Time Magazine Successfully Notices, Identifies Elephant in the Room

I'm so proud of Time. Next we can move on shapes and colors! Like Big Boys and Growing Girls!

Golly Gee Willickers -- do you think maybe it's possible that Hasan's obvious terrorist sympathies were overlooked because he's a Muslim and there are special rules protecting Muslims? And that you could get your career ended in a hurry for asking the sort of questions you'd ask of any non-Muslim?

As everyone here keeps saying: If a white Christian reader of this blog was in the military and began writing letters to White Supremacist groups and openly stating his first loyalty was to "his race" with his country and constitution placing a distant second and third, it seems rather likely that investigations, and dishonorable discharges, would ensue.

So why not this guy?

Because the Muslim lobby screams bloody murder and goes on lawsuit jihads whenever a correligionist gets so much as three seconds of Stink Eye from anyone.

And this is killing people. People are being murdered due to hurt feelings being elevated above human life.

As it was long contended it would.

Army officials strongly deny any suggestion that Hasan's religion resulted in his being given special treatment. But one officer who attended the Pentagon's medical school with Hasan disagrees. "He was very vocal about being a Muslim first and holding Sharia law above the Constitution," this officer recalled. When fellow students asked, "How can you be an officer and hold to the Constitution?," the officer said, Hasan would "get visibly upset sweaty and nervous and had no good answers." This medical doctor would only speak anonymously because his commanders have ordered him not to talk about Hasan, he said.

This officer said he was so surprised when Hasan gave a talk about "the war on terror being a war on Islam" that he asked the lieutenant colonel running the course what Hasan's presentation had to do with health care. "I raised my hand and asked, `Why are you letting this go on this has nothing to do with environmental health.' The course director said, `I'm just going to let him go.'" The topic of Hasan's presentation, the officer says, had been approved in advance by the lieutenant colonel.

The officer says he and another colleague complained to staff at the Uniformed University of the Health Sciences in Bethesda, Maryland, but got nowhere. "It was a systemic problem the same thing was happening at Walter Reed," the Army Medical Center several miles away, where Hasan was working as a psychiatrist. (The Washington Post reported Tuesday that Hasan gave a similar presentation at Walter Reed in which he said Muslims should be released as conscientious objectors rather than being force into combat against fellow Muslims.) But "political correctness" inside the military, the officer asserts, insulated Hasan. "People are afraid to come forward and challenge somebody's ideology," he says, "because they're afraid of getting an equal-opportunity complaint that can end careers."

A retired four-star officer says that, based on the evidence gleaned so far, it was Hasan's career that should have been cut short. "They could have given him a dishonorable discharge and said what he's doing works against good order and discipline," said the general, who also requested anonymity. But rather than any preferential treatment given to Hasan because of his religion, "My guess is he fell through the cracks," the general said.

And my guess that is General McCaffrey speaking, who emailed Michael Yon making the same basic point.

This investigation will go nowhere, because no one will ever admit they refrained from acting out of fear they would be punished and their careers terminated for doing so. In other words, the government has created a perfectly self-sustaining system of willful ignorance: They will cashier people who lodge complaints about people about to "Go Muslim," but, on the other hand, those people, having failed to take the necessary steps to protect human life, in order to protect their careers, will never have the guts to admit they did so, and will blame their inaction on other factors.

Which is just what the government wants: It wants these things swept under the carpet and deliberately overlooked, and it furthermore wants its very policy of sweeping these things under the carpet and deliberately overlooking them to itself be swept under the carpet and deliberately overlooked.

That's the way it perpetuates this scandalous indifference to security and human life: It has created such a perverse system of rewards and penalties that no one can publicly admit to being so monstrous and callous as to act according to that system of rewards and penalties. A system so corrupt that no one can admit to acquiescing to it.

Who can possibly come forward and declare: "Yes, I chose to allow a risk of human life to proceed undisturbed because I valued my own career more than life or my country's security"? No one can say that. The government has a system of penalties for whistle-blowers, but those dissuaded from whistle-blowing can never admit to being cowardly enough to have refrained from action due to government threat.

The system will remain in place, because no one dares admit the very existence of The System at all. The System requires denial of The System. In fact, that's rule one of The System.

And so we see here, everyone who could have acted to stop Hasan's murderous rampage quickly ascribes their behavior to any other motive -- well, we just need mental health professionals in the Army; even -- dare I say especially? -- mental health professionals who are themselves dangerous lunatics, because hey, personal experience and all -- rather than admitting to following the covert, cowardly policy the government actually favors and enforces. Secretly.

Posted by: Ace at 03:27 PM



Comments

1 They must be smartre than me- it took them way more words than I used to say, "It's terrorism."

Posted by: Truman North at November 10, 2009 03:29 PM (e8YaH)

2 Grief is giving way to anger

Posted by: Mjim at November 10, 2009 03:30 PM (V8B//)

3 Lets not rush into things. If you have read Time recently, shapes and colors may be above their paygrade.

Posted by: Mallamutt at November 10, 2009 03:33 PM (V9SYy)

4 Serious question: Can you join the Army if you belong to a white supremacist group? If they find out you were in the KKK or the Aryan Nation, would it go bad for you?

Posted by: joncelli at November 10, 2009 03:35 PM (RD7QR)

5 A crack that big wouldn't fit in the Rift Valley! Who's kidding whom?

Posted by: dfbaskwill at November 10, 2009 03:35 PM (7Gs5S)

6 Interesting that even a retired four-star stating the obvious wishes to remain anonymous. The PC rot goes deep.

Posted by: butch at November 10, 2009 03:36 PM (myCYQ)

7 Time for the press to shift gears - of course he was a dangerous Islamist, but it's all the Bush Administration's fault he was in uniform in the first place.

Posted by: mrkwong at November 10, 2009 03:36 PM (G8Eo0)

8 There is no way that the powers that be are going to cop to this. It's obvious that he was given special treatment precisely because he was a Muslim. If they spin this right, employing the reverse Alinsky method, no one looses their jobs, the government doesn't have to pay millions in awards to the casualties and they get to put a smiley face on Muslims in the military for all of our wonderful Arab allies in the ME.

Posted by: Hussein the Plumber at November 10, 2009 03:36 PM (RkRxq)

9 Muslims in the US military have FAR MORE leeway in their muslimness (not even counting that they are allowed to spout totally treasonous bile and associate with enemies of the US without any worry of court-martial, demotion, or even any demerits of anysort) than they would haveas muslims in the Turkish military. Let them suck on that fact.
The West has gone so far over the edge that it's just beyond words.

Posted by: progressoverpeace at November 10, 2009 03:36 PM (A46hP)

10 <i>what he's doing works against good order and discipline," said the general</i>Right, because for one thing all military know that they need to go around their superiors and complain to the right-leaning media if their warnings are to be taken seriously.

Posted by: PJ at November 10, 2009 03:37 PM (FG8qn)

11 I've been calling Feinstein (my Senator) everyday since this happened. She's the head of Senate Intelligence (don't go there, at least it's not Babs). Been telling her staff why she hasn't declared hearings into the background of Hasan and the pitiful surveillance of the FBI et al.

Posted by: David in San Diego at November 10, 2009 03:38 PM (GF+6V)

12 Muslim first and holding Sharia law above the Constitution

Seriously, if they can bounce gays out, why can't they bounce out people who lie when they vowed to uphold and defend the Constitution?

Posted by: HeatherRadish at November 10, 2009 03:38 PM (NtiET)

13 President Obama blames "stress" and Mayor Daley blames "guns". Clearly the Army should be a stress-free environment with no guns around. I recommend intensive training in pillow-fights and warm hugs for the Afghan theatre.

Posted by: Zimriel at November 10, 2009 03:38 PM (x5Hut)

14 Look this is OT and I'm sorry for that but this is kind of important.

This is an excellent point of reference for how jobs created or saved are counted.

The operative paragraph is the second where Obama wrenches his arm patting himself on the back for (for lack of a better term) probably the most overt, undisguised lie he has told thus far.

The megalomaniacal narcissistic self absorbed socialist extremist is not even trying anymore!

Via Israel Matzav blog.

Posted by: Hussein the Plumber at November 10, 2009 03:40 PM (RkRxq)

15 US and Brit soldiers have been murdered by "trustworthy" muslims for years now. The only difference this time is location.

Posted by: Johnathan E. at November 10, 2009 03:40 PM (dQdrY)

16 Fbi raiding mosque Hasan attended as we speak. Meanwhile, imam and mosque leaders attending the memorial. Gloating, I suspect."Outrageous" said momma.via weasle zippers. (go momma, go.)
Posted by: Derak

Posted by: willow at November 10, 2009 03:42 PM (GkYyh)

17 I would comment intelligently, but I'm suffering from Sears Traumatic Syndrome, due to the Sears ad that shows my old fridge. It cost so much to repair it twice, that I'm about to start drawing ASCII art of guns in the comment box.

