1 Ball dippingly good.

2 this is a once-in-history chance to remake the US economy into a socialist one, and that's worth losing some seats over.

That's how their leadership sees it. All else -- fiscal responsibility, their reelection chances, what's good for their constituents -- is secondary. That's why everybody on the right seems to understand how vital it is to defeat this, or at very least water it down as much as possible.

3 As a cynical commenter pointed out: There will be plenty of job opportunities for socialist bureaucrats in the Post-Obama age, so Democrats losing their seats will know they have a lucrative future in wealth redistribution.

The Deuce, you say!

4 I still love the Ace.

5 The GOP using the "power balancing" argument in 2010 is a great idea. Frame it as "Look at all the power Obama has. Shouldn't somebody be looking out for you?" Or maybe "Don't let the Democrats have all this power to change your life radically. Balance it out by voting GOP." Or something more articulate.

6

 

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7 Once again, you can't have polls without strippers. It's science.

8 This is such good news I think I'll take up POLL Dancing!

9 Support for the Carrie Prejean sex tape increased from 42% to 60%, while 40% refused to come out of their bunks.

10
PLUS...

10.2% notsofunemployment, which is really more like 20%, the Democrats are toast in 2010.

Well, unless Scary Black Mike Steele and the Republicans have anything to do about it.

11

46% of Maine GOPers disapprove of Olympia Snowe, while only 40% support her. And 59% of Maine GOPers would chose a "more conservative alternative" in a primary contest. Only 31% would stick with Snowe.

The PPP poll blog speculates that if Snowe is to continue in office, she'll have to do so as an Independent.

Unless you have a name, it's all blather.  I don't think she can win in a 3-way race.  The Dems will have their own candidate and the GOP faithful won't be willing to support Snowe.  She survives by being "the best we can hope for" in Maine.

If there's a half-decent GOP candidate in the wings, then she's toast.  Otherwise, she'll hang on like she always does.  But...she might decide to placate the base in the interim.

Given the closeness of the marriage vote in Maine, I'm surprised by the number of self-described conservatives there.  Weird.  Maybe they see themselves as fiscal conservatives.  Which I am perfectly fine with.  It's just that social liberalism usually comes with a pricetag and the "socially liberal, fiscally conservative" bunch hasn't been much of the latter.

12

They are so lured by the siren song of History, that they fail to realize that the type they are chasing after also goes by the name Infamy.

13 But,but, but,,, I've heard that Obamacare comes with an increase in the chocolate ration .
So take that , you racists hatin' on a black man .

14 30, 26, 18, 27

Those are your Maine generic ballot results for Dem, Rep, Ind, Undecided as of October 16-19, 2009.

I'm curious to read more about the swing of unaffiliated voters.  Charlie Cook says the Virginia race had national implications because of how many voters there are connected to the Federal Purse.  There, independents just killed the Democratic contenders.

Barack Obama is a one man trend line wrecker.  O's approval goes down.  The stock market goes up.  O gets elected as the most pro abortion President ever.  Americans in record numbers declare themselves prolife.

What other trends has O wrecked?

15 Why are the house democrats so insistent on getting rid of the Stupek amendment.  Clearly the bill itself is an abortion.

16

Nice numbers in Maine, but how many republicans are there in that state?  Doesn't Snowe rely on "independant" voters, in conjunction with her squish views to keep getting elected? Is there any evidence that a more conservative republican can win state-wide election in Maine?

And wasn't PPP the outfit that had NY-23 dead wrong?

17 #12. Which flies in the face of reason...every lefty I've ever met reacts to history like a vampire to a cross.

18 You know, Snowe could earn all of our gratitude if she did only two simple things. Do not cooperate with Demotards on Hellcare and Crap-and-Tax. That's all we ask. Just vote no, Olympia. That's as low as the bar can get for a RINO, and all that is necessary. Just two little "nays."

19 ...N...O...W...E.  There.  Done.

20 5 The GOP using the "power balancing" argument in 2010 is a great idea. Frame it as "Look at all the power Obama has. Shouldn't somebody be looking out for you?" Or maybe "Don't let the Democrats have all this power to change your life radically. Balance it out by voting GOP." Or something more articulate.

Don't mention Obama.  (Like Fawlty Towers and the war.)  Seriously, the only thing that is buoying the Democrats right now is the personal "popularity" of Obama.  People hate everything he does, but they feel guilty about hating him.

