Ping Pong: Dems to Avoid Conference in Favor of (Please Sit Down) Shady Back-Room Deal

They heard the American people. They just don't care.

When Democrats took over Congress in 2007, they increasingly did not send bills through the regular conference process. “We have to defer to the bigger picture,” explained Rep. Henry Waxman of California. So the children’s health insurance bill passed by the House that year was largely dumped in favor of the Senate’s version. House Ways and Means Chairman Charles Rangel and other Democrats complained the House had been “cut off at the knees” but ultimately supported the bill. Legislation on lobbying reform and the 2007 energy bill were handled the same way — without appointing an actual conference.

Rather than appoint members to a public conference committee, those measures were “ping-ponged” — i.e. changes to reconcile the two versions were transmitted by messenger between the two houses as the final product was crafted behind closed doors solely by the leadership. Many Democrats grumbled at the secrecy. “We need to get back to the point where we use conference committees . . . and have serious dialogue,” said Rep. Artur Davis of Alabama at the time.

But -- I don't know if this is a real "but" or more kabuki -- a Pelosi ally and top Democrat says it's time to start the process over.

In the House, we fought hard to repeal McCarran-Ferguson, the antitrust exemption that insurance companies have enjoyed for years. We did that because we believed firmly that those Fortune 500 corporations should not enjoy special treatment.

Yet the Senate bill does not include that provision — despite assurances from some members that they will seek to add it. By ending that protection, we will be able to go after insurance companies with federal penalties for misleading advertising or dishonest business practices…

And of course, the Senate bill did not remove the onerous choice language intended to appeal to anti-abortion forces…

It’s time that we draw the line on this weak bill and ask the Senate to go back to the drawing board.

Read both Ed's and Allah's commentary to realize this ain't going to be stopped in the House. Most of the Blue Dog hold-outs are ready to vote yes, probably just to end the discussion and, they wrongly think, put this unpleasantness behind them.

The vote was tight as a tick last time, and a couple of votes have been lost, but the bulk of the Blue Dogs will sell out their supposed "principles" gladly to make nice-nice with their liberal donor base and hope that everyone's forgotten by November 2010.

PS, We won't forget. And we won't give you "credit" for your posturing for a month or two as giving a rat's ass what your non-San-Fransisco-big-money-donors think.

We are going to end your careers.


Posted by: Ace at 04:47 PM



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1 Baccus just said something to the effect, "leadership means sometimes doing the hard thing, the thing you think is right".

I don't recall them saying that about Bush's decision to invade Iraq.

Dodd: "Health Care is a right"

Damn.

Posted by: GregInSeattle at December 23, 2009 04:50 PM (B5cM9)

2
I picked a good week to start sniffing glue again.

Posted by: Blazer at December 23, 2009 04:51 PM (+FzLa)

3 We are thoroughly screwed...

Posted by: CJH at December 23, 2009 04:51 PM (hvXDI)

4 You know, people do have a short political memory, but by short we usually mean 2 years. People aren't going to forget in less than a year.

There's no way the economy will be doing gangbusters enough to have gotten back to where we were with Bush, so it's not like they're going to have great news to distract anybody.

Even if aliens set foot on earth next year with the secret to long life and happiness, people wouldn't forget.

Posted by: meep at December 23, 2009 04:51 PM (Jw4eT)

5 So the Dems had best hope the extraterrestrials come with the secret for mass erasure of memories.

Posted by: meep at December 23, 2009 04:52 PM (Jw4eT)

6 Kabuki my ass, this Bukahki.

Posted by: dananjcon at December 23, 2009 04:53 PM (pr+up)

7 Serious question: does anyone think that the Dems will lose any seats whatsoever in 2010? They've still got ACORN and a compliant media to help them cheat their way to keeping power. I'll be stunned if they lose anything at all.

Posted by: BeckoningChasm at December 23, 2009 04:54 PM (IEJ4J)

8 When the paycheck keeps getting smaller and smaller, folks tend to remember why.
End their careers? If they're lucky that's all we'll do to them. Fuckers.

