Something on the site is crashing FireFox 3.5.5 instantly

I don't know what it is, but it looks to one of the rotating ads when it appears. IE 6 is working OK.

Obviously, one of the ad pushers doesn't test their shit too well before foisting it off on the public.

Posted by: Purple Avenger at 12:30 PM

Comments

1 I got no probs and I run 3.5.5.

I have ad block plus isntalled.

Posted by: Rickshaw Jack at November 22, 2009 12:32 PM (SVIJA)

2 Safari is unaffected. Crappy, but unaffected. Thanks for the info.

Posted by: eman at November 22, 2009 12:32 PM (Bmk3r)

3
Not having a problem either.

Posted by: Blazer at November 22, 2009 12:32 PM (+FzLa)

4 It is not only here. Other well respected sites have the same problem. And the ad is usually a virus decoy ad that is very obnoxious and appears to be embedded without consent of host.

Posted by: pat at November 22, 2009 12:33 PM (h4Zo6)

IE7.0 is fine too.

Posted by: andycanuck at November 22, 2009 12:33 PM (2qU2d)

6 No problem on mine. Firefox 3.5.5 and AdBlock installed. I don't have any ads blocked though, just the default grouping when you install.

Posted by: Magycian at November 22, 2009 12:33 PM (CBzG9)

7 It isn't Agent #024, is it?

Posted by: eman at November 22, 2009 12:34 PM (Bmk3r)

8 i'm on 355 too, no problems

as already mentioned, ad block plus is the shizzy

Posted by: kinlaw at November 22, 2009 12:36 PM (kFY61)

9 No problems here

Posted by: Mortis at November 22, 2009 12:39 PM (hA5JK)

10 AdBlock Plus = Ace site has ads?

Posted by: Rickshaw Jack at November 22, 2009 12:39 PM (SVIJA)

11
You know what would fix this?

An NFL open thread.

Posted by: Dang Straights at November 22, 2009 12:39 PM (djkiW)

12 Running 3.5.5 (mac) - not a problem yet.

Posted by: WTGOhio at November 22, 2009 12:40 PM (Gzns3)

13 No problem for my 3.5.5.

Posted by: SlaveDog at November 22, 2009 12:40 PM (W+E+o)

14 It doesn't sound like 3.5.5 is the problem (unless the problem ad site is random, and I haven't seen it yet). I run 3.5.5 also, and haven't had any problems (yet).

Posted by: RoadRunner at November 22, 2009 12:41 PM (DkCt1)

15 Your ad blockers are saving you. I just disabled the Flash plugin and that masks the problem.

For about the last 3 major releases of Flash its impact on system stability has gotten worse and worse. Adobe seems not to care. I may simply wind up deleting Flash completely from my system and boycotting Flash. I can live without YouTube if that's the price I have to pay.

Posted by: Purple Avenger at November 22, 2009 12:42 PM (Z5M6N)

16
Not having a problem so far and I'm doing about ninety on I-64 posting this from my new laptop steering wheel desk. If anything crashes, it won't be FireFox.

Posted by: Blazer at November 22, 2009 12:42 PM (+FzLa)

17 Adblock

Giving the site the hits without having to see the ads.

Posted by: JavaJoe at November 22, 2009 12:42 PM (Am6n/)

18 FireFox has been crashing on me when visiting Hot Air for months. I wonder if you just picked up an ad that they have over there as well?

Posted by: Mad Saint Jack at November 22, 2009 12:45 PM (zVgnK)

This will make the whole site crash.

At the Times online, I just read how Michelle Obama is preparing for her first State dinner.

Not only is she serving many veggies from her polluted garden, there are goodie bags to be handed out, as well.

They will contain (and I quote) "jars of honey from Michelle's beehive."

Well, they are known for their unusual gifts to heads of state, but isn't this pushing it, even for them?

Posted by: Who Knows at November 22, 2009 12:45 PM (7FgWm)

20 licky joe,
I know, really. Adds? never heard of them.

Posted by: jcp at November 22, 2009 12:46 PM (DHNp4)

21 oops, that was for Ricky Jack not Joe.

Posted by: jcp at November 22, 2009 12:47 PM (DHNp4)

22
They will contain (and I quote) "jars of honey from Michelle's beehive."

WTF ?

Posted by: Blazer at November 22, 2009 12:47 PM (+FzLa)

23 They will contain (and I quote) "jars of honey from Michelle's beehive."

WTF?

