1 Woohoo! Flaming skull! Has anybody tried Climate Audit recently?

2

I wish someone would have posted on the Hadley Particle Colluder earlier.

3 racists

4
Anybody know anything about this Scozzafozza running in the NY 23rd?

5

Has anybody tried Climate Audit recently?

Read through the comments. Readers are coming up with all sorts of incriminating emails about fixing "things" etc. It's well worth the time spent there.

6 Boom. Headshot.

7 Forget it, he's rolling.

8

Higgs boson impacts are screwing up our posts here.

9 Let's not jump to conclusions.

10
Umm, did we cross over the event horizon, because I could have sworn Malor had two posts up earlier about this exact same thing.

Nope, thats just typical ace.

11 It's a well-known fact that flaming skulls are a leading cause of global warming. The science has been settled. If you look at my graph...

12 andy, inhofe's office took the CD-ROM this AM.

13

Wait, their e-mails were hacked again???

Boy, for a bunch of so-called scientists, they are really pretty fucking stupid.

14 Thanks to experiments using the HLC, we have concluded that the multiverse theory is correct.

More importantly, there are universes where Ace doesn't double post. Alas, this isn't one of them.

15

And here are some more direct links to some of the HA summations.

There are interesting summations and links here at Aussie Andrew Bolt's MSM blog.

And at editor Tim Blair's MSM blog.

BTW, is that a goatee you're sporting, DrewM? (And I'm assuming the Hadron Particle Collider hasn't erased the embedded links, above.)

16

So, they lied? And manipulated data to make their case? Really? Color me shocked. Which is sort of a chartreuse color actually.

Yoo hoo, Al Gore, looks like there's some inconvenient truths heading your way you great big gassy ball of planet destroying flatulence.

17 The bold is a nice touch, too.

18

I’ve just completed Mike’s Nature trick of adding in the real temps to each series for the last 20 years (ie from 1981 onwards) amd [sic] from1961 for Keith’s to hide the decline

It seems to me that Phil & MIke acted stupidly.

19 Wait, is the particle collider turning everything bold suddenly? Or is it just me?

20

That's a very bold apology, Ace. I doubt we'll see one from the AGW MSM or the AGW "scientists".

21 I told you weird bold shit was going on.

22 The flaming skull is several million degrees, or so AlGore told me.

23 Ignoring the science itself, the scientific process issues, the mean personal stuff, the attempts to manipulate politicians and the press; the real gems are the documented collusion to avoid disclosure and defeat various FOIA laws. That sounds like criminal conspiracy or at least a serious ethics charge for the public servants involved. I would not be surprised if the leak came from one of the respective FOIA offices.

24 Of course the cultists, being cultists, will simply deny the reality of the e-mails, and claim that they were forged, altered, etc...anything to keep their faith from crumbling around them. But for the rest of the world, hopefully this will be another big ol' nail in the coffin of this AGW scam bullshit. Good riddance.

25

Color me shocked. Which is sort of a chartreuse color actually.

As a heterosexual male of the species, I have no clue as what shade of color chartreuse is.

26 Damn. I'm just so used to being late I always assume the site is late, and I never consider the possibility that, say, Gabe already covered this.

I want these emails, man. I need this file.

Have another cup of coffee...

27 A lot of people are posting this particular email, but I think the more damning stuff is where Phil Jones asks Mann to DELETE his fucking emails over AR4. WTF!

28 How do you want the file? Email me if you can't get it elsewhere.

29 They say the third time's a charm.

30 About freakin' time!  I knew Ace would skull this shit.  Ace, if you're still looking for the file, it's here

31 The skull. It's flaming.

hooray.

32 I would really like a read from the lawyers and pseudo-lawyers here on the criminal aspects of destroying FOIA'd data -- is it similar to obstruction of justice.

33 Dr Hadley is hot.

34 The Polar Bears will live!  Hallelujah!

35 Yeah, Karl Denninger is all over the deletion requests. Since those were in response to FOI requests, that could have legal impact. As in contempt of court or conspiracy to evade the law or something.

Denninger's also got the whole 60 meg file up on his storage site if you really really want it. Not linking directly because he doesn't want the site hammered.

36

Go here for some weak defense of this information, including this gem:

"Nonetheless, these emails (a presumably careful selection of (possibly edited?) correspondence ...."

They have about as much real evidence that these e-mails were edited as they do to support AGW, but that doesn't stop them from off-handedly making the claim that they were edited.

Shocking, I know.

37

BWAHAHAHAHA.

"Hide the decline."

That's my new favorite motto.  I will use it in any scenario or situation involving my liberal co-workers and other people I must deal with.

"That's a great chart.  The boss will love it.  How did you hide the decline?"

"What?  Obama's numbers are going down?  How will he hide the decline?"

"What?  Unemployment is still going up, even after Obama's stimulus?  How will he hide the decline?"

This flaming skull will be the gift that keeps on giving.  Think of it as a case of political herpes to a liberal.

38 These guys should remember to never take aspirin from strangers - and stay far away from lakes and rivers too.

39 Thanks, peaches.

40 This just confirms what we've always known:  The glowbull warming idiots are a bunch of dumb lying cocksuckers.

41 Ahhh... MegaUpload. I am familiar with this site. But usually not for work or politics.

42 Thanks, peaches.

Anything for you, babe.

43 Sometimes data just needs to be beaten into submission to get the right answer.  Hey, by the way, did anyone else notice Al Gore's teeth last night on 30 Rock?  He's finally starting to look like a real Tennessee native for the first time in his life.

44 Remember when the Left went nuts over the Downing Street Memo, misunderstanding its reference to "fixing" the WMD intelligence?

In that case, they refused to see that "fix" meant "position" rather than "fabricate".

For the sake of intellectual honesty, is there any wiggle room here in which "hid[ing] the decline" actually means something other than what we think it does?

45 I pulled down a .torrent last night; it feels real, and no one seems seriously to be claiming it isn't.

As for the content, whether or not the emails point to real scientific malpractice in the production of numbers, they certainly point to a conspiracy in the manipulation of the peer-review and publishing process and the ones about requesting deletion of emails regarding IPCC reports may well be criminal in intent.

I'll let others better qualified pick through the data and code provided.

46 This could be huge, the alternative media needs to press hard on this story.

47 Ace, I was following comments over at the Air Vent blog last night (after learning about this on the ONT comments).  The file kept moving around from place to place -- it kept getting posted in places that would only allow a limited number of downloads.  This seems to be where it ended up, maybe because the site allows unlimited access?  Not sure, but it's been at this location since last night.

48 Sounds like a "culture of corruption" to me.

49 the same sort of scientists that deny the holes in the evolution theory they claim is settled science and that it proves there is no God? no way! they are so much smarter then us, they could never do such a thing/sarc

50 SUMMON THE METEORS

51 My favorite is the complete supplication from the Real Climate bloggers; see the Mann email to Osbourne on 9 Feb 2006.

52

In all seriousness now that we've raked Ace over the skull...

How can these people ever be taken seriously again?  We have all long suspected that this kind of blatant dishonesty was ongoing--for the sake of grant money, for the sake of publication, for the sake of being one of the cool kids...and now here is the smoking gun.

These guys are no different than those who lie and manipulate in any other criminal enterprise.  They are the intellectual equivalent of odometer-altering used car salesmen. 

53 Ignoring the science itself, the scientific process issues, the mean personal stuff, the attempts to manipulate politicians and the press; the real gems are the documented collusion to avoid disclosure and defeat various FOIA laws.

Yeah, you'd think that would be like blood in the water for serious journalism types. Considering the appearance of this file screams "whistleblower", and the story involves the creation of a fake scare that has resulted in the enrichment of some very shady and morally questionable people, you'd think the press would be over this like goose shit on a suburban lawn.

And yet, because it brings into question one of the fundamental tenets of their beliefs, and makes the Sainted Algore look even more like a fraud, I get the feeling the bulk of their reporting will be about the "hacking".

54
Ahhh... MegaUpload. I am familiar with this site. But usually not for work or politics.

Posted by: ace at November 20, 2009 04:42 PM (jlvw3)

heh, I see what you did there.

55 Cooked global warming data?  Never heard of it.  Guess that one should be left to the cables.

56 SUMMON THE METEORS

Posted by: Unclefacts, Summoner of Coffee at November 20, 2009 04:47 PM (erIg9)

Heh, Meteors, I fart in their general direction and bid them adieu.

57 Hoist the colors!

58
YRM

 Consider yourself doubly banned.


 I bid you adieu

59

Posted by: Cicero Charles Gibson at November 20, 2009 04:50 PM (QKKT0)

FIFY

60 They are the intellectual equivalent of odometer-altering used car salesmen.

Dude, don't be hating on the used car salesmen.  They're better than these scum.

61 "For the sake of intellectual honesty, is there any wiggle room here"

Yes. It is entirely possible that one could be dealing with a very jury-rigged statistical series where due to changing conditions and changing methods of gathering data and other similar artifacts, a trend appears in the data past a point that common sense says that trend never actually existed. So you'd want to correct for that, by putting in some data that reflects the change in the inputs. The phrase could mean that.

Regardless of whether that particular instance was innocent or not, there's enough other circumstantial evidence of fraud to be trouble.

62

Posted by: Charles Johnson at November 20, 2009 04:50 PM (jvrmc)

kindly fuck off!

63 Jean,

Yes, thank you, I just added that. I was unaware of that dimension of this.

64
Dude, don't be hating on the used car salesmen.  They're better than these scum.

True -- the used car salesman isn't trying to control what kind of fricking lightbulbs you have in your house. The used car salesman isn't trying to take control of your refrigerator's temperature, and won't try to get your kid to turn you in for running your furnace too warm in the winter.

65 I'm thinking Al Gore must have been given a heads up about these files being released, so he makes a ludicrous and imbecilic claim that the Earths core is several million degrees. Better to be a fool that the criminal fraud that he obviously is.

66

My wife saw what I was downloading from mega upload and put her hand on my head and called the doctor. 

 

Shes worried about my loss of autoerotic impulse.

 

I told her not to worry.  I had wood.  I have wood baby.

67 the file's checksum if your concerned: da2e1d6c453e0643e05e90c681eb1df4

68 YRM

 Consider yourself doubly banned.


 I bid you adieu

Posted by: Charles Johnson at November 20, 2009 04:50 PM (jvrmc)

Cahrles, Jesus loves you, in spite of yourself.

69 the same sort of scientists that deny the holes in the evolution theory they claim is settled science and that it proves there is no God?

Must. not. respond! Do. not. want. to. become. Charles. Johnson! Must. resist!

...battle...lost...

You, sir, are a primate, just like your close cousins, Chimpanzees and Bonobos. Your DNA and that of Pan Troglodytes is about 96% the same. (Even closer for Bonobos.) No one is asking you to like it, but you can sequence the DNA for yourself and see it -- you can run the experiment yourself. There is nothing about this fact of life that proves (or disproves) God. The magisteria do not overlap (regardless of what that douche Richard Dawkins may say).

The irony here is that evolution, which is indeed "settled science", has to content with doubters from all quarters; yet AGW, which never has had much real scientific evidence, is blandly accepted by people who should know better. In fact, I've often wondered if the AGW quacks looked at the endless wars the anthropologists had to fight and decided to simply pre-empt the hard part (being the actual science) by just lying their asses off.

70 Charles Johnson picked a pretty bad year to go full retard.  Ain't been much breaking his way the past 6 months, and the future looks pretty bleak too.

71 Chicago style politics goes global!

72 Monty, I'd say you had your answer to your last sentence, wouldn't you?

73 The hackers acted stupidly.

74 #41, no shit, Ace. I think this is the first thing I ever got off Mega Upload that wasn't lesbian bondage porn.

75

Cahrles, Jesus loves you, in spite of yourself.

Posted by: Unclefacts, Summoner of Guinness, and Near Miss Meteors at November 20, 2009 04:55 PM (erIg9)

shhhhh, he'll be smoking a turd in purgatory before he knows it and riding down to the shore of the flaming river Styx to take pictures of dilapidated piers and concrete breakwaters.

76

This, I think, will have legs.

Indeed. On just this site alone, apparently.

btw, welcome to 10 hours ago, Ace.

77 There are email discussions on the emails of tax evasion and evidence destruction in response to FOI requests.

78

Rolloroy,

I can see no room from the sentences in the passage that Ace quoted that could lead to that explanation.  It simply does not fit.

79 The skulls they are a-flamin.

80 I'm waiting to get laptop_battery's take on all this.

81

As a heterosexual male of the species, I have no clue as what shade of color chartreuse is.

Dude, it's ok to admit to knowing what color this is.  After all. some fishing lures are in chartreuse.   Which, if my beer sotted brain can recall properly, is some sort of neon green.

82 I didn't realize there were superstitious practitioners of the evolution cult here. Neither the global warming religion or the evolutionist religion has any basis in science.

83
Charles Johnson picked a pretty bad year to go full retard.  Ain't been much breaking his way the past 6 months, and the future looks pretty bleak too.

Posted by: Purple Avenger at November 20, 2009 04:56 PM (SD7yA)

Just so you know, if your looking for some mom-jeans off of Amazon, I'm your go to guy.

84 btw, welcome to 10 hours ago, Ace.

That's all right. Sometimes a pleasure deferred is all the greater for having been delayed.

85 We need this file.  I got a pocket full of GREP and its burning a hole in my pocket.

86
Flaming polar bear?

87 The hotness is not true, by using the laptop battery. Gives to him the plan for winning.

88 Please link to lefty cocksuckers bitching about these "scientists" getting their research "hacked".

I've got a pile of Palin's email getting hacked stories to drop on them.

89 I question the timing.

90 This is ball-dippingly good. But since I don't have those sorts of dangly bits, I think I'll give the girls a dunk.  AHHHHHH.  Niiiiice.

91 Don't like big downloads, torrents, and sketchy file sites A search able, web page for the files: http://tinyurl.com/ygslp98

92 Circa IYH, I'm not saying it's likely, or that it's the best explanation. I can imagine a situation where that email could get written for the case I described. People do stupid things.

But I'm not saying it's the best explanation.

93
[lazy-ass italics]Sometimes a pleasure deferred is all the greater for having been delayed.[/lazy-ass italics]

Definitely. Any thread by Ace is 10x better than his co-bloggers.

Even if Ace just posts the exact same thing verbatim, it's still better because it has -Ace in the byline.

94 People do stupid things.

But I'm not saying it's the best explanation.

Posted by: Rollory at November 20, 2009 05:04 PM (A8ejN)

Well, we know for damned sure that FiftyTwo Percent of them do...assholes.

95 I told her not to worry. I had wood. I have wood baby.

Yeah, I'm guessing Inhofe has an erection lasting more than 4 hours over this. Not to put an unwelcome image in your head or anything.

96 Every few weeks now something else comes out that really knocks a hole in the whole AGW thing. Ragged, bleeding, cannon ball sized holes.

97 What other discredited mystery religions -- as mathematician David Berlinski calls Darwinism -- do you want to teach children? Sorcery? Phrenology? Alchemy? Global Warming?

98 Yeah, I'm guessing Inhofe has an erection lasting more than 4 hours over this. Not to put an unwelcome image in your head or anything.

Posted by: joncelli at November 20, 2009 05:06 PM (RD7QR)

gee, thanks for that. I now need a bucket of mind-bleach.

99 Rollory@61:
"Regardless of whether that particular instance was innocent or not, there's enough other circumstantial evidence of fraud to be trouble."

Good to know, thanks!

100 I just posted this on Real Climate and pointed out that these emails are going to be very damaging, because they lend credibility to some of the major suspicions that fuel skepticism...

1) Climate scientists are more interested in manipulating data to make it substantiate a predetermined narrative (”It would be good to remove at least part of the 1940s blip…”) and

2) They are often merely tweaking the variables that are actually known and understood to make data fit what is supposed to “look right” given those knowledge constraints and their preconceptions/preferences.  Prime example: "I’ve chosen 0.15 here deliberately. This still leaves an ocean blip, and i think one needs to have some form of ocean blip to explain the land blip (via either some common forcing, or ocean forcing land, or vice versa, or all of these). When you look at other blips, the land blips are 1.5 to 2 times (roughly) the ocean blips — higher sensitivity plus thermal inertia effects. My 0.15 adjustment leaves things consistent with this...". In other words, they are totally making shit up.

3) They work to suppress dissenting views and data, by actually hiding data (suggesting deletion of emails), manipulating the pier review process, and pressuring publishers ("Note that I am copying this view only to Mike Hulme and Phil Jones. Mike’s idea to get editorial board members to resign will probably not work"), a problem reinforced by the buddy-buddy fraternity that exist across organizations (“I’ve just completed Mike’s Nature trick…”).

Gavin gave me a "Fair point, but..."

101 Was over at the HuffPo where they regularly get hundreds to thousands of comments for any story they post. One blogger started a thread about (gag) hopenhagen.
Guess what?
I was the only post - and my post was to enlighten this jackass of the information released today.
Not going well for environmentalist wackos.

102 You got your laptop battery in my lace wigs.

103 joncelli:

I just had this mental image of Inhofe holding Babs Boxers' hand and making her smack herself repeatedly in the nose, all the while chanting, "Quit hitting yourself! Quit hitting yourself!"

104

As a heterosexual male of the species, I have no clue as what shade of color chartreuse is.

Dude, it's ok to admit to knowing what color this is. After all. some fishing lures are in chartreuse. *emoticon* Which, if my beer sotted brain can recall properly, is some sort of neon green.

=====

Everyone knows chartreuse is like that shzt you cough up when you have sinus infections. The ochre shzt comes from your lungs. Men know colors, they just need real-world references that don't sound chick-ish. Like sea foam. What, you mean seaweed? Sea foam isn't a color, dammit.

105

What's funny is Uncle Jimbo, god bless 'im, pushes down a flaming skull post with a post about his latest Facebook entry.

106 Just went back over to check my comment and see if anyone else commented. My comment was scrubbed! There are no comments! Ha!

107 Does this mean I can go back to normal for TV use and not have to worry about the f'in environment?

108 THIS is a Friday Document Dump.

I'm doing a Snoopy dance right now....and the FedEx driver that just left the shop is thinking I'm nuts.

109

Like I said Boxer, we won, get a life.

Now go home and get your f'ckin shine box, toots.

110 Man, this is just another case of The Man coming out and taking away Green Job opportunities.  Where's Undercover Brother when you need him?

111 106 Just went back over to check my comment and see if anyone else commented. My comment was scrubbed! There are no comments! Ha!

Posted by: Def Leppard at November 20, 2009 05:08 PM (hIOnV)

Use both hands next time.

112 Is it wrong to get a tingle down my leg when I see the flaming skull?

113

#100 Keep an eye on your comment, DaveS, and report back to us. Apparently RealClimate deletes wrong thinking.

114 Can we now say that Copenhagen is nothing but a big carbon waste of a trip and time?  I would think the President and Congress will look real stupid if they press with any agreements at Copenhagen or try to pass Cap and Trade now.

115 Consider this story ignored and buried. Have a nice day.

116 DaveS, How does Gavin explain the email on which he was copied wherein Real Climate spreads its cheeks for M Mann; offering selective editing and posting to control the message?

117 I just had this mental image of Inhofe holding Babs Boxers' hand and making her smack herself repeatedly in the nose, all the while chanting, "Quit hitting yourself! Quit hitting yourself!"

Wow.  That is beautiful.  Of course, it should be "Quit hitting yourself, Ma'am."  *Grin*

118 Morsels like:

From: "paul horsman" - paul.horsman (at) uk.greenpeace.org
To: m.kelly (at) uea.ac.uk
Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 14:45:23 -0700

Hi Mick,

It was good to see you again yesterday - if briefly. One particular
thing you said - and we agreed - was about the IPCC reports and
the broader climate negotiations were working to the globalisation
agenda driven by organisations like the WTO.

seem a little too red meatish.

119 Speaking of carbon, gotta go burn some in traffic -- this is gonna go all weekend.

120 Oliver North learned that files that are deleted are not really deleted.  The only sure way to delete a file in 2009 is to remove the hard drive and melt it in a foundry.

121 113

#100 Keep an eye on your comment, DaveS, and report back to us. Apparently RealClimate deletes wrong thinking.

Posted by: andycanuck at November 20, 2009 05:10 PM (2qU2d)

The AGW believers are all a flutter over the act of the hack, and not the content of the discovered material. Not surprised.

122 Wait, their e-mails were hacked again???

Boy, for a bunch of so-called scientists, they are really pretty fucking stupid.

