1 My LRRP Team would have been brought in front of a firing squad for stuff!

2 This is officially the end of ANY war story out of my mouth.

3 Why don't we just disband the military.  I don't want my son putting up with this kind of shit.  I cannot not believe this story.  I've tried reading it in 3 different place and I can't finish it because blood shoots outta my eyes!!!

4 This is just wrong.

5 So I take it that this is not the appropriate thread to post LOLcats?

6 I took direction from Seals and SF Teams in 'Nam and my team did exactly what we were told to do.

7 I don't think they'll get a wrist slap.  The wrist slap was the Article 15 non-judicial punishment.  They turned that down.  Now they are daring the military to give them something more serious.   Perhaps "daring them" isn't the right word.  But, true to SEAL fashion, they are risking it all because they believe they are right.  Good on 'em.

8 The Navy will let them go, fact!

9 Posted by: 'Nam Grunt

My Papa Smurf in my second combat tour was 173rd ABN in Vietnam.

He was the one who gave me my witty nickname that I keep even though I creep myself out some days.

10 Since when is pointing out Allahpundit's douchebaggery considered a "red on red" any more than pounding on Charles Johnson or Andrew Sullivan is considered attacking a fellow conservative?

11 I can't help but notice Allah really enjoys hating on Glen Beck. I am not a huge Beck supporter but jeez the guy does deserve some credit with his focus on acorn.

12 Odd, they get a Military Tribunal and KSM gets a civil trial.

13 If SEALs were roughing up prisoners for sport, that would be one thing. But there's no indication that was at work here, and I have a very hard time believing that highly disciplined and motivated troops like that would stoop to that.

14
The dereliction of duty charge is the kiss of death for any military career let alone spec ops.Even if cleared of the charges the stain will linger and mean their chances of promotion or rising to positions of leadership are nil.

15 9,

I was 173rd Airborne Bde LRRP's 1st tour and instructor at Bien Hoa LRRP Academy.

16 8 The Navy will let them go, fact!
Posted by: 'Nam Grunt at November 24, 2009 07:51 PM (65lJF

That is what I think.

17 Guess how many seals it takes to give a terrorist a fat lip?

None, he fell.

18 I still stand by my call for jury nullification and I think that is what these guys were thinking. They have a good shot at their brothers in arms making the clowns who brought these charges look like fools.

Cordially,

Uncle J

19 God forgive me for defending Allah but one thing to consider is there's a difference between analysis and what you really feel.

Based on everything I've read from AP, his most conservative trait is his desire to see terrorist die in new and exciting ways.

The fact that he broke the situation down and didn't simply rant doesn't mean he doesn't feel like that. It just means he's looking at what's going on and laying it out for readers.

Not sure why that rates a "beatdown".

20 Guess how many seals it takes to give a terrorist a fat lip?

None, he fell.




Posted by: JavaJoe at November 24, 2009 07:54 PM (Am6n/)

Yes Sir. He fell 26 times, SIR

21 16 8 The Navy will let them go, fact!
Posted by: 'Nam Grunt at November 24, 2009 07:51 PM (65lJF

That is what I think.

Posted by: nevergiveup at November 24, 2009 07:54 PM (0GFWk)

Don't bet on it. There's a huge portion of the Navy (and all the other services) that seem to consider the wars to be a distraction from the important stuff like building careers.

22 Allah should stick with the tabloid gossip column he's running over there and leave the military commentary to others.

23 I was 173rd Airborne Bde LRRP's 1st tour and instructor at Bien Hoa LRRP Academy.
Posted by: 'Nam Grunt

Well done!

24 Perhaps Eeyorepundit should just have a sex change and become Meghan McCain's lesbian lover. On second thought, he may not even need the sex change.

25 Don't bet on it. There's a huge portion of the Navy (and all the other services) that seem to consider the wars to be a distraction from the important stuff like building careers.

Posted by: XBradTC at November 24, 2009 07:56 PM (y0E9v)

Maybe I can volunteer to be on that Jury

26 But, true to SEAL fashion, they are risking it all because they believe they are right.  Good on 'em.

_________________________

This is my read too. I think one of the SEALs should stand up and say something like "Yeah, I punched a bloodthirsty terrorist in the face when I captured him. I am a bad man. Throw me in jail."

Oh and remember folks, there is no way this fucker could have bashed his own face on the wall to make it look like he'd been abused. They've done it before at Gitmo. I would not be surprised at all if that was the case.

27

It is a risk; a guilty verdict at a court martial is consider a conviction at a federal court for "permanent record" purposes and an article 15 (we call it "Captains Mast" in the Navy) is non-judicial...i.e. the Commanding Officers authority to try/punish offenses under ariticle 15 of the UCMJ. Depending on the type of Court Maritial, though...their guilt will be determined by other Sailors. I think they (wisely) are gambling that they won't be convicted by them. If I were on their board I sure wouldn't.

28 23,

1st LRRP's in 'Nam btw!

29 Allah should stick with the tabloid gossip column he's running over there and leave the military commentary to others.

Indeed.  But this will get everyone stirred up more than just his gossip column and traffic will get a boost.

30 Hey, in the nail grooming parlors of Manhattan , Allahpundit's a real badass.

31 The blogosphere seems to be filling up with these limp-wristed beta-male types, doesn't it? I've never read a single thing this Allahpundit guy has posted, and don't plan on it in the near or distant future.

32 1st LRRP's in 'Nam btw!
Posted by: 'Nam Grunt

5/87th INF in Panama
2/187th INF in Iraq

33
1) f*ck ap, MM needs to fire the shit out of that guy

2) sounds like the team called the referring officer's bluff about a court martial, and now this is blowing up in his/their face, hopefully some officer careers get ruined for blatant terrorist coddling and screwing over the troops now that this has gone public

34
If they agree that Courts & Boards is appropriate for a fat lip, what would they think about a Huey pilot low-leveling who decapitated a bicycle rider?

35 Allahpundit would fall flat on his ass at the starting point of a basic Land Navigation Course!

36 And it will be a wrist slap, I’m sure: The last thing The One needs after shipping KSM off to NYC for his close-up is the image of SEALs being hauled off to prison for busting some jihadi in the face

Allah is such an idiot. He constantly guesses wrong about what's going to happen and uses some idiotic line like, "The last thing The One needs ..." But the fool is ALWAYS WRONG. He doesn't understand that The Precedent LIKES this stuff. He lives for it. This is his strategy, right out in front of your eyes. Just like the dithering. Attack the US. The Indonesian imbecile doesn't care about how anything looks. He just laughs it off and goes on a trip somewhere to do something even worse.

It's really worthless to look to allah for any idea of what might happen. The guy is worse than a dart board. He has not a clue as to what's going on.

37 32,

I went through that comical jungle warfare school in Panama prior to deployment of my 1st tour, got my Mayflower patch tho'. HAHA.

38 Enough of this petty "not linking" BS.

39 19 God forgive me for defending Allah but one thing to consider is there's a difference between analysis and what you really feel.

Based on everything I've read from AP, his most conservative trait is his desire to see terrorist die in new and exciting ways.

The fact that he broke the situation down and didn't simply rant doesn't mean he doesn't feel like that. It just means he's looking at what's going on and laying it out for readers.

Not sure why that rates a "beatdown".

It deserves a beatdown for covering the PC wankers asses. He understands them, he damn near feels their pain. I will cop to being a little fired up about this, but FFS why help them emasculate our best dead tango makers?

Cordially,

Uncle J

40 I went through that comical jungle warfare school in Panama prior to deployment of my 1st tour, got my Mayflower patch tho'. HAHA.
Posted by: 'Nam Grunt

I was stationed in Panama for a year, and the only part of that school I ever did was the obstacle course, which was one of the hardest I've ever done.

The lifestyle of the Light Infantry in Panama made going to Jungle School obsolete. I learned more by doing than I would have ever learned at that school.

41 Allah's a dick, but I don't think there's any ill will here. He's picturing a cop who's going to take a few unpaid days and continue on with his career. He's never been exposed to the zero defects mentality. He don't know what he don't know. He's not rooting for this to happen, he has no idea about the amount of bf'ers that are willing to put the meat to the guys in the ring.

42 I can't help but notice Allah really enjoys hating on Glen Beck.

Of course,  Beck is unashamedly religious.  He isn't cowering in the corner afraid to breathe loudly like a decent religious person.  Plus, Beck is popular with conservatives, bashing him gets people upset and HotAir traffic gets a boost.

43 Ahmed Hashim Abed should have been immediately tried in the field upon his capture, and then summarily executed.

44 As per the note I left on HA, Allah is full of crap on this one.  If those guys honestly believed they screwed up, an Article 15 (non-judicial punishment) would have been a 'wrist slap'.  I seriously doubt there'd have been any other future repercussions.
These guys obliviously believe the military has over-reacted (the US military seems to go from one extreme to the other, just ask Maj Hasan); and are demanding a full blown general court martial.  In essence they're telling the military to shit or get off the pot.

Exit Question:  WHO is the numbnuts higher up who started this ball of shit rolling?

45 It deserves a beatdown for covering the PC wankers asses. He understands them, he damn near feels their pain. I will cop to being a little fired up about this, but FFS why help them emasculate our best dead tango makers?

Sorry Jimbo but that's ridiculous.

He's laying out the case as he sees it. Doing that in no way implies agreement with what is happening.

We all do it all the time on blogs. I've said stuff about the state of play of an issue that in no way reflects my personal belief. It's just business not personal.

Now you may be mad at him for not launching into an anti-Obama tirade but that's not what you did.

46 Eeyorepundit deserves mockery. Too many of his posts are either lazy, incoherent, or devoted to mockery themselves, usually aimed at conservatives. No surprise that he is clueless about anything as serious as the military. His expertise seems to be posting video links and churning blog traffic.

47 It's possible that hardcore political blogging will simply drive you mad at a certain point. It just naturally brings out the inner Howard Hughes. I couldn't do it for very long. But if I ever did it I'd at least jump off the ship before I became a complete dickhole about it.

48 It just naturally brings out the inner Howard Hughes.
Allahpundit has been keeping his urine in jars? And how can he type with those long fingernails?

49 Anyone see the correlation between these wars and 'Nam? I do and it's just liberal lies about our Military deja vu all over again, I was spit on at SF Inter. airport for Cristsakes when I came home the 1st time..... the guy has no teeth btw!

50 This was followed by a mini flame war between AP and posters on a thread about Bolton later.  Look, AP does plenty of good stuff, but in him I see a creeping elitist mentality.  If I could give him one piece of advice it would be to stop talking when he doesn't know what the fuck he's talking about.  I don't expect him to know everything, and I'd rather he'd not pretend, or take to moral posturing.  In this case, it's costing him traffic.

51 I have to echo Drew here and note that nowhere in the piece does Allah say that a wrist slap is what he thinks should happen, he just saying that he believes that's what will happen. It's just analysis, why shoot the messenger?

But of course, "I'm Manly! Allah's a pussy!" feels much more satisfying. Certainly more satisfying than critical reading and comprehension.

52 I must say watching allah get beat is kind of fun though. He's a smart guy, but an insufferable prick. Kudos my good man!

53 Oh Henry....

54 Look, AP does plenty of good stuff, but in him I see a creeping elitist mentality.

Posted by: Lazarus at November 24, 2009 08:12 PM (ycArd)

He picks good news stories, but that's about it. His analysis is basically worthless.

55 Allah is fucking pussy folks, I don't know why people haven't faced that LONG AGO.  The examples are in the 100's.  I have been calling him out for over a year.  This isn't even close to the most agregious example of his limp dick douchebaggery. He would like nothing more than to lick Meghan McCain's shitbox.

56 Critical reading. Try it sometime.

Giving the SEALs a zero-tolerance wrist slap reminds other troops not to do anything more seriously stupid that might be exploited politically.

Clearly implying that what the SEALS did was stupid to begin with. Sort of like Obama not knowing all the facts, but the police acted stupidly.

57 But of course, "I'm Manly! Allah's a pussy!" feels much more satisfying. Certainly more satisfying than critical reading and comprehension.

Yes, yes...you are right. It makes us feel so much more manly. Ass.

58

 They have a good shot at their brothers in arms making the clowns who brought these charges look like fools.

That's my question: what ass covering puke let this foolishness get this far? A known mass murderer gets A GODDAM BLOODY LIP in a combat theater and the guys that snatched him get a court martial? What the fuck are these people thinking? 

Can we relieve all commanders in theater and replace them with retired Chicago cops? This shit wouldn't happen then.

59  Allah is a c*nt and Mchelle should drop that POS

60 Hey beta males, how's my ass taste?

61 Having gone through the door once or twice, shit happens. I server 4-5 search warrants in a large city every week. I can tell you 50-60% of the people in the house when we go through end up with a bump on the head or a busted lip. Thats not form abuse that helping them understand get down means NOW.


I will no longer visit hot air, until Allah makes apologies for his comments.


This shit is serious to some very very highly trained guys (and expensive 3 mill a seal if not more) Any hash mark and they lost their clearance and are booted out. People like this we cannot afford to loose.

If nothing else the command structure just told these guys and every other swingin richard, kill the HVT's don't bring them in.

62 The mofo should be glad they didn't fire his sorry ass up, but then there's that!

63 I don't see AP actually saying anything against the troops, nor do I detect in his tenor that he wants these fellows prosecuted for anything.

64 I'd feel better about the whole thing if they tortured him, then bloodied his lip. It'd be kind of like a cherry on top.

65 51 I have to echo Drew here and note that nowhere in the piece does Allah say that a wrist slap is what he thinks should happen, he just saying that he believes that's what will happen. It's just analysis, why shoot the messenger?

But of course, "I'm Manly! Allah's a pussy!" feels much more satisfying. Certainly more satisfying than critical reading and comprehension.

Posted by: Henry at November 24, 2009 08:12 PM (szq8t)

I guess if AP were even that smart he would avoid offering opinions on subjects he knows little or nothing about. AP has a long and glorious history of throwing bombs, eating his  own and giving cover to 'the other side' just to prove how open-minded and fair he is to the very people that hate our guts and would get American's killed just for political show.

It's that exact history that removes my rational for giving the guy the benefit of any doubt.

66 Giving the SEALs a zero-tolerance wrist slap reminds other troops not to do anything more seriously stupid that might be exploited politically.

How many more times does that line need to be reposted?

67 I don't really have a problem with Allah, but I have to wonder if he's qualified to give this kind of analysis considering he was so off point. As much as I prefer new media and trust it over MSM, there's still a lot of guesswork that goes on without fact-checking.

68 Come on folks, that's just AllahPussy being AllahPussy..

69 I have no military service.

My bet:  SEALs give HVT a little slappy face.  Big Fucking Deal.

Then, Lt. Shitforbrains what with the Stick up his Ass and such demands to know if they played badmitten with HVTs face.

"He slipped.  Twice."

Shitforbrains then decides the best course of action is to ruin their careers.

70 It's just like 'Nam one day we are on the offensive the next we are told to stand down and become defensive so we picked a spot next to a stream and sat on our asses and read novels and took baths for the rest of our mission, it was great!

71 Drew M says
"45 It deserves a beatdown for covering the PC wankers asses. He understands them, he damn near feels their pain. I will cop to being a little fired up about this, but FFS why help them emasculate our best dead tango makers?

Sorry Jimbo but that's ridiculous.

He's laying out the case as he sees it. Doing that in no way implies agreement with what is happening.

We all do it all the time on blogs. I've said stuff about the state of play of an issue that in no way reflects my personal belief. It's just business not personal.

Now you may be mad at him for not launching into an anti-Obama tirade but that's not what you did."

I disconcur and at a minimum think he should have said that this was a chickenshit thing to do. He doesn't and seems just fine with this. I understand the whole detached observer just reporting the facts concept, but in a case where good men will suffer a wrong, it deserves commentary, not a play by play of the gutless move that could end their careers.

Cordially,

Uncle J

72 "I will no longer visit hot air, until Allah makes apologies for his comments."

Don't hold your breath, it would take Allah a thousand years to apologize for all of his asinine comments.  Bottom line, he isn't 1/100th as smart as he thinks he is anyway.  As another poster mentioned, his analysis is mostly shit even when he isn't acting like a limp-wristed cunt.  He directly UNDERMINES a good portion of the points that Malkin makes on her site all of the time.  I have no idea why she continues to pay this dickhead for his nonsense.  Doctor Zero destroys Allah in every way....

73 Giving the SEALs a zero-tolerance wrist slap reminds other troops not to do anything more seriously stupid that might be exploited politically.

How many more times does that line need to be reposted?

Repost it all you want.  It's still a fucking war.

74 66 Giving the SEALs a zero-tolerance wrist slap reminds other troops not to do anything more seriously stupid that might be exploited politically.

How many more times does that line need to be reposted?

Posted by: Soap MacTavish at November 24, 2009 08:22 PM (554T5)

You seem to act as this whole episode is nothing more than a parking ticket.

75 I truly am torn on this one. Do I believe the Navy sacrifices service members to avoid politicians (usually Democrats) breathing down their neck? Yes. Firmly. Even in cases where the service member has done wrong, because what happens is that discretion is forced out the door and the member gets more than in a non-politically highlighted case. Politics doth tilt the scale of military justice.

