1 Oh, this is just delicious.  Seriously.  I need popcorn.

2

first?

 

3 Ha! In your face, BIG ROB!

4 I suspect Japan and Australia will unravel next.

5

Damn it! So close......................

 

LOL

6 Medium taupe ? That was unnecessarily ghey .

7 "The results they reported bear little resemblance to Dr. Salinger's:"

More precisely, from about 1950 on it looks to be about the same graph. It's just  heavily revised downwards before that, which creates the entire effect.

8 Wouldn't you love to be presenting a paper at Copenhagen - with all of you baseline data and references being yanked out from under you as you pack.

9 Copenhopen?  Never heard of it.

10 This is why the CRU/EAU refuses to comply with FOI requests, and instead would rather destroy the data. 

11 My sincere congrats Admiral. It's comforting to know there are other loonies out there the night before Thanksgiving focusing on the latest postings from the number 1 site in the whole wide world. Now, where's the Vodka?

12 I just posted this at the last AGW thread, and now realize it was dead, so I repost here, so it can be spat on like true science:

Here is my slightly drunk, middle of the night hypothesis, complete with some big science words:

1  CO2 levels are rising
2.  Some tree rings patterns are showing growth patterns with which dendrochronology traditionally associates with increases in temperature or extended growing season.
3.  Temperatures are not rising
4.  Is it possible that the tree ring growth patterns are directly effected by the rise in CO2 as it is essentially "tree food"
5.  If the tree ring proxy data is removed due to potential multicollinearity do the BE-10 ice cores show the same divergence with respect to today's more accurate measurement techniques?
6.  If the answer to #5 is no, did the sun short Soros?

13 The Gondorian Climatalogical Institute denied subterfuge, claiming "The temperatures were adjusted to take into account the cooling caused by the recent eruption of Mt. Doom."

14 See? See??!!? The Kiwis predicted global warming disaster too!!!1!1! Now we really don't have to show anyone our data, 'cause you, like, wanna say it's lame, 'n' stuff. 'Cause we win and the government and like Matt Lauer thinks were awesome and you can't see our computer code.

Yes, of course it's FORTRAN. What? What the hell is C++? Your grades in school?

Nyah nyah, we win 'cause Al Gore got a Nobel Ribbon Cup. Or something.

15 Wait until I meet him.  He is gonna see what a real hockey stick feels like!  I may get 5 min, but it will be worth it!

16 I recall a story about how the Kiwis were vastly disappointed that they did not reap a windfall (as had been promised by their pols) from the Kyoto carbon trading scheme.

17 Is it time to call for censure on the President before he signs us up for some BS in Copenhagen?

18 Posted by: Jean at November 26, 2009 12:17 AM (xCBQ4)

I approve of slightly drunk , middle of the night hypothesis, complete with some big science word .

Carry on .

19 .... without open tags .

20 How about a super duper class action lawsuit naming as defendants Gore and his puppets / liars for the money spent needlessly to "save the world". Somebody has to pay. Bunch of Bogus, Lying, Fearmongering Pricks.

21

Why would anybody "adjust" temperature data?  It could be adjusted if the researcher had a calculation that told him that radiant heat was affecting the  air temperature readings.  However, that would take another data set in order to recalculate the temperature.  Because a scientist today would not know if the themometer 100 years ago was shielded from radiant heat, there would be no justification to change the reading.  Instead of trying to adjust the value from an unshielded thermometer, it should be tossed.  And another thing, the temperature recorded form an unshielded thermometer, thermister, or anything that measures temperature would be adjused DOWNWARD, DAMMIT!!!!

 All this sounds like a scam.

22 I hope everyone realizes that this will just make them push even harder at Copenhagen for binding, suicidal treaties - which our America-hating Precedent and lunatic Congress will consider us bound by (ratification or not). The left reacts to their lies being unmasked by doubling down and screaming more loudly.

Don't forget, all the while as this was unfolding The Precedent was yapping about global warming with India. These people have no scruples, no brains, and are totally impervious to logic. Only jail will stop them.

23 While this is good news, it still pains me to see that our own media is still acting like Charlie Gibson and missing the biggest story of the century.  I'm willing to throw Haliburton under the bus and tie them to the Global Warming Fraud if it will finally get the MSM to cover this like Chris Hansen on To Catch a Predator.  This story is like Nixon, Enron, Worldcom, Tyco and Madoff all mixed together.  Only thing missing is some sex scandal although I'm sure there is some of that too.

24 How about a super duper class action lawsuit naming as defendants Gore and his puppets / liars for the money spent needlessly to "save the world". Somebody has to pay. Bunch of Bogus, Lying, Fearmongering Pricks.

I have a strong feeling the court would argue you don't have standing.

But what is teh next step? There have been dribs and drabs coming out for years that AGW was, at best, not really strongly supported by the actual evidence. Now we see that the the supposed consensus of a multitude of scientists was in fact a handful of ideologues working together massaging the data and trying to censor their opponents.

Is this getting out to the public? Do they realize the scope of what we now know? Are they finally willing to throw out politicians that promise to save them from AGW by taxing someone else into the poorhouse?

25 Only thing missing is some sex scandal although I'm sure there is some of that too.

I'm kinda ashamed of this , but Jones gave me a handy for $5 in 2003 .

26 Obama will be more of a joke if he goes along with this climate change BS.  He preaches that his administration will follow science and push science in education but if he ignores this growing scandal, people will know he is nothing more than a scam artist (48% of us knew that already).  I like how a reporter in the UK was given this stuff weeks ago and just sat on it.  Looks like there are others out there like Breitbart that are challenging the media to do their f'in job.

27 25 Only thing missing is some sex scandal although I'm sure there is some of that too.

I'm kinda ashamed of this , but Jones gave me a handy for $5 in 2003 .

Posted by: Bill D. Cat at November 26, 2009 12:36 AM (vKdhq)

Oh, I'm sure you had to listen to a 5 min carbon handjob lecture first!

28 This story is like Nixon, Enron, Worldcom, Tyco and Madoff all mixed together.  Only thing missing is some sex scandal although I'm sure there is some of that too.

Posted by: CDR M at November 26, 2009 12:32 AM (cvmTR)

Actually, Enron was the first important proponent of Cap n' Tax. Odd how that doesn't get much mention.

29 Only thing missing is some sex scandal although I'm sure there is some of that too.

I'm sure the State Media would cover that in as much detail as they did the ACORN videos...

30 All this just proves that the CIA is behind the polar bear decline and we need to make this "hacking" stuff a capital offense.

31 Oh, I'm sure you had to listen to a 5 min carbon handjob lecture first!

He was very much against blow jobs ... I couldn't figure it out .

32 He was very much against blow jobs ... I couldn't figure it out .

Posted by: Bill D. Cat at November 26, 2009 12:40 AM (vKdhq)

Must've been concern over the CO2 generation during said act.  Now that you mention it, is this dude the guy behind that strange new workout device for women that strangely simulates a hand job?

33

It used to be hotter. 

Greenland Borehole Temperatures 0 to 2000 AD

Dahl-Jensen, D. et al.

1998: Past temperature directly from the Greenland Ice Sheet, Science, 282, 268-271.

 http:// tinyurl.com/yzc5yg7

 

 

 

Corresponding graph from 8000 BC to present: 

Greenland Borehole Temperatures

Dahl-Jensen, D. et al.

1998: Past temperature directly from the Greenland Ice Sheet, Science, 282, 268-271.

 http:// tinyurl.com/yzc5yg7

34 I have a strong feeling the court would argue you don't have standing.

Well, who does these days?

I suppose, as a mathematician, I could argue that their excessive NSF funding for fraud prevented funding for other scientists, including myself.

As to the future, I trust the greed of other scientists to overcome their leftward tendencies.  They'll know it's a fraud even if the general public doesn't.

35 New Science: "If they cannot be dazzled with briliance, baffle them with bullshit."

36 And yet, every official AGW agenda item continues apace, as if nothing has happened in the last week.

37 O/T:  While poor Vikram Pandit sat in his Washington DC hotel room waiting for the call that never came, these guys took matters into their own hands:  "It’s one of the most secure places on earth, but two Washington area socialites and reality TV wannabes were apparently able to get behind the gates at the White House and mingle with the crowd at the State Dinner in honor of India last night."

38 26 Obama will be more of a joke if he goes along with this climate change BS. He preaches that his administration will follow science and push science in education but if he ignores this growing scandal, people will know he is nothing more than a scam artist (48% of us knew that already).

Posted by: CDR M at November 26, 2009 12:36 AM (cvmTR)

Sadly, anyone who doesn't think that The Precedent is a near retard, yet, will not be convinced. The Indonesian imbecile has been spewing stupidity for the entirety of pathetic tenure. I mean, how can a guy something so stupid as "profit and earnings ratios" and then lecture us on economics and finance? His administration's insane unemployment predictions were savaged by reality within a month, after having forced, sight unseen, a waste of $800 billion on our nation, but that hasn't stopped him, and his lunatic useful idiots, from pushing health scare on us - both un-Constitutional and costing in the trillions. Look at how he managed to push that ridiculous adjective-denying Sotomayor onto the SCOTUS.

The left knows that they can do whatever they want and no one is going to stop them. They are suicide bombers who are going out in a blaze of homicidal stupidity. Unfortunately, our population is weak enough to let it happen, as we have seen in the election and the year full of mind-numbing stupidity that ensued.

While it is great to see this fraud exposed, I am afraid that it will come to naught. Our own SCOTUS ruled on CO2 being 'pollution' (which the left has been running with ever since) and there seems no way to stop these people - short of secession and leaving them in the dust to feed on themselves.

39

Cut and paste the above Tiny URLs. Apparently I made an error in the formats.

