1 first?

2

Heh.

If you put a frog in lukewarm water, and then gradually turn up the temperature to boiling, the frog won't sense the danger, and will eventually be cooked to death, or so the metaphor goes. Throw a frog into boiling water, and it will jump out immediately, rather than be scalded.

People tend to react the same way to new demands by the government. If new powers and restrictions are introduced gradually, they'll get used to each one so that the next one seems no big deal.

In this case, we're being tossed into boiling water. It's time for Americans of left, right, and center to say that this is not the economic system we want. If you still have warm feelings toward Obama and his good intentions, ask yourself this: Will you feel comfortable one day when the appointees of President Romney or President Palin are exercising unconstitutional, unauthorized, unreviewable authority to restructure the economy the way they see fit?

3 Democrats, the party of "I was for it before I was against it".  Heh!  And they say the Republicans are in the midst of a civil war?  With blue on blue violence, the Dems could be on the brink of an uncivil war.  Heh!

4 Dear Representative:

On behalf of the United States Conference of Catholic Bishops (USCCB), we strongly urge you to vote for the Stupak-Ellsworth-Pitts-Kaptur-Dahlkemper-Lipinski-Smith Amendment and to support a fair process in the House of Representatives to consider this essential improvement in health care reform legislation. The Stupak-Ellsworth-Pitts-Kaptur-Dahlkemper-Lipinski-Smith Amendment will keep in place current federal law on abortion funding and conscience protections in the Affordable Health Care for America Act (H.R. 3962).

Despite some claims to the contrary, H.R. 3962 does not reflect the status quo on abortion. It fails to explicitly and clearly include the longstanding policy prohibiting federal funding of elective abortion and plans which include elective abortion (Hyde Amendment). Medicaid, Medicare, Children�s Health Insurance Program (CHIP), and other federal health legislation include this provision. Currently H.R. 3962 has some helpful provisions on conscience protection and non- preemption of state laws, but it utterly fails to maintain current prohibitions on abortion mandates and abortion funding. Instead it creates elaborate measures requiring people to pay for other people's abortions with their taxes, private premiums or federal subsidies. Significantly, the Federal Employee Heath Benefit Program, which covers all members of Congress and their families, has long been governed by the Hyde amendment in all its aspects and is widely seen as a model for reform.

Additionally, H.R. 3962 allows the U.S. Secretary of Health and Human Services to mandate that the "public option" will include unlimited abortions. Millions of purchasers will be forced to pay an "abortion surcharge," which requires purchasers of many plans to pay directly and explicitly for abortion coverage. This is unprecedented in federal law.

The Stupak-Ellsworth-Pitts-Kaptur-Dahlkemper-Lipinski-Smith Amendment will not affect coverage of abortion in non-subsidized health plans, and will not bar anyone from purchasing a supplemental abortion policy with their own funds. Thus far, H.R. 3962 does not meet President Obama's commitment of barring use of federal dollars for abortion and maintaining current conscience laws. If the Motion to Recommit focuses on denying immigrants needed health care, as reported, we strongly urge Members to oppose the Motion to Recommit.

Our Bishops' conference has been working for many years to support health care reform legislation that truly protects the life, dignity, health and consciences of all. Adopting this amendment will help move us move toward this essential national priority and moral imperative.

Sincerely,

Bishop William Murphy
Diocese of Rockville Centre,
Chairman, Committee on Domestic Justice and Human Development

Cardinal Justin Rigali
Archdiocese of Philadelphia
Chairman, Committee on Pro-life Activities

 

5

If you put a frog in lukewarm water, and then gradually turn up the temperature to boiling, the frog won't sense the danger, and will eventually be cooked to death, or so the metaphor goes. Throw a frog into boiling water, and it will jump out immediately, rather than be scalded.

Heh!  I alread did that stunt on t.v.!

6 We're still arguing about this in the other thread!

7 So THAT'S why my ass is so sweaty...

8 Did someone say President Romney.  Or even Palin?  Wow.

9 The idea is to pass something. The Repubs even if they take back congress will never be able to get rid of it because they haven't had 60 votes in the Senate for over 100 years.

When the Dems are back in power they and incrementally tighten it down until the government totally controls all health care.

That has been the intention all along. Not single payer, not competition, and certainly not health insurance.

It is the complete nationalization of all health care which will then be used as a club to control everyone's lives and nationalize other industry.

10 I can support the abortion of this Bill. That's about it.

11 If they pass a bill with abortion in it then they are going to have a big fight with the Catholic Church on their hands.

12

I've got it!

For anyone sympathetic for John Mohammed, just think of him as a fetus.

13

Or they will just get the courts to “find it” in the Constitution. Right next to Gay Marriage.

14
the RNC produced a pretty good vid targeting Blanche Lincoln

15 Maddog the Press will never allow us to forget that President Palin or Romney is violating the constitution. Matthews, Olbermann, and Co. would be frothing at the mouth and have 15 minute updates. "O" does it and it is ho hum.

16 Our best ally in this fight is too delay, the Democrats really want to get the vote on this as far from the voters short term memory as possible; but not so far as to have to answer for the implications of the bill until 2014.

17 Forget this trivia - the Japanese have invented an inflatable bra!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rtIcedRcIk0

18

14
the RNC produced a pretty good vid targeting Blanche Lincoln

Blank Stare Blanche is my senator. After all the angry emails I've sent her, I am probably under more scrutiny than say....an Islamist  Major in the Army.

19 Ridiculous. Ed Morrissey is wrong, wrong, wrong: "Voting to approve the Stupak amendment was a moment where strategy and principle converged. It was not only a good tactic, it was the right thing to do."

The GOP needed to make the Demotards own this bill 100%. The Dems can make all the promises they want, they never keep them. The idea that Stupak was a way to blunt Hellcare represents the folly of single-issue politics as well as refusal to acknowledge the tactical feints of the libtards.

