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3D Rendering of US Airways Flight 1549 Ditching in the Hudson

Is this old? New to me. Pretty amazing to watch, you can also hear the ATC communications and see the conversations in the cockpit between Capt. Sullenberger and First Officer Skiles in the lower right panels. Video starts with the take-off roll from La Guardia, audio starts at 1:19.

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1 Arrggg

They interupted Beck to show yet another worthless Obama speach.

That is worse than NBC and the Heidie bowl.

Posted by: Vic at November 12, 2009 05:47 PM (CDUiN)

2

Not old to me, but then that amazing feat will never get old.

Posted by: LR at November 12, 2009 05:47 PM (wM0sa)

3 Is this old?

Only 9 months or so.

It's hardly had time to age.

Posted by: DrewM. at November 12, 2009 05:48 PM (FCWQb)

4 LOL. The tower guy was completely oblivious, all the way till the end.

Posted by: lorien1973 at November 12, 2009 05:49 PM (IhQuA)

5 Actually, this is different than what I thought so it might not be old at all.

Posted by: DrewM. at November 12, 2009 05:50 PM (FCWQb)

6 4 LOL. The tower guy was completely oblivious, all the way till the end.

Posted by: lorien1973 at November 12, 2009 05:49 PM (IhQuA)

Funny, seemed to me like the tower guy fully understood what was happening, but just didn't have anything to offer Capt. Sullenberger to improve the situation.  Meanwhile, the tower guy had other aircraft to keep aloft.

Posted by: stuiec at November 12, 2009 05:52 PM (rBLs5)

7 I'll be flying in a couple of weeks.  I don't need to be watching this. But...I....can't....help.....myself....not.....to....

Posted by: Iamnotanalcoholic at November 12, 2009 05:53 PM (GKrsS)

8 Interesting. Even knowing it turned out well I was still on the edge of my seat.

Posted by: The Chap in the Deerstalker Cap at November 12, 2009 05:56 PM (j02xJ)

9 The tower guy was completely oblivious, all the way till the end.

He's sitting a dark concrete building in Westbury watching his screen.

In actuality he did everything he could (which isn't much).  It's actually a fantastic bit of ATC work.

Posted by: DrewM. at November 12, 2009 05:58 PM (FCWQb)

10 I admire the ATC guy, he was handling other traffic and handled the emergency. Balls of steel.

Posted by: kansas at November 12, 2009 06:00 PM (ynT/h)

11 OLD!

Posted by: the guy that sees everything on the internet before you do at November 12, 2009 06:02 PM (n1uMU)

12 I am not getting on a plane unless Sully is driving.

Posted by: the real joe at November 12, 2009 06:02 PM (rFTt2)

13 Those of you who have Microsoft Flight Simulator X, can recreate this flight in a free downloadable mission add-on. It's available here.

http://tinyurl.com/yzjd3ka

This free mission features the actual tower communications between Captain Sully and the La Guardia Tower as they discussed possible landing options.

It is possible to return the aircraft to La Guardia and land successfully. Difficult ... but possible.

Posted by: someguy at November 12, 2009 06:02 PM (VRJIW)

14 a buddy of mine was on that plane, he needs someone to make a video of the inside of the plane so he doesn't have to tell the story anymore.

Posted by: evil libertarian at November 12, 2009 06:03 PM (7y71/)

15 I hadn't seen the transcript of the CVR before this.

I like the part where Sully asks Skiles, "got any ideas?" just before they splashed down.

Posted by: DrewM. at November 12, 2009 06:03 PM (FCWQb)

16 Brings tears to your eyes.

Posted by: ahem at November 12, 2009 06:11 PM (6bJNc)

17 You can actually hear Sully's man-balls clanging together.

Posted by: nickless at November 12, 2009 06:16 PM (MMC8r)

18 I've landed (as a passenger) in many military and civilian aircraft over the years and most landings are not as perfect as this one had to be. He did this under a great amount of stress and landed perfectly in the water. Anything less and the jet would have cartwheeled. Nerves of steel!!

