Carrie Prejean: So I Made This Sex Tape, See...?

The pageant's lawyers presented it to get her to back down off her lawsuit.

Carrie Prejean wasn't the only member of her family who got a peek at Carrie's solo sex tape -- TMZ has learned her MOM was in the room when the Miss California USA lawyers pressed play.

Sources tell TMZ Carrie's mom was in shock -- instantly turning sheet white as she watched her daughter give herself a hand.

As TMZ first reported, it took all of 15 seconds for Carrie to drop her $1 million demand from the Pageant people after the XXX tape was played.

Video of her talking with Hannity below.

Posted by: Ace at 11:25 PM



Comments

1 opps

Posted by: SOME ASSHOLE STOLE MY PEN at November 09, 2009 11:27 PM (+d5Tk)

2 Jesus Christ, it's not like she was starring in a Tijuana Donkey Show.

If a woman can't strum the baloney banjo on tape for her boyfriend's benefit, then the terrorists have already won.

Posted by: apotheosis at November 09, 2009 11:28 PM (xWk3U)

3 our oops

Posted by: SOME ASSHOLE STOLE MY PEN at November 09, 2009 11:28 PM (+d5Tk)

4 I'm going to bed never mind.

Posted by: SOME ASSHOLE STOLE MY PEN at November 09, 2009 11:28 PM (+d5Tk)

5 "solo sex tape"

Uhhh, I'm not sure that's possible.

Posted by: Basic, b v at November 09, 2009 11:29 PM (SL3qo)

6 This tape proves Gay Marriage prevents cancer in mice.

Posted by: eman the Moderate at November 09, 2009 11:31 PM (jJ2r1)

7 5: yes it is. Don't ask how I know

Posted by: eddiebear at November 09, 2009 11:31 PM (rUmZc)

8 Allah be praised, a new story! We can stop talking about that thing in that southern state last week.

Posted by: CNN, The Most Trusted Name in Quote Manipulation at November 09, 2009 11:32 PM (C51o4)

9 Wow. So few comments. Where is everyone?

In unrelated news: Google's servers just caught on fire.

Posted by: 29Victor at November 09, 2009 11:32 PM (AfPnb)

10 Good little Christian girl with a secret life? That's my best guess.

Posted by: arhooley at November 09, 2009 11:33 PM (jwoys)

11 This whole thing is fake...

Posted by: yarrrrr at November 09, 2009 11:33 PM (oivbi)

12 So is there any women in a pageant who hasn't posed nude or made a sex tape?

Because that's my new default assumption.

Posted by: Mætenloch at November 09, 2009 11:33 PM (naB0i)

13 Ok, where's the link to the tape, morons? Must. See. The. Video.

You know, just to see if it really is actually a sex tape is all like TMZ said it was.

Posted by: scottythrust at November 09, 2009 11:33 PM (oBJkk)

14 I'll be in my bunk.

Posted by: DaveS at November 09, 2009 11:33 PM (A0glY)

15 Okay, so can we never hear from this hypocritical Christian EVER AGAIN?
What a skank.

Posted by: barbelle at November 09, 2009 11:34 PM (qF8q3)

16 I like this American media.

Posted by: Joseph Goebbels at November 09, 2009 11:34 PM (T0NGe)

17 If she still wants a million dollars I'm pretty sure she can get it by marketing the tape.

Posted by: The Chewbacca Defense at November 09, 2009 11:34 PM (YMZjg)

18 Attention American Public!

Recording devices are everywhere and anything you say or do can be recorded and used against you someday.

Avoid them at all cost.

Posted by: eman at November 09, 2009 11:35 PM (jJ2r1)

19 Folks, you're getting played... this whole Prejean controversy has been staged from the very beginning...

Here's the thing though... there are pro-gay marriage(Perez Hilton, guy who runs Pageant in CA) and anti-gay marriage(Pastor, Maggie Gallagher) people in on it... so I have no idea where this is leading to...

Posted by: yarrrrr at November 09, 2009 11:36 PM (oivbi)

20 15
Okay, so can we never hear from this hypocritical Christian EVER AGAIN?
What a skank.
Posted by: barbelle at November 09, 2009 11:34 PM (qF8q3)
What are you, a homo?

Posted by: Jim in San Diego at November 09, 2009 11:36 PM (H7Rlw)

21 Sorry to be OT, but does anyone know why that asswipe Marc Lamont Hill was back on O'Reilly? I thought Obama's little fanboy was fired in September.

Posted by: Miss Fluffy McNutter at November 09, 2009 11:38 PM (xMSXs)

22 How is this not extortion on the pageants part?

Posted by: Buffalobob at November 09, 2009 11:38 PM (S3mpA)

23 Uh, Carrie, why don't you tell us the young boyfriend's name?

Goose...gander...

Posted by: AmishDude at November 09, 2009 11:39 PM (T0NGe)

24 Am I the only one who doesn't really care?

Posted by: Mrs. Peel at November 09, 2009 11:40 PM (9xiOC)

25 We bid 6000 Quatloos for the tape, or 3Quatloos for the Adobe Flash version.

Posted by: The Providers at November 09, 2009 11:40 PM (mKpVf)

26 22
How is this not extortion on the pageants part?

It's not extortion when *we* do it!

Posted by: Lawyers at November 09, 2009 11:40 PM (T0NGe)

27 Prejan, party of one?

Posted by: laceyunderalls at November 09, 2009 11:40 PM (esVQA)

28 She might as well make some midget porn now.

A buck is a buck.

Posted by: eman at November 09, 2009 11:40 PM (jJ2r1)

29 I thought "solo sex tape" involved a male moron watching a gal like Carrie Prejean doing something lie that?

Posted by: exdem13 at November 09, 2009 11:41 PM (lYKj1)

30 A solo sex tape, huh? That's certainly not a sex-sex tape.

Posted by: progressoverpeace at November 09, 2009 11:41 PM (A46hP)

31 Oh God, can't she just go away. I guess when you've got a book to sell ...

Posted by: Girl Thursday at November 09, 2009 11:41 PM (wDSxN)

32 21 Sorry to be OT, but does anyone know why that asswipe Marc Lamont Hill was back on O'Reilly? I thought Obama's little fanboy was fired in September.
Posted by: Miss Fluffy McNutter at November 09, 2009 11:38 PM (xMSXs)
right-o. I asked this earlier in the ONT. no answer. bizarro

Posted by: laceyunderalls at November 09, 2009 11:42 PM (esVQA)

33 Two sets of rules.

Posted by: Z Ryan at November 09, 2009 11:42 PM (cMo6P)

34 She made the tape at Sarah Palin's house.

Posted by: CNN at November 09, 2009 11:43 PM (jJ2r1)

35 If this is a "sex tape" I feel much, much better about my love life. Turns out I'm practically Wilt Chamberlain.

Posted by: Basic, b v at November 09, 2009 11:43 PM (SL3qo)

36 I question the timing.

Posted by: MoJoeTee at November 09, 2009 11:44 PM (mKpVf)

37 Ummm I'm turned on. Hot Christian Girl touching herself. God IS Good! Thank You Lord! If your're Gay after this.... you're Gay!

Posted by: Indian Outlaw at November 09, 2009 11:44 PM (8zsWd)

38 Who would have known, that back when this tape was being made, that eventually, sometime later on, I would be the leader of the country where I am from?

Posted by: President Manchild at November 09, 2009 11:44 PM (tahIV)

39 31
Oh God, can't she just go away.

After what they did to her, I'll suffer with her getting facetime whenever she wants.

Posted by: AmishDude at November 09, 2009 11:45 PM (T0NGe)

40 Oh, good lord, doesn't CNN have better chickens to keep on fucken?

Posted by: DelD at November 09, 2009 11:45 PM (SMVMK)

41 I take it there's nothing about this newly admitted episode in her new book.

If so, double "oops".

Posted by: Albus at November 09, 2009 11:45 PM (E0yE8)

42 So? Let me see if I get this straight:
The President of the United States getting a blow job in the Oval Office is not "sex", but a beautiful girl on her own is a "sex tape"?
I guess the left is pushing for uni-marriage, now.

Posted by: progressoverpeace at November 09, 2009 11:45 PM (A46hP)

43 She made the tape at Sarah Palin's house.

Our Unimpeachable Source - Levi Johnston

Posted by: CNN, The Most Trusted Name in Quote Manipulation at November 09, 2009 11:45 PM (C51o4)

44 So, let me see if i understand.....

A woman does a little hotness in a private vid for her boyfriend, and that means we should abandon the thousands year old tradition of man/woman marriage? Allrighty then.


Posted by: koopy at November 09, 2009 11:45 PM (GJfTu)

45 What are you, a homo?
No, just someone with, you know, standards. I doubt there's a number high enough to go after "sloppy" where Prejean is concerned. I understand that, by order of the Health Department, she has to hang a sign from her navel stating "Enter At Your Own Risk."
I'm also female and am not particularly keen with people on my side ofa political argument exposing themselves as worthless trash. But hey, maybe she can get a reality show on cable now.

Posted by: barbelle at November 09, 2009 11:45 PM (qF8q3)

46 Ummm, where can I get that tape???

Posted by: Uncle Jefe at November 09, 2009 11:46 PM (CMPXK)

47 #35 LOL

Posted by: apotheosis at November 09, 2009 11:47 PM (xWk3U)

48 Judgmental much, Barbelle? I hope you're perfect when the democrat media complex decides to destroy you.

Posted by: Z Ryan at November 09, 2009 11:48 PM (cMo6P)

49 Apparently barbelle has the skinny on Prejean's entire sex life.

Please do share!

Posted by: Rickshaw Jack at November 09, 2009 11:48 PM (tahIV)

50 Roll Tape!!! please, young Christians want to know!!

Posted by: Indian Outlaw at November 09, 2009 11:48 PM (8zsWd)

51 Perez Hilton and Levi Johnston could not be reached for comment. But both left semen samples.

Posted by: George Orwell at November 09, 2009 11:48 PM (AZGON)

52 We have obtained an exclusive clip from this Prejean sex tape.

*Shows donkey scene from "Batchelor Party"*

Posted by: CNN at November 09, 2009 11:48 PM (jJ2r1)

53 A woman does a little hotness in a private vid for her boyfriend, and that means we should abandon the thousands year old tradition of man/woman marriage?
Heh, hardly. But, it wouldn't hurt to have a Voice of Morality actually be vocalized by someone moral.

Posted by: barbelle at November 09, 2009 11:48 PM (qF8q3)

54 You people a fucking gullible for believing this shit...

The new miss cali is going to be on Ellen

http://twitter.com/realtamifarrell

A miss cali contestant for san francisco I think is a Ellen intern...

Do you this is all an accident?



Posted by: yarrrrr at November 09, 2009 11:49 PM (oivbi)

55 Copyright? She didn't copyright it did she... idiot.

Posted by: Druid at November 09, 2009 11:49 PM (Gct7d)

56 39- I do believe she was treated badly, but she also seems to play up the victim card, and I find that very off-putting.

Posted by: Girl Thursday at November 09, 2009 11:50 PM (wDSxN)

57 Wasn't there a chick from Disney who sent nude pics to her boyfriend? Nobody seemed to have much of a problem with that.

Posted by: koopy at November 09, 2009 11:50 PM (GJfTu)

58 32 right-o. I asked this earlier in the ONT. no answer. bizarro
Damn. I cannot stand that idiot.I couldn't believe the showwhere O'Reilly solicited his opinion on what our policy to Iran should be. That was it for me. They had this guy on everywhere giving opinions on topics for which he was completely unqualified to speak with any authority. I couldn't just hit the mute button anymore, I had to change channels when that ass was on.

Posted by: Miss Fluffy McNutter at November 09, 2009 11:50 PM (xMSXs)

59 No, just someone with, you know, standards.
Don't kid yourself. Just by reading your post I can tell your don't have any standards, and are not abovecalling another girl a slut justto make your point.

Posted by: Jim in San Diego at November 09, 2009 11:51 PM (H7Rlw)

60 We bid 6000 Quatloos for the tape, or 3 Quatloos for the Adobe Flash version.

I'd bid only a Quatloo and a half for the Flash version, and you have to throw in a freebie of some kind to sweeten the deal. Like a Wet-Nap, or a ballpoint pen.

Posted by: George Orwell at November 09, 2009 11:51 PM (AZGON)

61 51Perez Hilton and Levi Johnston could not be reached for comment. But both left semen samples.

TOO funny!!

Agiain,,, roll tape... I NEED PROOF!!! errr something

Posted by: Indian Outlaw at November 09, 2009 11:51 PM (8zsWd)

62 barbelle=concern troll

Posted by: Boris Badenoff at November 09, 2009 11:52 PM (Poe30)

63 Wait, sex tapes are amoral?

Posted by: apotheosis at November 09, 2009 11:52 PM (xWk3U)

64 Wonder if Hannity will ever wash that hand again.

Posted by: Big Fat Meanie at November 09, 2009 11:53 PM (DPM1U)

65 Judgmental much, Barbelle? I hope you're perfect when the democrat media complex decides to destroy you.
Sanctimonius much, Pervert? I figured I'd get no support from the Lovers of Free Porn around here. Try releasing your grip and some of that blood might flow back into your brain.
Prejean gave these creeps the gun with which to shoot her. She needs to be tossed aside and ridiculed. She deserves to be tossed aside and ridiculed.
Or just forgotten. That'll work, too.

Posted by: barbelle at November 09, 2009 11:53 PM (qF8q3)

66 Big Hollywood (http://bighollywood.breitbart.com) has the smartest, most on the ball news in entertainment media, bar none, by far.

You've been peddling this conspiracy around, Yarrrrr (oivbi). I don't know where the hell you're getting this. If there's anything to it you'd hear it on Big Hollywood.

Posted by: Z Ryan at November 09, 2009 11:53 PM (cMo6P)

67 Rule one: If you plan on becoming famous and part of your schtick it to be a "wholesome Christian woman", don't make a sex tape.

Posted by: Elroy Jetson at November 09, 2009 11:53 PM (NrDdW)

68 Okay, Barbelle.

Posted by: Z Ryan at November 09, 2009 11:54 PM (cMo6P)

69 I, for one, am outraged going to be scouring the internet until I can find it for, uh, research purposes.

Posted by: Fortunate Son at November 09, 2009 11:54 PM (B7kwl)

70 Hold on, is amoral the bad one? Or is it immoral that is the bad one?

I forget.

Posted by: Rickshaw Jack at November 09, 2009 11:55 PM (tahIV)

71 Or just forgotten. That'll work, too.
Posted by: barbelle at November 09, 2009 11:53 PM (qF8q3)
You first, trailer trash.

Posted by: Jim in San Diego at November 09, 2009 11:55 PM (H7Rlw)

72 devout christian women have vaginas?
more importantly, why did the california pagent council(?) have this tape?

Posted by: Ben at November 09, 2009 11:55 PM (bftbi)

73 I'm not trying to start a "big tent" flame war over here, but this is exactly whyI think morality has noplace in politics. First of all, it's not something anyone of can even define. And I realize that reject Perez set her up with that question. But she made herself out to a role model after the fact, so the cupcake better suck it up.
Who amongst us has not made a poor sexual decision in their lifetime? If you become a public figure, expect the shitstorm when your own hypocrisy is exposed. If you can't deal with it, best to keep your lip zipped.

Posted by: laceyunderalls at November 09, 2009 11:55 PM (esVQA)

74 Lousy audition tape, if you ask me. She's too flat, anyway.

Posted by: Russ Meyer at November 09, 2009 11:56 PM (AZGON)

75 Not sure which is worse in this situation. The lawyers who blackmailed their way out of paying damages... or the hypocritical shitheads that cry about Prejean being (insert expletive) because she solo'd on tape.
Give me a fucking break, the only people that could condemn her and get away with it are people who have never masturbated. And from what i'm reading the only people condemning her are people who will always be forced to masturbate since they have no social skills to get it on with any member of the opposite sex with out spending the weekly allowence they get while living in their parents basement. You should be thanking her for giving you an opportunity to have something hetero to masturbate to.


Posted by: mr_e_m_t at November 09, 2009 11:56 PM (dATiL)

76 "as she watched her daughter give herself a hand"

I'll pay fifty bucks to watch the Mom watch her "give herself a hand" (split screen), provided she watched the whole thing, and if it ain't the whole hand, I want my money back, plus LDs of $10,000 per minute or fraction thereof.

Posted by: Druid at November 09, 2009 11:56 PM (Gct7d)

77 barbelle=concern troll
Boris = Moron. How many times do youmouth breathersneed to be straightened out on this? Check previous threads, you'll find others, including Ace, explaining in small words I'm not a troll.
Are you so married to your myopia that any opinion outside of your own has to be emanating from a fraud?

Posted by: barbelle at November 09, 2009 11:56 PM (qF8q3)

78 Who amongst us has not made a poor sexual decision in their lifetime?


And fucking HOW!

Posted by: Max Glutes at November 09, 2009 11:57 PM (tahIV)

79 "
You've been peddling this conspiracy around, Yarrrrr (oivbi). I
don't know where the hell you're getting this. If there's anything to
it you'd hear it on Big Hollywood."

Um no, puhlease the lawyer who makes frequent posts on Big Hollywood is in on it too... his posts sound so cartoonish...

Posted by: yarrrrr at November 09, 2009 11:57 PM (oivbi)

80 Rule one: If you plan on becoming famous and part of your schtick it
to be a "wholesome Christian woman", don't make a sex tape.

I missed when that was her schtick. I thought she was just some hot chick that said gay marriage is a bad idea. Apparently this means you can't win a beauty pageant, wear a bikini, or play with yourself.

Posted by: Tom in Korea at November 09, 2009 11:57 PM (nS7nk)

81 Sending nude pics/vids to your
boyfriend/girlfriend is pretty common these days. More to do with the
available technology than lack of morals i think.

Posted by: koopy at November 09, 2009 11:58 PM (GJfTu)

82 I love how Hannity is so shocked that someone would keep and then sell the video.

Posted by: Girl Thursday at November 09, 2009 11:58 PM (wDSxN)

83 barbelle and Elroy are right.

Carrie Prejean, the Regular American Woman, can make a sex tape and likely it will mean nothing.

Carrie Prejean, the Christian Polly Purebread and Victim of the Left, not so much.

Posted by: eman at November 09, 2009 11:59 PM (jJ2r1)

84 BTW folks....

let me tell you the future....

it will turn out she never really made a sex tape...

Posted by: yarrrrr at November 09, 2009 11:59 PM (oivbi)

85 67Rule one: If you plan on becoming famous and part of your schtick it to be a "wholesome Christian woman", don't make a sex tape (if you are Rosie)
Unless you are hot! Then ask for forgiviness and let my people go! God is good! And She is hot...

Posted by: Indian Outlaw at November 09, 2009 11:59 PM (8zsWd)

86 But, it wouldn't hurt to have a Voice of Morality actually be vocalized by someone moral.

Posted by: barbelle at November 09, 2009 11:48 PM (qF8q3)
That isn't the way morality works. Morality isn't a goal, it's a journey.
Look, I realize that, being as brilliant as I am, that people think that I must be a god, but I am not. I am, believe it or not, imperfect.Yes, it's true. I am not, in fact, Jesus Christ and Carrie Prejean is not a nun.
But instead of wallowing in the muck, I realize what the better path is, and strive for it as best as I can. I don't give up just because metaphysical perfection is impossible.She did it as a teenager, she regrets it. That's how morality works.

Posted by: AmishDude at November 10, 2009 12:00 AM (T0NGe)

87 "She deserves to be tossed aside and ridiculed."

As we didn't elect her to office, from what will she tossed from?

Hey, I'm agnostic, but I thought the tradition involved more forgiveness and something about the sin and not the sinner.

For me, she was young and did something foolish. She was never my leader so why should I feel like tossing her aside and ridiculing her?

Posted by: Basic, b v at November 10, 2009 12:00 AM (SL3qo)

88 Carrie Prejean wasn't the only member of her family who got a peek at Carrie's solo sex tape -- TMZ has learned her MOM was in the room when the Miss California USA lawyers pressed play.
Sources tell TMZ Carrie's mom was in shock -- No one could have foreseen that day that America would be led by a man of African descent.

Posted by: Dirk Diggler at November 10, 2009 12:00 AM (EQbjX)

89 "it will turn out she never really made a sex tape..."

eh, let me take that back... I'm not so sure about that...

Posted by: yarrrrr at November 10, 2009 12:00 AM (oivbi)

90 More to do with the
available technology than lack of morals i think.

Not that it's a good idea, since a lot of those pics/vids will inevitably end up on the web even if you're not famous.

Posted by: koopy at November 10, 2009 12:00 AM (GJfTu)

91 You first, trailer trash.
Wow, no wonder you have no problem with Prejean's hypocrisy. One of Jerry's Kids could come up with a better one-liner.

Posted by: barbelle at November 10, 2009 12:02 AM (qF8q3)

92 instantly turning sheet white
RACIST!

Posted by: DAVID DUKE at November 10, 2009 12:02 AM (UaSIe)

93 You know, she could prove she doesn't hate teh gheys but doing another sex tape...with another beauty contestant.

I'm all about the healing and lesbian pr0n but mostly lesbian pr0n.

Posted by: DrewM. at November 10, 2009 12:02 AM (FCWQb)

94 Okay, making a sex tape = always a bad idea, but how is this not blackmail? I know we have some lawyerly types around here who could explain this to my poor stupid self...

Posted by: Angry Beaver at November 10, 2009 12:02 AM (XFrSe)

95 Barbelle needs to get laid about twenty years ago.

Posted by: Lover of Free Porn at November 10, 2009 12:03 AM (f4sLg)

96 83 barbelle and Elroy are right. Carrie Prejean, the Regular American Woman, can make a sex tape and likely it will mean nothing. Carrie Prejean, the Christian Polly Purebread and Victim of the Left, not so much.
Posted by: eman at November 09, 2009 11:59 PM (jJ2r1)
Well how many "regular american women" go around speaking at "family values" conventions? This is one of several reasons indpendents (ya know, the voters we need to carry our elections) roll their eyes at the GOP.

Posted by: laceyunderalls at November 10, 2009 12:03 AM (esVQA)

97 Hold on, is amoral the bad one? Or is it immoral that is the bad one?I forget.
it's immoral you couldn't tell the difference.

Posted by: Ben at November 10, 2009 12:04 AM (bftbi)

98 Give me a fucking break, the only people that could condemn her and get away with it are people who have never masturbated.

I think that is the original quote, but the translation is "Let he who is without sin cast the first stone."

Posted by: AmishDude at November 10, 2009 12:04 AM (T0NGe)

99 Prejean gave these creeps the gun with which to shoot her. She needs to be tossed aside and ridiculed. She deserves to be tossed aside and ridiculed.

Or just forgotten. That'll work, too.



Posted by: barbelle at November 09, 2009 11:53 PM (qF8q3)
Such hostility. Prejean was never anything but a beautiful girl (really beautiful) who gave a decent and honest answer to a moronic question foisted upon her and had the media machine come down on her as few have ever experienced. She handled herself very well through that process and never claimed to be an angel of any sort. She believes that "marriage" is between two sexes, as it is. Big deal. SHe takes the view that society has had for thousands of years, with even polygamy being nothing more than multiple heterosexual pairings. Is that shocking?
Now, it turns out that she was a bit wild as a teenager and stupidly made a video of herself masturbating - which Jocelynn Elders was trying to get everyone to do - and you think she's the whore of babylon. Please.

Posted by: progressoverpeace at November 10, 2009 12:04 AM (A46hP)

100 So, she was a teen who made a tape of herself friggin the riggin? BFD. I thought it was going to be some threesome with farm animals stuff. Why are people so interested in slamming someone who believes in God? It sounds like how they treat freaking Miley Cyrus. Just because you are a believer doesnt make you Mother Theresa. Good gravy.

Posted by: di butler at November 10, 2009 12:04 AM (S3xX1)

101 I'm not trying to start a "big tent" flame war over here, but this is exactly whyI think morality has noplace in politics.
Hmm. This isn't politics. It's a beauty pagent.
Oh, and non sequitur.

Posted by: flenser at November 10, 2009 12:05 AM (iioms)

102 "Perez Hilton and Levi Johnston could not be reached for comment. But both left semen samples"
On In one another...

Posted by: Uncle Jefe at November 10, 2009 12:05 AM (CMPXK)

103 It's not blackmail because she fucking deserves to be spat on like the harlot of Babylon she is!
At least that is what I am getting from barbelle.

Posted by: Rickshaw Jack at November 10, 2009 12:05 AM (tahIV)

104 91
You first, trailer trash.
Wow, no wonder you have no problem with Prejean's hypocrisy. One of Jerry's Kids could come up with a better one-liner.
Posted by: barbelle at November 10, 2009 12:02 AM (qF8q3)
Concern trolls don't warrant much effort on my part. Would you rather a string of obscenities?
But, let's get back to your version of morality and your so-called 'Christaniness'.
You lied and implied she was promiscuous. If you are not a liar, please give us a cite on that accusation.

Posted by: Jim in San Diego at November 10, 2009 12:05 AM (H7Rlw)

105 I can haz?

Posted by: Bob Sacomano at November 10, 2009 12:06 AM (4Mm8r)

106 I'll pay fifty bucks to watch the Mom watch her "give herself a hand" (split screen), provided she watched the whole thing, and if it ain't the whole hand, I want my money back, plus LDs of $10,000 per minute or fraction thereof.Posted by: Druid at November 09, 2009 11:56 PM (Gct7d)

Let's just say that if the reports are true, Mom is quite familiar with getting a hand from other women.

It a pretty sordid mess. And yes, I watch all the videos.

Posted by: Mætenloch at November 10, 2009 12:06 AM (naB0i)

107 Barbelle actually makes a valid point, she just made the mistake of attacking the morons' precious.

Posted by: Girl Thursday at November 10, 2009 12:06 AM (wDSxN)

108 The left loves to do crap like this: set up a conservative critic of leftist policy as a hypocrite. It's part of the standard playbook. Of course it's idiotic, since no one is perfect and hence no one will be able to fulfill the libs' increasing demands. It's like if you advocate tax cuts, because you believe that people who have more of their own money would be able to donate more to private charities, the libs will claim that anyone who doesn't donate the equivilent of their federal income taxes is evil, or something.

Apparently, you have to be Jesus to be in favor of traditional marriage, because anyone else probably has some sin that they haven't confessed, and unless you're perfect you can't impose your morality on others.

There is no perfect spokesman. There's a time to cut your losses, though. They should've got out of this attempt by the libs to make her a hypocrite the moment this became an issue. She should've said, "I'm in favor of traditional marriage because it's the right thing to do, end of story. I'm not perfect and no one else is, but traditional marriage is right and that's what we should have. Period." People have to understand that they can not achieve the standards that the libs will impose on them, and so they shouldn't even bother. The way to win is to reject their premises.

Posted by: Sydney Carton at November 10, 2009 12:06 AM (na1Ey)

109 I hope you all know this has nothing to do with what Prejean did in private.

After Rush you should all see by now the goal is to refuse any and all conservatives participation in society. You're to be smeared, ridiculed, lied about, attacked, refused business transactions. You can't buy this team, you can't participate in this pageant, you can't buy this home and you can't shop at this store. Do you think the standards being applied to Ms. Prejean are for any other reason?

Do you think those standards are for everyone else?

Posted by: Z Ryan at November 10, 2009 12:07 AM (cMo6P)

110 That Veronica Vaughan is one piece of aish. Trust me, I know.

Posted by: Zombie Chris Farley at November 10, 2009 12:07 AM (2p0e3)

111 Parents of teenage girls should be thrilled to have such exemplars as Levi Johnston and the douchebag boyfriend who sold this tape to hold up as object lessons for their daughters who are being taught that "sexting is no big deal, everybody does it", "but he loves me and would love our baby too".

It is especially delicious that the voices most vehement in their vicious condemnation of these girls are coming from the same quarters that are usually so insistent upon defining deviancy downwards and advocating the degradation of young girls as "natural".

"Yes darling, it can be difficult to be labeled a prude and laughed at by your peers when they ape popular culture but that just doesn't compare to the humiliations they will be gleefully visit upon you once they can use evidence of your willingness to go along with what "everybody else" is doing at the time to label you a whore and a slut."

Posted by: Deety at November 10, 2009 12:07 AM (aVzyR)

112 Holy crap. How have I managed to date (and marry one of) the only 10 women in the entire world unwilling to have sex on camera (um, with me)?

It's like every chick I've ever been with once had a mother-daughter talk about how good girls should not flick their bean, keep the back door closed to visitors large and small, not kiss girls when drunk even if it's Mardi Gras and your husband's friend's wife is willing to and she's really hot, ask why there is tape covering the record light on the video camera, etc, etc. What are we? Quakers?

Mmmm....mother-daughter Quakers....


Posted by: corky at November 10, 2009 12:07 AM (O+ZPW)

113 Give me a fucking break, the only people that could
condemn her and get away with it are people who have never masturbated.


Posted by: mr_e_m_t at November 09, 2009 11:56 PM (dATiL)

people who have never masturbated on tape you mean. Who the hell records themselves stroking it?
Oh yeah....and sexting? It's always a stupid fucking idea girls.

Posted by: Rocks at November 10, 2009 12:07 AM (MTcoh)

114 DrewM is thinking like a true AoSHQ Moron should.

You have earned a Platinum Mancard.

Posted by: eman at November 10, 2009 12:08 AM (jJ2r1)

115 How fucking stupid is the GOP? They embrace a Carrie and endup looking like douche bags to the rest of America. Pelosi givinghead to Denny Kucinich on YouTube wouldn't hurt the Leftnearly as bad as this Prejean does the Right. The Dems, in totaldisarray, reeling in hypocrisy, can snatch victory from theseputzes that bellow "conservatism" and can't walk the walk.
Idiots on the Right assure the perpetual vibrancy of the Left.




Posted by: Trajan at November 10, 2009 12:08 AM (xq+9b)

116 How many times do youmouth breathersneed to be straightened out on this? Check previous threads, you'll find others, including Ace, explaining in small words I'm not a troll.
No, you're definitely a troll. Regardless of whether Ace uses big words or small.

Posted by: flenser at November 10, 2009 12:09 AM (iioms)

117 She said she was a teenager. She didn't say how old she was.

Methinks we may never see this tape, inasmuch as it is probably classified as child porn.

If that's the case, anyone in possession of that take could be in real trouble.

Posted by: AmishDude at November 10, 2009 12:09 AM (T0NGe)

118 It a pretty sordid mess. And yes, I watch all the videos.Posted by: Mætenloch at November 10, 2009 12:06 AM (naB0i)

Oops - I meant I would watch all the videos. Which there aren't sadly.

Posted by: Mætenloch at November 10, 2009 12:09 AM (naB0i)

119 2 Jesus Christ, it's not like she was starring in a Tijuana Donkey Show.If a woman can't strum the baloney banjo on tape for her boyfriend's benefit, then the terrorists have already won.
Posted by: apotheosis at November 09, 2009 11:28 PM (xWk3U)
Greatest sentence ever written by mortal hands.

Posted by: The Drizzle at November 10, 2009 12:09 AM (PEr+c)

120 WOW! Some of the Moronettes really, really, hate good looking women.

Posted by: Jim in San Diego at November 10, 2009 12:09 AM (H7Rlw)

121 Barbelle, you've spewn a lot of venom for someone from "our" side. Towards a young woman who, like most people, will make most of their mistakes when they are young.
"How many times do youmouth breathersneed to be straightened out on this?"

Sanctimonius much, Pervert? I figured I'd get no support from the Lovers of Free Porn around here. Try releasing your grip and some of that blood might flow back into your brain.
Prejean gave these creeps the gun with which to shoot her. She needs to be tossed aside and ridiculed. She deserves to be tossed aside and ridiculed And to start this Christian love-fest off.....
No, just someone with, you know, standards. I doubt there's a number high enough to go after "sloppy" where Prejean is concerned. I understand that, by order of the Health Department, she has to hang a sign from her navel stating "Enter At Your Own Risk."
I'm also female and am not particularly keen with people on my side ofa political argument exposing themselves as worthless trash. But hey, maybe she can get a reality show on cable now.
Like I said, a lot of venom...

Posted by: Boris Badenoff at November 10, 2009 12:09 AM (Poe30)

122 I'm liking this girl more everyday.

Posted by: Dr. Spank at November 10, 2009 12:09 AM (muUqs)

123 Let's just say that if the reports are true, Mom is quite familiar with getting a hand from other women.

NO, I meant the teen giving herself a hand!

Posted by: Druid at November 10, 2009 12:10 AM (Gct7d)

124 HALF WORKS FOR A LIVING, HALF VOTES FOR A LIVING.
Noobies!

Posted by: Nekkid Patriots at November 10, 2009 12:10 AM (UaSIe)

125 99- She is a very beautiful girl, and she was treated very badly in a way that she didn't bring upon herself. And I fully understand why many people looked to her as a symbol for their frustrations over liberal steamrolling. But at some point she chose to make a career out of her victimhood--even when she was still employed by the Miss USA organization. I personally don't care about her sex tape; it seems to be the one thing lately that she's actually taking responsibility for.

Posted by: Girl Thursday at November 10, 2009 12:11 AM (wDSxN)

126 But it's not sex sex. You know what I mean.

Posted by: Whoopi Goldberg at November 10, 2009 12:12 AM (xMBqb)

127 How fucking stupid is the GOP? They embrace a Carrie and endup looking like douche bags to the rest of America.

I don't recall ever embracing Carrie. And I'm pretty sure I'd remember ifI had.
If the "rest of America" cares more about her sex life than their own unemployment and shrinking investment portfolios then they are too damn stupid to worry about.
You social liberals do crack me up though.

Posted by: flenser at November 10, 2009 12:13 AM (iioms)

128 Mrs. Prejean's morality or lack of judgement is not the issue. She was asked a very direct question about gay marriage, she answered honestly,and was savagely attacked by trash media like TMZ becauseher answer didn't fit the approved PC template.
Curiously, Barack Obama's position on gay marriage was (and remains) identical to Mrs. Prejeans.Nary a peep from the perpetually "outraged" gay mafia.

Posted by: Dirk Diggler at November 10, 2009 12:13 AM (EQbjX)

129 Andy Warhol Corollary:

Everybody will be famously publicly embarrassed for 15 minutes.

Posted by: Guy Fawkes at November 10, 2009 12:13 AM (DIYmd)

130 120 WOW! Some of the Moronettes really, really, hate good looking women.
Posted by: Jim in San Diego at November 10, 2009 12:09 AM (H7Rlw)
I call bullshit on that statement. I think she's free to do whatever the hell makes her happy--stupid decisions and all. I just don't want her to be our de facto "spokeswoman of morality". In fact I'd do away with discussions of morality completely but as I'm not over at Reason, I will let that go.