20 O/T:  "The police report is unambiguous about what happened on August 6th in St. Louis. The White House, through SEIU, did indeed ‘punch back twice as hard.’ What is ambiguous, however, is why prosecutors haven’t pursued the charges against SEIU. As you will learn, there is a lot to suggest that Bob McCulloch, the St. Louis DA, is trying to cover-up SEIU’s crime. Stay tuned as the truth comes out."
(via matt drudge)

21
- the Japanese have invented an inflatable bra!

That's great...

if you're a tranny.

22 Posted by: Tweet beats dead horses at November 09, 2009 04:11 PM (cjsuZ)

Japanese women aren't getting married.  They are well educated and making money.  They aren't, however, too keen on surgery.  Whoever invented this bra will be a billionaire in short order.

23 One Trojan Horse after another.  Now it's abortion.

The bill needs to die no matter what is in it.  Abortion.  Illegal immigrants.  Public option.

It doesn't matter what's in it.  It needs to die. 

24 Some people just don't get it.  This is the HOLY GRAIL for the democrats.  They have been fighting for this for 75 years.  THEY DO NOT CARE if they lose the majority or the presidency over it, because it will never ever go away.  They have suicide bomber thinking, it is their jihad, its democrat heaven.

25 If they pass a bill with abortion in it then they are going to have a big fight with the Catholic Church on their hands.

I wouldn't bet on the Church valuing "life" over socialism. Democrats have bet the other way for decades, and won. Kennedy went to his grave with their lips on his ass, and so will Pelosi.

26
Asian women feel a sense of shame due to lack of pubic hair so it is not uncommon for them to elect to have a hair transplant...down there.

The more you know...

27 If they pass a bill with abortion in it then they are going to have a big fight with the Catholic Church on their hands.

If it comes down to it, if forced to comply by the federal govt, the Catholic Bishops would rather close ALL their hospitals than be forced to perform abortions.  That's IIRC about one in seven beds in this country

28

26
Asian women feel a sense of shame due to lack of pubic hair so it is not uncommon for them to elect to have a hair transplant...down there.

 

WHAT? Thats the silliest thing I ever read. Why would a woman give a damn about not having pubic hair?

29 Wow, just was told that the heavy tax on the union's Cadillac health plans is still  in the bill.   OH it doesn't matter, everyone I know who is in a union complains constantly about the money the union takes out of their paycheck.  Theya re complaining now that there paychecks are less than they were years ago cause of all the union "dues" taken out.  I always ask them when they rae going to realize that the raise the union gets them isn't a raise if the union takes it.  They just don't get it.

30
 a little history for you, my non-yellow friends:

In 1939, Dr. Okuda, a Japanese dermatologist developed a breakthrough process to restore hair to...restore hair in the pubic area lost to either genetics or trauma.

31

Blank Stare Blanche is my senator. After all the angry emails I've sent her, I am probably under more scrutiny than say....an Islamist  Major in the Army.

Heh!  True dat!

32 "27 If they pass a bill with abortion in it then they are going to have a big fight with the Catholic Church on their hands.

If it comes down to it, if forced to comply by the federal govt, the Catholic Bishops would rather close ALL their hospitals than be forced to perform abortions.  That's IIRC about one in seven beds in this country

Posted by: CUS at November 09, 2009 04:19 PM (wOGfT)"

Was told that the federal government is fully prepared to buy the hospitals from the Catholic Church.

33
Why would a woman give a damn about not having pubic hair?

haha, that's what I thought, too, bro, but the Japs are weird like that

34 "33
Why would a woman give a damn about not having pubic hair?

haha, that's what I thought, too, bro, but the Japs are weird like that

Posted by: Tweet beats dead horses at November 09, 2009 04:22 PM (cjsuZ)"

Isn't it important to the process?

35 A Whamko bra

36
It's kinda fascinating.

Unfortunately, many ethnic groups in East Asia have a genetic constitution that codes for a relative lack of body hair growth as compared to Caucasians and they have only limited pubic terminal hair. Whilst both men and women in these ethnic groups have a lack of pubic hair growth, the social pressure is mostly focused on women. Some women suffer psychologic distress and have a low self-esteem due to a lack of pubic hair growth.

This "condition" may cause them shame and decrease their chances of attaining a happy and successful marriage due to the potential husbands’ suspicious ideas. For Japanese women it can also be an issue in public baths and hot springs where nude bathing is acceptable, but "morally questionable" patrons are barred. Correction of this "problem" can be achieved either by hair transplantation or sometimes by grafting larger sections of skin containing hair to the region of the pubis.

37

Japanese women aren't getting married.  They are well educated and making money.  They aren't, however, too keen on surgery.  Whoever invented this bra will be a billionaire in short order.

Heh, one of the surgeons I work with has been to Japan several times.  He said he was really struck by how flat chested the women are and how crooked their teeth are.  He said he could make a mint if he started a practice that was dedicated to ameliorating these two problems.  He wasn't sure whether it was better to call it "Tits and Teeth" or "Breasts and Braces". 

Basically, this bra is just a wonder bra with an air pump.  Those Japanese are really good at taking someone elses idea and taking it to the next level.  Hence their success in the automobile and electronics industries.

38 O/T:  "Iran charges three detained Americans with spying"
"The three, Shane Bauer, 27, Sarah Shourd, 31, and Josh Fattal, 27, were held after crossing into Iran from northern Iraq at the end of July. Their families said they were hiking and had strayed across the border accidentally."

remember this?

39 Asian women feel a sense of shame due to lack of pubic hair so it is not uncommon for them to elect to have a hair transplant...down there.

If they do it is a relatively new development.  I never ran into that in my many travels as an uncouth yoot. The only thing I found was that some of them wanted larger breasts and ALL of them had the longest nips that I have ever seen.