Keep in mind that security impairs the use of computers. The way I put it, a perfectly secured computer is protected by a company of Marines with orders to shoot-on-sight, inside a vault, with no networking, and the vault is filled with concrete. But that's just a giant paperweight and not particularly useful. But the data is safe.

I've seen a note saying that they're requiring a reset of everyone's passwords. So maybe one of the geniuses had their wife's first name as a password, or perhaps it was "fluffy" or something easily discovered via a dictionary attack.

Or it was no crack, and simply an insider deciding it was time to do a little whistleblowing. Make it look like a crack, deposit the files on warez sites and no immediate backlash.

123

But foundries give off CO2, Pelayo. They'd never do that.

124 Survey to determine the sustainability of the funky western civilization
4.What does Cap and Trade mean to you:
a.That CO2 poison gas will be reduced in the atmosphere.
b.It’s about balance of power and world domination.
c.laptop battery are spewing toxic chemicals into my drinking water

125 Gaia be damned.

126 I think I'm going to torch a Maple tree in celebration.

I'm a firestarter, a wicked firestarter!

127 The new light bulbs will leak mercury into your drinking water.

128

Or it was no crack, and simply an insider deciding it was time to do a little whistleblowing.

A few commenters have been speculating that it was someone in the Brits' FOI office doing it, ticked off at how much wasn't being released etc.

129 Oh, and this story needs to get disseminated far and wide, where everyone can see it. They need to give an accounting of their actions.

As far as FOIA requests, send 'em to NCAR, which is where Trenberth works. NCAR == National Center for Atmospheric Research.

130 Uncle Facts,

You are a regular Disco Inferno.

131

Just noticed that Dingleberry Johnson is basically saying that  Giles and O'keefe are white supremacist Nazis because they had their pic taken with Robert Stacy McCain.

He just made my top ten list of people I'm gonna punch in the face if I ever meet 'em.

132
There never was a debate on global warming. It has always been a political topic rather than a scientific one. I purposely go to a Libtard website and battle them..they can't stand up to a real debate..they show no facts..they just keep the bumper sticker rhetoric flying my way, making no real points...But that does not stop a fascist! Zealots and fascists will not let some pesky facts and science get in their way...Nope! Twist the data to fit the ideal or demonize anyone that disagrees!
Remember Morons, we are the idiots.
I prefer politicians like Pelosi, she is so warm and caring. I'm sure she would give us a big hug right before she sends us to the ovens.

133 OT but cnn.com is running a poll right now trying to lay blame at the feet of the GOP for the economic meltdown.  Maybe we can fix the poll for them.

134 Damn....my bunghole's burning.

135 The CRU is also the organization that eliminated all of the raw ground temp data from the 70's to the 90's so no one can check their normalization procedures. Just trust their normalized version of the ground data showing the increase form late 70's to late 90's, even though the satellite data for the same time period shows minimal increase.

136 The file HARRY_READ_ME.txt is really very informative.  The warmenist software is crap, to put it kindly. 

137 I'm guessing this wasn't a hack at all. It is an inside job from someone who saw erasures and realized a crime was being committed.

138 I'm a firestarter, a wicked firestarter!

Posted by: Unclefacts, Summoner of Guinness, and Near Miss Meteors at November 20, 2009 05:16 PM (erIg9)

I'm the trouble starter, punking instigator......

139 Uncle Facts never cared for trees, I seem to recall..


Need a light?

140

Damn....my bunghole's burning.

Let me guess, 1-2,000,000° F

141 "Damn. I'm just so used to being late I always assume the site is late, and I never consider the possibility that, say, Gabe already covered this."

Gabe? Never heard of him.

And is this my ass, or a whole in the ground? Little help please?

142 134 Damn....my bunghole's burning.

Posted by: Al Gore at November 20, 2009 05:18 PM (l1Wlr)

It should be it is 10 million degrees.

143 I picked one email at random that came up on a search for "FOIA" and it was pretty damning.  Something about Wang being accused of faking data for Chinese instrumentation sites, and Jones and the IPCC discounting heat island effects too much because of it.

I'm thinking as Ace suggested, this is indeed the Rosetta Stone.  Its going to connect a lot of the dots.

144

Reprise of an ego check moment that I posted this morning.

Hey, "Professor" Joes et al:

You are here.  Along with everyone else.

 

145 Or hole. Whatever.

146 90 This is ball-dippingly good. But since I don't have those sorts of dangly bits, I think I'll give the girls a dunk.  AHHHHHH.  Niiiiice.

Posted by: Syracuse1989 at November 20, 2009 05:03 PM (VIkVf)

I think the distaff equivalent of "ball-dippingly" is "lip-smackingly"... as in all six lips.

147 >>>http://minx.cc/?blog=86&post=294971#c7309587

That email to me seems red meatish but for the left. The complaint being made seems to be a lefty one, that the climate cause is being sold out to globalization.

So that doesn't seem to be a red flag to me. Sound like a lefty grousing.

148 Is that you waving on the left, Circa?

149 Dingleberry Johnson

Charles, Charles...what happened to you, man? A bad divorce? A drug deal gone bad? Blackmail? It's like the real Charles Johnson is languishing in a cellar somewhere like a modern-day Prisoner of Zenda while an evil doppelganger spouts all this leftist drivel.

I've just never seen a guy go from "moderately cool" to "complete douchebag" in such a short time absent any major life-trauma.

150 My balls will never dry out from all this dippin'.

151 O/T
Vince Flynn is on Beck for his entire show. It is outstanding!

152 @118 honey trap

Morsels like:

. . . One particular thing you said - and we agreed - was about the IPCC reports and the broader climate negotiations were working to the globalisation agenda driven by organisations like the WTO. . .

seem a little too red meatish.

Yes, they do to normal people.  I worked around government science researchers in the early '90s.  They didn't spout this kind of wonky, pseudo-intellectual jargonese.   But the activist types from the NGOs who attend conferences (groupies) do talk like that. 

It's what passes for smarts for people with nothing but shit between their ears.

153

Is that you waving on the left, Circa?

1.  That's not a wave.  IYKWIMAITYD.

2.  You still are not allowed to touch my head.

154

Come on, people. This junk science stuff you wing nuts are throwing up on the table means nothing. If you weren't so busy obsessing about and hating Obama, you would realize that it is Global Climate Change, not Global Warming that is important now. The debate is over.

/sarc

155

"But foundries give off CO2, Pelayo. They'd never do that."

To lessen the carbon foot print created when really, really deleting a file, use the alternative method of taking the hard drive apart and using an Exacto knife to scrape all the magnetic media off.    

156 Charles, Charles...what happened to you, man? A bad divorce? A drug deal gone bad? Blackmail? It's like the real Charles Johnson is languishing in a cellar somewhere like a modern-day Prisoner of Zenda while an evil doppelganger spouts all this leftist drivel.

I've just never seen a guy go from "moderately cool" to "complete douchebag" in such a short time absent any major life-trauma.

Posted by: Monty at November 20, 2009 05:23 PM (4Pleu)

That is the real CJ. After 9/11, he was just a single issue conservative anyway. Since about the fall of '07 he started reverting back to his lefty form.

The transformation is now fully complete. He only exists now to be contradictory to anything on the right.

157 This AGW treasure trove insists upon itself. Seriously.

158 using an Exacto knife to scrape all the magnetic media off.    
Posted by: Pelayo

yea but but but....they took our knives away.

159

using an Exacto knife to scrape all the magnetic media off.

Season to taste.  Serve with crackers or pita bread.

Serves 4.

160 Goodby Al ,  gaseous windbag

161 sTevo, no knives? You must live in Great Britain.

162
Al Gore should be sent to a federal penitentiary for fraud and made to play hide the sausage, starring Big Bubba.

163 Hey, by the way, did anyone else notice Al Gore's teeth last night on 30 Rock?  He's finally starting to look like a real Tennessee native for the first time in his life.
I think its the meth.  How else would he come up with all that hair-brained shit?

164

This is definitely big news, since all of you have ignored Ace's coining of the Moronpolooza motto:

tough large-breasted women

 

165 I think I'm going to torch a Maple tree in celebration.

I'm a firestarter, a wicked firestarter!


"ceremonial" fires are still legal in the People's Republic of New York. 

166

I love it when this happens

 

A guy and a gal walk into a community action office and make a videotape.

Some emails are published, that were never meant to see the light of day.

It's always that one small banana peel which topples the monster.

167 But Charlie Gibson never even heard of this scandal.

So it can't be real, right??

168 Pitchfork? Check
Torches? Check

RELEASE THE HOUNDS!!!!

169
Someone should helicopter drop the man-bear-pig off on an ice sheet, naked and bleeding in front of a bunch of hungry polar bears. That would be poetic justice.

170 164
This is definitely big news, since all of you have ignored Ace's coining of the Moronpolooza motto:

tough large-breasted women

Posted by: Mama AJ at November 20, 2009 05:34 PM (Be4xl)

Shouldn't that be, "Hot, Wet, Large-Breasted Women Writhing Orgasmically in Heat"?

Just saying.

171 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oZrhG2iT3H0

172 Blazer, where are you going to find a shit eating polar bear?

173 > As a heterosexual male of the species, I have no clue as what shade of color chartreuse is.

Hey now -- the color is named after a 110 proof booze. True story.

174
There goes Coolness, fantasizing about the improbabilities again.

175 #147 & #152
Points taken, however I'm wary of an elaborate con.

176
In this country global warming is so bad, we are now actually starting to warm up to Ace.

177

here's an important story about how tough large-breasted women have it when they attempt jogging or gymnastics. Let's talk about that.

That does sound important and by God we should talk about it. If we don't, then the terrorists will have won.

178 Blazer, where are you going to find a shit eating polar bear?

Posted by: Pelayo at November 20, 2009 05:40 PM (wwQxi)

......or dress him in a polar bear costume and cover him with female bear pheromones.

179

>a heterosexual male of the species, I have no clue as what shade of color chartreuse is.

it's the color of anti-freeze- and I'm so manly the hairs on my ballsack have their own hairs

180 I wish I could find the email from the Russian scientist detailing how to move funding around so as to evade taxes of some sort. It's like a bonanza of illegality.


--- posting from work where I am not banned!

181 Man! The shit people do in MY name.  Now, I know what Allah is always complaining about.

Fercrissakes!  If those tree huggers really wanted to help me, they'd take a bath ... WITH SOAP.

Jeez.

182 Have we herd from the chicken on this subject yet?

183

I'm so manly whenever I have a seat, my cock pulls up its own chair.

184 How does FOIA apply to a British university?  FOIA is an American law, applicable only to US govt files, isn't it? 

185 Look at the CRU website: "This website is currently being served from the CRU Emergency Webserver. Some pages may be out of date. Normal service will be resumed as soon as possible."  They're hunkered down and scrubbing. http://www.cru.uea.ac.uk/

186

......or dress him in a polar bear costume and cover him with female bear pheromones.
Posted by: Blazer

Nice touch.

187 You can offer a man a different lind of MegaUpload file, but you can't make him stop thinking about tough, large breasted women.

188

Manliness?

No joke-just punchline

The man with no arms said, "How do you think I rang to doorbell."

189

"We're gonna need a bigger boatload of horseshit."

Al Gore

190 gp, almost every (industrialized) country has some sort of freedom of information regulations. In the UK, it's FOI, and there were FOI requests against all of these data and most of the emails.

191 Has anyone determined the effect on global temperature caused by the giant screaming clouds of butt gas expelled from Meghan McCain's planet-sized derriere after a Taco Bell's 3-for-one night?

Hey, I'm just asking questions...

192 Hippies, hippies... they want to save the world but all they do is smoke pot and play frisbee!

193

Talk about an early Xmas present!

 

I'll just bet Michael "Hoky Schtick" Mann just soiled his panties.

194

How does FOIA apply to a British university?  FOIA is an American law, applicable only to US govt files, isn't it? 

Posted by: gp at November 20, 2009 05:45 PM (qtl7U)

Good point. Not wanting to piss on anybody's parade, but that was my first thought.

You'd have to axe an expert on Limey law to get a good answer.

195 Has anyone determined the effect on global temperature caused by the giant screaming clouds of butt gas expelled from Meghan McCain's planet-sized derriere after a Taco Bell's 3-for-one night?


Must not be all that bad since Allahpundit hasnt suffered any third-degree burns to his lips yet.

196 Thumbnail sketch of modern journo/reporter:

Michael Mann addressing the recent "What happened to global warming? article by the BBC's Paul Hudson which caused such outrage among the econuts

From: Michael Mann
To: Stephen H Schneider
Subject: Re: BBC U-turn on climate
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2009 09:00:44 -0400
Cc: Myles Allen , peter stott , “Philip D. Jones” , Benjamin Santer , Tom Wigley , Thomas R Karl , Gavin Schmidt , James Hansen , trenbert , Michael Oppenheimer

extremely disappointing to see something like this appear on BBC. its particularly odd, since climate is usually Richard Black’s beat at BBC (and he does a great job). from what I can tell, this guy was formerly a weather person at the Met Office.

We may do something about this on RealClimate, but meanwhile it might be appropriate for the Met Office to have a say about this, I might ask Richard Black what’s up here?

http://tinyurl.com/yzm7yz9

mike

-----

Also Newsbusters:

*****Update: Readers are STRONGLY encouraged to watch the scrambling going on at RealClimate.

http://tinyurl.com/ydjk3c8

197

Tough large breasted women?

 

Ah, run away, run away!!

_{okay, okay, I'll stop now}

198 About CRU: "the Unit has developed a number of the data sets widely used in climate research". They cook up the data that many (most?) other researchers rely upon.  Their mistakes and fudges propagate thruout the field.

199 Speaking of presents where's mine, dammit? C'mon, give Joe some B-Day love!

200 What I find interesting about this is the gut punch this is to the academic left. The sanctimonious "we are trying to save the planet" just became "but it NEEDS to be true." It fits their neo-luddite pantheism world view so perfectly that there will need to be another issue that gives them the same cudgel to swing.

In the mean time you thought the left were petty and vindictive before? Watch what is about to unfold.

201 Can someone explain something to me? Is "Real Climate" blog a blog comprised of the scientist in question on the emails or an independent of the scientist but like minded blog?

202

Posted by: Syracuse1989

 

wherestherum?

203 190 Ella: Thanks!  Here's the Wikipedia page on British FOI: http://tinyurl.com/ak46s   And you're sure this law applies to a university dept?  Is it a govt affiliate?

204

To make it more clear, you'd have to axe an expert on Limey law to get an answer about which records generated from public funded research are open to the public.

They're a weird lot over there, with their torches and lorries and flats and lifts.

205

This is the most bonerific file I've ever downloaded from MegaUpload, and if you've used MegaUpload for purposes other than downloading hacked climate-warming fraud emails, you know that's saying something.

Kphhhbblphhhh!

That's funny stuff.

206 And you're sure this law applies to a university dept?

I would suspect that if you receive gov't funding, FOI rules are part of the bargain.

207 Made my bi-monthly stop by the dark side of the basement and the "you know who" guy has his poo-poo broom out and trying to sweep this one under the rug.

208

One has to wonder if this was an insider. As I understand it, there are also temperature data files and source code for the compiling programs. That may prove to be even more valuable over the long haul.

209 Someone should helicopter drop the man-bear-pig off on an ice sheet, naked and bleeding in front of a bunch of hungry polar bears. That would be poetic justice.

Posted by: Blazer at November 20, 2009 05:38 PM (+FzLa)

And if he complains say "Are they not an endangered species?"

210 Friday evening Bicycle Spokes.

211

This is the most bonerific file I've ever downloaded from MegaUpload, and if you've used MegaUpload for purposes other than downloading hacked climate-warming fraud emails, you know that's saying something.

Uh-oh.  Ace has a hardon for this issue.  Somebody better duck-n-cover.

Ayup, it's a palpable boner.  Whoops.  That's mine.  Anyay.  Yeah, I'm smiling about this one too. 

Ace, I know you don't need to be told, but follow the money.  IOW, look for the "why."  It can't all be political ideology or religion, i.e., the religion of socialism.  Well.  Maybe it can be.  But I wanna know how they stood to gain.

Sounds like we gonna have us a hootinanny!

212 Never mind on my questio. Bought a clue and read RealClimate about page.

213

"They're a weird lot over there, with their torches and lorries and flats and lifts."

Not to mention boots, bonnets, beam dippers, and the funniest of all - little johnnies. 

214 Blazer, where are you going to find a shit eating polar bear?


If polar bears are like grizzlies, they'll eat anything, including their own shit.

Although, they might draw the line at manbearpig, especially if it's uncooked.

215 I'm way behind the curve on this.  Yes, FOI is definitely in play because the hacked e-mails themselves actually discuss FOI.

216 208 I would luuuuuv to audit some of their source code.  More than luv, I would lurrvv it.

217 Just in case you were wondering, there's no there there. Global Warming is still going to kill us all next week because SCIENTISTS who have a degree in something say so.

And you're all racists for admiring Hannah Giles ass which was groped by known racist Stacy McCain

And if you're thinking of registering during my open period, the door is now closed. I have enough fresh new names to hit with my new ban stick.

Shut up Shamuta, it does NOT taste like bicycle chain oil!

218 Friday evening anal intrusion

219 210 Friday evening Bicycle Spokes. Posted by: Charles Johnson at November 20, 2009 06:05 PM

And you can get it on Kindle now!

220 Somebody check my math on this one, the email on evading taxes -- are they talking about Russian taxes or British taxes.  The Russians have already called BS on AGW and take a dim view on tax evasion unless your "connected."

221

Shit, shit....what do I do now.

 

222 How many years can a mountain exist
Before it's washed to the sea?
Yes, 'n' how many years can some people exist
Before they're allowed to be free?
Yes, 'n' how many times can a man manipulate data,
Pretending he just doesn't see?
The answer, my friend, is glo-o-bal warming,
The answer is glo-o-bal warming,

223 The Russians have already called BS on AGW and take a dim view on tax evasion unless your "connected."


And the Russian version of "take a dim view" usually involves birch logging above the Arctic Circle on 900 calories a day.

224

I am truly impressed. I always knew they were duping us, and this ONE SENTENCE in thousands of e-mails sent over years is absolute PROOF of a global scientific conspiracy!

I think we should round up all the scientists and put them in gulags!

 

Got anything else?????

225 The Russians have already called BS on AGW and take a dim view on tax evasion unless your "connected."

According to the comments last night on Air Vent, the first place this showed up was a Russian server.  Sorry if this has already been mentioned.

226 I always knew they were duping us, and this ONE SENTENCE in thousands of e-mails sent over years is absolute PROOF of a global scientific conspiracy!

One sentence. I guess reading comprehension isn't a strong suit of you AGW fraudsters. Keep f*cking that chicken, you retard.

227 Got anything else?????

Do you? Are you going to ignore everything in your desperately idiotic attempt to spin this as a one item, you duplicitious moron?

228

One sentence. I guess reading comprehension isn't a strong suit of you AGW fraudsters. Keep f*cking that chicken, you retard.

Yes, because we all know f-cking retards regard one sentnece as postive proof.

229 So the talking point is "one sentence" (or sentnece) doesn't counteract all the chicken fucking that sooper genius Fat Albert and his crew of drones have done to gull the dumbfuck journalists and other assorted idiots into believing this steaming pile?

230

Yes, because we all know f-cking retards regard one sentnece as postive proof.

Posted by: JEA at November 20, 2009 06:43 PM (xTCi0)

What about those e-mails proving fraud? Explain it away.

Stay on topic cocksucker.

231 Yes, because we all know f-cking retards regard one sentnece as postive proof.

Soooooooooo.....you're saying you're a f'n retard.  Got it.

232

Hey, JEA! That's a sweet ass blog you got there, bro! Forget all this global warming crap, let's discuss how Natalie Portman inspired you to explore veganism more closely.

I mean, Dude! That's the kind of evolved enlightment all humans should endeavour to attain!

Can you see your aura and what color is it?

233

Hey, JEA! That's a sweet ass blog you got there, bro! Forget all this global warming crap, let's discuss how Natalie Portman inspired you to explore veganism more closely.

I mean, Dude! That's the kind of evolved enlightment all humans should endeavour to attain!

Can you see your aura and what color is it?

Posted by: Alex's Cabin at November 20, 2009 06:58 PM (vwTt0)

If I put a penis in my mouth, does that make me wretched meat-eater?

234

Gee, JEA is here late to a thread that's going dead instead of commenting on this thread two hours ago when he was at Ace's (trolling another dead thread with the same meme) and could have really given us a piece of his mind. How brave.

