You Can't Dig A Grave Without A Shovel Ready<br>Plus: Still Stuck on Huck!

You Can't Dig A Grave Without A Shovel Ready
Plus: Still Stuck on Huck!

As Maximus said, "Are you not stimulated?"

This news item is easily overlooked, and revealing: "Highway-construction companies around the country, having completed the mostly small projects paid for by the federal economic-stimulus package, are starting to see their business run aground, an ominous sign for the nation's weak employment picture."
The month the stimulus passed, February of this year, 6,593,000 Americans were employed in construction; in the most recent report from the Bureau of Labor Statistics, 5,966,000 Americans were employed in that field. In other words, while all of this stimulus-based construction was going on, the profession lost 627,000 jobs.
Not only did the stimulus fail to create a significant number of jobs in the overall economy, it had little or no impact in the one area that provided that much-hyped slogan: “shovel ready.”

Since I just stole Geraghty's whole post, let me link this takedown of Huck. And quote, um, merely most of it.

Joe Carter, probably the best part of Huckabee's presidential campaign, notes that the candidate really saw this issue differently from almost everyone else in the political world, for better or worse: "The governor seemed genuinely surprised that he was held responsible for the criminal acts committed by those whose sentences he had commuted as governor. It was as if he believed that simply having noble intentions and a willingness to make tough decisions would provide political cover."
...

Huckabee's initial statement, declaring, "should he be found to be responsible for this horrible tragedy, it will be the result of a series of failures in the criminal justice system in both Arkansas and Washington State" seemed to be deflecting his share of the blame. The criminal justice system in Arkansas, for example, was going to keep Clemmons behind bars until the year 2098 until Huckabee stepped in.
Today Huckabee went on Joe Scarborough's radio show, and finally used strong language - not to criticize his earlier decision, but to denounce critics of the decision as "disgusting" and lamenting "how sick our society has become that people are more concerned about a campaign three years from now than those grieving families in Washington."
It takes a particular bravado for a man in Huckabee's circumstances to contend that his critics are the ones who should hang their heads in shame; some people might find letting violent criminals go free early out of a misguided sense that they've changed their ways a clearer reflection of a sick society.

Okay, well, I ripped off that whole post pretty much too.

How about I link his posts on "Bloody Afghanistan" and Bush's "abandonment" of that war?

Update on Huckabee: Huckabee (in Allah's update) accepts partial responsibility for Clemmons while ripping the prosecutors who let him go (since Huckabee let him go), and states unequivocally that in this case religion played no part.

Well, we'll see.

As I conceded, Huckabee does have a point here: 108 years is a long spell for a series of felonies that don't include murder or rape. Still: Part of the decision is about whether this guy had shaped up, and clearly, he had not. Huckabee could have reduced 108 years to 30 years, rather than 11, and this guy would still be in the Slamma like MC Hamma, as Jane Lynch says in Role Models.*

* Possibly erroneously, as the film notes.

Spare Parts: Since I'm apparently just sticking into this post anything and everything that occurs to me, I want to note the witticism of "dr. kill" (I think): He called Michael Mann "Piltdown Mann."

Hee, hee.

He also said scientists were really angry and spitting venom about this sham and that a whitewash wasn't as in-the-bag as I was thinking.

Correction: I had the chronology wrong. SarahW (and other posters) inform me...

Ace, FWIW, Hbee commuted the sentence to 47 years. There is no record of prosecutors objecting in any official or unofficial way.
It's the parole board what sprung him after 11 years. They didn't have to.

Okay, so Huck reduces the sentence to a certain point, then the parole board springs him. But that had to be anticipated. Surely it wasn't a shock to Huck.

Posted by: Ace at 05:22 PM

Comments

1 OT: this is delicious:
http://tinyurl.com/yz2oado

Posted by: ParisParamus at December 01, 2009 05:24 PM (I2aaX)

2 Isn't there a lotion that damps down the stimulation until you're ready to take full advantage of it?

Posted by: Mr. Horse at December 01, 2009 05:26 PM (Ate22)

3
"The Stimulus did what it was supposed to do."
Barack Hussein Obama, mmmmm mmmmm mmmmm

Posted by: a.k.a. at December 01, 2009 05:27 PM (PtVrV)

4 I still respect you.

Posted by: Winston at December 01, 2009 05:28 PM (FggW0)

5 Isn't there a lotion that damps down the stimulation until you're ready to take full advantage of it?
Posted by: Mr. Horse at December 01, 2009 05:26 PM (Ate22)

It's called Helen Thomas.