Posted by: Mama AJ at November 10, 2009 03:42 PM (Be4xl)

18 Time, will,undoubtly, in the next 2 or 3 weeks, do a follow-up piece on the impact of the Fort Hood shooting on Muslims in America. It will set out story after story of how everyday Muslims feel threatened, scared and worried about their life in America. They will recant horrible stories of these poor Muslims getting dirty looks, scowls and a general feeling of unease and how all of this undermines the mosiac of America. Each Muslim will have a quote where they say they oppose the type of violence that happened at Fort Hood and how it is contrary to the teachings of Islam.
Time will not ask what these Muslims have done to combat the extermist in their religion. Time will not write about efforts being made to combat Islamic extermism. Time will not write about how some states (Iran) are supporting and funding extermist groups. Why - because it does not fit the narrative. By them, the narrative will be that Hasan was an isolated kook, that we must protect those who practice Islam from any feeling of discomfort and that Islam is a religion of peace and love.
Nor will Time examine the culture and rules that prevent agencies like the FBI or the military from taking affirmative action to prevent a Hasan from actually committing the acts of violence he did. Because that would require a critical analysis of the impacts of the PC world others have created.
Time has become nothing more than a waste of Time.

Posted by: Mallamutt at November 10, 2009 03:42 PM (V9SYy)

19 "My guess is he fell through the cracks," the general said.

Bullshit.

This is a deliberate policy choice.

And no, it's not Obama's fault. The type of PC started awhile back (Tailhook?) and kept gong right through the administration of George "Islam is a religion of peace" Bush.

Posted by: DrewM. at November 10, 2009 03:43 PM (FCWQb)

20 Good thing this country has a Diversity Czar.

Posted by: Lemmiwinks at November 10, 2009 03:44 PM (IqfKc)

21 Someone should send the memo to CAIR that what would really help improve American-Islamic relations is if Islamic fanatics stopped murdering Americans.

Posted by: stuiec at November 10, 2009 03:44 PM (7AOgy)

22
The prize for digging up the most imaginative excuse for Hasan's actions goes to ABC News. The network speculated he may have suffered from "second-hand trauma" "like second-hand smoke" from counseling soldiers with post traumatic stress disorder.
You see, Hasan had never actually been deployed, never seen combat, as first assumed. So the initial spin that he suffered PTSD no longer worked. Unless he suffered combat stress by proxy. So now it's "second-hand trauma." Anything but jihad.

Posted by: sickinmass at November 10, 2009 03:47 PM (rYWEB)

23 But rather than any preferential treatment given to Hasan because of his religion, "My guess is he fell through the cracks," the general said.
Apparently, a Goddam freight train could fall through those cracks.

Posted by: maddogg at November 10, 2009 03:48 PM (OlN4e)

24 21
Someone should send the memo to CAIR that what would really help
improve American-Islamic relations is if Islamic fanatics stopped
murdering Americans.

Good point, maybe nobody has told them yet.

Posted by: Lemmiwinks at November 10, 2009 03:49 PM (IqfKc)

25 But but but...the backlash! What about the backlash! Doesn't Time care about the backlash?

Posted by: joeindc44 at November 10, 2009 03:50 PM (QxSug)

26 I would say the backlash is long overdue.

Posted by: maddogg at November 10, 2009 03:51 PM (OlN4e)

27 That's some pure stuff, Ace.

Posted by: oblig. at November 10, 2009 03:51 PM (g85ec)

28 At some point, if we're to survive, we'll have to treat being a muslim as similar to being in the KKK or the nazi party. We won't make any propaganda points in the muslim world for this but we'll be safer.

Posted by: joncelli at November 10, 2009 03:52 PM (RD7QR)

29 During WWII, how many American soldiers shot up bases because they were about to be sent to Europe to kill their fellow Christians?

And HeatherRadish brings up a good point (Chicagoboyz mentioned it yesterday). How quickly would this murdering scumbag have been bounced out of the military if his only crime was being gay? So sucking cock is beyond the pale, but espousing the violent overthrow of America is just peachy?

Posted by: NJconservative at November 10, 2009 03:53 PM (/Ywwg)

30
When the Muslims take over the government, the PC crowd will be the first to say, "Wow, We didn't see THAT coming? Why didn't we connect the dots?" Imbeciles getting Americans slaughtered.

Posted by: sickinmass at November 10, 2009 03:53 PM (rYWEB)

31 Maybe the sell-out general means the huge fucking cracks in the foundation of our society.

Posted by: Johnathan E. at November 10, 2009 03:54 PM (dQdrY)

32
Are you ready yet to hit the RESET button in the voting booth a year from now? Every nation is going to make mistakes...we made one, now let's fix it. 2010!

Posted by: sickinmass at November 10, 2009 03:55 PM (rYWEB)

33 Well I guess this sort of thing will continue until they kill enough of our friends, families, and countrymen.

Posted by: Wilhelm Klink at November 10, 2009 03:55 PM (QOE7k)

34 As in all disasters, there are multiple causal factors (please refer to Reason's Swiss cheese theory for further details). Here are a few:

1. The military, especially some in the higher ranks, long ago lost the ability to stand and fall on its sword if necessary to oppose Congressional witchhunts in cases where the discipline that needed to be met out was not of the castrating variety so desired by politicians. While Congress should and does have the power to mold the military into what it wishes it to be, the military should feel no compunction about showing why such changes would be bad.

2. The military has become infected with civilian leadership theory that is repeated like it came from Mao's Little Red Book. "Diversity is our strength". Okay--maybe it is. How? If you can't show me how the boot hit the ground on that statement, you are just full of it.

3. Nobody stands up to the bullies. Congressional Republicans? Right. GOP political establishment? Ditto. Thus, any military man who fought the good fight would lose, and knows he would lose--and has lost (Stan Arthur). This needs to change.

Look, I'm just going to lay it on the line. Conservatives need to get it out of their heads that there is a magic genius who is going to come along and save them via some great sacrificial act. It's not going to happen. They just destroyed Carrie Prejean, they destroyed Sarah Palin, who knows who else they have destroyed or plan on destroying, they block Rush Limbaugh from pursuing business deals--and all anybody of prominence on our side thinks of doing when these things happen is figure out the future political usefulness (or harm) to the conservative cause of that person and then move on from there. Nuts to that.

I mean, I understand the calculations. Maybe Prejean was a self-serving harpy in the making--I don't know. Maybe Sarah Palin really did reach the top limit of her potential as Governor. I don't know (jury is still out). Maybe Rush Limbaugh would have been a bad business decision for the NFL, in a way that a lower profile Soros is not. Beats me.

Because what I do know is that lives and careers get wrecked and destroyed and all we do is get goddamned concerned about how the Republican party can take back the House. Well, nuts to that. There is not going to be anybody putting himself on the cross for your benefit, so maybe you--and the people I'm addressing know exactly who and what I am talking about--maybe you of the conservative blogosphere should decide to all hang together, because some have already been hung separately, and I am nothing but damned pissed and tired about it. Unite now, today, this minute, this hour, because the good will was exhausted a long time ago, and you are not going to have a right to ask what you ask. I think any conservative of talent, absent major changes, is a moron to support this cause, for it will not support him if he gets wounded.

Posted by: Horatius at November 10, 2009 03:56 PM (O0Qzc)

35 My ex-USAF uncle (Lt.Col-ret.) likes to refer to the "reindeer games" the higher-ups play in the service.Seems awfully fitting right now.

Posted by: Joanna at November 10, 2009 03:56 PM (gJQTg)

36 mental health professionals who are themselves floridly schizophrenic lunatics
I've heard no evidence that he was suffering from schizophrenia or anything like that.

I know it's not your intention, ace, but saying this is making excuses for him which I don't think he deserves. I'm guessing that he chose to follow radical Islam for the same reason most terrorists do; because they like they sadistic pleasure of fancying themselves to be God's righteous warriors slaughtering the enemy. They aren't driven there in terror like a schizophrenic fleeing from delusions; they go there because they find evil pleasure in it.

Posted by: sandy burger at November 10, 2009 03:56 PM (MT+0i)

37 And now for something completely different....A U.S. Marine squad was marching north of Fallujah when they came upon an Iraqi insurgent, badly injured and unconscious. On the opposite side of the road was an American Marine in a similar but less serious state. The Marine was conscious and alert and as first aid was given to both men, the squad leader asked the injured Marine what had happened.
The Marine reported, "I was heavily armed and moving north along the highway here, and coming south was a heavily armed insurgent. We saw each other and both took cover in the ditches along the road. I yelled to him that Saddam Hussein was a miserable, lowlife scumbag who got what he deserved, and he yelled back that Ted Kennedy is a fat, good-for-nothing, left wing liberal drunk who doesn't know how to drive, and that Obama is an idiot. So I said that Osama Bin Laden dresses and acts like a frigid, mean-spirited lesbian. He retaliated by yelling, "Oh yeah? Well, so does Nancy Pelosi!""And, there we were, in the middle of the road, shaking hands, when a truck hit us."

