1 Sad but true.  You need to fight boobs with boobs.  Takes away Babs trump card.  You don't have to like it, you just have to deal with it.

2 I head Fiorina sucked at HP and got out just in time to save the company.

3
"Michael Steele, Ken Blackwell... good men, certainly, but let's be real, here: Part of the attraction of these candidates is their race."



So a guy who nods his head in agreement whenever someone refers to the folks he represents as racists and Nazis is a good man ?

Lost me there.

4 they scared HRC off using her gender too and that did wonders
Obama took the Change mantel
if DeVore really has a shot fine, he is the more conservative agree, BUT, in Cali blue blue Calie, Fiorina, as former head of HP and yes a woman, and hey she looks FIERCE with that shaved head post chemo
it is just a fact that Cali is drien by image
let her use the image advantage she has in the race

5 Guess what, sweetie?  You can't beat Bouncer either.  I use that name for that disgrace to the Senate for a good reason.  The creature was one of the very worst of those who used the federal treasury as a personal piggy bank.  Remember - it wasn't that long ago.  So, what did the voters of California do?  Yup, reelected Bouncer overwhelmingly.

6 I couldn't care less what you are as long as I agree with your positions. That being said, I can't say that I mind it unless that is the only thing that you have to sell yourself with

7 I dunno, Mark Hurd had that taping employees shxt all over him too in HP
Carly's not a politician per se, but as a former Silicon Valley CEO she has all the chops and is pro capitalism, always a plus these days

Carly pushed thru the HP Compaq merger and THAT helped HP, it took a while but it helped

8 Is having a vagina a requirement for a US Senate seat in CA?

9 >>>That being said, I can't say that I mind it unless that is the only thing that you have to sell yourself with

That would be annoying, but as far as I can tell, this is the first time Fiorina's ever mentioned it, so it's hardly like this is the sum and entirety of her platform.

10
You know what Fiorina's biggest weakness is?

She's a moderate. Why would the voters in California vote for a pandering moderate?

11

>>>Fiorina isn't exactly playing identity politics. She's not saying, as Sotomayor did, that she's better qualified due to her sex. Instead, she's saying that her sex might make her more appealing to female voters

Hammer >>> nail on the head.

With that said, Fiorina was flat out wrong on Justice Soto

12 Re: Michael Steele

I guess I meant *before* he became chair of the RNC. Before that, he had an awful lot of support, and I can't imagine that it was merely because he had been lieutenant governor. Part of the appeal was that he was black.

I mean-- lt. governor isn't a joke position, but it's certainly not really a top-dog position like Governor or Senator.

How many other lt. governors' names do you know?

We knew about Steele for one major reason.

13 That would be annoying, but as far as I can tell, this is the first time Fiorina's ever mentioned it, so it's hardly like this is the sum and entirety of her platform.

Posted by: ace at November 23, 2009 03:12 PM (jlvw3)

Wasn't talking about her, just in general terms

14
Um, waitaminute, Ace.

I don't think you're giving J.C. Watts enough credit. He wasn't a token; Watts wasn't a pussy and that's why we loved him.

15 When I was a nutty liberal, I used to make a decision as to whether to support someone by considering their sex. If a candidate was a woman,  I was more likely to vote for them -- just to balance the books. Now as a conservative, I understand the need to attract the most voters and win. So unless Fiorina was a Diablo, I can see why one might want to support her against Boxer, who we all rightly detest. But everyone has to make up their own mind as to the liberal threshhold they would be willing to accept in order to win.

16

that Fiorina is the moderate, or even the RINO, and DeVore is the true conservative. (Or at least is more conservative.) I buy that. I don't really have the facts to back that up, but that seems to me to be the thumbnail-sketch of the decision.

And therein lies the problem: we have no idea if Carly is a conservative, right of center type of candidate or who knows what. DeVore is a known quality.

But, guess what, that is what primaries are for: a time period to allow the candidate to outline their views, positions, etc. 

Yeah, Carly gets to mention she is a woman. Now, how about getting around to talking about things we do not know yet: what are you going to do to create jobs, where are you on resolving our debt issues, what is your position on healthcare, bank regulation, campaign finance reform, guns, issues of life and how do we deal with Iran, North Korea, Iraq, et. al.

I'll wait..........

17

Um yeah, Carly baby doll, I remember you. You're the emancipated woman who came up with the sleazy ideas of building obsolescence into Hewlett-Packard Computers so that their computers would burn out coincidentally at about the same time that their extended warranties expired ..., and, oh yeah, the other sleazy idea of outsourcing tech support on H-P-s computers to India, causing tech support to get worse and worse every year.

So what you're telling us, Carly sweetie, is that you're going to give Californians a choice between voting for an obnoxious Democrat or a sleazy Republican, have I got that right?

18 LAST time I checked there WAS an I in penis but an US in uterus.

.

19
Posted by: ace at November 23, 2009 03:15 PM (jlvw3)




I actually liked Steele very much ace, and was beating the drum pretty loud for him to be installed as the RNC head. I thought it would show that the GOP was  big tent and all inclusive, but above that I thought Steele deserved it and was very much qualified the job. With that said, ever since its been one *facepalm* moment after another with him. Hes gone on to show he doesn't have a backbone or the desire to stand up to the opposition. On the contrary, he's practically doing their work for them now.

