1 Do something about that headline Ace.  Or else!

2
staple corn-nuts to my hog

Ouch.

3 Perhaps Sullivan was under the influence of marijuana when he wrote this piece.

4 Rush Limbaugh said on his show today, "Rahm Emanuel compared Democrats to retarded people, then apologized to retarded people.”

5
Ace is a Gaelic name? Who knew...

6 The term "mongoloid" used to be used to refer to Down Syndrome affectees. . .maybe we can apply it to Sullivan instead.

7 By the way, Down syndrome is **NEVER** referred to as "Tri-G".

Not by doctors.
Not by patients.
Not by geneticists.
Not by anyone.

8 Especially if they're breastfeeding, which I am guessing Governor Palin is.

Yeah. I'll need photographic evidence of this. For accuracy purposes only. Of course.

9

So if I call Andrea Sullivan a FAGGOT, at least I'm real???

10 Glad you didn't link to the POS

11 I think I have Tri-G...

12 Ace Go Bragh!

13 Somewhere, a Men's Room in a highway rest stop is missing it's pervert.

14 Perhaps if we had a way-back machine, we could prevail upon Momma Sullivan to name her manchild Highvee?

15 I'm a little uncomfortable with term SPADES, but at least ACE is real!!

16 I could go the rest of my life without hearing the name Levi Johnson.  Or Andi Sullivan, for that matter.

17 He is a total LIAR. I am a nurse who works in an OBGYN department and I have never heard down syndrome called TriG.

18 From Medline Plus, a website from the National Institutes of Health and the US National Library of Medicine:

Main Entry: Down syndrome
Variant(s): or Down's syndrome
Function: noun
: a congenital condition characterized by moderate to severe mental retardation, slanting eyes, a broad short skull, broad hands with short fingers, and by trisomy of the human chromosome numbered 21 -- called also trisomy 21
Down /dan/ , John Langdon Haydon (1828-1896), British physician. Down published in 1866 a treatise on the degeneration of race as a result of marriages of consanguinity. He classified individuals exhibiting mental retardation according to the supposed physiognomic features of various races including the American Indian, Caucasian, Ethiopian, and Mongolian. Although his classification is invalid, one kind of moderate to severe mental retardation was known until recently as mongolism and is now called Down syndrome or Down's syndrome.

If "Tri-G" was often used as the shorthand for this condition, one would think it would have merited notice by this source.

19 I have never heard down syndrome called TriG.

I hear they call em democrats, though.

20 Somebody get Dr. Andi a Buick and an air pocket. Stat.

21 I'm starting to think that Super Crazy Andy is actually a whole panty bunch of fucking insane Wikipedia editors.  "I looked it up" could easily just be "I edited what should have been in there in the first place."

22 Ace.... when you rock, you *bleeping* rock... nothing like reading something etched in acid... wow....

23
The term Tri-G is fake, but accurate.

24 I really really  hope that this post comes up first on a google search of his name because you know he googles it like five times a day.

25

Amaryllis, have you ever heard the FAG?, HOMO?, QUEER?TEH GHEY??

 

Just keepin' it REAL.

26 Great op ed Ace, I enjoyed that.

27

At least the space-aliens finally got it after a long and smoldering Kirk-Kiss.

I have no fucking idea what it will take to dislodge the tumor of expert ignorance from Sullivan's pot-pocked brain.

-Ace

A long and smoldering Kirk-Kiss.

28 Its kinda sad to see someone with ARD deteriorate before your eyes.

29 Are andy and charles fuckhead really joined together humping with charles wife perez guiding them?

30 Basically, by never reading him,

The only thing you read is Hot Air, who reads the NYT, so you don't have to.

Hi, ergie! Shouldn't you be the streamlining the multi-vendor telecom environment by managing the entire telecom infrastructure or something?

31 (stands, starts slow clap for Ace)

32 For the record, we didn't write this post.

33

Many people use the term FAG in reference to Andi Sullivan

As in:

FUCK!

ANDI'S

GHEY

FAG!!

34
The only thing you read is Hot Air, who reads the NYT, so you don't have to.

Ok, that was pretty funny, you have to admit.

35 I did look up the name "andrew sullivan"; its norse, for seaman sucker.

36 Searched a website called mediLexicon, which has a database of medical abbreviations. Entered "Tri-G"

Medical Abbreviation Search for 'Tri-G'

No Search Results Found

Unfortunately there are no medical/pharma acronyms or abbreviations that match your search criteria... Tri-G.

If you have an 'S' at the end of the abbreviation, please re-try the search leaving off the 'S'.

To search for multiple abbreviations at the same time you can enter the separate terms separated by 'OR'. For example, a search for BID OR CJD would bring up results for both terms.

If you find an abbreviation that is missing from our database, please use our feedback form to send it to us.

37 Here is an explanation for Andy telling us: The medical term for Down Syndrome is Trisomy-21 or Trisomy-g. It is often shortened in medical slang to Tri-g.

It is found in Andy's use of the word "often".  So long as Andy and one or two others bandy it about, he can claim to be correct as it will then be part of medical slang (albeit by a non-medical source).

38 After endorsing Rand Paul, she deserves no further defense against Sullivan.  Her grasp of national politics is as erratic as Sullivan's on reality.

39 Ace ( and persons Unknown ), Sullivan will take your advice when the polar ice melts.  Until then, enjoy the shrieking and the drama and the absurd excesses

Sodom & Gomorrah meets Inside the Beltway...

40 Hi ergie! Time to go do some telecom analysis, architecture, contract negotiation & product management to after sale support and TEM services. Or something. Whatever it is you do for a living.

41

I don't confess this very often, but I have family that knows Sarah Palin quite well. And one thing I am absolutely certain of is that the term "retarded baby" would not come out of her mouth. If douchebag Johnston ever heard this phrase fall from her lips the only situation that I could think it would be true is if she was referring to some horrible slur that someone had made about the baby.

On the other hand, I'm fairly certain that Andrew Sullivan's parents on more than one occasion referred to their progeny as a retarded poufter.

42
Did a quick Lexis search, nothing there about 'Tri-G' but a real estate developer.  But then, we all knew he was making it up anyway.

43 Ok, that was pretty funny, you have to admit.

It was as shitty and lame as everything erg writes.

I wonder if he's bundled himself off to France to avail himself of their super-awesome health care yet.

44 "Andrew Sullivan, Fucking Retard"

You shouldn't say that about his boyfriend!

45 'Bad, bad craziness' is the latest phrase of little green furballs head panhandler. Describes his new friends like Andy to a 't'.

46 It is often shortened in medical slang to Tri-g.

No. 3,255,200,453 of the Curious Lies of Andrew Sullivan.

47 This post made me crack up. Keep up the good work attacking Sullivan. That homosexual piece of shit needs to get a life. I mean, he needs to be committed.

48 The entire rant:

+1,000,000,000,000,000

Bravo

49 #37
Here's another explanation.
Sullivan pulled the term "Tri-G" out of his ass.
Undoubtedly not the first time for that.

50 My experience is that a woman who's given birth four times previously is - generally - in pretty good touch with her body.  Especially a mom with four kids who is in better shape than rawmuscleglutes types.

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51 this guy is 25 pounds of stupid, in a five pound sack.

52 Corn nuts!

53 Somewhere, a Men's Room in a highway rest stop, a hole is missing its glory.

54 I found another term that is scientifically interchangeable with demented and irretrievably fucking stupid. What a coinkydink.

55 Ace,

Glad to see you finally got around to posting the stalker takedown.

Regards,

The Morons

56 Oh, just watch.  In a year or two the left will trot out the Tri-g lie as though it's simply obvious.

I bet someone demands Palin prove this isn't where she got the name.

Sullivan knows what he's doing. 

This is the kind of sick lie that the democrats always need.  They know Palin's moral loving human decision is part of her strength against the Sullivan Democrats, so they try to lie to turn that against her.  They want Trig to be a liability so, so, so badly.

Doesn't matter that it takes 9.5 months to make a baby and this proved Palin is Trig's mom.  Doesn't matter that the kind of cover up it would require to fake a pregnancy is just stupid and insane.  It's a line that they can bring up at little cost to themselves and slightly tarnish Palin.  Pure ugliness doesn't hurt the ugly.

Some people will believe there is some vague notion that Sarah Palin doesn't love Trig.  that there were serious allegations about her saying he's a retard and naming him for Down's Syndrome.  That's so ridiculous and horrible and cruel, but some people will totally buy it.

That's what Sullivan is after now. That's why he contributed to the world. 

Like the 'teabagger' slur, some will start repeating this slur.  It's going to get people mad and be a great troll.  Pathetic, and that's part of what this world is about now.

57 This guy's just a whackadoodle, isn't he?
Somehow, I get the impression that he's really secretly attracted to Governor Palin and uses this vitriol to cover up his shame.

58 When you say off handedly that andy sucks it's the truth.

59 OK, Ace, tell us, Tell Us How You Really Feel!!!!

Since you mentioned the PSB, may I point you to a little song of theirs from 1990.  The title fits Sully perfectly.

<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3VDObIIRSYI">How Can You Expect to Be Taken Seriously?</a>

60 After endorsing Rand Paul, she deserves no further defense

Why? 1. Rand is not the whack job his father is. 2. Who are you to decide what she deserves?

61 Saw the little post about this.  Think this guy says stuff like this cause no one is reading him and he needs the "hits" to keep his job.   Cause this is way too callous and outrageous to come from a normal person.  Then all the conservative blogs link to the guy and he keeps his job.

If Paris Paramus is around.  I checked, Chuckie is up for re election and so is Kristin for a special election to fill out the rest of ol hill's term.  So that means that NYer's will be choosing both of their senate seats.  This is unusual to say the least.  But that explains why chuckie suddenly is not around much and jumped on the "no trial in NY band wagon".

62 #40

Go cry a river.

63

Remind me what the term "fucking retard" is a metaphor of?

I forget.

64 Duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh. Uh, duh duh.

65

Sullivan's site is kind of fun to read, especially when he's weeping about healthcare.

On every other topic, every opinion he has on every topic relates to whether or not it makes his dick hard.  He had like 20 posts on masturbation last week.  

I think he wanked himself all the way through the SOTU speech.  Seriously.

66

Did my parents know a great deal about the Gaelic origins of my name before they gave it to me?

Brian?....Glen?......

 

Mulva?

 

67

STDs don't do Andy's brain much good.

68 By the way Trisomy-21 is one of the many ways to describe Down's Syndrome. There's no fucking way doctors, nurses, etc would all say "Oh he has Trisomy-21." No, it doesn't work that way. They just say "Down's" or "Mongoloid" if that's PC to say. Christ on a stick, Sullivan is many levels of a homosexual retard.

69

ANDREW SULLIVAN- BUTT FUCKING RETARD.

 

That's better FIFY.

70 51 this guy is 25 pounds of stupid, in a five pound sack.

Only 25 pounds?

