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| Finally, A Serious Deficit Hawk Emerges for the Campaign of 2012, Vowing to be "Absolute Tyrant" on SpendingThank God, at last, a candidate for 2012 committed to deficit reduction and limited government and reduced spending! That candidate? Barack Hussein Obama.The word went out among Washington politicos yesterday: Barack Obama is about to become very, very tough on federal spending. I was talking to a Democratic strategist yesterday (our talks are always on a no-name-used basis). He is a supporter of health care reform -- he prefers the Baucus bill at the moment -- but told me that, immediately after winning the health care battle, Obama needs to take a radically different course. "As soon as health care reform is over, he needs to pivot hard to becoming a deficit and spending hawk and a jobs creator," the strategist told me. "He should say, 'We did the stimulus because the world would have collapsed if we didn't. We did health care because it's something that needed to be done for working families and will reduce the deficit by $100 billion over the next ten years. And now, we're going to become absolute tyrants on spending, and that means I'm going to be vetoing things.'" I asked whether Obama, after presiding over the stimulus, the bailouts, the big Democratic budget, the House cap-and-trade vote, health care reform, and finally, a tripling of the already-high federal deficit, could plausibly position himself as a spending hawk. "Their principle failure is that they have allowed themselves to be defined as government interventioners and huge spenders," the strategist told me. "If he becomes the great expander of government and the great increaser of spending, he's going to get destroyed in 2012." But Obama already is the great expander of government and the great increaser of spending, I said. There's a factual basis for his image. How can he change that? "He's got the bully pulpit," the Democrat said. "When he opens his mouth, everybody writes it. He needs to open his mouth on this and frame it and define it until it's holy writ."Ah, right. He's going to talk about shit and expect the media to cover his ass by relentlessly repeating his claims without fact-checking them. (Only SNL sketches get fact-checked these days.) What a novel strategy. That well's not going dry anytime soon. John MacEnroe just emailed me to say "You cannot be serious!" Also, a rape-battered chicken just emailed me to say he doesn't want just the men who violated to be prosecuted, but the men "who stood and watched and clapped," like in The Accused. He asked me for Kelly McGinnis' phone number, which I do not have. CommentsPosted by: MelodicMetal at November 13, 2009 01:35 PM (x4S2a) 2
Gabriel Malor. Posted by: You're Gonna Need a Montage (rdb) at November 13, 2009 01:35 PM (zvWHK) 3
It'll work, too---because it's all BUSH'S FAULT!!!!11
Posted by: April at November 13, 2009 01:35 PM (b0THY) Posted by: Dang Straights at November 13, 2009 01:36 PM (Haq+B) Posted by: You're Gonna Need a Montage (rdb) at November 13, 2009 01:36 PM (zvWHK) 6
that's like a Mafia member saying they swear they will never kill again
Posted by: MelodicMetal at November 13, 2009 01:36 PM (x4S2a) 7
If people buy it they deserve what they get.
Posted by: kefka at November 13, 2009 01:36 PM (n1uMU) Posted by: You're Gonna Need a Montage (rdb) at November 13, 2009 01:37 PM (zvWHK) 9
Leftard: Obamuh did all he could to reduce the deficit but the Boooosh economy was too difficult for even Obamuh to control.
Posted by: Lemmiwinks at November 13, 2009 01:37 PM (IqfKc) Posted by: Herr Morgenholz at November 13, 2009 01:37 PM (5aa4z) 11
He ain't gonna cut SHIT.
He CAN'T. After all the promising to get health reform jacked thru, he won't come thru on promises to those that he turns? Oh. Wait. This is BHO we're discussing... Carry on... Wolf Posted by: Mr Wolf at November 13, 2009 01:37 PM (+2vt7) Posted by: GregInSeattle at November 13, 2009 01:38 PM (B5cM9) 13
I won't pull the football away this time.
Posted by: Lucy Van Pelt at November 13, 2009 01:38 PM (4Kl5M) Posted by: You're Gonna Need a Montage (rdb) at November 13, 2009 01:38 PM (zvWHK) 15
Really, I won't this time baby. Just put your mouth on it.
Posted by: B. H. Obama at November 13, 2009 01:38 PM (5aa4z) 16
It's easy to be a deficit hawk when there's no money left anywhere in the country to spend.
