1 is this post a reference to all the HotAir bashing going on lately?

2

"ball-dippingly good" - LauraW

... but is it hump-dippingly good?

 

3
> David Zephyr Donating Member (1000+ posts)
9. Al-Qaeda is in Somalia. Should we invade there, too?

Ahhh. These guys argue about stuff without knowing the basics. Such as, our special forces routinely operate in Somalia and other hot spots all over Africa.

4 I can already see this will devolve into eye gouging and hair pulling.

5 I hear the sound of heads asplodin.

6 anyhow, it's hilarious to see the left suddenly be the ones burden w/ responsibility of war, they don't know what to do. when Bush was in office, they made Iraq a polarizing issue that almost cost Bush what should have been an easy re-election period, then they decided to take up Afghanistan as their main cause & kept telling us how we need to focus on the war over there, now here they are getting their wish & they're melting down over this issue! there's a reason that even w/ the anti republican 2006-2008 movement, the GOP still owned the foreign policy issue

7 But how will this help Mean'shelle's children?

8
I was lurking around in the lefty sites this morning

Hope you showered afterwards.

9 LauraW, I had no idea you had balls.  Is there something we should know?

10 Sweet, sweet blue-on-blue catfighting. 

11 Such as, our special forces routinely operate in Somalia and other hot spots all over Africa.

I didn't know that.  Are these operations that can be reported on and aren't?

12 a guy on the news won't stop saying 'pneumococcal'

13

Wow!  There goes that Presidential popularity poll sky rocketing!

Whoops!  I was holding my monitor upside down.

14

You people would have protested the Civil War if you were alive back then. PEOPLE ARE DYING! STOP THE WAR!

Actually Democrats did everything they could think of to undermine Lincoln.The Democratic platform in the 1864 election actually called for ending hostilities and a negotiated truce which for all intent and purpose  allowed slavery to remain intact in the south

15 those people on DU really do inhabit a separate reality, don't they?

16 This was inevitable among the denizens of the fever-swamps on the Left. Obama knew that his Afghanistan policy -- whatever it was -- was going to piss off a sizeable chunk of his voters. Abandon Afghanistan and please the hard Left, but alienate the other 65% or so of Americans. Double down and bring the moderate Donks and the GOP on board, but cheese off your most fervent base. What to do?

Obama knows that, rail and froth as they will, the Left will still line up behind him. It's not as if they're going to start voting for GOP candidates out of spite. Pissing them off really loses him nothing other than good-will, and he probably knows that the good will of the hard-left doesn't buy much anyway.

Still, I don't buy this (purported) troop-increase as anything other than a domestic-politics pander. Obama couldn't care less what becomes of Afghanistan -- he's only doing this because he blew off a lot of hot air during the campaign swearing he'd do it, so now he's stuck. But I guarantee you that this plan will have all kinds of landmines buried in it: those fabled "off ramps" and "exit strategies". He will give McChrystal ludicrously ambitious objectives, place impossible conditions on Karzai, and then call the whole thing off when his ridiculous plans come to naught.

McChrystal's objectives are to stabilize and train, not to engage and win (to his credit: he knows that the situation got out of hand, and he has to work with the situation as it is, not how he wishes it to be). The biggest failure of the Bush era in Afghanistan was a failure to understand that Afghanistan is not a sovereign nation in the same way that, say, Iraq is -- it exists on the map only as a convenience to cartographers. Neither its people nor its (nominal) government labor under that misapprehension. Afghanistan is the frontier, a backwater full of violent cavemen, and it has always been so. Any war-winning strategy does not begin with "civilizing" Afghanistan; it begins by simply putting a mechanism in place to prevent their madness from spilling out into the wider world. A smart US policy would comprehend that "corruption", in that part of the world, is simply the way things are done -- and have been for untold centuries. You're not going to change that behavior, and it is wasteful even to try (as we discovered in Iraq).

17 Well I'll be damned, Lyndon Baines Obama.

18 The anti-war movement has been exposed as nothing more than a get out the vote drive for Democrats and left wing causes. Which is why you see the old anti-war libs that hated Vietnam make a Saint out of JFK when he started the damn thing.

19 DU is nothing more than a consortium of cockholsters. Screw them all.

20 C'mon, like anybody at DU gives a shit about a soldier.

21 Serious people are studying this effort to engage our interests in Afghanistan, and it will take careful though to discover the best way we can be defeated there.

22

those people on DU really do inhabit a separate reality.don't they?

 

Jones is that a rehtorical question?

23 US is operating fairly heavily in Horn of Africa and it is open source.  Just not reported on alot.

24 Sam Adams, I was waiting for someone to make that comparison!

25

Karzai's crooked and vile government does not merit the death of one single American boy or girl, man or woman to defend it. He's not only not worth one drop of their blood, he's not worth shit.

Don't you mean President Diem?  Oh, wait...

26 I'm in favor of a foreign policy that goes something like this:

we will bring all our troops back home, and make foreign war no more. But if anyone so much as throws a rock at one of our embassies, we will bomb the city to rubble, and then we will bomb the rubble, and then we will bomb those who come to clear the rubble.

27

Out, damn sock!

28 If I may summarize:

SKREEEEE! SKREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!

29 I'm surprised they haven't started accusing each other of being racist yet for disagreeing with Obama.

30

Blue on blue at its finest!

Snort . . . chuckle

31 Those posts just reflect the generally stupid nature of the Kos kids and DU in general.

I especially like a young douche-bag talking about Vietnam like he actually knew what he was talking about.

The ones who support sending troops do it because Bambi says he will send them. The ones against sending troops are the honest idiots.

What they are all missing is that Bambi has no intention of sending all these troops. They will go over in dribs and drabs to be shot while he looks for the off ramp.

32

As repulsive as this is, one-third of the country thinks that way.

33 Jones is that a rehtorical question?

yeah, I guess so
what's frightening is that the people who post that shit at DU are absolutely convinced they are brilliant

34 Actually Democrats did everything they could think of to undermine Lincoln.

Yep. Read up on the Copperhead movement. There was a time when George McClellan, at one time the senior general of the Union Army, was bruited as the Democrat contender against Lincoln in the 1964 Presidential election. He was never a great admirer of Lincoln (once referring to him as "the original gorilla", and often lamenting Lincoln's supposed dullness in his letters to his wife).

However, Secretary of War Edwin Stanton, as staunch a Democrat as ever lived, became a close supporter and friend of Lincoln. And many fine US Army officers were Democrats.

