Health Care: It's Not Just Resting, It's Dead
Yes, this is like the 7th or 8th post announcing the death of the monster but it's not like there's going to be a surrender announcement where the Democrats stack their 2,000+ page bills and march off the field.
The latest evidence that all this talk of the House passing the Senate bill and then 'fixing' it through reconciliation is nothing more than talk is that Democratic senators are bailing on the idea and it's no sure thing Harry Reid can even round up the 50 votes he'd need.Reid’s spokesman, Jim Manley, declined to comment on whether the majority leader believes he can round up 51 votes. “We are still discussing next steps and options with the House, the White House and our caucus,” Manley said. Seven Senate Democrats and one independent, Sen. Joe Lieberman of Connecticut, cautioned that they were wary of using reconciliation to push ahead with health care reform. Some said the maneuver would show Americans that Democrats had not learned from the Massachusetts election.No, not all 8 are guaranteed to vote no but it looks like Reid is starting with about 51 votes and that means he can only lose one more. Add in the Republicans' threat to use their right to bring up as many amendments as they want on any subject and that number is going down, not up. On Tuesday House Majority Leader Steny Hoyer said he thinks Democrats will have a decision by next week on how to proceed. He doubts the White House is going to be very involved.
And Hoyer hinted that Congressional Democrats will, for better or worse, be largely on their own in making those decisions.Obama has played this, "let them figure it out" thing with Congress on all his major initiatives. How's that worked out so far? The thing is, Obama is moving on from health care. No, he's not saying it that way but he's clearly made his 'hard pivot' from it to his faux populism, spending freezes and jobs, jobs, jobs. That's hanging congressional Democrats out to dry with an angry base. Obama isn't and can't come to their rescue, so what's in it for congressional Democrats to keep going on with what is a lost cause? Obama has moved on to something he thinks is more popular, why won't congressional Democrats follow him to what they hope is greener pastures? To paraphrase John F. Kerry...Who wants to be the last Democratic Congressman or Senator to lose his or her seat for a bill that isn't going anywhere? It's all over but the shouting and the singing but mostly the singing.
“I think the president will speak to healthcare,” Hoyer said. “I don’t know what he’s going to specifically say but I would be surprised if he says specifically, exactly how he hopes to get healthcare done.”
Comments
Posted by: Al at January 27, 2010 12:04 AM (0lyUI)
Posted by: Juliet16 at January 27, 2010 12:05 AM (EPMEV)
It's pining for the fjords.
Posted by: Have Blue at January 27, 2010 12:07 AM (mV+es)
Posted by: Jane D'oh at January 27, 2010 12:07 AM (UOM48)
Posted by: Jane D'oh at January 27, 2010 12:08 AM (UOM48)
Posted by: gomm at January 27, 2010 12:08 AM (Ibk1S)
One more catastrophe racked up by Comrade Zero. Maybe the worst so far, but then again there are so many to choose from that it's hard to be certain.
Should make for an intersting SOTU address anyway. How much gilding will it take to make choosing a White House puppy and learning to salute properly sound like a full year's worth of acheivements?
Posted by: Cicero at January 27, 2010 12:08 AM (SCFiZ)
Posted by: Purple Avenger at January 27, 2010 12:08 AM (e7v1M)
Posted by: gomm at January 27, 2010 12:09 AM (Ibk1S)
Posted by: flodigarry at January 27, 2010 12:09 AM (8EcAf)
Posted by: gomm at January 27, 2010 12:10 AM (Ibk1S)
Posted by: Jane D'oh at January 27, 2010 12:10 AM (UOM48)
How long does the House have to pass the Senate's version (ie does the Senate's vote go 'stale' after x days)???
IE, can the Democrats in November, on the way out the door, pass this thing, and leave a flaming bag on America's doorstep???
Posted by: phreshone at January 27, 2010 12:11 AM (1AnxB)
Posted by: gomm at January 27, 2010 12:11 AM (Ibk1S)
Posted by: gomm at January 27, 2010 12:14 AM (Ibk1S)
Posted by: gomm at January 27, 2010 12:15 AM (Ibk1S)
Posted by: gomm at January 27, 2010 12:16 AM (Ibk1S)
Reid literally has nothing to lose, since well...he knows he's going to lose in Nov.
Pelosi's seat is so well protected, she could keep getting elected even if in prison serving a life sentence for being a serial killer.
I would not be surprised to see this keep limping along even if only to fail on an endless series of procedural votes. It would allow the hard left democrats to pander to their base saying "we tried" and the moderate ones lose nothing in their districts voting it down.
Posted by: Purple Avenger at January 27, 2010 12:16 AM (e7v1M)
Posted by: gomm at January 27, 2010 12:16 AM (Ibk1S)
Posted by: gomm at January 27, 2010 12:16 AM (Ibk1S)
Posted by: Salem at January 27, 2010 12:16 AM (86rbG)
It's either when the next Congress is seated in January, 2011 or when this Congress 'adjourns sine die', which will either be in November or December of this year.
Posted by: DrewM. at January 27, 2010 12:17 AM (UAnTc)
P.S. Watch out for those crazies up in Bakersfield.
Posted by: Winston Steward at January 27, 2010 12:17 AM (wgLRl)
Perhaps I'm just cynical, but its like there is something else to what they want besides what they claim...
Posted by: 18-1 at January 27, 2010 12:17 AM (bgcml)
Monty Python - Dead Parrot
"The plumage don't enter into it, it's stone dead."
Posted by: misterdregs at January 27, 2010 12:17 AM (cOpeP)
They'd have until the end of this congressional session. There's nothing in the US constitution requiring a "speedy vote". There may be particular house rules or something, but Pelosi doesn't pay any attention to that shit anyway.
