1 ... with CNN's desire to position itself as an opinion-free, middle-of-the-road alternative to its cable news rivals ..

I'm seeing this bs in every article about Dobbs and CNN's rating woes.  Are people being paid to say this?

2 I wish someone would pay me to go away.

3

Say, that Jack Cafferty is pretty opinion-free too, isn't he?

Second biggest douchebag on television, and often giving Keithie a run for his money.

4 conservative Fox News and liberal MSNBC.

Hahahahaha, you can tell the article was written by a liberal.

5 CNN, now with less opinions?  (Now that Dobbs is done).  So they are slowly reaching their goal of being "opinion free" being as they share one common state fed opinion:  "Obama is great!  Let us thank him for our food.  By his hand we're gently led, Thank him for our daily bread, and state mandated health care, and possible state run commuter rails, and state run car companies, and state run banks, etc., etc., etc.  In Barack's name, Amen."

6 Say, that Jack Cafferty is pretty opinion-free too, isn't he?
Guys got some serious happiness issues to say the least.

7

So, I guess, in addition to Jack Cafferty, CNN will soon be telling Candy Crowley and Roland Martin to get the hell out of dodge.

And isn't this the same network that let that moron D.J. Hugley have his own show for awhile?

Neutral - yea.

8 Now that Sadaam's money has dried up, and commies are giving all of their money to Immert maybe they are seeing the "light".

I guess LaRaza/ACORN/SEIU (in otherwords, our tax money) is greasing their wheels now.

Hey Lou, how about spilling some CNN secrets for free.....then write a juicy book about the whole mob of them.

9 I'm confused.  Is teabagging anything like an AC/360?

10

I wish he was still on the air.

In the mountain time zone, when I get home around 5:00, Shep Smith is on so I spent that hour flipping between Kudlow on CNBC and Dobbs on CNN.

11 Dobbs can bite the big wieney as far as I'm concerned but CNN having to pay is good.

Now if Fox could get rid of Shep, they would get at least an extra half hour of eyes at my house.

12

Good for Lou.

13 CNN could afford to pay Dobbs to leave because they are going to be replacing him with an illegal alien whom they won't have to pay, but will only have to allow to sleep in the maintenance room and eat whatever he can grab from the green room.

14 There's no non-compete clause as part of his buyout, so I can see Fox signing him if he wants to go there.

He's certainly not going to be welcome at MSNBC if he was too conservative for CNN.

15

LOFL.

They payed the guy who got their highest ratings on the whole network $8M to take a hike?

16 Of course, CNN is now opinion free and middle-of-the-road.  Nothing to stop them from greatness now. 

17 What with Cafferty and Cooper CNN is also IQ free.

18

CNN boss Jonathan Klein and Dobbs, 64, had been publicly feuding over the kind of reporting Dobbs was doing on his show --

Impossible! All the lefties assure me that the network bosses never intefere with the reporting which goes on the air at their stations. Only Fox News would do such a thing, and they are not a real news network!

 

19

Dobbs is to be on O'Rielly show.

Lou for Shep

20 If he can claim the entire $8MM payoff this year, he probably made a good move.

21  I like Cafferty as much as he likes me.

22

CNN's desire to position itself as an opinion-free, middle-of-the-road alternative to its cable news rivals

Good one.

23

As Anderson Cooper makes cutesy jokes about "teabaggers."

As Anderson Cooper ardently, longingly, breathlessly, hungrily makes cutesy jokes about "teabaggers."

24 Klein long believed Dobbs was at odds with CNN's desire to position itself as an opinion-free, middle-of-the-road alternative to its cable news rivals -- conservative Fox News and liberal MSNBC.

Isnt Dobbs pretty middle of the road? I haven't watched CNN in a long time, but I remember him being leftwing on some issues and rightwing on others?

Then again, these same boneheads thing O'Reilly is a far rightwinger.

25 Apparently, CNN has a desire to position itself as viewer-free too.

26

16 / RDB: Nothing to stop them from greatness now.

hahahahahaha... superb snark. 

27

As Anderson Cooper ardently, longingly, breathlessly, hungrily makes cutesy jokes about "teabaggers."

Posted by: FUBAR at November 16, 2009 12:11 PM (fstYb)

I would pay good money to see someone tell the fabulous Anderson Cooper, "Takes one to know one" the next time he cracks a teabagging slur.