71

Remind me what the term "fucking retard" is a metaphor of?

I forget.

Democrats you dumb-ass.

72

Ace -

  GWAR would Rape the Pony themselves. 

  But thanks for the reference to the Greatest Band Evah!!!!! 

A+ work, there buddy..and stay away from Sulli - You don't want Legionnairs' Disease!

-G

 

73 Seriously, the only reason the Atlantic keeps him on payroll is is perma-link on Drudge?  At least, that's what I've heard.

74 Tri-G is NOT short for Trisomy 21.


Even the original rumor wat that was that "tri- g" was short for Trisomy genetic diseases" , and if that's a common abbreviation in genetic circles I've never seen it.

However, Tri-g is a label used for a specific mutant allele in the Tomato plant.

Also it's short for triglycerides.

So you know, Palin is really into scientific shorthand and medical terminology and thinks her baby is fat tomato.

As did I of my own.

75 38 After endorsing Rand Paul, she deserves no further defense against Sullivan. Her grasp of national politics is as erratic as Sullivan's on reality.

You rather have a democrat? Nice to know.

76 The sperm swilling swish Sullivan only brags about getting his inch-worm hard because he couldn't get it up with a Fisherman's Helper^TM. 

77

Posted by: Mippilis at February 03, 2010 03:45 PM (VWhP)

Go sit on a tuffet.

78 Have you had even a stray thought, even the occasional "Me fuck Mommy, now" which hasn't been supplied to you by Hot Air?

Erg, why aren't you sucking on a shotgun yet?  "Your America" is being torn down before your very eyes, and your Trotskyite Messiah will be lucky to make it to exile in some Communist shithole before his reign of reckless incompetent terror is finally over.

Geez, dude, suicide is really the only noble option you have left.  Man up, pussy.

79 Someone once offered Minute Rice to Andrew Sullivan, but he turned it down because he said he wanted regular sized rice.

80 Ok what's a tuffet, hope I never sat on one, may have shot one tho'.

81 http://slangrn.com/definition/tri-21

This could be where Sullivan picked it up. Not a medical journal I know. Just some stupid slang post that was made back in December 2009. I'm venturing that faggot was probably the creator of that post.

82 You know, there are a bunch of sites out there for various associations and societies dedicated to supporting individuals with Downs syndrome and parents of children with Downs syndrome. There are also sites that act as resources for information on Downs syndrome.

You can also do a site search in Google for "tri-g" for these sites, and you find nothing. Nada. Because that moron Sullivan made it up. It's a much more specific search and more damning.

83

I don't confess this very often, but I have family that knows Sarah Palin quite well. And one thing I am absolutely certain of is that the term "retarded baby" would not come out of her mouth. If douchebag Johnston ever heard this phrase fall from her lips the only situation that I could think it would be true is if she was referring to some horrible slur that someone had made about the baby.

It's patently false.  She would never say something like that.

If she was that coarse I'm sure she would have had some pretty choice words for that scrunt Letterman a while back.

And anyway  --  you just know she wouldn't.  It's clearly not in her nature.

84 "Take Adrian Andi to the zoo.  Retards like the zoo." - Rocky I

85 What's his fevered little brain and lame shitty imaginary detective work figure is the story behind Track's name?

86 I just wish The Atlantic was made to account for Sullivan's abject stupidity and slander. I wish someone could make them defend this idiocy. It's just incredible to me that the once respectable magazine is reduced to propping up a lunatic link whore -- who by the way -- uses little sock puppets to write his content.

87

My son has Down's Syndrome.  The thing that boils my blood worse than anything else this jerk says?  He keeps referring to Sarah Palin's baby as a "poor child." 

To say he has no idea is a monumental understatement.  My son is not a "poor child," and I doubt Trig Palin is either.  My son is a wonderful human being, most people who have contact with him are better off for it.  I wonder if anyone on this Earth would say the same about Sullivan. 

88 I'm sorry, but I really can't believe that Andrew Sullivan would just make something up whole cloth, totally manufactured like that. Tri-g has to be real.

89

It's as credible as the idea that she gave a speech while having contractions, several hours after going into labor, as she claims in her novel.

When I went into labor with my first child, I was at the hospital within half an hour.

But when I went into labor with my third child, I baked a birthday cake, let it cool, then hand-decorated it for my daughter in a very complex Barbie pattern before heading off to the hospital--because I knew otherwise my daughter wasn't going to get that Barbie cake she really wanted. For a woman like Sarah Palin, giving a speech would be mere child's play.

But anyway that's all beside the point because Sulli doesn't even have his facts straight. What she claimed in her book was that her amniotic fluid was leaking, and she gave the speech anyway. Leaking amniotic fluid is not the same thing as having contractions or being in labor. Her labor started when they induced her at the hospital. It can happen weeks before labor begins. Mine leaked with my second pregnancy; the doctor did an ultrasound and sent me home. No big deal.

 

90 Wow, that was an AWESOME rant.

91 Methinks that Andrew's watched a bit too much television.

On teh TV pregnant women having contractions are grabbing rails, wailing, gnashing teeth, threatening to kill their impregnator, et cetera.

My recollection from my wife's pregnancies is that the contractions can start a loooong time before birth and be more an inconvenience than a full bull-goose "Lucy and Desi in the Maternity Ward" scenario.

-

92 Great read.  These type of posts just draw me in like a moth to a little funny, foul-mouthed flame.

93 Hey, ergie. You know what I hear? I hear you enjoy changing perceptions, especially when it comes to customer experience. Would your boss really approve of you using company time and resources writing such naughty things?

94 @87 - He's a "poor child" because Andi would prefer he was aborted.  Despicable.

95 When they told Andrew Sullivan that an iceberg sunk the Titanic, he said he knew the jews were behind it.

96 Jaw-droppingly awesome snark, Ace. In a non-gay way, NTTAWWT.

97

1. Rand is not the whack job his father is.

Except for the wackiness about the CIA, Rand Paul shares numerous of his father's paranoid beliefs about the US government, and supports the closing of GITMO, bashed the Iraq war, banning enhanced interrogation of terrorists, and is as big an Israel-basher as his father.

2. Who are you to decide what she deserves?

Nice non-sequiter, but I think she's demonstrating that she's going to be a divisive voice come 2012, not a promoter of the party.  Just like Steele gets ripped for all of his gaffes, Palin deserves some blame for jumping in on the TX governor race way too early and for endorsing Paul over a sure-win candidate like Grayson. 

I don't begrudge her, but ever since she put out the book it's been all about Sarah.

98 Jen, sorry but you are mistaken.

The uber OB-GYN Dr. Andrew Sullivan has spoken.

99 Jesus effin' Christ, for someone you don't care about, you just spent more effort on slapping down the pathetic smegma receptacle than Madison put into the Constitution.

100 Andi girl - what a disgusting individual. To paraphrase Patton, he knows as much about fucking, as Obama knows about freedom. Maybe a little more, actually.

101 89

Don't bother. Andrew Sullivan thinks of you as a "fucking breeder" and that you should never question his 300 pounds of lying shit because he fancies himself as a OB/GYN faggot expert. In fact, he cries himself to sleep wishing that he could get a vaginoplasty but got disqualified because his thick shell you call his head is full of shit.

102 I have built a wall to protect Sarah in my mind from these rope suckers on the left moonbat side, so no worries many of us will protect her until she is sworn in as the 45th President of the United States!

103

Gaelic? Interesting.

I'd have sworn "Ace" was short for Acacio (from the Greek, meaning "of the thorny tree").

104 Any takers on how long they think it'll be before Andi tries to seduce Levi? This is all this is about really. He wants Levi and being their to console the idiot after his 15 minutes are up is the way he plans on doing it.

105 Ugh.  Actually, "trisomy g" is referenced on Wikipedia for Down Syndrome.  The reference isn't sourced to anything.

Please tell me Crazy Andy isn't just quoting shit he read on Wikipedia.

106

This is where I have to go the low road yet again and quote, I think, Treacher, who once sniped, "Someone needs to explain to Andrew Sullivan that his favorite beverage is sometimes used to make babies."

I love Jim Treacher.  In a completely non-homophobic, non-homophilic way.

107 Trig. Just what the world needs. Another fucking scandi.

108 Some people say Andrew is suffering from AIDS dementia.

They are quite wrong.

He is suffering from HATE dementia.  His hate has addled his brain.

109 Everyone wave to Erg.  It's found the open access terminal at the library again.

110 Did you know that "homosexual" is shortened in hetero slang to "homo", not mention "faggot" is shortened to "fag".

Just sayin', because Andy is gay.

111 But Sullivan himself shrieks like little girl who just watched her pony get raped by the road crew for GWAR whenever the most trivial gay putdown is employed; it's all I can take to keep from busting a gut to hear him lecture me on how we should all just blow off painful invective as if it's no big deal.

We are insulted.

The pony wanted it, and the little girl, well, she was actually 42.

112 Someone once tried to give Andrew Sullivan a Lost DVD, but he kept insisting it was right there.

113 Mippilis,

I'd take him over a Democrat. That's all I need. Plus he would be a guaranteed vote against any shit the Democrats pull like raising taxes, new programs etc. He would be a boon to keeping government down rather than increasing it. Fuck off.

114

Well done!  I stumbled upon that post of his myself and it pissed me off.  The man is truly disturbed, obsessed, and consumed with hate.  I'm glad you slapped him around over it.  It's unbelievable that people take that blogger seriously when he quite obviously is mentally ill. 

And, yeah, I can't find any evidence that Tri-G is "often" used in the manner Sullivan claims, either.  If he just made that up, that needs to be exposed. 

115
Actually, "trisomy g" is referenced on Wikipedia for Down Syndrome. 

Yeah, it is NOW, the dickbag probably added the entry himself.

116 I used to know a guy named Trig.  He was not Norse and he didn't have Downs Syndrome.  Go figure.

117 I was having drinks with The Chicken and he told me that Sarah Palin actually did say 'retarded baby'.  She was talking with Todd about what they were going to do about Levi.

fyi  The Chicken can't even sit on a barstool thanks to you cruel bastards.

118

Sullivan is an unhappy bitch, because he's gay.  Because he knows he willfully behaves in an immoral fashion and enjoys it, and because many many Americans do not approve of  Sullivans choices.  Most of us have seen his type many many times.  From my experience with homosexuals,  rarely have a seen a gay person that is happy or well adjusted.  Sarah Palin is someone who should be admired universally for the choices she has made and the upright morality she displays.  Her little boy is as valuable to God as Sullivan is.

Trig does not have a choice, he was born with Down Syndrome.   Sullivan does have a choice.  He CHOOSES to be GAY and unhappy.

119 Please tell me Crazy Andy isn't just quoting shit he read on Wikipedia.

He probably wrote the entry.

120

I use the word "retard" all the time, of course. But I acknowledge it is deeply, deeply impolite and hurtful to those who are mentally challenged and especially the parents of the mentally challenged.

That's right Ace. I  am deeply offended, and I want you fired!

