known fact: Andrew Sullivan is a phobichomo.

Posted by: Guest at February 03, 2010 11:56 PM (ITzbJ)

299 Like Alice Cooper and Marilyn Manson, Andrew Sullivan is now left with no way to make the kind of money he's used to without being The Andrew Sullivan (so well described by Ace).

He's stuck with his schtick, and when the income falls below a certain level, he'll be forced to resort to self-parody for hire.

He won't be able to follow the Coop. The Coop has done very well. Same as Shatner.

No, this won't end well for Mr. Sullivan.

Posted by: K~Bob at February 04, 2010 12:02 AM (m24lF)

300 Thinks this would sell if a Republican attacked a Dem politician who was the mothe of a Down syndrome infant? No, sorry, the bab woul've been aborted.

Posted by: Barbara at February 04, 2010 12:11 AM (DCV44)

301 I've actually dropped most PC bullshit. I'm never running for office, since I doubt I could stand living in a place that elected someone like me (thanks, Groucho Quote Master!). That means I can afford to be generous with the vituperatin' and such.

I kinda wish Palin had let this one slide, since being anti-PC is one of the cool things many Republicans have going for them.

Posted by: K~Bob at February 04, 2010 12:26 AM (m24lF)

302 The real secret about M. Sullivan is that he longs to BE Sarah Palin. He'd give both his wizened nuts to have her chassis and her ability to attract ... MEN.

That's why he hates her guts. And every woman with an IQ above room temperature knows it.

Posted by: Beverly at February 04, 2010 12:35 AM (XMDu0)

303 As a gay man, I'd normally chalk Sullivan's obsessiveness hatred of Palin and his school-boy infatuation with Levi as stereotypical closeted behavior. But he's out and proud and has the HIV status to prove it.

Him pinning his hopes of exposing Palin as a fraud on Levi cannot be explained away by primal man-love lust alone.

It almost seems as though Sullivan believes that if he could just get Levi in the sack, not only would he be momentarily satisfied sexually, but he would also gain some sort of mystic, secret, redneck knowledge about the former governor through some osmotic, Vulcan sharing of fluids that would prove Trig is truly Tri-G.

Posted by: Chad at February 04, 2010 12:49 AM (ycdDC)

304 Ace's website monitor just told me that I really should try to type something.
I tried, but, alas, I have trouble with two syllable words.
So instead, I'll give youtwo one syllable words.
Up yours..

Posted by: Guest at February 04, 2010 12:52 AM (ITzbJ)

305 Ace's website monitor is scratching his head, and asking, isn't something three syllables, som-eth-ing?

Posted by: Guest at February 04, 2010 12:57 AM (ITzbJ)

306 I think I get it, Andy boy is secretly in love with Sarah Palin. Its the only rational means of explaining how she makes him unhinged...

Or, maybe he's just a jerk...

You'd think she was an elected official with power over peoples lives and the economy the way some people react to her.

Hmm, hopefully someday.

Posted by: Rodney at February 04, 2010 02:44 AM (c6mrx)

307 Palin endorsed the Mini Paultard to keep the Most High Ronulan from thinking of getting back into the 2012 circuit. If Sarah endorses Sonny Boy, Ron might think twice about attacking her.

Palin probably thinks of her Rand Paul money as Protection.

Posted by: section9 at February 04, 2010 08:34 AM (H6lGz)

308 why does the Atlantic keep him on???? Any answers??????????

Posted by: chai at February 04, 2010 09:38 AM (n1l55)

309 You morons didn't think you could get MCD from sex did you? No, you have to eat the cow afterward.
Posted by: snookered at February 03, 2010 09:15 PM (7Vg6Y)
OK now you are telling me CJ turned into a female Black Widow (or a praying mantis)?

