1 FLAMING SKULL

2

snag

3 crap

4 Gabe what's the chances of him walking because of the water boarding? Because I'm pretty sure he wouldn't get far.

5

That's almost shameful, by the way. The President undermines the legitimacy of the military commissions, but doesn't have the stones to replace them or end them. There is no guiding principle here, no brave and historic philosophy of governance. It's mere electoral practicality.

FIFY.  Nice post.

6

What happens if there is an acquittal?

 

 

7 You really outta give us a chance to post headlines first.

8 As several of said in the parody judge this morning, the most likely outcome of this is that he will be turned lose because the judge will consider waterboarding to be torture.

Hell, he can use the Senate testimony of McCain and Graham for that. He will not even have to go to "foreign law".

This is yet more evidence that Obama is not stupid. He actually does want to destroy America.

9 What the fuck is this "snag" business?

10 hmm, which lefty band will be the first to write a song called '183'?

11

If he walks, I want to be the first one who greets him when he leaves the courtroom.

12 "What happens if there is an acquittal?"

There won't be an acquittal. But imagine the fucking PR circus this will be for al Queda. Barack Obama just signed his own ... uh one-term presidency ... yeah, let's call it that.

They'll all be found guilty by their juries ... but the appellate courts won't ever let these guys convictions stand. They've been "tortured." All the evidence used against them at their trials will be tossed and their convictions vacated.

I say just release them very publicly into Manhattan at a specific time and date.

Let nature take its course.

Worked with Oswald.

13 They had to do this. With the cutback in news staff, the NYT was unable to send a reporter to Gitmo to report and publish State secrets.

14 What the fuck is this "snag" business?

Rdb's Tourette's problem, near as I can tell.  Otherwise, it's just plain stupid.

15 Eric Holder and his boss are, respectively, the worst attorney general and the worst president in American history.  And I can remember such gems as Ramsey Clark, John Mitchell, and Jimmy Carter.

16 promises to be a circus and as security nightmare.

17 This will all end in tears.  Ours.

18 This is yet more evidence that Obama is not stupid. He actually does want to destroy America.

If my goal was to destroy America, this is where I'd start.

But really, folks. It's our fault. We sit here at work like there's nothing we could do to prevent Obama from taking these sorts of suicidal actions. If he gets away with this, it will be our own fault.

We should be in Washington DC tossing bricks through windows demanding that fucking asshole resign (just like any good community organization would do). Organize sit-ins on Capital Hill, take over Washington. Block traffic. Overturn trash cans. Make the place a fucking nightmare to live in.

You know ... all the shit they would do if the situation were reversed.

19 The politics is very dirty.We need to do the work for ourselves.Please visit this website to buy the laptop batteries.

20 Bush should have executed these wastes of carbon years ago.

It's a nightmare that the POTUS is a man who thinks 9-11 was at worst a crime, likely our fault, and certainly not an act of War.

Welcome back, September 10th.

21 If I was the pilot of the plane bringing them to the US I would yell something like "God Bless America" and do a nose dive into the ocean, judge jury and executioner.  Problem solved.  No trial, no mess, no chance of liberal swine on a jury giving them time already served.  Case closed.  It would suck that I was dead, but think of all the lives I may have saved.  . 

22 Bad Idea: Five Gitmo Combatant-Detainees to be Tried in New York

---

I agree.

 

 

23 How the hell can this possibly work as a prosecution?  Seriously, how?  My mind is boggling at the evidentiary and other issues. 

24 Good luck when KSM gets acquitted, or when New York gets attacked during the trial.

Hecka job, Barry!

25 Laptop battery guy has more sense than Obama.

26 And my guess would be that NY doesn't have the death penalty. Hope I'm as wrong about that as I usually am about everything else.

27 So how long will the prosecutors, judges, jurors, and prosecution witnesses need security?

28 This is also step 1 to bringing them to the U.S. for permanent housing. I thought congress had passed a law forbidding that. Is the Won ignoring law?

If I am not mistaken, there is already a law passed long ago that forbids bringing terrorists to the U.S.

29 My suspicion is that Holder made the decision based on sympathy for Khalid Sheik Mohammed.  With the trial in NYC, he'll have the opportunity to visit his sister, Rosie O'Donnell.

30 And my guess would be that NY doesn't have the death penalty. Hope I'm as wrong about that as I usually am about everything else.

That part doesn't matter. They will be tried under federal law which does have a death penalty for terrorism.

31 Put the guy in the draftiest cell in New York. Make him beg to go back to Guantanamo.

32

>>And my guess would be that NY doesn't have the death penalty.

Nope. They tax you to death, though

33

26 And my guess would be that NY doesn't have the death penalty. Hope I'm as wrong about that as I usually am about everything else.

Posted by: teej (AoS's token tin foil hat guy) at November 13, 2009 09:46 AM (QdUKm)

It's a Federal trial, so the death penalty could apply, though I doubt it with this  Administration and DoJ under Holder.

34 "... no chance of liberal swine on a jury giving them time already served."

Would you like to be the NY liberal who voted "innocent?"

You wouldn't last two minutes at day's end.

Three thousand angry families will be standing outside the courthouse waiting for you to hail a cab home. What do you think they're going to do?

35 NY does have the DP.

But, it's a Federal trial anyway, right?

36 Just swell; the Party of Darwinian Marxist Lawyers is going to save the Islamists from ourselves.

37 It can't work. It's not meant to work. KSM wasn't arrested with criminal prosecution under the Constitution in mind, he was seized as an illegal combatant, so there was no Miranda, no search warrants, no probable cause and I doubt there will be much admissible evidence.
It's meant to keep the administration in denial (we are not at war), it's meant to be a thumb in the eye to Bush (bad case because of "torture"), it's meant to set free Obama's co-religionists.
Obama hates America, Obama wants America to fail.

38 Satire: Terrorists Tried in US Courts Trigger Constitutional Protections Strapped to Their Chests http://tinyurl.com/yffn4ge

39

35 NY does have the DP.

Posted by: eman at November 13, 2009 09:50 AM (jJ2r1)

No, we don't.  NY's Supreme Court declared the existing death penalty law unconstitutional in 2004.

40 NY technically has a death penalty on the books but it cannot be used since the state's highest court struck it down. Irrelevant because it's a federal case anyway.

41 Hang the asshole at the WTC site.

No trial.

Just a reading of his acts of War against the United States.

42 39

Oh, I see. Thanks for the correction.

43 Let's see;

Bring KSM to NYC so we can turn him lose under liberal judge orders then...

Arrest and jail people who will not purchase Democrap ordered health insurance.

Somewhere in there Pelosi's "fair" just doesn't add up.

All of this should be ripe for posters and political adds in 2010/2012. The key is to get a real candidate who will use it instead of spineless pussy liberal like McLame.

44 "... Obama hates America, Obama wants America to fail."

Go to Washington. Start protests. Block traffic. Take over monuments. Tump garbage cans everywhere. Community Organize! Carry tar and feathers and torches and pitchforks. Make it hell to live there. Create havoc.

That's what Democrats would do if the situation were reversed. It's what they did in the 60s. They camped out in Crawford. They were committed. Are you? It's time we do it to them.

You're exactly right: Your President wants to destroy America. Now what are you going to do about it?

Stop him.

45 It's "almost" shameful, because this administration has set a very, very high bar for shame.

46 If I was KSM, I'd demand the OJ Defense: an All Black Jury, preferably from Harlem.

What could possibly go wrong?

47

I really cannot understand why Obama thought this was a good idea, Didn't He keep renditions?

What will happen to Those terrorists if they end  up in court?

48

"snag" the number one post.  It's from the old Fray days.

49
It's meant to keep the administration in denial (we are not at war), it's meant to be a thumb in the eye to Bush (bad case because of "torture"), it's meant to set free Obama's co-religionists.
Obama hates America, Obama wants America to fail.
Posted by: the real joe at

I sincerely hope you are wrong about this. He can't really hate American that much, can he?

50

What happens if there is an acquittal?

If?

51 What should happen is about 50,000 people show up outside the detention facility in NYC with pitchforks and other "implements" and a noose demanding that he be turned over.

They could carry signs saying since the feds can not administer justice, they will.

I'm sure there are ample number of places to "tie him off" in downtown.

52 Blink 182

53 I sincerely hope you are wrong about this. He can't really hate American that much, can he?
Posted by: mokimoki

Have you ever dealt with true-blue Moonbats?

They are real and they really do hate this Nation.

They might love it someday, when they are done making it what they think it should be. Maybe.

54 This in the end will be a good thing. The Islamists of NYC will come out in force. You know...those pigs from revolutionmuslim.com, the boroughs (sic) of Queens and Brooklyn which is infested with Muslims.

It's time this gets national attention. These traitors are in the streets constantly spewing their filth. It's time Americans see the extent of this ideology.

I'm no longer livid. Obama is one of them. You know it and I know it. Most dare not say it.

This guy will get off.

55

35 NY does have the DP.

Posted by: eman at November 13, 2009 09:50 AM (jJ2r1)

We used to. Then our wonderful court system shut it down.

56 "snag" the number one post.  It's from the old Fray days.

Still no idea what you're talking about...

57 It's hard to believe a president can hate his own country.
But if in fact you were a president who hated America, what would you do differently from what he is doing?

58 When Al Gore invented the Internet he called it "Fray".

He changed it later.

59 Stick him in a Federal pound-me-in-the-ass prison into general population.  He won't make it three days.

60 53,

I have, but I guess I am in denial that they hate the US this much. My sister is a moonbat-we haven't spoken in almost 7 years. I have worked with moonbats, but before the One's election, when they were just frothing about Bush-it was easy to ignore them and do my job. But now, there is such a change in the climate, you can feel the ill wind blowing. I think I am just a little frightened by it. And incredulous.

61 Another question here with this;

Why NYC federal court?  The charges are for crimes nationwide. Supposedly the DC court would have been more applicable. Also, the really could have brought him to ANY federal court in the country.

How about the ones in Charleston, Florence, and Columbia, SC?

A jury full of SC rednecks is less likely to let this turd off.

Of course, the judge probably intends on doing that on his own.

62

Still no idea what you're talking about...

Check your Ace trivia.  Enough clues for you.

 

63 59,

Nope, he'll be worshiped by the Muslim gangs.

Hang him and make sure a woman pulls the lever.

64 That's what Democrats would do if the situation were reversed. It's what they did in the 60s. They camped out in Crawford. They were committed.

Another big issue with this is...I would imagine for the most part, they were college kids.  We're grown ups with jobs, kids, family, responsibility.  Makes it substantially harder logistically.

On a reassuring note, Geraldo said this morning that we're ridiculous for being concerned over this.  He's going to be convicted and sentenced to death as he made confessions of his crimes prior to waterboarding.  Geraldo couldn't quite eek out the word 'terrorism' when followed up with a question about Hasan though.  What a d-nozzle.

65

A jury full of SC rednecks is less likely to let this turd off.

Heh.  Wouldn't that be cool!  Or send them to Texas.  Where they don't fuck around.

66

I wonder how fast their lawyers will have it moved out of NY because they can't get a fair trial because 911 happened there. 

 

Obama YOU are such a stupid fool and not that smart.

67 Breaking News: Obama's presidency continues to suck in every imaginable way.

68 56 "snag" the number one post.  It's from the old Fray days.

Still no idea what you're talking about...

Me neither.  Is it a cable thing?

69

Breaking News: Obama's presidency continues to suck in every imaginable way.

Update:  And in some ways you can't imagine. 

70 43 Let's see;

Bring KSM to NYC so we can turn him lose under liberal judge orders then...

Arrest and jail people who will not purchase Democrap ordered health insurance.

Somewhere in there Pelosi's "fair" just doesn't add up

Excellent and scary point.

In other words, according to Democrats, Americans are terrorists, and Muslims who kill Americans are not.

71

ACE....

 

I really hate to say this, but even though I'm a former combat medic I must say this.

BRING OUR BOYS HOME.  

If Obama and his fools are going to tie the hands of out fighting men & women. I can't see them dying for nothing.

 

CRAP!

72 I'm going to prison, Khalid Sheik Mohammed is going free.  But don't compare this administration to other totalitarian/fascist regimes throughout history who've done the exact same things, because that's "over the top" and raaaaacist.

73 The Fray.  Don't make me spoonfeed.

74

Hang the asshole at the WTC site.

From what?  It's still just a crater, isn't it?  Not that I'm passing judgement on the government's ability to build anything worthwhile.  If the WTC site were privately held, I imagine there'd be something there by now...

75
speaking of New York...

how's the ballot-counting going in NY-23?

76 This can't go any way but wrong.

1. A civil trial is -- and has always been -- the wrong venue for these men. They are enemy combatants, not criminals. To provide them access to the US Justice apparatus perverts the entire concept of American justice.

2. By concentrating such high-profile Jihadis in a large population-center (not even a mile from the site of the World Trade Center), we are providing our enemies with a superb opportunity for another attack.

3. We give our most iniquitous enemies a platform from which to spew their bile.

4. There is a small but not insignificant chance that KSM and others could be acquitted in a civil criminal trial. In that case, what would Obama do? He would have to let them walk, or expose the trial as a sham...but if he lets them walk, he might as well pack his shit and go home right then, because articles of impeachment would be brought against him that very day.

Terrorists the world over are rubbing their hands in glee at this farce. Kill thousands of Americans, and get vigorously sued. It is suicidal madness.

77

If the WTC site were privately held, I imagine there'd be something there by now...

*********************************

 

I think it is??..... Just all the crazy stuff NY city fools have cause the delay.

78 Related, but OT:  Guess who's not going to walk.  The douchebag from Ft Hood.  Seems a round might've found the spinal cord  http://tinyurl.com/yllqmvz

I volunteer to help drag his ass up the stairs of the gallows.

