Re-Posts: CRU Admits They Threw Away (??!) Old Data; Agrees to Release All Data... That They Haven't Yet Thrown Away

The most important outcome of this is the pressure to actually release data and methodologies, something other scientists generally due without facing criminal charges for FOIA evasions.

In case you've been as away as I have this Thanksgiving weekend, here Purple Avenger's post on CRU's stunning admission that, um, their dog ate their homework. (The science is settled; PBUH.)

SCIENTISTS at the University of East Anglia (UEA) have admitted throwing away much of the raw temperature data on which their predictions of global warming are based.
It means that other academics are not able to check basic calculations said to show a long-term rise in temperature over the past 150 years...

As PA notes, this isn't new -- they had previously given this excuse when their data was demanded. It certainly is the first time it's being prominently covered, of course.

Given Phil Jones email stating that he would rather hit the delete key than press send regarding his secret "scientific" data, this "throwing away" of data takes on the air of the ominous.

They're now agreeing to finally let people look at the data. What's left of it, anyway. Or are they?

In a statement welcomed by climate change sceptics, the university said it would make all the data accessible as soon as possible, once its Climatic Research Unit (CRU) had negotiated its release from a range of non-publication agreements.
The publication will be carried out in collaboration with the Met Office Hadley Centre. The full data, when disclosed, is certain to be scrutinised by both sides in the fierce debate.

Here's the problem: None of these guys want their data looked at. CRU has this data because the scientists they work with and correspond with have been granted non-publication agreements. CRU gets a lot of its data from people with such agreements -- apparently the entire field is dominated by them; secrecy is the watchword in this particular branch of science, or alchemy, or divination, or whatever it really is -- and they have no desire nor motive to rat on themselves.

So CRU will pretend it's the good guy here -- hey, we want to disclose this stuff! -- but all the scientists with whom they have non-publication agreements will refuse to void those agreements. The data stays safely hidden, while CRU gets a bit of a PR boost.

Hey, the tried, right?

Posted by: Ace at 03:12 PM

Comments

1 Sorry, we can't give you the data you requested, there may be IP in there.

Posted by: Bust of James Hanson at November 30, 2009 03:15 PM (8/DeP)

2 While I'm diggin' the amplification of this story, I'm more interested in Ace's take on Huckabee and clemency.

Posted by: Christopher Calandro at November 30, 2009 03:16 PM (JdbYk)

3 There was a fire, an earthquake, a terrible flood (all caused by global warming), it's not our fault. And somebody summoned a meteor!

Posted by: 141 Driver at November 30, 2009 03:17 PM (LEynS)

4 Just move along and sign on to the treaty. Save some time destroying the US Economy.

Posted by: kansas at November 30, 2009 03:17 PM (mka2b)

5 They will delay releasing data for as long as possible and hide behind having to get the owner of the data they have permission to release it.

So I guess if we had a REAL investigative journalist on the case they might ask inconvenient questions like having a look at the non-disclosure agreements signed (or not signed as the case may be).

Mailman

Posted by: Mailman at November 30, 2009 03:18 PM (J+iGc)

6 OT,

Did you guys read this?? (via Hot Air)

If true, it's terrible, terrible. Eff'in Owe-bama!

Posted by: GregInSeattle at November 30, 2009 03:18 PM (B5cM9)

7 The Western governments are useless. Some sane country like China or India should demand all data, methodology and model source code to be disclosed before they will lift a finger about Global Warming. That should cool down this warmering idiocy.

Posted by: Tushar at November 30, 2009 03:20 PM (DRC3Q)

8 Alright, here is the data in its entirety:

Posted by: Phil at November 30, 2009 03:21 PM (NHZXr)

9 And remember: The data they do retain and are willing to show is at least 2nd generation data derived from whatever the original data contained (one at least hopes) and massaged with whatever formulas these wielders of the New Science deemed appropriate to their fine sensibilities and grant-demands.

