1 What a lying c*ck.

Fire that man.

2 I think he meant, "I have no idea how we got away with this for so long".

3 I was late to the game in the other thread. 

A couple of things:

1.  When the leaks are validated, they need to be hung like a burning tire around the necks of every dickweed who ever pushed AGW.  They deserve merciless teasing and bullying at least until they remove themselves from public life.  The best outcome is they each cobain themselves a steaming hot cup of lead shot.

2.  The underlying enabler for this level of fraud is that government-funded research long ago turned the corner from being appropriation of scarce resources to address known problems to a guaranteed stream of money in search of problems to address.  This is a natural consequence of automatically carrying funding levels from year to year.

4 Science!

5 At least this confirms the email is real and not a plant. So the other stuff is likely real, too.

6 Who can tell what the guy meant, using such vague words as "hide" and "trick."

7 Can we all chip in and buy a billboard on Hollywood and Vine.

Dear Libtards and Celebtards

Shut up

8 Keep in mind that when Jones wrote that in 1999 we hadn't had a decade of global cooling yet.

He is likely talking about the "divergence" problem, where those supposedly accurate temperature proxies like tree-ring-widths suddenly started diverging from the actual temperature later in the 20th century.

Climateaudit has numerous posts on the subject, chronicling a horror show of evasion and obfuscation from these duplicitous lying f*cks.

It's disgusting that these people pretend to be engaged in science.

9 The oddest aspect of this whole global warming scam is that the data that the global warming fools love the most - the Vostok Ice Core temp estimates - shows the situation quite clearly (in geological terms), shows that CO2 lags climate, and that we are at a natural peak, for which localised (in geological time scales) climate variability is naturally high.  It also shows how the Earth looks to be heading into an unbelievable cooling period - insane cooling - over the next few thousand years.  For all of the early global warming debates I used to love to point people to the Vostok Core data.

10 5 At least this confirms the email is real and not a plant. So the other stuff is likely real, too.

Posted by: Bat Chain Puller at November 20, 2009 12:50 PM (SCcgT)

DOH!

11

6 Who can tell what the guy meant, using such vague words as "hide" and "trick."

We're still working out what the true meaning of "is" is.

12
Touch my Nobel and you're going to get whacked upside the head with a hockey stick graph

13 I admit to not being good with numbers, but what does proxy data going back thousands of years have to do with data from 1980 and later? Hmm?

14

Dr. Phil Jones is the same guy who when asked to get a copy of the raw data he used to show warming, responded with.

We have 25 or so years invested in the work. Why should I make the data available to you, when your aim is to try and find something wrong with it.

Science.

15 I think that "hide the decline" is fancy science talk for "the science is settled."  Of course you knuckledraggers don't understand it.

Which of you has a Nobel Prize anyway?

16

hide, hide isn't what it used to be. he musta meant an animal skin, but that wouldn't be PC , call peta now!

 

17 and by "fire the prosecutors" I meant "we must let justice run its course!"

18

14 AD,

you mean $cience

19 Dr. Jones blinded me with science!

20

I admit to not being good with numbers, but what does proxy data going back thousands of years have to do with data from 1980 and later? Hmm?

So, an epoch failure?

21

Re: 'The Decline'

The Mann, Bradley, Hughes 1998 paper purported to reproduce the global temperature curve for the millenium using a number of tree-ring composites as a proxy.  They refused to release their data or statistical protocol.

McKitrick and McIntyre(Climate Audit) managed to track down the bulk of the data and deconstruct the statistical procedure(sic).  They found the technique produced a hockey stick at the end regardless of the data input, even 'white noise' suffficed. 

The data to input, tree-ring widths, effectively ended with some of the series terminating in 1980.  After that date, current temperature measurements were intended to be appended in situ.

A telling criticism levelled was that this curve diverged from the temperatures being measured,  the reality was in decline in comparison with the 'model'.  The reconstruction worked too well, in a manner of speaking.

22 Keep in mind that when Jones wrote that in 1999 we hadn't had a decade of global cooling yet. So perhaps he was obscuring a decline in the warming trend?

So the question becomes....was this late 20th Century 'warming' EVER real?

23

It was code.  He clearly meant he wanted to play a little "hide-the-weiner".  With the concept of Truth.  And the gullible public.

Crow-meat futures must be soaring!  Mmmmm Mmmmm Mmmmm!

24

“That was an email from ten years ago. Can you remember the exact context of what you wrote ten years ago?”