Posted by: laceyunderalls at November 10, 2009 12:13 AM (esVQA)

131 120- I knew that was coming. You know, because a woman can't have legitimate reasons for disliking another woman.

Posted by: Girl Thursday at November 10, 2009 12:14 AM (wDSxN)

132 Despite the situation at hand...I mean....dammit...

Posted by: fbundy at November 10, 2009 12:16 AM (r0XCX)

133 128


Curiously, Barack Obama's position on gay marriage was (and
remains) identical to Mrs. Prejeans.Nary a peep from the perpetually
"outraged" gay mafia.



If the attacks on Prejean are any indication, i'd say that's a good thing. I really don't want to see a vid of Obama strokin' the presidential podium.

Posted by: koopy at November 10, 2009 12:16 AM (GJfTu)

134 131 120- I knew that was coming. You know, because a woman can't have legitimate reasons for disliking another woman.
Posted by: Girl Thursday at November 10, 2009 12:14 AM (wDSxN)
And those legitimate reasons would be ...what? So she's not a fan of gay marriage, so what. It that really that big of a big deal to you?

Posted by: Jim in San Diego at November 10, 2009 12:16 AM (H7Rlw)

135 Hey, what happened to barbelle?

Posted by: Jim in San Diego at November 10, 2009 12:18 AM (H7Rlw)

136 That isn't the way morality works. Morality isn't a goal, it's a journey blah blah blah...
That was quite a sermon. Nice to see that Prejean regretted this so much that she hid it from everyone until she made a few bucks off of being a spokesperson for a moral cause. And now it comes out,oh YEAH, she regrets this, too. Does she have anything else she's going to regret we'll find out down the road after the Left gets their mileage out of this turn?
'Course, if Prejeanburned the flag or took a picture standing on it,but she tells us she regrets it after someone else exposes her, she can still be a spokesperson for patriotism and no conservatives would be permitted to reject her and doubt her word? Apparently not; in fact, they would all be subjected to varied and similarly lame insults.
Yeh, I have the impression that if it weren't a hot chick"regretting" a sex tape then the multiple tunes singing the same song in this thread would be different.
I know for a fact that any Leftist who regrets it when they "misspeak" -- a lesser transgression -- are not cut any slack around here...and deservedly so. How can you hold the other side to a level you refuse to hold your own to?
Sigh. There was once a time when the term "moron" around here was a joke.

Posted by: barbelle at November 10, 2009 12:18 AM (qF8q3)

137 I think I missed the part where we elected her to "hot chick of morals and all that shit".

People who feel burned should examine themselves rather than the people who realize she's... an ex-beauty pageant contestant.

Posted by: Basic, b v at November 10, 2009 12:18 AM (SL3qo)

138 hey barbelle,

there's a story about a mote and a beam I heard one time. You might like it.

Sanctimony will send you downstairs just as fast as a lusty heart.

Posted by: hobgoblin at November 10, 2009 12:18 AM (vEwzd)

139 134- I'm fine with her stance on gay marriage, and I couldn't care less about her sex tape. I'm just tired of her martyr schtick.

Posted by: Girl Thursday at November 10, 2009 12:20 AM (wDSxN)

140 But at some point she chose to make a career out of her victimhood--even when she was still employed by the Miss USA organization.

Posted by: Girl Thursday at November 10, 2009 12:11 AM (wDSxN)
She didn't make a victim of herself. They kept going after her, and they were vicious about it. I don't remember hearing her whine about anything that wasn't happening - though I can't say I was always listening to her. She was being a nice girl.
I only wish that the video the LA SLimes is still holding onto, of The Precedent and his buddy Khalidi toasting the death of Israel, can find its way out someday. I'd like to hear someone mention that, since we are talking about videos ...

Posted by: progressoverpeace at November 10, 2009 12:21 AM (A46hP)

141 "'Course, if Prejeanburned the flag or took a picture standing on
it,but she tells us she regrets it after someone else exposes her, she
can still be a spokesperson for patriotism and no conservatives would
be permitted to reject her and doubt her word?"

Yes, those two things, taking care of herself and burning a flag are completely similar.

What planet are you from exactly?

Posted by: Basic, b v at November 10, 2009 12:21 AM (SL3qo)

142 Jeez...If God didn't want women to masturbate, every man out there would be perfect lovers. As it is...well...sometimes a girl's gotta do what a girl's gotta do.
Doesn't mean they aren't a Christian. Prejean just made the mistake of filming it, and, evidently, gave it to a BF that's a skuz bucket that gave it to the attorneys.
If you want to beat up on somebody, he's the one you need to kick in the groin!

Posted by: Steph at November 10, 2009 12:22 AM (/CtkQ)

143 I know for a fact that any Leftist who regrets it when they "misspeak" -- a lesser transgression -- are not cut any slack around here...and deservedly so. How can you hold the other side to a level you refuse to hold your own to?

There you go wth your creepy morality fetish again.
When the left starts holding their own side responsible, get back to me on this.

Posted by: flenser at November 10, 2009 12:22 AM (iioms)

144 The Precedent and his buddy Khalidi toasting the death of Israel, can find its way out someday. I'd like to hear someone mention that, since we are talking about videos ...
Rashidi.
It's tough to keep the Precedent's ring of America-hating buddies straight without a scorecard, these days.

Posted by: progressoverpeace at November 10, 2009 12:23 AM (A46hP)

145 and is this really the hill to die on? shit, you might as well be standing up for veganism on this board.



Pride is as loathsome a disease as those you so casually accuse this young woman of having.


and so I keep my moron quotient up, it would seem that barbelle and GT have been shocked, yes shocked to find a significant other observing said tape in a moment of similar pleasure.

Posted by: hobgoblin at November 10, 2009 12:23 AM (vEwzd)

146 This story really smells fishy.

Posted by: eman at November 10, 2009 12:24 AM (jJ2r1)

147 140- Yes, but nothing was ever her fault. The topless pictures were because of the wind. Now, the boob job was forced on her by the pageant. And, yes, even though they were horrible to she did shirk some of her responsibilities to the Miss USA organization. A friend of mine was Miss NC a few years back, and it is a full-time job that doesn't leave time for all of the Hannity-type interviews she was doing. She may not have made herself a victim, but she sure ran with it.

Posted by: Girl Thursday at November 10, 2009 12:25 AM (wDSxN)

148 I invite everyone to read what I said. All of it. Then ask yourself if that warrents being called "sanctimonious" and a "pervert," by Barbelle.

Then read what Barbelle said, and ask yourself if it's sanctimonious and perverted.

I report, you decide.

Posted by: Z Ryan at November 10, 2009 12:25 AM (cMo6P)

149 139 134- I'm fine with her stance on gay marriage, and I couldn't care less about her sex tape. I'm just tired of her martyr schtick.
Posted by: Girl Thursday at November 10, 2009 12:20 AM (wDSxN)
And so I will re-ask my question, in a different way. What should she have done differently? I don't see how she had much choice in how she was portrayed, yet you do. So, what should she have done, or said,differently?

Posted by: Jim in San Diego at November 10, 2009 12:25 AM (H7Rlw)

150 'Course, if Prejeanburned the flag or took a picture standing on it,but she tells us she regrets it after someone else exposes her, she can still be a spokesperson for patriotism and no conservatives would be permitted to reject her and doubt her word? Apparently not; in fact, they would all be subjected to varied and similarly lame insults.

You're being subjected to varied insults for being a silly andobnoxious bitch, not for objecting to Prejean burning the flag.

Posted by: flenser at November 10, 2009 12:25 AM (iioms)

151 See I guess I never Tivo'd every speaking engagement Carrie P had, so I am uncertain as to her victimhood status.

Maybe it's just me, but I kinda thought that a beauty pageant contestant might not be the one to unfurl my banner of righteousness behind, as she leads me to the moral and philosophical battlefield.

Posted by: Rickshaw Jack at November 10, 2009 12:26 AM (tahIV)

152 GT, that's a relief.

Being sick of the false martyrdom is a much better reason for disliking her than because she's not a paragon of chaste virtue

Posted by: hobgoblin at November 10, 2009 12:26 AM (vEwzd)

153 Nice to see that Prejean
regretted this so much that she hid it from everyone until she made a
few bucks off of being a spokesperson for a moral cause.I didn't read her book, but in the vid, she alludes to other activity but not this specific incident that she regrets. I haven't followed the Prejean case, but if she'd set herself up as a singular moral paragon, then I'll take it back.
You are simply saying that no one can be in favor of sexual restraint if they have not been completely restrained themselves.
If she were to be in favor of self-marriage, then yes, she'd be a hypocrite.
Does she have anything else
she's going to regret we'll find out down the road after the Left gets
their mileage out of this turn?

Should she have to catalog all of the possible murderous thoughts she's had over the past few months? Is TMZ the new confessional?

Can she be in favor of healthy eating and sneak a milkshake?

Hypocrisy is being a liberal Democrat and evading taxes.

Posted by: AmishDude at November 10, 2009 12:27 AM (T0NGe)

154 145- Except that I'm not shocked at all. You're confusing me with someone else. Actually, probably the positive thing about the story of this tape is that it drives home the point that conservative women aren't asexual prudes.

Posted by: Girl Thursday at November 10, 2009 12:27 AM (wDSxN)

155 Who's appointed her a "spokeswoman for morality"? I don't much care about her morals (although if masturbating on cam is the worst she's done, she's better than most of us at that age).

Anyway preserving the definition of marriage isn't about morality; it's about tradition and order. That would be good enough for Burke and should be good enough for the rest of us.

Posted by: Zimriel at November 10, 2009 12:28 AM (yt2K4)

156 I wonder if O'reilly will be calling her on the back line? If you know what I mean? *wink* *wink*

Posted by: Mr. Pissed at November 10, 2009 12:28 AM (EL+OC)

157 Sigh. There was once a time when the term "moron" around here was a joke.
Posted by: barbelle at November 10, 2009 12:18 AM (qF8q3)
Really....I can't tell if you're a concern troll, or trying to out-staunch the conservatives here, or just pissed you're not preaching to an Amen choir, but get a sense of perspective here. Save this amount of outrage over say, creeping socialism, or stealth jihadi's, or whatever. There's a lot of serious shit going on, and this is the hill you die on?
And you call us the morons???

Posted by: Boris Badenoff at November 10, 2009 12:29 AM (Poe30)

158 149- See #147.

Posted by: Girl Thursday at November 10, 2009 12:29 AM (wDSxN)

159 But, let's get back to your version of morality and your so-called 'Christaniness'.
Show me where I EVER said I wasa Christian, LIAR.
Like I said, a lot of venom...
I just don't feel even a little sorry for treading on your sensibilities, Precious.
No, you're definitely a troll. Regardless of whether Ace uses big words or small.
You've always been a douche, Flenser. As they say, don't abuse the privilege.
- and you think she's the whore of babylon. Please.
Eh, I don't think she's attained that yet. Give her a couple of weeks.

Posted by: barbelle at November 10, 2009 12:29 AM (qF8q3)

160 She should seriously stop apologizing for this. To call it "The biggest mistake of my life" is ridiculous. She did NOTHING WRONG.


Posted by: Lee at November 10, 2009 12:30 AM (TcVyy)

161 probably the positive thing about the story of this tape is that it drives home the point that conservative women aren't asexual prudes.
Get out!
I think a quick glance at the average ONT would have the same result.

Posted by: flenser at November 10, 2009 12:30 AM (iioms)

162 I think I can measure Barbelle's blood pressure from the text.

Posted by: Z Ryan at November 10, 2009 12:30 AM (cMo6P)

163 Anyway preserving the definition of marriage isn't about morality; it's about tradition and order. That would be good enough for Burke and should be good enough for the rest of us.
Posted by: Zimriel at November 10, 2009 12:28 AM (yt2K4)
Unless you happen to look good in a bikini and were clever enough to get a sillyorganization to pay for your boob job; they you are a deplorable false martyr.

Posted by: Jim in San Diego at November 10, 2009 12:30 AM (H7Rlw)

164 I dunno.

What's with all the vehemence against Barbelle?

Perhaps if Ms. Prejean had had a few more vocal Barbelles in her life she might have been too ashamed to even contemplate making the "harmless" little video that appears to have turned out to have been destructive to her best interests.

What's wrong with a little shame?



Posted by: Deety at November 10, 2009 12:31 AM (aVzyR)

165 A friend of mine was Miss NC a few years back, and it is a full-time
job that doesn't leave time for all of the Hannity-type interviews she
was doing.

Call me Ishmael, but I would think the NC pageant officials would have been thrilled (with a capital "T") if Miss NC showed up on a national cable show or a syndicated radio show or the like. They likely would have canceled whatever mall opening she was scheduled for to do it.

Posted by: AmishDude at November 10, 2009 12:31 AM (T0NGe)

166 147 - Yes, but nothing was ever her fault. The topless pictures were because of the wind. Now, the boob job was forced on her by the pageant.
Meh. She's a model. A few hundred years ago whe would have been sitting nude for a painter.
And, yes, even though they were horrible to she did shirk some of her responsibilities to the Miss USA organization. A friend of mine was Miss NC a few years back, and it is a full-time job that doesn't leave time for all of the Hannity-type interviews she was doing.
The fact is that she garnered that pageant more publicity - and not bad publicity, because she is so gorgeous - than they have ever had before. They more than got their money out of her, and they squeezed every penny from her that they could.
She may not have made herself a victim, but she sure ran with it.

Posted by: Girl Thursday at November 10, 2009 12:25 AM (wDSxN)
I didn't see it. But I didn't see her much, except when she showed up on Hannity or something, or with blog articles. She took far more abuse than many in recent memory. For what? For being normal.

Posted by: progressoverpeace at November 10, 2009 12:33 AM (A46hP)

167 Hey, no one ever said she was the brightest bulb on the christmas tree, (at least I hope they didnt), but this seems like a non-issue to me. She has been attacked, attacked, attacked, all for the sport of libs. I will defend her for that reason only. Plus, with all the sexting going on these days, if guys hold onto that stuff, I am sure there are going to be many, many more embarassed famous women in the future.

Posted by: di butler at November 10, 2009 12:33 AM (S3xX1)

168 What's with all the vehemence against Barbelle?

What's with Barbelle's vehemence against me? Seriously. Read what I wrote. Read what she said about me.

I report. You decide.

Posted by: Z Ryan at November 10, 2009 12:33 AM (cMo6P)

169 You're hot Carrie, but really, you're 15 minutes are up sorry.

Posted by: Samuel Adams at November 10, 2009 12:34 AM (nxUYP)

170 What's wrong with a little shame?


Nothing at all, in fact, one can say it is the biggest thing our society lacks.

But one thing we have in abundance, as witnessed by our friend barbelle here, is prudish, Pharisaical pride

Posted by: hobgoblin at November 10, 2009 12:34 AM (vEwzd)

171 87
"She deserves to be tossed aside and ridiculed... I doubt there's a number high enough to go after "sloppy" where Prejean
is concerned. I understand that, by order of the Health Department,
she has to hang a sign from her navel stating "Enter At Your Own Risk."

------------------------------

Jesus Christ, do you have a source for any of this, Barbelle? Because all I've heard is that she made a buffin' the muffin vid for a contemptible swine of a boyfriend. Big f***in' deal.

You must have named yourself after the object lodged in your ass.

I've always found the girl a bit tiresome, but the venom being spewed by the Moronettes just confirms my wife's theorem of feminine relationships: A woman's hatred and bile for another woman is directly proportionate to the target's attractiveness.

Posted by: schizuki at November 10, 2009 12:34 AM (SuGDg)

172 You've always been a douche, Flenser.
Oh, boo hoo! Barbelle doesn't like me! Whatever shallI do?
As they say, don't abuse the privilege.
Calliing you a stupid bitch is more a right than a privilege.

Posted by: flenser at November 10, 2009 12:34 AM (iioms)

173 Was Prejean honest with her supporters since this whole gay marriage question incident happened?

Posted by: eman at November 10, 2009 12:34 AM (jJ2r1)

174 What's wrong with a little shame?
Posted by: Deety at November 10, 2009 12:31 AM (aVzyR)
When it comes from sanctimonious lyinghypocrites, there is a lot wrong with it.

Posted by: Jim in San Diego at November 10, 2009 12:34 AM (H7Rlw)

175 160
She should seriously stop apologizing for this.

I don't think so.

To call it "The biggest mistake of my life" is ridiculous.

I agree.

She did NOTHING WRONG.

I disagree, but it's a 1.2 on the concern scale.

But what I want to know is, are the Miss USA lawyers and TMZ in possession of child pornography?

Posted by: AmishDude at November 10, 2009 12:35 AM (T0NGe)

176 Is there a troll here?

Posted by: Samuel Adams at November 10, 2009 12:35 AM (nxUYP)

177 Jesus wouldn't' have forgiven her. That's all I know. And he would have told her to support gay marriage when asked about it.

Posted by: Z Ryan at November 10, 2009 12:35 AM (cMo6P)

178 I helped on a study for a psychology class in college.
One of the things that they found was that conservative husbands and wives were more likely to be swingers than liberal ones. I think the prof/author attributed it to repressed sexuality or some such claptrap.

So stick that in your pipe and smoke it!

Also look me and my commonlaw wife up on adultfriendfinder!

Posted by: Rickshaw Jack at November 10, 2009 12:36 AM (tahIV)

179 165- I was just pointing out that being a Miss Wherever is a full-time job for a year. And when you give interviews it's as Miss Wherever, not as yourself. It's part of the contract they sign. So when the organization said she was shirking her duties, they were probably right about that. They were her employer, which doesn't excuse them from treating her shitty, but does give them some rights over her time.

Posted by: Girl Thursday at November 10, 2009 12:36 AM (wDSxN)

180 over/under on barbelle's weight?


244


Posted by: hobgoblin at November 10, 2009 12:36 AM (vEwzd)

181 Deety, this whole thread would have gone different is dumbelle hadn't come in like her hair was on fire and Prejean started the fire. I am not wrapping my morals up in the flag of Prejean, she's not the standard bearer of anything in my book. And yes, a little shame would do her some good (like she's getting now and hopefully learns from).
But mostly barbelle is all about making herself the center of attention. So she is.

Posted by: Boris Badenoff at November 10, 2009 12:36 AM (Poe30)

182 Posted by: Girl Thursday at November 10, 2009 12:36 AM (wDSxN)

Does that include carpet munching? I really need to know.

Posted by: Vanessa Williams at November 10, 2009 12:37 AM (nxUYP)

183 Perhaps if Ms. Prejean had had a few more vocal Barbelles in her life she might have been too ashamed to even contemplate making the "harmless" little video committed suicide at an early age.

Posted by: flenser at November 10, 2009 12:37 AM (iioms)

184 Barbelle, please tell me again what I said that was
sanctamonious
or
perverted.

I'd like the quote. You do one for me then I'll do one for you.

Posted by: Z Ryan at November 10, 2009 12:38 AM (cMo6P)

185 "Anyway preserving the definition of marriage isn't about morality;
it's about tradition and order. That would be good enough for Burke and
should be good enough for the rest of us."

Works for me. If we work through a decade or two and everything seems to be working out the other way, that works for me, too.

At the same time, I think all of this comes down to taxing (directly and indirectly) single people. I'm willing to help out people with kids. The rest of you (gay, infertile, unpopular, gamers) can get bent.

Posted by: Basic, b v at November 10, 2009 12:38 AM (SL3qo)

186 184 Barbelle, please tell me again what I said that wassanctamoniousorperverted.I'd like the quote. You do one for me then I'll do one for you.
Posted by: Z Ryan at November 10, 2009 12:38 AM (cMo6P)
Good luck Z Ryan. She's already been outed as a liar.

Posted by: Jim in San Diego at November 10, 2009 12:39 AM (H7Rlw)

187 173
Was Prejean honest with her supporters since this whole gay marriage question incident happened?

She never set out to be the spokesbabe for anything except maybe California. She had the temerity to give an honest answer, when it would have been easier to do otherwise. That's it.

Posted by: AmishDude at November 10, 2009 12:39 AM (T0NGe)

188 171- Except for there are many gorgeous women (e.g. Palin) that we seem to have no problems with. And there are many hideous women (e.g. Clinton) that we do.

Posted by: Girl Thursday at November 10, 2009 12:39 AM (wDSxN)

189 "Eh, I don't think she's attained that yet. Give her a couple of weeks."

This whole thing is fake...

I guarantee you if there is a "sex tape" it will be no more risqué than her "nude" pictures... the guy from thedirty.com has been hyping this sex tape since april... and the idea that he would hold onto it and never release it is just ridiculous...

http://thedirty.com/category/miss-good-finger/

Posted by: yarrrrr at November 10, 2009 12:39 AM (oivbi)

190 Jim, but then I'll never never get to my turn.

Posted by: Z Ryan at November 10, 2009 12:39 AM (cMo6P)

191 over/under on barbelle's weight? 244
She didn't pick that nickname by chance.

Posted by: flenser at November 10, 2009 12:39 AM (iioms)

192 Ah yes, her "topless" photos. Those were as advertised by the left-press. Weren't they?

Weren't they?!!

Posted by: Z Ryan at November 10, 2009 12:40 AM (cMo6P)

193 So when the organization said she was shirking her duties, they were probably right about that.

Nooooo. Publissssssity! It burns us!

Posted by: Miss USA pageant at November 10, 2009 12:41 AM (T0NGe)

194 Was Prejean honest with her supporters since this whole gay marriage question incident happened?

She never set out to be the spokesbabe for anything except maybe California. She had the temerity to give an honest answer, when it would have been easier to do otherwise. That's it.
Posted by: AmishDude

It has been many months since that incident. My question regards hers honesty since then. Was she honest?

Posted by: eman at November 10, 2009 12:42 AM (jJ2r1)

195 190 Jim, but then I'll never never get to my turn.
Posted by: Z Ryan at November 10, 2009 12:39 AM (cMo6P)
Just keep bangin' on her!
Hey barbelle, it's easy to be chaste when you are so fat and ugly nobody will have sex with you.

Posted by: Jim in San Diego at November 10, 2009 12:42 AM (H7Rlw)

196 Shit, that's nothing. Let's say I was sorta embarrassed to be reminded that the video of my son's birth was taped over his, ah, conception. I thought it would be a swell idea to invite my family over to watch, and watch they did! I'm proud to say the conception took longer than the birthing as was evidenced by hospital footage leading into some bow-chica-wow-wow, but it did take some time before mom and sisters would look me in the eye. My brothers slapped me some skin on the way out.

Posted by: stitches at November 10, 2009 12:42 AM (KyqYb)

197 Pageant duties, maybe. Maybe standards applied fairly to all. Or it could all have been an excuse to ostracize someone for being a conservative.

I have my suspicions it's one of those.

Posted by: Z Ryan at November 10, 2009 12:42 AM (cMo6P)

198 180
over/under on barbelle's weight?244

Um, i don't know if barbelle wants me to mention this, but i will say that i've seen a picture of her and she is a hot babe. And no, i'm not joking. And she's not a troll.

Posted by: koopy at November 10, 2009 12:43 AM (GJfTu)

199 There's a lot of serious shit going on, and this is the hill you die on?
O Give Me A Break. What on earth makes you think I'm outraged about this? Do you really thinkmy postsin this thread are over the top? Dude, sack up. I've been far worse about far more important issues.
And, my, just look at how many hills have popped up! Lo, so manyupon which to die. Let me clue you in on the obvious; nothing outrages theMale Moronso much as havingHisfantasies trodden upon, hence the staunch defenders of Victim Carrie go forth to do battle rather than actually considering the harm she has done.If she's not worth the conflict, thenwhy bother? I could say the answer is that it's Monday night and not quite bedtime. More accurately, I was hoping to see the conservative posters here actually choose Standards over Double Standards, but I expected, and unfortunately found, otherwise.
And, speaking of it being No Big Deal, then how about YOU shut your face about it?

Posted by: barbelle at November 10, 2009 12:44 AM (qF8q3)

200 Jim 163: Maybe my problem with Prejean is that I don't think her reason for opposing gay marriage was valid. Her reason was faith-based and she's made a big deal about her faith in general. And since then she's been playing up how mean everyone is being to her. She's made it All About Her.

That sucks for the conservative side, and will ultimately not be good for her either.

Not exactly sure if it's worth it to attack her for her attention-whoring though. I don't enjoy the idea of marching beside Perez Hilton and the like.

Posted by: Zimriel at November 10, 2009 12:44 AM (yt2K4)

201 I'm still trying to figure out what she did that was so wrong.

I've got a couple of Bible-thumper friends, and while I've heard them opine tiresomely about various aspects of sexual morality, I've never heard them say anything about masturbation. Maybe some Baptist types on this board can clear that up, but it seems to me that they don't think it's that huge a deal. Probably because there's no mutual touching or deflowering going on. I dunno.

I mean... seriously. WTF?

Posted by: schizuki at November 10, 2009 12:44 AM (SuGDg)

202 And she's not a troll.
What is she, a goblin?

Posted by: flenser at November 10, 2009 12:45 AM (iioms)

203 She should seriously stop apologizing for this. To call it "The biggest mistake of my life" is ridiculous. She did NOTHING WRONG.

Posted by: Lee at November 10, 2009 12:30 AM (TcVyy)

Yeah, filming yourself having sex, alone or not, is wrong and vain. Giving it to someelse is just plain fucking stupid. I don't care what they say or how much they love you. Just plain fucking stupid.

Posted by: Rocks at November 10, 2009 12:45 AM (MTcoh)

204 Hey barbelle, it's easy to be chaste when you are so fat and ugly nobody will have sex with you.
So speaks the voice of personal experience.

Posted by: barbelle at November 10, 2009 12:45 AM (qF8q3)

205 barbelle is a hot babe?

Yes!

BTW, she goes way back and is not a troll.

Posted by: eman at November 10, 2009 12:46 AM (jJ2r1)

206 pics please
trust.....but verify

Posted by: torabora at November 10, 2009 12:46 AM (7iv2W)

207 It has been many months since that incident. My question regards hers honesty since then. Was she honest?

Who cares? See, I'm not going to put this gal up on a pillar because the left tells me to. Why is it some of us conservatives have to let the media tell us who our leaders are? As far as I'm concerned Carrie P is not fit to lead a shift at the local Burger King. And NOT because she diddled on tape.

Posted by: Rickshaw Jack at November 10, 2009 12:46 AM (tahIV)

208 Oh geez, it was pretty foolish for me to get involved with this thread as it has had a pretty predictable turnout: Don't mess with a chick who guys think is hot; otherwise, you're a jealous shrew.

Just for the record: I have no problem with her beauty, I have no problem with masturbation, and I DO have a problem with the way she was treated after the Miss USA contest. However, she does have some annoying qualities that people who don't want to have sex with her are able to see, which is why I personally am sick of hearing about her.

So, I'll travel on to another thread now.

Posted by: Girl Thursday at November 10, 2009 12:47 AM (wDSxN)

209 BTW, she goes way back and is not a troll.
Posted by: eman at November 10, 2009 12:46 AM (jJ2r1)
'Just a liar then. Got it!

Posted by: Jim in San Diego at November 10, 2009 12:48 AM (H7Rlw)

210 What on earth makes you think I'm outraged about this?
Your comments.

What a skank.
I understand that, by order of the Health Department, she has to hang a sign from her navel stating "Enter At Your Own Risk."

And the sheer number of them.

Posted by: flenser at November 10, 2009 12:48 AM (iioms)

211 #57...You got hawt pics of Minnie Mouse???? share?

Posted by: torabora at November 10, 2009 12:48 AM (7iv2W)

212 When the left starts holding their own side responsible, get back to me on this.
Ah, moral equivalency. Makes life easy to live when you can be a sack of crap. You keep going with what works for you, hon, but I tend to strive for more than those whom I oppose. It's one of many things that makes my position right and theirs wrong.

Posted by: barbelle at November 10, 2009 12:49 AM (qF8q3)

213 207,

It was not the left that urged you to uplift Prejean, was it?

Posted by: eman at November 10, 2009 12:49 AM (jJ2r1)

214 She should have lied and supported gay marriage when asked.

I get it now. Be perfect or liberal or you'll be kicked out of society.

I'm going under cover. Yes sir, I'm a socialist, Yes sir, marriage means two guys together. Yes sir, I feel terribly guilty over my typical whiteness. I'm so sorry for using the term "sir," superior-transsexual-individual.Please let me walk the street and spend money on food, property and whatever I need. Please.

Posted by: Z Ryan at November 10, 2009 12:49 AM (cMo6P)

215 Girl Thursday, I'm getting the impression that the flamewar is about angry commenters smacking each other, and not about the issues; I think most of us agrees with all your points on the issues, to some degree.

Yeah, this thread is done.

Posted by: Zimriel at November 10, 2009 12:49 AM (yt2K4)

216 Could be that she's a young 20 something doing the typical stupid shit that young 20 something girls do. Maybe she'll grow up when she gets older. Still think that her 15 minutes are up.

Posted by: Vanessa Williams at November 10, 2009 12:50 AM (nxUYP)

217 Not seeing the hypocrisy... thinking marriage should be an issue left to the states means you can't make a sexy tape for your lover? Wha? She didn't say pornography should be illegal, did she?

Posted by: Leftwing Lie Detector at November 10, 2009 12:50 AM (DtTM9)

218 1) Everyone of us have done the same thing she did with our own appendages. Most of us today.

2) If she videotaped it, so be it. If she didn't keep the lid on the videotape, it'll get out, famous or not. See all the "ex-GF" vids on the web right now. Her fault imo.

3) Most of us (trolls aside) would give the same answer she did right now about gay marriage given the microphone and a chance.

So what? One has nothing to do with the other. If she was not physically attractive, no one would care.

Posted by: Doc at November 10, 2009 12:50 AM (rzJpR)

219 BTW, she goes way back and is not a troll.
Posted by: eman at November 10, 2009 12:46 AM (jJ2r1)

Shegoes way back and is a troll. Hell, at least palin steele was amusing.

Posted by: flenser at November 10, 2009 12:51 AM (iioms)

220 212
When the left starts holding their own side responsible, get back to me on this.
Ah, moral equivalency. Makes life easy to live when you can be a sack of crap. You keep going with what works for you, hon, but I tend to strive for more than those whom I oppose. It's one of many things that makes my position right and theirs wrong.
Posted by: barbelle at November 10, 2009 12:49 AM (qF8q3)
Then when did telling outrageous lies become a cornerstone of morality in your universe?

Posted by: Jim in San Diego at November 10, 2009 12:51 AM (H7Rlw)

221 However, she does have some annoying qualities that people who don't
want to have sex with her are able to see, which is why I personally am
sick of hearing about her.by: Girl Thursday

I've never been one to go gaga and be blinded by an attractive girl. But these other qualities about her, whatever your problems with her. They're no one's business. This isn't my business or yours or the left-wing press'. And that's the point. Not anything about what she did either way. It's about whether it's right to destroy her like this.

Posted by: Z Ryan at November 10, 2009 12:51 AM (cMo6P)

222 "See, I'm not going to put this gal up on a pillar because the left
tells me to. Why is it some of us conservatives have to let the media
tell us who our leaders are? As far as I'm concerned Carrie P is not
fit to lead a shift at the local Burger King. And NOT because she
diddled on tape."

'Cause it needs saying again.

What position does she hold? If I didn't care about her in the positive yesterday, why should I start caring about her in the negative today?

Why do women hate each other so much?

Posted by: Basic, b v at November 10, 2009 12:52 AM (SL3qo)

223 It was not the left that urged you to uplift Prejean, was it?
Yes when the left starts headlining that she is some super anti gay marriage advocate, they are de facto putting her on a pillar for the conservatives.

Posted by: Rickshaw Jack at November 10, 2009 12:53 AM (tahIV)

224 Fine, tie her to a stake and burn her, if it makes you feel so much better about yourself.
'night morons

Posted by: Boris Badenoff at November 10, 2009 12:54 AM (Poe30)

225 209,

I have never been given reason to think barbelle is a liar.

She does get into a lot of arguments.

She is very tough and very smart, but not always right.

That's the way Life is.

Posted by: eman at November 10, 2009 12:55 AM (jJ2r1)

226 You are no longer allowed to have anything embarrassing, private or not, if you are a conservative.

The point is to make it so you have NO PRIVACY, at all. And to embarrass you into silence.

So when you find something that's none of your business, look at those spreading it and what they want from you.

Posted by: Z Ryan at November 10, 2009 12:55 AM (cMo6P)

227 As far as I'm concerned Carrie P is not fit to lead a shift at the local Burger King. And NOT because she diddled on tape.

We disagree. In our experience, Ms. Prejean is entirely unfit to lead a shift at Burger King precisely because she has demonstrated a willingness to diddle and possibly engage in other personal activities on tape.

Trust us.

This shit has consequences.

Posted by: Burger King LLC at November 10, 2009 12:55 AM (aVzyR)

228 I tend to strive for more than those whom I oppose. It's one of many things that makes my position right and theirs wrong.

Like most trolls, you combine the intellect of a worm with the conceit of an Obama. That's not an accurate description of the divide between the right and left. Try striving for some humility.

Posted by: flenser at November 10, 2009 12:55 AM (iioms)

229 It has been many months since that incident. My question regards hers honesty since then. Was she honest?

Honestly, I dunno. I haven't followed her that closely. I'm not sure what you want her to be honest about.

I've got a couple of Bible-thumper friends, and while I've heard them
opine tiresomely about various aspects of sexual morality, I've never
heard them say anything about masturbation.

Interestingly, AFAIK, there is nothing in the bible about (1) female masturbation or (2) lesbianism. There's one passage about "spilling your seed" and a few references to "laying with a man as with a woman."

These things don't come out of nowhere. Pregnancy without marriage -- bad. Sexual disease-spreading activities -- bad. Masturbating -- yeah, sure, it isn't great, you shouldn't do it, so uh don't.

Posted by: AmishDude at November 10, 2009 12:55 AM (T0NGe)

230 barbelle,
As a goodlooking, social,, heterosexual male not living in his parent's basement,and longtime lurker I want to say I agree with you 100%
I entered this topic to see if Miss P would be vigorously defended and unfortunately I was correct.

Posted by: anon at November 10, 2009 12:56 AM (j/wD+)

231 Well, all I've been is right and all that's happened here from those who disagree is my character has been impugned.

I encourage you all to give up all of your privacy.

Posted by: Z Ryan at November 10, 2009 12:57 AM (cMo6P)

232 Sure, Prejean got a tough question, but not nearly as bad as Miss Nevada: If you had three kittens, what would you name them?