35 "liquid diamond" shows some potential for wising up.

36

Posted by: Jones at November 25, 2009 12:36 PM (JL3qV)

fuck that, they actually get to vote

37 Gee, I guess some of these guys didn't really believe the "war of necessity" bullshit that "The One" was spouting. Either that, or they knew, like many of us knew, that Obama really didn't believe it.

38 Habba babba! Habba babba babba habba babba.

Habba.

Babba.

39

Ball-dippingly Good

I figured you'd say "boob-dippingly good."

40 I wonder how many of those DU/Kos posters getting called chickenhawks have used the same bogus argument in fights with supporters of the war in Iraq. 

I wonder if they can even understand the irony.

41 Nipple dipping is always encouraged.

42 Let me be clear:  my only strategery is to get a second term.

43

Posted by: Monty at November 25, 2009 12:37 PM (4Pleu)

yep and believe it or not Lincoln was a pretty unpopular guy who was heading towards defeat a month before re-election, but the union began their winning streak towards victory & as the war progressed better for the union so did public sentiment of Lincoln & before you knew it Lincoln was popular & re-elected w/ 56% of the vote which today (the mid to late 1800s were even more polarizing then today) would be like getting 60% of the vote, he also only lost 3 states, 1 bordering the confederates that threaten to leave (Kentucky), Delaware, & New Jersey (his opponent's home state)

44

 military warfare

MILITARY warfare?

Military warfare?!?!?

45 I should also point out that the relative ideologies of both the GOP and the Democrats are vastly different than they were in the Civil War years, so dont mistake the political affiliations of that time with those of the current time. Example: until the 1950's or so, black communities regularly voted for the GOP (mainly out of affection for Lincoln). But the 1960's "Great Society" -- a cynical plan hatched by the New Left -- drew blacks and other minorities into the Democrat fold, where they have remained ever since. The South more generally, which was solidly Democrat from Reconstruction through the Reagan era, turned to the GOP when the Democratic party lurched to the left.

46 So being a coward is a reason to protest a war? That seems to be the mindset. I'm afraid to fight, so the fight is wrong. Whatever rationalization works, I guess.

47 Ok, let me ask.

I see the KoS crowd is whimpering up a storm but what about the other hardcore left wing zealot sites......LGF for instance.

I'm sure there will be very similar remarks.

48

Military warfare?!?!?

Posted by: Entropy at November 25, 2009 12:44 PM (IsLT6)

I stumbled over that, too. Then I remembered Lawfare. So, yeah.

49 rationizin?

Quiet, he's on a roll.

50

Where oh where is General Gleen?

51 new sockie

52 I would think they'd be thrilled. The Obamatollah is leaving even more troops out to dry. Higher levels would have risked success (well, 'success' in our understanding of the term).

An important goal is to damage recruiting for decades to come.

53

I am sure they have alot of military commentors that are more than willing to go fight in Afghanistan while protesting the war.

/

54 The new Affirmative Action policies at the service academies should go a long way to whacking the military as well. I hear you'll be able to get in with a public school C average if you have the Correct pigmentation.

55 Maybe a few more loons will be encouraged to support ($ & votes) a more liberal candidate in the various 2010 races.  Definitely making it less risky for GOP candidates to move further Right. Sounds like a win-win to me.

56 Summon the popcorns!

57 They have self-affirming labels ("Donating member", +100000 posts) to qualify their drivel and sort the pack. That says so much about the left in about 16 characters.

58

As sure as the sun will rise tomorrow, the great rationizing cometh.

There will be one hellova hullabaloo here of rationalizers when President Barack Obama tells the nation that he has decided to escalate even further into the Bush/Cheney failed folly

Actually, this is an interesting admission on the part of a Leftist.

I've claimed repeatedly that leftwing politics is primarily about the acquisition of power, nothing more. The left worked hard to elect Obama, but before that made a pacifist stance its primary purity test. For an example, see Lieberman.

If the majority of them endorse Obama's escalation, they've reputiated everything they've been *publicly* arguing for the last 8 years. Hell, a majority of the left seems to be troofers anyway, so why the heck should they be supporting the war in Afghanistan?

59 This has all the class and sophistication of a 3 Stooges pie fight.

60 Hey, just think. If one of those 36,000 troops Obama sends captures a Taliban and tosses his Koran on the ground while searching him, then you will have your new My Lai. Then Katie will become the next Walter.

61 I would think they'd be thrilled. The Obamatollah is leaving even more troops out to dry. Higher levels would have risked success (well, 'success' in our understanding of the term).

An important goal is to damage recruiting for decades to come.

Posted by: t-bird at November 25, 2009 12:54 PM (FcR7P)

I remember one common argument by the Left during the Bush years was that undermining the war effort was a positive good beyond just sabotaging Bush's election efforts, because it would also make America less likely to try and fight in a war in the future.

62 We can hit the corporations making money off the war with a windfall profits tax and use that to fund healthcare.

63

Monty

The original civil rights movement in the south was church based and family orientated with very mainstream American values.But in the 1960's it moved into northern cities and was hijacked by militant pro-communist unions

64 """It will now be Obama's War. It didn't have to be."""


Hey assmunch, it was obama's war the minute he became the commander in chief.

65

Part of me feels guilty for even thinking this, but it seems as though some of my countrymen would like to facilitate a replay of 9/11/2001.

Thankfully, many others don't.

66 ha ha ha.

being a lefty means never having to be consistent, or say you're sorry

what a bunch of idiots

67

LOFL.

How could you miss this one?

"We control the world supply of opium. We'll never leave afghanistan"

NO BLOOD FOR HEROINE!

68 Can anyone recommend a suitable lotion for my ball chapping?

69 Wow, I thought "chickenhawk" was gone forever after McCain and Barry became theire party's nominees.  Time to fire up your camcorder and head to your local college to interview the Youg Democrats when they'll be enlisting.

70 They have self-affirming labels ("Donating member", +100000 posts) to qualify their drivel and sort the pack. That says so much about the left in about 16 characters.

That's one thing I have noticed about the lefties I talk to.  The easy swiftness of assigning labels to everything.  And once the label is stuck, there's no letting it go.

71 65

Part of me feels guilty for even thinking this, but it seems as though some of my countrymen would like to facilitate a replay of 9/11/2001.

Thankfully, many others don't.

Posted by: FireHorse at November 25, 2009 01:06 PM (Vl5GH)

If it would further their political goals, they would welcome it. Just don't question their patriotism.