28

Isnt Dobbs pretty middle of the road?

Yes. Which makes hm an extreme right-winger by CNN/MSM standards.

29

 CNN could afford to pay Dobbs to leave because they are going to be replacing him with an illegal alien whom they won't have to pay...

Ha! 

30 Um, is that the same 'opinion-free' CNN that gives Democrats 27 POINT SAMPLING ADVANTAGES in their 'snap' polling?

31 Dobbs is a lefty on all issues but illegal migration.

Fox doesn't need another Shep.

32 Now if Fox could get rid of Shep, they would get at least an extra half hour of eyes at my house.

They need to ditch Geraldo too...

33 Does CNN stand for Cocksucker Network News?

34 They should take Shepherder out of the nighttime lineup so they can squeeze Red Eye in between their two block of major players.

35

"the anti-Obama "birther" movement"

 

Personally I am not a birther, but I view it as a Pro-constitution movement rather rthan a anti-Obama one.

36

33 Does CNN stand for Cocksucker Network News?

Don't tease me.

37
I hope Lou cashes that check right away.   Makes sure it clears, and puts that shit network $8 million closer to bankruptcy.

38 opinion-free, middle-of-the-road

Has to be said.  "You keep using that word.  I do not think it means what you think it means."

39 CNN must be an arm of the Republican/GOP party if they are purging. Only the conservatives do that.

/sarcasm

40
Dobbs still had one and a half years on his five-year, $35 million contract, which was back-loaded, and he would have earned another $9 million before the contract ended in mid-2011.

41 I'm looking forward to his tell-all book.

42 This will make me look better after that unfortunate Jeopardy kerfuffle.

43 "the anti-Obama "birther" movement"

I just don't get why the Left is so freaked out about the birthers.

Are they wrong? Probably

Are they being a bit paranoid? Yes

But...so what?This isn't like the troofers who were alleging the US government either killed its own people or intentionally allowed them to be killed as an excuse to invade Iraq - and keep in mind this is something that a majority of Leftists believe...

44 On Drudge:  "World Leaders Back Delay To Final Climate Deal," and "World Leaders Agree It's Too Fucking Cold To Meet Right Now," and "Staffer Confirms Leaders Hoping For Warmer Weather So They Can Sqeeze-In Nine Holes Before Meeting."

45 Personally I am not a birther, but I view it as a Pro-constitution movement rather rthan a anti-Obama one.

Posted by: California Red at November 16, 2009 12:19 PM (7uWb

That is the correct view of it. It has nothing to do with being "anti-Obama". It's a shame, and dangerous beyond belief, how the Constitution is given such short shrift these days.

46

Two quick points:

1.) Lou Dobbs didn't fit in at CNN.

2.) That's the best value in getting someone out of an organization since Home Depot got rid of Bob Nardelli.

47

CNN can't afford to get rid of Larry King.

48 I'm green with envy for Lou Dobbs.

First, he gets paid $8 million dollars.

Second, he gets to leave CNN.

49 Every article I see on Dobbs states that he is conservative because he is against illegal immigration.  So from that am I to assume that the meaning of liberal is someone who believes and supports what is illegal?

We have got to quit letting the media and liberal jackasses define conservatism. 

50

Slightly off topic but anyhow:

Whenever I hear "XYZName signs/gets paid an X million dollar bonus" I doubt if most people realize he gets less than half.

Whether sports or media the agents get 10-20%, then Feds at least 40%, then state taxes. If in NY or CA the person probably only nets 1/3 of the bonus.

Same thing when an exec exercises stock options - it is all ordinary income taxed at full rates not capital gains.

51 47 "CNN can't afford to get rid of Larry King."   I might be able to help them out on that score.

52 I wish someone would pay me to go away.

Posted by: nevergiveup at November 16, 2009 11:57 AM (0GFWk)

Will be an asshole for $8,000,000.

53

PS. Dobbs is on "O'Reilly" tonight.

54 Isnt Dobbs pretty middle of the road?

He was... for 30 years.  Now, he's surrounded by leftists.