Posted by: always right at February 04, 2010 10:42 AM (UzjcV)

310 Sullivan's gay?

Posted by: Gay-dar at February 04, 2010 11:02 AM (4fc2a)

311 Best. Bitchslap. Evah.
Andrew Sullivan is truly unworthy of such an awesome example of snark.

Posted by: Cat at February 04, 2010 03:28 PM (7406h)

312 Just so I've got this straight ...
Sarah Palin is allegedly too dumb to have everread a random factoid about Norse Mythology...
...But is completely versed in relevent medical terminology to the point of being familiar with coloquialisms...
...and named her own child with malicious intent AND her husband's complicity?
I'd like you too meet some friends of mine from SunnyTown Sanitarium...

Posted by: Captain Obvious at February 04, 2010 04:45 PM (I/bbV)

313 "professional mediawhore and gay softcore-porn icon Levi Johnson."
__________________________

OR Scott Brown, you know, whatever....

Anyways...

Sarah Palin/Fabio 2012!



Posted by: DEO at February 04, 2010 10:38 PM (crRdW)

314 The only reason this nutter has a job is that AIDS related dementia is covered by ADA and allowing him to write shit like this is "reasonable accommodation".

Posted by: SDN at February 05, 2010 10:34 AM (S78cq)

315 A PubMed seearch for tri-g comes up with zero hits. Pubmed is THE search database for anything medical/biological. If tri-g, Tri-g, tri-G or Tri-G were ever used in a paper's title, abstract or keyword field, it would show up.
Try it yourself:
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/sites/entrez

Posted by: MJMJ at February 07, 2010 03:07 PM (cCXaP)

316 Anyone that thinks it's a coincidence that Trig ended up with his name for any reason other than Trisomy G is a complete idiot. The odds of something like that are astronomical. But then again, the odds of people actually believing that Palin could fly from Texas to Alaska after her water broke is pretty astronomical as well. I guess this is where the stupid congregate.

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Osmanl Hkmeti Tarafndan lk Kurulan Matbaa
Ve Bunun Neriyat

B. A. MYSTAKIDIS

Sadeletirilmi Metin: Mlik Ylmaz



Ad geen makale 1911 ylnda stanbul’da (Constantinople) Ahmet hsan
ve erikas Matbaaclk Osmanl irketi tarafndan Trih-i
Osmni Encmeni Mecmuasnn ayr basm olarak yaymlanmtr. Makalenin
Franszca ad ‘La Premire Imprimerie Turque et ses Publications’tur.

Makalede, Osmanl Hkmetinin destei ve himayesiyle 1726 ylnda
brahim Mteferrika tarafndan kurulmu olan ilk Trk matbaas
ve bu matbaada baslan eserler hakknda bilgiler
verilmitir. Makale, ounlukla yabanc kaynaklara dayanlarak
hazrlanmtr.
Mystakidis makalesinde, balangta Osmanl Devleti’nde matbaa
kurmann zorluundan bahsederek, brahim Mtferrika’nn mevcut eitli
zorluklara ve engellemelere ramen matbaasn
nasl kurduunu, zellikle matbaasn kurarken gerekli olan
aletleri ve harfleri nasl elde ettiini ve ne ekilde faaliyete
geirdiini anlatmtr. Bununla birlikte Mteferrika matbaasnda
baslan eserlere ilikin bilgiler vermitir.

Sultan III. Ahmed’in saltanatnn son yllarna doru matbaa
sanatn Trkiye’ye getiren “brahim Mteferrika” hakknda, Tarih-i
Osmani Encmeni Mecmuas’nn nc blmnn 178 –185. sayfalarnda
nefis bir makale okudum.
Topu Urban’ inceledikten sonra, Doktor Karaun Efendi’nin ilme
hizmet ettiini gsteren bu makalede, Osmanl Devleti’nde matbaaclk,
ilk kurulan matbaa ve bu matbaann kurulmas iin gerekli olan
alet ve harflerin salanmas, bununla birlikte baslan kitaplarn
adedi, ayrca Doktor Karaun Efendi’nin makalesinde konu olan Trke ve
Franszca sarf (dilbilgisi-) kitab iin bibliyografik bilgilerle
kitabn yazar hakknda baz zet bilgileri arz ediyorum.Bu makalenin
yazarnn asl amac, brahim Mteferrika’nn durumunu aklamaktan
ibarettir.