I think he meant "content" instead of "context." Otherwise he's a brain dead, drooling fucktard of a hack. Or a liar. Or both.

25

Gabriel,

You need to include climate audit's post on this. It puts it into context and explains the real issue. Jones is not being accurate. I covered it on my blog

http://bit.ly/7EOtCN

26 It was getting a little hot in the other comments

Wocka wocka

27

"Keep in mind that when Jones wrote that in 1999 we hadn't had a decade of global cooling yet. So perhaps he was obscuring a decline in the warming trend?"

So they've been fudging the data for over ten years. No wonder they wouldn't post the computer models' code or raw data for peer review.

Somebody needs to tally up the total global cost of this hoax.

 

28 Understand that temperature data is always "adjusted", how and why, well that is not for the great unwashed to know.... maybe until now.  But you can see for yourself that the raw data prior to 1970 is always adjusted down, the data from after 1970 adjusted up so it appears we are warming much faster than the actual data says.  Here is a graph showing this.

29 They refused to release their data or statistical protocol.

That should get your grant revoked--and by revoked, I mean you have to repay every cent or be booked on fraud and theft charges--right there.

30 No time for love, Doctor Jones!

31 These frauds make the cold fusion guys look like pikers.  AGW has crippled national economies, and may still put a stake through ours.

32 OT but flaming skull worthy in my humble opinion.  In an effort to further appease the Iranians on the nuclear issue, Obama has gone to court to prevent the families of the 1983 Lebanon Marine Barracks bombing to execute their $2.65 billion judgment against Iran by seizing Iranian assets.

33 O/T but flaming skull: Gallup has finally followed every other poll and broken the glass floor:

Approve: 49%
Disapprove:44%

34 "That was an email from ten years ago. Can you remember the exact context of what you wrote ten years ago?"

IOW, "I've been making stuff up for so long, I have no idea which nuance I was perpetuating. Besides, there's context and then there's context-context. All these released files provide is merely context. So let's not speak of this unfortunate episode again and let's do combat the real enemy... hackers and global climate change."

35

e-mail?

never heard of it.

36 Fukkit. I got mine.

37

http://tiny.cc/iaTMH

Blinded me with Science!!!

38 You know what I've noticed? If you tell the truth and don't spin, you don't have a real hard time remembering what you probably said or would have done even if you don't remember the incident. It's when you lie that the circumstance occurs that you don't remember. Reality is funny that way.

39 If Obamacare tanks, the O-hole's new agenda will be "Global Charming"

40 This is a quote from the file "jones-foiathoughts." Keep in mind that the actual decision Jones ultimately makes is: He claimed the dog ate his freaking homework.

"Options appear to be:

Send them the data
Send them a subset removing station data from some of the countries who made us pay in the normals papers of Hulme et al. (1990s) and also any number that David can remember. This should also omit some other countries like (Australia, NZ, Canada, Antarctica). Also could extract some of the sources that Anders added in (31-38 source codes in J&M 2003). Also should remove many of the early stations that we coded up in the 1980s.
Send them the raw data as is, by reconstructing it from GHCN. How could this be done? Replace all stations where the WMO ID agrees with what is in GHCN. This would be the raw data, but it would annoy them.
"

Hi, our plan to respond to the FOIA is make sure it is the most irritating fashion possible. The actual response he used is "The data is, sadly, lost to history." Witness your first option you slimy non-scientist!

41
I want to see these Hadley jagoffs hanged from lightposts as much as (if not more than) the next guy. 

The quickest way to make that happen is to accuse anyone who ever spouted AGW nonsense of fraud, and they will throw these charlatans under the bus.  Then, these believers can be attacked for gullibility, stupidity, and poor judgment.

42 It was getting a little hot in the other comments (get it? getting hot? thanks, I'm here all week), so I'm putting this here.

I refuse to participate.

43 The cover-up is juicier than the fraud itself.

44 Me and Mrs.Jones
We got a thing goin'on
We both know that it's wrong
But it's much too strong
To let it go now

45

Everybody get ready!

The next line of BullShit coming down the Pike is........

Because the Mean Global Temperature is cooling, it proves that Carbon Based Global Climate Change is happending. They are going to try to prove that the Northern Hemisphere had a period of unusual warming, which in turn is causing a phenomenon in the oceans which actually makes the Earth's Surface and Mid-Atmosphere Temperature to Cool. (Refer to the movie "Day after Tomorrow")

Pretty soon they are going to get it figured out so that they can make the same argument without ever having to refer to Temperature data or CO2 data.

