The state of ClimateGate today, Dec 10 2009. [krakatoa]

(A series of daily-ish roundups of the day's Climate news and commentary.)

This is by no means a comprehensive recap. The stories come from a variety of sources, and I highly recommend exploring the linked sites for more breaking news.

Today's episode brought to you by Deutsche Bank, who has submitted the following statement from honcho Kevin Parker for the most over-the-top AGW statement sweeps.

“People often ask about the costs. But the figures people tend to cite don’t take into account conservation and efficiency measures that are easily available. And they don’t look at the cost of inaction, which is the extinction of the human race. Period.”

To which I say, wash your unterwäsche, fraulein, and rest easy: It appears the science is about as unsettled as your bladder.

(after the break...)


WUWT stories:

A guest post by the founder of Weather Channel, John Coleman. John describes the battle for climate truth as one between David & Goliath.

A debate on CNN between ClimateGate lead Apologist, RealClimate's Gavin Schmidt, and University of Alabama, Huntsville climatologist Jonh Christy.

Gavin tries to square this circle on the actual observed climate data:

"The issue is not whether these things [droughts, hurricanes, etc..] have never happened before, but whether we are causing them. We can still attribute our role in climate change even though, you know, back in the cretaceous period it was much warmer than it is now."

Really, Gavin? Can you really do that? I'm no sciencytist like yourself, but don't you sort have to explain why the "much warmer" Cretaceous period was due to natural phenomena, as opposed to the much less warm present?

Gavin probably wins the debate in perception terms, simply due to the fact that he was allowed to speak much longer, particularly when discussing the leaked emails.

Wolf did about as well as we could hope for a CNN Q&A, but he did his part for his team by allowing Gavin to speak at length, and by opening and closing on the shrinking Arctic icecap, and flatly ignoring the response that the Antarctic ice sheet is growing.


At Climate Audit, Hugh McCulloch deconstructs one of Al Gore's many Invonvenient Errors.


The NYT (apologies for the link) announces that the Skeptics have invaded Copenhagen.

See if you can discover the subtle way the Times lets you know if they can be trusted.

“They’ve got us outnumbered,” said Ian Plimer, an Australian geologist, who has interests in several mining operations. “But we’ve got them outgunned.”

And apparently the Times has trouble believing the following, judging from the verbs they use:

One presentation contended that volcanoes emitted far more carbon dioxide than human activities like the burning of fossil fuels. Another presentation disputed data suggesting that sea levels were rising. Still another asserted that solar activity caused climate shifts.

Of the three, the only one that's at all questionable is the sea-level rise. It is a very tricky thing to measure, and indeed, appears to be falling in some areas while rising in others.

The poster child for rising sea levels, the Maldives, is not cooperating. Indeed, the cheeky island nation seems to have a declining sea level.

Furthermore, Dr Nils-Axel Mörner in 2007 picked apart some of IPCC's raw data on sea-rise.

So, for example, those people in the IPCC [Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change], choose Hong Kong, which has six tide gauges, and they choose the record of one, which gives 2.3 mm per year rise of sea level. Every geologist knows that that is a subsiding area. It's the compaction of sediment; it is the only record which you shouldn't use.

Mörner has a big ego, but he backs it up with some sweet science, such as using Earth's rotational velocity as a measure of sea level change.

Here's another way of checking it, because if the radius of the Earth increases, because sea level is rising, then immediately the Earth's rate of rotation would slow down... So you can look at the rotation and the same comes up: Yes, it might be 1.1 mm per year, but absolutely not more. It could be less, because there could be other factors affecting the Earth, but it certainly could not be more. Absolutely not! Again, it's a matter of physics.


From Climate Depot:

One of the newest claims from the AGW Choir is that the Oceans have become saturated with CO2, and have lost the ability to sequester any more.

Well, a new study has examined that claim, and determined that the oceanic CO2 absorption has remained constant since 1850. Ed Begley jr will be pleased to find that this study is even peer-reviewed.

And another physicist calls for ClimateGate consequences.

...Thus, two of the three pillars of the global warming and carbon dioxide paradigm are open to reinvestigation... The public trust in climate science has been eroded... We cannot blame it on a few irresponsible individuals. The entire esteemed climate research community has to take responsibility...

So what comes next? Let us stop making unjustified claims and exaggerated projections about the future even if the editors of some eminent journals are just waiting to publish them. Let us admit that our understanding of the climate is less perfect than we have tried to make the public believe. Let us drastically modify or temporarily discontinue the IPCC. Let us get back to work.

When asked for a comment, the CRU AGW pimps exclaimed:

"Work? WORK!? Who dat, sayin' I don't work. Lawd knows I do. Lawd knows, pimpin' ain't easy!"

Disclaimer: I might have homogenized that quote.


