Former Democratic Contender for President and DNC Chair Howard Dean: Kill ObamaCare, the "Republicans are Right"

Was this covered? If so, sorry.

Dean attacks the bill mostly from the left -- he wants single-payer stuff from the jump -- but in his final analysis, he says this bill is worse than the status quo.

Posted by: Ace at 12:23 AM

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Hyaaaaaaa! Oh, wait.

Posted by: Moron in Exile at November 27, 2009 12:25 AM (FsB36)

2 Friday afternoon in Asia, hope you all got to the dinner table and the family is crowded around. I got to eat turkey with the Navy personnel at the shipyard. Happy turkey coma to all. Now wake up and fix me a sammich.

Posted by: Moron in Exile at November 27, 2009 12:27 AM (FsB36)

Yoo hoo? L-triptomine got your tongue?

Posted by: Moron in Exile at November 27, 2009 12:29 AM (FsB36)

if you think I'm gonna stand around and talk to myself you might be right.

Posted by: Moron in Exile at November 27, 2009 12:30 AM (FsB36)

I have commented here that our only hope to stop this is that the far left gets so radical that they rather pass nothing then pass a slightly less marxist piece of crap.

Posted by: Dan at November 27, 2009 12:31 AM (KZraB)

6 If this bill passes we are going to lose in Arkansas, then Nebraska, then Virginia, then New Jersey, we will lose the whole country!!! Yeeeeeeeeeeaaaaaaarrrhhhh!

Posted by: Dr. Dean at November 27, 2009 12:31 AM (n1uMU)

Okay, that is surprising.

Posted by: Rodent Liberation Front at November 27, 2009 12:32 AM (dQdrY)

8 What's the record for most uninterrupted posts? I'm rolling.

Posted by: Moron in Exile at November 27, 2009 12:33 AM (FsB36)

9 @5 No way, they will bitch nonstop, vote for the 90% Marxist trash, then work diligently to get the last 10% enacted.

Posted by: gau at November 27, 2009 12:34 AM (n1uMU)

10 Howard Dean? Never heard of him. Maybe if you screamed a little louder...

Posted by: Charles Gibson at November 27, 2009 12:34 AM (ItSLQ)

11 Damn you Charlie Gibson joke! Why must you torment me?

Posted by: gau at November 27, 2009 12:35 AM (n1uMU)

12 Thanks, Doc and Rodent. The echo was messing with me.

Posted by: Moron in Exile at November 27, 2009 12:35 AM (FsB36)

13 What is this echo you speak of?

Posted by: Charles Gibson at November 27, 2009 12:36 AM (ItSLQ)

14 8 What's the record for most uninterrupted posts? I'm rolling.

I've strung together a dozen or so at the end of ONTs, at 4 AM Pacific Time or so when I can't sleep.

Interesting gambit by Dean. I wonder what it means?

Posted by: Otis Criblecoblis at November 27, 2009 12:36 AM (tPZUr)

15 Gau? never heard of him. Why does he think I'm a joke?

Posted by: Charles Gibson at November 27, 2009 12:37 AM (WiHfw)

16 Well, if the Democrat wing of the Democrat party isn't on board, I guess they better just pick up all their toys and go home. I'm sure the public will give them another chance to get it right next term, so what's the rush?

Posted by: Methos at November 27, 2009 12:37 AM (CoDwG)

17 Charles Gibson? Never heard of him.

Posted by: Charles Gibson at November 27, 2009 12:37 AM (FsB36)

18 It's his ass if the Dems lose big next year.

Posted by: tachyonshuggy at November 27, 2009 12:38 AM (YRjsF)

Howard Dean? DNC? President?

Let's leave this one to the cables and have another piece of pumpkin pie.

Posted by: Charles Gibson at November 27, 2009 12:39 AM (oyo/v)

20 My impresssion of Howard Dean

EEEEARRRRGGGGGH !!

Thank you, that is all.

Posted by: Blazer at November 27, 2009 12:39 AM (+FzLa)

21 Is this a way for the democrats to retreat!

Posted by: conscious, but incoherent at November 27, 2009 12:40 AM (Vu6sl)

22 Maybe trying to convince the public that the hard left doesn't like it, so its really a compromise. When, in reality, its 99% leftist bullshit and the GOP has had zero say in any of it.

