1 Obama: Destroying America One Decision at a Time.

2 But treating this kind of thing as violative of criminal law worked so well for the Clinton administration!

3

Umm... anybody else having problems playing this? 

I think it is a firefox issue.  Why do people develop web tools that don't work on a major browser?

4 Pres'Ent Toonces: Losing the wars, we'd already won.

5

The truth is it's a power play by a far left President who is looking for political payback. This decision will weaken the United States and endanger the lives of Americans.

True, Drew...so fucking true

6

 "This decision will weaken the United States and endanger the lives of Americans."

That type of rhetoric turns off moderates. Careful.

7

Umm... anybody else having problems playing this? 

Nope...and I'm using IE7. I tried Firefox and had nothing but trouble with it

8
We need Rudy in Washington. He'd make a great senator.

9

As long as we're moving the prisoners and the venue, I suggest we move the whole fucking thing to Australia so we can have a real kangaroo court.

We are so fucked.

Thanks 52% When we get hit again I'm coming after some of your asses.

10
What did you think a college-faculty-administration would do?

11 Oh I can't believe that this is  "a power play by a far left President who is looking for political payback."
Oh I suppose that in some fevered portion of the Holder/Obama 'brain' this might look to the deluded as a 'good thing' to 'get that F888^&* Bush and cabal. But I'm sure that vision disappeared when the 'brain' woke up.

I used to find the 'conspiracy' theory of Obama interesting until I discovered the 'Chancey' theory of Obama. Think of Mr. Gardiner with an elite edumacation. An idiot savant if you will.
This is yet another colossal mistake in a long line of Obama mistakes. But he's not engaged in 'payback' . He's just in EVERY situation in Way Over His Head, BUT his ego won't let him face that dire little fact.
So we get an endless parade of just really really Stupid Actions.
Just grab the popcorn and enjoy the show. It won't go on for all that much longer in the BIG scheme of things. Athough Obama Days DO seem to have the actual length of 6 or 7 'reality' days.

12

Sarah Palin, not too happy either...from Facebook...

Horrible decision, absolutely horrible. It is devastating for so many of us to hear that the Obama Administration decided that the 9/11 terrorist mastermind, Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, will be given a criminal trial in New York. This is an atrocious decision.

Mohammed and his terrorist co-conspirators are responsible for the deaths of more than 3,000 Americans. Thousands of American families have suffered through the loss of loved ones because of the disgusting attacks launched against the United States, and now this trial venue adds insult to injury, in addition to compromising our efforts in the War on Terror. Heaven forbid our allies see this decision as a reason to become less likely to support our efforts in the future.

Criminal defense attorneys will now enter into delaying tactics and other methods in the hope of securing some kind of win for their “clients.” The trial will afford Mohammed the opportunity to grandstand and make use of his time in front of the world media to rally his disgusting terrorist cohorts. It will also be an insult to the victims of 9/11, as Mohammed will no doubt use the opportunity to spew his hateful rhetoric in the same neighborhood in which he ruthlessly cut down the lives of so many Americans.

It is crucially important that Americans be made aware that the mastermind of the 9/11 attacks may walk away from this trial without receiving just punishment because of a “hung jury” or from any variety of court room technicalities. If we are stuck with this terrible Obama Administration decision, I like most Americans, hope that Mohammed and his co-conspirators are convicted. Hang ‘em high.

I wholeheartedly support the survivors and the families of the victims in their appeal to the president regarding this matter. You can read more about it here.

- Sarah Palin

13 Sarah Palin just went off over this too. She seems pretty pissed:

Obama Administration's Atrocious Decision

Today at 1:39pm

Horrible decision, absolutely horrible. It is devastating for so many of us to hear that the Obama Administration decided that the 9/11 terrorist mastermind, Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, will be given a criminal trial in New York. This is an atrocious decision.

Mohammed and his terrorist co-conspirators are responsible for the deaths of more than 3,000 Americans. Thousands of American families have suffered through the loss of loved ones because of the disgusting attacks launched against the United States, and now this trial venue adds insult to injury, in addition to compromising our efforts in the War on Terror. Heaven forbid our allies see this decision as a reason to become less likely to support our efforts in the future.

Criminal defense attorneys will now enter into delaying tactics and other methods in the hope of securing some kind of win for their “clients.” The trial will afford Mohammed the opportunity to grandstand and make use of his time in front of the world media to rally his disgusting terrorist cohorts. It will also be an insult to the victims of 9/11, as Mohammed will no doubt use the opportunity to spew his hateful rhetoric in the same neighborhood in which he ruthlessly cut down the lives of so many Americans.

It is crucially important that Americans be made aware that the mastermind of the 9/11 attacks may walk away from this trial without receiving just punishment because of a “hung jury” or from any variety of court room technicalities. If we are stuck with this terrible Obama Administration decision, I like most Americans, hope that Mohammed and his co-conspirators are convicted. Hang ‘em high.