Posted by: nevergiveup at December 01, 2009 05:29 PM (0GFWk)

It's called Helen Thomas.

Not a lotion, an acid bath.

Posted by: andycanuck at December 01, 2009 05:31 PM (2qU2d)

I work in the construction industry, and all the old timers say they've never seen commercial construction tank this hard this fast.

Multi billion dollar high speed rail projects between wastelands like Cleveland and Toledo? Those are booming.

Posted by: kevlarchick at December 01, 2009 05:31 PM (TNuqz)

8 The road to hell is paved with shovel-ready projects.

Posted by: ParisParamus at December 01, 2009 05:31 PM (I2aaX)

9 Sack cloth and ashes.

Posted by: maverick muse at December 01, 2009 05:32 PM (+CLh/)

Gee. It's almost like the Obama administration has next to zero real-world experience. (Or is that next to Zero?)

Posted by: andycanuck at December 01, 2009 05:38 PM (2qU2d)

er, at first I thought you said "Suck on Huck.

No thank you.

Posted by: but you can do it if you want at December 01, 2009 05:38 PM (T1boi)

12 AGW is real and this is a fake story. Haters

Posted by: 52% of the voting public at December 01, 2009 05:40 PM (whG5F)

13 Obamaaaa!

Obamaaaa!

Obamaaaa!

Give me some of your stash!

Posted by: 52% of the voting public at December 01, 2009 05:42 PM (whG5F)

14 We define customer service by how we treat the customer AFTER we fuck up. Face it, we all make mistakes, the key is to accept responsibility and clean up the mess, not to try to shovel the blame on to someone else.

Huck, you're doing it wrong.

Posted by: John Galt at December 01, 2009 05:44 PM (F/4zf)

15 O's plans are working out beautifully.

United States taken over by thugs....he won...

elections have consequences....

thanks morons.........

Posted by: non_dhimmie at December 01, 2009 05:45 PM (cFwGO)

Fundamental point about Huck: No clemency, no dead cops in Washington over the weekend. No further information needed. No one who seeks to pass the buck and rationalize terrible decisions will ever get my vote. (Yes, Gov. Pawlenty, this includes you and your warmerism BS.)

Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at December 01, 2009 05:47 PM (B+qrE)

"in the most recent report from the Bureau of Labor Statistics, 5,966,000 Americans were employed in that field"

Did they forget to count the jobs in those new congressional districts?

Posted by: x11b1p at December 01, 2009 05:48 PM (ejoAx)

18 I didn't tell the idiot to let Clemmons go.

Posted by: Jesus at December 01, 2009 05:48 PM (QKKT0)

19 Me neither.

Posted by: Allah at December 01, 2009 05:49 PM (QKKT0)

20 Maximus? who is that?

Posted by: Major Scarlet at December 01, 2009 05:49 PM (IIACn)

21 I chatted with Huck, but it was mostly about trunk size.

Posted by: Ganesha at December 01, 2009 05:50 PM (QKKT0)

22 Huck and Obama are both done. Obama's stimulus went to mostly female-centric Health, Education, and Welfare spending in block grants to the states. That kept up or increased female employment in those areas but left White males hosed. The Rasmussen polls Hot Air has details something like 11 points higher anger among White men at Obama/Feds vs. White Women.

Huck had his Dukakis moment. Where he pretty much outright says that Blacks, particularly Black felons, deserve special, privileged treatment and that is not sustainable. Particularly not in a brutal, permanent recession where White guys are the first fired and last hired under the Diversity/PC regime.

Huck clearly pardoned this guy by his own admission because Clemons was Black. He would not have done so if Clemons was White (again, his own words). That does not fly in a nation racked by recession and around 75% White. That is demographic reality.

Posted by: whiskey at December 01, 2009 05:50 PM (L03mw)

23 Huck tries to pin this one on me and he gets a lightning bolt up his ass.

Posted by: Zeus at December 01, 2009 05:50 PM (QKKT0)

24
Alright that's it, I've given you haters more than enough chances to stop posting about climategate.I am now forced to post a devastating thread on my top ten reasons climate change deniers are part of the right wing neo-nazi birther obama hating homophobic conspiracy.But first I must go smell my bike seat for inspiration..

Posted by: Charles Johnson at December 01, 2009 05:51 PM (jvrmc)

25 Obama includes highway construction in the stimulus and is hell-bent on making it too expensive to use the highways that are built. I don't believe Obama is Spock, he's more like crewman #4 who gets eaten by a carnivorous plant while taking a whiz.

