1 OT: Delivery estimate: November 19, 2009
1     "Going Rogue: An American Life"
Sarah Palin; Hardcover; $9.00

2 I wonder if Obama e-mails Bill Ayers?

3 Summon the summoner.

4 So did the douche nozzle in Chief say anything dumb yesterday at Fort Hood?

I just can't even listen to him any more.  I will read transcripts, but the sound of his voice, never mind his arrogant presence is enough to make me obliterate whatever device is feeding me the media.

5

I say all the PC libtards have a constitutional right to commit suicide, but they don't have the right to take the rest of us with them.

BTW, this report isn't news to anyone with 2 synapses to rub together.

6 We're in the very best of hands.

7 First amendment, bitches.

8 The claim comes as the squabble grows among officials in different branches of law enforcement and the military over who knew what, and when, about Hasan's leanings toward faith-inspired violence

Even in an article about political correctness they can't help but to be politically correct.


*facepalm*

9 #4, He actually gave a good speech.  But that's the one thing that's not wrong with him.

10 "Rest assured however there are still some restrictions in place. I mean, imagine if Nadal were Smith and he were email buddies with the leader of the Aryan Nation or the KKK. How fast would our mythical Maj. (or Pvt.) Smith last in the Army?"

Suppose a member of the armed forces (God forbid) shoots up a bunch of his fellow service members because he's opposed to the end of Don't Ask, Don't Tell.  Suppose it turns out that the FBI knew prior to the crime that the murderer had been in e-mail contact with Rev. Fred Phelps in Wichita for "spiritual and religious guidance."  How do you suppose the Lamestream Media and the authorities would be portraying the issue?  Do you think anyone would be trying to make excuses for the investigators who let the matter drop?

11 Constitution?  Never heard of it.

12
Two words for ya.  Branch Davidian.

These PC government scum bags are so full of shit.

13 #4 nailed it, that is exactly how I feel.

14
In this man's Army, dissent is still patriotic.

15 And then there's this from the article -

Chicago Mayor Richard Daley pointed to America's "love" affair with guns as the driving factor behind last week's shooting at Fort Hood, becoming the latest and possibly most prominent figure to show a reluctance to cite religion.

Um, Dick? He was in the military, you know, those people whose job depends on them having guns? The hell is wrong with these idiots? Oh, right, they're democrats.

16 They were afraid of being metaphorically crucified and so they allowed others to be literally crucified? I smell the mother of all lawsuits over this.

17 stuiec - I can't imagine any trooper running around promoting Phelps is going to get much traction from his mates, given the guy's track record.

But, stripping out the Phelps issue for a moment, yes, I think it's pretty clear that some speech seems to be more protected than other.

We have some real idiots in positions of power these days, and it seems to afflict the military as well.

18

What the hell?!?!?!

Is Sergeant Bilko running the Army now?

19 #15

This is a knee-jerk reaction after EVERY high-profile shooting incident. . .the usual gun haters/banners come out and blame the guns.

As you say, the problem in this case wasn't too many guns, it was too few.

20 Email?  Never heard of it.

21 the investigator said the messages suggested he was seeking "spiritual and religious guidance."

From a radical Muslim. Osama is an imam isn't he? Does everybody get to have their emails to Bin Laden ignored now if they ask him to pray for them in the postscript? Assholes.

22 So ... spying on, or waging war against, America are now Constitutionally protected rights? Who would have thunk it?

I learn something new every day.

23 Truly, I was a man before his time.

24

I usually don't like to engage in speculation as to what those who are no longer with us would do, but what do you think that the rebel Colonists would have done to Tories who declared their allegiance to the King and their desire to serve him in any way possible?

Sure, you could say that this happened before the Constitution was written, but I don't think that they had this in mind when they thought of freedom of speech.

25 Though officials discovered Hasan's e-mails to the imam, the investigator said the messages suggested he was seeking "spiritual and religious guidance."

Which is why it's so important to get people to understand that islam is not really a religion, but a political ideology.

26 #4, 13.

I always marvelled at the foaming madness that liberals used to exhibit whenever George Bush would speak or appear.

Its tough, but remembering that, I try to somewhat limit the "Obama derangement syndrome" I experience whenever I see or hear the guy.

27

If Nadal lives maybe he can host the beginnings of a Chicago politicians political career in his house? There is no difference between this guy and Bill Ayers, except for competence and the balls to actually do it himself.

28 In this man's Army, dissent is still patriotic.

Posted by: Gen Casey at November 11, 2009 01:52 PM (fTpd3)

For example, an Army officer who dissents from the view that his duty is to defend the United States and its Constitution from all enemies, foreign and domestic, because he believes he has a higher duty to defend Islam and the ummah from America is just expressing his patriotism.  Especially when he drives the point of his dissent home with a pistol among a crowd of his unarmed fellow service members.

29
There's strong and then there's desk jockey  politically correct don't stick your neck out army strong.

30 Is there not one courageous man or woman in the intelligence community who would be willing to sacrifice their freaking job for the lives of their fellow Americans?

If the brass would have crucified you, give the information to Glen Beck instead!

Jeez, people. This is America. Step the hell up!

31
It would have been more accurate for the investigator to have said,"Had we launched an investigation of Hasan we'd have been beheaded."

32 >>30 Is there not one courageous man or woman in the intelligence community who would be willing to sacrifice their freaking job for the lives of their fellow Americans?

Not just their job, but their entire careers AND even potentially their freedom.

Have you forgotten what the Obama administration is trying to do to intelligence officers who used all the tools at their disposal to vigorously obtain anti-terrorist information? 

I don't see why any career intelligence officer would stick their neck out to do the right thing here, when it could mean they could get fired (not exactly a good thing in this economy), or even dragged into court.

33

If he had contacts with anyone on our watch list then the Patriot act and wiretapping act allowed us to investigate him.  What's the sense of passing those laws if you don't plan on using them because you are afraid of Moveon.org?

34 I updated, if you care.

35 looking closely,
Leak it to Fox News!  Where do you think the information is coming from now?

36

"Did you order the diversity 'Code Red'?"

You're goddamn right I did!

37 Of course, this is all from the same people who can say "torture doesn't work" with a straight face, over and over again, along with their zany theories about "winning hearts and minds" of hateful, insane people instead of just inflicting enough pain and killing enough to get them to stop fighting, which has always worked in the past.

38

A Few Good Men?

Never heard of it.

Isn't that what airs on my network at 11 every morning?

39 >>Investigators would have been "crucified" over First Amendment rights if they had launched a full-scale probe into e-mails Fort Hood massacre suspect Army Maj. Nidal Malik Hasan allegedly sent to a radical imam, a government investigator told Fox News.

The first amendment doesn't give you the right to plan murder, nor does it convey privacy rights.  So this statement is out of whack.

Reading his private emails wouldn't even have been necessary given that apparently Hasan was throwing off all sorts of public warning signs as well.

40 Incidentally this discussion of the unwritten rules of the Real is very much in the realm of Solvenian rock-star philosopher Slavoj Zizek. Check out the following for his discussion of A Few Good Men and this function of unwritten/understood Real law:

http://www.lacan.com/zizunder.htm

Incidentally, it's radically enjoyable counter-reading Marxists and understanding their critique applies to the Fascist Left more than it does to the pathetic wishy-washy Right these days. Obama's now the Tyrannical Big Other.

41

Or, you could do as Jack Nicholson's character tried to do, and that's push the blame to the lowest possible level.  Away from him.

Put a couple of privates in jail and pretend you've taken care of the issue.

42 #35 Leak WHAT to Fox news?

"Hi, Glenn, yeah. . .I know this army psychiatrist and he's acting a little nutty".

Since when is Fox News our domestic counterterrorist law enforcement?  

43
It's always been well known it is the sergeants that make the army work, I imagine if an E-5 had received this information he would have known what the right  course of action should be come hell or high water.

44 Investigators would have been "crucified" over First Amendment rights if they had launched a full-scale probe into e-mails Fort Hood massacre suspect Army Maj. Nidal Malik Hasan allegedly sent to a radical imam, a government investigator told Fox News.

Can they say "crucified"? I thought that utternace constituted a hate crime, these days.

45

Hmm, WaPo reporting an inconvenient truth:

The Army psychiatrist accused of killing 13 people last week at Fort Hood, Tex., did not formally seek to leave the military as a conscientious objector or for any other reason, an Army official said, despite claims by one of his relatives that he had done so.

46 I've never heard of me.  I look in the mirror every morning and wonder who the fuck is this guy?

47 Since when is Fox News our domestic counterterrorist law enforcement? Posted by: looking closely at November 11, 2009 02:17 PM (PwGfd)

Since liberals decided that the WaPo and NY Slimes were arbiters of what constitutes national security for the US and what covert operations should be broadcast to the world.

48

Oops, sock!  

Chicago Mayor Richard Daley pointed to America's "love" affair with guns as the driving factor behind last week's shooting at Fort Hood, becoming the latest and possibly most prominent figure to show a reluctance to cite religion.

Um, Dick? He was in the military, you know, those people whose job depends on them having guns? The hell is wrong with these idiots? Oh, right, they're democrats.

The problem was that these soldiers were in a gun free zone.  If someone would have had a gun, this guy could have been taken down before he killed and injured all those people.

49 My jockey shorts are a gun free zone.

50

Which is why it's so important to get people to understand that islam is not really a religion, but a political ideology.

Posted by: progressoverpeace at November 11, 2009 02:01 PM (A46hP)

Judaism originated as a political ideology. Christianity enfolded itself into the political ideology of the Roman Empire and became a political ideology. But these religions evolved to adapt to the modern era in which the political ideology of governance is separate from the Mandate of Heaven.