79

>>Stick him in a Federal pound-me-in-the-ass prison

State prisons are worse than Federal, actually. Fed pens are where they stick white-collars and counterfeiters, not so much the violent pound-me-in-the-assers.

80

I like the fact that it is in NY. New Yorkers lost tons of family members and friends yet still go liberal on the war. Idiots. Let  the security nightmare and traffic problems associated with it be on thier time.

My husband's childhood parish in Brooklyn lost 245 people on 9-11. Yet his sister told me how "upsetting" it was to see OUR military around town after the attack.

I asked if she would rather see THEIR military?

retards.

81

Herr Morgenholz

 

+++++++++++++++++++++++

 

I sure hope not.. Then THEY will feel sorry for him.

 

I want to barf.

82 The animals that were behind and carried out 9/11 are not Americans and should not be afforded rights like an American criminal (which will soon include those who do not purchase government health insurance). This is true on the battlefield and in any POW camp which is what Gitmo is. We need Gitmo and we need the military to own the wartime prosecution of these animals followed by their swift execution. No Miranda rights, no American justice system except by the military.

The proper response here is for no more prisoners to be taken and for justice to be meted out on the battlefield where it belongs.

History will show 2 things: 1. GWB was a solid president who battled terror, protected us from further attacks and did what he could to make terrorists pay for 9/11. 2. BHO was a leftist Muslim who obeyed the left, attempted to destroy America’s capitalist system, replace it with socialism and inspired those who commit acts of terror (Hasan, AQ, etc) to continue their work and kill Americans.
At the root of this is BHO’s evil heart which is 100% pure Islam. No matter what the mouth says. You can see by his actions whom he is loyal to: Allah, George Soros, and the entire left: all children and false gods of the very real and active (because he knows his time is short) Satan.
This does come down to a battle between good and evil.

83 Really, the NY venue is intended to get the most bang for the liberal buck---NY Times, Major news network star coverage, etc.

84 but if he lets them walk, he might as well pack his shit and go home right then, because articles of impeachment would be brought against him that very day.

By what Congress?

85 The lack of political will to put a bullet in KSM's head is indicative of a society willing to sacrifice itself to the barbarians.  We're not a nation; we're a suicide cult.

86

IN LESS THAN 9 MONTHS OBAMA RESPONSIBLE FOR TERRORIST ATTACK IN US

That's the real headline

87

I volunteer to help drag his ass up the stairs of the gallows.

Posted by: Herr Morgenholz at November 13, 2009 10:17 AM (5aa4z)

Hire Boris the Hangman, from Blazing Saddles.  He not only 'took care of' a man and his horse, but a guy in a wheelchair.  The NEA could even fund the cost as a 'Life Imitating Art' project.

88 By what Congress?

True, alas, now that I think of it. It would be the House that would have to bring the Articles of Impeachment; and the House would never get a majority-vote to impeach the Dear Leader. However, I think the popular outcry and rage would be so great that something profound would happen. I'm not sure what, exactly...but something.

89 What the fuck is this "snag" business?

Premature postilcation?

90 At thebravest.com there is a letter they're sending to the man-child with a petition you can sign.

91 If Barry's people blow these cases in NY, he'll be an immediate lame duck.

92

>>Another big issue with this is...I would imagine for the most part, they were college kids.  We're grown ups with jobs, kids, family, responsibility.  Makes it substantially harder logistically.

You guys need to read up on your Radical Strategy crap. College kids are energetic and loud, crass, etc but they run out of steam and are not fighters, generally speaking. They're not disciplined and have little in the way of resources.

OTOH, the most prized of revolutionaries tend to be found in rural areas. There are several reasons for that, among them familiarity with killing [for food], away from the eyes of authority [so they can organize, which is the most vulnerable time for any movement], access to resources, and most importantly they've families to protect/support so their anger is longer lasting and deadlier.

Don't sell yourselves short. You're all doing the organic thing already.

93

Actually I think the city of new york should be tried for leaving WTC a whole in the ground a full 8 years later.

didnt we give them tens of billions of dollars to do something with it.

 

Also, won't KSM's lawyers just claim he can't get a fair trial in NYC?

94 I guess if they tried to have the trial in a less sensitive place, KSM would have been entitled to a change of venue.  Sorry NY families of 9/11 victims, the law is a harsh mistress.  Oh, the jury needs to be representative of the defendant and community too.  Get some converts on there to make it fair.  Fuck you 52%ers. Sideways. With a splintered board. And salt rock and vinegar.

95 The Party of Darwinian Marxist Lawyers: champions of porn, pot, prostitution and Islamic Jihadists.

96

I'm sure KSM's lawyers will claim their client can't get a fair trial in NYC and will petition for change of venue

it's also likely the lawyers will ask for any confessions to be thrown out of court, claiming they are the result of torture

the amicus briefs in this trial should be interesting

courthouse ringed with protesters every day

CAIR and ACLU on TV every night decrying the climate of intolerance toward muslims

not to mention all the shit that will come out in discovery

WAT TO GO, OBAMA- you have just put in motion a fucking circus that will be on TV every day of your presidency- I wonder if you have thought through how this will play in Peoria, as the saying goes

 

EPIC FAIL

97 KSM? 9/11? Never heard of them.

98 Posted by: Dustoff at November 13, 2009 10:14 AM (cq3pU)

Please don't flame me for this - since I'm not even American - but I have to agree.

Some of America's finest men and women are risking their lives everyday for a cause their Commander in Chief does not believe in ( what does he believe anyway?).

He should bring them home. At least have the courage to stand by that Obama. If you don't want to fight this, bring them home.
Don't play with these people's lives.

Again I was always against sending them there. Don't get me wrong. I just think you guys are way too good to be dying in a foreign land that will never truly value what you did and will one day spit in your face and back stab you. See: Europe

99

This is going to play out like the 50 Law and Order episodes that have been on this very subject.

Sam waterson wil lose the case, KSM will go free, and we will find out it was really a rich white conservative christian behind it all

100 So, in Obama's People's Republic of North American States: Those who killed those formerly known as Americans get tropical vacations while those who harbor ungood thoughts and unpurchase their fair share of community health and wellness credits will be felons.

Just how long do I got until I'm branded a traitor and forfeit my life because I prefer freedom to the velvet chains of socialist slavery?

101

I wonder how fast their lawyers will have it moved out of NY because they can't get a fair trial because 911 happened there. 

 

Obama YOU are such a stupid fool and not that smart.

Posted by: Dustoff at November 13, 2009 10:10 AM (cq3pU)

That was my first thought after I hurled obscenities at the TV this morning, woke my husband out of dead sleep and ranted for about 10 minutes then hurled more obscenities at the TV.

Then I thought - if a unanimous jury verdict is required there could be one holdout and this guy could walk.

More obscenities.

102 now that the Present has determined that KSM is to be tried before 'a jury of his peers', we need to find twelve fat ugly goat-smelling jihadists to act as jurors

103 Related, but OT:  Guess who's not going to walk.  The douchebag from Ft Hood.


Well, there goes my dream of having him do the .45 caliber dance as a preliminary to the execution.

104 He is being tried in a place that forbids the death penalty.  Read bin laden's fatwah, you will see he had the correct judgment on what the USA has become and it is his to destroy (with help from bff obama).

105 The Obami never believed that the military should be involved in fighting terrorists.They have believed since the first plane hit on 9/11 that this was a job for law enforcement. So when all the evidence is thrown out because the terrorists weren't informed of their Miranda rights or because of "torture" they will feel vindicated.Obama can then just blame Bush's military response and completely change the policy going forward.

106 Could there be a more sinister motive here than long term plans to destroy the country?

The KSM trial will be a veritable media circus that makes the OJ trial look like a sideshow (wait and see if they don't allow cameras in court).  While this 24/7 media circus is going on they will usher through a bunch of 2000 pp far reaching bills that strip Americans of every right that they have left. (not that many)

107 The fact that somebody kept meticulous records of how many times water was poured on KSM, highlights the problem. A complete distrust of management within the defense and intelligence communities. Those sheepdogs went into CYA mode early, because they knew the DC clown posse of lawyers, media, and politicians didn't have their back. For FFS, there should be no records, about ten people should even know we have KSM, no one outside of a SERE instructor and a few Inquisition historians should be talking about waterboarding.

108 The KSM trial will be a veritable media circus that makes the OJ trial look like a sideshow
Posted by: Vic at November 13, 2009 10:33 AM (CDUiN)
except it will not be on TV

109
Even if this pos walks he's a dead man. If he's acquitted deport his ass to Saudi Arabia.

110 102 now that the Present has determined that KSM is to be tried before 'a jury of his peers', we need to find twelve fat ugly goat-smelling jihadists to act as jurors Posted by: Jones at November 13, 2009 10:31 AM (JL3qV) -- I volunteer, I will buy a goat and sacrifice my health every night at The Prime Rib to be on that jury.

111 Why do they dump this sh!t on Fridays?  I'm so pissed right now I don't know what to say.

112 Even if this pos walks he's a dead man. If he's acquitted deport his ass to Saudi Arabia.
Posted by: Blazer at November 13, 2009 10:35 AM (+FzLa)

This POS can NEVER be allowed to leave this country alive

113

Osama bin Ladin is a moron. He attacked the WTC because he thought that by destroying our economy he could destroy us. While right on that account what he should have been advocating for is that people emmigrate here and vote for an idiot like Obama that would destroy the economy for him.

114 @102 

That never dawned on me until now.  The jury of his peers will be  two benchfuls of Muslim or Muslim-sympathizers from in and around the NY area.  This is NOT going to play out well.  I am thoroughly disgusted.  With this treasonous administration, we are living in a red, white and blue nightmare like nothing this country has ever faced.  I hope we survive.

115 except it will not be on TV

Posted by: nevergiveup at November 13, 2009 10:35 AM (0GFWk)

Yep.  We'll see sketches of the pig and his pig lawyers.  Is that ugly bitch who passed on secrets to her terrorist client out of jail yet?

116 Then I thought - if a unanimous jury verdict is required there could be one holdout and this guy could walk.

I believe even in federal court that is a "hung jury" and a mistrial. He doesn't walk on a mistrial unless the feds decide not to prosecute a second time.

117 Well, there goes my dream of having him do the .45 caliber dance as a preliminary to the execution.

Posted by: Winston Smith at November 13, 2009 10:31 AM (MFbfZ)

Bitchin' wheelies.

118

Hang the asshole at the WTC site.

"From what?  It's still just a crater, isn't it?"

No prob.  Just dump them in, alive, and push whatever remains of any walls on top and then fill in with a few tons of cement.  After the cement's dry, put a few benches and potted trees around, maybe one of those arty sculptures all modern cities are cursed with, call it The 9-11 Memorial Park. 

 

119 Why do they dump this sh!t on Fridays? I'm so pissed right now I don't know what to say.
Posted by: HeatherS at November 13, 2009 10:36 AM (g3lRW)


How about: "Drink up"!

120 yeah, 183 times sound ridiculous on its face... at some point you gotta think, hey this isn't working if it was done that many times.  or, that is a new answer needing extraction every other day for 1 year.  ...... Knowing that is probably why the media reports it that way: so it sounds more like torture.

I *think* the argument for doing it this way is that the 9/11 attacks (at least in NYC and the planes) were civilian targets, and that somehow translates into it needing to be done in civilian courts.  And so with this move, President Unicorn has not only delegitimized our response (the war in Afghanistan, along with military action elsewhere as part of the GWOT) but delegitimized past things like the Nuremburg trials and any other war crimes tribunal.

121 The bitch Judith Miller on FOX now defending Islam. Asshole

122 The more I think about Obama having the time and interest to play C-in-C wrt to KSM, but not Afghanistan, the more pissed off I get.

123 Could there be a more sinister motive here than long term plans to destroy the country?

The KSM trial will be a veritable media circus that makes the OJ trial look like a sideshow (wait and see if they don't allow cameras in court).  While this 24/7 media circus is going on they will usher through a bunch of 2000 pp far reaching bills that strip Americans of every right that they have left. (not that many)

Agreed. A diversion of epic proportion.

124 What a waste of time.

If Obama wants to let him go (and it certainly looks that way), he should just give KSM a Presidential pardon and a one-way plane ticket to wherever he wants to go.

That will be a LOT cheaper, easier, and more pleasant for everyone involved than an idiotic show trial of KSM, where his lawyers do everything in their power to smear the prior administration, the Justice Dept, the CIA, and whomever else they can use to distract attention from their client.

The trial will drag on for months, it will cost millions, and given the high bar towards obtaining a criminal prosecution, is likely to be fruitless.

Lets say (for the sake of argument) that KSM is actually convicted of being an accessory, and is sentenced to ten years prison.   He's already been held for 7-8 years, so now he'd be eligible for parole almost immediately.

Is THAT what we want?

125 except it will not be on TV


Pardon me but wasn't there several bills passed in 2000 that allow the use of cameras in federal courts?

126 119 Why do they dump this sh!t on Fridays? I'm so pissed right now I don't know what to say.
Posted by: HeatherS at November 13, 2009 10:36 AM (g3lRW)


How about: "Drink up"!

Posted by: nevergiveup at November 13, 2009 10:37 AM (0GFWk)

It's got to be 5 o'clock somewhere, right?  (and i happen to have some homemade vodka on hand) 

127

>>The KSM trial will be a veritable media circus that makes the OJ trial look like a sideshow

Alls I know is, if there's rioting to be had after whichever verdict comes out, I'm in.

128 What bothers me about this is that what'll happen is that KSM & the few who are tried in NY will get convicted and this will be held up as a "See!  The courts work!" routine and as a repudiation of Bush's policies even though the non-slam dunk cases  never get tried in those courts.