235 because we all know f-cking retards regard one sentnece as postive proof.

Why are you continuing to insist this is "one sentence" of proof?

Other than the fact you're a dumb-as-shit AGW cultist skidmark, I mean, and hence used to making shit up and ignoring inconvenient facts.

It's 62MB of e-mails and code, you stupid lying c*ck. Put that in your pipe and smoke it.

236

So, there's a "water blip", meaning the water for some reason gives colder readings than what it should?

Oh, yeah, and there's a "land blip" too.  Forgot.

Sixth graders have a stronger scientific method than these people.

237 Download your own copy and read em and weep. Your AGW religion has been revealed for the fraud that it is.

238 Keep your eyes on the other hand, people. These fuckers are entirely capable of----

1. Knowing this AGW shit is already dead- Axe yosef why King Barry ain't been going to Cope since like forever? Huh?

2. Thus using this shit as required to distract from Harry's "Health" legislation coming this weekend to a Senate near you.

There is no coincidence with these fuckers, only a master plan.

239

I am truly impressed. I always knew they were duping us, and this ONE SENTENCE in thousands of e-mails sent over years is absolute PROOF of a global scientific conspiracy!

I think we should round up all the scientists and put them in gulags!

 

Got anything else?????

Posted by: JEA at November 20, 2009 06:31 PM (xTCi0)

--The e-mails are just the appealing candy shell.

Decoding the data will be the chocolatey goodness inside.

P.S.  Asshat

240

If I put a penis in my mouth, does that make me wretched meat-eater?

Not if it's your own! Just ask erg!

241

I've got to pop out and send one 'round the u-bend, and while I'm in there I'll cop a fag as well

cheers

242

E-mails in the USA are likely FOIA fodder.

E-mails in the UK are probably not.  I think you would have to get a connection to a US source to do a US FOIA request.

BTW - E-Discovery and training has really come up on every lawyer and agency's radar screen in the past few years.  Court rules are being set up to deal with it and describe the retention protocols, and not just e-mail, but every part of electronic records retention.  How twitter-like communications will be dealt with is coming up.

Careful how you thumb, lawyer boy or girl.

243 Interesting.

244 feel very bad for whatever miscreant is standing in 15 degree arc directly in front of this weapon.

245 does that make me wretched meat-eater

246 If I put a penis in my mouth, does that make me wretched meat-eater?

247 I just downloaded the 50M glob.  Will examine it over the weekend.  Right now I'm headed out to Dollar Tree to load up on popcorn since the first email I picked at random was a juicy one.

248 Climate Cosa Nostra

249 This is all meaningless.  I declared the debate over years ago.

250 More of the emails at this site:

http://icecap.us/

251 burberry scarf | CD Keys

252 That's all right. Sometimes a pleasure deferred is all the greater for having been delayed.

That sounds like something a person says when he can't get laid in a whorehouse.

253 I've just never seen a guy go from "moderately cool" to "complete douchebag" in such a short time absent any major life-trauma.

Hello, Darlings!

254 I heard there was some math mojo that would hide the decline. Does that work with Rassmussen?

255

From the UK Guardian: "Professor Michael Mann, director of Pennsylvania State University's Earth System Science Centre and a regular contributor to the popular climate science blog Real Climate, features in many of the email exchanges. He said: 'I'm not going to comment on the content of illegally obtained emails. However, I will say this: both their theft and, I believe, any reproduction of the emails that were obtained on public websites, etc, constitutes serious criminal activity. I'm hoping the perpetrators and their facilitators will be tracked down and prosecuted to the fullest extent the law allows.'"

256 I think I'll send a throbbing email copy to Chaaarles.

257 In the end there will be only En Fuego! En Fuego!

258 I'm hoping the perpetrators and their facilitators will be tracked down and prosecuted to the fullest extent the law allows

Good luck with that.  Mann will be in prison before the hackers will.

259 Lots of great stuff in those files. It will take hours to plow through them all. Here is one choice piece I found:

To a group of Euro Warmers seeking to enact immediate curbs on emissions using the IPCC/UN report as a platform, from a fellow warmer-scientist:

I was very disturbed by your recent letter, and your attempt to get others to endorse it. Not only do I disagree with the content of this letter, but I also believe that you have severely distorted the IPCC "view" when you say that "the latest IPCC assessment makes a convincing economic case for immediate control of emissions." In contrast
to the one-sided opinion expressed in your letter, IPCC WGIII SAR and TP3 review the literature and the issues in a balanced way presenting arguments in support of both "immediate control" and the spectrum of more cost-effective options. It is not IPCC's role to make "convincing cases"
for any particular policy option; nor does it. However, most IPCC readers would draw the conclusion that the balance of economic evidence favors the emissions trajectories given in the WRE paper. This is contrary to your statement.


[....]
hen scientists color the science with their own PERSONAL views or make categorical statements without presenting the evidence for such statements, they have a clear responsibility to state that that is what they are doing. You have failed to do so.

This is one warmer to another, mind you. But you can see the lengths to which these pseudo-scientists are going to push on the political side of the equation, whether it fits the evidence or not. This is exactly what we Coolers have been saying for years. This is the rubbish that you get when every university is crawling with leftwing idiots looking for a cause and a research grant.

260 look, man, I've got certain information, all right? Certain things have come to light. And, you know, has it ever occurred to you, that, instead of, uh, you know, running around, uh, uh, blaming me, you know, given the nature of all this new shit, you know, I-I-I-I... this could be a-a-a-a lot more, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, complex, I mean, it's not just, it might not be just such a simple... uh, you know?  New shit's come to light , man.

261 OK, this story may actually get me to put LGF back on my bookmark bar for mockery and shadenfreude--is that wrong?

 

262 In case someone else didn't post this, the file is available via bit torrent. For example, searching for FOI2009.zip works on mininova.

263 With this crappy economy, I think I should switch religion.  I am going do what CJ does.  Switch to Scientology!  Why worry about stupid crap like the 10 Commandments and that guy Jesus, when you get L Ron Hubbard.  All the cool SciFi novels and crap. How many millions do I get paid when I help swindle preach to Hollywood celebrities?!?!?!

264 87 The hotness is not true, by using the laptop battery. Gives to him the plan for winning.

Posted by: Laptop Battery Guy at November 20, 2009 05:01 PM (erIg9)

Yet again, when mere words will not convey the magnitude of a situation, you are the deliverer of the type of counsel that soothes the frayed nerve, and reinvigorates of our very soul. We are truly not worthy, L.B.G.

265 @264: Yet again, when mere words will not convey the magnitude of a situation, you are the deliverer of the type of counsel that soothes the frayed nerve, and reinvigorates of our very soul. We are truly not worthy, L.B.G.
----------------
....in bed.

266 If I put a penis in my mouth, does that make me wretched meat-eater?

Posted by: mbt shoes at November 20, 2009 09:06 PM (b1hdx)

I Want It In Me, You Fucking Goober Gobbler~!

 

267 Time for a flaming sun?

268 At this rate, Charles will soon declare 9-11 a 'retroactive nontroversy'.

269 I tell you the Cardiff Giant was real, never mind the stupid, incriminating emails about how someone carved it out of stone. It was real and I made  a boat load of money showing it and I did not even receive the Nobel prize. Crap.

270 "feel very bad for whatever miscreant is standing in 15 degree arc directly in front of this weapon"


Are you reading the front of my underwear?

271 Wow,the image can remember the knihgt of the hell,hehe
but i think i ought to sell the laptop battery for the company with the heart.

272

" Wow,the image can remember the knihgt of the hell"

You have just written my epitaph, friend. Kudos.

273 I thought powerline blog had one of the best takes on this story.
The essence is that the global warming advocate scientists reveal themselves to be more motivated by politics than science, in their emails.

There is one message where a scientist warns not to share much information to a particular scientist on the team, because they are "not as predictable as we'd like".   That's the sign of a political operation not a scientific one. 

274 We are nearing the singularity.  Soon lefty trolls will engage in perpetual arguments with ad spam thereby overloading teh intertubes and plunging Earth into a nightmare apocalypse.

275 Hello... Is this thing on?

276 Apparently, I have somehow gained sole access to an award-winning "smart military blog".  Now you will all feel my wrath.   ...hold on... maybe I'm just drunk and it's really late....     I'm pretty sure it's one of those things.

277 It doesn't matter. i showed this to my moonbat brother, he thought that it was "hilariously fake", I must be an idiot for being fooled by Newsmax and such, Gore is right and we are stupid.

278

a palpable boner

You know, that's not a bad name for a band... The kids'll just eat that up, so to speak.

 

279 Those blackhats may have just saved us all.

280 How do you figure this will save you?!?

281 So, Charles says there is nothing damning in those emails at all. He read them.

Yup. I'm sure he sat down today and read all 4660 items in that download. PLUS, I'm certain he then unzipped the archive file inside, that provided another 2175 more items for his viewing pleasure.

Man, and I thought I read fast. Wow!

282 love this blog...never added anything to it
feel like a worm...watching
lurking

283 It never was about global warming, it was always about crooked scientists securing funding for bogus research, and of course,....control.

284

"I’ve just completed Mike’s Nature trick of adding in the real temps to each series for the last 20 years (ie from 1981 onwards) amd [sic] from1961 for Keith’s to hide the decline."

On an earlier thread I andfollowed another in supposing this concerned the 'divergence problem' with their reconstructions.

It appears we were wrong.  A smoothing routine is used to prepare spaghetti stats for presentation,  a polynomial-quadratic, 3rd order, 4th,... This function bends the end of the smoothed curve badly up or down.  So they run the temperatures out 20 years beyond(with plausible values) and toss away the bent end.

The moron is just using a stats package and doesn't know the theory so his 'hide the decline' is mostly dumb, but does leave the impression that little fibs are ok in his work.

Wattsupwiththat post by JeanS. refreshed my memory.

285 Well, fuck.

I thought the science was in on this shit. I thought the debate was over.

Now I have to think again.

Fuckers.

286

 

I blame Bush/Cheney/Rove and my typical white person cracker-ass raciest granny!!

 

OsamaHusseinIslamObama 2012'

(the terrorist-Uighur-ACORN-media choice)

-It's never too early to campaign-

287

     Oh, dear.  Somebody sounds just a wee bit butthurt. 

     You played too darned rough with the poor li'l feller, Ace.   

288 The pony-tailed ukulele player is so easy to get over on; all you have to do is mention him and wait for the inevitable meltdown.

289 Pay no attention to that douchebag behind the door.  I'm super serial!!

290
Global Warming Legislative Method

If at first you FAIL (to produce the evidence or hood wink teh peoples), FAIL, FAIL, FAIL, Again.

291 ".,.how tough large breasted women have it while jogging..."

She blinded me with Science!

292 Good morning Coolness, you are up early.

293 Yea, I didn't hang around the ONT too long last night. All the excitement wore me out *yawn*

294 I predicted this type of leak years ago, so what impresses me is not that this stuff came out, but that it took so long.

Stalin had to use random murders and purges to keep everyone singing from the same page in the hymnal, yet this group was able to control their message using nothing more than the nerd-eye ...?

I was starting to think that it was not a conspiracy but gross incompetence and I think that was more worrying.

295 The Moment Before the Pain Begins

I can't hang out on the ONT because I need 6 hours Sleep in order to function normally. although some could ague, I am not.

296 Dana Perrino alert!

Girl is on Fox right now, and SO angelic looking! Just gorgeous.

297 Hey, didn't you guys hear? LGF has declared this a "nontroversy" so we should all just shut up about it now.

298 Morning Morons -- just catching up on this latest salvo into the GW hoax...Climate Depot has most of the relevant stories regarding this debacle...btw, is Gore in hiding?

299

LGF has declared this a "nontroversy"

LGF is to sane, credible political discourse what "Stretch" Pelosi is to a good, hot biker porn fantasy:  a pitiable distraction, at best.

300 I thought the Man-Bear-Pig was thrown to the polar bears.

301

Dear Diary,

Michelle woke me this morning by smacking me up-side the head with her weight lifters belt (dang that buckle is brutal), she was screaming something about a global warming crisis.  I've got Rham on the phone, because you never let a crisis go to waist.  Now, if I could just pry Barney off my tiny, ball-less pecker then I would throw on some pants, fly out of the country, start bowing to random people until this all dies down!

 

Til next time Dear Diary,

 

Barry

 

OsamaHusseinIslamObama 2012'

(the terrorist-Uighur-ACORN-media choice)

-It's never too early to campaign-

        

302 299

LGF has declared this a "nontroversy"

LGF is to sane, credible political discourse what "Stretch" Pelosi is to a good, hot biker porn fantasy:  a pitiable distraction, at best.

LGF is more and more irrelevant every day.

303 "Global Warming E-Mail Controversy -- Al Gore, Third-World Countries Hardest Hit"

304 Hey, didn't you guys hear? LGF has declared this a "nontroversy" so we should all just shut up about it now.

What is the nontraversy, the data leak or AGW? People can (and do) believe whatever they choose. Far be it from me to stand between a fool and his folly, but don't ask me to change my life based on the tree ring samples from 12 larch trees in a remote peninsula in Siberia.

305 304 Hey, didn't you guys hear? LGF has declared this a "nontroversy" so we should all just shut up about it now.

What is the nontraversy, the data leak or AGW? People can (and do) believe whatever they choose. Far be it from me to stand between a fool and his folly, but don't ask me to change my life based on the tree ring samples from 12 larch trees in a remote peninsula in Siberia.

Posted by: fluffy at November 21, 2009 07:38 AM (4Kl5M)

HATER!!!

306 Scanning the news sites you find that Fox is the ONLY news organization covering this "non-story".  The MSM hard at work again hiding the smoking gun.

Another case of "what if".  This time let's suppose that the NRA had 61 meg of files stolen which showed them discussing ways to hide evidence of gun violence and illegal gun trafficking schemes.

Yes, it would be plastered all over every news organization in the country.

307 fake,but real

308 fake,but accurate

309 Another case of "what if".  This time let's suppose that the NRA had 61 meg of files stolen which showed them discussing ways to hide evidence of gun violence and illegal gun trafficking schemes.

Yes, it would be plastered all over every news organization in the country.

And yet, videotape of ACORN doing the same things is back-page filler.

The question to start asking the media is now 'Why are you interested in perpetuating a fraud?'

310 308 fake,but accurate
Posted by: dan I'd rather not at November 21, 2009 07:50 AM (Fd5yK)

REAL, but INACCURATE.
'Cause we said so

311 The question to start asking the media COMMIECRATS AND RINOs Is now 'Why are you interested in perpetuating a fraud?

What we need to see is Fox bring out their leading RINO sqish, Lindsey G. and ask him about the fraud.

312 CJ's reaction:

"These inconvenient facts may be tainted by beng obtained questionably, so I can pretend they don't exist. I will now stick my fingers in my ears and hum....SORRY, CAN'T HEAR YOU"

313 O/T

Another flaming skull item from yesterday via Barking Moonbat.

http://tinyurl.com/y8q7c6g

314

I don't want to be the concern-troll here, but has anybody seen anything that confirms these e-mails?  I remember how bad the Left looked after the 'fake-but-accurate' Dan Rather/Bush went AWOL story.  I don't want to have us on the climate change skeptics side to get so far out in front of this that it becomes impossible to walk it back when or if these e-mails are found to be forgeries. 

I dunno.  This just feels way too good to be true.  Like, could these eco-dork scientists be so in the tank for global warming that they'd do something so ridiculous?  Moreover, would they do something so obviously retarded that they would collapse the entire climate change argument?

As much as I want to toss this right into the face of Al Gore and every other tree-humping eco-fuck, I need some verification before I go ape shit. 

 

315 That was supposed to come out as 7th circuit overturns Lautenberg Amendment.

316 Has anyone heard about the article in a German Publication  that says the temps have NOT risen since 2000? I saw it on a Fox report...

LGF 's boy has lost it. Ah, the truth will set you free, freak!

317 As much as I want to toss this right into the face of Al Gore and every other tree-humping eco-fuck, I need some verification before I go ape shit.

The guy who they were stolen from has admitted they were his.

318

has anybody seen anything that confirms these e-mails?

"A 62 megabyte zip file, containing around 160 megabytes of emails, pdfs and other documents has been confirmed as genuine by the head of the University of East Anglia's Climate Research Unit, Dr. Phil Jones."

319 PS...someone mentioned data sets being cooked up...That would be how the IPCC tried to look legit. They "interpreted data" sent their way and never performed any scientific measures.

You know like the old Hypothesis/Statement, example/experiment, Results. Then repeat for validity and reliability.
Nope. None of that, just, hmmm emails and liars it appears.

320 The piltdown man was nothing compared to the Global Warming scam.

321 These emails, alas, simply won't matter. GW is a religion. Any challenge just makes its adherents double down. The MSM will ignore the story, and the Leftie blogs will call them fake.

No, the death of GW Religion will come ina three decades or so, after years of cold winters. THEN, its adherents will relapse to chatter about the Coming New Ice Age.

And it'll all be George W. Bush's fault.

322 "annoys the crap out of Charles Johnson"

That's a rather broad category lately!  Can't believe I ever bookmarked that site. Don't forget to keep up with all the hijinks at Bite Me Comics! I'll bet that annoys him even more.

323

 The piltdown man was nothing compared to the Global Warming scam.

Now, now.  No need to drag the FLOTUS into all of this.

324 If FOIA material was deleted, someone is in trouble.  If there was a discussion about deleting FOIA material, ding ding ding conspiracy!

Damn it all to hell, there will never be enough popcorn to get me through the next few years.

325 The AGW advocates will simply ignore the evidence. Just like the NOAA site which still cites the bogus x out of 10 hottest years lie from NASA that they were forced to retract 2 years ago.

The actuality is that we have been cooling now for over a decade even as CO2 levels have increased.  What we should start seeing now is turning of the CO2 levels as the driver for CO2 release from the oceans is removed. (Note that the ocean temp decrease will lag the atmosphere temp decrease and even when ocean temps start decreasing it will take a long time to show up as decreasing CO2 levels.

Of course the scam artists were counting on getting these crap and tax schemes passed long before that happened to they can take credit for the expected reversal.

326

 annoy the crap out of Charles Johnson

Gotta be a two, maybe three day job.  Minimum.

327 Don't know if this was brought up before but the real heroes in this story are Steve McIntyre (of Climate Audit) and Ross McKittrick.  They are the ones who raised questions about the veracity of the Mann, Bradley and Hughes "hockey stick" model and exposed its many flaws.  They also went after the cherry-picking of data in the tree growth ring studies of Briffa, Cook and other "dendroclimatologists" - IMHO the botanical equivalent of astrology. 

Recently, McIntyre came a breath away from calling the work of these charlatans "fraud."  Now we know. 

328 I'm really sick of all this global warming crap but anything that annoys the crap out of the long haired hippie is ok with me.

329

282 love this blog...never added anything to it
feel like a worm...watching
lurking

I rarely contribute anything, but the comments section alone has significantly improved my quality of life.

330

This, I think, will have legs.

Ace was right, again!

331
here we go again with the italics refusing to do their job

332 I bumped this cuz its important and annoys the crap out of Charles Johnson

The Board hereby adopts the mission statement of  AceCorpLLC^® by acclimation.

333

I rarely contribute anything, but the comments section alone has significantly improved my quality of life.

Posted by: Nicole at November 21, 2009 09:02 AM (CH1cF)

Bacon bikini pic or it didn't happen.

334

Question for anyone who's downloaded the zip or has the file directory: are there any files with the extension .sas,  .sas7bdat, .ssd or  .ssd04 ?

335 So all these scientists have to do for Gore and The New World Order is claim that they have now discovered that carbon emmissions are actually causing global cooling.  So we will still have to get curley light bulbs and tiny cars.  Oh yeah, and pay the carbon tax.

336 Johnson says this goes nowhere and is deleting comments that don't agree with that. Some of the brain dead are asking him permission to post but he says no.
Now here is a picture of scummy beach, Stacy McCain, and Sarah Palin. You know what to say.

337 Cahrles, Jesus loves you, in spite of yourself.

No, I don't.

338 What's this story about meteors coming?

339 Hey these political scientist are feeling the money pinch too. They would do anything to get funding. Man is there anybody that we can trust just a little bit. Geezus
Oh yeah Sarah! They fear her even more, she just got through saying this global warming is kookamamey. Palin looking better everyday.