I was wrong.

20 How many other lt. governors' names do you know?

In Illinois, we learn of ours about every 6 years....that is usually when they become Governor. Oh, if only we could stop getting our sitting Goverrnor's indicted, we would be blissfully ignorant.

21

Legislative scorecard for Chuck DeVore
Project Vote Smart provides the following results from legislative scorecards.

Equality California – 0% for 2008, 10% for 2007
Planned Parenthood Affiliates of California – 18% for 2008
California National Organization for Women – 30% for 2007
Lambda Letters Project (LGBT) – 29% for 2007
California Farm Bureau Federation – 100% for 2006
California Taxpayers' Association – 100% for 2007
California Chamber of Commerce – 100% for 2007
California Manufacturers and Technology Association – 89% for 2007
National Federation of Independent Business – 100% for 2006
Consumer Federation of California – 0% for 2007
California Republican Assembly – 100% for 2007
California League of Conservation Voters – 5% for 2007
Children's Advocacy Institute – 63% for 2007
Gun Owners of California – A for 2006
National Rifle Association – A for 2008
PawPAC (an animal rights group) – F for 2007
Howard Jarvis Taxpayers Association – 98.7% for 2008

Black bold are for "moron" friendly organizations.Red bold are lefty friendly orginizations that you would want a low score from.

22 Me thinks Michelle has jumped the shark on this one by uttering Fiorina and Scozzafalafel in the same sentence. Ace is likely correct on this one: Michelle has made up her mind who she supports and this is just one more thing to hit that person's opponent over the head with.

23
And for the record, I was never a fan of Michael Steele.

He was a panderer (on the illegal immigration issue) when he was running for Senate. Steele didn't hesitate to take shots at the base at that time, either.

24 All Boxer has to do is pretend to be more centrist than she really is. That's how California lefties get elected. Fiorina in the senate race and Whitman in the governor's race are counting on magical thinking where being as much like the incumbent as possible will somehow entice voters their way.

Meanwhile, that never works. Ever.

25 "With all due respect and deep affection for white men -- I'm married to one -- but [Boxer] knows how to beat them"

Damn our complete interchangeability and lack of the unique personhood that is the mark of women and non-whites!

26 I actually liked Steele very much ace, and was beating the drum pretty loud for him to be installed as the RNC head. I thought it would show that the GOP was  big tent and all inclusive, but above that I thought Steele deserved it and was very much qualified the job. With that said, ever since its been one *facepalm* moment after another with him. Hes gone on to show he doesn't have a backbone or the desire to stand up to the opposition. On the contrary, he's practically doing their work for them now.

I was wrong.

Posted by: Blazer at November 23, 2009 03:20 PM (+FzLa)

same spot I'm in. I still like him as a person but as a head of a political party, I sadly wish I could take a mulligan on him. For every good thing, there are 5 other things that make me slap my head about

27 I vote in Boxer's district and the problem is nobody actually campaigns against these nutjobs. Seriously! Nobody has posed a major threat to take these seats away from them, so they get cocky.

Here's something nobody mentions....

Pelosi was just reelected on the same ballot as Obama. Did she even campaign? Not a single day. Did anyone even mention she was up for reelection? The media didn't even announce her results on election night. Isn't that odd considering she is speaker of the house?

28

Pelosi was just reelected on the same ballot as Obama. Did she even campaign?

No, and this just proves the media is a mouthpiece for conservatives. How many of you knew that I was her opponet in 2008?

29 27 I vote in Boxer's district...

It's a big district.

30

same spot I'm in. I still like him as a person but as a head of a political party, I sadly wish I could take a mulligan on him. For every good thing, there are 5 other things that make me slap my head about

Posted by: fartbubble at November 23, 2009 03:24 PM (cBeTr)

He shows moments of brilliance, but your right, get him in front of a CNN or MSNBC camera and the guy almost always gets the yips and will make you want to throw a shoe at the t.v.

31 Does this mean we have to run Huckabee against JugEars to win back the vital douchebag vote?

32 >>>I don't think you're giving J.C. Watts enough credit. He wasn't a token; Watts wasn't a pussy and that's why we loved him.

I wouldn't say he was a token, myself. But there are a lot of conservative spokesmen in the House. A lot of reps come from safe deep-red districts and so are pretty pure on the conservative line.

I'm saying: There is a reason other than pure ideology or articulateness that this particular rep was elevated into a national spokesman.

Look, you can't deny that *part* of the appeal here was the messenger himself, and not just the message.

33 Hell this is California we're talking about here.Whatever it takes to put a Republican in the Senate is fine by me.I live in Massachusetts and I'd vote for a drag queen Republican if it would remove Kerry or Kennedy's replacement from the Senate.

