1 They've been in the shitter ever since they faked the moon landing.

2 Ace is on fire today. Where's the 1) Flaming Skull; and 2) the guy who hollers en fuego?

3 NASA?  Don't they make cookies?

4
Cap-and-trade-acorn One
 (Whoops. How did acorn get in there?)

5 That should have raised all sorts of warning flags about the science in that they had to make two corrections to data of "settled" science.  First put the hottest year of the century back to the 1930s, but that didn't support their monetary interests of "we are all going to die unless you pay all this tax so I can have grants" so they moved it back to the 1990s.  All too convenient.

6 This is just what NASA needs to keep it's credibility up - obstruct FOIA requests!

I think it's time for all the people exposing these hack scientists and their voodoo-science to fire everything!

7 Shocked, shocked, etc.

8

How does the FOIA process occur? What happens if the information is not forthcoming in a timely manner? I'm curious because the FOI requests in GB don't seem to have made much of a difference.

9 NASA:  The Post Office with Rockets.

10 As I stated in the other thread, Hansen may be the leaker of the East Anglican data. The release undermines Copenhagen, which Hansen wants to fail, and, curiously, no Hansen emails were released, as far as I know.

11 Sadly, NASA has a enabler in this Administration. Unless said Administration feels the need to obtain cover. If the brain trust at NASA hears a bus engine, they might wish to reconsider.

12

Isn't James Hansen the guy that went around telling everyone that would listen that Bush silenced him while running his mouth at light speed?  Didn't we have a ton of stories about how Bush was trying to manipulate "global warming" data to show less warming?  Why isn't Hansen going around now with his big mouth and showing us the concrete data that Bush was trying to suppress?  Another one of those things that makes you go "Hmmmmm"

13
"How does the FOIA process occur? What happens if the information is not forthcoming in a timely manner? I'm curious because the FOI requests in GB don't seem to have made much of a difference."

I'm pretty sure the only law actually enforced over there, is the one against self-defense.

14
If you have any questions about NASA, simply ask Sheila Jackson Lee, Congressional armadillo from Texas.

During a tour of the Jet Propulsion Laboratory, Lee, a member of the House Science Committee's space subcommittee, asked if the Mars Pathfinder had taken an image of the flag Neil Armstrong planted there in 1969!

This buffoon continues to be elected, and it's a tie between Sheila Jackson Lee and Maxine Waters as to whom is the dumbest skrunt in Congress?

15

Dr. Spank,

Why does Hansen want Copenhagen to fail?  Isn't he a big supporter of AGW?  He sure ran his mouth a lot during the Bush years that seemed to indicate such.

16 NASA? Isn't that kind of racist?

17 The fact they are trying to defeat the FOIA tells you all there needs to be known.

There is also a DQA that tells all science agencies that putting faked datra in public is a felony. It passed in 2001.

18 GrimJack at December 03, 2009 06:16 PM (iTA1p)

No, it's one of those things that make you go "Are you fuckin' kidding me???"

19 Why does Hansen want Copenhagen to fail?  Isn't he a big supporter of AGW?

Hansen wants a carbon tax.  He doesn't want a carbon market, ie cap and trade.

He better know how to blowup Goldman Sachs and make sure nobody knows about it because if AGW has any legs now there is going to be a carbon trading market.

20 Please review my pe(ck)ers, please.

21 Why does Hansen want Copenhagen to fail? Isn't he a big supporter of AGW?

Posted by: GrimJack at December 03, 2009 06:18 PM (iTA1p)

Hansen wants SERIOUS cuts to production. He wants us back in the stone age as soon as possible - back when we were more at one with Nature.

22 Hansen thinks that Copenhagen will simply use "climate change" as a ruse to shuffle off money to Zimbabwe etc. without actually doing anything about "climate change".  He is right, of course, but even if they did do something about CO2 it wouldn't help since CO2 is only a minor player in the earth's climate.

23

Boy!  It's a good thing we didn't kill all the cows.

I was gonna do that.

24 I'm so sick of these lying sacks o' shit being the rudder that steers billions of dollars of taxpayers' money.

25

RoadRunner at December 03, 2009 06:19 PM (D6P9o)

I was trying to be more scholarly in creating that peer-reviewed blog post, but no argument.

26 Uncle Jimbo is a religious zealout?

27 Why can't you Jesus-freaks understand that this is science! Settled, peer-reviewed science! Who hacked the emails? Vlaam-Blamma-Ding-Dong, or the stalker blog? That is the real crime!

Sharmuta...my medicine packet, please! Kilgore, use less teeth, I'm chaffing.