340

 kansas

"Johnson says this goes nowhere and is deleting comments that don't agree with that. Some of the brain dead are asking him permission to post but he says no"

I am beginning to think cj is making these outrageous statements to drive traffic to his site.

341 Hey now -- the color is named after a 110 proof booze. True story.

Made by monks.

342 iowahawk, No, files with those extensions.

343 So, in summary, what is this ?

They were stripping real data points at the extreme ends of the bell curve, thus minimizing the variation in the weather record?

That would be like a structural engineer stripping out extreme structural loads, such as hurricane force winds, floods, snow loads in Maine, and seismic; then claim that if such an event were to occur, and it looks like it will, it will unprecedented (and caused by man).

344 iowahawk, No files with those extensions.

345 you're all idiots...not you guys, but the rest of them

346

No, I don't.

Uh, that's not me.

This is the real Jesus speaking.  And I love everybody. 

Well, at least because Dad says I have to in the case of Charles, and a few others.

Especially the ones who pretend to be a follower in order to gain cred with the local yokels in Chicago, who really aren't my followers either, but just like listening to some closeted marxist muslim who happened to decide he liked pulled pork sandwiches better than he liked Mohammed, or working for a living.

 

347 iowahawk:  >>Question for anyone who's downloaded the zip or has the file directory: are there any files with the extension .sas,  .sas7bdat, .ssd or  .ssd04 ?<<

There's an online word search for the emails, if that helps.  Go here to check it out.

348 Blobal warming stopped because Sarah Palin told it to...

349 What a great story. I somehow missed it yesterday so I'm sure I'm a bit behind everyone else, but WOW. Talk about a smack in the face to the climate-fraudsters and their useful idiots (yes, Chuckles, that means you).
I don't expect this to get a lot of national media attention (right on the heels of "Green Week" bwahahahaha), but it will have to get some. I'm actually looking forward to presenting the e-mail story to my father-in-law on Turkey day. He's a longtime member of the Church of Gore, so it'll be interesting to hear his take.

350 This story is so bonoriffic, we'll have to buy time on the Large Hardon Collider.

351 Perhaps if they hadn't lost the raw land data and have nothing but their unverifiable normalized land data for the last 30 years (that doesn't correlate to the satellite data) we could give them the benefit of the doubt. Secrecy, manipulation and hidden/lost data do not provide credibility.

352

Bacon bikini pic or it didn't happen.

Posted by: Herr Morgenholz at November 21, 2009 09:14 AM (8j/5u)

 

'Fraid I can't...the dog ate it.

353

An Inconvenient Hack

354
lol@ troll JEA

If the sentence read, "Hey guys, I can't believe we're succeeding with this epic hoax!!!," JEA would say, "Is that all you got, that one sentence?"

355

I'm in Phoenix on business and staying at the Hyatt downtown where there is a conference of academics from all over the world on the "History of Science."

I was having dinner at the bar last night..(They didn't fucking have Value-Rite vodka) and began chatting with the group next to me, who were attendees of the conference.

I mentioned that it was kind of ironic of the timing of the uncovering of evidence of the global warming hoax conspiracy and their conference . The douchebag next to me...his badge, I think,  said he was from Princeton...looked at me and said that the issue was very complicated and that I probably didn't fully understand it.

I was pretty well lubricated at that point and said "OK, you fucking genius...explain it to me". That's when the whole group erupted and began yelling about how the media was misrepresenting the facts ...and we the public were too stupid to get it. It was hilarious. I just sat there smiling and told them to reduce the issue down to my level so I could understand it. That just made them even more upset and loud. 

The manager actually had to come over and tell them to quiet down. I can still feel the glares.

356 353

Heh.

The Greenies must be bitterly disappointed that their fraud didn't have the necessary sustainibility.

357
This is what's great about radical Leftists. They keep moving the goalposts and changing the rules so often they eventually find themselves out of the ballpark.

Just like the Nazis and every other well-organized fringe/cult movement, they go too far and finally put themselves out of business.

358
The Greenies must be bitterly disappointed that their fraud didn't have the necessary sustainability.

haha, good one.

359 Hacking is illegal and racist.

360 beedubya 355

Great story. Well played, Sir, well played.

361 355, beedubya, nicely done

Good occurrence for one of those undercover cameras.

362 The interesting thing about this scandal to me is that it seems to back up what Ian Plimer was saying in his book Heaven and Earth - Global Warming the missing science, that basically the data sets used to justify the theory of man caused AGW are essentially a load of BS cherry picked to specifically marry up with a predetermined outcome that supports the climate scientists theories.

363 Ah, Seattle Slough and Bob Munck, we hardly knew ye.

364

Global warming ahs to be real. Al Gore is betting on it...literally with all his financing of and investing in carbon offsets.

365 The World is infected with people and institutions that are greedy and evil.

They thrive on the wealth created by others and rely on stupidity and ignorance and distractions to further their goals.

It's too bad we can't get 100 million Americans to go on strike for a few months.

That would shine a light on them.

366 Every one of these arrogant 'scientists' that supported this hoax should be tried for crimes against humanity, have their credentials permanently removed, and spend the rest of their miserable lives in Leavenworth.

367

 

 Andrew Bolt (Courtesy The Drunkablog):

This is clearly not the work of some hacker, but of an insider who’s now blown the whistle.

 

Not surprising, then, that Steve McIntyre reports:

 

Earlier today, CRU cancelled all existing passwords. Actions speaking loudly.

 

http://tinyurl.com/ygaybkh

368 Good Old Bob Munck.

He fell off Mt. Kilimanjaro and can't get up.

369

Charles Johnson is firing back at Ace...with one of those cartoon rifles where the barrel is bent and fires back at the shooter..

Normally I’d ignore this, but “Ace” has posted something so moronically misguided and false it calls for a response: Charles Johnson Now Deleting Posts for Mentioning Hacked Global Warming Fraud Emails....

...But in the real world where people aren’t on hair trigger outrage watch, I deleted the comment not because it mentioned the Hadley emails, but because it linked to downloads of illegally obtained data.

“Ace” may have no problem with that, but I don’t want LGF to be used to circulate files that were acquired by breaking into a private email server. That’s the reason it was deleted.

 

370 I warned those fuckers by tinkering with the sunspots to cut the shit but now they're gonna get a century of cooling and a pack of ravenous mole rats to nibble at their ankles.

371

OK i gotta read AOS at work today- need some entertainment

 

_{DANCE, MONKEY!}

372 The left inventing things for political purposes? The deuce you say! Next you'll tell me that "news" organizations make up stories. I'm sure that this will get big play in the US media. Right after they fill us in on all of the latest important news of Orca and Levi Johnston.

373
Soooooo...

big day today, huh?

I'm thinking the bill doesn't get passed, tonight.

374 This is clearly not the work of some hacker, but of an insider who’s now blown the whistle.

Hacker is such an ugly word.

375



You know what else annoys the crap out of Charles Johnson?

Burs on his bicycle seat pole.

376 Here it is if you wanna download it, Iowahawk! 

377

So can't he just delete the links? Do a little FIFY bit? And then discuss it?

Seems odd.

378

>“Ace” may have no problem with that, but I don’t want LGF to be used to circulate files that were acquired by breaking into a private email server. That’s the reason it was deleted.

 

the internet's lamest amateur photographer/blogger isn't concerned with the content- no, the controversy is how the content came to light

what a lightweight

hey chuckie- pointing your camera at a fence and tripping the shutter doesn't make you a photographer- it just proves you own a camera

lame ass punk

379 Posted by: beedubya at November 21, 2009 10:24 AM (F6VBK)

That's hilarious.
When a conservative is "caught" doing something, the revelation is considered the result of a courageous whistleblower. But when Charlie's precious fiction is exposed for what it is, and the sources he's relied on are proven to be the frauds that we've been calling them for years, he only sees "illegal hacking".
What a douche.

380

This is deadly stuff.

But will anybody pay attention? 

381

More delicious email goodness at http://bit.ly/6fAXAc .

The ridiculously ironic part is that this cabal thinks that they are scientists and the skeptics are goofy.  And to prove it, they will go to outrageous lengths to cover up mistakes, hide contrary data, keep skeptics papers from being published, seated at journals, and given jobs.  AlGore science:  by any means neccessary.

And AlGore himself is clearly raving, barking mad.  After being beaten by GWB he went home, went crazy, and came up back with a plan for the Great AlGore to save the world.  Bewteen BDS & watermelon syndrome the MSM has played along.

382 Interesting how much flying these scientists do. One would think that they'd be a little more sensitive to teh evil CO2 caused by air travel.

383
Imagine the likes of Charles Johnson in 1940? He'd be presented with facts that Hitler was gassing Jews and Johnson would dismiss the evidence because it was gathered by spies. What an ignorant poof.

Charles Johnson is like Christiane Amanpour of bloggers.

Christiane Amanpour Throughout History, Part I.
And Part II.

If you haven't seen the above linked pics, click and laugh.

384
Or don't.

Your choice.

385
Your loss if you don't.

Just sayin

386 Regarding "Forcing".

This is a method from set theory applied to stats (one intuition of the technique is primarily statistical). Kind of a probabilistic curve fitting/extending.

My understanding is the technique can be used between any two data sets. However, for the same reason the resulting set can be meaningless.

I don't really know enough about the technique to evaluate, but I have a point.

1) I think forcing is a perfectly valid technique here, and doesn't in itself call into question the methods or data. I mention this because the word itself sounds kind of nefarious in this context. If I'm wrong about this, please post otherwise. As far as I know, the technique is learned in Stats 101. I just don't know.

2) They are proposing forcing some data set onto the curve at specific locations for the express purpose of making the curve fit their hypothetical data.

If this was done for the purpose of developing a model, it can still be a valid technique. Lets say we have a HYPOTHETICAL data set, and we find that by forcing different types of measurements onto the curve at different locations and by different weights, the resulting curve can be made to match our hypothetical curve. That's perfectly valid.

As long as the model is then tested against reality.

Its this last step, testing against reality, where the real problem arises. Billions (trillions?) of dollars are at stake over a HYPOTHETICAL model of AGW that has not been tested. The HYPOTHETICAL model has already been adopted by political entities. And scientists appear to be manipulating data FOR THE PURPOSE of shoring up the untested hypothetical model.

That is not Science, and Galileo would be appalled.

387
Do what you want.

No hair off my ass.

388 I did, and did.

389
Dammit, how could I forget PART III.

390

Bewteen BDS & watermelon syndrome the MSM has played along.

What's watermelon syndrome?

391

ace, leave Chucky alone or I'm gonna start dropping "N" bombs. You've been warned.

392
Ward Churchill, fake indian, talks about little Eichmanns.

But isn't it amazing how many little Walter Durantes we have running around?

393 WTF is a Charles Johnson? Sounds like a porno star??

394
Speaking of Fake Indian Educator...

Iowahawk did a funny parody a few years back called...

Chutch!

395 Katya, green on the outside, red on the inside. (course this will probably be answered 3 times before my post hits).

396

Poor Mad King Chuckles

hahaha

I'm still waiting for my "favorite" critic to attack me for posting about this on my blog. Usually if he doesn't comment on my blog he will start a new thread in a Msypace group and complain there. Sometimes he even does both.

I know he has seen the post. Not a peep yet.

hahaha

 

397

green on the outside, red on the inside.

You mean red as in commie?

398 Now can we shove algore into a torpedo casing and fire him into the sun?

399

Sorry to upset you guys, but....FOIA is simply not applicable here.  As mentioned above, that is US Law and does not apply to the Brits.  They may have an equivalent, but...

Also, E-mails between academic collegues are generally not subject to FOIA even at a a state university despite it being some "center."  They are discoverable by the government or someone suing them.  The underlying raw data may be subject to FOIA, but not their emails.

 

 

400 The "trick" referenced is the adjustment of real data when it diverges from proxy data. The import is that the proxy data was used to minimize the medieval warming period and to emphasize the decadal warming of recent times.Clearly the proxy data was suspect, a very inconvenient fact for those seeking to confirm AGW and panic the public into rash action.

401 Without global warming we'd still be stuck in the ice age and how would that work out you ... idiots.

No need to reply,i have a bike to ride.

402 I'll slooter the hule lot o' yœ.

403 Susan; if you had read all the entries you would have found that the U.K. has a similar law and it IS applicable.

404 Your loss if you don't.

Just sayin

Posted by: goforitbillbelichik at November 21, 2009 10:41 AM (z37MR)

Good stuff; I always enjoy anything that rattles Christiane Imawhore's cage.

405 the monkeys aren't dancing fast enough!

406

I don't think Charlie at LGF (little goat fucker) is going to approve of you post.

He's been bought by his gay lover Georgie Porgie Soro's.

407 I'm sure Eric Holder will get all over the conspiracy to delete information that the law requires must be retained illegal hacking of the email database.

408 The import is that the proxy data was used to minimize the medieval warming period and to emphasize the decadal warming of recent times.

Proxy data does in fact show the medieval warning and mini-ice ages. They just left them out of the hockey stick to begin with.  Then they cherry picked the trees to use for the downstream data to make it appear worse.

Proxy data can be an accurate indicator IF you use it correctly. The fact is that they have fraudulently manipulated the data from the very first of the project even prior to Kyoto.

Personally, I think people in congress have always known this which is why they voted unanimously not to even bring Kyoto to a vote. It wasn't until the Dems started beating on Bush with it that they started jumping on the water mellon wagon.

409 BTW, Britain does have a FOI act effective 2005. in fact the information here is also available under a separate act concerning environmental matters, It is likely that many of these emails are exempt, but the  sought information referred to in  the emails, ie the Briffa and Mann data source,s are clearly not exempt and the authors were clearly trying to avoid turning the information over. We know why. The do not support the hockey stick graph. In fact the hockey stick cannot be duplicated. That is why one of the emails says MM (Michael Mann) must stand on his own in explaining his graph of climate doom.

410 He's been bought by his gay lover Georgie Porgie Soro's.

Oy. Werk on yer fekkin grammar ye molting slod.

411

This is vindication for those of us who trusted our instincts all along and refused to believe the AGW hoax.

I love the smell of schadenfreude in the morning...

412 Not to turn this into another "Charles Johnson is a fag" post, but ... why is he so opposed to this information?

I understand he worships at the altar of science (which is being a gourmet of finely cooked paintings or being a big fan of the sport of trees growing), but what about this story violates the love of good science and desire for more people to have greater scientific acumen?

What is the relation between Darwinism and the desire to embrace AGW without question or allowing discussion?

413 Science has been ACORN-ized.

414 90 This is ball-dippingly good. But since I don't have those sorts of dangly bits, I think I'll give the girls a dunk.  AHHHHHH.  Niiiiice.

Posted by: Syracuse1989 at November 20, 2009 05:03 PM (VIkVf)

 This comment is worthless w/o pics

415 another link to file in case.............

http://drop.io/climatezip#

416 I also suspect this is a whistle blower data dump. The use of a Russian server was very clever and indicates collaboration. There are more than one involved here.

417 LiveFreeOrDie @386, the thing is it's worse than that.  The model has been tested.  It predicted massive temperature increases this decade and the total melting of the Arctic ice cap 'any year now.'  The opposite is happening.  The model has no predictive value and is therefore wrong as anyone on the planet can observe.

418

>What is the relation between Darwinism and the desire to embrace AGW without question or allowing discussion?

it's about staking one's monumental self-worth to the validity of a feel-good premise, then being forced to confront the horrible truth that one was wrong all along, and thus a douchebag

419

 WTF is a Charles Johnson? Sounds like a porno star??
I'll take 'fluffer' for $300, Alex.

420 What is the relation between Darwinism and the desire to embrace AGW without question or allowing discussion?

Darwinism is the creation myth and AGW the end times prophecy of the false religion of 'science.'

421 It is sad that this AGW hoax is being falsely and wrongly compared to Evolution and the well founded Theory of Evolution by Natural Selection.

AGW and Evolution could not be more different. The same can be said about the folks that promote each one.

422 I deleted those comments because the posters _asked_ me to!  Free Speech is Free at LGF!  Sadly, that's why I have to pimp for donations at the end of every post....

::sigh::
Sharm!  I need more bicycle chain grease!!

423

#397

Yep! Help save the planet, and all of you are going to pay. Pretty much sums it up.

424

so i went to cnn.com to see their reporting on this story

ctrl+f 'climate'

no results

ctrl+f 'palin'

4 stories

425 Maybe...just maybe...we will be saved from these Marxist/Communist creatures by a steady combo of hackers, whistle blowers and undercover film makers.

426

That is why one of the emails says MM (Michael Mann) must stand on his own in explaining his graph of climate doom.

Which is disaster because using Mann's methods one can get a hockey stick from random data.

BTW, anyone else having trouble with comments when using IE8? It takes forever for the screen text to catch up to the typing.

427 AGW and Evolution could not be more different. The same can be said about the folks that promote each one.

Posted by: eman at November 21, 2009 11:30 AM (R54la)

Bingo.  AGW is a return to pre-Galileo thought in which man is the center of all problems with the universe.

428 I'll take 'fluffer' for $300, Alex.

I had to look up "fluffer" on urbandictionary.  Funny stuff.  You learn something new every day.

429 Flaming skulls cause globull warming. Even dumbass CJ knows that.

430

I'll take 'fluffer' for $300, Alex.

That's what Johnson said, Trebek.

And now I'll take Anal Bum Cover for $200.

431

""“Today, more than ever before, science holds the key to our survival as a planet and our security and prosperity as a nation,” Obama said in his radio address""

I can't decide who is a bigger lying COCK SUCKER.  Opie or Charlie Johnson.

EVERYTHING a LIBTARD says is a lie. 

432
What is the relation between Darwinism and the desire to embrace AGW without question or allowing discussion?

It shows that the science community is all-knowing. It also shows WE are the masters of our fate, not some god. There are plenty of implications, really. The whole point of Global Warming alarmism is to create a leftist secular world-government.

Sorta like the USSR but with political correctness.

433

I use IE7.0, Mark, and that happens all the time at Ace's for threads getting alot of traffic and/or comments. It's not your p.c. or browser.

434 This isn't going to stop Manbearpig, Barry Waffles, or Congress from throwing  a chain around our respective necks for the rest of our lives. 

435 Unfortunately Dan, you are correct..  LIBTARDS ignore FACTS.    They don't need facts.

436 @412

Why does anyone pay attention to ChuckieJoe at all anymore?  On any topic?  His blog posts fall into one of 4 categories:

1) Videos of masturbatory guitar playing
2) Empty, soulless photographs
3) Cherry-picked-quote bashing of Glenn Beck, Sarah Palin, etc.
4) Pro-AGW horseshit

437 It is sad that this AGW hoax is being falsely and wrongly compared to Evolution and the well founded Theory of Evolution by Natural Selection.

AGW and Evolution could not be more different. The same can be said about the folks that promote each one.

That is not a completely true statement.  Some of us do not promote either one.

438 Darwinism is the creation myth and AGW the end times prophecy of the false religion of 'science.'

There is an eerie similarity between how people who doubt either one are treated and the language used for support of both. There is something to that, even if you were being facetious.

439 Before Galileo it was thought God not man was the center of the universe. Pre-Galileo thought has nothing to do with human supremacy.

440

I'm not going to bother with linking all of the individual posts, but Tim Blair's MSM blog has alot of stuff about all of this and other Green crap (like a Greenie commercial that shows polar bears dropping dead from the sky) that's worht a look. But for highlights, there's this roundup from Jules Crittendon of worldwide reaction from Left and the good guys. And there's a searchable database here via Andrew Bolt's MSM blog.

441 worht = worth [damn time-lag]

442

Glanced at the headline of the St. Louis Post Dispatch (think NY Times, except without even reporters who quasi try to pretend to be objective). Headline on this "Hackers Claim False data manufactured to support Global Warming". Translation = yup, its true.

443 Trzupr over at Threedonia has posted a complete PowerPoint presentation he found among these files. It's apparently from some PR firm the CRU consulted, and it is damning stuff.

http://www.threedonia.com/archives/16387

444 I think we need more Thomas Dolby here.

445 And for Asshole JEA, here's a collection of damning single (and multiple) sentences collected so far via an Andrew Bolt link in his link, above, from the Bishop Hill blog. Bookmark this one, folks, as it's going to be updated on an ongoing basis.