34 I actually find her quote objectionable. She is not merely saying that as a woman she has a better chance running against another woman. Her use of the phrase "white guy" is straight out of the Democrat's playbook, whether or not she meant it to be. It implies that Republicans and conservatives are nothing but white guys...wink, wink--racists...and she will temper the racist tendencies inherent in the Party. Fuck her.

35

One observation about Palin:

Does anybody else think that the angry left has shot their wad early on Palin? 

I'm starting to get a feeling that the left has immunized Palin for 2012 by coming after her with such insane animosity.

I liken it to the Republican attacks on "Slick Willie."  By 1996, NOBODY wanted to hear it anymore.  I remember being infuriated that nobody cared about the Chinese fundraising scandal (and the way Reno refused to investigate).  A lot of commentators made the point that the public had scandal fatigue and were tuning out any negative attacks on Clinton (in spite of their relevance).

Could it be that by slandering Palin early, the left is making her the most TEFLON candidate that the GOP can field in 2012?

Am I on to something, or am I an idiot?

36 We knew about Steele for one major reason.

Posted by: ace at November 23, 2009 03:15 PM (jlvw3)

 

and the other reason was he was a Republican LtGov in one of the bluest most commie states in the Union

_{I'm from MD and trust me- if they could make it a benign leftwing dictatorship, they would}

37

No, and this just proves the media is a mouthpiece for conservatives. How many of you knew that I was her opponet in 2008?

Posted by: Cindy Sheehan at November 23, 2009 03:26 PM (V9SYy)

I knew Cindy and for the first time in my life I was rooting for the Botoxed Bolshevik. It boiled down to a moonbat vs. a shithouse crazy barking moonbat with rabies .

38 I'd like to take the opportunity right now to point out that Rick Moran is a useless little twerp whose only accomplishment appears to be deliberately pissing off conservatives. By comparison, David Frum is a giant among men.

Moran ought to just rename his blog as LeftWingNutHouse. 

Thank you.

39 Watts was/is great on the conservative issues.  Fiorina is a scrunt.  I agree with your concern about DeVore, however, he is not Fiorina and sometimes that is all you need to know.

40 Join the Boxer Rebellion. I prefer DeVore but frankly I don't care who beats the 'boxer of rocks' as long as somebody does.

41

If Carly Fiorina wins this one, don't expect great things from her. She will be better than Boxter on straight party line stuff, but beyond that she's not much to write home about.

If she wins the nomination I'll vote for her as she's not Boxter.

42

Posted by: OregonMuse at November 23, 2009 03:33 PM (hoowK)

did you see his column on how Crist can win the senate race? I was thinking: "This should be renamed on how to lose the senate race"

43
Does Devore even dare mention that Fiorina steered two large corporations into the rocks during her tenure or is that hitting the girl ?

44 Lay off Rick Moran, his opinions have evolved. You against evolution?

45 Let them play baby!

Let them play like there's two minutes left in an NHL playoff game. Politics and playoff hockey are not for the squeamish.

46 Lay off Rick Moran, his opinions have evolved. You against evolution?

Posted by: Charles Johnson, Photographer at November 23, 2009 03:37 PM (GGgoa)

haha

47

Does Devore even dare mention that Fiorina steered two large corporations into the rocks during her tenure or is that hitting the girl ?

But, it appears Boxer wants to steer one large country into the rocks - so I guess that is worse.

48
Rick Moran. I loved him in Ghostbusters as the nutty neighbor.

49 I would dispute that Palin's appeal to us, or me at least, is 'getting blue collar women voters.'  She is able and willing to fight the Democrats and their media.  You may see the crowds she draws tactically, but I just see them as folks like me.

The extent of my knowledge of the CA senate race was that Fiorna's basic selling point is that she's ridiculously wealthy and would spend her own money in order to get liberal donors to waste theirs on a safe race.  It's not so safe be she announced a while ago that she was no longer willing to spend her own money.  But I'll I've heard is through RedState and they're pretty clearly on the DeVore bandwagon, so grain of salt and all that.

50 Not in CA, but I would vote winner of repub primary, nevertheless, I don't think either repub can win in that lib state.  In the end, I have no problem in her mentioning boob vs boob race has some advantages, except that as soon as she mentions it, it loses its credibility as a it becomes a political concoction. (This is why I believe O didn't do much race stuff in 08, because it actually would have hurt him as an attempt to pander.)

51

Ace I agree with you on JC Watts, just adding my .02 his popularity in Oklahoma was also due in no small part to his success as an OU quarterback.

 

Anecdotally, I was stuck on the tarmac at Reagan (or National I guess) in the mid 90s, flight pattern was backed up, and JC was on the flight, sitting in coach with the rest of us slobs.  Everybody recognized him, he spent that hour and a half on the runway visiting with people, pressin the flesh and all.  Very popular guy.

52

Sadly, playing the gender card is probably necessary nowadays and for the foreseeable future.  The 19th Amendment opened up a whole new world of grievance-mongering-for-votes, and if we don't exploit it in the same way that the Left does then we're at a disadvantage, no matter how superior conservative ideas are.  And these days the cost of defeat is way too high - even dirt bag RINOs are better by far than leftists.