Posted by: Cincinnatus at November 10, 2009 12:58 AM (f4sLg)

233 'Just a liar then. Got it!
Hey Liar, where'd I say I was a Christian? WHERE?
LOL, putz.
What on earth makes you think I'm outraged about this?
Your comments.
Then you're an idiot.
What a skank.
I understand that, by order of the Health Department, she has to hang a sign from her navel stating "Enter At Your Own Risk."
...Because that was SERIOUS. Incidentally, they don't really make signs like those. Well, except the one you use that glues to your lower back hair, so really, you may not have recognized that as a joke.
And the sheer number of them
...because I'm not permitted to, you know, respond to the vast number of commentswithout being emotionally charged. Creep out of medieval times, Snooks, and realize that a female doesn't have to be outraged, annoyed, or even peeved to outclass you.

Posted by: barbelle at November 10, 2009 12:58 AM (qF8q3)

234 225 209, I have never been given reason to think barbelle is a liar. She does get into a lot of arguments. She is very tough and very smart, but not always right. That's the way Life is.
Posted by: eman at November 10, 2009 12:55 AM (jJ2r1)
Go back and re-read this thread, and then get back to me. Here, I'll make it easy for you, barbelle's own words from this very thread:
"No, just someone with, you know, standards. I doubt there's a number high enough to go after "sloppy" where Prejean is concerned. I understand that, by order of the Health Department, she has to hang a sign from her navel stating "Enter At Your Own Risk." "
Yep, she's a liar!

Posted by: Jim in San Diego at November 10, 2009 12:58 AM (H7Rlw)

235 Why do we continue to argue about this girl. She's a typical immature college aged girl. Yeah, it was nice to see her stand on her principles and give a big F-U to the ghey fascists, but sorry, she needs to go away and come back when she's in her thirties after life kicks her in the ass a little bit and she gains a mature perspective. In other words: I don't give a fuck what someone in their late teens and early twenties say. Just shut up and look good, or hit a home run, or recite your lines properly, or throw a td pass, or dunk a basketball. Other than that, unless your fighting for your country, I don't give a fuck what you say. With age comes wisdom. Then I'll listen.

Posted by: Samuel Adams at November 10, 2009 12:59 AM (nxUYP)

236 Prejean's answer to Perez Hilton is not what I am asking about. Iam asking about her behavior since then.

Did she paint an image of herself that was not honest?

Posted by: eman at November 10, 2009 12:59 AM (jJ2r1)

237 She was asked the question. She stands there and looks good, but part of the role is also answering questions when asked.

Posted by: Z Ryan at November 10, 2009 01:00 AM (cMo6P)

238 What Rickshaw Jack said.

Posted by: di butler at November 10, 2009 01:01 AM (S3xX1)

239 It's all just a STORY about pics until there ARE pics.
trust...but verify

What has been seen cannot be unseen.
shesesh...this place is getting dangerously close to Gawker today.

Posted by: torabora at November 10, 2009 01:01 AM (7iv2W)

240 216
Could be that she's a young 20 something doing the typical stupid shit that young 20 something girls do.

Actually, she says (a) she's currently 22 and (b) the "tape" was made when she "was a teenager". My question still is: How old was she, exactly?

Posted by: AmishDude at November 10, 2009 01:02 AM (T0NGe)

241 Like most trolls, you combine the intellect of a worm with the conceit of an Obama.
That's right, Dummy, just keep clawing at the hope I'm a troll and ignore your fellow posters right here stating otherwise.
That's not an accurate description of the divide between the right and left.
Thanks, I never said it was.
Try striving for some humility.
Try striving for some humanity. You'll evolve. Maybe.

Posted by: barbelle at November 10, 2009 01:02 AM (qF8q3)

242 Barbelle, not saying you're unneeded here, but there's a very attractive bridge offering shelter that definitely needs guarding just a few miles from here.

Posted by: Basic, b v at November 10, 2009 01:03 AM (SL3qo)

243 You people are retarded for talking about this... it's all fake... the reason you're talking about this is that there are people out to make a buck(or bring about social change!) who want you to talk about it... you're being manipulated... can't you see?

Seriously, step away from the trees and look at the forest... there's no way this story is real...

Posted by: yarrrrr at November 10, 2009 01:03 AM (oivbi)

244 So barbelle, what gives you the right to say what you did?
That looks like a general purpose smear, to impunge her morality by lying about her. Little more than girls in school calling each other a slut.
Personally,I couldn't care less about Carrie Prejaen, but I care even less for weirdo liarslike you.

Posted by: Jim in San Diego at November 10, 2009 01:03 AM (H7Rlw)

245 234,

Dude, that was joke.

I sense some folks here have truly taken to identifying with Prejean.

Is that so?

Posted by: eman at November 10, 2009 01:04 AM (jJ2r1)

246 The saddest part about this is it takes away people's time from abusing, laughing at, scolding and generally insulting our current Worst President Ever.

along with that bitch bella pelosi.

Posted by: Guy Fawkes at November 10, 2009 01:05 AM (DIYmd)

247 female doesn't have to be outraged, annoyed, or even peeved to outclass you.

Posted by: barbelle at November 10, 2009 12:58 AM (qF8q3)
Yeah...this reminds me a lot of Sotomayor referring to the hypothetical "wise Latina" when she was referring to herself. It was a bit presumptuous.
I'm thinking that maybe "outclass" falls in the same category.

Posted by: AmishDude at November 10, 2009 01:06 AM (T0NGe)

248 Eman, thank you. You're one of the few posters left I stick around to read in the comments.
And I don't know who Anon is, but I can certainly understand why so many lurkers don't post (and thank you, to you, too). The Group Think mentality has been pretty bad around here for some time.

Posted by: barbelle at November 10, 2009 01:07 AM (qF8q3)

249 LOL

Posted by: Rickshaw Jack at November 10, 2009 01:08 AM (tahIV)

250 ummm...I think the word is sanctimonious???

Posted by: Steph at November 10, 2009 01:09 AM (/CtkQ)

251 Then you're an idiot.
For paying attention to your comments? Perhaps.

Because that was SERIOUS.
Serious what?

Incidentally, they don't really make signs like those.
Golly, I'm glad youtold me that before I want into a store looking to buy one!

you may not have recognized that as a joke.
Thanks, you brainless little cow, I did recognize it as a joke. I also recognized that jokes and outrage are not antithetical, that they frequently occur together. For instance, the line about you weighing 244lbs was not intended literally. So you still have not responded to the point being made. You are running around here being shrilly outraged.


because I'm not permitted to, you know, respond to the vast number of commentswithout being emotionally charged.

Whether you are "emotionally charged" or not depends on what you write. If you write like Joan Crawford in one of her creepier roles, people will tend to call you a crazy bitch.

Posted by: flenser at November 10, 2009 01:09 AM (iioms)

252 Hypocrisy was your charge, Barbelle. These aren't my standards, I think your opinion should stand on its merits. But you've called me a sanctimonious pervert without cause. You've done wrong here. Smeared an innocent man. Hyporcisy is your charge, yes? Impurity? That's why what Prejean says is not valid?

I mean, I'd love for your opinion to stand on its merits. But you wouldn't let it, would you.

Stop hitting yourself. Stop hitting yourself. Stop hitting yourself.

Posted by: Z Ryan at November 10, 2009 01:09 AM (cMo6P)

253 Barbelle;
Listen; being a Christian and masturbating are not mutually exclusive things. You seem to be the only one pretending that it is. She did nothing wrong - if she had you would have had a real set of reasonings to offer. Instead, you seem to be repeating the old leftist barely-remembered set of assumptions as to how we Christians live. We make mistakes, change, repent, and continue to grow. You seem to forget 90 percent of that. Also, you should try masturbating yourself. It may keep you from being so very, very nasty and cross.

Posted by: Inspector Asshole at November 10, 2009 01:09 AM (g+0JJ)

254 barbelle: FLOUNCE.
Jim in San Diego: GOAL!

Posted by: Jim in San Diego at November 10, 2009 01:09 AM (H7Rlw)

255 246 The saddest part about this is it takes away people's time from abusing, laughing at, scolding and generally insulting our current Worst President Ever.

Posted by: Guy Fawkes at November 10, 2009 01:05 AM (DIYmd)
Not if people use this video tape controversy to ask about the LA Slimes holding onto the Precedent-Rashidi video tape. Every time this tape is mentioned, people should ask about that tape. Both are in LA, even!

Posted by: progressoverpeace at November 10, 2009 01:09 AM (A46hP)

256 So, wait, making shit up about Jim or Z Ryan is totally cool?

BS.

Posted by: Basic, b v at November 10, 2009 01:10 AM (SL3qo)

257 Wow, that was very kind, barbelle.

Thanks!

I enjoy your posts, too. You've got spunk.

Posted by: eman at November 10, 2009 01:10 AM (jJ2r1)

258 could it be... SATAN!!?

Posted by: Church Lady at November 10, 2009 01:10 AM (UaSIe)

259 People! Can't we all just agree that I want to rim Carrie Prejean and stop this infernal bickering!

Posted by: The Drizzle at November 10, 2009 01:11 AM (PEr+c)

260 @248
You are welcome.
Unfortunately like ALL blogs there is a certain amount of groupthink here, along with hypocrisy. It is inevitable whenever a`group is formed.

Posted by: anon at November 10, 2009 01:11 AM (j/wD+)

261 Yeah...this reminds me a lot of Sotomayor referring to the hypothetical "wise Latina" when she was referring to herself. It was a bit presumptuous.
I'm thinking that maybe "outclass" falls in the same category.
You would be wrong. In point of fact, it takes Nothing outclass that turd.
So barbelle, what gives you the right to say what you did?
Where did I EVER say I was a Christian, LIAR? You cansure smearand you can sure accuse others of smearing, so what gives you the right to judge me?
Pa-thetic with the proverbial capitalization...

Posted by: barbelle at November 10, 2009 01:12 AM (qF8q3)

262 TRUTHS
There's no crying in baseball, and there's no flouncing on AoS.

Posted by: LGF -- NOT! at November 10, 2009 01:12 AM (UaSIe)

263 My reason is not groupthink. And I'm not only defending her because of her looks. What I said stands on its merits. Why impune me personally? Why attack motivations?

It's interesting that you take that route instead of saying something of value. I make no judgment. I just find it interesting that personal attacks are the route you take.

I don't get all the personal attacks. Especially when you're being so sanctamonious and perverted in what you write, then calling me a sanctamonious pervert wtihout cause, then charging Prejean with the impurity of hypocrisy.

Stop hitting yourself. Stop hitting yourself. Stop hitting yourself.

Posted by: Z Ryan at November 10, 2009 01:12 AM (cMo6P)

264 Thread summary:

1. Barbell calls a Perjean a hypocritical skank.

2. Folks says that making a video of yourself masturbating doesn't make you a hypocrite if you oppose homosexual marriage. Nor necessarily skanky, but it does set one on that path.

3. Barbelle says guys just think with their dicks and doesn't repsond to 2.

Posted by: Tom in Korea at November 10, 2009 01:12 AM (nS7nk)

265 just keep clawing at the hope I'm a troll and ignore your fellow posters right here stating otherwise.

I think it's running about 20-1 that you're troll, toots. And eman is only on your side because he thinks you're cute.

Posted by: flenser at November 10, 2009 01:13 AM (iioms)

266 Shhhh... be quiet everyone!

I think they are about to mate!

Posted by: Rickshaw Jack at November 10, 2009 01:13 AM (tahIV)

267 Posted by: barbelle at November 10, 2009 01:07 AM (qF8q3)

Oh c'mon, it's been a fucked up coupla of weeks and I think that we have at times been spoiling for a fight. For my part, I don't give a fuck about Carrie, her 15 minutes have long since expired, but dumbass Hannity keeps trying to pimp her. She's just a vacuous narcissistic little girl with at least more morals than most her age. I applauded her for standing up against fascist gheys, but it has ended there.

Posted by: Samuel Adams at November 10, 2009 01:14 AM (nxUYP)

268 262
TRUTHS
There's no crying in baseball, and there's no flouncing on AoS.
Posted by: LGF -- NOT! at November 10, 2009 01:12 AM (UaSIe)
Yeah, you're right! I just couldn't come up with a decent synonym at the ready, besides, she was making stomping feet for the door noises; I had to act quick.

Posted by: Jim in San Diego at November 10, 2009 01:14 AM (H7Rlw)

269 MOIST HEAT DRIVES HUMIDITY IN CP's PANTIES. FOLLOWING WINDS.

Posted by: Ed, pbuh al tuna at November 10, 2009 01:15 AM (UaSIe)

270 Well, that's my say about 8 times. I'm glad we could figure out who's making sanctimonious and perverted posts.

We uncovered some truths tonight.

Posted by: Z Ryan at November 10, 2009 01:16 AM (cMo6P)

271 realize that a female doesn't have to be outraged, annoyed, or even peeved to outclass you.
Oh, great, a feminst troll!
Well, you may as well hide behind your vajayjay, nothing else is working for you.

Posted by: flenser at November 10, 2009 01:16 AM (iioms)

272 Well, you may as well hide behind your vajayjay, nothing else is working for you.

heh

Posted by: Rickshaw Jack at November 10, 2009 01:17 AM (tahIV)

273 Maybe the problem is that some people actually watch Hannity and he's had her on periodically. Am I gathering that's the problem here?

Posted by: AmishDude at November 10, 2009 01:18 AM (T0NGe)

274 Had Carrie sent a Lesbian video, then one might fairly play the hypocrite card.
2c

Posted by: cONVOLUTION at November 10, 2009 01:18 AM (UaSIe)

275 Listen; being a Christian and masturbating are not mutually exclusive things.
I lost count,how many straw men does this make in this one thread?
I mean, I'd love for your opinion to stand on its merits. But you wouldn't let it, would you.Stop hitting yourself. Stop hitting yourself. Stop hitting yourself.
Goodness, this isn't arguing, it's herding. Even if I did bother to make a cogent argument, this sure as Hades ain't the right audience. Besides, eman already did.
So, wait, making shit up about Jim or Z Ryan is totally cool?
I can't really speak for Ryan, but with Jim it depends; have your found anything interesting about him that you didn't need to make up?

Posted by: barbelle at November 10, 2009 01:18 AM (qF8q3)

276 There's something about this thread... but I just can't put my finger on it.

Posted by: stuiec at November 10, 2009 01:19 AM (rBLs5)

277 flenser, those days are long past. *sigh*

I've had pretty decent bouts with barbelle.

I don't always approve of her style, but after a while you learn to look through the rough exterior and see the substance underneath.

Posted by: eman at November 10, 2009 01:19 AM (jJ2r1)

278 276
There's something about this thread... but I just can't put my finger in it.

FIFY.

Posted by: Samuel Adams at November 10, 2009 01:20 AM (nxUYP)

279 And furthermore, barbelle, you claimed:
"No, just someone with, you know, standards. I doubt there's a number high enough to go after "sloppy" where Prejean is concerned. I understand that, by order of the Health Department, she has to hang a sign from her navel stating "Enter At Your Own Risk." "
Now, sloppy seconds or sloppy thirds, which you explicitly accused Prejean of offering if one were to have sex with her, only occur if a woman is having vaginal intercourse with two or more men in series during one session. You further insinuate that she has contracted venereal diseases. All of this is what you claim is clearly true because she masturbated.
Honey, masturbation does not equal a gangbang, a menage-a-trois, nor a bukkake. It's solo. Also, you don't get venereal disease from having an orgasm. True, serious, you can look it up.
Since you can't seem to figure out that masturbation does not equate to promiscuity and multiple sexual partners, nor does it seem apparent that you understand exactly how venereal diseases are contracted (hint - not from your finger, a romance novel, nor from shared oven mitts) then I think your hysteric venomous insults as to a woman's morality are equally flawed. In short, you are silly and think very silly and untruethings.

Posted by: Inspector Asshole at November 10, 2009 01:20 AM (g+0JJ)

280 I don't always approve of her style, but after a while you learn to
look through the rough exterior and see the substance underneath.

Which is exactly what Carrie Prejean was doing!

Posted by: AmishDude at November 10, 2009 01:21 AM (T0NGe)

281 Oh and for the future, I hold no grudges. Even if someone won't figure things out right now doesn't mean they won't consider it and figure it out later. You never know how things will be later, so I won't hold grudges now.

If anyone wants to read my posts, keep in mind that there's a central idea, a central point to them all that I'm making without necessarily directly stating it. I make no personal attacks or impune ideas with posters motivations. I was always teaching.

I'll set up the dominoes, it's more effective of a lesson when you make them fall yourself.

Posted by: Z Ryan at November 10, 2009 01:21 AM (cMo6P)

282 I think it's running about 20-1 that you're troll, toots. And eman is only on your side because he thinks you're cute.
Okay, activate the gray cells and figure out where eman ever saw a picture of me.
Consensus ain't science. It is, however, what I'd expect from the lot of you.

Posted by: barbelle at November 10, 2009 01:21 AM (qF8q3)

283 IT'S VERY WINDY OUT BEHIND THE VAJAYJAY
EVEN DRUNK IN IRELAND, I KNEW THAT

Posted by: Ed, pbuh al fresh phartblossom at November 10, 2009 01:21 AM (UaSIe)

284 Well, I'm convinced. The hot chick clearly needs to be impeached from the position we never put her in.

Posted by: Basic, b v at November 10, 2009 01:21 AM (SL3qo)

285 Oh, and I don't give a rat's ass about being called names! It's all part of the lesson.

Posted by: Z Ryan at November 10, 2009 01:22 AM (cMo6P)

286 exactly how venereal diseases are contracted (hint - not from your finger, a romance novel, nor from shared oven mitts)

Nagging? Because I can get these nasty headaches.

Posted by: AmishDude at November 10, 2009 01:22 AM (T0NGe)

287 Somebody put their barbelle in sideways.
You make it hurt so good.

Posted by: Anatomy in action at November 10, 2009 01:23 AM (UaSIe)

288 The real question here is a Howard Stern one involving the numbers 2 or 3. I'm guessing Michael Phelps knows the answer.

Posted by: Stifler at November 10, 2009 01:23 AM (1kwr2)

289 Prejean is basically an idiot. She took a principled stand on same sex marriage which is fine. But she was then elevated to some sort of icon for traditional values. Now we find out she is not a pure as she was pretending to be, again no big deal but that will now be used by the left for their "conservative hypocrisy" narrative. I wish we could just debate Conservative vs. Liberal ideas than this pop culture nonsense.

Posted by: Ken Royall at November 10, 2009 01:23 AM (DiwQY)

290 The name callin' STOPS right now!!!

Posted by: F'n moderator at November 10, 2009 01:24 AM (UaSIe)

291 And to top it all off, eman was wrong! Ghey sex does not stop cancer in mice. All mine have tumors!

Posted by: Andy Sullivan at November 10, 2009 01:24 AM (tahIV)

292 289
Prejean is basically an idiot. She took a principled stand on same sex
marriage which is fine. But she was then elevated to some sort of icon
for traditional values. Now we find out she is not a pure as she was
pretending to be, again no big deal but that will now be used by the
left for their "conservative hypocrisy" narrative.

But that's how they work. Alinsky's rules donchaknow.

Posted by: AmishDude at November 10, 2009 01:25 AM (T0NGe)

293 The Group Think mentality has been pretty bad around here for some time.

On any given day you can find somebody on this blog telling somebody else that they are full of shit. The only people who would find this bloga den ofOppressive Group Think are hard core lefties.
Or people who are frequently told they are full of shit. I expect it happens to you rather often.

Posted by: flenser at November 10, 2009 01:25 AM (iioms)

294 Oh and for the future, I hold no grudges. Even if someone won't figure things out right now doesn't mean they won't consider it and figure it out later. You never know how things will be later, so I won't hold grudges now.
Now, see, THAT is how sanctimony is done. Golf clap, indeed.
Yes, I do ever so much hope the Plebes shall come around to the proper and correct way of thinking in time as well. It cleanses my spirit to believe so, thusly may I lay down this burden of grudge-holding for the Presently Un-Illuminated.

Posted by: barbelle at November 10, 2009 01:25 AM (qF8q3)

295 You people are all victims of groupthink. You're just mind-numbed robots. Except me, I'm the only free thinker in these parts, God bless me.

Posted by: AmishDude at November 10, 2009 01:27 AM (T0NGe)

296 205 barbelle is a hot babe? Yes! BTW, she goes way back and is not a troll.
Posted by: eman at November 10, 2009 12:46 AM (jJ2r1)
Okay, activate the gray cells and figure out where eman ever saw a picture of me.
Consensus ain't science. It is, however, what I'd expect from the lot of you.
Posted by: barbelle at November 10, 2009 01:21 AM (qF8q3)
Okay, who's lying then? "[E]man" seems to think he knows what you look like.

Posted by: Jim in San Diego at November 10, 2009 01:27 AM (H7Rlw)

297 The Left used Prejean to attack the Right.

The Right used Prejean to attack the Left.

Prejean used both sides to promote herself.

If you think Prejean was simply a victim, you got played.

Posted by: eman at November 10, 2009 01:27 AM (jJ2r1)

298 Now we find out she is was not a pure as she was pretending does not claim to be

Posted by: F'n moderator at November 10, 2009 01:27 AM (UaSIe)

299 On any given day you can find somebody on this blog telling somebody else that they are full of shit. The only people who would find this bloga den ofOppressive Group Think are hard core lefties.
HA! Considering how prematurely you ejaculate the moniker "TROLL" in the direction of anyone who disagrees with you, I certainly think you fervently believe that.
Or people who are frequently told they are full of shit. I expect it happens to you rather often.
No, I don't know that many stupid people.

Posted by: barbelle at November 10, 2009 01:28 AM (qF8q3)

300 Extortion

Posted by: pat at November 10, 2009 01:29 AM (BvvsZ)

301 The Left used Prejean to attack the Right. The Right used Prejean to attack the Left.
Let's face it fellows, she's tired, Pooped!

Posted by: Madeline Kahn at November 10, 2009 01:29 AM (UaSIe)

302 No, I don't know that many stupid people.

Posted by: barbelle at November 10, 2009 01:28 AM (qF8q3)
Funny. Everybody I know is stupid.

Posted by: AmishDude at November 10, 2009 01:31 AM (T0NGe)

303 and he's had her on periodically

Posted by: Annualle at November 10, 2009 01:31 AM (UaSIe)

304 I have no clue what she actually looks like. I responded to another poster who claimed sure and certain knowledge barbelle is a "hot babe".

For the record, I don't give a royal rat's ass what she looks like.

Hell, I might might get into a fight with her tomorrow, for God's sake.

Posted by: eman at November 10, 2009 01:31 AM (jJ2r1)

305 Because following the logic of some of the people in this thread we
should be dumping her out of the conservative movement too because she
plays the victim card and can't be a spokesperson for morals because
her daughter banged a fucking douchebag.

I've seen this argument has been made by some here before. Nice little circular firing squad we have here.

Posted by: Tom in Korea at November 10, 2009 01:31 AM (nS7nk)

306 Consensus ain't science. It is, however, what I'd expect from the lot of you.
Are you too fucking dense to notice that there is no "consensus" even on this thread, and even apart from your own nonsensical posts?
Why, yes, I think you are exactly that dense.

Posted by: flenser at November 10, 2009 01:32 AM (iioms)

307 She made a sex tape for her boyfriend. So two dudes together must be a marriage.
And I'm sure the folks at TMZ, principled opponnentsof any form of hypocrisy, are prepared to engage in an all out smear campaign against gay marriage opponent Barack Hussein Obama to be fair.

Posted by: Reggie1971 at November 10, 2009 01:33 AM (Oq21Q)

308 Okay, who's lying then? "[E]man" seems to think he knows what you look like.
WOW, you are really an idiot. Really and truly. Well, you are in California.
Annnnd...where did eman see a picture of me? Come on, it's a straight line to draw between the dots, Liar.
Dont think I didn't notice how you keep hiding from your own hypocrisy,

Posted by: barbelle at November 10, 2009 01:33 AM (qF8q3)

309 "Or people who are frequently told they are full of shit. I expect it happens to you rather often."
No, I don't know that many stupid people.

Uh, sweatpea? That makes no sense. Are you hitting the Thunderbird a little hard tonight?

Posted by: flenser at November 10, 2009 01:34 AM (iioms)

310 I was under the impression that a troll is a fool who throws a firebomb in a discussion in order to derail the topic at hand (I don't see any condemnation of Miss Prejean in the post) and in order to secure attention for oneself . As such, barbelle is clearly a troll on a par with honest cloud or palin steele, whatever evidence to the contrary eman wishes to claim.

However, if eman is right, than barbelle is worse scum. She's of the Frum corner of the party, under the delusion that her libertine views and contempt for godliness are some workable majority. And she apparently lacks the capacity to count. Moderates do not matter most of the time. Republicans without the Christian vote cannot win national elections because there is no majority of those remaining not already on the Dems' dole. Thus Republicans must give the base their due.

In any case, barbelle's just pissy because she's simply not going to get her way. Which will be a good lesson for when she eventually grows up.

Posted by: Methos at November 10, 2009 01:35 AM (rzT1s)

311 "WOW, you are really an idiot. Really and truly. Well, you are in California."

Posted by: barbelle

Ahem.

Posted by: eman at November 10, 2009 01:36 AM (jJ2r1)

312 O my vajayjay
To me it is so wonderful
O my vajayjay
To me it is so grand

Posted by: 2 fingers, neat at November 10, 2009 01:36 AM (UaSIe)

313 Dont think I didn't notice how you keep hiding from your own hypocrisy,
Posted by: barbelle at November 10, 2009 01:33 AM (qF8q3)
Oh yeah, you're a nut.
FYI, try ending sentences with a period and not a comma, it's much easier on the reader that way.

Posted by: Jim in San Diego at November 10, 2009 01:36 AM (H7Rlw)

314 Nice little circular firing squad we have here.
So, did you see/hear the huge naval battle there in garlicland today?

Posted by: Ships go boom? at November 10, 2009 01:39 AM (UaSIe)

315 Funny. Everybody I know is stupid.
Jim must be your frickin' BFF.
Are you too fucking dense to notice that there is no "consensus" even on this thread, and even apart from your own nonsensical posts?
No. Are you too dumb to read your own claim that there WAS a 20-1 consensus? LOL, you guys are just hilarious.
Why, yes, I think you are exactly that dense.
I do not think that word "think" means what you think it means.
No, wait...I'm positive you don't.

Posted by: barbelle at November 10, 2009 01:39 AM (qF8q3)

316 >Because following the logic of some of the people in this thread we
should be dumping her out of the conservative movement too because she
plays the victim card and can't be a spokesperson for morals because
her daughter banged a fucking douchebag.

>I've seen this argument has been made by some here before. Nice little circular firing squad we have here.

That's mainly the Mittheads, though.

Posted by: Methos at November 10, 2009 01:39 AM (rzT1s)

317 311
I was under the impression that a troll is a fool who throws a firebomb
in a discussion in order to derail the topic at hand... As such, barbelle is clearly a troll on a par
with honest cloud or palin steele, whatever evidence to the contrary
eman wishes to claim.

Not at all. Barbelle is defending her view. A troll usually posts and runs or tries to change the subject. A contrarion, maybe, but not a troll.

the Frum
corner of the party, under the delusion that her libertine views and
contempt for godliness are some workable majority.

Frum wants to have a big tent by tossing conservatives out. Actually, Frum may be a good example of the kind of think barbelle is talking about (Newt, too). They both got a lot of sympathy by getting attacked by the Left, but then stuck around promoting themselves. Of course, the difference is that to varying degrees, they put a stick in the eye of the very movement that supported them.

Maybe there's a disconnect here. I'm not tired of hearing about Prejean because I haven't heard about her since the "scandal" of her breast implants. I yawned and didn't hear much.

Posted by: AmishDude at November 10, 2009 01:40 AM (T0NGe)

318 Bad day for the moronettes. A few of them seem to think Carrie Something is... what exactly?

If we were banging you we'd paper over the standard "must hate all other girls". We're not.

Posted by: Basic, b v at November 10, 2009 01:40 AM (SL3qo)

319 ya doesn't has ta call me vajayjay
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
BLACK TACO

Posted by: Ray J and Michelle at November 10, 2009 01:40 AM (UaSIe)

320 298
I'm reminded of how William Bennett was criticized as a hypocrite for writing a book called "the book of virtues" after it was revealed that he (gasp!) liked to gamble. Even though he never mentioned gambling. To these people, if you talk about right and wrong, and are not without sin then you are a hypocrite. So by their logicno one can ever talk about right or wrong, because no one is without sin.
Unless of course someone is smoking a cigarette! Those people are immoral! Put on your puritan's hat and flog them!

Posted by: Reggie1971 at November 10, 2009 01:40 AM (Oq21Q)

321 Methos, I don't think Prejean has earned that defense.

Posted by: eman at November 10, 2009 01:41 AM (jJ2r1)

322 Annnnd...where did eman see a picture of me? Come on, it's a straight line to draw between the dots, Liar.

They're talking about me, barbelle. Some other commentors were talking about your appearance and i mentioned i had seen a picture of you (i think you know the one i'm talking about) to point out that you're not fat and ugly. Sorry if you didn't want that brought up, i probably shouldn't have mentioned it.

Posted by: koopy at November 10, 2009 01:41 AM (+ckmu)

323 BLACK TACO

No. Fish Taco. That way, it's a triple entendre.

"The big unit, Randy Johnson" is a quintuple entendre.

Posted by: AmishDude at November 10, 2009 01:42 AM (T0NGe)

324 I'm still waiting for Barbelle to explain how masturbating makes one a hypocrite or skank.

Posted by: Tom in Korea at November 10, 2009 01:42 AM (nS7nk)

325 Are you too dumb to read your own claim that there WAS a 20-1 consensus?

Ah, my poor little girl! That consensus is that you are a troll.
There is no consensus about Prejean. People are taking all sorts of positions on her.

Posted by: flenser at November 10, 2009 01:42 AM (iioms)

326 Ahem.
Heh. Sorry. You never saw my picture?
FYI, try ending sentences with a period and not a comma, it's much easier on the reader that way.
He stoops to pedantry. It was only a matter of time.
But at least you finally told the truth.
Liar,
Liar,
Liar,
I would have used a period, but your sister's on it.

Posted by: barbelle at November 10, 2009 01:43 AM (qF8q3)

327 CW is WRONG before marriage.

Posted by: CCW only at November 10, 2009 01:43 AM (UaSIe)

328 I'm reminded of how William Bennett was criticized as a hypocrite for
writing a book called "the book of virtues" after it was revealed that
he (gasp!) liked to gamble. Even though he never mentioned gambling.

I am reminded of that, too. Even moreso, it's ridiculous because we can't admire patience, apparently, if we have a bad temper. Because that would be hypocrisy. And hypocrisy is the Worst Thing Evah.

Posted by: AmishDude at November 10, 2009 01:44 AM (T0NGe)

329 I'm still waiting for Barbelle to explain how masturbating makes one a hypocrite or skank.
Prejean is a Christofacist homophobe!!eleventy!! She must never touch herself in an impure fashion, even when she was a teen.

Posted by: flenser at November 10, 2009 01:44 AM (iioms)

330 Okay, making a sex tape = always a bad idea, but how is this not
blackmail? I know we have some lawyerly types around here who could
explain this to my poor stupid self...

Taking the opposite tack...

It could go back to her lawsuit if she stated that she was fired for promoting a lifestyle not agreeable to the pageant, especially if she ever said that "rubbing one out" was not part of the lifestyle she was professing. It would no longer be blackmail material, it could become rebuttable evidence. And by showing the tape now instead of waiting for depositions/trial, the lawyers just trimmed the expenses for their client.

Not agreein'; just sayin'.

Posted by: David in San Diego at November 10, 2009 01:44 AM (GF+6V)

331 324 You Suhr, are no Amish Dude!

Posted by: The Colonel at November 10, 2009 01:44 AM (UaSIe)

332 Ah, my poor little girl! That consensus is that you are a troll.
Yeah, I know, Dork. Come on, at least one of us should read your posts, and I prefer it not be me.
There is no consensus about Prejean. People are taking all sorts of positions on her.
So to speak. Ba-dum-CHING!
But seriously, follow along, Dummy, my consensus comment was about the TROLL issue. You over that yet or are you still sitting on your brain?

Posted by: barbelle at November 10, 2009 01:46 AM (qF8q3)

333 Self-gratification by women is WRONG!

Posted by: Imam Barbelle at November 10, 2009 01:46 AM (UaSIe)

334 332
324 You Suhr, are no Amish Dude!

But I play one on TV.

Posted by: AmishDude at November 10, 2009 01:47 AM (T0NGe)

335 Stick yer fingers in yosef
And whadaya get
Sticky Fin-gers

Posted by: Boney Fingers at November 10, 2009 01:48 AM (UaSIe)

336 I'm still waiting for Barbelle to explain how masturbating makes one a hypocrite or skank.
You'll be waiting a LONG time for me to defend a position I never took.
And another straw man is marked up...

Posted by: barbelle at November 10, 2009 01:48 AM (qF8q3)

337 AmishDude, go look at comment 15, barbelle's entry on the thread, and tell me how that's any different from the sorts of things either honest cloud or palin steele would say. I don't care much about Prejean one way or the other, I just find barbelle's gleeful anti-Christianism troubling. People like her need to have their assumptions in life challenged when they step as far out of bounds as she did above.

eman, Prejean hasn't done much to earn that defense. barbelle earned it.

Posted by: Methos at November 10, 2009 01:48 AM (rzT1s)

338 Hmmmm......

So what you guys think? BAC of about .12 now?

Posted by: Rickshaw Jack at November 10, 2009 01:49 AM (tahIV)

339 Not at all. Barbelle is defending her view.
You know, I can't say I've seen her doing that. Unless calling Prejean a skank for mastrubating is defending her view.
barbelle of course has never let her fingers stray too far south. Or at least, she has never enjoyed it.

Posted by: flenser at November 10, 2009 01:49 AM (iioms)

340



I'm still waiting for Barbelle to explain how masturbating makes one a hypocrite or skank.

You'll be waiting a LONG time for me to defend a position I never took.
And another straw man is marked up...

15
Okay, so can we never hear from this hypocritical Christian EVER AGAIN?
What a skank.

Posted by: Tom in Korea at November 10, 2009 01:50 AM (nS7nk)

341 Self-gratification by women is WRONG!
HEY, we were just talking about trolls!

Posted by: barbelle at November 10, 2009 01:51 AM (qF8q3)

342 I guess last week's flame war sucked pretty bad, huh?



Well, the vitriol, personal attacks and high dudgeon over matters that
no one is really all that invested in anyway have to be expressed
somewhere.



Oh, and the butthurt. Can't forget the butthurt, now.



Because, God knows, a smart military blog like AoSHQ, is no place for hyperbole or impugning some sock's character with name calling.