Posted by: Keith Arnold at November 13, 2009 01:38 PM (Jdtsu) 17
This is a Friday the 13th joke, right?
Posted by: Doc at November 13, 2009 01:39 PM (WKOg4) 18
uh, the military has plenty of stuff to cut...who needs that stuff.
Reminds me of an old SNL skit making fun of libs (or conservative views of libs) where they had a party after taking power in a coup and one joke was that they turned the aircraft carriers into homeless centers...Phil Hartman was Ted K. Posted by: joeindc44 at November 13, 2009 01:39 PM (QxSug) 19
Hell, why not say it. That has always been the strategy of the Communists beginning with Uncle Joe. If you are going to lie, lie big.
He's stioll got all of the MSM in his back pocket so its not like he is going to get ridiculed as GWB would for saying something like that. Posted by: Vic at November 13, 2009 01:40 PM (CDUiN) 20
So, the neverending campaign is officially kicked off? I mean the one that is still going on... not the other one... the one that hasn't started yet... I understand that they are rolling out the new quadruple redundant teleprompter to inaugurate the kickoff of the campaign... ...this one... not the other one. Posted by: Hussein the Plumber at November 13, 2009 01:40 PM (r1h5M) 21
Buy now while prices are still low.
Posted by: Bullshit Investor at November 13, 2009 01:41 PM (IhQuA) 22
Let me guess: defense cuts.
Posted by: Y-not channels Carnac at November 13, 2009 01:41 PM (sey23) 23
I can see him working hand in hand with Congress, vetoing some fake spending bills and pork in order to make himself look like a hawk on spending. The MSM will gobble it up and try to get enough people to drink the kool-aid for a re-election in 2012.
It won't work. Posted by: The Drunken Conservative at November 13, 2009 01:41 PM (iaWNX) Posted by: The Chicken at November 13, 2009 01:42 PM (wOGfT) Posted by: CUS at November 13, 2009 01:43 PM (wOGfT) 26
He's gonna need some new campaign slogans. I could be wrong, but I don't think people are going to fall for the same bullshit this time, not matter how well his teleprompter works. Posted by: Hussein the Plumber at November 13, 2009 01:44 PM (r1h5M) Posted by: Purple Avenger at November 13, 2009 01:44 PM (7+Eub) Posted by: joncelli at November 13, 2009 01:44 PM (RD7QR) 29
Sure, he'll cut spending, right after he tries to get stimulus 2.0 through.
Posted by: Lee at November 13, 2009 01:44 PM (7y9kL) 30
Barack Hussein Obama? Never heard of him. Posted by: Charlie Gibson at November 13, 2009 01:44 PM (6268o) 31
You can find Kelly McGillis down at her restaurant in Key West, assuming it's still there. She treats the help like shit, for what it's worth.
Posted by: JWF at November 13, 2009 01:45 PM (1l37M) 32
uh, actually, dum dums, the next step is tax increases...
Posted by: joeindc44 at November 13, 2009 01:45 PM (QxSug) 33
The "...we're going to become absolute tyrants..." part has a ring of truth to it.
Posted by: PatB at November 13, 2009 01:45 PM (xv0ou) 34
Health care "reform" will fail and he'll call it a deficit reduction technique.
Posted by: taylork at November 13, 2009 01:45 PM (4jZ56) 35
War is Peace
Freedom is Slavery Spending is Saving Debt is Credit Deficits are Assets ...hell, I can go on like this for eight to ten years. Posted by: George Orwell at November 13, 2009 01:46 PM (AZGON) 36
What's with all the predictions that the folks won't "fall for it" this time?
What in the world makes you think that? This motherfucking communist was elected by the braindead "American people" less than a year ago. Posted by: Dave at November 13, 2009 01:46 PM (Xm1aB) 37
He could cut the deficit next year by 50% and it would still be more than twice as much as the horrible world destroying deficits under Bush.
State Media's headline: Obama cuts deficit by 50%. Largest government spending cut ever. Posted by: kefka at November 13, 2009 01:47 PM (n1uMU) 38
Really, I won't this time baby. Just put your mouth on it. I don't mind. In fact, I kinda like it. A lot. Posted by: Chris Matthews at November 13, 2009 01:47 PM (wWwJR) Posted by: conscious, but incoherent at November 13, 2009 01:47 PM (kn+jW) Posted by: Dave at November 13, 2009 01:48 PM (Xm1aB) 41
The expiration date on this is going to come and go faster than lightning.