I propose a new rule:  whenever running against a woman or minority, we have to recruit a matching sexual/ethnic identity.  Let's just go ahead and codify it.  That way there are no hard feelings in the future, and a lot of campaign money can be saved for when it matters.  It might even force attention to go to the issues at hand...  We should also mandate that all campaign materials include emotional appeals to "think of the children" and praise for unwed mothers and whatnot.    Cynical?  Yes.  But probably necessary to fend off the enemy.

53

He (Steele) shows moments of brilliance

Blazer, you must watch a hell of alot of t.v. - I'm still waiting on that moment of brilliance.

54 You against evolution?

don't get me started on that now...


I would dispute that Palin's appeal to us, or me at least, is 'getting blue collar women voters.'  She is able and willing to fight the Democrats and their media.  You may see the crowds she draws tactically, but I just see them as folks like me.

exactly, I agree 100%

55 >>>I would dispute that Palin's appeal to us, or me at least, is 'getting blue collar women voters.'

Well consider it bonus damage then.

56 Can she beat Babs Boxer? If so, I'll forget all about that little Compaq thing.

57 I'm trying to figure out just how racist her comments are

58

Blazer, you must watch a hell of alot of t.v. - I'm still waiting on that moment of brilliance.

Posted by: Mallamutt at November 23, 2009 03:41 PM (V9SYy)

He heard it on his RCA radio set.

59 We knew about Steele for one major reason.

We sure did.  He was the only Republican elected to a state wide office in Maryland.

60 I'm still waiting on that moment of brilliance.

would outraising the DNC every month since Obama was inaugurated count?

61

Blazer, you must watch a hell of alot of t.v. - I'm still waiting on that moment of brilliance.

Posted by: Mallamutt at November 23, 2009 03:41 PM (V9SYy)

I should have said before he was head of the RNC. At any rate he's good at giving speeches, he sucks at interviews.

62 ""I propose a new rule:  whenever running against a woman or minority, we have to recruit a matching sexual/ethnic identity.""


Sooo, in order to beat obama we need to some how find yet another kenyan born muslim with questionable parentage?  The planet ineed sucks if they produced more than one.

LOL

63 >>>I actually find her quote objectionable. She is not merely saying that as a woman she has a better chance running against another woman. Her use of the phrase "white guy" is straight out of the Democrat's playbook, whether or not she meant it to be

White guy is out of the Democrats' playbook? Well... sure. It's also a perfectly apt description.

64 Dave in Texas

That's what I hear about Watts all the time.  He's a natural booster, but you gotta give him a starting block that he believes in.  OU football is a great block.  Small government is a great block.  Stories with humor laced with policy is another great block.

65 Fiorina tapping the phones of the HP board will kill her run for the Senate. This won't be pushed until she becomes the Republican candidate.

66 though a bit childish, I though Steel redirecting the phone lines was awesome

67 the local radio guy (growing in syndication though) Todd Schnitt just declared Obama worst then Carter 11 Months In, it sure is looking a lot like that's what we're stuck w/ the next 4 years

68 >>>Could it be that by slandering Palin early, the left is making her the most TEFLON candidate that the GOP can field in 2012?

>>>Am I on to something, or am I an idiot?

Could be. When you've all but called someone Lucifer... well, what the hell can you say to turn it up to 11?

You were at 11 from the beginning of the show. What do you do for your encore?

They may have forgotten political theorist Nigel Tufnel's key insight.

69

Posted by: fartbubble at November 23, 2009 03:46 PM (cBeTr)

childish? that was the time the DNC was calling us angry racists, it was a brilliant move that was fair game

70 Isn't Fiorina also a honky?

71

would outraising the DNC every month since Obama was inaugurated count?

Maybe - but I am not sure how much credit Steele should get.  I suspect alot of the credit for outraising the DNC every month since Obama was inagurated goes to ...... Obama. Also, the Senate Republicans and the House Republicans also have their own fundraising arms and they have either been equal in fundraising or ahead. Red State does a monthly and quarterly summary of these numbers.

72 I have tweeted with DeVore, and heard him on "that Mitt Romney supporter's radio show," as well the the very good Solid Principles podcast.  He is a very impressive candidate.  He also did a parody of the Don Henley song All She Wants to Do is Tax.

I would vote for him in the primary.

But if Carly wins, good enough!

73 Could it be that by slandering Palin early, the left is making her the most TEFLON candidate that the GOP can field in 2012?

well it could established the continuation of a divided and polarized political landscape that we've been stuck w/ since the late 80's and on, which always leaves the squishy middle deciding elections, if Palin somehow does find herself in the White House i guarantee you that it will be a close popular vote, i mean Obama won 365 electoral votes yet only got 52% of the vote b/w him and McCain, if Palin runs i wouldn't be surprise if victory means a 2004 like close election, maybe even 2000 close

74 "Rules are rules and they apply to everyone."  Ace must be some kind of, like, conservative, or something.

75 Sooo, in order to beat obama we need to some how find yet another kenyan born muslim with questionable parentage?  The planet ineed sucks if they produced more than one.