It's well worth a look. Amazing graphs.

40 Must've been concern over the CO2 generation during said act.

That's what bothered me .... suck , don't blow . Science is easy .

Now that you mention it, is this dude the guy behind that strange new workout device for women that strangely simulates a hand job?>
>
Ain't touching that one .

42 Yet another charles "no bicycle seat" johnson bitch fest.   http://tinyurl.com/yg9asgc    I already told you guys about leftist college students hating the military and Glen Beck talks about this stuff.  So CJ pulls his panties up his butt crack and bitches about it.  All one has to do is talk to his honest class mates and see the truth.  Those guys hated us.  The crew cuts and all.  When we were out in the field freezing on a week-end they were back in the dorms smoking bongs!

43 41 Bill D  What about Merlot?  Me?  I am thinking the good stuff.  I am outta Guinness, but here is a glass of Jamesons.

44

The New Zealand scientists responded, blocking further inquiries with such arrogance that their case is totally destroyed, while providing justification for only a couple of adjustments.  One of those justifications was a decrease of 0.8C for measurements taken at a station that they claim was moved from 10 feet to 400 feet above sea-level.  Bzzztt....  That would be the correction for standard atmosphere temperature change with altitude if you were flying a Cessna.  They do not pass go and they do not collect $200.

If you move a station from the sea shore to somewhere inland where the altitude is 400 feet you've changed it from measuring Pacific moderated temperatures to measurinig temperatures somewhere inland.  Anyone in LA can tell you the daily difference between temperatures near the water and temperatures 5 miles inland, and can show you the air-conditioning bills, too.

LA is flat as a pancake.  It's not a 1.5F (0.8C) adjustment, it's more like 10.  So the later data is, oh, as much as +10F compared the earlier data, (depending on if the station moved from the seashore to the Sahara) but they only applied a 1.5F correction, gaining them 8.5 degrees of warming without mother nature playing any role in it at all.

These pseudo-scientists are in for a serious attitude adjustment.

 

45 I think it's a shiraz , I can't read the box .

46 I've occasionally played bridge with Mr. Salinger at a club here in Auckland.
Gormless is the word, I believe. Subjective, but that's what I think when I see people chew gum with their mouths open.
Once the lady he was playing with made a contract-losing mistake, and he announces to the room that 'we're going to get a lesson here'.
Classy, dude.

47 More precisely, from about 1950 on it looks to be about the same graph. It's just  heavily revised downwards before that, which creates the entire effect.

It's earlier than that.  You can see the similar "maximum" around 1880, but shifted in whole downward.

I'm going to presume that somethings hokey about Salinger's work.  To see that much similarity between the graphs reveals a very sophisticated manipulation of the raw data.

Hopefully Salinger's explanation will be something other than:

• You're too dumb to understand

• Shut up

• The science is settled

48 Why would anybody "adjust" temperature data?

Lots of reasons.  Normalizing a data set to a uniform TOD, and/or correct for heat island effects and relocated sample stations leap to mind.  Stations move all the time and people sometimes change the TOD they make their measurements at.

That doesn't mean the "corrected" values necessarily reflect reality though.  They are statistical guesses, and might actually be quite different than what really happened on any specific day at any specific recording station.  It might have been clear in the morning then cloudy all day and the temps didn't rise as much as the "correction" would make it do for a mid day measurement versus early morning.

49 • The science is settled

Every time I hear or see that line , I get this uncontrollable urge to smack a hippie .

50

The author of the graph, one Dr. Salinger, created the his version of the infamous "Hockey Stick" in the 80's while he worked at none other than the CRU at University of East Anglia.

Dude, that is nothing.  I learned how to play hockey at the CRU.  So did Wayne Gretzky.  Granted, he was a little better than me, but they teach the best hocky at East Anglia CRU in the fooking world, and I challenge anyone who would dispute that.

51

hellz bellz.  something happened with an italics  tag

52

Am I the only one that was shocked (shocked I tell you) that the raw data had never been released?

I always assumed that part was a 'gimmie' and we were down to interpreting data sets, not that the entire raw data was, as Ace put it, the Coke formula.

Did anyone else know that?

53 Am I the only one that was shocked (shocked I tell you) that the raw data had never been released?

Posted by: Jim in San Diego at November 26, 2009 01:37 AM (H7Rlw)

This has been public for a while. Hansen was particularly weird about his data and "methods". WND did a series a year or two ago about the sad state of the physical measurement facilities, with a picture of a few on ashpalt in the sun, next to exhaust, ...

That's why none of this was ever science to anyone but non-scientists. Sure, there were always a few smart people who bought this, like Chu, but they are generally emotional basketcases who just want to hang with the cool kids so much that they'd eat their own arms off for it. A pathetic bunch, they are.

If it were up to me, given the raw scope of this fraud and the blemish on real science that they caused, I would have a brazen bull for each one of these worms, and all of the politicos who supported them. Every last one.

54 To note to Little Green Turds:  That Republican VP has a son in the US Army as an Infantry Soldier.  That is a guy who fights for our country AGAINST terrorists, not a son who got into politics WITH one.  IE:  Barak Hussein Osama Obama

Fox News, with Beck and the ones you  hate, should move out of NYC before the next strike you ignore is coming.

55

That's why none of this was ever science to anyone but non-scientists. Sure, there were always a few smart people who bought this, like Chu, but they are generally emotional basketcases who just want to hang with the cool kids so much that they'd eat their own arms off for it. A pathetic bunch, they are.

If it were up to me, given the raw scope of this fraud and the blemish on real science that they caused, I would have a brazen bull for each one of these worms, and all of the politicos who supported them. Every last one.

Posted by: progressoverpeace at November 26, 2009 01:43 AM (A46hP)

Yep! I'm absolutely pissed about this, and feel the need to end some very prominent careers. I just don't know who to fully trust with that task.

Thanks for the info.

56 Bill D Cat   They sell a pretty good t-shirt that says "I club hippies"  (that's a playing card image.  Like " I heart hippies"   Instead, I club hippies.  :-)

57 "Did anyone else know that?"

I did... think I first learned about from one of the Global Warming is a Fraud websites when I first got on the internet and checked for myself what this whole deal was about. Actually the minute I learned exactly what the Carbon Cycle was I had a clue that AGW must be a fraud.

Realized: Hey this is all about reducing human populations (we expel CO2, just by living) and controlling their lifestyles, make us all Vegans to "save ourselves" do away with animal husbandry... ect.

58 Yep! I'm absolutely pissed about this, and feel the need to end some very prominent careers. I just don't know who to fully trust with that task.

Posted by: Jim in San Diego at November 26, 2009 01:49 AM (H7Rlw)

Unfortunately, pretty much no one can be trusted. Our society is too stupid and gullible - as was the great lesson of Nov 2008. Our SCOTUS has proved itself ignorant and dangerous. Chances are that, not only will these slimebags get away with their crime, but the insane global warming legislation will continue. There are just not enough people with sense.

59 Is it time to call for censure on the President before he signs us up for some BS in Copenhagen?

Posted by: CDR M at November 26, 2009 12:24 AM (cvmTR)
-----------------
Never interfere when your enemy is committing suicide.

Let him promise the moon at Copenhagen. In fact the more he promises, the better.

60 The science is settled

Every time I hear or see that line , I get this uncontrollable urge to smack a hippie .

------------------

I get the urge to smack John McCain. Where is that cranky vagabond these days?

61 Scientists lied, economies (almost) died?

62 Sure, there were always a few smart people who bought this, like Chu--
---------------
Chu, CHU! For fuck's sake I'd forgotten all about that clown. I wonder what his next pronunciatigitation will be.

63 Okay, I see I'm talking to myself again. Might as well traipse on over to the ONT and see if I can't kill that one.

64 Happy Thanksgiving peeps!!   May you enjoy that turkey.  Unless your a creapy hippy vegetarian and only get corn.

65 I stopped believing a long time ago.  All I remember as a kid in the late 70s was that the US was going to be covered with snow in the new Ice Age.  Does anyone else remember that?  Good times.  I loved skiing and was excited that I was going to be able to ski year round.  All of a sudden, we were going to die from global warming.  WTF?  What happened to all that sweet snow?  Why the change from dying from frostbite to dying of heat stroke?  Fuckers lied so to hell with them and I became an atheist in the climate change religion.  Then to put the cherry on top, it went from global warming to climate change.  WTF?  Why the change again?  Sounded like the poor dears were not sure what was going on so they decided on a title that could be interpreted whichever way was more convenient for their cause.  Could have told them that back in the 80s when they made the first oops and changed dying from cold to dying from heat.

66 Scientific Process?  Never heard of it.

Hey, you haven't seen a gold ring lying around somewhere, have you?  First person to find my precious gets un-banned at the internets.

67 I got taught that ice age crap in 2nd grade in the '60s...  Miss Pelletier's class.  Mankind was putting out so much pollution that it was going to block out the sun, and the reduced sunlight was going to make us freeze.  That, and we were overdue for another ice age anyway, and the pollution was just hastening it.  I made the mistake of asking a college professor in 1980 what about the ice age we were supposed to have and he chewed me out for a couple minutes in front of the class, very embarrassing.  According to him, Manhattan is supposed to have been underwater for the last couple years and civilization collapsing, but I keep hearing disturbing things from the coasts so he might have been wrong.

A couple years ago I tried looking around the internet for some of those old predictions of water levels, with no luck.  It would be amusing to see some of them.

68 Did Frodo buy any carbon offsets for when he vaporized the Ring and Gollum?  I hope so, if not then that is a real tragedy, way bigger than the War of the Ring.