Anyone remember the early 70's when we everybody had a hissy-fit about Nuclear Power. Apparently the Earth judges the USoA, because we ended all of our Nuclear Power ambitions, and the rest of the world expanded theirs, and the LibTards didn't even raise eyebrow about it.

    

46

Plenty of NGO's used "Save the Planet!", "Stop Global Warming!" and (my favorite) "Save the Polar Bears!!!" to extract private contibutions from lefty dupes*. I wonder what the totals on these are.

It is to laugh.

 

* and lefty dupe politicians spending our tax money (which is not to laugh) 

47 I'm using green tea leaves for predicting future global temperatures!

48 Can you remember the exact context of what you wrote ten years ago?

Yep. "You, madam, are a worthless dimwit retardate. I would like to hit you in the neck with a cactus! Love, your son. P.S. - Can I borrow twenty bucks?" The reply: "I regret every agonizing hour of labor I went through to bring your ungrateful ass into the world, you worthless puke. I'm sending $20 in one envelope and strychnine in the other; that way, Darwin gets a fair shot. Love, Mom."

49 Hide the decline = Limp weenie.

50 they should make a Law & Order about this.

51 38 / Dagny: Yup, it takes a hellofave memory to be a good liar.

52 If you go back 1000 years that puts you smack in the middle of the medieval warming period (800-1300). Starting at 1000 he would see 300 years of steady maybe slightly cooling temps then a time of serious cooling until 1850 (nest 550 years). Since 1850 there has been a slight trend upwards until 1998. There has been no warming for 11 years. He was probably hiding the decline in the rise in temperatures because if their premise were correct increased carbon would have pushed the temp up at an increasingly steady rate.

53

Considering that trillions have been wasted on the global warming fraud, I wonder when the prosecutions are going to start.  And all of the government hacks who conspired with these pseudo-scientists need to be held to account, too.

This world is so ripe for RICO investigations all through the despicable left-o-sphere.

54 Someone should ask the journal Nature if they were aware of Mike's "trick."  As someone who has served as a peer reviewer for major scientific journals, I would lower the boom on any authors using the term "trick."

55 51 I've had people accuse me of saying things and I can always know with 100% accuracy if I ever said it or not because I never lie. If it's something I would have said, then ok, if not, no way. I don't even offer compliments unless I believe them. And yes, size matters. 

56 Seriously, is this fraud?

57 from the previous thread:

Prediction: The Global Warming scam keeps on truckin’, but a whole bunch of lefties suddenly become interested in the “ethics” surrounding the hacking of files.

But of course. It's the same old song we hear over and over again: when leaks that damage conservatives or conservative causes occur, the media attention is focused on whatever is in the content of the leaks. But when leaks damaging to liberals or liberal causes occur, the focus of the story will be on the impropriety or ethics of leaking, or how should leakers by punished.

All leaks are not equal.

58 ...it’s just about how you add on the last few years, because when you get proxy data you sample things like tree rings and ice cores, and they don’t always have the last few years. So one way is to add on the instrumental data for the last few years.”

Hmm. I think I recall McIntyre saying the AGW folks were doing this sort of thing and the AGW folks retorting that "no one would ever do anything that stupid". But I could be mistaken; wouldn't be the first time.

59 Dr. Phil Jones attacked by liberals as unstable in 5...4...3...2..

60 I have no idea what I meant when I said "I'll hide the evidence in my garage, OJ."

61 This new revelation has inspired me. Let the prosecutions of the guilty - Hannah Giles, James O'Keefe, and Andrew Breitbart - begin.

62 Al Gore says his hairy balls are hot as hell and we need to reduce are carbon output. 

63 I have no idea what I meant when I said "hey, wanna buy some crack?"

64 You know what I've noticed? If you tell the truth and don't spin, you don't have a real hard time remembering what you probably said or would have done even if you don't remember the incident. It's when you lie that the circumstance occurs that you don't remember. Reality is funny that way.

Posted by: Dagny at November 20, 2009 01:12 PM (8j/o5)

LOl. That's why I generally don't lie. Not because of any pretensions of nobility but mainly because I have such a piss poor memory.

65 57, that is exactly how it is playing out in the regular political e-mail thread i have that's split between 2 conservatives, 2 liberals and an "independent" (read: far left moonbat).

66 @58 you are completely correct. Michael Mann's response was "No reputable climatologist would ever do that!" In the tone of "That's crazy talk."