Bunun yan sra yazar, brahim Efendi gibi Macar olan Urban hakknda
da iki satrdan ok olmamak zere aklayc bir iki sz
sylemitir. rnein, Urban’n Trklere topu kalba dkmei mi veya
topun iml olunmasn m yoksa top atma m ya da topla nian almasn
m gsterdiini aklamak gerekmektedir. Ayrca, Bizans ve Trk
tarihilerinin eserlerinde konu ettikleri ve bundan krk be yl nce
mzemizin eski mdr Msy Dtye’nin topuluk tarihiyle ilgili olarak
kaleme ald birka sayfalk makalede, o srada en byk top olan
Rudman topunu imal etme baarsndan dolay kendileriyle gurur duyan
Amerikallara kar, Hazreti Fatih’in, Rudman topuyla karlatrlm
olan o byk ve mehur lem topunun da adn anmak gerekliydi.

Bundan baka, ayn dnemde yaayan tarihilerden bazs Urban’
Daya (eski Romanya) halkndan kabul etmektedirler. Urban, Macar olarak
kabul olunduu takdirde, ada olan bir nc Macar daha vardr ki
bu kii de, gemiteki hizmetleriyle birlikte anlmakta, ancak ismi
verilmemektedir. Bu kii, anlama gerei Hunyad tarafndan Hazreti
Fatih’in ordughna gnderilmitir. Kaleyi ykmak iin kullanlan
yntemin eksikliklerini grerek topun ne ekilde kullanlacan
retmi ve bu sayede kalenin bir an nce yklmasyla stanbul’un fethi
gereklemitir.

Fatih Sultan Mehmed’in yazm ilerinde alan mrozlu
Kristodolos’un meslektam Karolidi Efendi tarafndan evirisi yaplarak
mecmua ile yaymlanan tarihinde, Urban’n ismi anlmyorsa da, bu
eserde topun imal ediliinden ayrntl olarak sz edildiinden buras
mecmuann drdnc blmnde evirisi yaplarak aklanmtr.Firmin
Dido’nun matbaa hakkndaki grleri
On beinci yzylda stanbul’da Museviler tarafndan baslm birka
kitap yaymlanmt.

Fakat Sultan II. Bayezid tarafndan karlan ve olu Sultan I.
Selim’in 1515’de yeniledikleri bir emir zerine matbaa
ilmi ile uramak idam cezas ile yasaklanmtr.
Jojef bin Goriyo’nun “brani Tarihi” zerine yazlm eseri,
stanbul, 1490 tarihlidir. Dier eserler ise 1492’den 1598 tarihine
kadar olan zaman zarfnda yaynlanmtr.
Bunlarn en nemlisi 1546’da eitli dillerde basm yaplan
Tevrat’n Esfar- Hamse ksmdr. On altnc yzylda Patrik Kirilos
Lokaris’in yardm ile Kefalonyal Rahip Nikodimus Mtakassas adl kii
stanbul’da yeniden bir matbaann kurulmasna alm ise de
bu giriimi Cizvitler tarafndan engellenmitir. 1698’de Ermeniler
tarafndan Osmanl Devleti’ne getirilen bask malzemeleri Sultann emri
ile yenieriler tarafndan tahrip edilmitir.