Posted by: Rickshaw Jack at November 22, 2009 12:47 PM (SVIJA)

Uh, no. Some of the ads crash IE too.

Or worse actually - freeze it and cause it to stop responding.

Lots of ads are crap. Some sites are coded in such a way as the ad won't load but the rest of the page will. Others... notsomuch.

HotAir is a pretty stable page.

Townhall, I haven't been to in years because there's so many damn ads now the page hardly ever loads properly ever.

Posted by: Entropy at November 22, 2009 12:47 PM (cok/k)

Obviously, one of the ad pushers doesn't test their shit too well before foisting it off on the public.

Posted by: Purple Avenger at 12:30 PM

I'm on 3.5.5 and I don't have any issues either. I cringe at the lack of testing most of the new developers I work with have done before they think their code is ready, although one of the reasons I'm kept around is to troubleshoot "glitches", so I don't mind too much.

Posted by: SDH at November 22, 2009 12:48 PM (iwQEr)

I'm with Purple Avenger in terms of the Flash Player. I have no idea why Adobe has allowed a type of cookies to be stored someplace other than in the Internet cache where they can be easily deleted but I seriously believe this is contributing to a lot of problems with ads and with hackers (and the White House but I repeat myself) being able to more easily access people's computers and get data from them.

I'm not sure if this "feature" was always in the Flash Player extension and it is only recently that the advertisers and others have started to take advantage of it or what. But it it pisses me off.

Posted by: ParanoidGirlInSeattle at November 22, 2009 12:48 PM (RZ8pf)

27 "jars of honey from Michelle's beehive."

Code.

Posted by: eman at November 22, 2009 12:48 PM (Bmk3r)

I laughed long at that line. Had to share. From Michelle's beehive.

So that's what the cool kids are calling these days.

Posted by: Who Knows at November 22, 2009 12:51 PM (7FgWm)

29 No problems for me. Running firefox with adblock and flashblock.

Posted by: Shtetl G at November 22, 2009 12:52 PM (UTVnl)

30 No problems on 3.5.5 here. AVG free with an occasional Spybot run.

It's possible your issues are related to something your firewall, spyware or virus protection system is doing to prevent junk from getting loaded on to or operating on or from your computer and that security software isn't properly interfacing with Firefox 3.5.5 -- hence the crashing.

You might try running a different spyware/virus program to see if it picks up something your current security isn't picking up.

Posted by: drfredc at November 22, 2009 12:52 PM (puRnk)

31 There is no way she maintains a hive! Do they think were idiots? Starting and maintaining a hive is a lot of work, and it requires some intelligence. Two things she has shown no evidence of.
And after one season she has enough honey to hand out to a dinner party? NFW.

My guess is the Bammy stuff the hive like a south side ballot box. Peel off the label and you could probably see "made in china" underneath.

Posted by: jcp at November 22, 2009 12:53 PM (DHNp4)

32 No problem here with 3.5.5 and i've got adblock turned off for Ace and Minx. I've had problems with Firefox crashing in general though, usually if i have more than four tabs open.

Posted by: koopy at November 22, 2009 12:55 PM (XllG0)

33 Well I do recall some talk of bee hives when the media were blathering on and on and on about her organic garden. Also I think somebody got stung or something by the bees.

Posted by: ParanoidGirlInSeattle at November 22, 2009 12:55 PM (RZ8pf)

34 I'm on FF, and no probs at this site. HA is a different matter. HA has been freezing and crashing me routinely in recent weeks.

Posted by: les grossman at November 22, 2009 12:56 PM (Vc/xe)

35 What has irked me for years is I can't find any way to disable Flash's "looping" other than manually doing it for each ad each time its loaded.

The performance hit for having all these ads constantly looping is horrendous.

The only thing that drove me to Firefox 1.5 off IE6 was the tabs, but FF becomes slower and slower with each major release (claims of FF3 being a lot "faster" are bullshit).

FF 3.5's code entropy has gotten to the point where IE6 *with* ads, is visibly faster than FF 3.5 with ad blocking and Flash disabled.

Right now, I'm a "man on the edge". Firefox is within a gnat's hair of getting deleted. I'll go back to IE6 so I don't have to sit around waiting literally 30 or 45 seconds for a page to load. The pain of no tabs is vastly swamped by how slow FF has become.

Posted by: Purple Avenger at November 22, 2009 01:00 PM (Z5M6N)

Purple Avenger, what do you mean no tabs? Does Firefox do tabs differently than IE? Because IE has had tabbed pages forever. But maybe you are referring to something else?

