Ben Nelson Announces He'll Vote To Debate Health Care Bill

Disappointing but not in the least bit surprising.

Mr. Nelson (D., Neb.) had withheld his intentions on the test vote, saying he wanted to review the bill before deciding whether to support the procedural motion to allow debate on the bill to begin. But he made clear in recent days he did not consider a vote to allow debate on the bill to be equivalent to supporting the bill itself.
Mr. Nelson reiterated Friday that he had not yet committed to supporting health-care legislation in a final vote.
...Mr. Nelson was one of three centrist Democrats, along with Sens. Mary Landrieu (D., La.) and Blanche Lincoln (D., Ark.) who had not yet announced how they would vote on the procedural motion. Ms. Landrieu and Ms. Lincoln, whose votes would likely be needed for Democrats to reach a 60-vote threshold to advance the bill, still have not announced whether they would support the motion.

Landrieu got her $100 million but it's not clear if that was for just this vote or if it also gets her cloture vote later. Lincoln, as Ace pointed out yesterday, is in real danger for any show of support for this.

Of course, the Maine gals haven't been heard from lately. They are usually good for a surprise or two.

Keep in mind, this vote tomorrow is only the vote to start debate. It's not the cloture vote to end debate and move to final passage. It would be very unusual and unlikely that we'd win at this point in the process.

A defeat here would mean Senators didn't even want to try and 'improve' the bill. Now we all know it's not improvable but these moderates need to be seen as giving the President's top priority a shot.

Also, any 'improvement' is just as likely to cost a vote or two on the back end anyway, so Reid needs to keep a tight leash on this. Given that, they still have to figure out how to deal with Lieberman's vow to vote no on cloture if there's still a public option.

It would be nice to kill it here but it's not the end of the road. Still, there are only so many spots left and we kind of have to win at some point. So, if you live in Louisiana or Arkansas, get calling!

Posted by: DrewM. at 02:39 PM

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1 Been calling but had a busy signal since 8am.. So I guess that's at least a good thing.

Posted by: brainpimp at November 20, 2009 02:42 PM (fHP/A)

2
Bens lookin' to get a piece of the pork just like Landreiu did.

Posted by: Blazer at November 20, 2009 02:43 PM (+FzLa)

3 Busy? I used to just take the phone off the hook when the creditors were bugging me.

Posted by: Papa Ray at November 20, 2009 02:43 PM (JpVJn)

4 History. Yes, for Senator Snowe. What? H-I-S-T-O-R-Y. Well, I'm from everywhere. Ubiquitous. Hello?

Posted by: joncelli at November 20, 2009 02:43 PM (RD7QR)

5

Ohhhhhhhh Olympia, can you hear me calling baby ?

Posted by: History at November 20, 2009 02:44 PM (+FzLa)

6 Are you forgetting the nuclear option to end debate? Doesn't that require them to only have 51 votes?

Posted by: GMan at November 20, 2009 02:45 PM (sxq57)

7 Why bother to "debate" when they won't even read the bill before they vote for it?

Posted by: Mr. Pink at November 20, 2009 02:46 PM (SqAkN)

8 "But he made clear in recent days he did not consider a vote to allow debate on the bill to be equivalent to supporting the bill itself."

Bullcrap.

Anything that pushes this to where a nuclear option can be applied is an "I'm for the bill" position. Nelson and other Blue Dogs in Name Only need the cover. Reid and Pelosi will give it to them as long as they get this monstrosity passed. They will get this passed I'm afraid. This is probably the last major legislation they'll get this session and next, and the Left cannot afford to lose this opportunity to fundamentally redefine our nation.

Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at November 20, 2009 02:48 PM (3nPNg)

But he (Ben Nelson) made clear in recent days he did not consider a vote to allow debate on the bill to be equivalent to supporting the bill itself.

Ah, the figleaf for the cowardly. How many of these mouth-breathers will vote to end debate, but vote no on the bill and say "Well, we did vote against it!"?

One thing we do have going for us though is that Reid isn't as tactially competent as Pelosi is, although I gather it's easier to pull those kind of tricks in the House vs the Senate.

Posted by: Kratos (on the back of Gaia, scaling Mt Olympus) at November 20, 2009 02:49 PM (9hSKh)

10 Well they will still need ALL of the Dems and at least one traitor Repub to get the 60 unless they wheel in sheets from the hospital.

Me thinks they have it or land-deal wouldn't be scheduling a vote.

Posted by: Vic at November 20, 2009 02:51 PM (CDUiN)

This monstrosity will pass. They don't give a flying fig if we want it, it's gonna get shoved down our throats.

God, I'm so depressed.

Posted by: Jewells at November 20, 2009 02:53 PM (l/N7H)

12 Why are there Dem Senators from places like Nebraska?

Perhaps one of these days the GOP will take time out from expending vast effort and money to elect squishes like Chafee, Jeffords, Specter etc in the north-east, and expend just a little effort into trying to win seats in solid Republican places like Nebraska, Montana, and North Dakota.