If it failed to pass during this session, it could simply be resubmitted as-is to the next congress. This happens all the time with stuff that never makes it out of committee or only passes one house. The sponsor(s) keeps resubmitting it and resubmitting it...
Posted by: Purple Avenger at January 27, 2010 12:21 AM (e7v1M)
One year. At least that's what I heard some Dem congressman say on TV last week.
Posted by: Harry Saks at January 27, 2010 12:22 AM (3F+9y)
Posted by: huerfano at January 27, 2010 12:22 AM (kJLH9)
Posted by: kefka at January 27, 2010 12:22 AM (n1uMU)
Nothing is ever that dead unless its throttled via constitutional amendment. When congress is in session, all men's lives and fortunes are at risk.
Posted by: Purple Avenger at January 27, 2010 12:24 AM (e7v1M)
Conservatives, what is good in life?
To drive their legislation before you, and hear the lamentations of their nutroots !
Posted by: Sam at January 27, 2010 12:24 AM (Cxsey)
Posted by: mystry at January 27, 2010 12:25 AM (kmgIE)
This thing has been living on for years. It wasn't dead in '93. It isn't dead now. It's been kicked, shot, beaten, and burned after being smashed together by an exploding oil rig. And still it gets up and limps on.
Good work, but keep watch - you can't take this one for granted. Ever.
Posted by: AD at January 27, 2010 12:25 AM (yNSM/)
Posted by: Marcia Coakley at January 27, 2010 12:26 AM (FD2Ex)
It ain't dead. It ain't even pining for the fjords.
They're gonna cram it up our ...er, down our throats with a bulldozer from some darkened, crack-filled back room --- may be doing so even as we type.
Posted by: Faye Kinnit at January 27, 2010 12:26 AM (l1oyw)
Posted by: w'evver at January 27, 2010 12:26 AM (GkYyh)
Posted by: 18-1 at January 27, 2010 12:17 AM (bgcml)
They don't want real reform, they want to take over. It's nothing but a power trip. Most intelligent Americans understand the need for reform, but not this mess.
Posted by: Bill R. at January 27, 2010 12:26 AM (EhlQq)
28 Is it dead or stake through the heart, head cut off, garlic stuffed in its mouth dead? I know for damn sure it hasn't been exposed to sunlight yet.
I agree as long as their is a chance for this vote on Christmas Eve congress to pass this thing, I will not let my guard down.
Posted by: Naan at January 27, 2010 12:27 AM (j5MTj)
Yeah, I'm sure Ezra Klein and Nate Silver are twisting and contorting to find ways to defend the Dems after this one
Posted by: eddiebear at January 27, 2010 12:27 AM (ml9ij)
Posted by: DaMav at January 27, 2010 12:27 AM (QNU76)
sadly, I agree. Even if she is voted out, they will have to pry her bony cold hands from her office door and she will be heard loudly vowing that she will get healthcare passed no matter what.
Posted by: curious at January 27, 2010 12:27 AM (p302b)
Posted by: Blue Angles at January 27, 2010 12:29 AM (FD2Ex)
So this isn't dead... perhaps it still might be Harry's and Nancy's parting gift to America
Posted by: phreshone at January 27, 2010 12:29 AM (1AnxB)
Posted by: curious at January 27, 2010 12:31 AM (p302b)
So...
You're saying we will not get a surrender ceremony with Captain Bullshit and his douchebag party signing the documents of surrender on the deck of the Missouri this time either? What a ripoff.
Posted by: Roborob at January 27, 2010 12:31 AM (jEWKd)
Nothing is ever that dead unless its throttled via constitutional amendment.
I don't think even that is safe anymore. Look at Obama's reaction to SCOTUS's First Amendment ruling.
When the ruling came down, President Obama said, he instructed his administration to get to work immediately with members of Congress to developed a “forceful, bipartisan” response to the decision.
Posted by: huerfano at January 27, 2010 12:33 AM (kJLH9)
You were so right! If only we had acceded to Democratic demands and broke down when support for the bill was highest and nobody knew anything about it...and when they were locking us out of meetings entirely. What a brilliant strategy! I feel so let down by my leadership for actually fighting these things for once...just look where it got us.
I don't know about you all, but I've definitely learned my lesson.
Posted by: AD at January 27, 2010 12:34 AM (yNSM/)
Posted by: Truman North at January 27, 2010 12:34 AM (FjC5u)
Posted by: Guy Fawkes at January 27, 2010 12:35 AM (DIYmd)
It is dead, any the country has loudly sent a vote of no confidence to this congress. i will enjoy watching the democrats stew over it all year long.
Posted by: exceller at January 27, 2010 12:37 AM (Z7Znk)
Look, you stupid dems got exactly what you voted for: A guy who's really, really good at getting a bunch of people together to demand something. And then--because at it core it is nothing more than a mob--hope the weight of the amassed topples toward what was demanded.
And when there is push back, when they don't fall? This fucker doesn't have a clue--he has never been there before! He has no clue what to do! Hahahahahahahahahahaaa!
All the Republicans have to do from here on out is "rah, rah" any of Obama's proposals and as soon as he finishes talking, he'll walk away and the whole thing will collapse--once he's done organizing the community, he is done, d.o.n.e.--now watch this drive!
Posted by: jimmuy at January 27, 2010 12:39 AM (1H21Q)
Posted by: Bear at January 27, 2010 12:39 AM (FD2Ex)
Posted by: Rodent Freikorps at January 27, 2010 12:40 AM (dQdrY)
Posted by: mystry at January 27, 2010 12:40 AM (kmgIE)
Posted by: flurmf at January 27, 2010 12:40 AM (Xx+86)
Posted by: Guy Fawkes
As others have said, no it is not. It will come back again, maybe not tomorrow, but someday. This is the Forever War, so to speak.