Posted by: Berserker at November 23, 2009 03:44 PM (gWHrG)

Heh heh.  Well, I figure just matching ethnicity is good enough.  (I wouldn't vote for a muslim even with a gun to my head).  I haven't heard of many folks making their bastard status or moon-rock worshipping into a winning campaign position yet.  If there's a question about who qualifies to run, just pull out a colorimiter and set up some delta value for light/dark that we can agree will produce a close enough visual match.  Compare the candidates, and adjust accordingly. 

Happily, Obie is self destructing so fast we may not need to apply this rule to his challenger to come out ahead.

 

76 It's a good thing Carly Fiorino didn't say she's a good candidate because she's black.  I can say to you directly, Carly Fiorino is not a true black women.

77 By the way - current Rass. polling has Whitman tied with Jerry "moonbeam" Brown. http://tinyurl.com/ycv27cr

78 43
Does Devore even dare mention that Fiorina steered two large corporations into the rocks during her tenure or is that hitting the girl ?

Posted by: Blazer at November 23, 2009 03:37 PM (+FzLa)

Whoa, how refreshing; a man who is savvy and well informed on the issues ..., and for whom there appears to be hope that he might evolve into a good ol' southern boy yet. ;-)

 

31 Does this mean we have to run Huckabee against JugEars to win back the vital douchebag vote?

Posted by: Herr Morgenholz at November 23, 2009 03:28 PM (5aa4z)

Um, I don't think that the loony Christian Fundamentalists were the problem there. I'm rather inclined to believe that an unprincipled, opportunistic, RINO "douchebag" named McCain was the problem there. But I could be wrong.

79

Issues, baby, issues.

I want to know what you think and where you stand on the issues. I do not want to hear vague platitudes and empty rhetoric. I want concrete statements and absolutes.

I don't care if you're white, black, orange with green polkadots or a woman or a man. I want to know you have an intellect. I need to know you can separate truth from fantasy. I need to know you won't cave in to the screetching from the moonbats. I need to know you have real-world experience and real-world solutions to problems. I don't want, nor will I accept any more BS from someone I elect to represent me. The time for games is over!

Issue, baby, issues...

80

childish? that was the time the DNC was calling us angry racists, it was a brilliant move that was fair game

Posted by: YRM at November 23, 2009 03:47 PM (xNw7B)

the act of switching the switch boards is a bit childish IMO no matter who was doing it. But other than that I really loved the move

81 I suspect alot of the credit for outraising the DNC every month since Obama was inagurated goes to ...... Obama.

Is there any metric by which we could review that you would attribute to Steele?

82

They may have forgotten political theorist Nigel Tufnel's key insight.

You mean my insight that can tuna has no bones?

83 Did anyone else notice how much hate Andrea Mitchell had written all over her face when she confronted Palin?  Talk about bizare.....

84 Um, I don't think that the loony Christian Fundamentalists were the problem there. I'm rather inclined to believe that an unprincipled, opportunistic, RINO "douchebag" named McCain was the problem there. But I could be wrong.

"loony christian fundamentalists?" really? loony?  sounding kinda like a lefty there, anyhow the "fundamentalist Christians " are gonna vote Republican barring a gay Republican nominee or something like that. Polls showed that had only "Christian Fundamentalists" voted, McCain wins 497-41, w/ Obama only winning VT, HI, MD, IL, & DC and something like 60% of the vote

McCain was the problem, the campaign he ran post-finacial crisis was one of the worst ever. I wouldn't say Mondale or Dukakis like bad, but pretty damn bad

85 I can beat Barbara Boxer.......because I own a baseball bat.

86 Did anyone else notice how much hate Andrea Mitchell had written all over her face when she confronted Palin?  Talk about bizare.....

Posted by: Todd at November 23, 2009 03:55 PM (LLOGQ)

F. Murray Abraham looked like she was doing her best Glenn Close impression from Fatal Attraction.

87

Shouldn't running as an ugly woman be a net minus?

88

Posted by: Todd at November 23, 2009 03:55 PM (LLOGQ)

do this little experiment, listen to the White House/DNC talking points, then watch Mitchell's show, you'll feel like you're going through Deja-Vu

89 83 Did anyone else notice how much hate Andrea Mitchell had written all over her face when she confronted Palin?  Talk about bizare.....

If Alan Greenspan was nailing you, you'd be in a hateful mood all the time as well.

90

Carly Fiorina is a twunt*.

*Someone used twunt here the other day and I couldn't stop howling. I think we should start using the term as much as possible.

91

Shouldn't running as an ugly woman be a net minus?

Posted by: Mr. Pink at November 23, 2009 03:57 PM (SqAkN)

Yes.

92

The enemy of Barbara Boxer is my friend.

Fin.

93

I couldn't disagree with you more.  If other conservatives consider someone's race or gender as making them more or less attractive then I readily admit I have been wrong in my defense of conservatism. 

If you are talking about whether they are more attractive to a general voting demographic where they are running then I can understand it as a strategy.

Positions and how they present the positions makes me colorblind.

94 56 Can she beat Babs Boxer? If so, I'll forget all about that little Compaq thing.