Posted by: krakatoa at November 30, 2009 03:22 PM (uUtzg)

10 Lets make sure the rotweillers and dobermans (not to be confused with a certain msncb imbecile...) stay on these pseudo-scientists until they are driven out of their "field."

Posted by: ParisParamus at November 30, 2009 03:23 PM (I2aaX)

11 "The Western governments are useless. Some sane country like China or India should demand all data, methodology and model source code to be disclosed before they will lift a finger about Global Warming. That should cool down this warmering idiocy."

China and India are all set to get on the AGW bandwagon - all the restrictions apply to "Developed Countries," and they're firmly attached to the notion of not being in that category.

When we move down to purely third-world countries, support is quite strong - because these are the countries that will be receiving payouts from the money left over after the graft.

Posted by: Al at November 30, 2009 03:25 PM (0lyUI)

On a serious note, IF they go open source with the data and programs, I would be more inclined to listen to them. Until then, I say they're frakkin' liers and I don't believe anything they come up with. If the Presnit insists on signing some 'agreement', if should (and will) be viewed as a scam as well.

I look on Al Gore, Penn State's Mann and his hockey team, and the leftist media as having no credibility whatsoever. Remember, the $cience is $ettled.

Posted by: 141 Driver at November 30, 2009 03:25 PM (LEynS)

13 SCIENCE !

Posted by: Thomas Dolby at November 30, 2009 03:25 PM (Uc/xV)

14 I didn't know science was supposed to be as secretive as the faked moon landing. Or as accurate.

Posted by: Dr. Spank at November 30, 2009 03:25 PM (GGgoa)

15 I am going to repeat my idea of what global warming is to a 'typical liberal'.

The 'typical liberal' doesn't have religion in a classical sense. They don't 'believe' in a 'higher power' having an effect on their life.

Global warming now fills that void.

In the Dark Ages any calamity was blamed on the Devil. If your calf was stillborn, it was the Devil. Hard rain knocked down your wheat, the Devil. A family member sickens and dies, the Devil. Food is missing from the shed, Ace stole it.

Now global warming is blamed. Flood, fire, hurricane, earthquake, heck, even Philipino whores are because of global warming.

Posted by: Mortis at November 30, 2009 03:29 PM (hA5JK)

16 A long long time ago
I can still remember how junk science used to make me smile
And I knew if I had my chance
That I could make those people dance
And maybe they'd be paying for a while.

But November made me shiver
With every warming paper I'd deliver
Bad news on the doorstep
I couldn't take one more step

I can't remember if I cried
When I read about his hacked email hide
But something touched me deep inside
The day my junk science died.

Posted by: CRU scintist turned lyricist at November 30, 2009 03:30 PM (J5Hcw)

17 Science is supposed to be truthy. Secretive and Accurate are simply nice-to-haves.

Posted by: Arbalest at November 30, 2009 03:31 PM (7CMP3)

18 Somewhere out there is a disk containing everything people want to have to verify this stuff. I wonder if the leaker is holding it in reserve...

Posted by: joncelli at November 30, 2009 03:31 PM (RD7QR)

hate to bring up the Lizard King, but when he utters this dreck, all you can do is shake your head and keep on walking

70 Charles11/29/2009 12:49:58 pm PST

* 7
* down
* up
* report

Meanwhile, no one seems to care in the slightest that these false claims are being floated by industry front groups, who are using the same kind of �cloud of disinformation� techniques that the tobacco industry employed for decades to confuse people about the link between tobacco smoking and cancer.

Posted by: eddiebear at November 30, 2009 03:32 PM (wnU1W)

You know what they say a good magician never reveals his tricks. These guys are pretty freakin good though they have convinced people it is getting warmer when it is cold as hell outside. All I could ever do was make the Statue of Liberty disapear and noone ever gave me billions of dollars.

Posted by: David Coperfield at November 30, 2009 03:33 PM (SqAkN)

21 Uhmmm....

Hand over one of the drives that data was on, and let me fire up my Helix recovery PC.

I'll get it back for you.