67

@55

Dagny,

Your damn skippy size matters. If I'm throwing a Summer Sausage into the Grand Canyon niether of us is gonna get there.

It is a two way street! 

68 Maybe a little off-topic, I was watching a program about how to terraform Mars. The show stated that carbon dioxide was not the most efficient way to create the greenhouse effect. The best compound was silicon-fluoride? (not sure about this but it was not CO2)

Which begs the question, IF you believe in AGW (and I don't) then how can we be sure it is carbon dioxide and not some obscure manufacturing process we could shut down with little change to our lifestyle.

69 @20: So, an epoch failure?

We see what you did there and we are not amused.

70 Data does not matter, global warming is a religion. You have to have faith.Put your faith in Gaia and her high preistess Al Gore.

71 69 @20: So, an epoch failure?

We see what you did there and we are not amused.

Oh that was a pun? I missed it.

72 My proxy data for the last few years consists of samplings from Al Gore's bathtub rings!

73 Posted by: time_t at November 20, 2009 01:30 PM 1258741828 (1OYcp)


FIFY.

74 the sun , earth, moon and stars respnded to CRU with," you're not the boss of me."

75 Ceci vient comme aucune surprise!

76 "You can’t disagree with global warming and call yourself a black man.”

77 That's why I generally don't lie. Not because of any pretensions of nobility but mainly because I have such a piss poor memory.

Posted by: LGoPs at November 20, 2009 01:27 PM (v/rEn)

Yeah, me too except I make an exception for my wife's question about whether a dress makes her look fat.  I can remember that shit.

78 76 "You can’t disagree with global warming and call yourself a black man.”

Posted by: Jessie Jackson at November 20, 2009 01:34 PM (kn+jW)

Pure Gold!!!

79 Sweet - I think I'll go throw another tire on the fire.

80 The crybabies at Real Climate are saddened because someone used hackery to get these files and that's illegal...and sharing the correspondence is illegal..."Leave our Climate Change Cult alone!" We're scientists, let's get back to being scientists. http://www.realclimate.org/index.php/archives/2009/11/the-cru-hack/#more-1853

81

it comes down to whether these e-mails are real, if they are real (it seems at this point they may be) then they will do their damage and we can use them with glee for months and years.

and it won't matter what excuses they make, we are already saying what most ppl believe, human desire to support what they already believe will be an ally as well as these e-mails.

82

@77,

WalrusRex,

It is not clear to me why women bother asking questions like that anymore. Is there really a dumbass out there that answers the question......

"Yes Honey.......Your Ass looks like a Race between two VolksWagon bugs racing down a gravel road."

83 56 Seriously, is this fraud?

Posted by: wHodat at November 20, 2009 01:23 PM (+sBB4)

Considering the money and productivity that this has cost many governments (with the wasted tens of billions in global warming research being the smallest part) this is one of the greatest frauds ever perpetrated on society.  It might even be worse than the CRA-social engineering induced monetary blowout ...

It's amazing that there are any lefties not in jail, frankly.  The fact that they have control of the country and are pushing one asinine plan after another ...

84

Yeah, me too except I make an exception for my wife's question about whether a dress makes her look fat.  I can remember that shit.

Posted by: WalrusRex at November 20, 2009 01:35 PM (xxgag)

ROTFLMAO. Yeah, me too. I lie like a rug when that question is asked.

85

Since the emails are real as confirmed by these lying douchebags, I will be the first to officially declare shenanigans.

SHENANIGANS!!!!

86 The e-mails are the interesting part for now, but the FORTRAN code could be the real scandal. A couple of the commenters on Watts Up With That said that they downloaded the original zip file and compiled the F77 code. That means that they can paw through the code or else simply run it and see what Mann et al. were up to.

87 what will the epa, state emmissions and such do?

The Supreme Court ruled on April 2, 2007 in Massachusetts v. Environmental Protection Agency that the EPA has the authority to regulate the emission of greenhouse gases in automobile emissions, stating that "greenhouse gases fit well within the Clean Air Act capacious definition of air pollutant." The court also stated that the EPA must regulate in this area unless it is able to provide a scientific reason for not doing so.^[26]

Jason K. Burnett, former EPA deputy associate administrator, told the United States Congress that an official from Vice President Dick Cheney's office censored congressional testimony by Julie L. Gerberding, director of the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention^[27] Reportedly, the testimony excluded said that "CDC considers climate change a serious public health concern."^[27]

 

88

 

56 Seriously, is this fraud?

Is my ass watertight?