Posted by: gau at November 27, 2009 12:40 AM (n1uMU)

23 Oh no, they're going all the way off the cliff on this one.

Posted by: mcassill at November 27, 2009 12:42 AM (WiHfw)

24 I must say, that even though I disagree with his politics dramatically, I respect Howard Dean. The man has principles, he's honest, and he's smart and looks to the long term.

I wish more Democrats were like him.

Actually, I wish more Democrats were like Scoop Jackson, but at this stage, I'll take anything.

Posted by: Mastiff at November 27, 2009 12:43 AM (8dy/N)

25 Ya put your left wing in, ya put your left wing out, ya put your left wing in and ya shake it all about......

Posted by: Howard "HokiePokie" Dean at November 27, 2009 12:43 AM (FsB36)

26 I've never heard of 'em either. But it's not because I'm biased. I'm just really, really dumb.

Posted by: Shepard Smith at November 27, 2009 12:43 AM (oyo/v)

27 It'd be nice if the Dems hadn't mostly become flaming communists about 35 years ago...

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30 It'd be nice if the Dems hadn't mostly become flaming communists about 35 years ago...

Yeah, that would be nice, It would also be great if they hadn't pulled the GOP left with them.

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32 In other news, Howard Dean is going to be found tomorrow morning having committed suicide by shooting himself twice in the back of the head.

Posted by: Def Leppard at November 27, 2009 12:46 AM (hIOnV)

33 How can he call himself a black man and oppose socialized medicine?

Posted by: Jesse Jackson at November 27, 2009 12:46 AM (kKP5O)

34 If PelosiCare passes I might have to go see myself when I get sick.

Posted by: Screamin' Howard Dean at November 27, 2009 12:47 AM (FsB36)

Stand back, all. Eeeeeasy. Staaaand back. Let the man commit suicide in peace.

Posted by: arhooley at November 27, 2009 12:48 AM (GKXA7)

36 It's a trap!

Posted by: Rodent Liberation Front at November 27, 2009 12:49 AM (dQdrY)

37 What is Dean's current job?

Posted by: Rodent Liberation Front at November 27, 2009 12:51 AM (dQdrY)

38 If Howard Dean thinks it's a bad bill, I'm starting to have second thoughts.

Posted by: Dr. Spank at November 27, 2009 12:52 AM (GGgoa)

39 Hello, Room Service? This is Dr. Dean in 407. Could you please send up 4000 aspirins and a bottle of vodka?

Thanks. Oh, and pass the word to front desk to skip my wake up call.

Posted by: eman at November 27, 2009 12:52 AM (R484t)

40 Don't fall for this crap.He figures $300 mil for LA, maybe they'll give him something to change his mind about the bill.

Posted by: Bill in Baltimore at November 27, 2009 12:53 AM (lW1I3)

@18 - You may be onto something, it will be Howard Dean's fault if the Dems lose next year, so he's starting damage control now. If this awful excuse for health care reform passes and the Dems lose, he has his "I told you so" all ready to go.

He will still be out of a job, but he can go to work as a cable news Democrat analyst on those endless talking head panels, what with having predicted the health care disaster and all.

Posted by: Boots at November 27, 2009 12:54 AM (06JTY)

Woops, two totally different suicide jokes. (Hiya def leppard.)

Posted by: arhooley at November 27, 2009 12:55 AM (GKXA7)

43 "This is a bailout that makes AIG look cheap."

-- Howie

I love this guy.

Posted by: progressoverpeace at November 27, 2009 12:56 AM (A46hP)

44 Wasn't this posted at the ghost site earlier?

Posted by: Dr. Spank at November 27, 2009 12:56 AM (GGgoa)

45 Here's the thing: They're going to lose. The so-called blue dogs and their scam has been uncovered.

So there's two choices: Significant losses but maybe hold the House. This happens if Obamacare doesn't pass.

If Obamacare passes, with the taxes hitting before the benefits, epic failure. There's even a possibility of losing the Senate, or at least making Biden relevant.

I think Dean is badly afraid that they will be so desperate, they'll pass anything, which will anger Americans so much they'll elect Republicans in massive numbers and this thing might get repealed.

And in the process (gasp!) maybe tort reform.

Posted by: AmishDude at November 27, 2009 12:56 AM (ItSLQ)

Tim Kaine, the 70th Governor of the Commonwealth of Virginia, was elected DNC Chair on January 21, 2009

Why would it be Dean's fault if Dems tank next year?