72 NO BLOOD FOR HEROINE!

I thought I was a heroine.

73 That's one thing I have noticed about the lefties I talk to.  The easy swiftness of assigning labels to everything.  And once the label is stuck, there's no letting it go.

Posted by: CUS at November 25, 2009 01:09 PM (DEmcc)

When you view what we call reality as rather malleable, as the Left does, this comes naturally. Names and labels stick harder because they believe that they are making them true by using them.

74 You dare have a Smedley Butler avatar

Wipe that avatar off your profile.

BWAHAHAHAHA!!!
What a bunch of chattering frickin panzies... LOL~~~ Love it!

In the end - EVERYBODY is gonna hate the Teleprompter Jesus!

75 Obama knows that, rail and froth as they will, the Left will still line up behind him. It's not as if they're going to start voting for GOP candidates out of spite. Pissing them off really loses him nothing other than good-will, and he probably knows that the good will of the hard-left doesn't buy much anyway.

Monty,
No they won't vote for the GOP - but these are the same people who, after fervently and passionately pouring their entire soul and being into electing Obama, now turn around and say  "Meh - he was the lesser of two evils."  YEAH RIGHT that's why you took out a friggin SECOND MORTGAGE to give to the Obama campaign!  They don't inhabit reality or any sense of consistency or continuity.  Whatever they feel when they wake up in the morning they invent a new rationalization for it.

76

Charles Gibson at November 25, 2009 12:33 PM (2ajJo)

Wrong, wrong, wrong. Charlie doesn't know who Diem was. Nor would he know who Karzai is. Obviously, this is a false Charlie.

77

They have self-affirming labels ("Donating member", +100000 posts)

yeah...thought taht was pretty odd and revealing myself.

78

If it would further their political goals, they would welcome it. Just don't question their patriotism.

Posted by: Jim in San Diego at November 25, 2009 01:12 PM (H7Rlw)

If someone did this [9/11] to get back at Bush, then they did so by killing thousands of people who DID NOT VOTE for him! Boston, New York, D.C., and the planes' destination of California -- these were places that voted AGAINST Bush!"

79

From the DUmmie's comments:  It's taken him weeks to think this decision through. Be grateful we have a president that actually thinks!

And yet, after all that time "thinking", he came up with the exact same answer as the idiot Bush.  Whaddya know about that, huh?

80

Part of me feels guilty for even thinking this, but it seems as though some of my countrymen would like to facilitate a replay of 9/11/2001.

Did you see "the lawyer" on O'reilly the other night?

81

I thought I was a heroine


 Yeah right fly girl,try being the main entre at a French BBQ and get back to me

82 but it seems as though some of my countrymen would like to facilitate a replay of 9/11/2001.

Of course they would, if only to extend their political capital and their faux righteousness and outrage. They don't give a shit. Hell, I'd be willing to bet that they wouldn't bat an eye if a state in the middle of the country was nuked by a terrorist. Think about it, how many leftists really gave a fuck about Oklahoma City, until they found out it was what they surmised as a right wing extremist. They gave fucking millions to the survivors of the World Trade center, but Okie city? Not so fucking much. Fuck-em-all! The evil I want to inflict on these fucks knows no bounds.

83 Today's Top Story: Bitter disagreements over a moderate Republican in NY-23 leads to a Republican civil war.

In other news: Liberals support Obama overwhelmingly.

84

In the 20th and 21st century:

Major Wars started by Republican Presidents: Gulf War I, Gulf War II, Afghanistan. Total US death toll: roughly 5-6 thousand

Major wars started by Democrats: WWI, WWII, Korea, Vietnam. Total US death toll: Half a million or thereabouts.

 

85 Of course they would, if only to extend their political capital and their faux righteousness and outrage. They don't give a shit. Hell, I'd be willing to bet that they wouldn't bat an eye if a state in the middle of the country was nuked by a terrorist. Think about it, how many leftists really gave a fuck about Oklahoma City, until they found out it was what they surmised as a right wing extremist. They gave fucking millions to the survivors of the World Trade center, but Okie city? Not so fucking much. Fuck-em-all! The evil I want to inflict on these fucks knows no bounds.

Posted by: Wonder Woman at November 25, 2009 01:19 PM (nxUYP)

Middle America? Screw Them.

86 Damn sock. And here I was all passionate and stuff.

87

They shouldn't be able to send you unless you believe in the stated mission enough to volunteer for that specific tour of duty.

They volunteered knowing that they would have to go where ever they were to be sent.

88

Monty's speaks volumes re: Shitganistan. It's entirely different than Iraq and there's nothing and nobody there worth fighting for. Personally I wouldn't put one solder in harm's way for any Pashtun province and I'd make it clear as hell that if one of their Taliban assholes so much as shares a yurt with any AQ, I'd Napalm every poppy in Central Asia.

They want to live in the 6th century I'd let 'em. Just keep their loonies contained or wear asbestos underwear.

89
YRM, you're right about the election. Also, Lincoln made damn sure that the Union troops made it to polls to vote, since they were heavily in favor of his re-election. And we didn't have the 19th Amendment gumming up the works, so the soldiers' vote meant a lot more to the election results than it would nowadays.

90 It's entirely different than Iraq and there's nothing and nobody there worth fighting for.

Umm...remember us?

91

Major wars started by Democrats: WWI, WWII, Korea, Vietnam. Total US death toll: Half a million or thereabouts.

 Posted by: Tushar at November 25, 2009 01:20 PM (DRC3Q)

Actually, one of the great ironies of WWII is that Wilkie was the interventionist candidate in the 1940 election, not FDR. In fact, FDR claimed Wilkie planned on sending American boys to die in European wars.

Of course in 1940 FDR had already started a "secret", "illegal" war in the Atlantic, attacking German subs.

92 Why can't we keep the oil and opium?

93 Posted by: spongeworthy at November 25, 2009 01:23 PM (rplL3)

Yeah, like any politician has the balls to do what's right. Bush was close, but even he missed the ball on Afshittistan.

94 Why can't we keep the oil and opium?

Lest we forget, Opium does do some good without all that heroin chic.

95 I'd make it clear as hell that if one of their Taliban assholes so much as shares a yurt with any AQ, I'd Napalm every poppy in Central Asia.

They want to live in the 6th century I'd let 'em. Just keep their loonies contained or wear asbestos underwear.