89

79

We had "Bike to Work Day" here in Denver a few months ago, lots in our office were proud that we placed high in our class.

I got a few dirty looks when I joked that I burned a 5-gallon bucket of diesel in that backyard that day to make up for their sins.

90 @86:they downloaded the original zip file and compiled the F77 code.

Wheee!!

91 This is the reason we can't drill for our own oil in this country.

This is the reason that incandescent lightbulbs are being banned in some places.

This is the reason Cap'n'Trade actually got to the legislative point, on the cusp of becoming law and taking over huge portions of our lives and freedoms, not to mention the money.

This is the reason that Al Gore's worthless fat ass is worth a cool billion.

And it's all lies.

Damn right it's fraud, on a global scale.  Bigger than Oil for Food.

Now open up ANWR, fuck the windmills, and let's use the greenies for fertilizer.

92 the FORTRAN code could be the real scandal.

Heh heh!  I used to work (briefly, very briefly) with a guy whose every unit test was

printf("PASS");

Log files of test output looked really good, though!

93

FORTRAN... yeah, I remember that.

94

We had "Bike to Work Day" here in Denver a few months ago, lots in our office were proud that we placed high in our class.

I got a few dirty looks when I joked that I burned a 5-gallon bucket of diesel in that backyard that day to make up for their sins.

How did you light diesel?

95 @86:they downloaded the original zip file and compiled the F77 code.

Wheee!!

Posted by: 10 FORMAT( 6hWhee!! ) at November 20, 2009 01:43 PM (1OYcp)

Hi, and welcome to another episode of "Nerds:  The Hidden Manace".

96 Dr. Jones.  You're next.

97 The light bulb will be banned in 2012.

98 So, how much jail time are they looking at for fraudulently receiving government money to perpetuate this scam?

99 @93: Posted by: Kings Basic on a Tandy with cassette drive at November 20, 2009 01:44 PM (s2bW4)

<blink>*</blink>*

100 94: You can light a bucket of diesel with a rag on the edge, or some sawdust floating in it. Makes for good (but sooty) emergency heat. Don't use indoors or try it with gasoline of course.

101 @98, So, how much jail time are they gonna spend looking at  the Noble Prize for fraudulently receiving government money to perpetuate this scam advancing the global Communist cause?

FIFY

102

I would like to take a moment to thank Dr. John Daly, a true scientist, whose death is applauded in these emails, and Steve McIntyre, of climateaudit.org .  These are scientists.  They follow in the grand tradition of the finest fictional scientist of all time, Wonko the Sane.  Wonko, to remind himself to look at the world with the eyes of a child and to follow the data, wherever it leads, and the Sane, to reassure you that he is not in fact a wack-job.

103

Don't use indoors or try it with gasoline of course.

I prefer big buckets of magnesium ribbons.

104 SHENANIGANS!!!!

I'll get the brooms!

105 99: It beat the heck out of those stacks of punchcards though. Remember when computers were keep in glass-windowed rooms and tended by guys in labcoats?

106 Every time I ever hear anything on Antonio Stradivarius that brings up what wood he used for his violins they always bring up some mini ice age that happened in europe near the tail end of the dark ages. Every time I hear that I always wonder who the libs would blame for that one,

107 @94 Flavius Julius

How did you light diesel?

Anhydrous ammonia?

108 If Global Warming actually happened it would be good news. Colder climates have much unused land that could be used for agriculture, and I could wear shorts more.

109 103: Cowabunga!... Elemental Sodium can be fun too.

110 Every time I hear that I always wonder who the libs would blame for that one,

Booooooosh!

111 He's talking about the journal "Nature" when he writes "Mike's Nature trick," right?  Is Mike's full name known? Maybe hunting down the article, if it exists, would be a Thing to Do, like feeding Vall.

112 111 He's talking about the journal "Nature" when he writes "Mike's Nature trick," right?  Is Mike's full name known? Maybe hunting down the article, if it exists, would be a Thing to Do, like feeding Vall.

Many of these papers are posted online. When did Al Gore invent the internet?

113 Ace is going to be hitting his supply of flaming skulls pretty hard today. I wonder if he gets them wholesale.

114 108 / Flavius: Yeah - greenhouse operators and hydroponic gardener add CO2 to get the normal 380 ppm to about 1000 ppm, makes plants grow a lot better.