Posted by: Rodent Liberation Front at November 27, 2009 12:57 AM (dQdrY)

47 Tim Kaine

That name raises some eyebrows.

Posted by: Charles Gibson at November 27, 2009 12:58 AM (ItSLQ)

48 Tim Kaine is a story for the cables.

Posted by: Charles Gibson at November 27, 2009 01:01 AM (WiHfw)

49 Just for the record, superb medical care here in Singapore is about half the cost of back home (and I'm from Texas). The difference? Lawyers are rarely seen.

Posted by: Moron in Exile at November 27, 2009 01:03 AM (FsB36)

50 Posted by: AmishDude at November 27, 2009 12:56 AM

Elder Gingerich told us you were messing with the English heathens online. I suppose now we're going to find out you've been driving a car on the sly...

Posted by: Elder Yoder at November 27, 2009 01:04 AM (WiHfw)

51 Charles Gibson is cloning like a sumbitch on this thread.

Posted by: Moron in Exile at November 27, 2009 01:04 AM (FsB36)

52 Do lawyers get caned if they bring a frivilous suit in Singapore?

Posted by: mcassill at November 27, 2009 01:05 AM (WiHfw)

53 Yo Charlie. I'm really happy for you, I'ma letchu finish but "led my a man of African descent" is one of the greatest memes of all time!

Posted by: Kanye at November 27, 2009 01:08 AM (DtTM9)

54 LOOK AT ME!!!

Posted by: Howard Dean: Attention Whore at November 27, 2009 01:08 AM (gSxol)

55 Just for the record, superb medical care here in Singapore is about half the cost of back home (and I'm from Texas).

Posted by: Moron in Exile at November 27, 2009 01:03 AM (FsB36)

That's, in good part, because the US pays for most of the medical advancement for the world. Everyone else gets it on the cheap.

Government health care has no law suits, either. You're not going to be suing the government. Not the Feds. The lawyers, here, are only with the health scare monstrosity because they are allowed to help kill the private companies and feed off of their carcasses. After that, though, it's all over for the lawyers and health care.

Posted by: progressoverpeace at November 27, 2009 01:10 AM (A46hP)

mcassill, I have never seen a law office here, met a lawyer or read about a malpractice suit. They have to exist I guess for contract law and such but in negotiations with the shipyards and major manufaturers I have never had a lawyer make an appearance. Nobody has ever said they have to run it past the lawyers, I think they are just rarely. However the criminal class is routinely caned so maybe you're on to something.

Posted by: Moron in Exile at November 27, 2009 01:11 AM (FsB36)

57 the u g g s above are a ripoff

Posted by: Jason sucks at November 27, 2009 01:11 AM (gSxol)

58 Communists say the darnedest things.

I hope Fox News and conservative talk radio play that clip over and over and over again starting Monday, when maybe some people are actually paying attention.

Posted by: RJ at November 27, 2009 01:11 AM (ADbI4)

progress,

No argument with your first paragraph. I've lived in six countries and when anyone gets really sick they head for the States if they have the money.

Posted by: Moron in Exile at November 27, 2009 01:14 AM (FsB36)

60 "I wish more Democrats were like him."

Most Democrats ARE like him, ideologically, at least on the national stage. (There are a lot of conservative and TRUE moderate Democrats in local and state politics, at least in flyover country.)

But Dean has a way of putting his foot in his mouth by speaking the truth (at least as he sees it) without using the usual PC Democrat BS poll-tested, focus-grouped filters. For that I appreciate him.

Posted by: RJ at November 27, 2009 01:15 AM (ADbI4)

61 However the criminal class is routinely caned so maybe you're on to something.

I remember well the young American idiot over there some years ago who vandalized some cars and got caned for it. Thought that was something we should start doing here. As for most lawyers, well, Shakespeare had the right idea.

Posted by: mcassill at November 27, 2009 01:18 AM (WiHfw)

62 Shepard Smith always struck me as sort of ignorant when it comes to "hard" news. And O'Reilly seems to be a little bit clueless from time to time, at least when it comes to the "deeper" ideological stuff, and the more detailed side-stories that come out of major stories and get dissected on blogs.

Olbermann, on the other hand, may very well have an extra chromosome. So, Fox News still comes out looking pretty fucking good.