Run against Pelosi and Reid.  They are personally unpopular and easy to caricature.

21 Palin/Prejean sex tape futures selling well

22 Here is more good news.

23 What other trends has O wrecked?

Posted by: WTFCI at November 10, 2009 02:13 PM (GtYrq)

feminine first ladies? character? decency?

24 10.2% notsofunemployment, which is really more like 20%, the Democrats are toast in 2010.

Well, unless Scary Black Mike Steele and the Republicans have anything to do about it.

We fully expect Steele to deliver the sort of stellar perfomance that has vaulted the GOP to its current stratospheric heights.

Hello, Demotard majority 2010!

25 Given the closeness of the marriage vote in Maine, I'm surprised by the number of self-described conservatives there.  Weird.  Maybe they see themselves as fiscal conservatives.  Which I am perfectly fine with.  It's just that social liberalism usually comes with a pricetag and the "socially liberal, fiscally conservative" bunch hasn't been much of the latter.

The fascists are already working on that.  LL Bean is the new target.

I was shocked that Mainers turned out 53% in favor of Prop 1.  Even without Obama on the ballot I thought Prop 1 was toast.

26 #20

+100

27 I heard Morris last night saying that the public negatives on HC debaucle need to get to around or under 30% for it to be completely doomed. Let's keep the momentum going people.

28 So I wonder when SNL will be putting on a skit with dem candidates trying to get Barry to shove off as they did with Bush for McCain.

29 #20, sorry, but Obama must be destroyed politically in order to reverse the left's pet projects

30 Rather have an independent caucusing with the democrats, or a democrat, than a RINO.  Honestly.  What have we got to lose now?  A slim majority?  Bah

31

You know, Snowe could earn all of our gratitude if she did only two simple things. Do not cooperate with Demotards on Hellcare and Crap-and-Tax. That's all we ask. Just vote no, Olympia. That's as low as the bar can get for a RINO, and all that is necessary. Just two little "nays."

Sadly, Orwell, you are right. I think if Olympia could resist the call from history, and vote no on these things, most conservatives would give her a pass on some of the other things she does. Sadly, also, I'm, not sure she can find it in herself to vote no on these things.

32

Just two little "nays."

I wonder how many emails and calls her office received imploring her to vote against those bills? I'll bet it was more than those who wanted her to vote for them.

33

Don't mention Obama.  (Like Fawlty Towers and the war.)  Seriously, the only thing that is buoying the Democrats right now is the personal "popularity" of Obama.  People hate everything he does, but they feel guilty about hating him.

Not a problem for us dogs.

34 Yes, this would be a good chance to support a primary candidate, but only ONE and it must be a real small government conservative.  We shouold also demand that the national GOP follow their own rules and not support either primary candidate.

But even after all of that, she would probably win in the same manner that Lindsey Graham maintained control in SC.  via underhanded and sneaky tricks.

If we couldn't get rid of RINO Graham in a State as conservative as SC, it will be hard to get rid of Snowe and Collins in ME.

35

and 3, this is a once-in-history chance to remake the US economy into a socialist one, and that's worth losing some seats over.

Put a fork in it. They'll fall on their swords on this because they know they'll lose lots of seats anyway. And they have hundreds of billions of dollars available to buy the votes they can't get otherwise. Lose your seat? Not a problem. Here's forty million dollars for that NGO you were going to start up. Wink, wink.

They only check is patriotism. Is DC known for that these days?

36 Damn, I could sure use a good "Snowe job" right about now.

37 note of caution - wasn't it PPP that did the polls in NY-23 that showed Hoffman winning by a mile?

38

Democrats use history like crushed red pepper...sparingly, to add a little zing to an otherwise bland point.

I thoroughly enjoyed listening to Charlie Rangel (of all people!) lecture the CSPAN audience about how compassionate Democratic souls had to drag, kicking and screaming, the Republicans into the brave new future three times in the past:  Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid.

Too bad all three of your historical plotpoints are bleeding money from the jugular, and you've done precious little to fund your fair share for any of them, Mr. Forgetful...