Posted by: spongeworthy at November 25, 2009 01:23 PM (rplL3)

No one believes that the US would in fact engage in retributive actions along those lines. Seriously, think of the every media orgy about civilian deaths and prisoner abuse that has come up. Now imagine if the media outrage was based on something tangible and not AQ propaganda or Lynndie England sex tapes.

96

 I will continue arguing, as you do, that war is not peace, and does not secure peace. Escalation is wrong.

It's true that war is not peace but I'm not speaking German or Japenese either.

So either war secures peace or it does not.

97 Umm...remember us?

Posted by: 9/11 Victims at November 25, 2009 01:24 PM (F+U5/)

No...should I?

98 Uuuhhh, no I didn't click on the link that looks like this *.

99

#90: Better than you, I'd wager.

I don't see the connection. The Taliban we're fighting these days are pretty much different than the one we overran in 2002. AQ is no longer a factor there. There is a great deal of truth to the assesment that the main reason we are fighting is because we are there.

This is not to say Pakistan can't use some help containing these cave people and I'd be all for giving them that help. But the idea of fighting to control territory in that toilet, can't see it.

 

100 More popcorn!

101

It's true that war is not peace but I'm not speaking German or Japenese either.

So either war secures peace or it does not.

Posted by: harleycowboy at November 25, 2009 01:30 PM (JKGfQ)

Anyone who clings to the historically untrue - and thoroughly immoral - doctrine 'that violence never settles anything' I would advise to conjure up the ghosts of Napoleon Bonaparte and of the Duke of Wellington and let them debate it. The ghost of Hitler could referee, and the jury might well be the Dodo, the Great Auk and the Passenger Pigeon. Violence, naked force, has settled more issues in history than has any other factor, and the contrary opinion is wishful thinking at its worst. Breeds that forget this basic truth have always paid for it with their lives and freedom.

102

Funny how they realize that when it is going to make Obama look like he is ramping up the War Machine, all of a sudden it is time to kick some Ass!

I also find it quite funny how the left can simplify everything down to.....

"No War = Solution" without any consideration for the future or how the geopolitical structure is effected. I wish they would just come out and say it....

"We have absolutley no real world solutions, so we if criticize our own country maybe the rest of the world will think we are sweethearts and play nice." It would make our culture war much easier to except.

The left has a serious issues with puting Compassion over Commonsense. They need to deal with that disease before it ends up eating them alive. 

See..I wouldn't have that much of a problem with taking a break in the Middle East, if we all understood that we are going to have to go back someday, completely control the immmagration situation in this country, and be willing to throw our Military Power around to keep the crazies in check. But until the left gets off the "Blame America First" kick, we will probably be better off attempting to produce some big results over there, and do it ASAP.    

103 Crazy, I'm crazy for feeling so lonely
I'm crazy, crazy for feeling so blue
I knew you'd love me as long as you wanted
And then someday you'd leave me for somebody new
Worry, why do I let myself worry?
Wond'ring what in the world did I do?
Crazy for thinking that my love could hold you
I'm crazy for trying and crazy for crying
And I'm crazy for loving you
Crazy for thinking that my love could hold you
I'm crazy for trying and crazy for crying
And I'm crazy for loving you.

104 It's always fun to see the Left turn on itself. 

105 20 C'mon, like anybody at DU gives a shit about a soldier.

They couldn't give two half shits about our troops.  These are the same people that wish we didn't even have a military so the money saved could be used to give them and their buddies more "free" government handouts.

These are the "people" that support late term abortions and even letting babies that are born alive be left to die in refrigerated rooms.  But in everyone of their other arguments "it's for chiiiiiiiiiildren", "Republicans hate chiiiiildren".

You can go to their site and read most of their threads on almost any subject and a lot of them break down into hoping soldiers come home in body bags (even if the subject started out about global warming).  But now they act like they care about our troops?

Choosing not to fight never stops a war.  It only determines which side wins...just ask France.

106 #75-

""They don't inhabit reality or any sense of consistency or continuity.  Whatever they feel when they wake up in the morning they invent a new rationalization for it.""


That is it in a nutshell, the total working of a liberal mind. The way I always put it is they wake up, see how the hair on their ass stands and then force the rest of the world to conform. Its always about them...always.

107

No one believes that the US would in fact engage in retributive actions along those lines. Seriously, think of the every media orgy about civilian deaths and prisoner abuse that has come up. Now imagine if the media outrage was based on something tangible and not AQ propaganda or Lynndie England sex tapes.

Posted by: 18-1 at November 25, 2009 01:29 PM (7BU4a)

Not if we napalm the media too, while we're at it.

108 Dipped, and goooood!

109 An important goal is to damage recruiting for decades to come.

Posted by: t-bird at November 25, 2009 12:54 PM (FcR7

The libs have already accomplished that. There was a report on the news recently that 75% of today's youth cannot qualify for the military. They are fat, lazy, or stupid. Sorry to sound so harsh but it's true.

110 The libs have already accomplished that. There was a report on the news recently that 75% of today's youth cannot qualify for the military.

Sorry but that's not the libs' fault.  That's our fault for buying kids X-Boxes instead of basketballs.

111 Eight years wasn't enough, I guess. I can already sense the keyboards clicking away with smug justifications for what is unjustifiable: the ramping up even more military warfare in Afghanistan.

It will now be Obama's War. It didn't have to be.

And I will find that rationalization sickening and disgusting.

Karzai's crooked and vile government does not merit the death of one single American boy or girl, man or woman to defend it. He's not only not worth one drop of their blood, he's not worth shit.

 Holy shit! That's an Olbermann Special Comment if I've ever heard one. He probably wouldn't say shit though.

"He's not only not worth one drop of their blood, he's not worth their steaming excrement." (cue dramatic turn)

112

The libs have already accomplished that. There was a report on the news recently that 75% of today's youth cannot qualify for the military. They are fat, lazy, or stupid. Sorry to sound so harsh but it's true.

Posted by: Bill R. at November 25, 2009 01:40 PM (EhlQq)

Hey, we are hard at work buddy.

At replacing that "or" with an "and".

113 The wierd thing is that according to demographic data pulled off their visitor data, most of the people going to DU aren't Americans...

114 The wierd thing is that according to demographic data pulled off their visitor data, most of the people going to DU aren't Americans...

Posted by: Christopher taylor at November 25, 2009 01:46 PM (PQY7w)

But we all vote!