69 Posted by: kurtilator at November 26, 2009 03:05 AM (juh4Z)

Courtesy of Time Magazine, ANother Ice Age, June 24, 1974 (some interesting excerpts):

As they review the bizarre and unpredictable weather pattern of the past several years, a growing number of scientists are beginning to suspect that many seemingly contradictory meteorological fluctuations are actually part of a global climatic upheaval. However widely the weather varies from place to place and time to time, when meteorologists take an average of temperatures around the globe they find that the atmosphere has been growing gradually cooler for the past three decades. The trend shows no indication of reversing. Climatological Cassandras are becoming increasingly apprehensive, for the weather aberrations they are studying may be the harbinger of another ice age.

Telltale signs are everywhere —from the unexpected persistence and thickness of pack ice in the waters around Iceland to the southward migration of a warmth-loving creature like the armadillo from the Midwest.Since the 1940s the mean global temperature has dropped about 2.7° F. Although that figure is at best an estimate, it is supported by other convincing data. When Climatologist George J. Kukla of Columbia University's Lamont-Doherty Geological Observatory and his wife Helena analyzed satellite weather data for the Northern Hemisphere, they found that the area of the ice and snow cover had suddenly increased by 12% in 1971 and the increase has persisted ever since. Areas of Baffin Island in the Canadian Arctic, for example, were once totally free of any snow in summer; now they are covered year round.

[ ... ]

Sunspot Cycle. The changing weather is apparently connected with differences in the amount of energy that the earth's surface receives from the sun. Changes in the earth's tilt and distance from the sun could, for instance, significantly increase or decrease the amount of solar radiation falling on either hemisphere—thereby altering the earth's climate. Some observers have tried to connect the eleven-year sunspot cycle with climate patterns, but have so far been unable to provide a satisfactory explanation of how the cycle might be involved.

It's interesting how they noted the sun back then, but threw it away for the later "global warming".

Man, too, may be somewhat responsible for the cooling trend. The University of Wisconsin's Reid A. Bryson and other climatologists suggest that dust and other particles released into the atmosphere as a result of farming and fuel burning may be blocking more and more sunlight from reaching and heating the surface of the earth.

Lo and behold, the exact same human actions that were causing global cooling came to be the causes of global warming!!! Amazing.

Pseudo-science is really quite extraordinary. It can explain anything and everything, without changing any of the inputs.

70 Tricksy little scientistses!

71 Happy Thanksgiving to everyone on Ace! Especially to a certain someone.

72 Scientists lied, economies (almost) died?

Scientists lied, economies may still die.  These revelations aren't going to be a silver bullet, not yet.  They may eventually develop into one, but we're not there yet.

The best that can be hoped for at this point in time is some additional seeds of doubt get planted and a few more people with a little bit of juice start asking pointed questions.

It will take at minimum several years to slay this beast if its even possible at all.

73 Sheryl Crow announced today that she's going back to using an entire roll of quilted 3 ply Charmin per bathroom break. "I'm for saving the planet like everybody else, but my asshole was always bleeding from the industrial grade recycled toilet paper they made us use." 

74 It will take at minimum several years to slay this beast if its even possible at all.

Right now most people don't care because they don't see their lives affected at all by this AGW  fraud.  The larger the footprint it becomes in people's lives the closer they will look at the truth of the 'science'.

There is a line somewhere.  Will people tolerate living in forced poverty to save the planet while carbon billionaires and government regulators jet around the world, living a live that would be the envy of the Roman Emperors?  If so, this issue will be around for a long, long time.

75 Re: Need for adjusting temps with "K-factors".

I can understand adjustment of temps for changes in environmental surroundings such as "heat island" effects from concrete etc but the impact of these adjustments should be to drive the calculated temps down from the measured temps.

Instead every case that researchers have been able to come up with when they "adjust them" the resultant is always an increase.

This is what got NASA in trouble with their proxy data from satellites. They blamed it on an error in a Y2-K fix but never did explain the mechanism behind that. The person (I believe this was McEntyre as well) who discovered the problem with the calcs had to go around NASA to get the calculation methodology. They refused to release it and stonewalled to the end. But in the end they were forced to retract their (at the time) 8 out of 10 bogus claim. 

This was the second major error that was published that showed huge mistakes in their increased temps.  Note that the first was the ommision of hundreds of years worth of data from the hockey stick showing the medieval warm period. Back in my blogging days at Townhall we had a link to an individual posted who said he was one of the "peer reviewers" for the IPPC(?) and he turned in comments on the original work which were blown off. He asked that his name be removed as a reviewer and they refused.

After the second instance of this I determined at that time it was out and out fraud.  The use of the term "hoax" is to weak to describe this. A hoax is a joke you play for humor. When you create stuff like this to falsely obtain money it is FRAUD and a swindle.

Everyone pushing this crap should be prosecuted and thrown in jail.

76 The same goofie people that 'know' that there was a second shooter on the grassy knoll, that the moon landing was a hoax, that George Bush ordered up 9/11, that the CIA invented crack cocaine to enslave black people, and all of the hundreds of ludicrous claims that rely on conspiracy as the foundation - will most likely fail to see the actual conspiracy now unfolding in the AGW peeps/perps claims.

77

I will confess that the thought of Al Gore being sued penniless and having to stand in the criminal dock makes my mouth water like Pavlov's dog.

It is Thanksgiving and I should be more temperate, but he does not deserve it. 

78

Never mind this stuff,, you will have cap and tax, remember-  I won!

OsamaHusseinIslamObama 2012'

(the terrorist-Uighur-ACORN-media choice)

-It's never too early to campaign-

79 Heheheheh.

Man IS warming the Earth.

But only on paper, and only scientists are doing it, but still...

80 Missed it by this much || .......

81 Check out Surfacestations.org which has been surveying the ground based temp recording sites. Many have been corrupted by urban sprawl and heat-island effects.

82 Global Warming=Junk Science.  Al Gore=Asshole.

83 La-la-la-la-la-la-la-la-la-la--I can't hear you...la-la-la-la-la-la-la.

84
69

Someone on another blog linked to that story in response to a commenter who denied that there was a global-cooling scare in the '70s-- the commenter then claimed that the link went to a blank page (it didn't). Hysterical blindness?

I remember a documentary on a local TV station at the time called "We Will Freeze In The Dark", about the double-whammy effect of global cooling and the Energy Crisis... but I guess that never actually aired or something.

85 "...a commenter who denied that there was a global-cooling scare in the '70s..."

Yes, it was real. Also a "we're running out of resources and will all die in the next 20 years" crisis. In fact, one of my college professors (a professor of chemistry, no less!) treated the notorious book Limits to Growth as serious evidence of this. In reality the book was an early example of the folly of basing draconian public policy recommendations on dubious computer models.

86

Didn't New Zealand have some (since redecated) economically devestating new laws put in effect with regards to carbon emissions?

 

87 I am curious how the surface temperature of the Moon correlates to the Earth temps since the 70's.

88 Climate Depot has a collection of New Ice Age stories from the 70s. You have find it yourself since I'm posting from my new Droid and its too hard too figure out how to do links.

89 Al Gore is correct - anthropogenic global warming is man-made.

90 Al Gore is correct - anthropogenic global warming is man-made.

Thanks for clarifying. I'll just leave my refrigerator door open until things balance out

91 Why don't we just make really big refrigerators and leave their doors open?  That might cause a new ice age, so we would have to be careful.

92

ManBearPig.

Throwing rocks at the moon.

I laugh and laugh.

Mockingly.

93 We could've helped these AGW guys if they'd just asked.

94 The "coming ice age" was the "settled science" of the 1970's.  I took a course in glacial geology as part of my undergraduate degree, and I remember all of the articles about this,  many supported with statistics which seemed (to a student who was not yet cynical) valid.

Then I went into the workforce, got married,  had children, and didn't keep up with professional publications.  Some time after 1979 the ice age morphed into the earth will burn up.  I was puzzled about what new numbers had caused this revised cllimate prediction, but I didn't really investigate.  I always thought it was bogus because I had seen the earlier numbers.

I am also puzzled about why the tree rings were considered evidence of temperature.  When I was in school,  thicker tree rings were a sign of more moisture, not temperature.  Trees, like all plants, vary in their response to temperature.  For example,  my roses grow larger and better in cooler summers, rather than hot ones.  As I said,  I haven't kept up with the publications so perhaps there was a reason for the correlation of the tree rings with the temperatures,  but when Rush was discussing yesterday about how the rings of current trees don't correlate with temperature, I remembered that it never had been taken as a temperature indicator in the past.

95 Let me be clear, these lies about bogus science are a distraction, gined up by the raciest-cracker-a$$-crackers of the GOP,, it is obviously Bush's fault! OsamaHusseinIslamObama 2012' (the terrorist-Uighur-ACORN-media choice) -It's never too early to campaign-

96

I've constructed the actual source code used for the temperature projections and used it to formulate a forecast for traffic patterns at 'AOSHQ'. Currently, the forecast is for 845,226,751.8 unique visitors per day by the end of 2012.

'Tiny soccer balls with a missing bicycle seat' has been on the decline, and should see a further decline from the current 1,287 unique visitors per day to 83.6 by the end of 2012.

Naturally, this is all based on science, and to deny it means you are a creationist and unworthy of a response. Our source code, of course, is covered under intellectual property laws.

97

72 / Purple Avenger:

I agree that this will probably not kill the beast. Perhaps it will firmly establish that belief in AGW is a religious faith not science.

95 / Miss Marple:

Yes, I remember that wrt tree rings: thicker means just a better growing year in general (moisture and sunlight regularly through the season in addition to a longer growing season)

One of the most damning recent exposures against the AGW Cabal is that they cherry-picked 12 (yes, only twelve) trees for their dataset. They discarded many other tree data sets that did not show what they desired.

