1 Helium-3. I want it. Bring it back.

2 I think the book you read was "The Gods Themselves".

3 Space sex would have to be dynamite.

4 Naked near weightless jugs? You realise weight is what makes them round right?
Okay, it's still good.

5 So that's something, at least. Chicks walking around with their knockers floating around in .16 earth gravity, like bouyant sex-puddings.


I don't know, wouldn't they eventually get accustomed to lighter gravity over time? Then if they visited earth, they'd probably sag like hell.

6 The book in question is "The Moon is a Harsh Mistress" by Robert A. Heinlein.  He only got more pervy as he got older.

7 .... floating around rambunctiously like one of Kevin Bacon's space-socks....


That was un-necessarily ghey .

8 There be a lot of H3 on the Moon.  Possibly great for fusion reactors back here on Earth.  Great reason for a permanent base!

9 Was that Asimov or Heinlein?  Seems like The Moon is a Harsh Mistress to me.  On the other hand, all that stuff was written in the '60s and '70s, so the free-floating floppy milk jugs are probably scattered through the genre.

10 ^{...like gravity, so all the chicks walked around with their knockers hanging out.}

The moon!  Where boobies don't sag!  Yay!

11 And in an Aasimov book (IIRC), all the sexual mores on Luna Colony totally lightened up, like gravity, so all the chicks walked around with their knockers hanging out.

That sounds more like Heinlein to me.  That pretty much sums up a lot of his work actually.

12 I heard anal and oral sex keeps boobs from sagging.

13 Hmmm... I thought maybe it was Heinlein.

I owned "The Gods Themselves" and read it, but from what I recall, it concerned an alternate universe which was pumping in an isotope forbidden by the laws our universe -- like Tungesten 238 or something, and that there was some kind of imbalance going on as we and these tri-sexual alt-universe aliens kept pumping exotic isotopes to each other.

14 "We could probably also run some tests to see how spiders build webs in low-gravity. That, and naked moon-jugs floating around rambunctiously like one of Kevin Bacon's space-socks, and I think we can secure funding."

Your missing that darker conservative society side again; of the economically deprived moon citizens, forced by their corporate masters to go into the water mines with nothing but a pick and a shovel and slave away mining ice for 18 hours a day only to sleep on a bed of hard moonrocks; all the while the fat cats just keep getting fatter, now able to carry six times the weight under the weaker moon gravity.

Look at me I can write for KOS.

15 This is awesome news though, If we can collectively pull our heads out of our asses for a decade or two then we might actually see a manned lunar base in our lifetimes.  Its exciting.

16
Speaking of Space:1999, I was just watching a few episodes. I barely remember the show from when I was a kid, so I thought they were on a spaceship.

THEY WERE ON THE MOON...OUR MOON...TRAVELING  MILLIONS OF LIGHT YEARS ACROSS THE UNIVERSE.

That's just wacky.

17 I hope we find moon-people. We can waterboard them with their own moon-water.

How much ass would that kick?

18 Lunar orbit is a lot easier to get into from the moon, than earth orbit is from earth.  With no atmosphere, a relatively simple rail gun can put smallish raw materials payloads up there, and another orbital one could send'em back on a trajectory to earth after orbital processing

In zero-G/microgravity you can make some pretty interesting materials that are essentially impossible to manufacture in a gravity well.

19 I'm not moving until we get to Mars though. Mars is where the action is gonna be.

20 "buoyant sex-puddings."

Now I'm hungry.  Or horny.  Maybe both. 

I think I have that Heinlein book; must've missed that tidbit.

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We can't colonize the moon because it is rich in the dangerous chemical dihydrogen monoxide.

25 We'll have a lot more to say about this, just as soon as we've finished calculating the number of Lunar species which will be made extinct by the shameless exploitation of the pristine Lunar environment.

26 moon boobies - and they float - sweet!

27

Posted by: loppyd at November 13, 2009 06:09 PM (UJIeT)

Chao's toast in 2010 (decided to piss off conservatives in a very liberal place-stupid move), so maybe we can be blessed w/ Jefferson 2.0 there some time in the future?

28 I don't know, free form floating jugs would mean free form floating balls.  I don't think this is a good thing, I like mine to be snugged up good & tight.

29 The Sierra Club will contact the O-hole and he'll designate the entire moon a wilderness area and off-limits to building and exploration.