Posted by: Truman North at November 10, 2009 03:56 PM (e8YaH)

38 30 When the Muslims take over the government, the PC crowd will be the first to say, "Wow, We didn't see THAT coming? Why didn't we connect the dots?" Imbeciles getting Americans slaughtered.
Posted by: sickinmass at November 10, 2009 03:53 PM (rYWEB)
Never happen. Because when the Muslims take over, the PC crowd will be the first ones up against the wall: their new Islamic overlords will have them dead before they can utter a word of protest or regret.

Posted by: stuiec at November 10, 2009 03:57 PM (7AOgy)

39 A blast from the past (it seems like years ago, even though it was only a couple of months):
President Obama praised the contributions of Muslim Americans during the White House's celebration of Ramadan this week.

From ABC News' Jake Tapper

During the White Houses celebration of the Muslim holiday of Ramadan this evening, President Obama highlighted the contributions of Muslim Americans, talking about how much the Muslim community has enriched American culture in ways both large and small.

The contributions of Muslims to the United States are too long to catalogue because Muslims are so interwoven into the fabric of our communities and our country, the President said to begin the nights iftar or fast-breaking dinner in the State Dining Room.
At some point, either these blatant lies are going to have to be met, head on, or the abyss awaits us. Muslims were pretty much non-existent in America (and the black muslims were not even considered real muslims until the arab/persian/muslim world figured out how valuable they were) until just the past few decades. "Contributions ... too long to catalogue ..." *shaking head in utter disbelief*

Posted by: progressoverpeace at November 10, 2009 03:57 PM (A46hP)

40
The rot at the top of the fish head is barack hussein obama. They've infiltrated all the way to CiC.

Posted by: Kyle Canyon at November 10, 2009 03:57 PM (Oxen1)

41 So you think when a muslim shouts allahu ackbar and begins to shoot down the kuffar that it might be terrorism? Time magazine is so racist.

Posted by: Bin Laden at November 10, 2009 03:57 PM (kKP5O)

42 Mayor Daley blames "guns".
His solution is to:
A) cry
B) Offer everyone $200 to turn in their guns, no questions asked. Again.
If the kook had ran around with a knife stabbing people, Daley would:
A) cry
B) Offer everyone $200 to turn in their guns, no questions asked. Again.

Posted by: Entropy at November 10, 2009 03:58 PM (IsLT6)

43 Has Charlie Gibson been by here?

Posted by: nurse carrying Depends at November 10, 2009 04:00 PM (4Kl5M)

44
stuiec.. OK..
Diversity is important but no intelligent person plants poison ivy in a garden just to mix up the plants. PC is just a cover for those who refuse to think and support intelligence.

Posted by: sickinmass at November 10, 2009 04:00 PM (rYWEB)

45
NJconservative

Not only were they fellow Christians many soldiers who fought across Europe were only one generation removed from Germany and spoke fluent German.

Posted by: bulwark at November 10, 2009 04:00 PM (jvrmc)

46 I'm pretty sure the 2nd hand PTSD shtick is no longer operative.

Look at the profiles of those killed, 4 of them were mental health professionals deploying to work with soldiers. You know, like Hasan was supposed to.

Only one of the 5 went off on a killing spree.

Whatever could the difference have been?

Posted by: DrewM. at November 10, 2009 04:00 PM (FCWQb)

47 I've heard no evidence that he was suffering from schizophrenia or anything like that.I know it's not your intention, ace, but saying this is making excuses for him which I don't think he deserves. I'm guessing that he chose to follow radical Islam for the same reason most terrorists do; because they like they sadistic pleasure of fancying themselves to be God's righteous warriors slaughtering the enemy. They aren't driven there in terror like a schizophrenic fleeing from delusions; they go there because they find evil pleasure in it.
Posted by: sandy burger at November 10, 2009 03:56 PM (MT+0i)
Doesn't even require sadistic pleasure, only a firm conviction that to avoid doing Allah's bidding will result in eternal damnation. That's the stick that reinforces the carrot of being at one with the Divine Plan. It's not schizophrenia to hold a religious belief that is totally divorced from temporal compassion and empathy, it's just fanaticism.

Posted by: stuiec at November 10, 2009 04:02 PM (7AOgy)

48
"People are afraid to come forward and challenge somebody's ideology,"
he says, "because they're afraid of getting an equal-opportunity
complaint that can end careers."

Told ya.

Posted by: Dang Straights at November 10, 2009 04:02 PM (Haq+B)

49 4
Serious question: Can you join the Army if you belong to a white
supremacist group? If they find out you were in the KKK or the Aryan
Nation, would it go bad for you?

I don't know how to do the tinyurl thing, but Google "SF86".
That is the security questionnaire for any security clearance.
Scroll down to section 29, and read the questions about associates.

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at November 10, 2009 04:03 PM (jEuCJ)

50 Please pay no attention to the 1,500 or so other ticking Muslim time bombs currently serving in our military.

I'm sure everything will be fine.

Posted by: Empire of Jeff, atop his racist steed, white robes a-flappin' at November 10, 2009 04:03 PM (xGIqT)

51 I have changed it to "dangerous lunatics."

Look, you know what I'm getting at. The "we need mental health professionals" excuse does not fly when we are discussing someone who is himself disturbed.

Posted by: ace at November 10, 2009 04:04 PM (jlvw3)

52 Never happen. Because when the Muslims take over, the PC crowd will be the first ones up against the wall: their new Islamic overlords will have them dead before they can utter a word of protest or regret. convert.
Posted by: stuiec at November 10, 2009 03:57 PM (7AOgy)
FIFY

Posted by: Johnathan E. at November 10, 2009 04:04 PM (dQdrY)

53 What if one of the whistleblowers had been Muslim? A Muslim patriotic to the country who saw what Hasan was doing/saying and went to their superior officer and said, "Hey, check this guy out." Is it ok then?

My dad told me about a black guy who got fired from where he worked. The black guy sued, saying he was fired for being lazy and not doing any work. But my dad's company was dredged through the lawsuit until they finally asked the guy's black supervisor if the guy was fired for being black. Her response was a flat out hell no, the guy was a lazy bum. I'm sure she put it more nicely, though.

My point is, you can only call foul on a "protected" class if you're one of the protected classes. That seems also to be part of The System.

At least in my dad's company's case, the result wasn't deadly. But the litigiousness of today's society has to stop, because it's definitely bad for business. And the government needs to take the threat of The System seriously or more of our men and women in uniform are going to die. It seems to me The System currently triumphs over human life.

Posted by: wherestherum at November 10, 2009 04:06 PM (GZnia)

54 The government under Bush refused to say that we're at war with radical Islam, rather it was a war on terror. Now it's even sillier name.

You can't fight your enemy if you refuse to acknowledge who they are.

Posted by: taylor at November 10, 2009 04:07 PM (4jZ56)

55 NJconservative--thank you for reminding me I need to read Chicagoboyz more than I do.

VDH is cogent, as usual:
If
we once focused on postal conditions and security at post-office
installations when workers (between 1986 and 1997) snapped under the
thematic pretense of job stress, and if we investigated the nexus of
video games, drugs, cults, and counter-culture alienation when suburban
youths went on shooting sprees, then it seems legitimate to look for
commonalities when someone self-identifies as a rather radical Muslim
and shouts "Allahu Akbar!"
as he fires in the same manner that the mad driver in North Carolina,
or the killer in Seattle, or the homicidal driver in San Francisco
afterwards said they were acting out of Islamic religious fervor
against Jews or Westerners.

He concludes that Americans are going to be killed on a semi-regular basis because no one wants to be "intolerant."

Posted by: HeatherRadish at November 10, 2009 04:07 PM (NtiET)

56 The black guy sued, saying he was fired for being lazy and not doing any work black.

I think faster than I type.

Posted by: wherestherum at November 10, 2009 04:07 PM (GZnia)

57 What exactly could a Muslim service-member do that would be sufficient to qualify them as an extremist? Killing 13 people didn't work.

Posted by: Mob at November 10, 2009 04:07 PM (8c34o)

58 It is a good thing that the russians are dabbling in free market principles, otherwise they would be occupied with invading the Nanny States of America. Who knows, maybe they are thinking of lobbing a few. What the f|_|ck is flap ears gonna do about it.