98 Here are some questions  to ponder while waiting for football to start and the turkey to come out of the oven:

If the earth's atmosphere has an ozone hole, the ozone has gone somewhere, hasn't it?  Where has it gone?  Can we make more?   Why yes we can!  Here in the midwest we have "ozone alerts" on hot, still days,  when we are producing too much exhaust from internal combustion engines.   So we are not to drive our cars as much in order to cut down on the ozone production.

But wait!  Does the ozone we produce here on the surface not rise?  Can't it migrate up to the place where the ozone hangs out?  Is it different ozone?  No, ozone is ozone, O3.  There is no good ozone and bad ozone.

If there is too much ozone here on the surface caused by internal combustion engines, how is it that the same internal combustion engines are the cause of the ozone hole? 

I think about this question every summer.   Still don't have a good answer.

99

If the Republicans regain the majority in the House then they will get the committee chairmanships back. Then they could convene public hearings with subpoena power.

100

99 / MM:

As I recall: Engines emit NOx. Sunlight breaks down NOx's to O3. Not sure if low altitude O3 make it to the poles / holes or not, but it does cause EPA Ozone Alerts.

In the oil and gas drilling industry we have equiped many of our diesel engines with urea injection systems in the exhaust to scavenge the NOx's for EPA compliance.

101 If you want butter on that delicious popcorn: Jim Salinger is a key supporter of Greenpeace's Sign On campaign to get 40% CO2 decreases at Copenhagen, and went with a local Greenie celebutard with $5000 to get the Prime Minister to go to the Copenhagen conference (a bunch of other ministers are going).

http://www.signon.org.nz/ (13th one along)
http://tinyurl.com/ylkxnrx
http://tinyurl.com/y8sqq7s

"The science is bloody obvious!"

Indeed, Dr Salinger. Indeed.

102 My high school physics teacher Mr. Hovey was a stickler for precision.  If you took your stopwatch and tape measure and calculated and reported an answer of 2.140728 meters per second instead of  2.14 +/- .05  you got marked wrong. Not down, but wrong. Thirty years later that lesson has not been forgotten.

Understanding chaos theory is not something I will ever attain to other than reading a (James Gleick) book. But concepts like extreme dependence on initial conditions  --butterfly effect, make it apparent that even the smallest tweaks to a set of data can have big effects on a projection.

The bunker mentality and hidden agenda content of the CRU emails takes the trust out of anything they have touched. It will take people like those at climateaudit.org to spot those cute little subtle tweaks to the data.  Their horror is on a higher professional plane than a beat down with a hockey stick, although that must be tempting after years of being stonewalled.

103 Al Gore is correct - anthropogenic global warming is man-made.

I should have included a sarc tag. My point is that AGW is man-made. Entirely fictional and entirely man-made.

104

104: ... yeah, I got it the first time and liked it.

Man-made man-made Global Warming. Never not throwing rocks at the moon.

105 If the earth's atmosphere has an ozone hole, the ozone has gone somewhere, hasn't it?  Where has it gone?

The great "Ozone Hole" scare was another scam. The NASA website Used to have a graph showing the size of the "hole" trended over several decades. Like temperatures it went up and down and generally had a lot of "noise" in the trend line.  The overall long term trend however had no change.

This was after decades of the restrictions on Freon.  IOW, banning Freon-12 had no impact what so ever. All of the extra expense that the "western nations" had gone to had no impact other than create a temporary black market for China to manufacture Freon-12 for smuggling to the U.S.

Like AGW the entire thing was a scam. The word got out that there was a graph on the NASA site that showed this and it went viral. After that NASA removed the chart.

106 Hey!  I'm a moron and even I'm beginning to see 'a pattern in global warming'.  Wonder if I can get a 'scientific grant to study GW'.  I can make shit up as well as these assholes.  Why it's at least 98 degrees in my backyard right now.  Just ignore that white frost on the grass.

107 My precious!

108 Things are not going well right now.

At least I'm not the only Turkey everyone is talking about today.

109 As to lawsuits with standing, couldn't a government entity that had granted money to fraudulent research projects have standing? 

This reality setting in will really gain momentum when the employers of these "scientists", ie the universities, start throwing them under the bus for fear of permanent damage to the university at large. 

For example, I believe Penn State has a prominent professor involved in the email scandal.  The hotter this gets, so to speak, the more PSU will have to decide...go all in and risk total reputation ruin or cut ties with the professor?  And, in order to cut ties with a tenored professor, they will need reasons that pass legal mustard...reasons like, oh I don't know, fradulent research?

110 As Jimmy Cagney would have said...'The dirty Wratt..'

111


You Can't Talk To Us Like This,We're Scientists Goddammit !!

112 They crossed the beams.

113 AGW is caused by Arugula.

114 Copenhagen needs to be Waterloo. 

115 97

72 / Purple Avenger:

I agree that this will probably not kill the beast. Perhaps it will firmly establish that belief in AGW is a religious faith not science.

95 / Miss Marple:

Yes, I remember that wrt tree rings: thicker means just a better growing year in general (moisture and sunlight regularly through the season in addition to a longer growing season)

One of the most damning recent exposures against the AGW Cabal is that they cherry-picked 12 (yes, only twelve) trees for their dataset. They discarded many other tree data sets that did not show what they desired.

Yes, the Yamal data.

IIRC that 12 trees reduced to 5 and then finally 1. Also, only one tree in that teensy weensy data set had the hockey stick. I think Dendrotologists or whatever they are called recommend a minimum of 50 trees in a data set.

But the science is settled!

*rolls eyes*

116

NASA has been sued for not releasing similar data via FOI.  Holdren is knee deep in this.  The best defense the GoreBull Wormers have presented - gee, it's only one researcher.  Guess they didn't take the time to read the emails or any center-right sites.

Oblunder is off to Copehagen to rally the troops.  Probably work as well politically back home as that Olympic thingy.  This Admin is so corrupt, incompetent, and ham fisted there's never a dull moment.  Problem is - I wonder how many people will to too fatigued to vote in 2010.

117

I hope these vegan pricks can't even look at food today.

"Mommy, why is daddy so sad this Holiday season"?

"Cuz he's a lying scumbag dear".

118

In reality, most modern temperatures need to be adjusted downwards to account for Urban Heat Island Effect (UHIE). An independent crew has been going around taking pictures of today's weather stations and showing how the siting has been compromised over time as civilization grew up around what were somewhat isolated collection points that are now in the middle of a city.

The hockey stick is true, it's just that the morons have it upside down!

119 "We need to find some witnesses who haven't seen anything"--sheriffSlowJoe.

120 Science.  I do not think that word means what they think it means.

121 The Pocket Protector Mafia?

122

102 My high school physics teacher Mr. Hovey was a stickler for precision.  If you took your stopwatch and tape measure and calculated and reported an answer of 2.140728 meters per second instead of  2.14 +/- .05  you got marked wrong. Not down, but wrong. Thirty years later that lesson has not been forgotten.

I had an Electrical engineering prof who used to have us do quick problems on slide rules during class.  When someone gave an answer such as, "That's 6.786 ohms, Perfesser Nelson", he would goggle and say "That's some slide rule you got there, son!"

THE POINT being, you can't get four-digit accuracy on a slide rule.

So over the years I've wondered where all this precision comes from regarding atmospheric temperature.  How, for example, does one measure an "average" for an utterly chaoitic and dynamic system where half the earth is dark and the rest is light ---except over the course of a day when the situation is reversed, and except that seasonal change makes every average different on every day!

Can anyone tell me who sets the base line "average, how they do it, and how they justify what we used to call in high school chem class "sig figs", or significant figures?    Does anyone really believe that humans had uniformly accurate thermometers spread all across the globe, and over the oceans?

I'm certainly aware that western nations undertook great surveys and data collections from the 19th century onward, but how accurate, how complete were they? 

Anyone know?

123 Happy Thanksgiving, y'all!
Early Christmas present from The Onion:

"Obama Home Teleprompter Malfunctions During Family Dinner."

124

Man is causing the world to burn up, man is causing the world to freeze, man is giving to blow up the world with nukes by the year 2000, the Glock is an invisible plastic/ceramic gun that can't be seen under x-ray, concealed carry laws will make gun violence explode, the KY census worker was killed by Glenn Beck.

Does the left ever get tired of being wrong every damn time about every damn thing?

125 If you want to see what gloom and doomers were predicting in the 70's just watch Soylent Green.Surprisingly there seems to be warming even though the loony wisdom at the time was next ice age.

126

Whoa...from the Ottawa Sun...not normally known for being sensible:

tinyurl.com/ycqf3bo

"If you're wondering how the robot-like march of the world's politicians towards Copenhagen can possibly continue in the face of the scientific scandal dubbed "climategate," it's because Big Government, Big Business and Big Green don't give a s*** about "the science.....they never have."

...like Instapundit says, be sure to read it all

127 http://tinyurl.com/4v9bn IowaHawk brings teh phunnie

128 On the Republican side, McCain, Grahamnesty and any other AGW believers need to use this scandal to reverse their positions.

129

99 hucklebberry,

so do you guys refill the urea injection tanks on Friday beer nights? Or do you import? Just curious...

130

I'm certainly aware that western nations undertook great surveys and data collections from the 19th century onward, but how accurate, how complete were they? 

Posted by: effinayright at November 26, 2009 11:20 AM (7M8Py)

Right.. see, on all those old maps, at the edges of explored space where they had little inscriptions like "Here thayre bay Dragones!", what they really meant by giant fire-breathing lizards was Global Warming.

131

sorry, that was supposed to be "100" huckleberry not 99

okay, so my adjustment downwards of past values may not be scientifically defensible... but it's the truth, I swear

132

@ 122

This is getting scary, this ability for a Moron Mind Meld.