Anyone advocating a restoration of the Holy Roman Empire by violent revolution is rightly considered beyond the pale of acceptable societal tolerance, as would be anyone advocating the use of terrorism to force the rebuilding of the Temple in Jerusalem and the restoration of government according only to the laws and rituals set forth in the Torah. We call these people fanatics and do not excuse their fanaticism because of its religious roots.

But for some reason, the fashionable people in the West do excuse Salafist Islam and the Shi'ite theocracy in Iran.

51 #47 I just don't see how criminal disregard for national security on the part of the NYT transfers that responsibility onto Fox News.

IMO Fox news should just. . .well, report the news.

If Fox news has any role here (and I would agree with you that it does), that role should be to FULLY explore and publicize the details surrounding this case.

Let everyone know EXACTLY what was wrong with this guy, document ALL his history, and document exactly what the Army's response was to his ravings over the past several months/years.

52 41

That's not an "or." That's how this is done.

Because if you're going to claim Rule 2 is the most important rule, you have to jail those people who were "confused" and/or "derelict in their duty" in treating Rule 1 as primary.

Even tho, of course, there was no "confusion" or "dereliction" at all -- they were RIGHT that Rule 1 was actually the primary rule. It was a lie that Rule 2 was primary.

But to maintain the facade, yes, people have to go to jail. The policymakers cannot admit what the real rule is, or else they'd have to defend it. So any time the real rule is exposed as being the real rule, they have to claim that investiagors or soldiers erred, possibly criminally.

53 Nadal's Emails To The Enemy Constitutionally Protected?The "hunky" Spanish tennis player is a terrorist??!!  My sister will be saddened greatly...

Snarky way to say it's "Nidal" who's the shooter...

54 Wasn't yesterday's explanation that he was doing a term paper or research?  They can't seem to keep their lies straight.  Has Gen. Casey been fired yet?

55 understand that islam is not really a religion, but a political ideology.

Actually its even more encompassing than that.  Islam is a social blueprint for a self contained society - including religious, political, judicial, cultural and economic aspects.

The people who think of it as just another religion are naive. 

56 If it is all about keeping muslims safe, then the war is over.

I do not want one more soldier killed for the sake of the 3400 muslims in the military.

57 Can I be the first to say this is what happens when you pick Hope and Change over Strong and Able.

58

I don't think these guys are wrong for not wanting to risk their careers over an investigation.  Not if you consider that lots of other people would have had to go along with it to really get anywhere. 

There's a lot of things I'd do to risk my career if it were up to me and a few trusted friends.  I'd never think of trying them if I needed to bring other people into it who might be better served by watching me fail.  In this case, one guy looking to make his bones as a diversity maven could have stopped an investigation and put the whistleblower into a career crash.

I think the military needs to remember and reassert - as someone already pointed out - that there is no democracy therein.  There are few rights, and if you say something the miltary doesn't like, tough sh*t for you.  And if someone thinks you're making trouble, as long as they accuse you in good faith, they're safe even if they're mistaken.

59 I guess these fucks haven't heard of the UCMJ. It's pretty useful. The military ain't a democracy and you check your rights at the door.

60 "Had we launched an investigation of Hasan we'd have been crucified," the investigator said, adding that the communications were shared with the "appropriate chains."

Seems to me that an appropriate response at this point is to name the investigators who failed to pursue the matter, drive them out of their jobs and crucify them in the arena of public opinion.  Perhaps in that case, an investigator facing a similar situation in future will not presume that he can save his career by punting the danger to someone else.

61 SUMMON THE EFFING METEORS

62

Oh, I see.  It's not treason, not terrorism.  It's faith-based violence.

I feel so much better now.

63 All I know is, whenever this stuff happens, no one thinks "There go those Belgians again."

64 Here's another example I've learned:

1. A man should try to show affection, lust, love, yearning, and generally make a woman feel beautiful, sexy, wanted, etc. And even though she may shoot down his advances repeatedly, he still has a responsibly to persist to prove his affection.

2. No means no.

65

Daley can kiss my you know what.  He's probably sitting on top of a very nasty potential attack as he speaks -- been bending over backwards to be "welcoming" to a certain group of people, which means he's getting money from someplace.  Frakker.

As for diversity in the military -- there's always been plenty of diversity in the military, at least as long as I've known it.  It's always been made up of people from every freaking walk of life, corner of the country/world -- and it was the most "pc" and equal place, because the only thing that was supposed to matter was how stand up and squared away you were: "here you are all equally worthless until you prove otherwise", "ain't no other color than this right here (pointing to your utilities)".  That's why I always liked it; there were always jag offs and there were always squared away folks, and you just never knew who that would be until they did something, so you stopped your predetermined biases pretty quick.  Guess they've frakked that up now.  I don't know who's more to blame -- the higher ups for allowing that esprit de corps to wear away, or the society that pushed for it to go away -- and I don't know what the cure will be either.  I feel bad for my kids and their comrades in arms.

66 Posted by: stuiec at November 11, 2009 02:23 PM (rBLs5)

Judaism wasn't constructed as a political ideology but as a social contract among the members of a tribe, and only them. Judaism contains no instructions to gain the power of state and does not even apply to any land outside of that given to the Jews.

Christianity was never political but came into political influence with the fall of Rome and the need for that power vacuum to be filled. It saved Europe, which would have just disintegrated without anything else to provide that cohesion.

Islam, on the other hand, was built to provide the political framework of a growing land empire, with the continual growth of that empire being part of the canonical texts. It is not that islam slipped into a political role, as Christianity did, or was given only to rule over a very specific people and land, as Judaism does, but that islam contains within it the call for a continual accumulation of all state power, no matter where or over whom.

This aspect of islam is seen in action everywhere that muslims exist and is most glaring in the structure that Ataturk decided was necessary for Turkey, in order for it to have any chance of becoming a modern state.

Islam, at its core, is more political than anything else, and that is not true of either Judaism or Christianity, which give nothing but dictates to the individuals as to how each of them should behave, while islam addresses how all groups should behave, with the idividual being relegated to near worthless stature (as is seen by the fact that muslims are forced to kiss the ground five times a day, to remind themselves how worthless they are as individuals).

67
This is why we can't allow the Rule of Law to become undermined.

And this is also why the left wants to undermine it.

68 Does anyone remember Gen. William Boykin?
He made comments at a church service that cast the GWOT in a religious light and battle against evil in general and forces of Satan in particular.
Naturally, the usual suspects (the media, CAIR, ACLU) got up in arms over the "inflammatory" nature of the remarks and their effect on the "Muslim Street."
We were chastised, IIRC, that soldiers sacrifice a degree of their 1st amendment rights when speaking in uniform.

So, just to make sure I'm clear:
+Giving a guest sermon at a church-not protected speech.
+Communicating with enemies directly engaged in combat with our armed forces, and working to disrupt our interests around the world-1st amendment protected speech, you racist islamophobe!

Glad we cleared that up.

69 Nothing, supposedly, is more important than national security and the preservation of troops' lives.

So, thge letters sent by Tim McVeigh when he was in Iraq in which he rants about Waco should have been read by his superiors, after which the military would discharge him? And then, as a civilian, his movements should be carefully surveilled?

What about the rightwing motherfuckers here who threaten "revolution, "secession," "kill muslims"? Shouldn't they be picked up for questioning?

What about the rightwing domestic terrorists, like Randall Terry, and all the wanna be Eric Randolphs? Shouldn't we lock them up?

The Minutemen?

Consistency, knucklefuckingheads.

70

Dimwit Opies response maks Opie seem almost sympathetic to Islamofascists.

71 51 #47 I just don't see how criminal disregard for national security on the part of the NYT transfers that responsibility onto Fox News. IMO Fox news should just. . .well, report the news.

Posted by: looking closely at November 11, 2009 02:24 PM (6Q9g2)

I agree, but I was just offering the natural extension of the lefty argument that the press is the ultimate arbiter of national security - a view that has also been supported by many others and was taken seriously enough that Bush never tried to prosecute the WaPo or NY Slimes for treason or espionage.

72

Minitrue, how did you become such a complete faggot?

73 Ace,

While I don't necessary disagree with yours, I don't think you have to construct a model of imaginary unspoken rules to explain what happened here. 

My suspicion is that this is a case where the other soldiers around Hasan either didn't believe that this guy was a serious threat, didn't feel it was their personal responsibility to call attention to this, and thought that raising politically incorrect issues of Islamicism within the military would be more trouble than it was worth.

Remember Hasan is both a doctor and a major.   That means he probably outranked most of the others around him, and "don't piss off your superior officers" is probably an equally valid unstated rule!

I think had ANYONE on that base really believed that Hasan was going to go on a shooting spree, there would have been a much closer look at the guy (at least).   Had he been a buck private rather than a senior officer and physician, his eccentricities probably wouldn't have been tolerated so readily.

As a side thing, in my experience a LOT of psychiatrists are nuts.  Psychiatrists actually have the highest rate of mental illness of all the medical specialists, probably at least in part because the history of mental illness attracts them to the specialty.

74  Ace, you hate The Constitution.

Rights are OK for people with whom you agree.

75

43 -- and sorry to say, but I know plenty of blue falcon or just plain inept E-5s who would have done nothing with this, or would've kicked the can right down the road.  The officer corps is full of inept, unethical @$%^@s (it also has some good people in it), and the same can be said for the NCOs and the troops themselves.

This is one of the prices we pay for a professional military -- some people are in this strictly for the pay and a place to stay (including grunts).  Again, I don't know what the cure for this is -- maybe it's just a symptom of a state in evolving stages (see Rome for an example -- started out with patriotic citizen soldiers, ended with a professional army that wasn't really all that patriotic).