28 The worst Christmas present evah....

http://tinyurl.com/yhlacod

29
"Hansen wants SERIOUS cuts to production. He wants us back in the stone age as soon as possible - back when we were more at one with Nature."

Don't make me primitive.  You wouldn't like me when I'm primitive.

30 Check out http://www.climateaudit.org/
Notice the website title climateAUDIT. This guy has been on to them for years.
The temperature data and calculating averages and changes is not a simple matter of adding up a bunch of temperatures.

31 28 The worst Christmas present evah....

http://tinyurl.com/yhlacod

Posted by: momma at December 03, 2009 06:27 PM (penCf)

Momma -- I don't think that even Santa, with all his elven magic could get that down the chimney on Christmas!

32 Ah, that makes some sense.  However, why would he if he's not only not going to get what he wants in the first place, his whole AGW belief is going to get cratered?  I don't think carbon tax will be a player if this thing plays out the way it should.

33

Maybe those moon landings were fake.

34

NASA: New Age Spacecadet Agency.

35 4
Cap-and-trade-acorn One
 (Whoops. How did acorn get in there?)

Posted by: right at December 03, 2009 06:11 PM (EquV1)

The ACORN has landed!

36 Oh, and lest we forget, NOAA also has been compromised and forced to come clean earlier this year.

37

Refusing a FOIA request is like taking the Fifth - you got something to hide.

 

38 lying sacks o' shit being the rudder that steers billions of dollars of taxpayers' money.

How many children have died because money meant for kids went to fund this fraud. AL GORE IS A CHILD MURDERER!

39 @26
Juliette,
I saw what you did there!

40 I remember in the olden times (20 years ago), when science was carried out by scientists and the truth could be verified. Or, maybe it was just a dream.

41

I think it's so unfair that Chuckles is so demeaned.  Like the Goracle, while neither is the sharpest light bulb in the drawer, if not for the luck of the draw, whose sperm impregnated whose egg, Mad Charles could have laid claim as inventor of the internet.

Fear not, he is a Super Hero!

http://tiny.cc/ooMHR

 

42 However, why would he if he's not only not going to get what he wants in the first place, his whole AGW belief is going to get cratered?  I don't think carbon tax will be a player if this thing plays out the way it should.

Bill Ford Jr. says that Ford Motor has had internal discussions about supporting cap and trade on the grounds of price stability in petroleum.  This would alarm Hansen since his whole goal is to tax carbon into obscurity to "save the planet".

43 How many children have died because money meant for kids went to fund this fraud. AL GORE IS A CHILD MURDERER!

Posted by: liontooth at December 03, 2009 06:34 PM (7Gws3)

--Bush, for all his myriad faults, saved and helped more lives with his anti-AIDS programs in Africa than President Me has (and, I hope, more than President Me will kill)

44 If they don't follow the scientific method is it science?

Fruit of the Poison Tree, Tarts From the Poison Fruit

45 Chris Horner, a senior fellow at the Competitive Enterprise Institute, said NASA has refused for two years to provide information under the Freedom of Information Act that would show how the agency has shaped its climate data and would explain why the agency has repeatedly had to correct its data going as far back as the 1930s.

I have sources who tell me that Chris Horner watches Glen Beck, voted for Sarah Palin, and downloads bikini pics of Pamela Geller.

Therefore, this man is a fraud. But if you don't want to be defrauded, check out these deals from Amazon and hit my tip jar.

46 Man oh man, Ace is en fuego today! 

47 We're expecting 1-2 inches of global warming tomorrow.  In Houston, TX.  Earliest snow ever for this area, and we only see snow maybe every 4-5 years.  This makes 2 years in a row.

48 You said it.

49

@9 NASA:  The Post Office with Rockets.

Actually, the Post Office had them first.
Electric cars, too!

50 Said what?

51 en fuego

52 Ah, the sweet smell of fucked chickens coming home to roost.

53 NASA, the government agency that brought us moon rocks, Tang, Velcro, and climate change.

54

47, looks like a dusting will happen in the Birmingham, AL area tomorrow too.

First time before January in quite awhile.

55 Damn, I really have been hanging out here too much. I used to be a nice girl...

56 55, don't blame AoS. Blame the 52%. I was much less cranky before they fucked this nation over.

57

How does the FOIA process occur?

You ask for it, and they don't give it to you. That's how the "Freedom of Information Act" works - they're free not to give it to you, so they don't.

58 Fear not, he is a Super Hero!

http://tiny.cc/ooMHR



Posted by: MDr at December 03, 2009 06:37 PM (ucq49)

Oh, hell yes. I have been praying to the right God. Thank you, Jesus.

59
"fucked chickens coming home to roost."