Posted by: KelliD at December 23, 2009 04:55 PM (Q9Cny)

9
So the Dems had best hope the extraterrestrials come with the secret for mass erasure of memories.

Posted by: meep at December 23, 2009 04:52 PM (Jw4eT)




The Dems already have that secret. Its called American Idol and Jersey Shore. Watch either show and your i.q. will drop 50 points.

Posted by: Blazer at December 23, 2009 04:55 PM (+FzLa)

10 This ishow theirvoters are feelling right now. Someone is getting their ass whooped.

Posted by: Mr. Pink at December 23, 2009 04:55 PM (SqAkN)

11 I hope people don't forget but how many are paying attention? Maybe I'm just too cynical. I lost all faith in the average American voter last November.

Posted by: wherestherum at December 23, 2009 04:55 PM (O0RVY)

12
We are going to end your careers.

Yes we can!

Posted by: ethos at December 23, 2009 04:56 PM (0fzsA)

13
Serious question: does anyone think that the Dems
will lose any seats whatsoever in 2010? They've still got ACORN and a
compliant media to help them cheat their way to keeping power. I'll be
stunned if they lose anything at all.

Posted by: BeckoningChasm at December 23, 2009 04:54 PM (IEJ4J)





Not to mention they'll have millions of more voters when they cram amnesty down our throats which I suspect is coming up next. They have nothing to lose now, so they can go full retard and wreck as much shit as possible.

Posted by: Blazer at December 23, 2009 04:57 PM (+FzLa)

14 I saw those smarmy lying assholes Reid, Dodd, Schumer, Baucus, Mikulski, just hold their "pat ourselves in the back" announcement. Fuck em all with the barbed cock of Satan

Posted by: Frank G at December 23, 2009 05:00 PM (I+To0)

15
"This entire year has consisted of backroom deals, vote buying, and
financial shell games as a means to hide the true costs and impact of
ObamaCare. The American electorate doesn’t need a conference committee
televised on C-SPAN to take the correct lessons from the cesspool of
corruption in the Reid-Pelosi Congress, and they’ll remember it at the
midterms."

That's right, bitches.

Posted by: ethos at December 23, 2009 05:01 PM (0fzsA)

16 I saw those smarmy lying assholes Reid, Dodd, Schumer, Baucus, Mikulski, just hold their "pat ourselves in the back" announcement. Fuck em all with the barbed cock of Satan
Posted by: Frank G at December 23, 2009 05:00 PM (I+To0)

I didn't see it. My stomach isn't that strong, but Yeah what he said

Posted by: nevergiveup at December 23, 2009 05:02 PM (0GFWk)

17 Frank G, the smug look on Schumer's face, and Reid's mealy little voice made me physically ill. I want them OUT of the federal government ASAP.

Posted by: GregInSeattle at December 23, 2009 05:02 PM (B5cM9)

18
PS, We won't forget. And we won't give you "credit" for your posturing
for a month or two as giving a rat's ass what your
non-San-Fransisco-big-money-donors think.
We are going to end your careers.

That is what I want to hear!!!!

Posted by: it'smedude at December 23, 2009 05:02 PM (1YVGN)

19 Traitors all of them

Posted by: paranoid polly at December 23, 2009 05:05 PM (r7Vc3)

20 Again with the despair? Stop with the crepe-hanging and start thinking positively. This debacle will be a lesson taught to an entire generation. Those of us from the Jimmy Carter generation learned the lesson about just how much unfettered liberals suck. The result was that an entire generation grew up without knowing what it's like to have these fools able to legislate their wishes. The lesson will be learned again.

Amnesty has as much chance now as I do with beating Husain Bolt in the 100m dash. People are angry and paying attention. Not the best time to poke them with a stick.