A day may come when the courage of republicans fail, when we forsake our limited government and break all bonds of self reliance, but it is not this day. An hour of wolves and shattered rights, when the age of conservatism comes crashing down, but it is not this day.
Posted by: Sam at January 27, 2010 12:40 AM (Cxsey)
To paraphrase John F. Kerry...Who wants to be the last Democratic Congressman or Senator to lose his or her seat for a bill that isn't going anywhere?
I nominate Jean Francoise Kerie' himself: the Ascender of the Mekong, Destroyer of Rice Bins, Saluting Tutor to National Security Posers everywhere, and the only man to publicly gaze with admiration into the eyes of John Edwards... and sincerely feel it!
Posted by: sherlock at January 27, 2010 12:41 AM (ktKOD)
Posted by: Sam at January 27, 2010 12:41 AM (Cxsey)
Not if I have anything to say about it.
Posted by: Barack "Romero" Obama at January 27, 2010 12:43 AM (S3BMi)
Posted by: Purple Avenger at January 27, 2010 12:43 AM (e7v1M)
Posted by: Sam at January 27, 2010 12:41 AM (Cxsey)
I liked it.
Posted by: Rodent Freikorps at January 27, 2010 12:43 AM (dQdrY)
Posted by: Movie Quotes at January 27, 2010 12:47 AM (FD2Ex)
First, Obama's populism shift is transparent and pathetic. It will fool no one and it will demoralize his base.
Second, he's lost his mantle of leadership. He didn't have much of one, but he was the aloof master of the universe who dictated goals to Congress.
No longer, they wasted almost a year on this nonsense and now they'll lose their majorities for it. Pelosi and Reid are politically dead and the vultures are circling already.
In a year, liberals have blown apart. They'll be at each others' throats in no time.
Posted by: AmishDude at January 27, 2010 12:48 AM (T0NGe)
Posted by: The Chicken at January 27, 2010 12:48 AM (G8Eo0)
Posted by: Sam at January 27, 2010 12:48 AM (Cxsey)
This thing had better be dead, for if it's not, it will cost me several thousand dollars even as I'm "funemployed". Ouch.
Posted by: Shrew_tamer at January 27, 2010 12:50 AM (4YwSt)
Posted by: ParisParamus at January 27, 2010 12:50 AM (s2TC6)
Posted by: Kahn Obama at January 27, 2010 12:51 AM (sYxEE)
Posted by: MAJHAM@GTMO at January 27, 2010 12:51 AM (GqGQo)
I'm trying to decide on an appropriate adult beverage for watching the SOTU speech tomorrow.
Moronic suggestions appreciated.
Posted by: gebrauchshund at January 27, 2010 12:52 AM (ZTGFz)
Posted by: Movie Quotes at January 27, 2010 12:52 AM (FD2Ex)
Posted by: kbdabear at January 27, 2010 12:52 AM (sYxEE)
...how do we keep them from putting out the flames without being caught on camera flicking our Bics?
Posted by: mrkwong at January 27, 2010 12:53 AM (G8Eo0)
The legislation fights back.
Yes. It launches its further legislation against the free market.
Why attack the free market? Isn't capitalism our friends now?
Because the legislation knows the counter-attack will eliminate its weak republican enemies over here.
Posted by: Sam at January 27, 2010 12:54 AM (Cxsey)
I'm counting on the free food in prison. That's going to save me a bundle.
Posted by: Purple Avenger at January 27, 2010 12:56 AM (e7v1M)
Posted by: Next of Kin at January 27, 2010 12:56 AM (GqGQo)
Americans have health care. Excellent health care. Top-notch health care. What the US doesn't have is Pelosicare. Or Reidcare. Or Teddycare. Or Marxistf*ckbucketcare. Call it something like that.
Posted by: Waterhouse at January 27, 2010 12:57 AM (MXP2z)
Posted by: Waterhouse at January 27, 2010 12:57 AM (MXP2z)
Posted by: Ivy League Education at January 27, 2010 12:58 AM (dQdrY)
Posted by: AmishDude at January 27, 2010 12:59 AM (T0NGe)
Posted by: Sam at January 27, 2010 12:59 AM (Cxsey)
I always prefered Healthcare Coup D'etat.
All super sucky things should stay in the original french.
Posted by: Rodent Freikorps at January 27, 2010 01:01 AM (dQdrY)
Posted by: Health Care at January 27, 2010 01:01 AM (YMZjg)
Posted by: kefka at January 27, 2010 01:01 AM (n1uMU)
You're ghostin' us, motherfucker. I don't care who you are back in the world, you you try to pass this legislation one more time, I'll bleed ya, real quiet. Leave ya here. Got that?
Posted by: Sam at January 27, 2010 01:02 AM (Cxsey)
I can't call this dead, Donks have been trying for this sincesometimes loudly. They've gotten a little bit here, a little bit there, they'll keep trying. They, chip another piece out, sooner or later they'll have the whole thing so screwed up that it will be their dream come true.
Unless we throttle them.
Posted by: Peter at January 27, 2010 01:03 AM (GkYyh)
Posted by: Shrew_tamer at January 27, 2010 01:04 AM (4YwSt)
Posted by: Rodent Freikorps at January 27, 2010 01:05 AM (dQdrY)
Posted by: Purple Avenger at January 27, 2010 01:06 AM (e7v1M)
You're ghostin' us, motherfucker. I don't care who you are back in the world, you you try to pass this legislation one more time, I'll bleed ya, real quiet. Leave ya here. Got that?
lol yes please, I would love that. One of my favorite movie lines ever.