129 Hypothetically, if there was a fire at the Federal Detention Center in NYC - NYFD would have to respond with axes, right.

130 I feel like walking down the hall and ripping the "Yes We Did" poster off of an office mates' door, ripping it in shreds, throwing on his desk and telling him he is part and parcel to this despicable decision.

131

"snag" the number one post.  It's from the old Fray days.

Well, it's time to sack up and not be a child anymore. Squeeze your eyes real tight and try very very hard not to be a fuckwit. We never used to have that problem here where idiots would yell "FIRST" at the top of every comment thread.

132 It's got to be 5 o'clock somewhere, right? (and i happen to have some homemade vodka on hand)

Posted by: HeatherS at November 13, 2009 10:39 AM (g3lRW)

I got 2 more patients and then I will join ya

133 121 The bitch Judith Miller on FOX now defending Islam. Asshole

Posted by: nevergiveup at November 13, 2009 10:37 AM (0GFWk)

That's what is getting my blood boiling even more.  Did you hear the dem rep they had on?

134 Pardon me but wasn't there several bills passed in 2000 that allow the use of cameras in federal courts?

Posted by: Vic at November 13, 2009 10:39 AM (CDUiN)

I think it is at the judge's discretion.  I'll look.

135 He is being tried in a place that forbids the death penalty.  Read bin laden's fatwah, you will see he had the correct judgment on what the USA has become and it is his to destroy (with help from bff obama).

Posted by: J at November 13, 2009 10:32 AM (T3/qP)

The fed and the military can implement the death penalty even if the trial is in New York, if its in the federal system. But if this is going to be tried in state court, his ass should have been shipped to Virginia for the Pentagon disaster. Theres a reason the D.C. sniper got shipped here and was tried and fried. It only takes one murder.

136 One Hundred Thirty Fifth!

137 This is par for the course with Obama, Communists do love a good show trial.

138 I got 2 more patients and then I will join ya

Posted by: nevergiveup at November 13, 2009 10:40 AM (0GFWk)

I'll have them lined up, waiting for ya.

139 Again I was always against sending them there. Don't get me wrong. I just think you guys are way too good to be dying in a foreign land that will never truly value what you did and will one day spit in your face and back stab you.

The theory was that you destroy the enemy in his own house rather than fight him in your own. Unfortunately, it takes a real hard-ass to make that kind of warfare work -- an imperialist power who isn't afraid to kill people by the tens of thousands to impose peace. The Romans could do it; the Brits could do it during the time of the Raj; the Mongols could do it. But Americans just don't have the mental furniture required to fight that kind of war. We like our wars short and decisive; we don't like to hold grudges. (Consider Japan: sixty years back they were a worse enemy than the jihadis are now, and we hated them enough to kill them in the hundreds of thousands; but now they are considered strong allies.)

America just isn't cut out, politically or culturally, to fight the kind of long-term war we're being called on to fight now. It's an ideological war that pits Islam against western liberalism...but we find it uncomfortable to admit that. It's a cultural war that pits repressive, backward, largely-illiterate cavemen against the most technologically advanced military the world has ever seen...but we can't seem to find the will to crush our enemies underfoot. It's a war of Westphalian nation-states against tribal factions...but we don't have any mental model for that kind of fight, so we declare our enemies to be "insurgents", and try to force them into the nation-state structure so as to know what to do with them.

Americans have begun to believe that history's arrow only ever moves in one direction: forward. That the inevitable impulse of the world is to greater prosperity, greater peace, greater understanding. We do not understand that we are an anomaly in world history, not a vanguard. Afghanistan and Iraq are what is normal for most of human history, not us. We ignore that fact at our own peril. America was not inevitable; it came about through the will of a comapratively few men and women. It can be lost with dreadful ease.

Our grandchildren may not live in a world of fantastic technological wonders; they may live in a hut lit only by fire, eating food that they have grown or killed themselves, and tell their children stories of a fabulous but now-lost past age when giants walked the earth.

140 Hey, they got me.

141 Idiot fucking libtards want to bow the fuck down and say "we're sorry 9-11 terorrists for locking you up so long, Americans are the ones who should be locked up".  The true Dem believes we damn well deserved 9-11, and we need to atone for our sins.  This shit makes me sick to my fucking stomach.

142 A great book that goes into the rationale and precedent behind using Military Tribunals to judge saboteurs, spies, and terrorists is : http://tinyurl.com/y9978vv
It is called Saboteurs: The Nazi Raid on America.

The law to hold military tribunals for terrorists and saboteurs dates back to the Civil War.

143 That's what is getting my blood boiling even more. Did you hear the dem rep they had on?

Posted by: HeatherS at November 13, 2009 10:40 AM (g3lRW)

yeah and if I heard correctly he was in the Navy and for that I apologize

144

I predict (and hope) this trial turns into a total farce and outrage. I'd love to see this blow up in Barry's face.

145 Blazer, the rocket docket in Alexandria is better location -- but this about the show, not the go.

146

We never used to have that problem here where idiots would yell "FIRST" at the top of every comment thread.

Someone got up on the wrong side of the bed this morning.  And you've always been such a good boy.

147 First!

148 I predict (and hope) this trial turns into a total farce and outrage. I'd love to see this blow up in Barry's face.

Posted by: Tinian at November 13, 2009 10:44 AM (7+pP9)

And one round of .30 as he's escorted to the airport for deportation to Goatshagistan.  That vest doesn't protect the temple.  As someone said, he can not be allowed out of this country alive.

149 yeah and if I heard correctly he was in the Navy and for that I apologize

Posted by: nevergiveup at November 13, 2009 10:44 AM (0GFWk)

Well, there's at least one in every bunch.

Pataki is on there now givin' em hell!

150 It appears as though cameras are allowed at the judge's discretion.

http://tinyurl.com/yc82jgz

Both the House and Senate Judiciary committees have passed legislation in the past two years that would authorize, but not require, cameras in federal courts. But neither the full House nor the Senate has voted on the legislation.

151 I think the laptop guy should be the prosecution for this case. Seems he would be smarter than anyone in this fuckin administration.

152 I think the laptop guy should be the prosecution for this case.

Bitch needs to work the other corner.

153 @64 Twinks On stopping Obama by distrupting Washington: "They were college kids ... We're grown ups with jobs, kids, family, responsibility. Makes it substantially harder logistically."

So, then sit back and watch as Barack Hussein Obama counts on the fact that you put country behind your own comfort in order to destroy that country for your children.

You deserve what you get, sir. You are leaving a legacy for your children.

Your legacy to them will be your cowardice.

154 Hey, if you click on my name and enter "montage" in the "create a montage" box, your computer gets all pissy.

155 Ug boots guy could run the defense.

156

How much more of this bullshit are we supposed to take?  Good grief, last night I called my mom, I was so upset over Pelosi's remarks and Odumbos ass dragging over the war and I just vented.  Poor mom.. now this.

No matter how much we protest, how many rally's we hold, they ARE NOT LISTENING.  The media alreadys portrays us as nutjobs.  Getting violent will only make them sit back and say "see, told you so".  So... what... we call our congressmen and senators?  Yeah, that worked great on the health care bill didn't it?  THEY DON'T CARE.

157 154 Thanks for the warning.

158 The Chinese would have shot this guy already and billed his family for the freakin bullets.

159

What happens if there is an acquittal?

Moving target practice?

160

Someone got up on the wrong side of the bed this morning.  And you've always been such a good boy.

Hey, all I'm sayin' is I absolutely reserve the right to delete that bullshit. Or alter it to make you sound like more of a fuckin' idiot. Fair warning.

161

I'm willing to wait and see how this plays out.  If he is convicted and gets the death penalty, i will be content. If its anything less I will be disappointed.

 

When they move him to NYC for the trial, will he have to stay in the general population section of jail during the trial?

162 Ooh, Holder's going to be making a statement on all this.  Yipee!!!

163 Couldn't happen to a bigger bunch of Schmucks in NYC that elected these idiots.

C'mon, you know y'all are thinking it.

164 Didn't Holder's law firm represent some of these scumbags down at GITMO?

165

Hey, all I'm sayin' is I absolutely reserve the right to delete that bullshit. Or alter it to make you sound like more of a fuckin' idiot. Fair warning.

That would be a mistake.

166 Meanwhile, Hotair noted that WH aid Greg Craig just got shit-canned, because he "damaged US-British relations by sticking four Gitmo detainees on a plane to Bermuda, and after he dumped less than a dozen more on the island nation of Palau..."

Heh. Wonder what the spin will be when those "detainees" kill 13 people in Palau? "Gitmo Induced PTSD"?

167 Posted by: Monty at November 13, 2009 10:42 AM (4Pleu)

I know, I know, you are 100% right.

It just pains me to see you're doing all of this and getting hated everywhere and not seeing a thank you, a helping hand here and there..

I live in Europe and have always been very pro-American an it's something that I start to see less and less everyday.
I hear the most stupid, hateful anti-american shit almost at a daily basis. Even at work. By the most educated, normal "peace-loving" guys you can imagine.

And try and talk them out? I lost friends because I just could not hear the "Americans brought 9/11 on themselves" shit anymore.

168 This one is easy. At least one will get off, the attorney will be a secular Jew with a pony tail, and the jihadist will spend the rest of his life taxiing people to La Guardia airport.

169 Posted by: Ben at November 13, 2009 10:51 AM (wuv1c)
According to a former FBI agent Fox had on, the building where they're going to hold these guys will be perfectly all right, because that's where they held Madoff.

170 This one is easy. At least one will get off, the attorney will be a secular Jew with a pony tail, and the jihadist will spend the rest of his life taxiing people to La Guardia airport.

Posted by: rawmuse at November 13, 2009 10:55 AM (3y/4Q)

Don't forget the campus speaking tour.

171 http://tinyurl.com/63rxqz

172 So they are comparing Madoff to people that murdered 3000 Americans on US soil in an act of war and have murdered many thousands more abroad? Wow.....just wow.

173
Sam waterson wil lose the case, KSM will go free, and we will find out it was really a rich white conservative christian behind it all

BOOOOOOSH!!!!!!!!!111!11!

174 I hear the most stupid, hateful anti-american shit almost at a daily basis.

You watch MSNBC?

175

Why NYC federal court?

My guess is that it happened in NY.

176 I wouldn't be suprised if some  Kahane type guy takes a shot at him

177 Yeah, but when you add up all of the charges (assault, vandalism, second-degree conspiracy to commit arson, manslaughter, criminal mischief, and at least a half-dozen violations of FAA regulations) they could get a lot of time, assuming they're convicted on all of them.

178 So, montage, you're threatening the driver?

179 According to a former FBI agent Fox had on, the building where they're going to hold these guys will be perfectly all right, because that's where they held Madoff.

[face palm]

180 It's not Malor's blog, and re-writing a post that said "snag" would be astronomically stupid.

181 164 Didn't Holder's law firm represent some of these scumbags down at GITMO?

Posted by: Mal at November 13, 2009 10:53 AM (Z+qzA)

Yes.   http://xrl.in/3pxl

182 And Monty, maybe you're not cut out to fight this type of war but you're the only one's who can.

At least I have to believe that, believe in what your country stands for.

Can't loose faith in that too..

183 My totem animal, the skunk, just gave me a spirit vision that showed me future. They will be aquitted. Eric Holder will anounce the Eichmans deserved it, fine the US government 20 million dollars, and release all the detainees. They will then all be offered jobs at Harvard, Berkley, the University of Colorado, and NYU. 

184 snag

(It's ok if it's not the first post)

185

1 FLAMING SKULL

Leave me out of this shit. 

I'll come out when we give away our Marine bases in Japan, oh yeah, "the one" did that yesterday, guess I'd better somber up. Looks like it's going to a long three more years.

 

186

http://tinyurl.com/2sgkag

Tweet Calrissian at November 13, 2009 10:16 AM (e2VuW)

This was the last I heard.

187 I hear the most stupid, hateful anti-american shit almost at a daily basis.

You watch MSNBC?


SShe doesn't need to.  The BBC World cable news is essentially MSNBC with a Brit accent.

188

Can't you feel the love and respect Ø has for all things millitary?

http://tinyurl.com/yjbq8et

189

It wouldn't surprise me if Obama would like to see KSM and the others aquitted and released.  He could then tell the Muslims, "See?  I like you guys better than Americans."

190

Post 105 has it right - Obama wants to undue Bush's terrorism efforts.  What better way to show the world that fighting terrorism with the military doesn't work than have a trial for KSM in civilian court.  Not only do you have a problem with the waterboarding, but you also have the problem of using intelligence in an open court.  I'd bet that there is a lot of classified information regarding KSM's involvement in 9/11, as well as other plots, and the U.S. Intelligence Agencies don't want their sources and methods in open court.

KSM will walk and Obama can preen about fighting terror the right way: his way.  Which is no way at all.  It's a return to 9/10/01.  Actually, it will be worse than that.  I have no doubt that Obama will separate the military and the law enforcement agencies from working closely, Fort Hood be damned.  Why?  He'll point to the KSM trial.  "See how you can't prosecute?" Obama will say.  I can only hope some of those 52%ers will wake up and realize Obama doesn't give a shit about terror.  He only care about himself and his legacy.

The fact that KSM walks won't worry Obama a bit.  In his mind, and in the mind of all those liberals out there, the fault for KSM walking will lie in the hands of Bush.  And they will blame Bush.  That's the only thing they do well.

191 You watch MSNBC?
Posted by: Herr Morgenholz at November 13, 2009 10:57 AM (5aa4z)

Imagine this:

MSNBC is your only TV channel.

People watch it everyday and take it word for word

Or better

Imagine a country with 80% hard-core extreme lefty liberals and commies.

There, it's where I live.