My past life was base on the ability to accurately measure things. And when I say accurate, I mean down to .0001 inches. For reference, a piece of paper is around .003 of an inch.

My question is this: How accurate were thermometers one hundred years ago? Were they +/- 1 degree? 2 degrees? .5 degrees? This is a small but not insignificant difference when your trying to establish data for a long period of time.

Another point: How many of them were there? It seems that we've only been able to accurately measure temperature for 150 years or so. As the length of time recedes, the accuracy of the measurements become less and less precise, since before that time, there were no intruments to measure with.

We can't allow ourselves to be confused between data and our increasing accuracy in measurement.

133 The industrial ramp-ups of Saruman and Sauron mostly dealt in wood and coal burning. Soot and sulphur would counteract the greenhouse gasses emitted (CO2 mostly). Soot might darken the planet's albedo, for warming; but Saruman and Sauron were in subtropical latitudes, such that they wouldn't darken the planet notably. Morgoth back in the day, and maybe Angmar, were more northern affairs and they might have contributed to icecap darkening and so warming. But Morgoth is explicitly blamed for a "fell winter"; so he likely rigged the local wind system to blow his pollution southward toward his enemies. (He's fucking Morgoth, people.) Tolkien seems to have understood that it's not warmth which kills agrarian society - it's ice.

134 If we all become vegans, then we'll do all the farting instead of the cows. Carbon neutral, I'm saying.

135 Entirely irrelevant, but someone has to say it. There was an apostrophe missing from the "Its" at the end of the popcorn video.

Carry on.

136 131 / Chuck: ... clever! but unfortunately it is more concentrated than that.

137 No NFL thread today???

138

Yes, the Yamal data.

IIRC that 12 trees reduced to 5 and then finally 1. Also, only one tree in that teensy weensy data set had the hockey stick. I think Dendrotologists or whatever they are called recommend a minimum of 50 trees in a data set

The suspicious use of cherry-picked samples goes back to this story from 2005!

"When we compared data as used by Mann with original archived data, we found one and only one example where the early values of a series had been extrapolated -- a cedar tree ring series from the Gaspe peninsula in Canada. The extrapolation, from 1404 back to 1400, had the effect of allowing this series to be included in the critical early 15th-century calculations."

and

"we sent in a second version of the article in which we demonstrated that these 14 tree rings were all from highly controversial bristlecone pine series, studied by Graybill and Idso in 1993, which showed an unusual growth spurt in the 20th century. Graybill and Idso themselves attributed the growth spurt to higher concentrations of CO2 in the air, because they were able to show that it was not caused by increased temperatures. Oddly enough, in their 1999 article, Mann and his colleagues had actually admitted the same thing: 'A number of tree ring series at high altitudes in the western part of the United States seem to show a prolonged growth spurt that is more pronounced than can be explained with the measured increase in temperature in these regions.'"

and strikingly

"On Mann's FTP site, the directory for the North American network contains a subdirectory with the striking name BACKTO_1400-CENSORED. The folder contains PCs that looked like the ones we produced, but it was not clear how they had been calculated. We wondered if the folder had anything to do with the bristlecone pine series: This was a bulls eye. We were able to show that the 14 bristlecone pine series that effectively made up Mann's PC1 (and six others) had been excluded from the PC calculations in the censored folder. Without the bristlecones sites, there were no hockey sticks for Mann's method to mine for,"

I fancy a set of ropes lashed to the branches of some bristlecone pines.

Figuratively, of course.  I wouldn't want to use language like Ellen Goodman, who said in February 2007 "Let's just say that global warming deniers are now on a par with Holocaust deniers."

139 Woops, there is --I got thrown by this thread being bumped up!

140 The AGW hoax is an excellent illustration of the bipolar nature of our civilization.

On one hand we are a culture that uses science and engineering to make devices that demand extreme precision and accuracy in order to function.

On the other hand we are a culture blanketed with systems that promote and exploit ignorance to the point where entire world economies and social structures can be crushed.

We are like the Ancient Romans making perfectly straight roads and fantastic aqueducts, and at the same time living under insane emperors and gulping down lead poisoned food and drink.

141

Just to reply to Backwardsboy,

I now live near Kansas City. Whenever they show the highs for this date, (especially during the summer), the highs are always in the early '30's.

Not 1998, which according to the AGW boys was the hottest yr. on record.

Which means that KC is using real data, not any 'adjusted' temps.

Interesting, at least to me.

142

Or make that from the 1930's.

sheesh...

143 "Adjustments were made to compensate for changes in the physical locations of sensing stations."

Yeah, right, it's just an amazing coincidence that the sensing stations moved in just such a way to disguise the true warming that was really going on.

144  We are like the Ancient Romans making perfectly straight roads and fantastic aqueducts, and at the same time living under insane emperors and gulping down lead poisoned food and drink.

Acutely observed.

That's also why I stick to Val-U-Rite.  It may not be pedigreed, but it's clean.

145 I have to run out of here, but how's this for an angle to get at these swindling bastards?

Cash-strapped school districts need to go after K-12 textbook publishers in the courts for restitution for pushing fraudulent "science" in their materials.  These publishers have lists of degreed gatekeepers on either payroll or retainer to lend authority to the content (and to bar entry to any potential competition) and the textbooks themselves cost a fortune.

Any successes with these lawsuits will force the publishers to go after the other players to spread or pass the blame.

146 67&69 - Yeah I remember that crap too.  Same kinds of assholes.

Funny how the solution is always socialism.

147

Cash-strapped school districts need to go after K-12 textbook publishers in the courts for restitution for pushing fraudulent "science" in their materials.

Ahh, Mike. The K-12 crew is getting the next crew of deranged assholes ready.

See also Minnesota college requires future  teachers to proclaim their personal, (real/imagined ) racism in order to graduate.

148
This is all you got?

One sentence in an email and a few graphs?

hahahahaha, try harder, wingnuts

149 If you want to see what gloom and doomers were predicting in the 70's just watch Soylent Green.Surprisingly there seems to be warming even though the loony wisdom at the time was next ice age.

Oh, I've got a citation for you.  "Quintet," an extremely obscure Robert Altman film that takes place in a nearly frozen Earth, and what's left of mankind lives underground... and with doom looming, the premise for this nearly unwatchable, dull, incomprehensible film is that of a murder mystery.  Because you see, since everyone is going to die of cold and starvation eventually, the entertaining pastime that is all the rage in the underground colony is a board game where the loser gets murdered.  Seriously.

Paul Newman was in this film, and probably thanked his liberal gods every day that more people saw "Gigli" than this film.

150

Heck, one good thing I've seen is that even my local rag  The Kansas City Star paper is starting to notice this. Even linked by Instapundit!

Even better, if ya'll have seen, there seems to be a huge backlash of posters against papers that are supporting Copenhagen or Global Warming.

Reporters seem to be the lagging indicator here.

But I get the feeling that they are going to have to get up to speed really quick.

This much criticism, this fast, is going to force the MSM to take a long, hard look at AGW and the 'hack'.

Of course it's only been a week.

 

 

 

151 Unfortunately, since Globull Warming  Manmade Climate Change has become the Official State Religion of the United States, Obama  is going to Copenhagen anyway and sign our civilization away.  It's Salvation by Faith, the evidence be damned.

152  Reporters seem to be the lagging indicator here.

But I get the feeling that they are going to have to get up to speed really quick.

So if we graph reporters' opinions, filling in for gaps and generating proxies, as Copenhagen approaches do we get a hockey stick?

At least for beating them?

153 I haven't got time for this heresy. You are all banned.

154 SUMMON THE TURKEY

155  SUMMON THE TURKEY

When the turkey hits, the Earth will be engulfed in a shroud of Nuclear Sleepiness!!!11!11!

156

So if we graph reporters' opinions, filling in for gaps and generating proxies, as Copenhagen approaches do we get a hockey stick?

At least for beating them?

(laughs)

Hell, I'm all for it!

But it will be a cold stick...

157 Will someone please think of the Hobbits!

158 Read the e-mails! Read the e-mails! Read the e-mails! Read the e-mails! Read the e-mails! Read the e-mails! Read the e-mails! Read the e-mails! Read the e-mails! Read the e-mails!

159

I killed a hobbit once.

And all I got was a stupid ring.

160

I killed a hobbit once. In Reno. Just to watch him die.

161

Over at The Onion they say Joe Biden has pardoned the Thanksgiving Yam.

heh

162 Four out of five continental glaciers surveyed agree crushing cities is totally badass.

163

Since AGW is now firmly established as a religion instead of science, perhaps the disciples will sacrifice Al Gore to Gaia.

The winter or summer solstice would be appropriate days, but I haven't decided what method would be most appropriate. A few ideas...

- dropped from a helicopter into a live volcano or ice floe

- blasted into space on a trajectory to the sun

- returned to nature naked in the Amazon or Arctic

Help!

 

 

164
here's another email from Phil Jones

Mike,

Stephen McIntyre is becoming a real pain in the arse and can really bollix things up for us. Do you happen to know Jeff Gillooly's phone number?

Cheers,
Phil

165

Huck,

See the original "The Wicker Man".

Hope this helps.

166 Next Crisis:

Increasing Carbon Dioxide levels are making the atmosphere heavier, grinding the Earth's rotation to an abrupt halt.

Now picture Al Gore with two babies mounted on the front of his vest.

167 I can neither confirm nor deny that global warming is a fraud.

168

 

116

"NASA has been sued for not releasing similar data via FOI.  Holdren is knee deep in this.  The best defense the GoreBull Wormers have presented - gee, it's only one researcher.  Guess they didn't take the time to read the emails or any center-right sites"

No doubt.  That frickin' whack job has his fingerprints all over this scam.  Why not?  It's a nice fit for his goals.

http://tinyurl.com/ycfxpy6

It was never about science.