30 I'm not moving until we get to Mars though. Mars is where the action is gonna be.

Posted by: Rocks at November 13, 2009 06:04 PM (MTcoh)

Thats all good, but Mars ain't the kind of place to raise your kids, in fact it's cold as hell,and there's no one there to raise them if you did.

31

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As Elaine Benes once said, I don't know how you guys walk around with those things.

32

A federal judge sentenced ex-Rep. William Jefferson (D-La.) on Friday to 13 years in prison, the longest incarceration ever ordered for a former Member of Congress.

The sentence falls short of the maximum 33 years federal prosecutors recommended in court documents. Jefferson’s attorneys recommended a term of no more than 10 years.

http://tinyurl.com/ybj7ja9

Posted by: loppyd at November 13, 2009 06:09 PM (UJIeT)

Thats funny, haven't seen anything in the media about it yet. Wonder if that has anything to do with him being a Democrat?

33 15 This is awesome news though, If we can collectively pull our heads out of our asses for a decade or two then we might actually see a manned lunar base in our lifetimes.  Its exciting.

But first we'd have to find a reason.  This is the problem manned spaceflight suffers from in general - there just isn't anything you can do with a moon base you can't do more cheaply from the bottom of Earth's gravity well.  I hear a lot about H3, but if the goal is power, even assuming you can get H3-based fusion working, you could build gold-plated windmills across the pacific for less money.

Even if you wanted to use it as a stepping stone to Mars or wherever, putting expeditions together in LEO just makes more sense.

34

Hey Blazer.

Raised glass to you.

35 28 I don't know, free form floating jugs would mean free form floating balls.  I don't think this is a good thing, I like mine to be snugged up good & tight.

Just turn up the A/C.

36

And in an Aasimov book (IIRC), all the sexual mores on Luna Colony totally lightened up, like gravity, so all the chicks walked around with their knockers hanging out.

Arthur C. Clarke?  He went on and on about the effect of low gravity on breasts in light of the continuing, full effect of inertia.  Caused my imagination to swirl.

37 Thats funny, haven't seen anything in the media about it yet. Wonder if that has anything to do with him being a Democrat?

Posted by: Blazer at November 13, 2009 06:18 PM (+FzLa)

I got an email alert from Roll Call.  I'm also on the list for NY Times and some other leftist news outlets - nuthin.

38 The problem is due to global warming the water used to be ice and the polar moonbears are dying. I'm afraid it's all off limits now.

39 Heh, one passage from Clarke:  "Some women, Commander Norton had decided long ago, should not be allowed aboard ship; weightlessness did things to their breasts that were too damn distracting. It was bad enough when they were motionless; but when they started to move, and sympathetic vibrations set in, it was more than any warm-blooded male should be asked to take. He was quite sure that at least one serious space accident had been caused by acute crew distraction, after the transit of a well-upholstered lady officer through the control cabin."

40 I don't know who it was. Maybe Arthur C. Clarke.

One thing that bothered me about sci-fi as a kid is that it seemed these authors were very defensive about the charge made that there was no sex in their books, no real human sexuality to give the characters versimilitude, it was all gadgets and adventure and stuff.

And the problem I found is that these authors would *defensively* insert some sexuality into their books, and it always came across as forced at the best and risible at the worst.

41 Try reading John Normans "Chronicles of Gor". I was 15 when I started the series. Had my pervy little mind just a swirlin.

42

Hey Blazer.

Raised glass to you.

Posted by: loppyd at November 13, 2009 06:19 PM (UJIeT)

Hey, right back at ya' !

43 I remember a line Tom Clancy inserted, I think, defensively, to prove he was an "adult writer" and not just writing boy's adventure books.

It was in clear and present danger. He was describing the Columbian-hired spy who seduced a secretary at the CIA (or DEA, or something) in order to then turn her into a spy and get information from her.

And the line he used, after their lovemaking (itself sort of awkwardly described), to describe the quiet calmness after sex, was "Silence was the greatest passion."

And, I don't know, I kind of laughed at that. It was so overwrought and lurid and Harold-Robbins-paperback. He was going into an area that wasn't his forte, defensively, maybe, and just not really doing it well.

44 @39 now that is good sci-fi.

45 they just don't want to admit they fantasize about robo-sex, Mr. Of Spades

46 I was horny as hell as a kid but both then and now -- while sex is high on most lists, if I'm looking at robots and cruising around on the Moon in a Lunajet 'n stuff, well, sex is going to go on hold for a while as I check out this other cool stuff. And so I guess I didn't even think the sex-stuff was really appropriate, because my idea of human nature was that boobies are great, but let's face it, if you're looking at THE RINGWORLD, you're not going to be noticing the boobies very much, at least for a while.