Posted by: DocJ at November 13, 2009 01:49 PM (CDJHc) Posted by: CUS at November 13, 2009 01:49 PM (wOGfT) 43
Saturn is here to stay! It will make great cars! Really!
Posted by: Barack "Earnest Saturn Guy" Obama at November 13, 2009 01:50 PM (RD7QR) 44
So wait, I spent eight years hearing that a $250B deficit was horrible
from the left. Now, it looks like Obama is going to rack up somewhere
around $2T. Where are all those leftists that railed against Bush?
Posted by: 18-1 at November 13, 2009 01:50 PM (bgcml) 45
Here chicken, chicken....
Posted by: da prez at November 13, 2009 01:50 PM (7t+Ws) 46
Pelosi will whisper sweet nothing into this ear about new gulags and prisons and he'll fold like a cheap suit and sign whatever she wants.
Posted by: Purple Avenger at November 13, 2009 01:50 PM (7+Eub) 47
Obama dithered...America withered
Posted by: Jerome Clam at November 13, 2009 01:52 PM (lB/5N) 48
I can quit spending whenever I want!
Really! I just don't want to yet! I'm on top of this thing, guys, you can trust me! Posted by: Barry the Money Junkie at November 13, 2009 01:52 PM (RqKIl) 49
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Pelosi will whisper sweet nothing into this ear about new gulags and
prisons and he'll fold like a cheap suit and sign whatever she wants.
Posted by: Purple Avenger at November 13, 2009 01:50 PM (7+Eub) Nasty. Posted by: wrg at November 13, 2009 01:52 PM (7t+Ws) 50
Holy writ? Did that guy say Holy writ? We're still playing that game? Jeeebles! These people have not limits for delusion. Posted by: Hussein the Plumber at November 13, 2009 01:53 PM (r1h5M) Posted by: Secundus at November 13, 2009 01:54 PM (RqKIl) 52
This is getting creepy scary. Really.
Posted by: wHodat at November 13, 2009 01:55 PM (+sBB4) 53
But no, the election results from last week had nothing what-so-ever to do with out of control spending and out of control growth of government. They were all about people wanting the crap sandwiches of the health care bills put forth by the Democrats.
They know they are in trouble and their little minds are now busy 24/7 thinking about how they can buy off the voters before it's too late. Bambi is going to be busy sounding like Reagan from now until November of 2010. Posted by: rockhead at November 13, 2009 01:55 PM (RykTt) 54
Shit . Picked a bad week to stop huffing glue .
Posted by: Bill D. Cat at November 13, 2009 01:55 PM (vKdhq) 55
And now, we're going to become absolute tyrants on spending, and that means "I'm going to be vetoing things.'"
Well, yeah. When those teabagger anti-American GOP'ers take over Congress, I'm going to veto all their stuff. But what's that "pivot" thing? Isn't that the big glob of dirt and grass that goes flying when I'm golfing? Posted by: President Toonces at November 13, 2009 01:55 PM (H6Jyg) 56
42 - I'm thinking drop the red and that same sign works for me. Just sayin.
Posted by: Hussein the Plumber at November 13, 2009 01:55 PM (r1h5M) 57
Obama vows to be an 'absolute tyrant'? That is troubling.
Posted by: kefka at November 13, 2009 01:56 PM (n1uMU) 58
A VAT, baby. And defense cuts. And then I'll put on the garter belt and the strap-on and...well...use your imagination.
Posted by: Nancy "Drumhead cheeks" Pelosi at November 13, 2009 01:57 PM (RD7QR) 59
Please, compare and contrast: An apt metaphor for the distinction between what comes out of Obama's mouth, and what the truth is, I should think. Posted by: Sharkman at November 13, 2009 01:57 PM (Zj8fM) 60
I look forward to working with President Obama. The country is desperately looking for bi-partisan leadership.