CNN continues allowing a vigorous debate, and huge props to them for doing so.

Here, Campbell Brown has Bill Nye the Science Guy on to debate Pat Michaels of the Cato Institute. I think Michaels definitely comes away from this having made several excellent points that Nye couldn't quite counter. What I found most entertaining was that about halfway through, they started ignoring Brown and managed to have a very polite and mostly intelligent conversation without her.



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Comments

1 Crickets?

Posted by: Jane D'oh! at December 10, 2009 09:22 PM (UOM48)

2 Anyone see Megyn Kelly's boobs on O'Reilly tonight?

Posted by: Jane D'oh! at December 10, 2009 09:22 PM (UOM48)

3

Here, Campbell Brown has Bill Nye the Science Guy on to debate Pat Michaels of the Cato Institute.

No CNN linky is existee.

Posted by: Tinian at December 10, 2009 09:23 PM (7+pP9)

4 Purple, why bother covering this drivel? The science is settled, for crying out loud! You should be devoting your thread to more important topics like the unveiling of a statue ofObama as a 10 year old holding a butterfly in his hand in Indonesia. He's soooo dreamy! He was such an adorable child! I just wish they had placed him in a manger. It would be more appropro for the season.

Posted by: 52%er at December 10, 2009 09:24 PM (vEclT)

5

Anyone see Megyn Kelly's boobs on O'Reilly tonight?


Posted by: Jane D'oh! at December 10, 2009 09:22 PM (UOM4
One of the few joys of funemployment was viewing Megyn every morning. I really miss her.

Posted by: Tinian at December 10, 2009 09:25 PM (7+pP9)

6 Clicky on the CNN video thingy. Or do you not see it?

Posted by: krakatoa at December 10, 2009 09:26 PM (vtiE6)

7 Ooops, sorry Krakatoa not Purple!

Posted by: 52%er at December 10, 2009 09:27 PM (vEclT)

8

Clicky on the CNN video thingy. Or do you not see it?


Posted by: krakatoa at December 10, 2009 09:26 PM (vtiE6)
I enabled scripts on Firefox so I can see it now.

Posted by: Tinian at December 10, 2009 09:28 PM (7+pP9)

9 HopeandchangeglobalwarmingclimategateundeservedNobelprize....The Age of Obama. The Nutless Wonder.

Posted by: Jane D'oh! at December 10, 2009 09:29 PM (UOM48)

10 No worries. I'm still properly chastised. I'll try to find some suitably Obama-adoring things to post in the future.

Posted by: krakatoa at December 10, 2009 09:30 PM (vtiE6)

11 Good Heavens! I've got NBC news on (too lazy to change the channel after watching the local news), and they're doing a story on Christmas music. They just playeda clip of Barely Manenough, and boy, has he had some work done! Holy crap! He can hardly move his face! I find him much more scary than global warming! (And I'm just talking about his face, that doesn't even take into account his singing!)

Posted by: 52%er at December 10, 2009 09:30 PM (vEclT)

12 Darn, darn sock!

Posted by: runningrn at December 10, 2009 09:31 PM (vEclT)

13 Boy, Tiger's text messages are teh awesome. Unless you're his wife and kids. He really knew how to pick 'em. STD's anyone?

Posted by: Jane D'oh! at December 10, 2009 09:33 PM (UOM48)

14 OT-
Awesome round up by VDH of all of Owe-bama's stupid stuff done as Prez

I'm gonna send this to my Lib buds and watch their head's explode.

Posted by: GregInSeattle at December 10, 2009 09:34 PM (B5cM9)

15
“People often ask about the costs. But the figures people tend to cite don’t take into account conservation and efficiency measures that are easily available. And they don’t look at the cost of inaction, which is the extinction of the human race. Period.”
Nope, no hysterical, over-the-top fearmongering there.

Posted by: huerfano at December 10, 2009 09:35 PM (BEYNH)

16 Climate Gate and the whole Hopenhagen crap is wearing me out. Can't believe Prez Prissypants flew all the way back to DC from Oslo, only to turn around and fly all the way back to Copenhagen next week. Ouch. That'll leave a carbon footprint.

I feel for the pilots of AF One. Oh, the stories they could tell.

Posted by: Jane D'oh! at December 10, 2009 09:36 PM (UOM48)

17 4 words, folks: Giant Space Umbrellas!

Posted by: Joe "I'm smarter than you" Biden at December 10, 2009 09:36 PM (B5cM9)

18 Posted by: 52%er at December 10, 2009 09:30 PM (vEclT)


You think that's pathetic? I'm still sitting at work because I don't want to walk through the sub-zero wind chill to get in a cold car.

I don't mind the business trips to Chicago in the warm months, but this crap is reminiscent of my days in Montana.

I remember my first spring there, walking the 4 blocks to work and cursing the weather through my multiple layers of clothes thick boots, gloves hat.