Posted by: Rickshaw Jack at November 30, 2009 03:34 PM (Wagj1)

22 "other scientists generally due"

other scientists generally do

Posted by: annoying grammar cop at November 30, 2009 03:34 PM (J8xii)

23 Ohhhh! How dare you conservatives call it global warming. That is so last year! The correct thing now is climate change. we can now blame all climate change on Bush now. everything and everything

Posted by: climate change nazi at November 30, 2009 03:34 PM (kmgIE)

24 They will double down on teh stoopid. Its what the "true believers" do.

Posted by: Fred at November 30, 2009 03:35 PM (xWGQr)

They can release all they want and it won't change my mind...

I still want to lauch Algore out of a clown-cannon.

Two actually, one at each end of the stadium to facilitate fast reloading. Call it mental-dwarf tossing.

Posted by: Huckleberry at November 30, 2009 03:35 PM (s2bW4)

26 There is no missing data you deniers.

Posted by: Charles Johnson at November 30, 2009 03:36 PM (mka2b)

27 yes, here is all the information that supports our claims.......the stuff we threw away supported our claims too.....really...it's just the stuff we kept supported it more.......just ask charles...he knows.....

Posted by: phoenixgirl at November 30, 2009 03:36 PM (ucxC/)

28 You know writing this dreck that makes Andrew Sullivan like me is giving me a headache.

Posted by: Charles Johnson at November 30, 2009 03:38 PM (mka2b)

29 Its possible they'll release some of the data, but you know they won't give it all away because it makes them look like idiots and crappy scientists.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at November 30, 2009 03:38 PM (PQY7w)

30 Why would any good magician want to give away the secrets to their magic act? And don't get me started on that masked magician guy.

Posted by: David Coperfield at November 30, 2009 03:40 PM (SqAkN)

31 I recently read somewhere(I believe AP) that "climate change" was continuing, if not accelerating, and would lead to dire consequences if not stopped. What the f*ck does that even mean? The climate changes constantly. Whenever I see the term "climate change" used instead of global warming, I know what's to follow is probably propaganda.

Posted by: Dr. Spank at November 30, 2009 03:42 PM (GGgoa)

32 So, basically, Cold Fusion is better documented than Global Warming.

Posted by: nickless at November 30, 2009 03:45 PM (MMC8r)

33 Can the CRU dog eat the ratings records for us too?

kthxbye

Posted by: NBC Green Week at November 30, 2009 03:45 PM (GtYrq)

"I recently read somewhere(I believe AP) that "climate change" was continuing, if not accelerating, and would lead to dire consequences if not stopped."

So when is Keith Olbermann having his "The War on Winter and Summer" special?

Posted by: Mr. Pink at November 30, 2009 03:46 PM (SqAkN)

35 Why would any good magician want to give away the secrets to their magic act? And don't get me started on that masked magician guy.

We're still not letting Job Bluth back in.

Posted by: The Alliance at November 30, 2009 03:46 PM (GtYrq)

36 Don't worry Starfleet. I've got it all backed up in my noodle.

Posted by: Vulcan Phil Jones at November 30, 2009 03:48 PM (GtYrq)

37 What the f*ck does that even mean? The climate changes constantly.

We used to call that "weather."

Posted by: XBradTC at November 30, 2009 03:48 PM (y0E9v)

38 The science is settled... at the bottom of that dumpster!

Posted by: Jim Treacher at November 30, 2009 03:51 PM (GrDz5)

"Save the Earth"
(from "Godzilla vs. The Smog Monster")

Animals, God's animals
Don't go away, don't go
Flowers, my flowers
Don't go away, don't go
The sea has cobalt, it's full of mercury
Too many fumes in our oxygen
All the smog now is choking you and me
Good Lord, where is it gonna end?
Got to get it back, someday
Got to get it back, and soon now
For tomorrow maybe you and me
We're movin', we're movin', movin' to the Moon now
It's up to us to make a choice
We know what it's worth to save the Earth
Come raise your voice
Save the Earth! (save the Earth)
Save the Earth! (save the Earth)
See the evil problem around us
Save the Earth! (save the Earth)
Save the Earth! (save the Earth)
And the Solution: stop pollution
Save the Earth! (save the Earth)
Save the Earth! (save the Earth)
Save the Earth!
And the Solution: to stop pollution
Save the Earth!
Save the Earth!
Save the Earth!