115

@111

Surely....you have to know these people eat up Maddow and Olbermann. I guess that is what the problem is, when everything you absorb is focused on America being the enemy, it becomes very difficult to realize that evil exists in the world, and all that evil focused at taking the United States under. 

116 Sorry but that's not the libs' fault.  That's our fault for buying kids X-Boxes instead of basketballs.

Posted by: chemjeff at November 25, 2009 01:43 PM (F+U5/)

That's part of it too, but a major part is teaching diversity, green themes, and hate America history while eliminating gym class in our elementary and secondary schools. By the time kids come of age, they have almost never done anything physical. I know parents on my block that don't even make their kids do normal chores.

117 For fucks sake! There are 125 posts on the Thanksgiving recipe thread!

118 There was a report on the news recently that 75% of today's youth cannot qualify for the military. They are fat, lazy, or stupid. Sorry to sound so harsh but it's true.

Chill, dude.. "Ow! My Balls" is on TV right now.

119

"Afghanistan"-Never heard of it!

"War"-Never heard of it!

"Win"-Never heard of it!

120 I guess that is what the problem is, when everything you absorb is focused on America being the enemy, it becomes very difficult to realize that evil exists in the world, and all that evil focused at taking the United States under.

This is what I don't get.  They have such disdain for this country - why are they even still here?  Why haven't they moved to Canada or France yet?

121 113 The wierd thing is that according to demographic data pulled off their visitor data, most of the people going to DU aren't Americans...

Posted by: Christopher taylor at November 25, 2009 01:46 PM (PQY7w)

Why do they remind me of the Bund, circa 1939?

Nope, nothing anti-American to see here, we just want peace!

122

President Obama : "Some of those years in which we did not have, I think, either the resources or the strategy to get the job done - it is my intention to finish the job."

This guy just cannot refrain from blaming Bush for real or imagined problems. 

123 Chicken Hawk....aaaah those were the days...sweet young, firm, juicy chickens...

124

This guy just cannot refrain from blaming Bush for real or imagined problems. 

Posted by: polynikes at November 25, 2009 01:53 PM (m2CN7)

I am continuing to work to address the unicorn shortage problem. As you well know, our unicorn researchers were not given the right resources to produce enough of the skittle producing variety by the previous administration.

As I have always said, a skittle shitting unicorn is the right of every American, and while the naysayers continue to question this right I have my mop, and I am working on the problem. The road will be long, and the skittles might not always include lemon flavored. But I will get the job done.

125 For fucks sake! There are 125 posts on the Thanksgiving recipe thread!

Posted by: Samuel Adams at November 25, 2009 01:50 PM (nxUYP)

How many different ways could there be to bbq a turkey?

126 Twas the night before health care
And all through the house
Anybody got some fucking gin?
I wanna dance!

127 Twas the night before health care
And all through the house
Anybody got some fucking gin?
I wanna dance!

Posted by: Katie Couric at November 25, 2009 01:58 PM (f6ugW)

Please no more! I have seen sights no 11 year old should see!!! I'm scared straight already!

128

The left has a serious issues with puting Compassion over Commonsense. They need to deal with that disease before it ends up eating them alive. 

I got into a Facebook debate with some left-wing twit a few weeks ago who tried playing the "compassion" card in regards to social policy.  I sarcastically remarked that it was funny how no one knew how to practice compassion until the government told them how to do so, and went on to say that a simple human virtue like compassion doesn't require the coercion of the state--it's charity, freely given and not forced

The left's version of "compassion" is completely superficial, since it's based on the notion that compassion must be government-mandated rather than individually practiced. 

 

129 Kay Bailey Hutchinson want to leave the Senate and become Governor of Texas. I don't like her anymore.

130 122

President Obama : "Some of those years in which we did not have, I think, either the resources or the strategy to get the job done - it is my intention to finish the job."

This guy just cannot refrain from blaming Bush for real or imagined problems. 

Posted by: polynikes at November 25, 2009 01:53 PM (m2CN7)

The buck stops on Bush's desk.

131

The left's version of "compassion" is completely superficial, since it's based on the notion that compassion must be government-mandated rather than individually practiced. 

Posted by: David Axelrod's Combover at November 25, 2009 02:00 PM (/Pw+r)

Compassion must be coerced and it must end with the degradation and impoverishment of those for whom we have compassion.

132 Please no more! I have seen sights no 11 year old should see!!! I'm scared straight already!

Posted by: Katie Couric's niece at November 25, 2009 02:00 PM 

Come on! Let your auntie wrap these flappy arms around you!

Get me shum feckin gin! Dance party! I fuck old men!

133

#76 Obviously, this is a false Charlie.

Indeed, it was one of my socks (that I co-habit with many here).  Charles is such a useful all-round fatuous dickhead, isn't he?

134

Sorry but that's not the libs' fault.  That's our fault for buying allowing the kids to play on our X-Boxes instead of basketballs.

I suspect that 90% of those video game consoles were bought for Dad rather than the kids; the kids just happen to use it more.

135

@120

ChemJeff,

My belief is that most of the non-radical lefties understand the fact that the United States is powerful and a cause for good, but they believe it is unfair for us to have so much, and we should be the ones to sink our Aircraft Carrier to raise the Dingy, so to speak, all in the name of Compassion.

So instead of them leaving and having to conform to something they know it not superior, they feel the right to make us conform to their Idealistic Utopian desires, the whole "Your to stupid to understand whats best," routine!

I believe they have overestimated the reality of how much the United States is actually capable of helping the rest of the world. When ,in this country, your told since you were in kindergarden that you are "special," "there are no winners or losers", "faith is evil," and the "United States is an Imperialist Force," then your gonna have a large group of people a little lost when it comes to the reality realm, and I find that most of them are quite afraid to actually let anybody know how they really feel about the issues, it's all about image, and what somebody else thinks about them...You know......kinda like Childern!  

136

@135 was me

Ooops - SockPuppet

 

137 I kind of like the "donating member" stuff.  We should use it for the US in general.  If you pay taxes, you get "donating member" after your name, or at least "member forced to, uh, donate."  If you're a typical member of the Obama crowd, you don't.

138

Leftie mobys and concern trolls taking on the true believers. Mmm, mmm, good.

139 Chicken fucking is great exercise.

140 No one believes that the US would in fact engage in retributive actions along those lines.

Given enough provocation, Americans are capable of inflicting devastation that would make Ghengis Khan take pause.