40 One less Democrat! http://tinyurl.com/yz6s6be

41 This is the HOLY GRAIL for the democrats. They have been fighting for this for 75 years. THEY DO NOT CARE if they lose the majority or the presidency over it, because it will never ever go away.

Yes; in fact if you think about it, it is a means to guarantee a permanent majority. Once the citizen is beholden to gubmint for his very medicine and medical treatment, he will not dare jeopardized that guarantee. There is a very good reason Medicare has never shrunk or been privatized. After the entire nation is putatively on Medicare, every attempt to scale it back will be "denying you medicine."

42 They lie.

43

Isn't it important to the process?

No, and it gets stuck in your teeth...

44

I always thought the Japanese were grossed out by hair. That was one of the reasons that the Native Japanese (Aiku?) were considered unclean?

45 LOL, ONT returns at 4:30 pm

46 Over the weekend I posted stuff about how Palin and Linbaugh et al were played on the NY 23 thing.  Apparently, BO expected their reaction and plotted accordingly.  Seriously did linbaugh mention this today?

47 "43

Isn't it important to the process?

No, and it gets stuck in your teeth...

Posted by: maddogg at November 09, 2009 04:28 PM (OlN4e)"

Reduction of friction is important.

48

Asian women feel a sense of shame due to lack of pubic hair so it is not uncommon for them to elect to have a hair transplant...down there

Thats the vibe I've been getting for years and I knew something was fishy with that doll hair look on some of the e bitches that come my way!

 

key board no working too good!!!

49

Reduction of friction is important.

Thats what foreplay is for.

50 This conversation is futile, right, 'cause it's DOA in the Senate, right?  Right?  Right?

51
It's Limbaugh, and no I don't think he did.

^{rimbaugh in japanese}

52 If they pass a bill with abortion in it then they are going to have a big fight with the Catholic Church on their hands.

How many divisions votes does the Pope have?

53 @27 Spare me. You convince the lefty gay bishops in the USCCB that the health care bill will promote "social justice" and they will cave. Some will hold strong but most will cave. They love the idea of redistribution too--they do not grasp the idea that if the US goes down so does all of its aid around the world--I quit giving to the church and give directly to places like Fisher house because the bishops adore illegal aliens, living wage, the US as the bad guy (Hiroshima), redistribution, etc.

54 50 This conversation is futile, right, 'cause it's DOA in the Senate, right?  Right?  Right?

Posted by: Editor at November 09, 2009 04:31 PM (pUfK9)

Incorrect.

The Senate may well pass some version of a healthcare bill to keep the process alive.  And once the bill is in the conference committee, the subject of this conversation will be very germane.

55 And some yell at Vic for being OT. Sheesh.

Not that I mind thinking about Japanese female pudenda.

56

OH it doesn't matter, everyone I know who is in a union complains constantly about the money the union takes out of their paycheck. 

Ya got some names. We'll take care of those complainers -ya know.

57 Re# 28 maddog
"WHAT? Thats the silliest thing I ever read. Why would a woman give a damn about not having pubic hair?"

If you think that's bad, it gets worse.
The Japanese have a thing about displaying armpit hair in public.
It's very bad.  When I was stationed in Japan, we were forbidden to wear sleeveless shirts off base because we would offend the locals.
While I was there, I watched an American made movie edited for Japanese viewers.  It had full frontal nudity, even some pubic hair, but whenever armpit hair came up, the editors blocked it out.
The Japanese can be weird.
Don't even ask me about their porn.

58

Thats what foreplay is for.

Foreplay -- never heard of it.

59

"The three, Shane Bauer, 27, Sarah Shourd, 31, and Josh Fattal, 27, were held after crossing into Iran from northern Iraq at the end of July. Their families said they were hiking and had strayed across the border accidentally."

I honestly think these 3 idiots were of the "we can change the world" naive, politically correct, libtard persuasion.  I don't think they accidentally wandered over the border, I think they went there on purpose.  It's too bad they are going to learn from firsthand experience that the world is a scary place full of really bad people that you can't engage in dialogue with.  How long will it be before Jimmy Carter flies over there and unsuccessfully tries to negotiate their release?  (If he's successful, then I'm sure that we've given away the farm and will enrich their uranium for them to weapons grade).

60

Thats what foreplay is for.

Foreplay -- never heard of it.

And believe me, on that one, he is absolutely telling the truth.

61

This conversation is futile

There is nothing futile about hairless japanese vajayjay.

62 Posted by: runningrn at November 09, 2009 04:36 PM (qP2BK)

I think he'll send Jesse and Al.  Can't really afford to lose an ex president.

63 Lace wigs for wee wees?

64 Or maybe he will send hill and bill, this way he can kill two birds with one stone.

65 Oh Dear God...just read this thread.  What if someone really important comes here to read it?

66
ch-ch-ch-Chia Cooch!

67

I think he'll send Jesse and Al.  Can't really afford to lose an ex president.

That would be an international incident in the making for sure!  Jesse and Al wouldn't strike the requisite conciliatory tone that Jimmy would.  They'd be all bluster and offense, where as Jimmy would quietly unzip his pants and bend over...

68 This conversation is futile, right, 'cause it's DOA in the Senate, right?  Right?  Right?

--------------------------

Oh, definitely. If there's one thing GOP Senators are known for, it's rock-ribbed conservatism. Not to worry. House passage was just a futile gesture. Also, the Germans will be quite satisfied with Czechoslovakia.

69
this thread went off the rails with the frog parable at #2

70

Ace:

1) It was easier for the pro-choice Democrats in the House to vote for a bill with the Stupak Amendment in it than it will be for the pro-life Democrats in the House to vote for a conference report without it.  That's because the pro-choice Dems knew that the conference committee would strip out the pro-life language, given that it offends too many Democrat Party special interests.  When the conference report comes out without the Stupak Amendment, there won't be any second chance for the pro-life Dems to get that language back in unless they kill the bill and cause the process to start over.