I guess the "for a while" thing is important. They were trying to show that this stuff was so common now that people went back to staring at boobies rather than the moonscape.

Eh, I guess that's true enough. But as a reader, well, I could look at playboy for boobies; I was going to these guys for the space-monkeys.

47 @ Ace #40

Heinlein's tales of sex were never "defensive insertions".  The guy was a total swingin' dick perv who only got more verbose as he got older.  The last 3-4 books in the Lazarus Long series are essentially paeans to and justification for incest.

48 And the line he used, after their lovemaking (itself sort of awkwardly described), to describe the quiet calmness after sex, was "Silence was the greatest passion."
And, I don't know, I kind of laughed at that. It was so overwrought and lurid and Harold-Robbins-paperback. He was going into an area that wasn't his forte, defensively, maybe, and just not really doing it well

Yeah, I just finished "The Cardinal of the Kremlin" a couple months ago and it had a few quick forays into the sexy time.  Including some stuff about a lesbian who has a secret crush on a female co-worker.  It was written very awkwardly and kinda made me blush a bit.  It put some weird thought in my head about what he must be like with his wife (assuming he's married I guess).

49

And the problem I found is that these authors would *defensively* insert some sexuality into their books, and it always came across as forced at the best and risible at the worst.

Haven't read that much Heinlein, but that sounds like one of his.  The sexual tension was good, but it was contrived:  ("Here's the part where I talk about sex...")  But it was good.  Make no mistake.  And I had a crush on that replicant-style enhanced woman who had been rendered very nicely on the cover.

50 Good Night Moon!

51 One thing that bothered me about sci-fi as a kid is that it seemed these authors were very defensive about the charge made that there was no sex in their books, no real human sexuality to give the characters versimilitude, it was all gadgets and adventure and stuff.



ace, not sure if your aware of Asimov's Lecherous Limericks, but it contains about a hundred dirty limericks which he composed. Perhaps this was a way he could express some of the suppressed sexuality that didn't appear so much in his other literary works. Some of them are quite ribald, but heres a tamer one from the first book:

There was a sweet girl of DecaturWho went to sea on a freighter. She was screwed by the master-An utter disaster- But the crew all made up for it later.

52

Titties and science.

53

I remember a line Tom Clancy inserted, I think, defensively, to prove he was an "adult writer" and not just writing boy's adventure books.

Snort.  You had me at "boy's adventure books."

54

And, I don't know, I kind of laughed at that. It was so overwrought and lurid and Harold-Robbins-paperback. He was going into an area that wasn't his forte, defensively, maybe, and just not really doing it well.

Like afterthought Michaelangelo tits.

55 Ace,
How quickly you forget who our President is.
Spend money on the moon?

A rat done bit my sister Nell.
(with Whitey on the moon)
Her face and arms began to swell.
(and Whitey's on the moon)
I can't pay no doctor bill.
(but Whitey's on the moon)
Ten years from now I'll be payin' still.
(while Whitey's on the moon)
The man jus' upped my rent las' night.
('cause Whitey's on the moon)
No hot water, no toilets, no lights.
(but Whitey's on the moon)
I wonder why he's uppi' me?
('cause Whitey's on the moon?)
I wuz already payin' 'im fifty a week.
(with Whitey on the moon)
Taxes takin' my whole damn check,
Junkies makin' me a nervous wreck,
The price of food is goin' up,
An' as if all that shit wuzn't enough:
A rat done bit my sister Nell.
(with Whitey on the moon)
Her face an' arm began to swell.
(but Whitey's on the moon)
Was all that money I made las' year
(for Whitey on the moon?)
How come there ain't no money here?
(Hmm! Whitey's on the moon)
Y'know I jus' 'bout had my fill
(of Whitey on the moon)
I think I'll sen' these doctor bills,
Airmail special
(to Whitey on the moon)

56

Heh, Tim McCarver sings in a CD he released.  Samples here.

57 ace;
your bashing heinlein is damn near blasphemous....

it's time for you to spend a couple of hours in the reading room penalty box with:

Farnham's Freehold.....

give it a whirl.....

/s

by the way... Cooper's Droop is not an issue on the moon. That at least is a positive I suppose..