39 Hey, Mallamutt, if we got those two concessions from Snowe, it would be totally worth it to reward her. I'm with Ace on being realistic about matters, and those two votes are the bare minimum required of a Republican, "moderate" or otherwise. Honestly, these matters are so overwhelming that I don't care if Snowe votes with Demotards on almost anything else in the legislative wings. Just kill Hellcare and Crap-and-Tax dead, dead, DEAD.

But:
it has always been my belief (shared by Dick Morris, who recently said the exact same thing) that only when opposition gets to 60% is ObamaCare definitely beaten. Any lower than that and there is a good chance that Democrats will ram it through anyway

So we'll probably get Hellcare unless we see a truly historic rejection of socialized medicine in the polls. And Snowe can always count on a cushy sinecure from the Demotards, perhaps a position on some Hellcare bureaucracy board to prove it's "bipartisan."

40 Prissypants he he

41 Why are the house democrats so insistent on getting rid of the Stupek amendment.  Clearly the bill itself is an abortion.

Prochoice Democrats do not want to vote against the signature issue of their lifetime.  But if they do vote for it and funding for elective abortion is out of the bill, how do they earn back credibility with the psycho wing of the left?

42 Fact I wasn't aware of: 68% of Maine GOPers consider themselves "conservative," and among that majority, 56% disapprove of Snowe.

I'd like to think that's true but why do they keep sending people like Snowe, Collins and before them William Cohen to the Senate?

68% of Rs may say they are conservatives but if Rs are only 35-40% of the voters...that's not a recipe for success.

Also, consider that Maine went 58%-40% for Obama. I'm not sure that's exactly fertile ground for a true conservative.

Yes, you've once again caught me loving RINOs.

43 LL Bean is the new target.

How so??? I thought the Mainiacs worshiped LL Bean since it brought in thousands of tourists every year.

44 As someone who goes to Main every year for vacation, in the summertime, I have never visited LL Bean.

45

Orwell- I think I would also ask she vote no on Card Check as well. Otherwise, I would agree with you.

Regarding the 30% threshold, however, I think that needs to be more a tailored approached. I think you need that in the Blue Dog/Swing districts. Probably never going to get 30% across the board, too many enclaves of blue districts to get there, plus, by writing a slanted question, you can get a poll to pretty much say what you want.

The pressure needs to be in the swing districts/"purple" states. Pressure particularly in Colorado (Bennett), Arkansas (Lincoln), for example.

 

46 68% of Rs may say they are conservatives but if Rs are only 35-40% of the voters...that's not a recipe for success.

Also, consider that Maine went 58%-40% for Obama. I'm not sure that's exactly fertile ground for a true conservative.

Yes, you've once again caught me loving RINOs.


Once again, you're comments using reason and logic disgust me. You sir, need to be stoned to death!

47 an additional note.. Maine has Rush on an FM station... which is more then I have In Pennsylvania. I have to deal with the AM squeal

48
Video from the cabinet meeting discussing the disastrous polls.

49 "...there is a good chance that Democrats will ram it through anyway, on the theories that 1, it's better to pass something unpopular than to pass nothing, and 2, it is easier to beg for forgiveness than to receive permission, and 3, No One Could Have Forseen on That Day That German Ally America Would Be Led By Man of African Descent."

50 44 As someone who goes to Main every year for vacation, in the summertime, I have never visited LL Bean.

Just don't visit Castle Rock. I've heard they have vampires, zombies, rabid St. Bernards, Satan, Oldsmobiles who are haunted, and really ugly teenage girls who have evil powers.

51 As a former resident of Maine let me address the reason why the GOP keeps sending libtards up for election.

Cause they have been infiltrated by libtards from Portland.
They have a line Scuzabeans waiting in the wings.

52 mallamutt@45
Yeah, the best bang for the buck would be to see revolt against Hellcare in blue dog districts. OTOH, Manhattan will never, ever oppose Hellcare by even 25%, I imagine.

53
I'm not sure that's exactly fertile ground for a true conservative.

We'll never know until we try it.

54

note of caution - wasn't it PPP that did the polls in NY-23 that showed Hoffman winning by a mile?

Yes - but in defense of PPP and anyother pollster in NY-23, that was a, pardon the french, bitch of a race ot poll. First, you had DeDe throwing a temper tantrum at the last minute. Second, it was an off-off year election (in otherwords, you don't generally have Congressional elections in odd number years), so there was no prior race to get an idea of what the turn out would be. Part of polling is getting the right mix of what voters are coming out so you can properly sample each group. Here, in the Maine situation, you have a little more history to get a fairly representative sample.