76 Why don't we form the 3rd Muslim Battalion...that way they'd be easier to keep an eye on, and when one of them went jihad on base, he'd only harm other muslims. Of course, we'd probably not want to give them weapons....

77
wow, yeah, Boykin. Good memory, Axel.

That's the kind of diversity we don't need in this man's Army.

78
Investigators would have been "crucified" over First Amendment rights if they had launched a full-scale probe into e-mails Fort Hood massacre suspect Army Maj. Nidal Malik Hasan allegedly sent to a radical imam, a government investigator told Fox News.

That is an outright lie.  The military owns your ass when you're in, they can read or listen to anything they damn well want to, f*ck your 1st Amendment rights.   That's a completely civilian argument that absolutely, in now way at all, applies to people in the military.  Whoever is pushing this tripe is trying to cover their ass.

79 Investigators would have been "crucified" over First Amendment rights if they had launched a full-scale probe into e-mails.

I would say that given what Holder the Whore is doing now over "Gitmo Questioning" they are exactly correct.

We must get this PC shit turned around in both government and civilian life.

80 And just what could the Army have done to this guy if they investigated him? Sure they could have kicked him out of the service but he could've went on a shooting spree as a civilian just as easily. Sometimes it just kills you guys to admit that Obama was right on this one. We shoudn't jump to conclusions.

81
There is no reasonable expectation of privacy in the military.

82
Rights are OK for people with whom you agree.

That's right, fuckface mcmuffin, Hasan was denied his rights. Hasan was the victim. Hasan was the one being denied his civil rights. This is our fault.

83 we are told at work that all email is subject to search and impoundment, because it is created with software and hardware owned and licensed by the company. is the military different? unless the emails in question were on a private pc and internet connection paid for by the murderous traitor Hasan, in which case a subpoena is in order. having said this, I feel Hasan should be hung by the neck until dead, then left to rot, then gibbeted.

84 Looks like we have another asshole troll to point at. Minidick, go fuck yourself, you ignorant slut.

85 General Casey bumper sticker

86 #71

I think there were two reasons Bush didn't try to prosecute the traitors at the NYT.

First is, that attacking the press is generally about as helpful as kicking a skunk (as Obama is maybe starting to learn about Fox news).

Second, Bush seemed to take a "turn the other cheek" attitude towards domestic critics and political enemies.

Perhaps he thought that using the Attorney General's office to attack the NYT would have been perceived as politically motivated, given the many attacks by the liberal press against the AG's office during Bush's tenure.

In this case in particular, I think Bush was wrong.  In my opinion he could have (and should have) made it quite clear that he wasn't attacking the NYT out of personal or ideologic motives, but because their reporting was in violation of the law and directly undermined American security, potentially risking lives.  Even if he could never secure a criminal conviction (though who knows. . .he might have been able to do so) at least he would have created a chilling effect about future security leaks.

87 The SCOTUS has held that members of military have limited 1st Amendment rights.

Did you flunk Const. Law, ace?

88 They should have killed Hasan on a gibbet of his own design - nailed him for violating the primacy (stated or unstated) of diversity. Get in the photo or get out of the Army: That should have been Hasan's choice.

89 erg, you have been asked to leave. You have been banned. You evade the ban because your employer has a lot of different IPs.

I am warning you -- so you know it's coming -- that you have forfeited any privacy "rights" you think you may have.

When it happens, cocksucker, do not whine about it.

You were asked to leave. You have now been warned.

90
eggmcfuckhead, everyone here knows you're a fucking dunce -- stop pretending you know what you're talking about

91 I don't get it. There are limits on free speech and saying certain things at the wrong time will get you arrested. How is this any different?

92

Just how many people have to die before we finally realize that guns are evil?

 

93

84 Looks like we have another asshole troll to point at. Minidick, go fuck yourself, you ignorant slut.

Alas, it's only Erg.  It left some droppings in one of the earlier threads too.

94

Oh and the fallout from Ft Hood will be the most breathtaking exercise in CYA and scapegoating and PC idiocy that most of us will have seen in our lifetimes.

What did the Army know, and when did it know it?

14 people are dead, scores wounded. If these official cocksuckers will not come clean on how Hasan slipped thru the cracks, then their heads must roll.

We will have justice for The Fourteen, and we will march on a road of bones, if need be, to get there.

WRITE YOUR CONGRESSMAN AND SENATOR AND DEMAND HEARINGS

95 um, officers in the military (and anyone with a security clearance) are not permitted to make contact with the enemy without immediately reporting the contact to their superiors.

This is sort of obvious.

96 Kicking Hasan out of the military could also have been predicated on his repeated assertions that his duty to sharia trumped his duty to the US constitution. He can believe what he wants about the primacy of one or the other as a private citizen. In the army, you have to take a loyalty oath to defend the constitution. Ordinary citizens are not required to pass any test of loyalty or take loyalty oaths, but army personnel are.

97 87 The SCOTUS has held that members of military have limited 1st Amendment rights.

Posted by: Minitrue at November 11, 2009 02:49 PM (RdKK I don't think the right to give aid and comfort to the enemy, or to wage war on the US, is included in that. Of course, you lefties believe that treason is a Constitutional right, which is why you voted for that America-hating, ineligible, Indonesian imbecile for Precedent.

98 81.

The email thing is a complete red herring.

OF COURSE the military COULD have read all his emails, etc.

But that's irrelevant, because apparently he was also spouting off IN PERSON to all sort of people how he hated the military, etc.  So no interception of his emails was necessary to know he was at least angry (if not homicidally so) and subscribed to a questionable set of beliefs, in contradiction to every tenet of military discipline.
 

99 Did you hear something? It sounded like somebody desperately employing the tu quoque fallacy. Or a blithering cockbag, one or the other.

100

14 people are dead, scores wounded. If these official cocksuckers will not come clean on how Hasan slipped thru the cracks, then their heads must roll.

We will have justice for The Fourteen, and we will march on a road of bones, if need be, to get there.

WRITE YOUR CONGRESSMAN AND SENATOR AND DEMAND HEARINGS

Posted by: Jones at November 11, 2009 02:53 PM (KOkrW)

Exactly and tell them we want a nation without guns!

101  Hasan was the victim.

So, the solution is...do deny 1st Amendment rights to all muslims?

See, you fuckers back yourself into these corners of knuckleheaded contradictions all the time.

I know you need events like this for campaign fodder--that the liberal "PC" culture created Hasan.

Keep trying, little brothers.

102 Rights are OK for people with whom you agree.

Posted by: Minitrue at November 11, 2009 02:41 PM (RdKK

Traitor much?

103 In this case in particular, I think Bush was wrong. In my opinion he could have (and should have) made it quite clear that he wasn't attacking the NYT out of personal or ideologic motives, but because their reporting was in violation of the law and directly undermined American security, potentially risking lives. Even if he could never secure a criminal conviction (though who knows. . .he might have been able to do so) at least he would have created a chilling effect about future security leaks.

Posted by: looking closely at November 11, 2009 02:49 PM (6Q9g2)

I agree.

104

There is no reasonable expectation of privacy in the military -- they have a right to search your stuff, including your mail, and it is for security reasons (on a lot of different levels).  I think they've gotten kinda lax with that.

However, Vic is right -- some pigs are more equal than others, and are "entitled" to more expectations of privacy.

There are Muslims in our military who are very loyal and good soldiers; for them I feel badly -- but they would probably tell you to go ahead and investigate them, as they have nothing to hide. 

105
So, the solution is...do deny 1st Amendment rights to all muslims?

Yeah, that's EXACTLY what we're saying.

Are you illiterate? Are you a fucking dunce? Do you not comprehend the grouping of characters and symbols you are staring at right now?

106

I just can't even listen to him any more.  I will read transcripts, but the sound of his voice, never mind his arrogant presence is enough to make me obliterate whatever device is feeding me the media.

Ditto

He actually gave a good speech.  But that's the one thing that's not wrong with him.

He is NOT A GOOD SPEAKER. He reads, he ums, he ers, he looks into the distance, he is halting, he is too slow. The "Obama is a great speaker" mantra is propaganda. If they say it is true enough times then everyone believes it. He IS NOT a great orator and if you think so you got some koolade crystals in your value-rite.

I swear, it's like almost everyone was hypnotized while I was screaming WTF. 

107 Actually erg impresses me, it's amazing he can post with a face full of nutsack.

108 So, the solution is...do deny 1st Amendment rights to all muslims?

So, you're an ignorant sack of shit? Nice to know. Oh, and has been pointed out repeatedly, much to your consternation i'm sure, contacting the enemy isn't protectd by the 1st amendement. The only people claiming it is are retarded fuckwits such as yourself. And has also been pointed out, the attitude you and your ilk hold led to the slaughter at Ft. Hood. To sum up, fuck you.

109

The SCOTUS has held that members of military have limited 1st Amendment rights.

 

In other words, people in the military don't have the same rights as civilians

 

110

So, Nadal's emails are protected speech and cannot be used against him.  Sarah Palin's emails, on the other hand, are fair game.

Got it.

111 Soldiers don't have rights. They gave them up so you can have yours.

112

So, the solution is...do deny 1st Amendment rights to all muslims?

No, and no one had made that argument. Pay attention, will you, It slows the thread down when the rest of the adults have to stop and catch you up to speed. The point everyone is making is that direct contact with enemies of the state is not a protected first amendment activity when you are in the military. 

See, you f#*!ers back yourself into these corners of knuckleheaded contradictions all the time.

What is contradictory about the statement I have outlined above. Your attempt, however, to take a reasonable position (as outlined above) and connect it to something earth sharttering stupid (deny 1st Amendment right to American Muslims) is knuckleheaded.

I know you need events like this for campaign fodder--that the liberal "PC" culture created Hasan.