446 Hardon Particle Collider, huh?

447 The absolute failure of hurricane projections for 2009 (there were none that reach the states or even Mexico!!!) demonstrated the extreme difficulty (impossibility) of reliably predicting the climate for any given micro-period much less a multi-year macro-period.  There are simply too many variables and the equations that come closest to representing the climate are non-linear.  To get a better understanding on the difficult of non-linearity, one should read books on Chaos Theory.  Simply put, the extrapolation of non-linear functions depends on the initial conditions (values).  Any change in the starting point results in a different projection.  Well, nature,  climate and everything in the universe behave in this manner.  Therefore any prediction of climate change is little more than a SWAG, a scientific wild ass guess.

448

Gotta read Powerline's "Alarmists Do "Science": A Case Study"

It's devastating.

(sorry I try to link but it won't let me).

449 ... why is he so opposed to this information? I understand he worships at the altar of science...

Because it goes against Johnson's pre established "religion". 

He doesn't worship at the altar of all science though, only that science which appears to be politically useful to him.  The universe and the laws it plays by don't work that way though.  It doesn't give a shit what man's desires, politics, and hopes for anything are. 

I wish the hell that the element Iron had a different valence and was prone to establishing covalent and trivalent bonds -- that would really rock for us.  But my wishing won't make it so, so I have to accept Iron is a poor candidate for our work and we'll have to use other (somewhat) costlier elements.

The Charles Johnson types of the world can't accept realities of this sort and will literally do anything they need to that keeps their world view intact.  Of course, that is only a delaying action since nature can't be fooled, bribed, bullied, coerced, etc.

When it comes time to stand and deliver, she'll abandon you in a heartbeat if you've been fibbing and telling lies behind her back. 

450

I saw that the term "butthurt" was brought up by an LGF trespasser here yesterday.

I don't think they should bring that into use here. Not because of delicate sensibilities, though.

The reason is because Chuckie Johnson himself and LGF have become the new definition of butthurt in the blogosphere, after these emails came out.

Butthurt LGF is putting on an extra pair of underpants today!  

 

451 @443

In the comments, someone posted a link to the PR firm that was giving them that advice.  Their list of their other clients was interesting reading, too.

452 417 Methos "The opposite is happening. The model has no predictive value and is therefore wrong as anyone on the planet can observe."

That's the point I'm making.

I'm only putting a warning out there... if you counter argue using bad points, you're argument won't carry as much weight.

The problem isn't that the model is being tweaked to match a hypothesis. Lots of models have become more robust over time through the same type of data tweaking that you see here. Notably, local weather models have become increasingly predictive through this same type of manipulation.

We have a model. We note that the curve was low in an area compared to the real data gathered after this latest coastal storm. We notice that if we force tide data onto our old curve, it looks more like the new data. WE TEST THE NEW MODEL. Is it more predictive?

The inherent problem in this case is not the data tweaking. The problem is that the tweaking is being done to match a hypothesis that is not being treated as a hypothesis, but as a law.

453

See, I told you the oceans would stop rising after I am elected.

454 "OK, you fucking genius...explain it to me".

Nice.  One of the defining characteristics of liberals is their view that issues are "complicated", without ever making the attempt to simplify them.

455 Go to wattsupwiththat.com. A Russian has put a web-search interface onto the archive.

456

(sorry I try to link but it won't let me).

Biff: use tinyurl

457 Betcha Sharamuta's 1 bedroom apartment stinks of cat-pee and desperation.

458 Couldn't wait to see how the Seattle Times covered this this morning.  There it is: "Study links ailments to global climate change"

You really have to be an idiot to trust a newspaper to report the truth, don't you?

459 353

An Inconvenient Hack

Posted by: Blazer at November 21, 2009 10:04 AM (+FzLa)

I think a more appropriate title to this should be: "An Inconvenient Spoof"

460

ps. "Study links ailments to global climate change" is by Harvard Medical School.  We are lead by the best and brightest, for sure.

I'll be under my bunk.

461 ...But in the real world where people aren’t on hair trigger outrage watch, I deleted the comment not because it mentioned the Hadley emails, but because it linked to downloads of illegally obtained data.

Did Chuckie discuss the stories in the NYT that were classified information leaked illegally? You bet his fruity ass he did.

462 Quick, check out this video of Mike Mann during an AGW lecture at the San Diego Zoo.

463 I sent this to ace but i dunno how soon he'll check his email so I'll repost it here:

The Charles Johnson flaming skull. Enjoy.

http://___694.imageshack.us/___694/7495/flamingcharles.gif

464 ugh. replace the ___ with ___

465 err, make that i m g without the spaces.

466

But in the real world where people aren’t on hair trigger outrage watch, I deleted the comment not because it mentioned the Hadley emails, but because it linked to downloads of illegally obtained data.

God what a pathetic two faced scum bag.

467

To sum up #447

(As our local weatherpersons do)

"On the seven day forcast, probable rain on Tues. and possibly snow on Thurs. But that could change, depending on several factors. We'll update you more as this system develops."

That about it?

468 http://tinyurl.com/ykcvmmo

Hinderacker of Powerline talking now.

469 The Powerline piece is very interesting.For those unfamiliar with the background, McIntyre, after years of requests, thought he had finally received Briffa's Yamal, a Russian lake, tree proxies. To McIntyre it appeared there were 12 or so. McIntyre then and used all availble proxies that the Russians had supplied Briffa to see if the hockey stick was evident. It was not. McIntyre was then ridiculed by the AGWs and many blogs because the 12 proxies turned out to be twelve sets of data. In otherwords Briffa had used 120 data points, a much broader approach that would tend to negate the cherry picking argument. BUT, the problem remained. Behind the ridiculous laughter was the fact that the hockey stick disappeared when all data points were used. And Briffa's has yet to explain how he chose his data points or his data sets. A serious matter given that McIntyre's analysis showed a slight cooling trend, a conclusion the Russians share. i believe we indeed dealing with a hoax and a cover up.

470 Ima let you finish, but Bernard Kettlewell had one of the greatest data manipulation frauds of all time!

471 One of the defining characteristics of liberals is their view that issues are "complicated", without ever making the attempt to simplify them.

Without that, you can't maintain a high priesthood which the commoners must "trust".

Myself, I've never had any problem coming up with suitable analogies and simplifications when explaining my work to people who aren't well versed in chemistry, semiconductor materials, production machinery design.  

I have a friend who is a retired plumber who never went to college.  Yet I was able to explain how our magic shit directly morphs incoming electrons to photons to him in a manner he was able to understand and didn't make him feel I was talking down to him.

Anyone in a technical venture who wants to get any investors better develop this talent pretty quickly.  You need to be able to do the full tech dump on people who can understand, yet give the other 99% of the population a sense that you do know what you're talking about. 

472

Infighting at the Climatic Research Unit following the release of hacked emails caught on tape.

473

How long until Charles starts posting conspiracies involving Trig Palin?

474 But in the real world where people aren’t on hair trigger outrage watch, I deleted the comment not because it mentioned the Hadley emails, but because it linked to downloads of illegally obtained data.

For CJ of all people to type that is a sweet and sour brew of ironic hypocrisy and stunning ignorance.

475 They are doing EVERYTHING Charles Jojo constantly accuses Creation Scientists of doing. But he's open minded enough to be cool with it.

476 Cahrles is a monumental fuckwit, and isn't worth my time to even go over there and read his nonsense.

477 Here's the Power Line item that biff was discussing about the collusion against Steven McIntyre etc.

478 LiveFreeOrDie, okay, I guess I just read that the wrong way.

>Darwinism is the creation myth and AGW the end times prophecy of the false religion of 'science.'

>There is an eerie similarity between how people who doubt either one are treated and the language used for support of both. There is something to that, even if you were being facetious.

I wasn't being facetious.  I don't doubt that evolution as a process occurs today.  I can see how a Christian or Jew might buy into that process extending back more or less indefinitely-the Bible says God formed man from mud while the theory says the mud formed itself into man.  My issue is when folks get on a jihad about how, given their failure to perceive God at work in the process, the process itself proves the non-existence of God.  It does nothing of the sort.  Think about the kind of experiment you'd have to run in order to prove that the process, given mud and favorable conditions, could produce us.  Even if it worked, you would not have proven the non-existence of God.

You would have proven that a sufficiently intelligent being could arrange mud and favorable conditions that produce man.

And never mind the circular reasoning involved.  The most basic motivational idea of science is that all things can be explained and understood by any human smart enough to sort it out and that the idea "Because God says so" is thought a cop out and unwelcome.

479 News Alert

Landreui announcing she will vote for moving forward on the bill.

She was bought off. New it would happen.

480

>a heterosexual male of the species, I have no clue as what shade of color chartreuse is.

it's the color of anti-freeze- and I'm so manly the hairs on my ballsack have their own hairs

Oh, so it's GREEN.  Why don't they just say so then?

481

I'm trying to work with the files in getting them to import into Outlook. So far I have tried 2007 and even the beta for 2010 and so far no-go.

The E-Mails (as text files) do open just fine in Word, and are much more readable that way rather than looking at the raw unformatted text that they originally came in.

Doe anyone else here know more than I do in recovering or importing text files into E-Mail?

482 471 "Anyone in a technical venture who wants to get any investors better develop this talent pretty quickly.  You need to be able to do the full tech dump on people who can understand, yet give the other 99% of the population a sense that you do know what you're talking about."

Conversely anyone who wants a govt grant needs to make the request so completely vague and incoherent that is sounds really important to a bureaucrat/politician

483

Phil Jones expresses concern about hacked emails, deletion of emails, and why the hell the whole database wasn't disappeared a long time ago like he ordered.

484 Briffa's has yet to explain how he chose his data points or his data sets.

Obviously they were chosen based on ability to generate income, papers, and grant money.

485 Is there any difference between Creationists and Man Made Global Warming believers? Other than a belief in God they seem pretty much the same to me. Start out with a premise, God created the Earth or Man is causing the Earth to heat up, and then cherry pick "evidence" that supports your beliefs. Global Warming tru believers do not even mention temperature during the Middle Ages or try to look for the cause of the Ice Age. Nope no sir lets just talk about the last 100 years of human history.

486 This also reinforces my belief that career environmentalists don't give a crap about the environment at all. If they cared about the environment then hiding good news about it would be like hiding the fact that you're team beat there #1 rivals at the Super Bowl.

So their motivation wasn't helping mother earth. Then what was it? Influence? Money? Control? No different than that of the "corporate fat cats" they keep attacking. The fat cats make their money by giving people jobs and adding value to the economy. These asshats create nothing but fear and slavery.

487 You need to be able to do the full tech dump on people who can understand, yet give the other 99% of the population a sense that you do know what you're talking about.

My little brother has that gift.  Although he can make it so simple that I feel stupid for asking the question.  As an example, he's a signal processing guru (radar, optics and the like) and I asked him how it is that radio waves, or radar, propagate off the antenae.  He paused about 5 seconds, and pointed at the lightbulb in the room.  Same thing, different wavelength.

I felt rather dense.

488 Mr Pink @485,
Creationists want their kids to be in a right relationship with God from the beginning by learning briefly that he created the world, and moving on to other things.  AGW-ists want your kids to learn their religion and want you to pay for it, and want to use the fact that they browbeat you into compliance as further proof of their righteousness.

Creationists suggests that those who voluntarily join a church probably out to consider supporting it through a tithe or whatever they feel comfortable with.  AGW-ists want to tax anything that uses energy, which is damn near everything, to fill their coffers in order to buy more votes in the future.

489 I'm checking my techie blogs that routinely post articles about the latest global warming "proof" and then lambaste anyone who hints that it might be a load of crap. They say that the other side has ulterior motives, ignores data and fudges the facts.

Yeah. None of them have a single word up about this story.

490 I'm probably the only $ contributing AoS moron who is also a UK based climate scientist. I'm going to get clobbered for this, but at that very least Ace can prove he is not as petty as CJ by not deleting my comment.

IMHO this is pretty thin gruel for a flaming skull. You have emails hacked -- illegally -- and then a cherry picked, out-of-context selection released and suddenly it's the greatest day since the invention of Valu-Rite vodka? Meh.

I write thousands of emails each year as part of my job. I try to be careful to take each public enquiry I receive seriously, but occasionally if I've had a bad day my attitude slips through. It is frustrating to me that a dude sitting in his easy chair in his mother's basement in Canada can ruin my whole day by requesting something via FOI, meaning I have to stay late and not see my kids (because FOI has to be squeezed in in addition to regular work). So if I refer to him as a jerk, it's not professional but it still may be true. I feel the same way about cranks who pester me, such as those who advocate human extinction to save the earth. I have to take them seriously, but it's hard.

That same standard does not apply to skeptic blogs and advocacy groups. If someone hacked their email, it would be a non-story to find out their opinions of Al Gore. Nor would it be a big deal if they chose to display graph A which supports their political position.

As for the "trick" referred to, I'll reserve judgment. It does seem pretty damning. But CRU is not the be-all and end-all of climate change. The last ten years have seen temperatures plateau, but they are still in the top 13 or so on record. If temperatures *fall* then it's a real story. If they go up, then we'll be back to skeptics claiming it's the sun, natural variability, etc - anything but a human factor. As is their right.

Ace I'm happy to prove to you I'm the real deal (i.e. where I work) and that I've been a supporter of this blog. I'd love to have a private conversation about this, if you are game.

491 Looks like the knuckleheads found a little nugget they can use confirm an ideology.

A few emails. My oh my. Doesn't take much.

492

So their motivation wasn't helping mother earth. Then what was it? Influence? Money? Control?

I've been wondering about that too.  Seems like a few bucks and a narcissitic, overly confident idea about political/religious views (read: socialism, marxism, whatever) wouldn't be enough to explain the scope of this fraud.  But maybe it is.

493 Mikhail, an admission against interest is the nuclear bomb of nuggets.

494

Methos I think the most hilarious part of that comparison is the fact that a 19 year old Mormon on a mission is alot more "green" pedaling around on his bike than any global warming believer.

495

A flaming bicycle would have been more appropriate for this thread.

496 and erg's got nuthin'

497

Just to be fair. I went over to LGF and read some of the comments. A number of them (maybe a third), were our kind of peoples. And they held up pretty well. But the rest were, as predicted, either pro AGW or hating the hackers.

Something to look at, even if you can't post.

498 491 Looks like the knuckleheads found a little nugget they can use confirm an ideology.

A few emails. My oh my. Doesn't take much.

Posted by: Mikhail Ivanovich Budyko at November 21, 2009 01:09 PM (RdKK

once again erg posts some complete nonsense.

499 So their motivation wasn't helping mother earth. Then what was it? Influence? Money? Control?

To "make a difference".  And they certainly have.

500
The idea that this isn't (further) proof of a sham is laughable.

For a Global Warmist, proof is a 3-day heatwave in the summer. Or it's a 50-degree day in December in Boston.

Or it's a rainstorm. Or it's a drought.

Or it's a leaf falling from a tree.

Or it's a fat kid on Oprah.

501 490 I'm probably the only $ contributing AoS moron who is also a UK based climate scientist. I'm going to get clobbered for this, but at that very least Ace can prove he is not as petty as CJ by not deleting my comment.

IMHO this is pretty thin gruel for a flaming skull. You have emails hacked -- illegally -- and then a cherry picked, out-of-context selection released and suddenly it's the greatest day since the invention of Valu-Rite vodka? Meh.

I write thousands of emails each year as part of my job. I try to be careful to take each public enquiry I receive seriously, but occasionally if I've had a bad day my attitude slips through. It is frustrating to me that a dude sitting in his easy chair in his mother's basement in Canada can ruin my whole day by requesting something via FOI, meaning I have to stay late and not see my kids (because FOI has to be squeezed in in addition to regular work). So if I refer to him as a jerk, it's not professional but it still may be true. I feel the same way about cranks who pester me, such as those who advocate human extinction to save the earth. I have to take them seriously, but it's hard.

That same standard does not apply to skeptic blogs and advocacy groups. If someone hacked their email, it would be a non-story to find out their opinions of Al Gore. Nor would it be a big deal if they chose to display graph A which supports their political position.

As for the "trick" referred to, I'll reserve judgment. It does seem pretty damning. But CRU is not the be-all and end-all of climate change. The last ten years have seen temperatures plateau, but they are still in the top 13 or so on record. If temperatures *fall* then it's a real story. If they go up, then we'll be back to skeptics claiming it's the sun, natural variability, etc - anything but a human factor. As is their right.

Ace I'm happy to prove to you I'm the real deal (i.e. where I work) and that I've been a supporter of this blog. I'd love to have a private conversation about this, if you are game.

Posted by: Climate Science moron at November 21, 2009 01:09 PM (KInzu)

CHERRY PICKED! Yeah, whatever. Hey, they could prove that cherry picked alligation of yours (that you provide no proof of) by releasing everything. Think they will do that?

502 IMHO this is pretty thin gruel for a flaming skull. You have emails hacked -- illegally -- and then a cherry picked, out-of-context selection released and suddenly it's the greatest day since the invention of Valu-Rite vodka? Meh.

Bullfuckingshit .

503 Is there any difference between Creationists and Man Made Global Warming believers

Yes. Creationists aren't trying to shovel their creationism down my throat or wrecking the economy with retarded policies based on phantom concerns like the AGW nutters.

504 I found it interesting that the "hackers" say that the released files are only a sampling of what they have.

Someone is learning from Breitbart.

505 Climate Science moron: >>I'm going to get clobbered for this,...<<

This part of your post is very accurate.

506

I first noticed this story Thurs. evening on Whatsupwiththat. There were many questions and cautions of the validity. I read many of the early posted e mails. The one that stood out for me was the mention of how they (the researchers) had to first convince the unwashed masses that this farce was real. It turned out to be an easy task. The MSM, the politicians and algore all drooled over the money they could make from this super madoff scam. The big question is will there be any major repercussions to the global warming climate change peddlers? I trully hope so but sadly I think not.

507 Mikhail, an admission against interest is the nuclear bomb of nuggets.

It's more than a simple admission against interest.

The discussions about how to avoid complying with FOI/FOIA requests makes it clear those involved knew they weren't doing science!

They knew their work couldn't stand up to scrutiny. They knew their work was flawed, and that enough people seeing what they claimed was its basis would expose that. Rather than work in the open, with the "come and prove me wrong" attitude that makes science work, they preferred to hide what they were doing, and refused to help people recreate -- or refute -- their work.

The coward erg can bleat all he want, but the people pushing the AGW crap knew the same thing the "deniers" knew -- that AGW is crap science.

508 Someone is learning from Breitbart.

Posted by: toby928 at November 21, 2009 01:17 PM (PD1tk)

Breitbart is my new hero. That guy has some old school big brass balls.

509 488,

If what you say is true, why do so many Creationists struggle mightily against the fact of Evolution?

The Theory of Evolution does not address the existence or non-existence of God. It explains what is so now and what was so in the past, and how living things change.

It is not Evolution's fault that some popular creation myths are contrary to fact.

510
[i]The last ten years have seen temperatures plateau, but they are still in the top 13 or so on record. If temperatures *fall* then it's a real story. If they go up, then we'll be back to skeptics claiming it's the sun, natural variability, etc - anything but a human factor.[/i]

Are you a dunce?

511

Climate Science moron

Do you understand the irony of using the term "cherry picked"?

512 "503 Is there any difference between Creationists and Man Made Global Warming believers

Yes. Creationists aren't trying to shovel their creationism down my throat or wrecking the economy with retarded policies based on phantom concerns like the AGW nutters.
Posted by: Johnny at November 21, 2009 01:16 PM (xVKXy)"

Thank you. I'm a Creationist and I'm not trying to change international law or destroy anyone's economy or even have kids at school taught that my belief is a fact. At most, Creationist just want schools to teach that there are competing theories to Darwinism.

I'm also not hiding data or preaching something that I don't believe in myself (as it appears that these scientist are doing).

513 Was it hacked?  Or was it simply downloaded from a public domain where it was mistakenly located?

514
Posted by: Climate Science moron at November 21, 2009 01:09 PM (KInzu)

We've reached a new level in Concern Troll, it would seem.

Hey, you know what would drive the leftist trash REALLY crazy?  An NCAA football thread.

515 Hey, you know what would drive the leftist trash REALLY crazy?  An NCAA football thread.

Posted by: Dang Straights at November 21, 2009 01:21 PM (djkiW)

better be some scantily clad cheerleaders or there's going to be hell to pay

516 How's this for fucking cherry picking?   It is distressing to read that American Stinker item. But Keith does seem to have got himself into a mess. As I pointed out in e-mails Yamal is insignificant. And you say that (contrary to what M&M say) Yamal is *not* used in MBH, etc. So these facts alone are enough to shoot down M&M is a few sentences (which surely is the only way to go - complex and wordy responses will be counter productive). But, more generally, (even if it *is* irrelevant)how does Keith explain the McIntyre plot that compares Yamal-12 with Yamal-all? And how does he explain the apparent "selection" of the less well-replicated chronology rather that the later (better replicated) chronology?