Posted by: flenser at November 20, 2009 02:56 PM (H/yko)

It would be very unusual and unlikely that we'd win at this point in the process.

Rush mentioned on his show today that the RNCC (I think) put out something today saying that about 97% of the bills that pass the "begin-debate" vote become law. So, if Reid does get his 60 votes, and he probably will, there's only a 3% chance that the final bill will fail on the floor of the Senate.

Alas, in the end, there will be only chaos.

Posted by: Kratos (on the back of Gaia, scaling Mt Olympus) at November 20, 2009 02:59 PM (9hSKh)

14 I just emailed my both of my Senators this:

Sen. Bingaman, Udall,

I would encourage you to hold out your vote on the pending health care legislation until you get a sweetheart deal for the state of NM like Sen. Landrieu did for Louisiana. If you are going to vote for this bill that will accelerate the insolvency of the US government, we should at least get some money before we go belly up.

Seriously, we are facing an unfunded mandate of close to $60 trillion for Medicare, Medicaid and SS. I don't know how you can even consider this legislation (even with its spurious $500 billion of "savings" through gutting Medicare) with this pending catastrophe looming.

I guess you'll be retired by the point the system falls apart so you don't worry about it.

Enjoy your cushy Congressional pension while the rest of us slave away to pay back the money we owe to the Chinese and Japanese.

Sincerely

Posted by: rockhead at November 20, 2009 03:03 PM (RykTt)

I'm having trouble getting my head around just how badly our country is fucked if this passes.

It'll be the begining of the end.

And all so a bunch of assholes with white guilt could feel good about themselves.

Our kids should just rise up now and kill us, Children of the Corn style.

Posted by: Warden at November 20, 2009 03:03 PM (QoR4a)

16 Thanksgiving and Christmas family get-togethers should be loads of fun this year with half my husbands family die hard liberals. I will not be holding my tongue any longer around them.

Posted by: Jewells at November 20, 2009 03:08 PM (l/N7H)

17 I grew up in Nebraska and from their I developed my morals and my value systems. For the life of me I can't understand how the good people of that state can now support the likes of Ben Nelson and his party's socialist healthcare manifesto. Times have changed for the worse.

Posted by: rplat at November 20, 2009 03:08 PM (G1ArL)

18 Sorry for the OT but this bugs the shit out of me.

A North Bergen man pleaded guilty today to sexually assaulting his 10-year-old niece, a girl who was in the process of recovering form being molested by another man when she was much younger, officials said.

Manuel Quiroz, 30, faces seven years in prison after pleading guilty this morning to aggravated sexual assault. Under the terms of the plea deal, he has to serve nearly six years before becoming eligible for parole.

The Honduran native, who is in this county illegally, would likely face deportation after his release, Assistant Hudson County Prosecutor Stephen Dill said.

I know Hudson County, NJ. I'd say about 50% of its population is made up of illegals. And that's a conservative estimate.

Posted by: flenser at November 20, 2009 03:16 PM (H/yko)

19 It'll be the begining of the end.

Don't be pessimistic. It's the middle of the end.

Posted by: oblig. at November 20, 2009 03:20 PM (aK/MY)

20 I already shot an email at senator lincoln today. Any other Arkansans should do so and tell her that her failure to represent her representatives will guarantee our failure to elect her over Gilbert Baker.

Posted by: MANstreammedia at November 20, 2009 03:21 PM (5q/vg)

Sorry for the OT but this bugs the shit out of me.

That poor little girl. Words can't even describe the hell she's going through.

Posted by: Jewells at November 20, 2009 03:22 PM (l/N7H)

My plan for Saturday:

8 a.m. -- get out of bed and feed the cat so she stops yelling

9 a.m. -- cartoons

12 p.m. -- lunch, NaNoWriMo work (it's a two chapter weekend, yay!)

3 p.m. -- make rolls to freeze for Thanksgiving

5 p.m. -- nice relaxing bubble bath

7 p.m. -- dinner

8 p.m. -- CSPAN, followed by celebratory boogie-down and/or wailing and gnashing of teeth

11 p.m. -- bed

Rinse, repeat.

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23 / Joanna:

My plan for the weekend (wife is out of town until Monday):

- Go to the Bar

- Drink until Tired

- Sleep until Thirsty

lather, rinse, repeat.

Posted by: Bernie Madoff at November 20, 2009 03:27 PM (s2bW4)

Madoff sock off !

Posted by: Huckleberry at November 20, 2009 03:28 PM (s2bW4)

25 It's pretty much over. Time to figure out how to survive Obamaworld.

Posted by: kansas at November 20, 2009 03:29 PM (mka2b)

26 Well, since we're in a time when the old rules don't seem to be applying anymore (Senators don't become President, radical Leftists don't become President, etc.), maybe the focus will need to be on challenging the notion that once an entitlement passes, it becomes untouchable.