Posted by: Lyndsey Graham at November 13, 2009 01:58 PM (Bs8Te) 61
HA, Ha, ha, ha, ho, ho, ho, ho heh. BWAHHAAAAHHHH! Oh, wow. *snort* HA, HA, Ha, that's a good one. Damn glad I wasn't drinking something when I read that. Posted by: BackwardsBoy at November 13, 2009 01:58 PM (ZGhSv) 62
Their principle failure is that they have allowed themselves to be defined as government interventioners and huge spenders,
Yes, quite. Posted by: reality at November 13, 2009 01:58 PM (PD1tk) 63
Its going to work out like this...
OberGruppenFuherer Pelosi just dumped a Manhattan sized steaming deficit turd on the US economy, one that it would take an army of earth movers 20 years to cart away. Now they're going to "get tough" and attack that steaming intractable turd mountain with a fired up and enthusiastic boy scout troop armed with tea spoons. There will be a huge amount of "furious activity", but very little turd mountain actually getting carted away. Mostly the scout troop will wind up flinging poo at each other like chimps arguing over a too ripe banana. Posted by: Purple Avenger at November 13, 2009 01:58 PM (7+Eub) Posted by: HeatherRadish at November 13, 2009 01:59 PM (NtiET) Posted by: bulwark at November 13, 2009 02:00 PM (jvrmc) 66
58 use your imagination.
Posted by: Nancy "Drumhead cheeks" Pelosi at November 13, 2009 01:57 PM (RD7QR) Hell NO!!! I just ate lunch. Posted by: wrg at November 13, 2009 02:00 PM (7t+Ws) 67
So, does this mean he's now officially President Say Anything?
Posted by: shibumi at November 13, 2009 02:00 PM (OKZrE) Posted by: wiserbud at November 13, 2009 02:02 PM (IHbof) 69
"He should say, 'We did the stimulus because the world would have collapsed if we didn't. We did health care because it's something that needed to be done for working families and will reduce the deficit by $100 billion over the next ten years. And now, we're going to become absolute tyrants on spending, and that means I'm going to be vetoing things.'" Geez, even his advisors can't stop lying. The world would have collapsed if the stimulus wasn't passed? Since when did "The Great State Budget Bailout of 2009-10" become a world-saving measure? I thought it was TARP that supposedly "saved the world," by bailing out all these monster banks and injecting liquidity into the entire global financial market. (What, you thought that TARP was just a TBTF bank measure?) If that was the case, wouldn't Bush get the credit for signing this into law? (Note: I don't buy that TARP was necessary anymore than most conservatives, because like most conservatives, I find the practice of the government bailing out anyone or anything to be repulsive) The health care bill will not reduce the deficit by $100 billion over the next ten years because businesses will drop their healthcare plans and put even more people than expected on the government subsidized plan, increasing the financial burden. Furthermore, for a government that's just about to hit its debt ceiling of $12.1 trillion, a "savings" of $100 billion over ten years doesn't mean jack squat. Like the bogus $100 million in "savings" Obama supposedly found by limiting purchases of office supplies (savings that were planned long before he took office), any actual cuts are going to be limited and superficial, and will have little impact at all on the overall deficit. Posted by: David Axelrod's Combover at November 13, 2009 02:02 PM (/Pw+r) 70
It doesn't matter, number don't lie And the best part is when Obama will sell his tax-hikes as deficit-reducers. The people will laugh and laugh and laugh... Posted by: Tweet Calrissian at November 13, 2009 02:02 PM (jVldi) 71
Just remember....52% bought his bullshit the last time. More than that in the so-called "smartest" states. They'll buy more of it next time, since they don't wanna be thought of as a bunch of racist, teabagging rednecks.
And the Republican National Committee is so damn dumb they'll probably nominate Olympia Snowe for President, with Lindsey Graham for veep. When they are defeated, again, it will be Sarah Palin's fault. Posted by: bigpinkfluffybunny at November 13, 2009 02:03 PM (KWhJd) 72
He needs to open his mouth on this and frame it and define it until it's holy writ.
Uh, I know which definition the strategist is employing here, but it still scares me when he uses that word. Posted by: Miss'80sBaby at November 13, 2009 02:03 PM (zmiSr) Posted by: BackwardsBoy at November 13, 2009 02:03 PM (ZGhSv) 74
Well the oceans did stop rising when he became President. Let's give him the benefit of the doubt.
