The Bush "era of secrecy" is over, the Obama "era of freaking weird labyrinthine secrecy" begins

A shiny new executive order as of 29DEC09

I'm still working slogging my way through this monstrosity of an EO consisting of twisty/twisting/twisted little mazes trying to digest it and figure out what it all means.

Here's what I've found so far that I'm 100% sure of:

-- There's a 10 year "default" on declassifying classified info unless a longer time frame was specified and justified.

-- Unclassified information may BECOME classified upon submission of a FOIA request for it...thus allowing for a public veneer of openness while reserving the right to clam up if said openness should prove inconvenient when someone actually learns of a document's existence and has the nerve to request it.

Its a very lengthy and tortuously worded EO and people will be analyzing its ramifications for quite a while I suspect. I don't imagine the professional intelligence community is terribly happy about the Byzantine procedures outlined here. Their jobs just got a lot harder.

Posted by: Purp at 10:44 AM



Comments

1 And I am positive this isn't designed so Obama's people can use it to cover their asses when necessary.
/sarc

Posted by: the real joe at January 02, 2010 10:48 AM (SUYSs)

2 Obama will just classify everything that goes on in his administration.

That's the ticket. Every thing will be fine as long as the American people don't know what the Obama administration is doing.

Unfortunately, it is the Obama administration that doesn't know what it is doing.

Not ready to lead, unable to act, incompetent to the core. And on top of all of that? Ignorant of basic reality.

Posted by: Jack at January 02, 2010 10:50 AM (bvDV5)

3 Shhhhh...
...you might disturb the media's slumber

Posted by: rum, sodomy and the lash at January 02, 2010 10:50 AM (AnTyA)

4 I believe the technical name for this is double secret probation.

Posted by: pep at January 02, 2010 10:51 AM (malh1)

5 PA...quit being a racist. Barky said he was going to have THE.MOST.TRANSPARENT.ADMINISTRATION.EVER.
...case closed...knock it off

Posted by: rum, sodomy and the lash at January 02, 2010 10:52 AM (AnTyA)

6 So, with this statement in the EO: "(4) the original classification authority determines that the unauthorized disclosure of the information reasonably could be expected to result in damage to the national security, which includes defense against transnational terrorism, and the original classification authority is able to identify or describe the damage." and the set-up by puddle-headed Liberal (BIRM) Joan Walsh of Salon Finds Criticism of Obama "Traitorous", anything that is embarrassing to the Obama Reich will be classified tout-suite. A-feaking-mazing!

Posted by: buzzsaw6 at January 02, 2010 10:54 AM (r6nat)

7 Damn. I just had my annual training on this shiite and now I'm going to have to sit through this again and look for the changes.

Posted by: CDR M at January 02, 2010 10:55 AM (cvmTR)

8 Their jobs just got a lot harder.

In newspeak, harder is the new softer, just like my penis

Posted by: Barack Obama at January 02, 2010 10:55 AM (PWj+8)

9 I just like explaining all this cute crap to my husband (who grew up in the Soviet Union).

He is rather impressed that we are doing all this without (so far) putting someone up against the wall or shooting dissidents, however.

Posted by: bigpinkfluffybunny at January 02, 2010 10:56 AM (KWhJd)

10 You are ALL on double-secret probation!

Posted by: 141 Driver at January 02, 2010 10:57 AM (JFNQ7)

11 I wonder if section "1.4, e. scientific, technological, or economic matters relating to the national security" will be used to say we have scientific proof that CO2 is killing the planet, the data is classified but we have to do something trust us. Same thing with the economic part for Spendulus 2, 3 and 4 and maybe 5. I'm kidding but with these guys in charge, the skies the limit for that type stuff. With a willing MSM, they can get away with it.

Posted by: CDR M at January 02, 2010 10:58 AM (cvmTR)

12 Yes, he is all for openess and declassifying MILITARY things. He is all for doing shit that weakens the U.S.
When it comes to what his administration is ding he believes in the "black hole" theory of operation.
This loser is going to assure that Democrats will not win ANY elections in 2010. Provided the Republicans do not keep their heads up their asses.

Posted by: Vic at January 02, 2010 11:00 AM (QrA9E)

13 CDR M -- the more words there are, the more it can be twisted like taffy...

Posted by: Purple Avenger at January 02, 2010 11:01 AM (cs6jm)

14 I wonder if there is some concern over certain FOIA requests that they think are coming or already submitted that could potentially paint them in an unfavorable light, especially in light of the Xmas day bomb attempt. I can't imagine that this was a planned EO, especially since the President knew he was going to be on vacation at the time of its issuance and it is established the President does not like to interrupt his vacations. This EO has something to do with the terror attack. The question is, what is currently declassified that will now be reclassified?

Posted by: CDR M at January 02, 2010 11:02 AM (cvmTR)

15 OK, for the dense among us, what is an EO?
Next, is there a law that covers what is classified, when and for how long?