192 169 Posted by: Ben at November 13, 2009 10:51 AM (wuv1c) According to a former FBI agent Fox had on, the building where they're going to hold these guys will be perfectly all right, because that's where they held Madoff. -- That building might be OK when the threat is old, Jewish matrons who lost their savings, the threat to KSM is the NYPD, NYFD, and every armed patriot in 500mi radius. Everyone working in that facility is a resident of the NYC area, they might not personally beat him to death with a chair - but if a retired cop who lost a son or daughter on 9/11 asks them leave a door unlocked?

193 You deserve what you get, sir. You are leaving a legacy for your children.

Your legacy to them will be your cowardice.

Someguy, chill.  I was making a broad observation, not a personal statement to my commitment.  You know, as to the collective mindset of people who have fucking responsibilities.  Don't throw that cowardice, you-get-what-you-deserve shit in my face.  I'm anything but.  You don't know me, so don't presume to know anything about me. 

194 Terrorists the world over are rubbing their hands in glee at this farce.

They started in with the "glee thing" on Obama's inauguration day.  Their expectations for him were very high, but he's been delivering the goods for them right down the line. 

He's a real team player, a real trooper.  That's just the way he rolls.

195 Re#153 Someguy
"So, then sit back and watch as Barack Hussein Obama counts on the fact that you put country behind your own comfort in order to destroy that country for your children."

That's a bit much.  He wasn't advocating "sitting back".  He just observed that the other has side has the resources to demonstrate 24/7.  Our side has been demonstrating like never before and we have to earn a living.

196 we give away our Marine bases in Japan, oh yeah, "the one" did that yesterday

What?  I missed this.

197

You watch MSNBC?
Posted by: Herr Morgenholz at November 13, 2009 10:57 AM (5aa4z)

Imagine this:

MSNBC is your only TV channel.

People watch it everyday and take it word for word

Or better

Imagine a country with 80% hard-core extreme lefty liberals and commies.

There, it's where I live.

Ah, pining for the days of  Sazlazar, eh?

198

#185  I'll come out when we give away our Marine bases in Japan, oh yeah, "the one" did that yesterday, guess I'd better somber up. Looks like it's going to a long three more years.

I didn't hear about that, but it doesn't surprise me for some reason. 

Although Murtha might be a little ticked that we won't be able to redeploy to Japan...

199 Everybody take their dickhead pills this morning, or what?

200

I just think you guys are way too good to be dying in a foreign land that will never truly value what you did and will one day spit in your face and back stab you. See:

South Korea

201

What happens if there is an acquittal?

Impeachment.

With overwhelming public support.

202 There, it's where I live.

Posted by: Sofia at November 13, 2009 11:03 AM (GpIet)

You live in Vermont?  I thought you were a Euro.

203

A jury full of SC rednecks is less likely to let this turd off.

Down here you'd not only have rednecks, you'd have Black necks that would convict these guys.

Bring'em on down, Bubba thinks they have pretty mouths.

204 I think the best we can hope for is an E-8 with PTSD and cancer, takes care of the problem at GITMO.

205 Holder:Nearly 3000 Americans lost their lives on 9/11. They didn't LOSE their lives their lives were TAKEN you motherfucker.

206 Where do you live Sofia?

207 @199

Well, I'm a chick, so I think my pill is called something else. 

208 That's just the way he rolls.

I roll like a fucking hammer.

209

I got 2 more patients and then I will join ya.

I'm out of patience too. I'm starting without ya'll.

210 What happens if there is an acquittal?

The Present whines about how all the media frenzy is interrupting his waffles.

211 He seems to forget that the law of war has provided for these trials for hundreds of years.  Trying these Muslim Corsairs in civilian court is not only dumb and dangerous, but also a complete rejection of eons-old military practice.  That's coming from an attorney, a former Marine Corps prosecutor and a former Special Asst US Atty.  I'm so ashamed of him..

212 At least they're going to seek the death penalty.

213 Shout out to McCain. Fits the script...

214 And try and talk them out? I lost friends because I just could not hear the "Americans brought 9/11 on themselves" shit anymore.

I think much of it is actually self-hatred. Hatred of the entire western liberalist political system. Hatred of their meaningless, do-nothing days and nights. The whole pointlessness of their idle hours.

They've lived under the American security umbrella for so long that they can't conceive of existential threats any more. Older European folks are far more realistic about the world they live in; even (maybe even particularly) the French, who are probably the most conflicted about America. Both Britian and Europe have done a dandy job of so ossifying their economies that the state is really the only avenue for a living: your money comes from the dole, you live in a government flat, you work at a government job (when and if one opens up). It's not exciting, it's not fulfilling...but it's safe. You can drink yourself to oblivion on the weekends to try to jolt your spirit into remembering why you're alive at all. Being piss-drunk isn't the same as being happy; but it's close enough for many kids on the Continent.

Europe, in my view, fought a long civil war from 1914 until 1950 or so. They exsanguinated themselves: millions dead, and for what? Nothing. The children of that age grew into bitter, confused, and selfish adults; they bred children even more atavistic than they are. They do not look to the future because for them there really is no future. There is only the ever-present now. (Theodore Dalrymple has written at length about this in his City Journal essays, which I cannot recommend highly enough.)

The monarchies were gone, the empires were gone, but all the old habits of mind -- and all the old threats like Russia -- remained. The old religions fell away, and new ones rose up: Communism, Fascism, Nazism, Christian-Democratic socialism, all manner and degree of -isms. Nothing worked. Europe reminds me of a lovely old house that has been burned out inside: the facade is still as lovely and striking as ever, but the inside is burned out and empty. The sounds of church-bells are replaced by the call of the muezzin from the mosque minaret.

215

Everybody take their dickhead pills this morning, or what?

Powdered them down and snorted them.

216 Maybe as a compromise we should have had military tribunals, on a USN ship in NY harbor. With the hanging on deck for all of NYC to see.

217
I don't get how they can prosecute this in criminal courts,besides the field day his lawyers are going to have withe the legality of water boarding, was he ever read his Miranda Rights?

218

For 200 years we have never tried enemy combatants in civilian court.

219 Posted by: Ben at November 13, 2009 11:04 AM (wuv1c)

No, I wasn't even born at the time Salazar was prime-minister, so I don't know.

Pining for the days yet to come. Don't know about the rest of this country but I deserve more that to have half of my pay check go to socialist hands for what? A new high speed train?

Don't want fascists or socialists, but I see it's too much to ask.

@206 Portugal. Used to be sunny, not anymore

Winston, thanks, now I know where no to go when moving to the US (one can dream..)

220

And here is the kicker, Monty:

They learned nothing...absolutely nothing from the past century.

221 216 Maybe as a compromise we should have had military tribunals, on a USN ship in NY harbor. With the hanging on deck for all of NYC to see.

Posted by: Jean at November 13, 2009 11:13 AM (tTdaQ)

Best idea i've heard all day!!!

222 @195 RayJ

Our side has been demonstrating like never before and we have to earn a living.

It's even worse than that:  We have to work extra hard to pay the taxes confiscated and misused to put roofs over our opponents' heads and food in their bellies so they're free to protest and demonstrate instead of work.

More than sixty million of our putative countrymen banded-together last November in a conspiracy to relieve the rest of us of our property and security.  Remember that.  It's natural to be angry with the high-profile symbols destroying this country, but it's the ones who voted them into office who need to be punished.

223 (Theodore Dalrymple has written at length about this in his City Journal essays, which I cannot recommend highly enough.)

His books are good, too.  Don't know if you'd find him a public library, though.

224 Miranda Rights - hell - just discussing the actual date of their capture (not arrest), much less the circumstances, is a potential breach of security.

225 Maybe as a compromise we should have had military tribunals, on a USN ship in NY harbor. With the hanging on deck for all of NYC to see.
Posted by: Jean at November 13, 2009 11:13 AM (tTdaQ)

Best idea i've heard all day!!!

Posted by: HeatherS at November 13, 2009 11:15 AM (g3lRW)

We don't really have yardarms anymore?

226

@201

Impeaching Obama wouldn't stop those guys from going free though, and once they're tried in a US court of law it becomes hard to do anything to them.  Legally, anyways. 

My fear is that Obama and his cronies didn't even consider the possibility they may be acquitted, or if they did, that these guys would just disappear and not do anything else.  These guys are real threats, with big body counts possible, if they get back out.  Our Commander-in-Chief doesn't seem to understand that.

 

227 Un. Fucking. Believable.

Everyone in NYC should move out, now. You are now a target, again. Your life will be made miserable by security measures like taking off your shoes every time you enter a building, while Muslims get a free pass.

Desert the city. Let Obama figure out what to do about it.

228 We'll just hit'em with the "Khadijah Defense," and this José will skate like OJ!

229 My fear is that Obama and his cronies didn't even consider the possibility they may be acquitted

I figure they're counting on it.

230 We don't really have yardarms anymore?

Posted by: nevergiveup at November 13, 2009 11:17 AM (0GFWk)

Yardarms?  Just tie them to the rail and push them over the side.

231

#214  Monty, you related to Mark Steyn?

That reads like something he'd write, but with one-liners interspersed throughout. 

232 201

What happens if there is an acquittal  pardon?

FIFY

233

We don't really have yardarms anymore?

We could always sail U.S.S. Constitution down for the event.

234

This guy is a clown.He's quite confident that civilian trials will result in convictions.

So were the LA prosecuters during the OJ trial.

235 christians will be praying to Jesus for KSM

236 Because I was in a rush to get to court, I just turned down successive BBC and Reuters tv requests in Foley Square to comment on KSM being tried in the SDNY--how did they know it was me?  ;-)

Obama is a disgrace.

237 We don't really have yardarms anymore?
Posted by: nevergiveup at November 13, 2009 11:17 AM (0GFWk)

Yardarms? Just tie them to the rail and push them over the side.

Posted by: HeatherS at November 13, 2009 11:20 AM (g3lRW)

Well we could keelhaul them I guess?

238 We don't really have yardarms anymore? Posted by: nevergiveup at November 13, 2009 11:17 AM (0GFWk) -- The scaffolding used for painting and scraping will work fine.

239

Hey, all I'm sayin' is I absolutely reserve the right to delete that bullshit. Or alter it to make you sound like more of a fuckin' idiot. Fair warning.

Just do it. Ace warned them before. Time for the penalty phase.

240

BTW, is Judge Ito still available?

241 We don't really have yardarms anymore?

We could always sail U.S.S. Constitution down for the event.

Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at November 13, 2009 11:20 AM (B+qrE)

Or since Boston isn't gonna host another World Series for another 80 years, we could just move the hanging up there I guess?

242 @237 nevergiveup

Well we could keelhaul them I guess?

That'll be a little hard on the screws, don't you think?

243 christians will be praying to Jesus for KSM

As we watch him do a 7 foot drop.

244 I like the USS Constitution idea.

245 Just do it. Ace warned them before. Time for the penalty phase.

Two Hundred Forty Fourth!

246 244 I like the USS Constitution idea.

Posted by: Jean at November 13, 2009 11:23 AM (7K04W)

What about the USS New York?

247
We don't really have yardarms anymore?


we still have planks don't we?

248 Don't torture in my name!

249 What about the USS New York?

Posted by: HeatherS at November 13, 2009 11:25 AM (g3lRW)

Well we could hang them from a hovering chopper

250

235 christians will be praying to Jesus for KSM

So what?  They won't be praying for his release...

251 In honor of KSM, I think I'm gonna have a BLT for lunch today with beer and stare at women in skimpy cloths

252

christians will be praying to Jesus for KSM

I'll be praying that no conservatives will be harmed by his next attack.

253 Everyone in NYC should move out, now.

NO thanks. They might move here. 

254 Just remember, they are innocent until proven guilty.

255 Monty, you are absolutely right.

And about Europeans...there's no such thing, if you ask me. There's no identity holding them together at all, this is a fabrication of the bureaucrats.

We are a fabric of several cultures and have very distinct ways of life. The only thing that truly unites us is anti-Americanism and love for socialist ideals, ie. living under the warm, ever so griping embrace of the state.

But it takes little to make us snap and start hating the neighbor.

And they hate themselves, yes. They think they are the cause of all of this worlds problems. Guilt of being European, Caucasian, descendants of barbarians and warmongers. "Oh, we enslaved and killed, we maimed, we are disgusting, so let others now take their revenge"

It's suicide. It's a rotten and decadent culture.

256

BTW, is Judge Ito still available?

Speaking of people who should be under indictment.

257 Well we could hang them from a hovering chopper

Posted by: nevergiveup at November 13, 2009 11:26 AM (0GFWk)

That would be a good show too.

258 214 - (Theodore Dalrymple has written at length about this in his City Journal essays, which I cannot recommend highly enough.)

And yes, I read that and recommend it too, brilliant writing. Thanks.

259

Well we could hang them from a hovering chopper

We could drop them from a hovering chopper at the old WTC altitude.  If they make it, they go free.

260

We could drop them from a hovering chopper at the old WTC altitude.  If they make it, they go free.

Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at November 13, 2009 11:33 AM (B+qrE)

I like that idea even better.

261

 christians will be praying to Jesus for KSM

I won't be.

Question: If Holder is so confident in the successful prosecution of the five "defendants" why do they have drag them to NYC in the first place?

The way he kept repeating that in the presser made it seem like he was dodging the questions.

262

103 Related, but OT:  Guess who's not going to walk.  The douchebag from Ft Hood.

Well, there goes my dream of having him do the .45 caliber dance as a preliminary to the execution.

I see no reason to call off the dance, unless the fucker doesn't have any feeling in his legs.  Then it'd just be a waste of ammunition.

263

When he was captured, KSM said he'd see them in court in NY with his lawyer. Thanks Obama for making him right. Fucker.

264 Drop off about 200 miles off Eniwetok.  If you can swim to the island with that concrete block chained to your waist, you're a free man.