Posted by: Dr. Spank at December 01, 2009 05:52 PM (mGSN1)

26 OT: I'm in England right now and the BBC just just compared Obama's presidency to LBJ's. Hesitantly. It was delicious.

On the negative side, they just had Andy Sullivan on. The guy was putting on a fake little English accent.

Posted by: dan-O at December 01, 2009 05:52 PM (sHEwr)

27 Huckabee phuqed up big time. This bleeding heart imbecile commuted the sentence of an animal that should have been imprisoned for the duration of his 108 year sentence. Huckabee's gross incompetence and dereliction of duty cost these 4 police officers their lives. As far as I'm concerned Huckabee should be tried as an accomplice to the murders, which he is, and then be strapped to the electric chair.

Posted by: The Great Satan™ at December 01, 2009 05:52 PM (mxc8N)

There's road construction near my home and a sign that says brought to you by "The Stimulus Bill" or words to that effect. My wife and I want to vandalize the sign and paint grafitti on it that says "Brought to You by the 50% of Us Who Pay Taxes. You're Fucking Welcome"

Would seem to be closer to the truth.

Posted by: LGoPs at December 01, 2009 05:53 PM (tm/sN)

29 We are so boned.

Posted by: DelD at December 01, 2009 05:54 PM (rC+/c)

30 Setting dangerous criminals free isn't even in my jursidiction.

Posted by: Gaia at December 01, 2009 05:55 PM (QKKT0)

31 I believe that Huckabee communted the sentence to 47 years and was not involved in the later parole.

Mike

Posted by: Michael E. Stora, Ph.D. at December 01, 2009 05:55 PM (dNitG)

32 Gee, in some states, the cretin Clemmons would have gotten a life sentence under three strikes, not just a 60-year stretch.

Posted by: stuiec at December 01, 2009 05:56 PM (Ate22)

33 Commuting the sentence to 47 years allowed this animal to be eligible for parole, which is what Huckabee wanted. Bring him to the electric chair.

Posted by: The Great Satan™ at December 01, 2009 05:56 PM (mxc8N)

I for one am glad Huckabee is being taken out of the mix. He reminds me in a weirod sort of way of Howdie Doodie. I think he has no fire in the belly and is in many ways as naive as Obama. And I still resent him for refusing to get out of the race last year and becoming a spoiler for the candidates trying to knock McCain off.

Good riddance.

Posted by: LGoPs at December 01, 2009 05:57 PM (tm/sN)

35 Hey Snowe, history just called and said that its looking pretty good for me. For you and Obama history isn't going to look so kindly on you two, unfortunately.

Oh and a very unPC Merry Christmas to you all, I hope all you young voters enjoy those shovels under the tree this year instead of XBox's and PS3s.

Posted by: George Bush at December 01, 2009 05:58 PM (NgoAe)

36 Ace, FWIW, Hbee commuted the sentence to 47 years. There is no record of prosecutors objecting in any official or unofficial way.

It's the parole board what sprung him after 11 years. They didn't have to.

Posted by: SarahW at December 01, 2009 05:58 PM (CSrvi)

I'm stealing this from sifty, but it's too good not to...

RELEASE DATA , NOT CRIMINALS !

Posted by: gebrauchshund at December 01, 2009 05:59 PM (ZTGFz)

38 Piltdown Mann? Come on. Climate Scientologists. Now that's funny.

Posted by: FUBAR at December 01, 2009 06:01 PM (ZvKgM)

39 It's the parole board what sprung him after 11 years. They didn't have to.

Posted by: SarahW at December 01, 2009 05:58 PM (CSrvi)

The parole board couldn't spring him if not for the commutation. Huck had to know that the commutation would open the way to an early parole.

Posted by: Cicero at December 01, 2009 06:01 PM (QKKT0)

40 It was as if he believed that simply having noble intentions and a willingness to make tough decisions would provide political cover.

Hey, he really is a libtard!

Posted by: Rickshaw Jack at December 01, 2009 06:02 PM (Wagj1)

41 #36 and, as pointed out above, this cop-killer wouldn't have been eligible for parole without the commutation.

Huck needs to be finished for this (among other things).

Posted by: GMan at December 01, 2009 06:02 PM (zQiqq)

42 Can I just clarify that Hbeen is not my idea of a good candidate for president? Just in case that's the knee jerk response to anyone pointing out that fact, or that there were numerous failiures of the criminal justice system with regard to Clemmons that Huckabee had no hand in. Too many intervening mistakes of similar nature to pin this on Hbees suckerosity.

Posted by: SarahW at December 01, 2009 06:04 PM (CSrvi)

The whole"shovel ready projects" was BS from the get go. Most infrastructure projects take years to plan (environmental regs, etc.). If it looks like a project is not going to get funding the preparation work slows down or stops.