115

Posted by: Wm T Sherman at November 20, 2009 01:55 PM (w41GQ)

I would guess Michael Mann (of intentionally fraudulent Hockey Stick infamy).  He has about 5 Nature articles listed on his own site, so checking the date might nail it down.  Just a guess, though.

 

116 That would be Dr. Michael Mann:
NATURE |VOL 392 |23 APRIL 1998

117

From National Review Online, Sept 23 2009:

So the weather data that go into the historical climate records that are required to verify models of global warming aren’t the original records at all. Jones and Wigley, however, weren’t specific about what was done to which station in order to produce their record, which, according to the IPCC, showed a warming of 0.6° +/– 0.2°C in the 20th century.

Now begins the fun. Warwick Hughes, an Australian scientist, wondered where that “+/–” came from, so he politely wrote Phil Jones in early 2005, asking for the original data. Jones’s response to a fellow scientist attempting to replicate his work was, “We have 25 years or so invested in the work. Why should I make the data available to you, when your aim is to try and find something wrong with it?”

Oh, that Dr. Phil Jones

http://tinyurl.com/l3nsqq

118 How many years until they ban outdoor Christmas Holiday lights? I've noticed they are advertising expensive LED versions this year which are probably dim. 1 year or 2?

119 Yes General.  THAT Dr. Jones.

120 @105:Remember when computers were keep in glass-windowed rooms and tended by guys in labcoats?

My university didn't have the glass windows; there was just this big room you couldn't get into.

By the time I started, the punched cards were fading. They were in the process of replacing the big Burroughs with a flock of VAXen.

I did do *cough* I mean a friend of mine did some rummaging around in the wastebaskets in the cardpunch room to collect discarded username/password cards so he could steal time to play games on the Burroughs, though.

121

Yeah, me too except I make an exception for my wife's question about whether a dress makes her look fat.  I can remember that shit.

No need to lie there, either.

I'm guessing that, in most cases, it's not the dress that's doing it. No, the fault can typically be attributed to the economy-sized ass contained therein...

122 120: What a joy it was trying to debug code when it was on punchcards.

123 117

From National Review Online, Sept 23 2009:

So the weather data that go into the historical climate records that are required to verify models of global warming aren’t the original records at all. Jones and Wigley, however, weren’t specific about what was done to which station in order to produce their record, which, according to the IPCC, showed a warming of 0.6° +/– 0.2°C in the 20th century.

Now begins the fun. Warwick Hughes, an Australian scientist, wondered where that “+/–” came from, so he politely wrote Phil Jones in early 2005, asking for the original data. Jones’s response to a fellow scientist attempting to replicate his work was, “We have 25 years or so invested in the work. Why should I make the data available to you, when your aim is to try and find something wrong with it?”

Oh, that Dr. Phil Jones

http://tinyurl.com/l3nsqq

I aint no rocket scientist or anything but isn't that the whole point of peer review?

124 John, I don't think answering "Does this dress make me look fat?" with "No, your ass is doing that all on its own" is going to win you any friends.

125 The spin over at Real Climate . Funny shit .

126

Didn't they later claim that the original data had been lost?

Might be fun to see if any of that old lost data was in the zip file.

127 Climate Audit is back and they have a post about "Mike's Nature trick." http://tinyurl.com/3yvhau

128 ClimateAudit can't take the strain.

129

32 OT but flaming skull worthy in my humble opinion.  In an effort to further appease the Iranians on the nuclear issue, Obama has gone to court to prevent the families of the 1983 Lebanon Marine Barracks bombing to execute their $2.65 billion judgment against Iran by seizing Iranian assets.

I can see the lefty response now. Bush did it as well, it says so in the article. The idiots can't seem to understand that there is a difference between disputing how much can actually be seized, and going to court to block payments.

130 @120 Posted by: Anachronda at November 20, 2009 02:13 PM (1OYcp)

At my college we ran FORTRAN on punch cards on an RCA mainframe.  No passwords, only a JOB card with a name (could be any name) on it.  The operators used to piss us off by waiting (sometimes for hours) until there were a large number of FORTRAN jobs to run while running COBOL jobs on demand for the business pukes.  Fortunately we had a plan- the RCA FORTRAN compiler had a bug in the 'ARCCOS' function that would crash the operating system requiring a tedious reload.  The computer center walls were covered with warnings to not use the ARCCOS function.