55 How long before he is on Fox?

56 Show idea for Fox News: "The Dobbs-Rivera Hour"

57 As Anderson Cooper makes cutesy jokes about "teabaggers.

Anderson Cooper is a Vanderbilt, it would take way more than a paltry eight million dollars to make him give up his prime time leftist megaphone.

58 Every article I see on Dobbs states that he is conservative because he is against illegal immigration.  So from that am I to assume that the meaning of liberal is someone who believes and supports what is illegal?

We have got to quit letting the media and liberal jackasses define conservatism. 

Posted by: prettypinkfluffypanties at November 16, 2009 12:31 PM (Jyuxh)

Hey, like I said, no controlling legal authority.

59 What is it about these multimillionaire "journalists" that make them not want to retire?

Lou Dobbs is 64 years old.  Why, why, why, do they all seem to think they can't just go home and live a good life off the millions they've made?

Barbara Walters just turned 80.  Dan Rather is 78.  Bob Schieffer is 71. Diane Sawyer is 63. Chris Matthews is 63. Chris Wallace is 62.

Helen Thomas is 89.

For cryin' out loud.  Go away already.

60 "He is married to his second wife, Debi Lee Segura, an American who was born in Mexico"

61 I still cannot understand why FOX NEWS doen't jump in and knock off CNN's cash cow on airports, Commercial buildings, and other lucrative deals the CNN has locked up. CNN would be in the same shape as MSNBC if  FOX did that. 

62 Every article I see on Dobbs states that he is conservative because he is against illegal immigration.  So from that am I to assume that the meaning of liberal is someone who believes and supports what is illegal?

We have got to quit letting the media and liberal jackasses define conservatism. 
Posted by: prettypinkfluffypanties at November 16, 2009 12:31 PM (Jyuxh)

How was I supposed to know driving drunk and leaving a woman to drown was a crime?

63 Show idea for Fox News: "The Dobbs-Rivera Hour"
Posted by: Onlooker at November 16, 2009 12:34 PM (M3hG/)

yeah fine but without Rivera

64 The fact that some anchors use the word teabaggers to describe the Tea Party movement without fear of retribution tells you everything you need to know about journalism today.

It tells you the level of disdain these people have for you, the juvenile and unserious nature of the people reading your news, and the utter lack of professional policing that goes on in these organizations.

Bias is one thing. Using a vulgar slur while displaying that bias takes it to a whole different level.

65 Eight Million to Go Away ... now I understand why he was smiling when he announced his departure.

66 Susan Roesgan will be pleased.

67 Using a vulgar slur while displaying that bias takes it to a whole different level.

It's not "bias".  When will we wake up and stop saying that?

68

@59

Jaynie.  Jaynie, Jaynie, Jaynie.  It's not the money, it's the POWER. 

69 Everything the liberal-leaning (bent over?) CNN reporters say is regarded as FACT by their management.  Other (aka "Unacceptable") ideas are OPINIONS.  Dobbs' departure makes CNN opinion-free by this definition.

70

And isn't this the same network that let that moron D.J. Hugley have his own show for awhile?

HEY!  The show was not given time to mature and the proucer was a racist!

 

71 Same thing when an exec exercises stock options - it is all ordinary income taxed at full rates not capital gains.

Isn't that why Apple was getting into trouble with the options for Jobs, et al?  As I understood it, the problem was fiddling with the dates to minimize tax consequences. 

72 It's not "bias".  When will we wake up and stop saying that?

Posted by: wHodat at November 16, 2009 12:38 PM (+sBB4)

I'd have to agree. Some time in the early 00s the State Media moved from extreme bias to being the press arm of the Left.

73 "Dobbs is a lefty on all issues but illegal migration."

There used to be some real lefty union-type guys who had issues with illegal immigration too.  What ever happened to them?

74 I love it when Anderson Cooper lets loose a "mudslide" on "teabaggers."

75

And isn't this the same network that let that moron D.J. Hugley have his own show for awhile?

And then there's me...

76 #50 Huckleberry  To take this one step further, what would happen to NYC and NY State revenue if Fox news left and say, went to Texas, Florida, Nevada, or some other state with no income tax.  Why does every major news organization have their HQ in NY?  No reason to any more!  Other news organizations might follow once they see the bottom line benefits.