Having said that, on the other hand, there are rules, and regs, and they have to be followed at a certain point. And so the question to me is when that point is. Let's say that the SEALS roughed the guy up upon capture when he didn't resist. Minor violation, a lecture on  "hey, we can't do that, you know, don't do it again"--because maintaining an official position is important sometimes, just as is letting some things slide as long as they are not deliberate and willful intents to make one's own rules. If such behavior keeps occurring, or the member argues with you that they have every right to do so, that is what FITREPS/EVALS are for if the offense is minor in nature--as this is. If it's the CO of the unit that can't be controlled because he condones the behavior, the unit can be kicked out of theatre. That wakes people up and leaves a mark. If the entire SOF chain refuses to do anything, then another chain might have to--which might have been the case here. This is not to mean that I care what happens so much to the terrorist, but that the chain of command at some point has got to have an admission from those under its commands that orders are lawful and will be obeyed.

Basically, what has got to happen in cases like this is that there has to be an admission that even if the rules are stupid, they are not criminally stupid--lip service must be paid in the form of "You're right. Sorry, won't happen again." At which point it is dropped, with a "well, Boys will be Boys" attitude.  

If the conduct happens on the way from capture to detention, same thing applies--but a lot less slack is cut for repeated offenses. For, if nothing else, there is the matter of discipline and the right to expect a unit will not be its own COCOM and make its own rules. 

If the conduct happens after delivery to proper detention authorities, then there is an issue that has to be resolved.   

Like I said, I can see any and all of these now that I have a chance to think about it. Having said that, my first point is still there. I question the willingness of those in the higher parts of the chain to fight for reasonableness rather than pure legality, because by past actions I am not so sure. So, as I said. I'm all over the place on this one.

76 41 He's not rooting for this to happen, he has no idea about the amount of bf'ers that are willing to put the meat to the guys in the ring.

Correct.  It was a prediction, not a statement of what AP wants to happen.  Do you know that AP knows that "wrist slap = career ender?"  Or is AP under the misimpression that complaints like this are handled by the equivalent of the BPD brass on The Wire, who seem to let all kinds of head-busting get by?

And by refusing to link, Jimbo makes us go over to the actual post to see the part that he left out of the quote:

"I like Goldfarb’s take: “A fat lip? That’s enough to get you rough military justice from the Obama administration, but blow up the World Trade Center and you get all the due process rights of the civilian criminal justice system.”"

77 Jim, he's taking the opposite point. He's pointing out that allah considers what they did stupid. In effect, they deserve the wrist slap is what allah's saying.

78 What we should be fighting here is this insane notion of zero tolerance with fuckin' enemy combatants. And Allah seems to have bought into the concept. It's absolute bullshit.

79 Since when is pointing out Allahpundit's douchebaggery considered a "red on red" any more than pounding on Charles Johnson or Andrew Sullivan is considered attacking a fellow conservative?


I'm with Jim in San Diego.

No really, I am. I live in San Diego.

80 @72 I am, too, curious if the good Dr. will weigh in on this.

81 "He's laying out the case as he sees it. Doing that in no way implies agreement with what is happening."

Allahpundit:

"Giving the SEALs a zero-tolerance wrist slap reminds other troops not to do anything more seriously stupid that might be exploited politically."

That sure sounds like he is advocating disciplinary action to me.  He is also basically calling the SEALS stupid in a backhanded way.  Fuck 'em.

82 We should revert to the Rok's mentality in 'Nam take no prisoners, end of story!

83

I tired of Allahpundit's douchebaggery some time ago. He's moving quickly to being yet another "conservative" who gets awestruck in the creases in Barry's pants. Did he take the opportunity to mention his atheism in his post too?

84 You seem to act as this whole episode is nothing more than a parking ticket.

In a sane world, it would be nothing more than that.

85 71 I disconcur and at a minimum think he should have said that this was a chickenshit thing to do. He doesn't and seems just fine with this.

If you read the quote I pasted in my comment at 76 -- in which he says he agrees with Goldfarb's take -- you'll see that he does say just that, though not in those exact terms.

86

seriously, forget the bloody lip, forget the courts martial, forget ap, this story is about the navy

yes the navy, all men want to be a sailor and all women want to be with one

just saying

87 A uniformed enemy taken on the battlefield is to be treated humanely and even with deference to his rank.

A guy that hangs the burned corpses of your compatriots deserves a bullet behind the ear.  I guess a fat lip is the same thing, according to our new, improved fighting spirit.

88 @55 Allah is fucking pussy folks,

Go and read the Bolton post at HA.  He's ready to boldly get up and go to work everyday and DAMN THE GODDAMN THE KSM TRIAL ALL TO HELL!!!! 

He's ready to die, or be severely inconvenienced if something happens because Barry O and Eric 'Nation of Cowards' Holder decided to make NY City a magnet for every IslamoFag WhackJob in the entire universe.

89 74 66 Giving the SEALs a zero-tolerance wrist slap reminds other troops not to do anything more seriously stupid that might be exploited politically.

How many more times does that line need to be reposted?

Posted by: Soap MacTavish at November 24, 2009 08:22 PM (554T5)

I think Soap is saying that this line, from Allah, directly disputes Allah's defenders in this instance.  Namely, that they should face punishment (a wristslap, that does more damage than Allah seems to understand) and that they did something "seriously stupid".  By "more", I assume he's referring to the original act as "seriously stupid".

Maybe I'm wrong but that seems like a pretty clear reading.

90 I'm with Jim in San Diego.

No really, I am. I live in San Diego.

Posted by: pajama momma at November 24, 2009 08:30 PM (W2yhR)

91 At least Allah's metrosexual liberalism is balanced by Ed's northern sensibilities.

92 I'm out guys, getting ready to 'que a nice fat chicken for supper.

93 I'm out guys, getting ready to 'que a nice fat chicken for supper

AAAAAhhhhhhhh.  The humanity!!!

94 I disconcur and at a minimum think he should have said that this was a chickenshit thing to do. He doesn't and seems just fine with this.

Jimbo,

You have no proof of that. It seems you are letting your anger at the situation cloud your reading of what he wrote.

I understand the whole detached observer just reporting the facts concept, but in a case where good men will suffer a wrong, it deserves commentary, not a play by play of the gutless move that could end their careers.

That's your opinion and that's fine. He went a different route. Does everyone who fails to share your personal anger and writes a story differently than you would deserve a 'beatdown'?

You're going to be busy since the internet is a big place and not everyone is always going to be on board with your version of the proper take and tone on every story.

From your post...
Allahpundit posts about how a fat lip is the kind of reason we should ruin the careers of SEALs.

Again, there's zero evidence for that.

95 Time to hit the new thread, before my head explodes.

96 Bloody lip ... One of the main reasons that Iraq went bad was because we didn't turn Fallujah to dust the day the contractors were killed.

97 If there isn't a post by Doctor Zero or Karl on Hot Air...it's just not worth worth the time

98 Bloody lip ... One of the main reasons that Iraq went bad was because we didn't turn Fallujah to dust the day the contractors were killed.

I've always believed that the Tora Bora valley was sufficiently deep to contain and maximize the yield of a couple small nuclear weapons.  The world would've bitched, but they'd be done bitching by now.

And the Talibs would be keeping their fucking mouths shut even now.

99 "Go and read the Bolton post at HA.  He's ready to boldly get up and go to work everyday and DAMN THE GODDAMN THE KSM TRIAL ALL TO HELL!!!! "

I read it, and Bolton has a great point.  Allah lamely tries to say Bolton and Fred Thompson are "talking down" our security apparatus but that is not the point either were making.  Their critique was aimed at the OBAMA ADMINISTRATION, because they don't seem to have the balls or the will to properly prosecute a war or protect us.  I don't trust Obama to fight a war or protect NYC either.  They have needlessly created more security RISK for no good reason.  This is all lost on AP, who looks for any excuse to criticize the fighters on our side.  He should probably go suck David Frum's dick and get it over with.

100 Hell is other blogs.

101 Shit.  Sock.

102 "You're going to be busy since the internet is a big place and not everyone is always going to be on board with your version of the proper take and tone on every story."

I've observed that people resort to kindhearted snark when they look down and realize that the position they've been advocating is one foot off of a cliff. 

Seriously, Drew, you I do expect better from.

103 Seriously, Drew, you I do expect better from.

From Drew?  Seriously?

104 If there was anything more than a little snark about how funny Goldfarb is, I would consider cutting him some slack. In a piece where you catalog how our best will be sacrificed, you can't even fine the time to say that is a shame then I call BS. He may well have meant to, but he sure as hell didn't.

Cordially,

Uncle J

I promise to be my sweet, understanding, tolerant self tomorrow. Tonight, I would stay out of my f**king way.

105 Wait... Doctor Zero posts on HA?

106 Hell, if Allahpundit says, "Happy Thanksgiving" he deserves a beatdown.

107 90 I'm with Jim in San Diego.

No really, I am. I live in San Diego.

Posted by: pajama momma at November 24, 2009 08:30 PM (W2yhR)

Posted by: Jim in San Diego at November 24, 2009 08:35 PM (H7Rlw)

Settle down, Jim. I've got dibs.

108 I've observed that people resort to kindhearted snark when they look down and realize that the position they've been advocating is one foot off of a cliff.
Lazarus,

In my defense, I wasn't going for kindhearted but mocking. 

Either way, I'm feeling pretty good about my position, much as I imagine Jimbo is.

109 Hell, if Allahpundit says, "Happy Thanksgiving" he deserves a beatdown.

And if he says "Merry Christmas", he deserves crucified.

110

Fuck AP...seriously...fuck him.

Remember what this animal Abed did. He was the planner of the operation that ambushed a food convoy...yes...a food convoy...and took killed Blackwater contractors who were acting as security.

They then burned the bodies...dragged them through the streets where their bodies were further violated by more cheering animals...and then two were strung up on a bridge where the media dutifully photographed them and published the pictures for the world to see...

AP has ventured into DKos territory as far as I'm concerned

111 I've always believed that the Tora Bora valley was sufficiently deep to contain and maximize the yield of a couple small nuclear weapons. The world would've bitched, but they'd be done bitching by now.

And the Talibs would be keeping their fucking mouths shut even now.

Posted by: PETA at November 24, 2009 08:41 PM (h/zKr)

Yep. Something big and serious was called for. And you're exactly right about what the reaction would have been. Most of the world was amazed we didn't nuke someone on 9/12. Bush had a window to change the ROE from our post-WWII profile, but he chose not to. He never understood the arab/persian/muslim world, though he did as much as he thought was necessary - which was the minimum possible. Still, Gore would have been a total disaster, had he been in. I cringe even thinking about it.

But, if we had opened up in a serious and ruthless way, there would not have been these years of dragging along.

As to the nukes, we were all entreated to Pakistan and India threatening to incinerate each others' cities in a full-out nuclear exchange, not a year later, and then again. I don't know why we ever even tried stopping that. It would have been contained, would have gotten rid of the Pakistan nuke arsenal, and we would have realized how serious this all is and Iran and Borth Korea would have been dealt with immediately and without any bullshit. But ... we limp on, instead, and now have the benefit of the only America-hater to ever occupy the White House. Great ...

Allah thinks the Indonesian imbecile is a really smart guy, too - truly - just to tie this in to the thread.

112

Posted by: beedubya at November 24, 2009 08:50 PM (eYMin)

I got my face slammed into the cruiser cage at a DUI checkpoint for the crime of having a beer at a buddy's house.  Bled like hell. This fucker got a fat lip.

I'm seeing logical consistency here, and I don't lie it.

113 And if he says "Merry Christmas", he deserves crucified.

*brings out pitchfork

I say drawn and quartered.

114 Drew, how do you read the following line, "Giving the SEALs a zero-tolerance wrist slap reminds other troops not to do anything more seriously stupid that might be exploited politically."?

I take that as agreeing with a wrist slap punishment (and not understanding what that might mean to their careers) and as characterizing the original act as "seriously stupid".

115 Settle down, Jim. I've got dibs

yeah, I see how much you love me. Did you show up to visit when wiserbud came to town?

no

you didn't

116 Good Lord what a pussy AP is.  He has put up a post at HA linking to UJ's post at Blackfive that says  "Time for another Allahpundit sucks post."  What's the matter AP, can't take criticism?!

As for Bolton and NYC it is obvious that AP doesn't have children.  If he did, he would to whatever possible in every situation to keep them safe.  If that means keeping them out of NYC, I for damn sure would.

117 Feels to me like Jim is explaining something most of us (me, I'll just say me) wouldn't know, that a "wrist slap" for SEALs isn't trivial.  I don't see Allah endorsing it either.  If he's guilty of minimizing it out of ignorance, I'd be guilty too.

118 "Time for another Allahpundit sucks post."

Is it ever not time?  Why Michelle doesn't fire that city-bred, pussified blue-blooder is beyond me.  Look at their traffic.

119 Get this Frickin sock off me!

120 I know Allah has his defenders here, including Ace.  For what reason, however, I have no idea.  He's just another Charles Johnson (king dickhead) in the making. 

As for his comment about zero tolerance, what the fuck does he know.  Ever hunt and capture some terrorist asshole?  Have any idea what it's like to takedown this scum, all the while likely being in a place where lots of people want to kill you?

I don't, and I wouldn't dare to question those who do.  And I've seen common criminals get treated much worse than this for lipping off to police, as they should have.

Anyone in the chain of command who had anything to do with these charges being brought should be thrown out of the military.  Starting with the pussy who took the original call that the poor little murdering bastard had a busted lip and reported it, to the scumbag lawyers who are pursuing this.

Disgrace all around and it makes me sad for those who give so much only to have cum guzzling pussies ruin their careers instead of defending their honor.  Fuck all of them, starting with Allah.

121 "As for Bolton and NYC it is obvious that AP doesn't have children.  If he did, he would to whatever possible in every situation to keep them safe.  If that means keeping them out of NYC, I for damn sure would."

I don't think a guy with no balls who takes it in the ass is a likely candidate for fatherhood.

122 Can't Allahpundit stick with telling us about his atheism, and leave the heroes that save our asses each and every day the hell ALONE?

123 Feels to me like Jim is explaining something most of us (me, I'll just say me) wouldn't know, that a "wrist slap" for SEALs isn't trivial.

I wasn't military, but my father was.  He left the Army as a Lt. Col. when he was passed over for promotion for bitching about the quality of the training of draftees towards the end of Viet Nam.  It doesn't take much to fuck a career up.

124 "In my defense, I wasn't going for kindhearted but mocking."

And I imagine that somehow your acknowledgment of what I was trying to be gracious by not quite pointing out make you feel even more superior.

 

125 He's an arrogant jackass, but he's kind of on our side. Just kick his ass behind the shithouse and be done with it. Everybody should taste their own blood once in awhile. He's overdue.

126 Drag the little shit out in the street in front of the Iraqi Authorities and shoot him in the fuckin' head. Smile nicely at them, but say nothing. Walk back inside and shut the door.

127 I know Ace does not like red on red...

No Problem, this is more like red on fuchsia.

128 "Just for the beta male's edification, a wrist slap is a career-ender in the Spec Ops community."

What in the hell is wrong with people.  It's not a wrist slap if it's career ending.  A wrist slap is something like push ups, or a shit detail, or something minor that doesn't affect his career.  This is fucking obvious shit, here.

AP didn't say these guys were guilty, and he didn't say they did anything wrong.  But if they did this, they did fuck up.  I don't blame them at all, and I also hope they get a wrist slap in that case.  Military life demands discipline.  I want these guys to keep their jobs, perhaps even get awards for capturing this monster, but their commander needs to keep these people in line with the ROE.  It's just the way the military works.  You follow even the dumb rules, because it's the military.  And not punching EPWs is a pretty good rule.

Anyway, I don't even think the SEALs punched this guy... they lie all the time and the SEALs want a court martial for a reason (if this ends their careers, it's because they asked for this trial and are guilty). 

It's easy to bash AP, but he's right, and blackfive doesn't appear to speak english properly.  Slap on Wrist != career ender.  His bash only works if he redefines AP's idea of non career ender to mean the opposite.  Oh well.  No one's perfect.

129 And I imagine that somehow your acknowledgment of what I was trying to be gracious by not quite pointing out make you feel even more superior.

If that was cogent, I'd say you're a douchebag.  Since it wasn't, you're an incoherent douchebag.  Thanks for playing.

130 I don't think a guy with no balls who takes it in the ass is a likely candidate for fatherhood.

I'm sure that Bolton is not concerned for his own safety (he has the mustache to protect him) but the safety of his family.  Something you pointed out above that he is unfamiliar with.

131 "It doesn't take much to fuck a career up"

Understatement of the thread.  You think the corporate world is unforgiving?  And if you put your eyebrows REALLY close together you will grasp that the same mentality that has these SEALs on trial is the same one that got 13 people killed at the Hood.

132 Posted by: Basic, b v at November 24, 2009 08:53 PM (SL3qo)

I'm not sure how parsing this like a Clinton deposition is going to help but look at the two sentences before...

Even so, the fact that this turd got the Iraqi authorities involved may have left Central Command with little choice here.The last thing the military needs right now is another detainee-abuse headache, especially with some Iraqi pols already leaning on them about withdrawal.Giving the SEALs a zero-tolerance wrist slap reminds other troops not to do anything more seriously stupid that might be exploited politically.

Again, it's from the perspective of what might be going on in the mind of the chain of command.

My guess is, and it's just that, this was a headache US military leadership didn't need with the Iraqis, so yeah, they (the chain of command) look at it as a dumb thing.

133 "He's an arrogant jackass, but he's kind of on our side."

AP is not on our side.  He idolizes Meghan McCain and his viewpoint is a mirror image of hers.  She can't stand strong conservatives and goes out of her way to trash them like her father.  So does Allah.  He is on his own side and is a useless, condescending prick.  Sadly he can't back up his superior attitude with actual intellectual prowess.  He has been overrated from day one and will eventually destroy what Malkin has built over at HA.