121

Did my parents know a great deal about the Gaelic origins of my name before they gave it to me?

"Ace" is Gaelic?  Who knew?  I'm pretty sure Andy Sullivan knows more Gay-Lick than you or your mother breeder.

122 "Actually, "trisomy g" is referenced on Wikipedia for Down Syndrome. The reference isn't sourced to anything."

Trisomy-G is a medical term but it's definitly not the term used primarily to describe Down's Syndrome nor is it shortened to Tri-G. Like I said, Andrew Sullivan's full of shit.

123 Contract THIS, Andrew
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124 <shakes fist at DangStraights for being quicker on the draw>

125 Posted by: WTFCI at February 03, 2010 04:04 PM (+zo63)

Well, hate to help Andy, but it's on Merck's web site.

But honestly who gives a fuck anyway? What's his stupid point?

126 The hate for this woman is unreal. What a POS this guy is.

127 93 That some funny shit, vjay, coming from someone like you who sucked GW's balls why he signed Medicare Part D.

What an idiot hypocrite.

 Oh. You knuckleheads aren't finished crying, crying knucklehead tears.

Posted by: Tumescent Republican at February 03, 2010 04:01 PM (m4Ulb)

if you were even remotely capable of posting in some sort of manner that made sense, I'd read what you had to say before I told you that you were an asshole. But, since you don't/can't, I'll just skip it, and get right to the "you are an asshole" part.

Now, fuck off and go get your shinebox, you no account little bitch.

128 Once these ghey guys are exposed and ridiculed for their stupidity they usually murder themselves, looking forward to a watch on YouTube andy, wear your best lipstick before you kick the chair out!

129

So he starts by talking about someone talking about Rahm Emanuel, and then goes off on the meaning behind the name Trig.

That's quite a tangent.

(Sorry.) (No I'm not.)

130 My beef with the whole thing is his profanity in the work place. What happened to harassment and that sort of thing? He's above it? Great show of work place manners, Rahm. Guess it's open season now for all bosses to treat employees to to the daily diatribe of expletives.

131 I wonder if any scientific papers on AIDS-related dementia link back to Andi's blog.

132 Gaelic is often spelled Gaylick.

Not that there's anything wrong with that.

133 Nobody really expects Rahm Emanuel to resign over this, but it lays down another marker, holding the lefty PC Police to their own rulebook. 

I totally confess to using the R-word in the past to describe Democrats and other cretins, which really is not fair to people like Trig who tend to be sweet and loving and who, just by not being Dem operatives, contribute about 100x as much to the betterment of humanity than wastes-of-space like former ballet dancer and Sarah Lawrence College Graduate Rahm Emanuel (just sayin').  The release of the movie "Tropic Thunder", with its popularization of the diagnostic term "full retard" just made the situation worse.

All that said, as a new father, and one who had a "Downs scare" (leading to an amnio and an all-clear) along the way, I now try very hard not to use that term when there are so many others that will do.

134 My son is not a "poor child," and I doubt Trig Palin is either.  My son is a wonderful human being, most people who have contact with him are better off for it.

You're a terrific dad.

But when I went into labor with my third child, I baked a birthday cake, let it cool, then hand-decorated it for my daughter in a very complex Barbie pattern before heading off to the hospital--because I knew otherwise my daughter wasn't going to get that Barbie cake she really wanted.

And you're a terrific mommy.

135

Kaitian:

He'll torpedo all kinds of Republican initiatives if it contains any expansion of powers that he sees as improper; he's the type that would sacrifice a tax cut if it meant that the same bill continued funding for covert CIA programs.

He'd hold the Senate GOPers hostage by withholding his vote for pet issues; a senate version of his father: petulant and uncompromising.  Those are nice for the House, but they're destructive when you're trying to garner between 50 and 60 senate votes.

Why not Grayson? 

136 isnt this whole affair predicated on the context? I figured Rahm was just stating a fact that the Democrats were "fucking retarded" meaning sex with their constituents.

137 Just some stupid slang post that was made back in December 2009.


Well, if Hillary Clinton can be named after an event that happened six years after her birth, Trig can be named after a single unsourced internet posting a year and a half after his birth.

138 Once again, any post about Andrew Sullivan should be prefaced with the reminder that he solicited unprotected sex knowing he was HIV positive. 

139 Is it not perfectly possible that The Atlantic continues to employ this poor man in the throes of AIDS dementia as a form of mockery of gay people and AIDS victims?

140

Palin really pissed those fuckers off with the styrofoam columns bit.

That must have really stung.

And the gall of carrying a Down's baby to term is apparently unforgivable.

141

What, in the name ov Tyrgve Lie is that nincompoop Sullivan talking about....?

Somehow, SOMEHOW.....Sarah Palin is supposed to be too f...ing stupid to page down to the T's in a baby name book to select that name....

But, as an extra special...."lets make fun of the baby his whole life long" kind of way, she was tenacious enough to page around 45 pages deep into an arcane Google search of "Obscure Slurs That Can Be Fun To Use When Referring To Downs Syndrome Children" to scare up the name Trig...and yet, other than Sullivan's article....that obscure slure that is "often used" is still unfindable through any ordinary web search...

This guy Sullivan must be the Tent Pole of the Atlantic contributors....

142 I have no fucking idea what it will take to dislodge the tumor of expert ignorance from Sullivan's pot-pocked brain.

I'm pretty sure the tumor is his brain.  Great post, ace.  If I'm ever made King for a day my first act will be to deport this waste of oxygen to Yemen.

143 35 I did look up the name "andrew sullivan"; its norse, for seaman sucker.

Posted by: Guy Fawkes at February 03, 2010 03:44 PM (DIYmd)

You mean "semen sucker."

144

Wow. Sully slipped the surly bonds of sanity, and punched delusion in the face with this one

145
if Hillary Clinton can be named after an event that happened six years after her birth, Trig can be named after a single unsourced internet posting a year and a half after his birth.

OMIGOD, they stole Karl Rove's (that magnificent bastard) time machine!

146 Why not Grayson?

Because he doesn't live in Kentucky?

I know residency's not important when kids/spouse want a Senate seat, but it kinda is in the House.

147 Let Me be clear - I am not really posting, hiding under the pseudonym "Andrew Sullivan."

148

Well, I just did find a site about medical slang that shows he didn't make it up out of thin air. 

This comment section isn't letting me post a link, but you can find it at the first result when you google "trisomy g slang"

It's a site called SlangRN

149 Sarah's older son (who, by the way, is a veteran combat soldier who knows how to kill men with his bare hands) is named Tripp.  Tri-PP.  We're to believe that she thought it'd be cute to name one son Tripp so that, if years later she conceived a Down Syndrome baby, she could mock his disease by naming him Tri-G and then she'd have a Tripp and a Trig.

As long as we're taking a detour down the low road, may Andrew Sullivan's next weekly HIV test come back positive.

150 Andy is a Gobsmacked Tallywack

151 Actually, "trisomy g" is referenced on Wikipedia for Down Syndrome

But is the supposed "often-used" abbreviation in there?

152 Andrew Sullivan is a Fucking Cock Sucker, and I don't mean that metaphorically.

153
Nice non-sequiter.  You said it and you know you were trying to state what someone else deserves.  So nice non-sequiter to you too.

she's going to be a divisive voice come 2012, not a promoter of the party.  Good, we shouldn't promote the party, but the individuals of the party who have conservative values and ideas.

I don't begrudge her.  I bet you do, but I don't want to put out any non-sequiters.

Finally, your link doesn't work.

154

Come up for some air idiots.

No one is denying that Trisomy G isn't a valid term

Andy Butt boy Sullivan is asserting that TRIG is a term that is used commonly to shorten Trisomy G.

TOTAL FICTION.  SHOW ME OTHERWISE.

Andrew Sullivan is a lying butt fucking piece of shit.  Simple as that.
Why on earth would Sullivan make such an absurd assertion?

Because he is a BUTT FUCKING SHIT who hates Sarah Palin, because Sarah Palin is MORAL.

155 You think someone suffering from AIDS-related dementia would be more offended by "retard."

156 Mippilis

And? I rather have limited government. Bush was a "compassionate conservative" which isn't associated with either small government nor is it associated with fiscal conservative. I want a limited government in every respect and I to this date like everyone else think Homeland Security is fucking retarded and that was a huge expansion of government. With healthcare reform, that will dwarf everything and I oppose it no matter what. Especially if there was calls to reduce or eliminate entitlements, you can expect Paul to vote for it. So I'll take him. Again I repeat, fuck off.

157 Erg! You little turd chaser. You been enjoying the elections in Mass?

158 Ugh. Actually, "trisomy g" is referenced on Wikipedia for Down Syndrome. The reference isn't sourced to anything

Nobody disputes that trisomy g is another term for Downs. Although Wikipedia doesn't source it, I've found plenty of substantiation from medical web sites online.

But Ace isn't disputing that established fact -- he's disputing Sullivan's assertion that "Trig" or
Tri-g" are medical slang for trisomy g. The clearly aren't, and like Ace, I've looked everywhere. All you'll find is some speculation in the comments from HuffPo, which is undoubtedly where Sullivan got the idea.

And he'll never correct this lie.

159

Because he doesn't live in Kentucky?

Uhh, the secretary of state of the state of Kentucky doesn't live in Kentucky?

160 But honestly who gives a fuck anyway? What's his stupid point?

I don't know, but I got a lot of rope over here.

161 Excellent read. I laugh out loud when people quote this asshole...and of course those who quote are as narrow-minded as he is.

162 Andy gives flamboyantly gay people a bad name.

163 Crusty - Actually, I think it is "Track"

FUBAR - what about during Fleet Week ?

164

Do yourselves a favor,  WIKIPEDIA "COCK SUCKER".

It's there too.

165 Re; Sullivan's continued psychosis when it comes to Trig and the circumstances surrounding the day of his birth - the problem is that most childless people believe the "Hollywood" version of labor.  You know, the woman has one minor contraction, everyone freaks out, she is rushed to the hospital in a panic, and out pops the baby.  It would actually be nice if labor was anything like this rather than the reality - which essentially consists of nervously hanging around the house all day waiting for the contractions to be intense enough and close enough together to even consider finally making your way to the hospital, where you'll spend another God knows how many hours until the baby arrives.

166 Kaitian: Nice.  Enjoy Senator Mongiardo down there.  Hopefully he's not the secret terrorist Bunning always knew he was.

167 Excuse me, but did Levi Johnston catch AIDS from Andrew Sullivan or from Charles Johnson, or is there no way to know?

168

@ 140 Here's my favorite parts of her speech:

"This is a man who can give an entire speech about the wars America is fighting and never use the word "victory," except when he's talking about his own campaign.

But when the cloud of rhetoric has passed, when the roar of the crowd fades away, when the stadium lights go out, and those Styrofoam Greek columns are hauled back to some studio lot...when that happens, what exactly is our opponent's plan? What does he actually seek to accomplish after he's done turning back the waters and healing the planet?