517 @497

I told Charles that he needed to adjust his meds. He don't let me post no more.

518

If these e-mails were hacked I gotta bridge you might be interested in.

Clearly a whistleblower.

 

519 So their motivation wasn't helping mother earth. Then what was it? Influence? Money? Control?

Like everything, a mix.

A large part was pushing their favorite ideology -- socialism -- salted with the chance to connect themselves with the powerful and wealthy. Look at the emails about how the "deniers" are backed by Big Oil and other corporate interests -- they're boilerplate leftwing cant.

Then there's all the discussion of conferences around the world -- you'd think people who honestly believe CO2 is a horrible threat to mankind would perhaps cut back on the jet travel -- and the discussions of getting money from this government or that corporation. And one of them out-and-out admits he'd prefer the AGW story to last until he retires. So add in the dimension of pure greed as well.

520 Posted by: Jim in San Diego: Doe anyone else here know more than I do in recovering or importing text files into E-Mail?


You don't want to do that. You want to use grep or some database tools to import that data into a database. Then you can query and arrange stuff however you wan't.

My guess this is already being done by more than one person. Perhaps even by hundreds of people.

Ask if you want more info about how to do this... though it would be much easier if you had some programming experience, and then you probably would't have asked.

How important is it that this stuff be organized like that?

This is the tool I would use: http://www.provue.com/

521 Gosh, seeing all those files and emails show up on my desktop is exciting.  I suspect a whole literature will build up over their contents over the next few days.

522

The last ten years have seen temperatures plateau, but they are still in the top 13 or so on record.

Oh? Record for whom, and where? China, the U.S.? And what type of a time-scale are you talking about? 50-100yrs? 1000yrs? And again, where? Temps are not universal, nor are the mean temps..Only as an average. And that's just statistics.

Sheesh...

 

523 Fuck you all. This story is pointless and proves nothing. These hacked emails are inadmissable in court.

524

IMHO this is pretty thin gruel for a flaming skull. You have emails hacked -- illegally -- and then a cherry picked, out-of-context selection released and suddenly it's the greatest day since the invention of Valu-Rite vodka? Meh.

It's an incredibly attractive religion, eh CSM?  On something this incredible hacked is not the issue.  But I'll not call you a fool, since you're a moron.  But "cherry picked"?  How is the quoting of incriminating evidence cherry picking?  Worse, how is it analogous to the cherry picked data that forms, say, the hockey stickk graph?  Since when is paying attention to a smoking gun bias?     

You see what you're doing?  You sound like a religous zealot, shrilly arguing indefensible issues of faith.  Sounds like you might be out on that AGM limb with others who have staked their careers as well.  But I won't claim that possibility to be a probability since I'm not a scientist, and, thus, I'm properly skeptical.  You see, non-scientists like me have no problem weighing evidence.

Have fun walking-back your AGM views.

525 High AOS Morons; I am a real American Climate Science Moron. Don't be fooled by foreign and phony climat swindler morons. I am the real thing and I say all the data used to show AGW is fake and fraudulent.

526
lol @ plateau

wow these believers are too much

Reminds me of how Democrats blast the Republicans for cutting the budget of social programs when in reality the budgets are not increased by 3% or 5% or however much the Democrats think they should go up in a year.

527

Hey! more cherry picking! Seems they like to fool around with financial budgets too, just so their benefactors don't get too suspicious!!

From: “Mick Kelly”
To: Nguyen Huu Ninh (cered@xxx)
Subject: NOAA funding
Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2003 14:17:15 +0000

—-boundary-LibPST-iamunique-1131694944_-_-
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=”utf-8″

Ninh
NOAA want to give us more money for the El Nino work with IGCN.
How much do we have left from the last budget? I reckon most has been spent but we need to show some left to cover the costs of the trip Roger didn’t make and also the fees/equipment/computer money we haven’t spent otherwise NOAA will be suspicious.

Politically this money may have to go through Simon’s institute but there overhead rate is high so maybe not!
Best wishes

Mick

528

Someone is learning from Breitbart.

Hehe.  Awesome!

529 Thank you, Real Climate Scientist Moron for helping us understand this complicated issue.

530

It is frustrating to me that a dude sitting in his easy chair in his mother's basement in Canada can ruin my whole day by requesting something via FOI, meaning I have to stay late and not see my kids (because FOI has to be squeezed in in addition to regular work).

I'll cut you some slack and assume that your condescending tone is meant to mimic the CRU gang and isn't your own view. But wouldn't most of the complaining along the lines of 'this asshole's ruined my weekend' (or 'ski vacation', he typed sarcastically) defence be a little more believable if you weren't caught colluding to denigrate that critic, hide information from him, and that the critic hadn't actually totally destroyed the Mann hockey stick?

BTW, do you believe the Mann hockey stick? And that the pine cone data wasn't rigged?

And how about telling us which UK climate science organization you work for? (I'll respect your desire for anonymity, as there are alot of personal reasons for not wanting to reveal your Ace moronship to superiors or co-workers.)

531

Actually it's the context that makes the emails damning. 

Powerline puts one small portion in context and it's incredibly damning.

 

532

If they cared about the environment then hiding good news about it would be like hiding the fact that you're team beat there #1 rivals at the Super Bowl.

I think they do care about the environment.  They believe that in lying that they are protecting mother earth.  The end justifies the means.

533 523 Fuck you all. This story is pointless and proves nothing. These hacked emails are inadmissable in court.

Posted by: Mandy Manners at November 21, 2009 01:29 PM (SqAkN)

Even stolen evidence can be admissible in court. The e mails could also bring an investigation into Al Gore's religious cult.

534 Mother Earth is a MILF.

535

If what you say is true, why do so many Creationists struggle mightily against the fact of Evolution?

It's a religious belief thing for us.  We believe evolution contradicts the existence and omnipotence of God.  If God is all-powerful, then why should intelligent design be a problem?  It's simply part of our religious doctrine.

536 For some reason I've got a geeky version of Cruel Intentions playing in my head... 

537 I think they do care about the environment. They believe that in lying that they are protecting mother earth. The end justifies the means.

Posted by: katya at November 21, 2009 01:38 PM (68o4u)

But if the science is bad and they know it, then they know that mother earth doesn't need protecting in this fashion. That's my point.

If you thought you had cancer then found out that the test results were wrong would you continue chemo? No. You'd tell everyone else that cared about you that everything was going to be okay and that instead of worrying about you having cancer they should try to help you get a job or something.

Are they trying to destroy the economies of rich Western countries? Why would they do that? It's easy to prove that rich Western countries take far, far better care of their environments than third world countries do.

No...I'd have to say that these people are no more motivated by love of environment than war protesters are by love of civilians or U.S. Military, or than Jesse Jackson is by wanting to lift black people out of poverty.

The environment is just a tool to be used by other tools to empower themselves.

538 534 Mother Earth is a MILF.

Posted by: Dick Cheney at November 21, 2009 01:43 PM (kKP5O)

And you are the only one with the equipment to service her.

539

Clearly a whistleblower.

I'm not techie enough to categorically state, but other comments I've read point out that the reasons for it not to be an illegal hacker at work are that it was an awful lot of data from an awful lot of sources to hack out; they didn't go to the cops immediately (I think their head said it had been known by them for four days before it was made public), and that it might not have been one of their people, but someone involved in the FOI bureaucracy pissed at their evasions.

540 #523, who the fuck is Mandy Manners and where does she get the balls to come over here (She from LGF?) and talk to us that way?

Bitch, get your ass back over to Lizard-land. Oh, and show tits or GTFO.

541 535,

So, alternatives to Evolution that happen to be convergent with your religious beliefs should or should not be taught in the Science classroom?

542 Bitch, get your ass back over to Lizard-land. Oh, and show tits or GTFO.

Posted by: SGT Dan at November 21, 2009 01:46 PM (ZP+gj)

"Mandy Manners" is an extremely good moron sockpuppet.

543 Over at Watts up with that, he has a link to a site that has placed a search engine on the file.  Simply type in a word, and it will take you to any email, or pdf containing that word. 

 I can think up a few: Type in Fake. Hide. Denialist. McIntyre. Monckton. Suspicious. Delete. Fraud. Criminal. Jail. Defunded. Busted.

544 It is frustrating to me that a dude sitting in his easy chair in his mother's basement in Canada can ruin my whole day by requesting something

The cure for these sorts of annoyances is really quite simple.  STOP TAKING PUBLIC MONEY.  When the public is paying you for work, and is legally entitled to see your results, you have an obligation to oblige them.

I think you've lost track of who your boss is.

545

What the fuck is a UK CLIMATE SCIENTIST? 

There is NO global warming.  The planet has not gotten warmer in a decade.

The NON-GLOBAL WARMING DECADE dovetails precisely with 2 anecdotal facts.  It conicides with Al "chicken little"  Gore squealing "the sky is falling".  And it coincides with the Bush Presidency.

Lastly UK climate fraud, whether the e-mails were obtained illegally or not is irrelevant vis a vis their existance.  Perry fucking Mason, you are not.

546 http://www.anelegantchaos.org/cru/

The search engine referred to in #543. 

547

I think they do care about the environment. They believe that in lying that they are protecting mother earth. The end justifies the means.

Posted by: katya at November 21, 2009 01:38 PM (68o4u)

But if the science is bad and they know it, then they know that mother earth doesn't need protecting in this fashion. That's my point.

I repeat: The end justifies the means.

Are they trying to destroy the economies of rich Western countries? Why would they do that?

Yes.  Because they believe man is a blight upon the planet.  If people die, then so be it.

548 Why is it necessary to employ Mike's Nature Trick in a work of science. Global Warming is a discredited mystery religion just like Darwinism.

549 johnson is just another stupid hippie.  Can't believe he gets the attention he does.  What a douchebag.

550

So, alternatives to Evolution that happen to be convergent with your religious beliefs should or should not be taught in the Science classroom?

My personal opinion is that they should all be taught.  As theories.  With supporting and refuting "evidence".

551 Are they trying to destroy the economies of rich Western countries? Why would they do that?

Google Maurice Strong / Rio Summit .

552 The word "trick" fed into the Rosetta Stone E-Mail Papers gets 70 hits. Tricks are such a crucial part of science. Pseudo-Science that is.

553 550,

I think you should look up the definition of scientific theory and see if such a thing should be taught alongside religious beliefs.

554 The word "trick" fed into the Rosetta Stone E-Mail Papers gets 70 hits. Tricks are such a crucial part of science. Pseudo-Science that is.

Meh. How many are references to turning tricks?

555 He's been bought by his gay lover Georgie Porgie Soro's.

Oy. Werk on yer fekkin grammar ye molting slod.

Posted by: Zombie Erik The Red at November 21, 2009 11:16 AM (aVQo/)

I believe the word you wanted is punctuation.

556 A few hundred emails, and this is all you've got, knuckleheads?

Look through those files as I've been doing. In context, the flaming skull messages do not insinuate fraud at all. The "trick" referred to is:

Equally important though is the levelling off of carbon
>> uptake in the later 20th century. This levelling is coincident with the
>> start of a density decline - we have a paper coming out in Nature
>> documenting the decline . In relative terms (i.e. by comparison with
>> increasing summer temperatures) the decline is represented in the ring
>> width and basal area data as a levelling off in the long-timescale inrease
>> ( which you only see when you process the data as we have). The density
>> data do not show the increase over and above what you expect from
>> temperature forcing.
>> I have been agonising for months that these results are not some
>> statistical artifact of the analysis method but we can't see how. For just
>> two species (spruce in the western U.S. Great Basin area and larch in
>> eastern Siberia) we can push the method far enough to get an indication of
>> much longer term growth changes ( from about 1400) and the results confirm
>> a late 20th century apparent fertilization! The method requires
>> standardizing (localized mean subtraction and standard deviation division)
>> by species/age band so we reconstruct relative (e.g. per cent change) only .
>> We have experimented with integrating the different signals in basal area
>> and density(after extracting intra ring ring width and density data where
>> available) within a 'flat mass' measure which shows a general late 20th
>> century  increase - but whether this incorporates a defensible relative
>> waiting on the different components (and what the relative carbon
>> components are) is debatable. We now need to make some horrible simplistic
>> assumptions about absolute carbon in these (relatively small) components of
>> the total biomass carbon pool and imlpications for terrestrial and total
>> carbon fluxes over the last few hundred years - and beyond! Without these
>> implications we will have difficulty convincing Nature that this work is
>> mega important.
>> There are problems with explaining and interpreting these data but they are
>> by far the best produced for assessing large scale carbon-cycle-relevant
>> vegetation changes - at least as regards well-dated continous trends. I
>> will send you a couple of Figures ( a tiny sample of the literally hundreds
>> we have) which illustrate some of this. I would appreciate your reaction.
>> Obviously this stuff is very hush hush till I get a couple of papers
>> written up on this. We are looking at a moisture sensive network of data at
>> the moment to see if any similar results are produced when
>> non-temperature-sensitive data are used. You would expect perhaps a greater
>> effect in such data if Co2 acts on the water use efficiency .
>> At 09:30 AM 11/3/97 -0700, you wrote:
>> >Dear Keith,
>> >
>> >Look at Tremblay et al. GRL 24, 2027-30 (1997) and Dyke et al. Arctic 50,
>> >1-16 (1997).  These papers deal with driftwood in the Arctic over the past
>> >9000 years.  They note that genera can be distinguished, but not species
>> >Hence, they can't say where the wood comes from, North America versus
>> >Europe.  Surely cross-dating could do this?  May be worth getting in touch
>> >with Dyke et al.
>> >
>> >Tom
>> >
>> --
>> Dr. Keith Briffa,

Nothing "hidden" knuckleheads. An acceptable admission how to present data that do not seem to affirm or controvert prevailing theory.

His choice of words are unfortunate, but are a smoking gun apropos of nothing but having lodged a bullet in the libido of the rightwing mind.

Keep digging, fuckers.

557 I found an E-Mail where the AGW fraudsters plot to hide information from FOIA through Intellectual Property Rights. The AGW fraudster states he will hide behind IPR agreements.

558

eman, I really didn't want to get into a discussion about evoution vs creationism.  My original point was a disagreement that creationists and AGW believers are the same people or the same kind of people or of the same mindset or whatever.  That, in fact, we are usually on opposite ends of the spectrum.

559  Do a search using briffa and decline. There are around 75 emails documenting the honest struggle among climatologists to accommodate the anomalies referred to by riffa in his Nature article.

It will be interesting to hear from the principals when they defend themselves against another onslaught of knucklehead denial. In particular, the reactions from peers reviewing the article wqill be decisive for sentient persons. But, by then, all the knuckleheads will have been distracted by the odor of !!Sarah's!! pussy.

560 We now need to make some horrible simplistic assumptions...Without these
implications we will have difficulty convincing Nature that this work is mega important.

Right.  Nothing to see here other than "horrible simplistic assumptions".  Just move along people, just move along.

To me, this sounds like a plan to try and "convince" Nature that work hinging on "simplistic assumptions" is somehow worthy of public attention, rather than needing a lot more work to make it NOT based on assumption.

Clue: real science isn't based on "assumption".  RELIGIONS are based on assumption.

561 558, OK, neither did I.

562

563 You're on cherry-pickin' muthfucka, purple:

There are problems with explaining and interpreting these data but they are
>> by far the best produced for assessing large scale carbon-cycle-relevant
>> vegetation changes

564 There is enough rope in these E-Mails to hang all of Al Gore's religious cult. This is a massive conspiracy to defraud the entire world. AGW like Darwinism is a religious cult masQueerading as science.

565 "accommodate the anomalies"

I like that one.

It will make a fine addition to my next research report or presentation to my colleagues.

566 why do so many Creationists struggle mightily against the fact of Evolution?

I think the word you're looking for is "theory."

567

It will be interesting to hear from the principals when they defend themselves against another onslaught of knucklehead denial.

WTF is "knucklehead denial"? The deniers are the ones trying to cover for the AGW industry's feet of clay.

It's simple: yhey were conspiring to avoid complying with FOI/FOIA requests. That means they knew their work would not stand up to scrutiny.  Real science demands that scrutiny, so they knew what they were doing was junk science.

568 566 why do so many Creationists struggle mightily against the fact of Evolution?

I think the word you're looking for is "homo death cult" FIFY.

569 AGW like Darwinism is a religious cult masQueerading as science.
Posted by: Flavius Julius

Homo egaster.

570 The theory of AGW began with a theory and set of assumptions.  Climatologists build computer models based on that theory and concluded that the earth was destined for catastrophic global warming.  Extreme political action was recommended to resolve the threat.  Unfortunately for AGW proponents, actual data did not support their hypothesis.  So they "circled the wagons" and fought to suppress the data in order to save their theory, their multi-million dollar research grants, and their political clout.  That in a nutshell is the story of the purloined emails and data.

571 You're on cherry-pickin' muthfucka, purple:

Pot. Kettle.

BANG!

572 Why do so many non-Creationists obsess so much that others choose to believe otherwise? Who's souls are they out to save?

573 566,

Not so.

574

Nothing "hidden" knuckleheads. An acceptable admission how to present data that do not seem to affirm or controvert prevailing theory.

His choice of words are unfortunate, but are a smoking gun apropos of nothing but having lodged a bullet in the libido of the rightwing mind.

Keep digging, fuckers.

Hey, if you say blue is yellow and you really really really believe it, blue is yellow.  Congratulations, subjectivist perception moron.

575 There are problems with explaining and interpreting these data

But we'll go with them ANYWAY, even though we don't understand what they really mean or imply, right?  This is nothing more than "faith based pseudo-science".

576 It is hilarious how the AGW charlatans try to pass off their religious beliefs as science.

577 572,

Do Biologists fight to stand up in Church and lecture the folks on human evolution?

578 More:


     Just a few comments here and then I'm done.

     Dear Ed and Mike and others,
     All of our attempts, so far, to estimate hemisphere-scale
     temperatures for the period around 1000 years ago are
     based on far fewer data than any of us would like. None
     of the datasets used so far has anything like the
     geographical distribution that experience with recent
     centuries indicates we need, and no-one has yet found a
     convincing way of validating the lower-frequency
     components of them against independent data. As Ed
     wrote, in the tree-ring records that form the backbone of
     most of the published estimates, the problem of poor
     replication near the beginnings of records is particularly
     acute, and ubiquitous. I would suggest that this problem
     probably cuts in closer to 1600 than 1400 in the several
     published series. Therefore, I accept that everything we
     are doing is preliminary, and should be treated with
     considerable caution.

     Therefore, I would guess that you would apply the word "perilous" to everyones'
     large-scale NH reconstructions covering the past 500-1000 years including those that you
     have been involved in. Why the sudden increase in caution now? It sounds very
     self-serving to me for you to call ECS "perilous" and not describe every other
     large-scale reconstruction in that way as well.

     I differ from Ed, and his co-authors,
     in believing that these problems have a special
     significance for the particular implementation of RCS
     they used, in the light of one of their conclusions that
     depends heavily on that implementation.
     As I understand what Ed, Keith and Hal Fritts have
     written at various times about RCS, and from my own
     limited experience with the method, it is extremely
     important to have strong replication, and I don't see 50-70
     samples probably from 25-35 trees as a big sample. For
     reference, most chronologies used in dendroclimatology
     are based on 10-40 trees, that is 20-80 samples at 2 cores
     per tree for a single "site", usually a few hectares.
     Here are two passages from Briffa et al., 1992:
     page 114, column 1, last paragraph, "For a chronology
     composed of the same number of samples, one would
     therefore expect a larger statistical uncertainty using this
     approach than in a chronology produced using
     standardization curves fitted to the data from individual
     trees...............The RCS method therefore requires greater
     chronology depth (i.e. greater sample replication) to
     provide the same level of confidence in its representation
     of the hypothetical "true" chronology." ECS mention this
     issue.

     As I said in my previous email, we hid nothing in terms of the uncertainty concerning
     the pre-1200 interval. Are you suggesting that we should not have even shown those
     results? If so, that is ridiculous.

     page 114, column 1, third paragraph, there is a discussion
     of the problems arising from applying RCS when pith age
     is not known, "In the ring-width data, the final
     standardization curve probably slightly underestimates
     the width of young trees and could therefore impart a
     small positive bias to the standardized ring-width indices
     for young rings in a number of series. However, this
     effect will be insignificant when the biased indices are
     realigned according to calendar growth years and
     averaged with many other series." The problem here is
     that this latter condition is not met (in my view), and the
     "small positive bias" that may be retained could turn out
     to be important to the most controversial conclusion of
     ECS (the Medieval question).