Posted by: Bill R. at November 12, 2009 06:18 PM (EhlQq)

19 Okay I don't mean to go OT and all but http://bit.ly/1ZJn61 wtf??  Palin had to pay for her own vetting just because McCain lost?  And they wouldn't help her financially? 

And she says that most of her legal bills were generated defending what she called frivolous ethics complaints, but she reveals that about $500,000 was a bill she received to pay for the McCain campaign vetting her for the VP nod.

She said when she asked the McCain campaign if it would help her financially, she was told McCain's camp would have paid all the bills if he'd won; since he lost, the vetting legal bills were her responsibility.

Posted by: tdpwells at November 12, 2009 06:19 PM (Ei3oZ)

20

I cam away from this with one thing.

Who the heck is Skiles?

I know now because of the video.

But I never heard Sully refer to him in any of the interviews.

Since it was obviously a team effort it would have been nice if Sully had thrown Skiles a bone or two.

Good job Skiles.

 

 

 

 

 

Posted by: Thune at November 12, 2009 06:19 PM (iggjG)

21 9 The tower guy was completely oblivious, all the way till the end.

Don't ya just love how some clueless morons are so brilliant with 20-20 hindsight?  When I see the real story, as shown in this recreation, I'm *so relieved* that guys like #9 have no responsibility for my safety! Give this child a Play Station and put him in the corner where he's out of the way.

How do they manage to stay so calm? I'd be running around like my hair was on fire. Simply amazing Mr. Sullenberger and Mr. Skiles! I would gladly pay a much higher fare knowing you two were at the controls of my flight. Ditto for the controller.

Posted by: Doug at November 12, 2009 06:22 PM (gqxJN)

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"a buddy of mine was on that plane, he needs someone to make a video of the inside of the plane so he doesn't have to tell the story anymore."

"...and so the stewardess says, 'Remember to take your seat cushions with you!  They can be used as flotation devices!', and I look at her and I'm all like, 'Lady, if you only knew what this poor cushion's been through in the past three minutes...'"

Posted by: reason at November 12, 2009 06:23 PM (V40IZ)

23 19 Okay I don't mean to go OT and all but http://bit.ly/1ZJn61 wtf??  Palin had to pay for her own vetting just because McCain lost?  And they wouldn't help her financially? 

It's just another piece of evidence as to why conservative repubs. are telling the RNC to go fuck themselves.

Posted by: Bill Clinton at November 12, 2009 06:28 PM (GKrsS)

24
I am not getting on a plane unless Sully is driving.

Posted by: the real joe at November 12, 2009 06:02 PM (rFTt2)





Or this guy.

Posted by: Blazer at November 12, 2009 06:29 PM (+FzLa)

25 Sully must've had some thrust. It's not like a commercial airlines has much of a glide ratio and it doesn't look like they were too close to stalling. What a couple of professionals.

Posted by: Tommy Gunn at November 12, 2009 06:30 PM (rQTdM)

26 Never too old for this story. I am amazed anyone survived. Could have been a lot worse.

Posted by: rawmuse at November 12, 2009 06:32 PM (T3ELv)

27 It's not like a commercial airlines has much of a glide ratio and it doesn't look like they were too close to stalling.

A commercial jetliner may not have the glide ratio of a glider but it does significantly better than most smaller aircraft due to the higher wing loading.  The downside is that it's achieved at a higher airspeed, which leads to an ouch factor when you finally contact terra firma...

Posted by: Ace's #1 Fan at November 12, 2009 06:40 PM (PMGbu)

28

24

 

Good story.

Posted by: Iamnotanalcoholic at November 12, 2009 06:44 PM (GKrsS)

29 I got a little lump in my throat.

Something in my eye too.  Damn air filters.

wow.

Posted by: moron # 34564124 at November 12, 2009 06:47 PM (p1s9n)

30 Kool.

Posted by: Dr. Spank at November 12, 2009 06:51 PM (GGgoa)

31 The page where I found that video has lots more with graphs and stuff -- not even by Geoff.

Posted by: mesablue at November 12, 2009 06:52 PM (U5a3G)

32 What about the birds?

Posted by: howcome at November 12, 2009 06:53 PM (A1x9z)

33 In fact, this video has more of the folks on the ground and you can tell how much the controllers were working before they hit the water.