Posted by: kefka at January 27, 2010 01:07 AM (n1uMU)
The transparency of Obama's populism can be seen when he gives a tie-less speech, with everyone around him wearing ties, as he looks down his nose, eyes ping-ponging side to side at the teleprompters.
Will he do another photo-op at a hamburger boutique, ordering Grey Poupon and eating his sandwich with a knife and fork, while washing it all down with a Heineken?
What parody of populist pomposity will Captain Bullshit pose next?
Stay tuned for the next episode of "As Rome Burns" titled the State of the Union Address II*
*-spoiler-(Barry reinvents Himself and finds, to his delighted surprise, that this time IT REALLY IS ALL ABOUT HIM)
Posted by: Speller at January 27, 2010 01:07 AM (o0R2E)
#76 Purple
I've thought about the "three hots and a cot" road. Then I thought, I did not do anything wrong. Fuck them.
Posted by: Shrew_tamer at January 27, 2010 01:07 AM (4YwSt)
I think of it more in terms of "asset recovery" getting real value for past taxes squandered. Minimum security Federal prisons would be a distinct "lifestyle upgrade" for a lot of people.
Posted by: Purple Avenger at January 27, 2010 01:10 AM (e7v1M)
Posted by: Jayne on the left coast at January 27, 2010 01:13 AM (34oGp)
Why wouldn't we? All the damage will already be done, everyone who's gonna lose will have already lost. We'll have nothing more to lose. And you know Obama will sign it.
Try to stop me.
Posted by: Nancy Pelosi at January 27, 2010 01:14 AM (wk1nH)
Posted by: hobgoblin at January 27, 2010 01:16 AM (i8s5X)
Clintons trid to cram this shzt sammich down our throats. We had an intervention. Then it came back on steroids and hemmroids and everthing else.
It's like a beast that has to be killed again and again. Socialism, too.
Posted by: K~Bob at January 27, 2010 01:17 AM (9b6FB)
Posted by: Shrew_tamer at January 27, 2010 01:17 AM (4YwSt)
Sam "Obama" Spade: I hope they don't hang you, precious, by that sweet neck.
Healthcare Bill: - You're not...
Sam "Obama" Spade: - Yes, angel, I'm gonna send you over. If you're a good girl, you'll be back in 20 years.
Sam "Obama" Spade: I'll be waiting for you.
Sam "Obama" Spade: If they hang you, I'll always remember you.
Healthcare Bill: Don't, Sam!
Healthcare Bill: Don't say that, even in fun!
Healthcare Bill: I was frightened for a minute. I really thought... You do such wild and unpredictable things. Now, don't be silly.
Sam "Obama" Spade: You're taking the fall.
Healthcare Bill: You've been playing with me...
Healthcare Bill: ...just pretending you cared to trap me like this.
Healthcare Bill: You didn't care at all!
Healthcare Bill: You don't love me!
Sam "Obama" Spade: I won't play the sap for you!
Healthcare Bill: You know it's not like that!
Sam "Obama" Spade: You never played square with me since I've known you!
Healthcare Bill: You know in your heart that in spite of anything I've done, I love you.
Sam "Obama" Spade: I don't care who loves who! I won't play the sap for you!
Sam "Obama" Spade: I won't walk in Bill Nelson's, and I don't know how many others' footsteps!
Sam "Obama" Spade: You killed Coakley and you're going over for it.
Healthcare Bill: How can you do this to me, Sam?
Healthcare Bill: Surely, Coakley wasn't as much to you as...
Sam "Obama" Spade: Listen. This won't do any good.
Sam "Obama" Spade: You'll never understand me, but I'll try once and then give it up.
Sam "Obama" Spade: When a man's partner is killed, he's supposed to do something. It makes no difference what you thought of him. He was your partner, and you're supposed to do something about it... ...and it happens we're in the politics business. Well, when one of your organization gets killed, it's... ...it's bad business to let the killer get away with it... ...bad all around, bad for every Democrat everywhere.
Healthcare Bill: You don't expect me to think that these are sufficient reasons for sending me...
Sam "Obama" Spade: Wait'll I'm through. Then, you can talk.
Sam "Obama" Spade: I've no earthly reason to think I can trust you.
Sam "Obama" Spade: If I do this and get away with it, you'll have something on me... ...that you can use whenever you want to. Since I've got something on you... ...I couldn't be sure that you wouldn't put a hole in me someday. All those are on one side.
Sam "Obama" Spade: Maybe some of them are unimportant. I won't argue about that.
Sam "Obama" Spade: But look at the number of them.
Sam "Obama" Spade: What have we got on the other side?
Sam "Obama" Spade: All we've got is that maybe you love me and maybe I love you.
Healthcare bill: You know whether you love me or not.
Sam "Obama" Spade: Maybe I do. I'll have some rotten nights after I've sent you over, but that'll pass. If all I've said doesn't mean anything to you... ...then forget it and we'll make it just this:
Sam "Obama" Spade: I won't, because all of me wants to regardless of consequences... ...and because you've counted on it... ...the same as you counted on it with all the others.
Healthcare bill: Would you have done this if the Coakley had won and you got your victory?
Sam "Obama" Spade: Don't be too sure I'm as crooked as I'm supposed to be.
Sam "Obama" Spade: That sort of reputation might be good business... ...bringing high-priced jobs and making it easier to deal with the enemy... ...but a lot more money would have been one more item on your side of the scales.
Healthcare bill: If you'd loved me, you wouldn't have needed any more on that side.
[The Healthcare bill kisses him]
Sam "Obama" Spade: Come in.
[Detectives enter]
Sam "Obama" Spade: Hello, Tom. Got 'em?