Also, looking at the Bureau of Labor Statistic numbers, the only private sector growth has been in health care. Everything else has gone down. However, government employment is going up.

Posted by: Ken at December 01, 2009 06:04 PM (4JpPD)

44 Michael "Piltdown" Mann. Ouch. That one is gonna stick, I think.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at December 01, 2009 06:05 PM (PQY7w)

Huckabee is our Dennis Kucinich. Soft-headed, well-intentioned, okee-dokee with big government and permanently stuck on stupid.

Go away Phuckabee.

Posted by: KingShamus at December 01, 2009 06:06 PM (8n1j5)

1. I hate Allah for his anti-christian bias. Stop going there especially when it doesn't fit.

2. The local middle school now has a huge hill of dirt and mulch with trees planted in it and some bushes. Oh, and boulders. The local 9th grade center has solar panels. The dirt hill cost $500,000. The solar panels, saving us from Global Warming, god knows how much. Both brought to us by the stimulus in a state with a deficit, in a country with a deficit, in a city with a deficit. I would have created a dirt hill for $2000.

Posted by: dagny at December 01, 2009 06:07 PM (mT3nc)

i like huck as a talk show host, and it is fun to watch him pretend to squirm on redeye when gutfeld start going rogue on shultz, however i never thought of him as presidential - something about governors from his state -they all seem like snake oil salesmen (no offense to snakes).

Posted by: x11b1p at December 01, 2009 06:09 PM (ejoAx)

48 Cicero, still, Ace said HB commuted his sentence to 11 years. That isn't what HBee did.

That lengthy sentence remaining was still there if Clemmons violated parole. Which he did. And got released again without any interference from Hbee.

Probably plenty to criticize Huckabee about - he wouldn't be getting it if not for his overall record of commutation of the sentences of violent offenders.

This cop murder, however, is the result of too many intervening failures for me to pin Clemmon's freedom on HB.

Posted by: SarahW at December 01, 2009 06:09 PM (CSrvi)

"It is said the first shovels were used on the Arabian peninsula for shoveling camel dung. Another thing to thank our Moslem brothers for."

"I'll probably mention that tonight when I'm speechifyin'"

Posted by: ObamaFacts! at December 01, 2009 06:12 PM (tWPxz)

Project Funding By American Recovery and Reinvestment Act!

Your Welcome!

Posted by: Precedent Obama! at December 01, 2009 06:12 PM (LWRpx)

51 As I've said all along, the shovels acted stupidly.

Posted by: Barry O at December 01, 2009 06:14 PM (wLgj0)

52 imagine if this was a palin pardon!

Posted by: x11b1p at December 01, 2009 06:14 PM (ejoAx)

"It is said the first shovels were used on the Arabian peninsula for shoveling camel dung. Another thing to thank our Moslem brothers for."

"I'll probably mention that tonight when I'm speechifyin'"

Muslims never invented anything. If the shovel was invented on the arabian peninsula then it was probably invented by the Jews, who founded mecca and medina.

Posted by: Flavius Julius at December 01, 2009 06:14 PM (kKP5O)

54 The whole"shovel ready projects" was BS from the get go. Most infrastructure projects take years to plan (environmental regs, etc.). If it looks like a project is not going to get funding the preparation work slows down or stops.

Eastern Massachusetts has lots of freshly paved highways now.

Posted by: fluffy at December 01, 2009 06:16 PM (4Kl5M)

55 Spare Parts: Since I'm apparently just sticking into this post anything and everything that occurs to me, I want to note the witticism of "dr. kill" (I think): He called Michael Mann "Piltdown Mann."

Meltdown Mann?

Posted by: Greg Toombs at December 01, 2009 06:18 PM (sjfHW)

56 54 The whole"shovel ready projects" was BS from the get go. Most infrastructure projects take years to plan (environmental regs, etc.). If it looks like a project is not going to get funding the preparation work slows down or stops.

Eastern Massachusetts has lots of freshly paved highways now.

Some even that don't drop concrete boulders on commuters.

Posted by: Flavius Julius at December 01, 2009 06:18 PM (kKP5O)

57 Some even that don't drop concrete boulders on commuters.

I try to avoid the $15B car wash.