Posted by: Herr Morgenholz at November 13, 2009 02:03 PM (5aa4z) 75
Serious deficit hawks? Republicans?
We'll see about that. You see, the problem for the Republicans and their kabuki about the deficit is that they're helping Obama to fund the deficit. They love spending just like he does. Republicans don't really want smaller government - they just want to say they want smaller government ... when in fact they're helping Barack Obama to keep government spending very high. That's not just an opinion ... they vote on it regularly. Between now and the end of the year, in fact, Republicans will join Democrats to enable much more spending - by increasing the debt limit. Tim Geither predicts Republicans will help Obama destroy America. Republicans have a chance to prove they're for lower government spending and to stop Barack Obama in his tracks. Enough talk - fucking prove it. Vote No on the Debt Ceiling Increase. SHUT. DOWN. OBAMA. Posted by: someguy at November 13, 2009 02:05 PM (VRJIW) 76
I believe that's Kelly McGillis, not McGinnes. Maybe that's why you couldn't find the number?
I'm really looking forward to the rhetorical flatus that is going to erupt from the Donks as they try to explain how they plan to reduce the deficit, enact their health care and cap-n-trade agendas, and avoid raising taxes to ruinous levels...all while in the depths of the worst job market in 30 years. It's like they're not even trying to make their lies believable any more. The see a bloodbath looming in 2010; their only imperative right now is to jam as much legislation as they can through Congress before November 2010 rolls around. Posted by: Monty at November 13, 2009 02:05 PM (4Pleu) 77
Seriously, a VAT, a milage-based transportation tax (with a government GPS tracker for your car), and massive defense cuts are the only way they can ever bring down the deficit. It's almost as if they WANTED to run up a deficit in order to do these things.
Hmmmmmmmmm......... Posted by: Nancy at November 13, 2009 02:05 PM (RD7QR) 78
Republicans don't really want smaller government - they just want to say they want smaller government ... when in fact they're helping Barack Obama to keep government spending very high.
They want smaller government in the sense that they want to expand government slightly less than Obama does. That is not acceptable. Posted by: kefka at November 13, 2009 02:07 PM (n1uMU) 79
Unfortunately for him, he's dealing with a ratchet: Federal spending only goes up, never down. And having increased the spending baseline so massively, no cuts that he could politically sustain (even if he were serious about making such cuts) would begin to dent the budget. Even worse, his economy-killing policies are causing tax revenues to collapse. He'll never be able to escape the graph of Federal spending and deficits by fiscal year/fiscal quarter. Posted by: stuiec at November 13, 2009 02:07 PM (7AOgy) Posted by: GregInSeattle at November 13, 2009 02:08 PM (B5cM9) 81
He's telling us the Revolutionary Truth.
Posted by: Truman North at November 13, 2009 02:08 PM (e8YaH) 82
Even if this was believable he's 10 months late trillions short. And it's not in any way, shape, or form believable. Posted by: Bosk at November 13, 2009 02:08 PM (pUO5u) 83
well...use your imagination. Posted by: Nancy "Drumhead cheeks" Pelosi at November 13, 2009 01:57 PM (RD7QR)
My minds eye just exploded. Posted by: Old Hippie Vet at November 13, 2009 02:09 PM (3IZGh) 84
Remember those sacrifices Obama kept talking about last year? Well, get ready to make sacrifices in the form of a tax hikes. The time to act is now. We must take bold action to face the challenges of our time. America must continue to lead the way for future generations. Bla bla bla... Posted by: Tweet Calrissian at November 13, 2009 02:10 PM (jVldi) 85
Yeah, he's gonna start vetoing shit...
...right after the Republicans take over Congress and try to fix his damage. Posted by: Vet Missing Parts at November 13, 2009 02:10 PM (qPu42) 86
The time to act is now. We must take bold action to face the challenges of our time. America must continue to lead the way for future generations.
So, just as I do every Thursday for Nancy, bend over and take it like a man. Okay, screwing with the teleprompter isn't funny. Posted by: Nancy at November 13, 2009 02:12 PM (RD7QR) 87
And what ever happened to Joe "The Sheriff" Biden holding everyone accountable? Good god these people are just plain dangerous.