Detective Tom Polhaus: Got 'em.
Sam "Obama" Spade: Swell! Here's another one for you. She killed Coakley.
Sam "Obama" Spade: Oh, and I've got some exhibits: Pelosi's guns, one of Reid's... ...and a $1,000,000,000,000 bill I was supposed to be bribed with...
Sam "Obama" Spade: ...and this black statuette here that all the fuss was about.
Sam "Obama" Spade: What's the matter with your playmate? He looks brokenhearted. I bet when he heard Pelosi's story, he thought he had me.
Detective Tom Polhaus: Cut it out, Sam.
Sam "Obama" Spade: Well, shall we be getting down to the Hall?
Detective Tom Polhaus: [picks up the bill] Heavy. What is it?
Sam "Obama" Spade: The, uh, stuff that dreams are made of.
Detective Tom Polhaus: Huh?
[Sam dejectedly picks up the bill and walks away]
Posted by: AD at January 27, 2010 01:20 AM (yNSM/)
Posted by: Nancy Pelosi at January 27, 2010 01:14 AM (wk1nH)
A tenth ammendment constitutional showdown sounds interesting.
Go for it.
Posted by: Rodent Freikorps at January 27, 2010 01:20 AM (dQdrY)
Posted by: Bags Of Sheep at January 27, 2010 01:21 AM (FD2Ex)
Posted by: Dennis Prager on LGF at January 27, 2010 01:23 AM (d7Px0)
The Dems are going to bury Obamacare in that "other" Pet Cemetary where they bury all their pet projects that die but always find a way back into the House.
Don't get comfortable. When the pet project comes back it's always smellier, nastier, and trying to crawl into your bed.
Posted by: Thriller at January 27, 2010 01:23 AM (o0R2E)
The bill is not dead, as long as there is one Democrat left in Congress. It's their Holy Grail - the inutterable destruction of everything in this nation that is worth a shit.
Posted by: TexasJew at January 27, 2010 01:24 AM (dcKUM)
As long as McCain is permitted to stay in the Senate, the other nasty stuff - Shamnesty and Cap n' Trade will be hanging around to wreak havoc.
We have to shitcan him once and for all. He is poison.
Posted by: TexasJew at January 27, 2010 01:26 AM (dcKUM)
Posted by: Ellie Light at January 27, 2010 01:27 AM (554T5)
The bill is not dead, as long as there is one Democrat left in Congress. It's their Holy Grail - the inutterable destruction of everything in this nation that is worth a shit.
The Dems don't actually want any health care legislation to pass. They just want something to promise to stupid people during their campaigns, then they sabotage it so they can blame those evil, obstructionist, right wing, racist republicans.
Posted by: Lemmiwinks at January 27, 2010 01:28 AM (IqfKc)
TexasJew
This has been the Holy Grail of every leftist since man came to throw rocks at each other. Control health, control man.
Posted by: Shrew_tamer at January 27, 2010 01:29 AM (4YwSt)
Glad I wasn't the only one.
Posted by: rawmuse at January 27, 2010 01:30 AM (6Kciv)
Posted by: Exurban Jon at January 27, 2010 01:31 AM (xdt0G)
If that is how they play this, I don't doubt healthcare can still "pass."
Posted by: K~Bob at January 27, 2010 01:32 AM (9b6FB)
Posted by: stuiec at January 27, 2010 01:33 AM (GU29T)
Posted by: Guy Fawkes at January 27, 2010 01:34 AM (DIYmd)
I'm not going to fear until they try to take over food production and/or distribution.
Posted by: Rodent Freikorps at January 27, 2010 01:35 AM (dQdrY)
But given the fact that Cleese and Co. seem to be hard lefties, maybe ITS A TRAP?
Posted by: ParisParamus at January 27, 2010 01:35 AM (s2TC6)
Posted by: Soap MacTavish at January 27, 2010 01:36 AM (554T5)
Do you suppose that Rahm Emanuel told Obama on Inauguration Day, "You just kick back, big guy, and Nancy will run things for you"?
Posted by: stuiec at January 27, 2010 01:37 AM (GU29T)
Posted by: TroJan Badger at January 27, 2010 01:38 AM (FD2Ex)
Posted by: Scotts' Daughters at January 27, 2010 01:56 AM (FD2Ex)
Posted by: pat at January 27, 2010 01:59 AM (TCZ5c)
Posted by: darii at January 27, 2010 02:01 AM (RdrW8)
But given the fact that Cleese and Co. seem to be hard lefties, maybe ITS A TRAP?
Posted by: ParisParamus at January 27, 2010 01:35 AM (s2TC6)
"Our blogs can't repel Leftard stupidity of that magnitude!"
Posted by: Admiral Akbar at January 27, 2010 02:02 AM (GU29T)
A MILD REPLY TURNETH ASIDE WRATH: But probably not this time. . .
HT Instapundit.
Posted by: Dennis Prager on LGF at January 27, 2010 01:23 AM (d7Px0)
The Ponytailed One is immune to reason. In his particular form of autism, he perceives any sort of criticism, even a "downding," as a mortal threat to his very being.
Posted by: stuiec at January 27, 2010 02:05 AM (GU29T)
Posted by: Obi Wan Kenobi at January 27, 2010 02:05 AM (i/gRH)
from American Thinker
The secret phrase is "back from the brink."
Posted by: ParisParamus at January 27, 2010 02:05 AM (s2TC6)
I have a close friend at one of the large banks (commercial, not investment bank). He was in DC with a group of execs lobbying congress when the Brown election happened, and everyone involved could sense the tone-shift in Washington. Business people in every sector are breathing a huge sigh of relief that Brown won.