134 So it's already been determined that they're guilty?

135 It's easy to bash AP, but he's right, and blackfive doesn't appear to speak english properly

If you're going to declare that someone doesn't speak "english properly", please be sure to capitalize the word, "English".

136 Just as a heads-up, Allahpundit is apparently stalking this thread and reading it to see what everyone thinks about him, as evidenced by his twitter feed.

On an unrelated note:
http://www.despair.com/somevedi.html

137 "Thanks for playing"

Well we have ourselves a real daisy chain of beta male defense going tonight.  I wonder who's going to be sticking (up) for you..

138 FWIW I heard Andy McCarthy on Levin's show tonight and both agreed pre-judging without the facts is a mistake (I agree with that too).

139 So we send troops into a situation in which the opening ROE almost certainly allows for the possibility of lethal force. In this situation, they capture a war criminal who -- at some point -- suffers a blow to the face.

Now, had the captive been a lawful combatant who surrendered, I'd be a little more concerned. But an unlawful combatant -- someone who refuses to follow the laws of war? The response should have been "tough shit; you deserve a noose and a short drop".

140 Well, I'd like to pimp slap him most of the time, but I feel comfortable that he'd rather have Reagan than that twat we have now.

141 Well we have ourselves a real daisy chain of beta male defense going tonight.  I wonder who's going to be sticking (up) for you..

Posted by: Lazarus at November 24, 2009 09:03 PM (ycArd)

Don't show your ass.  It's unseemly.  You come in here bashing on Drew and you can't even put together a statement.  Fuck off.

142
And if he says "Merry Christmas", he deserves crucified.

Naw. That's if he says "Happy Easter". For "Merry Christmas" we make him sleep in a barn.

143 The Allah-bashing comments are just idiotic.  Is it possible to disagree with someone who is fundamentally on your side without breaking out the pitchforks?  And not linking?  Seriously?  *Uncle Jimbo* (who?) not linking *Allahpundit*?  Grow up.

144 Pity this is on Ace's site.

145 Naw. That's if he says "Happy Easter". For "Merry Christmas" we make him sleep in a barn.

Ooh,  Ooh.  And for Easter we make him claw his way out of a cave.  I like it.

146 The comments bashing the allah bashing are just idiotic. Grow up.

147 The Allah-bashing comments are just idiotic.  Is it possible to disagree with someone who is fundamentally on your side without breaking out the pitchforks?  And not linking?  Seriously?  *Uncle Jimbo* (who?) not linking *Allahpundit*?  Grow up.

Make an incredible error of premise when you assume that AP is on anyone's side but his own.

148 "Again, it's from the perspective of what might be going on in the mind of the chain of command."

I don't agree, as if AP of all people could possibly speculate as to what goes on in the mind of real warriors. I would give AP the benefit of the doubt if he had some bona fides on this subject but he doesn't.  Consider this line:

"The last thing the military needs right now is another detainee-abuse headache, especially with some Iraqi pols already leaning on them about withdrawal."

That is AP categorizing this as detainee abuse.  He is also BUYING IN to the liberal meme that we regularly abuse detainees.  No sale.  This is another in a long line of pussified posts from the self-described beta male.

149 Well, everyone should be on their own side, at the very least.

150 What Allahpundit doesn't know could fill fucking volumes. He's a legend in his own mind.

151 Okay, Drew, that sounds plausible to me.  Yet, I think that he then agreed with that line of thinking.  Maybe I'm wrong.

Look, this is an area I'm looking to give him a break on.  Allah has always been pretty rock solid on the war and terrorism.  Just seems off here.  That's all.

152 MCPO, should we shoot him now, or wait till we get home?

153 The comments bashing the allah bashing are just idiotic. Grow up.

You're right.  His comments bashing anyone of faith and anyone who believes in something more than the systematic, but slower, destruction of our liberty are far more pragmatic, and mature.  Fuck it.  Nuanced, dammit.  Nuanced, I say!!  Jam it up your ass.  We're sick of him and his metrosexual approach to our kids money. 

He's the GOP and its problems, personified.

154

If all the fucking sub-human got was a fat lip, I'm inclined to belive it wasn't done by the SEALS..intentionally anyway. If they were so inclined, I'm sure they would have delivered a fuck of a lot more.

It's pretty fucking easy to give yourself a fat lip. Abed is gaming the system ...and laughing his ass off. He also knows that there are plenty of useful idiots like Kos, Charles Johnson, and Allahpundit

155

Don't color me surprised over Allahpundit's comments.  He's on the same schizo shitlist as Charles Johnson.

As far as crying over a split lip, this is another reason why men in the American military should just quit.  If CommunistCare passes, if 9/11 terrorists are taken to People's Court instead of a Nuremberg trial, if our president is pledging subservience to foreign royalty with his buffoonish bowing, if PC is more important than soldiers' lives, then they're fighting for the wrong country.  This is no longer a country that defends freedom, it's just another socialist state of slavery and theft, the very kind of country we used to fight.

156 You people who think Allah isn't on our side are nuckin' futs. He screwed up by making an off-the-cuff post on a subject in which he isn't anywhere near an expert, and he's openly taking his smackdown for it. Big deal.

And yeah, he's an atheist, so what. If all conservatism consists of is Bible-thumping, please let me know and I'll go join the Libertarians. At least they have insane parties - since they are one.

157 You people who think Allah isn't on our side are nuckin' futs. He screwed up by making an off-the-cuff post on a subject in which he isn't anywhere near an expert, and he's openly taking his smackdown for it. Big deal.

No. No. No.  This isn't about an off the cuff remark.  It's about a worldview revealed by a couple thousand off the cuff remarks.  Pay attention.  You might learn something.  Or in the alternative, go back to HA.

158 That is AP categorizing this as detainee abuse.

Ken,

Quick question...how long have you lived on this planet? If the answer dates back before 2004, then you damn well know of course this is going to categorized as detainee abuse by the left, the Iraqis and the media.

For God's sake that's what the military is considering it. One of them is charged with assaulting a detainee and all three are failed with failing to safeguard a detainee. What the hell else is it goin to be considered? A 15 yard roughing the passer penalty?

159 Most of the world was amazed we didn't nuke someone on 9/12. Bush had a window to change the ROE from our post-WWII profile, but he chose not to. He never understood the arab/persian/muslim world, though he did as much as he thought was necessary - which was the minimum possible.

Google the Algerian War of Independence (1954-1962). The French did absolutely everything except dropping nukes. They tortured, rounded up and summarily executed, flattened whole villages with artillery and air strikes in order to inflict maximum collateral damage, and put about 15 percent of the population in concentration camps. They may have killed about 12 percent of the population, too, but they still lost. As did the utterly ruthless Soviets in A-stan.

Plus, the French KIA rate was four times ours, and the Soviets' was at least twice ours. We don't even have to go back 20 years to see that the anvil-on-the-head approach doesn't always work. The Russians have obliterated whole cities in Chechnya but still haven't won, and their KIA rate may be ten times ours.

Sometimes the right approach is just really hard, time consuming, and expensive. We could never have gone all Sri Lankan on their butts, so there's no real point in saying we should have. The days of American-waged total war are gone forever. That's reality. And total war is different from counterinsurgency anyway. They're two different species of critter.

160

136 Just as a heads-up, Allahpundit is apparently stalking this thread and reading it to see what everyone thinks about him, as evidenced by his twitter feed.

...don't even read him at HA...why would I go to his Twitter page?

For that matter...why go to any Twitter page?

161

I quit going to Hot Air because of Allah. If I wanted to read Palin hating, Beck hating, Jesus hating crap I would go to Salon.com or Politico. I do not like Allah. I do not like Beta males and I wish Michelle would get rid of that douchbag.

These terrorists lie. THEY LIE. They are trained to LIE. They hate us and our military. Who knows what happened to this guy and I really don't care but I'm sure that he is a liar even if they beat the living crap out of him. He is still a terrorist and a liar.

Perhaps Obama will give him a czar job.

162 Allah's been blogging, and defending many conservative ideals (but not ALL) longer than most of you have been reading blogs.  So have some respect.  I disagree with Allah on lots of things, and I disagree with Ace on some things too, but they both have done a lot for the conservative movement and it would be poorer without them.  The quicker Republicans realize that we don't have to agree on every single thing to be members of the same party, the sooner we win. 

163 The worst part of this is it further shows a deep erosion of will on our part. Putting men on trial for just roughing up an animal like this makes us look weak. Think the Russians gave two shits what happened to Chechnan prisoners? War is as much about frightening the enemy as killing the enemy, and this ain't the way to do it.

164 "Don't show your ass.  It's unseemly.  You come in here bashing on Drew"

You know, if this was an argument about this pol vs that, or about this policy vs that you'd have never heard a word from me.  But I signed up, picked up a rifle, and flew halfway around the planet to defend asshats like yourself from some rather unfriendly individuals.  In fact, since my family arrived in this country every single male member has served in uniform.  Some for 4, some for 24.  So, in this instance, I feel quite comfortable calling a spade a spade. 

Drew is wrong.  HA is not NBC, CNN, FOX, etc.  It is supposed to stand for something, and that something is NOT political correctness. Defending AP in this case is, to me, a defense of the mentality that is getting soldiers killed for no good reason.

Tell me, how many people did you have to call after the Hood shootings went down to make sure your buddies were all ok? 

"and you can't even put together a statement.  Fuck off."

Is that any clearer for you?

165 For that matter...why go to any Twitter page?

http://twitter.com/Shitmydadsays

166 I'll say upfront that I don't read HA very often. I'll also admit to being mildly amused on occasion by just how vitriolic the posters here can be about Allahpundit. Let's just say I don't feel like I have a dog in this fight. However, I just did my bi-monthly twitter check and was quite amused to see AP relentlessly tweeting about how he is being vilified here at AoS. And ... um ... I gotta agree with y'all. He really is a limp dicked whiny little pussy, ain't he?

167 Great Karol, he's still a cunt. I don't care if he toes the line, but he can quit being an ass about it.

168 "You people who think Allah isn't on our side are nuckin' futs."

Really?  He is the first one to abandon ship at the remotest sign of controversy or trouble.  He has been willing to bury any number of conservative warriors the minute the libs in the media start squawking or when times get tough.  He is basically embarrassed by 80% of the Conservative movement.  I don't care if he is an atheist, but I do care when he starts acting superior to those who do have faith.  He can eat the ass of a dead skunk in hell.

169 You people who think Allah isn't on our side are nuckin' futs. He screwed up by making an off-the-cuff post on a subject in which he isn't anywhere near an expert, and he's openly taking his smackdown for it. Big deal.

Allah may be ostensibly on "our side" but he has taken enough gratuitous shots at fellow conservatives to get a big kick in the ass when he screws the pooch, which is increasing at a significant rate.  He's also not "openly taking his smackdown."  He put up a snarky post linking to Blackfive.

170 You people who think Allah isn't on our side are nuckin' futs. He screwed up by making an off-the-cuff post on a subject in which he isn't anywhere near an expert, and he's openly taking his smackdown for it. Big deal.

And yeah, he's an atheist, so what. If all conservatism consists of is Bible-thumping, please let me know and I'll go join the Libertarians. At least they have insane parties - since they are one.

Posted by: Rajiv Vindaloo at November 24, 2009 09:12 PM

That's BS.  AP has always been a squishy middle sort of guy.  And he deliberately posts critical articles about Beck or Palin or anyone he doesn't like just to get the hits.  He's constantly making inane comments and then getting all pissy if you disagree with him.  He's turning into CJ II.  And then there's his infatuation with Meghan McCain.  Personally I don't think he's on anyone's side other than his own ego's.

171 Allah's been blogging, and defending many conservative ideals (but not ALL) longer than most of you have been reading blogs.
He is a libertarian, so he defends conservative ideals when it coincides with his view.  That's all good, but not like "one of us"

The quicker Republicans realize that we don't have to agree on every single thing to be members of the same party, the sooner we win.
All good also, but at some point when the data is in you have to consider that sometimes people change.  Pretty hard to argue he is driven by his libertarian views as much as he used to.  Now he seems driven by emotion frequently, whether crushy McCain shiite or Palin dork social con shiite.

Which is fine, but Ace is the place, so I wish Jimbo wouldn't have junked it up here.  Ace has always been friendly with AP here.  More then he deserves, imo, but still.

172

And yeah, he's an atheist, so what. If all conservatism consists of is Bible-thumping, please let me know and I'll go join the Libertarians. At least they have insane parties - since they are one

...don't know what Ace's religious beliefs are..or if he has any at all...and I don't care....that's the point

AP on a regular basis throws his atheism out there...but at the same time mocks others' spirituality..it seems he is the one who has the biggest issue with his own atheism

173

Posted by: Lazarus at November 24, 2009 09:17 PM (ycArd)

Much clearer, thank you.  And I didn't get the idea that Drew was defending AP as much he was calling for moderation, which is what Drew does often.  I thought you jumped on him like a horny pit bull on a piece of pomeranian estrus ass.

Thanks for keeping my family safe.

174 He has been willing to bury any number of conservative warriors the minute the libs in the media start squawking or when times get tough.

Or when Toomey can beat Specter, the polls say so! stuff

175 If we lose Allahpundit, we lose America.

176 Did anybody go to the Hot Air piece and also check out the source article that Allah linked?

Yeah, even if he wants to deny Hot Air a link (???) Uncle Jimbo should have at least linked the original news source to give us all some context.

I do agree that 'more seriously stupid' is some ugly verbiage and I'd like to see Allah explain it or clean it up. He could have just said 'more serious' and left it at that.

On the other hand, these SEALs are also accused of making false statements and impeding the investigation. Which would have been helpful to know at the start of this blog-drama, but we didn't because Jimbo only provides us just enough context to call Allah a pussy.

177

And he deliberately posts critical articles about Beck or Palin or anyone he doesn't like just to get the hits

..sorta a David Brooks wannabe, he is

178 I went to your Blackfive post from the HA Headlines section (despite the whiny headline, I credit Allahpundit with linking to your post).  Your point about the "wrist slap" being a career-ender is dead-on.  It's not just a question of offending the sensibilities (ie: our heroes being scrutinized for how they bring a turd like this guy in or what might happen to him shortly afterwards), but on even a strictly practical level as you point out it's a tremendous waste of resources to essentially throw away these warriors and it ultimately weakens us. 

I find Allahpundit annoying, but I confess I read his post as revealing his ignorance more than an attempt on his part to pander to the Left.  'Seems to me it would not take much effort at all for him to check with someone with a military background to determine the consequences of a "wrist slap" before going off on such a naive assumption. 

I never read Allahpundit pre-Hotair.  I know he has a rep for being a great researcher but I just don't see it.  He seems lazy to me. 

179 Which would have been helpful to know at the start of this blog-drama, but we didn't because Jimbo only provides us just enough context to call Allah a pussy.

I've had enough context to call AP a pussy for a while.

180 I bet Allah wears snug little briefs too. I hate abandoning Ed because of Allah but it was too hard just reading Ed and not glancing at Allah's stuff. I had to quit completely. As Michelle says, political correctness is the handmaiden of terrorism.

181 AP is a "page view" whore and has been since HA opened its doors. He was funny as hell back at his own place but has taken on the adolescent behaviors usually reserved for MMORPGS like WoW. Lots of taunting and "smak talking" from the safety of electron land is the order of the day now.

182 Aw, hey are you guys vilifying Allahpundit, again? Stop that right now!

183 162 Allah's Charles Johnson's been blogging, and defending many conservative ideals (but not ALL) longer than most of you have been reading blogs.  So have some respect.  I disagree with Allah's Charles Johnson on lots of things, and I disagree with Ace on some things too, but they both have done a lot for the conservative movement and it would be poorer without them.  The quicker Republicans realize that we don't have to agree on every single thing to be members of the same party, the sooner we win. 

Posted by: Karol at November 24, 2009 09:17 PM (o4u0v)

Now do you realize how idiotic you sound?

184 "Quick question...how long have you lived on this planet? If the answer dates back before 2004, then you damn well know of course this is going to categorized as detainee abuse by the left, the Iraqis and the media."

Uh yeah, of course the MSM would categorize it that way, but AP is supposed to be on "our side" right?  You seem to think it is a good idea to accept the premise of the left and argue from there.  The problem is you have already lost the argument from the start.  I don't give a SHIT what the left is going to say.  What they think does not matter in regard to this case or the GWOT In general.  What DOES matter is the welfare of these brave soldiers, but of course that is not what AP is worried about.  No, once again it is about the "appearance of detainee abuse".  Well, fuck that logic, that gets us nowhere because we are constantly going to be on defense.  His post does just that.

185 "He's just another Charles Johnson (king dickhead) in the making."

I think that's absolutely ridiculous.  I know LGF kinda changed, but it was always hysterically sensitive in ways AP just isn't.

I don't really even know AP's POV on this.  If he really wants these enlisted commandos to lose their careers, then hell yeah he's out of line.  We all know he doesn't endorse that, though.

Charles Johnson is not a douche because of his opinions.  He's a douche because he is very dishonest and aggressively opposed to any real level of debate.  Allahpundit posted Blackfive's views on hotair.  He's not attacking Blackfive at all, even. 

I think it's ridiculous to have a zero tolerance policy.  I think soldiers should be given NJP for this kind of crap.  they opted out, and we don't even know the truth about this case.  It's OK to expect our SEALs to live up to the ROE. Yes, they risk their lives for our good, and it's unfair that they have to deal with this kind of trash without beating them up.  But they signed up for this.  I realize it's really too late for this to end well, but I don't think AP asked for that.

Comparing anyone to Charles Johnson is a really serious accusation, and I think it's out of line.