stanbul’da matbaann kurulmas ancak on sekizinci yzylda
Osmanl Hkmeti’nin destei ve himayesi ile gereklemitir.
Sultan III. Ahmed dneminde, brahim Efendi byk ve srekli
abalarla hemehrilerinin ve zellikle de ulemann o zamana kadar devam
eden engellemelerine ve muhalefetlerine karn 1139 (1726) ylnda
Layd’tan kalp getirtmek ve burada harfleri dktrmek iin ad geen
Padiahtan izin almtr.
Bu mehur tarihi aadaki szlerden fazla bir bilgi vermiyor.
brahim Mteferrika tarafndan Kurulan bu matbaada
ilk baslan kitap Trke’den Arapa’ya bir szlktr. Bu szlk,
1726’dan 1728 ylna kadar olan srede yaynlanmtr. 1729’da bir de
Franszca’dan Trke’ye bir dilbilgisi kitab baslmtr. 1744 ylnda
brahim Efendi’nin vefatndan sonra bu matbaada
bir sre basm ileri gereklememitir ancak daha sonra matbaa
tekrar faaliyete balamtr.
1816 ylnda skdar’da bulunan Matbaa-i
Amire’ye gerekletirdiim ziyaretim srasnda matbaada
muntazam drt makine bulunuyordu.



1746’da vefat eden ve Paris Kraliyet Ktphanesi’nde ktphaneci ve
Kollej d Frans retmenlerinden olan Rahip Mihail Furmon‘un Msy
Mrp’ye hitaben Sakz’dan gndermi olduu 26 Mart 1729 tarihli
mektubunda, matbaay ziyaretinden ve matbaann
pek ar ve zorluklarla faaliyetine devam ettiinden, buna sebep olarak
da kurucularnn bu husustaki cehaleti ve Said Efendi’nin ilgisizlii
olduundan bahsetmektedir.

Ayrca ziyareti srasnda matbaann ba mrettip ve hakkakinin
ancak Trke’yi konuabilen zavall bir Bolonyal Musevi olduunu ve matbaann
sorumlusunun da Macar ruhbanndan iken mslman olan brahim Efendi
olduunu, Said Efendi’nin destei ve araclyla Enderun-i Hmayun
Ktphaneleri’ni ziyaret etme midinde iken, Said Efendi’nin alakadar
olmadn grmesi zerine fikrinin deitiini sylemektedir.



Karaun Efendi tarafndan gerek matbaa ve gerekse de brahim
Mteferrika hakknda ayrntl bilgi verilmitir.

Ayrca, hakkklar, hurufat dkmecileri ve matbaaclarn
Viyana’dan getirtildii yazlm ise de bu konuda Lorek, “Said Efendi
gerekli yazlar hazrlam olup hurufat stanbul’da bizzat kestirip
dktrmtr” demektedir. Toderini de, aratrmaclarn Trke yazlm
tarihlerde bu konuda bir eye rastlayamayacaklar gibi, dikkatli bir
ekilde incelemi olduum Yirmisekiz elebi Mehmed Efendi’nin
sefaretnamesinde de rastlayamadm diyor.
Gerekten, Tarih-i Raid’in eki olan Kkelebizade Asm
Efendi’nin Tarihinde de, matbaa malzemelerinin gelii
hakknda bilgi yoktur.
Saint Simon’un “Hatrat” adl eserinde, Yirmisekiz elebi Mehmed
Efendi’nin eli olarak Paris’te bulunduu zamanki durumuna dair u
ifadelere rastlanlmaktadr:
Osmanl Devleti’nin Paris Elisi Mehmed Efendi matbaann
btn aletlerini, makinelerini, kaznm yazlarn ve matbaa
binasnn kabartma planlarn grmtr.

Paris’te bulunduu srada Kraliyet Ktphanesi’ni de ziyaret
etmitir. Bu ziyareti esnasnda ktphanenin tarih ve nefis kitaplar
hakknda geni bilgisi olduunu gstermitir. Mehmet Efendi Sadrazam’n
arkada olduu iin stanbul’a dnnde bir matbaa
ile bir de ktphane kurmaya karar vermi ve grd muhalefete ramen
baarl da olmutur.
Meninski “matbaa malzemelerinin Paris’ten getirtildiini,
Firmin Dido ise Layd’tan getirtilmi olduunu” sylemektedir.