Posted by: sTevp at November 10, 2009 04:07 PM (mmpM/)

59 OT
Someone just sent this to me. Words of wisdom from Da Gipper.
My apologies if someone has already posted this.

Posted by: maddogg at November 10, 2009 04:08 PM (OlN4e)

60 Diversity is important but no intelligent person plants poison ivy in a garden just to mix up the plants. PC is just a cover for those who refuse to think and support intelligence.
Posted by: sickinmass at November 10, 2009 04:00 PM (rYWEB)
I don't think that diversity, per se, is important at all. I think equality of opportunity is very important, and that it will lead in the long run to diversity as a natural effect of people from all backgrounds realizing their full potential. Meanwhile, political correctness covers up a multitude of sins, not least of which is the natural bigotry of the promoters of the PC mindset (as in, "those people don't have any chance of advancement unless we give them a head start, and anyone who thinks they can make it on their own is a racist").

Posted by: stuiec at November 10, 2009 04:08 PM (7AOgy)

61 A little Churchill, from a century ago - The River War, 1899:

How dreadful are the curses which Mohammedanism lays on its votaries! Besides the fanatical frenzy, which is as dangerous in a man as hydrophobia in a dog, there is this fearful fatalistic apathy. The effects are apparent in many countries.


Improvident habits, slovenly systems of agriculture, sluggish methods of commerce, and insecurity of property exist wherever the followers of the Prophet rule or live. A degraded sensualism deprives this life of its grace and refinement; the next of its dignity and sanctity.


The fact that in Mohammedan law every woman must belong to some man as his absolute property, either as a child, a wife, or a concubine, must delay the final extinction of slavery until the faith of Islam has ceased to be a great power among men. Individual Moslems may show splendid qualities. Thousands become the brave and loyal soldiers of the Queen; all know how to die; but the influence of the religion paralyses the social development of those who follow it.


No stronger retrograde force exists in the world. Far from being moribund, Mohammedanism is a militant and proselytizing faith. It has already spread throughout Central Africa, raising fearless warriors at every step; and were it not that Christianity is sheltered in the strong arms of science, the science against which it had vainly struggled, the civilisation of modern Europe might fall, as fell the civilisation of ancient Rome.

Posted by: progressoverpeace at November 10, 2009 04:08 PM (A46hP)

62 Has anyone compiled a list of the left's PC gone awry? This is a perfect example, another would be how our company (and probably many others) will give benefits to unmarried same sex partners, but will not for heterosexual unmarried partners. This actually "rewards" the behavior. Or how about the insurance discounts offered to employees for makinghealthy lifestyle choices such as using the gym? Conversely, ifyou smoke you get penalized with more expensive health care, but if you have a dangerous lifetstyle such as an activehomosexual male, it is ignored entitrely and not counted. It is these very policies and government encouragements that are dooming our society. Are there other examples?

Posted by: Herosmith at November 10, 2009 04:08 PM (kC3nL)

63 I've never understood why someone who'd give their life for their country hesitates when the choice becomes giving his career for his country.

Posted by: Johnathan E. at November 10, 2009 04:08 PM (dQdrY)

64 How did that old 60s song go? Started - I wanna tell you all a story .......
Needs to be modified from speed, to "PC Kills".

Posted by: MDr at November 10, 2009 04:09 PM (ucq49)

65 #34 Nice wall o' text there.

Paragraphs. Try them.

Posted by: cassandra at November 10, 2009 04:12 PM (GdalM)

66 Heather 55: like the Eloi and the Morlocks.

Posted by: Zimriel at November 10, 2009 04:12 PM (x5Hut)

67 Actually there was another elephant that no one noticed. In Oct 16 soldiers killed themselves. That was about twice as many were killed in Iraq that same month. Our army is under a lot of strain from 7 years of war. One of the reasons for Obama's delay is that the Joint Chiefs last Friday strongly recommended to the POTUS that NO TROOPS be sent to Afghanistan without at least 1 year back in the USA. If Obama follows that recommendation there can be no meaningful increase in troop levels until next summer.

Posted by: John ryan at November 10, 2009 04:12 PM (m0Q2u)

68 Stuiec: " It's not schizophrenia to hold a religious belief that is totally divorced from temporal compassion and empathy, it's just fanaticism."

Nailed it. He's not crazy, just inhuman.

Posted by: Zimriel at November 10, 2009 04:13 PM (x5Hut)

69 Time for the press to shift gears - of course he was a dangerous
Islamist, but it's all the Bush Administration's fault he was in
uniform in the first place.

Ding. Ding. Ding. Ding. Ding. That's correct. Since the "investigation" into Hasan started last year, the media can blame Bush and the military. Everything is right with the world.

Posted by: Steve L. at November 10, 2009 04:13 PM (Gkhxf)

70 You know I would like to hear from the soldiers this man treated. What kind of care did they receive from him and what the suicide rate of his patients were. We know the damage he did in Ft. Hood what about the damage he did with "therapy" to the men and women of our military before he ever picked up the gun in Texas.

Posted by: sdan at November 10, 2009 04:14 PM (HvHyU)

71
We need some Iowahawk to lighten the mood.

Posted by: Dang Straights at November 10, 2009 04:14 PM (Haq+B)

72 What if one of the whistleblowers had been Muslim? A Muslim patriotic
to the country who saw what Hasan was doing/saying and went to their
superior officer and said, "Hey, check this guy out." Is it ok then?

wherestherum

Nope, makes no difference. The system must be protected, that is the prime directive.



Posted by: DrewM. at November 10, 2009 04:14 PM (FCWQb)

73 John ryan 67, on the one hand your comment has merit on its own... but on the other hand it's completely irrelevant. Hasan wasn't in combat.
I dub thee "troll".

Posted by: Zimriel at November 10, 2009 04:15 PM (x5Hut)

74 The first rule of Muslim club, is you don't talk about Muslim club.

Posted by: Unclefacts, Summoner of Bacon, Meteors, and Outrage at November 10, 2009 04:16 PM (erIg9)

75 I think that an underlying theme to this PC problem in the military is one of fear and career preservation. I don't believe that the vast majority of soldiers accept or internalize PC. They just want to avoid the punishment and potentially career ending stigma that the bureaucratic mechanisms in the miltary can bring to bear.
This may be an ignoble motivation but it is reality IMHO.
One of the traits you are rated on in the military is moral courage. It's time for some brave soldiers to stand up and call bullshit on this. It should start with some General's willing to sacrifice their career's for the good of the service and their troops. Lead by example.

Posted by: LGoPs at November 10, 2009 04:17 PM (v/rEn)

76 57 What exactly could a Muslim service-member do that would be sufficient to qualify them as an extremist? Killing 13 people didn't work.
Denying global warming.

Posted by: Truman North at November 10, 2009 04:17 PM (e8YaH)

77
The first rule of Muslim club, is you don't talk about Muslim club. is that you get to openly talk about it all you want and people are too chicken shit to do anything about it for fear of getting sued.

Posted by: taylor at November 10, 2009 04:17 PM (4jZ56)

78
At some point, either these blatant lies are going to have to be met, head on, or the abyss awaits us. Muslims were pretty much non-existent in America (and the black muslims were not even considered real muslims until the arab/persian/muslim world figured out how valuable they were) until just the past few decades. "Contributions ... too long to catalogue ..."
Posted by: progressoverpeace at November 10, 2009 03:57 PM (A46hP)
Understand this: much of the Left's reflexive hatred of Bush was a displacement of their fear of Islamic terrorism. Bush took the war to the terrorists, and that terrified the Progressives that we were poking the beast, making it like us less and getting it angrier at us.
And so Barack Obama started off his Presidency by trying to make the Islamic world like us and to prove to them that we're harmless. It's pretty hard to square that circle when the USA is engaged in two wars in Muslim countries and helping another (Pakistan) fight a civil war against Muslim extremists. He'd have done a lot better to say that hell yes, America is at war with a part of Islam, and that by the way, that part of Islam is at war with the rest of Islam and ruthlessly incurring casualties.

Posted by: stuiec at November 10, 2009 04:18 PM (7AOgy)

79

It appears the Army Strong motto doesn't apply to the upper echelons of command structure.

Posted by: bulwark at November 10, 2009 04:18 PM (jvrmc)

80
>>What the f|_|ck is flap ears gonna do about it...Posted by: sTevp..

I'm much more worried about what our Muslim-in-Chief is doing. He could NEVER get a security clearance with his bio.
I would advise your sons to NOT join the military while Democrats were in
charge advising him; watch a few months and see how quickly and
frequently our military is thrown under the ever-receptive Obama bus.
That Genunreal Casey is so - there is no word that can truly
characterize his comment - to say that maintaining "diversity" is more
important than the 13 lives lost and the hundreds of lives ruined by
this Islamic Terrorist is PC insanity of cosmic proportions.

Posted by: sickinmass at November 10, 2009 04:19 PM (rYWEB)

81 What exactly could a Muslim service-member do that would be
sufficient to qualify them as an extremist? Killing 13 people didn't
work.

Protesting government spending, writing on right wing blogs, believing in creationism, etc.