Posted by: joncelli at November 23, 2009 03:42 PM (RD7QR)

Yeah, right, that screwy logic is what enabled McCain to become the Republican Party's candidate ...., that, and the screwy beliefs by the heads of the RNC that it was McCain's "turn"; the same belief that gave us, "I never saw a compromise that I didn't like", Bob Dole.

95 Carly has said some things reagrding Internet regulation that concern me.  Granted I learned of this from DeVore's campaign.  Here is a link that says Chuck's criticism was hyppocritical.  Not sure yet myself, but what she said is concerning.

96 we have no idea if Carly is a conservative, right of center type of candidate or who knows what. She's evasive and probably has no considered positions on anything, but she's evasive and positionless in the style of people who govern fiscal-lib and grandstand social-con. Like '80s Gore or Lieberman before his VP run, when he was a fiery preacher against dirty music and video games and shit.

Plus, she's A Strong Woman, so she'll be all in for any lib bill that has "Women" in the name.

She's exactly what the national GOP wants.

97

Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at November 23, 2009 04:00 PM (B+qrE)

ditto

98

Is there any metric by which we could review that you would attribute to Steele?

Fundraising is one such metric. Lets look at the October numbers. In October the DNC raised 11.58 million, the RNC raised 9.06 million. In the same month, the Republican Senate campaign raised 4.0 million,. the Democratic Senate campaign raised 3.7 and the Republican house counterpart raised 3.44, the Democratic house counterpart raised 3.76 million.

Year to date: RNC - 11.29 DNC - 12.96

One positive note:  The RNC has no debt, the DNC has 4.4 million in debt.

The other items we can look at: party branding. Can you say Steele has done a good job of improving the Republican brand? Organization. This is a little too early to tell. If, however, Steele and the RNC can get a good ground game for 2010, then you know what, I will give him credit for it.

By the way, link for the funraising numbers is here: http://tinyurl.com/ybs897s

99 The RNC has no debt, the DNC has 4.4 million in debt.

LMAO, karma is a bitch

100

Posted by: Charles Johnson (LGF King) at November 23, 2009 04:07 PM (xNw7B)

damn, forgot to turn the sockpuppet off

101 Can you say Steele has done a good job of improving the Republican brand?


Has he stopped agreeing with lefty talking heads that the convention looks like Nazi rallies?

102 I don't get it. I do a good job in my employment and so I get laid off. Three times. On the other hand, Carly Fiorina takes two companies, and basically runs them into the ground, and she gets nothing but job offers, and maybe a senate run. The world just ain't fair.

103

Isn't Fiorina also a honky?

That's cracker now. Honky is so 1970s.

104 "With all due respect and deep affection for white men -- I'm married to one -- but [Boxer] knows how to beat them. She's done it over and over and over."

First of all why does she even mention white? Would she drop out if Devore was  Mexican or something? Second, yeah her premise is bullshit. Boxer, like most entrenched pols, has not won over and over because her opponents were white males. She's won because she keeps facing people trying to out-Boxer her.
Just like Fiorina. Incumbents get thrown out, they don't lose to "better" candidates.

You want to beat an incumbent? Then show the public why their incumbancy has been bad, not how you are going to do it better. If you can show the incumbent is bad then you are better by defintion, regardless of policies.

Why even say this then? Just for the reasons Ace gives: Convince the "deciders" and the "money" you are the safer place to put your influence and cash.

105 Carly Fiorina was absolutely trashed by everyone when she was at HP.  So, today, when the stock had higher earnings than pre reported how come no one is appologising?

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108 Has he stopped agreeing with lefty talking heads that the convention looks like Nazi rallies?

I'm going to score getting DL Hughley to cancel his own show as a victory.

109 all i know is, if you go to Carly's site, you get a bunch of mealy mouth platitudes in an excruciating series of videos.  at Chuck's site, you get plain, no nonsense words that state exactly where he stands, and where he's voted in the past.

as a native of the PRC, i'll take Chuck any day. Carly looks like just another pair of Boxer Shorts.  if she's the candidate, i'll simply skip that office when i vote.  better the obvious enemy than a so called ally.

no more RINOs!

110 I'd be more impressed with some sort of "I'm a woman, so if necessary I can beat Bab's ass like a fuckin' rug" argument...

111 Forina is running against horrid Barbara Boxer-

TO imply that women can do better when running against another female who is corrupted to her core, is blind arrogance. I'm woman hear me roar, that's pitiful.

If California women would even consider re-electing Barbara Boxer(since 1992) no matter who is on the other ticket, then let them re-elect their ugly slavemaster.

Screw the 'womyn' vote;  let them suffer the 5% tax increase slapped on their botox bill, their silicon-bo0b bill while receiving fewer opportunities for those hip replacements they are going to need.

112

"loony christian fundamentalists?" really? loony?  sounding kinda like a lefty there ..."