Posted by: MECHA-KING GHIDORAH at November 30, 2009 03:51 PM (0QJjg)

Robert Gibbs asked about CLIMATEGATE at WH Presser video

Posted by: newser at November 30, 2009 03:52 PM (X2eW0)

What kind of fucking science uses "non-publication agreements" for gathering data? What the hell is the use of a "non-publication agreement" for a bunch of temperature records?

What in the world is going on?

"Non-publication agreements" for peer reviewed studies, that effectively renders them completely useless since they can't actually be reviewed by their peers since all the data is under a "non-publication agreement"? Seriously?

Posted by: Rip at November 30, 2009 03:53 PM (onO2O)

42 Let's not forget: the data they have now is "value-added data". I feel much better already.

Posted by: 141 Driver at November 30, 2009 03:55 PM (LEynS)

43 We're still not letting Job Bluth back in.

You've made a horrible mistake.

Posted by: Gob Bluth at November 30, 2009 03:55 PM (NtiET)

Damn it, my service records were on the same discs as the climate change data.

Posted by: John F Kerry at November 30, 2009 03:55 PM (vtuZz)

45 You fucked up! You trusted us!

Posted by: The climate scientists at November 30, 2009 03:55 PM (KOkrW)

46 Congratulations AGW alarmists. You're Bill Gates and Steve Ballmer combined as one. Enjoy your spoils.

Posted by: WTFCI at November 30, 2009 03:55 PM (GtYrq)

I always used to wonder how they got good data from measurements taken 100 years ago. "There's no way they can use that data to claim a temperature increase of 0.8C over the last century", I said to myself, picturing men with top hats and monocles squinting at olde-time thermometers and writing the closest number down.

Then I'd say "not to mention that the data wasn't being calibrated so that the guy in Russia and the guy in New York could compare their measurements in any meaningful way".

I'd say that, then I'd tell myself that They Must Know What They're Doing. I'm just a guy with an Engineering degree.

I should listen to myself more.

Posted by: Zorachus at November 30, 2009 03:55 PM (Ur8hl)

48 Phil @ #8: Very nicely done. +1

Posted by: LibertarianJim at November 30, 2009 03:58 PM (1Iiqg)

49 They don't have the original temperature data, nor do they have the original algorithms used to massage the data. Other than that, the information to be released will be dynamite,

Posted by: Dr. Spank at November 30, 2009 04:00 PM (GGgoa)

50 This changes nothing. Hahahahahahahahahahah.

Posted by: Al Gore at November 30, 2009 04:01 PM (mka2b)

51 That always pissed me off when we got Oh, sure, you can have the data. Here's how much it'll cost ya! responses back regarding obtaining data.

Now, admittedly, charging some fees to write a box load of tapes and mailing them is not unreasonable. Charging a king's ransom over and above that is.

Posted by: I R A Darth Aggie at November 30, 2009 04:01 PM (1hM1d)

52 Over at Real Climate "Gavin" is having a great time telling all that the data has been released and available this whole time. The deniers just didn't want to take the time to look for it and wanted the CRU group to hand it over so because the deniers were too lazy to figure it out.

The best part the commenters who are giving atta boys to "Gavin" for this revelation that the data has been on the web the whole time.

No mention that no one knows what data CRU cherry-picked for their calculations. Nor their methodologies.

sigh

Posted by: kmiller1k at November 30, 2009 04:02 PM (n5ruu)

53 So, basically, Cold Fusion is better documented than Global Warming.

If CRU did the cold fusion research, the whole world would be building very expensive cold fusion reactors with 0.00000 Gigawatt capacity and 1000 year expected lifetimes.