Posted by: fluffy at December 01, 2009 06:20 PM (4Kl5M)

58 There's road construction near my home and a sign that says brought to you by "The Stimulus Bill" or words to that effect. My wife and I want to vandalize the sign and paint grafitti on it that says "Brought to You by the 50% of Us Who Pay Taxes. You're Fucking Welcome"

If you get caught, just call a press conference and call it an "art project" rather than vandalism. You probably won't beat the rap, but it'll be fun to watch the lefties twist themselves into pretzels while trying to persecute an artist.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at December 01, 2009 06:23 PM (l1Wlr)

59 I think the shovels were used to bury our economy.

Posted by: huerfano at December 01, 2009 06:23 PM (vtuZz)

60 I would have created a dirt hill for $2000.

I would create a shit hill for free!

Posted by: Uniball at December 01, 2009 06:23 PM (27iEn)

61 Eastern Massachusetts has lots of freshly slurry-sealed paved highways which will wash away in 18 months now.

FIFY

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at December 01, 2009 06:25 PM (l1Wlr)

62 It was as if he believed that simply having noble intentions and a willingness to make tough decisions would provide political cover.

Hey, he really is a libtard!

I think Huckabee is one of those guys whose head is conservative but whose heart is liberal, i.e. they know better, but sometimes their inner liberal inclinations wins out and they do stupid stuff. McCain is like this, too.

Rudy Giuliani is the opposite. His head is liberal, but his heart is conservative.

Charles Johnson also is, or was, schizo like this, too, he was a liberal who got scared by 9/11, started thinking more conservatively, but in the end, he simply grew tired of his head telling him what to do. So he told it to STFU and let his inner liberal rage. And what you see now is the result of his inner reconciliation.

Posted by: OregonMuse at December 01, 2009 06:27 PM (6kI9E)

63

This news item is easily overlooked, and revealing: "Highway-construction companies around the country, having completed the mostly small projects paid for by the federal economic-stimulus package, are starting to see their business run aground, an ominous sign for the nation's weak employment picture."

That's because every major construction project requires umpteen studies (archaeology, wetlands, noise, economic impact, endangered species, habitat, etc.) before it can begin. It takes at least five years to complete these studies -- after which they are subject to public review which inevitably results in litigation by green groups.

It generally takes about 10-15 years from proposal to ground breaking for most major construction projects. And only if they have smooth sailing through the courts.

Oops! -- I almost forgot acquiring right-of-ways. Tack on another five to ten years if the property owners are holdouts.

This isn't the same country as 1942. Even the Most High Barak Hussein Obama (PBUH) will not be able to build his own Muscle Shoals boondoggle or even a big ass BHO Highway before he leaves office -- even if he wins a second term.

Posted by: Tinian at December 01, 2009 06:27 PM (7+pP9)

64 Heh, you are so right ITC, that's slurry seal. And, while it might last 18 months in California, it won't go nearly that long in Mass., between the snow and the salt they put on the roads.

Posted by: Peaches at December 01, 2009 06:28 PM (9Wv2j)

65 FIFY

No, they really re-paved. Used those giant asphalt grinding machines and everything. I had plenty of time to rubber-neck while I was creeping past the construction.

That doesn't mean they won't do it again next year, however.

Posted by: fluffy at December 01, 2009 06:29 PM (4Kl5M)

66 Afraid even if they repaved it will not last. The new enviro-friendly asphalt will begin to unravel within days.

Posted by: Flavius Julius at December 01, 2009 06:33 PM (kKP5O)

67
the slurry walls were modeled on the same shit the Dutch use

I think.

Posted by: a.k.a. at December 01, 2009 06:34 PM (PtVrV)

68
If I had a shovel, I'd shovel in the morning
I'd shovel in the evening, all over this land
I'd shovel out waste
I'd shovel out fraud
I'd find the pony in the bottom of the pile
Oh, yeah

Posted by: barry obamalow at December 01, 2009 06:34 PM (Oxen1)

69 If I had a shovel, I'd shovel in the morning
I'd shovel in the evening, all over this land
I'd shovel out waste
I'd shovel out fraud
I'd find the pony unicorn in the bottom of the pile
Oh, yeah

fixed

Posted by: Peaches at December 01, 2009 06:37 PM (9Wv2j)

70 imagine if this was a palin pardon!

Posted by: x11b1p at December 01, 2009 06:14 PM (ejoAx)

Now you've done it. The entire lamestream media is going to be scrambling for evidence that the turkey Palin pardoned at Thanksgiving 2008 went on a murderous rampage and killed a bunch of cops, or kids, or both.