I passed a local jaunting the other way wearing sneakers, a light jacket no hat. "You look warm" he said to me.

I'm pretty sure that's Montanan for "What an incredible pussy."

Man I hate the cold. Hence my interest in thwarting the AGW fetishists. I don't care if it gets warmer, but I sure as hell don't want it to get colder.

Posted by: krakatoa at December 10, 2009 09:38 PM (vtiE6)

19 A while back, WUWT also scoffed at the underwater attention whore stunt by the legislator from the Maldives. It was epic.

Posted by: logprof at December 10, 2009 09:39 PM (I3Udb)

20 Wolf did about as well as we could hope for a CNN QA, but he did his part for his team by allowing Gavin to speak at length, and by opening and closing on the shrinking Arctic icecap, and flatly ignoring the response that the Antarctic ice sheet is growing.

The arctic ice sheet isgrowing also. It hit a minimum in the summer of 2007.

Posted by: Grim at December 10, 2009 09:39 PM (Uf5/n)

21

I enabled scripts on Firefox so I can see it now.

Ooops! - I can only see a box that says CNN Video. Can't see any controls. Can't get it to play.

Don't worry Krak, I'm used to not being able to get videos to play. Some places won't let you view them unless you have the ultra-latest flash player and your security settings set really low. And some places simply will not work with Firefox.

F' CNN anyways. If it's from CNN and I can't see it I'm not missing anything important I figure.

Posted by: Tinian at December 10, 2009 09:41 PM (7+pP9)

22
Nope, no hysterical, over-the-top fearmongering there.

Posted by: huerfano at December 10, 2009 09:35 PM (BEYNH)
--This is the kind of bullshit I bring up when some liberweenie talks about Bush or Cheney "instilling a climate of fear" with "bogues color alerts." Even if some of the Orange codes were overreaction, at least they werew based on stuff that was documented, you know, as actually happeneing.

Posted by: logprof at December 10, 2009 09:41 PM (I3Udb)

23 I think the answer to AWG is more CO2 sequestration in carbonated drinks.

Posted by: profligatewaste at December 10, 2009 09:42 PM (b3rrc)

24 I use to like Bill Nye, back when he was a comedian. He use to be funny on Seattle's local comedy show, "Almost Live." Sigh! He's a smart guy, but he's a mechanical engineer who use to work at Boeing. Pat Michaels is an even smarter guy with the educational chops to know what the frick he's talking about. It was pretty funny watching Campbell Brown lose control of the segment, and have to be like the child tugging on the sleeves of the adults to remind them that she was there and that they were guests on her show.

Posted by: runningrn at December 10, 2009 09:44 PM (vEclT)

25 #14 GregInSeattle

That is an awesome roundup. I just sent it to Mr. D'oh, hoping he'll forward it to all his libtard sibs. Every.single.one of them still drinks The Won's koolaide. And they all sincerely believe a unicorn will be arriving any day via UPS.

Posted by: Jane D'oh! at December 10, 2009 09:46 PM (UOM48)

26 I'm no scientist, but seems to me these scientist aren't either.

Posted by: Noah Bawdy at December 10, 2009 09:46 PM (dCjum)

27 I don't know if this is old or not, but it seems like this guy might have some inside information.
Top hurricaine expert calls Climategate "the tip of the iceberg"
"The recent 'ClimateGate' revelations coming out of the UK University of East Anglia are but the tip of a giant iceberg of a well organized international climate warming conspiracy that has been gathering momentum for the last 25 years," said Colorado State University's William Gray.
The full article is here: www.wnd.com/?pageId=118432

Posted by: Lawoski at December 10, 2009 09:46 PM (klC0K)

28 I'm no climatologist, but I did sleep in a Holiday Inn last night.

Posted by: Jane D'oh! at December 10, 2009 09:47 PM (UOM48)

29 I think the answer to AWG is more CO2 sequestration in carbonated drinks.
I think the answer to AWG lies in sequestration of the farts of all living things. We could all walk, swim and fly around with collection bags attached to our rearends. Dogs, fish, birds, horses, cows, and humans would be required under law to comply.

Posted by: runningrn at December 10, 2009 09:47 PM (vEclT)

30 Drudge has a link up to a story from Britain about changing there diet to help stop global warming. Basically no more bacon(meat and dairy) cut down on processed food and eliminate waist is the ticket to a cooler globe. The comments are surprisingly snarky, there may be hope for the Brits after all.

Posted by: RobD at December 10, 2009 09:47 PM (wGIVf)

31 Campbell Brown is waaay better than that smug twit Norah O'Donnell. She's almost as stupid and annoying as Rachel Madcow. And that's saying something.