Posted by: Deety at November 10, 2009 01:51 AM (aVzyR)

343 Seriously though. Should Lee Press-On nails be repressed, er depressed. before tickling the ol' twat? Any experience?

Posted by: Lee at November 10, 2009 01:51 AM (UaSIe)

344 I wonder how many folks out there are wondering if Carrie Prejean answered anything honestly, especially the question that started all of this.

Posted by: eman at November 10, 2009 01:51 AM (jJ2r1)

345 Prejean is a Christofacist homophobe!!eleventy!! She must never touch herself in an impure fashion, even when she was a teen.

I didn't catch anyone point this out, but maybe the reason there's no tape to be googled is because everyone involved knows she wasn't of age when it was made?

Posted by: Methos at November 10, 2009 01:51 AM (rzT1s)

346
339 Hmmmm......So what you guys think? BAC of about .12 now?
Posted by: Rickshaw Jack at November 10, 2009 01:49 AM (tahIV)
Punctuation is usually the first to go!

Posted by: Jim in San Diego at November 10, 2009 01:51 AM (H7Rlw)

347 338
AmishDude, go look at comment 15, barbelle's entry on the thread, and
tell me how that's any different from the sorts of things either honest
cloud or palin steele would say.

Maybe, but they wouldn't stay with it for post after post. They'd change the subject or leave the thread. Troll has a specific meaning. Hyperbolic, confrontational and contrarion still does not man troll.

She can be wrong and a jerk without being a troll.

Posted by: AmishDude at November 10, 2009 01:52 AM (T0NGe)

348 Okay, so can we never hear from this hypocritical Christian EVER AGAIN?
What a skank.
That's right, Puddin, aaaaaaalllll she ever did wrong was touch herself.
I know what I said. You don't.

Posted by: barbelle at November 10, 2009 01:52 AM (qF8q3)

349 I wonder how many folks out there are wondering if Carrie Prejean
answered anything honestly, especially the question that started all of
this.

I don't.


Posted by: Rickshaw Jack at November 10, 2009 01:53 AM (tahIV)

350 I didn't catch anyone point this out, but maybe the
reason there's no tape to be googled is because everyone involved knows
she wasn't of age when it was made?

Posted by: Methos at November 10, 2009 01:51 AM (rzT1s)
I mentioned the possibility several times and speculated on whether those who are in possession of it may be in some very serious trouble.

Posted by: AmishDude at November 10, 2009 01:54 AM (T0NGe)

351 Come guys, I can't believe any of the regular posters are reading the inane bafflegab she puts out and saying "No, she's making serious points". She makes palin steel and some of the other ex-trolls seem coherent and rational.

Posted by: flenser at November 10, 2009 01:54 AM (iioms)

352 Barbelle
When was the last time that you were spanked, truly spanked on yourfrigid haunches? Therapy works.

Posted by: Have knees, will travel at November 10, 2009 01:55 AM (UaSIe)

353 345 I wonder how many folks out there are wondering if Carrie Prejean answered anything honestly, especially the question that started all of this.
Posted by: eman at November 10, 2009 01:51 AM (jJ2r1)
So what? It was a beauty contest. Do you admit to every wrong thing you have ever done at every job interview you ever went on? I doubt it. So can I now start chanting hypocrite? Of course not, and neither should you hold Carrie Prejaen to a standard no one else bothers to observe.

Posted by: Jim in San Diego at November 10, 2009 01:55 AM (H7Rlw)

354
>I'm still waiting for Barbelle to explain how masturbating makes one a hypocrite or skank.

>You'll be waiting a LONG time for me to defend a position I never took.
Wow, defeated by the undeniable force of barbelle's intellect. If only there were some way to check the record to see if she actually said any such thing. Oh, yeah, highlight and right-click

15

Okay, so can we never hear from this hypocritical Christian EVER AGAIN?
What a skank.

Posted by: barbelle at November 09, 2009 11:34 PM (qF8q3)

Posted by: Methos at November 10, 2009 01:55 AM (rzT1s)

355 Barbelle, ever been lonely, touched yourself?

Posted by: And you? at November 10, 2009 01:56 AM (UaSIe)

356 350,

Do you think she was dishonest in any way?

Posted by: eman at November 10, 2009 01:56 AM (jJ2r1)

357 @341

Okay, I could have done that faster without the snark.

Posted by: Methos at November 10, 2009 01:56 AM (rzT1s)

358 358
@341Okay, I could have done that faster without the snark.

Don't worry about, apparently she doesn't mean what she said. Or we don't have the intellect to understand that she meant more/less/something else than what she said.

Posted by: Tom in Korea at November 10, 2009 01:58 AM (nS7nk)

359 AmishDude, go look at comment 15, barbelle's entry on the thread, and tell me how that's any different from the sorts of things either honest cloud or palin steele would say.
So, where are they? If those clods were here I'd be telling them to get off my side...and I don't think they would be on it anyway. They're men, they post here, so obviously the odds are they'd toss ideology to the side and savage anyone who dares cast aspersions at the blond repenter.

Posted by: barbelle at November 10, 2009 01:58 AM (qF8q3)

360 Maybe, but they wouldn't stay with it for post after post.

Are you nuts? That's exactly what trolls do. In the Bush years they'd show up and repeat "Bush is a war criminal" 20,000 times.

Hyperbolic, confrontational and contrarion still does not man troll.
Yes, it pretty much does, expecally when combined with "irrational".

Posted by: flenser at November 10, 2009 01:58 AM (iioms)

361 This one goes out to Barbelle

Posted by: Casey Kasem at November 10, 2009 01:59 AM (UaSIe)

362 Do you think she was dishonest in any way?
Posted by: eman at November 10, 2009 01:56 AM (jJ2r1)

Do you? You seem anxious to talk about her, so lets have it.
I don't recall her saying "No, I swear I never mastrubated", for instance.

Posted by: flenser at November 10, 2009 02:00 AM (iioms)

363 354,

Do you think Prejean was dishonest in how she portrayed herself after the beauty contest?

If her answer to Perez Hilton was a lie, is that ok with you as long as the answer was what you wanted said?

Posted by: eman at November 10, 2009 02:00 AM (jJ2r1)

364 Come guys, I can't believe any of the regular posters are reading the inane bafflegab she puts out and saying "No, she's making serious points". She makes palin steel and some of the other ex-trolls seem coherent and rational.
You're just sore because you're wrong. I'm not a troll and you know it. Stop pleading with the others to take your side and stand on your own if you can.
The Big If.

Posted by: barbelle at November 10, 2009 02:01 AM (qF8q3)

365 Hey, Carrie Prejean is smoking! Im mean smoking! The conservatoids
and the Breitbots have circled their wagons around her. That's how them there
straight dudes come wired from the big factory in the sky. Now, the womenfolk
on the other hand hate each other, that is how they come wired, from the factory
in the sky. It is in the sky, i was an intern there. But whatever this thread needs
to die. You folks are vicious and vapid, but hey this is the culture. The Bears
lost this weekend, and there is assorted piles of other tragic s#$t occuring currently. So in summation, Prejean is a smoking hot 10, all the dudes are pervs[since time began], All the chicks,broads[what-have-you] that are not, or indeed are 10's will find much to dislike about her, the pervs can generate reasons to defend her until the world end. You know what? keep the freaking thread going ya'll, this really is what life is about, pointless, endless, aimless conflict.Breitbots! awesome. In case anyone was wondering i too am vapid
dick.

Posted by: uh hmmm..... at November 10, 2009 02:01 AM (SQvKu)

366 Two male cubs ought not frolic in the woods.....and no I'm not a hypocrite.

Posted by: Masturbating bear at November 10, 2009 02:01 AM (Oq21Q)

367 Do you think Prejean was dishonest in how she portrayed herself after the beauty contest?
Knock of the bullshit, eman. If you have something to say, say it. But stop with what you think are clever leading questions.
I don't have a clue how she "portrayed herself after the beauty contest". By all means fill me in. Tell me how she "portrayed herself ".

Posted by: flenser at November 10, 2009 02:05 AM (iioms)

368 Do you think she was dishonest in any way?

I don't care if she was or not. I was not hiring her, voting for her, signing a contract with, or in any other relationship that required trust within the parties.

See I guess that's my point. Carrie P means absolutely nothing to me. And for someone to tell me that I should be HELLFIRE GOBSMACKED that she could be someone other than she let on, is just plain silly.

Posted by: Rickshaw Jack at November 10, 2009 02:05 AM (tahIV)

369 Maybe, but they wouldn't stay with it for post after post. They'd
change the subject or leave the thread.

Okay, palin steele hasn't been gone that long to have been forgotten already. Even when he claimed he was leaving a thread, he always came back.

Troll has a specific meaning.
Hyperbolic, confrontational and contrarion still does not man troll.She can be wrong and a jerk without being a troll.

Fine, barbelle is wrong and a jerk. And apparently doesn't know the meaning either of "hypocritical" or of "Christian." Like all those folk who thought the Christian Right was going to disown Sarah Palin over her daughter's difficulties.

Posted by: Methos at November 10, 2009 02:05 AM (rzT1s)

370 I know for a fact that any Leftist who regrets it when they "misspeak"
-- a lesser transgression -- are not cut any slack around here...and
deservedly so. How can you hold the other side to a level you refuse
to hold your own to?

Because barbelle, we LIKE our side, the other side sucks, our side automatically gets some slack. You come across angry and screeching about such a little thing. Maybe get some perspective, like the fact Obama and Co. are destroying the last great hope of mankind. Believe me the light goes out in this nation, it goes out in the world, it will make the dark ages look like bootcamp for the Hell that is coming, get some f'ing perspective girl!

Posted by: jehu at November 10, 2009 02:06 AM (k8au7)

371 I'm not a troll and you know it.
If you're not a troll, skank, then I've never seen one. BTW, I thought you were not reading my posts?

Posted by: flenser at November 10, 2009 02:07 AM (iioms)

372 363,

Yes, I think she deliberately gave a misleading and self-serving impression of herself.

I think she knew folks would exploit her answer to Perez Hilton to serve their own purposes and that she did not hesitate to do the same.

I also think some people can not accept that she may be a phony.

Posted by: eman at November 10, 2009 02:07 AM (jJ2r1)

373 In fairness, we'll need to see THE video, and demand that the ladies leave the room so that we may council without all of the yammering pap.

Posted by: Solomon at November 10, 2009 02:07 AM (UaSIe)

374 Yeah, we all go way back, and bb you are acting like a troll.

Not b/c of ideology, but because you're being a belligerent ass who keeps moving the goalposts and spewing pure bile at someone you'll never meet. Y'know there used to be a lawsuit for saying someone had a loathsome disease (as you did above). I have no interest in whiteknighting this little digbat of a beauty queen, but you are being so utterly awful that I think it's better to make fun of you than do much else this evening.

So if you're not fat, then you must be a raging whore, since there has to be SOME reason why you feel so threatened by CP

Posted by: hobgoblin at November 10, 2009 02:08 AM (vEwzd)

375 If her answer to Perez Hilton was a lie, is that ok with you as long as the answer was what you wanted said?
Yes, I get that you think she lied, though you're going about saying so in an annoying way. Why do you think that?

Posted by: flenser at November 10, 2009 02:08 AM (iioms)

376 Now, flenser, be nice.



Posted by: eman at November 10, 2009 02:10 AM (jJ2r1)

377 Mamma's don't let your daughters grow up to be Christian hotties...
Don't let 'em be cheerleaders,chior or such
Let 'em be lesbian dope smokin yearbook editors
Mamma don't let your daughters grow up to be Christian hotties
They'll never kill babies or sing "mmmm, mmmm, mmmm"
Even if they finally have sex with a guy that they think really loves them.

Posted by: Willie Nelson at November 10, 2009 02:11 AM (vWLV0)

378 373 363, Yes, I think she deliberately gave a misleading and self-serving impression of herself. I think she knew folks would exploit her answer to Perez Hilton to serve their own purposes and that she did not hesitate to do the same. I also think some people can not accept that she may be a phony.
Posted by: eman at November 10, 2009 02:07 AM (jJ2r1)
Fuck you asshole. Seriously. Fuck you!
How the HELL could she have done all of that to a surprise question in all of about three seconds?
Fuck you.

Posted by: Jim in San Diego at November 10, 2009 02:11 AM (H7Rlw)

379 Yes, I think she deliberately gave a misleading and self-serving impression of herself.
What makes you think that?

I think she knew folks would exploit her answer to Perez Hilton to serve their own purposes
What "purposes" did people "exploit" her answer to serve?

I also think some people can not accept that she may be a phony.
I don't give a rats ass whether she is a phony or not. I'm just curious about your odd attitude.

Posted by: flenser at November 10, 2009 02:13 AM (iioms)

380 So, where are they? If those clods were here I'd be telling them to
get off my side...and I don't think they would be on it anyway.

palin steele got banned after *someone* goaded him into crossing one of ace's very few rules on comments. He was pretty anti-Prejean, but most of his animus was for Sarah Palin. And Jewish-Indian doctors. The last time I saw honest cloud, Purple Avenger was trying to dope him into betting stocks on Obama's re-election prospects.

Posted by: Methos at November 10, 2009 02:13 AM (rzT1s)

381 I happen to think her answer to PH was not a lie.

I also think she was dishonest afterwards. Not on every matter, but on enough. I just don't trust her. She sets off my Spider-Sense.

Posted by: eman at November 10, 2009 02:13 AM (jJ2r1)

382 No way she could have planned all of this...did you notice she is blond?

Posted by: jehu at November 10, 2009 02:13 AM (k8au7)

383 Listen. If you thought carrie p was going to be the one that led the populace to completely disavow homo marriage, and you trusted her implicity, to carry that message to the nation for you personally...........

I got some bad news for you.

She was a fucking beauty pageant contestant!
Miss California FFS!

Posted by: Rickshaw Jack at November 10, 2009 02:14 AM (tahIV)

384 Now, flenser, be nice.
I'm being a lot more nice to this twat than she's being to Prejean. Your concern for niceness seems a little selective.

Posted by: flenser at November 10, 2009 02:15 AM (iioms)

385 flenser, you malign all good goblins, nose and otherwise, by trying to lump barbelle with them.

I demand satisfaction SIR.

Posted by: hobgoblin at November 10, 2009 02:17 AM (vEwzd)

386 How the HELL could she have done all of that to a surprise question in all of about three seconds?
Fuck you.
+1

Posted by: Methos at November 10, 2009 02:18 AM (rzT1s)

387 Jim in San Diego,

Perhaps I was unclear. I think she gave an honest answer to PH. But I think she exploited the resulting controversy to serve her own ends.

I think she was not honest.

flenser, I am not obliged to like or respect CP even if I agree with her from time to time.

Posted by: eman at November 10, 2009 02:18 AM (jJ2r1)

388 I also think some people can not accept that she may be a phony.
Let me get this straight. She has been on a crusade against women saying howdy to themselves and giving a tape of it to their boyfriends, right? Well gee, that would make her a phony.

Posted by: Reggie1971 at November 10, 2009 02:18 AM (Oq21Q)

389 The last time I saw honest cloud, Purple Avenger was trying to dope him into betting stocks on Obama's re-election prospects.Posted by: Methos at November 10, 2009 02:13 AM (rzT1s)

Actually today I saw honest cloud over at wired.com in this thread calling for a ban on semi-auto guns and reloading equipment.

Posted by: Mætenloch at November 10, 2009 02:19 AM (naB0i)

390 flenser, you malign all good goblins, nose and otherwise, by trying to lump barbelle with them.
Of course, Imeant "imp", not goblin. Some of my best friends are goblins.

Posted by: flenser at November 10, 2009 02:20 AM (iioms)

391 Actually today I saw honest cloud over at wired.com in this thread calling for a ban on semi-auto guns and reloading equipment.
Someone is scared. Think he knows something we don't?

Posted by: Rickshaw Jack at November 10, 2009 02:20 AM (tahIV)

392 Listen. If you thought carrie p was going to be the one that led the populace to completely disavow homo marriage, ...

I was pretty much counting on the fact that the vast majority of Americans on both sides of the aisle recognize gay "marriage" as an abomination that we want no part of personally, nor through our government.

Posted by: Methos at November 10, 2009 02:21 AM (rzT1s)

393 I was pretty sure honest cloud was cooling his jets in a Hong Kong jail.

Posted by: eman at November 10, 2009 02:22 AM (jJ2r1)

394 flenser, I am not obliged to like or respect CP even if I agree with her from time to time.
I neither like nor respect her. I know next to nothing about her. Neither do you. But you actually dislike her all the same. I found that curious, that's all.

Posted by: flenser at November 10, 2009 02:23 AM (iioms)

395 ed, good call on the Christina Amphlett

you, like the Divinyls, rock

And at least here on the Scarlet Letter (finger?) thread we don't have to deal with fucking shoes and cyberflirting.

Except between barbelle and eman, that is

Posted by: hobgoblin at November 10, 2009 02:24 AM (vEwzd)

396 This and other recent shootings clearly prove the solution to the
problem is to reinstate the highly successful assault weapons ban...

Gahk. I meant I hadn't seen him around here, which is just as well. Did Dummy ever resurface anywhere?

Posted by: Methos at November 10, 2009 02:25 AM (rzT1s)

397 Someone is scared. Think he knows something we don't?Posted by: Rickshaw Jack at November 10, 2009 02:20 AM (tahIV)

This is HC after all, so no.

Posted by: Mætenloch at November 10, 2009 02:25 AM (naB0i)

398 395,

Ok. That's cool.






Posted by: eman at November 10, 2009 02:26 AM (jJ2r1)

399 I guess the mean drunk inside barbelle's head lost out to the passed out drunk .

Hell hath no fury like a bitchy woman looking at a model.

Posted by: hobgoblin at November 10, 2009 02:28 AM (vEwzd)

400 "....cyberflirting. Except between barbelle and eman, that is
Posted by: hobgoblin


Hey! I would never cheat on dumb_blonde!

Posted by: eman at November 10, 2009 02:28 AM (jJ2r1)

401 Or we don't have the intellect to understand that she meant more/less/something else than what she said.
Sad but true, alas. You know, if youunfortunate wretchesdon't want an actual debate. If so, you would have have been far more honest in realizing the objections raised about this latest revelation concerning Prejean, but you're not. It's just "OH, so and so objects, so Touchy-me is a no-no, eh? What a prude! How is self-touching hypocrisy????"
That categorization right there demonstrates the futility of reasoning with you. Because all you did, Carrie, was touch yourself! For your boyfriend. Whom you're not married to. In front of a camera. Without telling anyone. After being appointed a family spokesperson. And promoting yourself as a Christian. With strong Christian values. And suing a pageant fora wad of cash for alleged rule violations. And telling your story to multiple talk shows and crowds. And making money off this value promotion. And excusing the "model" pictures because they were"part of being a model."
But you guys just skip over all that stuff you can't defend.

Posted by: barbelle at November 10, 2009 02:30 AM (qF8q3)

402 I'm still trying to figure out what she did that was so wrong.I've got a couple of Bible-thumper friends, and while I've heard them opine tiresomely about various aspects of sexual morality, I've never heard them say anything about masturbation. Maybe some Baptist types on this board can clear that up, but it seems to me that they don't think it's that huge a deal. Probably because there's no mutual touching or deflowering going on. I dunno.I mean... seriously. WTF?Posted by: schizuki at November 10, 2009 12:44 AM (SuGDg) ------------------------Oh for Christ's sakes. I've read every comment down and that's where I had to stop to answer. schizuki, are you a parent? If your teenage daughter asked you, would you tell her there's nothing wrong with masturbating on tape for her boyfriend?

Posted by: arhooley at November 10, 2009 02:32 AM (jwoys)

403 I guess the mean drunk inside barbelle's head lost out to the passed out drunk .Hell hath no fury like a bitchy woman looking at a model.
So sayeth someone who's yet to know a woman.

Posted by: barbelle at November 10, 2009 02:34 AM (qF8q3)

404 I'm pretty sure this disqualifies Ms. Prejean from ever being taken seriously. Let's put her in perspective. She says she did this for her boyfriend. And she said she was a kid at the time. Kids are kids. And I am pleased to state that my kids have successfully given me every reason to believe they are both chaste and pure. However, I know what a reprobate I was as a teenager. And I grew up in a Good Christian Home.

If you're disinclined to forgive Ms. Prejean for some youthful indiscretion, then I hope your own youth was unspotted by carnality and I doubly hope your own children are likewise. This Christianity thing makes a big deal about forgiveness. So, the fact that Ms. Prejean needs it is fitting. If we all didn't need it, there'd be no reason to become a Christian.

Posted by: Steve Poling at November 10, 2009 02:34 AM (nBrFn)

405 Ooooh, she's back, yee-haw!

You are WWAAAAAAYYYYYYY to involved in this story. Yes, the girl is not a paragon of virtue, and yes, she is whoring herself out as a spokesman for virtue.

OK, so how do you get from that entirely reasonable point to calling her a disease ridden, double penetration slut? And why do you know every detail of this sordid and squalid little nothing of a story.

WHY ARE YOU SO OBSESSED?

The only logical answer is that (unless you're her sister) you are intensely threatened by her, and your being a woman, teh natural assumption is that you are jealous.

Posted by: hobgoblin at November 10, 2009 02:36 AM (vEwzd)

406 404
I guess the mean drunk inside barbelle's head lost out to the passed out drunk .Hell hath no fury like a bitchy woman looking at a model.
So sayeth someone who's yet to know a woman.
Posted by: barbelle at November 10, 2009 02:34 AM (qF8q3)
If he never KNEW a woman, then how would he KNOW that? Not all aspects of the feminine condition are flattering.

Posted by: Jim in San Diego at November 10, 2009 02:37 AM (H7Rlw)

407 Oh, you pegged me, shamu. Two kids and married 20 years. I am a naif in the ways of the eternal feminine.

Posted by: hobgoblin at November 10, 2009 02:37 AM (vEwzd)

408 I've read every comment down and that's where I had to stop to answer. schizuki, are you a parent? If your teenage daughter asked you, would you tell her there's nothing wrong with masturbating on tape for her boyfriend?
I'm pretty sure Hagar did that in the Old Testament, but considering the lack of recording tech, they just had to draw really fast on papyrus.
It's all the rave at the Baptist church down the road. But no worries, just say you regret it and you're golden.

Posted by: barbelle at November 10, 2009 02:37 AM (qF8q3)

409 402
"And promoting yourself as a Christian."

The misunderstanding of Christianity stubbornly persists. As far as I know, there is nothing in Christian doctrine that requires one to be without sin in order to be true to the faith. In fact, I think it's pretty clearly states that only one personin human history was capable of meeting that standard.

Posted by: Reggie1971 at November 10, 2009 02:38 AM (Oq21Q)

410 You are WWAAAAAAYYYYYYY to involved in this story.
You are WAAAAAYYYY too late to this story. You haven't contributed anything the other lemmings haven't already spewed.

Posted by: barbelle at November 10, 2009 02:40 AM (qF8q3)

411 411
You are WWAAAAAAYYYYYYY to involved in this story.
You are WAAAAAYYYY too late to this story. You haven't contributed anything the other lemmings haven't already spewed.
Posted by: barbelle at November 10, 2009 02:40 AM (qF8q3)
Anyone still claiming this one isn't a troll?

Posted by: Jim in San Diego at November 10, 2009 02:41 AM (H7Rlw)

412 But, please, backfat, tell us, why are you so obsessed? How can you rattle off all of the tawdry details of this girl's life (growing up as she did in the pit of filth that is California, and thrust into the painted babies world of pagents)?

Again, I think she's a ditzy girl trying to cash in in much the same way as needle dick Levi, but that's a failing of greed. THis tape was a lapse in chastity, but certainly not something to cast her down to Gehenna in a fury of Southern Baptist, white hot rage.

What gives? She owe you money or something?

Posted by: hobgoblin at November 10, 2009 02:41 AM (vEwzd)

413 As far as I know, there is nothing in Christian doctrine that requires one to be without sin in order to be true to the faith. In fact, I think it's pretty clearly states that only one personin human history was capable of meeting that standard.
Yeah, but John the Baptist didn't go around promoting personal hygiene.

Posted by: barbelle at November 10, 2009 02:42 AM (qF8q3)

414 Then I'll listen.Posted by: Samuel Adams at November 10, 2009 12:59 AM (nxUYP) ----------------------I agree. Why do you think that SoCon family values group had to go and put her up at a podium and stick a mike in her face? Why all the Hannity interviews about her Philosophy and Morals and Struggles? SoCons had it coming.

Posted by: arhooley at November 10, 2009 02:44 AM (jwoys)

415 Anyone still claiming this one isn't a troll?
Anyone left here who doesn't have his head buried between Jim's knees, including Jim?
But, please, backfat, tell us, why are you so obsessed?
Jim, answer the man, he's calling you, probably from below.

Posted by: barbelle at November 10, 2009 02:44 AM (qF8q3)

416 I don't think 138 of a 400 post thread is all that late. And you only really got going around the 40s.

Really thunder thighs, why so serious? They out of Ben Jerry's down at teh Piggley Wiggley?

Posted by: hobgoblin at November 10, 2009 02:44 AM (vEwzd)

417 Weak sauce, chubby barbie. You can do better. Just look at that hair sprouting mole you have on your cheek for a minute and you should be able to find some time of cutting riposte.

Or maybe you can just grab the tweezers.

Better yet: Take this quarter. ... Here's fifty cents -- go have a rat chew that thing off your face.

Posted by: hobgoblin at November 10, 2009 02:48 AM (vEwzd)

418 oh, and since all you morons are "porn-obsessed", here's a treat from out buddy casey kasem above


Posted by: hobgoblin at November 10, 2009 02:49 AM (vEwzd)

419 Posted by: Reggie1971 at November 10, 2009 02:38 AM (Oq21Q)


That obviously needed to be said, but I was kind of hoping we could get barbelle to explain her definition of "Christian" at some point. That's dubious since apparently we're just all supposed to know whatever's going on in her little head-otherwise we're morons. In the bad sense.

Now is she had made the tape for a girlfriend, barbelle might be halfway to having a point. But so far, it really just sounds like barbelle is offended by anyone who would so much as dare to aspire to goodness.

Posted by: Methos at November 10, 2009 02:50 AM (rzT1s)

420 I didn't see this.... how exactly did they get a copy of the tape?

I understand Carrie Prejean having a copy....and she gave it to at least one person. I would assume she knows how it got out there.


Anyway, this being discovered is much better than David Letterman sex tapes being put out there.

Posted by: meep at November 10, 2009 02:50 AM (Jw4eT)

421 414
Yeah, but John the Baptist didn't go around promoting personal hygiene.

Yeah, and I'm pretty sure Miss Prejean hasn't gone around promoting metal mittens.

Posted by: Reggie1971 at November 10, 2009 02:51 AM (Oq21Q)

422 Methos, what is your opinion of Carrie Prejean?

Posted by: eman at November 10, 2009 02:53 AM (jJ2r1)

423 hobgoblin, please tell me there is no casey kasem starring in porn at the other end of your link.

Posted by: Methos at November 10, 2009 02:53 AM (rzT1s)

424 No, and it's not even remotely unsafe. It's a picture of the Divinyls.

Posted by: hobgoblin at November 10, 2009 02:55 AM (vEwzd)

425 Sounds like this tape predates CP's entry into the beauty contest.

Does the contest ask candidates if they have anything in their past that may cause problems later?

Posted by: eman at November 10, 2009 02:56 AM (jJ2r1)

426 Ed (socking as casey kasem above) linked to the "I touch myself" video, and DAYUM that Amphlett woman was an aesthetic marvel.

Posted by: hobgoblin at November 10, 2009 02:56 AM (vEwzd)

427 But so far, it really just sounds like barbelle is offended by anyone who would so much as dare to aspire to goodness.
Another straw man. But you're warmer.
Yeah, and I'm pretty sure Miss Prejean hasn't gone around promoting metal mittens.
Darn it, that's what I get for assuming some people would know who John the Baptist was.

Posted by: barbelle at November 10, 2009 02:57 AM (qF8q3)

428 Posted by: Reggie1971 at November 10, 2009 01:40 AM (Oq21Q) ----------------------Reggie, I don't want to be lectured by someone who can't walk the walk. Carrie hit the lecture circuit, by the way.

Posted by: arhooley at November 10, 2009 02:57 AM (jwoys)

429 Why don't you just say, "Bill Clinton lecturing on marital fidelity" bb and stop pretending to yourself that AOSHQ is a First Things comment section.

Pharisaical indeed.

Christ didn't come down here to help the "good" people you know.

Posted by: hobgoblin at November 10, 2009 03:01 AM (vEwzd)

430 @423

Um, she's attractive and well spoken, as models go. I have a friend that's done some modeling, so I don't find any of those extracarriculars all that shocking. And I've had an overly honest discussions with teenagers today about what sorts of exposure they think is okay, and this seems consistent. I'm sumpathetic to the attacks she's faced, but that's more about the anti-Christian forces dominating our society than about her.

Posted by: Methos at November 10, 2009 03:03 AM (rzT1s)

431 Darn it, that's what I get for assuming some people would know who John the Baptist was.
Posted by: barbelle at November 10, 2009 02:57 AM (qF8q3)
Don't make the assumption that just because you are an illiterate with an utter ignorance of the Bible, that everyone else hereis also.
So, let's talk about things that make you happy. What's you favorite flavor of Häagen-Dazs, and how does that flavor play-off of Mad Dog 20/20 and malt liquor?

Posted by: Jim in San Diego at November 10, 2009 03:05 AM (H7Rlw)

432 No way she could have planned all of this...did you notice she is blond?Posted by: jehu at November 10, 2009 02:13 AM (k8au7) -------------------HA ha, but didn't you notice . . . her roots?

Posted by: arhooley at November 10, 2009 03:05 AM (jwoys)

433 Sorry, hobgoblin, I hadn't seen the previous link to know where you were going with that.

Of course nine times out of ten, a link like that goes to a photo of Helen Thomas.

Posted by: Methos at November 10, 2009 03:06 AM (rzT1s)

434 Defending Carrie Prejean is not the equivalent of defending Christianity or Christian virtues, or the Conservative Cause.

She is a player.

People got played. She made some cash and got some TV time.

And she just got owned.

Posted by: eman at November 10, 2009 03:07 AM (jJ2r1)

435 Because any woman that dyes her hair is a... HYPOCRITE!
Right arhooley?

Posted by: Jim in San Diego at November 10, 2009 03:07 AM (H7Rlw)

436 from the ONT, a little more of the vile, filthy whores with flaxen hair. Pretty much SFW, not safe for bb.

Posted by: hobgoblin at November 10, 2009 03:08 AM (vEwzd)

437 OK, barbelle, what the hell is your problem? You're on here spouting about stuff you say Prejean is, or has done, but all you're doing is being a sanctimonious little witch.
You can't mastubate stillpromote personal hygiene? WTF is that?
Personally, I thinkPrejean is a little high mighty, too, but you're MUCH worse than that. For one thing, if you are a feminist,trashing the hell out of another woman is just downright stupid, let alone against what feminism is actuallysupposed to be about, so that would make you a huge hypocrite.
Then, again, maybe you're just one of those women that hate men, because for all the vitriol you've been spouting that's how you're coming across. You don't need to denigrate to get a point across...that is, if you actually have one. I've read the entire thread, and honestly, the only point you'vegotten across is that you know how to be hateful.
It surely must suck to be you.
AND, I don't intend to engage you further. Debating or sparring with a hypocrite is, well, laughable.

Posted by: Steph at November 10, 2009 03:09 AM (/CtkQ)

438 Don't make the assumption that just because you are an illiterate with an utter ignorance of the Bible, that everyone else hereis also.
Liar,,,,,,,,,,,,
So, let's talk about things that make you happy. What's you favorite flavor of Häagen-Dazs, and how does that flavor play-off of Mad Dog 20/20 and malt liquor?
I'm not your mom. If you'd stop tossing Hobgoblin's salad you'd notice.

Posted by: barbelle at November 10, 2009 03:10 AM (qF8q3)

439 arhooley,

Did Gen. Gleen really say this (from your site)

"There is simply no way that a person with even the most minimal levels
of intellectual integrity could have objected to these actions during
the Bush years yet defend them now that Obama is doing them."



--Glenn Greenwald, Salon, October 26 2009

Unbelievable.


Posted by: hobgoblin at November 10, 2009 03:12 AM (vEwzd)

440 John the Baptist who lived as a hermit and ate honey and, um, something. And doesn't seemed to have bathed much aside from baptizing in the river Jordan as a sign of the one whose sandals he was not fit to tie. Who got the short end of a drunken father-daughter dare. That John the Baptist?

I didn't comment, because on a first read it seemed you were suggesting he was the one perfect fellow. Which is wrong, but you haven;t given me much reason to think you know of what you write.

Posted by: Methos at November 10, 2009 03:12 AM (rzT1s)

441 If you'd stop tossing Hobgoblin's salad you'd notice.
Posted by: barbelle at November 10, 2009 03:10 AM (qF8q3)
You talk like a whore. I hope you don't suck customers off with that mouth.

Posted by: Jim in San Diego at November 10, 2009 03:13 AM (H7Rlw)

442 437,

meh, too plastic-like for me. Now some hot Asian or AA chicks, that would be cool.

Posted by: eman at November 10, 2009 03:13 AM (jJ2r1)

443
I've got a boner and a camera. Film at eleventy!!111!!!1!!!!1!

Posted by: Bwany Fwank at November 10, 2009 03:14 AM (rYWEB)

444 Wow, what twisted sex acts are you going to have Steph do to me now, dumbelle?

I'm having the night of my life!

Funny how you are so chaste and proper yet know all the nasty sexual activities of the degenerate filth. And engage the thoughts with such VIGOR!

I'm thinking that dumbelle is going to be pushing some pudenda tonight . . . . .

Posted by: hobgoblin at November 10, 2009 03:15 AM (vEwzd)

445 Because any woman that dyes her hair is a... HYPOCRITE!Right arhooley?Posted by: Jim in San Diego at November 10, 2009 03:07 AM (H7Rlw) --------------Jim, you're coming down with a bad case of Enemies Under the Bed. Jehu made a funny joke. I laughed. Then I joked back that Carrie's not actually a blonde.

Posted by: arhooley at November 10, 2009 03:16 AM (jwoys)

446 444,

Don't get any on the mary jane.

Posted by: eman at November 10, 2009 03:17 AM (jJ2r1)

447 Wow, what twisted sex acts are you going to have Steph do to me now, dumbelle?

Teabagging, no doubt.

Posted by: Methos at November 10, 2009 03:18 AM (rzT1s)

448 I apologize arhooley. Hard to tell the jokers from the trolls tonight.

Posted by: Jim in San Diego at November 10, 2009 03:18 AM (H7Rlw)

449 Seriously, how fucking stupid does Fwank think everyone is? Even if you can't spot the phenotype on sight, at least teh smell should be a clue, huh?

arhooley, I'm hoping that Jim was teasing back, not serious. Now if it was RyanZ, maybe I'd think he was truly offended.