2) The issue of Federal funding for abortion in Obamacare is a huge issue because of its impact on the Hyde Amendment.  This becomes a way to invalidate Federal restrictions on abortion funding across the board, arguably leading to increased demand for abortion (since it'll be "free").  If the Stupak Amendment remains intact, then women will still have access to abortion on the same basis as they currently do.  On that basis, the pro-life Democrats have a lot more to lose than the pro-choice ones have to gain.

71

We lost tens of thousands of men in the island campaigns so the Japs could focus on more pressing issues like pubic hair.

honestly how did that get brough up in this thread?

72 I am seriously beginning to wonder if the "rest of the world" is having any economic problems at all.  It seems we are the only ones having problems.  That is concerning.  Micky D's posted fabulous earnings overseas and priceline just had their best earnings quarter evah with mostly foreign people buying.

73 BREAKING: 41 Democrats sign letter stating the will not vote for the conference bill containing the Merkin Amendment.

"This matter is public as well as pubic," said Rep. Cropper McHairless, at a press briefing.

74

65

Like who? Ace's advertisers?

75

Oh, definitely. If there's one thing GOP Senators are known for, it's rock-ribbed conservatism. Not to worry. House passage was just a futile gesture. Also, the Germans will be quite satisfied with Czechoslovakia.

I couldn't believe how blase some of the conservative pundits were--acting like this isn't a big deal because it will be stopped in the Senate.  It made me want to scream.  You can never let up, you can never think it's over, you can never get complacent, you must always be vigilant and ready to act. 

76 If they pass a bill with abortion in it then they are going to have a big fight with the Catholic Church on their hands.


If 50% of Catholic voters had not voted to empower the pro-choice politician whose position on abortion is more extreme than pro-death NARAL then this soulless Catholic Church insanity would not be happening.

Catholic Church demands Universal Health Care unfortunately abortion comes with the package; you should have voted your conscience BEFORE the election not after.

So Be Happy Catholic Church your beloved Universal Health Care is being signed, sealed delivered just for you; too late to fix the betrayal now.

77
Do you think they were kamikazes or just bad pilots?

78 "This is about a cradle to grave Utopia and it will destroy the very underpinnings of our democracy"....hannity just now

79 Once again, you had Republicans pulling victory from the hands of defeat.  If they hadn't voted yes on the Stupak ammendment, then 40 democrats would have voted against this bill.  Stupid, stupid Republicans!

80
btw, The Great Raid is a very good movie, speaking of the Japanese.

I'd put it right up there with We Were Soldiers and Blackhawk Down.

81 46 Over the weekend I posted stuff about how Palin and Linbaugh et al were played on the NY 23 thing.  Apparently, BO expected their reaction and plotted accordingly.

Not buying it, its easy to say you played somebody after you know the outcome. In fact when I picked last weekends football games, I was 100% right.

82 Actually, post # 2 was quite germane to this thread's subject.

83
Owens won by only 3%.

Even the Democrats were afraid Hoffman would win.

84

As a compassionate, former sufferer of secondary PTSD, I'd like to give a shout-out to Hasan. Is Hasan in the house? 

This bill will cover our treatment.

85 "And, even with undeniable information available to him on the risk of recidivism, Bishop Murphy continued to place a higher priority on preventing scandal and providing support to alleged abusers than on protecting children from sexual abuse. The problem was compounded because Bishop Murphy failed to recognize clergy sexual abuse of children as conduct deserving investigation and prosecution by public authorities. Instead, he viewed such crimes by priests as conduct deserving an internal pastoral response."

Same guy who signed the letter upthread.

86

Will you feel comfortable one day when the appointees of President Romney or President Palin are exercising unconstitutional, unauthorized, unreviewable authority to restructure the economy the way they see fit?

 

I call bullshit on this.  I cannot under any circumstances envision this happening.

87

Once again, you had Republicans pulling victory from the hands of defeat.  If they hadn't voted yes on the Stupak ammendment, then 40 democrats would have voted against this bill.  Stupid, stupid Republicans!

Not sure runningrn. The way the house works, Pelosi probably would not have put the bill up for a vote unless she knew she had the number. Her real challenge was in deciding who could be cut loose (in other words, vote no) and who had to bite the bullet.

The problem is, we will never know. However, my base instinct is that it would have passed, but instead of 220-215 it is 218-217.

88
You want to drag the germans into this thread, now, maddog?

89 When I read that the Republicans got the Democrats to promise not to strip out the amendment in conference, I knew it was over.
The repubs got rolled.

90

You want to drag the germans into this thread?

are they hairless germans?

 

91

Over the weekend I posted stuff about how Palin and Linbaugh et al were played on the NY 23 thing.  Apparently, BO expected their reaction and plotted accordingly. 

I don't know how they were "played" as you say.  The Dems spent millions shipping in people to get out the vote for this Dem.  Rush and Palin never left their desks yet the vote was close.  Obumbles should take notice that he barely won a race that he overspent on.  Wait til 2010 when the luxury of overspending on every race isn't possible.  Rush and Palin will just have to say who they favor and Dems have problems.

92
kropped krauts

93 Hey!

Some assholes left a steaming pile of shit on my doorstep over the weekend!

Any idea who it was?

94

btw, The Great Raid is a very good movie, speaking of the Japanese.

The book on which it was based Ghost Soldiers by Hampton Sides was so much better than the movie.  One of my most prized possessions is a letter I got from Robert Prince (who led the raid on the Cabanatuan prison camp and rescued everyone with only one casulty, the platoon's doctor).  I had read Ghost Soldiers and sent him a letter thanking him for his service (his address was in the phonebook).  He had moved, the post office forwarded my letter, and he actually wrote me back.  He said that it was such an amazing thing to be a part of a mission where he was saving lives instead of taking them, a true rarity during war.  It was soo cool.  Sadly, he passed away this past January. 