58 I suspect you're not thinking of either Asimov or Heinlein, but rather Varley.

59 On another note, barring some basic advance in space flight or energy production, I don't think we'll ever have a moonbase, no matter how convenient moon water is.  Hate to turn it into a left-right thing, but the left always seems to have it's eyes on the muck, not the sky.  Maybe not "the left"; maybe "half."

60 I swear I had the same thing in my head when I heard
there's water in theme there hills! glad I didnt do a post lol
is Ace a Gen-Xer too?

61 water=life

did they look in the samples for frozen little sea monkey bacteria?

62 There is nothing in the history of Man that does not involve banging chicks , period , end of sentence .

63 62 There is nothing in the history of Man that does not involve banging chicks , period , end of sentence .

I bang chicks to get red orbs to level up my weapons and magic. 

Although in GoW3, Stig Asmussen said that I do get to have a sex mini-game, although not with humans (?).

64
I liked Heinlein's Starship Troopers and Stranger In a Strange Land fine enough as a kid, but if you want to pick up where Heinlein left off, probably out of necessity for the times, try Joe Haldeman's The Forever War series.

Ridley Scott is bringing it to the big screen.

65 There is nothing in the history of Man that does not involve banging chicks , period , end of sentence .

It's always nice to have clear objectives.

66

not sure which one Ace is specifically referring to, but I noticed that several writers from that era would tend to go off on sexual tangents.  Spider Robinson, anyone?

I think the only Heinlien I've managed to finish was "The Cat Who Walks Through Walls."  Was pretty decent for a sci fi mystery, until about the last third or so of the book, then it just got so loopy and out there I barely finished it.

I've been told that Heinlien had a habit of writing several books at once.  At some point, he had some sort of 'condition' (like going nuts), and that several of the books in that time frame started good, then went totally off the wall.

Asimov was also quite the perv too.  An aquaintance of mine told me that she and her husband met him at a convention once, spoke with him for a while, and as he came in to give her a hug, reached up for a handful!

67 was just searching the google for 'sci fi authors penthouse forum'. some stoopit results, but no direct hits.

68 and, apparently, Orwell was pro-life.

69

The Moon Is A Harsh Mistress rules.  And mostly because of that sexual-utopian stuff.

And we want to live on the Moon to escape Earth's gravity well.  Earth is warping the very fabric of spacetime.

Seriously.

70 @33 Ace's liver..........
control the moon and you control Earth.... once you nudge a big ass rock away from the moon's influence it becomes a fairly decent kinetic weapon.....

change must come at the end of a barrel of a gun....? by Anita (I love to suck Mao's cock) Dunn

71 I bang chicks to get red orbs to level up my weapons and magic.

This explains the chaos in your life .

72 I just finished reading a hardcore tin-foil book called "Dark Mission" about NASA. Supposedly there's tons of cr@p on the moon and Mars, lotsa ruins and such. It's a long book and at the end, I decided the author was seeing things that weren't there about 70% of the time.

But... regarding that other 30% of the time... wow. Just wow.

For fun, google "ruins on the moon" or "ruins on Mars."

FYI, the backstory is that the government will not tell us about anything found on the moon or Mars, because we will be thrown into a panic like the "War of the Worlds" broadcast. So they are hiding it from us.  At least, that's the tinfoil version.

73 and, apparently, Orwell was pro-life.

Posted by: evil midnight bomber what bombs at midnight at November 13, 2009 07:02 PM (hCQG5)

Orwell by 1940's standards was considered to be quite liberal, socialist even. 1984 was basically a warning to utopian socialists like himself how tyranny can corrupt even the most well intentioned of movements as far as he was concerned and turn them into dystopian nightmares.

By todays standards, like JFK, Orwell would be considered a neo-con.

74

I bang chicks to get red orbs to level up my weapons and magic. 

A godling has gotta do what he's gotta do.

75 and, apparently, Orwell was pro-life.

The guy who had an apple drop on his head and became kinda famous, spent a lot of his time studying the Bible and calculating the exact date of the end of time. He figured 2060. Which is kinda strange. Then some famous 20th century economist, that every (D) uses to justify the govmint spending one hellofalot more money than it takes in, bought up his research papers. Which is even more strange.

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76 I look at the awkard descriptions of sex as being one of the things that let you know it's real sci-fi. The wooden two-dimensional characters are another must.