Posted by: pep at December 23, 2009 05:05 PM (DZyVK)

21 Traitors all of them
Posted by: paranoid polly at December 23, 2009 05:05 PM (r7Vc3)

each and everyone and may they rot this holiday season

Posted by: nevergiveup at December 23, 2009 05:06 PM (0GFWk)

22 I will not be nationalized.

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Posted by: Dr. Spank at December 23, 2009 05:08 PM (muUqs)

24 They have already thrown the snowball in our faces, they now are sitting there laughing at us saying "Cry for me, come on baby cry!". They just don't realize little Ralphie the American voteris about to kick the shit outa them.

Posted by: Mr. Pink at December 23, 2009 05:08 PM (SqAkN)

25 I wish I could feel comfort in this but I bet Ace circa 1930's was saying the same thing about FDR. And yet people still blame Hoover.

It feels like a lost cause at times.

Posted by: joeindc44 at December 23, 2009 05:08 PM (QxSug)

26 This has been the most corrupt congress made up of the largest number of truly lying assholes that I have seen in my sorry life.

I would say that I wished they would all die in a fire but that would be too easy for them.

Posted by: Vic at December 23, 2009 05:09 PM (QrA9E)

27 I'm shocked, shocked to see whoring going on in this establishment.

Posted by: Jarrod at December 23, 2009 05:09 PM (ZgOms)

28 Nebraska wh@re political prostitute Ben Nelson tries to have it both ways.
Via Red State:

The Senate of the United States just voted to table Jim DeMint’s
proposed amendment that would prevent cash for cloture compromises.

As you will recall, Ben Nelson was bribed by Harry Reid to vote for
the health care bill via targeted earmarks that will only benefit
Nebraska.

DeMint asked for the Senate to suspend its rules to consider his amendment, which would prohibit such deals in the future.

Ben Nelson voted against Jim DeMint’s amendment, but when he
realized the Democrats already had the votes to kill it, he raced back
up to the clerk and changed his vote so the final record shows Nelson
sided with DeMint.

Posted by: Son of Liberty at December 23, 2009 05:12 PM (gtZwa)

29 largest number of truly lying assholes

Just out of curiosity, what is the appropriate name for a large group of lying assholes? It certainly isn't a pride.

Posted by: pep at December 23, 2009 05:13 PM (DZyVK)

30 >>The vote was tight as a tick last time, and a couple of votes have been lost, but the bulk of the Blue Dogs will sell out their supposed "principles" gladly...<<
Tick tight?

That vote was as tight as the rusted lug nuts on a 57 Ford. This will show you how tight it was- it was spandex tight.

But now, it's beginning to get exciting as the Democrats' fingernails are starting to sweat. Folks, let me point out something to you, because for a lot of people in Washington, they could not be more surprised if Fidel Castro came loping through on the back of a hippopotamus.

Tamp 'em up solid.

Posted by: Dan Rather at December 23, 2009 05:14 PM (H6Jyg)

31 Just out of curiosity, what is the appropriate name for a large group of lying assholes?
Democrats.

Posted by: paranoid polly at December 23, 2009 05:15 PM (r7Vc3)

32
Amnesty has as much chance now as I do with beating
Husain Bolt in the 100m dash. People are angry and paying attention.
Not the best time to poke them with a stick.

Posted by: pep at December 23, 2009 05:05 PM (DZyVK)



It hasn't stopped them on healthcare a bit and people are just as angry. You best believe amnesty is coming next, because its the only shot they have staying in power. What do they have to lose now? Nothing.

No matter what they do from here on out they are gone so I'll suspect they will go full on Cloward -Piven and see how much they can wreck the system before they are voted out or driven out.


Posted by: Blazer at December 23, 2009 05:15 PM (+FzLa)

33 @32
I agree that the leadership may try. They are, after all, from safe districts. But there are plenty of lower phyla that don't want to go back whence they came, where they will have to interact with the sweaty, smelly masses. They are in denial now because they're in too deep to change, and they know it. But I have no doubt that they are also telling their leaders "don't do this to us again. If you do, I won't support you."

Posted by: pep at December 23, 2009 05:20 PM (DZyVK)

34 Not bad for a bunch of amateurs.

Posted by: Ashley Dupre at December 23, 2009 05:20 PM (wAQA5)

35 Looking back do you think the flight that crashed on 9-11 in Pa was meant for the Capitol? How many of these senators were there then?
Corrupt. Evil. Anti-constitutional. Power hungry. Full fledged Party-power hungry communists.