77 CNN boss Jonathan Klein and Dobbs, 64, had been publicly feuding over the kind of reporting Dobbs was doing on his show -- especially stories about illegal immigration and the anti-Obama "birther" movement,

Klein was especially ticked off that the reason he told Dobbs to back off of the birth certificate story (Dobbs couldn't even get the whole eligibility issue correct, but only touched on the birth certificate) was because CNN had already "investigated" it and determined that all paperwork had been destroyed when Hawaii transferred the records to digital (a claim that Hawaii immediately contradicted in public). In a normal world, such a news director would have been immediately fired, as intentionally passing bad information to spike a story is sort of a no-no in the journalism business (at least, if that idiocy makes it into the public arena).

It's funny how such a blatant lie by a news director in order to get someone off of a story hasn't made much news ... But, that is the world we inhabit, these days.

78 CNN pays alot less to make it's viewers go away.

79 And then there's me...

Posted by: Joy Behar at November 16, 2009 12:45 PM (qP2BK)

Weren't you on The Golden Girls?

80

And then there's me...

Please go away.......

81 There used to be some real lefty union-type guys who had issues with illegal immigration too.  What ever happened to them?

The unions ceased to be about the "workers" a long time ago. The unions are for union bosses now.

82 Headline: "CNN's takeover by leftist radicals is complete"

83 Why does every major news organization have their HQ in NY?

CNN is HQ'd in Atlanta.

84 You MoFO's are smokin some crazy shit!

85 73 "Dobbs is a lefty on all issues but illegal migration."

There used to be some real lefty union-type guys who had issues with illegal immigration too.  What ever happened to them?

Posted by: cassandra at November 16, 2009 12:43 PM (GdalM)

Good question.

Where are the unions on illegal aliens driving down wages for union workers?

86 Jon Klein is envious of MSNBC.

87 thanks Vic, I did not know that...I guess thats why Delta has CNN at every Delta terminal.

88 Where are the unions on illegal aliens driving down wages for union workers?

Posted by: billy at November 16, 2009 12:53 PM (mxvuR)

They are more for illegal aliens being forced to pay union dues (illegally employed or legalized). The trade of Shamnesty for Card Check is an easy one for the unions - the original terrorists. The unions are also seeing their influence in the monetary system increase dramatically (though they already had an insanely ridiculous amount of forced representation in the Federal Reserve that no thinking person should have ever allowed).

89

Hell, I'll go away for half of that.

90

Good question.

Where are the unions on illegal aliens driving down wages for union workers?

There was a time when unions were actually (1) patriotic and (2) understanding of economics at least to the point of restricting supply of grunt labor. Remember when hard-hats beat up hippies, or when then AFL-CIO boss George Meany (cool name, you gotta admit) fought against Nixon's attempts to impose wage and price controls? (WOW, it's freaky to think there was a time when even the GOP took that shit seriously to the point of a political role reversal).

But the Unions of today? Communist leftovers infiltrated. The Piven-Cloward acolytes are at work. It is all about importing a larger proletariat to lead now. If it ends up in the disuniting of America and Reconquista traitors, so much the better for the Commiecrats.

91

Where are the unions on illegal aliens driving down wages for union workers?

You wingers ask waaaay too many questions that are none of your concern...really.

 

92 Come on, jackass, you know what we meant: free of wrong opinions.

Just like this country would be wing-free if we didn't have conservatives.

93

Got to import a new class of poor, ignorant, welfare dependents.

Which reminds me.  Now that the furor has died down, I think it's safe to say:  God I'm glad Ted Kennedy died.

94 For cryin' out loud.  Go away already.

Posted by: Jaynie59 at November 16, 2009 12:35 PM (YjQWV)

If we can't get them for congress, can we at least get term limits for journalist?

95 If we can't get them for congress, can we at least get term limits for journalist?

Posted by: Tami at November 16, 2009 01:04 PM (VuLos)

Don't worry. Congress is working on term limits for everyone with their national socialist health scare insanity.

96

 71/Alexthechick:

I think they were fiddling with the dates to change the strike price. Options exercises are ordinary income regardless of the award date.

Example:

The company gives you an incentive plan award of 10,000 options at the average of today's open & close prices vesting in 3 years and expiring in 10 yrs. Say that today when the market closes the open/close average is $50 which sets the strike price.

Six years from now the stock is at $80 and you exercise the options. The $300,000 gain ((10,000 X ($80 - $50)) is all ordinary income even though you had the options for 6 years.