Still tastes like chicken, only with more shame.

60 I used to be a nice girl...

Posted by: Mama AJ at December 03, 2009 06:50 PM (Be4xl)

I wish I had a dollar for everytime I've heard, "I've never done anything like this before." Uh huh, sure.

61 47 We're expecting 1-2 inches of global warming tomorrow.  In Houston, TX.  Earliest snow ever for this area, and we only see snow maybe every 4-5 years.  This makes 2 years in a row.

Going back to 2004, that will make 3 times in 6 years.

62 Simple.

en fuego = am feuer

63

From the Washington Times today:

Pajamas Media founder Roger L. Simon and independent filmmaker Lionel Chetwynd -- both members of the Academy of Motion Picture Arts and Sciences and Oscar nominees -- have called on the academy to rescind Mr. Gore's Oscars in light of the Climategate revelations.

"In the history of the academy, not to my knowledge has an Oscar ever been rescinded. I think they should rescind this one," Mr. Simon said Thursday.

and on more snippet:

The ClimateDepot,com, an online news aggregator that tracks global-warming news reports, referred to the situation as "Nopenhagen," and evidence that popular momentum for the Copenhagen conference "is fading."

64

"... and downloads bikini pics of Pamela Geller."

I demand proof sir!  Not that Horner downloaded the pics, just show me the pics!

65

Fear not, he is a Super Hero!

http://tiny.cc/ooMHR

Cool! AoSHQ is mentioned prominently as the Chief Villian

I love Bite Me Comics

66 Something else I've been wondering about:  East Anglia University doesn't strike me as one of your top-ranked schools.  It's kind of got the "State University AT East Bumfuck" sound to it.  Probably scrambling for students and budgets, what with the post-Baby Boomer drop.  So they start up a "Climate Research Unit" because it's trendy.  As luck would have it, they're first onto the bandwagon, so the CRU becomes a major playa in the new climate hysteria industry.  Rah, rah, East Anglia U.! 

Of course, it would be highly, uh, inconvenient for E.A.U. if climate change turns out to be nonexistent.  So I'm sure the University encouraged its doughty climate researchers in their quest to find bigger global warming and thereby get bigger grants.

The rot goes deep.

67 You know, Babs insistence that we call it "stolen emailgate" or whatever nonsense is wrong for this reason.  All of the information on the research  is public domain because it's funded by money stolen from taxpayers.

So, Phil Jones, Michael Mann, et al, have no expectation of privacy in their communications.  So the fact that the emails may have been "stolen" may not protect them from prosecution when it's further revealed they have been doing sex to us. 

So yesterday I agreed that PJ and MM may not face criminal charges because of "fruit of the poisonous tree" stuff, but that doesn't seem to apply.

Any attorneys care to comment? 

68 The posts came to a grinding halt. But, nice work today by Ace and others.

69

 don't blame AoS. Blame the 52%. I was much less cranky before they fucked this nation over.

Good point.

Pass the beer,

70

please.

...Damn 52 %ers! Get off my keyboard...

71 NASA has always been at the AGW alter. I think I remember even one of the crew on a recent shuttle mission making some not-so-thinly-veiled allusions to us destroying the planet.

72 i'm still trying to figure out how my mom's can of hairspray caused global cooling in the 70s and 80s, whatever happened to that huge ass hole in the ozone did nasa plug it causing global warming?

73

"Earliest snow ever for this area..."

Sure it ain't Obama ecstasy?  Heard TX cops have already intercepted one load.

 

 

74

NASA went in the shitter a long time ago. There is neither morale nor accountability over there and it doesn't surprise me that this type of crap would fester.

Their dreams of a trip to Mars and that dumbass idea of going back to the moon have been shot so what else are they to do? Launching rockets is their bread and butter and if Global Warming/Climate Change is a serious threat, who else is going to launch all those multi-million dollar weather satellites?

75
Isn't the scientific method that Catholic birth control thing?

76 They'll need to take a close look at their keyboards....the delete keys are gonna be crushed...

77 who else is going to launch all those multi-million dollar weather satellites? Posted by: Alex's Cabin

Yo!

78 As just an average Joe, I've always been reluctant to jump on the AGW bandwagon. Firstly, 'cause I don't jump on bandwagons. Secondly, when the bandwagon smells of cow effluent, my body tends to flea. Or is that flee? Whatevah, I'm willing to except temperature data from two places; high in the atmosphere, and deep in the ocean. Not from some cretins 'mometer in the middle of some asphalt parking lot. Last time I checked, deep water temps were at 33 degres F. So my tidy whities (crap - is it ok to use that word in post-racial Amerikkka?) are free from racing stripes and an overwhelming urge to demand legislative action. Let's burn some cheap coal and put 25 million Americans back to work.

