Lieberman, Nelson Both Say They'll Vote Against Reid's "Medicare Option" Version of ObamaCare

And Claire McCaskill says she'll vote against anything that fails to bring down the deficit.

Lieberman continues talking like a man who's mind is made up.

Sens. Joe Lieberman (I-Conn.) and Ben Nelson (D-Neb.) both said a Medicare "buy-in" option for those aged 55-64 was a deal breaker.

"I'm concerned that it's the forerunner of single payer, the ultimate single-payer plan, maybe even more directly than the public option," Nelson said on CBS's "Face the Nation."

Lieberman said Democrats should stop looking for a public option "compromise" and simply scrap the idea altogether.

"You've got to take out the Medicare buy-in. You've got to forget about the public option," he said.

If Democrats stick to relying primarily on the bill's subsidies, the legislation would pass easily and with bipartisan support, Lieberman argued.

Depends on the scale of the subsidies. This is a tremendously expensive thing, which is the primary reason it hasn't been done. (Other reasons: socialism doesn't work and socialized health care tends to be bad health care.)

I don't know what size subsidies he has in mind. I suppose if the Democrats went for that sort of thing, they might have their 60 votes -- maybe. They'd still be blowing up the deficit, without the cover of these fake "projected savings" to hide that fact.

Hopefully the liberals will resist all compromise and wind up with no bill at all. Edit: Although that seems doubtful; at some point, after proving to the netroots they tried and tried, they are going to want to sign the proverbial any-old-thing with the words "Health Care Reform" on the cover.

Via Hot Air's headlines.

Posted by: Ace at 03:15 PM


1 I have always thought that there was no way that the health care thing would fly. It is gratifying to proven right, so far.


Posted by: LateNightWithDavid at December 13, 2009 03:17 PM (V/I0F)

2 Oh, and FIRST!!

Posted by: LateNightWithDavid at December 13, 2009 03:17 PM (V/I0F)

3 Don't worry, they'll all cave. That's what Dems do. Lieberman is slightly more likely to take action against the bill because of his (I) status, but I think we've seen that "conservative Democrat" just means they have a higher price for their vote.

Posted by: fiatboomer at December 13, 2009 03:18 PM (0Wf6c)

4 "...And Claire McCaskill says she'll vote against anything that fails to bring down the deficit."

The deal with Dems - they lie.

The howler "this won't ad one dime to the deficit" is a lie. The only once of truth found in that huge lie is that in order to keep it from adding to the deficit, the tax payers have to come up with funds. All billion trillion billion of it.

Posted by: ethos at December 13, 2009 03:20 PM (0fzsA)

5 Talky, talk, talk. Vote and then we'll see if you can actually walk the walk.

Posted by: laceyunderalls at December 13, 2009 03:21 PM (Q5DTS)

I have e-mailed both Nelson and Lieberman. Keep the pressure on, folks. They see the polls, they need to here from us, the great unwashed. Just be super nice about your objections.

Don't bother with Reid - he's a lost cause. Plus, come 2010, he'll be out of his job.

Posted by: ethos at December 13, 2009 03:23 PM (0fzsA)

7 Not one of them has the courage to demand this odious anti American pile of dung be flushed. Not a one.

Posted by: vagabond trader at December 13, 2009 03:23 PM (AFaBG)

8 (re-post from down under)

I have to wonder what Reid has up his sleeve. He's probably going to
get some small portion of the bill rated as acceptable, get his 60
votes, and then insert some major legislative language into the bill
that NO one knows about. The bill will end up an unread mix of all
the disastrous regulations, kick-backs, penalties, tax increases, and
hidden costs that would have defeated the bill. -- Then it goes back to
conference. The desperation is so obvious, the House is already saying
- "yeah -um- we don't even need to see it, just take it on up to the president for signature."

Even leftists have to wonder where the honesty and transparency went?

Seriously - This is desperation time for Reid. He's gonna pull something astounding out of his ass.