Posted by: Decaf at January 02, 2010 11:02 AM (uawMX)

16 Unclassified information may BECOME classified upon submission of a FOIA request for it...thus allowing for a public veneer of openness while reserving the right to clam up if said openness should prove inconvenient when someone actually learns of a document's existence and has the nerve to request it.
Information that is readily available until you ask for it. Novel concept.

Posted by: huerfano at January 02, 2010 11:03 AM (9szrE)

17 executive order

Posted by: phoenixgirl at January 02, 2010 11:04 AM (ucxC/)

18 If I were a derivative classifier, I believe I'd be shooting myself right about now...

Posted by: Additional Blond Agent at January 02, 2010 11:05 AM (SHKl9)

19 Imagine the level of sphincter puckering from the media the left (BIRM), if a Republican president were to try this.

Posted by: Che Pizza at January 02, 2010 11:06 AM (4iIhs)

20
Damn I am good huh?

OsamaHusseinIslamObama 2012'
(the terrorist-Uighur-ACORN-media choice)
-It's never too early to campaign-

Posted by: Barry Soetoro (D-King OF The World!!!) at January 02, 2010 11:07 AM (1OHLz)

21 gibbs job just got easier.........sorry, that's classified

Posted by: phoenixgirl at January 02, 2010 11:08 AM (ucxC/)

22 Still can't wait until the trials begin to put these mofo's behind bars!!!

Posted by: 'Nam Grunt at January 02, 2010 11:08 AM (nmfvn)

23 I would personally love to turn the key on Gibbs cell after someone pulled my boot out of his sorry ass, what a pussy.

Posted by: 'Nam Grunt at January 02, 2010 11:10 AM (nmfvn)

24 WillJug Ear's college transcripts be put under this EO?

Posted by: TexasJew at January 02, 2010 11:11 AM (3Uz3f)

25
Imagine the level of sphincter puckering from the media the left (BIRM), if a Republican president were to try this.

Posted by: Che Pizza at January 02, 2010 11:06 AM (4iIhs)




Not to mention, he also signed an executive order allowing Interpol to operate within our borders with impunity. Jake Tapper asked Robert Gibbs about this last week and he basically said "no comment".

Posted by: Blazer at January 02, 2010 11:11 AM (t72+4)

26 Information that is readily available until you ask for it.
Oh, yeh. All my personal info is readily available to y'all. Really. I'm not shy, I'm totally open 'n stuff.

Posted by: Mama AJ at January 02, 2010 11:11 AM (Be4xl)

27 24 texas jew

classified

Posted by: phoenixgirl at January 02, 2010 11:12 AM (ucxC/)

28 I'm kidding but with these guys in charge, the skies the limit for that type stuff. With a willing MSM, they can get away with it.
CDR M, in the age of Walter Cronkite the MSM could have got away with it but not any more. Now we have internet,bloggers andFacebook(Sarah Palin), time's up.
Think back to Howard Dean's early surge and fundraising and then Obama's phenomenal (and un-corroborated) fundraising. Conservatives may be slow but they still learn and now the tables have been turned.

Posted by: Decaf at January 02, 2010 11:13 AM (uawMX)

29 Section 1.3 (c) (4): Each delegation of original classification authority shall be in
writing and the authority shall not be redelegated except as provided
in this order. Each delegation shall identify the official by name or
position.

I read this to say that if a document is classified "Secret," for instance, there will be a record of who classified it at that level. Can anyone tell me if this is a change from previous policy? CDR M, can you comment on this?

Posted by: Josef K. at January 02, 2010 11:13 AM (7+pP9)

30 freedom to ask for information but not guaranteed to get it act

Posted by: phoenixgirl at January 02, 2010 11:15 AM (ucxC/)

31 depends on who's asking

Posted by: phoenixgirl at January 02, 2010 11:16 AM (ucxC/)

32
I would personally love to turn the key on Gibbs cell after someone pulled my boot out of his sorry ass, what a pussy.

Posted by: 'Nam Grunt at January 02, 2010 11:10 AM (nmfvn)
That's really unfair to your boot.

Posted by: Tami at January 02, 2010 11:16 AM (VuLos)

33 Section 1.3 (c) (4):

i.e. establish a long list of people to throw under the bus before any responsibility for a fuckup could possibly reach the Whitehouse.

Posted by: Purple Avenger at January 02, 2010 11:17 AM (cs6jm)

34
Obama and his cronies are very much doing right now what the left feared Bush was going to do before his term was up and not nary a peep out of them or the SRM.

Funny how that works, aint it ?

Posted by: Blazer at January 02, 2010 11:17 AM (t72+4)

35 I'm asking because I think it might be very interesting to see who classifies individual documents. Heck, I could see a cottage industry of bloggers asking for a document, then asking who classified it, then asking for any communications directing that person to classify said document, etc... There's potential for lots of fun and embarassment here.