79 FYI -

Any moron can request information under FOIA - cost you an envelope and a stamp. NASA's Office of Council will be kept busy denying each request, case-by-case, no "suits" needed.

80

"You know, Babs insistence that we call it "stolen emailgate" or whatever "

I fully support the name ClimateGate, BUT, if Imhofe refers to it as either ClimaQuiddick or BabsBaggedGate, I'll double down on all my political contributions.

81 75
Isn't the scientific method that Catholic birth control thing?

Posted by: Joe Biden at December 03, 2009 07:01 PM (Oxen1)

No, thats the rhythm method.  Its also more reliable than what the climate scientists have been using.

82 75
Isn't the scientific method that Catholic birth control thing?

I believe you're thinking of the popular "just the tip" birth control method with it's 5% success rate.

83 whatever happened to that huge ass hole in the ozone did nasa plug it causing global warming?

The Ozone Hole jumped the shark back in 2006 at its peak and its been shrinking the past few years...its passed into the realm of "that which shall not be mentioned"

84

85
That's impossible, Catholics ain't got no rhythm.

86 The Goreacle's pecker must be pretty shriveled up by now after having to cancel his personal appearance in Copenhagen.  He has to refund 3,000 ticket holders.  I question the timing...

87

I wish I had a dollar for everytime I've heard, "I've never done anything like this before." Uh huh, sure.

Posted by: Rodent Liberation Front at December 03, 2009 06:52 PM (dQdrY)

She kept saying, "I've never really done this kind of thing before,
Have you?
(Third-Rate Romance, Low-Rent Rendezvous)
And he said, "Yes, I have,
But only a time or two"
(Third-Rate Romance, Low-Rent Rendezvous)

88 The Ozone Hole jumped the shark back in 2006 at its peak and its been shrinking the past few years

That may be, but may we remind you that polar bears continue to drown on melting ice floes.

We bid you adieu.

89 Look for a "sudden" and "catastrophic" FIRE to occur shortly at the site where NASA stores it's data.

You don't suppose they actually store valuable data at TWO different sites, do you?

90 what's for dinner tonight on the titanic

91 90 what's for dinner tonight on the titanic

Posted by: newrouter at December 03, 2009 07:18 PM (bEZJ+)

Crow!

92 Damn it, since 2007?

Why didn't Bush order NASA to release the data?

93 maybe algore will give them some freshly minted carbon credits

94 He has to refund 3,000 ticket holders.  I question the timing...

No really, my sock drawer was totally out of control and I had to spend some time getting it back into order.  When you have a demanding schedule like I do, something has to give.

95 Yo!

96
There are a bunch of really cute girls who work at Hooters for just the tip.

97 If you haven't seen the Great Global Warming Swindle, you can stream it here.

I'm learning new stuff.

98 93 maybe algore will give them some freshly minted carbon credits

Posted by: newrouter at December 03, 2009 07:20 PM (bEZJ+)

Gore was also going to promote the release of his new book "Our Choice"

99 Hansen had to set fire and then urinate all over his data in order to make room for his stairmaster and gumball machine.

100 If NASA will not release their data, it is not science.

NASA cannot conduct science based upon secret data that they never reveal. How are other scientists supposed to test and verify NASA's conclusions?

101 86...it's awesome...if he goes, he has to answer questions...if he doesn't...he has to answer questions.

B to the O????  Now boarding for Hopenchangen...gate 666.

102

AGW
Sat on a wall,
AGW
Had a great fall.

All of Gore's arses,
And all the Gore's girly men
Couldn't put AGW
Together again.

103 You deniers will all soon be proven wrong when the peer reviews review each other's reviews and then the polar bears are forced to eat Al Gore for lack of food!  You Bastards!

104 This Hide the Data is no fun.
I think I prefer Hide the Salami.

105 (Third-Rate Romance, Low-Rent Rendezvous)

Posted by: stuiec at December 03, 2009 07:17 PM (7AOgy)

I'd forgotten that song. I wondered if a female would reply. They probably don't like their secret ways being exposed.

106 If we could somehow prevent Rosie O'Donnell, Oprah Winfrey. and Roseanne Barr from breathing, we'd probably go into an immediate Ice Age.

107 Anyone wanna buy some carbon credits??...cheap??

108
You don't really believe NASA bombed the moon in an effort to find water did you?Its real purpose was to put all their raw data on AGW  into long term storage

109 #107

Sure, I'll trade you for some prime Olympic real estate in Chicago!