186 it was too hard just reading Ed and not glancing at Allah's stuff

Ed's shit sucks.  That place has blown since Bryan left.

187 Well, i know i'm in the minority here, but i think Allah's done some pretty good work since Obama got elected. Yeah, he didn't dial up the outrage for this post, but, the only thing he said he actually agreed with was this -

I like Goldfarbs take: “A fat lip? That’s enough to get you rough military justice from the Obama administration, but blow up the World Trade Center and you get all the due process rights of the civilian criminal justice system.”

Sounds to me like he's siding with the Seals, the rest is just speculating on what might be behind the military's decisions on this, not what Allah thinks about those decisions.

188 Some of us are a little more emotionally connected to the guys on the line than others lauraw. We tend to jump in with both fists, feet and all our teeth. I remember the contempt my father was treated with after Vietnam. I was treated well after my romp in the sand, but we can all see the left ramping up for Vietnam vets part two. Allah needs to choose his fucking words carefully.

189
I would expect nothing less from a pussy like Allahpundit.

Even his Mom thinks he's a douche.

Jimbo is right and Allahpundit is wrong (as usual).

190 The bottom line is, AP either didn't make himself clear or meant what Jimbo said...and yes I read the original post at HA.  I lurk there to read Ed and others and post once in a while.  Based on AP's posting history I agree with Unlce Jimbo.  This whole thing is tiresome.  AP is only there by the good graces of Michelle and as counterpoint to Ed.  He's beccome a broken record on Beck and Palin and it's boring.

191 Drew is wrong.  HA is not NBC, CNN, FOX, etc.  It is supposed to stand for something, and that something is NOT political correctness. Defending AP in this case is, to me, a defense of the mentality that is getting soldiers killed for no good reason.
Lazarus

It's ridiculous to expect a writer to express your personal thoughts on an issue. Allah covered it the way he wanted to. It was a fairly straight forward account of what he thought was going on.

I'm not sure why you or Jimbo think he has to express your outrage at the facts he laid out. You've gone beyond having to agree on an issue to now people think they should have their personal emotions reflected in someone else's writing. That's nuts.

Worse, Jimbo and others have attributed positions to AP that aren't supported by the actual words of the post.

If a writer doesn't reflect your opinion or outrage, you are certainly free to say so and not read them. It is not however a liscense to misrepresent what they did say or to impute postions upon them which there's no proof they hold.

192 Allah was great on his own.  Ed was great on his own.

Hot Air is where bloggers go to die.  It must be a management thing.

193 I went to a Seal Exposition at Little Creek this summer. I was treated to a nice view of Seals in Scivvies right before they swam a wreath out into the bay. They can do no wrong in my book, especially after that...

194 You know, the real solution to one of the potential problems may be that Title 10 I think its Title 10) needs to be changed so that not just one Senator can put a hold on the promotion lists, because politics has intruded upon the disciplinary system and promotion holds are an easy way to give the military grief. That will end part of the trouble right there, since the promotion board process itself is pretty hard to throw.

And I am going to have to say that I don't think Allahpundit is beyond the pale here enough to be demonized. No grand defense, just my opinion. He's looking at it from a political view--and from a political view was not really far off. But not having been in the military  (we assume, and probably assume correctly. After all, he could be a dog playing poker...), he may not understand the greater nuances at play. That then becomes the job of those knowledgeable to educate, not castigate, in the ways of the military (realizing there are many militaries, each service and service branch having a slightly different culture).

But, if we do so then we must address the fact that at some point if the chain is presented with a case sufficiently obstinate or grievous it has to act officially, regardless of if it wants to or if combat leadership demands otherwise. I'm not saying that is the case here--I don't know, and really doesn't sound like it. But I think there is sufficient doubt that the Naaaaaaavy is probably going to have to come clean with some details and not bury the story behind a cloak of secrecy, so we know if it was a case of sending folks down the river to avoid political issues or a case of "didn't want to do it, but felt I owed it to him" or, always a possibility, just one of those cases that someone has chosen to handle a certain way that someone else would have chosen to handle another way

For example, if the decision to proceed with Mast was made by a Nuke it would make perfect logical sense for me. Not saying I would agree with the decision, but merely that he would be acting well within the way he was brought up as an officer--and that the Nuke Navy has a record to show that its way of doing business, even if we might decide to take issue with it, gets results. So, sometimes the details and history matter, and who makes the decision matter, and it may be a matter of simply one's man judgment call that others would have made differently.

As a matter of personal opinion, this should have been handled very unofficially and heat taken, but then that is another culture I have encountered.

Having said that, the United States Navy can still kiss m....

195 Here's what I know about AP.  He stuck his nose in military matters where it don't belong and passed a judgment that he's not qualified to make.  He loves Megan McCain, and he twitters.

Sniveling pillow biter on all counts.

196 Hotair died when Bryan left.

197 192 That is an interesting observation.  He does seem to post differently since he started (blog publicly) talking about traffic, traffic, traffic. 

I still like him, but I don't appreciate him like I once did. 

198 I, for one, think this is great.

Maybe the next SEAL will consider this case and behave correctly the next time he captures a prisoner.

And by behave correctly, I mean I hope he double-taps the son of a bitch.

199 I think that's absolutely ridiculous.  I know LGF kinda changed, but it was always hysterically sensitive in ways AP just isn't.

AP isn't hypersensitive?  He's posting on his twitter feed about this very thread!  He is declaring to the whole world about how he's butthurt that some folks on Ace don't like him.

200 Ken,

Complain all you want about the media but the military is charging one of them with assaulting a DETAINEE and the others with failing to protect a DETAINEE.

What exactly should we call it then?

201 181 AP is a "page view" whore and has been since HA opened its doors.

You're right, but I have always assumed that his efforts to generate high-traffic posts are in response to upper management.  Ultimately, it's Michelle Malkin who decides what are acceptable comments on the blog (such as the infamous Purge of the Wookie) and also her decision (I assume) about the content by Ed and Allahpundit. 

Ed's posts are better researched, imho, but don't seem to produce much traffic.  It seems as though AP is shouldering that load.

Now personally, that does not excuse his mindless posts about "Palin the next Huckabee" and crap like that... but his readers need to stop commenting on those threads.  Thread traffic decrease => less bad threads. 

202 No Allah.  Not a good idea tonight.

203 Y-not,
"
I never read Allahpundit pre-Hotair.  I know he has a rep for being a great researcher but I just don't see it.  He seems lazy to me. "

This is incorrect.  If you aren't going to bother even figuring out why AP is one of the most crucial bloggers on the right, then don't cry that you think he's lazy.  I don't get this kidn of crap.  He is not LGF.  Hell, he's one of LGF's most vociferous enemies. 

AP is not saying end anyone's career.  This idea that he should have known that a wrist slap means career ender is just silly.  He clearly didn't mean that kind of punishment, and therefore he's not endorsing throwing away soldier's careers or any of that.

Allahpundit is just tremendously important in building an alternative to the bullshit media.  I don't even really care that he disagrees with me.  He reports a lot of news and is very good at it.  We need real news organizers like that.  It's not a minor thing, and it's something I am sure has helped blackfive and others quite a damn bit. 

Allahpundit self deprecates, so it's really easy to call him beta when he expressed the obvious opinion that soldiers obey their orders. 

204 Oh GOOD, here's a new Burkha Barbie for Allah to play with when he's not maligning the troops:

http://tinyurl.com/yby7o3t

205 193- I was treated to a nice view of Seals in Scivvies right before they swam a wreath out into the bay. They can do no wrong in my book, especially after that...

I'm sure that would make me an even stronger supporter myself!

206

.  I thought you jumped on him like a horny pit bull on a piece of pomeranian estrus ass.

..that line is sheer beauty and deserves to be entered into the AoSHQ Hall of Fame....or Shame?

207 Allah, you're twittering about how you can't defend yourself, but I haven't even seen you show up on this thread.  If you're not registered here, I'm sure someone can arrange it.  Hop in and explain yourself.

208 It is not however a liscense to misrepresent what they did say or to impute postions upon them which there's no proof they hold.

Posted by: DrewM. at November 24, 2009 09:28 PM

Well I read the entire post and totally disagree with you.  So obviously either you read something into I didn't or vice versa.  In which case AP did his usual best to muddy his thoughts to the point of distraction.  And that's just one of the many problems I have with AP...along with his habit of posting simply for hits.  

209
Complain all you want about the media but the military is charging one of them with assaulting a DETAINEE and the others with failing to protect a DETAINEE.

What exactly should we call it then?

Idiotic, politically correct, over-reaction that butt-rapes the laws of war.

210

 193- I was treated to a nice view of Seals in Scivvies right before they swam a wreath out into the bay

Ooooh...please tell this beta-male that you got pictures of those moistened, musclely glutes

211 Morgenholz -- no registration required for AP to respond here.

Why he prefers to titter (not a misspelling) about his hurt feelings is a mystery.

212 Morgenholz -- no registration required for AP to respond here.

Oh.  My bad.

213 Ken,

Complain all you want about the media but the military is charging one of them with assaulting a DETAINEE and the others with failing to protect a DETAINEE.

What exactly should we call it then?

That is the fucking point, the military brass have it wrong!  A fat lip is not DETAINEE ABUSE!  When somebody says that they should be challenged.  You don't argue your case by accepting a premise that is wrong from the start.  The military also downplayed the previous actions of the Fort Hood killer, that was wrong too as it got people killed.  There is a huge difference between the guys on the front lines and the upper echelon of the military establishment.  I have no problem going after them when they are wrong, especially when they screw over our soldiers.

214 ;" href="?blog=86&post=295113#c7355215">203;"> Y-not,
;">;">"
;">;">I never read Allahpundit pre-Hotair.  I know he has a rep for being a great researcher but I just don't see it.  He seems lazy to me. "
;">
;">;">This is incorrect.  If you aren't going to bother even figuring out why AP is one of the most crucial bloggers on the right, then don't cry that you think he's lazy.  I don't get this kidn of crap.  He is not LGF.  Hell, he's one of LGF's most vociferous enemies.

I did not compare him to LGF.  I do not think he's the devil.  I do not care if I agree with him on every thing... or even on most things.  You have me mistaken for an ideological purist. 

I base my opinion that he is lazy on reading his stuff for the past couple of years during which time there have been entire threads - often very high traffic ones - that wound up being moot because they were "too good to check."  Some of his science posts, in particular, are ludicrous.  He uses that phrase in his thread titles for a reason.  He doesn't check before he posts. 

215 Herr,
Like I said before on another thread, you have been on a major tear lately.  Keep it up.  You are one sexy dude when you are pissed.  Mrs Herr is one lucky woman.

216 When somebody says that they should be challenged.  You don't argue your case by accepting a premise that is wrong from the start.

Ken,

Which brings us back where we started. He's not arguing a personal case in that post.  I get you, Jim and others want him to but he didn't.

He's laying out what he thinks is going on with the military. Using that term is well within bounds given that type of post.

Look, I post a lot here, right? I did a lot of posts on McCain, I do a lot on Obama. I don't like either of them. But in order to keep people who don't like them either do I have to include a scathing rant about them every time? No. Sometimes you just do an analysis and leave your personal feelings out of it.

You seem to expect your point of view to be reflected in his post. See my #191 about that.

217 Mrs Herr is one lucky woman.

She tends to agree with you.  Particularly when I leave.

218 Thank you Alex @76 for providing a link to Allah's post. At the very least it's necessary to understand what ya'll are arguing about.

219 LGF and Charles, dead to me.

Allah just fucked up and forgot to remember he has a dog in this fight. He is redeemable, although he could get off the proving he is a beta male by whinging on twitter.

CJ=prat.

Allah a twat on this and still on the team, just duct taped to the goal posts tonight,

Cordially,

Uncle J

220

Gabe, actually no.  Know the kind of crap AP writes, it isn't neccessary at all.

221
That should be "Knowing".

222 @lauraw: "On the other hand, these SEALs are also accused of making false statements and impeding the investigation. Which would have been helpful to know at the start of this blog-drama, but we didn't because Jimbo only provides us just enough context to call Allah a pussy."

Jimbo's post ain't about the story, it's about AP's fucked up "they acted stupidly" narrative.

From an Article 15 non judicial punishment to charges of making false statements and impeding the investigation as well as assault charges?  Does anyone who has never served HAVE ANY IDEA HOW FUCKED UP THAT IS?

223 My career ender in the Marines was failure to spit shine my boots, which according to the Marine Handbook is not how you are to shine your boots as it causes the boots to wear out faster because they dry rot and can cause some kind of foot infection if your in the field. But some new First Sergeant took an immediate dislike to me, and the only failing I had was that I was not a special Marine allowed to drive to work and had to walk from barracks to formation, and reshine my boots once I arrived at the formation site.

Even with witness evidence that my boots were shined both before leaving my barracks and on arriving at the formation, I was unable to convince any commanders through a formal request mast that I should not be written up for poor appearance.

224 Yeah, I get what you're all saying here, but seriously.

AP is a troll. A troll with his own blog, and who gets paid for driving traffic to said blog, but a troll nonetheless. That's his job description. Hell, he even says so himself. Won't surprise me one bit if he knew what he was doing the whole time.

What you are doing is both right and wrong. Actually, mostly right. By refusing to link to him, you make it likely that the lazier commenters in Blackfive and AoSHQ will not visit HA and give more pageviews to AP. Which is what AP is really after, and judging by the number of comments, what he has more or less succeeded in doing. Of course, what he'll be really after is a 12-pager comment block.

So, you have successfully not fed the troll... but you may have driven some traffic to his post nevertheless. That's the slightly wrong part. Of course, if no extra traffic, then no wrong either.

Which doesn't absolve him from douchebaggery, no. But he does have method to his madness.

225
Jebus Ace, how about a fucking "preview button"?

226 AP analyzes, and sometimes that require devil's advocate. He often poses questions or viewpoints to get a discussion going. If his style or posts truly upsets you, you're a stupid asshole.

227
Spot-on Greg!

228 And seriously folks how hard is it to go to Hot Air and read the post. They don't put out that much content.

Not very.

Cordially,

Uncle J

229

Ken,

Complain all you want about the media but the military is charging one of them with assaulting a DETAINEE and the  "Iothers with failing to protect a DETAINEE.

What exactly should we call it then?

The same military who takes it's orders from political appointees? The same military who let a psycho islamo facist (I repeat myself) terrorists kill 13 on post? The same military who constantly worries that people like John "I am corrupt" Murtha and John "Purple heart" Kerry are going to call them murderers? The same military which doesn't hunt terrorists but watches out for man-made disasters? The military whose top ranks are populated by generals who hope to owe Obama something?

I have always loved them but I think that politics seeps downward and the concern is now that Obama is a friend to the muslims first and the USA second, especially our military.

And yes, I have film of my almost naked Seals. My husband was kind enough to direct my attention behind the bleachers with, "Honey, you're gonna want to see this."

230 44--Exit Question:  WHO is the numbnuts higher up who started this ball of shit rolling?

That individual has seriously miscalculated.  But what is his punishment, when the acquitals come in?

231 AP analyzes, and sometimes that require devil's advocate. He often poses questions or viewpoints to get a discussion going. If his style or posts truly upsets you, you're a stupid asshole.

Edified, I am.  Or maybe not.

232 "Which brings us back where we started. He's not arguing a personal case in that post.  I get you, Jim and others want him to but he didn't."

YOU are saying he is not arguing a personal case, I and most others here believe that he is.  If he is not, he can certainly clear up any misunderstanding himself by amending his post.  He is not getting the benefit of the doubt because of who he is. Another problem is the syntax of his post.

AP quote:

"The last thing the military needs right now is another detainee-abuse headache, especially with some Iraqi pols already leaning on them about withdrawal. Giving the SEALs a zero-tolerance wrist slap reminds other troops not to do anything more seriously stupid that might be exploited politically."

When you read that, does it really sound like he is speculating on what the military are thinking?  No it does not. It sounds like he is offering HIS opinion on the matter.  If it was as you say, he would have said something like "those in the military are probably concerned about..."  At any rate, the entire post was second rate, AP has no clue about any of this and should have just let it go at that.  Let him cry.

233 Recent retweet (how dumb is that word, btw?) by Allah:

"RINO! RT @Xifosss: Just because you are a SEAL doesn't mean you are exempt from the law. This is coming from an active duty serviceman."

He's also joking around with Andy Levy about Sarah Palin being full of it in her criticism of Obama because he recently spoke to the men at Ft. Hood.

I don't think he's the devil, I do think he's a minor net plus, but, c'mon, it's beyond obtuse to not see Allah's love of intentionally creating controversy.

234 "Which brings us back where we started."

Yep, which is that you, and AP have know f'ing clue what has folks like Jimbo and Ken, and myself upset about it. 

"that might be exploited politically"

You've heard of Vietnam, I trust?  (That's kindhearted snark, not mockery, btw)

You evidently know squat about our SF community.  The real story is that they brought the PoS in alive at all.  Talk about self restraint. 

235 AP is an atheist vegan pacifist type person. He is what he is. Sometimes he hits a resonating vibe, just don't be surprised when down the road he goes permanent andrew sullivan or charles johnson on conservatives/libertarians. You can see it in his constant baiting and picking at libertarian and conservative principles. He just doesn't understand us.

236 MM signs his checks. Aim higher.

237 He's also joking around with Andy Levy

Nothing like two Manhattanites to explain conservatism.

238 You realize you're spending all this time analyzing a grown man whose favorite show is the Golden Girls, right?

239 Don't bet on it. There's a huge portion of the Navy (and all the other services) that seem to consider the wars to be a distraction from the important stuff like building careers.