Posted by: Bosk at November 13, 2009 02:14 PM (pUO5u) 88
Shit. Sockpuppet fail.
Posted by: Barack at November 13, 2009 02:14 PM (RD7QR) Posted by: Dang Straights at November 13, 2009 02:14 PM (Haq+B) 90
3 friends of mine are in danger of losing what used to be very successful small businesses. They are scared, have families and don't know what their economic lives are going to be like in 6 months. I am sure that this is happening along with job layoffs across the country. The MSM is going to have a lot harder time trying to run interception for Oba Mao this time around. Sometimes the best lessons are the most painful - and a portion of those 52% are gettting theirs now. Posted by: Cheri at November 13, 2009 02:14 PM (G+Wff) 91
Maybe he can run on this: In Europe, their unemployment is getting better! While here, in America we have more and more funemployment!
Posted by: Hussein the Plumber at November 13, 2009 02:15 PM (r1h5M) 92
We all saw this coming. Obama promised cut the budget deficit in half by the end of his first term. Anyone with a half a brain realized Obama could easily keep this promise by jacking up the budget deficits so high in his first 3 fiscal years and then simply cut it in half for the last year. Posted by: Tweet Calrissian at November 13, 2009 02:15 PM (jVldi) 93
I prefer my chicken beer-battered. Rape-battered chicken, not so much.
Posted by: Usful Ijit at November 13, 2009 02:16 PM (+8fSS) Posted by: Jenna Jamison at November 13, 2009 02:19 PM (MFbfZ) 95
the dems are just going to start offering up fake earmarks and amendments via dems with safe seats so that nancy, harry, and obama can cut and veto to the MSM's delight. soon we'll be seeing headlines about how all three are taking a tough stance on spending and "no more politics as usual" blah blah blah
Posted by: justanotherbostonian at November 13, 2009 02:19 PM (GFaLW) Posted by: ParanoidGirlInSeattle at November 13, 2009 02:19 PM (RZ8pf) 97
Who are the stupid bastards that believe this guy?
Posted by: rplat at November 13, 2009 02:20 PM (G1ArL) 98
Sometimes the best lessons are the most painful - and a portion of those 52% are gettting theirs now. I hope the lesson that the rest of them learn is starvation. Posted by: VJay at November 13, 2009 02:21 PM (gQ+XA) 99
The top three gov't programs in terms of spendin are Social Security, Medicare/Medicaid and defense. No other program comes close. You ain't do shit to reduce the federal deficit or debt without addressing those top three programs. The problem is, no politician - whether Republican or Democrat - has the stones to tackle Social Security or Medicare/Medicaid It's the Grandpa Simpson effect: a lot of people complain about gov't spending, but don't want cuts in the government spending that gives them goodies. So any politician who lobbies to cut these two programs is a goner. Liberals would love to gut defense spending, even though it's the smallest of the top three. The problem there is that they'd just funnel the defense cuts into more entitlement programs. We are screwed. Of course, Obama will look tough on spending by raising taxes and allowing the Bush tax cuts to sunset. This will increase revenues and make it look like spending is decreasing. But the spending won't have abated one bit; they'll be just taking more money to help pay for it. Posted by: Blogluddite at November 13, 2009 02:21 PM (fDWFP) 100
Obama, "I only make the promises. I don't keep them."
Posted by: Hussein the Plumber at November 13, 2009 02:21 PM (r1h5M) 101
They really do believe that reality has no independent existence apart from the words used to describe it, don't they? Behold, what things postmodernism hath wrought...
Posted by: Grey Fox at November 13, 2009 02:21 PM (d1ae8) 102
Who are the stupid bastards that believe this guy?
Are you kidding? The Lefties will fall over themselves to get in line on this one. Once healthcare is passed of course. Remember: entitlements don't get cut. What does get absolutely GUTTED is the military. Posted by: Winston Smith at November 13, 2009 02:22 PM (MFbfZ) 103
Usful Ijit at November 13, 2009 02:16 PM (+8fSS)
It's merely tenderized. And gubmint funded. You'll eat it and you'll like it. And you'll vote for me again. Posted by: Barry Obama at November 13, 2009 02:23 PM (IhQuA) Posted by: FireHorse at November 13, 2009 02:25 PM (Vl5GH) 105
"The MSM is going to have a lot harder time trying to run interception
for Oba Mao this time around. Sometimes the best lessons are the most
painful - and a portion of those 52% are gettting theirs now."