265

The way he kept repeating that in the presser made it seem like he was dodging the questions.

Posted by: Alex's Cabin at November 13, 2009 11:37 AM (EoRfm)

Oh, he was.

What I would like to see is the "protocols" they used to decide whether or not it was going to be a military tribunal.

266 Fox is reporting that they will seek the death penalty.  LOL, I would assume that if they didn't the masses would rise up.

On the subject of Europeans, the ones on the continent have always been statists, in additon to being a highly stratified society of classes.

The British, while being a class oriented society used to be more admirable of the people as individuals.

I think that after WWWI they started becoming more disillusioned and WWII broke them in more ways than one.

The huge influx of socialists after the war probably had more to do with the British Empire failing than anything.

We are heading in the same direction now. While we have never been a stratified "class" society in the past, we are headed that way now. We have created a permanent "nobility" in political families.

And the day of the temporary congress member disappeared with Davy Crockett.

267 There's no identity holding them together at all, this is a fabrication of the bureaucrats.

I think this is true, though not being European myself I'm obviously speaking as an outsider. You see this every time the EU treaties or G-8 summits are held: Italy is at odds with Germany who is at odds with Spain who in turn accuses the Netherlands of inquity who in turn blame Norway or Sweden for whatever. Europe will never be a united entity in the way the USA is. This is why I laugh at people who claim that the Euro can replace the dollar as the reserve currency. It ain't gonna happen.

Give the EU a decade or so, and you're going to have a monumental bureaucracy as corrupt and inept as anything the Soviets were ever able to come up with. And I fear that England will be on that long black train to hell, though I keep hoping otherwise. My fondness for the cousins makes me wish them well even when all omens promise doom.

268 16 trailor trash
"...promises to be a circus and as security nightmare...."

Amen. A very good friend of mine is a Deputy Federal Marshal and worked the security for the trial of the Blind Shiek. "Nightmare" doesn't begin to describe it, and the trial for KSM will be even worse.

And Gabe, you know what else is shameful?

The administration has Holder announce this thing on a day when Zero isn't even on the continent. He's always wanted it done, but doesn't even have the stones to be here when the plan is announced on the off-chance that someone might ask him a question about it. Spineless.

269

Hey, all I'm sayin' is I absolutely reserve the right to delete that bullshit. Or alter it to make you sound like more of a fuckin' idiot. Fair warning.

Just do it. Ace warned them before. Time for the penalty phase

Didn't want to get involved, but really? Over saying  "first" or "snag? Is it that big of a deal? Don't get me wrong, i am am the type of guy who gets annoyed by small things, but this seems stupid. My computer has this cool attachment that allows me to scroll over stuff i don't want to read, it's called a mouse. I'm sure you can pick one up at your local electronics store.

Seems like everyone is on razors edge here

270

After the Feds seized the Iranian fronted mosques yesterday, I expected something ominous for the weekly Friday Night O-Dark-Thirty Document Dump....but this is ridiculous.

271

#262 I see no reason to call off the dance, unless the fucker doesn't have any feeling in his legs.  Then it'd just be a waste of ammunition.

They should bring in the woman who stopped his rampage to initiate this dance. 

Boy, Hasan must be feeling pretty low right now.  First being stopped and then being paralyzed by an infidel woman.

272 This is all about keeping the things Bush did in the spotlight for the next couple of years. When the trial gets underway the MSM will be able to discuss torture, and if they get away on technicalities how it can be blamed on Bush for illegal torture etc.

Sorry Gabe, I don't buy the theory that these people are the ones they have the most evidence on. I see these being brought here for trial as the ones caught under the Bush Administration.

And those under Clinton, like the Cole bomber, will go military tribunal. We don't want to embarrass his administration.

273
Nothing like making us weaker and weaker in the world's eyes. They are laughing their a$$e$ off in the middle east right now.

It still boggles my mind how this POTUS was ever elected in the first place. Thanks MSM for the great vetting job on this guy. /JERKS!

274

Still trying to wrap my mind around 9-11 leading to the election of a radical muslim president.

It's like knowing your husband has fidelity issues and going out and hiring a hot flirty 20 year old nanny who likes to wear short short shorts.

 

275

 

254 Just remember, they are innocent until  after proven guilty.

Posted by: President Obama at November 13, 2009 11:30 AM (TpXEI)

276

Seems like everyone is on razors edge here

I wonder why.  I'm in a pissy mood and I'm usually in a great mood on Friday.  All the shit going on is depressing and scary.

277 Didn't want to get involved, but really? Over saying  "first" or "snag? Is it that big of a deal? Don't get me wrong, i am am the type of guy who gets annoyed by small things, but this seems stupid. My computer has this cool attachment that allows me to scroll over stuff i don't want to read, it's called a mouse. I'm sure you can pick one up at your local electronics store.

Agreed.  Should AoS go to a system where all comments get approved before they get posted, lest we offend someone's ever so delicate sensibilities?  Is that where we are going here?  I hope not.

278

Why not put him on trial in The Peoples Court.

 

Or Night Court for that matter. Bum Bum Bum tssss  Bum Bum Bum

279 @10: hmm, which lefty band will be the first to write a song called '183'?
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Hmm. I smell a remake of "Turk 182!"

280 Why New York City?  Might as well choose San Francisco if they just want a jury to set them free. 

281 What could possibly go wrong?

282 NO thanks. They might move here. 

Already happened.  Witness the 08 election results here in NC, and Virginia for that matter.

In my sleepy little coastal town in NC I'm hearing NY accents all the time.  It's very weird, but as a guy originally from New England I can't rightfully object.

283 #120: I *think* the argument for doing it this way is that the 9/11 attacks (at least in NYC and the planes) were civilian targets, and that somehow translates into it needing to be done in civilian courts.  And so with this move, President Unicorn has not only delegitimized our response (the war in Afghanistan, along with military action elsewhere as part of the GWOT) but delegitimized past things like the Nuremburg trials and any other war crimes tribunal.

Exactly.  Furthermore, this reasoning actually increases the incentive for targeting civilians.  Kill a soldier, and you're stuck at Gitmo, tried by military officers.  Kill civilians, and you get an ACLU attorney and a liberal New York jury.

Choices, choices...

284 Is it that big of a deal? Don't get me wrong, i am am the type of guy who gets annoyed by small things, but this seems stupid.

It's may be fun if you're six, but Ace asked us not to do it. So if you're not six do you really need another reason?

285 Boy, Hasan must be feeling pretty low right now. First being stopped and then being paralyzed by an infidel woman. Posted by: Kratos (on the back of Gaia, scaling Mt Olympus) at November 13, 2009 11:41 AM (9hSKh) -- and female nurse checking his catheter twice a day.

286 Should AoS go to a system where all comments get approved before they get posted, lest we offend someone's ever so delicate sensibilities?  Is that where we are going here?

Kiss my ass, you chicken-choking knob-gobbling gonad-grinder! Lick my taint! A bag of dicks would be the follow-up course to the sweat you'd drink off of my sweaty nut-sack! Your mother gives blowjobs for jukebox money! Your sister is a stinky pirate hooker!

Hrm. The nasty-filter does not seem to be in effect at present, anyway. Or perhaps I am not being sufficiently vulgar?

287
What a douchebag, Obama is willing to gamble the lives and safety of New Yorkers while the trial is going on so he can score political points with his base.

288 We've been asked not to swear too.  Everyone seems to have taken that to heart.

289

#286  Hrm. The nasty-filter does not seem to be in effect at present, anyway. Or perhaps I am not being sufficiently vulgar?

Not enough F and S-bombs, Monty, you f*$!ing light-weight.

290 279 @10: hmm, which lefty band will be the first to write a song called '183'?
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Hmm. I smell a remake of "Turk 182!"

Tub 183?

291

 CM at November 13, 2009 11:48 AM (f14vX)

Could he also be tried at the Hague (sp) where Milosovick will be/was tried for crimes against humanity or is that just for military trials?

292 We've been asked not to swear too.  Everyone seems to have taken that to heart.

Posted by: kefka at November 13, 2009 11:52 AM (n1uMU)

Fricka Fracka Frockin Frucka!

293 This is going to go very badly for the administration.  If one of these guys beats a serious charge or two, it's going to be really ugly.  And if any of them are set free, they're gonna have some splainin' to do.

294 Looking at things on the bright side, when Khalid Sheikh Mohammed and the rest of his jihadi friends from Gitmo go free like Bill Ayers and OJ, perhaps it will cause enough people to lose their last bit of respect for our legal system so that anybody who proposes a law enforcement approach to the War on Terror will be laughed out of politics.

At least among those who have not lost their voting rights after having gone to prison for not buying health insurance.

295  My computer has this cool attachment that allows me to scroll over stuff i don't want to read, it's called a mouse.

Mine does too but strangely enough, it doesn't know to move until I take a look at the messages and decide to move ahead.

Sweet Jesus, I know this is a moron blog but *come on*...

296 @287 bulwark

What a douchebag, Obama is willing to gamble the lives and safety of New Yorkers while the trial is going on so he can score political points with his base.

Manhattan went 85% for Obama.  If there was ever a time to observe that the chickens are coming home to roost, it's now.  Elections have consequences, and the 52 are dead to me.

297 @76: There is a small but not insignificant chance that KSM and others could be acquitted in a civil criminal trial.
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You're more optimistic than me. What's the last very high profile case the Feds haven't screwed up?

298 Could he also be tried at the Hague...


I'm in charge here!!!

299

We have created a permanent "nobility" in political families.

NO WE HAVEN'T !!!

300 You're more optimistic than me. What's the last very high profile case the Feds haven't screwed up?
Posted by: Anachronda at November 13, 2009 12:01 PM (LD+ZJ)

Most people don't go to court with the feds since it is so damn expensive. The feds will spend a million to sue ya for $100. They don't care, it's not their money. Now in this case WE are going to be paying for both sides, see, so it don't matter. We are gonna get screwed no matter what.

301 Posted by: Monty at November 13, 2009 11:40 AM (4Pleu)

One of the reasons I've been considering getting out of Europe is that I do not identify at all with what's going on here and I see that only a very small number of us are actually willing to do something.

I see that the money I earn and I work hard for is taken out of my hands and into the pockets of people who sit all day and do nothing, because "it's hard to get a job" or "it pays very little".

We have social health care, wanna know what? I and an ever growing number of Portuguese have to pay a private insurance company AND the state! To get seen by a doctor I had to pay.State medicine does not work.
Because I cannot skip a day of work to stay in a line and wait hours to be seen and the earliest they could make an appointment was in 2 months.

Routine, routine!
My ex needs to have a surgery, laser, very quick, very easy but needs to be done asap. Still waiting. Months. There's a waiting line for that.. and he's going to have to wait at least 6 months.

I have to pay to social security AND a private insurance company or bank so that one day I can have a retiremnt plan, once they say that SS will be broke once I'm old enough to retire..

So I'm paying the state for what? Oh, I know, so they can bribe the media, and sponsor their trips to Thailand and Bijan suits.

Sorry for the rant ant the OT...

302

Monty @ 286

That was a masterful collection of nastiness. I am impressed

303 Adolf ficking Hitler would walk free under Eric Holder's justice system.

304 Have to agree with Andy McCarthy and Tendstl. This is about blaming Bush and delegitimizing any use of US power militarily. Gives cover for World Court prosecutions of our troops and intel people. Don't forget that KSM wanted to plead guilty at his previously planned tribunal. This will do two things... Give him a soapbox to brag and give leftist lawyers/presstitutes/activists a feast of helpfully distracting Bush bashing.

305 It is a win-win for Obama. If he convicts, he gets to make speech vindicating the law enforcement approach and discrediting Bush -- and the leftys go wild. If he loses, he blames Bush for torture and not maintaining a chain of custody on the evidence -- and the leftys go wild. Unfortunately, it is a lose-lose for America; a win in these cherry-picked cases establishes a precedent for a law enforcement approach, and a loss allows our enemies to ridicule us. (I hope they hold back some charges, so that if they lose - they can still hold on to these guys - releasing them would be pure folly that Obama could not allow.)

306 The shelf life on blaming Bush for everything has expired. Let them try.

307

Well Sofia when your Social services do go bankrupt you can console yourself by hearing people blame America for their ills. It seems to be the rage in Europe anyway you could try to slip in a "Damn Obama ruined the world's economy by borrowing all the money we could be using now! Screw him!!".

I have a feeling we will all be singing that tune shortly.

308 I'll probably be dead before there is a verdict in these cases.

309 Kick it up a notch Monty. You haven't hit the threshold yet :-)

310 I would imagine the Jihadis are just waiting for a date for the trial so they can start planning for an attack.  This will be a security nightmare for New Yorkers for years.  This is madness.

311 We are all sitting here and postulating that the "people" will rise up in protest if KSM, or one of the other douche-bags, walks.  But stop and think about this.

How many of those "people" rose up in protest when the House passed a bill that would raise electricity rates on the average of 5 times current and required you to spend more money than your house is worth to add a $5K sun-room?

How many of those "people" are rising up at the prospect of a House bill that will send them to jail if they do not buy expensive health insurance that most can't afford?

I think before we get our expectations up we should remember what truly stupid people the liberals who voted for these communists are.

312
MikeO

They don't deserve to die for their stupidity,besides what about innocent children,and not everyone in NY is a liberal.If some subway platform gets shot up by a jihadist looking to make a name for himself during the media circus created by these show trials the blame will rest squarely on Obama and his Justice Department.

313 Is there any way past not reading them their Miranda rights?

314 If I have said it once, I have said it before, this cocksucker is going to get somebody killed.  Obama sucks cock

315

The 1st, 4th, 5th, 6th amendments were not meant to protect foreign nationals that are hell bent on detroying the country.  Islamists have figured out how to use our Constitution against us, and Holder and Obama just opened that door wide. 