Backdating the award date to get a more favorable strike price may be what Apple got slapped for.

 

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thanks Vic, I did not know that...I guess thats why Delta has CNN at every Delta terminal.

Which brings up another salient point.  How many people are truly watching CNN?  I'm sure their ratings include all the "captive" viewers.  You know, people that are "forced" to watch it (and who often aren't even watching it) as it is the channel de facto in every airport terminal and hospital waiting room.  It's just like USA Today having an articficially high circulation because it's the newspaper that's given out free at most hotels. 

99

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100 Stupid, stupid sock!  (And yeah, she's dumber than a bag of hammers!)

101 Is anyone watching what's going on in the Ukraine lately re: flu and viral pneumonia? 

Search: Joseph Moshe

102

76/Mystry:

With today's modern communications that's a good idea. I think most are in NY because it is the legacy media capitol. The reporters and newreaders would be taxed at rates in their state of residence of course but if HQ was in a no income tax state a lot of them could live there.

103 A CNN spokesman said of Roesgen ...

"She was doing her job, and called it like she saw it."

Just thought I'd throw that reminder in there.

104 Backdating the award date to get a more favorable strike price may be what Apple got slapped for.

Posted by: Huckleberry at November 16, 2009 01:06 PM (s2bW4)

I don't know the particulars with Jobs' options, but companies have been arbitrarily changing the strikes on bonus options for years - usually done for companies that have sucked air in the market to render the options worthless. Boards have just reduced the strikes in many of those cases, to manufacture the "appropriate" profit, and I have never heard of any legal challenge to them upheld.

For what it's worth, Jobs is one of the worst people in business and Apple was the most selfish, greedy, power-hungry computer company that existed. People give Microsoft grief for grabbing the OS market, but Apple held tightly onto both the hardware and software market and forced its customers to buy overpriced Apple products. When the iPhone came out and was locked to a network, that was just typical Apple. If Apple had been half as successful as Microsoft, they would have destroyed the computer industry.

But, typical of the left to love the authoritarians.

105 Lou leaving CNN and Beck leaving HLN are bad things for the conservative movement.  OK, Lou is only conservative on certain issues, and Beck is a populist weirdo, but by being on the air at CNN/HLN, they introduced CNN's viewers to at least SOME conservative views, and may even have changed some minds or planted some doubts.  Fox already has strong conservative stars, but it is not in our interest to have ALL conservatives ghettoized at Fox.

106

Got to import a new class of poor, ignorant, welfare dependents.

Yeah -Yeah...its true, last i checked union enrollment was at 14% of the entire countries workforce across all sectors of buisness. People are rally startin to wize-up in this country...its killin us!

 

107 He'll be on Fox Business Channel.  They need programming and he fits in nicely.

108 Re: my last post, the Ukraine/Moshe/Baxter "situation".

Who to believe, the MSM?  Or the wacko huffpo (damn these people are nuts.) crowd?

I just read a 10-page huffpo thread.  Holy crap these people are insane.

The basic gist of 99% of the comments was "lock up all the Republicans NOW."

But is there something to this "conspiracy"?

109 It's not "bias". When will we wake up and stop saying that?
Posted by: wHodat at November 16, 2009 12:38 PM (+sBB4)

My eyes are wide open.

Thus that "whole different level" I referenced.

There's bias and there's propaganda. Anyone using the word teabaggers pretty reliably falls into the latter category.

But there's a little bit of both mixed in. You have your outright propagandists and then you have your useful idiots who are so cocooned up in their newsroom culture that they actually BELIEVE that their reporting is unbiased.

110 Fox already has strong conservative stars, but it is not in our interest to have ALL conservatives ghettoized at Fox.

Posted by: Holdfast at November 16, 2009 01:14 PM (Gzb30)

It's not like we have a choice.

111 Sorry 'bout the O.T.

112 Dobbs better take his severance package, pay his taxes, and turn it into gold or hard assets.  Keep it in a bank and the bank will fail or the govt will take it away.  Hey, they nationalized the pensions in Argentina.  Can't happen here, ya say?

From WaPo, Nov. 20, 2008

Argentina's Senate on Thursday night gave final approval to the government's plan to nationalize the private pension system in an attempt to protect retirement investments from the international financial crisis.