110 Now that the Ozone hole is closing up there is the fear that it will trap the AGW heat and melt the ice in Antarctica --gee there's just no pleasing some people.

111
Re:86 The Goreacle's pecker has been pawned.

112 @106 those bitches can put a hurtin on me by themselves thank god they don't all hang together.

113

Posted by: HeatherRadish at December 03, 2009 07:21 PM (OkT2m)

That's a great documentary! It's like the anti-venom of An Inconvenient Truth.

114

Cahrles Jhonson and Begley, Jr. are in deep denial. Otherwise, all the pain  caused by being laughed at by the babes they tried to pick up while riding their Schwinns on Santa Monica beach would surface.

115

Not entirely OT:  I just read Monbiot's ridiculous "Blame the Canadians" article and some of the comments that followed.

One fellow left a perfect gem; priceless insight into what truly motivates the Left.  And it ain't love of their fellow humans, or animals , or Gaia.  Here's lefty talking about the Canuck oil workers:

They expect high wages and solid benefits from union jobs that require nothing more than a strong back. I've met some of those hard hats from the tar sands - thick as planks and they make a hundred-grand a year. One guy - 22 years old and a Grade 10 drop-out - made a quarter million running a backhoe. I was a decade in university and I don?t make half that. Those Epsilons are laughing at me!

A great confirmation of what we already knew - the Lefties are motivated by spite, envy and snobbery.  You can just visualize the pencil-necked dweeb trembling with rage as he remembers the hard hats laughing at his decade of Womyn's Studies courses. 

 

116 You don't really believe NASA bombed the moon in an effort to find water did you?Its real purpose was to put all their raw data on AGW  into long term storage
Posted by: bulwark

CUE OMINOUS CLOSING THEME.

[Close up on flashing red light. Long pull back reveals crashed satellite, then the lunar surface, then the whole of the moon.]

117 Hansen should now be treated like the crazy uncle @ family parties. Just another warmer rat jumping off the ship.

Sarahcuda just weighed in on this issue/ via facebook:
http://tiny.cc/RRdrS

118 Has Hansen ever met a doomsday scenario he didn't fellate?

119 I'm pretty sure that James Hansen works with muppets.

120

Palin:

I’ve never denied the reality of climate change; in fact, I was the first governor to create a subcabinet position to deal specifically with the issue. I saw the impact of changing weather patterns firsthand while serving as governor of our only Arctic state.

Once a politician, always a politician.

121 Sarah Palin on Facebook:

The president’s decision to attend the international climate conference in Copenhagen needs to be reconsidered in light of the unfolding Climategate scandal. The leaked e-mails involved in Climategate expose the unscientific behavior of leading climate scientists who deliberately destroyed records to block information requests, manipulated data to “hide the decline” in global temperatures, and conspired to silence the critics of man-made global warming. I support Senator James Inhofe’s call for a full investigation into this scandal. Because it involves many of the same personalities and entities behind the Copenhagen conference, Climategate calls into question many of the proposals being pushed there, including anything that would lead to a cap and tax plan.

Policy should be based on sound science, not snake oil. I took a stand against such snake oil science when I sued the federal government over its decision to list the polar bear as an endangered species despite the fact that the polar bear population has increased. I’ve never denied the reality of climate change; in fact, I was the first governor to create a subcabinet position to deal specifically with the issue. I saw the impact of changing weather patterns firsthand while serving as governor of our only Arctic state. But while we recognize the effects of changing water levels, erosion patterns, and glacial ice melt, we cannot primarily blame man’s activities for the earth’s cyclical weather changes. The drastic economic measures being pushed by dogmatic environmentalists won’t change the weather, but will dramatically change our economy for the worse.

Policy decisions require real science and real solutions, not junk science and doomsday scare tactics pushed by an environmental priesthood that capitalizes on the public’s worry and makes them feel that owning an SUV is a “sin” against the planet. In his inaugural address, President Obama declared his intention to “restore science to its rightful place.” Boycotting Copenhagen while this scandal is thoroughly investigated would send a strong message that the United States government will not be a party to fraudulent scientific practices. Saying no to Copenhagen and cap and tax are first steps in “restoring science to its rightful place.”

122 I think "environmental priesthood" will tweak all the right people.

123

I’ve never denied the reality of climate change; in fact, I was the first governor to create a subcabinet position to deal specifically with the issue. I saw the impact of changing weather patterns firsthand while serving as governor of our only Arctic state.

Once a politician, always a politician.

Posted by: Alex's Cabin at December 03, 2009 07:54 PM (sYEvi)

--I'd prefer if she had "never denied the possibility of global warming."  Does anyone who does not live in a cave all year deny that the climate changes?