So we wrote a one line program:  Y=ARCCOS(0)  and submitted it under a JOB card with the innocent pseudonym "Dick Burns"- and waited.  Sure enough the operator runs the pile of FORTRAN jobs, the OS halts, the operator- mad as hell- rifles through the stack of JOB cards until he finds the offending one and then turns to the entire computer center and yells:

"ALL RIGHT, WHO'S DICK BURNS!?!?!?"

Fun times...

131

Hide the decline?

It was a sexual metaphor.

You know, like hide the sausage.

We in climatology use words such as decline, or isobar, or atmosphere, or algore as metaphors for sexual acts or when we talk about our peenors.

132
ClimateAudit can't take the strain.


I need more power, Scotty.

Moar Power!

133 I bet Iowahawk writes a good spoof on this Hadley CRU klan.

134 Dammit, Jim, I'm a propagandist, not a scientist!

135 FORTRAN... yeah, I remember that.

I've worked in some truly obscure programming languages over the years. SCHEME (Knights of the Lambda Calculus!), Lisp, Prolog, JOVIAL, Ada, JCL, REXX, CANDU, lots of others. And about a hundred different variants of C and C++. I've never written actual production code in FORTRAN, though, thank God. (Although I did once work on a COBOL program that had been written two months before I was born!)

136 I did some UCSD Pascal.

137 ;

138 Piltdown Manmade Warming

139
I've worked in some truly obscure programming languages over the years. SCHEME (Knights of the Lambda Calculus!), Lisp, Prolog, JOVIAL, Ada, JCL, REXX, CANDU, lots of others.

Are you the one guy, in the history of the universe, who wrote his own JCL? Everyone else always just copied what the one guy wrote and cut out the bits they didn't need.

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As a recovering academic this is really just a delightful treasure trove of documents.  For years McIntyre has been pushing to see raw data and the modeling software source code from this cabal and they have refused.  Now we REALLY know why.  These individuals may be mathematical, climatological geniuses, but they do not follow even the most basic software development and database management practices. 

For really, really important software we use formal development processes that result in mathematically proven software.  For AlGore's anti-scientists, they think they know their software is working correctly if the output looks plausible, and for them plausible is a hockey-stick.

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So where do you folks want news items sent?

This isn't an appeal to gain attention--no wait, look at me! look at me dammit! why won't anyone look at me?--I just want to know who fields hot and cooling tips, and how.

No "tip" jokes, please.

Not even that one. You know which one I mean.

143 Dr. Jones, Dr. Jones
Calling Dr Jones
Dr. Jones, Dr. Jones
Fake temps now

144 My first college programming class was in Ada.  I think I was supposed to learn Scheme and Prolog...but that was after I discovered the ASSTR newsgroups.  Not much got learned that semester.

Hrm.

145 I just had a furious battle with the readers of a favorite science site of mine when one of the authors dropped a new article on the site.
The article and the person who dropped it both declared 'The science is in, there is no global cooling.'
Of course the idea was to stop the global warming deniers before they got too much info on their side.
So I went to war with a ton of people on the site - through a comments section like this one. I was ridiculed in all kinds of ways - the rage they had for me - unbelievable. How DARE I tell them global warming was a crock - and that it was pseudoscience driven by greed, profit and lust for control.
Fortunately, I had a few supporters. But I got my point out there as they fought over this for a few days in total.
And NOW THIS...
Well, well, well...

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"Why should I make the data available to you, when your aim is to try and find something wrong with it?”
-Phil Jones, 2005, in response to Warwick Hughes's, an Australian scientist, request for Jones' twenty-five years of climate data.

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Apparently Phil has forgotten the motto of the Royal Society, the UK's oldest scientific orgaization, founded in 1644. 

Translated from Latin, it reads:  "No one gets the last word".

Someone should also tell that to Algore next time he bleats about "settled science".

 

147 Does DoD still use Ada? Did anyone besides DoD use Ada?

148

125 The spin over at Real Climate . Funny shit .

The true believers comments are funny as well.

149 BTW: I noticed at least one question in the thread about use of "proxy" data.

Proxy data is how scientists learned about the ice ages that have occurred over the last million years or so. (I am not using a scientific number here, like Al "millions of degrees" Gore, I'm just using a large number because I know they have traced several ice ages, and each of them are about 100,000 years apart (give or take a few tens of thousands of years). I don't know how many years back the data is useful. It's a lot.