 

316 Is there any way past not reading them their Miranda rights?
Posted by: Johnnie Cochran at November 13, 2009 12:13 PM (kKP5O)

If the shmatta don't fit, you must acquit!

317 292 We've been asked not to swear too.  Everyone seems to have taken that to heart.

Posted by: kefka at November 13, 2009 11:52 AM (n1uMU)

About f*cking time!!!

318 OT:

Morning M&M's, just wondering if this new book penned by Sarah will be the bible for the new Conservative Party in America, I hope so.

319 Bad Idea Gabriel?  Hell, give me one time the this Solialist/Communist president has had a good idea. Or made a good decision in the interests for the USA for the good of the common taxpayer.

320 I see that the money I earn and I work hard for is taken out of my hands and into the pockets of people who sit all day and do nothing, because "it's hard to get a job" or "it pays very little".

It happens here too. In fact, it's probably worse in some US states (Rhode Island, Massachusetts, California) than it is in Europe. And the way our national debt is exploding, that's only going to get worse absent some major corrective in the next few years. Still, we do still have states like Texas that reward initiative and drive rather than punish it. (That's one of the advantages of the federal system, I guess -- if you don't like one state, you pull up stakes and go somewhere else. It's a lot less jarring to move from California to Texas than it would be to move from France to Poland.)

321 This is Obama's "Bring 'em on" moment, daring the Jihadists to attack New York City

322 @312 bulwark

85%

85%

They don't deserve to die for their stupidity,besides what about innocent children,and not everyone in NY is a liberal.

Yes, they do.  They are the ones who put the children at risk.  They are the ones who put me and mine at risk.

If they were too stupid to connect the dots between pulling the lever for the kenyan princess and today's announcement, then they are too stupid to participate in government and need to learn to keep their asses far away from the polls on election day.  If that "far away" involves six feet of dirt put there by karma, then that is perfectly fine by me.

If some subway platform gets shot up by a jihadist looking to make a name for himself during the media circus created by these show trials the blame will rest squarely on Obama and his Justice Department.

No.  They blame rests squarely with the sixty million flecks of shit who put the kenyan princess into the White House with their votes.  The scorpion cannot help but sting.  It's what he does.

323 It is a win-win for Obama.

Not these days.  8 months ago maybe.  The American public is slowly recognizing it made a big mistake with Obama and they're not buying his bullshit to the degree they did during the first few months.

My prediction:  These trials drive his popularity numbers well under 50%.  The left will swoon and wipe their chin yet again, but the rest of the country will recognize this for exactly what it is.

324 310 I would imagine the Jihadis are just waiting for a date for the trial so they can start planning for an attack.  This will be a security nightmare for New Yorkers for years.  This is madness.

Posted by: dan in michigan at November 13, 2009 12:11 PM (88w67)

I was thinking the same thing.  Do you think they'll be smart enough to not announce a date too early?

325 I gonna giveup my day job and buy a hot dog stand out in front of the Federal Building in lower manhattan.

326 This is just a chance for odumbass to appease the mooslims so they won't kick our asses again, not going to work and he will be brought up on charges of treason, just wait and see!

327 325 I gonna giveup my day job and buy a hot dog stand out in front of the Federal Building in lower manhattan.

Posted by: nevergiveup at November 13, 2009 12:22 PM (0GFWk)

Can I buy into this business?

328
nevergiveup

 make sure it's bullet proof.

329 How is it we can not prosecute Somali pirates because of jurisdictional issues but we can prosecute terrorists who were not mirandised, legally extradited, and who were searched without warrants. They all will walk.

330 307
Well Sofia when your Social services do go bankrupt you can console yourself by hearing people blame America for their ills.

I'd have eloped by then. Oh...wait..

Posted by: Monty at November 13, 2009 12:17 PM (4Pleu)

Ok, so I have nowhere to go, is that it?
Oh boy, there's not enough alcohol in the world right now...

331

DID YOU SEE MEGMAC ON OREILLY LAST NIGHT?

332 That's just fuckin peachy! Here in NYC, we're happy to have the 911 hijackers back. Please fly Air Force One low over Wall Street, too, while you're at it. And leave us totally in the dark, so we think it's another terrorist attack.

SMARTEST PRESIDENT EVER!!11!!11!!

333 Security problems for New York City, stronghold of Zeromania? BDS central? Thats a shame, no, really it is...

334 MegMac, you have my heart forever.

335

Sidebar: that number, 183, has become the received wisdom on KSM's waterboarding. It is not actually the number of times he was waterboarded and it's a shame that the NY Post is repeating it.

183 is more likely the number of drops of water splashed on the fucker's face. Hell, we could make it even more impressive if we break it down into the number of fucking molecules they used. Heck, that would probably be in the millions.....

Fuck.

336 Just to brighten all you morons a bit, see where today Obastard disavows our use of the atomic bomb in WWII.  Enjoy!

337

Sidebar: that number, 183, has become the received wisdom on KSM's waterboarding. It is not actually the number of times he was waterboarded and it's a shame that the NY Post is repeating it.

183 is more likely the number of drops of water splashed on the fucker's face. Hell, we could make it even more impressive if we break it down into the number of fucking molecules they used. Heck, that would probably be in the millions.....

Fuck.

Ready the caterpillar.

338

That idiot in the White House just doesn't get it. There's one word I guarantee he hasn't considered nor even thought in any of his planning.

Backlash.

And it will be enormous and world-shifting.

Maybe not when some think it is likely, but definitely it is coming. While some posters above have noted that American warfighting is best suited for decisive, short wars as opposed to long slogs, there is one thing that the fucking world should remember. If we are pushed, we can make ANY goddamned war into a short, decisive, and completed one. If something is too much of a goddamned bother, we'll fucking nuke the place into lava. We've tried being nice, we've held back for 8 years doing as much as has ever been done by any military and country to target just the enemy - above and beyond any fantasy of any critic with a lick of sense about how things work. We've bled and died to give people the best chance possible to not be caught in the sideblast. We've done more than ever asked by any tribunal or diplomat in any prior war to reduce our deadly impact while pursuing this war. Backlash will be, to summarize, "Fuck it. Wipe out the area."

Afghanistan? You gots you some provinces with Taliban? Pull your forces back within 24 hrs, look south, and avoid those provinces for the next forty years.  Then saturation bomb them with multi-megatonners until everything including viruses are dead. Anyone responding with lip to us? Respond by informing the bitches that we will consider a repeat of the same sing-song to be support and alliance with our enemies and we would be happy to remove them from the planet as well. Wednesday is always open for new appointments. Do they want a fucking table at this thermonuclear buffet or will they keep their fucking mouths shut?

Backlash will be us finally taking off our goddamned kid gloves and using some real weapons on our enemies - and making damned sure we reduce OUR casualties instead of giving medieval goatfuckers the benefit of the doubt. Instead we'll just fill them full of alpha particles and let nature take it's decay series course.

And yeah, backlash will finally allow us to outlaw the concept of tenure in any state-funded institution and allow us to overturn Tate vs US where Commies got the ability to foment sedition without being hanged. Time for some fucking change, I feel it in the goddamned wind. Can't wait to see some traitors swinging their heels in it.

339 @336 Yeah, I saw that too.  Not surprising in the least.  Obama is nothing if not completely predictable.  How many lives did those 2 bombs save?  Millions, without a doubt.  Obama is an embarrassment to the human race.

340 336 Just to brighten all you morons a bit, see where today Obastard disavows our use of the atomic bomb in WWII.  Enjoy!

Hiroshima was the wrong decision? He was thinking more along the lines of Tokyo or Kobe?

341

Oh, you guys, Malor's just having a bad day.  Lord knows I've had my share.  It'll blow over.

Cuz if it doesn't, I'm going sic the nightshifters on your lazy, dayshiftless asses.

342 I still say we should cut Obama some slack. And please, don't start talking about doing anything violent. Let's use the voting booth, not violence to change things.

343

338

I have days when I feel that way. About 365 of them every year.

344

George Orwell

Dear God doesn't the moron understand that there are literally millions of people alive today both American and Japanese that would have never been born if we had not dropped the bomb?

345 #338 Damn, I get mist eyed just reading that. Bring that backlash on faster.

346 Check out this collie.  Spitting image of Meghan McCain.

347 Weeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee!




/Teh glass maker falling on mecca.
copying the guy who always says weeeeeee!

348 With all the evidence mounting, will the confused, blue-blooded, temperate, moderate Republicans finally admit their error in judging Barry as a centrist, that Obastard is in fact a radical?

Silly me.

349 Orwell @336 - are you f'ing serious? On hold right now -can't watch the video or clickon the link.-please tell me you are kidding.

350 All you will need is one on the jury to avoid the death penalty and have the mastermind of the mass murder of thousands in an American prison for the rest of his life.  Life in prison for mass murder in a time of war-great result. 

351

All you crazy , jump to conclusion folks are hurting the conservative movement.

Speaking of movements, sorry..I'll be right back.

352 Doesn't matter when they announce the date, the trial will last a year or more.  This is going to be the Jihadi superbowl.  Expect many attacks.

353 Bad Good Idea: Five Gitmo Combatant-Detainees to be Tried Fried in New York

There. Fixed it for ya.

354

352

Oh goodness gracious dude, get a grip. You're acting like chicken little.

355 If you must go to a mall do it at 9 or 10am when they open get it and get out before the crowds arrive. grunt logics!

356 nevergiveup, organic tofu on a stick -- its the media remember

357 How is it we can not prosecute Somali pirates because of jurisdictional issues but we can prosecute terrorists who were not mirandised, legally extradited, and who were searched without warrants.

We aren't doing anything with the Somali pirates because of the stupid "Chicken of the Sea" treaty that we have not ratified but the admin is following anyway.

358

No worries in New York, they have gun laws. Lots and lots of gun laws. They made crime illegal, so it follows that they have no crime. Right?

/brain dead moonbat and slurper of Zero schlong.

359 Theft from newsbusters, so forgive me...

Obama Declines To Defend U.S. Bombing Of Hiroshima, Nagasaki
By Mark Finkelstein (Bio | Archive)
November 13, 2009 - 08:03 ET
Defending the decision of the United States to drop nuclear weapons on Hiroshima and Nagasaki during WWII is not a comfortable thing to do when you're in Japan. But if you're President of the United States, you must do it. Diplomatically, yes. With sympathy for the civilian victims, yes. But you must do it.

But when it came time today for Barack Obama to fulfill that fundamental duty, he failed. The very first reporter [from Fuji TV] called on at the joint press conference with PBO and Japanese PM Hatoyama in Tokyo today put the question to Pres. Obama in blunt and explicit terms:

JAPANESE REPORTER: What is your understanding of the historical meaning of the A-bombing in Hiroshima and Nagasaki? Do you think it was the right decision?
Obama took a deep breath, paused . . . and punted.

PBO gave a halting response that utterly failed to answer the question. The closest he came was to observe that Japan "has a unique perspective on the issue of nuclear weapons as a consequence of Hiroshima and Nagasaki, and I'm sure it helps to motivate the Prime Minister's deep interest in this issue."

The reporter tried again: "do you believe the US dropping of nuclear weapons on --"

Obama cut him off, choosing to answer an unrelated question on the situation in North Korea.

Will the MSM report Obama's duck and cover?

360 Of course Palin is trying to play CYA now after her allegations were blown apart by the McCain campaign.

361 This is two scoops of fail.

362 Sidebar: that number, 183, has become the received wisdom on KSM's waterboarding. It is not actually the number of times he was waterboarded and it's a shame that the NY Post is repeating it.

The Post has it in the article for the same reason that Fox has it in their article. It is propaganda bullshit from the AP and the editors at those news organizations did not take it out.

It will be a good day when AP finally goes bankrupt.

363 This is just Barry's way of performing fellatio upon millions of Bush and US hating-leftards, with a single act. Sort of like that feeding thousands with seven fishes and a loaf of bread. He is the messiah, after all.

364 is this going to be the overnight thread?

365 Ok I get it, we are preparing for the road warrior age gee, I should have seen that coming, make sure you have plenty of ammo folks, you'll need it.

366 WHY WERE WE LIED TO AGAIN?

I hope someone will be held to account and explain why KSM wasn't waterboarded 183 times.

367 Headline: 9-11 terrorists to be released on the streets of NYC. A liberal America hating president, USAG, and  judge will assure that happens. #21, the plane carrying the terrorists and hopefully the one which would do the world more good, AF1.

368 With all the defense motions and pre-trial hearings this will be dragged out for another 5-10 years.

369 I miss W.

370

The mental giant can't even make a decision about defending a decision made by another Democratic president sixty four years ago,unbelievable.

371
The asshole 911 truthers are going to go apeshit.

372

Posted by: Monty at November 13, 2009 11:50 AM (4Pleu)

 

You own me a new monitor DICKHEAD!

373 #369,

Me too, hopefully when The Republic of Texas secedes he will be Prez of free America!

374 Obama is such a bold thinker. No idea is too stupid  novel for his consideration.

375 Double Jeopardy. Many of Barry's bros already pleaded guilty in military tribunals.

376 Once KSM sets foot here, he is legally a US Person and will never leave our soil.

Within the borders of the US, he has new constitutional rights.

His rendition, he can now call a "kidnapping" upon which he was never read his rights.

His civilian-court trial will now be a referendum on waterboarding and whether officers of the peace have the right to do it.

KSM will request and receive CIA documents that have heretofore never seen the light of day.  He can now twist any tale of how he was treated while detained.

He was originally denied a lawyer.  Let's see how a New York judge likes that.

I'd say Khalid Sheikh Mohammed has an excellent defense.

WHEN HE WALKS FREE ON OUR SOIL -- THEN WHAT, ERIC HOLDER????