55 50

I have seriously had a large number of "Stephen King moments" in Maine every time I go. I can see why Stephen King is inspired by the place.

56 **Oldsmobiles who are haunted,** It was a Plymouth. You're not really Stephen King, are you???!!!!

57 Oldsmobiles who are haunted,

Oops, I meant Chryslers.

58 I have seriously had a large number of "Stephen King moments" in Maine every time I go. I can see why Stephen King is inspired by the place.

I had a Stephen King moment when I woke up November 4th, last year, and it hasn't stopped yet.

59 That said, it has always been my belief (shared by Dick Morris, who recently said the exact same thing) that only when opposition gets to 60% is ObamaCare definitely beaten.

Unfortunately, no poll numbers can be assured to constrain this feral government, led by a political suicide bomber who is interested in nothing other than exacting revenge on us. The more the polls turn against The Precedent, the harder he pushes - though he might switch to a sneakier attack, at some point.

This nation will not be safe from the Constitution-shredding, nation-killing legislation that is in the pipe for Congress until they, and The Precedent, are out of office. ANd if Congress can't get something done, there is still quite a bit of leeway in all sorts of areas for executive regulation and enforcement regimes (as with the EPA, global warming, and the new CAFE idiocy, not to mention releasing California to inflict their enviro-lunacy on the rest of the nation).

No one will be able to rest until the Washington junta is OUT. But, they are going to bring us to monetary armageddon long before that, so ...

60 The leaners have backed away from supporting Obama care to opposing it -- a 15 point net swing (support -8, oppose +7) in a month.

How's it feel? To be abandoned by the squishes? You know, the politically dense (Think black hole here), who can't see (I'd say something about bats here but they can see SOME things) a war between individualism and statism going on in their country, or are too philosophically flexible (syn. Spineless) to pick a side? You know the feel good go along types that you could pressure into eating anything on the playground just to get along and be one of the gang; Yeah, they kicked your plan to the curb. . . So be honest this is for posterity, how do you feel?

61 cynical commenter

Not really much of an identifier around here.

62 Isn't Maine the place where they have Big Foot, Wolves that are extinct, like really big things that eat dogs in one gulp. Big  White hairy things like Olympia Snowe, and others like her?

63 Unfortunately, no poll numbers can be assured to constrain this feral government, led by a political suicide bomber who is interested in nothing other than exacting revenge on us.

Perhaps a bit hyperbolic, but prescient... Obastard is no Clinton. If the Demotards get there asses handed to them in 2010, Barry will not "triangulate." He will double down. He is a radical hiding behind the tones and delivery of a harmless uncle.

64 There = their. Computer dumb, yes?

65 The trend is nice, we need those HC numbers even lower.

66 62

I've come to the conclusion that Maniacs "people from Maine" are the way they are because they get 2 months of Summer and 10 months of winter.
Therefore they are inside most of the time suffering from cabin fever.

I've never seen a wolf, or bigfoot, but I have seen scary hermits, people running down a highway with a baby looking discheveled, and other weird folk who look like they were straight out of a Stephen King novel. Its the people, not the bigfoots

67 Winning Maine depends more on what kind of conservative can win vs how conservative he/she will be.

I would say that anyone who is strong on limited government when it comes to spending and regulation--even if that means they aren't so hot on other issues--is fine by me.

Gay marriage, abortion, Nativity scenes in the courthouses, immigration... I'd sacrifice those and other issues to keep Maine and replace Snowe.

So, get on Mainers.

68 Hell, I'd take someone with the same views as Snowe as long as he was not engrossed with the love of comity and "bipartisanship."

69 58% think next pres will be a republican - doesn't mean anything 3 years out, but ya know, poll dance, strippers, etc.

70 Had a brainstorm on how to quick-respond to the "Teabag" line. Let's say you're on a show and the host asks you if you support "extremist teabaggers." Your reply: "Go teabag yourself."

71 That you would share anything with Dick Morris is disturbing.

72 The GOP using the "power balancing" argument in 2010 is a great idea. Frame it as "Look at all the power Obama has. Shouldn't somebody be looking out for you?" Or maybe "Don't let the Democrats have all this power to change your life radically. Balance it out by voting GOP." Or something more articulate.