The answer -- the answer is to make government bigger, and take more of your money, and give you more orders from Washington, and to reduce the strength of America in a dangerous world.

America needs more energy; our opponent is against producing it. Victory in Iraq is finally in sight, and he wants to forfeit. Terrorist states are seeking nuclear weapons without delay; he wants to meet them without preconditions.

Al Qaida terrorists still plot to inflict catastrophic harm on America, and he's worried that someone won't read them their rights.

169 132 Gaelic is often spelled Gaylick.

Not that there's anything wrong with that.

It's pronounced 'GAL- ick, not 'GAY-lick'. 

( nothing wrong with that, either )

170 Oh.  Wrong Grayson.  Carry on.

171 149  Sarah's older son's name is Track.  It's Bristol's son who is named Tripp.

172 And another thing:

If-- IF-- she really did this, why is he just writing about it now?  Convenient timing, no? You just know he gloms onto anything and everything anti-Palin, and I find it difficult to believe that he just now discovered this.

173 This is a partial list of the original writers for the Atlantic magazine:

Henry Wadsworth Longfellow, Harriet Beecher Stowe, Ralph Emerson and Oliver Wendell Holmes.

Fast forward 150 yrs and The Atlantic is represented by Andrew Sullivan.

174 So is this the beginning of another "attack and denigrate Sarah Palin" campaign?  I knew it was coming.  When clusterstock posts her facebook comments on their blog that means too many people see it, WS people, and others, not just conservatives on blogs.  So that would be alarming to "them".
Just had to really search for that article and this morning it was right there, no problem.  You have to know you are looking for it.  This is about the third thing I pointed out today that gets buried.

175 I support breastfeeding wholeheartedly.

176 Who the fuck is Mongiardo? Oh right I'm from Washington State where we have three fucking retards which I'm pretty sure they have some strain of Down's Syndrome. Want to know who they are?

Their names are:
Maria Cantwell
Patty Murray
Cristine Gregoire

177

I did not give Levi Johnston AIDS - he gave it to me, via Andrew Sullivan.

 

Not that there's anything wrong with that....

178 charles johnson is cheating on his wife perez with kos now, what a disgusting crew those assholes are! I hope they all die a painful death from aids.

179 "hompohobic"  I like that.  So Andy is teh hompo, then.

180

Kaitian:  So you know nothing about Kentucky, but you know all about having idiotic senators?  Grayson has a far more comfortable lead over Dem opponents, far more name recognition and established record, and isn't prone to succumbing to Paultardism. 

Mongiardo is the Dem candidate who ran in 2004, and almost beat Bunning, the outgoing Senator.  He'll beat Paul, because any Paul is just a Paultard waiting to be discovered.

 

181 Oh, snap!  Politico is reporting, and Drudge is linking to it, that the Special Olympics does NOT accept the tiny dancer's apology.  Tee hee

182

Again, if you google "trisomy g slang" (these comments don't seem to allow me to post links) the first result is a site called SlangRN. 

The entry for "tri 21" says:

Definition: Shorthand for Trisomy 21 or Down Syndrome- a chromosomal disorder caused by the presence of all or part of an extra 21st chromosome. Usage: The newborn exhibits tell tale signs of tri-21. Synonyms: trisomy 21, trisomy g, tri-g

Created Dec 10, 2009

183 The medical term for Down Syndrome is Trisomy-21 or Trisomy-g. It is often shortened in medical slang to Tri-g.

He.  Managed.  To.  Get.  More.  Insane.  I've got to give him that, I didn't think he could. It's spectacular in a terrible way.

God, I feel sorry for his dogs.  Seriously, I hope someone is checking to see that they're getting fed and given water and taken for walks. 

184 I don't understand how sucking dick makes you an expert on vaginas.

185 Palin is an idiot for endorsing a Paultard.  She's fine on a lot of stuff, but this should make people question her grasp on how politics works outside of Alaska.

186 Andi's brain is mush. How can he accuse Trig of getting "reared" by someone with a straight face?

But did you notice how he did that? You see, he said Trig is being "reared" by Bristol, not that she gave birth to him. Clever. As if Palin can't find a professional to watch Trig in the hotel room while she's giving a speech or whatever, she has to rip her daughter (who also has an infant) away from home to "rear" her child as well.

But he didn't technically say Bristol gave birth to Trig. Got that Atlantic? He's just following your rules.

187 Great for you. Again I repeat, I'll take any R over any Democrat who can win. You were first worried about a Paul being elected to the seat despite the fact he carries an R and is a threat to any government expansionism. Now you're saying Paul won't be elected because the Democrats has a comfortable lead over Paul? Changing the goal post much?

188 WOW.  Ace has really rediscovered his inner rant-bastard.  And that's good.

Unless you happen to be his target.  Sullivan's not going to be able to sit down for a while . . . whoops!

The only problem with this is that it's still not as nasty as Milky Loads deserves.

And yes, by 2012, it will become commonly accepted knowledge that "tri-g" is of course a common abbreviation for Down's syndrome.  Just like it became commonly accepted knowledge that of course the tea partiers gave themselves the name "teabaggers".

189

Many people use the term Sullivan as a metaphor for men having sex with each other.

Many people.

190 Of course, the SlangRN entry was added just this past December, and apparently can be added by anyone.  So it doesn't mean it's actually used in hospitals. 

191 BWWWAAAHHHHHH!!! Thankfully my boss is at lunch, so my cackling is not being questioned.

192 My sister of 32 years has Down's and I've never heard of it referred to as "Tri-g". Not once.

193 OT, kinda, but does anyone else get the feeling that Allah has taken permanent leave from HA?

194 168

make the government bigger, and take more of your money, and give you more orders from Washington, and to reduce the strength of America in a dangerous world.

America needs more energy; our opponent is against producing it. Victory in Iraq is finally in sight, and he wants to forfeit. Terrorist states are seeking nuclear weapons without delay; he wants to meet them without preconditions.

Al Qaida terrorists still plot to inflict catastrophic harm on America, and he's worried that someone won't read them their rights.

Posted by: TheThinMan at February 03, 2010 04:19 PM (W3XUk)

 

Man, every single thing she said in that speech has come to pass. So much for all the idiots who are now saying 'I never would've seen this coming!'

195 184 I don't understand how sucking dick makes you an expert on vaginas.

Posted by: Dr. Spank at February 03, 2010 04:24 PM (0FiCa)

One is a hole you stick a penis in.  The other is a vagina.

196 181 Oh, snap!  Politico is reporting, and Drudge is linking to it, that the Special Olympics does NOT accept the tiny dancer's apology.  Tee hee
Posted by: Peaches

They are pissed that the retarded were compared to Democrats.

197 My mother spent 32 years working in elementary special education and I have never heard that "slang" term in my life.

198 193 OT, kinda, but does anyone else get the feeling that Allah has taken permanent leave from HA?

Posted by: Peaches at February 03, 2010 04:28 PM (9Wv2j)

I don't know, but the break from the constant Devil's Advocate-type posts is sort of nice.

199 Just to help point out Teh Stoopid:

I am an anesthetist, and spent 15 years before that as a pediatric nurse, 9/10 of that critical care and cardiac critical care.  Down's children tend to have lots of medical difficulties, one of the more common of which is heart defects.  So, to say I've had my fair share of patients with Down's syndrome in the past 15 years would be an understatement.

And I have never once, not ever, heard this Tri-G shit that MilkyLoads Sullivan is spewing.  He is.. what's that phrase? Full of shit.  With one end dented in.
I'd like to slap that bitch so hard the purse falls off his shoulder.

200 Reading Sullivan's prose always makes me deeply angry.

This guy's location is known, right?  He has an address; hell, he's probably in the phone book.

So here's what I suggest:  we go visit him.  All of us.  Everyone in America who admires Sarah Palin.  All at once.  And shout at him, together.

He will die of fear.

201 "184 I don't understand how sucking dick makes you an expert on vaginas."

Maybe he declared himself an expert on vaginas after his many experiences with servicing gloryholes.

202

Kaitian:  I'm saying/have said: a) Rand Paul is driven by self-interest first, which will not be of help to the GOP as a senator, b) he has a marginal lead over prospective opponents, whereas Grayson (R, SecState KY) has a comfortable lead and better name recognition and is equally conservative without the crazy, and c) Paul is not really an (R), and Grayson is the better conservative candidate to represent the party in the Senate.

If Paul is the (R) nominee, the KY senate election will become about how crazy the Pauls are and will drive the election to Mongiardo, or whoever wins the Dem primary.

Palin's endorsement of Paul reflects an inability to assess races with any long-term perspective.

203 I don't know, but the break from the constant Devil's Advocate-type posts is sort of nice.

Well, yeah, I'm not complaining.  He's gotten very controlling lately.  I just find it odd that they roll out half a dozen new front page bloggers and he hasn't posted anything since the weekend. 

204 Pfft. I still don't know who Andrew Sullivan is.  I'll bet 100% of my friends don't either (except for my most liberal friends, but even then, I dunno).  The only reason I've heard of this nutcase is through this site, and ya know, I'm pretty sure what I read here is about all I need to know (and that's probably too much as it is). 

205 193 OT, kinda, but does anyone else get the feeling that Allah has taken permanent leave from HA?
One can dream.

206

Posted by: Kaitian at February 03, 2010 04:31 PM (KcNBo)

Glad YOU said that. I don't want to have to explain what a "gloryhole" is.

207 202 Mippilis,

Sarah is just dandy so stop beating her to death, I personally don't give a damn what you think about her, who the fuck are you anyway......nobody!

208 I typed in "trisomy-g" "tri-g" to see if anything would come up when the two were put together for a google search and got mostly lefty blogs talking about it, and a few righty ones, too.

There's also something called tri-g website design.

http://www.tri-g-web.com/

They might want to change that name, now that Sullivan has exposed the true meaning of the term.

209 The only fucking retard is Andrew Sullivan. 

210 Andi Ventura- Cooter Detective.

211


Wahm is WEE-todd-did

212 Based on my experience as the brother of a down syndrome sister I will bet that Trig, at age 30, will have a better grasp of reality that Sullivan does today.

213 You "trig" a wheel so it doesn't roll....and "Trig" was the shorthand for "Trigonometry" when I was formally edumakated...But I can honestly say I've never heard of a Downs Syndrome child (or any mentally retarded child, for that matter) ever referred to as "Trig".

Andrew just keeps on making up shit and wrapping himself in it for us all to enjoy on a regular basis.  I doubt strongly the man(?) would ever step up to Sarah Palin - face to face - and remain standing long! 

His mouth keeps writing checks that his ass can't cash!

214 Isn't there a disease that people like Sullivan can get that affect their thinking before they know they have it?

215 206 Glad YOU said that. I don't want to have to explain what a "gloryhole" is.

No problem!

216 212 Based on my experience as the brother of a down syndrome sister I will bet that Trig, at age 30, will have a better grasp of reality that Sullivan does today.