Posted by: mesablue at November 12, 2009 06:55 PM (U5a3G)

34 Sully Rules

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36 Sully must've had some thrust. It's not like a commercial airlines has much of a glide ratio and it doesn't look like they were too close to stalling. What a couple of professionals.

Posted by: Tommy Gunn

no they were dead in the air, my friend chris said it was the most eerie thing no one was screaming, no engine noise, no vibration just some quiet prayers. he said that until the engine hit the water it was a very smooth landing...once the jets hit it was like a minor head on collision.  

Posted by: evil libertarian at November 12, 2009 09:07 PM (7y71/)

37

Here's a quick video of what might have happened:

http://tinyurl.com/ku6c5p

Those little specks flying out? People.

Also go lookup the "Gimli Glider" for more 100% balls-of-steel pilot skills.

Posted by: 5Cats at November 12, 2009 09:36 PM (O5yP8)

38 Nice representation of how he bled off excess energy (speed) before landing, and how he flared the tail down first, so the engines didn't hit and flip them over.  A splendid example of Rule #1 - always fly the plane.

Posted by: emf at November 12, 2009 09:38 PM (6W7rn)

39

#24 - Blazer

Oh, thanks Blazer, it's a truely amazing (and true!) story. If it was made up? No one would ever buy it. You know?

Posted by: 5Cats at November 12, 2009 09:39 PM (O5yP8)

40 I'm gonna dispense with the moron thingi for a moment and speak here as the 22-year major airline pilot that I am in my real life.

But before I do, I want to say that nothing here should be taken as a criticism of Sully or his crew. They did everything they were expected to do.

Here goes.....

A pet peeve of mine regarding the reporting of this story is the word "landing". Sully did not "land" his plane on the water. A landing is when the pilot takes the airplane from flying through the air to some point on the surface of the earth (dirt, water, or snow), and then is able to use the airplane again. If you say they "ditched" the airplane in the Hudson, or that they "crashed in the river and everybody made it out OK", then I'd have no quibble here. But "landing" is not the right word.

Also, Sully and his crew have been described as "heroes", and I have to respectfully disagree. A fireman who rushes into a burning building when he could just as easily say that the building is engulfed and he's better off standing outside spraying water on it is a hero. The soldier who leaves the cover of a foxhole to grab a wounded comrade is acting as a hero. My point here is that Sully had no choice in what he did. Yes--everything he did was technically proficient--but he really had no choice here. With the benefit of infinitessimly (sp?) clear 20/20 hindsight, he might have been able to make it back to LGA, but there are about a thousand things he didn't know then which would have prevented any pilot from taking that choice. At some point, when it became clear that his engine(s) weren't going to relight, the law of gravity mandated that the Hudson was his only option. Highways are full of lightpoles and powerlines, and except for the open expanses out West, are not suitable (crash) landing sites. [Some may not know that many countries build sections of their freeways as alternate runways and their militaries will practice setting up wartime operations on these freeways. We don't do this in this country.] Of course, the building density in this part of NY/NJ means that there is almost no clear land on which to "dead-stick" a plane. The Hudson was it....Sully's decision was made for him by fate.

The other thing accepted by most airline captains is that if I ever have to evacuate an airplane, I expect to put 5-10% of my passengers in the hospital just from the evacuation. Assuming we go down the slides, most of the injuries will be twisted ankles or something minor, but I don't ever assume that we'll all just walk away from this...An evacuation itself is not a casual thing, and the need to do it has to be balanced against the emergency that precipitates it. Had fate not allowed Sully to put that airplane in the river where he did, with the ferries and boats nearby, many folks would have ended up in the river. Look back at those photos again and see how many people were standing on that wing without any flotation devices whatsoever. Those people are only alive, IMO, because fate/luck/kismet/whatever had Sully put that airplane in the river at that location. Another mile or two either upstream or downstream (which he had no control over), or at night, or with rougher water, and the story may have turned out very differently. Luck was very much in play that day.

Again, I don't want to disrespect Sully and his crew. As the video shows, there was a lot going on in a very short period, and what they did was technically very proficient. That they were very proficient is not to deny that they were also very, very lucky.