Posted by: Josef K. at January 02, 2010 11:17 AM (7+pP9)

36 Now we have internet,bloggers andFacebook(Sarah Palin), time's up.
For now.

Posted by: Rodent Liberation Front at January 02, 2010 11:18 AM (dQdrY)

37 33
Section 1.3 (c) (4):

i.e.
establish a long list of people to throw under the bus before any
responsibility for a fuckup could possibly reach the Whitehouse.


Posted by: Purple Avenger at January 02, 2010 11:17 AM (cs6jm)

Exactly. Hilarity could ensue if this, under the law of unintended consequences, exposes any internal machinations on the part of the White House or executive agencies.

Posted by: Josef K. at January 02, 2010 11:19 AM (7+pP9)

38 35 I'm asking because I think it might be very interesting to see who classifies individual documents
No doubt that will be classified as well

Posted by: rum, sodomy and the lash at January 02, 2010 11:20 AM (AnTyA)

39 Heck, I could see a cottage industry of bloggers asking for a document, then asking who classified it

Here's your document sir:

xxxx xxxxxxxxxx xx xxxx xxxxx xxx. xxxx xxx xxxxxxxxx xxxx xxxxxxx xxxxx. xxxx xxxx xxxxxx xxxx xxxxx xxxxx xxxxxx xxxxxx xxxxxx xxxxxxx xxxx.xxxx xxxxxxxxxx xx xxxx xxxxx xxx. xxxx xxx xxxxxxxxx xxxx xxxxxxx xxx
xx. xxxx xxxx xxxxxx xxxx xxxxx xxxxx xxxxxx xxxxxx xxxxxx xxxxxxx xxxx.xxxx xxxxxxxxxx xx xxxx xxxxx xxx. xxxx xxx xxxxxxxxx xxxx xxxxxxx xxx
xx. xxxx xxxx xxxxxx xxxx xxxxx xxxxx xxxxxx xxxxxx xxxxxx xxxxxxx xxxx.

We thank you for your interest.

Posted by: Purple Avenger at January 02, 2010 11:21 AM (cs6jm)

40 Every taxpayer should classify their returns from now on from this admin.

Posted by: 'Nam Grunt at January 02, 2010 11:22 AM (nmfvn)

41 Can the classify the reason the Interpol agents took your neighbors away?

Posted by: Rodent Liberation Front at January 02, 2010 11:23 AM (dQdrY)

42 I had to print out that OE, make it easier to do all that cross-referencing....sheesh....all twenty pages of it.
NG @22-- I, too,was hoping to see some arrests take place at the WH (and in HI) this past week. Bars hell, I think the penalty for treason is death.

Posted by: Stillwater at January 02, 2010 11:23 AM (qUdDE)

43 I'm sure that the timing of the release of this had absolutely nothing to do with the fact that the began there vacations the day before.
ya know..I'm starting to dislike this Barky guy

Posted by: rum, sodomy and the lash at January 02, 2010 11:23 AM (AnTyA)

44 Section 1.3 (c) (5): Delegations of original classification authority shall be reported
or made available by name or position to the Director of the
Information Security Oversight Office.

Maybe we can just keep requesting this information as part of a "Death by a thousand cuts" policy. One of Alinsky's rules, after all, is to hold the enemy to his standards.

Posted by: Josef K. at January 02, 2010 11:23 AM (7+pP9)

45 Imagine the level of sphincter puckering from the media the left (BIRM), if a Republican president were to try this.
Remember all the hell they raised when Cheney declassified some stuff that explained why they were doing what they were doing.

Posted by: Vic at January 02, 2010 11:23 AM (QrA9E)

46 Now we have internet,bloggers andFacebook(Sarah Palin), time's up.
For now.
OK, Rodent, there are enough votes at the moment to do a lot of damage but likewise after the 2010 midterms there may be enough votes to undo much of it.

Posted by: Decaf at January 02, 2010 11:26 AM (uawMX)

47 how much stimulus money was actually spent? classified

what is in the healthcare bill? classified

how many people attended the dc tea party? classified

how did the panty bomber get through security? classified

how long have you known the party crashers? classified

where is michelle's mother? classified

who did you vacation with over Christmas? classified

do you still have the dog? classified

Posted by: phoenixgirl at January 02, 2010 11:26 AM (ucxC/)

48

What are the results of the 2012 presidential election ? Classified

Posted by: Blazer at January 02, 2010 11:27 AM (t72+4)

49 Nothing up my sleeve.

Posted by: Obama Copperfield at January 02, 2010 11:27 AM (5I0Yr)

50 That Interpol thing really smacks of unconstitutionality, in that Obumblefuck seems have surrendered national sovereignty, and the Police Power, to a foreign agency. Just wait til they knock at Bush/Cheney's doors to arrest them as war criminals.
Obumblefuck delenda est.