Posted by: ethos at December 13, 2009 03:24 PM (0fzsA)

Both Reid and Nelson also say that the medicare compromise along with adding to the deficit will also backdoor a singlepayer govt. option once the camel gets its head in the tent.

Posted by: Blazer at December 13, 2009 03:24 PM (+FzLa)

10 ounce

Posted by: ethos at December 13, 2009 03:24 PM (0fzsA)

11 I'm not sure that there need be any old bill at all with "Health Care" plastered on it.

Remember what happened to Social Security reform in 2005. Sank without a trace.

Posted by: Mastiff at December 13, 2009 03:25 PM (8dy/N)

McCaskill is so full of shit. She'll vote for anything Obama tells her to vote for. But you have to give these Democrats credit for reprising their deficit-hawk acting roles.

Posted by: the professor at December 13, 2009 03:26 PM (PaMcq)

Expect Landrieau to come out next week and pretend she's worried about deficit-spending, too.

Posted by: the professor at December 13, 2009 03:28 PM (XaQVn)

"Although that seems doubtful; at some point, after proving to the
netroots they tried and tried, they are going to want to sign the
proverbial any-old-thing with the words "Health Care Reform" on the

That is absolutely true. They need the soundbite.
Ironically, I think most folks understand clearly their soundbite is BS.

Posted by: ethos at December 13, 2009 03:28 PM (0fzsA)

15 "hear" from us.. dang it all.

Posted by: ethos at December 13, 2009 03:29 PM (0fzsA)

16 "conservative Democrat" just means they have a higher price for their vote.

Posted by: fiatboomer at December 13, 2009 03:18 PM (0Wf6c)

Posted by: Peaches at December 13, 2009 03:29 PM (9Wv2j)

The Democrats will come out of negotiations and say, "Phew, that was hard work but we struck a deal that makes everyone happy. And we cut $XB from the bill. Boy, those blue dogs drive a hard bargain!"

Posted by: the professor at December 13, 2009 03:30 PM (PaMcq)

18 Maybe the Republicans should sidle up to Reid and offer to take the fall for this. "Just fail the damn thing and blame it on us; we won't cry foul."

Posted by: arhooley at December 13, 2009 03:47 PM (VuFy0)

19 Well, sure. The Dems do lie. So do the Repubs. But Lieberman has been pretty courageous, and this helps continue to give the public more comfort with opposing it.

I applaud him and Sen. Nelson for what they've done so far. They've got to be getting the stink eye all day long from their colleagues.

Posted by: Darcy at December 13, 2009 03:49 PM (cnJcX)

20 Oh, and I love your "other reasons", Ace. *snort*

Posted by: Darcy at December 13, 2009 03:52 PM (cnJcX)

21 LOL!!!

Posted by: johnc_recent_EX-democrat at December 13, 2009 03:56 PM (ACkhT)

22 My adulation for Nelson only extends so far. After all, he just voted "yea" in the cloture vote yesterday for the atrocious 450 billion appropriations bill, so....

Posted by: laceyunderalls at December 13, 2009 03:58 PM (ndnB6)

Well, sure. The Dems do lie. So do the Repubs.

Michael Steele, is that you?

Posted by: the professor at December 13, 2009 03:59 PM (PaMcq)

24 Oh, come on, professor. They're mostly all weasels. We have to the work with the weasels we have, though. And there are a few good guys in there. I can't think of any at the moment, but I know they theory.

Posted by: Darcy at December 13, 2009 04:02 PM (cnJcX)

Lieberman can blow me. And Nelson is a piece of shit. I don't care if these turds are on the right side of the issue. They both suck and at the end of the day they only care about getting reelected, especially Nelson.

So excuse me for not saying thank you to Loserman and Nelson for not being douchebags today.