     I can't speak for Jan here, but most of the data he used came from Schweingruber's lab.
     I believe that pains were taken to estimate the pith offset and that Jan used this
     information in his RCS analyses. Jan would be best to comment here. In any case, Jan has
     done a number of experiments in which he has artificially added large pith offset errors
     into the RCS analysis and the resulting bias is small. So, I do not believe that your
     "view" is correct.

     I also suspect that Keith
     and colleagues underestimated both the size and
     variability of the loss of years at the beginning of records,
     but the point stands even if this is not so. So far as I can
     see, ECS do not mention this issue, at least in the context
     of a possible positive bias.

     Are you claiming that the only possible bias is positive? I can show you examples of a
     probable negative bias using RCS.

     The discussion of RCS in the
     supplementary materials seems to assume good
     replication.

     It was a generic description of the method. The replication is clearly shown in the
     supplementary materials section as well as in the main paper. If you don't like the
     replication, that is your opinion. I would love to have more replication as well. Who
     wouldn't. But we did show the uncertainties, which you seem to ignore in your criticism.
     Ironically, the ECS estimates of warmth in the MWP are not that dissimilar to those seen
     in MBH, as ECS Fig. 3 shows. Are the MBH estimates of MWP warmth also similarly biased?

579 No eman, in fact biologists and other scientists tend to be the first to admit that religion is something that science can't address.

It's the non-religious laymen that get so wee-wee'd up that some dare have a mind of their own.

580  Read through the rest of that email and argument preceding it.

Also, nothing so far as I can see, implicates an Epic Fail of theory--the argument is about data anomalies that would cause knuckleheads to disingenuously enter into the calculus of denial.

Read the emails.

581 Really, what so fucking hard about these people just saying "we really don't know what's going on here" when they hit situation like this?  

My experimental lab notes are full of "WTF?" kind of stuff when I observe a physical reality I can't yet explain or didn't expect at all.   In fact, most of our work and discoveries fall into the "WTF is this?" category. 

Yet, I feel no desire to get out my eraser and make believe the results of some experiment didn't happen simply because it might be convenient to do so.

582

Great summary of contents of hacked emails at bishophill.squarespace.com

583

It is hilarious how the AGW charlatans try to pass off their religious beliefs as science.

Speaking of which, I wrote this tangentially-related letter to one of the AGW clergy early this morning.  A "science" show last night pissed me off:

Chris McKay
Nasa Ames Research Center
 
Dear Chris:
 
I watched the show about terraforming Mars last night and was annoyed as soon as you opened your ignorant yapper.  You spoke as if a) global warming was settled science and b) as though there was no debate that it was anthropogenic.  I've never bought either idea, preferring instead to wait for clear, non-religion-influenced science.  But you, boy.  You went right out on that limb.  Fool. 
 
And how arrogant.  To think that we have enough skill to arrive at such a determination when we can't reliably predict the weather a few days in advance.  To elide over the insufficiency of information about the rate at which the oceans of the world and plant life can gobble-up CO2.  And, most importantly, to assume that we--as purely, awesomely great as we are--can actually have an effect on global temperatures that exceeds natural processes.  Fool.
 
So, how'd you get that job?  The government hires you based upon how stupid you are?  And then you get to spend your life jetting around the world on my dime "studying" different exotic climates?  As if the opinion of a faith-based, religious, pack-roaming, R-complex driven, cocktail-party-motivated, arrogant, reptilian asshole like yourself is more reliable than that of any person off the street with minimal science chops but who actually has an inkling and appreciation of proper scientific skepticism.  Fool.
 
Now, go jet off to another exotic locale while maundering about global warming in order to convince the powers that be that we need to keep you in the chips.  Fool.
 
Tell me more about how greenhouse gasses would transform the climate of Mars--whose atmosphere is 95% CO2.  Yeah, we'll add more greenhouse gasses.  That'll do it! 
 
Fool.  Keep your religion to yourself.

Yeah, I was in a bad mood.  I can't stand swaggering stupidity like that.  "Well, we've been 'terraforming' Earth for the last 150 years.  We already know how to change the climate of Mars."  Guess not, eh hosehead?
 

584 Yeah.

These scientists are conscientiously massaging data to reflect the warming that is going on.....that isn't going on.

They set the theory.  Gather data.  Massage the data to get their desired outcome, and show their astounding computer models that show warming.

Then the world goes and doesn't warm, even cools.

We aren't talking about putting out thermometers, measuring what they read, and factoring all that information.  We're talking about taking some temperature readings, some extrapolations of data, some guesses, some massages, some wild-ass guesses and some outright fiction.

Shake well.

If it don't come out, 'refine' your guesses.

Then present it in the most inflammatory way possible.

Of course, the Earth doesn't play along, and the models that you claim portend impending doom haven't even forecast the next few years,  much less the near-century you're claiming.

You're bullshitting.  And you're profiting by it.  And you're getting in deeper and deeper.

The models are shit.  It's time to admit it.

585 There is no "erasure"--only an argument about the rhetoric used in the discussion of findings. That's it.

But fit it all in to your bizarre metanarrative how you wish.

Happens all the time.

586 @582 , I linked it @502 .

587 the argument is about data anomalies

Data is never "anomalous".  Data simply is what it is.  It is either valid or bogus.  If the data is valid and your theory can't explain it, then your theory is by definition INCORRECT and needs modification.

You bend theories to fit data, not the other way around.

588 AGW Trolls:

This isn't the forum to debate the science; but this is a forum to identify the political perversion of the scientific method, the criminal conspiracy to conceal information and data, and the suppression of dissenting views.  Even if their science was gold plated, their other actions would condemn them. 

They sought to reduce the scope of legitimate peer review and attempts to repeat their "experiments"; if you are reduced to defending them on a website go get a communications or law degree.  If you want to argue about their science, please ask them for the suppressed code, detailed methodology, lab notes, and lost data before you start - you wouldn't want to look like a fool and misrepresent one of their positions.

589 Phil Jones encourages colleagues to delete information subject to FoI request.(1212063122)

Crime.

590 If what you say is true, why do so many Creationists struggle mightily against the fact of Evolution?

I see what you did there.  There are two concepts described commonly as evolution.  The fact of evolution as an ongoing process observable today is not in dispute.  The separate faith that it can be assumed to track backwards to mud is nothing more than a best guess based on the assumption that it is possible for all things to be explained in the absence of God.  The only reason you have been deluded into thinking that faith is also some kind of fact is the same thing that is at work in AGW.  Liberals have spent decades purging academics and the media of anyone not on board with their religion so that all you would see is folks who think like them and think that their beliefs are somehow legitimate and exhaustive. 

In answer to your question, we resist the presentation of the liberal religion's creation myth as indisputed fact because we value the eternal souls of our children too much to look the other way. 

I think you should look up the definition of scientific theory and see if such a thing should be taught alongside religious beliefs.

No, the guess/faith of the secular left is without merit and should not be taught at all.  And more than the history of NASCAR, great moments in the history of Oprah, or the tribulations of the characters of Twilight.  All of which may be interesting musings, but are not worth the taxpayers dollar in publicly funded education.  We're willing to give you equal time as a matter of compromise.

591 There is no "erasure"

Cherry picking advantageous data points rather than using all data points is erasure. 

592 Well, it appears you have a datum point or two controverting nothing. The emails bear witness to honest back-and-forth about the discussion of this or that datum.

But, it is unlikely honest for those of you who reject scientific method and theory for the "reality" of resurrection, eternal life, and midnight emissions coaxed by the hand of God.

593  There was nothing "erased" in the Nature article.

594 This was on the foxnews website last night as lead story for what seems to be a short period of time and now seems to have been removed.  Wonder why.

595 There was nothing "erased" in the Nature article.

Red Herring.  Get back on target.

596

Well, it appears you have a datum point or two controverting nothing. The emails bear witness to honest back-and-forth about the discussion of this or that datum.

The emails are evidence of conspiracy and fraud, half-wit.  Criminals discussing a crime are not "being honest."  Their honesty with each other is exculpatory.  Otherwise, start freeing criminals.

You're obvious.  Don't you get that?  You're a fool, stretching the tenuous beyond the breaking point--just like the religious fools of AGW.  In fact, I guess it's easy to understand from what you've written here that you would support AGM, indeed fight for it.  You selectively blind yourself.  You subjectively filter information.  You don't think about reality in an objective fashion.  You got your little emotions all tied up in it. 

What's it like to be a perception moron?

597 --"is not exculpatory," as it were.

598 The emails bear witness to honest back-and-forth about the discussion of this or that datum.

The science isn't quite "settled" if there's still disagreement.

599 There was no fraud. Read through the emails.

600 @594

It's up there now, under the imagelink of Al Gore.

601  Oh, c'mon, purple. Look at the knuckleheads here. They believe in "creationism,' for fuck's sake.

602 There was no fraud.

"Proof by repeated assertion" is not proof.

603 'Science' is anything that supports what I want.

604

There was no fraud. Read through the emails.

When are you going to grok that you see what you want to see?  I said evidence of fraud, fool.  See?  You're utterly mired in subectivity. 

605 "They believe in "creationism,' for fuck's sake."

and that really bugs you, doesn't it?

606 They believe in "creationism,' for fuck's sake.

Which relates to AGW in precisely what way?  Please be specific.

607 I think at the very least we have to decide that the climate change guys no longer can be given the benefit of the doubt by anyone, anywhere.

and some of the emails were erased, as several of them give evidence to. The order is given to expunge embarrassing emails, then some are said to have been wiped out. I know if you really want to believe AGW is true its painful, but read through this stuff before posting on it.

The fact is there's no "back and forth" here, its all on one side: lets make sure the data that hurts our position is either ignored, buried, or doctored out of our work. Zealots and activists make poor scientists.

608 599 There was no fraud. Read through the emails.

Obviously you have a reading problem, ergie, as your first e-mail supposedly showing what the "decline" is was talking about the tree cores while the highlighted e-mail in the post was talking about temperature.  Here's an explanation for "Mike's Nature trick" from Whattsupwith that:

"But there is an interesting twist here: grafting the thermometer onto a reconstruction is not actually the original “Mike’s Nature trick”! Mann did not fully graft the thermometer on a reconstruction, but he stopped the smoothed series in their end years. The trick is more sophisticated, and was uncovered by UC over here. (Note: Try not to click this link now, CA is overloaded. Can’t even get to it myself to mirror it. -A)

When smoothing these time series, the Team had a problem: actual reconstructions “diverge” from the instrumental series in the last part of 20th century. For instance, in the original hockey stick (ending 1980) the last 30-40 years of data points slightly downwards. In order to smooth those time series one needs to “pad” the series beyond the end time, and no matter what method one uses, this leads to a smoothed graph pointing downwards in the end whereas the smoothed instrumental series is pointing upwards — a divergence. So Mann’s solution was to use the instrumental record for padding, which changes the smoothed series to point upwards as clearly seen in UC’s figure (violet original, green without “Mike’s Nature trick”)."

609 There was no fraud. Read through the emails.

Depends on your point of view , no ? If there's no fraud , simple , release the codes and data sets so they can be verified .

610 Any data that supports what I want the conclusion to be is science. 

Any data that does not support what I want is un-data.

If the conclusion does not support what I want, more data that votes the way I want it to must be included until it agrees with what I want.  This is the way of science, so help me ACORN.

611 601  Oh, c'mon, purple. Look at the knuckleheads here. They believe in "creationism,' for fuck's sake.

Thanks for a "Poisoning the Well" Logical Fallacy, ergie.

612 The leap into the dissimulation of "fraud" isn't surprising coming from ace whose One Great Belief is some preternatural Free Market Land, threatened repeatedly by facts.

But for others of you claiming even tenuous contact with the sciences, the charge of "fraud" is an abomination.

613

Oh, c'mon, purple. Look at the knuckleheads here. They believe in "creationism,' for fuck's sake.

What does that tell you, Einstein?  Exactly.  Explain the significance of that.  Take your own sentence apart.  How many?  How does that taint any other view they've expressed?  How are you not simpleton, a bigot attacking the person rather than the argument.  What does it tell you about yourself that you would do that?

Never mind.  I've had this identical argument with subjectivist perception morons at least a thousand times since the mid-90's, and they all go the same way.  I could script the rest of it from here. 

In a nutshell, you'll keep switching issues as quickly as your arguments are shot down.  You believe you're "better than" and therefore entitled to act like Jell-O when people try to pin you to the wall.

Grow up, dipshit.

614

The leap into the dissimulation of "fraud" isn't surprising coming from ace whose One Great Belief is some preternatural Free Market Land, threatened repeatedly by facts.

QED.

615 Why are you guys arguing with erg?
Someone go wake Ace up so we can all find out where he works.

616 #612 Circumstantial Ad Hominem, ergie.

617

Hi all.  Sorry, I stand corrected.  They took the story off the front page and buried it in the SciTech page.  It strikes me that if this leak holds true and that theses fellows were cooking to books (as it were) then this really belongs on the front page.   Surely this is more newsworth then "Man guilty of scaring granny to death gets life in jail".

618 You know what's REALLY pissing erg off?  This is classic Alinsky tactics, biting his side on the ass:  "Make them live by their own standards."

The people who pound 'science' as the foundation of their secular religion are now forced to address one of their sacraments of that religion based on anything but 'science.'

Sweet.

619

What's your next immaterial point going to be?  I like unhealthy foods.  Maybe you can make some hay over that one.

I'll give you more of your brand of ammo if you want it.

I also like watching golf.  I hate Springsteen.  Spongebob is my favorite cartoon.

620 Just pointing out that the persons rejecting scientific method believe in spirits, Gods, hidden hand, and such.

Read the emails.

621 Just pointing out that the persons rejecting scientific method believe in spirits, Gods, hidden hand, and such. massaging the data until it reflects their secular AGW religion.

FIFY, ergie.

622

Just pointing out that the persons rejecting scientific method believe in spirits, Gods, hidden hand, and such.

And Spongebob.  Don't forget about that.  The Spongebob thing is very illuminating.

623  sacraments of that religion

Nothing, afaik, proves this "violation" you speak about,.

624 Read the fucking emails, nikless.

Nevermind.

625

Go tell yourself whatever you need to in order to feel good.  After all, reality is completely malleable.  It's what we say it is.  We know that from AGW "scientists."

What a nasty little self-congratulatory existence.

626 Sorry, ergie, the Holy Computer Models didn't see the cessation of warming.  Your Oracles are 20/200.

Of course, if you take the tree ring measurements and divide by five and multiply by the combined ERA of the American League, it makes the oh-so-scary Global Warming Hockey Stick In the Crease position that predicts WorldWide Devastation and the Ultimate Return of Gordy Howe.

Keep the Faith, erg.  With 'adjustments,' all things are possible.

627 This keeps up the MSM, and the President (yeah, redundancy has always been my problem) will notice and then where will we be?

628  Read the emails, dumbass.

629 399   Sorry to upset you guys, but....FOIA is simply not applicable here.  As mentioned above, that is US Law and does not apply to the Brits.  They may have an equivalent, but...

Posted by: Susan at November 21, 2009 11:02 AM (z6kg9)

There is indeed a British Freedom of Information Act of 2000.  I don't know a whole lot about it, though. Does anybody here know how it applies here?

630 Just pointing out that the persons rejecting scientific method believe in spirits, Gods, hidden hand, and such.

and people who deny God believe in scientific theories that have never been proven yet continuously we're told "it's settled science! we're just waiting for a missing link! damn it! why are we in such a huge minority! we're all insignificant! nothing matters! we're is my daddy?"

631

Read the emails.

click

Read the emails.

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Read the emails.

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632 Check the thermometer, ergie.  You're  a decade past the Apocalypse and you're desperately trying to recast horoscopes to show the world that, despite appearances, it ended last week.

633 Global dimming is a plausible explanation for "decline."

634 You know what the AGW people are like?  The Catholic Church, trying Galileo as a heretic because he tells them observable fact that belies their doctrine.

635 "In answer to your question, we resist the presentation of the liberal religion's creation myth as indisputed fact because we value the eternal souls of our children too much to look the other way.

I think you should look up the definition of scientific theory and see if such a thing should be taught alongside religious beliefs.

No, the guess/faith of the secular left is without merit and should not be taught at all. And more than the history of NASCAR, great moments in the history of Oprah, or the tribulations of the characters of Twilight. All of which may be interesting musings, but are not worth the taxpayers dollar in publicly funded education. We're willing to give you equal time as a matter of compromise."
Posted by: Methos


Methos, IMHO the Reward/Punishment system imbedded in your religion has an intractable grip on your mind.

636

Posted by: eman at November 21, 2009 03:26 PM (fUtqR)

is that all you got? some stupid remark about religion brainwashing?

637 Global dimming is a plausible explanation for "decline."

So the SUN is a factor?

And the SUN is not a constant?

But the only thing that could WARM the Earth is MAN?

You're skating onto thinner ice, erg.

638 well gotta go folks, damn it i don't post on here too much lately...

639 Pollution mitigates warming.

640 Why are all ya'll arguing with erg the stupid. He isn't even supposed to be here.

641 YRM,

Want more? Hit the library. Visit a museum. Go on a fossil dig.

Learn the science.

Be as ready to reject the Theory of Electromagnetism as you're are ready to reject the Theory of Evolution.

The stand on equally strong legs.

It's too bad for folks such as you that the people who invented your creation myth thousands of years ago guessed wrong.

642

Someone go wake Ace up so we can all find out where he works.

Erg works at the Meta-Barn, for all your repetitive meme needs.

643 So, erg, now you're arguing that MAN only mitigates the larger force of the SUN, which is unpredictable and uncontrollable and variable, but that a microscopic increase or decrease of a minor gas in the atmosphere is the fulcrum that will swing us to doom or salvation?

Your faith will save you, erg, I'm sure.

644 So, erg makes a fine point. We can cancel warming due to CO2 by eliminating the Clean Air Act.

645 i was gonna leave but i'll reply to this comment as my last one for now:

Posted by: eman at November 21, 2009 03:33 PM (fUtqR)

i have done all those things when i dabbled in atheism years ago and yet all i come up w. is :we're still looking for a missing link/; i find more evidence for a God then those things that claim there is none. and all you can do is take cheap shots about the "myth" i've come to believe in?

you sound like nothing but an ignornat fool who just walks around saying there is no god damn it! listen to me! why won't no one listen! i know i'll take stupid cheap shots and tell people to do what many have already done-look at the FALSE science!

i'm out

646  And the only reason you use this email is to defend unrestrained exploitation of resources benefiting accumulation among very few humans.

That's your religion.

647 Is that another new point, dummy?

648 Make no mistake, making the data show the results that they wanted is EXCACTLY what went on here. Based on what the "scientists" themselves wrote, this is obvious to anyone who does data analysis for a living. I do, by the way.

If these folks were honest. they would just come right out and admit what they have done. At a minimum, they would release their data and algorithms so that the results could be replicated. Replication is the sine qua non of verifying scientific research results. The fact that they have not done so seriously and negatively reflects on both their results and reputations.

Instead, they will come up with lies that, to the layman or true-believer, sounds plausible or fools those who don't care or want to be fooled.

Almost all religions (even my own) are based on faith. I just never figured that Climate Change would ever turn into a religion.

649 646  And the only reason you use this email is to defend unrestrained exploitation of resources benefiting accumulation among very few humans.

For one who claims to use logic and reason far more than anyone else on this blog, ergie, you sure do like to use the circumstantial ad hominem logical fallacy a lot.

650 Sorry, erg, but the consumption you decry is only an evil to those of your convicted faith, believing that Man's puny influence can set the planets ablaze (despite the fact that the forecasts of your Holy Men have come up empty no matter how they tweak their scriptures).  Your AGW faith comes to serve your socialist leanings, but it's just your Made-up Imaginary Friend.

651
There was no fraud. Read through the emails.

Wouldn't hang my hat at all on the emails there Sparky.  Along with the emails is alot of data and modeling code in the zip file.  It'll take a few weeks or months to analyze that.....but the truth about that data and climate models is going to come out..... your protestations to the contrary notwithstanding.

As to Sir Charles....... pony tails have been covering horse shit dispensing orifices for millions of years.