Posted by: effinayright at January 02, 2010 11:27 AM (lQRmV)

51 For the first time in my life I'm starting to think I might outlive the Republic. Unless I keep drinking these finely crafted ales and lagers.

Posted by: 48%er at January 02, 2010 11:27 AM (QOE7k)

52 Here's your document sirxxx xxxxxxxxxx xx xxxx xxxxx xxx. xxxx xxx xxxxxxxxx xxxx xxxxxxx xxxxx. xxxx xxxx xxxxxx xxxx xxxxx xxxxx xxxxxx xxxxxx xxxxxx xxxxxxx xxxx.xxxx xxxxxxxxxx xx xxxx xxxxx xxx. xxxx xxx xxxxxxxxx xxxx xxxxxxx xxx
xx. xxxx xxxx xxxxxx xxxx xxxxx xxxxx xxxxxx xxxxxx xxxxxx xxxxxxx xxxx.xxxx xxxxxxxxxx xx xxxx xxxxx xxx. xxxx xxx xxxxxxxxx xxxx xxxxxxx xxx
xx. xxxx xxxx xxxxxx xxxx xxxxx xxxxx xxxxxx xxxxxx xxxxxx xxxxxxx xxxx.We thank you for your interest.

Thanks. Now, please tell me who classified it and when. Oh, and who requested the classification?

Maybe we can just get every blogger on the right to do this, and to urge all their readers to do this. A veritable Army of Davids swamping the government with requests, and filing lawsuits, and publicizing it on blogs, and generally harassing the Obama administration.

Posted by: Josef K. at January 02, 2010 11:27 AM (7+pP9)

53 29
Section 1.3 (c) (4): Each delegation of original classification authority shall be in
writing and the authority shall not be redelegated except as provided
in this order. Each delegation shall identify the official by name or
position.

I
read this to say that if a document is classified "Secret," for
instance, there will be a record of who classified it at that level.
Can anyone tell me if this is a change from previous policy? CDR M, can
you comment on this?


Posted by: Josef K. at January 02, 2010 11:13 AM (7+pP9)
Not sure. I have a Top Secret SCI clearance and deal with it on a daily basis and usually deal with derivative classification operationally. Our intel guys are the ones who take our work and push it up the stovepipe. Never focused on who actually classified the data, just the details in said documents.

Posted by: CDR M at January 02, 2010 11:28 AM (cvmTR)

54 It would appear the public's watchdog is too busy ass licking, to do any actual reporting.

Posted by: bill-tb at January 02, 2010 11:28 AM (y+QfZ)

55 I'm casting my primary vote for whomever is first to announce that their first order of business will be to void every one of Obama's EOs; but damn three more years of this destruction unless the 52% wake up and start demanding impeachment and we have enough repub's in congress to oblige. Oh joy maybe a long shot of 'only' a couple more years.

Posted by: paleRider at January 02, 2010 11:29 AM (CtQJP)

56 Hey, as long as Obama doesn't execute Order 66, whatever, man.

Posted by: Obi-Wan Kenobi at January 02, 2010 11:30 AM (Gsep6)

57 NPR ran a fluffer interview this AM with the new Underscty of Justice for deciding who gets law-enforcement-related DoJ grants. Twit interviewer just let her imply Bush DoJ was all secret and evil, but Obama's is all wonderful and open because they publish a list on their website. Fuck oh dear the NPR guy had all the inquisitiveness of a rock - everythingthe Obametteasserted he just lapped up and said that's just wonderful, ma'am!
The media is useless when the Dems are in power, and traitorous when they are not. Fuck them all to death.

Posted by: sherlock at January 02, 2010 11:30 AM (ktKOD)

58 http://tinyurl.com/yb2q4nn

Off topic,
Police shoot, kill Somali man armed with knife, ax at cartoonist Kurt Westergaard’s home in Denmark

Posted by: Barack Obama at January 02, 2010 11:31 AM (PWj+8)

59 53,

Ummmm, I have knowledge of what goes on as far as clearances, should you really be posting yours out in the open Mister?

Posted by: 'Nam Grunt at January 02, 2010 11:32 AM (nmfvn)

60
cut and pasted it into word. 12,895 words long. It believe what it says is 'no matter what, we have a clause that covers that'

Posted by: Artruen at January 02, 2010 11:32 AM (L+dBi)

61
Off topic, Police shoot, kill Somali man armed with knife, ax at cartoonist Kurt Westergaard’s home in Denmark

Posted by: Barack Obama at January 02, 2010 11:31 AM (PWj+




The funny part about that is he wanted to kill the cartoonist for saying Islam was violent.

Evidently they don't teach anything about irony in the Muslim world.

Posted by: Blazer at January 02, 2010 11:33 AM (t72+4)

62 #34- The Left is all about projection.