95
did you save the letter?

96 Hey!

Some assholes left a steaming pile of shit on my doorstep over the weekend!

Any idea who it was?
Posted by: The Senate at November 09, 2009 04:57 PM (SPSOE)

Wasn't us man! [snickersnickersnickersnicker]

97

The problem is, we will never know. However, my base instinct is that it would have passed, but instead of 220-215 it is 218-217.

I was bummed that one Republican voted for it.  Cao is in a Democratic district, but he went along with it because The Bamster promised him all kinds of aid and debt forgiveness for his district.  I was shocked that anyone would believe Barry since all his promises come with expiration dates. 

98
duh, I just read that you did

99
Cao = Judas

how's your 30 pieces of silver, asshole?

100
how's your IOU for 30 pieces of silver, asshole?

fixed

101 Coulter on Glenn Beck's show.

102 defending Cao?

103 69
this thread went off the rails with the frog parable at #2

Posted by: Tweet beats dead horses at November 09, 2009 04:41 PM (cjsuZ)

Frogs don't sit in pots of water calmly waiting to be boiled to death.  They jump out when the water becomes uncomfortably warm.

However, human beings do acclimate to small changes and make them part of their own psychological make-up.  That was a technique the Chinese used to great effect in "brainwashing" American prisoners during the Korean War.  The captors would hold an essay contest on the topic of why Communism is better than capitalism, with the prize of a cigarette.  The prisoners would generally write something to the effect of "screw you," but there'd be the one guy who'd write, "in general, screw you, although it is a little unfair that some folks in America are so poor."

That little admission was the crack into which the captors inserted the wedge.  They would solicit similarly small tokens of cooperation with similarly small rewards, which the prisoner could easily justify as no big deal.  But over time, his internal image would change, and he would start to see his captors as not so bad and helping them as not such a despicable thing to do.

That is why the frog-in-the-pot analogy is appropriate to the current climate in America.  Look at Social Security: it's so deeply ingrained that most Americans across the political spectrum think that privatizing it -- letting them keep their own money to earn a much better retirement for themselves -- is somehow un-American.  The changes become ingrained and reversing them becomes an act of revolution.

104 Oh gawd - we've lost Coulter?  She's gone... pubicless?

105
whoa check out the ad for the Oprah Store on the main page

That is NOT Oprah's body. What a phony!

106
As God as my witness, I swear I thought turkeys frogs could fly.

btw, Thanksgiving Day is coming up and that episode and Planes, Trains, and Automobiles should be on everyone's T-Day viewing list.

107
Susan Collins!

We can always count on you to be a fucking dunce, Susan.

108 We'd like to give a shout-out to Susan Collins.

109 Some assholes left a steaming pile of shit on my doorstep over the weekend! Any idea who it was?

Read the card, silly.

110 "The Cao victory is a symbol of our future. In the two years ahead, House Republicans will demonstrate our commitment to reform by holding ourselves to the highest possible ethical standard - and, with new faces like Joseph Cao and John Fleming and the rest of the incoming GOP freshman class in our ranks, by presenting principled, superior solutions to the challenges facing our country"

Repeat after me:  "they are all the same doesn't matter what letter is next to their name,  they are all the same,..."

111 Susan Collins?

Of course I've heard of her.

I love her!

112 Bryon York saying the Prez sent out an email asking for money one hour after the house bill passed.  He said organizing for America is pushing it's people to make phone calls and give money.  Wonder what they do with all this money they have been raising?

113 Wonder what they do with all this money they have been raising?

Posted by: curious at November 09, 2009 05:22 PM (p302b)

I have a leettle bit of an ideeea.

114 Ok, telling you now, just like I did about the house bill, BO wants this done before Christmas and it will be done way before Christmas.  So when the senate votes it in, don't want you to be surprised.   The scary part will be when they merge the two bills, the Senate bill will be but a memory.

115

Posted by: Tweet beats dead horses at November 09, 2009 05:00 PM (cjsuZ)

Yes, I did.  I just ran up and got it.

"Thank you for your kind letter.  I moved from Kirkland to P.T. to be near my son and family but Kirkland was wonderful.  We had a wonderful lake and mountain view."  (He use to live in the same town as me)

"The event over 60 years ago was truly a most satisfying event.  To release 500+ POW's and return them to safety was a great joy.  It is a rare event in any war to save lives instead of just taking them.  Thank you again."

Sincerely,

Bob Prince

Like I said, it is one of my prized possesions, and if we had a fire, it would be one of those things I'd try to save before I left the house.  It's hanging up in my craft room, and every now and then I read it.  The thing with "The Greatest Generation" is they just did what they were called to do and didn't make a big production or fuss, much like our military today.  He really was an understated, modest man, and you can really see that.  In his acknowledgements of Ghost Soldiers, Hampton Sides says this about Prince:  "Robert Prince especially went out of his way to privide details and documents.  I thank him for sharing his unpublished memoirs and for hosting a meeting with several other Rangers from the Seattle area." 

When he passed away, James Vesely, Seattle Times Editorial Page Editor wrote this column about him.

"...Prince had been inducted into the Ranger Hall of Fame at Fort Bening, GA.  The black beret was his--before incoming Veterans Affairs Secretary, Gen. Eric Shinseki took the black beret away from the Rangers and distributed it to the whole army...Prince was a Garfield grad and a Stanford grad, although he told me in later years he had drifted away from Stanford "because of its politics.

Yet nothing about the mild-mannered man sitting in a Kirkland living room gave hint to the determination and ferocity that must have guided him those days and nights living on the edge of valor or sorrow.