652 Hey, I think erg @ #646has admitted that AGW is about punishing the West for its advanced and beneficial lifestyle.  Thanks, erg!  That was the remaining piece of the puzzle!

653
Almost all religions (even my own) are based on faith. I just never figured that Climate Change would ever turn into a religion.
Posted by: Dan

I figured out it was a religion around a year ago and when you point it out, it falls on deaf ears. It is disturbing how one religion is ok and another isn't.

654 I am erg

655

Climate Change Creates Prostitutes

(No, not AGW scientists.)

656

So in other words, life really sucks right now for AGW proponents. In fact, I'd go so far to say that their entire raison d'etre is now in question.

Why else would frothing, crazed, libtard radicals be crawling out of the woodwork to attack people who dare question AGW and suggest that the Sun might, JUST MIGHT, have something to do with climate change?

I didn't think it was a religion either until these lunatics lost control of themselves and became wild-eyed, screeching cultists.

It's a good thing we can identify these freaks by their "Obama" and "Coexist" bumper stickers.

 

 

BTW, all you Al Gore sycophants, "Climate Change" is redundant. The very nature of climate is that it changes. Think about it for a minute.

 

657 Erg?  Don't quit now!  You've got me on the ropes!

658

from the search engine

 

I can see some logic in your method; I just think (strongly) that
it is wrong. At the very least, it will be confusing to the user.
If the user selects only GHG model patterns, then won't they wonder why
the global-mean temperature is inconsistent with MAGICC? To take an
extreme case, suppose the full dT is 2degC and the GHG-alone dT is 3degC.
Is it better to scale an approximate pattern (i.e., the GHG pattern) by
2degC or 3degC? In my view, GHG scaled by 2degC would be much closer to
GHG+SUL scaled by 2degC than GHG scaled by 3degC. Surely the real issue
(given that it is impossible to be entirely consistent in this case) is to
get a result that is as close to the 'right' result as possible. I feel
quite sure that scaling by column 6 is best on this basis---especially
given that the patterns are much more uncertain than the global-means. I
think this is absolutely beyond doubt.

659 erg pounding his little fists in anger is one of life's pleasures.

660 Mikhail Ivanovich Budyko

You went off topic onto the subject of free markets and the "The Hidden Hand" (?), by which I presume you mean the "Invisible Hand", a weird digression which is in itself revealing. What does climate change have to do with Adam Smith? (Such a digression lends creedence to the "watermelon" theory of AGW enthusiasts.) What does Adam Smith have to do with the "preternatural"? Smith's "The Wealth of Nations" is an enquiry into natural phenomena. His phrase "Invisible Hand" is a shorthand for seemingly intelligent emergent patterns of a crowd each member of which has an individual motivation. It is not literally a faith in an actual "Hidden[sic] Hand", you imbecile. Hayek, discussing the phenomenon, gives the example of a crowd leaving a stadium, which finds an optimal solution to the problem of emptying the stadium without central direction because individuals can take advantage of local information. A centrally directed effort would be less efficient than laissez-faire. That is what is meant by the "Hidden[sic] Hand" -- spontaneous order from chaos -- not God gently pushing the crowd towards the exits after the game is over. How big an idiot do you have to be to think that Smith and Hayek et al. were talking about an actual "Hidden[sic] Hand"?

661

I've got a great idea, 646:  let's restrain "expolitation" by stopping imports of  raw materials  from poor nations for five years, and let the inhabitants there die from starvation as their economies and lives go straight into the shitter.

THAT would take some of the load off the "environment", I assure you.

Oh and btw:   have you ever read Gunnar Myrdal , Franz Fanon , Paul Ehrlich or any of the other loons who said fifty years ago there was no hope for "The Third World"?  Funny, innit, how far India, China, the Pacific Rim nations, Brazil and Chile, fer instance, have come since then.  How did that happen?

Free clue:  not through socialism.

662 erg pounding his little fists in anger is one of life's pleasures.

Posted by: toby928 at November 21, 2009 04:26 PM (PD1tk)

erg comes from a long line of worthless fucks and permanent wards of the state, and he maintains the family tradition in fine fashion.

663 I'm not here to battle, just to advise slowing down before burning Phil Jones at the stake. I'd also think it would be wise to get CRU's side of the story (FWIW I don't work at CRU). It is a fact that only a selection of the emails were released - presumably the ones most likely to stir up the mob. It just seems like a set-up to me.

I got accused by "Boobie Watcher" of being religious about AGW. Ah, how I love the internet. Work and study your ass off, then get told by anonymous blog commenter called "Boobie Watcher" (LOL) that you are part of a cult. Seems to me that there's just as much of a case to be made that there's a lot of religious fervor here on the other side.

This - that my life and my work is being politicised and criticised, both by the skeptics and the enviro-wackos, has helped me decide that it's time to slide into a different branch of physics (one shot of Valu-rite to the first commenter with the "don't let the door hit your ass on the way out.").

Keep up the good work, Ace. I don't have to agree with everything you write to enjoy the blog. This is the first site I visit each morning.

664 Methos, IMHO the Reward/Punishment system imbedded in your religion has an intractable grip on your mind.

eman, if you want to wait until judgement day to find out there's something to that, that's your decision to make.  It's not unreasonable for decent people to do what they can to protect our kids from being drug into the depths with you.

Why exactly do you think your guess of evolution is worth teaching?  Of what value is it to anyone?

665

It is a fact that only a selection of the emails were released - presumably the ones most likely to stir up the mob.

Okay, so where are the rest of the e-mails that put the selected ones back in proper context?

666 It just seems like a set-up to me.

Explain your theory?  Who is being set up? How?

667

CSM: 

I got accused by "Boobie Watcher" of being religious about AGW. Ah, how I love the internet. Work and study your ass off, then get told by anonymous blog commenter called "Boobie Watcher" (LOL) that you are part of a cult.

The accusation?

You see what you're doing?  You sound like a religous zealot, shrilly arguing indefensible issues of faith.  Sounds like you might be out on that AGM limb with others who have staked their careers as well.  But I won't claim that possibility to be a probability since I'm not a scientist, and, thus, I'm properly skeptical.  You see, non-scientists like me have no problem weighing evidence.

CSM, apparently you didn't work and study hard enough to learn how to read objectively, like us non-scientists.

BTW, why did your parents name you "Climate Science Moron"?  I assume that's your name since you point out I'm anonymous (unlike you, of course).  Did they call you "Cli-Sci" for short?

668 It is sad that this AGW hoax is being falsely and wrongly compared to Evolution and the well founded Theory of Evolution by Natural Selection.

AGW and Evolution could not be more different. The same can be said about the folks that promote each one.

Posted by: eman at November 21, 2009 11:30 AM (R54la)

--AGW is more like "spontaneous generation."

669 Well, if it is a "setup", Jones et al, are in the perfect position to clear all this up in a jiffy.

I eagerly await their exculpatory explanations.

670

Want more? Hit the library. Visit a museum. Go on a fossil dig.

Learn the science.

Be as ready to reject the Theory of Electromagnetism as you're are ready to reject the Theory of Evolution.

The stand on equally strong legs.

It's too bad for folks such as you that the people who invented your creation myth thousands of years ago guessed wrong.

Posted by: eman at November 21, 2009 03:33 PM (fUtqR)

Please stop your high-horse, off-topic bullshit argument meant only to inflame people.

You're being a total Fuckwad, buddy.

All cultures have a "creation myth". It's one of the few cultural constants that Anthropology has identified.

You can argue that all of these myths are wrong based upon our 21st century data. And I can follow that argument.

But there is are larger questions, which have lead to "faith" for as long as humans have been humans.

For example:

Why (how) is there anything?

Why (how) did whatever there is come into existence?

Work it out from there, eman.

Tell us when you have the answer.

671 670, The Theory of Evolution has nothing to do with the creation of the Universe.

Your understanding of the flow in this thread is poor.

I reject any comparison between AGW and Evolution except that they are not at all alike.

Calling me names does not make you right and me wrong.

672 599 There was no fraud. Read through the emails.

Posted by: Mikhail Ivanovich Budyko at November 21, 2009 02:58 PM (RdKK

--Shut this damn parrot up, somebody please!

673 -Shut this damn parrot up, somebody please!

Considering he ran off in a huff, done.

674

I got accused by "Boobie Watcher" of being religious about AGW. Ah, how I love the internet. Work and study your ass off, then get told by anonymous blog commenter called "Boobie Watcher" (LOL) that you are part of a cult. Seems to me that there's just as much of a case to be made that there's a lot of religious fervor here on the other side.

You mean the same work and study for years that people have to go through to join the clergy, only to be told they are part of a cult?

The hypocrisy is stong in this one!

675 pony tails have been covering horse shit dispensing orifices for millions of years.

Posted by: fixerupper at November 21, 2009 03:47 PM (AlZQ+)

--That is by far the funniest thng I've read all day.

676 Work and study your ass off, then get told by anonymous blog commenter called "Boobie Watcher" (LOL) that you are part of a cult.

Is that the wahmbulance I hear?

If you're life's work is based on the unrepeatable, unverifiable, secret, efforts of a group that, when challenged to reveal their methods and data, reacts like vampires dropped into the Monterey Garlic Festival, then what you're doing may be more akin to religious study than science.

If you truly, truly believe in the scientific method, you should demand the AGW core researchers should release every scrap of data they have and cooperate with those who challenge their work.

You should also demand they be punished for their efforts to avoid complying with FOI requests.

677 There was no fraud. Read through the emails.

Yeah, keep telling yourself this, erg. Over and over again. While you're fucking the chicken.

678

One question, one point.

Question:
How long has this been going on and who else knows about this stuff – as in people we don’t see listed in these emails?

Point – I personally am going to be looking up the employer of each one of these guys and sending an email along asking EXACTLY what is being done regarding this kind of behavior. It may be pissing in the wind, but there’s always the chance these guys have bosses with a shred of integrity.

679 demand the AGW core researchers should release every scrap of data they have and cooperate with those who challenge their work.

There would be a bunch of fires of "suspicious origin", and "burglaries" where key equipment and backup media were taken if it ever came to that. 

680 That's a good point, Def.  Somone should re-cap the tick-tock on what's been going on and for how long.  Someone.  Maybe a cob logger.

681 Another thing - wondering if war is going to break out between the guys named as enemies in these emails and the people behind the fraud - because the 'enemies' I am sure have been fighting an uphill battle for years with mysterious losses of grant funding, denied papers, etc.

682 Methos, IMHO the Reward/Punishment system imbedded in your religion has an intractable grip on your mind.

Whether that's an accurate depiction of his position or not, does that make him wrong? Or incorrect? Because that's what matters, isn't it?

I got accused by "Boobie Watcher" of being religious about AGW

Your behavior and posts indicate that you are. Your inability to refute this point except by an ad hominem attack does not help your case.

And sadly, whether it is significant or not, those who strongly adhere to the theory of evolution as the proper manner to interpret ancient biological data use the same kinds of arguments and same dismissive contempt of their positions as AGW advocates. For what its worth.

683 It may be pissing in the wind, but there’s always the chance these guys have bosses with a shred of integrity.

It is pissing into the wind, until such time as the fallout directly threatens the lab directors jobs or funding. 

Its been my experience that lab directors are politicians first, scientists second.

This data dump is going to need another couple of months of "soak time" before anything conclusive can be drawn.  It "smells bad" now, but the people involved need to be given the opportunity to explain themselves (if they can), and other people need time to digest timelines and methods.

684 Powerline is all over this topic.  The ad banner on top of their page had a picture of a polar bear that was running out of ice.  Oh no!

685

610 Any data that supports what I want the conclusion to be is science. 

Any data that does not support what I want is un-data.

If the conclusion does not support what I want, more data that votes the way I want it to must be included until it agrees with what I want.  This is the way of science, so help me ACORN.

*************

Yep.  Every time I step onto an airplane I remind myself that all the so-called science , all the applied so-call science aka engineering that's gone into designing and building it, are just some bunch of fools' "privileged" conclusions based on data that agrees with their wants. 

Gravity??  Aerodynamics?  Metallurgy?  Avionics?? Ha haaah!!! I laugh at such bourgeois notions.

Theory, verifiable and reproducible experiments, data available for all to challenge, empirical evidence etc. have nothing to do with anything.

Yeah, that's it, erg.

/snark

686

I'm not here to battle, just to advise slowing down before burning Phil Jones at the stake. I'd also think it would be wise to get CRU's side of the story ~Climate Science moron

Some of the real scientists have been trying to get CRU's side of the story for years, that's why the real scientists, the ones CRU colluded to squeeze out of peer reviews and journal publications, filed the FOIA requests.  From the new e-mails that have been released, it is very clear that CRU doesn't want to give up it's "story" willingly.  What you seem to want is for them to give us more spin and fables. 

687 I can't help wondering if the "hacker" wasn't some scientist tar works there, with the integrity to "spill the beans.". I mean, what wouldactually motivate a typical hacker to post it all on some other site? How would he even know what he'd fine? I have a hunch the data will turn out to be quite damaging to GW Religionists.

688

Anyone besides me think that Mikhail sounds in person a lot like "The Talker" guy on those OOMA ads?

CSM:  you are cherry-picking yourself.  Please address the FOI issue, and the email Jones sent requesting every one to delete their AR4 messages to avoid having to release them. 

Explain the attempts to marginalize so many critics, ESPECIALLY those who slew Michale Mann , the Hockey Putz. 

Tell us what Jones got $22 million dollars in grants for.  What exactly did he do with all that money? 

689

The Theory of Evolution has nothing to do with the creation of the Universe.

Your understanding of the flow in this thread is poor.

I reject any comparison between AGW and Evolution except that they are not at all alike.

Calling me names does not make you right and me wrong.

Posted by: eman at November 21, 2009 05:46 PM (fUtqR)

You conveniently ignored my point that every culture has a creation myth -- which, BTW, includes the creation of life, not just the universe.

You're just droppin' turds in the punchbowl to piss people off. Look up the word faith. You may not agree with those who have faith in a higher power and that's fine by me, but you seem to detest them, which sucks.

And I believe in the theory of evolution and have not gone to church for over 30 years.

There is a direct comparison between the belief in the the theory of AGW, the theory of creationism and the theory of evolution.

It's called dogmatism. Look it up.

690

620 Just pointing out that the persons rejecting scientific method believe in spirits, Gods, hidden hand, and such.

Read the emails.

************************
Just pointing out that persons purportedly embracing the scientific method believe in  Feng Shui, acupuncture, homeopathy, chiropratic, auras, Pyramid Power, organic food,  and a whole bunch of other New Age nostrums.

Just pointing out that the same people who claim to embrace Darwinism also claim to believe in "improving" human nature via social change, which is about as nakedly Lamarckian as one can get.

Just pointing out that the same people who claim to embrace Darwinism also have promoted eugenics,  in efforts to "engineer" more people with traits congenial to them  (cf Margaret Sanger speaking to the KKK about limiting black births).

Take yer bullhockey stick down the hall, Mikhail.

 

 

 

691 Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain!

692 Posted by: Christopher taylor at November 21, 2009 06:54 PM (PQY7w)

amen to that, that's why when i hear atheists rant about how they don't buy the Global Warming BS i look at them and think "this coming from the guy who believes the evolution and atheist BS?" both sides are the same in their hypocrisy, tactics, and refusal to hear criticism, eman & people like AllahPundit are just as big tools as Man-made Global Warming believers

693 I advise any of you AGW trolls who still buy that cult's bullshit to read some Karl Popper.

WARNING: It might turn you into a non-liberal.

694

Tinian,  the theory of evolution isn't "the theory of the origin of life", but what followed AFTER life was created. 

IOW Darwin didn't speculate on life's origins, only on species' origins.

Hence the title of his book.  "On the Origin of Species by Natural Selection...."

And it's not "just a theory".   The "theory" is HOW evolution operates, not a speculation on whether evolution happens.

We've got 150 frackin years of evidence to back up that theory, and great gobs of applied science (microbiology, pharmaceuticals, plant and animal genetics) that could not exist without application of its ideas.

SOME "MYTH"!!!!

695 Uh oh, why is it looking like LGF here?

Focus . . . eyes on the ball . . . AGW is the baloney under discussion here, and nothing else.

696 YRM 692, so basically you want everyone who accepts the modern biological synthesis not to support you when you go off against AGW.

Way to expand that tent of yours.

Anyway, as to creationism, the problem with that is that it's a metaphysical question. If findings hit an X that current theory doesn't explain, the scientist / "evolutionist" will try to come up with another theory. Your answer is just to say "God did it". That's not science; it'll never be science, no matter how you dress it up.

But you already knew that.

I figure you're just trolling for insults so that you can point to it as an example of how scientists aren't living up to their own book of rules. Try this on for size - you're an Alinskyite. (And not very bright.)

697 I can't help wondering if the "hacker" wasn't some scientist tar works there, with the integrity to "spill the beans.".

I think that's more likely than someone just hacking the system. It was probably either someone inside tired of the idiocy and corruption of science or someone who wanted to get their data and kept being stonewalled, and finally couldn't take it any longer.

In any case, I think there's a lot more science that works this way than scientists want to admit and people are aware of. We have our conclusion, the data which is problematic should just be pushed aside or ignored, downplayed, or deleted.

698

Anyway, as to creationism, the problem with that is that it's a metaphysical question. If findings hit an X that current theory doesn't explain, the scientist / "evolutionist" will try to come up with another theory. Your answer is just to say "God did it". That's not science; it'll never be science, no matter how you dress it up.

Yawn.

Oh fer God's sakes.

Discovery, this is all yours...

 

699

There is no global warming.  The globe has not gotten warmer in any year since Al Gore left the VP JOB.  The globe did not get warmer during the entire Bush admin.  During those EXACT years, Al Gore got filthy rich by lying.

On the other hand, can any of you LIBTARDS explain how evolution creatred a BIG BANG?  I mean what did the BIG BANG EVOLVE FROM;.

700 700 bitches!!

701 695 Uh oh, why is it looking like LGF here?

Focus . . . eyes on the ball . . . AGW is the baloney under discussion here, and nothing else.

All us banned had to go somewhere. Us creationist got banned for being creationists, all the rest must be white supremacists or something.

Honestly, I just wanted to make comment #700

702 Curses!

If it weren't for you meddling kids!

703

Note to any moderators reading the thread: Climate Audit has set up a mirror site as the increased traffic shut down the "real" site. Here it is with the first postings including an item on UK whistleblower legislation.

704 Well, well, turns out there is proof of Anthropometric Global Warming.  Turns out it's all in the models and 'research data', and not in  the real world.

and just in time to kill cap and trade?  Wishing for a Merry Christmas!

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Crime.

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Even if the rest of it can be explained away as poor choice of words and general assholery, you don't screw around with FOIA requests like that.

These are the same people who played the my dog ate my homework card in response to requests for the original data they were using.

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i was replying to comments made by others, so before you go around acussing me of such things know how the fuck it all started dipshit

i defended my belief, get used to it, i don't get pissed off when a leftie defends himself or an atheist as well, i only have passionate disagreement but i don't get pissed at the idea they think diff. therefore i felt a need to reply and get my point of view out there

i dabbled in atheism some years back, so before you accuse me of some stereotypical "oh he just says God did it all" crap, you should know that i have looked for evidence against God only to find how weak it is. I too looked at Manmade Global Warming & tried to find evidence for it, couldn't find it.

There is plenty scientific studies & thought out there of a "creatonists" view, but they're shut down by people app. like you who are offended that we don't buy the theory that has yet to be proven yet we're told it's settled science and to shut up.

i;m not trollling for insults, i'm defending my passionate belief that Manamde Golbal Warming is as silly as atheism, suck it up. i'm no tool like you

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atheists started taking pot shots, we had to defend ourselves

to be frank, i was the first to make a God/atheism type comment but it was more meant as a shot at the scientists

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As for the Hadley CRU crew, well this is precious and priceless. Of course, as with the Rockefeller Senate Memo of 2003 which gave us treasonous democraps' politicization of intelligence to win back Congress and the WH no matter what might happen to our national security or the two wars we were fighting, the rapid leftwing media will portray this as a criminal breach of security, and will tend to ignore the criminal fraudulent acts of the scientists who perpetrated the greatest scientific hoax of the 20th - 21st century-AGW/climate change.
I am glad that I am alive to see what I always suspected to be the case. It also does a heart good that the little marxist servers in the old Soviet Union, which concocted AGW to bring down western capitalist systems (or more particularly the USA), became the host sites for the docs which may bring down the global warming baloney hoax of the millenium.
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