141 Failed folly? Is Melvin Moronovich referring to the bailouts? Why is one "Bush legacy" okay and another not okay?

I wonder if any of these partisan assholes even considered watching the latest WWII series on the History channel. Not giving a shit about any of that, they certainly can't trouble themselves with giving any thought to a possible islamo-nazi problem . Somehow, they manage to get on board with fake moon landing bullshit and miss the forest for the trees regarding other conspiracies.

Hey, you stupid fucking pussies, choose a side and defend it!

Oh, I guess they have. 

142 Ghengis was a squish. He let people live, sometimes.

143 #96  Harleycowboy.  The military cannot say to the politicans to continue or stop wars.  Peace or war is up to the politicans. A good example was after WWI.  The French, British, and Italians grabbed a lot of land and placed harsh indemnitys upon the Germans. This opened the door for the Communists and Hilters Socialist partys to rile against the Allies. Poland was also created after WWI and most ot it was German land. The Germans were stomped on pretty bad after the war.

144 See?  Cannibalism can be good!

145 on top of all of the libtard cold the country has, we can't even escape the one during the holiday season.  ABC is doing a Xmas special with the Ones and Okra where we get to have another tour of the WH this year and hear how gret the One is.  To bad many Americans will be living a real life Christmas Carol story this December thanks to the master of the universe's inability to care about the economy.  At some point someone has to say to this guy - enough of trying to live in everyone's living room everyday and night, start living in your own and doing your job -especially when a majority of the country thinks you are shat.

146 Ghengis was a squish.

That's pronounced "jenjis"

147 "is this post a reference to all the HotAir bashing going on lately?"

Allahpundit is a thin-skinned jerk who deliberately trolls for traffic, he wears his Trollery on his sleeve. It's not what he says; it's the way he says it, and the way he mocks anyone and everyone who dares say he's a jerk.

148 on top of all of the libtard cold the country has, we can't even escape the one during the holiday season.  ABC is doing a Xmas special with the Ones and Okra where we get to have another tour of the WH this year and hear how gret the One is.  To bad many Americans will be living a real life Christmas Carol story this December thanks to the master of the universe's inability to care about the economy.  At some point someone has to say to this guy - enough of trying to live in everyone's living room everyday and night, start living in your own and doing your job -especially when a majority of the country thinks you are shat.

Posted by: x11b1p at November 25, 2009 02:46 PM (ejoAx)

Zeroprah times Zerobama.  Zero squared is still zero.

149 Allahpundit is a thin-skinned jerk who deliberately trolls for traffic, he wears his Trollery on his sleeve. It's not what he says; it's the way he says it, and the way he mocks anyone and everyone who dares say he's a jerk.

If people were calling you a jerk, wouldn't you mock them?

150

That's pronounced "jenjis"

Posted by: John Kerry at November 25, 2009 02:47 PM (PQY7w)

How's the treatment for those anal warts working? Oh sorry, that's your wife. Honest mistake.

151 Idiocy: is there anything it can't solve?

152 If people were calling you a jerk, wouldn't you mock them?

Posted by: koopy at November 25, 2009 02:53 PM (XllG0)

chicken or egg argument but I believe Allah came first.

153

How many different ways could there be to bbq a turkey?

I don't know about cookin turkeys but what i can tell you  is that free range chicken meat is alot more succulent than those factory bred chickens...if you know what I mean

 

154 "If people were calling you a jerk, wouldn't you mock them?"

No I don't think we're going to play that game. This is about AP, sorry.

He is a Troll. Plain and simple. He went over the edge a while ago. He's condescending, mocking, and generally impolite and arrogant as hell, and he's been that way for a while. Not in response to people criticizing them either. He's just ratcheted up the asshole level of his posts ever since people started calling him out.

155 2

"ball-dippingly good" - LauraW

... but is it hump-dippingly good?

 Posted by: Huckleberry at November 25, 2009 12:20 PM (s2bW4)

LauraW, did you hear Larry the Cable Guy on Hannity yesterday?  He said he was as mad as a hunchback at a limbo contest. 

156 Sorry, not going to buy for one fucking second that ANYONE over in the cesspool has any support for our troops.

Every single last one of them can choke to death on Satan's Barbed Cock for all I care.

Assholes, each and every last one of them.

157

Sure the libs are crazy, but isn't there a genuine question of what is the best way to proceed in Afghanistan?  I don't want to waste our blood and treasure on that hell hole trying to build a nation.  All I care about it protecting America.  Does that mean we have to stay there?  What is the objective?  What are the tactics that will prevail?  How do we avoid the mistakes that plauged invaders throughout history?  I think even conservatives can disagree on the best policy.   I am not seeing anyone who claims to know how to define and achieve victory there.

The bottom line though is that Obama has been exposed as a weakling.  He ran as a pro-Afgahanistan war candidate. According to him this is the "necessary war."  He appointed McChrystal and now he wont give his General what he needs.  That is offensive to me.  He's incapable of making a tough decisions.  

I only hope the General can accomplish his goals with the troops Obama commits.  I heard unsourced info that he really wanted to ask for more than 40k but knew he couldn't. 

 

158 No I don't think we're going to play that game. This is about AP, sorry.

I'm not playing a game. There are legitimate complaints about Allah, the Palin and Beck bashing for instance, but the fact that he doesn't just sit there and take peoples shit isn't one of them. You wouldn't, why should he?

159
> 11 Such as, our special forces routinely operate in Somalia and other hot spots all over Africa.

I didn't know that. Are these operations that can be reported on and aren't?

Posted by: HeatherRadish


Note #23.
Occasionally you hear about some hi-level guy getting captured in Africa. Or a missle/ac-130 attack in Somalia. I got no special inside knowledge, i just read mil-blogs and stuff.

you can read about it in the book "Imperial Grunts" by Kaplan. (and it's sequel "Hog Pilots, Blue Water Grunts: The American Military in the Air, at Sea, and on the Ground".) The US military has bases in over 100 countries around the world!

160 This stupid fuck Kenyan is gonna get a lot of peoples heads cut off.

161

I went over there once. 

It really scared the shit out of me, that there are people out there this fucking stupid. 

God save us from lesbian school teachers with menopause.

These people vote, AND they think the logic is logical?

WTF? Does ANYONE get taught history anymore?

162

Eat just a tad too much during the holidays?  Well, relief is on its way! Barry Obama is providing is personal recipe for holiday Ipecac.

Ingredients: 1 recorded episode of Opah/Obama Christmas Special

Directions: Turn on tv, cue up Obama Christmas special. Watch until obtaining relief. Repeat as necessary.