169 @ 149

No need to get obscure. The first line of the chorus of "London Calling" is "The ice age is coming." It ends in a flood, like all apocalypses do, regardless of temperature.

And Quintet is a great parody of Bergman, whether it means to be or not.

170  And Quintet is a great parody of Bergman, whether it means to be or not.

If by Bergman you mean "irrepressibly dull," you have a point.

171 128...great point.  Will Newt now do a commercial where he kicks Gran Nan and Al Gore in the crotch?

The AGW worshipers have been doing sex to us for nearly 30 years and the R's who have been duped need to take their lumps and admit their mistake.

172 Dudes, you gotta realize Newt et al are proponents of Big Government
Their destination is the same point on the horizon as Reid and Pelosi

173 The Soviet Union morphed but did not go away....the KGB just changed acronyms. The West sees but does not recognize what Putin is. Look how stupid Bush was re this. The AGW crowd is being played as useful idiots immersed in the Western government/educational systems as a way to destroy us from within.

174 I think what we have here is the perfect example of what Goebbels called the "Big Lie."

To wit: a lie so huge, so audacious in the sheer breadth and enormity of its audaciousness that no rational person would at first glance believe it could possibly be a deliberate untruth.

An entire prestigious institution of learning and science... the so-called "Harvard of Climate Research"... engaged in massive distortion of data, and collusion to discredit legitimate voices of opposition or even reasonable doubt. A global media effort to discredit any skeptic as the moral equivalent of a Holocaust Denier. Thousands of UN and liberal politicians around the world willingly suspending their own sense of the reason, because they wanted all that money and power so bad, they could taste it.

And of course, all this coincided with the death of religion amongst liberals, who substituted Gaia worship for God. For them, the arrival of the great Global Warming Hoax was a Godsend, their new definition of Evil in the World, from which the Sacrament of Carbon Credit Offsets offered a newly-defined "Salvation."

To Global Warming Religionists I say, Gentlemen: What a Bunch of Liberal Loon Assholes you have been revealed to be.

175 Gentlemen! All our phony-baloney jobs are at stake!

176 I can imagine The Goracle standing in his front doorway this morning, looking out on a vast empty front lawn, and with a beseeching look on his face asking, "Can I get an alleluia?.  Anyone?"   

177 From our friends at small dead animals, note that the minor correction Salinger makes is... 1500%.

Goebbels was a Ph.d, no?
----
The New Zealand Climate Science Coalition, which created the last two graphics and includes an IPCC reviewer, now alleges that Salinger and NIWA have refused to explain the basis on which the data was adjusted:

The shocking truth is that the oldest readings have been cranked way down and later readings artificially lifted to give a false impression of warming, as documented below. There is nothing in the station histories to warrant these adjustments and to date Dr Salinger and NIWA have not revealed why they did this.

Adjusted upward - by 1500 per cent.

178 You think these people are unhinged now, just wait a few weeks while the story gets a real toe hold in the public mind. I have a feeling we might see these lunatics go completely over the edge. I think we might see some real violence coming out of these people.

179 "This is all you got?

One sentence in an email and a few graphs?

hahahahaha, try harder, wingnuts"

One sentence in an e-mail and a few graphs? We aren't defending global warmism here, don't misrepresent our evidence!

180

As a wise man once said:

“The public must be able to trust the science and scientific process informing public policy decisions. Political officials should not suppress or alter scientific or technological findings and conclusions. If scientific and technological information is developed and used by the Federal Government, it should ordinarily be made available to the public. To the extent permitted by law, there should be transparency in the preparation, identification, and use of scientific and technological information in policymaking. The selection of scientists and technology professionals for positions in the executive branch should be based on their scientific and technological knowledge, credentials, experience, and integrity.”
Obama, March 2009

Then he selected Holdren as science czar.

181

To all the AGW liars,

"Good Day Cur".

182 Ribs are smokin', and my dawg grunt is licking his chops while guarding the grill, I used peach wood for flavor OMG it smells good out there, toast to our Troops and their Families all of you enjoy your day folks.

183

In addition to the numerous lawsuits that should result from the largest hoax ever perpetrated on Earth, we should demand that every law and regulation that was based on it be repealed immediately.

They screamed there was no time to waste in writing these laws. Let's see how serious they really are when confronted with the truth.

No bullshit, no excuses, no nothing. Just hop to it, right now. Every day that passes without this happening is a slap in our face by politicians who refuse to recognize reality and do what is right, respectable, and honorable.

184 I would have gotten away with it too, if it weren't for you meddling kids.

185 Watching the games too today (of course) I hope I'm still #1 on one of the AoS teams today but if I'm not so be it, I can't be pissed today unless Dallas lose. hahahahahahah!

186 I had a science professor in college tell me once, "I don't believe anything, but I accept many things." 

Think of the arrogance and self-importance dripping from that statement.   But, it used to be the basis for skepticism and made scientists question everything. 

Now, juxtapose that type of sentiment with the undying belief the AGW scientists have invested in warming.  They have suspended all skepticism and are sacraficing their careers on the alter of Gaia. 

187
what if they're right? what if 100,000 years from now the Earth's temperature rises a couple of degrees and polar bears start dropping from the sky?

wow, we'll have egg on our faces if that happens. so maybe we shouldn't dance in the streets quite yet. After all, don't you care about your great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great grandchildren?

188
Watching the games too today (of course) I hope I'm still #1 on one of the AoS teams today but if I'm not so be it, I can't be pissed today unless Dallas lose. hahahahahahah!

Posted by: 'Nam Grunt at November 26, 2009 01:47 PM (BmbsW)

If there is a god, Dallas will lose to Oakland today.

189 Boooooooo Blazer, but somehow I ain't pissed at your statement.

190 Someone has finally outdone me.  And his name is Al Gore.

191 Adjusted upward - by 1500 per cent.

Only 1500%, ONLY.  It could have been much worse.

192

happy thanksgiving fellow kos'ers, i am so thankful we have obama and the sexy michelle!!

oops, wrong site, ignore this post

oh, agw is is a lie!! damn you glen beck.....

193
I refuse to celebrate a day that a race of people were thrown into bondage and then exterminated.

Have fun with your turkey's creationists !

I bid you adieu.

194
Let's all do One Thing^tm. (Don't you hate these commercials?)

What's your One Thing^tm?

I reckon I'll plant a tree shrub flower to save or create 12 children in Africa from Global Warming.

What's your One Thing^tm?

195

Oh yea, buy my calendar !

196 i have never seen this 'one thing' commercial, what is it?

197

I refuse to celebrate a day that a race of people were thrown into bondage

folsum street in san fransisco?

198
Deep fried twinkies? Check!
Banana Moon Pies? Check!
Bag of 7-11 hot dogs? Check!
Cranberry wine coolers? Check!
Must be a Holiday!

199
It must be a local thing, but I'm sure every region has their own version, joe.

Up here in Boston, our big AM radio station does PSA's for people to do One Thing to save the environment. Use less electricity, walk to work, etc.

200 Damn, now that there are political casualties to Cimate Scientology, I'm starting to get a woody from the news.

201 Up here in Boston, our big AM radio station does PSA's for people to do One Thing to save the environment. Use less electricity, walk to work, etc.

Shower with a friend?

202 Happy Thanksgiving everyone. One thing I'm thankful for is this site. Thanks Ace.

203
^
Good one!

Tomorrow night I'll lower the human carbon footprint by killing a bum.

204
Up here in Boston, our big AM radio station does PSA's for people to do One Thing to save the environment. Use less electricity, walk to work, etc.

Posted by: a.k.a. the man with no name at November 26, 2009 02:04 PM (XiLyG)

Sell your private jet?

The deuce you say?

205
whoa whoa whoa! You can't get rid of your jets. How else are you gonna travel around the world and raise awareness about Global Warming?

206

199  okay, one thing, hmmmmmmm

since i drive a big ass lincoln about 250-300 miles a day i'll up it about another 20

i see it as mother earth having a cigarette on me

207 One thing I haven't seen on the props is a Happy Thanksgiving to Ace and his close ones, he does bring all of us together daily, there's that! Have a great day ACE!!!

208 why are they doing some dumb shit halftime show?

209 208,

Liberal mania, no worries it will stop in 2010!!!

210
You know how Cash for Clunkers was such a success as both an economic stimulant and as a help to save the economy?

Well, I'm gonna go out tonight and pour sodium silicate in every car I find with an Obama sticker. I'm sure all these people want to save the environment and won't mind me destroying their earth-killing combustible engines.

211 it can't come soon enough nam

212 210  i always wanted to drive up next to a car with a 'stop global warming' sticker and say 'hey asshole, why are you driving a car?'

213 You are witnessing mush brained youngsters that are led like sheep on this halftime, I prefer the youngsters that are being shot at and shooting back at our enemies around the world, they are the future of our Country, God Bless each and every one of them!

214
Exactly.

215
Global warming Scandal, I'm real happy for you and imma let you finish, but Milli Vanilli had one of the best scandals ever.

Of All Time !

216 The science is settled irrelevant.

217 215  +10 blazer, nicely done

218 whoa whoa whoa! You can't get rid of your jets. How else are you gonna travel around the world and raise awareness about Global Warming?