I wholeheartedly support the survivors and the families of the victims in their appeal to the president regarding this matter. You can read more about it here.

- Sarah Palin

14 Not a lawyer, but if the charges are read and the defendants plead guilty, does the government have to enter evidence?  Andy McCarthy is a lawyer and I believe his concerns are valid, but if the government knows it has a deal with KSM et al to offer them the martyrdom they so fervently desire it's possible that this will work out well.

Of course, it's possible this will work out very poorly.  I prefer situations that limit the downside risk, and this seems like a situation with major downside risk.  KSM or his lawyers may be smart enough to just say, "I didn't say any of that, they tortured me into a confession, prove your case" -- at which point every intelligence method we own and every asset we have or ever hope to have is suddenly fair game, or the government drops its case.  Either way, we'll refer to the period before the trial as "when we had a national intelligence system."

If that happens, if KSM and his friends walk -- oh, man.  There is always someone to blame..."Under the inhumane and illegal practices of the former President..."  I don't believe that one will wash.  I bet you could find Buddhists to push the plungers on these guys, if Obama/Holder screw up and these guys walk, political life as the American hard-left knows it is over.

15

Posted by: Cooper at November 13, 2009 05:39 PM (DXHVe)

Well fuck me.  You beat me by mere SECONDS!

16
KSM walks. No doubt about it. I don't see how the evidence against him could possibly be allowed in a criminal court: I doubt if they read KSM his Miranda rights as they were screwing the information out of him.

And so, the murderer of Americans will return to the Middle East, where he will be cheered to the echo by the multitudes. No about it.

Thanks again, 52.

17 The truly sad thing: AG Holder will find a way to try a Bush era CIA operative before he actually gets around to trying KSM.

18 Headline:

KSM found innocent! George Bush and several CIA operatives found guilty, Dick Cheney also found guilty sentenced to be beheaded.

19

This is yet another colossal mistake in a long line of Obama mistakes. But he's not engaged in 'payback' . He's just in EVERY situation in Way Over His Head, BUT his ego won't let him face that dire little fact.

Yeah, he's more interested in looking good and feeling good about himself to base a decision like this solely on payback, not that it's not one of the reasons.  A while back Uncle Jimbo wrote a nice post about the half-baked, sophomoric nature of O'Bama's political ideas.  He runs things like an arrogant brat would write a "great term paper."  His strongest motivator is the way her perceives his actions will make him appear in others' eyes.  It's kinda like Tom Wolfe's idea of radical chic.  It's more about O'Bama than the country, supporters, or anything else.

20 Giuliani was born to be Attorney General. He was dumb to ever go after anything else.

21 "Why did Rudy have to be such a schmuck over abortion and run such an awful, awful campaign?"  He's also a gun control schmuck.

22 Keep plucking that chicken, Barry!

23 If the charges are read and the defendants plead guilty, does the government have to enter evidence?

No, but why would they do that given the government just handed them even more than they ever wanted in the first place?  They can still get their martyrdom, but now they get a chance to strut their stuff on the world stage as well and have it drag on for a year or more.  They'd be fools not to take the Obamunists up on that offer.  Its manna from heaven.  From their POV they just won the MegaBucks lottery.

24

"Hang 'em high!" - Sarah Palin

 

I like the cut of her jib.

25 But treating this kind of thing as violative of criminal law worked so well for the Clinton administration!

At least they did that before 9/11, without the benefit of hindsight. This is after.

And McCarthy's piece at NRO is spot on, this is all about politics -- getting Bush -- again. The far distant secondary concern for this administration apparently is any concern for justice for the families of the 3000 victims.

26 This decision will weaken the United States and endanger the lives of Americans.

The first part of that statement is what Obama has been aiming for all along. The second, as hard as it might be for most of us to wrap our arms around, is something he appears to give short shrift to. This man is steering us directly into the mother of all storms.

27 Where oh were was *this* Rudy last year when he was running for prez?

28
With any luck Ramsey Clark will defend al-Rosie O'dabi and his friends.

29 Crazy talk:  It seems Obama is trying to amp up the conflict and tensions in this country- everything from calling the Cambridge cop stupid to having a trial for KSM in NEW YORK CITY.   Does he want someone to crack, to take advantage of yet another emergency??

30 You people need to stop worrying about this chickenshit, and start watching Obama's other hand.

31 Anyone else think Dear Leader's numbers will drop again because of this decision?

32 Lee, I was being sarcastic.  Clinton's angle created more violence like 9-11, among other things.

33

This is payback for the kos/huffpo koolaid drinking klowns. It's more about Bush than justice.

Simply pathetic but not suprising.

34 ...is something he appears to give short shrift to...

Its not that he discounts it per se, what happens to other people simply doesn't matter to him.  FWIW, not giving s hit about the lives of others is one of the classic symptoms of NPD.  For a narcissist, other people are simply tools to be used and discarded after they've served their purpose.

35 1 Obama: Destroying America One Decision at a Time.