Posted by: ParanoidGirlInSeattle at November 22, 2009 01:02 PM (RZ8pf)

Starting and maintaining a hive is a lot of work, and it requires some intelligence.

On the other hand, she is used to little pricks.

And no problems here for a long time, but I've had Flash issues too. (That red-background Canadian ad, that I can't recall what for, affected me at Ace's and a little bit at HotAir back when.) The Windows report to fix the problem said to download the most recent Flash Player... I went to the site 2 or 3 times but they seemed to be using the new version of Flash Player at the Flash Player site so I couldn't download the new version properly!

And something at the WSJ effs me up there too. No site freezes, but it's slow as crap... loading; time lag on using the mouse and scrolling; and opening internal links. Grrr!

Posted by: andycanuck at November 22, 2009 01:04 PM (2qU2d)

I'm sure she maintains a hive, weeds the gardens, and walks the dog. Picks his shit up, too.

We love the Obamas and their public relations machine.

We all believe what they say.

Posted by: Who Knows at November 22, 2009 01:05 PM (7FgWm)

39 10: AdBlock Plus = Ace site has ads?

Evidently. No problems here with 3.5.5 plus ABP. Or at HA.

Posted by: Skookumchuk at November 22, 2009 01:09 PM (btzPD)

40 I've had problems with Firefox crashing in general though

Yep. The assholes keep adding shiny trinkets and ignore core problems that have persisted ever since Netscape 4. The freaking thing still has egregious memory leaks deep in its guts that have been there for over 10 years.

With 3.5 I notice it freezing for several seconds at a rip even when the rest of Windows is responsive (so its not a total CPU saturation issue). This suggests to me they may have implemented something like the Great Circle quasi-garbage collection scheme rather than actually fixing the leaks. Great Circle's scheme is a last resort for a code base that is effectively "out of control" and unrepairable.

It clearly violates Microsoft's 1/10th of a second message queue response guidelines ALL THE TIME, which means its use of threading is either nonexistent, or so amateurish in semaphore locking granularity as to be laughable.

FUCK FIREFOX. FUCK THEM IN THE ASS WITH A RUSTY CROWBAR. THEIR SHIT IS WEAK.

Posted by: Purple Avenger at November 22, 2009 01:12 PM (Z5M6N)

41 10 AdBlock Plus = Ace site has ads?

Posted by: Rickshaw Jack at November 22, 2009 12:39 PM (SVIJA)

Seriously. What are these "ads" to which you refer? The Internet used to have them, as I recall, but haven't seen them in ages. Surfing is much more fun now.

Posted by: Less at November 22, 2009 01:14 PM (PGXeZ)

42 3.5.5 here & all's well.

Running AdBlockPlus (sorry Ace!) and No Script.

Posted by: jcjimi at November 22, 2009 01:21 PM (KSTc+)

Seriously. What are these "ads" to which you refer? The Internet used to have them, as I recall, but haven't seen them in ages. Surfing is much more fun now.

Posted by: Less at November 22, 2009 01:14 PM

And faster.

Posted by: jcjimi at November 22, 2009 01:22 PM (KSTc+)

44 @ 35

Granted, I haven't used IE since 2005

Posted by: jcjimi at November 22, 2009 01:24 PM (KSTc+)

45 @35

I went back to firefox 3.0 because 3.5 was pretty crappy. I also ended up using an older version of flashplayer (8 or 9). Firefox 2 was about the best of them so far.

Posted by: somejoe at November 22, 2009 01:24 PM (SSWdi)

46 I loaded Firefox 3.5.5 a couple of days ago. AoS is fine. But, I am having a weird and stupid problem. Every 10 or 15 minutes the little "internet connect" window comes up -- while I am already on the internet -- super annoying. I'm on an older iMac G5 that otherwise works just fine. Would be most grateful for suggestions on how to make it go away!

Posted by: Peaches at November 22, 2009 01:33 PM (9Wv2j)

47 40, Yep, Firefox does have its shoes tied together. Finally got tired of it.

Posted by: eman at November 22, 2009 01:34 PM (Bmk3r)

Purple Avenger,

Can you please contact me offlist?

Posted by: CTN at November 22, 2009 01:38 PM (dMlED)

49 Firefox 2 was about the best of them so far.

Yep. If they'd continued with security patches on that tree I would have stayed with it. Now they're within a micron of losing me completely because of the en-craption of the 3-series.