Posted by: a.k.a. the man with no name at November 26, 2009 02:09 PM (XiLyG)

Back in the old days, when Man was not advanced enough to understand the important pseudo-science of climatologyism, they would use astral projection. Modern climate pseudo-scientists, however, have proven that astral projection contributes untold amounts to global warming and, therefore, jetting about the Earth is the cooler alternative. Climate pseudo-scientists note that using jets, as opposed to astral projection, is quite the sacrifice, since they have to pack their clothes, and sit in cramped first-class seats and little, itty-bitty Lears and Gulfstreams for hours and be stuck in awful places and shop in foreign stores ... It's a terrible sacrifice, but it's all about saving GAIA from the evil species of Homo Sapien - the dastardly scourge of the Earth.

When asked why all global warming meetings weren't just virtual meetings, reducing the need for awful jet travel, climate pseudo-scientists responded, "Shut up!"

219 OT:  Overseas markets off 3%.  Gold over 1190.  Dollar pushing 52 week lows.  Turkey cooking.  That is all.

220

I like this version of Popcorn better.  More betterer visuals.

http://tinyurl.com/yg5zakm

221 That is all.

Posted by: Herr Morgenholz at November 26, 2009 02:33 PM (h/zKr)

You forgot to add that Dubai announced that they will default on their debt, come December, and asked their creditors for a standstill on the repayments.

Good thing they're going to have a 162 story skyscraper out there. What would they have possibly done without it? Building tall in a desert ... can't argue with that sort of reasoning.

222
When asked why all global warming meetings weren't just virtual meetings, reducing the need for awful jet travel, climate pseudo-scientists responded, "Shut up!"

I wondered the same thing when Obama took an entourage to Europe to lobby for the Olympics. He could have done the exact sae thing with a conference call.

223
btw, Obama couldn't swing by Iraq or Afghanistan on his way home from Asia? What a piece of shit.

224 I wondered the same thing when Obama took an entourage to Europe to lobby for the Olympics. He could have done the exact sae thing with a conference call.

Posted by: a.k.a. the man with no name at November 26, 2009 02:40 PM (XiLyG)

The White House was worried that the magic skin tone wouldn't come out just right on the monitor. Without that magic, they are utterly helpless.

The White House later blamed the failure on faulty lighting engineered by the Brazilians, who secretly placed special LED bulbs around the podium.

Samson had his hair ... It's an old story.

225

Just a brief note, the Liberals in Australia are the more-conservative party (old-fashioned liberals); the Left and Far Left are the Australian Labor Party (that's currently the Government) and, of course, the Greens.

226 Obama couldn't swing by Iraq or Afghanistan on his way home from Asia?

Booing crowds and getting pelted with rotten fruit isn't a good photo-op.

227

Reflecting further on my 163 above, I don't think anything listed has that certain elan the occasion requires, therefore I think they should...

Install a clown-cannon on the Greenpeace Artic Sunrise and launch him onto an ice floe to tend the endangered polar bears.

228

Posted by: progressoverpeace at November 26, 2009 02:33 PM (A46hP)

--That post was full of WIN.

229

When Al Gore uses a private jet, it's asshole projection not astral projection.

230 I'm debated which FB friends I should throw this at.  To me, it's less about rubbing it in and more about presenting them a "Come to Jesus" moment in the hopes they'll be more circumspect in the future.

231 Posted by: logprof at November 26, 2009 02:56 PM (A+6fk)

Thanks much.

When Al Gore uses a private jet, it's asshole projection not astral projection.

Posted by: andycanuck at November 26, 2009 02:56 PM (2qU2d)

ROFLMAO!

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233
You think maybe we could get rid of the GW division at CIA now?
Nah, don't be silly.

234 I'm debated which FB friends I should throw this at.

We got a loaded for bear sleek new ship of the line here dude.  Cross the "T" and start firing broadsides.

235 To me, it's less about rubbing it in and more about presenting them a "Come to Jesus" moment in the hopes they'll be more circumspect in the future.

Posted by: logprof at November 26, 2009 02:58 PM (A+6fk)

You would think that this would temper their future thoughts and behavior, but I fear that this only drives them madder than they already are. This is an overly emotional bunch and I don't think this destruction of the purpose of their lives will be handled well.

My guess would be that they hold out as long as possible, perhaps getting quiet for a while, but will eventually find another man-made doomsday theory to trumpet.

Personally, I have a brazen bull ready to host each and every global warming supporter. Live by the lie of global warming, die by brutally real warming. Sounds fair to me.

236
"I'm debated which FB friends I should throw this at."



How about just go to Starbucks or Borders ? You can spot them by the mother Gaia stickers they have on the back glass of their Ford Expeditions.

237 Happy Thanksgiving all you morons!

238 This whole Climategate is a Nontroversy, according to LGF.

Whisk(e)y Tango Foxtrot

239 If you see a homeless hippy today, make sure you share your fist with them.  That's my Thanksgiving thought for 2009.  Tune in next year.

240 This whole Climategate is a Nontroversy, according to LGF.

Whisk(e)y Tango Foxtrot

Posted by: 4k78 at November 26, 2009 03:22 PM (rYlhO)

Thats just Chucky's way of sticking his fingers in his ears and going "na-nana-boo-boo, I cant hear yoo"

The guys an intellectual giant I tell you.

241

With one friend of mine, we've just decided on a moratorium on political topics, even when writing private messages.  So I'm honoring that but hoping she's reading anything I post on Piltdown Man-made global warming.

242 All right, off to class!

243 The Coming Ice Age Factsheet

http://tinyurl.com/y8dqs6u

244 So, if I was lets sayyyy Chase Johannsen, and I had a web site thingy that had been a real pain in certain folks collective asses, and somebody named Yorgos Rosos offered me like 3 bajillion dollars to let them keep the name but turn it into some kinda kook site do you think anybody would notice?

245

My post from the previous Climategate thread:

Perhaps the leaker was testing if the journalist was interested in taking the ball and running with the files.

In which case - EPIC FAIL - the journalist lost the scoop of his career.

It was probably better in the long run that it didn't happen that way, though.  A few emails leaked to a journalist can be pretty easily spun--it's a hell of a lot harder to make a 50 MB file of emails, charts, and other documents just go away.  East Anglia is doing damage control, the BBC reporter admits he screwed up by not running with the story, and the AGW cultists at realclimate are desperately using any argument they can (including the lame "there's nothing THAT bad" and "ooh scientists are nasty to each other, big deal" arguments).

Just imagine that Ben Bernanke, Hank Paulson, and Tim Geithner sent out emails stating that their calculations on TARP showed that the bailout wasn't really necessary to save the economy, and that it was going in the shitter anyway.  And then said they were going to have to hide that information from people who were skeptical of the claims.  Can you imagine the media firestorm that would ensue for something like that? 

And TARP was just a one-time event--the CRU's scientists have been influencing the AGW debate for DECADES, with their research and data sets going out to scientists across the globe and being used as the foundation for climate studies.  The result has been an incestuous circle-jerk of manipulated or incomplete data disguised as "peer review" that's taken as a given, not something to be analyzed objectively.

No, I think it's a good thing that the media didn't pick up on this initially, because it eventually would have been snuffed out.  Now that the info is out there for everyone to look at, there's no way a sympathetic, morally compromised journalist can mute the discussion by withholding information.

246

MSM says: "Ehhhh.   Is there not anything to report on Lindsey Lohan?  How 'bout Madonna?  Yeah, that would be news!  Sean Penn?  ...hey!!!  I know!  We could get David Frum to say something about Palin!"

"Can we say something about Michelle's arms?  How 'bout Chris Mathews twitchy legs?"

"Shit!  This not reporting on stuff is hard!"

247 I think we need to start seeing a chart of "fruits of the poisoned tree," papers, studies, and policies based on falsified or suspect data.  The journals should give the authors 30d to rewrite and resubmit without the CRU and other trash data. 

I wonder where that will leave us - Vostok Ice Cores and Satellite data - that don't support the narrative.

Then we need a "truth" commission; wherein all the little fish come before Freeman Dyson, Vaclav Klaus, and Steve McIntyre and beg forgiveness as they disclose hundreds of of other emails and peer-review stunts.

248 Mr. Combover, I'm with you on your point, but I just to have to note a couple of corrections:

Just imagine that Ben Bernanke, Hank Paulson, and Tim Geithner sent out emails stating that their calculations on TARP

That could never happen, as there were no calculations for TARP. Paulson pulled the $700 billion number right out of his ass ... He was just lucky that no one bothered to really push this point at the time.

showed that the bailout wasn't really necessary to save the economy, and that it was going in the shitter anyway.

TARP was ony meant to save the monetary system, not the economy. Unfortunately, TARP has long since moved from the monetary system to the wider economic scope - thanks to the awful legislation that was forced through.

Can you imagine the media firestorm that would ensue for something like that?

Sadly, the media covered up everything about the insane nature of the whole TARP endeavor. I was very much for the Congress doing their actual job of protecting our monetary system, but they went so much further that it was criminal in how it was done and how it's currently being pursued. The media never even bothered to investigate the half trillion dollars that was sucked out of money market accounts in a half hour in September that precipitated the whole crisis. There's still been no mention at all of who was withdrawing the money to where ...

I didn't mean to step on your valid post, but I just had to mention these points, as they have both been abused in the public discussion, which is why TARP is now an all-purpose, un-Constitutional slush fund at Treasury, to use in any way they want.

249 I wonder where that will leave us - Vostok Ice Cores and Satellite data - that don't support the narrative.

Posted by: Jean at November 26, 2009 04:16 PM (xCBQ4)

The Vostok Ice Core data is good stuff. I used to use it in all of my anti-anthropogenic global warming arguments, which was great, because global warming nuts love to pray to the Vostok cores. That data clearly shows that we are at a very high volatility period in climate, though near the end of that period, and that we are headed for a cooling that would boggle the mind over the next many centuries.