Yeah, unlike "Bush lied...people died". No, the left never uses the tragedy of fallen soldiers for political gain. Or calling every military engagement a "quagmire" even when the engagement is a month old. Yup, erg., it is all us. Thanks, you are so illuminating.

113 The SCOTUS has held that members of military have limited 1st Amendment rights.

So like emailing my AQ buds and killing some unarmed soldiers might not be protected?  Fuck.

114 Here I was crying out for help and you stick a needle in my arm? What was that about?

115 #101
Do you wear a condom when you fuck chickens?

How were Hasan's 1st amendment rights violated?  Didn't happen.  Do you even know what the first amendment says?

As a secondary matter (irrelevant to this case, actually) when you're in the military you do NOT have the right to say anything you like, and this NON-right extends equally to serving Muslims, Jews, Catholics, atheists, and everyone else from the lowest buck private to the highest ranking general. 

If you're concerned about people reading this guy's emails, you might want to check out the 4th amendment, which is the one that's relevant here.

116

In other words, people in the military don't have the same rights as civilians.

That's right. There are all kinds of things civilians can do and active duty military cannot. It goes with the uniform. How is that not clear to people?

If you're a civilian you can get pissed at your boss, tell him to f-u and walk out. He cannot have you arrested. One example among many.

117  You have now been warned.

I think you probably flunked out of law school.

You reveal my identity, and I'll sue you for libel.

And I'll sue the ISP for employing a buddy of yours who supplied you with confidential information.

Just ask me nicely to leave. And I will.

118 So, the solution is...do deny 1st Amendment rights to all muslims?

I can't believe that erg is actually this stupid.  His spelling is too good.

In the aftermath of McVeigh's terrorist attack, Bill Clinton instructed the government to be on the lookout for reactionary militia groups advocating violence.  Was that a 1st amendment problem?  No, it was not.

That's all we're talking about here.  Liberals were fine with it under Bill Clinton, and they should be fine with it under Obama, regardless of what particular religion the would-be terrorist happen to be.

119 I think you probably flunked out of law school.

You reveal my identity, and I'll sue you for libel.

Bwahahahahaha! Bwahahahahaha! Revealing your name is libelous? Bwahahaha!

120 Posted by: progressoverpeace at November 11, 2009 02:33 PM (A46hP)

Come on, now.  The Torah is a complete blueprint for the government of a state in a defined homeland.  It defines civil and criminal offenses and their punishments and a system of taxation to support the Temple-state.  The idea that the Torah is not political because it's not expansionist is absurd.  When the homeland to which Torah political government applied was conquered and then dismantled, Judaism adapted into a religious faith, finding (for example) ways for Jews to fulfill the obligation to celebrate the Passover even though the Temple no longer existed.

Christianity insinuated itself into the Roman Empire and took the reins of power with the conversion of Constantine.  It reinforced its hold on political power over the following centuries, attaching its imprimatur to the authority of kings.  Its fragmentation on faith lines led to the waning of its temporal power, but even into the 19th century, the Papal States fielded armies, conquered territories and imposed Church law as part of political government.  With the rise of the belief in the rights of man and the principle of government by the consent of the governed, the political authority of Christianity was reduced solely to its moral authority.

The problem with Islam is that it has sizable minorities that want to take it directly back to its glory days of political dominance and further want to expand its dominion to all human beings.  These people (despite what the bumper stickers in Berkeley say) have no desire to coexist, except possibly as masters of the dhimmi.  Further, there aren't very many voices in Islam -- at least, not speaking to the West -- saying that the extremists are archaic, atavistic and evil, and rallying the rest of their co-religionists to fight and destroy them.

Maybe relatively few Russians were Communist Party members, and relatively few Germans were Nazi Party members, but their failure to oppose their rulers, and their willingness to go along with evil as long as it benefited them or at least didn't mean they were the ones taken away in the middle of the night, enabled those regimes to perpetrate great evil.  Muslims whose reaction to Ft. Hood is to whine about how it puts them at risk of backlash are contemptible.  Non-Muslim military and political and media leaders who whine about the same thing are despicable.

121

Minitrue

Please leave

122
You reveal my identity, and I'll sue you for libel.

Do you even know what libel means, dunce?

123 Just ask me nicely to leave. And I will.

Posted by: Minitrue at November 11, 2009 03:07 PM (RdKK

Don't go away mad, just fuck off already.

124 Just ask me nicely to leave. And I will.

Posted by: Minitrue at November 11, 2009 03:07 PM (RdKK

Mouthpieces for traitors don't deserve courtesy. Fuck off.

125 >>Dumbass sez:  You reveal my identity, and I'll sue you for libel.

Who is the one who flunked out of law school?

OK Perry Mason, do you know what the word "libel" means?

Which "amendment" gives you the right to internet privacy?

126

Well, I certainly agree that some fucking crucifictions are in order.

127 121 Minitrue

Please leave

I second it.

128
Just ask me nicely to leave.

Eat shit.

We'll have an auction. The highest bidder gets your address.

129 MiniLibtard,  you'll sue no one.  You're a LIBTARD fairy. 
Use your dictionary fuckwad.   Look up libel you sniveling cock sucker.

130

That's right. There are all kinds of things civilians can do and active duty military cannot. It goes with the uniform. How is that not clear to people?

I remember a sargeant making that unmistakably clear about 30 seconds after we completed the enlistment oath. They didn't have to discharge him either. They could have sent him to Leavenworth. He violated the UCMJ.

131
sue you for libel


 lol you dumbass

132

You reveal my identity, and I'll sue you for libel.

Precious. Simply precious.

The only harm that would come to you if your identity was revealed is that the people who have to suffer your presence in the real world would know just what an offensive, brainless, idiotic twat you really are.

Although, I'm sure they are already well aware of that fact.

133 >>"Just ask me nicely to leave and I will".

Go f*ck yourself with a rusty pole.
Is that nice enough?

But, no please DON'T leave.

Please stick around, making as many posts as possible, each one linking to your IP address.

Brilliant.

134

Yeah, uhm sorry Ali, but I'm not so sure that shouldn't fall under treasonous activity and/or conspiracy to commit terrorism/committing a terrorist act for civilians as well. 

Ah well, at least he didn't target a bunch of civilians -- that may sound bad, but it could've been a lot worse.  At least the people who died in some way didn't die completely in vain; now hopefully something good comes out of it (not holding my breathe).

135

As a progressive myself, I often root for the trolls of conservative blogs. Those hearty band of true believers, often stepping into the breech to do hand to hand combat with the more offensive elements of the right wing. I happily cheer them on, like a spectator at a Roman Gladiator contest. At the end of the day, I hope they prevail, but if not, that they are given a hearty thumbs up by the crowd so the battle tested troll can live, to be returned to the Colisuem of the mind, to engage in political combat once more.

Then there is erg. Operating under various names, such as Dr. Benway, eggmcmuffin and minitrue, to list just a few, erg is to logic and intelligence as the Chicago Cubs are to World Series championships. His primary strategy seems to be to shout out a singular, unsupported, "arguments" (that term being defined with as much flexiability as a pair of Rosie O'Donnell sweatpants) hoping that it makes sense. It has the same effect of a small child walking across an empty field, holding his arms out, as if his outstretch hands could stop the wind. Often, erg's arguments resemble the deranged screams of mental ward patient who has been taken off his medicine. "Your a knucklehead"  seems to be one of his favorite retorts, as if merely uttering it makes any combination of random letters a winning argument. Sadly, erg would be better off just randomly hitting letters on the keyboard. They say that if 1000 monkeys were given 1000 years, one could produce the works of Shakespear. If 10,000 ergs were given 10,000 years, this reviewer seriously doubts that any logical, cohesive thought  would be made.

On a scale of 4 stars, I give 1 - not for any real talent or skill, but merely showing up. I would probably give him 2 if he just stopped showing up.

136 I fail to see how the first amendment restricts the governments ability to investigate open communications with a declared enemy of the United States. 
Lets review. UCMJ punitive artices.
881. ART. 81. CONSPIRACY Any person subject to this chapter who conspires with any other person to commit an offense under this chapter shall, if one or more of the conspirators does an act to effect the object of the conspiracy, be punished as a court-martial may direct.
888. ART. 88. CONTEMPT TOWARD OFFICIALS Any commissioned officer who uses contemptuous words against the President, the Vice President, Congress, the Secretary of Defense, the Secretary of a military department, the Secretary of Transportation, or the Governor or legislature of any State, Territory, Commonwealth, or possession in which he is on duty or present shall be punished as a court-martial may direct.
904. ART. 104. AIDING THE ENEMY Any person who-- (1) aids, or attempts to aid, the enemy with arms, ammunition, supplies, money, or other things; or (2) without proper authority, knowingly harbors or protects or gives intelligence to or communicates or corresponds with or holds any intercourse with the enemy, either directly or indirectly; (Emphasis added)
shall suffer death or such other punishment as a court-martial or military commission may direct.

137 128
Just ask me nicely to leave.

Eat shit.

We'll have an auction. The highest bidder gets your address.

Posted by: Tweet beats dead horses at November 11, 2009 03:12 PM (m8h4o)

I bid 500 quatloos

138 He ran away.  Coward fairies always do.

139 Thank you for saying 14 dead

140
I'm not calling you eggmcmuffin, anymore.

From now on, you're Anonymous Coward.

Way to stand by the shit you say online, coward. You're even more of a coward than those pencil-neck wannabe anarchists who wear masks and throw rocks at windows and then run back behind the counter at Starbuck's or to their desks at Microsoft.

141

You reveal my identity, and I'll sue you for libel.

Good luck - since one essential element of libel involves a false statement. I think you flunked out of law school.