Posted by: azlibertarian at November 12, 2009 11:02 PM (fGtbP)

41

I have only 2 quibbles with your quibbling azlibertarian.

They call it 'landing' because most folks don't know it is supposed to be called 'ditching' (indeed the correct term). Just like everyone calls a pistol or a rifle a 'gun' it's just the way North Americans speak.  Too late to fix it I'm afraid, just have to grin & bear it. If no one dies, it's a landing.

The reason he's a hero is because he ditched his crippled aircraft without loss of life. He made a series of decisions correctly that saved his passengers and many on the ground (had he flown over populated areas and crashed there). Sure he was trained but he still could have screwed things up with one mis-step.

That makes him a hero. If he'd blown the plane to bits trying to save lives, that's heroic, but not a hero. Yes luck, good or bad, played a part. And probably many pilots would also have succeded in a safe ditching. But it was Scully & his co-pilot who actually faced the ultimate test and passed it, and to them go the heroes' laurels.

Posted by: 5Cats at November 12, 2009 11:58 PM (O5yP8)

42 Nice f'n job all around. They ditched just north of my apartment on the Jersey riverside--ran out and followed it in the current. Ice cold but "extreme clear," water was calm. Got plenty of good shots with a long zoom. Definitely lucky--no less than five ferry routes cross right here. Great seeing my ferry guys in the press conferences.

Posted by: Johnny I at November 13, 2009 12:56 AM (ju8Nh)

43 37: That plane's pilot had an additional problem ... a suicidal loon hijacker in the other seat was trying to force a crash.


Posted by: Kristopher at November 13, 2009 02:27 AM (Jjzb5)

44 No offense taken by this civilian, azlibertarian. Pilots have to play the hand that's dealt 'em.

My neighbor flies the A320 for USAir (doesn't know Sully) and his comments mirrored yours: "you do what you're trained to do. No time to think. It's all instinct." What impresses me most is the degree of non-stop training you folks go through. My neighbor doesn't just fly that A320. He LIVES it. I was astonished to hear him describe the intracacies of all the small subsystems of the bird, such as how the hydraulics can continue to work despite both engines being out. Didn't the APU even refuse to light? Hours spent in a simulator playing "what if I kill THIS thing over here?" pay off if/when the time comes.

And to think that there are some people in this country who don't trust these same pilots to store a handgun in the glove compartment!

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48 "He made a series of decisions correctly that saved his passengers and many on the ground ..."

This somewhat misses the point. Azlibertarian was correct when he said that Sully's only logical choice was to ditch in the Hudson. However, a lessor pilot might have tried to make it back to LGA.

It is very possible such a pilot would have made a landing back at LGA. Commercial jetliners have plenty of glide ratio built into their design. So much so that Sully's plane actually gained altitude near the end of his flight (which you can see in the video if you pay close attention) as he was burning off energy (speed).

He's a hero for not trying to get back to LGA. He made that choice consciously.

Could he have made it? Probably. But he chose to ditch rather than put an unpowered jetliner over a populated area. It's the people on the ground he probably saved when he chose not to fly his crippled jet over them that makes him a hero.

Hero because he had a choice and took the choice most likely to lead to the least loss of life to everyone who wasn't on that plane. Everyone who boarded the plane did so willingly accepted the (admittedly small) risk of crashing, whilst most of the people on the ground have no choice to but to accept the risk of airplanes flying over them.

Sully kept it only about the crew and passengers ... not about anyone else on the ground. If they were going to crash, most likely only they were going to die.

Azlib is also correct that even after successfully ditching, most of those people likely would have drowned had this occurred in Podunk, Ill. rather than on one of the most highly traveled waterways in America. If it were not for all the boats which were on the scene in under 60 seconds, those folks on the wing would have died of exposure/drowning in the water. Almost none of them had flotation devices. (In this respect, the cabin crew probably would have gotten most of the blame.)

Posted by: someguy at November 13, 2009 07:27 AM (VRJIW)

49 A hero is someone we consider a hero.

So while the previous post from the pilot is appreciated, and while luck of course played a part as it always does, this guy is a hero.

I bow before this guy. 


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