Posted by: the professor at December 13, 2009 04:03 PM (PaMcq)

26 I'll definitely say thank you if it kills this bill. It's a big deal to me. *shrugs*

Posted by: Darcy at December 13, 2009 04:05 PM (cnJcX)

27 I'm tell'n ya, it's all of them latays from Starbucks that are making already loony people even loonier. Think about it. Did healthcare legislation get any traction before it became chic to drink latay? No. And Democrats weren't in control either. Betcha them latays make already loony loonies gay, too. But Congress won't call for an investigation, no sirree, and you know why? They're latay drinkers.

Posted by: Bubba at December 13, 2009 04:11 PM (Cta0m)

28 O/T It's here! It's here! The shinebox is here!

Posted by: RushBabe at December 13, 2009 04:19 PM (LKkE8)

29 Reid just hasn't named the right price. They'll fold like cheap......

Posted by: J at December 13, 2009 04:38 PM (T3/qP)

30 When it comes down to the end they will offer up a "face saving" amendment groin covering fig leaf and all the Dems will vote FOR it except for the exact same number of Republicans who vote FOR it to give them cover. That is what all of that left over TARP and Porkulous money is for. Those things have become a slush fund for bribing the corrupt members of congress. Its the Chicago way.

I have heard that there are 5 Republicans who plan on voting for this POS. Make no mistakeTM this thing will pass. We lost when they got it to the floor.

Everyone who has voted for this thing and who will vote for it in the future belongs in jail.

Posted by: Vic at December 13, 2009 04:41 PM (CDUiN)

31 450 billion appropriations bill

?????? I thought it was 1.1 trillion.

Posted by: Vic at December 13, 2009 04:43 PM (CDUiN)

32 I sure hope you're wrong, Vic. I desperately want to believe that you're wrong.

Posted by: Darcy at December 13, 2009 04:48 PM (cnJcX)

33 I can't get the damn headline to copy or link but Fox has it over at their site:

1.1 Trillion Spending Bill Approved

Posted by: Vic at December 13, 2009 04:55 PM (CDUiN)

34 Since I switched to Fire Fox I can not get shit to copy or link without getting that GD aggravating BS error message about unbroken text.

Posted by: Vic at December 13, 2009 04:56 PM (CDUiN)

35 Well, I'm going to DC once again on Tuesday for the Code Red (last gasp) hell care rally. Any other morons going?

Posted by: RushBabe at December 13, 2009 05:31 PM (LKkE8)

36 Says the man who just voted in a massively retarded spending bill.

I don't believe anything out of their mouths until their words are proven by their vote.

Posted by: tdpwells at December 13, 2009 05:32 PM (Ei3oZ)

37 Yeah Vic is right. I was referring to the junk 450 billion for cabinet expenditures. The total is 1.1 trillion once you add in Medicare/Medicaid.

Posted by: laceyunderalls at December 13, 2009 05:53 PM (1HyUZ)

38 Lieberman who just voted for the 1.1 trillion budget bill today and on Saturday walked 3 miles on the sabbath to the Senate to give it his seal of approval for the first vote. Also includes this cast:
The Senate voted Sunday 57-35 on the legislation. Democrats Evan Bayh of Indiana, Russ Feingold of Wisconsin and Claire McCaskill of Missouri voted against the bill.Republican Sens. Thad Cochran of Missouri, Susan Collins and Olympia Snowe of Maine and Richard Shelby of Alabama voted for it.

Posted by: Mr Wizard at December 13, 2009 07:57 PM (j0Kf/)

39 So out of about 60 Democrat's there's only a couple who have any principles?

Gives one a real sense of security in how many Obamacrats have any sort of principles, at least until the leadership comes up with a price to buy the holdouts off...

But then what can you expect when the GOP is locked out of any role in the process --

without representation....
Bend over and prepare
for domination...

Posted by: drfredc at December 13, 2009 10:38 PM (puRnk)

40 Lieberman, Nelson Both Say They'll Vote Against Reid's "Medicare Option" Version of ObamaCare
It's one thing to say, another to do. I'll save my gratitude for when they actually cast their no vote.

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