Posted by: dagny at December 23, 2009 05:21 PM (y2yCf)

36 "Even if aliens set foot on earth next year with the secret to long life and happiness..."

I knew I was right - Pelosi and Reid are Kanamits, and America is on the menu...

Posted by: Keith Arnold at December 23, 2009 05:23 PM (Jdtsu)

37 They are NOT honoring the letter or intent of the constitution. For God's sake, they should have read Jefferson and Madison. Maybe they have but don't care.

Revolution time. The constitution MUST be followed, or we have nothing here.

Posted by: GregInSeattle at December 23, 2009 05:23 PM (B5cM9)

38 Spread the Obamacare joy to your Democrat Senator this Christmas season!

Smile! You're On Candid Camera!: Holiday Edition

Posted by: naturalfake at December 23, 2009 05:24 PM (+kzvp)

39 Nelson will probably vote against the bill tomorrow. He is living in a bygone era, where he thinks that he can point to that one "no" vote and claim to be on the side of the taxpayer.

Unfortunately for him, everyone has caught on to this trick. People are paying attention. A friend of mine called Harkin's office in Des Moines and told the kid that he was watching. The kid didn't believe it. Apparently they think that we all go to bed at 8PM and ignore what's on C_SPAN and never go to web sites on the internet.

This is a whole different world for these crooks. They are about to find out how wrong they were to assume no one was paying attention.

Posted by: Miss Marple at December 23, 2009 05:24 PM (4DwVn)

40 >>Just out of curiosity, what is the appropriate name for a large group of lying assholes?

A pucker.

Posted by: JackStraw at December 23, 2009 05:24 PM (VW9/y)

41 "Principles?"

I can assure you, this batch of Leftists - even the "Blue Dogs" - never heard of 'em. Kabuki? That they have heard of.

Posted by: Charlie Gibson at December 23, 2009 05:27 PM (50S+L)

42 What's funny is that this bill is supposed to be this big-deal multi-decade crowning achievement and Zero and the PelosiDems act like they stole something...probably because they did steal something.

Posted by: Robert_Paulson at December 23, 2009 05:28 PM (+deq6)

43 Time to rest up for the real fight ... 2010.

Posted by: bill-tb at December 23, 2009 05:29 PM (y+QfZ)

44 Harry Reid was the director of the Nevada Gaming Commission. He is a senator at all because he had dirt on all the casinos. I imagine that most of the casinos are still hooked up with the mob. That's where he learned his tactics. We may need toelect a Gambino to fix this mess or at least give us a fighting chance.

Posted by: dagny at December 23, 2009 05:30 PM (y2yCf)

45 We are going to end your careers.
Unprecedented! Also not happening.
what is the appropriate name for a large group of lying assholes?
A schumer.

Posted by: oblig. at December 23, 2009 05:33 PM (WQBP0)

46
True or False?

Holiday Inn > White Christmas

Posted by: Posted by at December 23, 2009 05:33 PM (xkQFU)

47 All we can do is call the Congressmen and try to persuade them to make the right decisions: conservative Congressmen, a plead to reason and sanity; progressive Congressmen, a please to REAL REFORM FOR THE PEOPLE! THE PEOPLE!!!!!!!

Posted by: ParisParamus at December 23, 2009 05:34 PM (Hv1Cx)

48
damn, wrong thread

Posted by: Posted by at December 23, 2009 05:34 PM (xkQFU)

49
I think before its all over with we'll be seeing a billionaire Chinese George Soros pop up, there is only so much of this shit they can take too.


O.k., I can't believe I just said that.

Posted by: Blazer at December 23, 2009 05:34 PM (+FzLa)

50 46 The movie or the song?

Posted by: dagny at December 23, 2009 05:34 PM (y2yCf)

51 End their careers, and then what?

Do the Republicans have a fucking strategy for winning the peace this time, or are we going to topple Saddam and then sit back for the Sack of Baghdad?