Posted by: taylor at November 10, 2009 04:19 PM (4jZ56)

82 76
57 What exactly could a Muslim service-member do that would be sufficient to qualify them as an extremist? Killing 13 people didn't work.
Denying global warming.
Posted by: Truman North at November 10, 2009 04:17 PM (e8YaH)
Or pushing Creationism in the public schools. I hear that riles up a lot of people.

Posted by: stuiec at November 10, 2009 04:19 PM (7AOgy)

83 You know I would like to hear from the soldiers this man treated. What kind of care did they receive from him and what the suicide rate of his patients were. We know the damage he did in Ft. Hood what about the damage he did with "therapy" to the men and women of our military before he ever picked up the gun in Texas.

Posted by: sdan at November 10, 2009 04:14 PM (HvHyU)
Evidently, he was into proselytizing islam, and jihadism, with his patients, which is about as low as it gets.
The US will continue to have a problem until it is realized that islam is not a religion, but a political ideology with an attendant mythology. That is the lesson of the structure of Turkey, and Ataturk was a devout muslim who loved it. But, he understood that islam always demands the power of state and that no modern state can exist if the muslim population is large enough and islam is allowed to work its desire for state power.
Big thanks to the imbecilic EU for forcing Turkey to remove the secular military as the supreme Constitutional power, laying the groundwork for Turkey's current slide back into islamism.

Posted by: progressoverpeace at November 10, 2009 04:19 PM (A46hP)

84
Truman

say something negative about homosexuals.

Posted by: bulwark at November 10, 2009 04:20 PM (jvrmc)

85 Good take, Ace,on the rewards/punishments aspect of why our whole national security apparatus goes "See No Evil" every time someone has Sudden Jihad Syndrome.
Theplayers aren't insane -the Game is. And the first rule of theGame is "Don't talk about the Game."
PS - 30 sickinmass: The same people who blamed Bush for 9-11 because he didn't have Arabs deported for merely taking flying lessonsand having unexplained funds in their bank accounts arecuriously silent on what Obama should have done with this bastard when he'd been caught trying to make pre-deployment contact with AQ and spoutingodes to Jihad whenever someone asked him to pass the salt.

Posted by: societyis2blame at November 10, 2009 04:21 PM (rPDD/)

86 Diversity is nothing more than the same old quota guideline bullshit that the SCOTUS outlawed long ago. The Supremes put all businesses in a the old catch 22 place and the military is in that same place. The only "big business" that is exempt from it is congress.

The problem is that the Supremes have ruled that quotas are illegal and unconsituional but that organizations can have preferences based on achieving "diversity".

At the same time you have the regulations written by the 'tards in the EOC which makes it easy to sue if the quotas are not met. Most firms will eat their own rather than spend a 1000 "lawyer hours" a year in court.

If the assholes in SCOTUS had simply ruled that the law must be color blind et al as the law actually reads we would not be having all these problems.

I'm sure that last ruling was designed to keep Kennedy on the "right" sixde of the bed though.

Posted by: Vic at November 10, 2009 04:22 PM (CDUiN)

87 Denying global warming.

Ever notice no one ever questions the carbon footprint of the Hajj?

Posted by: HeatherRadish at November 10, 2009 04:22 PM (NtiET)

88 Nope, makes no difference. The system must be protected, that is the prime directive.

We are well and truly f*cked.

Posted by: wherestherum at November 10, 2009 04:22 PM (GZnia)

89 Don't forget, this man's actions and statements weren't just overlooked, he was PROMOTED

Posted by: justanotherbostonian at November 10, 2009 04:23 PM (GFaLW)

90 Oh, one other thing that needs to happen is disband the EOC and eliminate ALL of their regulations.

Posted by: Vic at November 10, 2009 04:24 PM (CDUiN)

91 John ryan 67...
I dub thee "troll".

he is still around? Why wasn't this anti-Semite POS banned?

Posted by: fluffy at November 10, 2009 04:24 PM (4Kl5M)

92 The contributions of Muslims to the United States are too long to catalogue because Muslims are so interwoven into the fabric of our communities and our country, the President said to begin the nights iftar or fast-breaking dinner"

Let's see, checking the endless roster of Muslim achievements in the Nation Below Canada...






um






Nope, I got nothing.

Posted by: George Orwell gone hyperbolic at November 10, 2009 04:24 PM (AZGON)

93 I dub thee "troll".

Zimriel = Moron. How many times do you mouth breathers need to be straightened out on this?Check previous threads, you'll find others, including Ace, explaining in small words I'm not a troll,,,,

Are you so married to your myopia that any opinion outside of your own has to be emanating from a fraud?

I'm not a troll,
I'm not a troll,
I'm not a troll,

... oh, you were talking to John Ryan...

...well, you're still a mouth-breathing moron, and I hate you all.

Posted by: barbelle at November 10, 2009 04:27 PM (WPCrx)

94
What exactly could a Muslim service-member do that would be
sufficient to qualify them as an extremist? Killing 13 people didn't
work.

Attend a Tea Party.

Posted by: Dang Straights at November 10, 2009 04:28 PM (Haq+B)

95 I've never understood why someone who'd give their life for their country hesitates when the choice becomes giving his career for his country.
The people behind desks in personnel positions in Maryland are not exactly running around getting shot at.
For that matter, most generals these days aren't exactly giving orders from in front.

Posted by: Entropy at November 10, 2009 04:28 PM (IsLT6)

96 The System? There's no System.
(No Mafia, either.)

Posted by: FireHorse at November 10, 2009 04:29 PM (Vl5GH)

97
30

When the Muslims take over the government.
See January 20, 2009.

Posted by: Guy Fawkes at November 10, 2009 04:30 PM (DIYmd)

98 Looking at our country's history, I can derive a very cold comfort in observing that we're very good at making comebacks once we're sufficiently whacked over the head. 9/11 wasn't sufficiently horrible enough to get a sufficient number of people to wake up and look at the world with a clear head. And this latest little massacre won't be enough either. It makes me shudder to think what it's going to take to get us to take this war seriously. But sooner or later, something's going to happen that'll make us FEEL the wall at our backs, and we'll respond appropriately. And generations later will wonder why we were so blind to the danger and didn't just take care of it before it was a world-consuming fire.

Posted by: Cautiously Pessimistic at November 10, 2009 04:30 PM (30xKW)

99 The military is just being pragmatic.

Posted by: andycanuck at November 10, 2009 04:30 PM (2qU2d)

100 Understand this: much of the Left's reflexive hatred of Bush was a displacement of their fear of Islamic terrorism. Bush took the war to the terrorists, and that terrified the Progressives that we were poking the beast, making it like us less and getting it angrier at us.
I agree with you on what the Regressives felt, but Bush only did the minimum possible. Bush was as scared to say something bad about islam as the left, which was the deadly synergy.
And so Barack Obama started off his Presidency by trying to make the Islamic world like us and to prove to them that we're harmless.
I'm going to have to disagree with you on this. The Precedent never cared about what the islamic world thought of us or his rhetoric. All of his moves were designed to do us maximal damage. Whatever that took, that's what he did. That's how I've always seen it.
It's pretty hard to square that circle when the USA is engaged in two wars in Muslim countries and helping another (Pakistan) fight a civil war against Muslim extremists. He'd have done a lot better to say that hell yes, America is at war with a part of Islam, and that by the way, that part of Islam is at war with the rest of Islam and ruthlessly incurring casualties.

Posted by: stuiec at November 10, 2009 04:18 PM (7AOgy)
Of course, that would have made sense, but The Precedent never had US interests in mind - quite the opposite. The Precedent went to Turkey and complained about French laws against hijabs! Turkey, where rules against islamic dress are stricter than anywhere in Europe.
It is just so incredibly odd that, through this whole War on Terror, Turkey and its structure are never spoken about. Now, of course, it's too late, as Turkey is quickly slipping away, thanks to what I posted above about the EU bullying Turkey into changing their constitution, even though the EU never had any intention of bringing Turkey into the EU (which is the one correct decision Europe has made in a century). But, as usual, Europe had to screw everyone else with their childish gaming, anyway.

Posted by: progressoverpeace at November 10, 2009 04:30 PM (A46hP)

101 Let's see, checking the endless roster of Muslim achievements in the Nation Below Canada...
What did he just tell you? They're too long to catalogue. Of course you can't list them. They're too long.
You'll never be able to think of any 1 thing at all,because there's just too many places to start.

Posted by: Entropy at November 10, 2009 04:32 PM (IsLT6)

102
It makes me shudder to think what it's going to take to get us to take this war seriously.

Dinnerjacket has some ideas on that, I'm sure.

Posted by: Dang Straights at November 10, 2009 04:32 PM (Haq+B)

103
Posted by: Cautiously Pessimistic at November 10, 2009 04:30 PM (30xKW)

I really, most sincerely hope you're right. Pearl Harbor was enough to wake up a nation, and I think 9/11 is arguably even more traumatic than Pearl Harbor, yet people went back to sleep a month or two later. The politicians went back to sleep about 2 weeks after.