C'mon, give the guy credit.  He doesn't even have to make a decision to fock up.  Just look at Afghanistan. 

36 This is exactly why I keep my powder dry, including the flour!

37

They will all be acquitted, no miranda, torture. Have fun with that Odumbass

38 America has become an idiocracy and elected a dumbass as its leader.  The problem with a democracy is that you get the leadership you deserve. What upsets me most of all are those idiotic REPUBLICANS who couldn't bring themselves to vote for McCain and didn't vote.  Each ballot not cast was a ballot for Obama.

Any time I hear one of those idiots gloating about not voting for McCain, I respond by saying "you ended up voting for Obama".  And at that point I don't really want to hear anything more they have to say because those Republicans own this President, they elected him.

39

Crazy talk:  It seems Obama is trying to amp up the conflict and tensions in this country- everything from calling the Cambridge cop stupid to having a SHOW trial for KSM in NEW YORK CITY.  

FIFY.  Like DougF indictes, it such a drumbeat because it's part of who O'Bama is.  Expect more.  He'll take advantage of every opportunity to posture and pirouette in the mirror.

Oh, yeah.   We aren't a great country; we're merely a mirror or a potential mirror--a mirror of his self-perception.

40 Everyone wonders if the terrorist's buddies will make a play to break them out.  How much a kick in the pants would it be for an American to kill the accused fuckers while they sit in the courtroom?  That is about the only way this thing ends well for anyone.

Obama has shit for brains. 

Why didn't the press corp ask Holder some of the obvious questions;

1: When was the Sheik Mirandized?
2:  What kind of evidence trail was kept?
3:  Can they make a case without resorting to information gained through questionable interrogation methods?
4:  Who has jusridiction?
5:  What intelligence methods and sources are we willing to give up for the purpose of giving the terrorists a forum to spill their bilge?
6:  What if the guy is found innocent?
7:  What if he walks on a technicality?

I am sure President Gardener did not think of any of these issues.  He simply is not capable of thinking things through in a rational manner.  I don't believe his attention span is long enough.

On the positive side in his mind, this will buy him some street cred with the left, it will embolden the conspiracy lunatics, it will provide a much needed distraction from his reign of terror over the economy, it will reward the lawyer's guild with preeminence of place and it will be a way to get back at Bush and at the allies who stuck with us when we were down.

Idiot is too weak a word for what we have in the White House.  Traitor and enemy fit the bill so much better,

41 This is the single most blatant political driven display of ignorance that I have ever witnessed.

To be clear, Obama is bringing these terrorists to NY to put the previous administration on trial, to utterly destroy our intelligence gathering capabilities and either a complete mockery of our Justice system or worse, set president on laws that could effect "other" citizens, being we have been tossed into the same boat via consititutional rights.

There is no way, NO WAY, as Rudy G said, that this trial could take place in NY unless we "alter" the stark realities of our judicial system and just turn our heads, wink and pretend that the could get a fair trial there.

Now that these terrorists have the identical rights that you and I have, set them free.I mean, I don't want the Government snatching me in the middle of the night for trying to skirt National Healthcare payments, tossing me in prison for 5 years before I get a trial, hence, trampling my constitutional rights.

What scares the Hell out of me the most about this is how our laws "need" to be altered to logically be able to hold a trial after bestowing our rights on them and actually put them in jail or execute them, it's a farce in the purest sense of the word.

Then of course, Obama could go the route of what I call the "Law and Order" routine, heck, many people watch the show and everyone knows that when some mean yahoo cop tramples a citizens rights, then that bad guy goes free and we are all left being pissed off at the yahoo cop.....AKA..... GWB.

Just remember, it wasn't the judge, it wasn't Bush or Cheney, it wasn't the CIA and it wasn't Holder.

It was Obama who set up this freak show, everything that comes next is on him.

42

#39 x-post #34, PA

43 Why doesn't Obama just have a muslim doctor examine Ron Jeremy , I mean Mohammed and declare he has terminal kidney disease and release him as a humanitarian gesture.  He probably would if he could.

44 Clinton did this too.  Tried to "criminalize" terrorism.  Didn't work.

45

#37 Absol-floggin-lutely

Doesn't even need torture, some Lib jury will acquit them just to stick it to the Bush Admin, just like Libby was convicted, not because he was actually guilty but because the jury wanted a Bush Admin scalp and his the only available one.

46 To further elaborate what Darren said at #14, we had them pleading guilty in a military tribunal, but Obama is risking a helluva lot should this thing go wrong, and a lot can, as in:

~ a hung jury due to one idiot slipping through, and wanting to make a political point
~ sensitive intel getting out.
~ word that our soldiers are reading Miranda rights on the battlefield.
~ a lot of country-loving Americans getting pretty sick of America sucks on the nightly news every night from these terrorists at trial, with condescending liberals repeating that we asked for it. (Bush may have been unpopular towards the end, but only that hard core left won't be repulsed by the shitting on folks will be trying to give him. [see msnbc's ratings])
~ a terror attack, lone wolf or more elaborate, during or shortly after the trial

Any of these things would send Obama's popularity sinking like a stone, and for what, to get in another jab at Bush?