Well, no. This sounds whiny and sour grapes. How about "this is what we stand for, vote for the GOP for these reasons instead of the other guy." Pardon me, but simply showing up as 'the opposition' doesn't cut it unless you have something else to offer. The GOP is not entitled to a share of the vote simply because they exist. People will respect a candidate who says "this is what I believe and will work for," rather than one who says "jeez the other side are really bad aren't they?"

73

I would say that anyone who is strong on limited government when it comes to spending and regulation--even if that means they aren't so hot on other issues--is fine by me.

Gay marriage, abortion, Nativity scenes in the courthouses, immigration... I'd sacrifice those and other issues to keep Maine and replace Snowe.

 

You would, but its pretty obvious that the voters of Maine have different priorities. Note the recent gay marriage vote there.

That's the funny thing about this "compromise" debate. Everybody wants to compromise on somebody elses issues, not their own. That's not really compromise, is it?

74 You would, but its pretty obvious that the voters of Maine have different priorities. Note the recent gay marriage vote there.

flenser: What happens if national figures come to Maine and urge yes votes on Prop 1?

I know social conservative positions can win.  My question is when the race pushes up the turnout then I'm pessimistic that social conservative positions can win.

75

I know social conservative positions can win.  My question is when the race pushes up the turnout then I'm pessimistic that social conservative positions can win.

 

Turnout was exceptionally high in Maine.

The California gay marriage vote coincided with the 2008 general election. Can you say "high turnout"?

 

What happens if national figures come to Maine and urge yes votes on Prop 1?

What happens if national figures go there and urge no votes? But the election is already over anyway.

76 Just don't visit Castle Rock. I've heard they have vampires, zombies, rabid St. Bernards, Satan, Oldsmobiles who are haunted, and really ugly teenage girls who have evil powers.

Posted by: Stephen King at November 10, 2009 02:36 PM (nxUYP)

We have 'em here in Augusta at the State Legislature, too.

77 colin wept

78 ...it is easier to beg for forgiveness than to receive permission...

It's easier to beg for it, yes.

Acutally being forgiven is a different matter...

79 Obama....

The constant lying.
The childish whining. The staggering arrogance.
The dangerous narcissism. The astounding incompetence.

The Obama Buffoon wants to put as much of the private economy under government control as possible to create his nanny state utopia where he is the boy king.

Let's continue to stand strong against Obama in every way and get Congress out of the hands of the insane Pelosi and Reid in 2010.

Obama is a smug, smirking con man. Nothing more.   

80 With ObamaCare needing to fill 111 boards and commissions, I gather that Democrats thrown out in 2010 believe they'll still be "employable".

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82 So, Olympia Snowe cheeses off the Conservative Republicans in Maine. They mount a primary challenge against her. If they win, she endorses the Democrat. State-run media cites this as more evidence that the Republican Party is just a regional party. I figure a losing Primary challenge is probably the best course. It sends a message to Ms. Snowe to dance with the one who brought her.

However, my premise is that she'll endorse the Democrat if she loses a primary challenge. How can the party bosses ensure she really is a Republican?

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   One of our lefty channels did an online poll.  Not many responded but...

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Here is the official question and results of the 445 people who voted.

If President Obama's visit to Elmendorf Air Force Base on Thursday was open to the public, would you try to attend? Yes   35 % No  65 %    I'm proud to be an Alaskan...

85

Call me cynical, but it occurred to me last night that, gee, I wonder if this healthcare package is just a sly and slippery back door method of obtaining long-sought-after reparations for descendants of slaves.

When one read some of the passages in that legislation, one is struck by the wiley extent to which those passages have been tailored to accommodate a specific minority more so than a majority of that legislation's intended recipients.

 Any astute observer has noticed in recent years, also, that the black caucus controls Congress, and except for handful of Blue Dog Democrats, other Democrats are too intimidated and too wassy to stand up to the black caucus; the most vocal and the most powerful group in the House Of Representatives.

86 Snowe's real electoral strength here in Maine is that the Democrats consistently run freaks-o-nature against her. There are some sensible Democrats here and I suspect one of the things they're sensible about is letting their lunatic fringe waste itself trying to replace a Senator the cannier Dems are comfortable with anyway.

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