142 Reveal his identity Ace.    Then let "us" take care of him.

143

136 / Mike:

J. Kerry and E. Kennedy were guilty of 904 Art 104 (c). Kerry with the govt of N. Vietnam and Kennedy with the USSR (but of course were not prosecuted)

144

Is "I'll sue you for libel" code speech for "I'll tell my mommy on you"?

Seriously, you need to either quit being an obstreperous prick, go away, or grow into a pair of big boy's briefs (unless you're a chick, in which case, big girl's panties).

See, plenty of choices.

145 You have been "asked to leave" on a dozen occasions.

If you are going to continue hopping around your employer's computers to avoid bans, I have no choice, really, but to contact him and inform him how you're spending your working hours.

Incidentally? The last straw was the libel about "my aborted fetus." That is, in fact, libel, and something I can present to your employer as a clear violation of, I'm sure, the rules about use of employer computers.

146 144

Is "I'll sue you for libel" code speech for "I'll tell my mommy on you"?

Seriously, you need to either quit being an obstreperous prick, go away, or grow into a pair of big boy's briefs (unless you're a chick, in which case, big girl's panties).

See, plenty of choices.

Posted by: unknown jane at November 11, 2009 03:25 PM (5/yRG)

Classic!

 

147 OT:  http://tinyurl.com/yly2zct

Read this, Morons.  And the thread which follows.  Obaba is turning out to be quite the miracle cure for BDS. 

148 Hasan family is guilty as well. They know full well what the deal was with this guy. How many Muslims do we have in the armed forces. Any flying bombers. We are the enemy plain and simple they all know it, just a large segment of our society doesn't believe. It is true that some are more modern and trying to modernize and not take the literal meaning of the Koran. Where are they though in denouncing this? Hiding laying back because they too know what is written in the Koran. One day they will get that knock on the door and willfully follow in the name of Allah. Wake up America.

149   135   E. Earl Huffingslate, Blog Critic, NY Times

Well played.

150 Erg works somewhere where people tend to think they're much smarter than they are.

151 150 Erg works somewhere where people tend to think they're much smarter than they are.

Posted by: ace at November 11, 2009 03:30 PM (jlvw3)

Starbucks?

152  Erg works somewhere where people tend to think they're much smarter than they are.

Posted by: ace at November 11, 2009 03:30 PM (jlvw3)

WH or Harvard?

153 The hell with his identify, I can have lots a fun with his IP address alone.

154 He wishes.

155 Um, so let me get this straight...

The people who have spent the last few years shrieking in horror over a handful of US military with ties to white supremacists are now saying it's a Constitutionally protected right for commissioned officers to communicate with declared enemies of the US?

156

Erg works somewhere where people tend to think they're much smarter than they are.

The New York Times, the duece you say, ol' chap.

157

150 Erg works somewhere where people tend to think they're much smarter than they are.

A Liberal Arts College?

158 hahaha. No. The places you're naming actually include smart people. (Smart but not as smart as they think.)

Erg doesn't work anywhere so competitive or prestigious.

He does, however, work for the sort of place that has lots of little rules and stuff and they will enforce them if pushed hard enough.

159 >Just ask me nicely to leave. And I will.

Posted by: Minitrue at November 11, 2009 03:07 PM (RdKK

 

I would like to meet you in person. Please come to one of our future meet-ups.

160

Erg works somewhere where people tend to think they're much smarter than they are.

CU - Boulder ?

161 Erg, I want you gone. I have endured you long enough. I don't like ratcheting up like this but you have left me no choice.

Go away. Find some other blog to troll.

And use an IP anonymizer next time, Champ.

162

Erg works somewhere where people tend to think they're much smarter than they are.

erg works for the DNC?

163 Erg works at Borders?

164 He does, however, work for the sort of place that has lots of little rules and stuff and they will enforce them if pushed hard enough.


Government.

165

He does, however, work for the sort of place that has lots of little rules and stuff and they will enforce them if pushed hard enough.

Please God, don't tell us..............The Internal Revenue Service!

166 I'm not saying. The deal is he goes and there's no problem.

He stays and there are problems.

167

Erg is with the New York Times or the Oprah show???

168

I'm putting money on a college or university (Starbuck's probably wouldn't have multiple IPs, neither would The Gap) -- maybe Apple?

169 Erg works for teh NY Republican Party in the 23rd district?

170 erg works for Air America?

171 Erg is Rahm Emanuel??

172

He does, however, work for the sort of place that has lots of little rules and stuff and they will enforce them if pushed hard enough.

US Dept of Agriculture - Sheep & Goats fecundity testing division ?

173 150 Erg works somewhere where people tend to think they're much smarter than they are.

Posted by: ace at November 11, 2009 03:30 PM (jlvw3) \

ACORN!

174

Erg is with .............. the Oprah show???

So erg is...............Steadman? Ewwww.

175 Auction off his name and address.  Fundraiser for the troops. 

176 Is it Walmart??

177

Erg works for teh NY Republican Party in the 23rd district?

And we have our winner. If you bet Uncle Facts at post number #169 - go to the window and collect your winnings.

178 I got it!  Erg is a hair dresser at some uptown salon someplace!

179

ACORN!

Posted by: conscious, but incoherent at November 11, 2009 03:39 PM (kn+jW)

Can't be. The only rule they have is Don't Get Caught.

180 Gay Peoples Union of Soivet Socialist Banana Republic???

181 Erg is one of those funny talking guys at the Quickie Mart?

182 OMG! The Letterman Show! erg is Paul Shaffer!

183

Erg works somewhere where people tend to think they're much smarter than they are.

MSNBC - so erg is C#*ntessa Brewer!!

184

So, thge letters sent by Tim McVeigh when he was in Iraq in which he rants about Waco should have been read by his superiors, after which the military would discharge him? And then, as a civilian, his movements should be carefully surveilled?

Waco happened after Iraq I. How much of a pathetic liar are you?

What about the rightwing domestic terrorists, like Randall Terry,

Who engages in the same sort of sit-ins that you leftists always liked. How is that terrorism, dupe?

The Minutemen?

Patriots whose only weapons are mobile phones and 2-way radios. That you side with the Reconquista traitors is revealing.

Consistency, knucklefuckingheads.

Can we hunt this ISP down now?

185 Incidentally, no one should get worried I am going all Charles Johnson. This is a big step I have never taken before.

However, erg has been banned and asked to leave literally dozens of times. He won't respect that, and keeps on trolling.

Under those circumstances, he has demonstrated that he intends to remain an unwelcome guest for so long as he is permitted to rely on his own capacity to make decisions.

So in this one case -- this one case -- I am invoking my right, and ability, to make it SOMEONE ELSE's decision.

I haven't threatened anyone like this before. Erg is especially obnoxious, and erg was especially sloppy.

This is not going to be a trend.

But I have put up with this cocksucker now for four years and I've fucking had it.

186 #158

A bookstore?

187

wait... erg has a job?  Really??  Someone actually hired that mindless turd to do something other than man the gloryholes at a gay bar?

Incredible.

188 Huffpo? Kos? DU?

189 Erg writes for the Examiner?



Oh, wait...

190 Ok. I'll leave. I love this fucking blog. I'm serious.

As for libel. If my id was revealed, then all of those terrible, hurtful things said about me over the years (well, last two years--let's not forget the statute of limitations on bringing a suit of defamation) here would be false statements fact, and the basis for a claim of defamation. I'm anonymous, because I don't want to be a public person. So, I'm certain I would be a private plaintiff.

As you know, your anonymity protects you as well from the tort of defamation. Revealing the identities of commentators would of course expose you to considerable liability for allegedly defamatory statements made by you over the years.

Also, while I don't give a damn whether you have readers who would like to cause me real harm, you can see how revealing my identity would result in your role as the proximate cause of my injury or death.

191 You reveal my identity, and I'll sue you for libel.

*snort*

On what grounds?

1) This blog is privately owned and operated. The owner may do as he pleases with it.

2) You have no right to anonymity.

3) Libel implies a falsehood that causes some harm to your reputation; exposing your identity cannot qualify because it's true, and because any harm to your reputation would come from associating your statements with your true identity. It is, flatly, self-inflicted damage, not libel.

192
Who knew a gay bath house would have more than one IP address?

193

Huffpo? Kos? DU?

No - to steal someone else material, I think they only have 1 rule - at all time, suck Obama's cock.

194 Ace,
Stop talking about it.
Just do it.

195 Does it involve getting punched in the junk?

196 General Casey, meet General Arnold, and I don't mean Hap Arnold.  I mean Benedict.

197 That's a damn good post, Ace.

198

wait... erg has a job?  Really??  Someone actually hired that mindless turd to do something other than man the gloryholes at a gay bar?

Someone has to mop the floor even at a gloryhole site.

199 Welfare office or DMV -- favoring DMV???

200 erg,

Go now. The threat is real, but it is, at this point, merely a threat.

It's better for all concerned that we avoid this unpleasantness.

201
Erg works somewhere where people tend to think they're much smarter than they are.

FOX Broadcasting Company's programming department?

202 Ace, I'm sure Pixy can make a log for you of erg's posting times - so his employer can compare it to his work hours and "responsibilities."

203 flenser,

Thanks.... I never thought I'd see the day when the only "Good post, Ace" I got was from you.

204 As for libel. If my id was revealed, then all of those terrible, hurtful things said about me over the years (well, last two years--let's not forget the statute of limitations on bringing a suit of defamation) here would be false statements fact, and the basis for a claim of defamation. I'm anonymous, because I don't want to be a public person. So, I'm certain I would be a private plaintiff.

As you know, your anonymity protects you as well from the tort of defamation. Revealing the identities of commentators would of course expose you to considerable liability for allegedly defamatory statements made by you over the years.
----------------

Wah!

Are you done bitching yet, goat-fucker?