124
James Hansen? Is this the same guy who's been squeezing his moobs hoping for milk to come out?

125 Has anyleft-tard ever explained the loathing for releasing hard data? I mean, what the fuck should be wrong with doing that if it's really just cold, hard "facts"?

126 +1,000,000 just got a wake up call on AGW from facebook. She is once again making the media eat dirt.

127 125 Has anyleft-tard ever explained the loathing for releasing hard data?

Shut up!  That's why!

128 One of the sadder consequences of the climate fraud is that NASA is just as culpable as any Lefty college or international research group. The agency that should be the global gold standard for advanced science has been reduced to a vehicle for unscrupulous poltical climbers and pseudo-scientist quacks.

129

Palin sounded slimy in that post. She admitted climate change and denounced it at the same time.

130 Don't forget the EPA. And the Supreme Court.

131 The NASA data, which ONLY James Hansen has complete access to, and for which he has complete control over the final adjusted (oops, I mean "value-added") version is the GISS data.
I've posted this link before but it's worth a visit, because it shows you how mutilated and beaten the raw data gets before it ends up as an "official" GISS temperature data point.  It's quite incredible.

http://tinyurl.com/yamntu9

132

--I'd prefer if she had "never denied the possibility of global warming."  Does anyone who does not live in a cave all year deny that the climate changes?

The very nature of climate is change. It's what it does, there is no need to put the two words together. Climate change is code for global warming, we all know that.

133 Miss ClimateGate 2009

134 Rep. Sensenbrenner (R-WI) goes after Obama's science <cough> advisor John Holdren. (12/2/09)

[The IPCC report and the US Global Change Research Program] "at best need to have a thorough review in light of this information that has been disclosed and, at worst, it's junk science and it is a part of a massive international scientific fraud."

135 I can state as fact that NASA is predominantly staffed and managed by the Ass Kissers and Suck Ups who survived the great purge.
Some of the ridiculous bullshit they threw money away on. The bookish and inexperienced engineering that wouldn't work.
If they were any good at all, they would have developed a simple and efficient program that adapted quickly instead of this dinosaur we have presently.
Dimwitted and buffoonish ideas and methods that destroyed hundreds of millions of dollars worth of hardware because people wouldn't ask themselves " What could go wrong?" Hard hardheadedly blazing a path of "I'm right and I'm the boss so don't question or make suggestions or predictions of imminent failure!" 

136 One guy - 22 years old and a Grade 10 drop-out - made a quarter million running a backhoe.

Sounds about right for a relatively dangerous job, in a remote location, where if you fuck up and really get hurt bad, you might very well bleed out before you can get to a trauma surgeon.  If more backhoe operators were willing to do it, the price would decline accordingly.

This writer must be one of those nancyboys who thinks the fucking Keebler Elves make heavy infrastructure projects appear by magic.

137 In Palin's defense, climate change is the definition of "weather," either day by day, decade by decade, or ice age by ice age. It noticably changes for any time slot you want to give it.

138 I invented climate change.

139 122 I think "environmental priesthood" will tweak all the right people.

No doubt. For such a settled-science-peer-reviewd-certifiable idiot, she sure is clever.

140 En Fuego!

141 Palin sounded slimy in that post. She admitted climate change and denounced it at the same time.

Sounded a bit like that to me too.  I think she would argue that she was addressing "climate change", not "Climate Change".  But clearly it was The Thing when she was governor and she didn't feel like politically she could ignore it.  Don't forget how pervasive it is.  At the very least you need to be able to deal with the AGW industry if, for no other reason, to combat it.

A lot of well-intentioned people will be left having looked silly after this is all said and done.  I'd rather welcome prodigal sons than sit alone on the mountain bragging about how right I was.

That being said, yes Palin does sound a little self-serving. 

142
Palin sounded slimy in that post. She admitted climate change and denounced it at the same time.

Please. Yes, the climate is in constant flux(re: little ice age).
No, it is not caused by man. One small volcanic eruption has more effect on climate than the entire history of man on earth.
So while acknowledging that things change, she does not conclude that we need to revert to the stone age to stop it. We are not in control of the climate.

143 Palin sounded slimy in that post. She admitted climate change and denounced it at the same time.

What part of "we cannot primarily blame man’s activities for the earth’s cyclical weather changes" confused you?   Elaborate.

The historical record going back millions of years pretty much demonstrates a LOT of "climate change", none of which is attributable to man.

The only "slimy" thing I see here is you.

144 I'm waiting for these fucktards to blame the coming magnetic pole reversal on something "man" did.  We're overdue for one of those.