Posted by: XBradTC at November 24, 2009 07:56 PM (y0E9v)

I fear you may be right. Was it not Navy investigators who ignored exculpatory testimony and evidence and who were determined to prosecute the Haditha Marines beyond anything considered reasonable or responsible?

240 The same military who takes it's orders from political appointees?

Yeah, that one. From General George Washington right up until today...civilian control. It's actually a feature not a bug.

The same military which doesn't hunt terrorists but watches out for man-made disasters?

That's a DHS term, not military.

The military whose top ranks are populated by generals who hope to owe Obama something?

So we only like or support the military when Republicans are in charge?

I'm not sure what your point is.


I have always loved them but I think that politics seeps downward and the concern is now that Obama is a friend to the muslims first and the USA second, especially our military.

Look, I wrote a lot of posts bashing the top brass during the Bush years over things like Haditha and the Marine snipers in Afghanistan. It's a big organization that makes mistakes and has it share of careerists who put promotion over duty and mission but it's always been thus. Let's not pretend it only happened once Obama took office.

241

My guess is, and it's just that, this was a headache US military leadership didn't need with the Iraqis, so yeah, they (the chain of command) look at it as a dumb thing.

If those are the sorts of thoughts going through the minds of our military commanders in a war zone, then we need to cut our losses now and get out. We give our cops on the beat dealing with vagrants more backup than this.

242

It just annoys me when very very beta males dare to offer their opinion on what actual very alpha males are doing in defense of the country.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

243 You realize you're spending all this time analyzing a grown man whose favorite show is the Golden Girls, right?

Posted by: laceyunderalls at November 24, 2009 10:03 PM (PVOcy)

On a blog whose master jacked his own thread with Mad Max gibberish?  Yes.  We realize it.

244 Allah used top blow dogs for quarters, now that he loves the taste he does it for free. The motherfucker is the most limp wristed queen online, with his overinflated ego and his stupid posts. The fucker is probably another Hasan waiting to happen, claiming to be an atheist while kneeling and sucking the sand covered cock of his namesake five times a fucking day.

245 The fucker is probably another Hasan waiting to happen, claiming to be an atheist while kneeling and sucking the sand covered cock of his namesake five times a fucking day.

You can't suck a sand covered cock.  The sand destroys the seal.

246
à la -lgf-pundit strikes again

247 Yep, which is that you, and AP have know f'ing clue what has folks like Jimbo and Ken, and myself upset about it. 

And I'm losing interest by the moment. It's fine that you disagree with the guy. My point to Jimbo (the only person I addressed originally) was it's wrong to ascribe motives to people for which there's no proof.

Am I wrong about that?

"that might be exploited politically"

You've heard of Vietnam, I trust?  (That's kindhearted snark, not mockery, btw)

The "exploited politically" line is from AP's post not mine.

You evidently know squat about our SF community.  The real story is that they brought the PoS in alive at all.  Talk about self restraint.

Never said otherwise. If you're interested in my take on the story, check it out a few posts down. It's a bit different than the way AP handled his but that doesn't mean I get to make shit up about what he wrote.

248 as others have said, the charge alone pretty much 86's their careers, unlike the civilian world in the military there is extremely low tolerance for offically recognized misconduct no matter how minor.

249 it's wrong to ascribe motives to people for which there's no proof.

Am I wrong about that?

RACIST!!

250 And seriously folks how hard is it to go to Hot Air and read the post. They don't put out that much content.

Not very.

It just seems petty and it gives the impression that you'd rather we don't actually see what Allah wrote. If it's not a big deal ("seriously folks"), just include the link.

And (dammit, now I'm defending Allah and HA too, look what you done), Hot Air is one of the most prolific right-wing blogs. They put out a heckuvalotta content, especially compared with other mainstream conservative blogs. For comparison's sake here are today's numbers (so far) for the righty blogs in my RSS reader:

Hot Air: 22 posts.
AOSHQ: 14 posts.
Gateway Pundit: 12 posts.
Michelle Malkin: 6 posts.
Power Line: 5 posts.

251 RACIST!!
Posted by: Herr Morgenholz at November 24, 2009 10:10 PM (h/zKr)

Well that's a given.

252

Allahpundit is just tremendously important in building an alternative to the bullshit media. 

If so, we're in pretty deep shit. Because alternative media AP-style is not going to look greatly different from what we've got.

253 243 You realize you're spending all this time analyzing a grown man whose favorite show is the Golden Girls, right?

Posted by: laceyunderalls at November 24, 2009 10:03 PM (PVOcy)

On a blog whose master jacked his own thread with Mad Max gibberish?  Yes.  We realize it.

Posted by: Herr Morgenholz at November 24, 2009 10:04 PM (h/zKr)

Hey, I called them out on that. I got the rebuke. Actually I didn't care but it was  that suddenly I felt I was encroaching on a bunch of pre-pubescent boys playing D&D. I just pointed out the fact they all needed to get laid or at least  be on the receiving end of a decent blow job.

254 I hope while Megs is pounding that faggots ass with her strap on, that she slips out and hits him in the taint one good time.

255

Posted by: Gabriel Malor at November 24, 2009 10:11 PM (Mi2wf)

Well, yeah, but I get to read all of Hot Air's decent content here when Drew posts it.  And again when Ace posts it.

Why would I go anywhere else?

256

Hot Air is one of the most prolific right-wing blogs. They put out a heckuvalotta content, especially compared with other mainstream conservative blogs.

We need quality, not quantity. And HA puts out too much dreck.  How many of those 22 posts are worth reading?

257 Actually I didn't care but it was  that suddenly I felt I was encroaching on a bunch of pre-pubescent boys playing D&D. I just pointed out the fact they all needed to get laid or at least  be on the receiving end of a decent blow job.

Posted by: laceyunderalls at November 24, 2009 10:13 PM (PVOcy)

Suddenly "charisma points" don't seem as important just now.

How YOU doin'?

258

Allah goes introspective while twitting...

@andylevy Maybe the haters are right. Maybe I need a new line of work. 17 minutes ago from Seesmic in reply to andylevy

Hey, who else uses that kind of verbage to describe this site other than 'the other side'?

259 Back in 1969 I worked on an op with the Korean Army in Viet Nam which early on involved a SEAL team grabbing some Viet Cong off the Qui Nhon penninsula. It was a real slick grab n go, greatly exciting the Korean G-2. They asked permission to interrogate the prisoners. The SEALs said no problem, as long as we can be present during the questioning. The SEALs are pros and this is clearly a horseshit case.

260

And yeah, he's an atheist, so what. If all conservatism consists of is Bible-thumping, please let me know and I'll go join the Libertarians. At least they have insane parties - since they are one

I'm an agnostic and I don't give a fuck about a candidate's religion.  If you want to have a right-wing party (be it Republican or Libertarian) and exclude religious people, it will fit inside a phone booth and never win an election.  That's the problem I have with Allahpundit, Kathleen Parker, David Brooks, and all their butt-boys and sycophants.  They don't want to coexist because they feel it's beneath them to share a party with anybody of faith.  They feel embarrassed to belong to the same party as Sarah Palin and Michele Bachmann when they're hobknobbing with Pinch Sulzberger and David Corn at Manhattan cocktail parties.  I've got news for them:  the lefties won't vote for you unless you're a died-in-the-wool socialist.  That's what motivates them.  They don't hate Sarah Palin for being religious, they hate her for being a free-market capitalist and being pro-life (and because she was a middle-class working mom who succeded in life without a trust fund or Ivy League education).  Notice how they never seem to have a problem with America-hating liberation-theologist-type religious commies, like every fucking tartuffe and rasputin whose church has been graced with ObaMao's presence.

For the record, I dislike Huckabee because he's a nanny-state socialist and borderline theocrat (and because of his attacks on Romney's religion), and I dislike Romney because he won't admit Romneycare is a fucking disaster.  Neither man's religion has anything to do with it.

261 I just pointed out the fact they all needed to get laid or at least  be on the receiving end of a decent blow job.

The receiving end?  Thank goodness!

262

 It's fine that you disagree with the guy. My point to Jimbo (the only person I addressed originally) was it's wrong to ascribe motives to people for which there's no proof.

AP has been on the net long enough to be a known quantity. We don't need to speculate about motives, we know he's a dick and that his fingers typically are a half-mle ahead of his brain.

263

Don't let the haters get you down AP,

I'm here for you buddy.

264

And yes, I have film of my almost naked Seals. My husband was kind enough to direct my attention behind the bleachers with, "Honey, you're gonna want to see this."

Boo-yah, baby.

You realize you're spending all this time analyzing a grown man whose favorite show is the Golden Girls, right?

It's sort of what made this thread a great read.  Since the subject's so irrelevant, the discussion was entertaining.

And FYI, I'm not trivializing those with deep feelings on the subject matter; I know how serious an Article 15 is, and I also happen to know that terrorists, uh, lie, especially about, you know, their treatment by our soldiers.  So, you won't hear me whimper over PI headaches for the gonadally-challenged upper echelon who won't dismiss these charges.

265

I hate to be hall monitor here but who the hell is the clown throwing the "f" bomb here. And I'm talking the six-letter variety.

"Allah Pund It In My Ass". Seriously, dude project much? You sound like an illiterate jackhole. You can make your point without sounding like a staffer for David Duke. Lighten up, Francis.

266

And yeah, he's an atheist, so what.

So hating 90% of your own party is an odd position to have if you're going to be a big-shot political blogger.

Although oddly enough, a remarkable proportion of "right-wing bloggers" have very little time for the right wing.

267

"Hey, I called them out on that. I got the rebuke. Actually I didn't care but it was  that suddenly I felt I was encroaching on a bunch of pre-pubescent boys playing D&D. I just pointed out the fact they all needed to get laid or at least  be on the receiving end of a decent blow job.

Posted by: laceyunderalls at November 24, 2009 10:13 PM (PVOcy)"

 

i've seen you somewhere before... cat owner, 43 from Illinois?

 

 

268 @247

Yeah, I'm drinking beer and losing interest myself.  Funny how it happens.  Look, I respect you, but I disagree that motive and method of operation are not at least kissing cousins.  In this case, Jimbo (the only person that you initially addressed) pointed this out.

Drew, those of us at the sharp end of things take this shit a little more personally and I am surprised you didn't insert that understanding into your responses.  That's why I went after you both barrels. (Jimbo, too, I'd wager.)

There are a whole mess of operational considerations and problems that this courts-martial is going to raise and in the end, the truth, soldiers are going to die for political implications that have no home on a battlefield.  When it's your friends doing that dying so other people can criticize your behavior in a place of comfort and freedom, weeeell... understand why there might be a wild hair up someone's ass about it.

I'll still be reading you  tomorrow. ;-)

269 "They put out a heckuvalotta content, especially compared with other mainstream conservative blogs."

They do put out alot of content.  The problem is AP is posting nonsense from left wing sites that would languish in the dark if not for him. I can't count the times he has posted far-left shit about Palin or crap from Meghan McCain over there.  I have no problem with people having opposing views, I seek that out myself at times.  But why give AID to those who are trying to undermine the conservative cause?  Do we really want to increase traffic for David Frum?  I say no.  Do we need more posts promoting atheism?  No.  And that is not a slap against atheists, I am a believer myself but why even go there?  I don't see AP or Ed posting pro-religion stuff so why bother either way?  He does it to irritate Conservative Christians, that is it.  Another poster had it right, AP is basically a troll masquerading as a blogger.

270

So hating 90% of your own party is an odd position to have if you're going to be a big-shot political blogger.

Just because you're an atheist Republican it doesn't mean you "hate 90 percent of your party," political blogger or not.

271 229- Dagny, your tales of scantily clad SEALs is distracting ... Please continue.

272 Dude.

273

Just because you're an atheist Republican it doesn't mean you "hate 90 percent of your party

 

Good old dumbelle. In AP's case, and that's the case I was referring to, it does mean just that.

274

244 Allah used top blow dogs for quarters, now that he loves the taste he does it for free. The motherfucker is the most limp wristed queen online, with his overinflated ego and his stupid posts. The fucker is probably another Hasan waiting to happen, claiming to be an atheist while kneeling and sucking the sand covered cock of his namesake five times a fucking day.

Posted by: Allah Pund It In My Ass at November 24, 2009 10:05 PM (KR+As)




I guess that explains why he banned me for calling David Frum a has-been faggot...

275 Heart-ache

276

Wait .... did somebody just insult teenage boys and D&D?

277 yep, she did, lol

278 Allah goes introspective while twitting...

@andylevy Maybe the haters are right. Maybe I need a new line of work. 17 minutes ago from Seesmic in reply to andylevy

Posted by: Jim in San Diego at November 24, 2009 10:17 PM (H7Rlw)

And they're getting all hot and bothered about Beck, calling his talk about his nephew not re-enlisting 'seditious'. What jokes those people are. Allah and his friends sound like HuffPo material, at this point.

279

Good old dumbelle. In AP's case, and that's the case I was referring to, it does mean just that.

Look you amazing retard, this is what you drooled out...

And yeah, he's an atheist, so what.

So hating 90% of your own party is an odd position to have if you're going to be a big-shot political blogger.

...meaning that it's his atheism that causes him to hate 90 percent of the party.

He doesn't hate religion because he's an atheist, dumbazz.  He hates religion, period.  Atheism is not the same as hating religion, but you really are too numb above the neck to get that.

280 We all do it all the time on blogs. I've said stuff about the state of play of an issue that in no way reflects my personal belief. It's just business not personal.

Posted by: DrewM. at November 24, 2009 08:09 PM (FCWQb)

Sorry Drew, but we are Veterans, it's personnel. If you would have posted this I would have jumped your ass also.

281 Lazarus,

I get and respect what you're saying.

As I said, check out my post. I was a little more colorful in my appraisal of the matter.

I respect your service as I do Jimbo's but in his case he's a blogger now. It's like last year, I defended the hell out of Capt. John S. McCain III (USN Ret). Senator John "The Maverick" McCain? Whole different story.

One thing I learned (the hard way)...don't blog mad. Jimbo's furious. Okay but that might mean taking a moment before hitting publish.

Either way...see you tomorrow.

282 Sorry Drew, but we are Veterans, it's personnel.
Old Hippie Vet

Fair enough but AP is not a vet (neither am I). Why would anyone expect him to react to this the way you, Jimbo and other vets do?

283 I had the opportunity to work with Dick Dunleavy after he torpedoed his career over tailhook, he was onee of the few three stars who didn't leave his balls behind to get beyond O6.  I wonder hiw many are left like him.

284

Late in his life, my father told me that they sometimes shot Germans after a battle. One time they shot a bunch of them after the Battle of the Bulge in a hole, like pheasants. He won a couple of medals, along the way.

With what the fuckers did to his family in Romania and Hungary, he couldn't have cared less. Never gave an infintesimal shit till the day he passed away.

I've always felt the same way.

We won that war.

285 If SEALs were roughing up prisoners for sport, that would be one thing. But there's no indication that was at work here, and I have a very hard time believing that highly disciplined and motivated troops like that would stoop to that.

Posted by: XBradTC at November 24, 2009 07:52 PM (y0E9v)

Well, as far as I am concerned, as a former soldier, I say rough his sorry arse up, split his lip, kicked his nuts over his ears. Beat him like a rug, find some Afghans,if there are any, who want a chunk of his sorry arse and let them have him.. Have any of you seen the videos of friendly native Afghans cutting the heads off of their fellow Afghans? Fellow Muslims? If not, you need to see one, and I have one I will be happy to link that lets you know how much compassion these turds have for each other.

Let's be clear: kill the bastard, okay, maybe a problem. Anything short of death at the hands of a retribution seeking SEAL deserves not a trial but a Silver Star and a week in the Philippines, getting drunk and laid.R&R.

This is new age, Post Obamessiah good time Bullsh*t, nothing more. Along with the unnecessary prosecutions of the Haditha Marines and other hard-chargers,this will lead to timidity in the ranks and further emasculation of our forces.

Screw ALLAHpussy on a sharpened stick. He is lower than whale shiite.

He joins pansy man Johnson on the candy ass list, post haste.

286 Fair enough but AP is not a vet (neither am I). Why would anyone expect him to react to this the way you, Jimbo and other vets do?

Posted by: DrewM. at November 24, 2009 10:38 PM (FCWQb)

You don't have to be a vet to recognize an attack on our own people. We've seen this adminstration go after our military and our nation at every opportunity and they were just doing the same thing, here, except that it was even more egregious as what happened in Fallujah was such a drastic turning point and so abominably savage. Allah, of course, has no clue about any of this, which is why he was talking "seditious" with respect to Beck, tonight.

287 I'm not a vet and I expect rational Americans to react exactly like I do......this is bullshit and does nothing good for our soldiers doing the hard stuff. It's war. People get roughed up.

What's not to get, Drew?

288

Fair enough but AP is not a vet (neither am I). Why would anyone expect him to react to this the way you, Jimbo and other vets do?        Posted by: DrewM. at November 24, 2009 10:38 PM (FCWQb)

Allah has a knack for talking out of his ass on certain subjects that he has no knowledge or understanding of. I can put up with most it most of the time but when he (or anyone else) brings that lack of knowledge or understanding to my sand box I'm goin to kick ass.

Time for a smoke and a cup of coffee................................I'm out of booze until tomorrow so be real careful how you answer me.

289 You know what's kinda funny?

On Twitter, Andy Levy is taunting Allah to post something critical of Sarah Palin.  And now that Rebecca is taunting him to post something critical of Beck.

Maybe he's just gotten mixed up in the wrong crowd.  There's a lesson there, if you know them from Twitter, they're not actually friends.  Go outside, take a walk, join a coed softball team.  Do whatever you might have done rather than post 13,000 tweets.