Posted by: Purple Avenger at November 30, 2009 04:02 PM (EBhbA)

54
obviously you hateful deniers missed my super duper sciency counter argument argument over at LGF (don't forget to hit the tip jar) so I'll post it here.A SEVER WAS BRUTALLY HACKED FOR THE LOVE OF GOD.

Posted by: Charles Johnson at November 30, 2009 04:02 PM (jvrmc)

OT - Very interesting from HotAir

Those SEALs being court marshalled for giving a murdering terrorist an owie...

...is in actuality Barry throwing a temper tantrum!

http://tinyurl.com/yk7yozl

Posted by: Hussein the Plumber at November 30, 2009 04:03 PM (RkRxq)

56 Also not sure but read on one of the blogs that it is met data from some country in the middle east that is the hold-out on releasing the met data.

Posted by: kmiller1k at November 30, 2009 04:03 PM (n5ruu)

WTF is a "non-publication agreement" doing in science anyway?

Criminal.

Posted by: chemjeff at November 30, 2009 04:04 PM (pTyL2)

58 It will be fascinating to see what actual "data" if any gets released.

Raw number data is pretty useless as that can be pulled out of thin air.

What needs to be released is the collected data with all of the attendant
ancillary data, (date, location, high temp, low temp atmospheric conditions, etc.)

Posted by: The 2nd Amendment at November 30, 2009 04:04 PM (RwvN1)

59 Remind me to try this the next time I get a request from the IRS.

Posted by: rawmuse at November 30, 2009 04:05 PM (g03dw)

60 Dude, those guys blame me for EVERYTHING. Phil Jones eats kimchi and farts in the elevator....and I get locked in the dog carrier. I don't even ride the elevator.

Not to mention Michael Mann. He drops his hockey stick down the steps because he's too cheap to buy a case, and I'm accused of chewing on it.

I swear, the next time these bastards blame me.....

SQUIRREL!! ...POINT!

I'm sorry, where was I?

Posted by: The Dog at November 30, 2009 04:06 PM (l1Wlr)

61 Its no coincidence that the same university where Hadley CRU is run was the one that gave us the Piltdown man.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at November 30, 2009 04:06 PM (PQY7w)

62 I'm still going to ram cap and trade down the throats of you teabaggers.

Posted by: San Fran Nan at November 30, 2009 04:08 PM (fDWFP)

Andrew Marcus at Big Government (or the Big Government headline writer?) invents a perfect name for the AGW assholes and the real reason for Copenhagen:

CO²mmunists.

Posted by: andycanuck at November 30, 2009 04:09 PM (2qU2d)

"WTF is a "non-publication agreement" doing in science anyway?"

In layman's terms that means "Abra Cadabra"

Posted by: Mr. Pink at November 30, 2009 04:09 PM (SqAkN)

65 No data for you!

Posted by: data nazi at November 30, 2009 04:09 PM (6kI9E)

66 If CRU did the cold fusion research, the whole world would be building very expensive cold fusion reactors with 0.00000 Gigawatt capacity and 1000 year expected lifetimes.

I've been directing investments in this technology for years.

Posted by: Bernie Madoff at November 30, 2009 04:11 PM (GGgoa)

67 A SEVER WAS BRUTALLY HACKED FOR THE LOVE OF GOD.

Well, yes. A brutal hack usually does lead to a sever.

Posted by: Freddie Krueger at November 30, 2009 04:11 PM (wOGfT)

Whether the climate change be fine
Or whether the climate change be not
Whether the climate change be cold
Or whether the climate change be hot
We'll weather the climate change
Whatever the climate change
Whether we like it or not.

So, go to hell alarmists!

Posted by: Rocks at November 30, 2009 04:13 PM (Q1lie)

69 Some colorful poesy!

Posted by: joncelli at November 30, 2009 04:14 PM (RD7QR)

Andrew Marcus at Big Government (or the Big Government headline writer?) invents a perfect name for the AGW assholes and the real reason for Copenhagen:

CO²mmunists.