Posted by: hobgoblin at November 10, 2009 03:19 AM (vEwzd)

450 Teabagging, no doubt.
Posted by: Methos

I've heard of that. It involves marching, right. Does it hurt?

Posted by: eman at November 10, 2009 03:19 AM (jJ2r1)

451 Is it just me, or does she look like three different people in her appearance in the Miss USA Pageant, in her nude pictures and in her interviews?
Personally, I think that she looked her best in that pageant, a real 10, and since then she has been only a 4 or a 5.
Personally, also, I would take her (and I would be grateful) if she was only a 2 or a 3.

Posted by: Doug at November 10, 2009 03:20 AM (Cta0m)

452 Methos, ha!

I haven't had this much sex since before #1 was conceived.

Posted by: hobgoblin at November 10, 2009 03:21 AM (vEwzd)

453 Not that I give a shit what CP does or doesnt do, but Barbelle you said she did this after promoting herself as some paragon of family vaules. Uhm, no. She made the tape as a kid, then grew up, became famous due to controversy and the douche she gave it to sold her out. She is dumber than a box of rocks, but no one really deserves that shiteous treatment. I was a teen who wouldnt want everything I did put up for public consumption, (or any of it), but if it came out, so what? I am an adult, that was the past, and I made many, many, many mistakes. She should be out of the limelight soon, anyway. I predict her book wont do all that well, and she will fade into obscurity soon. So, no biggie.

Posted by: di butler at November 10, 2009 03:22 AM (S3xX1)

454

I've heard of that. It involves marching, right. Does it hurt?

I don't know, it's something Obama was talking about. I didn't read all that closely, so I probably missed the important part. Anyway it's late and barbelle has gotten boring. Good night to everyone else.

Posted by: Methos at November 10, 2009 03:22 AM (rzT1s)

455 hobgoblin 440,
True! It's at http://tinyurl.com/yj5uhxs. You have to scroll, because there's a river of bile. Greenwald turned against the Bamster for lack of leftist enthusiasm long ago.

Posted by: arhooley at November 10, 2009 03:23 AM (jwoys)

456 #2 I just stopped laughing - where is my left lung?

Posted by: Bubba Thudd at November 10, 2009 03:24 AM (bFy4C)

457 Uh...guys...I'm kind of new here, but I was taking your side. I don't have anything to do with barbelle, so WTF?

Posted by: Steph at November 10, 2009 03:24 AM (/CtkQ)

458 Methos, you're right. Unless she's spraying spittle and writing a 500 word excoriation, my guess is that she finally passed out from teh rotgut whiskey she's been swilling (it's the only thing that can make one THAT irrationally belligerent)

g'night

Posted by: hobgoblin at November 10, 2009 03:25 AM (vEwzd)

459 If you're disinclined to forgive Ms. Prejean for some youthful
indiscretion, then I hope your own youth was unspotted by carnality and
I doubly hope your own children are likewise. This Christianity thing
makes a big deal about forgiveness. So, the fact that Ms. Prejean needs
it is fitting. If we all didn't need it, there'd be no reason to become
a Christian.

I'm not quite sure that the issue is an inclination or disinclination to forgive a youthful indiscretion. As an agnostic myself, it seems to me that one of the most powerful arguments for Christianity that could possibly be made would be the example of Christians doing their level best to live up to an exceptional moral code even while acknowledging the realities of human nature that prevent this from ever being perfectly achieved.

From my perspective, Christianity has helped to make the civilization in which I am fortunate to live, more beneficent and benign than any other that has ever been achieved by mankind.

I think that a great deal of tension arises when exemplars of human frailty and ignorance are held up as something to be tacitly approved or at least minimized by Christians, so long as they can make a public show of forgiveness and tolerance, rather than something to be acknowledged as undesirable.

If we all didn't need it [forgiveness], there'd be no reason to become
a Christian.

True, but if there is no such thing as any sort of line that can be trespassed then there is no need for forgiveness.

Posted by: Deety at November 10, 2009 03:26 AM (aVzyR)

460 Steph,

Welcome. We're not ragging on you. The fact that you took our side means that you will inevitably be clumped with teh various sexual degenerates that dumbelle is accusing of fornicating with me, since she has no obvious talent for invective.

You are not a target, but may feel some slight effects of collateral damage.


Posted by: hobgoblin at November 10, 2009 03:27 AM (vEwzd)

461 Let he who is without sin cast the first stone.

I am a Christian, when I was a teenager I was a many things and none of them aligned with my faith. I rebelled. I grew up. I asked for forgiveness. Liberals and Non-Christians have no concept on God's grace. It would anger me except...I know in the end I will pray that they will see the light. Its sad.

Posted by: Jenifer at November 10, 2009 03:27 AM (GM2OJ)

462 hobgoblin...don't worry about me. I can take anything that heifer can dish out.

Posted by: Steph at November 10, 2009 03:29 AM (/CtkQ)

463 You can't mastubate stillpromote personal hygiene? WTF is that?
HA HA HA! Oh my word you're an IDIOT!!!
Now you all know, I was waiting for the dumbest comment in the thread. Congrats, Steph, it really took a lot to beat out Little Jimmy.
And, since more than than one person missed what I considered to be completely obvious to anyone who's read the Bible -- which would exclude all my detractors -- permit me to reveal your ignorance to yourselves...
John the Baptist lived in the wilderness, like a wild man,and many people thought he was crazy. He also did not worry about being well clothed, living in animal skins, so his appearance would be unkempt. Geez, even if you watched a bad film on Jesus, John was portrayed like that.
So...when the comment was made that only one person ever lived without sin, my response was that John the Baptist, who was a Christian, didn't go around espousing personal hygiene, either. He had his faults, just like every person Christian or otherwise, but he didn't hold himself up as an example in the areas where his faults existed. Get it?
And you think I'm saying Prejean can't talk about hygiene. That's RICH!
Oh, and I don't give a solid waste how I sound to you.

Posted by: barbelle at November 10, 2009 03:30 AM (qF8q3)

Posted by: Steph at November 10, 2009 03:32 AM (/CtkQ)

465 You talk like a whore. I hope you don't suck customers off with that mouth.
You act like a whore, and I'm sure your Mommy trained you personally.

Posted by: barbelle at November 10, 2009 03:33 AM (qF8q3)

466 Geezez, Jennifer, you sure know how to clear a room. And it ain't your deodorant or your mouthwash.

Posted by: Doug at November 10, 2009 03:33 AM (Cta0m)

467 lulz, Steph, heifer! that was the one I couldn't think of! I was trying to remember every juvenile name we called my sister growing up (she wasn't actually fat, but it was fun anyway, she got us back plenty) and one kept bubbling up but I couldn't remember it.

Nice.

with that, morons and moronettes, I bid you good night.

Posted by: hobgoblin at November 10, 2009 03:34 AM (vEwzd)

468 Deety, I agreety.Jenifer, fine, but there's a point where sinners should just humbly move off, don't you think? I was listening to CP on Hannity's radio show today and apparently her book contains Rules for Girls on how to behave. I hope she's telling it from a sort of "Take it from me, I've been there" perspective.That top post on your blog is great, btw.

Posted by: arhooley at November 10, 2009 03:35 AM (jwoys)

469 Wow, what twisted sex acts are you going to have Steph do to me now, dumbelle?
You mean there's something she hasn't done?I'm having the night of my life!
How very flattering for your family!

Posted by: barbelle at November 10, 2009 03:36 AM (qF8q3)

470 Oh, baby I just can't quit you, dumbelle.

You managed to crawl up out of your puddle of regurgitated chubby hubby and evan williams enough to scrawl out a little love note to Steph.

Now don't you be cheating on our true love with none of that lezbionnic bullshit I've heard tell about.

Again, tell us please how it is that you know every single aspect of this retarded beauty queen's short and brutish life?


Posted by: hobgoblin at November 10, 2009 03:38 AM (vEwzd)

471 And now I, too, must go to sleep. Good night, all.

Posted by: arhooley at November 10, 2009 03:38 AM (jwoys)

472 Jenifer, fine, but there's a point where sinners should just humbly move off, don't you think?
WTF!?
Care to explain?

Posted by: Jim in San Diego at November 10, 2009 03:39 AM (H7Rlw)

473 Oh, baby I just can't quit you, dumbelle.
Now now, Jim is the liar in this thread. Scurry off and tell your family what a great night you just had whimpering out insults and tasting Jim's colon.

Posted by: barbelle at November 10, 2009 03:40 AM (qF8q3)

474 Jenifer, fine, but there's a point where sinners should just humbly move off, don't you think?
WTF!?
Care to explain?
Oh NO, a crowbar has been inserted into Jim's closed mind! Good thing it slid right up the chute.
How DARE you think aChristian should actually LIVE by the values they espouse! FIE upon you!

Posted by: barbelle at November 10, 2009 03:44 AM (qF8q3)

475 arehooley, I'm a fooley,

I think about stuff like this (and stuff not at all like this) all the time. Don't usually say much about it. Thanks for saying you saw it.

Posted by: Deety at November 10, 2009 03:45 AM (aVzyR)

476 I agree with arh that yes, a sinner should be forgiven, but that their sin does not entitle them to attention or praise simply for rejecting it. Like Spitzer's attempted comeback and Edwards unseemly never-leaving

If you fuck up badly enough, you should be forgiven, but there's no place in public life for you. A masturbation vid by a teenage girl, for her boyfriend, is not the kind of massive fuckup that should get you cast out from society. If she starts using this as a vehicle to garner more publicity and sympathy, then she should get the real-life banhammer and be essentially shunned.

Still wouldn't give someone a right to claim that she had VD. That's plain mean.

Posted by: hobgoblin at November 10, 2009 03:45 AM (vEwzd)

477 No! Il\'ll never leave you. Your gravitaional attraction for one reason. But funny how you never mention anyone else in your life. Could it be? COULD IT FUCKING BE? that such a sweet and lovely flower like yourself is miserable and alone, garnering her only human contact from the cold internet glow, and not just having the odd sleepless night like some of us?

Kiddo, insulting my sexuality is pretty pointless. But it seems like pointing out the 10 pounds of cottage cheese you're smuggling in each thigh has gotten you on edge.

I'm sorry baby, don't be mad. I'll never laugh about your avoirdupois again.

Posted by: hobgoblin at November 10, 2009 03:49 AM (vEwzd)

478 Go AWAY, Hobgoblin, your pretend family wants you!

Posted by: barbelle at November 10, 2009 03:50 AM (qF8q3)

479 Aw, what's the matter, Hob, all upset that Jim is a bigger liar than you? Okay, you can stay, your "family" will wait I'm sure.

Posted by: barbelle at November 10, 2009 03:52 AM (qF8q3)

480 Tsk tsk sweetheart. You're not so attractive when you're angry.

It makes the gravy come out of your pores.

Posted by: hobgoblin at November 10, 2009 03:52 AM (vEwzd)

481 Still wouldn't give someone a right to claim that she had VD. That's plain mean.
O my, HB makes a fabulous hypocrite.

Posted by: barbelle at November 10, 2009 03:53 AM (qF8q3)

482 Yep. It's all a fascade. A beautiful facade that I've built to house our undying love. If only you would love me as much as you love deep fried snickers bars.

Posted by: hobgoblin at November 10, 2009 03:54 AM (vEwzd)

483 Tsk tsk sweetheart. You're not so attractive when you're angry.
It makes the gravy come out of your pores.
Not to worry, Jim will calm down. He was just expecting more from your girth.

Posted by: barbelle at November 10, 2009 03:55 AM (qF8q3)

484 Just remember this was all started by a guy who admits to enjoying anal sex with other guys and named himself after a skank famous having a sex tape.

Carrie is still by far the most decent and moral person in this story.

Posted by: Aaron at November 10, 2009 03:56 AM (pVvKc)

485 "hypocrite"

Gee, Beaver, do ya think that might be something called sarcasm?

What's the matter, you don't like it when someone ridicules you with baseless and hurtful accusations?

Try not doing it to other people then.

Posted by: hobgoblin at November 10, 2009 03:57 AM (vEwzd)

486 So arhooley, where's the ruling on whatspecific sin Carrie Prejaen committed? I'm not finding it in the Bible.
Is that one of those made-up sins of propriety some self-identified Christians like to cite in an effort to make themselves feel better?

Posted by: Jim in San Diego at November 10, 2009 03:59 AM (H7Rlw)

487 Yep. It's all a fascade.
Yes, a mesmerizing fas-cade, adrift on a sea of Jim's tears, interspersed with his unsown love juice. Will he ever recover from his disappointment? Will he ever truly know a man who could convincingly taunt instead of kneel and pose as target? What he would do for such a man, a man with more than one note in his melody, more than one-half to his wits, more than one inch in his pants...
But, he must settle for Hob.
Verily, the most dismal of fas-cades.

Posted by: barbelle at November 10, 2009 04:01 AM (qF8q3)

488 barbelle, just remember that Jesus loves you.
The rest of us, not so much.

Posted by: Jim in San Diego at November 10, 2009 04:03 AM (H7Rlw)

489 "Your gravitational attraction for one reason."
Are you saying that she is so fat that she has her own gravitational field? You mean she is so fat that, besides the moon, earth now has another satellite?

Posted by: Doug at November 10, 2009 04:03 AM (Cta0m)

490 Is that one of those made-up sins of propriety some self-identified
Christians like to cite in an effort to make themselves feel better?

What the fuck is your problem with propriety?

Barbarian Asshole.

Posted by: Deety at November 10, 2009 04:06 AM (aVzyR)

491 UGG boots,
Nike airmax 2009 traienrs
Nike shox tainers,

www.footwearclothes.com

Posted by: linfp2009 at November 10, 2009 04:07 AM (R081o)

492 I'm not saying she's fat, but she does have so many double chins she looks like she is
staring at you over a pile of pancakes.

Oh, please Ms. Anti-pedant (your hypocrisy really does know no bounds, does it?). PLEASE correct my spelling on a comment board at AOSHQ at 1AM. That by definition means you are SUPERIOR in every way. Bow down to barbella, boys, the queen of the universe.



Posted by: hobgoblin at November 10, 2009 04:08 AM (vEwzd)

493 493 Is that one of those made-up sins of propriety some self-identified Christians like to cite in an effort to make themselves feel better?What the fuck is your problem with propriety?Barbarian Asshole.
Posted by: Deety at November 10, 2009 04:06 AM (aVzyR)

Posted by: Jim in San Diego at November 10, 2009 04:09 AM (H7Rlw)

494 Gee, Beaver, do ya think that might be something called sarcasm?What's the matter, you don't like it when someone ridicules you with baseless and hurtful accusations? Try not doing it to other people then.
Hello? What makes you think I could possibly care what or how or who you ridicule?
You just adnitted you don't think your behavior is any better than mine. I agree. In fact, it's worse. You're weak. I don't use other people's behavior to justify my own. I don't have to justify myself to whatever you think you are.
So go tuck yourself in with your pretend family and keep patting yourself on the back, loser. Someone has to.

Posted by: barbelle at November 10, 2009 04:09 AM (qF8q3)

495 Who's the asshole of an ex-boyfriend who released this private tape and how much was he paid by the beauty pageant lawyers? I'm sure there's a few ethics violations going on here that could get them disbarred.

Posted by: Aaron at November 10, 2009 04:10 AM (pVvKc)

496 barbelle, I feel bad.
You left me out of your latest string of insults.

Posted by: Jim in San Diego at November 10, 2009 04:11 AM (H7Rlw)

497 Five minute warning. I gotta go to bed soon, so get your blows in while you can barbelle.

Posted by: Jim in San Diego at November 10, 2009 04:13 AM (H7Rlw)

498 barbelle, just remember that Jesus loves you.
The rest of us, not so much.
Trust me,I can understand why Jesus wouldn't care for you. That whole Matthew7 thing.

Posted by: barbelle at November 10, 2009 04:13 AM (qF8q3)

499 You're more dense than a neutron star aren't you?

I'm not justifying my behavior by saying tu quoque, I'm trying to illustrate how off-putting and vile that behavior is. In other words, stop being a bitch, since no one likes it when you are.

Seriously, you gotta tell me, this is a little schtick you got going, right? You're not really this misathropic and bitter all teh time are you?

No wonder you didn't say anything about having anyone on your life. Now I have no real desire to be mean to you, for either instruction or for jokes. I just pity you.

I'm sorry that life has left you so miserable.

Posted by: hobgoblin at November 10, 2009 04:15 AM (vEwzd)

500 'Pologize to Ace.

$15 in the paypal swear jar.

It was funny in context.

Posted by: Deety at November 10, 2009 04:16 AM (aVzyR)

501 Trust me,I can understand why Jesus wouldn't care for you. That whole Matthew7 thing.
Posted by: barbelle at November 10, 2009 04:13 AM (qF8q3)
Not at all, I judged you by the same standards I follow myself, so Matthew 7works just fine for me.

Posted by: Jim in San Diego at November 10, 2009 04:16 AM (H7Rlw)

502 Oh, please Ms. Anti-pedant (your hypocrisy really does know no bounds, does it?). PLEASE correct my spelling on a comment board at AOSHQ at 1AM. That by definition means you are SUPERIOR in every way. Bow down to barbella, boys, the queen of the universe.
WHERE did I EVER correct your spelling?
I mocked it, because you're stupid.
But you can still bow if you're so inclined. You'll be breaking one of the Big Ten, though, naughty naughty.
barbelle, I feel bad.
You left me out of your latest string of insults.
You've been boring and failed to inspire.

Posted by: barbelle at November 10, 2009 04:17 AM (qF8q3)

503 How DARE you think aChristian should actually LIVE by the values they espouse!

"LIVED" not "LIVE". She made a long time ago you know. And when did she preached about being modest in sex? And how come making a tape she made is so immodest. It's not like she was engaged in some orgy.

I'm not a Christian, but I come to respect this religion after seing the emphasis it puts on the value of innocent life. However it is degenerates like you who much more concerned with observing some abstract Taliban-like code and damning (or actually killing like some Christians in the past and many Muslims now) anyone who doesn't is one thing that ruining it's appeal. Your notion of "morals" (better described as "modesty" since it has nothing to do with real moral) is something that you can agree upon with all kinds of lowlifes from radical muslims to chinese communists. There is nothing wrong or immoral in making a tape like she did, there is everything wrong and immoral in hating innocent person because of that.

Also


Posted by: AlexD at November 10, 2009 04:17 AM (PkL9E)

504 504 'Pologize to Ace.$15 in the paypal swear jar.It was funny in context.
Posted by: Deety at November 10, 2009 04:16 AM (aVzyR)
It was funny, so I'm sure Ace will forgive you.

Posted by: Jim in San Diego at November 10, 2009 04:18 AM (H7Rlw)

505 it's strange you claim you are not a Christian. Are you a muslim? Atheist? Agnostic? How you managed to take only the worst part of this religion?

Posted by: AlexD at November 10, 2009 04:19 AM (PkL9E)

506 You're more dense than a neutron star aren't you?
Golly, an astronomical object. Which orifice was that lodged in?I'm not justifying my behavior by saying tu quoque,
Of course you were, scumbag. Now you're pulling your foot out of your mouth. Or trying to.
I'm trying to illustrate how off-putting and vile that blah blah blah....
Stick to your fat lines, your pretend family laughs harder at those.

Posted by: barbelle at November 10, 2009 04:22 AM (qF8q3)

507 OK, I see. That was funny barbella. There's no way she can be serious guys. I mean come on, after hammering a girl for making a sex tape when she was a teenager and being perhaps the biggest douche in the history of the intertubes, she cites to Matthew 7.

That's it. She's just a parody.

Well played bb.

Posted by: hobgoblin at November 10, 2009 04:22 AM (vEwzd)

508 Umm, first.

Where the hell do I find Ace's paypal link again?

I just went down to my lowest level of allowed java script bullshit other than insane-stupid to scan the main page and can't find it.


Posted by: Deety at November 10, 2009 04:25 AM (aVzyR)

509 Not at all, I judged you by the same standards I follow myself, so Matthew 7works just fine for me.
You have no standards, Liar. Call me a troll again, I dare ya.

Posted by: barbelle at November 10, 2009 04:26 AM (qF8q3)

510 512 Umm, first. Where the hell do I find Ace's paypal link again?I just went down to my lowest level of allowed java script bullshit other than insane-stupid to scan the main page and can't find it.
Posted by: Deety at November 10, 2009 04:25 AM (aVzyR)

http://tiny.cc/XzJEO
Upper left side of the page, just under the first or second ad.

Posted by: Jim in San Diego at November 10, 2009 04:27 AM (H7Rlw)

511 OK, I see. That was funny barbella. There's no way she can be serious guys. I mean come on, after hammering a girl for making a sex tape when she was a teenager and being perhaps the biggest douche in the history of the intertubes, she cites to Matthew 7.
Know your enemy. That's from "The Art of War." You should read books. Or, a book.
I figured I'd blow your mind when you discovered I knew more about Christianity than whatever you are and Jim.
And no, Christians are not my enemy, just Christian pukes like you two who drag yourwitness through the mud with your behavior here.
It didn't take much prodding for the fas-cade to fall.
Now, go have funwith your pretend family with your pretend Christianity.
Night of your life, huh kid? Yep, I've seen movies, too.

Posted by: barbelle at November 10, 2009 04:35 AM (qF8q3)

512 I figured I'd blow your mind when you discovered I knew more about Christianity than whatever you are and Jim.
Yeah, awesome job of working Google, you could like totallybe a like a Pharisee, or something.

Posted by: Jim in San Diego at November 10, 2009 04:43 AM (H7Rlw)

513 Second.

However it is degenerates like you who much more concerned with
observing some abstract Taliban-like code and damning (or actually
killing like some Christians in the past and many Muslims now) anyone
who doesn't is one thing that ruining it's appeal. Your notion of
"morals" (better described as "modesty" since it has nothing to do with
real moral) is something that you can agree upon with all kinds of
lowlifes from radical muslims to chinese communists.

I gots huge problems with this.

Slander and Bigotry.

And if you think that you should be able to let this sort of ignorant bullshit get through, just because you are cloaking it under the guise of a personal attack against a specific poster who is clearly under approbation in this particular thread because she has been obnoxious and contentious, you are wrong!

Barbelle may be just plain mean.

But she certainly is not as evil as someone who would seek to equate Christian values with the murderous actions and intentions of the Taliban and Communists.

Posted by: Deety at November 10, 2009 04:48 AM (aVzyR)

514 Yeah, awesome job of working Google, you could like totallybe a like a Pharisee, or something.
I wouldn't stoop to your tricks, liar. I don't have to.

And thanks, Deety, I think, lol. Comparing me to terrorists is usually Effort 20 in a male-to-female argument. Efforts 1-19 deal with various insults to the female's looks. So I came here to set my watch.
I wasn't expecting an intellectual conversation on this topic. Good thing, huh?

Posted by: barbelle at November 10, 2009 05:03 AM (qF8q3)

515 PREJEAN BEAN TWIDDLING EXECUTIVE SUMMARY

Everybody got their panties in a wad about some hot, but not particularly bright, chick the gheys don't like doing something really stupid and being forced to withdraw her employment discrimination lawsuit. Reading more than the first 100 comments is a waste of your valuable time and resources. And allegedly Barbelle is hot, for future reference.

Posted by: Herr Morgenholz at November 10, 2009 05:13 AM (5Xf3c)

516 I gots huge problems with this.Slander and Bigotry.And
if you think that you should be able to let this sort of ignorant
bullshit get through, just because you are cloaking it under the guise
of a personal attack against a specific poster who is clearly under
approbation in this particular thread because she has been obnoxious
and contentious, you are wrong!Barbelle may be just plain mean.But she certainly is not as evil as someone who would seek to equate Christian values with the murderous actions and intentions of the Taliban and Communists.


Fine. Because I got huge problem with your ingnorant bullshit.

First I don't give a damn about an artficial code of conduct you call "Christian values". In my understanding the only values that make Chrstianity great are those that deal with not harming others in your pursuits. You know "thou shall not murder" and such. The rest have ZERO DIFFERENCE from those of Islam or simple modesty sentiments found across the globe and in all backwards countries. The one real (and very significant) exception is that say Islam goes a bit further (like prohibiting being in seclusion and such) and actually mandates violence in case of disobedience.

Anyway if you can point out the difference between sentiments of Muslims saying "being immodest in sex is bad and contradicts our Muslim religious values" and Christians saying "being immodest in sex is bad and contradicts our Christian religious values" please do. And no pure namecalling and whining like your post above won't do.

However I suppose I should just be gratefull you won't ruin my life for having threesome like you would should I violate some other "modesty" stuff like use any drug besides alcohol and nicotine.

Posted by: AlexD at November 10, 2009 05:19 AM (PkL9E)

517 Comparing me to terrorists is usually Effort 20 in a male-to-female argument.


If you weren't as stupid as you are you would actually got the point. You compare perfectly with terrorists in the sense that you have the same "modesty" sentiments that have nothing to do with true morals which you try to pass as something noble. I didn't implied that you are as bloodthirsty as them. In the same sense I compare to a thug since we both have a desire for money. That doesn't imply I would go and murder people for that. However you already prooved to be too dumb to comprehend that.

Posted by: AlexD at November 10, 2009 05:25 AM (PkL9E)

518 Anyway if you can point out the difference between sentiments of
Muslims saying "being immodest in sex is bad and contradicts our Muslim
religious values" and Christians saying "being immodest in sex is bad
and contradicts our Christian religious values" please do.

Christians pray for the sexually immodest. Muslims cut their heads off with a dull spoon.

What do I win?

Posted by: Herr Morgenholz at November 10, 2009 05:27 AM (5Xf3c)

519 And allegedly Barbelle is hot, for future reference.
Because that's what's really important. And no, I'm not. But I am mean.
Anyway if you can point out the difference between sentiments of Muslims saying "being immodest in sex is bad and contradicts our Muslim religious values" and Christians saying "being immodest in sex is bad and contradicts our Christian religious values" please do. And no pure namecalling and whining like your post above won't do.
How about you just have a brain in your head that tells you certain behaviors are wrong? Not only is taping your "Jilling Off" improper to do with your boyfriend as an unmarried teen, it's breathlessly stupid in the extreme.
If you can't figure that out without the guidance of some religious tome, then you're beyond damaged and we may as well just toss you out withthe offal.

Posted by: barbelle at November 10, 2009 05:33 AM (qF8q3)

520
And allegedly Barbelle is hot, for future reference.
Because that's what's really important. And no, I'm not. But I am mean.
Mean can be hot. In any individual case, though, poking with a sharp stick is the preferred method of determining if that is the case.

Posted by: Herr Morgenholz at November 10, 2009 05:36 AM (5Xf3c)

521 Christians pray for the sexually immodest. Muslims cut their heads off with a dull spoon.

What do I win?

Posted by: Herr Morgenholz at November 10, 2009 05:27 AM (5Xf3c)

Nothing really. Like I said I pointed to the nature of the sentiment itself. I don't doubt that christians unlike muslims are civilized enough not to go berserk about it or even to judge such sinners.

Posted by: AlexD at November 10, 2009 05:37 AM (PkL9E)

522 Hey Barbelle,

I think that it's pretty clear that you didn't come in expecting an intellectual argument, in fact, I'm pretty sure that you militated against it.

Doesn't stop me from asking my own questions , but...

At the same time, I have to say that your style brought a sulfurous whiff of a more Olde Tymee AOS.

<sniffs, appreciatively>

So, what's your beef, really?






Posted by: Deety at November 10, 2009 05:40 AM (aVzyR)

523 Whoops!

Now I get it!

Posted by: Deety at November 10, 2009 05:44 AM (aVzyR)

524 If you weren't as stupid as you are you would actually got the point. You compare perfectly with terrorists in the sense that you have the same "modesty" sentiments that have nothing to do with true morals which you try to pass as something noble.
Wow, you got all of that out of this thread? This thread. You sure? Gee, whoda thunk I was passing all that off as noble. And I thought this was a waste of time.
I didn't implied that you are as bloodthirsty as them. In the same sense I compare to a thug since we both have a desire for money. That doesn't imply I would go and murder people for that.
How dare you insult thugs and murderers with such a comparison.
However you already prooved to be too dumb to comprehend that.
Oh, I am prooved to be too dumb to decipher your twaddle? Let's see, perhaps if I became smarter I would be granted the Insight Into Twaddle. While admittedly it does take intelligence to discern the patterns found in chaos, would that additional intelligence be worth the burden of comprehending thetwaddle emanating from the worthless? If Ihad this path to choose, would I do so willingly, knowing at the end any twaddle-bearing fruit would taste wooden and dry on the intellectual pallet?
Tis a conundrum, O Speck of Self-Proclaimed Superiority.

Posted by: barbelle at November 10, 2009 05:47 AM (qF8q3)

525 How about you just have a brain in your head that tells you certain
behaviors are wrong? Not only is taping your "Jilling Off" improper to
do with your boyfriend as an unmarried teen, it's breathlessly stupid
in the extreme.
If you can't figure that out without the guidance of some religious
tome, then you're beyond damaged and we may as well just toss you out
withthe offal.


Thank you Muhammad. You see dear retard the only behaviour my brain telling me is wrong is that which involve hurting innocent people. Like murder, rape, robbery and to a lesser degree say cheating, yes cheating.

Your brain telling you some other behaviours are wrong? Fine, just please refrain from harming innocent people that don't conform to whatever your brain is telling you.
Your lack of comprehension prevented you from understanding my question. WHAT DIFFERS YOUR BRAIN TELLING YOU THAT SOME ARTIFICIAL NON-HARMING BEHAVIOURS ARE "WRONG" FROM THE BRAINS OF ISLAMISTS TELLING THEM EXCECT SAME THING ABOUT OTHER BEGAVIOURS?

Also if someday my brain would tell me wearing white is "wrong" is it okay I will despise people because of that?

Posted by: AlexD at November 10, 2009 05:48 AM (PkL9E)

526 I don't know what this "Flipping the Olive" is, but it doesn't sound good.

Posted by: Father Murphy at November 10, 2009 05:50 AM (5Xf3c)

527 Whoops!Now I get it!

I'm going to bed.

Posted by: barbelle at November 10, 2009 05:51 AM (qF8q3)

528 Also if someday my brain would tell me wearing white is "wrong" is it okay I will despise people because of that?

Is this before or after Memorial Day?

Posted by: Herr Morgenholz at November 10, 2009 05:52 AM (5Xf3c)

529 Alex D,

It would seem that you have an issue with "artificial" codes of conduct based on religious values.

What code of conduct do you personally subscribe to that is "natural" as opposed to "artificial".

What are some of the basic principals of your superior "natural" code of conduct.

How do you distinguish between an "authentic" and an "artificial" code of conduct.

Posted by: Deety at November 10, 2009 05:53 AM (aVzyR)

530 Wow, you got all of that out of this thread? This thread. You sure?
Gee, whoda thunk I was passing all that off as noble. And I thought
this was a waste of time.


Are you of your meds? So now Carries behaviour (tape) is not abhorent and refraining from it is not noble? That's exact opposite of what you've been shouting about in all posts but this one.

Anyone else here, is she really just troll? Cause this post doesn't make sense.

Posted by: AlexD at November 10, 2009 05:53 AM (PkL9E)

531 What's the big deal? 90% of all humans masterbate. The other 10% have no arms.

Posted by: CDR M at November 10, 2009 05:56 AM (cvmTR)

532 You see dear retard the only behaviour my brain telling me is wrong is that which involve hurting innocent people. Like murder, rape, robbery and to a lesser degree say cheating, yes cheating.
LOL. You're a real fruitcake.

Posted by: barbelle at November 10, 2009 05:58 AM (qF8q3)

533 What's the big deal? 90% of all humans masterbate. The other 10% have no arms.

Posted by: CDR M at November 10, 2009 05:56 AM (cvmTR)
It's called a spin cycle.

Posted by: Woman With No Arms at November 10, 2009 06:00 AM (5Xf3c)

534 Also if someday my brain would tell me wearing white is "wrong" is it okay I will despise people because of that?

No, of course not.

And you know that.

I worry about someone like you though. What kind of person thinks about "their brain" as if it is some sort of separate and autonomous power.



Posted by: Deety at November 10, 2009 06:15 AM (aVzyR)

535 Alex D,It would seem that you have an issue with "artificial" codes of conduct based on religious values.What code of conduct do you personally subscribe to that is "natural" as opposed to "artificial".What are some of the basic principals of your superior "natural" code of conduct.How do you distinguish between an "authentic" and an "artificial" code of conduct.


I have an issue with them because many of those who subscrime to them would a) damage innocent people for not subscribing b) damage me for not subscribing Nowdays in all non muslim countries it's primarily for illicit drug use or prostitution.

My code is very simple: value innocent life and avoid harming innocent people. Is it "natural"? I don't know and frankly don't care. But when I say "artificial" I mean anything but that. The reality is that wherever you asked to explain your code you will always try to "justfy" it on the above grounds. Otherwise you reduced to saying "It's just the thing my brain tells me" and somehow many are not comfortable with just that.

Also the unfortunate reality is that those who do not subscribe to Christianity (really not nominally) with all it's modesty norms are much more likely to be a human crap which does not believe in the value of innocent life a bit. Like pornstars or prostitutes. I have no problem with what they doing but the reality is that nearly all of them are also lowlifes.


Posted by: AlexD at November 10, 2009 06:16 AM (PkL9E)

536 What kind of person thinks about "their brain" as if it is some sort of separate and autonomous power.

It does what I tell it to.

Posted by: Herr Morgenholz's Little Brain at November 10, 2009 06:19 AM (5Xf3c)

537 That categorization right there demonstrates the futility of reasoning
with you. Because all you did, Carrie, was touch yourself! For your
boyfriend. Whom you're not married to. In front of a camera. Without
telling anyone. After being appointed a family spokesperson. And
promoting yourself as a Christian. With strong Christian values. And
suing a pageant fora wad of cash for alleged rule violations. And
telling your story to multiple talk shows and crowds. And making money
off this value promotion. And excusing the "model" pictures because
they were"part of being a model."

By this logic, no one who smoked some weed in high school can say doing drugs is a bad idea when they're 25 or 30. No wait, by this logic, someone who did weed in high school can't say they don't approve of gay marriage. Or be a Christian. Got it.

Posted by: Tom in Korea at November 10, 2009 06:21 AM (nS7nk)

538 I worry about someone like you though. What kind of person thinks
about "their brain" as if it is some sort of separate and autonomous
power.