Sullivan will be 6 feet under by the time Trig hits 30 anyways.

217 She has learned how to play the game. She has the white house on the defensive. She has no use for political correctness but she does have a use for basic common decency towards other human beings. Ask anyone who works with special needs children if they think it is a big deal to call them retarded. IT IS.

218 It is pretty widely known among proctologists that A N-Dru is the clinical term for pokin around in sphincters, however.

219 Wow!  Ding, ding, ding on the donation button.  That was worth $10 in donations to the hobo hunting cause.  Obama would have taken it anyway.

220

169 It's pronounced 'GAL- ick, not 'GAY-lick'. 

I took a couple semesters of Gaeilge(Gaelic).  It is "gay lick".  

221 163 Crusty - Actually, I think it is "Track"

FUBAR - what about during Fleet Week ?
Posted by: Holdfast

I stand corrected.  All those Alaskans look alike to me.

Where was I.   Oh yeah, Track is gonna come down on Andrew Sullivan like the Germans on Pearl Harbor!

222

I've always thought it was amusing the reasons the MSM came up for Sarah to have pictures taken with Trig.

Not hard to understand, since Liberals would never actually be PROUD of a child like him.

We love you Sarah.

223 I have come up with a medical condition that I will recommend to Dr. Andrew Sullivan, Amniotic Expert, OB/GYN, Vagina Researcher, PhD. Dr. Sullivan has a mental condition exclusively only for him called "Gloryholatis". It comes from his severe addition of servicing over 1,000 gloryholes while writing for "The Atlantic". I recommend that he be committed to a mental hospital in order to get the very best possible care in order to treat his condition... in a nice padded room.

224 Corn nuts stapled to the hog.  A San Francisco treat.

225 That may have been the best rant I've ever read here.

226 225,

AMEN!

227 Going on record as a card carrying faggot, that "favorite beverage" line is the funniest thing I've heard all week .

228

169 It's pronounced 'GAL- ick, not 'GAY-lick'. 

I took a couple semesters of Gaeilge(Gaelic).  It is "gay lick".

Not in Ireland

229 I believe an Anal Dick Insertion is called an Andi.

230 ...to withstand the potent temptation to staple corn-nuts to my hog.

That would be soooo cool. I can almost see the Corn Nuts bike now.

231 Andrew needs to get that grain of sand out of his vagina....er anus.

232 That's fucking fabulous.

233

I typed in "trisomy-g" "tri-g" to see if anything would come up when the two were put together for a google search and got mostly lefty blogs talking about it, and a few righty ones, too.

There's also something called tri-g website design.

Upthread I already located a medical slang web site that lists "tri-g".  The site is called SlangRN, which is a web site about medical slang. 

The entry is for "tri 21". 

Definition: Shorthand for Trisomy 21 or Down Syndrome- a chromosomal disorder caused by the presence of all or part of an extra 21st chromosome. Usage: The newborn exhibits tell tale signs of tri-21. Synonyms: trisomy 21, trisomy g, tri-g

The entry was created in December, 2009.  Apparently anyone can post entries to the site.  So, it doesn't mean it is a widely-used or a used-at-all slang term in hospitals.  But, there ya go. 

234 Excellent dismantling of this dispicable POS.

235 "...to withstand the potent temptation to staple corn-nuts to my hog." - Ace -

Damn it! You owe me another keyboard and monitor, Ace! You should show us mortals some consideration and WARN us when you're gonna fire off a large-caliber funny...

236 I continue to be baffled at how one of the gayest men on the planet -- ranking like a 7.3 on the Kinsley scale of 6 -- propounds weekly on arcane-only-to-him topics of childbirth, motherhood, and the Mysteries of Forbidden Vagina.

Professor Alfred Kinsey quantified a bunch of stuff about sex. Michael Kinsley founded Slate.

--
Your friendly neighborhood nit-picker.

237 OK, I give up: why IS "retarded" offensive, deeply hurtfull, yaddi yaddi yadda?

Retarded means impaired, not up to full speed due to reasons that might be called "challenges."

Just because some morons used the term "mentally retarded" as an insult doesn't suddenly make a legitimate word immoral to use. To believe that is truly mentally challenged.

238 Of course, the SlangRN entry was added just this past December, and apparently can be added by anyone. So it doesn't mean it's actually used in hospitals.

Plus, it was added just TWO days after someone first made the claim that "TRI-G is indeed medical slang for Down Syndrome" on HuffPo:

http://tinyurl.com/yhtrjen

Furthermore, SlangRN appears to be a HUMOR site chock full of entries like "Avatar Blues," defined as "The depression experienced by a select few people after having viewed James Cameron's 2009 box office hit movie 'Avatar" -- see here:

http://slangrn.com/definition/avatar-blues

239 It would be interesting to find out if the "tri 21" entry on the SlangRN medical slang web site - which lists "tri-g" as a synonym - was planted there by a Trig Truther or is actually a widely used slang term in hospitals.  The entry was suspiciously posted two months ago on the SlangRN site.   Perhaps someone planted that there and then emailed Sullivan with the theory. 

240

It's as credible as the idea that she gave a speech while having contractions, several hours after going into labor, as she claims in her novel.

Really? Really?

My wife and I caught dinner and a movie while she was having contractions.

241

Plus, it was added just TWO days after someone first made the claim that "TRI-G is indeed medical slang for Down Syndrome" on HuffPo

Good find!   Yeah, I don't believe it's a widely-used slang term either. 

242 Just as a point of reference, I know a Cantor who's water broke in the middle of Yom Kippur services. She finished the morning service, which lasted for an additional hour+, and then drove herself to the hospital. No, it's not the same as flying from Texas to Alaska (I'll admit to thinking that's a little extreme myself, but that's just my opinion), but shit like this does happen. Expectant mothers do know how to manage themselves in extreme situations, if warranted.

Sully's off his nut. And that quote from Treacher about Sullivan's favorite drink was priceless. That's truly demented, in the best of ways!

243

288 Not in Ireland

Not according to my gaeltacht reared, native speaking professor.

244 I hate even hearing about that bloviating bloba but that was an AWESOME RANT. Thanks Ace!

245

Ace,

You have such a way with words, 'play it like a symphony'.

246 It's pronounced 'GAL- ick, not 'GAY-lick'.

I once saw a protective cup advertised as antifungal.  Anti-fun-gal is right.  No way she's getting to the jewels when you have that thing on.

247 it's a good thing that girl removed her twitters

248 Looks like Sully is bucking for Olby's job.

249 Ace, very nice rant.

250 16 I could go the rest of my life without hearing the name Levi Johnson.  Or Andi Sullivan, for that matter.

Posted by: Jane D'oh! at February 03, 2010 03:39 PM (UOM4

Or John Edwards.

251 243

288 Not in Ireland

Not according to my gaeltacht reared, native speaking professor.

It depends on where you is or was in Ireland:  which dialect

It's the old 'doil / dawl' debate.  It seems the new preferred Anglicized, Trinity College-approved pronunciation is as you say. 

252 Well done, Ace. One of your better ones.

""Someone needs to explain to Andrew Sullivan that his favorite beverage is sometimes used to make babies.""

Bwahahahahaha!

253

Wasn't the first Secretary-General of the UN named <i>Trygvie Lie?</i>

 

254 A comment has been added to that SlangRN entry so that anyone who attempts to rely on it for the proposition that "Tri-g" is slang for Trisomy G will realize that it was a slur planted by a HuffPo reader and perpetuated by Sullivan.

255 Well, here is a reliable source listing it as an alternative name

http://tiny.cc/wpn44. I've never used or seen used this alternative name for Trisomy 21. "Tri-g" searches do not reveal it as a common abbreviation for the same.

256

Excellent spout, Ace.  From here on out, I'm not going to use the word 'retarded', I'm going to use the word 'Rahm'.  I will no longer say, 'that's so gay'.  I will now say 'That's so Andy'.

 

257 "Someone needs to explain to Andrew Sullivan that his favorite beverage is sometimes used to make babies."

Great line!

258 T.rust
R.eagan's
I.lluminati
G.overnment

HOLY SHIT SHIT HOLY SHIT

SOMEONE TELL Dr Sullivan!

259 Aids dementia, steroid dementia, and chronic.  The boy's pretty much on a Paranoia Binge.

260 185 Palin is an idiot for endorsing a Paultard.  She's fine on a lot of stuff, but this should make people question her grasp on how politics works outside of Alaska. Posted by: Mippilis at February 03, 2010 04:25 PM

Please Do Not Feed the Concern Troll

261 55 Well, here is a reliable source listing it as an alternative name

http://tiny.cc/wpn44 is an attack site.

262 fwiw - and it's probably not much -

I sent an email to The Atlantic's Bob Cohn - per the masthead, he's TheAtlantic.com honcho - asking him whether or not it's okay for his bloggers to just make up facts to support their obsessions.

I'm not questioning Andrew's right to post his opinions - I framed it as a "Check with Andrew regarding his claim about "Tri-G" being often used medical slang, if Andrew can support that claim, fine.  If not, please have him say as much on your - Bob Cohn's - website.

-

It's astromonically unlikely that will do anything.  But, hell. it's worth a shot.

263 Well, here is a reliable source listing it as an alternative name

Again, NOBODY DISPUTES that "Trisomy G" is an alternative name for Trisomy 21. The ONLY issue is whether "Trig" or "Tri-g" have ever been used as slang terms for Trisomy G. It is very clear that they have NOT.

264 Shut him down Ace!

265 239 It would be interesting to find out if the "tri 21" entry on the SlangRN medical slang web site - which lists "tri-g" as a synonym - was planted there by a Trig Truther or is actually a widely used slang term in hospitals.  The entry was suspiciously posted two months ago on the SlangRN site.   Perhaps someone planted that there and then emailed Sullivan with the theory. 

Posted by: franticflintstone at February 03, 2010 05:01 PM (VGbp5)

I will bet you a buck that Andi planted it himself

266

As the mother of a child with Down syndrome AND the New Parent Packet Coordinator for our local DS group for the past 6 years, I can say with absolute certainty that the term "Tri-G" is not used by either the National DS Society OR the National DS Congress in ANY of their literature to refer to Down syndrome/Trisomy 21.

Yes, my daughter is mentally retarded - she has an extra chromosome.  What's Rahm's excuse (cuz it takes one to know one....)?

267

It's astromonically unlikely that will do anything.  But, hell. it's worth a shot.

If any of you happens to be an actual sibscriber, they do seem to take subscriber's complaints seriously. 

I used to sibscribe to the magazine, and when Sullivan was first going off the rails with his Trig Trutherism, I called the magazine.  They put subscribers right through to someone on the phone.  And they seemed to be concerned with my complaint.  Now, sure, maybe they were blowing smoke up my ass, but at least the nice woman on the phone seemed to totally agree with me.  I gently told her that I like the magazine but don't need to subscribe to it, and that I don't want to give money to a magazine that is attacking someone's baby is such sick fashion.  I told them I'd cancel if the bizarre atacks on Palin's cildren continue, because there is no way that can be justified as good journalism. 