So is there ever going to be an attack big enough and bad enough people are finally going to get it? Or rather not average people, but the elites. It's the elites who are the problem. NY already has a crater in it. Do DC and Chicago and San Fran need one two before the elites figure out they're killing us with their insanity?

Posted by: wherestherum at November 10, 2009 04:38 PM (GZnia)

104 Welcome to The System. The first rule of The System is: you do not talk about The System. The second rule of The System is: you DO NOT talk about The System! Third rule of The System: if someone yells "Allāhu Akbar!", goes postal, or blows himself up, it's not terrorism.

Posted by: Tyler"Toonces" Durden at November 10, 2009 04:39 PM (H6Jyg)

105 Scozzafozza's also a verb now? Meaning what? Fat bitch? ("Don't fat bitch me, man.")
No it's not. She's just being whiney.
The truth is Scozzafozza is just too damn long and unwieldy and unpleasant to the ears to be a neologism.
Scozzafozza'ed? Scozzafozzed? Scozzafozzaing? Is this german or chinese?
Some kind of diabolic Sino-German?

Posted by: Entropy at November 10, 2009 04:40 PM (IsLT6)

106 I think Hrscozzafozzoaing was like the name of Odin's spear or something.

Posted by: Entropy at November 10, 2009 04:43 PM (IsLT6)

107 Since the "investigation" into Hasan started last year, the media can blame Bush and the military.

As long as they acknowledge that this PC nonsense is the problem, they can blame Bush to their heart's content without any complaints from me.

Posted by: sandy burger at November 10, 2009 04:43 PM (MT+0i)

108 En Fuego!

Posted by: that guy that shouts enfuego! at November 10, 2009 04:43 PM (PD1tk)

109 What exactly could a Muslim service-member do that would be sufficient to qualify them as an extremist?
Attend a town-hall meetinghosted byyour representative, and take issue with the Health Care Overhaul.

Posted by: reason at November 10, 2009 04:43 PM (sPO/s)

110 Quick math:

1 Muslim Major > 13 dead soldiers

Mulim "feelings" > 3,000 dead on 9/11

How many more Americans will be killed before someone, anyone, realizes that indeed, Muslims are out to kill Infidels, and guess what, we're all infidels.

Or is this the permanent equation:

Muslim > the rest of society

Posted by: shibumi at November 10, 2009 04:43 PM (OKZrE)

111 Pearl Harbor was enough to wake up a nation, and I think 9/11 is arguably even more traumatic than Pearl Harbor

I think 9/11 is easier for people to brush aside as just an isolated incident by 12 fanatical criminals.

Posted by: sandy burger at November 10, 2009 04:46 PM (MT+0i)

112 Or is this the permanent equation: Muslim > the rest of society

I'm afraid so. Muslims actually try to kill people they feel insult them. Remember the Mohammed cartoons? Our illustrious elites are more afraid of this than they are of losing freedom and liberty. It's easier to cower to bullies who want to kill you than stand up and fight back.

Posted by: wherestherum at November 10, 2009 04:46 PM (GZnia)

113
94
I dub thee "troll"...
The most important indicator of a poster's contrarian Troll status is his/her constant use of subtle and not-so-subtle insults, a technique intended to make people angry. Contrarians will resist the urge to be insulting at first, but as their post count increases, they become more and more abusive of those with whom they disagree. Most often they initiate the insults in the course of what has been a civil, if heated, debate to that point.
Agenda trolls are those participants who join a forum specifically to pursue an agenda of their own often a feud or grudge with another member, or perhaps a dispute with some party not participating in that forum. When a flame war erupts on another board, for example, Agenda Trolls will follow their opponents to other forums in order to continue the spat.

This website is owned and operated by ace. We have no right to free speech on it, and there is no reason to expect any freedom of expression. You can go rent a host and a domain name of your own and there will be fewer limits on what you can say there. So spare us.

Posted by: sickinmass at November 10, 2009 04:47 PM (rYWEB)

114 It doesn't matter anyway. As I was informed by Randi Rhodes the investigation happened on Bush's watch, ipso facto.....It's Bush's fault and Hasan's innocent.

Posted by: Bosk at November 10, 2009 04:48 PM (pUO5u)

115
It is a dangerous political situation, and there is really no middle ground. It is one way or the other, and we need to take sides. Either we protect our soldiers, or we worry about the emotions and feelings of the muslim soldiers. The army needs to follow one path. They cannot attempt to follow both. The truth is needed, lies are harmful. We need to call a spade a spade, no matter how serious it is. Political correctness never solved anything except in the mind of those who hate the truth.

Posted by: sickinmass at November 10, 2009 04:50 PM (rYWEB)

116 So is there ever going to be an attack big enough and bad enough people are finally going to get it? Or rather not average people, but the elites. It's the elites who are the problem. NY already has a crater in it. Do DC and Chicago and San Fran need one two before the elites figure out they're killing us with their insanity?
Posted by: wherestherum at November 10, 2009 04:38 PM (GZnia)
I'm afraid that we're so set on this current course that only a catastrophe of cataclysimic proportions will shake us out of this liberal mental illness which half of us have embraced and the other half are hamstrung by. Some catastrophe that reduces us to an elemental level where the only alternative is to rely on those instincts and common sense that nature has given us. The very same insitincts and common sense that liberals find anathema. Only then do we recover. And I do not wish that kind of cataclysm.

Posted by: LGoPs at November 10, 2009 04:50 PM (tm/sN)

117 URL above from The Covenant Zone should be required reading about our wonderful PC "culture."

Posted by: David Spence at November 10, 2009 04:51 PM (SiN52)

118 So is there ever going to be an attack big enough and bad enough people are finally going to get it?
Yes.
When the average mom feels an existential threat to her children, all hell will be unleashed on islam. If, of course, we still have the ability.

Posted by: Johnathan E. at November 10, 2009 04:52 PM (dQdrY)

119 So is there ever going to be an attack big enough and bad enough people are finally going to get it?
What's the worst attack I can think of? A nuclear attack on an American population-center. But let's say the nuke was delivered in a shipping container, or viarailcar from Mexico, and cannot be traced to any specific nation-state. Let's just say that everyone knows, for a certainty, that Al Qaeda was behind it; and that they got their nuke from Iran or North Korea. Again, this would be something that everyone knows but cannot actually prove in a legalistic sense.
Question: would we retaliate (whether conventionally or nuclear) against Iran or NK?
Answer: It depends on the level of deniability on the part of the nation-state, and who happens to be running America at that point in time. If there is a GOP commander-in-chief, then I think we'd definitely respond with military force (though not necessarily retaliate with nukes); if a Democrat...probably not. Democrats would almost certainly resort to sanctions, international embargoes, etc. in preference to military force.

Posted by: Monty at November 10, 2009 04:52 PM (4Pleu)

120 Actually, the link is found by clicking on my name but I had no part in writing it-that was the only way I got the "comments thingy" to work-It was found on The Covenant Zone blog which referenced Richard Fernandez of The Belmont Club.

Posted by: David Spence at November 10, 2009 04:54 PM (SiN52)

121 #4, yes, they will throw your ass out in a heartbeat, assuming you make it past basic training.
I saw guys get kicked out at Benning in the first week at 30th Reception because their tattoos were from various white nationalist groups. One buddy of mine (third generation Benning infantry) made it in with a lot of people fucking with him. Went to the Rangers, did the school. Made SFC in seven years, combat jumps with both 3rd Rangers and 173rd Airborne Brigade. Would have been a big loss if they'd washed him out over some ink.

Posted by: SGT Dan at November 10, 2009 04:54 PM (GgXZc)

122 Democrats are such azzholes.

Posted by: sickinmass at November 10, 2009 04:54 PM (rYWEB)

123 Dinnerjacket has some ideas on that, I'm sure.
He would have never used that peaceful, green-energy-generating nuclear technology for deadly intents if we had never gone there in the first place. So it's still DA BOOOOOOOOOSH's fault.
And no, we still can't have nuclear energy here. NIMBY NAMBY NOO.

Posted by: channeling the libtard response at November 10, 2009 04:55 PM (sPO/s)

124 If Time can spot the motive, then it's really damn obvious. I will have to agree with Ace this time though. No one will be blamed or punished of letting Jihadi Joe run amok. Otherwise the PCaffirmativeive-action, multi-culti, diversity-obsessed system would blow up in the Army's face. Since this would cause a precedemnt wiht Krakatoa-like explosive effect on the other Armed Forces, the US government at large, and the Fortune 500 index, don't expect to see it done. The only way there will be a true purge of troublesome Muslims in the army is when the jihadis at large do something bad enough to warrant their removal. Which will get no attention whatsoever because in that situation ALL Muslims will have become persona non grata.