DC is a giant black hole/alternate universe. These assholes are trying to hide from their own people.

Posted by: Pawn at January 02, 2010 11:34 AM (eJXbB)

63 OK, it just clicked that EO stands for executive order. What exactly can the president declare out of bounds? If it's everything then you may want to have a look again at that document called the Consitution? (Being an Aussie I don't knowmuch about it).

Posted by: Decaf at January 02, 2010 11:34 AM (uawMX)

64 the public's watchdog

Never heard of it.

Posted by: Charles Gibson at January 02, 2010 11:35 AM (cs6jm)

65 oh the transparency!

Posted by: phoenixgirl at January 02, 2010 11:35 AM (ucxC/)

66 mr president.....why so much secrecy? classified

Posted by: phoenixgirl at January 02, 2010 11:36 AM (ucxC/)

67 that document called the Consitution?

Never heard of it.

Posted by: Charles Gibson at January 02, 2010 11:36 AM (cs6jm)

68 Interesting, this EO goes into effect in 180 days except sections 1.7, 3.3 and 3.7 which are effective immediately. 1.7 deals with reclassifying information after declassification (hmmm). 3.3 deals with automatic declassification and 3.7 deals with the National Declassification Center. These are the sections to focus on. I gather, this is where any changes have been made.

Posted by: CDR M at January 02, 2010 11:36 AM (cvmTR)

69

oh the transparency!

Posted by: phoenixgirl at January 02, 2010 11:35 AM (ucxC/)



It doesn't mean what they think it means. I believe they have transparency confused with totally invisible.

Posted by: Blazer at January 02, 2010 11:37 AM (t72+4)

70 NPR ran a fluffer interview this AM with the new Underscty of Justice for deciding who gets law-enforcement-related DoJ grants
We haven't had a real media since Watergate. They all got in bed with the communists and haven't got back out again. What is really bad is that they are destroying the first amendment by making it irrelevant.

Posted by: Vic at January 02, 2010 11:37 AM (QrA9E)

71 Just keeps getting weirder and weirder. When is someone going to stop this guy!!!?

Posted by: Mrs. Compton at January 02, 2010 11:37 AM (NaJ/S)

72 first amendment

Never heard of it.

Posted by: Charles Gibson at January 02, 2010 11:38 AM (cs6jm)

73 71,

'10 '12!!

Posted by: 'Nam Grunt at January 02, 2010 11:39 AM (nmfvn)

74 why were the 2010 & 2012 elections postponed? classified

Posted by: phoenixgirl at January 02, 2010 11:39 AM (ucxC/)

75

This administration is going to need a diesel powered paper shredder and a blast furnace operating full tilt come November of 2012.

Posted by: Blazer at January 02, 2010 11:40 AM (t72+4)

76 Why did odumbass and nappy fall on their asses on 12-22-'09??? Not classified!

Posted by: 'Nam Grunt at January 02, 2010 11:41 AM (nmfvn)

77 why is it getting colder when it is supposed to be getting hotter? classified

Posted by: phoenixgirl at January 02, 2010 11:42 AM (ucxC/)

78

Mr. President, does anyone know the whereabouts of Mr. Limbaugh, Mr. Beck and Ms. Coulter ? CLASSIFIED

Posted by: Blazer at January 02, 2010 11:43 AM (t72+4)

79 Posted by: bill-tb at January 02, 2010 11:28 AM (y+QfZ)

Awesome comment, I'm going to use it a lot.

Posted by: davidt at January 02, 2010 11:43 AM (gr1ua)

80 "Under the direction of the National Declassification Center (NDC), and utilizing recommendations of an ongoing Business Process Review in support of the NDC, referrals and quality assurance problems within a backlog of more than 400 million pages of accessioned Federal records previously subject to automatic declassification shall be addressed in a manner that will permit public access to all declassified records from this backlog no later than December 31, 2013. In order to promote the efficient and effective utilization of finite resources available for declassification, further referrals of these records are not required except for those containing information that would clearly and demonstrably reveal: (a) the identity of a confidential human source or a human intelligence source; or
(b) key design concepts of weapons of mass destruction."
That is from the Executive Implementation Order. Here is the link.
http://27zj.sl.pt

Posted by: CDR M at January 02, 2010 11:43 AM (cvmTR)

81 67
that document called the Consitution?

Never heard of it.


Posted by: Charles Gibson at January 02, 2010 11:36 AM (cs6jm)

Not to worry, Mr. Gibson. That document is now classified.

Posted by: Josef K. at January 02, 2010 11:45 AM (7+pP9)

82 80,

Too late they are trying to cover their sorry asses now, but the flood gates are open for everyone to see!