13,000 tweets.  I don't think I've even whacked off that much and I know which one has a better ending.

290 Old Hippie Vet

At the danger of reopening this whole thing, there are two parts.

Jimbo said AP supported the prosecution. My point was that's not in evidence from the post.

Then Jimbo said in #71

I disconcur and at a minimum think he should have said that this was a chickenshit thing to do. He doesn't and seems just fine with this. I understand the whole detached observer just reporting the facts concept, but in a case where good men will suffer a wrong, it deserves commentary, not a play by play of the gutless move that could end their careers.

Ok, Jimbo (and I) thought the story deserved commentary. AP didn't. I think it's ridiculous to go ape shit on someone because they didn't write a post the way you did.

If AP had written something like "and I hope they make an example of them" okay, knock him. All he did was layout the facts and his analysis of why the military was doing what it was doing. He neither supported it or attacked it (though he did quote approvingly of someone who said kill the bastard).

Look, blog posts aren't novels or even magaizine pieces, hell most aren't even op-eds. I write them all the time and don't and can't cover every thought, every post.

I just don't see how failure to attack the situation equals 'anti-military' piece of shit.

291 Being a secularist Republican doesn't mean hating one's own party. It means dreading one's own party.

It means going online and praying that no-one on your own side hasn't posted anything moronic that day, and (when one is disappointed in that) hoping that someone else has stepped up to correct him.

292 hasn't>has. Meh. Typo.

293 "13,000 tweets.  I don't think I've even whacked off that much and I know which one has a better ending."

HAHAHAHA!

And that's the way it is.

294

He doesn't hate religion because he's an atheist, dumbazz.  He hates religion, period.

I'm glad we have dumbelle around to clarify these obsecure points.

He hates religion, and he's an athiest. But nobody should assume any connection between these two things, lest dumbelle get offended.

I actually went out of my way to say that the "atheist=hate religion" equation applied only to AP, and not neccessarily to you.

295

Yo Allah,

Don't try to fight a religious war if you do not have faith. You'll lose.

296 The fact that the blotter report on this is widely read and we know these guys names is a career-ender in an of itself.  Regardless of how the Court Martial turns out, the Article 15 would have done the same but not have fixed the problem.  These guys are taking a path (Court Martial) that include more risk, in order to protect their buddies in future situations.

While this circus is ending their careers, in is also ending the careers of the officers who started this fire and who let it get out of hand.  In the future, officers will remember this mess and think twice about covering their asses.  The next bloody lip report get recycled for a rewrite.

Hopefully, they will nullify the jury, get some TTP rewritten, and finish their enlistments in a decent job, transfer to the USMC, or apply for OCS .

297 And still it continues.

Well done, Allahpundit. You have successfully ensure your continued employment for at least another week or so.

You know, AP puts up stuff that hits everybody. He's done wonderfully crafted hit pieces on Christians, Sarah Palin, Glenn Beck, you name it. How do you know they're wonderfully crafted? Because those are the 12-pager comment blocks.

Now, I happen to be a Christian, and I admire Sarah Palin tremendously. Some of the stuff he puts up gets my goat too. The one thing I refuse to do is to comment on such posts; not on HA, not on my own crappy blog nobody reads.

Because AP is doing his job. He. Is. A. Paid. Troll. He's put on a professional, public persona that has yet shown any signs of slipping; the anti-theistic, Palin-hating, MegMc- and iPhone-loving beta male *and everybody laps it up*.

This is AP we're talking about. Please, please, get used to it. He's enjoying himself hugely, believe me, even if his twitters or whatever describe a man in distress, he's rubbing his little hands in glee and I won't even mention what's between those little hands.

298

Being a secularist Republican doesn't mean hating one's own party. It means dreading one's own party.

Just how secularist are you? I've seen some of your blogs and they seemed pretty steeped in religion, if not the Christian one.

 

It means going online and praying that no-one on your own side hasn't posted anything moronic that day

If I were you I'd spend a little more time praying over Michael Steele nd Allahpundit. You secularist you.

 

and sockpuppet off.

299 Rather then try an fix AP, can someone convince MM to switch from her text blog to video blogging -- maybe Jimbo can be her cameraman (I can guarantee no Paulbot jumps in his face.)

300 "

If so, we're in pretty deep shit. Because alternative media AP-style is not going to look greatly different from what we've got.

Posted by: flenser a"

I disagree!  AP makes Sarah Palin look great.  I really don't get this beef conservatives have with AP posting stories from the left.  It almost always makes them look ridiculous.

We don't just need AP.  We need a lot of things, but I think AP is doing a great job,a nd people who are outraged that he points to stories they don't like should just calm down.  It's just not that big a deal.  Hot Air is great for conservatives who want to be challenged, but also want to know the real stories out there affecting this country, without left wing filters.  It's not the end all, it's just a damn aggregate.

AP did not support screwing these troops over, he covered a story.  I don't see the big deal there either.

301 Fair enough but AP is not a vet (neither am I). Why would anyone expect him to react to this the way you, Jimbo and other vets do?

Posted by: DrewM. at November 24, 2009 10:38 PM (FCWQb)

Allah could have asked before pontificating. It does not appear he felt the need to so lower himself.

Michelle Malkin could shut that shit down. If y'all are aiming at Allah, you are just hitting the vest. Aim higher.

 

302

I just don't see how failure to attack the situation equals 'anti-military' piece of shit.    Posted by: DrewM. at November 24, 2009 11:04 PM (FCWQb)

I'll give you that Drew but....(you had to know a but was coming,) Allah has set himself up one too many times and now if anything looks/reads even close to being foot-in-mouth he gets jumped and it's not by Meggie Mac. For me it wasn't so much what was said this time, it was what wasn't.

I could go in to a long assed post but it won't do either of us any good and my fingers will get all cramped up and junk and I won't be able to surf my favorite porn sites later.

303 Jeebers, this is why I quit reading AOSHQ threads.

Back in the day, 3 or 4 years ago, people actually made sense here, and we were funny.  Now, you get threads which devolve into endless stupidity about an offhand remark by AP. 

I hardly recognize any names here any more.  Who is this Herr Morgenholz twat, for example?  Damn that guy is stupid.

Jeebers. 

304 No one misses you, Michael.

305 For me it wasn't so much what was said this time, it was what wasn't.

Old Hippie Vet,

If you're interested, see my #191 about that.

Either way...enjoy your porn.

306

he's rubbing his little hands in glee and I won't even mention what's between those little hands.     Posted by: Gregory at November 24, 2009 11:11 PM (cjwF0)

Shit, I wish I hadn't read that.

307 Michael is the repetitive ass who thinks we don't all know he wants to hatefuck Ace, right?

308 Hey Drew.  Your #191 was actually a rare display of rationality on this thread, as was LauraW's earlier attempt to be sane.

Hope we can meet again.  I enjoyed seeing both of you in CT.

309 This whole subject makes me sick.

WTF is America coming to under the Dems?

USS of A, pussy edition apparently....

310 Michael,

I may be down in Texas the week after Christmas or some time in January.

I'll be in Houston but would love to run up to DFW and see y'all (see, I can fit in).

311

Zimriel

I'm reading attacks on AllahPundit over at Ace's; they generally crop up whenever his name comes up. AllahPundit is a Burkean liberal, an ally to Conservatives, but only against the Revolution. Otherwise his instincts are not to the hearth, family, and village church as are the Conservative's. Burkeanism is where Ch-- J-- was, a few years back; and Andrew Sullivan before him.

I think its great that you've taken an interest in Burke. But you need to keep studying him if you think that he has anything in common with AP, CJ, and Andy. Because at present you're very mistaken. The man who extolled the virtues of the "little platoons" that make up society was a defender of hearth, family, and the village church.

312 Michael is the repetitive ass who thinks we don't all know he wants to hatefuck Ace, right?

No, actually I've been a fan of Ace (and donor) since around the time this blog started.

313 Is that Michael in MI, then?

For some reason, I have it stuck in my head that there is a Michael somewhere who really hates Ace.

(My apologies by the way.)

314

 Now, you get threads which devolve into endless stupidity about an offhand remark by AP. 

The actual blog post was about AP's "offhand remark", so you have to be pretty dense to be shocked when the comment thread is on that subject.

315 <i>I'll be in Houston but would love to run up to DFW and see y'all (see, I can fit in).</i>

Dude, you're more than welcome.  I have two guest rooms -- the Persimmon Room or the Gold Room.  (We inherited the decor from the prior owner when we bought this place a year ago.)  Both are kinda gay-looking, but Dave in Texas thinks the Gold Room is super-gay and prefers the Persimmon Room.  Get your dibs in.

316

Either way...enjoy your porn.   Posted by: DrewM. at November 24, 2009 11:28 PM (FCWQb)

It's all good Drew. I can see your point and believe it or not I understand it. Speaking for myself, I have spent too many years being spit on and called all kinds of names so I get real jumpy real fast now days.

 

317 >>>The actual blog post was about AP's "offhand remark", so you have to be pretty dense to be shocked when the comment thread is on that subject.

No, the shocking part is the endless stupidity  to which I referred.

Jimbo's post was emotional, ill-considered and trite to start with, and deserved about six comments telling him that.

318 "Jimbo's post was emotional, ill-considered and trite to start with, and deserved about six comments telling him that."

Fuck You, Mike.

319

When Ace appoints you Thread Monitor you can tell people how many posts they may make and what they may say in them to your hearts content.

Until that time, your own contributions here seem to fit the  "emotional, ill-considered and trite" description rather well.

320 Speaking for myself, I have spent too many years being spit on and called all kinds of names so I get real jumpy real fast now days.

And there are still to many who would do it today's heroes.

I hope you take heart that thanks to these intertubes, we aren't going to let them do what they've done in the past.

321 I am usually a lurker around here and don't comment much I grew weary of the vitriol years ago on my own blog Redstate Rant but this Blog post and the subsequent bullshit that went with it have chapped my ass. First UNCLE JIMBO: learn how to blog. Link the original article, then link AP's blog post and then comment on it. This isn't your fucking blog, it is Ace's and he has spent years building this cocksucker. your a visitor so fucking act like an appreciative one. This bullshit thread has read like an ass-rape on KOS's site. I am sure you have all of Matt's blessing on Blackfive to post whatever you want. Normal blogging etiquette should apply. Do it right or get your own site and say what you please. Don't hamstring the reader by making him go all over trying to find out what the hell your talking about. I don't agree with some of AP's stuff but did you think maybe to send him an email asking him for clarification before you went all dickhead on him? Maybe that would help with perspective or did you just decide to come in here and throw around the fucking furniture like its a frat house to make your fucking point. Posting here and reaching the audience that Ace built is a privilege. Don't fuck it up with woefully amateur blogging. Show some respect. you would demand that much I am sure if this was your house and your reputation on this site. ACE its time to re-evaluate your guest bloggers situation. You've got some great bloggers on here but this BS is screaming for some oversight on your part.

322 Dave in Texas thinks the Gold Room is super-gay and prefers the Persimmon Room.

Too gay for Dave? I did not know that was possible.

I will let you know as the plans firm up.

I think I'm out for the night....I hope you and Cathy have a great Thanksgiving!

323 Mazzo di tenere beta maschi blog aria

324 BYW, Allahpundit's identity as a "beta male" was entirely invented by him.  It is an enduring meme that is one of the funniest and wittiest shticks that endures today on the right side of the blogosphere, proving yet again that only conservatives have a self-deprecating  sense of humor.

It pains me to see mouth-breathers on this thread using that laudable sense of comedy to slander him.

325 Holy Crap,

I forget how well you people argue and argue.

Drew, I appreciate you staying in the game and if I didn't make my point in answer to you I will now.

I know his post is defensible as journalistic reporting. I concur on that and he can do that if he wishes. I disconcur that if you want to be on our team i.e non-MSM wanking devices who support America and our team, then if you report what the shite birds say and do not even vaguely challenge their condemnation of our guys, well F**k You! (AP). That is all. I didn't do this for fun or sport and as I said I am with him as an agnostic, libertarian hawk.

But don't just blithely toss my friends under the bus, if you agree with the bastards saying it...agree. If you don't borrow a pair of stones and...don't.

Das ist alles.

Cordially,

Uncle J

326

I grew weary of the vitriol years ago on my own blog

 

Damn, son, I'd hate to see what you consider to be excessive vitriol!

327 Che cosa l'inferno è sbagliato con respirazione attraverso la bocca si anonimo coward?

328 It pains me to see mouth-breathers on this thread using that laudable sense of comedy to slander him.

Mouth breathers indeed.  The hysterical emotionalism directed at AP whenever he dares to even slightly differ from the echo chamber reminds me more and more of the tone on the left.

329 321

Bite me, I have forgotten more about blogging than you have felched in your entire miserable existence. Punk!

330 I gather you're a fan of AP, Michael. That's very much a minority opinion around these parts. And probably even among HA commenters.

331 When Ace appoints you Thread Monitor you can tell people how many posts they may make and what they may say in them to your hearts content.


Actually, flenser, I can do that right now, to my heart's content.  Even though it may have no effect, I am now advising you that you are the same sort of witless boob as Herr Morgenholz, whom I earlier identified, and you should shut up immediately for the common good.

332 Apparentemente questi fottutamente bocca sono tanto rovinando il ACE OF SPADES blog!!! Essi devono essere interrotto immediatamente! Uccidere la bocca tanto!

333 Herr Morgenholz dovrebbe essere legata da un suo palle per il bene comune! Michael ha tutto giusto! Fuck bocca tanto! Che tutto ciò che soffio attraverso la bocca die un orribile morte, immediatamente!

334 <i>I gather you're a fan of AP, Michael.</i>

No, not really.  I loved him way back in the day of Allah Is In The House.  Now, he strikes me as slightly RINOish sometimes, like many others have observed.

I just don't think he deserves to be treated as some kind of pariah like Charles Johnston.

335

The hysterical emotionalism directed at AP whenever he dares to even slightly differ from the echo chamber

Remind me again of what parts of the conservative agenda AP actually agrees with?

He gets away with calling himself "libertarian" because that's the generic label for Republicans who are not very conservative. But he's not very libertarian really. He used to be a reliable neocon - a strong supporter of the war. But I'm not sure even that is true any more. These days it seems like he blogs at a right wing blog because he gets paid to, not because he believes in it.

336 Fuck la lucertola re! Mi auguro Charles Johnson uno all'inferno!

337 Michael, you and AP are kindred spirits.  You are every bit the pompous ass he is.  You are also prone to condescension even though you lack the intellectual prowess to back it up.  Again, just like AP. I can understand why you are defending him.

As to your assertion that Jimbo was being unduly emotional, that is a pretty idiotic statement coming from someone who claims to be a long time supporter of this site. If having strong feelings and venting frustration or anger is something to be disparaged in your eyes, I guess you don't think much of Ace himself. 

He has ranted about any number of things on an almost daily basis, which is why most people here love this site.  Gauntlets are thrown down and issues are dealt with in a very direct manner, and there is always a dose of humor to go along with it.  Apparently you think that is beneath you. Perhaps Frum's site would be a better fit for you. In short, fuck off.

338 randomguy is cracking me up.

339

Even though it may have no effect, I am now advising you that you are the same sort of witless boob as Herr Morgenholz, whom I earlier identified, and you should shut up immediately for the common good.

Hmm. Nope, no effect.

Is that the sort of wonderful commentary which prevailed on the Olde Tyme AoSHQ before we loutish barbarians invaded the place and lowered the standards?

340 329. Then asshole write a fucking blog post that makes sense not some BS hate PS with a hate link to another BS hate piece by you. You suck as a blogger. get the fuck over it. your an amateur on a site that puts out good content and funny shit, that keeps it all in perspective. the fact that you comment on my comment six minutes later tell me you've got nothing fucking better to do. Plus you don't even address the piss poor job of a post you did. Defend your dumbass attempt at a hit piece that doesn't link the blog piece or the original story. You cant because even though this is a blog and and alternative media you cant even get the informalities straight. Remember some of that blogging experience and use it.

on felching and the olde English dictionary:
FELTCH [sic] (v.): To use one's mouth or tongue on the anus of his partner; anilingus or male cunnilingus (syn. RIM).

So i guess your a master at it?

341 I don't even know what he is saying, but it's funny anyway if you just read his comments out loud.

342 What gets me is this: I honestly can't take any offense if Drew or Michael, or anyone one else go hammer and tong to defend Allah.  They're buddies of one kind or another.  So I respect that.  Loyalty isn't a vice.  Good friends don't help you move, they help you move bodies.  (Stolen, I'm quite sure.)

But, that's the exact same thing that motivates others as well.  Recognize it.  There's a shitload and a half these fighting men could do before I'd even talk about it.  Then, when talking about it, I'd fucking defend them, first thing, middle thing, last thing.

When you go back and recognize that we're talking about a fat lip on a terrorist, I mean, c'mon.  C'mon!

I'll get my digs in at Allah, but I can only respect his friends when they support him.  Let's do the same for these guys, times 100.

343

I hope you take heart that thanks to these intertubes, we aren't going to let them do what they've done in the past.    Posted by: DrewM. at November 24, 2009 11:47 PM (FCWQb)

You got that right!

 

Funny story for ya. In 2003 I was going up to the VA Hospital here in Portland and there was a bunch of war protesters down town, two of them thought it would be fun to come over and give me some shit. It was fun for me, for them...not so much. The one that tried to spit on me went to sleep in the street and the other got a bum knee out of it. The cops saw what happened and asked if I wanted to press charges. Good times Drew, good times.