Posted by: exdem13 at November 10, 2009 04:56 PM (lYKj1)

125 Scozzafozza'ed? Scozzafozzed? Scozzafozzaing?
Hrscozzafozzoaing
Bless you!

Posted by: Dr. Rahm at November 10, 2009 04:57 PM (wAQA5)

126 I really, most sincerely hope you're right. Pearl Harbor was enough to wake up a nation, and I think 9/11 is arguably even more traumatic than Pearl Harbor, yet people went back to sleep a month or two later. The politicians went back to sleep about 2 weeks after.
It was a little longer than that, since the anthrax attacks had come on the heels of 9/11 and pretty much had everyone terrified. The real point at which the left started back in on their amazingly seditious tactics was right after Saddam was yanked out of that spider-hole. At that point, they felt safe enough to start attacking America, again. Bush was a victim of his own success in restoring a feeling of safety to people (though he still wasn't doing enough and wasn't fighting the war with the correct sorts of ROE).
So is there ever going to be an attack big enough and bad enough people are finally going to get it? Or rather not average people, but the elites. It's the elites who are the problem. NY already has a crater in it. Do DC and Chicago and San Fran need one two before the elites figure out they're killing us with their insanity?

Posted by: wherestherum at November 10, 2009 04:38 PM (GZnia)
It's going to have to be big. But, we might get lucky in that it might happen elsewhere and be large enough to snap Americans out of their dream-world stupor. I'm not very optimistic, though.

Posted by: progressoverpeace at November 10, 2009 04:57 PM (A46hP)

127 I saw guys get kicked out at Benning in the first week at 30th Reception because their tattoos were from various white nationalist groups.
We had one guy come through who got a waiver for his tat: it was an Odin's cross on his left pec. I was kind of surprised they let that one slide, actually. Might have just been that the examiner didn't give a damn. I also saw lots of guys with gang tats get waivers (though one guy had to get his burned off with a laser before he reported for BCT).
It's maybe not so strange that once the gang-bangers got an attitude adjustment, most of them turned out to be good soldiers.

Posted by: Monty at November 10, 2009 04:59 PM (4Pleu)

128 "Democrats would almost certainly resort to sanctions, international embargoes, etc. in preference to military force."
Unless you've got some sort of pesky "intern problem." In that case, fire in 'da hole!

Posted by: reason at November 10, 2009 04:59 PM (sPO/s)

129
Some occasionally stumble over the truth but most pick themselves up and hurry off as if nothing ever happened...


(Winston Churchill)


Posted by: sickinmass at November 10, 2009 05:00 PM (rYWEB)

130 "My guess is he fell through the cracks," the general said.

Plausible, but very unlikely.

Posted by: Blacque Jacques Shellacque at November 10, 2009 05:02 PM (jV9DU)

131 It's maybe not so strange that once the gang-bangers got an attitude adjustment, most of them turned out to be good soldiers.

Michelle Malkin reported awhile back Hispanic gangs in the military are a problem since they're tagging the equipment. And heck, even building where they're stationed overseas. I'd also heard that because the military wanted to up their recruitment, they'd been overlooking a lot of Hispanic gang tats.

Posted by: wherestherum at November 10, 2009 05:03 PM (GZnia)

132 I'm sure Orwell would not be amused, or perhaps he would be. "We have always been at war with Eastasia/Eurasia/Oceana" has now been replaced by "We have NEVER been at War with Islam" despite the fact that the West has been fighting Islam pretty much constantly since the 700s.

Posted by: Sharkman at November 10, 2009 05:05 PM (sZOIi)

133 Yeah the minimum except for shutting down their charities, not caving in to shutting down GITMO, not meeting with Arafat, strongly supporting Israel, enhanced interrogations and killing more muslims than any previous President. But since he didn't declare direct war on Islam that would be considered minimum.

Posted by: polynikes at November 10, 2009 04:54 PM (m2CN7)
Bush did well, but he didn't do nearly enough and he didn't do it nearly ruthlessly enough. Bush was the strongest President for Israel, without any doubt, but he still took a dive in his second term, and his Roadkill Map was insane and wrong. Of course, Bush is not to take the total blame for that as Sharon screwed things up enough on his end (and I always considered Sharon to have been a strategic genius).
Bush held strong on a few important points, but he caved on many, many others. He let Condi Rice hold sway in the second term, and she was brain-dead left-leaner who was a joke. And, no matter how you cut it, the fact that Iran was still unchecked when Bush left says all you need to know.
I liked Bush and I appreciated the things he did do, mostly that he held strong on Iraq, but don't kid yourself into thinking that he did nearly enough. He did not. It would have been nice if he had even tried to prosecute the WaPo and NY Slimes for the treason and espionage they printed in their pages. I don't care if they were acquitted. They were publishing national security secrets for the expressed purpose of injuring the US - to help their political allies - and they should have had to answer for that.

Posted by: progressoverpeace at November 10, 2009 05:05 PM (A46hP)

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Posted by: DngrMse at November 10, 2009 05:13 PM (wynRm)

135 Wow. And we thought SPAIN was bad for caving in to the mooslimes after the train bombings.

We've gone them quite a few better: they elected a Marxist Quisling, but our fellow "citizens" elected a Marxist MUSLIM Quisling. And our military BRASS HATS are showing no more fortitude than a bunch of sonderkommandos. Fucking cowards.

We are so screwed.

Posted by: Beverly at November 10, 2009 05:16 PM (B8MDF)

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sufficient to qualify them as an extremist? Killing 13 people didn't
work.

Try to ban football because of the "pigskin".

Posted by: wrg at November 10, 2009 05:21 PM (7t+Ws)

137 Which is just what the government wants: It wants these things swept
under the carpet and deliberately overlooked, and it furthermore wants
its very policy of sweeping these things under the carpet and
deliberately overlooking them to itself be swept under the carpet and deliberately overlooked.

It has created such a perverse system of rewards and penalties that no
one can publicly admit to being so monstrous and callous as to act
according to that system of rewards and penalties. A system so corrupt
that no one can admit to acquiescing to it.

You sure it's just the government there, slick?

Posted by: Horatius at November 10, 2009 05:33 PM (cHiAt)

138 Time to quit the PC BS. Young men of Middle Eastern descent should absolutely be given an extra modicum of scrutiny. Those that complain should be instructed to redirect their angst against the Muslims who have perpetraited crimes against humanity. Is that going to get rid of terrorism? No but it will help. Send an occasional dark skinned FBI agent into Mosques to moniter what is preached. Mullahs that espouse hate can get the fuck out. Those that set in the Mosque and listen to the hateful shit have an obligation to get out of the Mosque and inform the FBI or receive the same scrutiny as the speaker. We are pussy footing around and getting people killed.

Posted by: Ohio Dan at November 10, 2009 05:51 PM (RQ+qN)

139 108 Welcome to The System. The first rule of The System is: you do not talk about The System. The second rule of The System is: you DO NOT talk about The System! Third rule of The System: if someone yells "Allāhu Akbar!", goes postal, or blows himself up, it's not terrorism.

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Hah, I was going to say something similar to this. Do we need to move you to an undisclosed location now, Ace? We promise not to tell ol' lips-are-sealed Joe where it is.

Posted by: Liz Lemon at November 10, 2009 05:53 PM (lSuMX)

140 said the general, who also requested anonymity

Casey did not need any anonymity to go and declare that the real tragedy is that muslim soldiers may feel bad. BTW any muslim soldier who whines about "backlash" instead of admitting that his co-religionists are problem and aiding to out the jihadists is complicit in this.

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Posted by: RM at November 10, 2009 06:44 PM (GkYyh)

144 How big an attack would it take to awaken pc people from their slumber?
I'd say not how big, but how frequent the attacks would have to be before this group admits Islam is a serious problem.

Then I start thinking about Sredot, and I think it will just morph into caterwauling about how us stinkin' conservatives have it coming for killing thousands of children in the name of capitalism. I can see the 52% with their fingers pointing strait at......me. Yep. I'm the problem. Round 'em up!

This sickness knows no bounds, it will not end nicely.

Posted by: Derak at November 10, 2009 07:16 PM (pwF9X)

145 Have I told you today how much I like your blog? No?

BTW, it's whistle blower protection, not whistle blower punishment. Being a whistle blower is like being a protected witness. Sure, your career is over, but as long as your claims are substantiated, you are protected.

However, substantiation will be contested vigorously, so yous makes your bets and yous takes your chances.

Posted by: RTH615 at November 10, 2009 07:40 PM (0KuJp)

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Posted by: katya at November 10, 2009 08:03 PM (Ejm4Y)

147 "The system will remain in place, because no one dares admit the very existence of The System at all. The System requires denial of The System. In fact, that's rule one of The System."

