1 Okay are we going to pretend this is a millblog again so Ace can say the reason he isn't posting all day is to join this Day of Silence instead of taking advantage of a free room for a second day?

Seriously though, good post Drew.

2 Extremely well said, Drew.

As someone who also does not have military experience (and this is something I regret on occasion), milbloggers provide a great deal of insight, just as you described.

This is an incredibly important function with proportionally fewer members of our population having military experience.

3 The thing that really pisses me off is pinging guys for their spouses actions.

Look, in the military, you can expect to be held accountable for your actions. And often held to a higher standard. Fair enough. Comes with the paycheck.

But for 30 years, the DoD has trumpeted how important they think spouses are, but they love to ding guys for things the spouse does. Walk the walk, don't just talk the talk.

4 Would they prefer to leave it all to CNN, NYT & Newsweek? Today's journalists aren't modeling themselves after Ernie Pyle, but Dan Rather.

5 I'm in total support of the  MSgt but he had to be aware that he was crossing the Rubicon when he criticized the CIC as unfit.  Active duty personnel know that is something you don't do publicly without exposing yourself to consequences. 

6

The ArmyTimes has a rundown here: http://tiny.cc/cOF74

Name and Shame (Col. Robert Pastorelli and Command Sgt. Maj. Rickey Cooper) just make sure you spell the names right.

Write your congressman and see what you can do about these politicized careerist chickensh!ts. They have essentially trashed Grisham's military career, time to return the favor and get rid of these bastards.

 

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I'm suspicious of PTSD in the absence of genuine brain damage.  It's more like ADHD or something -- way over-diagnosed.  There's a reason those "field grade officers and senior NCOs" don't embrace something.

If heavy/binge drinking is a symptom of PTSD, I had PTSD before I went in the Navy.  That first year of college must have done it.

8 I'm suspicious of PTSD in the absence of genuine brain damage.

Randall,

I don't think PTSD means what you think it means.

Start here.

9 Polynikes, it's a bit of a grey area. Military personnel cannot be contemptuous to the President. But that doesn't mean they can't criticize him.

Did he leave himself open to harrassment from that? Yeah. But that's not what got the ball rolling. It was the kerfuffle with the school board that got him in trouble.

And notice, when the School Board first called his Chain of Command, the company commander basically told them to fuck off. It wasn't until they contacted the higher ups that things went sideways.

10

XBradTC , I agree with you and unfortunately I thinnk he crossed that line even though I believe he was totally and absolutely correct in his opinion.  Whether this was a precursor and catalyst for the current issues, I would say it didn't help.

 

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I'm suspicious of PTSD in the absence of genuine brain damage.  It's more like ADHD or something -- way over-diagnosed.  There's a reason those "field grade officers and senior NCOs" don't embrace something.

Posted by: Randall Hoven at December 16, 2009 11:27 AM (yxBFl)

Randall, you're describing TBI more than PTSD. TBI is Traumatic Brain Injury which happens when a bomb or something goes off close to you. PTSD is a psychological disorder which happens when you see something traumatic. In his case, he was in the shit and saw at least one of his close friends die right in front of him. I'm sure he saw more than just that. My guess is that his PTSD is legitimate, he wasn't a fobbit.

With regard to the Army hassling him and ruining his career, they should have never gotten involved. This was strictly a matter between he and his wife, and the civilian school board. The Army should have told the school board it was none of their business. Army or not, he still has the same rights as any other American citizen in this regard.

12 So apparently what DoD wants is for all of these guys to go anonymous and really unleash hell, right. (BTW, McKittrick over a Closing Velocity didn't get the memo and has some got some good stuff up on the Iranian missile test and our real (not Smart Diplomacy) response.)

13 As far as that school board is concerned, when a multiple combat tour, infantry NCO is asking public questions about policy and video taping responses it is not threatening. When he goes completely silent and you don't know where he is -- that is threatening.

14 A few things (and I have no toolbar due to some technical glitch, so forgive the lack of spaces): As mentioned earlier, pinging on the member for the actions of the spouse is unacceptable. Period. It's an effective violation of the civil rights of the spouse, and should result in loss of commission for any officer doing it. As far as the MSgt, if I were a Senator I would be putting a hold on every Army promotion board until some things were explained to my satisfaction. And I'm not easily satisfied. But, I'm not a Senator, so the MSgt will continue to be crushed, most likely. This for me this confirms that the military will sell out the member *every* time if civilians get involved. I thus can't recommend you join up if you already aren't in (and I've done my time). As far as the School Board, this needs to become a civil rights law, just like the right of reservists to get their jobs back. Complaints against members need to go to an independent agency in DOD, not the member's chain of command. The agency first verifies there is proof before forwarding to the chain for disposition as the chain sees fit. The standard of proof should be high. Civilians should not be able to use the chain of command as their muscle for whatever petty concerns they have. Military service should not be an avenue for exploitation by civilians with axes to grind, so a new safeguard needs to be put in, because good Lord knows it's not the chain.

15 I hereby order all in my command to treat this issue with the same level of scrutiny that I do. 

16 @13, a very minor nit to pick, CJ isn't infantry, he's Military Intelligence. Making his actions that earned him the Bronze Star with V all the more remarkable.

17 Does this mean AOS, as a smart military blog, is going to go black for the day too?

18 XBradTC, so on top of all of that he is a sneaky bastard, too. Do you think he has biographical intel files on the whole school board and knows the exact amount of time it takes them to drive to work in the morning.