I desire stability and speed. Now I have neither with FF.

Posted by: Purple Avenger at November 22, 2009 01:40 PM (Z5M6N)

50 This ad, was it created by congress by any chance?

jus' sayin

Posted by: Unclefacts, Summoner of Guinness, and Near Miss Meteors at November 22, 2009 01:45 PM (erIg9)

51 They will contain (and I quote) "jars of honey from Michelle's beehive."

WTF ?

Posted by: Unclefacts, Summoner of Guinness, and Near Miss Meteors at November 22, 2009 01:48 PM (erIg9)

Do you smoke, by any chance, Peaches? [See sidebar headlines for details.]

Posted by: andycanuck at November 22, 2009 01:48 PM (2qU2d)

53 Oh yeah on the: "jars of honey from Michelle's beehive."

Put me down for a WTF ? also.

Posted by: somejoe at November 22, 2009 01:50 PM (SSWdi)

Purple Avenger:

I�ve done some of the site maintenance for Ace, including inserting these ads. We�ve had a lot of problems with FF on a megasite I just built and I might be able to assist you. If you login to the Ace Test Site, I put my email in a post under Edit Entries.

Posted by: CTN at November 22, 2009 01:51 PM (dMlED)

who do you have to kill to get ace to edit some of the thousands of dead links on the blog? half those mu blogs are extinct

STREAMLINE

SIMPLIFY

Posted by: Jones at November 22, 2009 01:52 PM (JL3qV)

56 So I guess I'm not techie enough to notice FF sucking so bad. The only thing I notice is the RAM appetite but I've got plenty of that. It seems stable - for me. Should I try IE again? I'm quite attached to tabs so it would be 7 or 8. Who uses both. Compare/contrast?

Posted by: jcjimi at November 22, 2009 01:54 PM (KSTc+)

57 Firefox 2 was fine until I upgraded to 3 then everything went to shit. Been running Google Chrome since it became available, never have had a problem with. It boots up fast and never, repeat, never freezes .

Posted by: 1sttofight at November 22, 2009 01:55 PM (pWEEb)

58 holy effin shite

i just installed firefox
my computer works again!

Posted by: Jones at November 22, 2009 02:01 PM (JL3qV)

59 all this time i thought my pc sucked, but it was IE7 all along

Posted by: Jones at November 22, 2009 02:04 PM (JL3qV)

60 who do you have to kill to get ace to edit some of the thousands of dead links on the blog? half those mu blogs are extinct

Jones, maybe if you sent him a list of the ones you know are toast . . . you know, make it easy on the guy.

Posted by: Peaches at November 22, 2009 02:05 PM (9Wv2j)

61 AHA! I've been bitching giving constructive criticism about this.

Posted by: FUBAR at November 22, 2009 02:09 PM (eRJUD)

62 I looked at Chrome's specs, but Google saw fit to make it incompatible with Windows 2000, so I looked no further. Sorry Google, I'm not moving off a rock solid OS for the sake of a browser. You lose.

It should have been a clue to those myopic GoogleTards that Microsoft's continued maintenance of W2K almost 10 years after release was a clear indication that it still had a strong foothold in Corporate America.

Why Google would disregard that remains a mystery to me, since there isn't much in the Windows API a browser truly needs that wasn't present in say...the ancient 16 bit FREAKIN WINDOWS 3.1 API. Introducing incompatibility with past releases, still widespread in the field, because of programmer laziness is an unforgivable sin in my book.

Posted by: Purple Avenger at November 22, 2009 02:10 PM (Z5M6N)

63 Thanks to all who mentioned AdBlock Plus. Just installed it on FF3.5.5, and it's great!

Posted by: RoadRunner at November 22, 2009 02:12 PM (DkCt1)

64 that's what you get for updating... pffft....

Posted by: Kaptain Amerika at November 22, 2009 02:13 PM (LVYGG)

65 If you login to the Ace Test Site, I put my email in a post under Edit Entries.

I don't even remember the URL for that, and didn't have the blog keys back when I did remember it.

I'm pretty convinced the long term cure for this problem (from an individual perspective, not as a developer) is simply me abandoning FireFox for general surfing use. It gets worse with each release in terms of stability and speed, and I don't see that changing anytime soon as the development team clearly has the wrong mindset.