77 That, and naked moon-jugs floating around rambunctiously like one of Kevin Bacon's space-socks, and I think we can secure funding.

Actually, long-term zero-g or low-g living would more probably lead to bone-loss, respiratory and circulatory problems (because fluid in zero-g pools in the center-of-mass), and probably the complete loss of breast tissue in women over time (tissue redistribution and loss of fatty tissue). People who live in space for a long period of time would probably be very thin and somewhat barrel-chested. The radiation exposure would probably play hell with cancer rates and birth defects unless some mitigating technology is found.

But I do like the zero-g bouncing-boobies, so I will tell science to fuck right off.

78 But I do like the zero-g bouncing-boobies, so I will tell science to fuck right off.

Posted by: Monty at November 13, 2009 07:19 PM (nTxjg)

Me too, which is why only Amazon Women should be allowed tolive On The Moon.

79 For fun, google "ruins on the moon" or "ruins on Mars."

I've seen some of the images quite some time ago, and while quite, quite, quite sober said WTF? about a hundred times.

^{And I've never been abducted by aliens or anally probed.}

80 The book you're talking about sounds like Heinlein, but not The Moon Is A Harsh Mistress, unless by the time I read that I'd already read enough Heinlein to automatically filter out all the groovy swingin'. I think it was quite a while before his "Wh.. Is this guy going to hump his neice?" period anyway. Loonie society was different from Earth society mainly because it was a penal colony. Men outnumbered women, and what government there was was more like prison guards, so most justice was carried out informally. So if there were topless women all over the place, it was probably supposed to show that they were held in such high regard that they know they're safe wherever they go, because anyone accosting them would be thrown out of an airlock. I think that's the book that "An armed society is a polite society" comes from. But I think the groovy naked moon basketball game is from something else.

81 control the moon and you control Earth.... once you nudge a big ass rock away from the moon's influence it becomes a fairly decent kinetic weapon.....

Control the earth?  Hardly.  Nuclear weapons make all that kind of stuff sort of pointless from a cost/benefit perspective.

82 The narrator of Harsh Mistress is a native Loonie, as are almost all the main characters - conspirators in a rebellion against the Federated Nations of Earth. The first Earthworm who figures in the plot turns up halfway through, and he's a pretty unflappable guy.

83

If the moon is full of H3 and aluminum, then it will have better factories than earth does.

We need to send little robots to start building a paradise up there.  They get tired so easily with their solar cells.

84

But I do like the zero-g bouncing-boobies, so I will tell science to fuck right off.

With inertia, sympathetic vibrations and stuff, all but the most securly brassiered (metal, plastic composite) would appear to have minds of their own. 

85

The Sierra Club will contact the O-hole and he'll designate the entire moon a wilderness area and off-limits to building and exploration.

And the next president will repeal all that nonsense and move Gitmo there.

86 Thats all good, but Mars ain't the kind of place to raise your kids, in fact it's cold as hell,and there's no one there to raise them if you did.

Posted by: Blazer at November 13, 2009 06:15 PM (+FzLa)

gonna have to go with THREADWINNER here. well played sir, well played.

87 And the line he used, after their lovemaking (itself sort of awkwardly described),

As a teen, I remember reading a bunch of Clancy novels, and actually noting the lack of sex. Then reading one (I can't remember which book it was) where sex suddenly shows up - Jack bangs his wife in a hotel (they're trying to conceive) - and the description was exactly like what Clancy would use to describe the function of a piece of machinery. Very peculiar.

I do wish Clancy would write something new though, even if the last few books sucked.

88

Blazer @ 30

Nice Quote ya got there. thx

89 I do wish Clancy would write something new though, even if the last few books sucked.

Posted by: Waterhouse at November 13, 2009 07:46 PM (I/dT5)

Have you read Red Storm Rising? Best Clancy novel ever imo.

90 @81
i don't want to get all cost benefit on you... however; 1/6 earth g means boosting rocks from luna is a lot cheaper.... line up a whole lot of "big ass" rocks to quell the Earth and a whole lot of "little ass" rocks to intercept nukes.... et viola...

keep in mind the tof (time of flight). both the earth and the moon have plenty of time to see it coming.... but once again the cost of a rock verses a nuke is probably different. also a nuke impact on the moon is negligible from an environmental standpoint and might even loosen up enough debris to create an ad hoc missile shield...couple that with putting your launch system on the dark side...

all you need is a glorified slingshot and you're in business

91 My best friend ruined Clancy for me with one word:  "contrived."  I had just finished one and was raving about it.  Never read another.