Posted by: RJ at November 27, 2009 01:19 AM (ADbI4)

63 No, the people I've met who really do have an extra chromosome are actually nice human beings.

Posted by: mcassill at November 27, 2009 01:21 AM (WiHfw)

64 27:

37 years to be exact. When they nominated a Soviet stooge in 1972.

Posted by: RJ at November 27, 2009 01:21 AM (ADbI4)

65 Tim Kaine has been doing an excellent job so far, especially in the state he knows best, Virginia. Fine job.

Posted by: Virginia GOP at November 27, 2009 01:22 AM (97VME)

progress,

I hit the post button too soon. I wanted to say that the reality of malpractice suits in the US drives mulitple and sometimes unnecessary tests to cover your ass and build a file in case you end up being sued. Between those costs and the losses treating Medicare/Medicaid a lot of practicing physicians are thinking seriously about quiting. Tort reform has to be a prime component in real health care cost "reform". But that ain't what we're gonna get is it?

Posted by: Moron in Exile at November 27, 2009 01:22 AM (FsB36)

67 I've lived in six countries and when anyone gets really sick they head for the States if they have the money.

Posted by: Moron in Exile at November 27, 2009 01:14 AM (FsB36)

The Dems are trying to put a stop to that. Although, it will still be worthwhile to come here for medical care just to get the chance to sue the doctor (kind of like a lottery) until the private sector gets ground into dust ...

Posted by: progressoverpeace at November 27, 2009 01:22 AM (A46hP)

68 Think Keith would take a Y for one of his X's?

Posted by: Rachel Maddow at November 27, 2009 01:23 AM (DtTM9)

69 As for most lawyers, well, Shakespeare had the right idea.

Hey, Yoder, check this out:

But He said, "Woe to you lawyers as well! For you weigh men down with burdens hard to bear, while you yourselves will not even touch the burdens with one of your fingers." (Luke 11:46)

Posted by: AmishDude at November 27, 2009 01:26 AM (ItSLQ)

mcassill,

Corporal punishment works. Pain reinforces the memory. Public humiliation works too.

Posted by: Moron in Exile at November 27, 2009 01:27 AM (FsB36)

71 Corporal punishment works. Pain reinforces the memory. Public humiliation works too.

You got that right. I was in the public schools back when that was still allowed; taking away the paddles was one of the worst things to happen to them. Now we have a whole generation of young twits with no respect for anything.

Posted by: mcassill at November 27, 2009 01:32 AM (WiHfw)

AmishDude,

My corporate lawyer once told me: "Dave, my job is to protect you from people like me."

Posted by: Moron in Exile at November 27, 2009 01:32 AM (FsB36)

73 Swift punishment is also hella cheaper than jails. We've lost our way.

Posted by: Rodent Liberation Front at November 27, 2009 01:33 AM (dQdrY)

74 66 - Yep. Defensive medicine is a major driver of increasing health care costs, and it could be mitigated greatly with some serious tort reform. But of course the scum who control both houses of the Congress don't want serious tort reform, because the sleazy trial lawyers give them millions of dollars every election cycle.

And that, ladies and gentlemen, is the state of American "democracy" in 2009.

Posted by: RJ at November 27, 2009 01:34 AM (ADbI4)

75 69 that is my new favorite verse.

Posted by: Elder Yoder at November 27, 2009 01:34 AM (WiHfw)

76 68:

I lol'd.

Posted by: RJ at November 27, 2009 01:35 AM (ADbI4)

77 Tort reform has to be a prime component in real health care cost "reform".

I agree.

But that ain't what we're gonna get is it?

Posted by: Moron in Exile at November 27, 2009 01:22 AM (FsB36)

We're getting the opposite, if that counts for anything ...

Posted by: progressoverpeace at November 27, 2009 01:35 AM (A46hP)

78 RJ, the scum who control both houses of Congress ARE sleazy trial lawyers.

Posted by: mcassill at November 27, 2009 01:36 AM (WiHfw)

79 70:

Agreed. But usually it only works if it occurs VERY quickly after the offense.

One of the main reasons why the deterrent effect of capital punishment is so weak in our criminal justice system is because everyone knows that even if you are convicted of a capital crime (very difficult to do) and all of your appeals fail, you still won't be put to death (in a VERY humane manner) for about 15 or 20 years.

Posted by: RJ at November 27, 2009 01:37 AM (ADbI4)

80 71:

I kinda sorta agree. But, given the state of our public education system, and considering who is likely to become a public school teacher these days, would you really want those people to be given the freedom to put their hands on your child?