Socialized healthcare won't die, but at least now it can't happen all at once. The Dems are running scared, as they should be. Don't bet that the RNC won't find a way to f-up, though.
Posted by: In Exile at January 27, 2010 02:06 AM (Dw6L6)
Posted by: Dr. Leonard McCoy at January 27, 2010 02:07 AM (i/gRH)
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Posted by: wedding dress shop at January 27, 2010 02:32 AM (1Lp8g)
We never deserved this reprieve.
If we ever let the leftists control both Houses and the Presidency again, we will get what we deserve.
I hope we've learned something.
Posted by: RayJ at January 27, 2010 02:34 AM (rDhm0)
Barack Obama is negotiating to set up a terrorist rehab center. In YEMEN.
The move would help President Barack Obama achieve his elusive goal of closing the controversial US prison.
The issue will be raised for the first time in an international setting on the sidelines of a ministerial meeting in London on Wednesday...
A source close to the Obama administration said the Yemenis had agreed in principle to the establishment of a Reintegration and Risk Reduction Initiative, which would be internationally funded and monitored.
Aimed at steering detainees back into society, it would be modeled on previous efforts in Northern Ireland, Saudi Arabia and Jordan.
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135 Wait I thought this was an emergency... were the Democrats lying to us?
Were their lips moving?
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I have to conclude that Obama is so hell-bent on closing Gitmo that he really and truly does not care how many detainees end up going back into terrorist operations, nor how many Americans they kill.
Posted by: stuiec at January 27, 2010 02:59 AM (GU29T)
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Posted by: mesablue at January 27, 2010 03:38 AM (CbF4r)
The press is trying to give cues to Pres Obama about his latest move is not working. His poll numbers are dropping even more because of it.
Posted by: Gary B at January 27, 2010 03:39 AM (1gWfF)
Posted by: Gary B at January 27, 2010 03:39 AM (1gWfF)
It's a busted con that The Precedent thinks he can push through by sheer, brazen lying. It's really pathetic and, were it not so unbelievably dangerous, it would be one of the funniest moments in human history. We won't make it through a whole term of the Indonesian imbecile. Nature, in its most barbaric forms, will close in around the US while this nation is being weakened from the inside. It's a Komodo dragon sort of kill.
Posted by: progressoverpeace at January 27, 2010 04:28 AM (A46hP)
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Don't say it can't happen.
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Posted by: WisConbowhunter at January 27, 2010 05:57 AM (S3BMi)
Dick Morris is back on F&F and is STILL maintaining that the plan to pass the Senate Bill and then alter it via reconcilliation is the plan. He says the Reid/Pelosi no votes for this is a smoke screen.
He also says that the Seantors coming out now saying they will never support this bill are all phony because they have already voted for it once and when it goes to reconcilliation after it is made more liberal in the House their votes will not be needed.
Posted by: Vic at January 27, 2010 06:29 AM (QrA9E)
Posted by: Mr. Pink at January 27, 2010 06:42 AM (ly4ma)
Maybe, but he maybe also right on this. Time will tell.
Just remember that in the end, there will be only chaos.
Posted by: Kratos (on the back of Gaia, scaling Mt Olympus) at January 27, 2010 06:59 AM (otlXg)
Yeah, Dick is a blowhard, but he is pretty insightful i think. He usually has a unique perspective. He takes risks and sometimes is right, sometimes badly wrong.
One thing he pushed hard was opposition to the HC bill based on it cutting care for seniors, and that was a spot on.
Posted by: nine coconuts at January 27, 2010 07:05 AM (DHNp4)
Posted by: GuyFromNewJersey at January 27, 2010 07:37 AM (BDYfA)
Posted by: GuyFromNewJersey at January 27, 2010 07:38 AM (BDYfA)
I've asked MD's, "Would you work two days a week for free if you could avoid paying Federal income tax on the rest of your income?" In every case the answer was, "Yes, in a heartbeat."
This is just a thought from a dumbass non-expert, but why not?
Posted by: Bugler at January 27, 2010 07:44 AM (YCVBL)
Posted by: Hexenkessel at January 27, 2010 07:45 AM (mI11M)
Well Morons, I don't think that the healthscam II thing is over. It was a major effort in the Obama/Pelosi cabal to nationalize a major part of the U.S. economy and thus advance communism in the U.S. He will just focus more on the under the table efforts to "protect" the House members.
Remember this one thing; pay no attention to anything a Democrat says. First they are all liars so you can not believe it anyway, and second it is a deliberate smokescreen to hide what they are really doing.
In any case, I will be out on the road again today for most, if not all, of the day. I'll be here for a few more mintes while the old lady gets dressed but after that; its up to the Moron Brigade to keep 'em honest.
Posted by: Vic at January 27, 2010 07:45 AM (QrA9E)
Uhm...wouldn't this be a good time to allow MD's to deduct pro bono services? At present, doctors who treat indigent patients at no charge can deduct only the direct cost of any supplies they use.
Uggh, pardon me if I am missing something, but can't they already deduct that as charity giving?
Posted by: Vic at January 27, 2010 07:48 AM (QrA9E)
Yikes. That is insane (IMHO)
All professionals would then arrange to "work" pro bono just enough to avoid taxes, further screwing the American salaryman.
Just think about it, Who would oversee this? Since it is pro-bono there is no necessary paper trail, no accountability to the someone paying their own money, and no competitive market to control the theoretical billed rate.
Soon every plumber, tradesman, computer expert, suicide hotline operator, person who gives rides to elderly neighbor, etc. would soon take advantage.