I like it.

Posted by: Flavius Julius at November 30, 2009 04:15 PM (kKP5O)

psst, canuck: you want the <sub> tag not the <sup>.

O² would be an isotope of oxygen, with seven neutrons of negative mass.

Posted by: David Ross at November 30, 2009 04:15 PM (9Sbz+)

72 So CRU will pretend it's the good guy here -- hey, we want to disclose this stuff! -- but all the scientists with whom they have non-publication agreements will refuse to void those agreements. The data stays safely hidden, while CRU gets a bit of a PR boost.

I used to work with a guy that used this strategy all the time. He would tell people that he would be happy to do a particular job, knowing full well that our boss would never approve it. When the request made its way through channels, the boss would deny it. The guy could then go back and blame everything on the boss. He didn't have to do a job he didn't want to do in the first place, and he was a hero.

It kinda backfired when we got a new boss. He tried the same stunt, only she (the boss) approved the job. He had to suck it up and do it.

Posted by: Steve L. at November 30, 2009 04:15 PM (Gkhxf)

73 The Vatican in the 14th century put out better science.

Posted by: Dr. Spank at November 30, 2009 04:15 PM (GGgoa)

74 Miscounted. Oxygen is O¹⁶. Eight negative mass neutrons, which I think may well be all of them.

Posted by: David Ross at November 30, 2009 04:16 PM (9Sbz+)

75 CO2mmunists.

Posted by: Flavius Julius at November 30, 2009 04:17 PM (kKP5O)

I'm thinking that Gohr obviously deserves another Nobel Prize for this, right?

Perhaps another academy award?

The clap?

Posted by: Hussein the Plumber at November 30, 2009 04:17 PM (RkRxq)

From the Drudge "UN Digs In..." link:

[Rajendra Pachauri, IPCC chairman] said an independent inquiry into the emails would achieve little, but there should be a criminal investigation into how the emails came to light.

He must be a scientist too!

Posted by: Chef Boy RDB at November 30, 2009 04:18 PM (q6dIH)

Okay, maybe seven again. 8 protons + 1 neutron - 7 "antineutrons" works out to O²

Posted by: David Ross at November 30, 2009 04:18 PM (9Sbz+)

I'm thinking that Gohr obviously deserves another Nobel Prize for this, right?

Perhaps another academy award?

The clap?

300 meter 21 gun salute?

Posted by: Flavius Julius at November 30, 2009 04:19 PM (kKP5O)

80 sock away!

Posted by: OregonMuse at November 30, 2009 04:20 PM (6kI9E)

81 This reminded me years ago when Scientific American was whining about the lack of transparency of the methods of extracting and catergorizing DNA to be used in criminal investigations. Their thrust was that this may be good science, but it needs to be open.

When it comes to AGW, "the science is settled" as far as SciAm is concerned.

Stopped reading them years ago.

Posted by: David in San Diego at November 30, 2009 04:21 PM (GF+6V)

82 And to think that all of this could have been prevented by more abortions.

Posted by: Hussein the Plumber at November 30, 2009 04:21 PM (RkRxq)

83 Then I'd say "not to mention that the data wasn't being calibrated so that the guy in Russia and the guy in New York could compare their measurements in any meaningful way".

Calibrate? Measurements? What does that have to do with lightbulbs killing polar bears?

Posted by: Average American at November 30, 2009 04:21 PM (NtiET)

You're right, David. I didn't notice that from copying the headline.

CO₂mmunists it is.

[OT how about a warning about linking to Fuck Frum Forum, hussein the plumber, especially when implying a HotAir link?]

Posted by: andycanuck at November 30, 2009 04:22 PM (2qU2d)

85 Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true."