Risking his whole presidency on a bit of petulance concerning his predecessor?

With decision making skills like that in the Oval Office, we are screwed.

47 Hmmm...so we should expect some choice words from Leon Panetta directed toward Eric Holder once again?

48 Crazy talk:  It seems Obama is trying to amp up the conflict and tensions in this country- everything from calling the Cambridge cop stupid to having a trial for KSM in NEW YORK CITY.   Does he want someone the patriots to crack, to take advantage of yet another emergency??

Yes.

49 Leon Panetta is a weakling.  He may have strong words, but that's all it will be; words. 

And Hillary won't say a freaking word about it, because her husband did the same thing.  She was senator in NY on 9/11, but she'll be quiet.  Disgraceful.

50

but Obama is risking a helluva lot should this thing go wrong, and a lot can, as in:

Also a painful show-trial that will result in many ocular injuries from all the extreme eye-rolling.

51

The ACLU is calling for an investigation into the treatment and alleged torture of KSM. Pictures of KSM have been released showing brutal henous treatment has befallen him while in captivity. http://tinyurl.com/4fcqfx

52 Sorry, Montage, I knew what you were getting at.

I was trying for a "Clinton admin was bad, but holy shit this admin is ten times worse" type of follow up.

It sounded better in my head.

53 Bloomberg: It is fitting...

What a complete cocksucker.

54 "If that happens, if KSM and his friends walk -- oh, man. There is always someone to blame..."

Therein lies the problem for Obama - if he's not open to the possibility that Khalid may walk, then why exactly is he trying him? If he's granting him a trail on US soil, is he not innocent until proven guilty? And what happens if he's not found guilty BARD? Then what? This is a boneheaded decision all around and only makes sense if one assumes that Holder et al are a bunch of morons, or they really believe trying him in NY will somehow vicariously indict Bush and his approach to the GWOT. What it really says is that Obama and his crew are weak as hell and will fold easily. I'll say this, if he goes forward with this and we get hit at all in terms of terrorism, then his presidency is over. I guess he's willing to roll the dice on that one.

55

On the bright side, this will be a boost for Rudy's gubernatorial campaign, should he decide to run one.

56 Rudy run for Governor!

sidenote: damn I haven't posted on here in awhile/all that much the last 3 or so weeks, life's fault I guess and by life i mean job search/writing/and gf

57 #30 Dick
You people need to stop worrying about this chickenshit, and start watching Obama's other hand.



This is exactly what I was thinking, my God, if they televise this farce it will be mass hypnosis.By the time the trial is over there may be billboards and statues in every town across the country of Obama standing ramrod straight with a sickle and hammer in each hand.

58 I think Delta Burke is the woman for me

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60 damn RNC going hard against blue dogs that are in trouble in latest ads, their even using Kerry in a flip-flop strategy

61 "Why did Rudy have to be such a schmuck over abortion and run such an awful, awful campaign?"  He's also a gun control schmuck.

Posted by: Pelayo at November 13, 2009 05:45 PM (wwQxi)

And married three times. And had a best bud who was just convicted of 8 counts of tax fraud and lying to the White House.

62 I would haved loved to have a chance to hit Bea Arthur

63

Think about what O'Bama was raised around, retro hippie statist bastards.  In that sense, maybe there's a silver lining:  His presidency is a fluke, based on half-baked ideas and disproven sentiment, and, as such, it will be the last gasp of the religion of socialism--making the case crystal clear for all future generations. 

That retro ignorami was almost completely defeated until the two presidents Bush gave it new life and an opening in the last election.  (Bush 1's kindler, gentler, I-don't-need-Reagan's-playbook method of running the country.) 

64

It sounded better in my head.

Hah!  I do that frigging daily, my friend.  Whoo.  Thought I was the only one.

65

This decision will weaken the United States and endanger the lives of Americans.

Also a feature, not a bug.

66 Miss Hathaway used to give me wood.....her and Jed Clampett

67

Weekly Anthrax vaccines (obamycare) don't sound so bad now does it. Bitches.

With this trial barry hopes some "gun thumpin, bible clinger(?)" takes shot at the shiek. That will get him his civilian goon squad......"rule of law, blah, blah, blah". And since everyone will be EXPECTING an attack on NYC during this fiasco, he'll need to get the troops out of Iraq/A-stan for security here.

Viola'. One giant fuckup for a precedent, one hugerest fuckup for a once great nation. 

68 Palin-Rudy?  Rudy-Palin?  Nah, still Romney-Palin is the key.

69 This treasonous move will further accelerate the Democrat jihad they're waging on each other. This may, may have a silver lining.