Posted by: stuiec at December 01, 2009 06:38 PM (Ate22)

71 Huck cried, 4 cops died.

Posted by: and now his goose is deep fat fried. at December 01, 2009 06:41 PM (T1boi)

72 Speaking of shovel ready.....
Charles Johnson siting an article by a British writer explaining why he no longer is an AGW skeptic to explain why Charles "converted" himself. They both listen to "very thoughtful, intelligent people". If the pseudo scientific idiot is had actual read the article he might have seen this:

I talked to some brilliant scientists and thinkers, some mainstream Greens, some truly tough-minded scientists. There was James Lovelock, the man whose Gaia hypothesis sees the world as a single, gigantic organism.

Who is James Lovelock? Well he's a pseudo religious crank.

Richard Dawkins, author of The Selfish Gene, dismissed Lovelock's book as "pop-ecology literature." British biologist John Maynard Smith went further, calling Gaia "an evil religion."

The same Richard Dawkins Charles worships daily with posts and little love notes.

But it's a perfect example of Charles' attempts at appearing scientfic.

Instead of getting all my information from “skeptical” blogs and news sources, I started reading books and scientific journals and everything else I could get my hands on. I’m kind of obsessive when I get interested in a subject. (OK, not “kind of” — “definitely.”) by Charles Johnson

Sure Chuck.

Posted by: Rocks at December 01, 2009 06:42 PM (B0vt9)

73 I have never ever met a practitioner of the atheist religion who was not a pillow biter.

Posted by: Flavius Julius at December 01, 2009 06:44 PM (kKP5O)

74 It's so nice -- almost like a public service -- that those of us who choose not to soil ourselves by going over to little green snotballs are able to keep up via the almost non-stop updates here at AoS. I'm just ever so grateful.

_not

Posted by: Peaches at December 01, 2009 06:45 PM (9Wv2j)

75 SarahW gives Huck a better defense than he gave himself.

All Huck had to say is that he gave the parole board a chance to give parole, a chance that the long sentence had made unavailable. Whether the board did so or not was a separate issue. End of response.

Huck buried his own best message with a lot of crap impugning the motives of others, none of which helped him or anyone else.

Posted by: sissoed at December 01, 2009 06:45 PM (XpBZo)

76 Tough luck, Huck - can't duck this buck!

Posted by: Mustang0302 at December 01, 2009 06:48 PM (8bgnu)

77 74 I know what you mean. If I cared what was over there I would just go over there.

Posted by: Flavius Julius at December 01, 2009 06:48 PM (kKP5O)

78 Posted by: Peaches at December 01, 2009 06:45 PM (9Wv2j)

Sorry Peaches, you're right. I should have posted it in Ace's CJ thread.
Mea Culpa.

Posted by: Rocks at December 01, 2009 06:49 PM (B0vt9)

79 Huckabee could have reduced 108 years to 30 years, rather than 11, and this guy would still be in the Slamma like MC Hamma, as Jane Lynch says in Role Models.

Heh. Has Hammer ever been in jail? Except as a preacher for his prison ministry, I mean. Granted, he's not exactly a financial genius, but he's no Snoop Dogg.

Posted by: Ace's liver at December 01, 2009 06:52 PM (XIXhw)

80 Huck buried his own best message with a lot of crap impugning the motives of others, none of which helped him or anyone else.

Posted by: sissoed at December 01, 2009 06:45 PM

Exactly. I dislike Huckles but I can't pin this on him entirely. He should have pointed out the facts, he reduced the sentence, which may or may not have been too long, and that left it open for the parole board. But instead he pointed fingers and whined and now dug himself a hole he won't soon crawl out of...with any luck.

Posted by: Deanna at December 01, 2009 06:53 PM (gxuV2)

81
Anarchy is what it is all about. Phuckaby has 4 dead, only 46 more to go to catch up to willy, if ya believe that sort of thing.
Phuck needs to man up and commit heri-keri.(sp)

I feel bad for the families and the counrty. They (52%) where decieved.

Posted by: Limo Driver at December 01, 2009 06:54 PM (mwn2O)

82 "But that had to be anticipated. Surely it wasn't a shock to Huck."

No it didnt.

Posted by: Ernesto at December 01, 2009 06:54 PM (enFP4)

83 >>>Heh. Has Hammer ever been in jail?

As I noted, the film walks this back as Lynch says "Well either he did go to jail or he came extremely close... I know he declared bankruptcy...."

No I don't think he went to jail, or was ever accused of a crime. I think he just went bankrupt.

Posted by: ace at December 01, 2009 06:55 PM (jlvw3)

Evening all. It sort of strikes me that in the area of pardoning and/or commuting of a prison sentence the Govenor is the backstop of the process. While providing mercy to an individual the Govenor has to hold the protection of society paramount in his/her decision process. It would seem that Clemmons spent about 11 years in prision for a variety of offenses before Huckabee commuted a large portion of his sentence which made him immediately eligible for parole which was granted in 2000. The fact that he violated and was returned to prison in 2001 (to serve the vastly reduced sentence) seems to show that a mistake was made.