Posted by: Homer the climate scientist at November 30, 2009 04:22 PM (m2CN7)

86 Al Gore is the greatest magician ever. He has successfully convinced millions of people worldwide that it is getting warmer. Not only that his "show" has raked in billions. People can even take his "show" home with them as well and so they can remain apart of it anytime they want. It is the ultimate magic act. Not only has he convinced millions of people worldwide not to believe their own eyes, but he allows them to literally take part in "sawing a woman in half" at the privacy of their own house by buying carbon credits, recycling, or changing their light bulbs.

Posted by: Mr. Pink at November 30, 2009 04:22 PM (SqAkN)

87 The Edison Light Bulb becomes a controlled substance in 2012.

Posted by: Flavius Julius at November 30, 2009 04:23 PM (kKP5O)

Hey, remember that one unseasonably warm day in November 1974?

I think it was in Colorado or maybe Turkey. No wait...Bhutan.

That was pretty much it.

...

So, having any industrialized-man guilt yet?

Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at November 30, 2009 04:25 PM (B+qrE)

Yes, Mr Pink, but can Al Gore make a yacht... disappear?

Posted by: gob bluth at November 30, 2009 04:25 PM (2qU2d)

90 I don't want to see the data so much as I want to see an audit: I want them to walk everybody through exactly how they arrived at their conclusions.

Of course they can't as their code is full of absurd hacks and kludges. But any other scientist halfway certain of his results would be happy (and proud) to share his methodology.

Posted by: tachyonshuggy at November 30, 2009 04:26 PM (yUybe)

91 pay no attention to the man behind the curtain

Posted by: The Great and Powerful Gore at November 30, 2009 04:26 PM (k7SeR)

Hah! Suckers! We've now mandated that you peasants can only buy bulbs even dimmer than we are! Enjoy!

Posted by: Congress at November 30, 2009 04:27 PM (ERJIu)

93 Our new super-awesome research indicates that the sun does indeed revolve around the Earth and that the Earth is at the center of the universe. It's science.

Posted by: Michael Mann at November 30, 2009 04:27 PM (GGgoa)

94 Do you get technical writing points for writing lie after lie to the media and the government who paid you big bucks to came up with garbage that the uneducated took in hook,line and sinker! We won't even talk about the MSM bottom feeders.

Posted by: climate change nazi at November 30, 2009 04:28 PM (kmgIE)

95 Here is your data.......for me to poop on!

Posted by: Triumph the Insult Scientist at November 30, 2009 04:28 PM (ERJIu)

Heh. The first comment at the Big Government link mentions the superscript error, too, David. 8^)

Posted by: andycanuck at November 30, 2009 04:28 PM (2qU2d)

97 Cut the wattage and I will just by more lamps.

Posted by: Really Bright Guy at November 30, 2009 04:29 PM (kKP5O)

98 I placed the data in the Aztec Tomb.

*cue Europe - Final Countdown*

Now watch!

Posted by: Gob Bluth at November 30, 2009 04:29 PM (GtYrq)

99 "Hey, the tried, right?"

How's that again in English?

Posted by: Annoying Grammar Cop's Sidekick at November 30, 2009 04:33 PM (PMGbu)

100 Steyn has coined the term "data rape".

Posted by: AmishDude at November 30, 2009 04:33 PM (T0NGe)

101 Now save the earth and buy those now enviromental bulbs the are eco friendly. They only contain mercury. SUCKERS! They only cost about 10X the old bulb costs. But they do not last 10x as long.

Posted by: mystry at November 30, 2009 04:33 PM (kmgIE)

102

Steyn has coined the term "data rape".

I prefer the public domain "making shit up."

Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at November 30, 2009 04:34 PM (B+qrE)

103

The Western governments are useless. Some sane country like China or India should demand all data, methodology and model source code to be disclosed before they will lift a finger about Global Warming. That should cool down this warmering idiocy.

It is because they are sane that they will not do a thing to upset this applecard. They are conscious of the concept: don't interrupt your enemies while they are making mistakes. And don't for a moment think that China does not consider everyone in the West as enemies.

And anyway, China and scientific integrity is hard to reconcile. Remember the level of secrecy and non-disclosure during the avian flu panic?