I was replying to this barbelle troll. She mentioned that not me so you may start worring about her. My point is that if you start hardcorely believing in anything but the value of innocent life where does it stops? For example the dress you think is perfectly ok may very well be considered "immoderate" in some parts of the world and warrant many bad things.

Posted by: AlexD at November 10, 2009 06:21 AM (PkL9E)

539 You see dear retard the only behaviour my brain telling me is
wrong is that which involve hurting innocent people. Like murder, rape,
robbery and to a lesser degree say cheating, yes cheating.
LOL. You're a real fruitcake.


Go away troll. You stopped making any sense a couple posts ago.

Posted by: AlexD at November 10, 2009 06:26 AM (PkL9E)

540 My point is that if you start hardcorely believing in anything but the value of innocent life where does it stops?

I have no idea how this is relevant to an as yet unseen video of a Pasadena Self Cleaning Oven.

Posted by: Herr Morgenholz at November 10, 2009 06:26 AM (5Xf3c)

541 I have no idea how this is relevant to an as yet unseen video of a Pasadena Self Cleaning Oven.

No idea what Pasadena Self Cleaning Oven is but my post is relevant to the attitude of this barbelle that for Carrie making a self-masturbation tape is wrong.

Posted by: AlexD at November 10, 2009 06:34 AM (PkL9E)

542 By this logic, no one who smoked some weed in high school can say doing
drugs is a bad idea when they're 25 or 30. No wait, by this logic,
someone who did weed in high school can't say they don't approve of gay
marriage. Or be a Christian. Got it.

So if I'm shellacking the carrot while baked, I'm gay? That's not encouraging.

Posted by: Herr Morgenholz at November 10, 2009 06:34 AM (5Xf3c)

543 Carrie making a self-masturbation tape

That self-masturbation will get ya every damned time.

Posted by: Herr Morgenholz at November 10, 2009 06:39 AM (5Xf3c)

544 Best thing about the Internet? Seeing what dicks some people can be while not having to interact with those people in real life.

Posted by: nickless at November 10, 2009 06:39 AM (MMC8r)

545 Like many I am tired of hearing about this young lady. That being said, I have several questions about this episode. Number 1, why wouldn't this be extortion and how did the lawyers get this tape?

As for her making a tape of herself masturbating, yes that is the epitome of teh stupid. Young ladies all over the country should be told by their parents, to NEVER make videos or pictures like this of any manner. They become a permanent record and can show up anywhere.

And then there is the "sin" portion of this from the high and mighty. I don't recall anything in the bible that says masturbation, in of itself, is a sin.

Posted by: Vic at November 10, 2009 06:42 AM (CDUiN)

546 And then there is the "sin" portion of this from the high and mighty. I
don't recall anything in the bible that says masturbation, in of
itself, is a sin.

There's that incident with Onan, but that was more about wasting the seed, I suppose. From a theological standpoint, the real problem would be that it is self-centered and self-serving, rather than dedicating that time and effort to others. Also a failure in controlling the passions, at least from a traditional Christian perspective, which doesn't include the evangelical types. They're just freakin' crazy about shit like petting the weasel.

Posted by: Herr Morgenholz at November 10, 2009 06:48 AM (5Xf3c)

547 You see dear retard the only behaviour my brain telling me is wrong is
that which involve hurting innocent people. Like murder, rape, robbery
and to a lesser degree say cheating, yes cheating.

Dear Retard,

You will never, can't ever, possibly know the hurtful or helpful results inflicted upon all of the innocent people that your life impinges upon on a day to day basis.

No one can.

I find it astounding though, that there are people like you around who like to tell themselves that "cheating" is an O.K. way to harm strangers.

Is it the direct application of force that makes you queasy?


Posted by: Deety at November 10, 2009 06:50 AM (aVzyR)

548 Come to think of it, so to speak, Prejean's making of the tape was in service to someone else. Particularly, me, if I ever get to see a copy.

Posted by: Herr Morgenholz at November 10, 2009 06:51 AM (5Xf3c)

549 Liberals think they own sex and sexuality.

Posted by: ed davis at November 10, 2009 06:58 AM (OXIwN)

550 Deety,

I'm not sure what to think of your last post. I adressed a "retard" remark to barbelle. Are you mistaking it once again or you decided to get personal? I mean it's cool with me if you want to but you seemed to be rational.

As for the rest you blatantly misunderstood me about cheating (it's wrong like I said). And this nonsense about how there can be unintended consequences, are you even serious? Should I go murder or rape somebody because hey he may turn out to be bad guy whom I may thus stop from harming?

Posted by: AlexD at November 10, 2009 06:59 AM (PkL9E)

551 Come to think of it, so to speak, Prejean's making of the tape was in
service to someone else. Particularly, me, if I ever get to see a copy.

A man can dream.

Posted by: AlexD at November 10, 2009 07:00 AM (PkL9E)

552 Liberals think they own sex and sexuality.

That's true. And dead assed wrong. Funny thing is how outbred they are. From Christians to Muslims, it's the Traditionalists who actually, you know, fuck. Maybe it's because Traditionalists have certain ideas about what our peckers are for.

Posted by: Herr Morgenholz at November 10, 2009 07:10 AM (5Xf3c)

553 At this point in history, Islam and Christianity are in a fucking war, and it's a Fucking War. This is as much a demographic battle as an ideological one.

Posted by: Herr Morgenholz at November 10, 2009 07:11 AM (5Xf3c)

554 As for the rest you blatantly misunderstood me about cheating (it's
wrong like I said). And this nonsense about how there can be unintended
consequences, are you even serious?

Well, yeah.

I honest to Gawd believe in consequences. Intended or otherwise.

As far as cheating goes, I'm pretty sure that you wanted to convey that cheating was not clearly the type of wrong that direct rape, robbery and murder are.

Which you totally would not do.

Yourself.





Posted by: Deety at November 10, 2009 07:14 AM (aVzyR)

555 How is she a hypocrite?

Has she gone on a nationwide speaking tour demanding that people not masturbate? In lieu of that, this demonstrates that many liberals want to "own" everything and will try to destroy anyone in their way.

Have fun with that new moniker: "the masturbation party", assholes! Or, should I say jerkoffs?



Posted by: ed davis at November 10, 2009 07:17 AM (OXIwN)

556 Can we see this fucking tape? No pun intended.

Posted by: Richard Simmons at November 10, 2009 07:17 AM (GfYt/)

557 morning, Morons. I see we are running true to form.

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CNN hearts jihad? one comment

beauty queen touches herself? Bingo!

Posted by: fluffy at November 10, 2009 07:22 AM (4Kl5M)

558 How is this not blackmail? What relevance does this tape have to the lawsuit?
It's nice to know if people find a private tape of you they can use it against you.

Posted by: Zuggs at November 10, 2009 07:25 AM (TpXEI)

559 Gotta love the tolerance of the left. Hassan kills his fellow soldiers after signs he was a radicalized Muslim and we need to be really careful about saying that - and his snapping was inevitable because of Pre-Traumatic Stress Disorder or Post-Traumatic Stress Disorder by proxy blah blah blah. But Carrie Prejean sends a dirty video to her boyfriend while a teenager and it's "She's a witch - burn her!"

I guess it's time to talk about Obama the coke snorter...

Posted by: Bald Ninja at November 10, 2009 07:29 AM (4pdbX)

560 Posted by: air yeezy shoes at November 10, 2009 07:27 AM (6Afvd)

Hello and welcome, air yeezy! Do your shoes touch themselves?

Posted by: Herr Morgenholz at November 10, 2009 07:29 AM (5Xf3c)

561 Well, yeah. I honest to Gawd believe in consequences. Intended or otherwise.


Me too. So what? What's your point? That it doesn't matter what I value or nor, what I want to achieve and what not, since it is possible I would end up harming these things? Sorry it just doesn't make any sense.


As far as cheating goes, I'm pretty sure that you wanted to convey that
cheating was not clearly the type of wrong that direct rape, robbery
and murder are

OFCOURSE IT'S NOT. Are you insane? To put it more correctly (the way I put it in my post) it's the same type but lesser degree. This is why you know it's legal while murder will get you life at best. And you ofcourse know that otherwise you would be outraged Mccain, Juliani etc are still breathing.

Posted by: AlexD at November 10, 2009 07:30 AM (PkL9E)

562 Posted by: Herr Morgenholz at November 10, 2009 06:48 AM (5Xf3c)

All of that may well be true, but its still not a sin.

Posted by: Vic at November 10, 2009 07:34 AM (CDUiN)

563 Give me a fucking break, the only people that could condemn her and get away with it are people who have never masturbated.

A recent survey showed that 80% of men masturbate regularly. The other 20% lie.

Posted by: Steve L. at November 10, 2009 07:36 AM (Gkhxf)

564 #568 A recent survey showed that 80% of men masturbate regularly. The other 20% lie.
It's more like 99% and 1%.

Posted by: Kratos (on the back of Gaia, scaling Mt Olympus) at November 10, 2009 07:40 AM (9hSKh)

565 #564 Ironic, yes? And then they call us prudes.

Posted by: Kratos (on the back of Gaia, scaling Mt Olympus) at November 10, 2009 07:41 AM (9hSKh)

566 Damn you Hannity! I just watched the interview and him joking how it would only be enbarassing if he did it. This image just won't go away.

Posted by: AlexD at November 10, 2009 07:42 AM (PkL9E)

567 All of that may well be true, but its still not a sin.

Posted by: Vic at November 10, 2009 07:34 AM (CDUiN)
Depends on the definition of sin. The earliest Patristic fathers defined sin as "missing the mark", in other words, since every act should bring us closer to God, an act that does not is sin. Highly academic, in many ways, but one can not be feeding the hungry when they're snapping the bullwhip. More a sin of omission than commission, and worse, a self-centered one.Now. Where's that video?

Posted by: Herr Morgenholz at November 10, 2009 07:44 AM (5Xf3c)

568 I go by what is written in the Bible, not what a bunch of other people "interpret" for me.

Posted by: Vic at November 10, 2009 07:49 AM (CDUiN)

569 And yeah, where's the video?

Posted by: Vic at November 10, 2009 07:50 AM (CDUiN)

570 My son is quite good at diverting the discussion.....this is more of the same. She lost her crown because she, personally, doesn't agree with the gay agenda and the gays did what they do, they destroy their opponent. It is amazing how the debate in this country has descended to an adolescent level of brain power.

Posted by: J at November 10, 2009 07:51 AM (T3/qP)

571 One other thing that comes to mind on this. I see several references made to her being a "teen" when this video was made. One wonders just how young she was.

If she was below 18 when it was made then those lawyers are guilty of a federal felony; child pornography.

Posted by: Vic at November 10, 2009 07:53 AM (CDUiN)

572 Oh yeah, if she was below 18 I want no part of the video.

Posted by: Vic at November 10, 2009 07:54 AM (CDUiN)

573 BTW,
Semper Fi this fine morning...

Posted by: Jess at November 10, 2009 07:54 AM (GFlNV)

574 It is amazing how the debate in this country has descended to an adolescent level of brain power.
Happens here every day...and I like it!

Posted by: dananjcon at November 10, 2009 07:56 AM (pr+up)

575 Me too. So what? What's your point? That it doesn't matter what I value
or nor, what I want to achieve and what not, since it is possible I
would end up harming these things? Sorry it just doesn't make any sense.
Yes, it does.

What sort of magical power do you think that you at this specific moment in time with your particular values should wield that trumps the age old realities of human existence?


Posted by: Deety at November 10, 2009 07:56 AM (aVzyR)

576
I go by what is written in the Bible, not what a bunch of other people "interpret" for me.

Posted by: Vic at November 10, 2009 07:49 AM (CDUiN)
Uh, I'm not trying to start a shitstorm, but the Gospels themselves are descriptive interpretations of the events in question, through the eyes of 4 particular men.
I don't know your faith tradition, though your statement surely leans towards Sola Scriptura. Mine happens to build on the thoughts of people a hell of a lot smarter than me.I'm not trying to piss you off, Vic. You're my early morning company, after all, on a damn near daily basis....

Posted by: Herr Morgenholz at November 10, 2009 07:58 AM (5Xf3c)

577 Hypocritical of her...yes
Disappointing...yes
endless fodder for the leftist...yes
curiously good for her book sales...yes
Do I wanna see the video....FUCKIN-A-DUDES!!

Posted by: dananjcon at November 10, 2009 07:59 AM (pr+up)

578 One other thing that comes to mind on this. I see several references
made to her being a "teen" when this video was made. One wonders just
how young she was.

Dear Mr. TMZ,

This is called a search warrant.......

What dumbfucks would advertise that they may well be in possession of child porn?

Posted by: Herr Morgenholz at November 10, 2009 07:59 AM (5Xf3c)

579 Ok, now here's a video....

http://tinyurl.com/yzvtpsg

Semper Fi and Happy birthday USMC!

Godaddy brings it!

Posted by: Tami at November 10, 2009 08:03 AM (VuLos)

580 Ridiculous! The girl was blackmailed into dropping her lawsuit. She should have pushed ahead cuz now the tape is out anyway. Just goes to show that the media morons don't understand Christians. We all make mistakes.

Posted by: shabba at November 10, 2009 08:04 AM (Q7THl)

581 Yes, it does.What sort of magical power do you think that you at this specific moment in time with your particular values should wield that trumps the age old realities of human existence?

No it doesn't. I value innocent life so even if I can't have consensual sex I don't rape, even if I can raise my funds robbing someone I won't, even if somebody innocent being dead will improve my life I won't murder him. Just like you hopefully. It's a no-brainer. What "age old realities"? What "magical power"? This is getting truly bizzare.

Posted by: AlexD at November 10, 2009 08:05 AM (PkL9E)

582 Ok, now here's a video....http://tinyurl.com/yzvtpsgSemper Fi and Happy birthday USMC!Godaddy brings it!

Posted by: Tami at November 10, 2009 08:03 AM (VuLos)
I think it moved.

Posted by: Herr Morgenholz at November 10, 2009 08:05 AM (5Xf3c)

583 What "age old realities"? What "magical power"? This is getting truly bizzare.

Posted by: AlexD at November 10, 2009 08:05 AM (PkL9E)
I agree this is getting bizarre. Please expound on the "magical powers" thing. I'd be interestied in your thoughts.

Posted by: Herr Morgenholz at November 10, 2009 08:07 AM (5Xf3c)

584 Sorry, but what am I missing here?

First of all, why do these celebrities keep making sex tapes of themselves and how the hell do these gossip rags always get hold of them? Isn't there theft of some sort involved?

Second, who the hell cares? So no one else on earth masturbates and the fact that she does somehow makes her morally bankrupt? There wasn't a person in that courtroom that hasn't done the exact same thing hundreds of times. So, just to get this straight - masturbating is perfectly acceptable, but video-taping yourself masturbating for your own personal use or the use of your lover is a crime? Huh? It's not like she posted in on YouTube.

Aborting fully-formed babies = ok. Masturbating = crime. ??????

In America, we can show a child 2 hours of people getting hacked or blown to bits and that is fine. However, if a breast is exposed on prime-time it is a massive scandal. This is one f*cked up country.

Posted by: Bill Mitchell at November 10, 2009 08:07 AM (Gm9rd)

585 Personally, I don't want to see the video. It's obviously private. What's the difference between downloading it and putting a camera in her shower?

Posted by: Zuggs at November 10, 2009 08:08 AM (TpXEI)

586 It's not like she posted in on YouTube.

Selfish crunt.

Posted by: Herr Morgenholz at November 10, 2009 08:08 AM (5Xf3c)

587 Hypocritical of her...yes

Again, dumb? Yeah, probably. Hypocritical? No! This word does not mean what some folks want it to mean.

What dumbfucks would advertise that they may well be in possession of child porn?

TMZ aren't exactly the sharpest knives in the drawer.

Posted by: Tom in Korea at November 10, 2009 08:10 AM (+gX1+)

588 The thing for the media morons is Carrie Prejean is Christian. Christians are not allowed to do anything wrong, you see. The Alinksy rule is make them live up to their rules, but the media doesn't understand Christianity so they believe that we must live sinless lives in order to be Christian. If we do something off, they say we are hypocrites, like some joker in the comment section her said. That's the sort of idiocy that comes from not knowing jack or squat about Christianity.

We are sinner and saint simultaneously. In a nutshell, we're imperfect and perfect, constantly doing dumb shit, repenting, and being forgiven, thanks to Jesus Christ. That's the lifecycle of the Christian, and we don't escape that until we die. Then, unless we reject Christ, we are totally perfect in Him.

So, get of Carrie Prejean's back. She's not hypocrite; she's human.

I wonder how much her boyfriend got paid to cough up the tape.

Posted by: shabba at November 10, 2009 08:11 AM (Q7THl)

589 Please expound on the "magical powers" thing.

I can't. Ask Deety he/she thinks I have it.

Posted by: AlexD at November 10, 2009 08:12 AM (PkL9E)

590 Uh, I'm not trying to start a shitstorm......

Me neither, but I guess that is what happens when we get into religion. My original comment was directed to those who want to heap castigation on this girl, primarily the concern troll that had posted earlier.

So may as well drop all of this.

Posted by: Vic at November 10, 2009 08:15 AM (CDUiN)

591 OFCOURSE IT'S NOT. Are you insane? To put it more correctly (the way I
put it in my post) it's the same type but lesser degree. This is why
you know it's legal while murder will get you life at best. And you
ofcourse know that otherwise you would be outraged Mccain, Juliani etc
are still breathing.

Well, I guess we have a point of agreement. Cheating is of the same type as a murder or rape but of a lesser degree.

Perhaps we differ in our willingness to personally commit these types of acts. I find dishonesty in business and personal relationships akin to a "little murder" and so I am loathe to commit such a despicable act. I suppose it offends my sense of amour propre.

You, on the other hand seem to be fine with cheating as long as it's legal and won't result in a long prison sentence if discovered and prosecuted.

Posted by: Deety at November 10, 2009 08:17 AM (aVzyR)

592 Posted by: Vic at November 10, 2009 08:15 AM (CDUiN)

Agreed. The girl was silly and stupid. She was young. She's still young. I'm older and silly and stupid. And you, sir, are damn near ancient, and I bet you'd admit to silly and stupid on occasion as well. ;-)

What the seculars don't get is the idea of forgiveness in Christianity. I think no less of this girl for being so mind blindingly stupid as to tape herself juggling the macaroni. If that's the dumbest thing she does in this life, she's fucking golden. I've done worse.

Posted by: Herr Morgenholz at November 10, 2009 08:21 AM (5Xf3c)

593 Wait, how old was she when she made this video?

Someone may be liable for something. Say the boyfriend who got paid for the video.

Posted by: meep at November 10, 2009 08:23 AM (Jw4eT)

594 What the seculars don't get is the idea of forgiveness in Christianity.

What I think "the seculars" don't get is that you can do something when you're young, and that doesn't make you hypocritical if, later on, you think doing that thing is bad/was a bad idea. Or that masturbation as a teenager is only tangentially related to opposition to gay marriage.

Posted by: Tom in Korea at November 10, 2009 08:24 AM (+gX1+)

595 Perhaps we differ in our willingness to personally commit these types
of acts. I find dishonesty in business and personal relationships akin
to a "little murder" and so I am loathe to commit such a despicable
act. I suppose it offends my sense of amour propre.

Trivia of the day: The French idiom for orgasm is "petit morte", or "small death". Apropos of nothing.

Entirely unrelated: Has anybody found that video yet?


Posted by: Herr Morgenholz at November 10, 2009 08:24 AM (5Xf3c)

596 By the way, I understand the existence of this video undercutting CP's lawsuit against the pageant.

But it doesn't really have anything to say against Obama's stance on gay marriage [or anybody else's for that matter].

And yes, I said Obama, as his opinion on the matter is a little more relevant than CP's. Do we have to wait for a sex tape of him to see if he may opine on the issue?

Posted by: meep at November 10, 2009 08:25 AM (Jw4eT)

597 you can do something when you're young, and that doesn't make you
hypocritical if, later on, you think doing that thing is bad/was a bad
idea.

All college era pictures of me with a bong were burned when my wife became pregnant.

Posted by: Herr Morgenholz at November 10, 2009 08:26 AM (5Xf3c)

598 So?

Posted by: Paris Hilton at November 10, 2009 08:27 AM (e8YaH)

599 Barbelle wrote: "Because all you did, Carrie, was touch yourself! For your boyfriend. Whom you're not married to. In front of a camera. Without telling anyone. After being appointed a family spokesperson. And promoting yourself as a Christian. With strong Christian values. And suing a pageant for a wad of cash for alleged rule violations."

Barbelle, woman to woman, you're a moron. Moreover, you are a hypocritical moron who is likely not a Christian. If you are, you are a lousy Christian because G R A C E is something you don't understand or believe that it should be applied to someone who rejects homosexual marriage.

Why should CP tell people of the stupid things she did in her youth? If she asked God's forgiveness, He has forgiven her for them and that's it. Who are you to condemn her for what God has forgiven her? Are you bigger than God?

CP masturbating on camera for an idiot boyfriend does not make her less of a Christian. It just says that she's HUMAN. She's a sinner like everyone on this God's earth, including you. But thank God for Jesus, Christians can repent and through grace, be forgiven. When you understand that simple thing, Barbelle, then you can blabber on about CP.

I just called you a moron and I'm a Christian, so I'll repent of that.

Posted by: shabba at November 10, 2009 08:28 AM (Q7THl)

600 Perhaps we differ in our willingness to personally commit these types
of acts. I find dishonesty in business and personal relationships akin
to a "little murder" and so I am loathe to commit such a despicable
act. I suppose it offends my sense of amour propre. You,
on the other hand seem to be fine with cheating as long as it's legal
and won't result in a long prison sentence if discovered and prosecuted.


And you seem to be fine with touching little children. I mean as long as we making stuff up. I never ever said or implied I'm ok with cheating legal or illegal, long prison sentence or short. You made it up out of the whole cloth and were pointed to this fact. All I said is that it is lesser harm than murder or rape. That's it. You're now even agreeing with me on this obvious point and still spewing this crap. Is this your way of surrender or what?

Posted by: AlexD at November 10, 2009 08:28 AM (PkL9E)

601 I think the real point of this whole thing is that her so called 'boyfriend' sold her out. He's the one who got the $ million!!!!

I feel stupid even commenting on this. But I think people out there are stupid in supporting this in such provocative ways.

This should be more about the boyfriend. He should be the one interviewed and he should be skinned alive for exposing something that was so so 'private'.


Posted by: kokodokodo at November 10, 2009 08:29 AM (NH8f0)

602 Barbelle, woman to woman, you're a moron.

I think it just moved again.

Posted by: Herr Morgenholz at November 10, 2009 08:30 AM (5Xf3c)

603 196 stitches, that's totally hilarious! I'm in stitches over it.

Posted by: shabba at November 10, 2009 08:31 AM (Q7THl)

604 I just called you a moron and I'm a Christian, so I'll repent of that.

The Lord did not set you apart to repent from the truth. Or speaking it.

Posted by: Tom in Korea at November 10, 2009 08:31 AM (+gX1+)

605 This should be more about the boyfriend. He should be the one
interviewed and he should be skinned alive for exposing something that
was so so 'private'.

He certainly deserves a good man-card yanking. And a baseball bat across the knees. That was major-league slimeball shit.

Posted by: Herr Morgenholz at November 10, 2009 08:31 AM (5Xf3c)

606 and I bet you'd admit to silly and stupid on occasion as well. ;-)

Oh yes, especially when I have a porch rocker day with the Crown.

Posted by: Vic at November 10, 2009 08:33 AM (CDUiN)

607 when are young women today going to learn it is ALWAYS going to come back to haunt you?
keep your frakkin clothes on and stay away from cameras when naked!

Posted by: ginaswo/MiM at November 10, 2009 08:34 AM (qvtkZ)

608 He certainly deserves a good man-card yanking. And a baseball bat across the knees. That was major-league slimeball shit.

I think about 5 years in a state pen for possession would be about right.

Posted by: Tom in Korea at November 10, 2009 08:34 AM (+gX1+)

609
sup faggot asses

Posted by: Tweet says stuff at November 10, 2009 08:41 AM (ewicX)

610 Let me see ifI've got this right. Pam Anderson's video of her giving a B.J. to Tommy Lee and having it spread over the internet is OK but this video (soon to be aired I'm sure)isn't because one person is a socialist slut anddoesn't care about morals andthe other one changed her life and does care about morals.
The past is only the past if you're a liberal but it's still the here and now if you're not.

Posted by: harleycowboy at November 10, 2009 08:42 AM (JKGfQ)

611 Can someone please point out to me the passage in the Bible which prohibits masturbation?

Posted by: Bill Mitchell at November 10, 2009 08:42 AM (Gm9rd)

612 I agree this is getting bizarre. Please expound on the "magical powers" thing. I'd be interestied in your thoughts.

I don't know, but it seems as if Alex D thinks that her values and passions are new and wondrous inventions that have never existed in the world before.

Posted by: Deety at November 10, 2009 08:42 AM (aVzyR)

613 He should be the one interviewed and he should be skinned alive for exposing something that was so so 'private'.


He should be but he won't be. Because there are dozens of conservatives, like Ed Morrisey, who believe in this passive "we shouldn't be like them" crap and who would rather tear you down for trying that. That wouldn't be a "civil" thing to do you know.

Posted by: AlexD at November 10, 2009 08:42 AM (PkL9E)

614 Bill Mitchell at November 10, 2009 08:42 AM (Gm9rd)
I don't recall one but I think it might lean toward the homosexuality part and so it's discourageed.

Posted by: harleycowboy at November 10, 2009 08:45 AM (JKGfQ)

615 Was CP dating Levi Johnson?

Tnx, Tom in Korea.

Posted by: shabba at November 10, 2009 08:45 AM (Q7THl)

616 Oh yes, especially when I have a porch rocker day with the Crown.

Posted by: Vic at November 10, 2009 08:33 AM (CDUiN)
Time was I would have called that boring old man stuff. Now, I'm just jealous.

Posted by: Herr Morgenholz at November 10, 2009 08:45 AM (5Xf3c)

617 Prejean gave these creeps the gun with which to shoot her. She needs to be tossed aside and ridiculed. She deserves to be tossed aside and ridiculed.

Let me steal a page from someone historical...let she who is without sin cast the first aspersion.

Now, I'll doddle in the sand.

Posted by: I R A Darth Aggie at November 10, 2009 08:46 AM (1hM1d)

618 612 when is everyone going to learn it is ALWAYS going to come back to haunt you?keep your frakkin clothes on and stay away from cameras when naked!
FIFY

Posted by: harleycowboy at November 10, 2009 08:48 AM (JKGfQ)

619 It looks like even Firefox is locking up on these threads now.

Pixiemiester need some work!

Posted by: Vic at November 10, 2009 08:48 AM (CDUiN)

620 Who would have known, that back when this tape was being made, that
eventually, sometime later on, I would be the leader of the country
where I am from?

Thread winner!


Posted by: dfbaskwill at November 10, 2009 08:50 AM (7Gs5S)

621
Bill, punching the clown is frowned upon in the Bible because a) it promotes lust, and b) seed-spilling is not cool.

Posted by: Tweet says stuff at November 10, 2009 08:51 AM (ewicX)

622 So how much did the pageant people pay the ex-BF for this vid? Did he approach them with an offer, or did they seek him out trolling for anything to use against her?

I'm thinking it had better have been well over $100,000 if you're going to trash you reputation for life and cripple your ability to get a job in the future (people don't hire people with a track record of saving incriminating evidence then ratting other people out)

Her big mistake was copping to the tape. Deny, deny, deny. It wasn't her, it was a look-alike aspiring porn actress from the valley who was paid to make the tape. Stick to that story and up your lawsuit to 2 million...then settle for a half mill a few months later.

Posted by: Purple Avenger at November 10, 2009 08:53 AM (nBmHb)

623 b) seed-spilling is not cool.

It's not really spilled if you collect it in your bellybutton. Just sayin'.

Posted by: Herr Morgenholz at November 10, 2009 08:53 AM (5Xf3c)

624 seed-spilling is not cool.


Tell us about it. Oy!

Posted by: Lost Sons of Onan at November 10, 2009 08:54 AM (lD4DZ)

625
speaking of pervs...

have any of you ever driven through your city in the mornings and afternoons and taken a good look at the crossing guards? They look and act like half-retarded section 8 recipients.

The men look like perverts and are probably sex offenders. Crossing guards are people who couldn't get jobs as school bus drivers. Don't get me started on school bus drivers...

Posted by: Tweet says stuff at November 10, 2009 08:55 AM (ewicX)

626 Barbelle sounds like that troll Palin Steel in drag. Why is nobody getting on the boyfriend that, I assume, leaked or sold the tape.Do we have another Levi Johnston in the making?
I'm no biblical scholar but didn't Jesus save a woman from being stoned by the local moralists by saying , "Let he, that is without sin, cast the first stone."? I bet it's safe to say 99.9% of the Morons have yanked Yodaand Moronettes stirredthe puddin. Getting it on tape is stupid but so is getting pregnant out of wedlock and how many times has that happened?

Posted by: Ohio Dan at November 10, 2009 08:59 AM (RQ+qN)

627 taken a good look at the crossing guards? They look and act like half-retarded section 8 recipients.

Dumbasses always just lurch out in the middle of the road and cross kids against the traffic lights and pedestrian signals at the nearest school to me. Way to set an example and get the little tykes in the habit of safety...NOT.

Posted by: Purple Avenger at November 10, 2009 09:00 AM (nBmHb)

628 @615
Who said that video was okay? I never watched it.

Posted by: Zuggs at November 10, 2009 09:00 AM (TpXEI)

629 I was out hunting on a dead end road one fine fall morning.
The mayor and some gal drive up and park.
They couldn't see me but I had a ringside seat as they got out, in bath robes and nothing else, and then watched each other tug 'n' rub.
When I started laughing they freaked out and nearly wrecked his car as they fled.
Caught the HS football coach molesting an eight year old out there too.

Posted by: Lost Sons of Onan at November 10, 2009 09:02 AM (lD4DZ)

630 I'm no biblical scholar but didn't Jesus save a woman from being stoned
by the local moralists by saying , "Let he, that is without sin, cast
the first stone."?

Yeah, but Jesus said that about a prostitute, not about not a teenager who masturbated and then professed opposition to gay marriage at a later point in time. Christ would totally be on board with stoning the latter.

Posted by: Tom in Korea at November 10, 2009 09:02 AM (+gX1+)

631
OH Dan, good point about the ex-boyfriend. If anyone deserves scorn, it's the ex-bf for being a lowlife and making this vid public.

btw, for tenth time, barbelle is not a troll.

Posted by: Tweet says stuff at November 10, 2009 09:03 AM (ewicX)

632 Why is nobody getting on the boyfriend that, I assume, leaked or sold the tape.

Obviously the tape came from the ex-BF.

If he just gave it to the pageant people, then he's a fool.
If he sold it cheap, then he's a fool.
If he didn't try shopping it shop it back to Carrie for a split of the $1M take from the lawsuit, he's a fool.

My guess, it the ex-BF is a real fool.

Posted by: Purple Avenger at November 10, 2009 09:03 AM (nBmHb)

633 btw, for tenth time, barbelle is not a troll.

No proof of that has been proffered, just as no proof that she's hot has been proffered.

J/K. I know I recognize the moniker from times past. But I don't even think I knew it was a chick until this thread.

Posted by: Herr Morgenholz at November 10, 2009 09:06 AM (5Xf3c)

634 have any of you ever driven through your city in the mornings and
afternoons and taken a good look at the crossing guards? They look and
act like half-retarded section 8 recipients.

Uhm, hate to tell you this but they are.

Do you wanna know what's worse? When they're not doing crossing guard duty they are at the local community college getting their credits so that they can get their teaching certificate.

Do you want to know what's worser than anything?

They all want to teach Special Ed. because it pays more and they won't have to have to take the more rigorous (joke) "content" exams in basic arithimetic.


Posted by: Deety at November 10, 2009 09:07 AM (aVzyR)

635 I bet it's safe to say 99.9% of the Morons have yanked Yodaand Moronettes stirredthe puddin.

Hell, I'm doin' it now.

Posted by: nickless at November 10, 2009 09:11 AM (MMC8r)

636 I gave her back the tape when she asked for it.



But I've got copies to sell.

Posted by: EX-BOYFRIEND at November 10, 2009 09:12 AM (JKGfQ)

637 I made mistakes too.

Allegedly.

Posted by: Amused Observer at November 10, 2009 09:13 AM (xGXz7)

638 After Rush you should all see by now the goal is to refuse any and all
conservatives participation in society. You're to be smeared,
ridiculed, lied about, attacked, refused business transactions. You
can't buy this team, you can't participate in this pageant, you can't
buy this home and you can't shop at this store. Do you think the
standards being applied to Ms. Prejean are for any other reason?

+ 100.

Oh, and we should have a "euphemisms for masturbation" thread some night. You guys are incredible.

Posted by: HeatherRadish at November 10, 2009 09:16 AM (OkT2m)

639 The ex-boyfriend will never be a man if he lives to be 100. Never. A real man would never pull a stunt like that. Prejean, like so many women really knows how to pick 'em.

Posted by: maddogg at November 10, 2009 09:19 AM (OlN4e)

640 Oh, and we should have a "euphemisms for masturbation" thread some night. You guys are incredible.

Posted by: HeatherRadish at November 10, 2009 09:16 AM (OkT2m)
The fact that comment came from a chick is awesome. I'm Primin' the Pump as we speak.

Posted by: Herr Morgenholz at November 10, 2009 09:20 AM (5Xf3c)

641 The ex-boyfriend will never be a man if he lives to be 100. Never. A real man would never pull a stunt like that.

I know. TMZ? Fuck that. Hustler pays much better.

Posted by: Herr Morgenholz at November 10, 2009 09:21 AM (5Xf3c)

642 OK. I'm in.
I don't really care what she did. If she liked it, then good. If she didn't then she should have tried to get him arrested. If she liked it and didn't tryto get him arrested, then she should own it- which she is doing.
What's the problem?

Posted by: Truman North at November 10, 2009 09:21 AM (e8YaH)

643 #645 I'm Primin' the Pump as we speak.
I wouldtoo enlarge my horizons now, but alas, I cannot download Skinemax clipshere at work.

Posted by: Kratos (on the back of Gaia, scaling Mt Olympus) at November 10, 2009 09:22 AM (9hSKh)

644 428
Darn it, that's what I get for assuming some people would know who John the Baptist was.
Barbelle, I think the question is who you think he is. Then I might have a better pitcure of what in hell you are talking about.

Posted by: Reggie1971 at November 10, 2009 09:23 AM (b68Df)

645 I made mistakes too.

You can't masturbate correctly?