377 Maybe the judge will give KSM and his asshole buddies bail. He could go clubbing or something. Mebbe see a Broadway show. That would be sweet. Then the New Yorkers who sat around him could talk about how nice he was.

378 I wish W had resigned a few months early and let Cheney finish what needed to be finished. They should have hanged every terrorist at Gitmo on the morning of inauguration day, and left Obama to deal with their still warm bodies in bright orange bags.

379

"Obama Refuses to Say Bombing Hiroshima Was the 'Right Decision'...."

The Catholic Church teaches this in its "social doctrine". When I teach catholic catechism classes, I use it as THE example of the type of social doctrine vs dogma that one does NOT have to believe. Anyone who thinks we did not have to bomb Japan is insane. My dad was set to be part of the invasion. He had 4 children, 9 grandchildren, and 5 great-grand children to date. Expand that across the spectrum. But I guess Obama sees it as another opportunity to apologize for the US. Asswipe.

What about Nagasaki? They still hadn't surrendered.

380

Ok I get it, we are preparing for the road warrior age gee, I should have seen that coming, make sure you have plenty of ammo folks, you'll need it.     Posted by: 'Nam Grunt at November 13, 2009 12:43 PM (+Sr5r)

 

Don't forget the Fo-gas my Brother. Can't have any fun without some fo-gas.

381 What a depressing bit of news to start the day with.

Obama is an America hater.  Flat out.

382 Maybe the judge will give KSM and his asshole buddies bail. He could go clubbing or something. Mebbe see a Broadway show. That would be sweet. Then the New Yorkers who sat around him could talk about how nice he was.
Posted by: maddogg at November 13, 2009 12:48 PM (OlN4e)

Yeah but if they hide a unregistered gun on their sweat pants and it goes off wounding themselves, they'll be up shit creek with out a paddle?

383 It is going to be the CIA who is on trial here, not the terrorists.

Can we get a new president that at least likes America a little bit.

384 I'dda bombed hiroshima and twice on sundays

385 WHEN HE WALKS FREE ON OUR SOIL -- THEN WHAT, ERIC HOLDER????

Champagne and wagyu party at the White House!

386 Shut this farce down. Barricade the courthouse with interlinked bodies and shut down the streets of New York. This is one of the most insidious decisions ever made by a president. The purpose is to put pre-Obama America on trial, not try KSM.

387 It is going to be very very hard for me to manufacture any outrage the next time NYC gets attacked.

388 378 I wish W had resigned a few months early and let Cheney finish what needed to be finished. They should have hanged every terrorist at Gitmo on the morning of inauguration day, and left Obama to deal with their still warm bodies in bright orange bags.

Excellent idea.

389 Is Eric Holder stupid, or just one of the enemy?

390 WHEN HE WALKS FREE ON OUR SOIL -- THEN WHAT

Some crazy will take care of him... this is NOT a good road to travel down.

391 I hope they hit Hollywood next. Crappy $9.00 movies.

392

Yeah but if they hide a unregistered gun on their sweat pants and it goes off wounding themselves, they'll be up shit creek with out a paddle?

In New York yeah, but if instead, he kills a couple of dozen New Yorkers, the NYT will have a dozen excuses lined up for him by the morning edition. If he claims BDS he would walk. They will understand that.

393 Who in their right mind is gonna believe Katie Couric had low self esteem and the only solution was an interview with Palin? Oh My...the tall tales are getting taller. With her book Palin is self destructing.

394 Is Eric Holder stupid, or just one of the enemy?

Posted by: kansas at November 13, 2009 12:53 PM (mka2b)

Yes.

395

Why I can't be in charge of justice for these murderers:

I would put them and a bunch of horrible serial killers in Alcatraz, have hidden cameras everywhere, and tell the serial killers that these terrorists are free kills--they can do anything they want to these fiends.  And I would have it televised on pay-per-view and put the fees toward paying off the debt..

 

396 Or Pre Traumatic Stress Disorder.

397

I can't beleive they would proceed uless they were sure of convictions.  I am cynical enough to think that Obama would do this to expose the Bush era interrogation tactics,  but I think he realizes that would be political suicide. 

The left is dissapointed that he has not stepped up on the gay agenda and ending the wars.  I don't think he would "throw them a bone" on this one.  He knows a failed criminal conviction would be devastating, right?  

398 394 Is Eric Holder stupid, or just one of the enemy?

Posted by: kansas at November 13, 2009 12:53 PM (mka2b)

Yes.

Posted by: Rodent Liberation Front at November 13, 2009 12:55 PM (dQdrY)

Damn, beat me to it!

399 Obama has outsmarted you racist hicks.  You will get all riled up now and he will have to send some of you to camps.

400 I hear KSM is pleading PTSD.

401 Get real boy.

402 389 Is Eric Holder stupid, or just one of the enemy?

He is clearly one or the other and possibly both.  Put me down as first to DEMAND THAT THIS IDIOT BE REMOVED FROM HIS POST.

All of the CIA's techniques are going to exposed to the entire world.  We share information with other countries so our allies are at great risk too.  I believe CIA agents and British agents identities could be exposed as well.

403

The purpose is to put pre-Obama America on trial, not try KSM.

Fine; guilty.

(Do the last ten months count as "time served"?)

404

399 Obama has outsmarted you racist hicks.  You will get all riled up now and he will have to send some of you to camps.

Excellent! Camp! I just love shooting. And I;m fairly competent at it.

405 Do they get to stay on Rikers Island?

406 Excellent! Camp! I just love shooting. And I;m fairly competent at it.

Posted by: maddogg at November 13, 2009 12:59 PM (OlN4e)

I think he meant your gonna be the target?

407

maddog

 I myself can't wait for the canoeing

408  I myself can't wait for the canoeing

Posted by: bulwark at November 13, 2009 01:02 PM (jvrmc)

And some s'mores

409 I hope they have Smores.

410

 Put me down as first to DEMAND THAT THIS IDIOT BE REMOVED FROM HIS POST.

The Black Panther pardoner did swear an oath to uphold the Constitution and the laws of this country.  He did not swear an oath to O'Bama.

But.  What do you expect from him?  Integrity?  He's a lackluster piece of shit in a pile of very shiny turds.

411 Idiots are the most effective weapon in the terrorists arsenal.

412 That building might be OK when the threat is old, Jewish matrons who lost their savings, the threat to KSM is the NYPD, NYFD, and every armed patriot in 500mi radius. Everyone working in that facility is a resident of the NYC area, they might not personally beat him to death with a chair - but if a retired cop who lost a son or daughter on 9/11 asks them leave a door unlocked?

Can we stop with the fiction that NYC is a place where high profile criminals should fear the threat of frontier justice?  Two years into this trial, Obama will still have an approval rating of 90%+ in Manhattan.  Mayor Bloomberg will ensure that the nutritional content disclosure that accompany KSM's meals are printed in both Urdu and pictograms.  The gaping hole that used to be the WTC will still be a gaping hole.  Weiner, Rangel, Schumer, Clinton and Butterball Nadler will still be insidious worms that enjoy the overwhelming support of their electorate.

Outside of Paris or Jalalabad, there is probably no place on earth that KSM would rather go to trial.  And I was just kidding about Paris.

413 I hope they hit Hollywood next.

CA seems to have gotten a free pass here terrorism wise.  That's not fair or just. 

414 I see at iCasualties.org that troop casualties are four times higher in Afghanistan during Barry's time in office, compared to Bush. No wonder Barry and Holder are so proud of themselves. Plans proceeding apace.

415 I was just hoping they would respect the Constitution and at least do the minimum to further this country's interests.

416 I have fun activities planned for all of you.  Butt first, you all need showers.  Now follow me.

417

Is Eric Holder stupid, or just one of the enemy?

I can walk and chew gum at the same time.

418  

419 More people died during the firebombings of Tokyo than in the Hiroshima or Nagasaki bombings. Yet no one ever suggested that the Tokyo firebombings were militarily unnecessary: it severely harmed their war output due to the destruction dispersed factories. Small machine-tooling and detail-work factories had been spread out all over Tokyo's heavily-populated neighborhoods specifically to keep the American bombers from targeting them. Precision bombing was not even an option then; only incendiary bombing had any chance of reducing Japan's industrial output.

Hiroshima, many forget, is where the torpedos were designed and tested that were later used against Pearl Harbor. It was also the site of a large POW camp where many allied soldiers perished along with the Japanese when the bomb was dropped. Nagasaki was a critically important sea-port out of which many of Japan's expeditionary forces were supplied. Taking out this port was critical in reducing Japan's ability to provision her forces outside of the Japanese home islands.

There has never been a serious question that the bombings were justified from a military standpoint. The debate over the last decades has mainly been historical revisionism, and is not shared by the bulk of serious military historians who write about the subject. (Richard Rhodes' The Making of the Atomic Bomb is pretty much the last word about the actual strikes and after-effects of the bombings; anyone who's interested should read the book. Rhodes thinks that it was specifically the atomic strikes that convinced the Japanese to surrender, a point on which most historians seem to agree.)

420 413 I hope they hit Hollywood next.

CA seems to have gotten a free pass here terrorism wise.  That's not fair or just.

You ever heard the expression "don't shit where you eat"?

421

They are going to go for the Death in the trial.  AP is reporting.

422 Obama has outsmarted you racist hicks.  You will get all riled up now and he will have to send some of you to camps.

Posted by: wHodat at November 13, 2009 12:56 PM (+sBB4)

Come and get us.

It won't be long before going to work and paying taxes makes one complicit in turning their children into debt slaves and proles. When that idea flashes through most regular folks brains, all bets are off. We are not european serfs.

423 on the bright side, there is plenty of time for Dear Reader to change his mind 5 or 6 times.

424

I can walk, play with myself and chew gum at the same time.   Posted by: Eric Holder at November 13, 2009 01:06 PM (gQ+XA)

 

FTFY

425 Hopefully we will find out during the trial very critical information such as whose tunes were used to songboard these tangos! Look for Holder to request a change of venue to Dearborn MI.

426

Can America survive 3 more years?

427

More people died during the firebombings of Tokyo than in the Hiroshima or Nagasaki bombings. Yet no one ever suggested that the Tokyo firebombings were militarily unnecessary: it severely harmed their war output due to the destruction dispersed factories.

Not fair to start out with a blisteringly awesome argument.

428 They'll get a conviction, of some sort, after a circus trial of two or three years... depends on election cycles. The real point here is to feed red meat to leftard 'Merica-haters, and permanently disable our ability to operate effective with the military outside our borders, in asymmetric warfare. And as a bonus, retread the effects of the Church Commission.

429 We have Matt Drudge tied up.  Capitalist pig.

430 Great, now millions of taxpayer dollars will be spent on appeals for these assholes.

431 A smart lawyer could milk a decade of billing out of this brilliant decision in the service of justice.

432 Great, now millions of taxpayer dollars will be spent on appeals for these assholes.

These assholes aren't appealing, trust me

*rim shot*

433 Lou Dobbs gave up $9 million in order to keep talking about Obama's natural born status.

434 You guys are just scared their mistreatment by the bush regime will come to light.

435 More people died during the firebombings of Tokyo than in the Hiroshima or Nagasaki bombings. Yet no one ever suggested that the Tokyo firebombings were militarily unnecessary: it severely harmed their war output due to the destruction dispersed factories.

I've had college professors suggest that we should have detonated the bomb off the coast of Japan to show them that we had the worlds most awesome weapon and then the Japanese would have surrendered without this great loss of life.  The problem with that theory is that we destroyed Hiroshima and the mother fuckers still didn't surrender.  We had to prove to them that we had the capability to destroy multiple cities and also that we were willing to do so.  It is not like we blew up Hiroshima and Nagasaki on the same day, they were a week apart.

436

Can America survive 3 more years?

Yes, though it's going to suck mightily.  Let's not press our luck with 7, though.

437 #139  Monty,  as one who has 3 grandchildren I am doing everything in my limited power to prevent that type of future.

As I have said before,  the future you describe is EXACTLY what Obama is shooting for.  Eric Holder can mouth his platitudes about law,  but the fact of the matter is that Obama wants this as an avenue to attack Bush and Cheney.  Every day the New York Times will publish "new revelations" about how barbaric the Gitmo prisoners were treated.  Those terrorists can make up any horrible story they can conjure out of their evil minds,  spew it in court,  and the Times will print it as truth.

In addition,  it allows all of our intelligence agencies to be compromised by the revelation of capture and interrogation techniques.  The Times will print all of that,  too.

The destruction of the country is underway, and Obama is quite satisfied.

Never mind that we can't deal with an evil enemy like al Qaeda;  we can't deal with an evil enemy within our own borders and living in the White House.

438 #435
Yah, I heard that tripe too... back in 1977. Around the time History class became Social Studies. Hmm...

439 Another relatively known factoid about the Nagasaki bombing: Kokura was the original target, but it was obscured by cloud-cover, and the bombardiers were ordered to get a visual sighting before dropping their weapon. Nagasaki met its doom because it was cloudy that day in Kokura.

Also, only the Nagasaki bomb was a plutonium implosion device ("Fat Man"). The Hiroshima bomb was a less sophisticated "uranium gun" device ("Little Boy"). "Fat Man" yielded around 20kT, far greater than the 10-12kT of "Little Boy", but killed fewer people due to the hills and valleys surrounding Nagasaki that contained the explosion. "Little Boy" was originally to have been named "Thin Man", but it was thought that too many people would think the bombs were named after Allied leaders: "Fat Man" as Winston Churchill, "Thin Man" as FDR. Even then, it was consididered a bit too over-the-top, so "Thin Man" was renamed to "Little Boy".

Also: General Leslie Groves, who oversaw the development of the bombs in The Manhattan Project? His previous job was building...the Pentagon.