...No matter, it comes back to Bob Prince.  How did America produce such men?  They are still working their jobs in the Rangers and the infantry, stil in the Marines and flying the aircrews, but Prince was that mystery of the accidental soldier who accounted for great things.

A man who spent his life marketing Washington apples and raising a family was not a killer for a moment, but a ptriot for all time.  Time was the thing that brought him to WWII...Prince lost a son in Vietnam.  Others have lost sons and daughters in Iraq, Afghanistan and who knows what other hellholes.  The hero of his time endures.

(sorry to be so o/t!)

116

The Hyde amendment passed with the Rino sisters there, so will this.

There are more than enough Dem Senators to insure an amendment similar to Stupak's will be in the Seante bill.

 

And will you forget about Cao already?

He held hsi vote till it passed. had he been 218 he would have vote No for sure or there would have been no point in him waiting to vote.

 

117

This conversation is futile, right, 'cause it's DOA in the Senate, right?  Right?  Right?

Oh, yeah, you betcha. And by the way, the check is in the mail, and I swear to God, I have had a vasectomy, and absolutely, no way, no how, can you get pregnant!

118
What a great man.

Pappy Boyington was from Washington, too, no? Did they know each other?

119 Byron York said that the Republicans had made a "deal" with the pro-life Dems and if they had not voted for the amendment it would have been breaking their word.

As for Coulter on Cau, she didn't say anything I didn't say after the vote. The only thing his vote did was allow another "worried" Dem to vote against it and he got 1.2 billion in loan forgiveness for it.

120

Meanwhile Michael Steel claims some Republicans fear him as a black man.  Check it out at Hot Air. 

 

Michael, Michael, Michael. 

They are not afraid of you because you are a scary black man.  You are not a scary black man.  That is a stupid stereotype anyway.  And it is obvious you are a nice guy.  No one is afraid of you. 

That is part of the problem. 

Conservatives would feel better if the left feared you.  Not for being a scary black man, but for being a committed Republican and conservative who was moving the party forward and putting the liberal adgenda in jeopardy.  Rahm Emanuel is a little yap dog of a man, harmless physically, but people fear him because he is a scary political infighter. 

121 Where did Beck find a Professor at Columbia University to come on his program?

122 Micky D's posted fabulous earnings overseas and priceline just had their best earnings quarter evah with mostly foreign people buying.

Shit yea.  If you're dollar heavy your stepping on flaming bags of shit every day.  If you're dollar light then you're filling bags of shit and lighting them on fire and finding stoop to target.

I guess Talk Radio is slamming the GOP on the Stupak vote today.  Anyone listening?

123 Professor Buckner, we salute you.

124

Pappy Boyington was from Washington, too, no? Did they know each other?

That, I don't know.  I do believe Boyington went to the University of Washington, and they were going to build a statue of him a while back. I'm not sure if it's done yet or not.

125 curious, I'm curious: do you know how to close a fucking link?

126 This guy Buckner from Columbia University on Beck's show was fabulous.  Wonder if Columbia will fire him, he didn't seem to be the usual lib/dem they employ.  Co worker popped head up after just listening and saw the crawl and yelled "he's from Columbia University?  How did he get in there?

127 125 curious, I'm curious: do you know how to close a fucking link?

Posted by: cassandra at November 09, 2009 05:36 PM (GdalM)

??????

128 I know everybody is getting all wee-wee'd up on this Stupak bill, but it just doesn't matter.

If there is govt health care in any form, it will be administratively funded based on who holds the executive office, just like the "mexico city policy".  You think pro-abortion sympathizers in the govt aren't going to pay based on some amendment to a 2,000 page bill?  It will just be called womens reproductive services or some other orwellian name.

Stupak or not, liberal administrations will fund abortions. Repeat with me now:
It just doesn't matter. It just doesn't matter.

Kill the Bill.

129

Oh, yeah, you betcha. And by the way, the check is in the mail, and I swear to God, I have had a vasectomy, and absolutely, no way, no how, can you get pregnant!

Posted by: mikeyslaw at November 09, 2009 05:28 PM (QMGr1)

And don't forget "I don't love her any more, our marriage has been over for years, I'm going to leave her any day now", "don't worry about that yellow discharge, I saw the doctor and he said it wasn't anything", "What?  Me married?  No!", and "I've never felt like this with anyone else before."  Yup!

130

(sorry no time to read the comments)...

not sure it's been pointed out the wassermann-fugs was talking about this today, yada, yada, yada. oh and this broad had the gall to say that bachmann and fox "repulse" women.

newsflash honey: YOU REPULSE EVERYTHING WITH A GENETIC CODE.

okay, back to your regularly scheduled bitch-slapping...

131 "125 curious, I'm curious: do you know how to close a fucking link?

Posted by: cassandra at November 09, 2009 05:36 PM (GdalM)"

Am I doing something wrong in my posting of links?  Can someone please explain if I am.  TIA

132 That extra vote from Bill Owens helped.

133 Am I doing something wrong in my posting of links?  Can someone please explain if I am.  TIA

Your links have a RINO quality we cannot abide.

134 If there is govt health care in any form, it will be administratively funded based on who holds the executive office, just like the "mexico city policy".

The Hyde Amendment blocks the executive from doing that with Medicaid dollars.

The Stupak-Pitts amendment is making the same attempt with Pelosicare.  The Executive won't be able to just employ administrative accounting to direct funds to pay for or subsidize election abortion.

135 The Stupak-Pitts amendment is making the same attempt with Pelosicare.  The Executive won't be able to just employ administrative accounting to direct funds to pay for or subsidize election abortion.

Can he direct funds to planned Parenthood? If so, what's the difference?

136 111 Susan Collins?

Of course I've heard of her.

I love her!

Posted by: Charles Gibson at November 09, 2009 05:20 PM (FCWQb)

She can see Canada from her house, you know.