Karaun Efendi’nin yazm olduklar makalede sz konusu olan “Trke
Franszca Sarf” (Dilbilgisi) kitabnn basm iin gerekli olan
Franszca harflerin elde edilmesine gelince, Saint Simon’un 1829 ylnda
baslm olan “Hatrat” adl eserinin on sekizinci cildinin 382-383.
sayfalarnda u ifadelere rastlanlmaktadr:
“Holderman’n ‘Sarf- Trkisi’ni bastrmak iin gerekli olan Franszca
harflerin Paris’ten gnderildii, Saray Kral Nzr Msy Mrp
tarafndan, o zaman Fransa’nn stanbul Elilii grevinde bulunan Msy
Vilnov’a yazlm olan 28 Haziran 1730 tarihli mektubun ieriinden
anlalmaktadr. Ad geen mektupta, brahim Efendi’nin Sarf- Trki ve
Lgat kitabn bastrmak iin talep ettii Franszca harflerin
verilmesini Kraldan rica edeceim, kitaplarn basmnda kullanlacak
Trke harflerden bana numune gnderiniz deniliyor”.

Numune talebinin amac ise, gnderilecek Franszca harfler ile
burada bulunan Trke harflerin bir ayarda olmasn salamak, dzene
koymak ve basm iini kolaylatrmaktr.
Matbaann kurulmasndan sonra baslan kitaplarn
adedi konusuna gelince : 1867 ylndaki orada Paris Osmanl Devleti’nin
Elisi olan Cemil Paa’nn bakanlnda toplanan Osmanl Fen
Komisyonunun dzenlemi olduu raporlardan biri olan Sanayi-i Nefise ve
ubeleri hakkndaki drdnc raporun, Paris’te baslan nshasnn altm
ikinci sayfasnda, gerek matbaann nasl kurulduuna ve
gerekse de harflerin nereden ve nasl salandna dair herhangi bir
ey sylenilmemitir. Bununla birlikte, raporda ilk matbaann
kurulmasyla basm gereklemi olan kitaplarn adedi yirmi be olarak
gsterilmi ise de, D’ohsson Tarihinin 1788’de baslan sekiz ciltlik
eserinin, ikinci cildinin be yz birinci sayfasnda basm yaplan
kitaplarn adedi on be olarak gsterilmitir.

Zonkiyer’in (Jonquiere)“Tarih-i Devlet-i Aliyye” adl eserinin
1881’de Paris’te baslan nshasnn 356. sayfasnda, matbaada
baslan eserlerin says on be olarak kaytldr. Bu kayt,
tarihinin, sz konusu kayda ilikin bilgiyi yalnzca D’ohsson Tarihine
bavurarak edindii dncesini dourmaktadr.
Hammer Tarihinin on drdnc cildinin 179. sayfasnda matbaada
baslan eserler yedi adet olarak gsterildii halde, ad geen cildin
sonunda bulunan aklama ksmnda ise, toplam on yedi olarak kayt
edilmitir.

Sz konusu kayt bu cildin 496. sayfasndadr.
Matbaa hakknda stanbul’dan, 3 Terin-i sni
(Kasm) 1740 tarihinde yazlan ve 14 Knun-i sni (Ocak) 1741 tarihli
“Gazet d Frans “ nshasnda yer alan bir mektupta, Fnun-i Askeriyye’ye
(Askerlik Bilgileri) ait birok eser Trke’ye evrilerek matbaada
baslmtr. Bir yl boyunca baslan kitaplarn adlarn ieren bir
cetvelin yaymlanmasnn yntem haline getirilmesi nedeniyle o yln
sonunda yaymlanan bu cetvele gre matbaann
kuruluundan imdiye kadar 280 cilt kitabn basm gereklemitir”
denilmektedir.