Posted by: 'Nam Grunt at January 02, 2010 11:46 AM (nmfvn)

83 Happy new [classified]! everyone! I bet this [classified] is going to be the best [classified] eva!! My new [classified] predictions for this [classified] are as follows:
1. a 10% increase in gun sales over last [classified].
2. a significant increase in ammunition prices this [classified].
3. Unemployment reaches 0 this [classified] because everyone on UE has lost their bene's and has been removed from the count.
4. [classified]

Posted by: UGRev at January 02, 2010 11:46 AM (862vz)

84 Semi-OT: JANET NAPOLITANO: PLEASE CHANGE YOUR NAME. P L E A S E!

Posted by: Mafia of Naples, Italy at January 02, 2010 11:46 AM (Hv1Cx)

85 The Heisenberg Uncertainty principle of politics...

If you don't want to observe it, it will be publicly available; if you officially request the info, it will be secret.


Posted by: meep at January 02, 2010 11:47 AM (Jw4eT)

86 84 mafia

change her name and place of residency...we don't want her back........

Posted by: phoenixgirl at January 02, 2010 11:48 AM (ucxC/)

87 Re: 83: I sense a new meme. I can hardly wait to see the reaction from the [classified].

Posted by: Josef K. at January 02, 2010 11:49 AM (7+pP9)

88 Man these people are schtooooopid, no fear, liberals will never hold office again after this fiasco is over.

Posted by: 'Nam Grunt at January 02, 2010 11:50 AM (nmfvn)

89 Nam, you're probably right.

Posted by: CDR M at January 02, 2010 11:50 AM (cvmTR)

90 key design concepts of weapons of mass destruction

But if you want to know everything about how Aegis works or maybe the F-15 or Ohio boomer blueprints, that'll be just fine.

Posted by: Purple Avenger at January 02, 2010 11:51 AM (cs6jm)

91 Now how does this EO pertain to say maybe the upcoming KSM trial? I assume that there is a great deal of declassified and/or classified data that his attorneys would love to get their hands to defend their client properly.

Posted by: CDR M at January 02, 2010 11:53 AM (cvmTR)

92 oh look! some unclassified tidbits!

addresses and home numbers for the rightwing bloggers, radio show hosts and tv hosts........a long with pictures of their children, spouses, significant others.....

Posted by: phoenixgirl at January 02, 2010 11:53 AM (ucxC/)

93 medical records of the "enemies" unclassified

Posted by: phoenixgirl at January 02, 2010 11:54 AM (ucxC/)

94

HOPE CLASSIFIED

Posted by: Blazer at January 02, 2010 11:57 AM (t72+4)

95 Going on 3 years now at Ace's place and can say unequivocally that the majority of morons and moronettes here are sufficiently tuned in to what's up with the Obama administration, and their willing accomplices in the media.
This administration is all about exercising maximum control, and they will not allow anyone or anything to stand in the way.
What I'm saying is that it will, in the end, be left up to a grass roots revolt to educate the existing power structure that folks have had enough.
All of us, secure in our belief that the Constitution will prevail in the end, also know enough about life to plan for contingencies.
Pray that the 2010 midterms are the vehicle for retaking control of our Government.

Posted by: solitary knight at January 02, 2010 11:57 AM (OQm1B)

96

YES WE CLASSIFIED !

Posted by: Blazer at January 02, 2010 11:58 AM (t72+4)

97 This administration is going to need a diesel powered paper shredder and a blast furnace operating full tilt come November of 2012.
Not enough room in Sandy Burglar's pants?

Posted by: huerfano at January 02, 2010 11:58 AM (9szrE)

98 So President Douchetool can make anything that could be embarassing classified at his whim.
Fabulous.

Posted by: drjohn at January 02, 2010 11:58 AM (LUqSa)

99 Awesome comment, I'm going to use it a lot.

Great. Another numbnuts who just woke up after twenty years...

Posted by: Additional Blond Agent at January 02, 2010 11:58 AM (SHKl9)

100 98,

Then will he tell us how many 2x4's he has to tie to his scrawny ass before he hits the klingon??

Posted by: 'Nam Grunt at January 02, 2010 11:59 AM (nmfvn)

101 Pardon me for being optimistic, but this section sounds like something that could be of use:
Sec. 1.7. Classification Prohibitions and Limitations. (a) In no case shall information be classified, continue to be maintained as classified, or fail to be declassified in order to1) conceal violations of law, inefficiency, or administrative error;
(2) prevent embarrassment to a person, organization, or agency;
Just sayin'...

Posted by: BackwardsBoy at January 02, 2010 12:00 PM (i3AsK)

102 I'd like to see a reporter ask this Administration what drove the issuance of this EO.

Posted by: CDR M at January 02, 2010 12:00 PM (cvmTR)

103 Backwardsboy, they get a lot of get out jail free cards in the paragraphs that follow what you just posted.

Posted by: CDR M at January 02, 2010 12:01 PM (cvmTR)

104 102,

Well hells bells they be scared because they fucked up out in the open, why else!!