Posted by: fluffy at November 10, 2009 09:23 AM (4Kl5M)

646 Um, i don't know if barbelle wants me to mention this, but i will say that i've seen a picture of her and she is a hot babe. And no, i'm not joking.
People have trouble believing I'm a Canine-American and able to type on the internet with my paws, but I can post a pic to prove it.

Posted by: The Most Interesting Dog In The World at November 10, 2009 09:24 AM (k7SeR)

647 People have trouble believing I'm a
Canine-American and able to type on the internet with my paws, but I
can post a pic to prove it.

Posted by: The Most Interesting Dog In The World at November 10, 2009 09:24 AM (k7SeR)
Awesome.

Posted by: Herr Morgenholz at November 10, 2009 09:25 AM (5Xf3c)

648 Hey,
I haven't read all the comments, so, sorry if someone explained this already.
But, please, can someone explain to me why "girl who thinks marriage should be between a man and a woman" + "girl who made an indiscrete tape not involving another person, much less a person of the same gender" = "hypocrite".

I really, really just don't get it.
Does that mean anyone who ever had dirty thoughts on any level is also a hypocrite? What about anyone who ever actually had sex, with, you know, another person?
All this looks like to me is documentary evidence that she masturbated, and aren't they actually teaching kids to do this in sex ed now, as away of "being safe"?

I would also welcome any answers to my questions that don't involve name calling of any party. Thanks.

Posted by: Mouse at November 10, 2009 09:26 AM (8QSSn)

649 +1 raton

Posted by: Truman North at November 10, 2009 09:29 AM (e8YaH)

650 Sorry, I didn'treadall 600+ posts to ascertain the sex of Barbelle's sex (Sank). I accept the correction. Still, what is it with society that we must evicerate a conservative that chooses to take a moral stance when they have any incident in their past.
The woman stood up for traditional marriage. Where's the crime. If Bill Clinton stood up for traditional marriage, everyone would hail him as enlighteded. She was a dumbass teenager. Same goes for the way women came down on Sara Palin. She was pretty andpromoted traditional values and you would have thought she was evil incarnate.
It took a long time for societies to develop rules that increased health of the community. Not screwing everything that walked reduced desease. On man one woman for a lifetime made for healthier better adjusted children. Self reliance freed man from government oppression. Now, disease runs rampant, family structure is breaking down, jails are bulging at the seams, and government is taking ofer our lives. A teenage girl sent a sex tape to a boy she thought she could trust. Dumbass move. Move on.

Posted by: Ohio Dan at November 10, 2009 09:32 AM (RQ+qN)

651 I don't know, but it seems as if Alex D thinks that her values and passions are new and wondrous inventions that have never existed in the world before.

You know it appears there are many non-existent things which for whatever reason "seems" to you, including my gender. It's not normal.

Posted by: AlexD at November 10, 2009 09:34 AM (PkL9E)

652 Does she squirt?

Posted by: Humpbot at November 10, 2009 09:34 AM (GhHQb)

653
Barney Frank is the most disgusting creature to ever hold a seat in the Hosue; Frank is a disgrace to our nation.

But what Carrie Prejean did is outrageous and newsworthy?

Yep, only because the Left makes the rules and sets the standards and we're stupid enough to abide by them. So, again, I'm gonna give a presidential shout-out to Mark Sanford for not caving in to the demands of the Left and the sheep on the Right and not resigning.


Posted by: Tweet says stuff at November 10, 2009 09:39 AM (z37MR)

654 From what I read this morning she was only 17 when the tape was made (that's why it hasn't been released).
17 years old, which leads me to ask....Who fucking cares? Sheesh, people are acting like she made a bukakke video last Wednesday.

Posted by: Reggie1971 at November 10, 2009 09:40 AM (b68Df)

655
Does she squirt?

No, but she poops in a cup.



Posted by: Tweet says stuff at November 10, 2009 09:41 AM (z37MR)

656 So, again, I'm gonna give a presidential shout-out to Mark Sanford for
not caving in to the demands of the Left and the sheep on the Right and
not resigning.

LOL, Tweet; The State newspaper here is still printing daily attack stories about Mark Sanford months later. I suspect they will still be going on about this until his term is term is up.

Posted by: Vic at November 10, 2009 09:44 AM (CDUiN)

657
I hope Sanford runs for reelection and wins.

Vic, any idea what his approvals numbers are?

Posted by: Tweet says stuff at November 10, 2009 09:46 AM (z37MR)

658 17 years old, which leads me to ask....Who fucking cares?

The government should care. In a just society they would be popping the lawyers for child porn.

Of course, the government now has a long history of "selective prosecution" for this kind of shit.

Posted by: Vic at November 10, 2009 09:46 AM (CDUiN)

659 Romans 3:23(New International Version)

23for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God,

Posted by: jp at November 10, 2009 09:46 AM (DFDtC)

660 653 -- I'm with you; I fail to see how masturbation equals gay marriage, but I suppose this is an Alinsky rule stretched to the maximum limit.
So, the lesson is: any of you out there who are Christian conservatives, you had better lead the life of a hermit saint if you want to criticize any segment of the moral decline of society. Either that, or drop the "concerned Christian conservative" moniker, and go with the more defensible: "I have my standards and beliefs" -- otherwise you are opening the door for all manner of attacks.
She was foolish, not a bad person, for making the tape (there's yet another lesson for girls in this -- do not film anything to do with your skippycanoe). The ex-boyfriend was a cad (but really, how many people are stand up with their exes?). And she has been victimized to a certain degree -- both at the pageant and now with this, but she probably could've handled herself a lot better (ok, definitely could've handled herself better)and is most likely wanting her 15 seconds of fame, so I don't feel too badly for her (her poor mother I kinda feel badly for, as she most likely did not ask for this).
And this whole Carrie Prejean kerfluffle is a story trite beyond belief; there are more pressing issues in the world today.

Posted by: unknown jane at November 10, 2009 09:47 AM (5/yRG)

661 I could care less about Mrs. Prejean's sex life.
Just, continuing a theme from yesterday, regarding the double standard of life:
Christian female with masturbation tape = hyprocrit, phony, deserving of public insult and banishment.
"Moderate" Muslim who sits on sidelines while extremist kill in the name of Allah = great, stand-up person deserving of praise.
Someone please explain to me why this is not an unacceptable double standard.
And someone please explain to me while Mrs. Prejean's conduct is unacceptable but the moderate muslim who appears on CNN (the least trusted name in news) and says "Oh, terrorist attacks in the name of Islam is wrong, but Islam is a religion of love and peace" and then does nada, who fails to stand up to the Imans,is a wonderful person.
Anyone.
And please note, this is not an attack on Muslims.
Its acriticism of modern society.

Posted by: Mallamutt at November 10, 2009 09:48 AM (V9SYy)

662 If she was 17, she should have stood her ground. Had they released it, they would have been charge with child porn.

And, had I been her, I would have said ''its now up to FIVE MILLION- show that tape, I double it..''

Wolf

Posted by: Mr Wolf at November 10, 2009 09:48 AM (V28O/)

663 Keep spankin' that monkey!

Posted by: Ernie Anastos at November 10, 2009 09:49 AM (4Kl5M)

664 Well, at least now we know why Don Trump called her a "beautiful young woman" about a thousand times during the news conference.

Posted by: Jonn Lilyea at November 10, 2009 09:49 AM (am5/8)

665 I hope Sanford runs for reelection and wins.

This is his second term now and we only allow 2 terms. New elections next year so you would think they would leave him alone.

As for poll ratings I haven't seen any and I don't know if I would trust them anyway. Keep in mind that crap-weasel Lindsey Graham runs the Republican Party in this State.

Posted by: Vic at November 10, 2009 09:50 AM (CDUiN)

666 so if you are a christian you are to walk on water before being a christian, yet if you are a muslim, anything you do after you become a muslim is okay, like murder especially terrorism? once again, the libs are an interesting species to observe, if it were not for abortion there would be more of them walking around mucking up the country. God does work in mysterious ways with that free will thing!

Posted by: x11b1p at November 10, 2009 09:51 AM (K3MWP)

667 Someone please explain to me why this is not an unacceptable double standard.
And someone please explain to me while Mrs. Prejean's conduct is
unacceptable but the moderate muslim who appears on CNN (the least
trusted name in news) and says "Oh, terrorist attacks in the name of
Islam is wrong, but Islam is a religion of love and peace" and then
does nada, who fails to stand up to the Imans,is a wonderful person.
Anyone.
And please note, this is not an attack on Muslims.

Its acriticism of modern society.



It's just liberals doing their diversity thang and hating on conservatives. They always been like that so it's not really a modern society thing.

Posted by: AlexD at November 10, 2009 09:53 AM (PkL9E)

668
Who cares about this.

What's the story with Hasan, what's his status, still in an induced coma?

The longer he stays in a coma, the less chance he has of surviving, right?

I want this muslim shitbag to recover enough to speak and walk and go to trial.

Posted by: Tweet says stuff at November 10, 2009 09:53 AM (z37MR)

669 Unknown Jane; how do we know she is a "conservative"?

All we know is that she is a Christian and she believes that marriage should only be between a man and a woman.

Posted by: Vic at November 10, 2009 09:53 AM (CDUiN)

670 Wow, I am a pretty devout Christian and even I think Barbelle is being absolutely ridiculous.

People make mistakes. I had sex outside of marriage and I really wish I hadn't now. Everyone makes mistakes and outright blackmail and extortion on top of that mistake doesn't make things better.

A real Christian doesn't ridicule and criticize like heathens. We are all guilty of hypocrisy at one time or another. That's why the Bible mentions removing the beam from your own eye before pointing out the speck in someone else's eye.

Now Christianity is still about accountability and speaking to brothers and sisters who claim to be Christian about something they may have done that was wrong. However that doesn't include ridiculing and calling them whores or whatever else Barbelle said about here.

Posted by: A.J. at November 10, 2009 09:57 AM (NNsqZ)

671 See, that Christian woman did have sex so this means it is perfectly justified that two men can adopt a 5 year old baby and sell him on the internet for other men to screw it in the ass; calling ACLU for just deserts.

Posted by: GLBT at November 10, 2009 09:57 AM (ZjEOd)

672 another icon of the right turns into a victim How sad

Posted by: John ryan at November 10, 2009 09:58 AM (m0Q2u)

673 But, but, but...I remember Surgeon General Joycelyn Elders advising youths to masturbate as part of a healthy lifestyle. I also remember the Libtards backing her up 100%. Talk about hypocrites...

Posted by: Lincolntf at November 10, 2009 09:59 AM (E1aPy)

674 I want this muslim shitbag to recover enough to speak and walk and go to trial

I want him to meet Sgt. Kimberly Munley

Posted by: fluffy at November 10, 2009 09:59 AM (4Kl5M)

675 Vic, I heard a guy named Andrea Brower or Bower (sp) is running and is likely to win it (if Sandford does not run), my brother tells me he heard him take some shots about not being married or not having a girlfriend, and his responce was something about moralism or the criticism he would have to deal with if he was dating??? Lindsey is not married or dating anyone either, I don't know what his excuse or reason is? Or you have Sanford who is slinging his Alpha Male shit around and does not give a damn about it anymore and if he runs again he will win b/c lets face it he f-ed up by kissing the chick on the mouth and fell in love, something thousands of voters in SC can id with, if anything next time he uses a hooker or at least leaves his socks and pants on to make it impersoanl. I wonder, is there a candidate somewhere in the middle??

Posted by: x11b1p at November 10, 2009 10:01 AM (K3MWP)

676 "A town official says a gunman at an upstate New York high school has taken the principal hostage."

Posted by: curious at November 10, 2009 10:03 AM (p302b)

677 And just for John Ryan:
Masturbating Christian woman = horrible person
Drunk, horny, cowardly liberal politician who kills a woman = Lion of the Senate.
John Ryan, until you call out Ted Kennedy for killing a poor girl, until you call out Barney Frank for having sex with an underage page, until you call out Bill Clinton for sexaully harrassing Monica (and that is NOW's definition of sexual harrasment, not mine) then kindly and quietly go find a clue.

Posted by: Mallamutt at November 10, 2009 10:04 AM (V9SYy)

678 All we know is that she is a Christian and she believes that marriage should only be between a man and a woman.

She did a care-packages-for-the-troops campaign with Breitbart, so we know she's not an anti-American leftist.

Posted by: HeatherRadish at November 10, 2009 10:08 AM (NtiET)

679 You know I just read through the first 200 or so comments, plenty enough to figure out that this barbelle bitch needs to be told in no uncertain terms, "Go fuck yourself."

Posted by: Dave at November 10, 2009 10:08 AM (Xm1aB)

680
re: the principal hostage

A town official says a gunman at an upstate New York high school has taken the principal hostage.
Pine Plains Town Supervisor Gregg Pulver tells CNN that students at Stissing Mountain High School are safe.

Principal is being held at gunpoint...but the students are safe.

Principal is being held at gunpoint...but the students are safe.

Principal is being held at gunpoint...but the students are safe.

Principal is being held at gunpoint...but the students are safe.

Principal is being held at gunpoint...but the students are safe.

Nope, no matter how many times I say it, it still Does Not Compute.


Posted by: Tweet says stuff at November 10, 2009 10:09 AM (z37MR)

681 another icon of the right turns into a victim How sad

two things
1. i think you need to look at the definintion of the word 'icon'. I hardly think this lady fits that definition.
2. Oh NOES she masterbated?!?!? Christians have genitals too? Who knew, really?
I hardly think anyone cares about this other than carrie, the california pagent, and maybe some porn surfers. Other than that this isn't really big or damaging news.

Posted by: Ben at November 10, 2009 10:10 AM (wuv1c)

682 until you call out Barney Frank for having sex with an underage page

I think that was Gary Studds (*titter*). Bawney had the male prostitute boyfriend pimping out of his apartment.


Posted by: HeatherRadish at November 10, 2009 10:10 AM (NtiET)

683 As a Conservative who is in no way a Christian, what exactly is the controversy? Wait, she violated silly rules written down in the fucking bronze age?
Gimme a break. She had sexual relations with a boyfriend through a videotape. And I guess she double sinned by notmasturbating in the missionary position. And triple sinned by then going out and dancing. And she quadruple sinned because it was jungle musi she was dancing to.
I got exactly zero interest in other people's sex lives. Those of you who do are idiots.

Posted by: Holger at November 10, 2009 10:11 AM (wwQxi)

684 Posted by: Tweet says stuff at November 10, 2009 10:09 AM (z37MR)

Thought the same thing, how do they know that the students are safe?

Posted by: curious at November 10, 2009 10:11 AM (p302b)

685 Vic, I heard a guy named Andrea Brower or Bower (sp) is running and is likely to win it (if Sandford does not run),

I have heard a lot of names but not that one. There isn’t much getting cranked up yet. That will happen next year.

my brother tells me he heard him take some shots about not being married or not having a girlfriend, and his responce was something about moralism or the criticism he would have to deal with if he was dating???

Like I said, haven’t heard anything.

Lindsey is not married or dating anyone either, I don't know what his excuse or reason is?

The rumor about Lindsay is that he swings the “other” way.

Or you have Sanford who is slinging his Alpha Male shit around and does not give a damn about it anymore and if he runs again he will win b/c lets face it he f-ed up by kissing the chick on the mouth and fell in love, something thousands of voters in SC can id with, if anything next time he uses a hooker or at least leaves his socks and pants on to make it impersoanl.

If Sanford ran again, which he can NOT because of term limits, he would lose in this State. This State politically is run by Graham and religiously by the Southern Baptist Church.

I wonder, is there a candidate somewhere in the middle??

I hope we will get another conservative just like Sanford.

Posted by: Vic at November 10, 2009 10:12 AM (CDUiN)

686 All we know is that she is a Christian and she believes that marriage should only be between a man and a woman.She did a care-packages-for-the-troops campaign with Breitbart, so we know she's not an anti-American leftist.

Hopefully copies of this tape were included in the packages. Morale would sky rocket.
On a completely unrelated note the countries of Iraq and Afghanistan are experiencing lotion shortages.

Posted by: Ben at November 10, 2009 10:12 AM (wuv1c)

687 690
A state like South Carolina should be ashamed of itself. Lindsey Freaking Graham. You guys are the "deep south" and yet you give us a McCain-ite.
I expect more from the south.

Posted by: Ben at November 10, 2009 10:13 AM (wuv1c)

688 2
Jesus Christ, it's not like she was starring in a Tijuana Donkey Show.

If a woman can't strum the baloney banjo on tape for her boyfriend's benefit, then the terrorists have already won.


Posted by: apotheosis at November 09, 2009 11:28 PM (xWk3U)

SABADO GIGANTE!

Posted by: Unclefacts, Summoner of Bacon, Meteors, and Outrage at November 10, 2009 10:14 AM (erIg9)

689 Okay, so can we never hear from this hypocritical Christian EVER AGAIN?

She didn't start this.

Posted by: Jim Treacher at November 10, 2009 10:16 AM (cvmgB)

690
Graham was a decent rep, no?

oh, and I thought Andre Brower (?) was the lt.gov who is trying to use the scandal to get Sanford to resign so he can be the interim governor?

Posted by: Tweet says stuff at November 10, 2009 10:17 AM (z37MR)

691 PAB replacing Megyn Kelly on Fox today.

A little earlier they showed the lawyer for the Ft. Hood asshole. Looks like a civilian lawyer. That used to be a big no-no when I was in the Navy; a good way to get convicted (not that he shouldn't be convicted anyway).

You guys of more recent vintage, what are the odds on court marshals now when you get a civilian attorney?

AND....Does PAB have a masturbation video we can watch?

Posted by: Vic at November 10, 2009 10:17 AM (CDUiN)

692 Unknown Jane; how do we know she is a "conservative"?All we know is that she is a Christian and she believes that marriage should only be between a man and a woman.


Check here

http://tinyurl.com/dxz9de

Posted by: AlexD at November 10, 2009 10:18 AM (PkL9E)

693 A state like South Carolina should be ashamed of itself. Lindsey
Freaking Graham. You guys are the "deep south" and yet you give us a
McCain-ite.

He ran as a "conservative" and has worked as a liberal. He moved back to the right in 2007 so a lot of dumb asses "forgot" in 2008.

And he used a lot of underneath the table shit to squash his primary challengers.

Hell, the fact that an incumbent R in SC has two primary challangers is a story in itself.

Posted by: Vic at November 10, 2009 10:20 AM (CDUiN)

694 I want this muslim shitbag to recover enough to speak and walk and go to trial.

Trials are expensive. I'm good with sudden heart failure.

Posted by: Purple Avenger at November 10, 2009 10:20 AM (nBmHb)

695 AND....Does PAB have a masturbation video we can watch?
yes...watch...that's all..just watch..
She already has a porn name "The Notorius PAB"

Posted by: Ben at November 10, 2009 10:21 AM (wuv1c)

696 677
another icon of the right turns into a victim How sad

Posted by: John ryan at November 10, 2009 09:58 AM (m0Q2u)

When you sit on santa's lap at macy's this year, tell him you want a functioning brain cell.

Posted by: Unclefacts, Summoner of Bacon, Meteors, and Outrage at November 10, 2009 10:21 AM (erIg9)

697 "10:02 AM ET Update: CNN reports that the gunman has been taken into custody."

Posted by: curious at November 10, 2009 10:22 AM (p302b)

698
okay, now the students are safe


Posted by: Tweet says stuff at November 10, 2009 10:23 AM (z37MR)

699 OT but...

I just got back from a Marine Corps Birthday Dinner in Tokyo.

Habu, some of the stories about who the older guys new as normal physical humans were awe inspiring, and the stories reminded me of your stories of the heroes you grew up with as hunting and golf accomplices.

Great cheer was had by all, and General Toolan showed up.

Semper Fi, Marines!

And thanks to all our supporters out there!

Posted by: charles emerson winchester IX at November 10, 2009 10:24 AM (cWp0j)

700 I cannot believe I read this whole thread. There are no new hot Carrie pics, and I am dumber for all of this blathering.
Morons, I am disappointed.

Posted by: SGT Dan at November 10, 2009 10:27 AM (GgXZc)

701 John Ryan, until you call out Ted Kennedy for killing a poor girl,
until you call out Barney Frank for having sex with an underage page,
I thought that was Gary Studds.

Bawney ran the gay prostitution ring.

Posted by: nickless at November 10, 2009 10:27 AM (MMC8r)

702 696, I'd like to know who is paying or will be paying for his defence if he goes outside of the military?

Posted by: x11b1p at November 10, 2009 10:28 AM (K3MWP)

703 It's okay for that fat broad kardashian to make a sex tape...she gets her own show. Then the fatass mutt sister of hers works the same formula and...she gets her own show too!!!

The 'ol man must be spinnin' in his grave.

No, wait...he was a lawyer, so he'd be giving them high fives if he was alive.

Never mind. Silly me.

Posted by: LtE113(Mike in Chicago) at November 10, 2009 10:29 AM (3NFq/)

704 OK, I see who ya'll are talking about; Andre Bauer. Yes, he jumpred in the fray for Sanford to resign and said that if he did then he would not run in 2010.

I would not vote for him, simply because he is a opportunist most likely part of the LG camp.

Posted by: Vic at November 10, 2009 10:29 AM (CDUiN)

705 Eh, so she diddled herself on video for a scuzz of an ex-boyfriend. Big deal.

Hell, you would think she porked that dingleberry Jon Gosselin and Octomom on pay-per-view, slaughtered some puppies and kittens in the afterglow, and then said "you know all that gay marriage stuff? I was just kidding!"

(I'm sure Jon and Octomom would be up for it, BTW. Talk about attention whores...Carrie might have Hannity on speed dial but she's got nothing on them.)

If anything, it just gives me a real, concrete example for my kids why sexting, shooting amateur pron for/with their crush du jour, descriptive love letters and other overtly explicit sexual things might not be such a good idea. Sure, it seems so naughty at the time, and kinda fun....until it hits You Tube or gets passed around to some other scuzz, and some overly self-righteous biddies start bloviating about your horrible lack of morals on a blog somewhere, etc.

The people getting their panties in a wad over this (calling her a slut, like some previous posters have done, etc.) really need to chill out. If this is the worst thing she's done, she's probably a saint compared to 90% of the posters here.

BTW, you pervy morons who wanna see this....if she was under 18 at the time, it's technically kiddie pron. You ought to be ashamed of yourselves.

Posted by: bigpinkfluffybunny at November 10, 2009 10:29 AM (KWhJd)

706 @706 Donald Lukens R-Ohio was convicted for having sex with the 16 year girl around the time of Frank's thing.

Posted by: x11b1p at November 10, 2009 10:32 AM (K3MWP)

707 Vic, you're right -- she could very well not be a conservative. I never paid enough attention after the initial pageant incident to discover her politics.
It does seem that certain conservative based groups did turn her into a bit of a figurehead for their ideology -- which could have worked, but they needed to be wise how they used that tactic: the concerned Christian meme -- not good; the freedom of speech and individual choice -- would have worked I think.
And Mallamutt has asked the thousand dollar question -- the answer lies in the growing dissent against western civilization that has taken form and grown in liberal ideology. Christian = west; Islam = anti-west -- and for these idiots, anything "anti-west" = good, no matter what it does, while anything "west" = evil, no matter what it does. A very foolish and stilted way to look at the world, and very short visioned as well: most of the ideas that they hold up as figureheads of "anti-west" aren't really (as in they have roots in the evolution of western civilization).

Posted by: unknown jane at November 10, 2009 10:33 AM (5/yRG)

708 So, is having to listen to co-workers bash Ms. Prejean while discussing her "sex tape" (...and I'm with the moron who wondered how this is a sex tape when Clinton's BJs weren't sex) harassment in the workplace?

I spent a lot of time mocking the NOW crowd for having the vapors every time men at work talk like men, but Alinsky says to use their own standards against them...

Posted by: HeatherRadish at November 10, 2009 10:35 AM (NtiET)

709 I might buy the crummy book if it came with that cd

Posted by: John ryan at November 10, 2009 10:35 AM (m0Q2u)

710 "Carrie Prejean, the Christian Polly Purebread and Victim of the Left, not so much."
Remember that Perez Hilton bullied used her to promote his own, unrelated-to-the-pageant, political cause.
In her position, would you have lied onstage just to pass the cup?

Posted by: Michael Rittenhouse at November 10, 2009 10:40 AM (2QFX4)

711 Unknown Jane; I was not trying to pick on you but I wanted to make sure that we keep getting the message out that simply being a Christian does not a conservative make.

That is a media meme that we as conservatives must break.

And yes, to the media anything that smacks of Western civilization is bad. That includes Christianity.

What is really funny is to see them tying themselves in knots when a Catholic Priest does something liberal like sheltering an illegal.

They don't know what to do. They love sheltering a liberal but they can say anything good about a priest.

Posted by: Vic at November 10, 2009 10:43 AM (CDUiN)

712 Carrie Prejean played the Right for money and fame, and it was a good gig until the tape pulled the plug.

Her masturbation and recording of same, likely as an underage teen, was stupid and wrong, but her biggest sin was deliberately giving the impression that such a tape of her never could exist in the first place.

She is a phony.

Posted by: eman at November 10, 2009 10:43 AM (jJ2r1)

713 Carrie Prejean played the Right for money and fame, and it was a good gig until the tape pulled the plug.

Yeah because what could be better for money and fame than pissing all the right people. Do you have slightest evidence for any of your assertions?

Also sorry to break it to you but masturbation is not evil.

Posted by: AlexD at November 10, 2009 10:49 AM (PkL9E)

714 #718 Also sorry to break it to you but masturbation is not evil.
Unless you do it in an XXX theater.

Posted by: Pee Wee Herman at November 10, 2009 11:00 AM (9hSKh)

715 Remember that Perez Hilton bullied used her to promote his own, unrelated-to-the-pageant, political cause.
In her position, would you have lied onstage just to pass the cup?
Exactly! Barbelle and that ilk just don't get it. The *moment* she opposed the Commiecrat turned Sodomiecrat agenda, they started gunning for her. Don't y'all see that plainly?
I am surprised this tape, as well as anything else about her, no matter how small, weasn't thrown out there sooner.

Posted by: Curmudgeon at November 10, 2009 11:01 AM (ujg0T)

716 I'm the only person left in America who hasn't made a sex tape. And do I get any thanks? NOOOO!

Posted by: gp at November 10, 2009 11:02 AM (B9rV2)

717 719th!

Posted by: palin steele at November 10, 2009 11:06 AM (ltEiN)

718 So because no one is perfect we should just throw all the rules out? Did she claim to be a virgin, chaste and pure?If she did, would it make a difference to the larger point?
People whorecognize that there are standards, can't always met them, because they are after allpeople and imperfect. So does that mean that all who espouse standards andfail are hypocrites? Do not the standards have a meaning all by themselves, regardless of who espouses them?
Take for example two fat slobs. Slob one diets - ineffectively. Slob two doesn't diet and derides slob one for the effort. Slob one doesn't want to be fat and is trying to improve, butSlob one is weak and goes off the diet, gains the weight back and starts all over again on the diet. Slob one and Slob two are both going to die, at some point, for some reason. Slobtwo justifies his gluttony by saying you could go any minute for any reason, might as well get as much enjoyment, ie as much food as possible before death. Slob onedies too, for some reason at some point. Slob one though, just maybe doesn't need to be buried in a piano case, because Slob one made tinsy bit of effort at self control.
The anything goes crowd wants toargue that anyone who believes in standards is a hypocrite, because no one is perfect.Eventually anyone who supportsthe idea ofstandards will be a target for mockery, because they won't, themselves,be able to meet the standards they aimto meet. In this way, the world slides toward evil; when those who wish torecognize standards, can no longer mention them nor speak for them. Standards are an ideal, a goal. Does the failure of most people to finish a Marathon render the goal itself meaningless? Does the 55 mile an hour speed limit save some lives even though almost everyone speeds from time to time?
Just becausea Televangelist or twelve, turn out to be twisted pervs, does that, to the extent they delivered some of the Word from time to time, invalidate the message in the Word? Folks the messengers will always be flawed as long they are people. Christians believe that is whyGod had to send an unflawed messenger to deliver the Word. The "inhumi" among us today, can not defeat the message but they will defeat every messenger in this way. That's why God is going to send us the perfect Messenger again. Meanwhile, try to stick to your standards, apologize and make amends when you don't. You will get farther in this Race if you have a goal. At very least, you will know in which direction you are supposed to run, even if you don't finish the Marathon.

Posted by: Joe at November 10, 2009 11:07 AM (YwBI6)

719 Her masturbation and recording of same, likely as an underage teen, was
stupid and wrong, but her biggest sin was deliberately giving the
impression that such a tape of her never could exist in the first
place.

When did she ever give that impression? Maybe in your mastubatory viriginal fantasies of her, but not in the real world.

Posted by: Tom in Korea at November 10, 2009 11:09 AM (+gX1+)

720 Judged by the same standards we now have a radical Islamist andknown hard core drug addict in the white house. Can either of these be trusted with your life? Just saying----

Posted by: Scrapiron at November 10, 2009 11:09 AM (1kwr2)

721 You aren't allowed to believe in God if you're not perfect.

A Christian woman rubbing her magic bean means thousands of years of traditional family structure should be overturned.

Perez Hilton would be a great dad. He should be able to marry and adopt.


Posted by: Warden at November 10, 2009 11:11 AM (XGvLe)

722 Barack Obama is against gay marriage. Has he ever yanked his wee wee?

If so, he should resign.

Posted by: Warden at November 10, 2009 11:14 AM (XGvLe)

723 but her biggest sin was deliberately giving the impression that such a tape of her never could exist in the first place

We got sex tapes on everyone. If its electronic, we saved it. If it didn't exist, we'll fake it. If it does exist, we'll enhance it.

Posted by: NSA at November 10, 2009 11:17 AM (nBmHb)

724 Well, this sucks.

I touched myself, and invalidated all my opinions.

Now, what?

Posted by: franksalterego at November 10, 2009 11:18 AM (GKyIE)

725 Has he ever yanked his wee wee?

Yea he has. We got video.

Posted by: NSA at November 10, 2009 11:18 AM (nBmHb)

726 Is she underage in the tape? If so, turn in those nasty child pr0n-watching pageant officials! And her pervy ex-bf too!

Posted by: evil idea at November 10, 2009 11:23 AM (toGOU)

727 Just checking to see if I can post here Ace of Spades

Posted by: Rafe at November 10, 2009 11:24 AM (VT7xu)

728 Oh for Christ's sakes. I've read every comment down and that's where I
had to stop to answer. schizuki, are you a parent? If your teenage
daughter asked you, would you tell her there's nothing wrong with
masturbating on tape for her boyfriend?

---------------------------------

Oh, so it's the on tape part that's the kicker. Well, obviously, the on tape part will bite you in the ass. But the muffin-buffin'? Well, it's way, way down the list from getting pregnant or hoovering his schmeckel. I'm not going to go out of my way to tell her that would be my preference if she absolutely had to let off some steam, but I'd be hoping like Hell she'd be satisfied with that.

Is that OK, or have I offended your sensibilities further?

Posted by: schizuki at November 10, 2009 11:30 AM (SuGDg)

729 Carrie Prejean had bad judgment in selecting a boyfriend at 17 just like Bristol Palin. Her former boyfriend is obviously just another Levi Johnston, a loser who wants to capitalize on someone else's associations or achievements.

Posted by: scrubjay at November 10, 2009 11:34 AM (fKFPG)

730 Interestingly, AFAIK, there is nothing in the bible about (1) female
masturbation or (2) lesbianism. There's one passage about "spilling
your seed" and a few references to "laying with a man as with a woman."These
things don't come out of nowhere. Pregnancy without marriage -- bad.
Sexual disease-spreading activities -- bad. Masturbating -- yeah,
sure, it isn't great, you shouldn't do it, so uh don't.

---------------------

It's always struck me that the older a religion is, the more its prohibitions are pragmatic for survival and health. The newer a religion is, the more it's about getting young girls for the head dude(s) to boink.

Posted by: schizuki at November 10, 2009 11:35 AM (SuGDg)

731 Ahhh, Not the clip I was looking for below the fold Ace....

Posted by: TheGarbone at November 10, 2009 11:36 AM (cW+V3)

732 I think that was Gary Studds (*titter*). Bawney had the male prostitute boyfriend pimping out of his apartment.
I thought that was Gary Studds. Bawney ran the gay prostitution ring.
It was,the both of you areright and I was wrong- my bad. However, John Ryan has not said another word since. So....
MISSION ACCOMPLISHED
(In case he is lurking, that should really piss him off)

Posted by: Mallamutt at November 10, 2009 11:38 AM (V9SYy)

733 Carrie Prejean had bad judgment in selecting a boyfriend at 17 just like Bristol Palin.

-----------------------

I doubt there's a number high enough to go after "sloppy" where Bristol
is concerned. I understand that, by order of the Health Department,
she has to hang a sign from her navel stating "Enter At Your Own Risk."

I mean, apparently. I'm still unclear on the parameters.

Posted by: schizuki at November 10, 2009 11:38 AM (SuGDg)

734 Well, this sucks.I touched myself, and invalidated all my opinions.Now, what?

LOL Did you film yourself? If not there is a some hope

Posted by: AlexD at November 10, 2009 11:38 AM (PkL9E)

735 Really? Some chick masturbates on camera and we give a flying crap why? OMFG the horror! Look at all the people she's hurt...oh wait. That's right she's the head of the GOP or something...no? Maybe some of you should try having sex more then twice a year and lighten up a little.

Posted by: evil libertarian at November 10, 2009 11:40 AM (QVgRE)

736 Vic -- no worries; I didn't feel picked on in the slightest.

and if the NSA has a faked sex tape of me it had better be enhanced (I want to look like Jane Seymour or Sophia Loren, and I want the other partner(s) in question to be in the throes of the greatest sexual ecstasy they would ever mortally experience because I'm so freaking good -- there ya go NSA, fire away; I have faith that you won't let me down).

Posted by: unknown jane at November 10, 2009 11:50 AM (5/yRG)

737 Um, i don't know if barbelle wants me to mention this, but i will say that i've seen a picture of her and she is a hot babe. And no, i'm not joking.
People have trouble believing I'm a Canine-American and able to type on the internet with my paws, but I can post a pic to prove it.
Posted by: The Most Interesting Dog In The World at November 10, 2009 09:24 AM (k7SeR)


LOL

Posted by: Give that dog a bone at November 10, 2009 11:54 AM (Cta0m)

738 Really? Some chick masturbates on camera and we give a flying crap why?

It's hard to tell with dumbelle, who is perhaps the worst commenter I've ever come across on the net. (Not excluding john ryan)
But I think that she hates Christianity, and therefore Prejean for at least seeming to be Christian. The mastrurbation thing is just a handy stick to beat those "Christian hypocrites" with, never mind that the religon says nothing about the topic.
At least that's what I took away from her incoherent rants. YMMV.