I think that this ends any chance at all of Huckabee running for president. The moment he indicates that he is considering it again I think that his record in terms of commuting/pardoning will be under incredible scrutiny and one can but wonder whether there are a lot more errors to be uncovered (hopefully not as horrific as this one although I gather there was at least one other commutation where the released prisoner went on the muder someone).

Posted by: scr_north at December 01, 2009 07:01 PM (GE/dx)

85 Not only did the stimulus fail to create a significant number of jobs in the overall economy, it had little or no impact in the one area that provided that much-hyped slogan: “shovel ready.”

The CBO says that ARRA recipients claimed that 640,000 jobs were "created or retained" through September.

Whether those claims are accurate is another matter entirely...

Posted by: Blacque Jacques Shellacque at December 01, 2009 07:08 PM (jV9DU)

86 No MC Hammer has never been to the pokey. But James Brown is another story...

Posted by: crystal at December 01, 2009 07:11 PM (KVSUW)

87 Huckabee's clemency essentially reduced Clemmons' sentence to time-served after which Clemmons was released on parole. He violated parole (shock!) and went back to prison until 2004 (i think), still well-short of the original sentencing. There's a multi-part problem here: Huckabee's gullability, the whole "credit for good behavior" thing that makes time-served a fraction of time-sentenced, and the ability of a career violent criminal to get out on bail when charged with child rape. Haven't done all the math, but I think that even without Huckabee's gullability, this time bomb would have been back on the streets in time to kill those four police officers.

Posted by: OCBill at December 01, 2009 07:27 PM (WGXy4)

88 All of the prosecutors in Arkansas -- a shitload of them because the state has more counties than a houn' dog does fleas -- were up in arms over Huck's clemency policies. One let loose for every four days of his administration, more than 700 in all. If we still had newspapers worthy of the name, it would be interesting for one to dig up how many crimes they committed.

Posted by: Banjo at December 01, 2009 07:32 PM (1DQ52)

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Mitt is in a political hole with conservatives for his failed Massachessets HC plan that’s hardly any better than Obama’s… and a pitiful response to NY-23’s special election drama (if there was ANY response, I sure don’t recall it).

Meanwhile, the Arctic Fox’s book is #1 while crowds swell at her signings… and a poll now shows her vs Obama’s approval numbers closed within the margin of error… I think we all can see where this is headed...

Posted by: Reaganite Republican at December 01, 2009 07:54 PM (vdbJV)

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Posted by: Huck at December 01, 2009 07:56 PM (QKKT0)

91 Brother Moroni and I are going to rip that little fat hillbilly turd's ass off with a pair of rusty goat shears.

Posted by: Joseph Smith at December 01, 2009 07:57 PM (vTqKC)

92 The Huck Stops Here

(thank goodness)

Posted by: AtlasMugged at December 01, 2009 08:08 PM (PbkDy)

93 $800 billion for fixing the infrastructure of America! No more collapsing bridges! Fix the power grid! Renew our 60 year old interstate highways! Yay, Stimulus Bill!
Except...
"Shovel-ready?" quoth the feminists. "Aren't construction jobs mostly for men? This cannot stand!"
And off they went to Washington, where they threatened and browbeat enough people to change 42% of the jobs to "jobs to fix our crumbling human infrastructure," and which were earmarked for women only.
"Shovel ready" jobs...? Already closing down with the promised infrastructure renewal not done, and men back out on the street again, unemployed.
The jobs for women? Teachers, social workers, etc. Anyone think they'll be out on the street when the Stimulus funds run out? Of course not. They are permanent. End result of Stimulus Bill? About $400 billion in permanent new government jobs.