92 Mannie...?

93 Water in the moon hills?

Must've forgotten to turn it off when I left....

94 Raised and regemental...hero

95 @89
I have to agree Red Storm was his best. I spent many nights playing the game on my C-64 and later on a pc. Also it was the book that should have been made into a movie.

96 I have to agree Red Storm was his best. I spent many nights playing the game on my C-64 and later on a pc. Also it was the book that should have been made into a movie.

Posted by: sig at November 13, 2009 08:38 PM (2i+Vz)

My thoughts exactly. Not sure how they could pull it off now being it took place during the cold war but I always wanted to see it on film as well.

97 I was more of a Space1889 fan myself.

98 Larry Bond and not Clancy was the prime mover behind Red Storm Rising (even though Clancy got cover-credit). Bond wrote some other good books in the following years under his own name (Cauldron being the best, about a second Korean war). Red Storm was largely based on a paper-based wargame called HARPOON that I used to play all the time.

And if you liked an alt-history where the US and Russia go toe-to-toe, Eric L. Harry wrote a great novel called Arc Light that describes a limited US-Russian nuclear exchange followed by an American invasion of Russia. That book was a surprise because I really wasn't expecting much, and it was so damned good I've been pushing it on people ever since. It's out of print now, alas, but you can still find used copies if you hunt around. Highly, highly recommended.

99 Red Phoenix, not Cauldron. My bad. Cauldron was actually a silly book where France ends up going to war with America. It was really kind of dumb. Red Phoenix was good, though.

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101 And if you liked an alt-history where the US and Russia go toe-to-toe, Eric L. Harry wrote a great novel called Arc Light that describes a limited US-Russian nuclear exchange followed by an American invasion of Russia. That book was a surprise because I really wasn't expecting much, and it was so damned good I've been pushing it on people ever since. It's out of print now, alas, but you can still find used copies if you hunt around. Highly, highly recommended.

Posted by: Monty at November 13, 2009 09:16 PM (nTxjg)

Arc Light was epic. I read that several years ago after finding it in the local library. Thanks for reminding me, I see Amazon has it listed, may go and purchase it. Definitely warrants another read.

102 i don't want to get all cost benefit on you... however; 1/6 earth g means boosting rocks from luna is a lot cheaper.... line up a whole lot of "big ass" rocks to quell the Earth and a whole lot of "little ass" rocks to intercept nukes.... et viola...

Yeah... sure... if you don't consider your moon base in your cost calculations.  If you do, your rocks may as well be made out of bublejet printer ink for what they're gonna cost you.  You couldn't build such a base for less than, what, $100bn or so, and your ongoing costs would be enormous.  For the price I could build tens of thousands of nuclear-tipped ICBMs.

103 How long before enviro-wackos take action to prevent lunar H2O exploitation?  Because, you know, it's exploitation...

104 #89...oh, fuck both you guys, Monty beat me to it at #98.

Small bit of trivia. The first US soldier to die in Red Phoenix died in the Honor Guard Company's back guard shack at Hilltop House (the four-star's residence). I pulled my first ever shift in Honor Guard Company back there in August '99. My team leader thought he'd play fuck-around and try sneaking up on me and I fucking near put a pair of 9mm's in him.

Arc Light was good. Jack Henderson's Circumference of Darkness was much better. The old self-published iUniverse edition is better, but Jack is good people. Great book. When Bantam picked up the book, he changed the ending a bit to allow for a sequel, which he told me is underway. I recommend it to all AoSHQ readers.

I've been on a Tom Kratman and John Ringo rampage over the last year.

Clancy summed up the romantic difficulties in his writing with 'What the fuck do I know about sex? I'm a married Catholic." Too bad he couldn't get over his taste for young strange. His wife Wanda took his ass to the motherfucking cleaners, and rightfully so, for his cheating. They'd been married since he was still selling insurance for a living. I wrote a reader review on Amazon where I said he'd rushed the ending of Rainbow Six in order to make an alimony payment on time. The Bear And The Dragon was a lot better in concept, if not always execution. I can still read The Hunt For Red October and enjoy it.

105 Oh, and Heinlein. Yes, he and his wife apparently got polyamorous later in life. Ignore it. I do. I don't give a fuck about writers' love lives.