Posted by: Jane D'oh! at December 10, 2009 09:49 PM (UOM48)

32 I haz found direct corelation on warming and Ace's head melting.

Posted by: mghorning at December 10, 2009 09:51 PM (j+4I7)

33 So, our ancestors 12,000 years ago survived the end of the last great Ice Age and the attendant massive changes in geography and climate using stone knives and bear skins, but we're going to become extinct as a species if the climate warms by 4C and despite all our available technology, there's nothing we can do to adapt?

Posted by: Tiger Woods at December 10, 2009 09:52 PM (Ate22)

34 This site does an excellent job covering this issue.

Posted by: Dr. Spank at December 10, 2009 09:55 PM (muUqs)

35 One of the newest claims from the AGW Choir is that the Oceans have become saturated with CO2, and have lost the ability to sequester any more.
Plus it has all these things in it that are, you know, alive, and that form exoskeletons out of dissolved CO2. Have been doing for some time. Which is where they got all the marble that decorates the buildings where the thermomaniacs gather.

Posted by: Tiger Woods at December 10, 2009 09:59 PM (Ate22)

36 5 Anyone see Megyn Kelly's boobs on O'Reilly tonight?
Posted by: Jane D'oh! at December 10, 2009 09:22 PM (UOM4


Did she get a visit from the Boob Fairy?

Posted by: CoolCzech at December 10, 2009 10:01 PM (QECjC)

37 I'm getting on the "Climate Change" committee of the AAPG, the American Association of Petroleum Geologists- the largest collection of depositional (re: petroleum) geologists in the world, and I fully intend to tear them a new asshole.
Subsidence and relative sea levels are our specialties. We successfully find billions of barrels of oil per year using our deposition models.
This entire sea level rise issue is a crock of shit. At present, Climate "Science" is bullshit from end to end.

Posted by: TexasJew at December 10, 2009 10:12 PM (hgrfT)

38 When will the Dem congress begin rejecting Obama en masse ?

Posted by: Aces Freshly Martinized Straight Jacket at December 10, 2009 10:15 PM (EL+OC)

39 36 5 Anyone see Megyn Kelly's boobs on O'Reilly tonight? Posted by: Jane D'oh! at December 10, 2009 09:22 PM (UOM4 Did she get a visit from the Boob Fairy?
Posted by: CoolCzech at December 10, 2009 10:01 PM (QECjC)
She got a visit from the "just had baby" fairy. IYKWIM.

Posted by: Louis Pasteur at December 10, 2009 10:23 PM (Vu6sl)

40 I'm no climatologist, but I did sleep in a Holiday Inn last night.
I'm not really a president, but I play one on TV.

Posted by: Barry Obama at December 10, 2009 10:26 PM (yckbe)

41 Al Gore's birthday is March 11. Remember to burn a tire.

Posted by: Wm T Sherman at December 10, 2009 10:53 PM (tm15w)

42 Burn a Tire? I'm gonna burn a volkswagon engine block. Fireworks!

Posted by: lowest strata at December 10, 2009 11:11 PM (Z4PZD)

43 Excellent round up. Thanks for keeping us up to speed.

Posted by: MCPO Airdale at December 10, 2009 11:41 PM (UGAk/)

44 I'm gonna burn a volkswagon engine block. Fireworks!

You'll need a pretty old one...like a 36hp or earlier. The later stuff was aluminum, not magnesium.

Posted by: Purple Avenger at December 10, 2009 11:49 PM (Ko/uF)

45 42. Burn a Tire? I'm gonna burn a volkswagon engine block. Fireworks!
Posted by: lowest strata at December 10, 2009 11:11 PM (Z4PZD)
But there isn't any carbon in an engine block.
By the way, I think I call reading that the exhaustpipe heat exchanger for the Volkswagon climate control heater was made out of magnesium, and the engine block was aluminum.
One time in Pittsbugh ca. 1998 I happened upon a Volkswagon bus, the back end enveloped in flames. Looked to be a gasoline-fed fire. A depressed-looking old hippy stared helplessly as the fireadvanced throughhis vehicle. I noticed drops of burning liquid magnesium falling onto the ground near the tailpipe.

Posted by: Wm T Sherman at December 10, 2009 11:52 PM (tm15w)

46 Don't miss Steven McIntyre providing the missing context for "hide the decline"
http://tinyurl.com/yfq23c7

Posted by: Molon Labe at December 11, 2009 01:11 AM (kYpqT)

47 May the great homogenizing commence! Morons and Moronettes, homogenize at will!

Posted by: sporadic small arms fire at December 11, 2009 07:55 AM (dP6Ky)

48 BURBERRY Scarf | CD Keys

Posted by: jason at December 11, 2009 10:04 AM (NsJ2b)

49 where can i purchase an iphone

Posted by: where can i purchase an iphone at December 14, 2009 09:16 AM (S4a/k)






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