344

I don't even know what he is saying, but it's funny anyway if you just read his comments out loud.

lance? Yeah, I'm thinking a Mr Magoo voice.

345 Vi sono anche esposte al rischio di condiscendenza anche se vi manca la prodezza intellettuale a sostenerlo. A proposito della sua affermazione che Jimbo era sia indebitamente emotivo, che è una graziosa idiota dichiarazione provenienti da qualcuno che sostiene di essere un lungo tempo sostenitore di questo sito.

Se che ha forti sentimenti e di sfiato frustrazione o rabbia è qualcosa che va screditato negli occhi, you don non pensare molto di ACE se stesso.

Egli ha agli su qualsiasi numero di cose su base quasi quotidiana, motivo per cui più persone qui amore questo Sito. Sono sia lanciata e questioni sono trattate in modo molto diretto, e c'è sempre una dose di umorismo a percorrere con esso. Apparentemente lei pensa che è sotto.

346

As I said upthread, the thing this shows is that nobody in authority takes the war even slightly seriously. We knew the politicians didn't, and now we see the militrary commanders don't.

AP is a sideshow.

347 Because AP is doing his job. He. Is. A. Paid. Troll. He's put on a professional, public persona that has yet shown any signs of slipping; the anti-theistic, Palin-hating, MegMc- and iPhone-loving beta male *and everybody laps it up*.

This is AP we're talking about. Please, please, get used to it. He's enjoying himself hugely,

Posted by: Gregory at November 24, 2009 11:11 PM 

Exactly.  He does it all the time.  His posts are nonsnensical attacks on the celeb de jour...Beck, Palin, etc. His own blog was pathetic so he ends up at HA playing counterpoint to Ed and someone who can draw the hits for Michelle.  He is a hit whore, nothing more...nothing less.  The people defending him on this thread have either been conned or are just as bad. 

348 He has ranted about any number of things on an almost daily basis, which is why most people here love this site.

Actually, Ace's "rants" are really the product of a studiously rational, balanced, and judicial mind.  He's still basically a lawyer, however much he hams it up.

And that's the real reason why we love this site.  We trust his judgment, whether he is talking about politics or the eternal fast-zombies vs. slow-zombies controversy.

349

che ha forti sentimenti e di sfiato frustrazione o rabbia

 

Something about a frustrated rabbi, I think. They don't have to take vows of chastity, do they?

350 I just don't think he deserves to be treated as some kind of pariah like Charles Johnston.

Posted by: Michael at November 25, 2009 12:01 AM (JtKsy)

What were the early warning signs of CJ's betrayal?

351

We trust his judgment, whether he is talking about politics or the eternal fast-zombies vs. slow-zombies controversy.

But not longbows versus crossbows.

352 "But not longbows versus crossbows."

Triple heh.

There has been very little talk of bitch breaking in these parts lately.

353 I guess for people who consider politics a game, he hasn't done anything they wouldn't do.

354 But not longbows versus crossbows.

I'm starting to like you, flenser.

Another bad thing about Ace -- he never posts any recipes.

What is wrong with the guy?

Every good blog offers a few recipes.

355 Anyone know which thread it was where Pinto was talking crossbows and Ace got pissed?

I suddenly need to reread that thread.

356 There has been very little talk of bitch breaking in these parts lately.

That's because Wickedpinto got himself banned.  Not just here.

357 BETA MASCHI!!!

358 Oh and for the record I have no problem with those SEALS doing whatever they need to do. A bloody Nose-shit he should be so lucky. the SEALS should be commended on taking him out while still breathing. Im always on the side of the military doing what they do best. Killing bad guys and breaking shit. So for me this is not the about the SEALS. in my mind they are the cat's ass. period. Its about other stuff that needs cleaning up

359 No shit, Michael?  I thought you guys were kinda close.  I brought it up thinking funny ha ha, not funny it's-always-sad-in-the-end.

360 Perché l'italiano?

361

Every good blog offers a few recipes.

Check out the ONT sometime, the moronettes talk recipies at this time of year. It's a nice break from the shoes.

362 I mean, I know he's non grata here, but I didn't know about it over at Innocent Bystanders.

363 AMERICA ... FUCK YEAH!

Siamo spiacenti per la vita dalla mia bocca, che è tutto ciò che so in inglese!!

Mucho appreciado MORONS de ACE blog! Si!

364 When you go back and recognize that we're talking about a fat lip on a terrorist, I mean, c'mon.  C'mon!

I would bet $1,000, even money, that this jihadist puke punched himself in the mouth after a SEAL looked in on him, just to work the system.

They may be crazy, but they're not stupid.

365 350 I just don't think he deserves to be treated as some kind of pariah like Charles Johnston.

Posted by: Michael at November 25, 2009 12:01 AM (JtKsy)

What were the early warning signs of CJ's betrayal?

Posted by: Rodent Liberation Front at November 25, 2009 12:15 AM (dQdrY)

The denouncements of "RACISM" and "White Supremacist" against all of the participants of a Counterjihad summit in Brussels that just came out of nowhere.

That was my first hint that something was really wrong with Charley.

 

366 I mean, I know he's non grata here, but I didn't know about it over at Innocent Bystanders.

Too bad, but yes, that happened.

367 I thought you guys were kinda close.

Actually, Doug has been a guest in my home and he is welcome to come back.

368 I apologise for my bad English I hook America! Lord bless no mouth breathers!

369 nascondi il declino!

370 Well, shit, Michael, I'm sorry about that.

And now doubly sorry about thinking you were the other Michael because I just skimmed a comment.

371 I think randomguy is a linguistics major at Michigan State University.

Just guessing.

372
Every good blog offers a few recipes.

Hey, I do a thanksgiving recipe thread every year.

373 Appena stanchi e bere il vino... Mi sono recato al college quando i computer utilizzato 'punch carte' e perdere le donne sono state rare. Questi giorni si presenta come un 'pussy festival'! nascondi il declino!

374 Hey Gabe.  Are you ever in Dallas?

375 Too gay for Dave? I did not know that was possible.

It's not possible. Michael must be drinking.

376 OK, I'm revising my opinion about randomguy.


He's just one more drunk Dago.

377  Actually, I was about five minutes from calling you guys back in October when it looked like I was gonna be stuck at DFW overnight. Fortunately, they managed to get the plane off the ground ahead of the storm system.

I probably won't be back that way for a while. Unless a certain coblogger who shall go unnamed decides to organize a Texas meetup. Then I'd probably fly out.

378 There's a lull in every long thread between the early threats of violence and the later, inevitable, bitter recriminations.  It's called food blogging.

With that in mind, the secret to making turkey gravy (or any gravy) is to make sure your thickening agent is thoroughly mixed with enough water.  Your gravy is lumpy?  Of course it is.  Why are you just pouring dry flour and/or starch into it and getting crazy with a whisk? 

Don't dry hump your gravy.

379 I probably won't be back that way for a while. Unless a certain coblogger who shall go unnamed decides to organize a Texas meetup. Then I'd probably fly out.

I hereby nominate Mesablue to hold a Texas meetup. He's in Texas now.

380 Don't dry hump your gravy.

Hah. Important safety tip.

381 Hola!

A Texas moron meet-up, hosted by Mesablue (at Sohos' house) is a great idea!!!

382 Well, Sohos' couch anyways.

383 Okay, okay, okay, I'm sorry.  It's time for bitter recriminations.

From Allah: "@Patterico The funniest part of being ripped by Ace's readers is that he and I agree on almost everything"

Well, if you had no social skills, (no, Twitter doesn't count), this might seem funny or odd to you.

To start, notice how Ace isn't wildly passive aggressive?

384

Now Allah's whining about why you're all so mean to him and not Ace.

  @Patterico The funniest part of being ripped by Ace's readers is that he and I agree on almost everything   Ace isn't a world-class douche. Allah is. Done. His tweety friends are all fellow limp-dicks or lame life-less drunkards. Who the fuck does he think he's kidding? Give up, beta drone.

385 God, I now feel terrible about my own passive aggressiveness.

But, the answer is kinda simple (and not just because I'm a social moderate like Allah, Ace, Gabe, et al, so I have to deal with this myself), focus on the agreements, prioritize them, don't get too bent out of shape when they rank below the top 10 or so.

386 How is it crazy that allah is another Hasan waiting to happen? He has the same "issues" with women. He's going to 'splode at some point.

387 "How is it crazy that allah is another Hasan waiting to happen? He has the same "issues" with women. He's going to 'splode at some point."

C'mon, that's just fucking crazy.  It is.  That's crazy talk.

In summary: crazy.

388

I get the feeling Ace actually believes what he says. And that makes all the difference.

389 "340 329. Then asshole write a fucking blog post that makes sense not some BS hate PS with a hate link to another BS hate piece by you. You suck as a blogger. get the fuck over it. your an amateur on a site that puts out good content and funny shit"

Hey Lance, find someone who will play games with you or pop up and play with me for real. I get paid for this, yeah man, to abuse your punk ass and, well many more important things. BUTT truly I am getting paid right now to call you a snow balling, felch machine. I have written so many coherent. devastating blog posts that pointing them out to you seems gosh just lame.

To quote David Spade. "Uh...Buh bye"

Cordially,

Uncle J

390

Basic, b v---

What's crazy is his disgusting sickness that is his life. Yes, Allah's crazy. IN summary: sick and crazy.

391 Igotoagym, you want to know the farthest I'll go with the Allah is... game?

Allah doesn't prioritize his disagreements as I do.  To me, he's thinking about it wrong, when he makes a big stink out of shit that doesn't really come back to the economy or national security in the end.  He should deal with this other shit when we finally find national security and a good economy again.

Beyond that?  Yeah, you're crazy.  You're a nut.  Allah isn't to the left of Frum, let alone the left of your standard Democrat.

He's a Hasan in waiting?  You're crazy.  Take a moment.  Think about it.  If you do, you might feel kinda bad about saying it.  Until then, in summary: crazy.

392

201, the postings to the QotD and AP's threads are way down over the last months since "purge of the non supine right" happened over Wookiee gate....

He won that battle we'll win the war.

393 I've said throughout that allah's an ass but he's at least partially on our side. We should keep him, even if it's just to bitch slap once in awhile.

The thing that really rankles with me is how he looks down his nose at his commenters. These are the fuckers that drive his numbers, and it appears to me that he thinks they're shit. He's ungrateful. I would never disrespect the people that supported my organization. I guess he's built differently.

For all the people bitching about Jimbo, it's personal with him, like it is with a lot of us. If you can't understand that, none of us is ever going to be able to explain it to you.

Nobody has excommunicated allah yet that I'm aware of.

394 Lots and lots of vitriol at Allahpundit for simply describing what was going on... not really endorsing anything aside from killing this scumbag terrorist.

These SEALs were ordered to obey a ROE.  To not hit EPWs.  Did they obey orders?  I don't know.  If they didn't, of course they have to be disciplined.  If they choose to decline NJP and get court martialed, then I wish them the very best luck.  They're heroic and deserve to be preserved and supported.  but they are expected to obey orders.

all those saying AP hates Palin or somehow is bad for conservatism simply don't get it.  It's OK for him to point out interesting news.  It's OK for him to say whatever the hell he wants.  Conservapedia fails for a reason.  Echo chambers are useless.  Totally useless.  the independents are listening to reason right now.  They are sick and tired of Obama.  AP represents that.

LGF is not a moderate republican. Dede Scozzafava is not a moderate republicans.  Andrew Sullivan is not a moderate republican.  They are hard leftists, through and through.  AP is not like that, on a fundamental level.  He does not try to tarnish those he disagrees with by lying.  he actually elevates good criticism of him, to foster discussion and have a better, more engaging, more successful news site.  Blackfive got the vast majority of his readers today from AP linking his complaint of AP.  That's how to blog with honor.  People complaining that AP is a sissy beta male who has no right to complain about soldiers, no matter what orders they allegedly disobeyed... those people just don't get it.  It's not about purity or silencing critics.  We win the argument, so let's have the fucking argument already.

395 "People complaining that AP is a sissy beta male who has no right to complain about soldiers, no matter what orders they allegedly disobeyed... those people just don't get it.  It's not about purity or silencing critics.  We win the argument, so let's have the fucking argument already."

Sorry, it's in my nature, consider me the contrarian's contrarian.  Where exactly did Allah forward the debate?

Guess I missed the part where he put it back in the critics' court.

And, sorry, just gotta say it once, as this is a smart military blog (once in a awhile) it's also crazy talk for us to lose a guy like Jimbo.

396 Okay, last comment, and I'll go back to ignoring this shit, like Allah should, until peace and prosperity start breaking out all over the place.  Palin criticism juxtaposed with Obama's Ft. Hood speech is QOTD over at Hot Air.  Yes, as previewed in Twitter, as previewed in comments here.

Predictable?  No, predictable would have been if it it had all happened faster.  This is just sad.

397 100 posts since my last one about 3 hours ago, wow. This is an all-nighter, looks like.

As for myself: Hey, AP, I'm not coming down on you at all, don't get me wrong. This whole tiff is like a great big joke for me, because I have got absolutely no skin in the game.

But it is true that you're being paid to get the numbers in, right? And it is true that while you might not have known about the insane rules SEALs work under (and that is something systemic the mil guys really need to work on, a not guilty verdict/dismissal kills your career regardless? wtf? are they Caesar's wife?), you're making hay while the sun shines, aren't you?

So take ownership, man. Be proud. You've got ~300 comments on the headlines post alone.

Ya know, exactly what did AP write that was so offensive? afaik;

1. Something on a wrist slap reminding other mil guys not to do anything more seriously stupid.

2. His prediction of a wrist slap.

3. His assumption that they did it.

Neither having military experience nor any skin in the game, I believe the 3rd issue is the one that would get my goat the most - presumed innocent until proven guilty, no? From premise 3 flows premise 2 and then 1.

So, dude. Own up. You should have put something in there saying they said they didn't do it, and whatever analysis you write up is based solely on what if they did.

Of course, with President BHOmbastic hosting show trials, it's entirely possible they would be found guilty regardless...

One would hope things have not gone that far south, of course.

398 I hear lots of times "you misunderstood AP" or "I don't think that's what AP meant" or "he wasn't saying that".

It seems the job of a blog writer is to make himself understood as much as possible. It's HIS job to make his intentions and points clear, not our job to read his mind.

As for his whining on Twitter about the criticism, AP should find another line of work if he's going to beat on a hornets nest and can't take a swarm of pissed off hornets

399 He kind of sounds like a mouthpiece for the country club RNC. That so many other bloggers love him is not happy making.

400 AP is only there by the good graces of Michelle and as counterpoint to Ed. He's beccome a broken record on Beck and Palin and it's boring.
Posted by: Deanna at November 24, 2009 09:28 PM (gxuV2)

That's ridiculous. He posts plenty of positive stuff on Palin. He's not completely uncritical, and he shouldn't be - since when did blogging equate to cheerleading?

Go through the archives and look at his Palin posts, the majority are clearly positive. The so called negative ones generally concern polling - should he simply not post things that aren't relentlessly upbeat? It's a political blog and, given she was on the ticket last time, it's natural to look at her level of support for a presidential run. But god forbid you comment on a political topic if the news doesn't look great.

401 I'M VERY ANGRY ABOUT THINGS!!!

402 Allahpundit posts about how a fat lip is the kind of reason we should ruin the careers of SEALs.

I have no idea how you get this from Allah's post.  He linked Goldfarb favorably.  Surely that's agreeable.  He then predicted what the Obamites would do.  He may have misinterpreted the significance of the request for court marshal, but it was an honest mistake.

I can't tell that he even expressed an opinon either way.  Maybe favorable to a wrist slap.  Without knowing that a wrist slap would end careers.

Not getting the white-hot outrage.

403 DrewM.: 
Based on everything I've read from AP, his most conservative trait is his desire to see terrorist die in new and exciting ways.

Bingo.  The blog he started, his pseudonym, his reason for being (I hate French), is to kill terrorists and make fun of Islam.

Hard to believe he'd take the stance that's being attributed to him.

404

I wouldn't really consider this to be red on red Jimbo. More like red on  lavender.

Hates Rush: check

Hates Beck: check

Hates Palin: check

Hates Christians: check

Hates southerners: check

Let me know if I left anything out.

405 "Giving the SEALs a zero-tolerance wrist slap reminds other troops not to do anything more seriously stupid that might be exploited politically."?


Yes, because politically exploiting war (fracking darwinian lawyers) is tolerable because it provides an air of smugness for those concerned about appearances

If  protecting smarmy politics and its darwinian apes with laws degrees is so vital to maintaining an air of pretense then brings our troops home so that they do not have sacrifce their personal lives defending such political exploitation.

After the politcal expoitation of the Haditha Marines I have come to loathe poltical exploitaters at war with out own men and women serving in the military.

As far as Conservatism is concerned Allahrunt is only concerned with Israel and will be sorely disppointed when  the political exploitaters of war go after Israel's jets  for  flying  over Iraq airspace on their way to taking out Iran nuke facitlity.

406 Blazer, he doesn't hate any of those groups.  That's just asinine.  That's the whole problem.  The idiots are lying about Allahpundit, and it makes them look pathetic.  I'm probably more conservative than 99% of folks out there, and while I don't agree with AP on a lot of stuff, he's not hateful about basically anything.  He's not hard on Palin... he just knows to post stories about her to give us a place to discuss this relevant topic.  He certainly isn't making her look bad.

All that other stuff... basically same story.