Trke ve Franszca olarak basm yaplan sarf (dilbilgisi) kitab
hakknda:
Meninski, byk lgatnn 1780’de Viyana’da baslan nshasnn
birinci cildinin nsznde, brahim Mteferrika ve matbaadan
sz ederken bu “sarf” hakknda aadaki ksack szleri sylyor.
“Rahip Holderman’n telif etmi olduu Trke ve Franszca sarf kitab,
bu matbaann 1730 tarihinde basm olduu
eserlerdendir”.
Toderini Tarihinde bu konuda geni bilgi vermektedir. Ayrca bu
eserin, o zaman stanbul’da bulunan Franszlarn zorlamas ve basksyla
matbaada
basldn belirterek, Franszlarn dil gereksinmelerini
kolaylatrmak iin kitabn sonuna bir de mkaleme ksm ilave edilmi
olduunu ifade etmitir. Bununla birlikte eserin nshalarnn ok az
bulunmasndan dolay byk zorluklarla bir nshasn elde ettiini
sylemektedir.
1747’de Paris Kraliyet Ktphanesi Trke ve Farsa mtercimlerden
olan Arman (Armain) adl kii stanbul’a gelerek o zaman Fransa’nn
stanbul Elisi olarak bulunan Kont Dozayir (comte des Alleurs) ile
birlikte matbaay ziyaretten sonra, Paris’e gndermi olduu
20 Eyll 1747 tarihli raporunda yer alan ve kitaplarn fiyatn kapsayan
cetvelde, matbaada baslan kitaplarn adedi on alt olarak
gsterilmi ve bu sarf kitabndan sz edilmemitir. brahim Mteferrika
hakknda ise, bu raporun yazld tarihten alt ay nce vefat etmitir
demektedir.

Bundan dolay D’ohsson, Tarihinin ikinci cildinin 480-510. sayfasna
kadar matbaa hakknda aklama yapm ve ilk baslan
kitaplarn cetvelini dahi kayt etmi olduu halde bu sarf iin tek bir
sz bile sylememitir. Bu yzden Zonkiyer’in (Jonquiere), Tarihine
alm olduu cetvelde de bu kitabn adna rastlanlmamaktadr. Yalnz
Hammer, Tarihinin on drdnc cildinin sonuna –bu cildin iindekiler
hakknda gerekli olan kapsaml aklama- ilave etmi olduu blmde yer
alan, matbaada baslan eserlerin adlarn ieren cetvelde
sekizinci olarak bu sarf gstermektedir.
Dido, yukarda ad geen eserinin yedi yz altnc sayfasnda bu
eserden sz etmi ise de basm tarihi olan 1730 yln 1729 olarak
gstermitir.

Paris’te basm gerekleen Ktphaneler Mecmuas’nn 1895 ylna ait
olan beinci cildinin 185-200 ve 228-236. sayfalarnda aadaki
aklamalara rastlanlmaktadr; Jojoyet Rahiplerinden Strazburg’lu
Holderman tarafndan 1730 ylnda stanbul’da Said Aa’nn matbaasnda
ocuklara mahsus Trke-Franszca bir sarf baslmtr. Yukarda ad
geen rahip bir de Ermenice sarfn basmn yapmak arzusunda bulunmu
ise de 13 Terin-i evvel (Ekim) 1730 ylnda vefat etmesinden tr buna
muvaffak olamamtr.