And, well, they did seem to try and get Sullivan to chill out, but they failed.  So, obviously, I had to cancel.   Too bad, because it's a pretty good magazine overall. 

But, yeah, if you are still a subscriber, they put you right through to someone when you have a complaint. 

268 This fucking enraged me. What a fucking disgusting douche Sullivan is.

269

"Event Horizon of Stupid"

I give this snark a solid A+.

270 Outstanding!  And you can bet that there are lefties who will pretend now that everyone knows "Tri-G" is a commonly used abbreviation, just as "Maccaca" is a commonly used racial slur.

For what it's worth, I can believe that Sarah Palin once privately referred to Trig as her "retard baby" in that way that most people might occasionally indulge in gallows humor amongst their most intimate acquaintances.  I also believe that if this happened, that it was accompanied by the kisses and hugs of a loving mother's most fervent devotions.

271 The medical term for Down Syndrome is Trisomy-21 or Trisomy-g. It is often shortened in medical slang to Tri-g.

How soon before Obama uses this reference in a speech?

272

251 It depends on where you is or was in Ireland:  which dialect

yeah true.  donegal vs cork for instance.

273 212 Based on my experience as the brother of a down syndrome sister I will bet that Trig, at age 30, will have a better grasp of reality that Sullivan does today.

Trig has a better grasp of reality than that fucktard Sullivan now.

274 Andi the Obsessive-Demented: "It is often shortened in medical slang to Tri-g."

Well then. That settles it. It's just so obvious.

BTW, you can't have AnDrew SullIvan without AIDS. It's science.

Thank heaven that the only thing AnDrew SullIvan will ever birth is mockable imbecility.

275 Andrew has GoingDown Syndrome

276

I continue to be baffled at how one of the gayest men on the planet -- ranking like a 7.3 on the Kinsley scale of 6 -- propounds weekly on arcane-only-to-him topics of childbirth, motherhood, and the Mysteries of Forbidden Vagina.

Yeah it was funny watching asshole Andi on the Chris Matthews Show(*)  tearing into birthers. It's hilarious listening to him complain about those crazy people who want to see  Barack's birth certificate.

 

* Not Hardball  but the one on Sunday which  in my area is on NBC right after Meet The Press

 

277 As a parent with a Down Syndrome 10 yr old daughter I have a couple some points:   1) I really don't get worked up over the "R" word, but that's for individuals to ponder to their own tolerance. I personally don't use the word.   2) what does get me is Emanuel's use of the word preceding "retard" ... FUCKING retarded.  You see, to me at least, that meant he DID use the word as a curse word (retarded). The word retarded in and of itself is a clinical term that has morphed from a description of a lack in mental capabilities to anyone another person just can't, himself, mentally deal with. For Rahm to put 'fucking' before the word dragged the term down to the level of completely useless and unworthy. (if any of that makes sense as I try to put it into words)   3) Emanuel is a fucking coward. I have YET to see HIM come before the cameras and apologize for the idiocy (hey, guess what? I understand this remark came during some non-public meeting or somesuch. Poor Rahm's been Trent Lotted, eh?) Anyhow, the closest but no cigar moment I saw was some flunky of Bobby Gibbs's issuing the apology on his behalf. That dog won't hunt, shitheels.   4) The fact that the Kennedy clone of the Special Olympics accepted (although I'm to understand he is now not accepting) Rahm's apology if bullshit. My kid isn't a member of the Special Olympics. MOST special needs kids and adults aren't. Get your fucking Chicago ballerina weasel ass out before the cameras and apologize or just admit you meant the insult completely.  Man-up, Rahm, you evil dick-hole.   5) Sullivan can suck sewage

278 "Retarded" isn't an insult when it is used to describe retarded people, while "retard" is.

I worked with developmentally delayed people (that's what you're supposed to call them now) for fifteen years and "retarded" is simply a clinical classification of their mental abilities.

Currently, the word "retarded" isn't used much since some see it as insulting, as I stated above, the current term is "developmentally delayed" (previously it was "mentally handicapped," "developmentally disabled" and a host of other things, each of which becomes insulting to the people who work with retarded people and are ashamed of them for being retarded).

The kicker is that the word "retarded" means pretty much the exact same thing as "delayed." So, once again we're calling them "retarded," we're just using a different word for it.

279

 @89 Posted by: Average Jen at February 03, 2010 04:00

I started labor with my third child while my husband and I were partying with friends on the 4th of July. My husband," Let me know when we need to go." Me," Yep."

Ace is right. Sullivan doesn't know the first thing about females or reproduction....., and all of womenkind says" Thank you, God!"

 

280 I really do hope that Andi keeps writing dumb shit so that Ace can continue to pwn him.

281 38-fuc k off, Steve Schmidt.

282 38, 97--confirmed; this pile of shit is a RINO troll.

283

Ace:  I'm haven't even bothered to read this post beyond the corn-nuts part yet, and I already salute you.  Hope the rest lives up the "lede."

 

284 Andrew Sullivan, my "retard" daughter thinks you're a fag.  There how does that feel?

285 At least Trig has a birth certificate.

286 Ace, please stop paying attention to Andrew.   He's acting up because he wants the attention.  Ignore him and he'll go away. 

You can't possibly find him more repulsive than I do.  Stop enabling him.

287 "29 Are andy and charles fuckhead really joined together humping with charles wife perez guiding them?"

There is no connection between them.  Andy may be suffering from ARD and chucky...
Well unfortunately he is suffering from Mad Cow Disease.  You see one nice day a few years ago, he was bicycling down a country road and there was this really cute heifer that caught his eye and he caught hers.  Well one thing led to another and soon things were consummated so to speak.  After all that physical activity from bicycling and stuff, chucky was feeling a might peckish, so he ate the cow.

You morons didn't think you could get MCD from sex did you?  No, you have to eat the cow afterward.

288

Slightly off-topic, but i went to daily dish to look for other inanities.  Scroll to "face of the day" , wherein Sullivan credulously posts a picture of a pakistani Sufi smoking a "cannibis cigarette".    a casual glance shows the cigarette is filtered.... are pakistanis so health conscious they filter their joints??

On to AFP/Getty , enter sufi in search engine and presto, two Pix with identical captions... 1 with the filter ciggy smoker, another with a handrolled joint ( a third picture shows someone loading a joint).

How stupid is sullivan that he doesn't notice this before posting, and how lazy is AFP/Getty  that they conserve captions by putting them under two totally different subjects??

Not sure whether its more a knock on Dr. Sulliavn or the media, but i feel better having vented my spleen.

 

 

289 My keyboard thanked me profusely for the fact that I was NOT drinking any liquid of any sort when I read Ace's post....

290 Ace, marry me.  Sullivan, go to hell.  That is all.

291 I have built a wall to protect Sarah in my mind from these rope suckers on the left moonbat side, so no worries many of us will protect her until she is sworn in as the 45th President of the United States!

Posted by: 'Nam Grunt at February 03, 2010 04:03 PM (IIHY9) 

GOD BLESS 'NAM GRUNT.

292 Is erg still around? I wanted to ask him  'What is the best way to manage my telecom expenses and get control over my telecom environment'? Or maybe 'How can I be sure that the providers and solutions you recommend will not present service nightmares?'

These are things I'd really like to know.

293

But Sullivan himself shrieks like little girl who just watched her pony get raped by the road crew for GWAR

What...you think Oderus would let the roadies have all the fun?!

294 Ok, akkkkk.  The beverage quote form Treacher just made me laugh and gag all at once, which is actually quite difficult.  Oh how I adore Treacher.

295 If ever a man deserved to be called a "c*nt", it's Excitable Andi.

296 What's with your fixation with Andrew Sullivan? He is an invisible nobody, and he is irrelevant. Your obsession with him is bizarre. The guy is neurotic, and both mentally and emotionally unstable. By fixating on him, you're acting as loony as he is. I'll bet he is flattered, though. He probably believes that you have a crush on him ................................, which raises the question, do you?

297 Even DU thinks he's full of shit about "Tri-G"
http://tinyurl.com/yg22h8r

298 Why should we expect anything decent coming from Sullivan's mouth?

299 Wow.. almost 300 comments and no one said that Andi's head is full of semen?

300 A little known fact: Andrew Sullivan is homophobic.

301 Another little known fact: Andrew Sullivan is a phobichomo.

302 Like Alice Cooper and Marilyn Manson, Andrew Sullivan is now left with no way to make the kind of money he's used to without being The Andrew Sullivan (so well described by Ace).

He's stuck with his schtick, and when the income falls below a certain level, he'll be forced to resort to self-parody for hire.

He won't be able to follow the Coop.  The Coop has done very well.  Same as Shatner.

No, this won't end well for Mr. Sullivan.

303   Thinks this would sell if a Republican attacked a Dem politician who was the mothe of a Down syndrome infant? No, sorry, the bab woul've been aborted.

304 I've actually dropped most PC bullshit. I'm never running for office, since I doubt I could stand living in a place that elected someone like me (thanks, Groucho Quote Master!). That means I can afford to be generous with the vituperatin' and such.

I kinda wish Palin had let this one slide, since being anti-PC is one of the cool things many Republicans have going for them.

305 The real secret about M. Sullivan is that he longs to BE Sarah Palin. He'd give both his wizened nuts to have her chassis and her ability to attract ... MEN.

That's why he hates her guts. And every woman with an IQ above room temperature knows it.

306 As a gay man, I'd normally chalk Sullivan's obsessiveness hatred of Palin and his school-boy infatuation with Levi as stereotypical closeted behavior. But he's out and proud and has the HIV status to prove it.

Him pinning his hopes of exposing Palin as a fraud on Levi cannot be explained away by primal man-love lust alone.

It almost seems as though Sullivan believes that if he could just get Levi in the sack, not only would he be momentarily satisfied sexually, but he would also gain some sort of mystic, secret, redneck knowledge about the former governor through some osmotic, Vulcan sharing of fluids that would prove Trig is truly Tri-G.

307

Ace's website monitor just told me that I really should try to type something.

I tried, but, alas, I have trouble with two syllable words.

So instead, I'll give you two one syllable words.

Up yours..

308 Ace's website monitor is scratching his head, and asking, isn't something three syllables, som-eth-ing?

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310 I think I get it, Andy boy is secretly in love with Sarah Palin. Its the only rational means of explaining how she makes him unhinged...

Or, maybe he's just a jerk...

You'd think she was an elected official with power over peoples lives and the economy the way some people react to her.

Hmm, hopefully someday.

311 Palin endorsed the Mini Paultard to keep the Most High Ronulan from thinking of getting back into the 2012 circuit. If Sarah endorses Sonny Boy, Ron might think twice about attacking her.

Palin probably thinks of her Rand Paul money as Protection.

312 why does the Atlantic keep him on???? Any answers??????????