205

erg,

 Dude seriously you and CJ over at LGF will get along like two peas in a pod

206 This post?

A-

207 Clearly not choosing the "grow into a pair of big boy briefs", obviously, nor "quit being such an obstreperous prick".  guess that only leaves one other choice...

208

Thanks.... I never thought I'd see the day when the only "Good post, Ace" I got was from you.

I am so sorry! I thought that went without saying by now! Yes, excellent post!

BTW, is erg's IP address anywhere in the NorCal or CentralCal area? I'm ready to stalk.

209 If my id was revealed, then all of those terrible, hurtful things said about me over the years (well, last two years--let's not forget the statute of limitations on bringing a suit of defamation) here would be false statements fact, and the basis for a claim of defamation.

BS.

Utter BS.

Besides, truth is an affirmative defense.

210 See, ace. You still don't get it, do you?

I'll think about it.

211 role as the proximate cause of my injury or death.

Posted by: Minitrue at November 11, 2009 03:45 PM (RdKK

Tell it to Joe the Plumber, snivler.

212 What a complete wanker.

3:45pm:

Ok. I'll leave.

3:52pm:

See, ace. You still don't get it, do you?

I'll think about it.

I do believe that counts as an intentional "nyah, nyah, you can't make me!"

213 Silly erg. You don't understand defamation suits either.

214

O.K., I think I have it. Erg works at a law firm (not going to say he is a lawyer) or the county clerk's office. Clues:

1) Ace tips "Erg works somewhere where people tend to think they're much smarter than they".

2) erg retorts with sufficient legalesse "proximate cause" "statute of limitations" to show he has hung around enough lawyers to pick up the lingo.  

3) Ace tips that have lots of rules and stuff and will enforce if pushed. Most law firms I have dealt with have lots of rules. County courthouse, ditto.

 

215
Drop the hammer, Ace.


Remeber THE NIGHT OF LONG KNIVES at AoS?

216 See, ace. You still don't get it, do you?

I'll think about it.

Ahhh, that's where I've seen erg's behavior before: A little boy trying to distract his idolized bigger brother's attention from the big brother's new girlfriend. That's pretty pathetic.

217 It's a good post ace, very good but some boobage would put it over the top. Now how you work that in to the topic is where your mad bloggin skilz would shine.

218

Additionally, either location (county courthouse or lawfirm - depending on the size) would have enough IP addresses to allow someone to bounce around.

 

219
Erg works somewhere where people tend to think they're much smarter than they are.

Al Davis and the Oakland Raiders?

220 I'm guessing erg works for the State Department.

221

I called the local Planned Parenthood and asked for ERG.   I'm on hold.

222

Hey Minitruepenis!

Before your battle cry became "I'm going to sue you," what was it before that?

-Mommy, Sally (Minitrue's younger sister) keeps looking at me, I'm going to sue her

-Daddy, Mommy gets mad at me when I poop in my diaper (5 yr old Minitrue), I'm going to sue her

-Mommy, The gym teacher makes me dress in front of boys for gym class, I'm going to sue him

-Mommy, my first date was all icky. I going to sue that girl and her parents.

223 Just imagine the number of emails to the complaint office if we just had the name of the business. I'm sure their IT guy could make a simple change.

224 Starbucks?

Nah, got to be either the White House or his mom's basement.

225 Can a rectum be defamed by telling people that it disgorges excrement?

226 Also, while I don't give a damn whether you have readers who would like to cause me real harm, you can see how revealing my identity would result in your role as the proximate cause of my injury or death.

Posted by: Minitrue at November 11, 2009 03:45 PM (RdKK

There's a much better chance of you choking to death on a cock, than one of us taking you out. As appealing as that is.

227 I really don't see what his emails have to do with the 1st amendment.

Locking Hasan up months ago because he sent those emails would have been absolutely unconstitutional, and I'd be the first person to stand up and say that.

Depriving someone of their rights because of what they have said is WRONG. Locking someone up for saying something unpopular is the kind of thing they do in France to those who refuse to knuckle under to the dictates of Political Correctness. It is not what is done in a free society that values the open expression and exchange of ideas, no matter how unpopular.

Being a member of the US military is not a right. Being in a position of trust is not a right. Subjecting someone to scrutiny and careful surveillance on the basis of what they have said is not a violation of their rights, but common sense.

If I say "I want to kill Bob" and the police overhear me, it would be utterly wrong for them to arrest and incarcerate me on the basis of that statement. However it would not be wrong for them to keep a closer eye on me, and perhaps to warn Bob about what I'd said.

Diversity is a leftist nothing-word. It means nothing. America is a melting pot of people from a multitude of heritages, cultures and ethnicities. There is no special effort required to ensure that individuals from these various backgrounds live and work together as this is the inevitable outcome of their mere co-existence.

Tolerance is a good thing. Picking on someone for dressing differently, eating different foods, or practising a different religion is wrong. That being said, tolerance of difference does not and should not require the tolerance of evil. Your post-modernist liars will whine and claim that judging other cultures is wrong (and even impossible) because the notions of morality are culturally specific. This is bullshit. Right and wrong may not be ideas that are universally agreed upon, but they are universal truths. Some things are right, other things are wrong, and which is which can be known by the effects and consequences that ensue from each. In many cases one or more things may be right or wrong at the same time, with the difference being a matter of degree.

Tolerating that which you believe to be evil (not just different) is not a moral virtue, it is moral cowardice.

Many Muslims living in America speak a language other than English. This is a difference that should not be disparaged because it is not wrong in any way. Naturally they should be able to speak English as well if they expect to function in an English speaking country, but that is a pragmatic concern, not a moral one.

Many of these same Muslims are also extreme misogynists. This is a difference that should NOT be tolerated because it is demonstrably EVIL. Muslims who practice misogyny should be publicly humiliated and punished just as non-Muslims who do so are.

This is but one example, there are many others.

At the same time, there may very well be moral lessons that the greater society can learn from Muslims or their sub-cultures. The pursuit of moral improvement goes both ways. In a melting pot society, the virtues and positive values from all contributors are blended together, not melted away.

228 Then there's the irony of someone who has repeatedly made arguments to the effect of "what did we do to inspire this person to kill us" whining about the possibility of his life being in danger because of the things he's said.

Man up, Francis, and either live according to your beliefs or admit you're a lying sack.

229 He might work for the Justice Dept, or Toys R Us.

230 Erg's true name is Ima Goatfucker.

231 Erg's true name is Ima Goatfucker.

Impossible. Goats have standards.

232

I just had a rare thought:

Hasan is a smart(?) psychiatrist.  I predict that he will play the media and the Left (BIRM) like a friggin' Stratavar...Strativo...Stradiva...like a fiddle when it comes time.

"Oh yeah, I heard such horror stories from returning GIs about murdering, raping, cutting of ears in a fashion reminiscent of Jenjiss Khan, that I acquired pre-PTSD.  I'm a victim of the military-industrial complex.  It's Bush's fault!"

I can't wait.

233

Also, while I don't give a damn whether you have readers who would like to cause me real harm, you can see how revealing my identity would result in your role as the proximate cause of my injury or death.

Jeez, drama queen much? If Ace posted your name and work address, and it so happened you worked at the office next door, after four years of reading your incoherent baloney my revenge would be limited to yelling 'Hi, erg!' every time I saw your lame ass. And of course, if anyone asked how I know you, I would just explain that you post comments all day in a blog I like to read. You know, the truth.

234 I've never worked for a company that didn't have the policy and the legal right to read emails sent on company computers or to/from company-related addresses.  Surely the military and the rest of our government employees have the same passage in their handbooks??

235 Rectum?  Damn near killed him.

236 230 Erg's true name is Ima Goatfucker.

Posted by: toby928 at November 11, 2009 04:04 PM (PD1tk)

And isn't that true until it's proven false?

237 Rectum?  Damn near killed him.

Dammit, gus, I was trying to figure out a clever way to use that line, and there you go and just throw it out there.

Well done.

238 Why are folks addressing pure bullshit thrown out to muddy the waters? They aren't serious. The proper response if Fuck off.

239

FUBAR @ 232: Actually, I don't think that is so far fetched from occuring. The media has already begun spunning the Pre-TSD defense. Had a PTSD suffer on Larry King (Still?) Live the night of the shooting spouting off pretty much everything you posted.

Sad.

240

Tolerance is a good thing. Picking on someone for dressing differently, eating different foods, or practising a different religion is wrong. That being said, tolerance of difference does not and should not require the tolerance of evil. Your post-modernist liars will whine and claim that judging other cultures is wrong (and even impossible) because the notions of morality are culturally specific. This is bullshit. Right and wrong may not be ideas that are universally agreed upon, but they are universal truths. Some things are right, other things are wrong, and which is which can be known by the effects and consequences that ensue from each.

Well said - +1.

241 erg needs to hook up with Chinese punching bag guy for a joint venture.

242 238 Why are folks addressing pure bullshit thrown out to muddy the waters? They aren't serious. The proper response if Fuck off.

Posted by: Rodent Liberation Front at November 11, 2009 04:11 PM (dQdrY)

already did.

243

Good post. Have watched A Few Good Men many times, and I feel the analogy you have made is valid. Haven't had time to think it all out, but it seems that the military is the proving ground where we ask our best young people to serve their country and do our hardest, toughest, most dangerous work.

Then we turn it into a dumping ground and make it doubly hard, tough, and dangerous by foisting these absolutely insane notions of political correctness on them.

Go fight our wars, but do it with one hand tied behind your backs. Be very careful you don't tread on an enemy's sensibilities. Think twice about using the instincts you have been trained to use and your common sense. But keep us safe.   

Veteran's Day.

We are absolutely stark raving mad.