Posted by: Purple Avenger at November 22, 2009 02:23 PM (Z5M6N)

66 Running 355 I've been getting script errors for months on a random basis that all seem to tie to random ads. Flash has made it worse. Adding Ad Block has reduced this problem.

There does seem to be some memory issues that have increased as Fire Fox has updated. It seems to be worse with the new McAfee upgrades (also a big memory suck).

Any idea if IE8 is any good? 6 sucked for me.

Posted by: Quilly Mammoth at November 22, 2009 02:31 PM (5PPi5)

67 I've been running 3.6beta3 + noscript, and it seems to work great.

Posted by: CyclopsJack at November 22, 2009 02:43 PM (a4o2p)

68 RE: Firefox freezes

Did you try to clear out your cache and history ?

Posted by: CyclopsJack at November 22, 2009 02:44 PM (a4o2p)

69 Yes, McAfee is nasty. Do you have a choice on whether to run it ?
avast and/or MSE are good free choices.

Posted by: CyclopsJack at November 22, 2009 02:46 PM (a4o2p)

70 You know, I actually feel bad about blocking ads. I must be one of the three people who thinks that way.

Instead, I merely block the scripts. Is this worse ?

Posted by: CyclopsJack at November 22, 2009 02:48 PM (a4o2p)

71 http://www.srware.net/en/software_srware_iron.php
and I am trying "ad muncher" on my system at work. my new fav browser except when I need to run IE for work. SRware is like Google Chrome, but without all the google spyware installed

Posted by: Rob in Katy at November 22, 2009 02:48 PM (PiTBB)

72 We are having the same proanblem on our enterprise deplyment of Firefox 3.5.5 and IE7 with an older deployment of Adobe Flash. It only affects us because people at work visit msn, aol and media fire adnetworks.

Posted by: annoyamouse at November 22, 2009 02:52 PM (lIS2l)

73 I've had no problems using Chrome, even though PA thinks it sucks.

"For about the last 3 major releases of Flash its impact on system stability has gotten worse and worse. Adobe seems not to care."

Truer words were never spoken.

Posted by: Bugler at November 22, 2009 03:24 PM (YCVBL)

74 Not seeing the problem on any machine here. The main Firefox issue has been that every once in a while, perhaps once a week, it goes berserk and starts consuming so much CPU time it has to be killed. This isn't so noticeable on newer systems but there are still plenty of P4 single core boxes running where it is intolerable.

But the ads that cause it, as I suspect, are not to be found on this site. They're found on the less circumspect torrent sites. Probably in other places that I don't visit.

Another but annoyance of Firefox for me is that it appears to offer no resistance to being hijacked by the fake anti-malware ads that minimize the window to a fake alert box that tries to sucker the user into downloading some crap. You can kill the browser but the session restore function will bring it right back to that kidnapped state. Starting in safe mode is the way to stop the session restore feature reliably. I'm amazed I still have to worry about users running into this sort of crap after all these years.

Supposedly this isn't a legacy from Netscape. The Mozilla people claim that code base was such a mess that they started from scratch in the days before 1.0 but none of the quotes from Mozilla people go into any detail on what they consider 'starting over.'

Also, are you getting this problem only on Win2K? I wouldn't be surprised if so. 'Rock solid' Win2K has some limitations that are never going to be addressed due to lack of interest in Redmond. Corporate seats for it are dwindling. Much of my employment in the last year has been on big deployments to replace P4 era machines with new boxes (mainly HP DC7700 and Dell Optiplex 770, those two model are huge in 2009) with WinXP, which is still viable for the newer stuff they want to implement.

On the small business level I'm seeing a lot of Win2K retirements by attrition. Boxes dying and requiring more time on the clock to fix than is reasonable compared to a new machine. The free XP Mode add-in for Windows 7 is a huge selling point there, as it gives them the latest OS niceties along with XP fully integrated on demand with no license cost.

Posted by: epobirs at November 22, 2009 03:34 PM (p9DCO)

75 69

I have been trying out PCTools antivirus (free), It has been working pretty well so far, and is lighter on resources and nagging that AVG.

Posted by: somejoe at November 22, 2009 04:11 PM (SSWdi)

76 3.5.5 w/adblock, No Crash, No problems.............

mmmmmmm mmmmmmm mmmmmmmmmm

Posted by: SteveCan at November 22, 2009 04:37 PM (jkfQE)

77 I'm using Opera 10.1 and like it. It's fast and stable.

I like Firefox, (using 3.5.5), because of the extensive addons/extensions available, esp. Adblock Plus and Noscript. Good for when venturing into the dodgier parts of the intertubes.