313

You morons didn't think you could get MCD from sex did you?  No, you have to eat the cow afterward.

Posted by: snookered at February 03, 2010 09:15 PM (7Vg6Y)

OK now you are telling me CJ turned into a female Black Widow (or a praying mantis)?

 

314 Sullivan's gay?

315

Best. Bitchslap. Evah.

Andrew Sullivan is truly unworthy of such an awesome example of snark.

316

Just so I've got this straight ...

Sarah Palin is allegedly too dumb to have ever read a random factoid about Norse Mythology...

...But is completely versed in relevent medical terminology to the point of being familiar with coloquialisms...

...and named her own child with malicious intent AND her husband's complicity?

I'd like you too meet some friends of mine from SunnyTown Sanitarium...

 

317 "professional mediawhore and gay softcore-porn icon Levi Johnson."
__________________________

OR Scott Brown, you know, whatever....

Anyways...

Sarah Palin/Fabio 2012!

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319 The only reason this nutter has a job is that AIDS related dementia is covered by ADA and allowing him to write shit like this is "reasonable accommodation".

320 A PubMed seearch for tri-g comes up with zero hits. Pubmed is THE search database for anything medical/biological. If tri-g, Tri-g, tri-G or Tri-G were ever used in a paper's title, abstract or keyword field, it would show up.
Try it yourself:
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/sites/entrez

321 Anyone that thinks it's a coincidence that Trig ended up with his name for any reason other than Trisomy G is a complete idiot. The odds of something like that are astronomical. But then again, the odds of people actually believing that Palin could fly from Texas to Alaska after her water broke is pretty astronomical as well. I guess this is where the stupid congregate.

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Osmanlı Hükümeti Tarafından İlk Kurulan Matbaa Ve Bunun Neşriyatı

B. A. MYSTAKIDIS

Sadeleştirilmiş Metin: Mâlik Yılmaz

Adı geçen makale 1911 yılında İstanbul’da (Constantinople) Ahmet İhsan ve Şerikası Matbaacılık Osmanlı Şirketi tarafından Târih-i Osmâni Encümeni Mecmuasının ayrı basımı olarak yayımlanmıştır. Makalenin Fransızca adı ‘La Premiére Imprimerie Turque et ses Publications’tur.

Makalede, Osmanlı Hükümetinin desteği ve himayesiyle 1726 yılında İbrahim Müteferrika tarafından kurulmuş olan ilk Türk matbaası ve bu matbaada basılan eserler hakkında bilgiler verilmiştir. Makale, çoğunlukla yabancı kaynaklara dayanılarak hazırlanmıştır. Mystakidis makalesinde, başlangıçta Osmanlı Devleti’nde matbaa kurmanın zorluğundan bahsederek, İbrahim Mütferrika’nın mevcut çeşitli zorluklara ve engellemelere rağmen matbaasını nasıl kurduğunu, özellikle matbaasını kurarken gerekli olan aletleri ve harfleri nasıl elde ettiğini ve ne şekilde faaliyete geçirdiğini anlatmıştır. Bununla birlikte Müteferrika matbaasında basılan eserlere ilişkin bilgiler vermiştir.

Sultan III. Ahmed’in saltanatının son yıllarına doğru matbaa sanatını Türkiye’ye getiren “İbrahim Müteferrika” hakkında, Tarih-i Osmani Encümeni Mecmuası’nın üçüncü bölümünün 178 –185. sayfalarında nefis bir makale okudum. Topçu Urban’ı inceledikten sonra, Doktor Karaçun Efendi’nin ilme hizmet ettiğini gösteren bu makalede, Osmanlı Devleti’nde matbaacılık, ilk kurulan matbaa ve bu matbaanın kurulması için gerekli olan alet ve harflerin sağlanması, bununla birlikte basılan kitapların adedi, ayrıca Doktor Karaçun Efendi’nin makalesinde konu olan Türkçe ve Fransızca sarf (dilbilgisi-) kitabı için bibliyografik bilgilerle kitabın yazarı hakkında bazı özet bilgileri arz ediyorum.Bu makalenin yazarının asıl amacı, İbrahim Müteferrika’nın durumunu açıklamaktan ibarettir.

Bunun yanı sıra yazar, İbrahim Efendi gibi Macar olan Urban hakkında da iki üç satırdan çok olmamak üzere açıklayıcı bir iki söz söylemiştir. Örneğin, Urban’ın Türklere topu kalıba dökmeği mi veya topun imâl olunmasını mı yoksa top atmağı mı ya da topla nişan almasını mı gösterdiğini açıklamak gerekmektedir. Ayrıca, Bizans ve Türk tarihçilerinin eserlerinde konu ettikleri ve bundan kırk beş yıl önce müzemizin eski müdürü Mösyö Dötye’nin topçuluk tarihiyle ilgili olarak kaleme aldığı birkaç sayfalık makalede, o sırada en büyük top olan Rudman topunu imal etme başarısından dolayı kendileriyle gurur duyan Amerikalılara karşı, Hazreti Fatih’in, Rudman topuyla karşılaştırılmış olan o büyük ve meşhur âlem topunun da adını anmak gerekliydi.

Bundan başka, aynı dönemde yaşayan tarihçilerden bazısı Urban’ı Daçya (eski Romanya) halkından kabul etmektedirler. Urban, Macar olarak kabul olunduğu takdirde, çağdaşı olan bir üçüncü Macar daha vardır ki bu kişi de, geçmişteki hizmetleriyle birlikte anılmakta, ancak ismi verilmemektedir. Bu kişi, anlaşma gereği Hunyad tarafından Hazreti Fatih’in ordugâhına gönderilmiştir. Kaleyi yıkmak için kullanılan yöntemin eksikliklerini görerek topun ne şekilde kullanılacağını öğretmiş ve bu sayede kalenin bir an önce yıkılmasıyla İstanbul’un fethi gerçekleşmiştir.

Fatih Sultan Mehmed’in yazım işlerinde çalışan İmrozlu Kristodolos’un meslektaşım Karolidi Efendi tarafından çevirisi yapılarak mecmua ile yayımlanan tarihinde, Urban’ın ismi anılmıyorsa da, bu eserde topun imal edilişinden ayrıntılı olarak söz edildiğinden burası mecmuanın dördüncü bölümünde çevirisi yapılarak açıklanmıştır.Firmin Dido’nun matbaa hakkındaki görüşleri On beşinci yüzyılda İstanbul’da Museviler tarafından basılmış birkaç kitap yayımlanmıştı.

Fakat Sultan II. Bayezid tarafından çıkarılan ve oğlu Sultan I. Selim’in 1515’de yeniledikleri bir emir üzerine matbaa ilmi ile uğraşmak idam cezası ile yasaklanmıştır. Jojef bin Goriyo’nun “İbrani Tarihi” üzerine yazılmış eseri, İstanbul, 1490 tarihlidir. Diğer eserler ise 1492’den 1598 tarihine kadar olan zaman zarfında yayınlanmıştır. Bunların en önemlisi 1546’da çeşitli dillerde basımı yapılan Tevrat’ın Esfar-ı Hamse kısmıdır. On altıncı yüzyılda Patrik Kirilos Lokaris’in yardımı ile Kefalonyalı Rahip Nikodimus Mütakassas adlı kişi İstanbul’da yeniden bir matbaanın kurulmasına çalışmış ise de bu girişimi Cizvitler tarafından engellenmiştir. 1698’de Ermeniler tarafından Osmanlı Devleti’ne getirilen baskı malzemeleri Sultanın emri ile yeniçeriler tarafından tahrip edilmiştir.

İstanbul’da matbaanın kurulması ancak on sekizinci yüzyılda Osmanlı Hükümeti’nin desteği ve himayesi ile gerçekleşmiştir. Sultan III. Ahmed döneminde, İbrahim Efendi büyük ve sürekli çabalarla hemşehrilerinin ve özellikle de ulemanın o zamana kadar devam eden engellemelerine ve muhalefetlerine karşın 1139 (1726) yılında Layd’tan kalıp getirtmek ve burada harfleri döktürmek için adı geçen Padişahtan izin almıştır. Bu meşhur tarihçi aşağıdaki sözlerden fazla bir bilgi vermiyor. İbrahim Müteferrika tarafından Kurulan bu matbaada ilk basılan kitap Türkçe’den Arapça’ya bir sözlüktür. Bu sözlük, 1726’dan 1728 yılına kadar olan sürede yayınlanmıştır. 1729’da bir de Fransızca’dan Türkçe’ye bir dilbilgisi kitabı basılmıştır. 1744 yılında İbrahim Efendi’nin vefatından sonra bu matbaada bir süre basım işleri gerçekleşmemiştir ancak daha sonra matbaa tekrar faaliyete başlamıştır. 1816 yılında Üsküdar’da bulunan Matbaa-i Amire’ye gerçekleştirdiğim ziyaretim sırasında matbaada muntazam dört makine bulunuyordu. § 1746’da vefat eden ve Paris Kraliyet Kütüphanesi’nde kütüphaneci ve Kollej dö Frans öğretmenlerinden olan Rahip Mihail Furmon‘un Mösyö Mörpü’ye hitaben Sakız’dan göndermiş olduğu 26 Mart 1729 tarihli mektubunda, matbaayı ziyaretinden ve matbaanın pek ağır ve zorluklarla faaliyetine devam ettiğinden, buna sebep olarak da kurucularının bu husustaki cehaleti ve Said Efendi’nin ilgisizliği olduğundan bahsetmektedir.

Ayrıca ziyareti sırasında matbaanın baş mürettip ve hakkakinin ancak Türkçe’yi konuşabilen zavallı bir Bolonyalı Musevi olduğunu ve matbaanın sorumlusunun da Macar ruhbanından iken müslüman olan İbrahim Efendi olduğunu, Said Efendi’nin desteği ve aracılığıyla Enderun-i Hümayun Kütüphaneleri’ni ziyaret etme ümidinde iken, Said Efendi’nin alakadar olmadığını görmesi üzerine fikrinin değiştiğini söylemektedir. § Karaçun Efendi tarafından gerek matbaa ve gerekse de İbrahim Müteferrika hakkında ayrıntılı bilgi verilmiştir.

Ayrıca, hakkâklar, hurufat dökmecileri ve matbaacıların Viyana’dan getirtildiği yazılmış ise de bu konuda Lorek, “Said Efendi gerekli yazıları hazırlamış olup hurufatı İstanbul’da bizzat kestirip döktürmüştür” demektedir. Toderini de, araştırmacıların Türkçe yazılmış tarihlerde bu konuda bir şeye rastlayamayacakları gibi, dikkatli bir şekilde incelemiş olduğum Yirmisekiz Çelebi Mehmed Efendi’nin sefaretnamesinde de rastlayamadım diyor. Gerçekten, Tarih-i Raşid’in eki olan Küçükçelebizade Asım Efendi’nin Tarihinde de, matbaa malzemelerinin gelişi hakkında bilgi yoktur. Saint Simon’un “Hatırat” adlı eserinde, Yirmisekiz Çelebi Mehmed Efendi’nin elçi olarak Paris’te bulunduğu zamanki durumuna dair şu ifadelere rastlanılmaktadır: Osmanlı Devleti’nin Paris Elçisi Mehmed Efendi matbaanın bütün aletlerini, makinelerini, kazınmış yazılarını ve matbaa binasının kabartma planlarını görmüştür.