Posted by: 'Nam Grunt at January 02, 2010 12:01 PM (nmfvn)

105
Posted by: BackwardsBoy at January 02, 2010 12:00 PM (i3AsK)





You don't think they'll actually obey those rules do you?

Posted by: Blazer at January 02, 2010 12:02 PM (t72+4)

106 What I'm saying is that it will, in the end, be left up to a grass roots revolt to educate the existing power structure that folks have had enough.
Tea parties will have to be organised in the summer yet again just to drive the message home.

Posted by: Decaf at January 02, 2010 12:02 PM (uawMX)

107 @ 103
Yeah, I know. And what PA said upthread about words being twisted like taffy is true.
But still, using Alinsky's rule about holding them to their own standards could be great fun in the right hands...

Posted by: BackwardsBoy at January 02, 2010 12:03 PM (i3AsK)

108 Actually none of this EO means a damn thing, because the CIA has been embarrassed by this group of idiot thugs and they will leak everything they can to shine the sun on these mofo's, just wait and see.

Posted by: 'Nam Grunt at January 02, 2010 12:05 PM (nmfvn)

109 The problem with FIOA requests like that with this crew in power is you make yourself a target they won't hesitate to strike back at. If an IRS audit every year for the rest of your life appeals to you, go for it.

Seriously, these people scare me just a little bit about what retribution they're willing to bring down on private citizens who cross them.

Posted by: Purple Avenger at January 02, 2010 12:09 PM (cs6jm)

110 I don't imagine the professional intelligence community is terribly happy about the Byzantine procedures outlined here. Their jobs just got a lot harder.

Hahahaha, PA, are you referring to those chaps who brought us the panty bomber?

Like I give 2 dead flies about their happiness. Professional means performance no matter personal feelings. Could we have some performance, please?

Posted by: dr kill at January 02, 2010 12:11 PM (tGYpf)

111 108. OK, the CIA leaks whatever. And the MSM gives it as much attention as BHO's sweetheart property deal with Rezko or pick from the several other such examples. Has the general public realized they need to look for information from outside sources yet? Or is the MarxistStreamMedia going to throw BO under the bus to save themselves?

Posted by: paleRider at January 02, 2010 12:14 PM (CtQJP)

112 As note by Purple Avenger, this seems to be designed to provide transparency while at the same time making it easier to classify things, making the transparency provisions rather useless. Too bad liberals won't be asking questions about that and instead will use the crippled transparency elements to claim Obama is removing the secrecy of the Bush administration, all hail his wonderfulness and all that.

Posted by: Mark at January 02, 2010 12:14 PM (63Cb8)

113 Every person in history who said "it can't happen here" has, ultimately, been wrong.

Posted by: Rodent Liberation Front at January 02, 2010 12:18 PM (dQdrY)

114 If anyone's doing research in the National Archives, better hurry, since the info that you can access now may become classified (unless previously stolen by Sandy Burger, of course):

(c) Information may not be reclassified after declassification and release to the public under proper authority unless4) for documents in the physical and legal custody of the National Archives and Records Administration (National Archives) that have been available for public use, the agency head has, after making the determinations required by this paragraph, notified the Archivist of the United States (Archivist), who shall suspend public access pending approval of the reclassification action by the Director of the Information Security Oversight Office.

Posted by: JBean at January 02, 2010 12:23 PM (HJCCQ)

115 ABA, I was simply acknowledging bill-tb's cleverness before helping spread the, "MSM licking its ass," meme.

Posted by: numbnuts at January 02, 2010 12:28 PM (gr1ua)

116 We now have the "oopsie exception". If somebody asks for a piece of unclassified information that might reveal that Obama or one of his cronies in the White House had somehow stepped on their dicks, well then "oopsie". Sorry, can't tell you--that's now "classified". Whatta punch of yard long putzes with golf shoes.

Posted by: Chicken Choker & Corncob Smoker at January 02, 2010 12:29 PM (ktYjH)

117 Not to mention, he also signed an executive order allowing Interpol to operate within our borders with impunity. Jake Tapper asked Robert Gibbs about this last week and he basically said "no comment".
Posted by: Blazer
wut?
i remember just a few years ago hearing a quote from some drunk about fascism and a cross in america...that guy was never right.
i said before the election when it was clear obama was going to win....that it was ball dippingly ironic that a (half) black man was going to lead the US back into slavery...although i was speaking of economic slavery.

Posted by: evil libertarian at January 02, 2010 12:37 PM (x9lGm)

118 I can see this now.
Blogger files FOIA request to get the publically circulated TSA security message that went out after Detroit. Blogger is told that this message has since be classified by this Executive Order. Blogger goes to court and judge rules in the blogger's favor. Blogger goes back for the message and is now told all copies of the message are now in the hands of Interpol. Blogger goes to Interpol and they laugh at blogger, they are immune to the order due to a previous Executive Order signed by President Obama.
Suddenly I am all for going Alinsky and filing requests and suits to find out who classified anything this administration classifies.