244 #227 If I say "I want to kill Bob" and the police overhear me, it would be utterly wrong for them to arrest and incarcerate me on the basis of that statement.

Not only would it not be wrong, if police had reason to believe your statement was a credible threat,  (eg you were standing next to Bob holding a baseball bat), they'd have every legal right plus the moral obligation to arrest you.

Context matters.

Also, note that police don't actually have to arrest anyone to alter the dynamic of a situation.  Merely SHOWING UP (in uniform, and armed) often has a persuasive effect all by itself.

Analogously, in the case of Dr. Hasan, in RETROSPECT, there are probably a dozen different things that *could* have been done to change the outcome, and not all of them involved physically detaining him.

245 Well we've seen the Chicago guys comment that a gun free zone killing should 'of course automatically' let us ban guns from the rest of America.

Why in the living Hell is an Army base a gun free zone? Who in the fuck dreamt that up, and how soon can we change it.

I say start a drumbeat that every military person is required at all times to be armed. On base, off base, and on airplanes.

The only exception would be in a bar, where they can observe the same rules that most states have regarding drinking and carrying. (Texas is mixed, I can carry in most restaurants, but not in a bar bar which is only for drinking)

It's just criminal that a superior officer did this to fellow army members, and it is double criminal that they weren't all armed and ready to face the enemy at every moment of the day.

LET THE ARMED FORCES BE ARMED!!!

246

ace,

imagine everyone on the thread, yelling with bloodlust, signaling thumbs down

dispatch the troll

247 So the coward gets 'advice' from a spiritual leader who advocates killing Americans. 

Just how far would an Irishman get if he was in contact with a Pope who advocated killing Americans?

248 Oh, and good post Ace.

Arm the Military.

249 Finish him!!

250 249 Finish him!!

Posted by: I've always wanted to say that at November 11, 2009 04:21 PM (PD1tk)

Flawless victory!

251 Also, while I don't give a damn whether you have readers who would like to cause me real harm, you can see how revealing my identity would result in your role as the proximate cause of my injury or death.

Posted by: Minitrue at November 11, 2009 03:45 PM (RdKK

Don't be silly.  I am sure an asshole of your caliber makes far worse enemies in meatspace than in the blogosphere.  No doubt there are dozens, if not hundreds, of people you see every day who are chomping at the bit for their chance to cause you injury or death.  No one here rates you above a stubborn dingleberry for action-worthiness.

252 As to Ace's part of the post: Maybe it's a good thing Larry Summers is in the current administration. He seems to have experience in this area.

253 Also, while I don't give a damn whether you have readers who would like to cause me real harm, you can see how revealing my identity would result in your role as the proximate cause of my injury or death.

Posted by: Minitrue at November 11, 2009 03:45 PM (RdKK

Stop trying to flatter yourself about someone spending any time trying to cause you real harm, injury or death.  No one gives a shit about you.  Understand? No one! Now go curl up in your fecal position and stick your thumb back in your mouth.

254 "Look at Sheriff Araphio."

Look to Sheriff Joe Arpaio of Maricopa County, AZ.

255 But I have put up with this cocksucker now for four years and I've fucking had it.

Can't you ban an entire range of IP addresses? Seems to me that would take care of the little fruit bat diddler.

256 Hasan tortured our recovering enlisted men and women while they were at home being treated medically and psychologically to recover from the fatiguing duress of battle trauma.

Those whom Hasan treated with torture as his healing technique need to sue him for abusing them with his own twisted guilt. Hasan's superiors are protecting him. The only way for Hasan to be met with justice is for his patients to charge him with mental torture that was NOT approved medical treatment. And if the military brass attempt to squash the law suit, then include the superiors in the suit.

257 I wonder if they'll have a douche-troll when they deal with this on the next ripped-from-the headlines episode of Law & Order?

258 It's funny how for years we've been debating whether torture should be used in the case of a nuke about to go off and vaporize an American city. We now have our answer: the city gets vaporized. Because no one will even dare conduct a simple investigation of an obvious Muslim terrorist, never mind torture him. The System's commitment to diversity is infinitely more important than your lives.

259 DIVERSITY KILLS

260

I wonder if they'll have a douche-troll when they deal with this on the next ripped-from-the headlines episode of Law & Order?

If its Law & Order, instead of a Muslim, it will be a white supremecist, they will bring charges against a "radical, hate spewing" blogger for inciting the action and all the military officials will run around claiming "we couldn't stop this Aryan from looking at these evil right wing blog, cause of his first amendment rights" and the bottom line will be we need an Internet Czar and Internet Diversity Act.

261

"YOU CAN'T HANDLE THE POLITICALLY CORRECT COVER-UP!!! SO I'D APPRECIATE IT IF YOU'D JUST THANK ME AND WENT ON YOUR COCK SMOKING DOUCHE TOOL WAY!!!"

 

To coin a phrase....

262 As soon as the FBI/DHS/POTUS/Military claimed that Hasan's sabotaging research had been deemed as sanctioned, the obvious point was made. Any terrorist and every criminal can claim that their planning, exercising and execution of crime is merely "research" to determine the most effective means of accomplishing and organizing the ultimate crime; the destruction of the American Constitutional Republic, annihilating rule of law.

The Ivy League already bestows degrees of higher education for an entire social class bankrupting our nation as they perform grand theft, larceny and extortion from the national treasury, effectively bankrupting into slavery every taxpaying citizen alive and yet to be born.

So far as Ft. Hood goes, the Marxist ruling class can spare a few peon lives here and there in order to coerce everyone into submission.

As with Ft. Hood, so with you.

263 I never thought I'd see the day when the only "Good post, Ace" I got was from you.

Posted by: ace at November 11, 2009 03:49 PM (jlvw3)

 

It's always easy for commenters to only sound off on what they disagree with. I know I slip into that habit myself sometimes. But none of us would be here if we really disagreed with what the bloggers put up.

Besides, it was a damn good post.

264 Mallamutt

We have a Cyber Security Chief/Czar. And the US forfeited supervision of the internet to the UN specifically because the UN is not bound by US laws or the Constitution and is free to abuse authority and trace our identities now.

265 Ace, it IS a good post.

266 Chief Executive Obama is committing impeachable offenses as he twists what our Constitutional Rights are into what they are not.

When he was a visiting Marxist lecturer on the Constitution, his specialty was sabotage. Hasan was chosen and is yet Obama's ticket to infinite power OR ELSE IMPEACHMENT.

267

White supremacist types get chaptered out of the Army all the time, assuming they even survive multiple screenings and background digs in the training pipeline.

Far safer to be an America-hating Muslim.

I don't want to think how hard it would have been to get rid of one should he have been a problem. I had to jump through enough legal hoops to get rid of the potheads.

268

WaPo and CNN caught in jihadi lies. The ghost of Maureen Dowd lives lies on.

269 Heh.  Brass at Walter Reed were thinking Hasan was psychotic from Spring 2008.  Details on NPR; see The Corner for a summary,

270 ";">Investigators would have been "crucified" over First Amendment rights if they had launched a full-scale probe into e-mails Fort Hood massacre suspect Army Maj. Nidal Malik Hasan allegedly sent to a radical imam, ..."

     Can this be turned around, even now?  Maybe so.  Some heads will need to roll, and the selection process for rolling them will be kind of unfair, BUT ...
     There needs to be a big ol' Board of Inquiry, and every superior officer this jihadi scumbag ever had needs to be subpoenaed, and needs to be confronted, on record, with the quarterly evaluations or fitness reports or any other documents ever made, where they said this guy was okay and could continue to serve. 
      Is it too much to hope for that no one individual will "go Nicholson" on the stand?  Maybe so, but if you don't ask for nothing you don't get nothing.  And even if none of them crack, once all of their lame rationales are assembled In One Place, and can be looked at, then forever afterward they WILL be looking at that P.C. bullshit, and it ain't gonna stand up to inspection.  Daylight is still be best disinfectant, iznit?

271 Seeing it from the viewpoint of all the superior officers that ever signed off on this asshole's fitness to serve, they did exactly what you'd expect them to do.  When it came to blackballing Major Jihad-head, they were damned if they did, and damned if they didn't, so they took the path of least resistance.
     And yeah, coming along After The Fact and changing their dilemma is, like I said above, "kind of unfair," because now they're doubly damned.  But like the guy said "Military justice is to Justice what military music is to Music."  The real function there is good order and discipline; the rest is just window dressing and always has been.  Future cadres of officers would gain a MUCH MORE RATIONAL set of guidelines by which to evaluate their subordinates, and this politically correct horseshit really (I hope) would be laid to rest. 

272 Heh.  Brass at Walter Reed were thinking Hasan was psychotic from Spring 2008.  Details on NPR; see The Corner for a summary,

Intentional or no, it looks like they're helping to set up an insanity defense. Hasan's lawyer will be pleased.

273 On a blog called The United States of Earth.com there is a good but scary Obama game about the 2012 election.

274 #244

Of course context matters, and had I described a context in which I'm holding a bludgeon above Bob's head then the police would be right to arrest me, but not on the basis of what I said all by itself.

On the other hand, if I were sitting in a coffee shop and claimed to want to kill Bob, who was no where to be seen, then arresting me would be a violation of my rights because there was no clear an present danger of my doing so.

Hasan should have been investigated on the basis of his postings and quite probably removed from a position of trust within the Army.  Like I said before, being in the army is not a RIGHT.  Being in a position of trust is not a

275

He does, however, work for the sort of place that has lots of little rules and stuff and they will enforce them if pushed hard enough.

I know! It's whatever the opposite of the National Basketball Association is.