It's like cops back in the 1940s. The would take a juvenile delinquent into an alley and smack him around a bit to teach him a lesson. No paperwork, no arrest, no criminal record, but a lesson learned. But that simply would not work anymore, in today's society.

Posted by: RJ at November 27, 2009 01:40 AM (ADbI4)

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Posted by: In Exile at November 27, 2009 01:41 AM (4YL/l)

82 78:

Yeah, pretty much. Trial lawyers send millions of dollars to fund the campaigns of other trial lawyers who get elected to make laws that benefit trial lawyers.

We are so fucked.

Posted by: RJ at November 27, 2009 01:43 AM (ADbI4)

RJ,

Even in the '50's and '60's the choice was often between prison and the Marines for relatively minor shit. Now going to prison increases your street cred.

Posted by: Moron in Exile at November 27, 2009 01:43 AM (FsB36)

84 83:

That's true. A relative of mine faced that choice about 50 years ago. He chose the Marines and then went on to become a law-abiding productive citizen.

Today, in certain sub-cultures, having a lengthy criminal record is a lot "cooler" than serving in the military and working a legit 9-5 job.

We are doomed.

Posted by: RJ at November 27, 2009 01:48 AM (ADbI4)

85 Do lawyers get caned if they bring a frivolous suit in Singapore?

IMO, a day in the stocks in front of the courthouse for having a case dismissed as frivolous would be suitable punishment.

Posted by: Purple Avenger at November 27, 2009 01:50 AM (XVy8K)

My corporate lawyer once told me: "Dave, my job is to protect you from people like me."

Posted by: Moron in Exile at November 27, 2009 01:32 AM (FsB36)

And they get so mad when I say that their profession is nothing but a protection racket. Seriously, that's what "everybody hates lawyers until they need one" means.

Posted by: AmishDude at November 27, 2009 01:52 AM (ItSLQ)

87 IMO, a day in the stocks in front of the courthouse for having a case dismissed as frivolous would be suitable punishment.

Posted by: Purple Avenger at November 27, 2009 01:50 AM (XVy8K)

They should lose a finger each time. But judges are all lawyers, too. Never happen.

Posted by: Rodent Liberation Front at November 27, 2009 01:54 AM (dQdrY)

88 PA, the stocks would be an excellent idea. Congressman Ted Poe used to be a Houston judge and he was famous for making people stand all day long on a street corner with a sandwich board announcing shat they did. I've seen a few of them and enjoyed taunting the subject.

Posted by: Moron in Exile at November 27, 2009 01:55 AM (FsB36)

89 90% of the law schools in the country should be closed. I wouldn't mind seeing the death penalty for having a case dismissed as frivolous as well.

Posted by: gau at November 27, 2009 02:01 AM (n1uMU)

90 Ace: "Kill ObamaCare, the 'Republicans are Right'"

If you're going to quote Stuff Jefferson Didn't Say, 3rd Ed., Ace, at least get the quote right. The actual quote was, "Republicans are Nazis, Yeaaarrgh!"

Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at November 27, 2009 02:19 AM (5zA/v)

91

Howard Dean is no joke- nobody messes with Dean.

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92 How come Dean always looks like he just smelled a fart?

Posted by: Rodent Liberation Front at November 27, 2009 02:36 AM (dQdrY)

93 How come Dean always looks like he just smelled a fart?

Commies reek of sulphur.

Posted by: Purple Avenger at November 27, 2009 02:47 AM (qBPZP)

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-- Howard Dean

This has got to be the greatest single paragraph ever uttered about the health scare monstrosity. He gets all the right things wrong and the wrong things right to make it devastating. It is contra-genius. He calls it, a trillion dollar bailout (wrongly of the insurance industry, but that doesn't really matter) worse than AIG ... and then says that it's all cool, anyway ("to stick the tax payers with yet another bailout") if the public option is included. This guy is great!

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Posted by: Dr. Dean at November 27, 2009 03:46 AM (gSxol)

98

It's time to stop calling them Democrats and refer to them properly: communists.

Posted by: Tinian at November 27, 2009 03:59 AM (7+pP9)

99 It's time to stop calling them Democrats and refer to them properly: communists.

I agree that the Democrat party is full right to the top with communists. But I think 'Democrat' is appropriate as the label on all of the centralized, freedom destroying theft and corruption that we are experiencing. They are the ones setting up the machine and they should be the ones held responsible.