Free AVG or Avast anti-virus are both good in addition.

Posted by: jbarntt at November 22, 2009 05:16 PM (s0YZ3)

78 can anyone recommend an antivirus software that won't make my computer its bitch

it's a never ending struggle between me and McAfee to see who gets to use the pc, and who gets to watch helplessly as McAfee constantly downloads and installs updates every second of every day

Posted by: Jones at November 22, 2009 06:54 PM (JL3qV)

79 I got no probs and I run 3.5.5.

Posted by: Ron at November 22, 2009 07:12 PM (TGCFY)

ADS?

Ace has ads? And I gave him tip money?

WTF WebWasher 3.4 must really work, well, it does.

I don't see no stiking ads, why do you?

Google Webwasher 3.4 It's free!

Sorry Ace!

Posted by: Kemp at November 22, 2009 07:35 PM (2+9Yx)

81 Ads? What are these ads that you speak of.

(Running 3.5.5 w/adblock plus)

Posted by: mcassill at November 22, 2009 07:42 PM (OS2KR)

82 Those aren't the ads I knew.

Posted by: Barak Hussein Obama at November 22, 2009 07:51 PM (UNDmA)

83 #69 I run Opera and Firefox. Avast will not let me surf so I turn it off and when I get a prob I have to spend hours running the avast which DOES clean up the machine...and its free...and I am a tightwad.

Posted by: torabora at November 22, 2009 07:57 PM (UNDmA)

84 I've had problems on a number of sites with a flash ad ... I'm in canada ... that pops up for "canadafreecreditreports.ca". It ties mup my cpu at 100% for at least a minute every time it appears. I finally blocked it from "adgardener" and later from google ads. I presume it's in rotation thru other agencies, too, and is clearly poorly written.

Posted by: ras at November 22, 2009 08:30 PM (+Lnd/)

85 I had problems with the "canadafreecreditreports.ca" adds as well. installed adblocker, now no problems, GO Riders...

Posted by: Unclemeat at November 22, 2009 09:16 PM (uejmU)

86 Sticking with 3.0.x plus NoScript. NoScript gives so much anal retentive control over things I'm not sure why people would bother with additional blockers. The occasional banner ad doesn't bother me so much as the frickin' in-yo-face flash garbage.

3.5 gave me problems on a test machine so I haven't upgraded the main one yet. 3.5.5 seemed somewhat faster in preliminary experimentation but I have yet to really put it through the ringer to see if it's more stable.

I have to say I really don't like the direction FF has taken post 2.0. The default installation is almost intolerable, and I always head straight to the config to undo the crap they've changed. The 3.6 and beyond features they promise really don't excite me at all. I may have to go to IE8, which is actually almost usable at this point.

Posted by: Sockless Joe at November 22, 2009 09:41 PM (jtJig)

87 Running FF 3.5.5 here, without a problem. But bear in mind, I run it on Linux, not on Windows - had to mention that, since Purple Avenger mentioned "Windows 2000" and "rock solid OS" in the same breath.

Not to flog a dead horse, but since we do this meme so often on this site, I can't resist this, just this once:

"Microsoft? Never heard of it. No, really..."

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89 I've noticed for some time that the "Source Editor" <> causes the cut-n-paste function on FireFox for Mac to lock up.

Posted by: Neo at November 23, 2009 12:41 AM (tE8FB)

90 Purple Avenger, what do you mean no tabs?

IE6 doesn't do tabs. IE7 would require I move to XP or later -- which I won't do just to satisfy a browser. In my experience with XP on other people's machines, its more bloated and slower than W2K, with very little in the way of value add.

Posted by: Purple Avenger at November 23, 2009 12:47 AM (H3E0/)

91 ...since Purple Avenger mentioned "Windows 2000" and "rock solid OS" in the same breath...

I've been running this same machine and same disk subsystem with W2K now for close to 7 years without incident. Its been vastly more stable than any of the Linux machine I've diddled with.

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Posted by: Purple Avenger at November 23, 2009 12:53 AM (H3E0/)

92 #78

The recently released and free Microsoft Security Essentials is remarkably small and well behaved. Better yet, it intercepted a malware install attempt my sister clicked on that I've seen slip right past many other competing products. MSE has become my default install on new systems as it doesn't have a 'personal use only' limitation like most other free AV products.

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