If you had ever read the bizarre posts made by Christian Fundamentalists on Ann Coulter's site on Human Events, you would not have made that leap. Lefty???? Yeah, right. What a ditzy accusation.  I just take issue with what I consider to be the white trash wing of the Repiblican Party; racists and anti-Semites and a menagerie of other bigots who are an embarrassment to the Republican Party and a disgrace to this country. Those dimwits destroyed Coulter's website. That is why it is all dried up now, with just the same old  small handful of loonies posting there monotonously and tediously day after day.

113

I dunno.

Did anyone else hear the implicit "boy" at the end of her sentance?

114 I'm going to score getting DL Hughley to cancel his own show as a victory.

Hrm.  Wonder why I didn't read about that in the news. /rhetorical

115

"...I probably would have voted for Sotomayor.  She seemed qualified."

Attributed to Carly THIS MORNING.  From Michelle's site.  If she can beat Devore, it will be a good thing, because she might have a better chance against Boxer -- or not -- but then we get another Gramnesty.  Or the next Snowe/Collins/ Spectre.

Personally I don't think the rinos or potential rinos are worth the effort.  And I'm sick of the argument that we get their votes some of the time.  True, but only on issues that really don't matter.

Rant off.

116 Lots of keystrokes spilled on this.

Does anyone have any data that shows that women running against female incumbents do better?

I'm guessing. . .not.

I'm also guessing, that this thesis probably isn't true.  I don't think gender matters all that much, and to the extent that it does matter, I'm guessing that being female is a net NEGATIVE, not positive.

But I have no data to support that guess either.

117 MMM- MMM- MMM  Carly Fiorna...

118 Fiorina was also involved in the Bell Labs spin-off from AT&T which launched the disaster known as Lucent.

119

As a Maximalist, I question her purity...

I think.

120 To OP, Great post. I agree with you 100%.

121 Yeah, keep trotting the RINOs out there. Good luck with that.

122

Although Carly looks like a hardboiled egg, actually she is an empty shell, much like the empty suit in the white house. She has nothing remarkable to her credit, just the prestige of having a CEO's title, and a whole string of dissasters attached to her name,a decription that would apply to Obama, too. So I suspect that she has a good chance of being elected.

123 She ran 2 companies into the ground, but she pocketed a lot of money for doing it. Thus, she has the money to run for office. After what she did to HP, I wouldn't vote for her.

124 What's your platform and what's your historical record, if any, to support that platform? And do you have the capacity to investigate or understand that which you do not know?

That's all I want to know.

If your metric is that I'm this color not that color and this gender not that one, then you fail my test. If it's your only metric, then obviously the choice is simple. If it's a metric among other platform metrics which are sound, your chances improve from a politically tactical POV; however, those chances coincidentally drop because you've substituted identity politics for actual accomplishment. That illustrates weakness. Your mentioning it emphasizes that you cannot trust your own record.

As someone who believes in rewarding merit, I'm dinging both the candidate and the philosophy that indulges in identity politics. I'll lose elections if I have to in order not to perpetuate this lazy, obscene, and culturally damaging calculus.

125

If Carley looked like Sarah Palin, I'd agree (but she doesn't).-

 

 

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Planned Parenthood Affiliates of California – 18% for 2008
California National Organization for Women – 30% for 2007
Lambda Letters Project (LGBT) – 29% for 2007

These too ought to be in red. I am wondering what DeVore did to rate any marks with these groups. Then again, Carly would rate higer, you can bet the farm on that. DeVore for Senate.

127 She continued, "With all due respect and deep affection for white men -- I'm married to one -- but [Boxer] knows how to beat them. She's done it over and over and over."

She's got a point... take my personal understanding.  Now I like women, I've dated several of them; and I have respect for them.  But they tend to lose elections... a lot.  So maybe they should just stay in the kitchen and make sandwiches and leave the important stuff to the menfolk.  Just so we can win more elections.  Its just odds and math and stuff; and we know the ladies aren't that good at math and statistics, right?

I'm not being sexist, I had the "I respect women" before saying they were inferior right?  Good, then I've got the same cover this dimbulb has for being insulting... have her make me a sandwich; ooh, and a juicebox if there's one in the fridge.

128 So I guess we approve of anti-male bigotry at AoS now?

Cause don't kid yourself - that's what this is.  That's what you're defending.  You can make yourself feel better saying "it's not anti-male, it's pro-female", but that's bullshit and you know it.  It's both.  You can't have one without the other.

I don't want to be a part of a conservative party that seeks to exploit bigotry for its own purposes.  If the woman were the more conservative candidate, I'd be all for her.  But to throw the more conservative candidate overboard because he doesn't have a vajayjay?  Why don't we just -be- Democrats.

Qwinn

129 She's in California.  Trying to get the votes of Californians.  Sounds like a winner to me.

130 So what we have is a Scozzafava II and well Ms Fiorina how did that work out for the first bitch? that's right it didn't!  As a woman I would take DeVore over her a million times over and actually have donated to him to ensure that WENCH doesn't get the nod!

131 I already beat Boxer.

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135 I'd vote for her if I lived there, but won't otherwise assist in any way another business failure "rock star" exec. People suffered because she was a  narcissistic CEO who made bad decisions.