163 oops! wrong post. duh....

164

Cherry picked history is taught.

Logic alone is just a way to go wrong with confidence.

165 Sure the libs are crazy, but isn't there a genuine question of what is the best way to proceed in Afghanistan? I don't want to waste our blood and treasure on that hell hole trying to build a nation. All I care about it protecting America.

I agree. We have no responsibility to build a nation in Afghanistan. Somewhere along the line Americans have been duped into thinking that it is our responsibility to rebuild areas that we had to destroy in order to protect our national security and defend ourselves. This was because of too many people who didn't really understand the reasons behind Reconstruction and the Marshall Plan, but just took it as a given that we "have" to fix everything we are forced to break in war. That thinking must stop. Sometimes ... fields should be salted.

Does that mean we have to stay there? What is the objective? What are the tactics that will prevail? How do we avoid the mistakes that plauged invaders throughout history? I think even conservatives can disagree on the best policy. I am not seeing anyone who claims to know how to define and achieve victory there.

Well, loosening our ROE to make it somewhat realistic would be a good start. Unfortunately, we have been moving in the opposite direction, with McChrystal being one of the fools who was for a far more restrictive ROE, designed to police rather than kill. Even with his political ass-kissing in that, The Precedent still treated his recommendations as if they were babblings on a note that one 3rd grade girl sends another. And McChrystal hasn't raised much of a stink about that ... I have yet to figure out why none of the general staff have resigned over this ridiculous attack on our military that The Precedent is OBVIOUSLY engaging in (as the dithering was his strategy from the very start).

The bottom line though is that Obama has been exposed as a weakling. He ran as a pro-Afgahanistan war candidate.

His tough talk on Afghanistan and Pakistan was the only sensible stuff he ever said, but everyone knew that he was lying his ass off when he said it. His inaction and his strategy to bleed our military by indifference is no surprise. Frankly, The Precedent should be up on charges. He is clearly working against our nation.

According to him this is the "necessary war." He appointed McChrystal and now he wont give his General what he needs. That is offensive to me. He's incapable of making a tough decisions.

That's not true. The Precedent makes tough decisions all the time. Look at how he's been ramming stuff down our throats since the minutes he got in. The PRecedent made a decision about Afghanistan long ago and that decision was to dither and bleed the troops, there. He's been carrying that decision out and will only grudgingly allow the minimal number of troops as reinforcements in order to be able to stretch the pain and loss out as long as he can.

The Precedent has no problem making decisions. His problems are that he is as dumb as a box of rocks and that all of his decisions are oriented towards how to most harm the US. He has been very consistent in this.

I only hope the General can accomplish his goals with the troops Obama commits. I heard unsourced info that he really wanted to ask for more than 40k but knew he couldn't.

Posted by: California Red at November 25, 2009 03:10 PM (9K6fX)

The Precedent will put one road block after another in the way. He will do his best to scuttle the mission and harm our nation and military. The Precedent is exceedingly easy to predict. Just think of what would be terrible for the US and that is likely what he will do.

166 158 No I don't think we're going to play that game. This is about AP, sorry.

I'm not playing a game. There are legitimate complaints about Allah, the Palin and Beck bashing for instance, but the fact that he doesn't just sit there and take peoples shit isn't one of them. You wouldn't, why should he?

Posted by: koopy at November 25, 2009 03:14 PM (XllG0)

He gets garbage thrown at him because he's an asshole, not the other way around.

167 So much for Afghanistan being the "necessary war".  I'm surprised the 180 by those scum-sucking traitors took this long. 

168

Posted by: Jim in San Diego at November 25, 2009 03:36 PM (H7Rlw)

notice how quiet he's been today & the Ed bashing of Beck this morning sure sounded more Allah like, seemed like some crap from Ed to see if he can protect his boy

HotAir has gone to shit

169 He gets garbage thrown at him because he's an asshole, not the other way around.

So? The "he started it" excuse doesn't fly once you get past first grade, and it really didn't work even back then.

170

"Somewhere along the line Americans have been duped into thinking that it is our responsibility to rebuild areas"

Colin Powell.  Maybe not the original sin, but the one that burned it into the American consciousness.  If you consider he tried everything he could to derail Gulf War 1/Desert Storm, why not a poison pill, to make any future conflicts that much harder to support. 

171 Sure the libs are crazy, but isn't there a genuine question of what is the best way to proceed in Afghanistan?

That problem has vexed everyone from Alexander the Great to Genghis Khan to the Moghul Dynasty of India to the British. It's a tough nut, for all kinds of reasons. It's not know as the "graveyard of Empires" for nothing. Part of the problem is that Afghanistan itself is pretty much a worthless shit-hole, but it sits astride some interesting trade and communication routes. The old Silk Road from East to West; the Siberian-Asian route from north to south; the Hindu Kush passage from India to the Orient. It's not a destination for most, but if you're busy building an empire, you have to pass through there at some point.

Afghanistan is not a country. The lines you see on the map mean nothing to the tribes; they hold no love for (or even respect for) the "government". And Afghanistan's chronically lawless state destabilizes Pakistan (which isn't really a "nation", either). And Pakistan has a) a very large and restive Muslim population, and b) nuclear weapons. A chaotic Afghanistan means a chaotic Pakistan, and that's not good for anybody but the bad guys.

172 Colin Powell. Maybe not the original sin, but the one that burned it into the American consciousness.

Posted by: MDr at November 25, 2009 03:45 PM (ucq49)

It is hard for me to put into words my contempt for Powell. He's an idiot (not in the pejorative sense, but truly a stupid person) who has never seen a war he thought needed to be fought. His ascendancy in through the ranks was a pathetic shame.

But, as if his stupidity wasn't enough, he showed what a despicable, backstabbing scumbag he was when he let the Plame fiasco drag on and on, hamstringing our entire government over nothing. His support for The Precedent was no surprise to me, at all.

Anytime I hear anyone talk about "The Powell Doctrine", I bust out laughing. Powell can't think of any war in history that he would have supported. His move to prematurely end the first gulf war was enough of a demonstration of his lack of skill (in anything) that his career should have abruptly ended at that point ... but ... he got a personal Marshall Plan for his career. Lucky him. He repaid it with Plame, his pathetic tenure at State, and his support of the retarded marxist. Great stuff.