AP loves the military.  He's very pro war on terror.  This idea that he's too beta to question the manner in which our military provide him with freedom is incorrect.  He expects SEALs to obey orders.  If they didn't, which we don't know, he understand that the military may go after a slap on the wrist.  Now, he's not really endorsing that so much as explaining what's going on.  He doesn't bash the notion, though, and he shouldn't have to.  A career ending action is the opposite of a slap on the wrist, and it's just ad hoc reasoning to say they are the same thing.  The SEALs decided to take this to the next level, and I pray that works out for these heroes.

but AP's as popular as Rush Limbaugh.  he's incredibly important to the discussion, and this idea that he's not friendly enough to the right is ridiculous.  I don't mean to compare anyone here to LGF... you aren't even slightly as bad as that, but LGF is where weak people go to get away from unfriendly discussion.  Hot Air is where people go to have a hearty debate.  I see moderates and hard liners having discussions at Hot Air about what's up because it's a place both find interesting things to talk about.  That's the point!  It's not necessary to filter out all the stories that require discussion, thinking, even adjustment.  Sometimes the GOP screws up, Palin isn't perfect and doesn't need to be, and the GOP is in the process of making massive headway with the indepedent voters.

I realize a lot of people here have great distaste for the fucking idiots who voted for Obama.  Guess what: we actually need some of them.  I'm not saying we shouldn't be conservative, I am saying we need to dialogue with those who aren't.

407 syn,

your 495 post is hard to understand.

AP is right.  Disciplining troops who disobey orders is an obviously crucial aspect to military training.  It's a 'no shit, sherlock' concept that has very little to do with all the other crap you talked about, from evolution to the exit ramp nonsense.  We don't want our soldiers to assault detainees, and for good strategic reasons.  I don't even think an assault occurred, but if it did, our SEALs disobeyed their solemn responsibility.  It's not the end of the world... and I think a good commander should be able to use this to ensure it doesn't happen again, without destroying these SEALs.  Maybe not, now that a court martial has been called for.  If not, then our military needs to fix that.  Soldiers will occasionally lose their cool and punch people, even eachother, or obviously the monsters they are fighting.  We need a way to deal with this in a 'slap on the wrist' teaching method.  AP seems to want that.  I think most of us do.

408 but AP's as popular as Rush Limbaugh.  he's incredibly important to the discussion, and this idea that he's not friendly enough to the right is ridiculous.  I don't mean to compare anyone here to LGF... you aren't even slightly as bad as that, but LGF is where weak people go to get away from unfriendly discussion.


When making a statement such as this it is no wonder you do not understand.

You are puffing hotair where there is no air; most have no idea Allahpundit exists.

Darling; the Army of Davids is not 'the great'  that it pretends to be, so to compare Allahpundit to Rush is weak; blogs have to reach 1/10th of the radio's audience.

And please stop propping up the INDEPENDENTS as if they are some God-like creatures we should cherish since they are the votes who put Oba Mao and the Party of Darwarian Lawyers into power; they do not have a terrific voting record.

How many more fracking babysteps will it take for INDEPENDENTS to comprehend why they made a grave mistake?

409 Further;

Bring our troops home and let the The Nobel Peace Prize Committee deal with the fucking consequence of its ridiculous nature.

Since 9/11/2001 I willingly spent $100 grand of my money supporting, defending, providing for our troops only to be demoralized by either politicians exploiting this war for their own personal gain or by darwinian apes with fucking law degrees desperate to puff up their fucking over-bloated, obese profession.

I have had enough of the bullshit, bring our trrops home and make The Nobel Peace Prize Committee deal with the situation.

410 Remember this The Nobel Peace Prize Committee;

Fucking political exploiter of war John Murtha (D-PA) was re-elected because the fat pig brought home slabs of fat-happy pork.

Just how many fucking Darwinian apes with law degrees went after John Murtha for CONDEMNING our troops before he knew the facts?


And, Murtha did this during an election mother-fucking Darwinian apes with Ivy-Inbred Law degrees!

Not one Darwinian ape with an Ivy-Inbred Law degree did a damn thing about John Martha; not one!

411

 while I don't agree with AP on a lot of stuff, he's not hateful about basically anything.  He's not hard on Palin... . 

but AP's as popular as Rush Limbaugh

Posted by: The Nobel Peace Prize Committee (NPPC) at November 25, 2009 07:28 AM

These get my vote for the two funniest comments of the day.  Thanks.

412

What the fuck? Did I really read that Uncle J who is a goddamned spec. opps vet doesen't have the right to bad mouth the great Allahpundit? That he's acting childishly?

Are you motherfucking kidding me?

Let me explain it to you bloggers who are taking this line of attack, compared to anyone with an honorable discharge or currently serving you are not worth a drop of piss in fucking rainstorm.

Oh Allah has done so much for our side don't be mean to him.

Allah has'nt done shit but snark at a keyboard and never will. If these guys had beat this piece of shit to death in custody they would still be far better men than the great Allahpundit will ever be.

Really get the fuck over yourselves.

413 AP is a douchebag.  Having lived the life of the typical pussy beta-male, there are several things he completely doesn't get.  One of them is that "supporting the troops" includes not throwing them under the goddamn bus every time some terrorist-supporting cocksucker in the GOI whines about one of his tribesmen getting slapped.  Yes, I've been over there and seen the worthless crap the Iraqis will whine about trying to game the system.  The Grand Prize for Chutzpah goes to the owner of the Zarqawi house, who showed up at the FOB insisting that we should reimburse him for his house that we flattened.  Sorry pal, next time be more careful about who you rent to...

414

I tend to oversimplify things but I'll try to be nuanced on this one thing : Dear SEALS and other US forces,

We're sorry you have to put up the this bullshit. We'll try to vote better and give you some civilian leadership that doesn't blow goats. In the meantime, just shoot the fuckers, unless you think the intel is worth it. We'll understand. And, if some tard drags something to court, try to get a criminal jury with civilians because I guarentee there is always one of us out out there on that jury that will pack a fucking lunch and lock that jury down until we get you to walk free and clear. It's the least we can do.

Thanks

415 Look, he likes Megan McCain.  End of story.  He ain't not conservative, and really shouldn't be calling himself a Republican.  For all you defenders out there, come to grips with it.

And now he's twittering (gay) that he should do something else.  Well little Arlen Spectre wannabee, just go ahead and do it.  Switch sides and validate what quite a few of us think of your ass.

416 Be very careful @drewmtips and @gabrielmalor

some morons tweet.

Know whose side you're really on.

417 I would <em>dearly</em> love if this were a <strong>psyop</strong> initiated by the SEALs.  The timing is exquisite considering the "terror trials" coming up in NYC.  

If done right, all the horror of Ahmed Hashim Abed's terror activities (especially the Blackwater bridge incident) will be on full display while KSM and his team of attorneys is posturing in NYC.  The contrast between how we treat terrorists and how we treat our most elite & professional warriors should outrage even the most complacent citizens.  

If this isn't a psyop already, it certainly can be turned into one.  A psyop not on the enemy, but one focused on the global media, the American public, and the terrorist-sympathetic politicians.  

Wouldn't that just make your day?!

418

Suspect about half the country, the red half, wouldn't think twice about a fat lip on a terrorist or even a black eye or two.  Our special forces are trained to succeed at warfare, to put it in PC terms.  Plus, most of them are relatively young and still heavily-testosteroned.  It is ignorant and mindless to think there won't be a slip occasionally.  The absolute miracle is that there aren't much more cinematic activity extremes on a much more frequent basis.  It speaks to the phenomenal nature of their character that problems are kept to a minimum.  I' m very proud of these men.

If this tribunal goes PC, the military will regret it.  Conservatives will pummel them electronically for months.

419

Hey NPPC does Allah have an nice crease in his pants?

420

Can someone 'splain this to me. I know a few SEALs. They are trained to accomplish their mission--precisely--no more, no less.

If the asshat raghead got popped by a SEAL, and I highly doubt it, the asshat had it coming.

Moreover, if a SEAL popped the asshat, how is it that he only got a fat lip? It's simply not possible. If a SEAL needed to put him out of commission, he would have no teeth and maybe no head. It doesn't add up.

421

The Three S should be mentioned here.

3/S use only with buddies who won't turn coat on you.

1. Shoot.

2. Shovel.

3. SHUT UP.

422 Be very careful @drewmtips and @gabrielmalor
some morons tweet.
Know whose side you're really on.
Posted by: ExTex at November 25, 2009 09:19 AM (t6yvu)

Oh noes! Twitter is public? My double secret plan to bad mouth people behind their backs has been foiled!

Of course, I've also posted over a dozen comments on this thread making it very clear where I stand, so maybe the jig was up then.

I think I've made it very clear between my front page post on this issue and my comments on this thread where I stand on the various issues raised.

But if you are having fun playing Junior Stassi Agent on Twitter, don't let me stop you.

423 hahahahaha...man I so wish I had gotten in on that bet.

424 By Uncle Jimbo ::Hey Lance, find someone who will play games with you or pop up and play with me for real. I get paid for this, yeah man, to abuse your punk ass and, well many more important things. BUTT truly I am getting paid right now to call you a snow balling, felch machine. I have written so many coherent. devastating blog posts that pointing them out to you seems gosh just lame."""

you have written so many devastating blog posts? Now that is funny shit. Maybe we have a little god complex working?

So you are getting paid to "abuse me" at 1:28 AM by commenting on Ace's blog? Ain't capitalize grand? They will pay all night long for amateur hacks on blogs that late. Congrats on the gig for lack of talent.

"Pop up and play with you for real?"
Are you threatening me Jimbo? Is that your way of dealing with your inadequacies on here? Is this where I get scared. You don't know a thing about me. Where I served and what Ive done. Is that smart on your part? Ive taken issue with you and your lack of respect for this site, not my brothers and sisters and you should be able to distinguish the difference. Not once did I take issue with the Seals or anything regarding the military, I would hope that you would notice that. Read between the lines, its not that hard.

Don't threaten me Jimbo? Its just not smart on here or anywhere else.

425 Sounded to me like he just made you an offer, lance. Man up. Why hide behind that legal term "threat?"

426 call it what you want Rodent. Its juvenile and sad at best.

427 I like simplicity. I find honesty in it. Things like Duty, Honor and Country are very simple concepts.

428
but AP's as popular as Rush Limbaugh.


Are you fucking kidding me?  Do you actually believe that bullshit?

429 couldn't agree more Rodent. Ive lived it. my argument was not about the Seals or any mission. It was about using the wrong venue in the wrong way. He knew that in the first line of his blog post. This was not the place or the manner. He had access to a bigger horn and he used it improperly. I am done hashing this BS. Have a good Thanksgiving Rodent and Jimbo if you read this you and I are and have been on the same team and maybe even at the same time. I agree with your post and its substance. That wasn't the issue for me and you have a great Thanksgiving.

430 I don't care for Allahpundit or that site. As far as I'm concerned, let the beatdown commence.

431

do you know who the fuck he is? Allahpundit is just an atheist who purposely posts controversial things on his blog cut him some slack

432 He's just one more drunk Dago.
Posted by: Michael at November 25, 2009 12:53 AM (JtKsy)

Nota bene! Also - you our racistimo!

Eat turkey long time!

433 Mentioning AP, pro or con, is worse than a Malor gay marriage post for turning the morons against one another.

434

AP's as popular as Rush Limbaugh

Silliest line on a thread full of silly lines. Outside of the small blogging world nobody has ever even heard of Allahpundit. He sure as hell doesn't have millions of fans.

435 So what precisely is it these seals supposedly did that warrants all this flap? 

Not for a nanosecond do I believe some bad guy who got tuned up has anything to do with this.  That's a smokescreen. 

436

Hot Air is where people go to have a hearty debate. 

This guy is a gold-mine of funny one-liners.

437 This case is such obvious bullshit that it would be funny if it wasn't going to cost the navy three good men (I assume they will have no desire to continue their careers after they are exonerated.) If three SEALs decided to tune this guy up, he would not be in any condition to be complaining. Fat lip, my fat ass. Whatever wound the turd had were obviously self-inflicted. The Navy should have said so.

If we don't get rid of the PC military pretty soon, no one is going to volunteer to serve. Then where exactly will this country be? It will be relying on the Obama hug a thug and grovel to a dictator foreign policy. Swell.

438 Bingo. The blog he started, his pseudonym [allahpundit], his reason for being (I hate French), is to kill terrorists and make fun of Islam.

Posted by: FUBAR at November 25, 2009 04:50 AM (7/PMM)

LOL. Allahpundit is the guy who threw a hissy fit because dogsoldier called The Precedent 'Hussein' on Hotair. A guy who calls himself 'allah' getting his panties in a bunch over someone using the Indonesian imbecile's actual name of 'hussein'. Yep, that's typical allah. Making fun of islam ... yeah ...

And then the twerp got all politically correct because of the LGF drive-by. That was another high point.

Finally, if his reason for being were "to kill terrorists" then he certainly would not have written that idiotic opinion about the SEALs. Forget killing the terrorists, if allah had any brains at all he wouldn't have written such a moronic post, as any normal person can see the attacks on our own that have been coming fast and furious from this adminstration and Washington junta and this is just one more in a long series.

Allah is too stupid to understand the situation our nation is in. He lives in a fantasy world, which is why his analysis (of just about everything) is a joke, at best.

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Posted by: ExTex at November 25, 2009 09:19 AM (t6yvu)

"Oh noes! Twitter is public? My double secret plan to bad mouth people behind their backs has been foiled!" Drew

I'm curious, do you read your own tweets? You write as though twitter is exclusive to you and your few intimates.   I wonder, do you think it cute to have your intimate conversations re: your blog readers on such an open forum? Is it meant to show your intellectual superiority when talking directly to those you believe to be elites? If I were you I would indeed find a more private forum.
And, no I do not follow you, simply ran across the allah, drew, gabriel. et al conversation. I find your tweets no more interesting than a teen's tweets re: her wonderful life. Though my original post was not well written it was meant as a heads up only.  I would hate to see you ruin the comradarie on this site.

440 AP's problem is that he's become a caricature of himself and he doesn't know it. His job is to get traffic by annoying HA readers. He never actually does any analysis of anything serious, his posts are 110% observation and snark. This SEAL thing is something HA should mention, but how do you turn it into lots of activity? If Captain Ed posted about it, obviously it would have been a different message and obviously it wouldn't have gotten as much attention. So Allah takes it because his role is to drum up activity at the site. He's taken that and run with it to the point where he's a pale copy of Chucky Johnson, particularly in the arrogant and condescending way he writes when referring to people criticizing him. He's a jerk and I suspect his time at HA is running out.

441

ExTex, for me Twitter is useful for connecting with friends and readers. I'm not really sure what you found offensive, but I haven't had an "intimate conversations" on Twitter or any other forum where anyone can see my conversation.  If it's public, it defeats the purpose of intimacy. So when you read something I said on Twitter, you can be sure I intended it to be public.

442

Some of these comments and the post over at Blackfive are total bullshit.  A guy who runs a right-wing blog and is a supporter of our military is called all sorts of ridiculous names in lieu of pretty much any argument at all.  If you start in on the ad hominem stuff immediately, start calling him a piece of shit or the nonsense that was being slung around on BlackFive, you can go fuck yourself.  Insulting someone like AllahPundit in such a fashion over the paragraph he wrote about this brouhaha is just plain bullshit. 

443 Well, as long as allah's feelings have been hurt, that's the important thing.

444

Michael,

Eat me.

445
442

Some of these comments and the post over at Blackfive are total bullshit.  A guy who runs a right-wing blog and is a supporter of our military is called all sorts of ridiculous names in lieu of pretty much any argument at all.  If you start in on the ad hominem stuff immediately, start calling him a piece of shit or the nonsense that was being slung around on BlackFive, you can go fuck yourself.  Insulting someone like AllahPundit in such a fashion over the paragraph he wrote about this brouhaha is just plain bullshit.

Posted by: Little Big Tiny Small Guy at November 25, 2009 03:54 PM (iL+0I)  

 

You've still got some on your chin.  You may want to wipe that off.

Er, I mean "Hi Allahpundit!"

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448 Posted by: ExTex at November 25, 2009 02:51 PM (t6yvu)

Can you actually point to a Tweet of mine where I disparaged anyone who reads or comments here? My guess is no.

FTR-Are there commenters here who I don't get along with? Sure. The feeling seems to be pretty mutual, so it's not like it's a secret.

If you write for a site like this or even comment regularly, there are going to be people you don't connect with. We're all about strong opinions, strongly stated and defended here. You can't do that on a site that gets 100,000 hits a day and not rub some people the wrong way. In fact if you weren't creating some controversy and disagreement, you'd be doing it wrong and have the world's most boring blog.

You seem to think there's a conservative blogger conspiracy of Twitter. All I can say is if there is, I'm not part of it. Allah doesn't even 'follow' me on Twitter. We've had maybe half a dozen Twitter 'conversations' that amount to maybe 30 Tweets.

As for my Tweets not being any more interesting than a teenage girls? Don't read them. You don't have to worry, I won't be talking about you behind your back.

449 Jimbo,

While I agree with you in this case, perhaps you/blackfive should look into your own actions before you go red on red.

I am not referring to this post, I am referring to your complete dismissal of the US Air Force as a fighting force.

As an Air Force vet can I give you a big  FU for all of your posts over the years?

I love aircraft and I am good at electronics. You tell me what branch of service I should have joined?

Hell blackfive.net can't even register a domain name properly.

Just  because I did not fit your SF mold you dis my service?

FU for putting down my service.

Food for thought.

F15Mech

450 I see the Air Force is bringing a twinkie to a gunfight.

451 a twinke (being a F-15E/F16) or a MOAB, or an A-10 or maybe a few PJ's

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