Dude, you're still blaming the MSM for the country's woes? Republicans are helping Obama. They could filibuster the debt ceiling increase in Congress ... but they won't. Obama can't spend what he isn't legally allowed to borrow .... yet Republicans are refusing to take his credit card away from him. They're enabling the tax increases that will have to come to pay off Obama's deficit spending. Republicans are in on it. Wake up, dude. Posted by: someguy at November 13, 2009 02:28 PM (VRJIW) 106
This is an interesting case. The electorate has strongly signaled it does not want Obamacare. However, because of the games the State Media played in 2008, Obama might be able to ram it through anyway. This is actually unheard of in the US. Yes, the courts have done this sort of thing, but not the elected branches. Essentially this is a test that goes to the core of our system of government. Can elected leaders ram through something the electorate does not want and does care deeply about? If yes, our republic is truly dead. If no, how will these outrages be reversed? As many have pointed out, rolling back Obamacare, even will healthy majorities (no guarantee) would be tough… Posted by: 18-1 at November 13, 2009 02:29 PM (bgcml) 107
I think I need a new chicken.
Posted by: da prez at November 13, 2009 02:29 PM (7t+Ws) 108
Who are the stupid bastards that believe this guy? Posted by: Andrea Mitchell at November 13, 2009 02:30 PM (V9SYy) 109
Today, President Obama, talking to reporters, said he was going to become a deficiet hawk. Pretty strong language from the President. We turn now to our White House Reporter, Chuck Todd, who, along with I, will confirm to you that the President means what he says. Chuck.... Absolutely Andrea. As we have seen time and time again, this is a President who says what he means. He said he would close Gitmo in a year. He said he would focus on the war of necessity in Afghanistan. He said he would be post-partisan. He said he would be post-racial. He said he would not raise taxes on people earning less than $250,000 per year. In the primaries, he said it was a dumb idea to fine and jail people who could not buy health insurance. Yes, this is a President who says what he means and means what he says. Posted by: Chuck Todd at November 13, 2009 02:32 PM (V9SYy) 110
Yeah, when is the vote to raise the debt ceiling, and what is the position of the GOP?
Posted by: Dave at November 13, 2009 02:32 PM (Xm1aB) 111
Check out the t-shirt the Chinese are selling for Obama's visit:
http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/china/2009-11/06/content_8924497.htm Posted by: mark at November 13, 2009 02:32 PM (Wquex) 112
Sockpuppet theater! sweet.
Posted by: kefka at November 13, 2009 02:33 PM (n1uMU) 113
(I got my shipment of magic pixy dust today...) Posted by: ParanoidGirlInSeattle at November 13, 2009 02:19 PM (RZ8pf)
Can you send some down to Portland please, mines on back order. Posted by: Old Hippie Vet at November 13, 2009 02:34 PM (3IZGh) 114
Well, he's got the "absolute tyrant" part down pat.
Posted by: CoolCzech at November 13, 2009 02:36 PM (QECjC) 115
We can cut $900 jillion/year of fraud and abuse out of Medicare. About $750 cadillion/year out of defense by just axing programs they don't even want anyway. Another $390 vanillion/year out of corporate welfare by just tightening up a few loopholes in the tax code. Bam! Surplus.
Posted by: Barack's abacus at November 13, 2009 02:37 PM (+lsX1) 116
You push through legislation that commits us to more deficit spending per year than has been generated in any previous decade ever, and then you stop and say with a straight face, "NO MORE DEFICIT SPENDING DAMNIT. I'M GOING TO BE A TYRANT ON THIS." It's no different than the guy who beats his wife until she can't see out of either eye. And then swears up and down that he'll never, ever lay a finger on her again as they're headed off to the emergency room. The only way he can stick to his promise is if she dies. Or recovers and boots his ass out the house. Posted by: pendejo grande at November 13, 2009 02:40 PM (q2/Ng) 117
Sadly all he has to do is say things but never actually do anything and the media will happily label him the greatest fiscal conservative to ever inhabit the white house.
Posted by: Drew in MO at November 13, 2009 02:41 PM (Y50nj) 118
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