70

71 OT... On Fox:  Willie "Cold Cash" Jefferson (D, LA) is sentenced to 13 years in the slammer!

72 Go ugg yourself

73 OT... On Fox:  Willie "Cold Cash" Jefferson (D, LA) is sentenced to 13 years in the slammer!

Thanks, I needed that today.

74 We need Rudy in Washington NY. He'd make a great senator governor.

FTFY

75

Experienced prosecutor here:

It will be interesting to see what SDNY charges KSM with. Remember, KSM is already under indictment in SDNY for the "Bojinka Plot" in '99.  SDNY will probably go big-- the entire 9-11 plot-- but it will be a tough prosecution. None of KSM's statements to US authorities come in as evidence because he was never read miranda warnings. Full stop there, folks. Nothing he's said will be used against him, torture or not. Miranda won't allow it. So, SDNY has to have a few cooperating witnesses, ideally one of the other slobs at Gtmo. These guys haven't exactly been falling over themselves to turn state's evidence though, have they? Hearsay statements from jihadis who won't or can't appear in court can't be used (thanks for US v Crawford, Nino!). My guess is SDNY is bettng KSM will formally plead guilty, or even better plead not guilty but brag about his role in planning/executing 9-11 in open court. I can't see how SDNY proves its case otherwise, with Miranda and Crawford standing in the way. If KSM just shuts his mouth, sits there and lets his defense counsel put Bush, Cheney, Yoo, Addington, etc on trial it could get very ugly for the prosecution. He's an alpha makle though, and will probably talk himself into a conviction. That's SDNY's gamble. They're not entirely screwed in the situation where he stays quiet though. They have him for Bojinka, which presumably was lined up for prosecution w/ good evidence long ago.  Remember, feds recently got al Marri, who was in the US for 9-11 follow on attacks on orders from UBL and KSM, on a credit card fraud guilty plea. Same thing w/ Padilla: overstying his visa, or some diminimus garbage like that. If the risk of embarassment and/or release of classified info becomes too great, they'll pull the plug on the big ticket prosecution-- 9-11, in this case-- and prosecute KSM for relatively piddling offenses.  The military tribunals cut short all of this stuff: a) crawford and miranda could be overcome with showings of reliability and voluntariness b) Gtmo's in the middle of nowhere and the media got sick of going down there just to give KSM publicity.  Now, he's a Broadway star. Incidentally, pity the  military prosecutors for Nashiri (USS Cole) and the other ones. First motion from defense counsel they're going to have to respond to: equal protection--a great argument, and I'll bet the miliatry judges-- who, if they aren't complete fools, see they're being set up-- dismiss on those grounds. Prediction-- in 2011, KSM convicted on lesser offense (Bojinka) the other guys get lessers as well (general material support for terrorism), the remaining military tribunal guys have charges dismissed and are evntaually repatriated. Will not be America's finest hour.

76 You guys have called O dumb, a savant etc.

It is there "straight up" the destruction of America.  This is step 4 moving on to Amnesty and Cap and Trade.

He only says what are his real intentions.
"I do not care if I have a second term"

This is the rush for all of these policies.
...America will never recover.  Amnesty, Cap and Trade, and Health Care
will now make us a nation of welfare losers.

He and his commie buddies with George Soros can then hang MISSION ACCOMPLISHED.

77 Also in regards to the 3000 killed on 9/11. That set off a chain of events that have led to the death and mutilation of American service men. He is on the hook for 10 of thousands of lives around the world not just the 3000 on 9/11. Who is this generations Jack Ruby?

78 And Obama sucks cock.

79

@75

Meant to add:

The equal protection  argument is "If KSM gets Miranda and Crawford protection, why doesn't my client?"

 

 

80

Why did Rudy have to be such a schmuck over abortion and run such an awful, awful campaign?

 

It was more the latter then the former which did him in. It's not easy to raise sixty million dollars and have great name recognition, yet get two delegates! in the primaries, but Rudy managed it. So much for that great executive experience.

81

I love that Rudy pointed out how George W. Bush kept us safe from another terror attack on American soil, and how we got hit after he left. 

This whole thing pisses me off to no end.  These terrorists are not American citizens.  They are not presumed to be innocent, they've already admitted their culpability in bringing down the Towers. They are not entitled to a trial with a jury of their peers.  Are in jihadis from Syria and Pakistan going to be flown in to sit on the jury?  KSM et al. were not Mirandaized when they were captured.  This whole thing could be thrown out of court.  This is such a disgusting political ploy.  Obama is trying so hard to placate his far left base and this is an insidious, underhanded way to criminalize the Bush administration, but this could really backfire on him, especially if these guys are acquitted or receive a minimal sentence. Rudy is spot on in all of his arguments.  I like his analogy "This would be like trying those who attacked Pearl Harbor in a Hawaii court."

Political Correctness is going to get us all killed.  Thanks a lot 52%'ers. 

82

i didn't get to read through all the posts but i'm not going to be anywhere nyc when this trial takes place...this is so far beyond a bad idea i can't even put it in to words....except maybe these, fuck obama and fuck holder and fuck the 52%.