If this thing passes, and the Republicans focus all of their campaign efforts on pledging to repeal whatever the Democrats pass re healthcare, and the voters respond to this by electing them, maybe we can actually kill one of these monsters after the fact.

The Democrats are pushing so hard now because they think that once it's done, it will be behind them forever. If the Republicans can challenge that notion, making it clear that it will never be "behind them", maybe it can still be stopped, even if they pass it.

I just don't want to roll over and play dead if these bullying bastards get their way.

Posted by: Kensington at November 20, 2009 03:42 PM (kSpSZ)

Time to figure out how to survive Obamaworld.

It's like Disneyworld, but with beans and misery instead of churros.

Posted by: Joanna at November 20, 2009 03:43 PM (gJQTg)

If 'ol Blank Stare Lincoln votes no- America wins!

If she votes yes- America loses, but Arkansas wins!

We get a new Senator in 2010!!

Posted by: Tres Nalgas at November 20, 2009 03:45 PM (pZr8v)

29 I emailed Webb and Warner that this is a chance to kill the bill -- and anyone who doesn't do what they can to kill a bill is in favor of it, period, paragraph, end of friggin story. Somebody ought to tell Nelson if he doesn't vote to kill something this bad when he can is de facto supporting the bill, and we won't be fooled by any spin he puts on it. Webb and Warner are hopeless, they think everyone will have forgotten about this by the time they are up for reelection.

Posted by: MaureenTheTemp at November 20, 2009 03:48 PM (8cihe)

12 Why are there Dem Senators from places like Nebraska?

First, Ben Nelson is the only elected statewide Dem from the state. So the Nebraska Dems get very fired up voting for him because he's all they got.

Second, Ben does take a lot of conservative positions. He's pro-gun and pro-life. His record as governor was better than a lot of Republican governors elsewhere, i.e., he actually cut taxes _and_ cut spending.

Third, he's a porker. He brings home the bacon.

Fourth, he's just a nice guy. He's not a snarling frothing moonbat. So he's easily able to spin Republican attacks on his record as "unfair" attacks on his character.

Fifth, Ben is like the Lindsey Graham for Democrats. He doesn't mind poking Harry Reid in the eye from time to time. So Republicans can appreciate that about him.

Sixth, to be honest, the Nebraska Republican bench is a little thin. The current R governor, Heineman, is charisma-challenged. The current attorney general is an ambitious guy but he's a bit too ambitious, making him seem more like a pure ideologue.

So, that's what I can say about Nebraska.

Posted by: chemjeff at November 20, 2009 03:50 PM (pTyL2)

31 Come 2012, Republicans need to hammer Neslon over the fucking head with this day in and day out. Regardless of whether it passes or not, ANY vote that gives forward progress to the govt. takeover of health care should be read as a vote for it generally.

Posted by: thirteen28 at November 20, 2009 03:51 PM (s8N54)

32 Called Lincoln's office. Told her aide if Lincoln voted yes I'd do everything possible to make sure she was defeated. Course, I plan on doing that anyway, but since teachers are normally hard core Dems it might make them worry they're losing even the teacher vote...

Posted by: Oil Field Trash at November 20, 2009 04:00 PM (7kmce)

Is Lieberman voting to start debate?

Posted by: Marybeth at November 20, 2009 04:03 PM (3niom)

34 And all so a bunch of assholes with white guilt could feel good about themselves.

Universal health care is compassionate, dammit, no matter how many people we have to kill to achieve it!

Posted by: Compassionate Liberal at November 20, 2009 04:13 PM (T0NGe)

35 The Louisiana Purchase 2009

Posted by: tmitsss at November 20, 2009 04:15 PM (V4Pya)

36 #33. When did he cave? Was the name change of "public option" to "something else" sufficient for him to cave?

Posted by: Winston at November 20, 2009 04:15 PM (FggW0)

Tactically, it is probably open the debate and keep watching the polls. If support for this bill continues to slide, then a senator can say to the leadership that the job was done, we opened debate and the support isn't there, this is suicidal. Continuing leadership pressure to support a tanking initiative is likely to irk more than help. The air then gets ripe for revolution.

Also, IIRC, this would have to be passed before the 2010 elections. A new congress means that this process would have to start over.

Posted by: Mikey NTH at November 20, 2009 04:36 PM (TUWci)

38 Why are there Dem Senators from places like Nebraska?

chemjeff left out "Omaha." Huge swaths of it are Detroit-like.

Posted by: HeatherRadish at November 20, 2009 04:38 PM (NtiET)

The percentage of bills that pass once introduced onto the Senate floor for debate is something like 96 percent.

So if we fail to keep this from debate tomorrow, we have a 4 percent chance of stopping this monstrosity.

And they're going to use the 50 percent level to pass it, not the full 60 votes normally used.

It stops tomorrow or we become slaves to cold-hearted socialists and Marxists who don't care if we live or die..or how.

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