440 Whenever my LRRP Team stumbled on a thatch hut village in the bush controlled by insurgents trying to change the hearts and minds by murder, we fired their sorry asses up, no gitmo, no trials in NY just dead enemy and war trophy weapons they used to carry, why can't we get back to that frame of mind, sure would save lots of $billions!!!

441   434 You guys are just scared their mistreatment by the bush regime will come to light.

Posted by: Mr. Proggressive at November 13, 2009 01:17 PM (SqAkN)

 

Actually, there isn't such a thing as "mistreatment" for a terrorist. No. Such. Thing. You can't mistreat something like a terrorist, it's like mistreating a sack of shit with a axe. All you can do is stir up the chunks and make it leak here and there.

442 412 Can we stop with the fiction that NYC is a place where high profile criminals should fear the threat of frontier justice? Posted by: Ted Kennedy's Gristle Encased Head at November 13, 2009 01:03 PM (+lsX1) --- It only takes one and there are lots of hotels for visitors. Just need a local to open a door or slip a schedule to a guy at a bar. Doing it in NYC is a logistic and security nightmare; Obama is doing just for the press. It would be cheaper to fly jurors to Gitmo for the duration of the trial; and safer, and deny KSM the opportunity to play all kinds of legal shenanigans. It is all about the show.

443 Don't forget that Holder was with one of the white shoe firms that beat a path to Gitmo to defend terrorists.  It's easier to get those ME retainers when you are helping terrorists.  In addition, don't forget all the Republican beltway types who insisted that Holder was just the man to clean up the "politicization" of the DOJ.   How's that working out?  My two favorites were Joeseph DiGenova and Victoria Toensing.   

444

Actually, there isn't such a thing as "mistreatment" for a terrorist. No. Such. Thing. You can't mistreat something like a terrorist, it's like mistreating a sack of shit with a axe. All you can do is stir up the chunks and make it leak here and there.

You do what you have to do to expose the corn.

445 I've had college professors suggest that we should have detonated the bomb off the coast of Japan to show them that we had the worlds most awesome weapon and then the Japanese would have surrendered without this great loss of life.

Which is just stupid, considering the bloodbath the Japanese had just undergone on Okinawa. It was clear to everyone that the Japanese meant to fight to the last man, the last bullet, and the last drop of blood if their Emperor told them to. The Allies had come up with OPERATION DOWNFALL to invade the home Japanese islands, and based on the horrendous casualties incurred on Okinawa most generals anticipated Allied casualties in the hundreds of thousands over a five-year campaign. Some estimated that between two and five million Japanese civilians would also have died in such an invasion.

Even after Hirohito decided to surrender, many Generals hatched a half-baked plot to overthrow him and continue fighting. They failed, and most committed seppuku rather than see Japan surrender. (When I looked into the records of the Japanese surrender, I was astounded at how many senior Japanese officers committed ritual suicide that day. And that was only the officially-recorded cases; there must have been many more.)

446 Man the HuffPo guys dont like Lou Dobbs: http://tinyurl.com/ygewof6

447 Precision bombing was not even an option then; only incendiary bombing had any chance of reducing Japan's industrial output.

As Curtis Lemay pointed out, you firebombed a neighborhood in Japan and there was a drillpress sticking up from every burned out home.

448 You don't have to have fat guys with mustaches, strutting around in costume military uniforms, running around the El Supremo Palacio in order to have a banana republic. We now live in the Chicago version of a banana republic. You punish the previous regime and its followers not with assassination or death squads but with the weight of a propaganda machine and a legal labyrinth designed to threaten, impoverish, and delegitimize them.

449 This is just another way to bail out NYC by odumbass so they can pay their bills, not fooling me they are broke and I say let them fall, it's a shithole anyway and yes I've been there!

450 You do what you have to do to expose the corn.

ROTFLMAO

451 Can you imaging Curtis Lemay on TV talking about Obama?

452

Man the HuffPo guys dont like Lou Dobbs

As Dobbs' stock began to skyrocket.

453 It is all designed to embarrass the Bush administration. They will be blaming Bush for everything that goes wrong for the next 40 years.

454 451 Can you imaging Curtis Lemay on TV talking about Obama?

How about General Anthony McAuliffe.

Obama: General, what do you think about waiting until we get better support from Karsai in Off-gon-eee-ston.

McAuliffe:  NUTS!!!

455

# 18 If my goal was to destroy America, this is where I'd start.

But really, folks. It's our fault. We sit here at work like there's nothing we could do to prevent Obama from taking these sorts of suicidal actions. If he gets away with this, it will be our own fault.

We should be in Washington DC tossing bricks through windows demanding that fucking asshole resign (just like any good community organization would do). Organize sit-ins on Capital Hill, take over Washington. Block traffic. Overturn trash cans. Make the place a fucking nightmare to live in.

You know ... all the shit they would do if the situation were reversed.

Right but not quite on the mark. Nothing, absolutely nothing illegal but many, many legal actions that will drive them crazy and make them either obsolete or push them out. For example, what if a few thousand Americans were present at the WH and the Capitol at all times, around the clock with schedules so that no period was left uncovered and regular visits to Nancy who is terrified of us. We could keep her out of her office. We could do the same to Rangel.

Franken is different though. He's crazy. But he eats at the Capitol Deli - what if the dining area was crowded and he had to sit net to us and we talked loudly about him and each offered him a dish of pudding or a piece of carrot cake (the sandwiched are good, the desserts are bad.

Essentially, what if we made it our business to behave ike rotten little brothers and sisters to our reps. What if we begin engaging in absolutely legal forms of civil disobedience. There are so many possibiities. We could have great fun and drive them out. 

456 Franken is different though. He's crazy.

I am so sorry that Minnesota foisted Senator Slappy the Rodeo Clown onto the American public. This guy is such a douchebag that other douchebags look at him and think: "Holy Christ is this guy a douchebag!" He's the male version of Jeanene Garofalo. A miserable, bitter, mentally-arthritic bolus of pure stupidity.

457

FDR solved the German saboteurs in less than two weeks. 

I blame Bush for not following the same course.  KSM should have been dead before his clothes dried from the waterboarding, once we were certain we had everything we were going to get.  Let the courts pound sand.

I'm not one to give Obama excuses, but this fiasco didn't start with him.  The correct answer was to tell the Supremes to sit down and shut up when they postulated this nonsense.  What were they going to do, send Kennedy to the White House with a .45 to arrest Bush?  The Judiciary and Executive are co-equals. 

458
I've had college professors suggest that we should have detonated the bomb off the coast of Japan to show them that we had the worlds most awesome weapon and then the Japanese would have surrendered without this great loss of life.



By the spring of 1945 B-29s were a common sight in the skies over Japan, the Japanese high command knew it would not be defeated from the skies and they made the decision to put all their remaining resources into preparing  for the coming ground invasion,so although still not safe a B-29 flying overhead didn't exactly provoke an aggressive response.If we had demonstrated the atomic bomb beforehand all that would have changed and made the probability that the B-29 carrying the bomb be shot out of the sky much higher

459 Andy McCarthy has an interesting take on this over at NRO's "the Corner".  In addtion to the obvious fiasco aspect, the trial will become a means to prosecute the Bush Administration for War Crimes as KSM's attorneys go through discovery and interrogate government witnesses.  The goal seems to be to continue to emasculate America in its war against man-caused disasters and pretty much all foreign threats by laying bare all the inner workings of our intelligence agencies, etc (this last is my take, not necessarily his).

460

Well, look, it seems to me the reason this is happening is that Obama needs to shore up his support in the whacko fringe of the party. By giving these scum civilian trials he is giving the Truthers a platform to shout about “what really happened” on September 11th. You watch. it will turn into a Bash Bushfest just in time for the 2010 elections to divert attention away from the shit sandwich the Dems will have made of the Economy.

mark my words, folks.

461

Hey Sofia....if you do decide to bail out of Europe and come here, then come to Texas.  You would go far here; we are not totally overrun by lefty douchebags yet...

 

462 "This will decimate our intelligence services.  This trial is meant to detail every method we use on terrorists."       Rush Limbaugh

463 bulwark:

The battleship Yamato was sacrificed during Operation Ten-Go: it was ordered to beach itself near Okinawa and turn itself into a fixed gun-emplacement; the Japanese had neither the fuel nor the trained sailors to keep her operating as a seagoing warship. To me this speaks volumes of the Japanese mindset at the time -- they were fully committed to the war, even unto death. About 2650 of the 2700 crew compliment were lost, including Ten-Go's fleet Admiral. The Japanese rank-and-file had no intention of surrendering; nor did the citizens. It was the atomic bombings of Hiroshima and Nagasaki that convinced Emperor Hirohito to surrender -- and since he was God on Earth to many Japanese, his Word was law. They surrendered because he said to, not because they wanted to. It is very doubtful that Hirohito would have surrendered in any other scenario, including a full Allied invasion.

464 "This is a backdoor trial of the united states"

465 Prosecuting a war takes on a new, and wholly unintended, meaning!

466 Obama doesn't care about 3000 dead Americans, his hero Mao took out 70 million. And he will get a second term. And congress will still have all their democrat representatives because the zero is going to legalize all the illegals.

467

Monty

Americans don't understand the sense of mystical importance that the Japanese felt about the Yamato,to sacrifice that ship spoke volumes about their willing to fight to the bitter end

468 Americans don't understand the sense of mystical importance that the Japanese felt about the Yamato,to sacrifice that ship spoke volumes about their willing to fight to the bitter end

Most Americans don't know any history worth speaking of, so this doesn't surprise me.

Sample questions: Did the Battle of Stalingrad happen *before* or *after* Pearl Harbor was attacked? In what year did Britain enter World War II? Was Switzerland on the side of the Axis or the Allies? In what year did the Rape of Nanking occur? I'd bet you a lot of money that not one American in a hundred can answer even one of these questions accurately, much less all of them.

469 You know, this wouldn't be happening if George Bush had done his fuckin' job and had these killers executed.

470 I guessed 1936 on Nanking, so you would have won.

471 Nan King?  Never heard of her.

472

You humans are idiots.  Do you really think this is about "justice"?

 

Do you really think this is about "healing"?

 

This is about my firm representing a shitload of terrorists in Gitmo and making my fellow travelers filthy rich at taxpayer expense, while exposing our intellegence techniques to fight terrorism.

My buddies are going to get so much camera time and smear Bush so bad, you never have anything but a Dem in the Top Slot again.

 

Fact of the matter is our Glorious Leader is going to be around for a few more terms and these brave freedom fighters are going to expose America for the diversity oppression and intolerant attitudes I have run on my whole life.

473 I guessed 1936 on Nanking, so you would have won.

I'm sure that the Morons on this blog would score far higher than the population at large. A pack of loud, mouthy vulgarians we may be; but smart loud mouthy vulgarians.

474 Monty, I truly hope you make it to this Moron-a-palooza that Ace wants to throw. I want to sit down with you over a beer and talk military history.

475 And I'll buy both of ya's rounds 1-5 if I can just sit there and listen.

476 SGT Dan:

I'm planning on it, if time and finances permit. There are many morons and moronettes whom I'd love to talk tactics and logistics with into the deep hours of the morning.

I was heavy into war-gaming back in the 1990's (I lost hundreds of hours to HARPOON, TANK COMMANDER, and other military sims. And this was back in the boring old pen-and-paper days.)

I used to do this all the time when I lived in NC because I had some buds up at Fort Bragg who'd come down to Charlotte every so often -- one of them went on to a teaching job at West Point, and yet another wound up at the DIA in some capacity. I also knew some great Civil War historians down that-a-way (Crawdad, I miss you, man: RIP). We'd hit up a Shoney's or a HoJo's and sit there for eight hours straight, swilling coffee and scribbling tactical maps on paper napkins. The best night I can remember is when the fry cook came out of the back and introduced himself as a member of 1st Marines during the Battle of Hue; that old boy sat with us for most of that night, helping us diagram the battle, street by street. His memory was as sharp as a razor, even thirty years on.

477 That's hideously bad idea as it will probably cause jihadis to circle in on New York again to affect the proceedings Bad, bad, bad, bad, bad, bad, bad.

478 Sample questions: Did the Battle of Stalingrad happen *before* or *after* Pearl Harbor was attacked? In what year did Britain enter World War II? Was Switzerland on the side of the Axis or the Allies? In what year did the Rape of Nanking occur? I'd bet you a lot of money that not one American in a hundred can answer even one of these questions accurately, much less all of them.

Posted by: Monty at November 13, 2009 02:18 PM (4Pleu)

Stakingrad happened after Pearl (Aug 1942 v Dec 1941)

Britian entered the war in 1939.

Switzerland was neutral

Nanking was 1937 (although I saw others indirectly answer this so this one doesn't count....

479

LGoPs

although with Stalingrad you could answer 1943 and still be technically partially  correct

480 although with Stalingrad you could answer 1943 and still be technically partially  correct

Posted by: bulwark at November 13, 2009 04:01 PM (jvrmc)

Agreed. I only listed the start date but the end was IIRC 1 Feb 43 when the last pocket of resistance surrendered. I beleive von Paulus surrendered somewhere at end of January.

481 The attacks on 9-11 were an act of war.  The dems want, like Slick Willie, to make it all into a criminal case.  The Jihadis, being the clever chaps they are at times, will use the cumbersome legal system of ours against us.  Hell, we just gave them the tools.  The costs to this country for these trials from hell will be horrendous.  AND, our legal system will be tied up in knots.

Yes, the dems and Obama are determined to remake this country in their own vision, but first they have to break down the existing institutions---legal, cultural, currency, economy, defense. 

482 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BXnA9FjvLSU&feature=related

The Fallen Man....9/11

(a must see)

483 One Muslim on that jury and it's a hung jury.

484

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