276 Koopy kwoting the article @ 15:
"Chicago Mayor Richard Daley pointed to America's "love" affair with guns as the driving factor behind last week's shooting at Fort Hood"

Hey Mayor Dick?
   What's the fucking MURDER RATE in YOUR city, where the people just about CAN'T GET GUNS, legally, versus my city (in Virginia) where we can?
   I can't spell "hereditary dynastic kleptocrat" so ahmina just call you a stupid bitch, if that's okay.

277 So, the top dogs are Walter Reed were agonizing about Hasan's possible psychosis in '08 and '09 -- but in May, just before he was transferred to Fort Hood:

"In yet another twist of irony, in a case already replete with it, Maj. Nidal Hasan, 39, the alleged gunman in the November 5th Fort Hood shootings, served as the co-chair of a panel which examined “Medical Issues for Psychiatrists in Disasters” at the American Psychiatric Association’s (APA) annual conference held this past May in
San Francisco.

Among the other experts on the panel was Col. Elspeth Ritchie, M.D., M.P.H., a Harvard-trained clinician who is widely referred to as the “Army’s top psychiatrist”...

Dr. Hasan’s role as co-chair of the panel would indicate that he was better known professionally, and more highly regarded in his field of disaster psychiatry, than has been previously reported."

That's from a Nov. 7 blog by a Bill Lichtenstein at Huffington Post.

278 Rocks @ 16 "I smell the mother of all lawsuits over this."

Oh if only that were true, but it ain't.  They're pretty much tort-proof.
  That's also why I was babbling about a "Board of Inquiry," above, and not a "Court Martial."  Just about the worst these craven whitewashers can expect is some severe embarassment, but even that's still more than they've been getting up until now.
    Will it be enough to change future behavior?  I think it's worth finding out.

279 Mr.Kwong @17 "We have some real idiots in positions of power these days, and it seems to afflict the military as well. "

This ain't new.  I was in Jimmy Carter and Admiral Zumwalt's Navy, in the late 1970s.  There was an unbelievable level of "affirmative evaluation" going on back then.  At the time, it was about insulating racial minorities from criticism, now it's about religious minorities.  Different symptoms, same cancer. 

280 Bulwark @43 ";">It's always been well known it is the sergeants that make the army work, I imagine if an E-5 had received this information he would have known what the right  course of action should be come hell or high water."

Yeah maybe but guess what?  E-5s don't get to write the fitness reports on O-4s.

runningrn @48 ";">The problem was that these soldiers were in a gun free zone."

Oh come now!  Surely it's just a COiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiINCIDENCE that all of these massacres take place in gun free zones.  Let's not get carried away here!

281 stuiec @60, beating me to the punch by about 210 posts:
";">Seems to me that an appropriate response at this point is to name the investigators who failed to pursue the matter, drive them out of their jobs and crucify them in the arena of public opinion. "

Yeah, that's the thing all right.  Name not just them but also the affirmative evaluating superior officers who didn't drop the trapdoor under this Islamist fuckwad, throughout his whole career.
  Yeah I get that they were virtually coerced into not doing so.  Bummer about that.  But it's time to change the rules.  Way long past time, really.

282 It's sick and getting sicker.

283 Unknown Jane @65 "As for diversity in the military -- there's always been plenty of diversity in the military, at least as long as I've known it. "

Yeah, well, it's been around for way way longer than that, and no it WASN'T always like it is now.  Even flat-out Jim Crow racial segregation didn't get ended until some time in the WWII, when Ike finally got quite rightly sick of it and fixed it.  Other forms of discrimination have persisted since then or didn't get stamped out until later.  It's a work in progress ans always has been.
  What we (rightly) think of as just plain egalitarian American fairness has had a long hard row to hoe, even in U.S. military history, and it's not so good to pretend otherwise.  Yeah, hideous mistakes have been made along the way, and this Nidal asshole is one of them.  And fixing them is always painful and involves, at the individual level, some severe injustices, because you can NEVER change the rules in mid-game without inflicting some injustices. 
   But (a) it's ALWAYS mid-game, and (b) right now some of the rules URGENTLY need changing.

284 Barry Husain @ 106 " ;">He IS NOT a great orator and if you think so you got some koolade crystals in your value-rite. "

Here's a test. 
Pick two pols whose policy positions are (very roughly) equally detestable.
Or lacking that, take Bill Clinton and Barry Obama.
Okay, wait, that's too unfair, even for me, substitute Shrillary for Bill.
Get a YouTube video of one speech from each.
Watch five solid minutes of one, then five solid minutes of the other.  Liberal doses of Val-U-Rite are recommended, for anaesthesia, but do watch the full five minutes, each time.
Then come back and try to say with a straight face that Oblowme is a great orator.
It can't be done.  Even Cackly McHag could blow him off the stage in a one-on-one speechifying contest.

285 unpronounceable @147 "OT:  http://tinyurl.com/yly2zct
Read this, Morons.  And the thread which follows.  "

DAMN IT!
I have to be at work in half an hour, and now I've got a woody that WON'T GO AWAY!  I can't even get in the car with THIS going on.  Oh dear oh dear oh dear.

286 I suppose if Hassan The Assassain's emails are Constitutionally protected free speech, then my blog posts asking a couple of us to firebomb some ACORN offices is Constitutionally protected free speech too.

Oh wait, that won't be the case, since I am a WASP pro-security, registered Republican. Obviously this means I am raaaacist and don't deserve the same consideration as a jihad-contemplating "diversity" slot candidate. So I can exxpect the FBI to kick in the door tomorrow AM.

Can we hurry up to the 2012 election already, before those idiots in DC allow the jihadis a chance to blast a city of the US map?
 

287 Curm @208 ";">I am so sorry! I thought that went without saying by now! Yes, excellent post!"

WHAT HE SAID!

288

Ok Tom's bro, but please tell me where putting pc rules in place has helped make diversity better in the military?  If anything, it's made things a lot worse, imho.  I'm kinda getting lost in what you're trying to argue here -- are you saying we need to work for more diversity, or are you saying there comes a time when the diversity meme gets pushed too far, or are you saying the military isn't going about it in the right way, or what?

Personally, I think identity politics or any of that needs to be stomped out -- you are not supposed to have an identity beyond your unit, MOS, corps, etc. (or at least you aren't supposed to be allowed to carry your "identity" on your sleeve -- it's not supposed to matter).

No special favors for anybody.  If there's been a problem, it's been that.  As an officer and a Muslim, this guy was untouchable, and it got people killed -- as well as casting a stain on people of the same faith who might be serving loyally (and there's nothing for it -- because of this creep they'll have to be scrutinized just to be on the safe side).

289 He was a shitbag piece of shit muslim nutjob.  How fucking hard is this to understand?

290

Maybe I am something special, because I have known for a few years that the Islamic ratbags communicate in code on the internet.

Who made the final decision on Hassan's communications with a radical imam ?

Did the decision maker have a knowledge of Islam?

I could think of no better form of writing to include hiddem meanings than requests for spirtual guidance. Especially considering that at one time Hassan and the Imam attended the same mosque.

But of course, the decisionmaker would not have known about Hassan's connection to the Imam, nor of his already, for some, extreme views.

Because he stopped the enquiry.  If I was a conspiracy theorist I would want to know if the decision maker was a Muslim and if so what mosques they attended.

291

On a blog called The United States of Earth.com there is a good but scary Obama game about the 2012 election.

80soft will probably roll out their version of President Forever - 2012 in a year. Their prior versions of the game were pretty good (had elections for President scenerios for 1980, 1998, 2000, 2004 and 200. They are also releasing a 2010 congressional election game in time for Christmas. Great game for the hard core political campaign manager wanna be.

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It hasn't.  I'm not seeing how you think I'm saying that, either.

"I'm kinda getting lost in what you're trying to argue here -- are you saying we need to work for more diversity,"

Actually I think all of the biggest and most important diversity hurdles are in the past.  It's a fairly worthwhile tertiary goal, and shouldn't be abandoned, but it's WAY less important than ordinary order and discipline.  Also even though I'm on record as being willing to betray "fairness" at the individual level, diversity is also less important than fairness. 

" or are you saying there comes a time when the diversity meme gets pushed too far,"

We're living in those times now.  We've lived in them before.  Results have sucked, and are now continuing to suck. 

" or are you saying the military isn't going about it in the right way, or what?"

The military has the hardest job in the world, and that job just gets harder when overly ambitious "diversity" goals get pushed onto it from the outside, by ill-informed lifelong civilians, most of whom are at heart antimilitary hippy airheads, like the clowntards currently running the Executive and Legislative branches of the federal government.  They haven't learned from the history of this, because they have faced no consequences in their professional lives resulting from their ignorant mismanagement of our complex military system, for which they have little understanding or empathy.   So yeah, there's a problem, but no, it doesn't originate from within the military.

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A Few Hood Men is a dumb movie. You can transfer marines. Maybe not officers who have miniltary-paid for medical educations but in general privates and trainees are seriously fair game for being weeded out. Blanket parties are not policy but probably something some asshole corporal or even angry bunk mates would come up with. Not allowing medical attention is shear insanity.

A rogue colonel shouting "You can't handle the truth" in the middle of a court martial would end as quick as it began with an abrupt and not very nice " You shut your fucking mouth right now colonel!" followed by "get him out of here and get him to compose himself befitting this inquiry NOW. Five minutes."  A prosecuting jag needing to ask questions to get hostile testimony when a pretty good record exists  that clearly shows that something somewhere in the training program is wrong and some asshole exists is in charge of it who has not properly covered his ass and noone else taking the blame woul be plenty get a Queeq removed or transfered or issued a "helper" to keep him out of trouble.

It's a stupid movie designed to shit all over the Marines corps made by people who probably think that 'Gung Ho' means 'blindly whore fucking kill-krazy anytime Joker and his buddies see an American  flag and hear Door's music".

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