Baslan Franszca sarfn birok nshas Fransa’ya gnderilmi ve
Kraliyet Ktphanesi Mdr Rahip Binyon’a (Bignon) verilerek 1731-1732
yllarnda Msy Mrpa’nn emriyle Paris’te bulunan Jojoyet Mektebi
rencilerine datlmtr.
Kitabn Avrupa Ktphanelerindeki varlna gelince: Gerek eitim
grm olduum Tubingen Darlfnun Ktphanesi ile daha sonra devam
ettiim Stutgard’n byk ktphanesinde, bundan yirmi sene nce bu
esere rastladm. Bugn bu kitabn ad geen ktphanelerde mevcut
bulunduuna baklarak kitabn Avrupada ki varln Lozan (Lausane)
Akademisi Ktphanesi ile snrlandrmak doru deildir. Ayrca ad
geen kitabn, Mze-i Hmayun Ktphanesi iin 1908 senesi Terin-i
evvelinde (Ekim) bir liraya satn alnan ve 4845 umumi numaral
nshasnn birinci sayfasnda mevcut bulunan eski bir mhrden, bunun
Pete civarnda bulunan “Giz Kartal” karyesindeki ktphanede bulunan
ikinci nsha olduu anlalmaktadr.Matbaann
yabanc dillerden ilk basm olduu bu sarf kitab 218 sayfadan ibaret
olup, ilk on alt ve son sekiz sayfas numaraszdr. lk sayfasnda
kitabn ad ve Macar Ktphanesi’nin mhr ve geri kalan ilk on be
sayfasnda da yazar tarafndan Kardinal Flori’ye ithafen yazlan
imzasz bir mektup yer almaktadr. Bunun devamnda kitabn telifi ve
basks srasnda hata edilmemesi iin aba harcanmsa da buna muvaffak
olunamadndan kitapta gerekli dzeltmeleri ieren bir nsz ve
Trke’ye dair bir giri vardr. Bundan sonra balayan numaral
sayfalarda sarf (dilbilgisi) kurallarndan sz edilmitir. Kitapta 127.
sayfadan 144. sayfaya kadar, gerekli olan Trke cmlelere, 144.
sayfadan kitabn sonuna kadar yirmi blme ayrlm olan mklemeler
eklenmitir. Gerek cmleler gerekse mklemeler stun zerine
dizilmi olup birincide Trke cmleler Franszca harfler ile ikincide,
Trke harfler ile yazlm, ncde ise Franszca karl
gsterilmitir. Kitabn ilk sayfasnn ierii bir ve iki numaral
fotoraflarla gsterilmitir.

NOTLAR

(1) Bu isim Orbin, Orban, Urban olmak zere yazarlar arasnda ihtilaf
konusu olup Kamusul-Alm’da bu kii hakknda hibir bilgi yoktur.

(2) Hoca efendi (Sadeddin Efendi) “Tc’t-Tevrh”.

(3) “Courrier des Etats-Unis” du 29 Octobre 1861 “le plus gros canon
du monde”. (“Birlemi Milletler kuryesi” 29 Ekim 1861’de “dnyann en
byk topu olarak ifade etmitir”.

(4) Matriaux pour l’histoire de l’artillerie n gnral et de
l’ottomane en particulier (topu snf tarihinde zellikle Osmanlda)
1865 tarihinde stanbul’da baslmtr. On alt sayfadan
ibarettir.

(5) Chalcocondylis, dit. Bonn. p. 385-386, Ducas, p.271-272,
Frantzis, p. 237-239.

(6) Hammer-Hellert, II, p. 398-399. “Ainsi c’tait un Hongrois qui
avait fondu le canon, et ce fut un Hongrois qui apprit aux turcs a s’en
servir utilement;”Ducas, qui, comme Kritoboulos, ne donne pas son nom,
(Bylece topcu snfn kuran bir Macar’d ve Trklere bunu, faydal bir
ekilde kullanmay retti. Ducas, Kritoboulos gibi ismini vermedi)
diyor ki:
?????? ??????? ?x ????? ?? ?? ???? ???? ?????? ????? ??? ????? ?????
???x ???? ??? ??? ???x?? ??x??? ??? ????, ????? ?... ? ?????? ? ???
?? ?????? .
Ayn mahale bir ta mermi daha atmak istediinden bunu...orada
hazr bulunan Hunyad’n adam ‘adem-i tasvb ile... nasihat eyledi.. bu
nasihat ustann makbulne geti.
Zrkeisen, Geschichte D. Osman : Reiches vol. II, p. 831.
Jorga, Geschichte D. Osmanischen : Reiches, vol. II, p. 18-20.