19 The story is simple. CJ and his wife stood up for their rights as parents in the Huntsville school system. As retaliation, school administrators reported him to his command and made every effort to damage his professional standing.

CJ has overwhelming evidence that the school board and the school administration have lied about their actions. He has video of his activities disproving all the claims made to his command.

American soldiers, especially those with records like CJ, do not deserve to be treated like this. American citizens do not deserve to be treated like this.

20 You know, I didn't realize this was Huntsville--I read the story a while back, and sometimes only skim through. So I'll make this easy--I actually visited Huntsville during the summer. Really liked the place. Thought about locating a business there, for a variety of reasons. That option just came off the table, because I won't have my people mistreated by bureaucratic thugs. If I want a skilled workforce and a nice town, I can go to Atlanta. If I want the small town feel, I can go to Knoxville. I don't need to go to a place where the schoolboard thinks they have the rights of the feudal manor.

21 Chuck @19, you're right on target.

Interestingly, when his chain of command had him remove posts from his blog (which they can, by regulation, require) it was the video of the school board meeting that they had him take down.

22 I will personally go up there and kick every one of those anti semite asses.

CJ's criticism of the fools in his chain was 100% accurate, 100% legitimate and 100% heroic.  They are a problem, not only for him but for his brothers in the military.  When you're criticized for a spouse raging our of control that's wrong... and when the spouse isn't raging out of control and is actually being lied about, and you can prove it, it's downright ridiculous.  Also, anti-semitic.

I am really tired from kicking all the asses of everyone in my ninja dojo who disagrees with me about this, or I would go down there and set things straight with my badass attitude and surly sense of honor.  Andrew Sullivan's head is full of semen.

23 As a retired E9, I can say that the military is not a democracy or a representative republic. It is a benevolent dictatorship AT BEST. All it takes is one or more idiots above you to take offense and you're done. Involving the press is a double edged sword. You can win your battle and lose the war. Sad to say, he will likely never be promoted again.
The comment about O-5s and O-6s is true - they will literally do ANYTHING to make flag.

24 "The story is simple. CJ and his wife stood up for their rights as parents in the Huntsville school system. As retaliation, school administrators reported him to his command and made every effort to damage his professional standing.

CJ has overwhelming evidence that the school board and the school administration have lied about their actions. He has video of his activities disproving all the claims made to his command.

American soldiers, especially those with records like CJ, do not deserve to be treated like this. American citizens do not deserve to be treated like this.
Posted by: Chuck Simmins"

This is the most succint description I've seen.  It's totally accurate.  But I also noticed during the videos that some people in that board meeting were openly contemptuous of our military... acting like he was going to up and kill them because he spoke frankly about PTSD (not that he brought it up at the board meeting, they snooped).  Treating a polite man like he's a super scary threat because he's a soldier is abominable.

These people hate our troops.  Their names should be famous.  I'm busy training for covert ops in 2050 AD Detroit, safety not guaranteed, of I would go down there and by the force of my force alone, be badass about this.

25 You know, I just did a quick little background work, because this thing has piqued my interest. Assuming that it is the City of Huntsville School Board we are talking about, then here's my take on their motivation for their actions: Going by the bios on the Board's website, none of the members has any active duty military experience, though one was a civilian worker for the Army. Thus, their actions, to me at least, are now clear--they had someone before them who was a vet, a decorated vet, one who could write, was politically active, who had a following, and who was becoming vocal on the local scene. In other words, in my opinion, take it for what you will, they saw a future political challenger and they took the steps they thought necessary to remove that challenger before he grew in power. In other words, they put out a "hit", and the Army delivered for them. And for some reason, challenges to an opponent's emotional stability were very popular among Democratic-leaning constituencies last summer (and since CJ apparently attacked the local Democratic party, that connection seems valid for me, especially looking at the likely local power base of at least two of the members). So, what I think we got here is the Army helping the local establishments retain political power, and if this is true, there needs to be an investigation and perhaps court martials of the principals involved. As far as the local board members, they need to be recalled, as well as DOJ investigations into denial of civil rights to members of the military.

26 So, one possible quick summary of CJ story: It's not about a citizen being attacked and silenced by any means possible (though it is)--it is about politicians removing potential challengers with the aid and support of the military chain of command. And if this is unfair to the chain, all I can say is that they chose to become involved in local politics, instead of remaining clear. Thus, if they are tarred, it is by choice. 

27 I've done some further speculation--and that is exactly what it is, though logical speculation--about the video. Now, truth in advertising, I have not seen it. I have read the emails that were in the original report a few weeks/months back. And my take is this--once confronted with someone who had a military background and who also could communicate, and recognizing the political threat therein contained (whether by instinct or calculation), they made a deliberate attempt to have him overreact, so that he would discredit himself and so remove the political threat. All the time ignoring this was a citizen merely trying to exercise his birthright. Because there is a certain kind of politico who is like that. And that's my take on the thing--they tried to get him angry so he could just be explained away as a hothead, the effort failed, and then they had to get the video suppressed because it was damaging in the way it showed them treating a decorated veteran. It was all local politics, and the chain of command basically decided to help the local power structure retain that power. The chain needs to be reprimanded. This is my take, at any rate.

28 One final note--I wonder how many other vets across America are running into the same thing--finding themselves in new places where their resumes outshine those of the local power structure, and the local power choosing to "kill it before it grows"? Quite a bit, I would suspect, and especially in areas or fields more traditionally liberal. I could be wrong, of course. Not so sure I am.

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