145 Palin sounded slimy in that post. She admitted climate change and denounced it at the same time.

Slimy ??  I'll give you slimy. Here:
http://tiny.cc/GWRTA

146 PA, I think that her setting up an office of "climate change" was an attempt to deal with the political pressure of this movement.  I am also quite sure that it was not a hysterical AGW office, but one that dealt with the issues she enumerates.

It doesn't matter.  The media will focus on "environmental priesthood" if they report on this one.  She told the "reality-based community" that they are followers of a religion.  Not just a religion, a cult.  Trust me, as an academic, they ain't gonna like that.

147
It's a small step from believing in Man Caused  Global Warming to concluding we could stop it if we sacrifice enough virgins to the angry Sun.

148

Posted by: Alex's Cabin at December 03, 2009 07:54 PM (sYEvi)
LOL.   what part of interglacier period do you not understand.  20,000 years ago mile think sheets of ice stood where the great lakes are now.  it has been warming for 20,000 years.  it has nothing to do with man. 

 

Palin is the first GOP bigwig to come out on climategate.  where is Mitt?  TPAW?  NEWt?   leaders lead

 

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@121 Posted by: AmishDude at December 03, 2009 07:55 PM (ItSLQ)

God I love Sarah. Reagan couldn't have said it any better.

150
"It's a small step from believing in Man Caused  Global Warming to concluding we could stop it if we sacrifice enough virgins to the angry Sun."

Yep, except it's liberty rather than virgins.

151 We're not going to be sacrificing virgins...we will however be burning piles of money as an offering to the gods.

152

I'd rather welcome prodigal sons than sit alone on the mountain bragging about how right I was.

Yes but she knows better. That was an awfully weak statement on her part.

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PA, pohtaytoh, etc.

154 We're not going to be sacrificing virgins...we will however be burning piles of money as an offering to the gods.

Posted by: Purple Avenger at December 03, 2009 08:22 PM (UZ905)

Better yet give money offerings to the high priests of global warming climate change like Algore.

155

Yes but she knows better. That was an awfully weak statement on her part.

Posted by: Alex's Cabin at December 03, 2009 08:23 PM (sYEvi)

Weak?  What should she have said, oh learned one?  You should research her "death panels" statement.  It wasn't particularly strident or hysterical but it got the point across.

156 Yeah, how is carbon trading different from buy indulgences?

157
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Posted by: Purple Avenger at December 03, 2009 08:14 PM (UZ905)

It was a stupid thing to say! Palin acknowledged climate change, the same damned thing we know doesn't exist.

159 #146 Thanks for that - I get a little snippy when someone doesn't see the bigger picture.

160 I've been burning celebratory piles of tires in my yard since I heard the news.

161

It was a stupid thing to say! Palin acknowledged climate change, the same damned thing we know doesn't exist.

Posted by: Alex's Cabin at December 03, 2009 08:28 PM (sYEvi)

 

the climate changes all the time.  it is nature.  the climate changes from the spring to the summer to the fall to the winter.  Winters get colder and hotter thru the years and decades.  Ice ages come and ice ages go.  that is simple truth.  The entire  AGW debate was concerned if humans were causing the changes or nature.  Palin just said it is nature not man. 

what more do you want?

 

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"156 Yeah, how is carbon trading different from buying indulgences?"

The people receiving the payola for carbon deny they are performing some religious act.  (even though they are as fervent and angry as Torquemada with hemorrhoids)

163

"where is Mitt?  TPAW?  NEWt?"

They are well outside Palins OODA loop. That's where.

164
Alex, think of it this way:
Next summer will be hot- Palin agrees and says lets prepare by buying shorts.
The Gorebots say its all our fault and we can't drive our cars or run our factories because it will just make it hotter. And they want all our money too!

165

The very nature of climate is change. It's what it does, there is no need to put the two words together. Climate change is code for global warming, we all know that.

Inference through semantics is kind of paranoid. Especially when oxymorons are used in everyday conversation. Don't let the left rob us of oxymorons. Otherwise we shouldn't say things like "left-tard."

166

See #132, I agree.

I objected that Palin brought up climate change (global warming) and I questioned why. I like her and I believe she's infinitely more qualified to serve as CiC than Obama but the little shout out to climate change in her Facebook update set off an alarm.

 

167 Liberal's heads are exploding all across this great land tonight as Palin ups the ante on Climategate.

168
"163

"where is Mitt?  TPAW?  NEWt?"

They are well outside Palins OODA loop. That's where."

Frankly, everyone else is in balloons.

169 Gore cancels Copenhagen talk. I wonder why?

http://tinyurl.com/yd9mn2s

170 Is it "everyone else is" or "everyone else are" ?

That's a poser.