136 Right on, Ace.  Glad to see this.  Very well thought out.

I'm just like one of those HillBuzzers -- gay, ex-Dem, Hillary voter.  All those RNC donation forms you saw over Scozzafava this year?  That was me with DNC/Obama donation requests in 2008.  Not one. red. cent.

Fiorina has a point, and I think ideologically "pure" Conservatives commenting (mostly non-Californians, I'd wager) are missing one thing: demography is destiny.  California is highly urbanized with a large percentage of Hispanics, Asians, LGBTs, and is a socially liberal/moderate state thanks to the urbanized areas. 

Boxer isn't going to lose in CA because of Conservative "purity" on the other ticket alone; that's what Fiorina meant.  Boxer's made a career of "boxing out" those arguments and effectively diffusing them.  NRA and pro-life group support (as some have cited here) for DeVore isn't going to mean much when 20% of the State is "non-religious".

It's going to take a fiscal conservative, cultural moderate to win CA.  And it's going to to take a candidate with a certain je ne sais quois to attract some attention from an easy incumbency win.  A "fresher" Fiorina to an entrenched and tired Boxer may do the trick.

What Fiorina said was a fair point to make as far as a state-wide California race goes. 

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138 "You know what Fiorina's biggest weakness is? She's a moderate. Why would the voters in California vote for a pandering moderate? "

I'm assuming this is sarcastic? At least I hope it is, lest someone forget about our current governor.

As for DeVore v. Carly: DeVore is clearly the favorite of the conservative base out here. But I suspect that Carly is going to show herself to be acceptable to the conservative base over the course of her campaign - and, hell, at least she's voted in a couple of elections in the past decade and has been a registered Republican! Can't say the same things about others throwing their hats into the CA field right now... I have also heard that Carly is an impressive speaker, which, again, puts her ahead of the other candidates in the field in CA right now.

I have many friends who are DeVore supporters, and I've met Chuck a couple of times and like him. But I just don't see him beating Barbara Boxer in California. He's a red-meat kind of guy, and, like it or not, that doesn't go over with the California electorate. Anything's possible, of course, but my thinking on this race boils down to 1) who can win the general against Barbara, and 2) will that person be better than Boxer. So I'm leaning Carly.

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Yeah, Ace, I used to think like this too.

 

I grew out of it.  This kind of weak ass thinking gives you guys like me, Zero and Steele (Maverick, Graham & Scuzzyfava hon. ment.) running the country.

 

Grow the fuck up and start exercising the gray matter.  Thinking like yours put us where we are now.

141

And Fiorina was not much different from Jesse Jackson in the way she shook down HP.

 

Totally incompetent HR pick for ceo who used her sex as the primary selling point.  It was also what she used to extort the company with gender discrimination bs when she nearly wrecked the business.

 

Fiorina is Arnie in drag with the victim entitlement & "I'm a woman hear me roar" pablum.

 

Get a fucking clue Ace.  Some of your bullshit seems like bored mental masturbation fantasy stuff with some of the Rino candidates.

 

Better Jerry Brown than "Carly for CA".  She is the kind of executive that is wrecking our economy along with the equally annoying Meg Whitman.

 

Bet you like Meg too, right?

 

Ace:  "Meg is a good egg & I'd ride Carly like a Harley"

 

You need to start calling a spade a spade dude.  That's what this place is for right? 

 These people are not going to help anything but themselves and are a poor reflection on conservatives and will just wind up doing more damage to the Republicrat brand (such as it is)...

 

 

 

 

142 She's in California.  Trying to get the votes of Californians.  Sounds like a winner to me.

Posted by: FUBAR at November 23, 2009 06:24 PM (eRJUD)

Yeah, that's what they said about Ahrnold. With choices like that I'd sooner play golf than vote. At least I might get a round in before they turn it into a roach sanctuary or something.

143 -- Carly Fiorina supported the ruinous Wall Street bailouts. Chuck DeVore opposed them.

-- Carly Fiorina supported the Obama stimulus. Chuck DeVore opposed it.

-- Carly Fiorina didn't have an opinion on Obamacare till this month, but now says she agrees with its "goals." Chuck DeVore opposed it from the start.

-- Carly Fiorina can't decide whether she opposes cap-and-tax. Chuck DeVore is resolutely against it.

-- Carly Fiorina won't say where she stands on amnesty for illegal immigrants. Chuck DeVore opposes it.

-- Carly Fiorina admires California's liberal Democrat Senator Dianne Feinstein. Chuck DeVore thinks Feinstein is part of the problem.

-- Carly Fiorina has no record of pro-life activism. Chuck DeVore has a 100% pro-life rating from the Capitol Resource Institute.

-- Carly Fiorina says she would have voted for Sonia Sotomayor's confirmation. Chuck DeVore opposed it.

144 What I don't get is why anyone would even think of electing her she nearly drove HP into the ground and see as  California is already in the ground and drilling deeper I doubt she will help.

145

colin calling anne coulter anti-semite?

oh wait i forgot she is an anti-semite because she is a right-wing christian jew lover i forgot

colin stfu your a lefty whether you wanna admit it or not you vile sleaze which makes your charges of anti-semtism hypocritical

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