Their CO2 arguments of causation for the core data are silly, at best. The temperature data, though, is positively fascinating and goes massively against the whole global warming fraud.

250

Get!  Down!

Boogie-oogie-oogie!

http://tinyurl.com/yekjd9g

"At this rate, Copenhagen is going to turn into a comedy convention with the real world laughing at these liars. Now is the time to mount massive resistance to the petty tyrants and hit them where it hurts – in the wallet. Further down the line there may be, in many countries, a question of criminal prosecution of anybody who has falsified data to secure funds and impose potentially disastrous fiscal restraints on the world in deference to a massive hoax. It’s a new world out there, Al, and, as you may have noticed, the climate is very cold indeed."

251 progressoverpeace -- I do alot of work with micro-scale weather and this AGW side show has always fascinating me.

252 Who cares what LGF says.  They are, as they used to say in the Navy, Tango Uniform.

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254 The temperature data, though, is positively fascinating and goes massively against the whole global warming fraud.

Invest in Florida real estate. 

255 Should we call these hoaxers the New Weathermen?

256
Posted by: Cahrsel Jhonsno at November 26, 2009 04:41 PM (sYxEE)



Was that you k-bear? 'Cause if it was you owe me a keyboard and a mixed-drink.

Fucker.

257 Aussie politics in turmoil over Liberal party resignations over their version of Cap/Trade. Some of the liberals broke ranks and resigned over it(i.e. they thought it was a crap bill)...

Damned decent of them, which is more than can be said for the assholes running the show here in California...

258 Folks, the Mail Online story about the BBC's Hudson is a total fuck up.  All Hudson did was verify that an email he got a copy of in October was in the zip file released in November.  That was a natural reaction.  Steve McIntyre did exactly the same thing.

Read Mann's October 12 email bitching about Hudson's piece at BBC, which was named, "What Ever Happened to Global Warming?"   Mann wanted to know why Hudson got a story out and why one of the lapdogs at the Beeb hadn't stopped Hudson's piece.

Get it?  Hudson was asking the same question the rest of us are.  Since Ace posted the Mail's bullshit, the whole right side of the blogs having been making asses of themselves.

BTW, the last emails in the zip file go to mid-November.

Long and short, Mail Online can't frickin' read and the rest of you are blowing smoke about Hudson based on a bullshit story.  Haven't we learned anything?  You can't trust the media, check the freaking facts.

259 241

With one friend of mine, we've just decided on a moratorium on political topics, even when writing private messages.  So I'm honoring that but hoping she's reading anything I post on Piltdown Man-made global warming.

Logprof,

Actually that's PennState Mann - made global warming.  (h/t to Steve Mosher @ CA.)

260 Ok, who broke the main page?

261

Posted by: jc at November 26, 2009 04:59 PM (ug69i)

--Either one works.  Especially since Piltdown Man was a mythical creature, like AGW

262 Hmm Parse error on the main page. Ace must have been hitting the value-rite again.

263 "Folks, the Mail Online story about the BBC's Hudson is a total fuck up. All Hudson did was verify that an email he got a copy of in October was in the zip file released in November. That was a natural reaction. Steve McIntyre did exactly the same thing."

Yeah it's not like he's a journalist or anything and he has a code of ethics that tells him to investigate anything and everything he gets his hands on that is newsworthy or could lead to something newsworthy or anything like that, in his station as one of the self-appointed arbiters of What the Masses Need to Know.

264 261  logprof

Sadly, PennState Mann isn't mythical.  Although it was funny as hell that the Minnesotan 4GW chose him in particular to skewer with their vid of him singing "hide the decline" to the old Tommy James tune.

Can you imagine the sheer frustration of being one of that asshole's students?  He probably negotiated such a cushy position that he never has to lecture or grade anything, but if he does, getting through any of his courses must be horrible.  I bet it is nothing but agree-with-my-arrogant-unethical-ass-or-else, and most try to wash their brains with bleach when they finally get a passing grade.

265 The main page parse error is back.

266 Was that you k-bear? 'Cause if it was you owe me a keyboard and a mixed-drink.

Fucker.

I can get you a deal for those on Kindle

267
who broke the main page?

268 Main page error:
Parse error: syntax error, unexpected '<' in /home/ace/public_html/skins/1/3c-body.php on line 51

Also, an error at the top post.

269

I'm LMAO that at American Thinker there are ads by Nature Canada with the cutest of polar bears frollicking that say "Let's Stop Global Warming! Sign Our Petition Now!"

I am soooooo tempted to put a bogus name in there like Hal R. Highwater (which I have used for Not in Our Name before).

270

 National Institute of Standards and Technology (NIST) was once known as the National Bureau of Standards and was founded around 1900.  I do not know when NIST adopted metrology (science of measurements) standards, but any temperature measurement taken before 1900 is probably plus or minus one half degree at best.  It is my opinion but I think any hardware store thermometer available now is just as accurate as what was used before 1900. Furthermore, The Instrument Society of America was not founded until 1945 when metrology standards began being codified. 

Our futures are dependent on temperature values that aren't all that accurate anyway.  Where are the as found calibration results?  

271 Where are the as found calibration results? 

Calibration?  Never heard of it.

272 I'm thankful for many things this year, but Climategate is right at the top of the list. Finally, the sane can breathe easy and point to proof. It was getting crazy out there.

273

Save energy and save the planet!

Screw tranny hookers in abandoned cars.

274 263  chaos

please chaos.  think a little.  One guy at the Beeb (and AFAIK just one guy) -- Hudson -- proves he is not an incredible dickwad by asking the obvious question -- "if it is cooling for 10 years while CO2 is going up for 10 years, why are we so convinced about AGW?"

The assholes in this sinister story pitch a fit because he actually even got a chance to speak.  He gets a copy of the assholes' email chain.  A month later, the zip file breaks.  He checks the zip file for that one email chain that he got a copy of the month before.  He tells people that.  The Mail Online reporter can't friggin' read and gets it all wrong.  Ace posts the Mail Online link.  Insty, Wizbang, and a bunch of others follow Ace's lead.

So, in net effect -- one guy at the Beeb is not a total douche, and he gets attacked because of a misunderstanding.  All the real douches at the Beeb now have a chance to point at the attacks and tell the one guy who was not acting like a douche (at least in this one instance), "see I told you so."

Now how exactly is that helping us?

275

I haven't had any sunspots this entire year because I bought a tube containing 400 million metric tons of Clearasil at a Sams Club last Christmas.

276 No one is suggesting that Hudson had the entire zip file in his possession for a month. However, he did have many of the e-mails that paint people like Phil Jones in a less than complementary light, and he had more than enough, as a journalist, to say something about it or try to dig up more or do both. He didn't.

Please JC, think a little. Or just shut up. I don't really care, you're a drooling moron whether you shut up or not. That you never even tried to reply to what I said and instead simply repeated your original shitty post with some weak snark thrown in shows it pretty conclusively. Where do you think you are? The internet or something, that you can address people like that? Stop being a little bitch thanks.

277 chaos, f/o.  no thanks required.

278 The local fishwrapper has a talk with Mann. They lobbed easy questions at him. Best quote ....

Other e-mails involve Mann in related controversies. In a May 29, 2008, email titled “IPCC and FOI,” Jones asked Mann to “delete any e-mails you may have had with Keith re AR4.” AR4 is the fourth Assessment Report, published in 2007, of the International Panel on Climate Change.
Mann said that was an email sent to him, “and can in no way be taken to indicate approval of, let alone compliance with, the request. I did not delete any such email correspondences.”

http://www.centredaily.com/news/local/story/1646329.html

279 "chaos, f/o. no thanks required."

Owned. Thanks!

280 "Thankfully, not all viruses will remain viable after thawing out from hibernation in  ice sheet" http://tinyurl.com/ykmxhkc

281 Did the morons figure out yet that this nothing but a regression analysis yet?

282 "Ah HA! A clue!"
-- Daffy Duck

283 The poll of 1,500 adults by the Pew Research Center for the People & the Press found that only 57 percent believe there is strong scientific evidence that the Earth has gotten warmer over the past few decades, and as a result, people are viewing the problem as less serious. That's down from 77 percent in 2006. The good news is a 20 point shift in public opinion from moron to skeptic. The bad news is there are still 57% morons left.

284 122 effinayright

I couldn't begin to explain how the global average temperature is calculated.  But this guy's blog (http://chiefio.wordpress.com/gistemp/) can tell you everything you need to know about how NASA's GIStemp product does it.  He even has the source code online.  GIStemp baseline is 1950s-1980s temps - i.e. when it was cooler than the 1930s.  After reading E.M. Smith's blog, all I have to say is yikes!  The chosen thermometers used in the dataset to calculate the "global warming" anomaly have moved to the nice warm beach in recent times, away from cold, high (altitude and latitude)  places.   They also seem to like airports.  Jet exhaust must make them warm and happy. 

The GIStemp product appears to be similar to whatever crap CRU is using (if they even understand what they've been using).   Bloggers who understand computer programming are beginning to decipher it now.  The deciphered code will probably be more damaging to man-made global warming than the e-mails.

285

random --

Actually I think it is important to accept the data, no matter what side of the AGW argument you are on.

As such, I have no issue with the evidence that there was a period of warmth from the 70's to the 90's.

The pertinent issues to be resolved before any policy should be made are:

Is that warming remarkable compared to historic records?

What portion of that warming is caused by human activity?

And is that warming something to be alarmed about?

The AGW fetishists haven't answered any of these questions in a scientifically rigorous manner. Much less explained how all the warming that took place in those decades was almost completely wiped out by the past few year's cooling cycle.

"The fact is we can't account for the lack of warming at the moment and it is a travesty that we can't."

 

286 Mother nature seems to have particular disdain for hubris.

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