(7) Ansiklopedi Modern’in yirmi altnc cildinden alnt.
“Firmin Didot” Essai sur la Typographie, Paris, 1855 (Extr: du tome
XXVI, de l’Encyclopdie moderne, “Turquie p.706.”.

( Tarihinin bu ifadeleri hakknda yaplacak birok aklama var
ise de yalnz bununla yetinilmitir. lk baslan lgat kitab Arapa’dan
Trke’yedir ki Shah- Cevheri evirisi olan “Vankulu”dur.
Toderini’nin “Edebiyt- Trkiye” adl eserinin ikinci cildinin 176.
sayfas ile devam eden sayfalarna ve Lorek’in “Trih-i Tb’at” adl
eserinin birinci cildinin 280 ve 281. sayfalarna baknz.

(9) “Omont”, Missions Archologiques franaises en Orient, p. 543.
Paris 1902, in 4.

(10) Lorek, sayfa 281. “Lorek” Handb: d: Geschichte d.
Buchdrukerkunst Theil I, Leipsig, 1882.

(11) Cilt 2, sayfa 172. “Toderini” Litteratur d: Trken,
Koenigsberg, 1790.

(12) Kk elebi-zde Tarihinin Matba’a-i ‘mre’de baslan nshas
sayfa 470-471.

(13) Htrt, cilt 18, sayfa 382-83.
Mmoires de Saint-Simon, edit : de 1829.

(14) Viyana, 1780 basksnn nsznn 87. sayfas.
Meninski, Lexicon Arabico-Persico—Turcicum Viennae 1780. fol : p:
87.

(15) Fenn-i Tb’at hakknda bilgiler sayfa 77.

(16) Fransz bilim adamlarndan “Msy Omon”un “Ktphaneler
Mecmuas’nn 1895 ylna ait olan nshas sayfa 228-236.

(17) Vol: I, p. :LXXXVII “ex cadem typographia prodiit anno Cristi
1730 Gallicoturcica grammatica Aldermannii extinctae S. I. sacerdote”.


(1 Sarfn yazar olup eserinde ad yazl olmayan “Holderman”
kitabn “Kardinal d Filori” ye ithafen kitabn bana yazm olduu
ithafname ve nszde bask esnasnda birok zorlukla karlatn
beyan ediyor.

(19) Ayn kitabn 224. sayfasnda tarihinin zamannda Galata’da
bulunan Jojoyet Mektebi’nde satlmayan iki yz nsha mevcut olup sonra
Avrupa’ya dalm olduundan yine kendisi sz ediyor.

(20) Msy Omon’un 1902’de Paris’te drt cilt olarak baslan Missions
Archologiques Franaises en Orient adl eserinin 751-753. sayfalar.

(21) Bu Said Aa “Yirmisekiz elebi Mehmed Efendi” nin olu olan
“Mehmed Said Efendi”dir ki 1154’de Rumeli pyesiyle Paris Elisi
olmutur. Sicill-i Osmani, cilt 3, sayfa 29-30. Fransz dou
bilimcilerinden Msy efer tarafndan Paris’te 1894’de baslan,
1716-1724 yllarnda Fransa’nn Osmanl Devleti Elisi olarak bulunan
Marki d Bonnak (marquis de Bonnac)’ n “Hatrt” adl eserinin
nsznn 43-45. sayfalarnda brahim Mteferrika’ya matbaann
kurulmasnda yardmc olan bu kii hakknda birok bilgi mevcut ise de
maalesef bu eseri imdiye kadar elde edemedim.

(22) Kitabn ktphanede bulunduu yer, bi, XIII, 8 in 4.
(23) Orientalische Philologie in 4.

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