Posted by: Flubber at December 01, 2009 08:32 PM (/2m9F)

94 Gosh and Golly! It sure seems like it's easy to pin this on Huck!
Looking at it from a distance, why did the dirtbag get 108 years for two non-armed robberies in the first place? That is what Huck is using for a defense. Was it because Arkansas is full of a bunch of hillbilly racists? Or had he done lots more that they weren't charging him for, and the prosecutor let the jury in on it? How the hell do I know, I only lived there for a couple years.
     I just don't see any good reason to sentence anyone to that kind of time. I guarantee he had a license to kill and plunder as soon as he got in. No way he thought he was ever going to see free sky again. Eleven years knowing you were seeing all the world you ever would. If you weren't twisted before, you would be after.
   Why not commute the sentence to a quick hanging? I think that would have been better. If there is no rape or murder or maiming involved, why should a jury have the ability to choose such a long sentence? Prison isn't supposed to be a life home, in my view. I think it should be punishment for your crime that has an end. If there is no end, kill the bastards and get them off my taxes!
   Any crime that could get you that kind of time should have the Death Penalty attached to it. People shouldn't get life for stupid shit like getting caught three times doing non-violent stuff. If it's worth life, man up and throw the damn switch. If we are going to decide that someone is beyond repair, send him home and let God fix his ass. Don't let him be a role model for his fellow inmates.
   Huck tried to do a good deed, if you wanted to do that for this dirthead, it should have happened sooner, and let him work for his parole. This worthless sack was gone before Huck ever got there, and people need to figure that out. You can't save the lost. Whether you're talking about someone feeling like he has been made an outcast, or a child molester, or someone who thinks people taste like pork, you can't come back from some of those trips.
   It's just like when people worry that someone will get the Death Penalty when they were innocent for the crime. Innocent people die every day. Lots of them from the people we're protecting from the Death Penalty. Get over it . Let God sort them out.
But, at least Huck ain't a contender anymore, right?

Posted by: Notsomebodyelse at December 01, 2009 09:16 PM (ALgvI)

95 Not to defend Huck-a-dick but it is reasonable to expect the Parole Board to only release him if he had changed. I would assume the parole board are the experts in that area. In Huck's case he was righting a wrong in his mind that a poor black kid got nailed with 108 years. While passing him off to the parole board to do their duty and verify if he should be freed. Its apparent the board fucked the duck on this one.

Posted by: JonaHex at December 01, 2009 09:44 PM (lXObe)

96 <i>why did the dirtbag get 108 years for two non-armed robberies in the first place? That is what Huck is using for a defense. Was it because Arkansas is full of a bunch of hillbilly racists?...................Notsomebodyelse </i>

You stupid fuck, this subhuman had committed at minimum of 13 felonies including raping a young relative before he want on this cop killing spree. This piece of shit was a menace to society and completely unfit to be among the civilian population. He should have been imprisoned for life as he originally was or executed; all the fault lies with Huckabee who should share the murderers fate since he ultimately made the decision that set this all into motion. .

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99 I'm not a Huck fan but don't take your eyes off the bouncing ball. Those two lib f*ck judges in Washington who let Clemmons out on bail had more insight into the guy than Huck did in 2004. By 2009 Clemmon's rap sheet was far more disturbing. The Washington court system had far more intel.

Posted by: bulwhacker at December 01, 2009 10:27 PM (aMpG9)

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103 Posted by: The Great Satan™ at December 01, 2009 09:51 PM (zA7Oy)

That happened after he should have been thrown back in for his first parole violation in Arkansas, and he never should have made bail after they had him in jail in Washington. And if you could read for comprehension, you'd see that I favor the Death Penalty over life and longer terms in prison.

The sentence that was commuted was for burglary and non-armed forcible theft.

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not a huck fan, and would hate to ever see him run again. always had problems with his massive expansion of social programs and inclination to grant clemency and commutations. i like this site a lot, because generally, you tend to focus more on logical interp than on impassioned critique (and cuz you say "fuck" a lot). but this non sequitur really tells on your illogical hatred of the huck:

"Huckabee could have reduced 108 years to 30 years, rather than 11, and this guy would still be in the Slamma like MC Hamma, as Jane Lynch says in Role Models."

...then...

"Ace, FWIW, Hbee commuted the sentence to 47 years. There is no record of prosecutors objecting in any official or unofficial way.

It's the parole board what sprung him after 11 years. They didn't have to.

Okay, so Huck reduces the sentence to a certain point, then the parole board springs him. But that had to be anticipated. Surely it wasn't a shock to Huck."

so, on the one hand, you say huck is an idiot for commuting the whole sentence instead of commuting it to something like 30 years.

on the other hand, you learn huck commuted the sentence to 50% LONGER than your (retrospective, having-facts-available-to-you-that-huck-did-not) recommendation, and he's still an idiot for, this time, not knowing the parole board would fuck this up?

again, i've been against huck's "compassionate clemency" since the primaries (still voted for him over mccain and that looney mcrooney from my own state, who were the only three still left in the face by the time it come to tx), and i don't want to see anyone who is such an easy target representing my political ideology. the disingenuousness of calling someone an idiot for doing somethat that you just in the last breath called them an idiot for NOT doing is distasteful.

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