137 Susan Collins needs to be tar and feathered.

138 Can he direct funds to planned Parenthood? If so, what's the difference?

In some ways.  "Comprehensive Sex Education" delivers tax payer dollars to PP.  Free condoms and sex ed programs are a couple of ways PP operates subsidized programs that they only marginally fund with private money.  This is through existing law.

Stupak-Pitts takes similar language in the Hyde Amendment and applies it to the new law that Pelosicare creates and amends.  It ties the hands of the executive branch that would operate Pelosicare.

There's a huge cash cow out there that Planned Parenthood is exploiting.  It is an "inventory fee" they bill to the Veterans Affairs Department for holding birth control prescription drugs.  The VA is one of the largest buyers of prescription drugs so they obtain preferred pricing.  PP is able to purchase some birth control prescription drugs for $2, but they are billing the VA for $18.  They're using discretionary powers of the Health and Human Services Secretary to book this $16 profit.  They're getting it at the state level.  California is the largest culprit.  PP actually bills the VA $16 to keep an inventory of these birth control drugs.  It's odd because shouldn't PP pay for the inventory costs?

PP California fired the Finance VP when he started asking questions about this.  It's one of the most unreported news stories of the last two years.   It's big to me, but I'm anti-abortion and I want abortion supporters to pay for their choices with their own money and leave the public treasuries out of it.

139 Will you feel comfortable one day when the appointees of President Romney or President Palin are exercising unconstitutional, unauthorized, unreviewable authority to restructure the economy the way they see fit?

To all my lib friends: I cannot wait until health care is passed because we will be denying health care left and right.  Live in a big city, no health care.  Live in a blue state, no health care.  Member of a union, no health care.  Tort lawyer, no health care.  Registered Democrat, no health care.  Humanities professor, anti-health care.

140 Breaking...

POTUS is mortgaging his support for health care reform.  He's about to tackle the Stupak amendment.  He sees problems with it.

He's got major problems though.  Stupak is modeled after Hyde.  POTUS says he supports Hyde.

The President, constitutional scholar and all, doesn't know the law.  No more Rookies in the White House.  This sucks.

141

Oh, yeah, you betcha. And by the way, the check is in the mail, and I swear to God, I have had a vasectomy, and absolutely, no way, no how, can you get pregnant!

Posted by: mikeyslaw at November 09, 2009 05:28 PM (QMGr1)

And don't forget "I don't love her any more, our marriage has been over for years, I'm going to leave her any day now", "don't worry about that yellow discharge, I saw the doctor and he said it wasn't anything", "What?  Me married?  No!", and "I've never felt like this with anyone else before."  Yup!

Posted by: runningrn at November 09, 2009 05:40 PM (qP2BK)

Oh, crap, rn, you aren't from west texas, are you? Gulp.

142 Those so desperate to have abortions at any cost are going to kill their golden goose.

143

Two tipping points are better than one.  Now we've got Dems arguing amongst themselves about both abortion coverage and public option.  Public option can't pass the Senate unless somebody changes their mind (and I don't think it will be Joe L.), and abortion coverage threatens to trash the thing in the House whether included or not.

 

Things could be worse. 

144

Oh, crap, rn, you aren't from west texas, are you? Gulp.

Heh!  No, I've never been to TX (except maybe to connect in Dallas Ft. Worth airport). 

145 Posted by: Purity Republican at November 09, 2009 05:50 PM (GGgoa)

I'm not a republican.  I'm not a democrat.  I'm not a liberal, God forbid, and I'm not a conservative.  I like buffets, I'm an independent.

146

all the ghey-ass comments about purity are beside the point.  Unless there is actual proof (no matter how scant, but more than speculation) that the loss of Stupak would have doomed the bill, you're engaging in a ciurcular firing squad for no reason.  The REAL purity folks would mercilessly attack any semi-squish (y know, the ones you eminent pragmatists are fellating) in a primary if they failed to vote for it.  That is reality.  The fauiilure of Pelosicare without Stupak, unless you have a whip count, is pure fantasy.

You morons are embracing an oxymoron : extreme pragmatism 

defined as the inability to abide a principled vote when amoral political calculation was possible. 

It's beyond idiotic (beyond parody really) for you all to insist that people stand their ground and die for symbolic pragmatism.

147 Hey, the largest "political party" in America now is Independents, not republicans or dems.

148
I'm not a republican.  I'm not a democrat.  I'm not a liberal, God forbid, and I'm not a conservative.  I like buffets, I'm an independent.

Posted by: curious at November 09, 2009 07:07 PM (p302b)

So you like warmed-over heat-lamped butter-drenched high-fat tasteless goo that will make you regret your choice the next morning?

149 yes, yes I know there is no "Independent party"....but more people identify themselves as Independents cause they don't want any part of any party.  See, they all look the same to me.

150 Posted by: AmishDude at November 09, 2009 07:13 PM (T0NGe)

I didn't know how to describe it.  some buffets are good.  Anyway. Have always not registered for any party.  So big deal you get to vote sometimes in a primary.  I look at each candidate on their merits and who I think will do the best for my area and vote for them.  although in this past election I didn't go with my gut and now I'm sorry.

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154 It appears that the Stupak amendment is pretty close to a killer amendment.

Currently, women can purchase supplemental coverage for abortion services from a private insurer.  Under the House Bill + Stupak, they cannot.  Phillip Klein, writing for the American Spectator, makes the case:

Currently, women are able to purchase private health care plans that cover abortion because it remains a legal procedure and we still have a private market for the sale of health insurance. But if the House Democratic health care bill becomes law, individuals will only be allowed to purchase health insurance through a government-run exchange. And because millions of Americans will be using government subsidies to purchase insurance through the exchange, suddenly lawmakers get to have a say on what kind of private insurance policies individuals can purchase. In addition, the federal government would be directly operating one of the plans, known as the “public option.”