The only people screwed, as usual, are the typical salaryman that does not itemize and is too busy with family and j.o.b. to use the loophole
Posted by: nine coconuts at January 27, 2010 07:58 AM (DHNp4)
No, Vic. I was very surprised to hear this from conversations with doctors, but they are not allowed to deduct the cost of their services, only the cost of supplies used when they work for free.
Maybe there are MD's reading who can confirm this, but I think it's correct.
Posted by: Bugler at January 27, 2010 07:59 AM (YCVBL)
Posted by: dr kill at January 27, 2010 08:00 AM (qKuHY)
Certainly controls would need to be in place to prevent abuse, but most of that work has already been done. I believe the term of art is "reasonable and customary services." Charges for various procedures have been standardized for insurance and government reimbursement purposes. Why can't the same rates apply for tax deductions to MD's?
Posted by: Bugler at January 27, 2010 08:02 AM (YCVBL)
Posted by: phoenixgirl at January 27, 2010 08:03 AM (ucxC/)
Posted by: Death of Mary Queen of Scots at January 27, 2010 08:03 AM (kSfPT)
No, Vic. I was very surprised to hear this from conversations with doctors, but they are not allowed to deduct the cost of their services, only the cost of supplies used when they work for free.
Well, even though I am fairly conversent on income tax shit I am not an expert on the specifics for doctors. So you are probably correct.
In any case, time for me to go.
Posted by: Vic at January 27, 2010 08:05 AM (QrA9E)
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Posted by: volfan at January 27, 2010 08:12 AM (Lq6p6)
I understand that theoretically there would be agreed upon rates, and cheating cant be flagrant, but there are agreed upon rates for medicare and i have seen estimates that 20% or more is fraud. There is no way a central authority can oversee that many transactions (just ask the ussr).
The problem is that any transaction only works if the two people exchanging value (service or product for money) have an interest in oversight. Let me give an example -- i go to Taiwan on vacation, I spend one day in a clinic, and I deduct two weeks of service as pro-bono - who can check?
Or I drive my neighbor to church, I deduct it at taxi rates? who can dispute?
Or I spend a day helping out at a church dinner, I deduct at chef's rates.
This would blow a hole in the tax code.
Posted by: nine coconuts at January 27, 2010 08:19 AM (DHNp4)
Posted by: dagny at January 27, 2010 08:20 AM (9UmL5)
and apparently clinton wanted a "btu tax"? Nice of the libs of MSNBC to bring this stuff up.
Posted by: curious at January 27, 2010 08:23 AM (p302b)
Posted by: curious at January 27, 2010 08:24 AM (p302b)
I couldn't agree more. The GOP has a golden opportunity here. For the short term, enact legislation immediately that will provide incremental improvement. For the long term, devise a way for employees to take control of health insurance currently provided by employers. Somehow we've got to get away from the current prepaid health care model to an actual health insurance model.
Posted by: Bugler at January 27, 2010 08:25 AM (YCVBL)
Posted by: curious at January 27, 2010 08:26 AM (p302b)
Bugher, you sound like a dem making a suggestion to the republicans to shape their message. That hasn't worked for them, having the dems shape their message and honestly most people want government out of their health care entirely.
Maybe they should clean up medicare if there is so much fraud in it, do soemthing possitive.
Posted by: curious at January 27, 2010 08:29 AM (p302b)
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Posted by: dagny at January 27, 2010 08:33 AM (9UmL5)
Health care for indigents is being provided at public expense now, and that will continue. The question is how to do that most efficiently. It seems to me that using the tax code to encourage doctors to provide service at no charge might result in reduced public cost, improved delivery of services, or some combination of the two. And it would allow a market-based system to remain in place for those who can pay. Again, I'm no expert, but this just seems like a no-brainer to me.
Posted by: Bugler at January 27, 2010 08:34 AM (YCVBL)
Erin is saying she is surprised the guy said so much. So, if they let him say that much, what the heck is he coming out with now?
Posted by: curious at January 27, 2010 08:34 AM (p302b)
No, Vic. I was very surprised to hear this
from conversations with doctors, but they are not allowed to deduct the
cost of their services, only the cost of supplies used when they work
for free.
If it were possible the lawyers would already be doing it. Period.
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Posted by: Hussein the Plumber at January 27, 2010 08:44 AM (r1h5M)
"It's kind of a thaw not a freeze and they are now trying to steel jam through a new entitlement program that grows at 8% a year according to the CBO"
Per that hot hot hottie Representative Paul Ryan on MSNBC now. Oh seeing Paul Ryan just makes my morning better.
Posted by: curious at January 27, 2010 08:44 AM (p302b)
Posted by: T.S. Eliot at January 27, 2010 08:45 AM (BFqyO)
Posted by: Valiant at January 27, 2010 08:47 AM (UKSRV)
LINK to access Ryan's plan and read it.
Posted by: curious at January 27, 2010 08:47 AM (p302b)
The hotest man in the Congress set up a website with a plan for you?
Posted by: curious at January 27, 2010 08:49 AM (p302b)
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Posted by: curious at January 27, 2010 08:53 AM (p302b)
I agree with Ryan's proposals, yes. It's interesting that you don't think he "sounds like a Dem."
Posted by: Bugler at January 27, 2010 08:53 AM (YCVBL)
Posted by: curious at January 27, 2010 08:56 AM (p302b)
I agree with Ryan's proposals, yes. It's interesting that you don't think he "sounds like a Dem."
Posted by: Bugler at January 27, 2010 08:53 AM (YCVBL)"
Been following his career for a while, know him and what he's thinking. don't know you.
Posted by: curious at January 27, 2010 08:58 AM (p302b)
Posted by: Griff at January 27, 2010 08:58 AM (O9Cc8)
Bugher, I'm an independent. I don't trust either side. I make my decisions with a lot of research and thought, I don't "vote lightly" because some party tells me the guy has a D or an R after his name and I should just vote for them and not think. I think more and more people are paying more and more attention. That's good for the good guys and not good for those who think they can just rest on their name or their laurels.