Paris’te bulunduğu sırada Kraliyet Kütüphanesi’ni de ziyaret etmiştir. Bu ziyareti esnasında kütüphanenin tarih ve nefis kitaplar hakkında geniş bilgisi olduğunu göstermiştir. Mehmet Efendi Sadrazam’ın arkadaşı olduğu için İstanbul’a dönüşünde bir matbaa ile bir de kütüphane kurmaya karar vermiş ve gördüğü muhalefete rağmen başarılı da olmuştur. Meninski “matbaa malzemelerinin Paris’ten getirtildiğini, Firmin Dido ise Layd’tan getirtilmiş olduğunu” söylemektedir.

Karaçun Efendi’nin yazmış oldukları makalede söz konusu olan “Türkçe Fransızca Sarf” (Dilbilgisi) kitabının basımı için gerekli olan Fransızca harflerin elde edilmesine gelince, Saint Simon’un 1829 yılında basılmış olan “Hatırat” adlı eserinin on sekizinci cildinin 382-383. sayfalarında şu ifadelere rastlanılmaktadır: “Holderman’ın ‘Sarf-ı Türkisi’ni bastırmak için gerekli olan Fransızca harflerin Paris’ten gönderildiği, Saray Kral Nâzırı Mösyö Mörpü tarafından, o zaman Fransa’nın İstanbul Elçiliği görevinde bulunan Mösyö Vilnov’a yazılmış olan 28 Haziran 1730 tarihli mektubun içeriğinden anlaşılmaktadır. Adı geçen mektupta, İbrahim Efendi’nin Sarf-ı Türki ve Lügat kitabını bastırmak için talep ettiği Fransızca harflerin verilmesini Kraldan rica edeceğim, kitapların basımında kullanılacak Türkçe harflerden bana numune gönderiniz deniliyor”.

Numune talebinin amacı ise, gönderilecek Fransızca harfler ile burada bulunan Türkçe harflerin bir ayarda olmasını sağlamak, düzene koymak ve basım işini kolaylaştırmaktır. Matbaanın kurulmasından sonra basılan kitapların adedi konusuna gelince : 1867 yılındaki orada Paris Osmanlı Devleti’nin Elçisi olan Cemil Paşa’nın başkanlığında toplanan Osmanlı Fen Komisyonunun düzenlemiş olduğu raporlardan biri olan Sanayi-i Nefise ve Şubeleri hakkındaki dördüncü raporun, Paris’te basılan nüshasının altmış ikinci sayfasında, gerek matbaanın nasıl kurulduğuna ve gerekse de harflerin nereden ve nasıl sağlandığına dair herhangi bir şey söylenilmemiştir. Bununla birlikte, raporda ilk matbaanın kurulmasıyla basımı gerçekleşmiş olan kitapların adedi yirmi beş olarak gösterilmiş ise de, D’ohsson Tarihinin 1788’de basılan sekiz ciltlik eserinin, ikinci cildinin beş yüz birinci sayfasında basımı yapılan kitapların adedi on beş olarak gösterilmiştir.

Zonkiyer’in (Jonquiere)“Tarih-i Devlet-i Aliyye” adlı eserinin 1881’de Paris’te basılan nüshasının 356. sayfasında, matbaada basılan eserlerin sayısı on beş olarak kayıtlıdır. Bu kayıt, tarihçinin, söz konusu kayda ilişkin bilgiyi yalnızca D’ohsson Tarihine başvurarak edindiği düşüncesini doğurmaktadır. Hammer Tarihinin on dördüncü cildinin 179. sayfasında matbaada basılan eserler yedi adet olarak gösterildiği halde, adı geçen cildin sonunda bulunan açıklama kısmında ise, toplam on yedi olarak kayıt edilmiştir.

Söz konusu kayıt bu cildin 496. sayfasındadır. Matbaa hakkında İstanbul’dan, 3 Teşrin-i sâni (Kasım) 1740 tarihinde yazılan ve 14 Kânun-i sâni (Ocak) 1741 tarihli “Gazet dö Frans “ nüshasında yer alan bir mektupta, Fünun-i Askeriyye’ye (Askerlik Bilgileri) ait birçok eser Türkçe’ye çevrilerek matbaada basılmıştır. Bir yıl boyunca basılan kitapların adlarını içeren bir cetvelin yayımlanmasının yöntem haline getirilmesi nedeniyle o yılın sonunda yayımlanan bu cetvele göre matbaanın kuruluşundan şimdiye kadar 280 cilt kitabın basımı gerçekleşmiştir” denilmektedir. Türkçe ve Fransızca olarak basımı yapılan sarf (dilbilgisi) kitabı hakkında: Meninski, büyük lügatının 1780’de Viyana’da basılan nüshasının birinci cildinin önsözünde, İbrahim Müteferrika ve matbaadan söz ederken bu “sarf” hakkında aşağıdaki kısacık sözleri söylüyor. “Rahip Holderman’ın telif etmiş olduğu Türkçe ve Fransızca sarf kitabı, bu matbaanın 1730 tarihinde basmış olduğu eserlerdendir”. Toderini Tarihinde bu konuda geniş bilgi vermektedir. Ayrıca bu eserin, o zaman İstanbul’da bulunan Fransızların zorlaması ve baskısıyla matbaada basıldığını belirterek, Fransızların dil gereksinmelerini kolaylaştırmak için kitabın sonuna bir de mükaleme kısmı ilave edilmiş olduğunu ifade etmiştir. Bununla birlikte eserin nüshalarının çok az bulunmasından dolayı büyük zorluklarla bir nüshasını elde ettiğini söylemektedir. 1747’de Paris Kraliyet Kütüphanesi Türkçe ve Farsça mütercimlerden olan Arman (Armain) adlı kişi İstanbul’a gelerek o zaman Fransa’nın İstanbul Elçisi olarak bulunan Kont Dozayir (comte des Alleurs) ile birlikte matbaayı ziyaretten sonra, Paris’e göndermiş olduğu 20 Eylül 1747 tarihli raporunda yer alan ve kitapların fiyatını kapsayan cetvelde, matbaada basılan kitapların adedi on altı olarak gösterilmiş ve bu sarf kitabından söz edilmemiştir. İbrahim Müteferrika hakkında ise, bu raporun yazıldığı tarihten altı ay önce vefat etmiştir demektedir.

Bundan dolayı D’ohsson, Tarihinin ikinci cildinin 480-510. sayfasına kadar matbaa hakkında açıklama yapmış ve ilk basılan kitapların cetvelini dahi kayıt etmiş olduğu halde bu sarf için tek bir söz bile söylememiştir. Bu yüzden Zonkiyer’in (Jonquiere), Tarihine almış olduğu cetvelde de bu kitabın adına rastlanılmamaktadır. Yalnız Hammer, Tarihinin on dördüncü cildinin sonuna –bu cildin içindekiler hakkında gerekli olan kapsamlı açıklama- ilave etmiş olduğu bölümde yer alan, matbaada basılan eserlerin adlarını içeren cetvelde sekizinci olarak bu sarfı göstermektedir. Dido, yukarıda adı geçen eserinin yedi yüz altıncı sayfasında bu eserden söz etmiş ise de basım tarihi olan 1730 yılını 1729 olarak göstermiştir.

Paris’te basımı gerçekleşen Kütüphaneler Mecmuası’nın 1895 yılına ait olan beşinci cildinin 185-200 ve 228-236. sayfalarında aşağıdaki açıklamalara rastlanılmaktadır; Jojoyet Rahiplerinden Strazburg’lu Holderman tarafından 1730 yılında İstanbul’da Said Ağa’nın matbaasında çocuklara mahsus Türkçe-Fransızca bir sarf basılmıştır. Yukarıda adı geçen rahip bir de Ermenice sarfın basımını yapmak arzusunda bulunmuş ise de 13 Teşrin-i evvel (Ekim) 1730 yılında vefat etmesinden ötürü buna muvaffak olamamıştır.

Basılan Fransızca sarfın birçok nüshası Fransa’ya gönderilmiş ve Kraliyet Kütüphanesi Müdürü Rahip Binyon’a (Bignon) verilerek 1731-1732 yıllarında Mösyö Mörpa’nın emriyle Paris’te bulunan Jojoyet Mektebi öğrencilerine dağıtılmıştır. Kitabın Avrupa Kütüphanelerindeki varlığına gelince: Gerek eğitim görmüş olduğum Tubingen Darülfünun Kütüphanesi ile daha sonra devam ettiğim Stutgard’ın büyük kütüphanesinde, bundan yirmi sene önce bu esere rastladım. Bugün bu kitabın adı geçen kütüphanelerde mevcut bulunduğuna bakılarak kitabın Avrupada ki varlığını Lozan (Lausane) Akademisi Kütüphanesi ile sınırlandırmak doğru değildir. Ayrıca adı geçen kitabın, Müze-i Hümayun Kütüphanesi için 1908 senesi Teşrin-i evvelinde (Ekim) bir liraya satın alınan ve 4845 umumi numaralı nüshasının birinci sayfasında mevcut bulunan eski bir mühürden, bunun Peşte civarında bulunan “Giz Kartalı” karyesindeki kütüphanede bulunan ikinci nüsha olduğu anlaşılmaktadır.Matbaanın yabancı dillerden ilk basmış olduğu bu sarf kitabı 218 sayfadan ibaret olup, ilk on altı ve son sekiz sayfası numarasızdır. İlk sayfasında kitabın adı ve Macar Kütüphanesi’nin mührü ve geri kalan ilk on beş sayfasında da yazar tarafından Kardinal Flori’ye ithafen yazılan imzasız bir mektup yer almaktadır. Bunun devamında kitabın telifi ve baskısı sırasında hata edilmemesi için çaba harcanmışsa da buna muvaffak olunamadığından kitapta gerekli düzeltmeleri içeren bir önsöz ve Türkçe’ye dair bir giriş vardır. Bundan sonra başlayan numaralı sayfalarda sarf (dilbilgisi) kurallarından söz edilmiştir. Kitapta 127. sayfadan 144. sayfaya kadar, gerekli olan Türkçe cümlelere, 144. sayfadan kitabın sonuna kadar yirmi bölüme ayrılmış olan mükâlemeler eklenmiştir. Gerek cümleler gerekse mükâlemeler üç sütun üzerine dizilmiş olup birincide Türkçe cümleler Fransızca harfler ile ikincide, Türkçe harfler ile yazılmış, üçüncüde ise Fransızca karşılığı gösterilmişt