Is there a message campaign, anything, to address the damage of this bill?

Or is the Tea Party going to have to march on Washington again and again and again and again and force Repubs and Dems alike to repeal or dismantle this POS?

Posted by: arhooley at December 23, 2009 05:38 PM (GKXA7)

52 I wonder if their uncaring attitude about the voters reflects a decision to implement OPERATION NO ELECTIONS EVER AGAIN in 2010 rather than later.

Videotape everything ACORN does...

Posted by: Vet Missing Parts at December 23, 2009 05:39 PM (w6Lfj)

53
the movies!

Posted by: Posted by at December 23, 2009 05:41 PM (xkQFU)

54 Do the Republicans have a fucking strategy for winning the peace this time

Yep bend over and smile politely - wouldn't want to offend anyone.
(spit)

Posted by: paranoid polly at December 23, 2009 05:41 PM (r7Vc3)

55 Okay okay okay. What about the Congressional pro-lifers? Honestly, I thought better of pro-lifers in general than for them to give up on innocent life so their stupid, handsome president can score a political victory.

Can the pro-lifers here elucidate? I am genuinely flummoxed.

Posted by: arhooley at December 23, 2009 05:44 PM (GKXA7)

56 Blazer: "No matter what they do from here on out they are
gone so I'll suspect they will go full on Cloward -Piven and see how
much they can wreck the system before they are voted out or driven out."


Furthermore, they have taxpayer money as a slush fund. It will be used. Anyone who goes full-on retard on the Chicago/Cloward-Piven operation and who doesn't survive re-election will get a sinecure for services rendered. Money, NGO contract, appointment in pseudo-governance, think-tank contribution - whatever - they have avenues of payola and the loss of office is nothing, ultimately. They'll retain federal perks plus thieved tax monies. But it'll all be legal because a) we as a nation don't have the balls to prosecute or discourage incumbents from this abuse, and b) the beltway swamp of both sides wants to retain this scheme and work (essentially conspires) against public interest to ensure no change is possible.

D.C. needs to nuked from orbit, just to be sure. I hope the Tea Party movement can get some good whacks in because this nation is in trouble. It will get worse before it gets better... if it can get better.

Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at December 23, 2009 05:44 PM (50S+L)

57 People are angrier than 1994. Ther is going to be bloody red hell to pay.

Posted by: Max Power at December 23, 2009 05:46 PM (q177U)

58 what is the appropriate name for a large group of lying assholes?
Congress

Posted by: The Q at December 23, 2009 05:51 PM (pfStM)

59 I hope they understand that if they make the people angry and frustrated enough... feeling powerless, watching their country be destroyed and all that... somebody will start shooting.

Posted by: Vet Missing Parts at December 23, 2009 05:52 PM (w6Lfj)

60 Folks need to spread the word. If like most people, you're not a door-to-door spread the truth type, then at least make sure friends andfamily know what's going on - HC, Cap Trade, the whole nine yards.
My ex and I don't talk often. She's a small business owner. I asked her today WTF she was planning to do when this HC CF went thru. She knew nothing about it. Too busy working to pay attention to the news.
You'd be surprised how many people are clueless. I've got many other examples. They don't pay attention to "news" or more predominantly, they rely upon the MSM.
There's a lotta potential recruits out there.

Posted by: MDr VB1.0 CS1ST at December 23, 2009 05:58 PM (ucq49)

61 So they are just going to pass a bill that few people have seen, including Congress, that effects 1/6th of the economy.

hmm...don't think the founding fathers had this in mind.

Posted by: Guy Fawkes at December 23, 2009 06:00 PM (DIYmd)

62 I hope they understand that if they make the people angry and
frustrated enough... feeling powerless, watching their country be
destroyed and all that... somebody will start shooting.

They may well be counting on it. We've heard Pelosi and Reid bemoan the lack of civility while they pull the treads out of the fabric of this great Republic.