173 How 'bout that!

174

Posted by: koopy at November 25, 2009 03:43 PM (XllG0)

I agree "He Started It" isn't a good excuse, but he did start it so we have the right to throw it back at him as much as he throws it back at us

175

 but it sits astride some interesting trade and communication routes.

And the pipeline!! Don't forget the pipeline Exxon's going to build!!!! The whole war was for OILLLLLLLLLL!!

176 169 He gets garbage thrown at him because he's an asshole, not the other way around.

So? The "he started it" excuse doesn't fly once you get past first grade, and it really didn't work even back then.

Posted by: koopy at November 25, 2009 03:43 PM (XllG0)

Cause and effect works!

Are you really that delusional koopy? Try being an asshole for no reason to your boss and coworkers and tell me if that affects how you are treated in return. Assholes get shunned, that's not just in the first grade, that's life.

I can tell by your inconsistent logic that your only reason for being here is to bang on anyone that criticizes AP, or you would also blame AP for "starting it". You don't, so screw off douchbag.

177 I agree "He Started It" isn't a good excuse, but he did start it so we have the right to throw it back at him as much as he throws it back at us

Absolutely. I've been reading HA since a few months after it started back in '06 (if i remember right) and used to get pissed at Allah too. But like i've said, i think he's gotten more conservative since back then, although the Palin and Beck  bashing gets on my nerves.

178 I can tell by your inconsistent logic that your only reason for being here is to bang on anyone that criticizes AP, or you would also blame AP for "starting it". You don't, so screw off douchbag.

I was wondering how long it would take for you to pull that predictable shit, so read my comment right under yours and then go fuck yourself.

179 But like i've said, i think he's [allah's] gotten more conservative since back then, although the Palin and Beck bashing gets on my nerves.

Posted by: koopy at November 25, 2009 04:12 PM (XllG0)

He's gotten more conservative? Are you kidding?

During the election, allah argued that he was more comfortable with the Indonesian imbecile in the White House since, "he's got brains to spare for the job", as opposed to Palin being VP, which AP looked at the same exact way that the lame stream media did. "More conservative"?

And, for your information, allah still thinks The Precedent is a smart guy - as he argued with me when I took him to task for posting the idiocy that the Copenhagen Olympics trip had to be in the bag beforehand. I don't have to say how that prediction of allah's turned out.

Allah doesn't know what the hell he's talking about and he has misjudged just about everything.

180 He's gotten more conservative? Are you kidding?

No, i'm not. If you don't like him now, you should be glad you weren't reading him back then.

181 No, i'm not. If you don't like him now, you should be glad you weren't reading him back then.

Posted by: koopy at November 25, 2009 04:21 PM (XllG0)

I was reading Hotair back then. I have no idea what you're talking about. You think that a guy who calls himself 'allahpundit' but gets all bent out of shape if someone calls The Precedent 'hussein' (which is his name) is getting "more conservative"? You think that someone who posts one idiotic babbling by the brain-dead MegaMac after another is "more conservative"? Have you noticed how often allah has pushed the Frum/Noonan/Parker/Baby Buckley/Brooks/... idiocy on Hotair?

You and I must have very different ideas about what "conservative" is and how Hotair has been moving.

182 You and I must have very different ideas about what "conservative" is and how Hotair has been moving.

Guess so.

183 Guys, please take your beef over to the appropriate thread? This one's probably winding down anyway, but there may still be a little life in it.

184 178 I can tell by your inconsistent logic that your only reason for being here is to bang on anyone that criticizes AP, or you would also blame AP for "starting it". You don't, so screw off douchbag.

I was wondering how long it would take for you to pull that predictable shit, so read my comment right under yours and then go fuck yourself.

Posted by: koopy at November 25, 2009 04:14 PM (XllG0)

Just because lots of people tell you to screw off, doesn't mean it's predictable. Are you going to now say "I started it", just remember that excuse hasn't worked since the first grade.

185 Just because lots of people tell you to screw off, doesn't mean it's predictable. Are you going to now say "I started it", just remember that excuse hasn't worked since the first grade.

I'll try to explain this slowly for you dipshit. The predictability of your comment is saying i'm just here to stick up for Allah, it's exactly what a person who would whine "he started it" would say. And since you obviously didn't understand my original point, i'll try one more time. It doesn't matter who started it, Allah doesn't have to sit there and take peoples shit anymore than people have to take his. So quit whining  about him talking back to you. But feel free to continue obsessing on him like an infatuated schoolgirl, it's very entertaining.

186

"His ascendancy in through the ranks was a pathetic shame."

The perfect (liberal) storm - affirmative action and PC

187

Californina Red at 157 - "Sure the libs are crazy, but isn't there a genuine question of what is the best way to proceed in Afghanistan?  I don't want to waste our blood and treasure on that hell hole trying to build a nation.  All I care about it protecting America.  Does that mean we have to stay there?  What is the objective?  What are the tactics that will prevail?  How do we avoid the mistakes that plauged invaders throughout history?  I think even conservatives can disagree on the best policy.   I am not seeing anyone who claims to know how to define and achieve victory there."

Agreed, Victory in Asscrackistan is nebulous, vague, ambiguous, and hard to achieve.

Losing in Afghanistan, on the other hand, is easy to define.  It is anything other than Victory. 

Now, walk through the second and third order effects of Losing.  We open ourselves to another couple of decades of terror attacks based on our Paper Tiger image.  We lose another few thousand innocents.  And we end up with a major land war, somewhere, sometime, fixing a problem we left festering.  The Iranians go full speed ahead with their nuke program, then kick up their unconventional war against the Sunnis into a conventional war.  Maybe the Taliban liberates a Paki nuke and triggers it in the US.  The Pakis and Indians go at each other.  The Chinese end up owning Central Asia, in conflict with the Russians.  Bottom line, it's a bigger mess than today.  And eventually the madness spreads to our continent. 

I've been to a couple of war zones.  I'd rather keep them in other peoples' back yards, thank you. 

 

188 Couldn't we just save time, money and lives, and nuke them now?

189

Guys, please take your beef over to the appropriate thread? This one's probably winding down anyway, but there may still be a little life in it.

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Their choices are limited--gamely support President Kumbaya and argue that they're going after OBL (in the wrong fucking nation, incidentally), or accede to the facist, baby-killing, missionary-position-fucking, Jesus-loving, gun-owning, Palin-financing greedy inbred banjo-Gordon Gekko evil nexus, eat their pride, and support Satan's handpicked own.

Umm, I'm sure they can find a way around the deaths of men and women over there.

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