In other words,  women seeking abortions, under the terms of the House bill, would have to pay for abortions out of their own pocket.

155 don't worry, That Mad cow lady on MSNBC said it would be put back into the bill.

Wow, Corker is on Kudlow's show and I have never seen him this worked up.

156 What is Corker worked up about?

157 154 - I disagree with that assessment.  Under Stupak, the public option plan cannot cover abortions and any plan purchased with federal subsidies cannot cover abortions.  That's it.  Unless people are forbidden from purchasing plans that aren't: public plan or subsidized plan, anybody can buy (with their own money) an "abortion coverage" policy.  Might only cost a few bucks a month, maybe not even that much, but nothing in Stupak forbids it - UNLESS the government forbids people on the public option or who use subsidies from buying additional insurance with their own money, which the Stupak amendment doesn't do.

158 157

The way Klein reads it,  all health-care coverage will be purchased through a government-run exchange.  The "Cadillac" plans (those without a government subsidy) will be taxed heavily, pricing them out of the reach of most Americans.  Small businesses would shift their insurance coverage to the subsidized plans, where Stupak would take effect.  No wonder abortions-for-profit like Planned Parenthood hate Stupak.

159 "Stupak," hey, that's German for "stupid," right?

160

 It appears that the Stupak amendment is pretty close to a killer amendment.

 

Impossible! I've been told endlessly that it's a GOP sellout to nationalised healthcare.

161

41 Democrats Sign Letter Stating They Will Not Vote for Conference Bill Containing Stupak Amendment

 

That looks like rather good news, since it kills the bill. Why aren't people praising the amendment?

162 Because there is no guarantee that Stupak will survive reconciliation.  It will most likely be stripped out in committee.  There is no way Obama is going to sign a bill with Stupak in it.  All those women who now have abortion in their health care plans will, if they are forced onto the government option or a government-subsidized option, be forced to pay for their own abortions. 

Or to look at it from another direction, women want to be able to chose a plan with abortion in it.  If they think that they have to chose between ObamaCare and having a health care plan that allows abortions, they'll select against ObamaCare.

163

158 - That's fine, but all the Dems need to do if they truly are "in control" is to allow one exchange plan to offer a supplemental policy - paid for without any government subsidy - to cover abortion at, say, $1 per month premium.  Anybody who wants can buy it, but they can't use a subsidy to do so.  Nothing in Stupak forbids that.

 

The reason the Dems don't want that is because they intend for the government plan to be the only option, without exception for anyone, and Planned Parenthood won't be happy if it doesn't pay for abortions.

164

41 Democrats Sign Letter Stating They Will Not Vote for Conference Bill Containing Stupak Amendment

161. That looks like rather good news, since it kills the bill. Why aren't people praising the amendment?

----------------------------------

Yeah, you're right, Flensy. When it passes in the Senate with Stupak providing cover for Senate Dems, you can say, "Ah, relax, the House Dems said they won't vote for it. Even though they already did."

165 163 -

Who knows what will come out of reconcilliation, but I'd bet that anything that is non-government subsidized will be taxed heavily - and that includes supplementals.  The Dems are going to tear themselves apart on Stupak because Stupak is now the line in the sand.  The UCCB has made it clear that removal of Stupak is non-negotiable.  Every pro-life now has a focus point because of Stupak.  The Blue Dogs Dems are now on the hook  They can pay now or pay later in  Novenber, 2010.  And with the relaxed amendment process in the Senate, the Republicans will have numerous opportunities to make 11-2010 very painful for anyone supporting ObamaCare.

How badly does the Left want health care "reform" to pass?  Would the Left be willing to kill a bill that does not have a "public" option and includes Stupak language in the legislation?

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165 - That's all true (and I agree with all of it).  But if the Dems are truly in charge of the entire process, including impementation of the bill, why couldn't they just heavily tax all supplemental insurance except for abortion coverage?  I don't think pro-lifers would have a problem (at least I wouldn't) if the added coverage plan cost $5 per year (which is all it should cost, probably) as long as the money was paid for by the insured and not by my tax dollars. 

 

PP doesn't want that because they want abortion to be "free" and they are afraid that, even if you have to pay $1 per year extra and sign another form for it, not enough people will sign up for it and PP's business model will suffer.

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Look, who do you think wants government run health care more, pro-choicers or pro-lifers? Since pro-choicers are more left wing, I say it's them.

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1)  What's the big deal with paying for liberals to get abortions?  Personally, I think we should give all liberals abortion-on-demand and five dollars from Crime Stop afterwards.

 

2)  Libscum lie.  Its what they do.  It's who they are.  Anybody else remember the hair-pulling and gnashing of teeth after The Obamunist tricked Hitlery out of their party's nomination?  Remember how many of them SWORE they would never vote for The Obamunist? 

Right.

 

They'll vote for it whether it has the Stupak amendment in it or not.  Period.  Because --

 

3)  There's always the Court System.  Trust me, if abortions are excluded it will take about ten minutes before the libsum have it in Court.  They'll Judge-shop and make sure they get it in front of a libscum Judge who will strike the amendment because it doesn't provide the same opportunity for libscum to murder their own children as private plans do.

 

4)  Too many Republicans are just simply lazy and intellectual cowards.  They get tricked and taken to the cleaners by libscum almost every time because of it.

 

I expct nothing less this time around.

173 Things could be worse.

Has the immigration problem been solved in the House Democratic Caucus?  That's round three of the Dem intraparty civil war on Pelosicare.

In other words,  women seeking abortions, under the terms of the House bill, would have to pay for abortions out of their own pocket.

With Stupak in Pelosicare, the prochoice caucus is under heavy pressure to vote against their signature issue - healthcare.  How are they going to vote for a bill that bans funding for elective abortion if the prochoice caucus believes in the mythology that "reproductive coverage is basic care"?

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