Heinlein's essentials for me: Starship Troopers, Glory Road, Fifth Column, and a lot of the essays on patriotism and survivalism (he was convinced we'd lose WWIII and we'd have to win WWIV with rocks and guerilla tactics) that are now only found in Expanded Universe.

You want a good Moon read? Back To The Moon by retired NASA engineer Homer Hickham.

106 "You couldn't build such a base for less than, what, $100bn or so, and your ongoing costs would be enormous.  For the price I could build tens of thousands of nuclear-tipped ICBMs."

Bam Bam will make sure that we won't even have the $100B to make the scenario interesting...
with President Shitwad's redistributive change plan we should be back to smashing skull's with a femur in about a decade or so....

(Dave...?)

107

I like a lot of Heinlein's books.  Yes, his later books have some of that "free love" stuff but that's never the emphasis of the books.  Frequent themes running through the stories are liberty for the individual and taking responsibility for your actions (per The Moon is a Harsh Mistress:  "There ain't no such thing as a free lunch").

Starship Troopers is my favorite.  He made an argument in that book that the right to vote was too important to be exercised by everyone.  People had to serve several years in the military and then, after discharge, became "citizens" with the ability to vote.  No public service equaled no vote.

I have to agree with Heinlein that universal suffrage is destructive to the Republic.  We have too many people voting for panderers promising freebies that have to be paid for somehow.

 

108 You don't like Heinlein ! What 's wrong with you !

/Back to lurking

109 Ace, "Red Nails" is still my goto Conan story.
What's this sex stuff everybody's talking about? Is it some new game?

110 Sorry I was off doing something and got back late.
Good reads if you like Sub stories.  Books by Patrick Robinson
Kind of like Clancy
Arnold Morgan Series
01. Nimitz Class (1997)
02. Kilo Class (199
03. H.M.S. Unseen (1999)
04. Seawolf (2000) - aka U.S.S. Seawolf
05. The Shark Mutiny (2001)
06. Barracuda 945 (2003)
07. Scimitar Sl2 (2004)
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Why? 4 words:

Take The High Ground

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Finding water on the moon means we can colonize it.  When the Air Force sets up a bare base in an austere region, the only requirements are that it be flat enough for a runway and have a water source.  Water is heavy and expensive to fly in.  It's even more expensive to loft into space.  It costs $10,000 to lift one pound into orbit and water weighs six pounds per gallon.  You would need a train of water mules to hydrate a colony on a bone dry moon.

As for space colonies devolving into hippie communes full of free sex, it's not gonna happen.  Bonding off into pairs is a habit formed from millions of years of human evolution, proven to work.  It probably was established when humans first stood erect and began having sex in the missionary position.

The Oneida colony tried this free sex stuff a century ago, where any male could have sex with any female in the colony.  It turns out all the men were lining up to have sex with the best-looking women, who were doing triple duty testing the sexual freedom experiment.  The women soon put a kibosh on the sexual freedom and went back to old fashioned sexual pair bonding.  That whole alternate lifestyle experiment at Oneida died out.  Now all that's left of it is the Oneida silverware you buy at Macy's.  I suspect there are a lot of ruined geodesic domes scattered across America that can provide witness to the failure of the hippies to make sexual freedom work, which was a scam run by men to get sex from women without that pesky responsibility.

118

Having all of your dangly-parts floating about willy-nilly sounds like a bug not a feature.  I like my dangly parts to stay exactly where I placed them.

And seeing most humans sans-clothing - no thanks.  I've been to Miamai Beach/South Beach.  I like to keep some illusions intact.

119

And on this space and sex theme - the Traveller game.  A free trader gets its cargo and jumps from the proper jump zone towards the next world's delineated jump-exit zone.  The ship has a week in jump.  Plenty of time to clean the interior of the ship, plenty of time to make the parts-room in the engine room as clean and orderly as an admiral's stateroom.  And otherwise just monitoring the equipment.

What else is the crew doing?  Watching entertainment programs, playing games (cribbage tournaments are likely to be popular), qualifying on different ship systems, getting required drills out of the way.  Still - there is a lot of time doing nothing, so - space-sex!

(remember to sign on some young, good-looking female crew)

120 Judging by the posts, I think a lot of people need to go back and read The Moon is a Harsh Mistress again.  Most of the comments seem wildly off from what was actually in the book. 

121 If you want to see weightless boobs< what man doesn't, go skinny dipping at night, in a swimming pool, with a light.  Very cool.

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