Posted by: GregInSeattle at December 23, 2009 06:00 PM (B5cM9)

63
what is the appropriate name for a large group of lying assholes?

A cesspool

Posted by: LousisanaLightning at December 23, 2009 06:10 PM (Nsz+x)

64 I had to turn off Fox. They kept showing the lying dickweasels celebrating and speechifying. The sorry MF's are actually proad of their crooked ways.

I hope they are celebrating at the end of next year when they are all out on their sorry asses.

Posted by: Vic at December 23, 2009 06:18 PM (QrA9E)

65 I know a few people who consider this bill their civil disobediance trip wire, and will not comply with anything further that emenates from D.C. should this pass.
Jack your allowances on your W-4 to 9. Avoid paying taxes of any sort as much as possible, so as not to feed the maw of this machine.
One other thing I will say is that is is NOT time to start voting from the rooftops. Get angry, have your RCOB moment, but hang onto that anger, and express yourself at every opportinity to all your acquaintences between now and Nov 2010. Use this anger to get yourself motivated to get everyone you can to the polls next election, and FIRE THEM ALL.
When the BATF pulls another WACO, only then is it time to respond in kind. Do NOT give the forces arrayed against us a Ft. Sumter, for they WILL use it against us.

Posted by: Mark at December 23, 2009 06:42 PM (4A8Az)

66 Re#33 pep

"But I have no doubt that they are also telling their leaders 'don't do this to us again. If you do, I won't support you.'"

And their leaders response will be: "You have no choice."

I don't think that most of the Democrats know how bad this bill really is. But once people start going through it and find how utterly screwed we are, the House and a third of the Senate will be totally up for grabs. There is no way the Democrats will even remotely stay in power without AmnestyII and redistricting the entire country via the 2010 census. Of course, Acorn will get all the funding they need.

There is no exit strategy for the dems.
They truly have no choice.

Posted by: RayJ at December 23, 2009 06:47 PM (//Bcg)

67 "Not negotiating behind closed doors, but bringing all parties together and broadcasting those negotiations on C-SPAN," Obama explained in a Democratic debate in Los Angeles in January 2008, in language similar to many of his campaign stops.

Posted by: Warden at December 23, 2009 07:01 PM (QoR4a)

68 Now I know what that chicken feels like.

Posted by: Transparency at December 23, 2009 07:29 PM (60O6b)

69 It's not that I don't understand. I just don't care.

Posted by: Homer J. Obama at December 23, 2009 07:45 PM (4iIhs)

70 We are going to end your careers.

AMEN

Posted by: Captain Crunch at December 23, 2009 09:13 PM (qypmI)

71 You'd be surprised how many people are clueless. I've got many other examples. They don't pay attention to "news" or more predominantly, they rely upon the MSM.
Isn't that the truth! I have been telling people for WEEKS now about the jaw-dropping parts of what the MSM is so innocently calling "health care reform". You know, the jail time for those who don't buy health insurance (House version), the enormous new taxes fees that will be charged, as much as 20% of your income if you are a family of four making $102,000 per year, the $500B cut from Medicare, the defacto death panels that won't allow mammograms for women younger than 50, etc.
The usual reaction from people upon hearing these details, blank looks. And then they drag out the MSM and say that since nobody's talking about it on TV or in the papers, I must be reading those right-wing blogs again and have my facts wrong.

Posted by: Boots at December 24, 2009 02:38 AM (06JTY)

72 #6 - Winner. Unfortunately, a good summation of the situation.
To add on to all advocating a change in leadership in DC - we need a change in leadership at the local level. Get involved in your local political parties. There are a few online groups advocating grass roots involvement in the GOP that have some background on how the local parties work, if you look around.
Third parties are a proven failure. We need to get the Tea Party crowd to show up for the local GOP meetings and get the party back to conservative principles.
Then, we can develop some state and national GOP leadership with a heart and a brain and courage.

Posted by: Penultimatum at December 24, 2009 10:37 AM (98agg)

73 So much for governing from the Center, Moderates VOTED YES with the tyrants.

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74 All yourlives are belong to us - The US Government.
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