Posted by: Anna Puma at January 02, 2010 12:53 PM (c2qYS)

119 #52

Just finished reading Sarah Palins book, and basically, this is just how they ran her out of the Gov. office. Filing numerous FOIA, ethics charges, etc.

IOW, you may be onto something.

Posted by: fightobama at January 02, 2010 01:49 PM (6IV8T)

120 If'n ya can't be classy, ya can be Classified!

Posted by: hutch1200 at January 02, 2010 01:51 PM (hszyT)

121 Being a big Glenn Beck fan, I think a lot of what he says is spot on, but to me his most cogent comment was pointing out that the health care bill is 2000 pages, and the Constitution is 19 . Now this. They make an effort to make things unreadable and obtuse so,no matter what, anything can be interpreted as being in there.

Posted by: fightobama at January 02, 2010 02:02 PM (6IV8T)

122 They found ABORTION to be a a right within 19 pages where is never mentioned.
This is how LIBTARDS operate. At some pointWE will also stop playing by rules and the violence will ensue.

Posted by: gus at January 02, 2010 02:29 PM (Vqruj)

123 I took a look at the order, and posted about it here.

Posted by: Linda F at January 02, 2010 03:50 PM (2k1FC)

124 How long can they keep it secret that Obama is one big douche.
Oh wait...forget it.

Posted by: harry mellon at January 02, 2010 03:54 PM (6UPPZ)

125 What's the problem? You folks didn't seem to mind when Bush did it.

Posted by: JEA at January 02, 2010 08:08 PM (7N458)

126 PS. You obviously don't trust your government to protect you.

Posted by: JEA at January 02, 2010 08:09 PM (7N458)

127 124 One big douche flushing all that icky "liberty"out of America's Vag.

Posted by: steevy at January 02, 2010 08:33 PM (L6zE2)

128 The Executive Order - Classified National Security Information, December 29, 2009 is Irrational Beyond Irrationality.

NOT, EO-12/29/09, classifies every trace of the Obama administration. (Obama is classified 24/7/365.)

Impeach Obama

Posted by: Anon at January 02, 2010 09:41 PM (Bu4eX)

129 "Government Knows Best"

Posted by: Anon at January 02, 2010 09:44 PM (Bu4eX)

130 #29 - Every classified document has a classifier, usually the person who signs the document. Most general officers have this delegation, in my (limited) experience. Don't know what the previous EO said, but all the classifed documents I've produced were classified by the person that signed them. There are Defense and component regulations that implement this EO, which will change in response to it.
RLF at #113 - Sadly true.
JEA at #125 and 126 - Bush never did anything like this. And yes, we don't trust our government.
Okay, folks, this one falls into the "housekeeping" things - policy that has to be approved by the NCA by law, that usually gets signed pretty quickly because it's not anything special. Why did it take a year to do this? I'll check the previous versions at work later, but this is one of those things (like Cabinet secretaries) that should have been decided early and pushed into the system from the beginning. One year in? What have we been doing?

Posted by: Penultimatum at January 02, 2010 09:57 PM (CIKgX)

131 You folks didn't seem to mind when Bush did it.

Pretty vague statement. You need to define "it".

Posted by: Purple Avenger at January 02, 2010 11:25 PM (GfwTD)

132 "You folks didn't seem to mind when Bush did it."

I'm not sure what "it" is, but "Bush did it" sounds like something YOU did not like. So why DON'T you mind it when Obama "does" it?

"Bush shredded the constitution!"

Obama does 10X worse, and all you can say is, "you didn't mind when Bush did it."

Um. Do you realize how STUPID you sound? If you didn't like what Bush did, you need to absolutely HATE what Obama is doing, or you have no effing credibility at all, and need to go away.

Grow the fuck up.

Posted by: Thea at January 03, 2010 12:49 AM (/3dGX)

133
10 years is a very short time to protect military systems and technology. Too short a time. It used to be 25 years, and even that was short, leading to the renewal of a document's classification when it got near.

Turns out that a lot of critical work done in the 60's is still relevant today. It's difficult to reproduce, so other nations would love to have it. And given that many of our weapons systems are deployed for long periods of time (the F-15 design process was initiated 40 years ago, and it'll be in our inventory until 2025), aggressive declassification will make our military more vulnerable.

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Posted by: jason at January 03, 2010 11:03 AM (ihHym)

135 "Their jobs just got a lot harder."

You don't suppose a lawyer wrote that EO, do you?

Posted by: GarandFan at January 03, 2010 12:10 PM (ZQBnQ)

136 You don't suppose a lawyer wrote that EO, do you?

Actually, when I subsequently compared Obama's to Bush's, large parts were simply lifted from Bush's EO on classification with small, but significant changes here or there.

Both are outlandishly worded and overly complex.

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