 

83

"The truth is it's a power play by a far left President who is looking for political payback the Leftist political equivalent of tossing lit M-80s into a well-used outhouse.  This decision will weaken the United States and endanger the lives of Americans eventually strike methane, resulting in 50 different brands of lumpy turd gravy covering the Administration."

And yes, "weaken the United States and endanger the lives of Americans."

But Obama, Holder and Co. are incompetent and out of touch with the US public (i.e., reality).

I think that their actions will result in Congress eventually passing laws preventing their actions form occurring again in the future.

84 This fucking Administration just sold my Constitutional rights to foreign terrorists dirt cheap.

85 And Obama's out of the country. Arguably the single biggest decision he's made during his time in office and he's thousands of miles away. Moral courage, anyone?

86 You people need to stop worrying about this chickenshit, and start watching Obama's other hand.

You do realize we're capable of thinking of more than one thing at a time, right?

87 82 i didn't get to read through all the posts but i'm not going to be anywhere nyc when this trial takes place.

Good point.

Ace, you can hang out at our place when you have to evacuate your digs.  With any luck, the trial will be in winter so you can get the full benefit of the SoCal sunshine. 

88 This decision can't be seen as a good one by anything near a majority of Americans, even those that voted for this dick.  How low will this stupid decision drive his approval rating?

89 Oh it is going to get even better when the circus starts, KSM and the rest will follow the AQ manual and scream torture, human rights violations etc... if the court follow the law there is a very good chance the case's against them could be thrown out and much of the evidence thrown out also and if not just think of all the appeals all the way to the Supreme court these trials will be going on when my grandchildren start college what a cluster !@##$ this is going to be.

90

I've skimmed all the comments thus far and I have a question:  how did Obama and Holder think this was a good idea?  What kind of benefits do they think they can get?  Seriously, this decision seems like political suicide.  This will take down Obama (goodbye, second term) and everyone in the Democratic party along with him. 

Personally, I think that's a good thing but help me out, here:  why would Obama do this?  Just to screw George W. Bush?  Obama's lefty base can't be that big to ensure his political survival.

91

@90

They hope they can get a clean-ish conviction of KSM in federal court before the 2012 election. Then they can say: "Our way-- the right way-- gets results. Re-elect us."

92 If Obama was an idiot, random chance alone would result in about half of his decisions being the right ones. So far almost all of his decisions have been to the disadvantage of the US. This is deliberate.

93 FWIW, not giving s hit about the lives of others is one of the classic symptoms of NPD.

Isn't this more sociopathic than narcissistic?

94 O'Reilly rips Owe-bama a new one on this idiotic decision.

I say 70% of the country is gonna be PISSED over this crap.  20% won't care, and only 10% of the furthest left leftists are for it.

95 We have complete faith in the American justice system. Juries can always be trusted to do the right thing.

96

They hope they can get a clean-ish conviction of KSM in federal court before the 2012 election. Then they can say: "Our way-- the right way-- gets results. Re-elect us."

What results?  KSM was already captured.  In custody.  Raising him to the level of an accused criminal instead of a monster isn't even more punishment, its just legal nicety to make certain people feel better at their wine parties.

And I'm sure that bloodletting savages are not going to be deterred by the thought of winding up in court, versus, say, being shredded by Hellfires or waterboarded until they're broken as human beings.

97 Rudy 2012.

98

@96

I'm not endorsing the argument. I'm just putting it out there. Assuming Obama and Holder are fools, rather than the cynics Andy McCarthy thinks they are, they think a clean-ish conviction of KSM in federal court will "vindicate the rule of law."

99 They should put Obama and Holder on the jury.

100 I know I sound like a broken record (for those of you old enough to know what that means), but we need "regime change" real soon or the US may be permanently damaged if not destroyed by this man.

101 They should put Obama and Holder on the jury.

And give the defense two guaranteed "not guilty" votes?

102 38 ...Any time I hear one of those idiots gloating about not voting for McCain, I respond by saying "you ended up voting for Obama".  And at that point I don't really want to hear anything more they have to say because those Republicans own this President, they elected him.  Posted by: crosspatch >>> 63 ...That retro ignorami was almost completely defeated until the two presidents Bush gave it new life and an opening in the last election.  (Bush 1's kindler, gentler, I-don't-need-Reagan's-playbook method of running the country.) Posted by: You're Gonna Need a Montage (rdb)

Post #63 is why I think, in a sense, we would be even worse off if McLame had been elected. (btw, I did vote for him, left hand forcing the right to press that button, and managed that only because of Ms. Palin.)  Had McCain been the winner, an awful lot of us, myself included, would have merely relaxed and breathed a sigh of relief that ...whew, dodged another bullet there.  McSquishy and company would have continued leading us ever so gently down the path to pure socialism. Like the proverbial frog put into a pot of cold water.