IOW, the first rule of The System is, "Do not talk about The System."

We've all seen this before; unfortunately, it used to be only in Technicolor. Now we have it live.

Once again the institutions we must trust (at least sometimes), we cannot. Cloward-Piven? Not directly, but an interesting consequence of a failed societal foundation.

Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at November 10, 2009 08:08 PM (swuwV)

148 Spot on, Ace.
What disturbs me most is that this PC rot is so deeply ingrained in the military. The military.
If its this bad there...whew...think about the rest of society.

Posted by: Fred at November 10, 2009 08:09 PM (IzUmo)

149 I'm sorry, but, as an officer in the military don't you take an oath..."I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign or domestic, that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; that I take this obligation freely, without any mental reservations or purpose of evasion; and that I will well and faithfully discharge the duties of the office upon which I am about to enter; So help me God."
That PC crap is just so much BS.F*** your career. What the hell is more important? Your career or the lives of the American people you took an oath to protect.
Sorry...but, I was in the Navy (quite a while ago, before all the Mooslim shit), and if I heard some basket case spouting that kind of crap night day, I would have lost my freakin' life before I would let them shut me up.
What the hell is happening to this country???

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Posted by: Nanny Statist at November 10, 2009 09:00 PM (eA3tl)

152 OK, we all know the problem - double standards, preferences given to everyone but white hetero males, immigration of inassimilable minorities, etc - all shielded by the wall of Political Correctness. What's the solution?

I've been reading Jonah Goldberg's "Liberal Fascism" and reached the chapter on the "New Left" of the 1960's. How did they eventually take over society to where they are The System and people who hold to traditional, small government conservative values are the radicals? They radicalized the liberals in society, and they forced The System to give in through both physical and verbal violence.

Now no one here supports physical violence, but we all commit some degree of verbal violence on this blog. We call out PC for the lie it is, though in deference to Ace's wishes we keep it within tight bounds. But the way to fight the problem is to take the handcuffs off and attack the lies of the Left with the brutal, unpleasant, honest truth - truths so unpleasant we deny them ourselves much of the time.

But not here. That will just drive ace into living in a cardboard box.

The truth needs to be shouted to the world, louder and louder, again and again, until they can't not hear us. We need a thousand Ann Coulters and male equivalents. Not us, necessarily, but people are out there. People who are willing to speak what many will call "hate speech". People willing to be protested, shouted down, and lose their jobs.

We need to radicalize Conservatives, and by brutalizing The System with the truth force it to retreat, if not crack and crumble. Leftism is built on a foundation of false premises and it will topple if pushed hard enough.

A lot of us are reading Alynsky and Cloward Piven to see how they did it to us. Now they are The System and we are the rebels. We need to look at the other things they did and start to use those techniques against them.

Unthinkable? Too hard? Then yes, we are fucked.

Partially formed ideas, hopefully a little more than 1/2 baked, but there they are.

Posted by: obama is a traitor at November 10, 2009 09:10 PM (Qt4Y7)

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Posted by: butch154 ... What disturbs me most is that this PC rot is so deeply ingrained in the military. The military. Posted by: Fred
They can see the handwriting on the wall.

Some are pimping their military status for cash to provide soundbites.

But by saying nothing, others know the checks they cash from the Gub'mint every month will keep coming....

Posted by: TXMarko at November 10, 2009 09:42 PM (Y+DG6)

154 Now, sadly, I see every unit in the Armed Forces with muslims serving, even if they are true-blue 100% do-or-die American Patriots, they will be looked upon suspiciously by their fellow infantrymen.

If you though gays in the military would destroy cohesion amongst the ranks, you ain't seen nothin' yet.

Posted by: cheshirecat at November 10, 2009 09:49 PM (S4iZ5)

155 Has Charlie Gibson been by here?
Posted by: nurse carrying Depends at November 10, 2009 04:00 PM (4Kl5M)
Charlie Gibson? Never heard of him.

Posted by: Bill H at November 10, 2009 09:56 PM (q8CmE)

156 This PC horseshit has infested the military for a lot longer than most people suspect.

Posted by: trentk269 at November 10, 2009 10:00 PM (xyEsR)

157 Back in '88 I was confronted with a situation that one of the people under my 'control' was a rather dim-witted, but hard working and motivated individual. My superior suggested I 'alter' my rating of him to more appropriately reflect his own. I reminded my superior that he didn't have to concur with my rating, and it was beyond his ability (illegal) for him to suggest that I change my own. The next day I was called into the commanders office, then his commanders office, then his commanders office, after reminding each up the chain of command that the rules were written to prevent this harassment of my assessment, they complied and simply let the dim-wit get my own rating, with minimal endorsements. Unfortunately, I was rewarded with a poor rating as a result of my action when the time came for my own assessment. Fortunately I was a shining star at the time and my contract was ending. Had it not been for my experience seeing the depth of the corruption up the chain of command, I would not have believed it was possible. The military is explicitly designed to eliminate 'free-thinking' individuals, and bury them within the following masses. I don't for a second speak disparagingly about anything the military is doing, I do however have first hand knowledge about how it works. The US military is the most organized socialistic organization ever created. Again, I don't say it is wrong, I'm just stating that it is a fact. I'm sure there will be back-lash and I will gladly discuss it.

Posted by: Eric at November 10, 2009 11:06 PM (Qc/s6)

158 I recommend intensive training in pillow-fights and warm hugs for the Afghan theatre.

And if those don't work, break out the harsh language.

Posted by: OregonMuse at November 10, 2009 11:52 PM (eR37w)

159 Dave Hackworth is spinning in his grave right now. The careerist mentality in the officer corps is harming the military and this country.

Posted by: PDizzle at November 11, 2009 12:02 AM (R0lVr)

160 Remember the case of the "flying imams" in Minneapolis back in 2006? Prayingloudly in the waiting area,cursing the United States, frightening the other passengers on the plane? The six imams were removed from the plane and arrested (good, right?)
They sued law enforcement, the airline, airport and even their fellow passengers,and basically won. (very bad).They are getting a big payout (amount not disclosed). According to Powerline, "one of the six imams was Omar Shahin, a former representative of and fundraiser for the Muslim charity KindHearts, shuttered by the Treasury Department as a Hamas front in February 2006"
These were bad men up to no good, and our justice system punishes US when we try and protect ourselves. This PC rot is everywhere.
(I can't seem to make the link to Powerline work, my comment with the link keeps getting bounced, sorry)

Posted by: Boots at November 11, 2009 01:14 AM (06JTY)

161 McCaffrey retired as a three star general, not four, so it wasn't him.

Posted by: Ralph L at November 11, 2009 01:14 AM (mSsmX)

162 To 83 Progressoverpeace:Well stated! I was going to make precisely the same point: If we don't classify Islam as an ideology akin to Nazism, fascism or any of the other isms then Muslims are entitled to full protection of the 1st amendment and will continue whacking away at us until they win, mainly because their only real law is Shariah and we are currently hamstrung by our constituion even though Islam is a worldview that encompasses everything from howthe government should operate all the wayto the most private of behaviors. Excellent point, and the only way we can save western civilization as we know it.

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Thanks, brownimom. It is a simple, and eminently logical, move to reclassify islam correctly (as Turkey was structured), but Americans have just been accepting the joke of the "religion of islam" for so long that it is a tough nut to crack. But, if people like us keep saying it and explaining it, eventually the idea might make its way into the public consciousness. It can't hurt to try, at least. Everyone knows that mosques serve more as logistical centers and depots whenever muslims are busy fighting (which is pretty much always), and there is the advantage that the "great example of muslim democracy" that people always bring up is Turkey, so we are 60% of the way there. People just need to be instructed about the structure of Turkey and that will be another 15% towards reason. Keep up the good fight.

Posted by: progressoverpeace at November 11, 2009 11:56 AM (A46hP)

164 The families of the dead and wounded need to band together and sue the living shit out ofthe Army, the FBI, and the family of the murdering muslim pig. Exact financial retribution, take it to court and make the truth come out. Show the rest of this country just how bad this special protected status shit really is. My nephew left today for his second deployment to Iraq. We warned him to watch his back around any muslim soldiers in his unit. From reading the blogs across the web who are discussing this issue, the anger is growing in scope not dissipating. Devote muslims have no business in our military, its a conflict of interest and they need to be removed. The shitstain in chief wont address this issue again. He showed his utter contempt for our military yesterday when he arrived late to the memorial service. This is nothing but a distraction to him and his cronies.

Posted by: Theresa, MSgt (ret), USAF at November 11, 2009 03:28 PM (TpdcL)

165 The Army creates death, encourages race hate, and destroys nations for profit.

So why should pro-war Conservatives whine about one or two dead G.I.'s. at Fort Hood. It is just the cost of doing business.

None of you complain about millions of refugees in Iraq. Why? Because you are well trained racists.

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