Posted by: Decaf at November 30, 2009 04:35 PM (BoFBr)

104

Oh, no! A hacker's broken into Ace's and spilled italics all over the home page! Or Charlie Brown just took a data dump.

Posted by: andycanuck at November 30, 2009 04:36 PM (2qU2d)

105 Too little, too late.
Copenhagen is in view.
Momentum will keep this going.
People are waking up just in time to watch it all burn down.

Posted by: RayJ at November 30, 2009 04:38 PM (//Bcg)

106 On Cavuto, the guest said--and I'm blocking on his name--to paraphrase, "While religious faith is fine, we don't tax people and destroy the economy in order to support religious faith."

Posted by: Chef Boy RDB at November 30, 2009 04:42 PM (q6dIH)

107 The irony is that the admission that old data was dumped can be used as cover in case some of the more recent data, uh, doesn't fit the narrative.

Oops, lost another data point.

Posted by: Phil at November 30, 2009 04:47 PM (xKm/Y)

108 Just like any good magician they are distracting us with a wand in their right hand and hoping we don't notice what the left is doing. The "data" is only one of the issues - the issue with the data is it's poor management and lack of referable repository or index of the uses. Just look at the one tree example; a data set was winnowed down to twelve trees - then one tree was used to bias the entire trend-line.

Posted by: Jean at November 30, 2009 05:10 PM (xCBQ4)

109 Meanwhile NASA GISS (home of James Hansen etc) is getting sued to release their data after stalling on FOI requests for up to three years.

Posted by: Huckleberry at November 30, 2009 05:28 PM (s2bW4)

110

If something like this were discovered in a quality assurance audit of a nuclear power plant, that plant would be shut down. I know, I was at Tennessee Valley Authority in the late 1980s.

The CRU has been audited, and they failed, very badly. Everything done by these arrogant jerks and every conclusion derived from their work should be tossed. The future is too important to be determined by sloppy work driven by financial interests.

Posted by: Pelayo at November 30, 2009 05:32 PM (wwQxi)

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Did anyone address note 54 yet?

Presumably, CJ is referring to:

http://littlegreenfootballs.com/

article/35233

Posted by: Phil at November 30, 2009 05:41 PM (cBaCB)

112 I'm still in favor of global warming, and disturbed by the revelation that it may be a hoax.

Posted by: toby928 at November 30, 2009 06:00 PM (PD1tk)

113 112... yeah, I think one might make a case that it would be a net benefit. Life on earth thrived at much much higher levels of CO2.

Posted by: Huckleberry at November 30, 2009 06:08 PM (s2bW4)

114 I agree, releasing the information is pointless by now. Its time to scrap everything and start over, this time with open work, actual peer review, and everyone being involved, not just their little play date buddies.

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115 On Cavuto, the guest said--and I'm blocking on his name--to paraphrase, "While religious faith is fine, we don't tax people and destroy the economy in order to support religious faith."

That's because you're all filthy infidels, only fit to have your brains eaten.

Braaaaains, inshallah.

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116 Posted by: eddiebear at November 30,

So what does Charlie do/say when all of these reforming moonbats (like Crook, Monbiot, etc.) point out that the fraud is real? That the fake "science" is ALL on his side of the argument. What a douche.

Posted by: lincolntf at November 30, 2009 08:49 PM (7XkqZ)

117 There are areas in science where non-release of data for a time can be justified, as long as you don't require that anyone take you seriously.
But given the trillions of dollars and manipulations of entire governments, economies, industries and even civilizations that are riding on the AGW data, I suggest that either they release the goddamn data or every single law and regulation based on AGW should be nullified immediately.

Posted by: Flubber at November 30, 2009 08:58 PM (/2m9F)

118 This is a Nontraversy! They are giving out all the information <i>they have</i> and you Deniers still criticize them. Which proves your cro-mag mentality and that you are probably raving christianists.

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Rush has countered with "warmer," and I've also heard "alarmist" on FOX.

We need a contest to find the best counter-ridicule for the Global Warmists.

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