Proxy data is about as universally "agreed on" by climate scientists as it gets in that field, and such things as ice cores, tree rings, layers of certain elements in the soil, transported materials (stuff that glaciers pushed around), etc., all serve as hard data to track ancient climate. In other words, ice ages happened, and no one can say with any certainty that they will not happen again.

This article by David Deming of the U. of Oklahoma shows exactly why AGW is such a tough sell, especially now that its proponents have had their "data" exposed.

150

Knights of the Lambda Calculus

Wasn't that a Rush song...?

 

151 It's the Hadley Particle Colluder at work. And the sceptics said it couldn't be done.

152

Friend of Ace Charles over at LGF has declared this whole AGW email thing to be a "nontroversy" created by write-ring bloggers and AGW deniers cherry picking stolen emails.  He also said that these are not the droids you're looking for, so move along.

153 @149:

This issue is: There's proxy data, and then there's proxy data.

Michael Mann's method is to throw anything that might possibly be a proxy into a pot, and see what lines up with the (fudged!) HADCrut temperature records. And "clipping" sections from lots of potential proxies to essentially improve their rankings. "Oh, well, it sucked in 1960-1980, so we'll crop that part and see if it was a good proxy everywhere but that one part where it sucked hard."

This works fine in one aspect - you will indeed find things that do line up with with current temperature trends. But the fundamental assumption here is that those same proxies actually work when extended into history. And it is basically unreasonable. Trees that are precisely at the treeline do indeed make pretty reasonable short term thermometers.

But treelines freaking move. And so these same trees weren't on a treeline 200 years ago. Or 400. Or whatever.

They can be a decent proxy for -current- temperatures, while simultaneously completely sucking at being a proxy for historical temperatures.

There are emails from other basically highlighting the non-proxy nature littered through this FOIA dump. This is freaking outrageous.

154 No sign of this story yet on the liberal news outlets.  They must be working on some deep investigations.  Or mayeb NBC needs to wait until after green week to report on this.

155

The libstream media is undoubtedly consulting to find the "proper" spin for this. There was one thing on the BBC not revealing any of the content of the emails or data files but moaning about the illegal hacking into the system.

156

So all of your 'evidence' consists of one e-mail with the phrase 'hide the decline'.

How CONCLUSIVE.

157

How CONCLUSIVE.

For someone who seems willing to take demonstrably weak and faulty data as enough evidence for AGW, what more would you need to prove that they were trying to monkey around with the numbers for their own selfish purposes?

Or do you have another explanation for the "hide the decline" remark, besides the most blindingly obvious one?

158 So all of your 'evidence' consists of one e-mail with the phrase 'hide the decline'.

One e-mail? Is that going to be the meme of you AGW-cultist shitheads? FYI, dumbass, it's a whole bunch of e-mails revealing all kinds of incriminating unscientific behaviour.
.
Follow the links, you brain-damaged lying sack of crap.

159 Is AGW Al Gore's Wahhabism?

160

147 ......? Did anyone besides DoD use Ada?

OK, I admit it:  I bent her over a fence quite a few  times.

161 Ada: the best FORTRAN since ALGOL.

162 spoke with Dr. Phil Jones, the researcher who wrote about attempting to fit data to "hide the decline." Here's his explanation:

163 Michael Mann's method is to throw anything that might possibly

164 ......? Did anyone besides DoD use Ada?

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"The Mann, Bradley, Hughes 1998 paper purported to reproduce the global temperature curve for the millenium using a number of tree-ring composites as a proxy. They refused to release their data or statistical protocol."

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???!!

To those who actually understand the science, Dr Jones was very obviously talking about the tree ring data becoming unreliable after around 1960 - a known problem which CRU scientists THEMSELVES have previously highlighted in their published work (so much for the "conspiracy"!)

The "trick" is to supplement the tree ring data with other, more reliable data from alternative sources to erase ("hide") a well-known margin of ERROR!

To repeat, Dr Jones is emphatically NOT talking about an actual decline in global temperature which he, or anyone else in his field, is trying to cover up. His comments are clearly being taken out of context and deliberately misrepresented to the public. If this is the best you can find out of several thousands emails dating way back to 1996...well...

Independent bodies (i.e. bodies not affiliated with each other, or colluding in any way whatsoever) throughout the world - using very different methods - all confirm the warming trend. There's absolutely no evidence of wrongdoing here, still less outright fraud.

There is, however, plenty of evidence of nefarious private interest groups going to criminal lengths to wilfully distort and undermine scientific findings, as well as smear and vilify honest scientists. Disgusting.

Regards,

P.

 

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