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100 I want "Democrat" to the a universally recognized political slur, meaning 'incompetent, lying thug.' Simply calling them communists(however warranted) kinda lets the Democrat Party off of the hook. We aren't dealing with a few bad apples here, we are dealing with an entire political party taken over by radicals. They should be held responsible for that.

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102 Howard Dean-Witter?

A hearty Go Fuck Your Self, Sir.

Posted by: Pecos Bill at November 27, 2009 05:12 AM (8WOM0)

103 A hearty Go Fuck Your Self, Sir.

Hey, I don't take that shit offa nobody!

Except, well, you know who.

Posted by: screamin' Howard Dean at November 27, 2009 05:43 AM (SwkdU)

104

Shit, I wish I had closed my bold tag.

Posted by: screamin' Howard Dean at November 27, 2009 05:44 AM (SwkdU)

105 Hey!

That's my messuginah hubby you're making fun of!

Posted by: Dr. Judy Steinberg at November 27, 2009 05:54 AM (8WOM0)

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Posted by: Jean at November 27, 2009 05:58 AM (xCBQ4)

107 2004. So far away it's history.

"The New York Times is reporting that back in the '60s, presidential candidate Howard Dean used a letter from a doctor about a back condition to keep himself out of the draft in Vietnam and then spent 10 months skiing. Well it sounds like he's done the impossible. He actually made Bill Clinton and George Bush look like war heroes." �Jay Leno

"Presidential Democratic front-runner Howard Dean admitted to Chris Matthews on the 'Hardball' show that he got out of the draft because of a bad back. He had a curvature of the spine. Apparently it curved too far to the left." �Jay Leno

"In a recent interview, Howard Dean admitted that he used to drink and smoke pot. So, now all he needs to put him over the top is a sex scandal." �David Letterman

"In his new book, 'Winning Back America,' Dean talks about his wealthy prep school and how he used to get drunk. Let me get this straight � he had rich parents, drank a lot, went to prep school and avoided Vietnam. He's the alternative to George Bush? I think he is George Bush." �Jay Leno

"Howard Dean is a politician, a medical doctor and a Democrat. So he has three reasons to tell women to take off their clothes now." �Jay Leno

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108 That's my messuginah hubby you're making fun of!

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111 This thread is very strange.

Posted by: Tom in Korea at November 27, 2009 07:07 AM (nS7nk)

112 106 / Jean: ...Great Idea, and let's apply it to more issues than medical - how many pages is the Federal Code now? And then comes the regulations...

Posted by: Huckleberry at November 27, 2009 07:26 AM (F71c5)

113 This thread is very strange.

Standing headline

Posted by: fluffy at November 27, 2009 07:26 AM (SwkdU)

114 regarding HD's take on health scare

if we think it's good and vermont says its bad, its good
if we think it's good and vermont says its good, its bad
if we think it's bad and vermont says its good, its bad
if we think it's bad and vermont says its bad, its bad

got it.

Posted by: sTevo at November 27, 2009 07:51 AM (eA3tl)

115 51 Charles Gibson is cloning like a sumbitch on this thread.

Posted by: Moron in Exile

----------------------------

See, proof that evolution is working. Take that, creationist retards!

Posted by: Charles Johnson: Ponytailed Sooper-Jenius at November 27, 2009 08:09 AM (8n1j5)

116 So HD says 60B is being diverted to the insurance companies and he is against the bill because it isn't communist enough, only fascist.

While over at my MIL's house yesterday we speculated as to the reason why this bill was costing so much when it only insures a small portion of the so-called current uninsured.

My take was that there had to be a lot of payoffs to Obama cronies like ACORN and SEIU but that I had not bothered to download it and read it this time.

Well, if HD is correct we see where 60 billion of it is going and we see why all those CEOs of insurance companies have come out "for" the bill (see Fox News).

My question is this "why in the hell are these people not being prosecuted for bribery?". 100 years ago people would have been breaking out tar and feathers for politicians who did this kind of shit.

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My biggest problem will be not getting too drunk at the hunt club tonight, wake up is 4:30 AM.

Our pet mallards have eaten their fill and are prepared to sacrifice themselves for us. They eagerly await their impeding death to see the 72 virgin hens in heaven.

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No longer than ten minutes though.

(And Dean was much better in charge of the DNC than was Awful McAuliffe.)

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