The proposal by President Cristina Fern醤dez de Kirchner last month to nationalize about $25 billion in private pension funds provoked an outburst of criticism that the government was seizing retirement savings for cash to shore up its finances. But after 12 hours of deliberation Thursday, Fern醤dez de Kirchner's plan was approved 46 to 18 by senators who argued that the private pension system never served the country well.

113

ALL conservatives ghettoized at Fox.

Man...why you wingers always gotta go there?? RACISTS!

114 CNN's desire to position itself as an opinion-free, middle-of-the-road alternative to its cable news rivals


I think by "opinion free, middle-of-the-road" they mean they would  stop themselves short of calling for criminal persecution of Bush admin. Or at least try.

115 Jack Cafferty is an ignorant scoundrel! I disapprove of his very existence. I considered ending it myself on several occasions but self-control got the better of me.

116

I get the feeling that Fox News is slowly assembling a slam dunk lineup.  Swap Dobbs in for Shep and get Rush to replace Geraldo and we'll have a conservative Death Star.

117

59

To think, back in the day, Walter Cronkite was forced out for the egregious sin of turning 65.

Two decades later, Mike Wallace was filing 60 Minutes reports at age 90!

118 Why does every major news organization have their HQ in NY?

CNN is HQ'd in Atlanta.



Correction: He said major news organizations.

119 Thats nothing, Notre Dame is going to pay Charlie Weis about $18 million to go away at the end of the season. heh

120 Still laughing at the idea of the Commie News Nutwork trying to me MotR and opinion free.

121 I'm sure that the left would love for CNN to be the baseline of neutrality.  That way everyone to the right of Fidel Castro would be an ultra-right wing  fringe conservative.

122 Lou Dobbs "lost 7 million" by relinquishing his contract.
Lou Dobbs "gained 8 million" by relinquishing his contract.
Lou Dobbs knows how to deal.

Lou Dobbs and Sarah Palin will develop an alliance.

123 CNN spilling their own beans.
Damn the torpedos!
Fart storm ahead.

124 Why does every major news organization have their HQ in NY?

CNN is HQ'd in Atlanta.


Actually, these days their main broadcast center seems to be from the Time Warner Center building on Columbus Circle in New York City.

Doesn't make their broadcasts any less sucky, though.

125 Actually, these days their main broadcast center seems to be from the Time Warner Center building on Columbus Circle in New York City.

Their website says their headquarters is located in the Time-Warner Building in downtown Atlanta.

126 Why would anyone consider Anderson Cooper a serious journalist? He used to sport a Flock Of Seagulls hairdo on-air in his foreign correspondent days.

127

104/ProgressoverPeace:

Yeah, backdating options to get the strike in the money when the stock price forward has sucked makes a joke out of "incentive plan" options.

I wonder if there would be prosecutions if a major oil company did the same things as Apple.

128 Wow, so CNN is that desperate to curry favor with BHO and the international elite... Perhaps Dobbs was hurting them in India, Mid East or Mexico because he was anti-outsource and did not want unlimited immigration. But AC, Cafferty, the rest of the "straight news" liberals are fine. Boy, Lou Dobbs gets a payday and TimeWarner shareholders get screwed. Dobbs was not even a real populist. I suppose John King is much cheaper...so his show will cost less to produce..kind of like the Jay Leno vs. scripted TV series approach.

129 Never a fan of Dobbs.

130 116 Fox has a nice mix of people. Limbaugh won't do TV again, would like to see Palin with her own show. I do wonder why Fox only shows Beck once on the west coast unlike the BO replay. Either way, CNN becomes less and less relevant.

131 I still cannot understand why FOX NEWS doen't jump in and knock off CNN's cash cow on airports, Commercial buildings, and other lucrative deals the CNN has locked up.

In most cases airport boards are run by city and/or state governments, so the odds of them running something that isn't the State-Run Media are about nil.

132 CNN wants to be "middle of the road".  Sounds like road kill wannabee.

Its like arguing if it wants to be like China, North Korea, North Vietnam, Cuba, or the USSR.  Tough decision What is the most middle of the road Mr Asswipe?

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Lou was the only thing worth watching on CNN.

Stay classy, CNN.  You sucked, and now you suck worse.

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