Would anything short of the outcome of 2008's election and the resulting f**ckfest of insanity have woken so many of us up to the realization of what's happening to us and our freedom?   I think not.  We would have continued to give up our rights and freedoms...a little here, a little there, without even noticing them slipping away.  Slowly giving up the gift that rivers of blood have been and still are being shed to give us.

As it is, we may still have a chance to stop this runaway train.  I, for one, am glad to have been shaken out of my stupor and to see that I'm not alone in wanting to keep this country from becoming the USSA. 

No, it's not comfortable anymore. Yes, it's terribly inconvenient to have my life so rudely interrupted and have to focus on, and care about, and maybe even have to DO something about stuff I used to think just didn't concern me.  But here I am.  Along with the rest of you.  But I guess if I wake up some morning in re-edumuhcation camp, you guys won't be such bad company.  Sorry for the rant.  Thanks for letting me.

103

Rants are good.

The only problem with the it's-better-because-we're-being-jolted-awake argument, as Ace pointed out a few weeks ago, is that soldiers are dying while this douchebag is in office.  And that's the extreme negative.  There are a host of others of lesser import.

104

@81 runningrn

AMEN.

105

@103  ...soldiers are dying while this douchebag is in office.  And that's the extreme negative.  There are a host of others of lesser import.

Posted by: You're Gonna Need a Montage (rdb)

Yes, they are.  It makes me all the sicker that they are now (I believe) being used as political pawns.  Lives given for their country...being used by these...these...(insert defamatory word of choice here) to play their filthy power-mongering political games.  I pray God that if it becomes necessary, I'll have a fraction of  the courage of any one of our servicemen/women.  If it comes to dying for a cause, I just hope it'll be for something more noble than trying to protect my last can of beenie-weenies.

Which reminds me, I have to get home and see if the neighborhood thugs have finished the job of breaking into my house that they started yesterday while I was at work.

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107 I hate these people.

108 There was a Clintonista douchebag on CNN with Wolf B. claiming that KSM is going to be found guilty.  How many people thought that the O J Simpson murder trial was a "slam dunk" for the prosecution.  Well, here is another slam dunk for ya. 

109 "Is NYC Trial for 9/11 Mastermind the Right Call?"

110 Is there an over/under on the number of hijabs and burkas we can expect on the juries, yet?

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114 This is about trying to find a way to get the past administration on trial.  If terrorist get released as a result of some action by the former administration they will be happy to release these terrorist back on society.  Rudy's point is that the trial will take the basis of sept 10th and look at laws in place that were never designed for foreign terrorists.  The first time the government tries to block release of any information, the judge will demand its release or information gained will not be admissable. This has nothing to do with the terrorist and everything to do with the left wing administration trying to shore up their radical left who want to see Bush and Cheney called as witnesses and forced to give up information on programs that kept us safe.  If this goes wrong in any way for any reason, the democrats should pay a terrible price for decades to come in every election even for local dog catcher. 

115

Burn the left.

Spread the ashes over the most barren part of Death Valley, and till the ground until well mixed.

Then salt it, salt the fuck out of it.

 

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117 Mark my words on this...

...this is Obama trying to appease the muslim world by setting the detainees free. He accomplishes this by trying them in civilian court where they will get off on the technicality that they were never mirandized. This is what the president intends to happen.

118 Bill Clinton was a scumbag and I utterly loathed him---but as much harm as he did America as president, I don't recall ever feeling this much RAW FEAR for my life as I do with Obama and all his Communist buddies and czars/commissars.

I couldn't stop thinking about the tortured and slaughtered children of Beslan. And how our intelligence people found photos, videos and maps of American grade schools in the possession of terrorist cells they busted in the years after 9/11. The Muslim monsters have infiltrated our military, they're being emboldened by our appeasing surrender-monkey president, and they never have quit threatening to start going after shopping malls and elementary schools.

I have school-age children. This morning when I heard about this INSANITY with Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, I just lost it completely. I cried and cried until I couldn't cry anymore.

How bad does it have to get---how many more innocent Americans have to die---before the sleeping masses finally GET IT?

In a sane society, Barack Obama would already be impeached and tried for treason.

119

Thanks, aurelius, I guess that sounds "rational" to Dems (dumb as hell to me, though).  If Obama's counting on a "guilty" verdict I hope he's not holding his breath.  Actually, he can go ahead and hold his breath. 

120 38 [...]What upsets me most of all are those idiotic REPUBLICANS who couldn't bring themselves to vote for McCain and didn't vote.  Each ballot not cast was a ballot for Obama.

Any time I hear one of those idiots gloating about not voting for McCain, I respond by saying "you ended up voting for Obama".  And at that point I don't really want to hear anything more they have to say because those Republicans own this President, they elected him.

Posted by: crosspatch

Agree 100%

121 Crazy talk:  It seems Obama is trying to amp up the conflict and tensions in this country- everything from calling the Cambridge cop stupid to having a trial for KSM in NEW YORK CITY.   Does he want someone to crack, to take advantage of yet another emergency??