171

well outside Palins OODA loop. That's where.

I don't know what an OODA loop is, but I'd totally hit Palin's.

Seriously.  I don't know what an OODA loop is.

172

I learned another lesson:

Thou shalt not question Sarah Palin.

173

Okay fellow morons -- here's another apocalyptic article about AGW from the BBC.

If you look closely there's a "CLIMATE CHANGE GLOSSARY", under which there's an invitation to "suggest additions" to the Glossary.

I already made my contribution by defining Climategate.

The article is stupid propaganda, so if you prefer to skip that bullshit and go straight to razzing the dumb asses at the BBC just go here.

174

The Ozone Hole jumped the shark back in 2006 at its peak and its been shrinking the past few years...its passed into the realm of "that which shall not be mentioned"

I mention it amongst a stream of obsenity any time it costs me a blue freaking fortune to do some AC work on my car.

175

@Truman North:

http://tinyurl.com/ydgvxw3

176 172 I learned another lesson:

Thou shalt not question Sarah Palin.

Posted by: Alex's Cabin at December 03, 2009 09:06 PM (sYEvi)

Then you didn't learn anything.  Here's what you don't do: Don't be an asshole.  Don't bash a decent conservative for being insufficiently perfect.  She is not Jesus Christ.  Yes, it's true.

It's these kinds of reflexive, shallow, picayune, tedious, endless criticisms of everything she does that leads people to defend her so strongly.  If you don't like her, then criticize her when she misbehaves in a substantial way.  If you want to bash her or any reasonable conservative for every little thing they do, then join DU.

And most of all, don't act like a poor little oppressed victim because somebody has a different opinion and is not afraid to criticize your knee-jerk jerkitude.  Other people get to have a say, too.

You aren't Charles Johnson.

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Posted by: AmishDude at December 03, 2009 09:15 PM (ItSLQ)

Who is being reflexive? I was pissed that Palin mentioned Climate Change. You guys go off on me like I sanctioned her assasination.

Chill will you?

I'm on your side. Good God.

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"172

I learned another lesson:

Thou shalt not question Sarah Palin."

Now you're getting it, AC.

  Actually I'm a big Palin fan.  What you have run into is simple human nature.  Right now, for a lot of folks, myself included, she is the personification of our hopes of stemming this tide of leftism that engulfs our nation.  Yes, it's irrational to invest that much in a single individual, (ask BHO supporters how that is working out) but it is human.  People don't like arrows flying at their hope for the future. (no matter how well intentioned those arrows may be)

Plus, she's hawt and makes the libs (and moderates) nutso.

179 Meanwhile, Babs Boxer is being quietly advised by her legislative aides that holding hearings probing criminal violations of US law in the hacking?  /whistleblowing? at a UK university will merely ensure her place in the Fuckwit Hall of Fame.

180 You doubled-down in 166 and then tripled-down by doing the poor, oppressed victim thing in 172 which you did again in 177.  If you're on my side, then will you please stop pulling the pins out of the grenades inside our own tent?

181 #74 Alex's  Who is going to shoot off the rockets?  Why USAF of course. They still routinely and with great reliability place payloads in orbit from Vandenberg..

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effinay, that was awesome.

183 179 Meanwhile, Babs Boxer is being quietly advised by her legislative aides that holding hearings probing criminal violations of US law in the hacking?  /whistleblowing? at a UK university will merely ensure her place in the Fuckwit Hall of Fame.

Posted by: effinayright at December 03, 2009 09:29 PM (iGCez)

I think her legislative aides have a lot of practice quietly advising her.

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 If you're on my side, then will you please stop pulling the pins out of the grenades inside our own tent?

I'd love to. Can we please get rid of the grenades?

189 *poof*

190 147
It's a small step from believing in Man Caused  Global Warming to concluding we could stop it if we sacrifice enough virgins to the angry Sun.
Posted by Flying Monkey.

Hmm . . . I have an idea. Anybody got a panel van with no windows? And a GPS unit with directions to the nearest volcano?
"Paging Helen Thomas. Helen Thomas, please pick up the white courtesy phone."

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Maureen, I'm not sure ANY volcano could handle that level of virgin.

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I mean, no one has ever even thought about it.

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PA: blame the coming magnetic pole reversal on something "man" did. 

It has now been 50 years since all those cars went to 12 volt. Just saying. We're on borrowed time, here.

196 Hmmmm.

Ok so he's been wanting the data since 2007?

WTF!?

Where was Bush in all this?  Where were the Republicans?

What?  Hansen wasn't bat-shit crazy enough to raise red flags?

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