Posted by: flenser at November 10, 2009 12:06 PM (jMbKZ)

739 Um, i don't know if barbelle wants me to mention this, but i will say that i've seen a picture of her and she is a hot babe. And no, i'm not joking.
People have trouble believing I'm a Canine-American and able to type on the internet with my paws, but I can post a pic to prove it.
Posted by: The Most Interesting Dog In The World at November 10, 2009 09:24 AM (k7SeR)

Who is moreeminently qualified to recognize a bitch when he or she sees one?

Posted by: Fido fan at November 10, 2009 12:25 PM (Cta0m)

740 She was not the master of her domain.

Posted by: toby928: gasping in awe at November 10, 2009 12:32 PM (PD1tk)

741 And this is why you teach your daughters (and your sons, too) to never, EVER, record themselves doing ANYTHING they don't want the whole world to see.

Speaking of "skanks" who was this a$$wipe boyfriend who persuaded her it was a good thing to send him such a video? I have a vegetable peeler I'd like to test on his, ah, cucumber...

Posted by: A_Nonny_Mouse at November 10, 2009 12:51 PM (hq0VE)

742 You got a link for the tape?

Posted by: John Edwards at November 10, 2009 12:52 PM (mka2b)

743 C'mon, folks, Carrie Prejean is a non story. Her 15 minutes of fame should have been up months ago.

Posted by: FYI, new threads are up at November 10, 2009 12:59 PM (Cta0m)

744 Finally this gal will be making some real money...can you say Christmas present for everyone?

Posted by: ford at November 10, 2009 01:05 PM (Ki7fm)

745 "Well...Mom...uh.. heh, heh. Isn't that the darndest thing?"

Posted by: JEA at November 10, 2009 01:11 PM (XZu3c)

746 OK, can't belive I've sacrificed my producivity to read this whole thing.
Even more disturbing is that there seem to be some regular morons (other than dumbbelle) who think I should immediately resign my position as a youth teacher and song leader at my Church.
This because I shacked up and had sex with my wife prior to our wedding but would still say those actions were outside the will of God and recomend that the youth I teach not walk the same path.
I guess we should go ahead and rip all of Paul's books out of The Bible because he was a pretty rotten dude before that whole road to Damascus thing.

Posted by: Scott J. at November 10, 2009 01:13 PM (NY7mQ)

747 Heather Clinton's actions were not sexual harassment because Monica never said/claimed that they were. In sexual harassment there has to be a victim/plaintiff. Get it ?
And unknown Jane you may as well as said substituted the words "conservative ideology" in place of "liberal ideology". I think it works even better there. Conservatives are always about living in the past, they seem to not be comfortable with "change"

Posted by: John ryan at November 10, 2009 01:15 PM (m0Q2u)

748 Carrie would have been a lot better off had she claimed to be a recovering bad-girl before she went on the lecture circuit.

If she'd have said, I was an immodest, naughty girl in the past, but I've repented and am now a solid Christian, these little things popping out of the closet would have been no big deal.

She could have said, "See? I told you I used to be a bad girl".

Posted by: pajama momma at November 10, 2009 01:23 PM (W2yhR)

749 I didn't catch anyone point this out, but maybe the reason there's no tape to be googled is because everyone involved knows she wasn't of age when it was made? Posted by: Methos at November 10, 2009 01:51 AM (rzT1s)
I mentioned the possibility several times and speculated on whether those who are in possession of it may be in some very serious trouble.
Posted by: AmishDude at November 10, 2009 01:54 AM (T0NGe)

For that matter, how much trouble is Prejean herself in?

Posted by: Gator Country at November 10, 2009 01:31 PM (+uWWh)

750 Carrie would have been a lot better off had she claimed to be a recovering bad-girl before she went on the lecture circuit.

Posted by: pajama momma at November 10, 2009 01:23 PM (W2yhR)



What lectures did she give on sexual modesty and when?

Posted by: AlexD at November 10, 2009 01:41 PM (PkL9E)

751 Like Ann Coulter says, the only moral principle leftists recognize is hypocrisy. Sadly, it only applies to their enemies.

One thing this site proves is that the Conservatives have finally started letting go of the demonization of "sex outside of procreation" schtick. Conservatives have become a bit more comfortable realizing that even devoutly religious people have a high likelihood of screwing up by screwing around.

I knew the change was coming when Jerry Falwell redirected the tone of his "mission" from demonizing homosexuals to the teachings of Jesus who "loved the sinner, not the sin." I can't quite the Bible since I'm not religious, but I do respect good ideas, wherever they come from.

I wonder if the hypocrisy-sellers have any actual quotes of Ms. Prejean "moralizing." As far as I know, she has only stood up for the concept of marriage as being between a Man and a Woman. That puts her squarely in the vast majority of people living and dead. So what?

Posted by: K~Bob at November 10, 2009 01:50 PM (WtrwW)

752 What lectures did she give on sexual modesty and when?

She gave a talk on her Christian values her at her home church here in San Diego. The Rock. One of the Christian values is modesty. Her talk was about standing strong in your Christian faith.

Posted by: pajama momma at November 10, 2009 01:57 PM (W2yhR)

753 Oh and I don't think she's a hypocrite, I just think she would have made her life easier with a preemptive strike.

Posted by: pajama momma at November 10, 2009 01:59 PM (W2yhR)

754 Pajama momma,

So she gave a long talk on "Christian values", yet didn't specified what she meant? Are there any other christian values and is there room for dissent on this topic in real Christian churches (not liberal)? I don't know perhaps she is herself pro-modesty now, but it is imho important whether she was actually lecturing others on this particular point.

Posted by: AlexD at November 10, 2009 02:09 PM (PkL9E)

755 "She gave a talk on her Christian values her at her home church here in
San Diego. The Rock. One of the Christian values is modesty. Her talk
was about standing strong in your Christian faith."

Whenever I get the chance, I speak with younger musicians about the concepts involved in Rock music. One of the "Rock values" is boring, banging eight-notes, like they used to play back in Jerry Lee Lewis' day.

I don't discuss that.

Does that make me a hypocrite?

How bout an actual quote?

Posted by: K~Bob at November 10, 2009 02:10 PM (WtrwW)

756 I know you're not talking to me Bob, because I never said the woman was a hypocrite. In fact, I expressly stated that she was NOT a hypocrite. Time for good listening ears.

Posted by: pajama momma at November 10, 2009 02:16 PM (W2yhR)

757 So she gave a long talk on "Christian values", yet didn't specified what she meant?

You are correct. She was never specific. So we can just pretend that sending photos to your boyfriend of you rubbing the beans is ok with her because she never specifically talked about it. Somehow, I think she's ashamed of it.

I'm not anti-Carrie Prejean. I think she got a raw deal. What I'm saying, is that her life would have been easier had she mentioned that she's done stuff in the past she's not proud of, but she's learned and moved on.

The left would not be able to use it against her. It would have been right out there.

That's why when I decide to run for office, I'm going to mention everything right away. All my past days of hooking, drug running by stuffing cocaine balloons up my ass, everything.

Posted by: pajama momma at November 10, 2009 02:20 PM (W2yhR)

758 That's why when I decide to run for office, I'm going to mention everything right away. All my past days of hooking, drug running by stuffing cocaine balloons up my ass, everything.
Better go ahead and spill it now, PJM. You might never run for office, and who's going to buy the book after you're gone? XD

Posted by: Michael Rittenhouse at November 10, 2009 02:26 PM (2QFX4)

759 Well here's one for you boys. At her church The Rock, Carrie discusses how she's involved in the ministry called JC's Girls. Guess what JC's Girls does? It ministers to women in the adult entertainment center to bring them to Christ. So, I'm gonna have to say that Carrie Prejean now thinks sexual modesty is muy importante.
http://tinyurl.com/yl6kfot

JC's Girls is a ministry dedicated to reaching out to women who are,
and have been involved in, the adult entertainment industry. Our
purpose is to minister to these women -- at whatever stage they are in
life -- in love, and without condemnation.The women who serve in
JC's Girls come from all walks of life. Some have been in the adult
entertainment industry, and others haven't. The commonality is that
every woman involved in JC's Girls felt called by the Holy Spirit to
reach out to women that are in bondage by the adult entertainment
industry.Currently, JC's Girls meets bi-monthly for Bible study,
and we go out to strip clubs in San Diego twice a month to minister to
dancers. It is our desire to reach out in love to these women, invite
them to the Rock Church, encourage and support them, and pray that they
accept a personal relationship with Jesus Christ.

Posted by: pajama momma at November 10, 2009 02:33 PM (W2yhR)

760 Better go ahead and spill it now, PJM. You might never run for office, and who's going to buy the book after you're gone? XD

hahahaha, maybe I should start blogging again huh?

Posted by: pajama momma at November 10, 2009 02:33 PM (W2yhR)

761 adult entertainment center

Yeah, that would be adult entertainment industry.

Posted by: pajama momma at November 10, 2009 02:35 PM (W2yhR)

762 So because a girl played with herself when she was young, she's not allowed to say modesty is a good ideal when she's older?

Obama's not allowed to say doing cocaine is bad, since he did it when he was younger?

Posted by: Tom in Korea at November 10, 2009 02:37 PM (+gX1+)

763 So because a girl played with herself when she was young, she's not allowed to say modesty is a good ideal when she's older?

And I know you're not talking to me because all I said was that her life would have been easier had she said she was not a modest girl in her past. That's all. Never called her a hypocrite. Never said she was a bad woman. I think the gay mafia screwed her big time.

Posted by: pajama momma at November 10, 2009 02:42 PM (W2yhR)

764 Fine. That's good.

Posted by: Tom in Korea at November 10, 2009 02:43 PM (+gX1+)

765 I thought the same thing as Pajama momma, knowing she had a tape out there, it would have been wise to admit a bad girl past.

Everyone who has a tape should know, at this point, that it will be seen by people you don't want to see it. Let's not argue about that.

Posted by: mare at November 10, 2009 02:46 PM (X1fsj)

766 Pajama momma,

About JC Girls not really that convincing. I checked http://tinyurl.com/ydgbrsk and http://tinyurl.com/y9xqoae (first link is hating on them) and didn't get any impression they are against such things as fingering yourself and making sex tapes.


Posted by: AlexD at November 10, 2009 03:02 PM (PkL9E)

767 making sex tapes

HAHAHAHAHA! You're kidding, right? That's a stretch. If Carrie didn't think it was a big deal, she wouldn't be calling it the biggest mistake of her life. THE BIGGEST MISTAKE OF HER LIFE!!!

I'm not even sure what you're trying to argue here.

Posted by: pajama momma at November 10, 2009 03:06 PM (W2yhR)

768 oh nevermind, the JC Girls you are talking about don't even sound like the JC girls at The Rock.

http://tinyurl.com/ya5pbez

Posted by: pajama momma at November 10, 2009 03:09 PM (W2yhR)

769 "and didn't get any impression they are against such things as fingering yourself and making sex tapes. "

Ah, what? Are you really arguing that they don't mind people making sexual tapes (of any nature)?

That doesn't make sense, AlexD.

Posted by: mare at November 10, 2009 03:13 PM (X1fsj)

770 He's arguing just to argue mare. If she didn't think it was a big deal, she would not have dropped her lawsuit and called it the biggest mistake of her life. Nor would she have said she was humiliated by it.

All I said was that she should have done a preemptive strike and this would have been no big deal. Apparently it was............to HER.


Posted by: pajama momma at November 10, 2009 03:14 PM (W2yhR)

771 The important point is, if Carrie Prejean had been proactive about this she wouldn't be playing defense and making anyone who supported her take a second look.

We wouldn't be having this conversation (except for those wondering how hot she was on the tape) had she been completely honest about something that obviously would have been embarrassing had it been found out. Which is exactly what happened.

Posted by: mare at November 10, 2009 03:16 PM (X1fsj)

772 You pointed to JC Girls I checked them out (no pun) and found nothing about being modest in your personal sex life. That's pretty much it.

Yeap she did call it the biggest mistake defending from attacks. Doesn't necessarily means that she really thinks like that but a valid point. I for one would be happy if she came out and said making such tapes is ok and have nothing to do with real human values. Not sure if christian values necessarily include that or not. But whatever she say or do is her life and unfortunately her fight.


Posted by: AlexD at November 10, 2009 03:16 PM (PkL9E)

773 Different JC girls Alex. Read her church's links about their JC Girls.

anyhoo, you're right. it's her fight and that fight would have been easier if she'd taken my hindsight is 20/20 advice. Cuz I'm brilliant like that.

Posted by: pajama momma at November 10, 2009 03:19 PM (W2yhR)

774 Ah, what? Are you really arguing that they don't mind people making sexual tapes (of any nature)?

Oh for for the love of... PM br that JC Girls up. I checked it and found nothing of that kind just their approach to porn and strip. You found it fine point me to it. I didn't know they existed 10 mins ago.

Posted by: AlexD at November 10, 2009 03:20 PM (PkL9E)

775 I only knew they existed because Carrie said she worked for their ministry at The Rock.

This is their link. http://tinyurl.com/ya5pbez

All their stuff points to a pretty different JC girls than the one you posted.

Posted by: pajama momma at November 10, 2009 03:22 PM (W2yhR)

776 Ok I see. Still I see nothing besides helping girls exit prostitution or porn. If it's obvious for you they are all against making private sex tapes fine. Like I said I don't know your system of Christian values.

If she didn't think it was a big deal, she would not have dropped her lawsuit

It seems she dropped it after actually learning they have it. Or not wanting them to air it. It's a different matter having no problem with sex tapes and being ok with it being seen by the whole world.


Posted by: AlexD at November 10, 2009 03:29 PM (PkL9E)

777 I'm going to give you a head's up, Christian groups that counsel former porn stars and strippers are encouraging them not to do that anymore. Also, to be more modest in their life in general.

Posted by: mare at November 10, 2009 03:29 PM (X1fsj)

778 >> I think the gay mafia screwed her big time.

Ewwww.

Posted by: The Gay Mafia at November 10, 2009 03:29 PM (WvXvd)

779 It doesn't have to be written in their charter. It's common sense for a Christian.

Posted by: mare at November 10, 2009 03:30 PM (X1fsj)

780
Carrie Prejean, like many others who were thrust onto the national stage, was completely unprepared for the modern level of scrutiny that ideological opponents bring to bear. Much like the experiences of Joe the Plumber and Sarah Palin. I think she had every expectation that the dirtbag ex-boyfriend would have had enough class to keep the intimacies of their relationship private. Unfortunately, those things are quickly dug up in these times where technology has far outstripped morality.

She found herself thrust into the limelight and tried to take advantage of the opportunity, both for her personal gain and for the message she wanted to deliver. Nothing wrong with that. Then this supposedly private video surfaced - tough break. The real measure of her character, though, is not provided by her youthful indiscretion(s), but by how she reponds to adversity henceforth.

I suspect she'll do OK.

Posted by: geoff at November 10, 2009 03:34 PM (nviaj)

781 Like I said I don't know your system of Christian values.

Making sex tapes is not in my system of Christian values. Course, I never claimed to be a Christian or a good Christian for that matter, did I?

It seems she dropped it after actually learning they have it. Or not
wanting them to air it. It's a different matter having no problem with
sex tapes and being ok with it being seen by the whole world.

True and like I said ad nauseum, her life would have been easier had she just mentioned that she had some things in her past that fellow Christians might not admire.

Posted by: pajama momma at November 10, 2009 03:37 PM (W2yhR)

782 Mare,

Starring in porn and making a private sex tape for your boyfriend is like totally different things no. Once again you're sure all real christian groups have unified stance that making sex tapes is "wrong", alrighty then I guess I'll believe you as an insider. I just couldn't care less about all this "modesty" stuff and I see no reason for her to apologize. But it's ofcourse totally up to her.

Posted by: AlexD at November 10, 2009 03:37 PM (PkL9E)

783 The real measure of her character, though, is not provided by her
youthful indiscretion(s), but by how she reponds to adversity
henceforth.

Well, that was a breathe of fresh air.

Posted by: pajama momma at November 10, 2009 03:38 PM (W2yhR)

784 A sex tape proved to be a career boost for her if she wanted to be a typical Hollywood bimbo. It think it will be difficult for her to speak from the moral high ground for while, but there is the whole sin/repentance/redemption thing that is the fundamental Christianity.I wouldn't mindCP speaking to my teenagedaughther about her story in hopes that my daughter would not make the same mistake.

Posted by: California Red at November 10, 2009 03:40 PM (tW88P)

785 Ms. Prejean made a teenager's mistake. Some mistakes made as a teen deserve trial as an adult. Like murder. I'm not sure how this particular mistake fits in with things in that category.

Lefties want it both ways:
shagging anyone you want to shag--regardless of their agreement--is fine unless you are not a lefty. Righties who appear to sanction that concept, however weakly, may as well just vote for Obama. Again.

Posted by: K~Bob at November 10, 2009 03:41 PM (WtrwW)

786 "I wouldn't mind CP speaking to my teenage daughther about her story in hopes that my daughter would not make the same mistake"

I agree. And it would be more powerful had her supporters known her "youthful mistakes" ahead of time.

Posted by: mare at November 10, 2009 03:42 PM (X1fsj)

787 shagging anyone you want to shag--regardless of their agreement--is
fine unless you are not a lefty. Righties who appear to sanction that
concept, however weakly, may as well just vote for Obama

Lefties get to have it that way because they don't pretend to have any kind of morals and have decided that all righties are fringe religious zealots.

Posted by: pajama momma at November 10, 2009 03:45 PM (W2yhR)

788 Carrie Prejean, like many others who were thrust onto the national
stage, was completely unprepared for the modern level of scrutiny that
ideological opponents bring to bear.

Correction: unprepared for the level of scrutiny leftists will unleash on her. Never saw conservatives actually doing the fighting. Just some meaningless useless talk. I hope I'm wrong but that's the impression.

Posted by: AlexD at November 10, 2009 03:46 PM (PkL9E)

789 I think sex tapes (of any kind) are stupid because they show poor judgment. AGAIN, people who you don't want to see them will see them. It's not a moral issue to me.

Most Christian women, especially those in the spot light, are modest. Showing your pooter while pleasuring yourself is the type of "exposure" she doesn't want.

Posted by: mare at November 10, 2009 03:47 PM (X1fsj)

790 And now that I think about it, Carrie wasn't thrust onto the national stage. She's a pageant girl. You're on the national stage. They've had how many scandals of past winners having to give up their crowns because of nude photos?

She wasn't thrust. She knew what she was doing and they ask you if you have anything in your past that might come back to haunt you.

Posted by: pajama momma at November 10, 2009 03:51 PM (W2yhR)

791 Lefties want it both ways:shagging anyone you want to shag--regardless of their agreement--is fine unless you are not a lefty.

Well to be fair their point seems to be that she is a hypocrite for advocating Christianity and then doing something like this. One poster at TMZ specifically stated that he has no problems with tape just with her seemingly contradictive "Christian idiocy".

Posted by: AlexD at November 10, 2009 03:53 PM (PkL9E)

792 Making sex tapes is not in my system of Christian values. Course, I never claimed to be a Christian or a good Christian for that matter, did I?..her life would have been easier had she just mentioned that she had some things in her past that fellow Christians might not admire.
I've never understood the compulsion non-Christians have to give lectures to Christians about their "proper" conduct. It's just very odd.

Posted by: flenser at November 10, 2009 03:54 PM (YbapH)

793
<i>You're on the national stage.</i>

Not the national political stage m'dear.

<i>She wasn't thrust.</i>

You must have seen the tape.

Posted by: geoff at November 10, 2009 03:56 PM (nviaj)

794 I've never said I wasn't a Christian either. My point was that her life would have been easier had her skeletons come out of her closet by herself.

Posted by: pajama momma at November 10, 2009 03:56 PM (W2yhR)

795 Not the national political stage m'dear.

Right, but they ask you before you enter a pageant, whether you've any skeletons that might come out of the closet to embarrass you later.

You must have seen the tape.

Seen it? I have my own.

Posted by: pajama momma at November 10, 2009 04:00 PM (W2yhR)

796 Well to be fair their point seems to be that she is a hypocrite for advocating Christianity and then doing something like this.
Right, because the 14th Commandment specifically states "Thou shalt not diddle thyself".
The word "hypocrisy" does not mean what the hypocrites on the left think it does. The fact that Christians don't match the lefts bizarre caricature of them is an indictment of the left, not of the Christians. I can see why the left would want to use Alinsky Rule 4, but not why any sane person would go along with them.

Posted by: flenser at November 10, 2009 04:02 PM (YbapH)

797
Right, but they ask you before you enter a pageant, whether you've any
skeletons that might come out of the closet to embarrass you later.

...and under the normal level of pageant scrutiny, she was free and clear. It was only when she became a political football that the photoshoot and this video came out.

Posted by: geoff at November 10, 2009 04:03 PM (nviaj)

798 I've never said I wasn't a Christian either.
My point stands, whatever you are.

Posted by: flenser at November 10, 2009 04:04 PM (YbapH)

799 "She wasn't thrust. She knew what she was doing and they ask you if you have anything in your past that might come back to haunt you."


I agree.

You're wrong, geoff. The firestorm started when they asked her a POLITICAL question.

Posted by: mare at November 10, 2009 04:08 PM (X1fsj)

800 My point stands, whatever you are.

point taken.

but if it makes you feel better, I'm a now devout Roman Catholic with a very naughty past who still finds it very hard not to stray and I'm a stay at home mom of 4 kids and a niece.

Posted by: pajama momma at November 10, 2009 04:08 PM (W2yhR)

801 ...and under the normal level of pageant scrutiny, she was free and clear

Not, if she'd have won, the photos of her and video of her would have come out and there would have been a whole big thing on whether she'd lose her crown. Just like the past 3 or 4 pageant seasons.

Posted by: pajama momma at November 10, 2009 04:11 PM (W2yhR)

802 Right, because the 14th Commandment specifically states "Thou shalt not diddle thyself".
The word "hypocrisy" does not mean what the hypocrites on the left
think it does. The fact that Christians don't match the lefts bizarre
caricature of them is an indictment of the left, not of the Christians.
I can see why the left would want to use Alinsky Rule 4, but not why
any sane person would go along with them.


Eh look if you're a Christian and you don't think enjoying sexual life before marriage and in any forms you and your partner find amusing is "wrong" in any way I applaud to you. But as I understand it many Christians believe it to be "immodest" and therefore wrong. I mean there is a reason left hates Christianity and if you're not into childish "they misunderstand" stuff it's clear that it's because they perceive it to interfere with their ultimate value: having a good time.

Posted by: AlexD at November 10, 2009 04:13 PM (PkL9E)

803
You're wrong, geoff. The firestorm started when they asked her a POLITICAL question.

I'm not sure how that makes me wrong. If you're saying that every pageant contestant should expect a similar background investigation after answering questions posed by the judges, then I'd argue that that is a new and draconian standard. And the firestorm started with Perez Hilton's little hissy fit, which was given far more attention than it, or he, deserved.

1) Ask a politically charged question.
2) Get an answer you don't like.
3) Try to ruin the respondent's life

Not really the normal scenario for a pageant.

Posted by: geoff at November 10, 2009 04:17 PM (nviaj)

804 "Not the national political stage m'dear."

Having Perez Hilton as a judge was political, probably several other choices made by those that run it were political.

Getting up on national tv and being asked a political question (wrong or right) set her answer up to be scrutinized politically.

Anyone on a stage nationally needs to come clean if they care about their past being exposed. NO BRAINER.

Posted by: mare at November 10, 2009 04:23 PM (X1fsj)

805 I mean there is a reason left hates Christianity and if you're not into childish "they misunderstand" stuff it's clear that it's because they perceive it to interfere with their ultimate value: having a good time.

Having a good time is not the lefts ultimate value. Control is. They oppose Christianity for beng a competing set of "thou shalt's" and "thou shalt nots". You have a very flawed understanding of the opposition.

But as I understand it many Christians believe it to be "immodest" and therefore wrong.
As I say, I've never understood the compulson some non-Christians have to lecture Christians about Christian beliefs.

Posted by: flenser at November 10, 2009 04:27 PM (YbapH)

806 Not, if she'd have won, the photos of her and video of her would have
come out and there would have been a whole big thing on whether she'd
lose her crown.

Could be. Presuming that she knew that the ex was an avaricious jerk, then maybe certainly. She obviously didn't think so, though. And I still believe that the level of pressure brought to bear by the Left was unprecedented, though I'll admit that everything could have leaked eventually anyway.

This is all silly, anyway. The real story was never about her opinion and her (in)ability to live up to the standards she may espouse. The real story was the Left's reaction to a legitimately dissenting voice.

Posted by: geoff at November 10, 2009 04:29 PM (nviaj)

807 As I say, I've never understood the compulson some non-Christians have to lecture Christians about Christian beliefs.

I don't know what your beliefs are flenser, but mine include modesty.

Posted by: pajama momma at November 10, 2009 04:31 PM (W2yhR)

808 Course hanging here and at the hostages makes me as immodest and immoral as they get.

Posted by: pajama momma at November 10, 2009 04:32 PM (W2yhR)

809 There is no perfect person. Thus, if the requirment to speak on behalf of standards is no failure to meet standards, then the only ones speaking will have no standards. Which is exactly what the anything goes crowd wants - them speaking and all you morons who want to argue over how many angels can dance on the head of a pin (regardless of whether or not they made sex tapes). Stop arguing over the messenger. Its beside the point.

Posted by: Joe at November 10, 2009 04:33 PM (YwBI6)

810 Presuming that she knew that the ex was an avaricious jerk, then maybe certainly

Cept she also had topless photos that her boyfriend had nothing to do with. I do agree though, the whole thing is silly.

Posted by: pajama momma at November 10, 2009 04:34 PM (W2yhR)

811 Joe, you absolutely made my point. It's good for Carrie to acknowledge her mistakes and move on and for everyone else as well. It's only a shame she hadn't done it sooner because the left didn't need any more ammunition.

Posted by: pajama momma at November 10, 2009 04:40 PM (W2yhR)

812 Having a good time is not the lefts ultimate value. Control is. They
oppose Christianity for beng a competing set of "thou shalt's" and
"thou shalt nots". You have a very flawed understanding of the
opposition.


Sorry dude, but it is you who have zero understanding of opposition. Why would every community based around some form of pleasure lean hardly to ultra hardly to left? Gamers, pot smokers, porn lovers, free sex types, hyppies, surfers etc etc. What control? Their whole lives are about having fun without much care of anything else. Perhaps you're mixing them with political liberals, who are indeed about control = more power and money for them. And their base votes for it because this control gives them some free stuff: free money, free skate parks, free drugs, free education whatever. When their goal, as with pot legalization which I BTW support, is less control they are all for it.
Control Common man they are not some abstract cartoons. They are real selfish people who only want control when control brings them what they want.

As I say, I've never understood the compulson some non-Christians have to lecture Christians about Christian beliefs.

For crying out loud I'm not lecturing you. I say what I see. Am I wrong? I want to be wrong this particular point. There is nothing Christian about "modesty" sentiment? Great.


Posted by: AlexD at November 10, 2009 04:48 PM (PkL9E)

813 free skate parks

Ok, now you've pissed me off. Everything else was a friendly debate (at least I thought) until this. How dare you be against free skate parks?

Posted by: pajama momma at November 10, 2009 04:51 PM (W2yhR)

814 So, was she at least 18 years old at the time?
It would be a shame if she was underage and the pageant officials (and TMZ?) got busted on kiddie porn charges.

Posted by: malclave at November 10, 2009 04:55 PM (W1Ndc)

815 Ok, now you've pissed me off.

At last

Posted by: AlexD at November 10, 2009 04:56 PM (PkL9E)

816 At last

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Posted by: pajama momma at November 10, 2009 04:57 PM (W2yhR)

817 "Well to be fair their point seems to be that she is a hypocrite for
advocating Christianity and then doing something like this. One poster
at TMZ specifically stated that he has no problems with tape just with
her seemingly contradictive 'Christian idiocy'."

"Seemingly contradictive." When the only moral value is "not to be a hypocrite," you can apply this to anyone's behavior. The left has one tin drum they beat constantly. One side is hypocrisy, the other, racism. Get into an argument with them and the little drum starts banging. They have a little tin cymbal on top for the charge of "lying." Lying about what? Why, your racism and hypocrisy.

I expect lefties to bang the tin drum over Ms. Prejean and anyone or anything else they want to suppress. It's kind of sad to see folks taking a whack at that same drum "just to be fair."

Face it folks, hypocrisy is like lying. Intent matters, whether you wish it or not. If her intent was to defraud or decieve, that's one thing. If she was whistling past the graveyard in hopes the tape would stay hidden, that's another. I agree she should have put out the usual disclaimers. I disagree that it would have mattered.

But why do we accept (or allow the acceptance of) the memoirs of our President, his past with Reverend Wright and Bill Ayers (and his continuing relationships there), and all the drug use and posing as "hard-ass n***'s," and his calls for sharing wealth, and everything else that serves as warning signs of exactly.who.he.is; all these things seem to be accepted as just a voyage of personal discovery. Meanwhile Ms. Prejean goes up on the cross, and evidently very many on the right are acting as though she deserves it.

Sometimes I wonder about caucusing with Conservatives.

Posted by: K~Bob at November 10, 2009 05:08 PM (WtrwW)

818 No the shame is that you keep banging on"its ashame that she didn't get ahead of this thing." Its not the point. There should be no purity test on speech, and therefor no need to get out in front of anything. If a scumbag says someting that's true, its just true. If Charlie Manson says its wrong to kill people - he'd be right. He'd still be a scumbag, but that's beside the point. Its wrong to kill people and he doesn't need to get out in front of being a mass murderer to still be right on that point. Sure, people would debate over what right he has to speak so to others - but of course that would be a dubious use of oxygen - since the main thing is, its wrong to kill people no matter the character of who said it.

Posted by: Joe at November 10, 2009 05:11 PM (YwBI6)

819 K~Bob,

Oh dude you totally misunderstood me. I'm all for Carrie and for going berserk on Left. I just explained what their talking point is. They think being Christian and having any sort of free sexual life is mutually exclusive. They are equating her with those teleevangelists caught with hookers. I don't think she is a hypocrite at all since a) I don't think what she did is wrong in any way and b) even if she herself believes now that it is wrong it happened a long time ago. "Fair" was meant only to explain their talking point, I'm actually not a fan of being "fair" when it comes to our actions against left and won't stab any conservative in the back because I think he is not fair to left. In fact we need to dump this nonsense as soon as possible.

Posted by: AlexD at November 10, 2009 05:20 PM (PkL9E)

820 I just used your quote there to tee off, Alex. I saw your other posts that clarified. Sorry for appearing to misunderstand.
I should'a made that clear. Post was getting long, though, so I chopped a bit.

Posted by: K~Bob at November 10, 2009 05:29 PM (WtrwW)

821 Sometimes I wonder about caucusing with Conservatives.

Word. All this impotent Ed Morrisey like nonsense about being "fair" and "honest" with those we "merely disagree with" while the reality is that we're in a dogfight where other dog ofcourse is having non of this nonsense, is truly pathetic and discouraging. That is exact reason Republican Party doesn't fear us and feel free to nominare RINO after RINO as presidential candidates while Democratic Party nominates leftists one harder another.

Posted by: AlexD at November 10, 2009 05:29 PM (PkL9E)

822
Apparently, she was 17 years old when she made this video and sent it to her then boyfriend. So, that makes it CHILD PORN. No wonder the Democrats are so excited about it, they loves them some pedophilia. That would also mean that TMZ and the lawyers hired by Miss Cali-USA are in possesion of CHILD PORN. And the boyfriend that sold it to them, as an adult now, has distributed CHILD PORN. If my memory serves me correctly, Tracy Lords were are you, the officials in California used to take CHILD PORNOGRAPHY and its attendant crimes very seriously, but not anymore, I would guess.

Posted by: Hughie at November 10, 2009 07:18 PM (KAa2W)

823 Sorry dude, but it is you who have zero understanding of opposition. Why would every community based around some form of pleasure lean hardly to ultra hardly to left? Gamers, pot smokers, porn lovers, free sex types, hyppies, surfers etc etc.
You have some narrow views about what constitutes pleasure. In any case those people are the lefts pawns, not the left. Just as "gay marrage" is a left-wing cause and not really a "gay" cause.
Perhaps you're mixing them with political liberals, who are indeed about control
Then I'm not sure why you feel the need to argue with me.

When their goal, as with pot legalization which I BTW support, is less control they are all for it.
Not so. The legalize pot movement is about control. It's about controlling the laws in this country. It's not really an anti-control movment, it's about who does the controlling.

For crying out loud I'm not lecturing you.
I didn't say you were. I said you were lecturing Christians.

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Posted by: Ohio Dan at November 10, 2009 10:26 PM (RQ+qN)

825 Hell hath no fury like a bitchy woman looking at a model.


So sayeth someone who's yet to know a woman.


My, my, that seems rather cruel, considering he could be leading a celibate lifestyle in order be a proper spokesman for conservative ideals.

Posted by: Kurt at November 11, 2009 12:19 AM (4RrH4)

826 You have some narrow views about what constitutes pleasure. In any case
those people are the lefts pawns, not the left. Just as "gay marrage"
is a left-wing cause and not really a "gay" cause.


"Leftist pawns" not the "left"? If you understand the opposition why you resort to some vague mataphors instead of clear notions? The fact remains that leftist base are simply people who don't give flying fuck about all your conservative values (justice, value of innocent life etc) and are in line for free stuff which they have no problem taking from others. It has always been this way. They were slitting throats in Russia in 1917 not because of "control", but because they were poor and ready to rob the relatively rich part of the country.


Then I'm not sure why you feel the need to argue with me.
You make no distinction between leftist politicians and their base. Politicians are indeed about control. I explained why.

Plus, "gay marriage" is the gayest possible cause imaginable. Because when you're gay you want to marry your partner. Period. And if you don't give a crap about noble things you will come to hate any force which is in any degree against it no matter what this force represents. That's why they hate conservatives.


The problem is you think peoples political agendas are some sort of cartoonish abstract world instead of realising they are guided by the same simple motives all humans have always been guided by. Pot enthusiasts want to legalize pot not because it's their thing, but because of "control". Gays want legalize gay marriage because of "control". I guess Nazis slaughtered jews not because they hated them but, you guessed it, because of "control". Hippies enjoying drugs and sex - "control". I wonder when thugs rob you in the street is it also about "control"? Get real would you.


I didn't say you were. I said you were lecturing Christians.
And I didn't lecture them as well. You seem to be unable to comrehend anything outside of some catchy notions which promtly established themselves in your mind.

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