Posted by: curious at January 27, 2010 09:01 AM (p302b)
Posted by: Winston Smith at January 27, 2010 09:04 AM (BFqyO)
Posted by: Gay Independent Cockus at January 27, 2010 09:05 AM (aVQo/)
what is impressive about Ryan is that you know he takes his job seriously. I have never seen him "unprepared" and he always fully understands his subject and, even if it difficult, like some of the financial stuff, he somehow manages to break it down so the average person can understand where he is going. In watching a lot of the hearings, many of them don't understand what is going on themselves so how can they even ask these guys an intelligent question. They think nothing of embarrassing themselves in front of their peers and the American people with their absolute lack of understanding and knowledge as regards the financial situation. Ryan doesn't do this. If you ask him a question and he isn't sure of the answer, then he comes back to the interviewer with the answer when he has it. That is what is impressive. the others try to fudge their way through and often provide a good laugh for those who understand.
Posted by: curious at January 27, 2010 09:06 AM (p302b)
Posted by: Winston Smith at January 27, 2010 09:07 AM (BFqyO)
May I subscribe to your newsletter?
Posted by: Andi Sullivan at January 27, 2010 09:09 AM (YCVBL)
Posted by: Winston Smith at January 27, 2010 09:09 AM (BFqyO)
Posted by: Bill Clinton at January 27, 2010 09:10 AM (ZG9as)
I have been known occasionally to issue a "report" from such quarters, but never anything so formal as a newsletter.
Now yours, on the other hand...
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Posted by: curious at January 27, 2010 09:12 AM (p302b)
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Posted by: curious at January 27, 2010 09:20 AM (p302b)
So what will become Barry's NEW AND IMPROVED SIGNATURE PROGRAM?
Posted by: GarandFan at January 27, 2010 09:20 AM (ZQBnQ)
I knew JFK, and Obama is no John F. Kennedy. Listen to Obama's State of Diversity Speech tonight, and weep if you must, but LAUGH AT THE DHIMMIWIT who thinks we are extinct dodos no longer alive in his way.
Mark Steyn yesterday on Rush advised the loyal opposition in Congress to laugh aloud in derision every time Obama tells another whopping LIE. Give the Alinksy Mouthpiece his own medicine: RIDICULE.
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Posted by: maverick muse at January 27, 2010 09:20 AM (+CLh/)"
They seem to be too afraid of the prez to ever do anything that would appeal to those watching or listening. Although a lot of libs/dems I know are not even aware that he speech is on tonight. I wonder if he didn't send them an email telling them to watch?
Posted by: curious at January 27, 2010 09:24 AM (p302b)
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Shhhhh, you're interrupting our fun.
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Posted by: curious at January 27, 2010 09:34 AM (p302b)
Keith Hennessey (former National Economic Council head under Bush, and aide to Trent Lott before that) has a good website at keithhennessey.com which breaks down all possible ways the bill could pass or fail, including the full procedure. It's kinda wonky and boring, but useful. Right now he's pretty much proclaimed it dead.
Posted by: Griff at January 27, 2010 09:35 AM (O9Cc8)
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Posted by: Winston Smith at January 27, 2010 09:38 AM (BFqyO)
Winston, people are going to have to become active as regards their insurance. Send the insuance companies a message the way the voters in Boston sent BO a huge message. Older people have described to me an old system where people had something called "major medical" for catastrophic circumstances and then they paid their own doctor bills. They tell me it was less complicated and less confusing. they also say that insurance became a perk of employment and all of a sudden everyone had it and it was covering everything. They said it started with the unions and their health plans, mostly with the teachers in place like NYC. Initially they tell me it wasn't cadillac by any means and some people didn't even use it cause it was so bad. I'm sure there are all kinds of laws that somehow protect the insurers but the consumer can effect change if they are guided on how to do it.
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Posted by: Big Daddy at January 27, 2010 10:03 AM (pOcKt)
I have to say I was fairly impressed. It doesn't solve all of the problems we have, but it solves a lot of them. I was halfway through the health care/Medicare/SS section and I said to myself, "This is all meaningless unless the tax code is reformed." Lo and behold, the tax code is the next section, and his proposal is a good one.
Having said that, it doesn't have a chance in hell of passing. Restructuring the tax code puts a LOT of accountants and lawyers out of work - accountants that currently have one hell of a lobby. They profit from our misery, and they won't let that gravy train stop rolling. It's going to take massive public outcry and demonstration in order for the politicians to implement something like this against the wishes of that lobby.
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Posted by: Hussein the Plumber
Gibbs said "every president makes mistakes, including Barack Obama" and said Obama has "not been shy" about admitting that.
gWb never admitted to a mistake to lamestream media. I liked that he held his ground on that. Never confess to the lamestream media. They have a way of twisting all you words around.
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Posted by: Just a Cynic.... at January 27, 2010 10:15 AM (v4UYp)
I'm not sure why the insurance company is to be blamed if an employer buys, and determines, the insurance for its employees. The insurance companies offer a product that employers think make a good benefit for employees, and is competitive with other companies. All this is subject to state regulation.
Also the polls seem indicate that of those who have insurance 80% are satisfied with their coverage. So, exactly, where is the problem. Is it the story of someone's aunt who died because an insurance company wouldn't pay for some experimental treatments. The fear mongers hear are Obama and his people. They take every "problem" with the system, say it needs to be fixed, when they KNOW that their fix will be worse then the problem.
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Moronic suggestions appreciated.
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