Posted by: GregInSeattle at November 13, 2009 05:50 PM (B5cM9)

BINGO. 

That's the plan.

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122 Just a reminder from Pamela:  KSM confessed to beheading Daniel Pearl.
Go remind yourself just what kind of human scum KSM is.  I'm sure the video is still on you tube.

  And All of you, if you have not done so before, should witness a beheading. 

  If you don't understand what we're up against, God help you.

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124 Taking bets now on how many Dems lose seats in 2010 with the stink of this latest Obamaturd clinging to them like a dryer sheet on a wool blanket...

Stupidity has consequences.

125


I always was a Rudy guy.

He's a badass.

126 Remember; brain-dead Liberal NYers deemed Rudy Giuliani  the gestapo NAZI long before Liberal NYers splattered their dead brains all over GWB.

Abortion or not, the entire NE quadrant is repleat with schizophrenic brain-dead idiots; see Mike Bloomberg and the Catholic Church for examples.

127 Its not all bad news.  If show trials become the order of the day, we can look forward to a couple of 5-star productions down the road starring Chairman Maobama and Eric Holder in orange jump suits.

128 The Lockerbie Bomber was freed on "humanitarian" grounds.  Why do the leftists have such doubts about this leading to freedom for terrorists?  The trial will never proceed in NY in the former shadow of the WTC.  The Blind Sheikh's trial, the model according to Geraldo, was a circus that led to intelligence methods being disclosed and he had continuing contact with the outside world via his America hating lawyer.

129 Gerry followed up with a brave statement about how we have nothing to fear from KSM and his ilk.  All this the week after the Fort Hood shooting by one of them. 

130 You would think that WTC II as a follow up to WTC I would convince a person of the illogic and lack of wisdom in trying these cases in civilian courtrooms, but the skulls of people like Geraldo are impenetrable.

131

Soooo tired of the left's insistance upon civilian courts in terrorism cases. first of all, military tribunals are not "unconstitutional," there is legal precedent for military tribunals. e.g., ex parte quiren was the case of 8 german spies that were tried as um...(gasp) spies. they snuck into the country, intent upon carrying out acts of sabotage against the U.S.; I believe all 8 of them were executed, and yes my friends, one of them was actually a US citizen. can you say, "jose padilla," anyone? anyone at all? any name? any finger? - sorry, i digress yet again into the world of the theatre, and given the ludicrous nature of the current white house administration i'd say my willing suspensioin of disbelief has about reached capacity. I simply can not believe what this president is doing.

 

 

 

132 Rudy would be good as Governor and Great in the Senate but we need him on the SCOTUS.

133 Mayor Bloomberg, who is not a lawyer, has to do business with Obama. He will not challenge the administration.

134 In a capital case defendant's rights will be seen as extra important.  Remember you will need a unanimous verdict to get the execution, and that's if the judge doesn't throw it out when he/she hears they didn't have their rights read to them.  My guess is they will be acquitted and Obama will brag about how this vindicates the US legal system.  With his tin ear he probably thinks he can survive politically if that happens.  He makes such good speeches, you know.

135 The whole thing is going to be a circus.  The defense attorneys are going to "Put America on trial!"  All it will take is for one dumb, or Islamist sympathizer, jury member to get these guys off.  The judge, and the prosecution, will be too afraid of seeming "Islamophobic" to really press the case, and the defendants themselves will be free to burble propaganda to an adoring MSM. 

And, of course, there's always the possibility of a terrorist attack on the courtroom. 

And Obama himself has to be aware of all this. 

136 Presuming the trial actually comes to pass (no change of venue, etc.), if the verdict is 'guilty', then (as mentioned above) "the American justice system has vindicated itself".

If the verdict is 'not guilty', then all the secret stuff comes out, Bush/Cheney tried in effigy, CIA and military undercut, and wars in Iraq and Afghanistan discredited. America put in the wrong, more appeasement to Obama's worldwide friends. America weakened, cut down to size, more just another nation in the community of nations.

Amazingly stupid decision, but try looking at it as a leftist, they may see advantages either way.

137

Shiek is found GUILTY (predetermined), and headlines will be that the jury, made up of a mix of Muslims/non-Muslims unanimously agreed.

It's a scam to fight the imagined "blowback" many Muslims claim to feel (and which is exponentially broadcast by "media" outlets).  They can now claim "hey, look... we convicted this crazy guy... Islam is peace!"

Just trying to think how the current Prez might.

It hurts.

138 What visa class will KSM be issued for this trip Business or Tourism? What if he is on a stopper list for visas? Or are known terrorists exempt from obtaining visas?

139

Lol!  Hey, NYC ...how about that Barry?  Aren't you glad you voted for him and this freak show he's brought to town?

NICE JOB YOU FUCKING IDIOTS...you brought this on yourself and there are many who now could care less...

Have a nice day...

 

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This going to destroy our intelligence apparatus just like that idiot Carter did. Only this time it will be willful destruction by a professed America hater.

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